=== ScottLij [n=scott@24-180-196-49.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === darich_ [n=trickyki@78.146.200.190] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Crusher [n=You@ppp121-45-116-219.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-20-34.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === croppa [n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Crusher [n=You@ppp121-45-171-186.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === croppa_ [n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-112-141.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-112-141.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-112-141.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === hjmf [n=hjmf@7.Red-83-44-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === perlsyntax [n=perlsynt@adsl-68-254-164-181.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:16] hey === west [i=west@theunix.info] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:16] hi [03:16] what up [03:16] perlsyntax: where are you trying to 'cd' to? [03:17] yes i am [03:17] *where* [03:17] i try to install kismet by hand. [03:17] i download kismet and put it in my home [03:17] perlsyntax: do you know that kismet is in the repositories? No need to compile [03:17] !info kismet [03:17] kismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2006.04.R1-1.1 (feisty), package size 964 kB, installed size 2448 kB [03:17] and i try to cd it and not anything happons. [03:18] odd i think [03:18] perlsyntax: you know about using APT on ubuntu to install kismet? [03:18] yes i do [03:18] do you not want to for some reason? [03:19] the tar file got more tols that come with it. [03:19] tools [03:19] ok, then tell me the exact commands you are trying and the full output [03:19] tar kismet-2007-R1b.tar.gz [03:19] and it in my home floder when i do that. [03:20] and i try to cd kismet-2007-R1b [03:21] you need to do 'tar xf kismet-2007-R1b.tar.gz' to extract [03:21] really === degrit [n=degrit@host81-208-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:21] 'ullo [03:22] you should be getting errors [03:22] put it in my home floder right? [03:22] sorry for my spelling. [03:22] yes, if that is where the tar.gz is [03:22] hi degrit [03:23] tar: kismet-2007-R1b.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory [03:23] tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now [03:23] odd [03:23] it in my home [03:24] how do you know? === west [i=west@theunix.info] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Leaving"] [03:25] i see it there [03:25] checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc1 [03:25] checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc1 [03:25] checking for gcc... gcc [03:25] checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [03:25] See `config.log' for more details. [03:25] where are you seeing it [03:26] erm, so now you are past the extracting part and you are 'cd' in the directory then? [03:26] i type cd and the ./configure and it get that error. [03:26] !compiling > perlsyntax (see the private message from ubotu) [03:26] perlsyntax: sudo apt-get install build-essential && sudo apt-get build-dep kismet [03:26] what message? [03:27] perlsyntax: there should be a tab with a message from ubotu [03:27] ihow do i get tht message? [03:27] do you see "ubotu" somewhere on the xchat screen (not in the name list) [03:27] yes [03:27] click on it [03:28] ok [03:29] i did [03:29] he gives you detailed information, but my command should get you started [03:30] ok [03:30] i use doing tar zxvf [03:30] that works too [03:30] i try that then === AndyP_ [n=andyp@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust15.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:32] checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc1 [03:32] checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc1 [03:32] checking for gcc... gcc [03:32] checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [03:32] maybe i should go back to fedora. [03:34] perlsyntax: did you do the apt-get command I gave you? [03:35] yes [03:35] it werid i can't untar a file with this. [03:35] if you are running ./configure then you already untarred it [03:35] ok [03:35] pastebin the output of the apt-get command I gave you please [03:36] !pastebin [03:36] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [03:36] actually, just do this and pastebin the output: apt-cache policy build-essential [03:37] when i was on fedora all i did was cd and then ./configure and make and install.it. [03:37] ubuntu does not come with devel tools by default, so you need to install them [03:37] that sucks [03:38] not really, it's one command [03:38] what devel tools do i need to do that? [03:38] actually, just do this and pastebin the output: apt-cache policy build-essential [03:38] i just type that [03:39] yes and then show me what it says [03:40] it will not let me paste it [03:41] just paste it here then [03:41] i trying to do that. [03:41] mmm [03:41] hilight the output, then go to xchat and middle click in the entry field [03:43] i don't see entry field [03:44] the place where you type [03:45] build-essential: [03:45] Installed: (none) [03:45] Candidate: 11.3ubuntu1 [03:45] Version table: [03:45] 11.3ubuntu1 0 [03:45] 500 cdrom://Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Alpha i386 (20070902) gutsy/main Packages [03:45] 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages [03:45] gutsy is still being developed, you should be using a stable release [03:45] ok [03:45] that the prob [03:46] but to install the development tools you need to do this command: sudo apt-get install build-essential && sudo apt-get install build-dep kismet [03:46] you also need to read the page ubotu is about to tell you about: [03:46] !compiling [03:46] Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!) [03:48] ... === degrit [n=degrit@host58-172-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp220-53.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@84.13.126.88] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === neuratix [n=lorents@static149-194.adsl.no] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp220-53.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === croweboy [n=be_direc@c-69-243-189-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === nbkr [n=nbkr@p54AA2159.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [09:40] PriceChild im here [09:41] Hey [09:41] so what's up? === Nighthawk420 [n=nighthaw@74-138-185-56.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [09:41] ok so ill explain what i was doing [09:41] hello all [09:41] lastnight i had a guy trying to help me install Final Fantasy II [09:42] todo so he had me install a program called envy [09:42] for the nvidia drivers needed [09:42] well it ended up not working [09:42] EEEK! it's PriceChild [09:43] to use the envy drivers i had to disable the nvidea accelerated graphics driver in "restricted Drivers" [09:43] but why?! [09:43] but at first i was able to switch back and forth [09:43] restricted drivers does the same as envy does... [09:43] now i cant [09:43] but RD is supported by ubuntu [09:43] i get it was conflicting or something [09:43] with the envy drivers or something [09:44] reason was during the cedega setup the driver would fail === nbkr [n=nbkr@p54AA2159.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [09:44] unless i had the restricted driver disabled [09:44] then it would work [09:44] so now that i cant use cedega becuase ffxi is crap on linux [09:45] So what's the problem now? [09:45] restricted driver manager doesn't work? [09:45] for somereason i cant reenable the restriced driver which is some fault of mine [09:45] what error does it give? [09:45] pretty much [09:45] because you gave me one earlier... [09:45] let me go get it [09:45] then said another.... [09:46] when i try to enable the driver it get this [09:46] E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. [09:46] E: _cache->open() failed, please report. [09:46] ok [09:46] in a terminal run the following [09:46] "sudo dpkg --configure -a" [09:46] without the quotes [09:46] so i go to the terminal and enter dpkg --configure -a [09:46] kk [09:47] i copied that in and hit enter it asked for my password i hit enter and then it went back to chris@pc's name:-$ [09:47] is that right [09:49] ok i think that might have worked [09:49] brb have to restart === croweboy [n=be_direc@c-69-243-189-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [10:06] Price are you here [10:06] Price so i guess im gonna cut my losses sinse the boot is working [10:08] cut losses? [10:08] i was having a driver problem the entenualy lead to me not being able to get into ubuntu [10:08] i didnt something that screwed it up [10:09] i just happened to have to boot options for some reason on my boot screen so i went into the second one [10:09] i've been reading [10:09] and luckily every thing is working in that one [10:10] what caused the problem to start with was [10:11] i was trying to get Final Fantasy II to run on ubuntu [10:11] by useing a program called cedega and envy for the nvidia drivers [10:11] yes, i read all you've said to PriceChild [10:11] ok [10:12] i'm interested in "cutting losses" [10:12] well ,, the "boot" for lack of a beter way to put it that i was useing only takes me to text now [10:12] i dont know what i did [10:13] so i guess im just gonna have to use this one sinse it works [10:13] thus cutt my losses [10:13] and be thankful i didnt complete loose ubuntu or what ever [10:13] btw only been useing linux for a week now [10:13] total noob [10:15] so you do have a graphical ubuntu ? [10:16] yeah some how it was listed twice at the boot screen ,,, im dual booting ubuntu and windows but there were to ubuntu options [10:16] so i went to the second on [10:16] one [10:16] so im asumeing i have it instaled twice or something [10:17] i really have no idea [10:17] ah, you are using an older kernel [10:17] i am ? [10:17] its ubuntu 7.0.4 [10:18] the 'boot options' you speak of are older version of the kernel [10:18] i need to reformat but it took me hours of help to get compiz fusion going and i dont want to loose it [10:18] i c [10:18] it allows you to get into Ubuntu if you've trashed your current setup [10:18] are you familiar with the command line? [10:18] you seem be pretty knowledgeable [10:18] i think thats exactly what i did [10:18] i know a bit about linux [10:19] been using it since 1997 [10:19] anyway i could keep incontact with you [10:19] being im a brand new user and dont know what im doing [10:19] lol [10:19] maybe [10:20] hehe id really appriciate it [10:20] are you familiar with the command line? [10:20] nope [10:20] pity [10:20] only know what other people have been telling me to do [10:20] if you were, you could boot into your most current kernel (the one you screwed up with non official crap) and fix it [10:20] it's an easy fix [10:21] i guess im familiar enough to do what im told [10:21] i didnt realize i was doing non offical stuff [10:22] gah back sorry. [10:23] price my normal one that i log into is total screwed lol [10:23] im in a second one [10:24] it works fine [10:24] nalioth how would i go about fixing the other [10:25] croweboy: got two computers? [10:25] yum yeah a windows one that doesnt have any irc client on it [10:25] do you have yahoo or somehting [10:36] croweboy, free xchat for windows: http://silverex.org/download/ [10:37] kk [10:37] one sec [10:38] have to turn it on === nalioth absolves PriceChild of any wrong doing in mentioning software for windows === PriceChild feels clean [10:48] lol [10:53] ill be back guys === Flannel [n=flannel@76.176.22.229] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === RickH [n=rick@c-68-58-106-180.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [11:38] What's up RickH? [11:39] Questions.... === medfly [n=lio@87.69.235.169] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [11:39] I am wanting to pin the .29 release of 2.6.20-16 [11:39] woah, this channel actually exists [11:39] I assume I add entries to something. But I have no idea what to add. [11:41] here is my problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=541929 [11:43] Flannel: Any ideas? [11:43] RickH: alright, so, we actually don't have to edit anything to do pinning, just pass correct parameters to apt-get [11:44] Flannel: How do we tell it to get a specific version (the .29 instead of .31)? [11:44] First, we're going to go ahead and remove linux-image-generic, since it'll cause problems with depending on .31 [11:44] Flannel: That's the part I don't understand. [11:44] Flannel: Okay. I can do that through synaptic? [11:44] You'll want to (once this is figured out), reinstall linux-generic, to continue updating [11:44] You can. Just remove linux-image-generic (it'll drag linux-generic with it) [11:45] okay, removing [11:45] removed [11:45] The man page we're referencnig is man apt_preferences, in case you want further reading [11:45] okay [11:46] so, what we're going to do is tell apt that we want an older version (2.6.20-16.28) of linux-image-generic [11:46] .29, but yes. [11:47] 29? sure. We're also going to do the same for linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic [11:47] which is the kernel itself [11:47] I believe I had .29 previously. My VMware install is still showing .29, as are the restricted devices [11:48] hmm, we're going to need to do restricted as well. Why don't I see those packages.ubuntu.com? [11:48] Ah, there they are [11:48] They're at the bottom of the backported page [11:48] What is it you're doing right now? [11:48] Are you gathering the correct package names for the versions? [11:49] We're also going to be pinning linux-restricted-modules-generic and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic [11:49] so, four packages to pin in total, all to the same version === medfly [n=lio@87.69.235.169] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Leaving"] [11:49] Are they pinned at 2.6.20-16-generic once we've installed the .29 version? [11:49] er, they'll be pinned to the .29 version [11:49] They currently are 2.6.20-16-generic, just version 31 instead of 29 [11:50] Okay, that's where you lose me. If we don't know the package names with the .29 part, how can we tell it to pin at that version? [11:50] hmm. restricted modules is shown as version .28.1 [11:50] What version of restricted modules do you have currently? [11:50] checking synaptic [11:51] RickH: There's two version numbers in play here. One is part of the package name, the other is the actual version number. Like look here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic [11:51] "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic" and installed version "2.6.20.5-16.29" [11:51] The part in the parenthesis is the real verion number. The other is part of the name of the package [11:51] right, so, I ... don't think we need to revert restricted modules then [11:51] right, it is correct [11:51] but, I would like to have it pinned as well (so it won't break in the future) [11:51] I'm happy with this version of Linux. I want to install various upgrades, just not kernel stuff. [11:52] alright. Well, that sound regression should be fixed sooner or later [11:52] HEY! [11:52] but, I guess unpinning is just reinstalling linux-generic and removing our pins [11:52] When I deleted the 2.6.20-16.31 linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic, now it's showing 2.6.20.15-27 is the current installed version [11:52] Do I need to uninstall that one? [11:53] -15 and -16 [11:53] no [11:53] Don't delete .31 either [11:53] We're keeping the package installed, just lowering it's version number [11:53] okay [11:54] so, for pinning, we're going to be creating /etc/apt/preferences, so go ahead and gksu "gedit /etc/apt/preferences" [11:54] okay [11:54] as root? [11:54] No, the gksu will take care of that [11:55] I get about 40 lines of stuff like this in the command window: [11:55] gedit /etc/apt/preferences [11:55] ALSA lib confmisc.c:391:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings [11:55] not the gedit line, that was in the clipboard by mistake. [11:55] /etc/apt/preferences is up and empty [11:55] Did you use gksu with gedit? [11:56] yes [11:56] ok [11:56] so, we're going to be modelling all of our pinning after the first example in the man page. the one re: perl and 5.8 [11:56] rick@rick-desktop:~$ gksu gedit /etc/apt/preferences [11:56] ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' [11:56] okay [11:56] we need a priority of at least 1000, because that's whats required for version downgrading. [11:57] so, make four copies of those three lines, and we'll modify them accordingly [11:57] okay [11:57] I'm sure there's some nifty way of putting them all on the same, but I don't know it [11:57] done [11:57] no problem. [11:57] if this works I'll be very happy. [11:58] So, for each of them, write the package name (linux-image-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic, etc) [11:58] Package: perl [11:58] Pin: version 5.8* [11:58] Pin-Priority: 1001 [11:58] 4 groups like that [11:58] Yeah. then for Package: change the text [11:58] I didn't see your response. [11:58] What are the other two names? [11:59] linux-restricted-modules-generic and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic [11:59] Ah [11:59] I thought you said we weren't doing those? But this is for pinning (so they won't be changed in the future)? [11:59] It wont hurt [12:00] okay, done [12:00] so, for linux-imgage-version-generic, we want to pin it to version 2.6.20-16.29 [12:00] if 29 is the one you want (I have no idea) [12:01] What's the paste code url? I'll paste what I have [12:01] for both items without version numbers (l-i-g and l-r-m-g) we want version 2.6.20-16.28.1 [12:01] Paste it once you're done, we'll see if yours matches my mental one [12:02] and then for l-r-m-version-g we want version 2.6.20.5-16.29 === Flannel wonders what that .5 is doing in there [12:02] http://www.pastecode.org/124 [12:03] hold [12:03] pasting again [12:03] http://www.pastecode.org/126 [12:03] RickH: not quite. http://www.pastecode.org/125 [12:04] yeah [12:04] I re-read your instructions [12:04] okay, got it. [12:04] I'm getting those versions from packages.ubuntu.com [12:04] Should I use the same versions I currently have installed in Synaptic since they're slightly different? [12:05] Alright, now, If you sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -s upgrade, what do you get? [12:05] 2.6.20.5-16.29 [12:05] Should I use .29 instead of .28-1? [12:05] Thats what we have in your pastebin, isnt it? [12:05] .28.1? [12:05] which package is that for? [12:05] lrm-v-g [12:05] really? [12:05] yes [12:06] I can send you a screen shot [12:06] Nah, I believe you. I don't know. It's up to you, you can always change later [12:06] Ah HA [12:06] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20_2.6.20.5-16.29/changelog [12:06] Theres the changelog [12:07] so, yeah, looks like .5-16.29 is good [12:07] I get this: [12:07] Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) [12:07] Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) [12:07] Reading package lists... Done [12:07] E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. [12:07] Anyway, that thing I just gave you, the update and upgrade with -s, will show you what changes it will make [12:08] We shouldn't have a problem using old indexes [12:08] did you save this file before doing that? [12:08] yes [12:08] rick@rick-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get -s upgrade [12:08] Reading package lists... Done [12:08] Building dependency tree [12:08] Reading state information... Done [12:08] The following packages have been kept back: [12:08] linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic [12:08] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.