[03:16] <perlsyntax> hey
[03:16] <jrib> hi
[03:16] <perlsyntax> what up
[03:16] <jrib> perlsyntax: where are you trying to 'cd' to?
[03:17] <perlsyntax> yes i am
[03:17] <jrib> *where*
[03:17] <perlsyntax> i try to install kismet by hand.
[03:17] <perlsyntax> i download kismet and put it in my home
[03:17] <jrib> perlsyntax: do you know that kismet is in the repositories?  No need to compile
[03:17] <jrib> !info kismet
[03:17] <ubotu> kismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2006.04.R1-1.1 (feisty), package size 964 kB, installed size 2448 kB
[03:17] <perlsyntax> and i try to cd it and not anything happons.
[03:18] <perlsyntax> odd i think
[03:18] <jrib> perlsyntax: you know about using APT on ubuntu to install kismet?
[03:18] <perlsyntax> yes i do
[03:18] <jrib> do you not want to for some reason?
[03:19] <perlsyntax> the tar file got more tols that come with it.
[03:19] <perlsyntax> tools
[03:19] <jrib> ok, then tell me the exact commands you are trying and the full output
[03:19] <perlsyntax> tar kismet-2007-R1b.tar.gz
[03:19] <perlsyntax> and it in my home floder when i do that.
[03:20] <perlsyntax> and i try to cd kismet-2007-R1b
[03:21] <jrib> you need to do 'tar xf kismet-2007-R1b.tar.gz' to extract
[03:21] <perlsyntax> really
[03:21] <degrit> 'ullo
[03:22] <jrib> you should be getting errors
[03:22] <perlsyntax> put it in my home floder right?
[03:22] <perlsyntax> sorry for my spelling.
[03:22] <jrib> yes, if that is where the tar.gz is
[03:22] <jrib> hi degrit
[03:23] <perlsyntax> tar: kismet-2007-R1b.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[03:23] <perlsyntax> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[03:23] <perlsyntax> odd
[03:23] <perlsyntax> it in my home
[03:24] <jrib> how do you know?
[03:25] <perlsyntax> i see it there
[03:25] <perlsyntax> checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc1
[03:25] <perlsyntax> checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc1
[03:25] <perlsyntax> checking for gcc... gcc
[03:25] <perlsyntax> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:25] <perlsyntax> See `config.log' for more details.
[03:25] <jrib> where are you seeing it
[03:26] <jrib> erm, so now you are past the extracting part and you are 'cd' in the directory then?
[03:26] <perlsyntax> i type cd and the ./configure and it get that error.
[03:26] <jrib> !compiling > perlsyntax (see the private message from ubotu)
[03:26] <jrib> perlsyntax: sudo apt-get install build-essential && sudo apt-get build-dep kismet
[03:26] <perlsyntax> what message?
[03:27] <jrib> perlsyntax: there should be a tab with a message from ubotu
[03:27] <perlsyntax> ihow do i get tht message?
[03:27] <jrib> do you see "ubotu" somewhere on the xchat screen (not in the name list)
[03:27] <perlsyntax> yes
[03:27] <jrib> click on it
[03:28] <perlsyntax> ok
[03:29] <perlsyntax> i did
[03:29] <jrib> he gives you detailed information, but my command should get you started
[03:30] <perlsyntax> ok
[03:30] <perlsyntax> i use doing tar zxvf
[03:30] <jrib> that works too
[03:30] <perlsyntax> i try that then
[03:32] <perlsyntax> checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc1
[03:32] <perlsyntax> checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc1
[03:32] <perlsyntax> checking for gcc... gcc
[03:32] <perlsyntax> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:32] <perlsyntax> maybe i should go back to fedora.
[03:34] <jrib> perlsyntax: did you do the apt-get command I gave you?
[03:35] <perlsyntax> yes
[03:35] <perlsyntax> it werid i can't untar a file with this.
[03:35] <jrib> if you are running ./configure then you already untarred it
[03:35] <perlsyntax> ok
[03:35] <jrib> pastebin the output of the apt-get command I gave you please
[03:36] <jrib> !pastebin
[03:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:36] <jrib> actually, just do this and pastebin the output: apt-cache policy build-essential
[03:37] <perlsyntax> when  i was on fedora all i did was cd and then ./configure and make and install.it.
[03:37] <jrib> ubuntu does not come with devel tools by default, so you need to install them
[03:37] <perlsyntax> that sucks
[03:38] <jrib> not really, it's one command
[03:38] <perlsyntax> what devel tools do i need to do that?
[03:38] <jrib> actually, just do this and pastebin the output: apt-cache policy build-essential
[03:38] <perlsyntax> i just type that
[03:39] <jrib> yes and then show me what it says
[03:40] <perlsyntax> it will not let me paste it
[03:41] <jrib> just paste it here then
[03:41] <perlsyntax> i trying to do that.
[03:41] <perlsyntax> mmm
[03:41] <jrib> hilight the output, then go to xchat and middle click in the entry field
[03:43] <perlsyntax> i don't see entry field
[03:44] <jrib> the place where you type
[03:45] <perlsyntax> build-essential:
[03:45] <perlsyntax>   Installed: (none)
[03:45] <perlsyntax>   Candidate: 11.3ubuntu1
[03:45] <perlsyntax>   Version table:
[03:45] <perlsyntax>      11.3ubuntu1 0
[03:45] <perlsyntax>         500 cdrom://Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Alpha i386 (20070902) gutsy/main Packages
[03:45] <perlsyntax>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[03:45] <jrib> gutsy is still being developed, you should be using a stable release
[03:45] <perlsyntax> ok
[03:45] <perlsyntax> that the prob
[03:46] <jrib> but to install the development tools you need to do this command: sudo apt-get install build-essential && sudo apt-get install build-dep kismet
[03:46] <jrib> you also need to read the page ubotu is about to tell you about:
[03:46] <jrib> !compiling
[03:46] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:48] <jrib> ...
[09:40] <croweboy> PriceChild im here
[09:41] <PriceChild> Hey
[09:41] <PriceChild> so what's up?
[09:41] <croweboy> ok  so ill explain what i was doing
[09:41] <Nighthawk420> hello all
[09:41] <croweboy> lastnight i had a guy trying to help me install Final Fantasy II
[09:42] <croweboy> todo so he had me install a program called envy
[09:42] <croweboy> for the nvidia drivers needed
[09:42] <croweboy> well it ended up not working
[09:42] <nalioth> EEEK! it's PriceChild
[09:43] <croweboy> to use the envy drivers i had to disable the nvidea accelerated graphics driver in "restricted Drivers"
[09:43] <PriceChild> but why?!
[09:43] <croweboy> but at first i was able to switch back and forth
[09:43] <PriceChild> restricted drivers does the same as envy does...
[09:43] <croweboy> now i cant
[09:43] <PriceChild> but RD is supported by ubuntu
[09:43] <croweboy> i get it was conflicting or something
[09:43] <croweboy> with the envy drivers or something
[09:44] <croweboy> reason was during the cedega setup the driver would fail
[09:44] <croweboy> unless i had the restricted driver disabled
[09:44] <croweboy> then it would work
[09:44] <croweboy> so now that i cant use cedega becuase ffxi is crap on linux
[09:45] <PriceChild> So what's the problem now?
[09:45] <PriceChild> restricted driver manager doesn't work?
[09:45] <croweboy> for somereason i cant reenable the restriced driver which is some fault of mine
[09:45] <PriceChild> what error does it give?
[09:45] <croweboy> pretty much
[09:45] <PriceChild> because you gave me one earlier...
[09:45] <croweboy> let me go get it
[09:45] <PriceChild> then said another....
[09:46] <croweboy> when i try to enable the driver it get this
[09:46] <croweboy> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[09:46] <croweboy> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[09:46] <PriceChild> ok
[09:46] <PriceChild> in a terminal run the following
[09:46] <PriceChild> "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[09:46] <PriceChild> without the quotes
[09:46] <croweboy> so i go to the terminal and enter dpkg --configure -a
[09:46] <croweboy> kk
[09:47] <croweboy> i copied that in and hit enter it asked for my password i hit enter and then it went back to chris@pc's name:-$
[09:47] <croweboy> is that right
[09:49] <croweboy> ok i think that might have worked
[09:49] <croweboy> brb have to restart
[10:06] <croweboy> Price are you here
[10:06] <croweboy> Price so i guess im gonna cut my losses sinse the boot is working
[10:08] <nalioth> cut losses?
[10:08] <croweboy>  i was having a driver problem the entenualy lead to me not being able to get into ubuntu
[10:08] <croweboy> i didnt something that screwed it up
[10:09] <croweboy> i just happened to have to boot options for some reason on my boot screen so i went into the second one
[10:09] <nalioth> i've been reading
[10:09] <croweboy> and luckily every thing is working in that one
[10:10] <croweboy> what caused the problem to start with was
[10:11] <croweboy> i was trying to get Final Fantasy II to run on ubuntu
[10:11] <croweboy> by useing a program called cedega and envy for the nvidia drivers
[10:11] <nalioth> yes, i read all you've said to PriceChild
[10:11] <croweboy> ok
[10:12] <nalioth> i'm interested in "cutting losses"
[10:12] <croweboy> well ,, the "boot" for lack of a beter way to put it that i was useing only takes me to text now
[10:12] <croweboy> i dont know what i did
[10:13] <croweboy> so i guess im just gonna have to use this one sinse it works
[10:13] <croweboy> thus cutt my losses
[10:13] <croweboy> and be thankful i didnt complete loose ubuntu or what ever
[10:13] <croweboy> btw only been useing linux for a week now
[10:13] <croweboy> total noob
[10:15] <nalioth> so you do have a graphical ubuntu ?
[10:16] <croweboy> yeah some how it was listed twice at the boot screen ,,, im dual booting ubuntu and windows but there were to ubuntu options
[10:16] <croweboy> so i went to the second on
[10:16] <croweboy> one
[10:16] <croweboy> so im asumeing i have it instaled twice or something
[10:17] <croweboy> i really have no idea
[10:17] <nalioth> ah, you are using an older kernel
[10:17] <croweboy> i am ?
[10:17] <croweboy> its ubuntu 7.0.4
[10:18] <nalioth> the 'boot options' you speak of are older version of the kernel
[10:18] <croweboy> i need to reformat but it took me hours of help to get compiz fusion going and i dont want to loose it
[10:18] <croweboy> i c
[10:18] <nalioth> it allows you to get into Ubuntu if you've trashed your current setup
[10:18] <nalioth> are you familiar with the command line?
[10:18] <croweboy> you seem be pretty knowledgeable
[10:18] <croweboy> i think thats exactly what i did
[10:18] <nalioth> i know a bit about linux
[10:19] <nalioth> been using it since 1997
[10:19] <croweboy> anyway i could keep incontact with you
[10:19] <croweboy> being im a brand new user and dont know what im doing
[10:19] <croweboy> lol
[10:19] <nalioth> maybe
[10:20] <croweboy> hehe id really appriciate it
[10:20] <nalioth> are you familiar with the command line?
[10:20] <croweboy> nope
[10:20] <nalioth> pity
[10:20] <croweboy> only know what other people have been telling me to do
[10:20] <nalioth> if you were, you could boot into your most current kernel (the one you screwed up with non official crap) and fix it
[10:20] <nalioth> it's an easy fix
[10:21] <croweboy> i guess im familiar enough to do what im told
[10:21] <croweboy> i didnt realize i was doing non offical stuff
[10:22] <PriceChild> gah back sorry.
[10:23] <croweboy> price my normal one that i log into is total screwed lol
[10:23] <croweboy> im in a second one
[10:24] <croweboy> it works fine
[10:24] <croweboy> nalioth how would i go about fixing the other
[10:25] <nalioth> croweboy: got two computers?
[10:25] <croweboy> yum yeah a windows one that doesnt have any irc client on it
[10:25] <croweboy> do you have yahoo or somehting
[10:36] <PriceChild> croweboy, free xchat for windows: http://silverex.org/download/
[10:37] <croweboy> kk
[10:37] <croweboy> one sec
[10:38] <croweboy> have to turn it on
[10:48] <croweboy> lol
[10:53] <croweboy> ill be back guys
[11:38] <Flannel> What's up RickH?
[11:39] <RickH> Questions....
[11:39] <RickH> I am wanting to pin the .29 release of 2.6.20-16
[11:39] <medfly> woah, this channel actually exists
[11:39] <RickH> I assume I add entries to something.  But I have no idea what to add.
[11:41] <RickH> here is my problem:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=541929
[11:43] <RickH> Flannel:  Any ideas?
[11:43] <Flannel> RickH: alright, so, we actually don't have to edit anything to do pinning, just pass correct parameters to apt-get
[11:44] <RickH> Flannel:  How do we tell it to get a specific version (the .29 instead of .31)?
[11:44] <Flannel> First, we're going to go ahead and remove linux-image-generic, since it'll cause problems with depending on .31
[11:44] <RickH> Flannel:  That's the part I don't understand.
[11:44] <RickH> Flannel:  Okay.  I can do that through synaptic?
[11:44] <Flannel> You'll want to (once this is figured out), reinstall linux-generic, to continue updating
[11:44] <Flannel> You can.  Just remove linux-image-generic (it'll drag linux-generic with it)
[11:45] <RickH> okay, removing
[11:45] <RickH> removed
[11:45] <Flannel> The man page we're referencnig is man apt_preferences, in case you want further reading
[11:45] <RickH> okay
[11:46] <Flannel> so, what we're going to do is tell apt that we want an older version (2.6.20-16.28) of linux-image-generic
[11:46] <RickH> .29, but yes.
[11:47] <Flannel> 29? sure.  We're also going to do the same for linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic
[11:47] <Flannel> which is the kernel itself
[11:47] <RickH> I believe I had .29 previously.  My VMware install is still showing .29, as are the restricted devices
[11:48] <Flannel> hmm, we're going to need to do restricted as well.  Why don't I see those packages.ubuntu.com?
[11:48] <Flannel> Ah, there they are
[11:48] <RickH> They're at the bottom of the backported page
[11:48] <RickH> What is it you're doing right now?
[11:48] <RickH> Are you gathering the correct package names for the versions?
[11:49] <Flannel> We're also going to be pinning linux-restricted-modules-generic and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic
[11:49] <Flannel> so, four packages to pin in total, all to the same version
[11:49] <RickH> Are they pinned at 2.6.20-16-generic once we've installed the .29 version?
[11:49] <Flannel> er, they'll be pinned to the .29 version
[11:49] <Flannel> They currently are 2.6.20-16-generic, just version 31 instead of 29
[11:50] <RickH> Okay, that's where you lose me.  If we don't know the package names with the .29 part, how can we tell it to pin at that version?
[11:50] <Flannel> hmm.  restricted modules is shown as version .28.1
[11:50] <Flannel> What version of restricted modules do you have currently?
[11:50] <RickH> checking synaptic
[11:51] <Flannel> RickH: There's two version numbers in play here.  One is part of the package name, the other is the actual version number.  Like look here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic
[11:51] <RickH> "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic" and installed version "2.6.20.5-16.29"
[11:51] <Flannel> The part in the parenthesis is the real verion number.  The other is part of the name of the package
[11:51] <Flannel> right, so, I ... don't think we need to revert restricted modules then
[11:51] <RickH> right, it is correct
[11:51] <RickH> but, I would like to have it pinned as well (so it won't break in the future)
[11:51] <RickH> I'm happy with this version of Linux.  I want to install various upgrades, just not kernel stuff.
[11:52] <Flannel> alright.  Well, that sound regression should be fixed sooner or later
[11:52] <RickH> HEY!
[11:52] <Flannel> but, I guess unpinning is just reinstalling linux-generic and removing our pins
[11:52] <RickH> When I deleted the 2.6.20-16.31 linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic, now it's showing 2.6.20.15-27 is the current installed version
[11:52] <RickH> Do I need to uninstall that one?
[11:53] <Flannel> -15 and -16
[11:53] <Flannel> no
[11:53] <Flannel> Don't delete .31 either
[11:53] <Flannel> We're keeping the package installed, just lowering it's version number
[11:53] <RickH> okay
[11:54] <Flannel> so, for pinning, we're going to be creating /etc/apt/preferences, so go ahead and gksu "gedit /etc/apt/preferences"
[11:54] <RickH> okay
[11:54] <RickH> as root?
[11:54] <Flannel> No, the gksu will take care of that
[11:55] <RickH> I get about 40 lines of stuff like this in the command window:
[11:55] <RickH> gedit /etc/apt/preferences
[11:55] <RickH> ALSA lib confmisc.c:391:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings
[11:55] <RickH> not the gedit line, that was in the clipboard by mistake.
[11:55] <RickH> /etc/apt/preferences is up and empty
[11:55] <Flannel> Did you use gksu with gedit?
[11:56] <RickH> yes
[11:56] <Flannel> ok
[11:56] <Flannel> so, we're going to be modelling all of our pinning after the first example in the man page.  the one re: perl and 5.8
[11:56] <RickH> rick@rick-desktop:~$ gksu gedit /etc/apt/preferences
[11:56] <RickH> ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0'
[11:56] <RickH> okay
[11:56] <Flannel> we need a priority of at least 1000, because that's whats required for version downgrading.
[11:57] <Flannel> so, make four copies of those three lines, and we'll modify them accordingly
[11:57] <RickH> okay
[11:57] <Flannel> I'm sure there's some nifty way of putting them all on the same, but I don't know it
[11:57] <RickH> done
[11:57] <RickH> no problem.
[11:57] <RickH> if this works I'll be very happy.
[11:58] <Flannel> So, for each of them, write the package name (linux-image-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic, etc)
[11:58] <RickH> Package: perl
[11:58] <RickH> Pin: version 5.8*
[11:58] <RickH> Pin-Priority: 1001
[11:58] <RickH> 4 groups like that
[11:58] <Flannel> Yeah.  then for Package: change the text
[11:58] <RickH> I didn't see your response.
[11:58] <RickH> What are the other two names?
[11:59] <Flannel> linux-restricted-modules-generic and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic
[11:59] <RickH> Ah
[11:59] <RickH> I thought you said we weren't doing those?  But this is for pinning (so they won't be changed in the future)?
[11:59] <Flannel> It wont hurt
[12:00] <RickH> okay, done
[12:00] <Flannel> so, for linux-imgage-version-generic, we want to pin it to version 2.6.20-16.29
[12:00] <Flannel> if 29 is the one you want (I have no idea)
[12:01] <RickH> What's the paste code url?  I'll paste what I have
[12:01] <Flannel> for both items without version numbers (l-i-g and l-r-m-g) we want version 2.6.20-16.28.1
[12:01] <Flannel> Paste it once you're done, we'll see if yours matches my mental one
[12:02] <Flannel> and then for l-r-m-version-g we want version 2.6.20.5-16.29
[12:02] <RickH> http://www.pastecode.org/124
[12:03] <RickH> hold
[12:03] <RickH> pasting again
[12:03] <RickH> http://www.pastecode.org/126
[12:03] <Flannel> RickH: not quite.  http://www.pastecode.org/125
[12:04] <Flannel> yeah
[12:04] <RickH> I re-read your instructions
[12:04] <RickH> okay, got it.
[12:04] <Flannel> I'm getting those versions from packages.ubuntu.com
[12:04] <RickH> Should I use the same versions I currently have installed in Synaptic since they're slightly different?
[12:05] <Flannel> Alright, now, If you sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -s upgrade, what do you get?
[12:05] <RickH> 2.6.20.5-16.29
[12:05] <RickH> Should I use .29 instead of .28-1?
[12:05] <Flannel> Thats what we have in your pastebin, isnt it?
[12:05] <RickH> .28.1?
[12:05] <Flannel> which package is that for?
[12:05] <RickH> lrm-v-g
[12:05] <Flannel> really?
[12:05] <RickH> yes
[12:06] <RickH> I can send you a screen shot
[12:06] <Flannel> Nah, I believe you.  I don't know.  It's up to you, you can always change later
[12:06] <Flannel> Ah HA
[12:06] <Flannel> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20_2.6.20.5-16.29/changelog
[12:06] <Flannel> Theres the changelog
[12:07] <Flannel> so, yeah, looks like .5-16.29 is good
[12:07] <RickH> I get this:
[12:07] <RickH> Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[12:07] <RickH> Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[12:07] <RickH> Reading package lists... Done
[12:07] <RickH> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[12:07] <Flannel> Anyway, that thing I just gave you, the update and upgrade with -s, will show you what changes it will make
[12:08] <Flannel> We shouldn't have a problem using old indexes
[12:08] <Flannel> did you save this file before doing that?
[12:08] <RickH> yes
[12:08] <RickH> rick@rick-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get -s upgrade
[12:08] <RickH> Reading package lists... Done
[12:08] <RickH> Building dependency tree
[12:08] <RickH> Reading state information... Done
[12:08] <RickH> The following packages have been kept back:
[12:08] <RickH>   linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[12:08] <RickH> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.