=== Crisps [n=simon@cpe-76-187-70-72.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] which channel do I need for application development on ubuntu? [12:35] Depends on what language and libraries you use. [12:36] For instance, if youre using Gtk, look for the Gtk channel. [12:36] looking at GUI based stuff, in C++ [12:36] there's nothing really ubuntu-specific unless you're doing something with packaging, or system configuration [12:36] I really don't know a great deal about the x/gnome/kde interfaces. all my exp is on win32 [12:37] Anybody aware of LVM's pvmove being broken in 2.6.22 and whether it was patched? === Crisps [n=simon@cpe-76-187-70-72.tx.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] hey, where are some of the artwork team members? === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === funman [n=fun@AToulouse-158-1-69-157.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] hi [12:52] i'm looking for crimsun === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:59] do you know which time he has ? (GMT+?) [12:59] funman, you could track down his launchpad or forums profile... [01:01] he sorry i don't use these === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-109-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@collinsap1.phunnypharm.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rnorwood [n=rnorwood@adsl-074-167-242-127.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amitk [n=amit@a91-154-119-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@tetkyo044180.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [n=carl@c-76-29-25-210.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigon_ [n=bigon@70.246-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigon__ [n=bigon@70.246-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ChapStick [n=Burl@AC867C84.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8694.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ChapStick [n=Burl@AC867C84.ipt.aol.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === stub [n=stub@tetkyo044180.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kenro [n=kenro@64.241.37.140] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] Heavy question, in and out of topic: Is it possible to combine the best of text RPG (MUSH) and the best of graphical MMORPG into one *nix-based suite? [05:17] .... [05:17] dude, #ubuntu-offtopic === RAOF waves to Hobbsee [05:18] hiya RAOF [05:19] heya Hobbsee === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:19] hello === RAOF watches the hello avalanche gain momentum. [05:20] hi Chipzz [05:20] Hey ajmitch [05:20] hi ajmitch [05:20] Hello Hobbsee [05:20] Hello ajmitch [05:20] hello RAOF [05:20] Heya Chipzz [05:20] Hi ScottK :) [05:20] Happy now? [05:20] kenro: dude, beside the fact that that question really is off-topic, what even makes you think you're going to get an answer here (ie anyone at all plays let alone develops these kind of games)? [05:21] hi ScottK :) [05:22] kenro: Yes. [05:22] Chipzz: Know a #ubuntu-hackers or #ubuntu-grapics_developers? Hell, I'll even take a #ubuntu-games_developers. === ScottK believes lots of things that aren't true however. [05:23] kenro: http://www.projectdarkstar.com/ [05:23] ScottK: heh :) [05:23] I think that was a satisfactory greeting avalanche, yes. [05:24] ok, really baffled that anyone knew an answer to that (IntuitiveNipple) :) [05:24] er, how can i tell why a package was installed? [05:24] RAOF: I don't know anyone who'd play those games, do you? :) [05:25] Hobbsee: look at reverse dependencies/suggest/recommends with grep-dctrl? [05:25] Chipzz: was looking thru them, but i cant get higher than x11-common [05:25] grep-status even [05:25] ajmitch: No, not really ;) [05:25] Hobbsee: but I'm sure you knew that ;) [05:26] Hobbsee: One option is to try and remove it and then see what apt wants to take with it. [05:26] ScottK: that won't work for recommends/suggests ? [05:27] ScottK: oh, good poing [05:27] er, point [05:27] or if the package is in the seeds (which I assume it's not in this case) [05:27] that still doesnt help - it now wants to remove a heck of a lot of stuff [05:27] it's not in the seeds, i checked that :) [05:27] oh, it looks like everything X based depends on it [05:28] Hobbsee: you probably would have known if it was anyway I assume ;) [05:28] that's enough for me to answer the question :) [05:28] Chipzz: well, i thought so, but some of the X stuff was named confusingly, so... [05:29] Hobbsee: yeah, the X packages are a twisty maze I guess :) [05:29] IntuitiveNipple: I refuse to truncate your nick. I don't nip. But thanks for the url. [05:29] and the packages having had different names over the course of the years also doesn't help (xfree/xorg etc) [05:29] lol [05:30] kenro: I've been experimenting with a 'virtual world' source-code and package explorer using it [05:33] Hobbsee: oh btw, I have been playing with writing a program which visualizes dependencies etc in a graph quite some time ago [05:34] Chipzz: cool :) [05:34] Hobbsee: gave up on it due it being impractical due to the sheer amount of packages installed by default though, which makes the graph too complucated [05:34] Hobbsee: I can throw the source code your way if you want to look (and if I find it)? [05:34] Hobbsee: written in pygtk though ;P [05:34] heh, nah, i'll be right [05:34] I wrote something similar a while back, but using Google Earth to model it [05:35] i can read rdepends mostly [05:35] ScottK: I... sorta half-believe about David Icke's Illuminati terrorists/social engineers... I tink ocaml might be a good graphics base for this thing. [05:35] IntuitiveNipple: how do you handle laying out the packages? [05:36] base packages closer to the ground; higher level at increasing altitudes, with paths drawn between dependencies [05:37] <\sh> gnarf...can anybody reproduce some segfaults with firefox when going in p.u.c and scrolling down via mouse wheel? [05:37] IntuitiveNipple: yeah, but doesn't that still leave you with the problem of finding suitable x/y coordinates? [05:38] Chipzz: I played around with that... I assigned the various package categories to different countries [05:38] There's all sorts of messing about you can do at the level to position them on the surface === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:40] IntuitiveNipple: that does waste an awefull lot of perfectly well oceans though ;) [05:40] s/well/good/ [05:40] there's no cities in the oceans to act as anchors for the various packages though :) [05:40] sure there is! atlantis :) [05:41] You could do anything in that sense, but I was enjoying myself.... and I found it becoming quite intuitive to visualise the dependencies [05:41] One day I might finish it and put it online :) [05:42] 64-bit Gutsy certainly flies compared to 32-bit - I just got Google Earth installed on tribe-5, but been building packages and it's at least 40% faster === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:46] good morning cjwatson === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:04] Anyone having problems pushing to bazaar.launchpad.net? Have I missed a downtime announcement? [06:04] sbalneav: LP died a little while ago, and one of the sysadmins is uncontactable... might be a little while. [06:04] ah, ok [06:05] Just wanted to make sure it wasn't me. [06:05] morning [06:05] s/one/both/ [06:05] Morning fabbione [06:05] Hey fabbione. [06:06] mpt: Who's the other? mthaddon? [06:06] yes [06:07] greetings sbalneav, fabbione [06:07] Hey hobsee. [06:08] err, Hobbsee [06:09] heh === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === topster [n=gal@CPE0001ffff0001-CM00111ae2fb32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === topster [n=gal@CPE0001ffff0001-CM00111ae2fb32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:14] <\sh> re === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-150-140.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@tetkyo044180.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jgoss [n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-32-118.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dejv_ntb [n=david@ip4-83-240-15-146.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ant30 [n=aperezar@19.Red-80-59-20.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat|loin [n=mat@home.virgule.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Trewas [i=ilonen@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ng [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] Greetings everybody! [08:53] greetings, excessive cross-poster! [08:54] hi desrt === mvo [n=egon@p54A67360.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-68-188.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F772A3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] good morning [09:18] hi dholbach! [09:18] hey mdke [09:19] dholbach: how are you? [09:19] mdke: quite well - how are you? [09:19] dholbach: good thanks. [09:19] dholbach: would you mind doing an ubuntu-docs upload soonish? [09:20] mdke: I have a bunch of other things to do atm, but I set it on my todo list [09:20] dholbach: great, not super urgent [09:20] ok super [09:20] dholbach: the other question I wanted to ask - I saw the gnome-docs upload went through, did you need to do something else to make it build? [09:21] mdke: no - it seems to work nicely just like that [09:21] dholbach: hmm. I got a build error back from LP about dpkg being the wrong version, did you see that? === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-19-49.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] mdke: uh - no; maybe that was a one-time error due to something else? [09:23] dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36147/ was the error [09:23] mdke: ok, we should fix that - can you add that pre-depends? [09:23] mdke: looks like a warning to me - did the build stop then? [09:24] dholbach: that was everything in the email, it says rejected [09:24] ok [09:24] then we should fix that [09:24] but I saw the upload on the changes mailing list, which is why I thought perhaps you'd done it again [09:24] no, I did not [09:24] I was too busy to see that happened [09:24] ok, perhaps the changes mailing list carries rejected uploads too? [09:25] I think it was accepted on the buildd, but then failed to build [09:25] ok [09:26] I'm not very confident with adding something like that with a version number, but if you tell me what it should look like I'll do it [09:26] Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.10.24) [09:27] ok [09:28] I'll do another upload of that later on as well [09:28] at some stage it'd be nice if the doc team made use of the sponsoringprocess [09:28] that way you're not blocked on me, but anybody can do uploads for you [09:28] dholbach: ok. I'm sorry to chase you about it all the time [09:29] no no, no problem [09:29] I just thought it might be better, if you weren't blocked on me [09:29] right now the packages are in a good enough shape so that anybody can take care of them [09:30] ok. Sometimes I bug Laserjock too :) [09:30] alright, I've made the change and pushed it up to lp [09:30] rock [09:30] thanks for the help [09:30] anytime :) === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Company [n=Company@e176124198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] Fetch failure: git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-feisty.git <- it's normal ? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jgoss [n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@138.131.206.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@83-131-18-57.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@138.131.206.211] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@138.131.206.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rulus [n=rulus_|@7.139-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] can somebody move ubuntu-dev-tools out of NEW? [10:25] dholbach: having a look [10:26] seb128: you ROCK :) === dholbach hugs seb128 === seb128 hugs dholbach ;) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] 404main, weird name ;) === dholbach is not author of that one :) [10:32] dholbach: looks good, you just forgot to list Canonical to the list of copyright holders [10:33] dholbach: I will accept it now, would be nice to fix it in bzr though [10:33] I'll do that [10:33] thanks [10:33] I want to add a tool to upload to PPA and automatically mark/tag bugs soon anyway [10:33] (once the new pylpbugs is up and I managed to do a bunch of other things) === Spads_ [n=spacehob@host-87-74-19-4.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] isn't uploading to ppa just a matter to change the dput config? [10:34] yes [10:35] but I'd like to just run revuput my-ppa to let the tool automatically run debuild, upload and make sure to add a comment, etc to the bug that is mentioned in (LP #xxx) [10:35] (all according to SponsorshipProcess) [10:35] maybe even file bugs at some stage [10:36] it's just a shame we only have the mail interface for filing bugs atm [10:36] thanks a lot again seb128 [10:36] you're welcome [10:37] speaking about Process [10:37] do we have a script for uvf exception requests? [10:37] no, not yet [10:37] but I agree, we should have one [10:37] it'd be nice [10:37] do you think the idea I outlined does make sense? [10:38] yes [10:38] good :) === dholbach hugs super-seb128 === seb128 hugs super-dholbach [10:39] ;-) [10:43] Mithrandir: tribe 6 posting to u-d-a needing approval === tom4324847 [n=chatzill@host86-133-110-255.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tom4324847 [n=chatzill@host86-133-110-255.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:44] Riddell: approved [10:45] Mithrandir: Can I beg you for a sync without filing a bug or waving a UVFe around? :-) [10:45] Mithrandir: (There are no Ubuntu changes) [10:46] StevenK: what package? [10:46] Mithrandir: kbuild [10:59] StevenK: Any particular reason why you haven't uploaded virtualbox yet? === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] soren: Because it doesn't build, and requires the new kbuild to do so anyway. === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F772A3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1cc2:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] StevenK: Ah. I must have misinterpreted your "If you guys want to see build logs and such, happy to attach them" remark :) [11:07] StevenK: I naively assumed that those build logs would show *succesful* builds :) [11:08] That'll teach me not to make assumptions. [11:08] soren: I filed the bug before I tried to build it. I added the adduser dependancy, filed the bug, and then tried to test build it. [11:09] soren: I also naively assumed that since it built for Debian it would build for us, too. :-) [11:09] Mithrandir: Oh, do you have a sec for a dorky archive question? === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] StevenK: sure [11:12] Mithrandir: Why is napi in supported? [11:13] Er, nabi, sorry === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.61.126] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] nabi | nabi | Gutsy supported seed | Changwoo Ryu | 428378 | 1008 [11:14] no idea _why_ it's in the supported seed, though [11:14] It was added to supported during hoary's development. [11:15] And is at the moment in DEPWAIT due to a library it wants that isn't in main. [11:15] Hrm. Two Mithrandir's. Neat. [11:17] StevenK: nabi looks like something Koreans want. Any particular reason why it wouldn't be in main? [11:17] IIRC we have another few packages in main that are there to enable some sort of exotic input methods? [11:19] Hrm. Fair enough. === StevenK will look at patching together a MIR === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-32-118.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tfheen [n=tfheen@aine.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] StevenK: kbuild is only used by VirtualBox. Do you see any reason why we shouldn't uvfe it? [11:24] soren: [18:46] < StevenK> Mithrandir: Can I beg you for a sync without filing a bug or [11:24] waving a UVFe around? :-) [11:24] I'm handling it, I assure you. [11:24] Oh. :) [11:25] StevenK: I'll scurry off and try to make myself useful again then :) [11:25] Mithrandir hasn't answered me yet, though. *hint* :-) [11:27] soren, StevenK: I would like to sync the new pigment and elisa from Debian for the cool effect (the current versions we have are really outdated, it was not available previous cycle so no regression, etc), could I get an approval without spending work on filling bugs, attaching logs, etc? ;) === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F772A3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] seb128: well, I'd probably sync and review together if I ended up approving SK's request. [11:28] StevenK: I need to finish writing this mail and poke a look at it, then I can give you an answer. [11:28] seb128: It's ok with me. === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-6.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] seb128: My rationale is so I can get virtualbox into Gutsy. And according to soren, virtualbox is the only thing that uses kbuild. So they are two very different situations. [11:30] Mithrandir: FWIW I'm giving a very enthusiastic +1 on the kbuild uvfe. [11:30] StevenK: you want to speak to Mithrandir I think ;) [11:31] Mithrandir: ^ [11:31] seb128: Sure, but I wanted to tell you that I'm not just doing it on a whim. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] mjg59, have a look at bug 48212, would it make sense to have dhcp3-server by default in the config ? [11:32] Launchpad bug 48212 in ltsp "ltsp's dhcpd fails after server is hibernated" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48212 [11:34] StevenK: so that's ok from you for the uvf exception? ;) === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@dhcp-131-114-3-79.di.unipi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] Hi all === torkel [n=torkel@dhcp46-52.hpc2n.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] I don't know if this is the right place to discuss this [11:38] Le-Chuck_ITA: "this" being? [11:38] well [11:38] we have apprenticeships at university here [11:38] and I might be involved in the organization of some of them [11:38] I was thinking about giving some LP blueprint [11:38] as topic [11:39] the student has to implement a simple software project [11:39] good ;) [11:39] the problem is we would need mentoring from inside ubuntu [11:39] and a final short relation discussing the merits of the student [11:39] mentoring would be useful to ensure that, if the blueprint is implemented right [11:40] it makes into ubuntu soon [11:40] and the final relation is used to grade the student === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] the former is just to attract students [11:40] but the latter is very important [11:45] Le-Chuck_ITA: Hmm... That sounds like quite a bit of work to commit to just like that :) Maybe you could post to the mailing list and provide a bit more detail of what (and how much) would be expected from Ubuntu? [11:46] OMG WTF if you write `LIBC_' anywhere in the template for the libc postinst it sedderies it to `libc6_'. === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F772A3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] that would be the next step, I was here just to understand if such a thing would be possible [11:46] what do you mean with "quite a bit of work"? [11:46] of course mentoring would be done at university too [11:47] in the end, we have a student working for a couple of months === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] and we only need two persons to periodically check that progress is in the right direction [11:48] one here and one there :) [11:48] Le-Chuck_ITA: Oh, I see. === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] Le-Chuck_ITA: Still, a post to the mailing list with that bit of information and a rough schedule would be good. It's easier to get the right people (the ones who have the power to commit a bit of man power to this) into to loop that way. [11:50] that's fine [11:50] what mailing list do you suggest? [11:50] ubuntu-devel-discuss, I think. [11:51] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-devel-discuss [11:51] ok, thanks === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@dhcp-131-114-3-79.di.unipi.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@dhcp-131-114-3-79.di.unipi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] oh [11:51] sorry I still have to learn not to close IRC windows :) [11:51] in gaim, I mean, where I use to close them all the time === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] bye and thanks === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@dhcp-131-114-3-79.di.unipi.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] stgraber: https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/network-manager/ubuntu.0.6.x.dev.opennet ... should bring the ultimate healing :) [11:58] (of course only in combination with https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/intellinuxwireless/ipw3945.asac) [11:58] StevenK,soren: you've tested the new version with virtualbox? === ivoks [n=ivoks@36-150.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] hrm, why does my backlight switch back to dark every now and then? [12:12] dholbach: because your machine is idle? [12:12] Mithrandir: can you please give-back xmms-crossfade on lpia. Thanks. [12:12] dholbach: I get that, and sometimes it then goes back to being bright again (even if the machine isn't idle, but I think g-p-m and idleness are broken atm in gutsy) [12:13] Mithrandir: please give back djplay on sparc and amd64 [12:13] e.g. my g-p-m settings say to sleep if idle for 15 minutes, but it does it after 5 as per #135813) [12:14] Adri2000,geser : given back [12:14] Company: my machine is not running on battery [12:14] Ng: ok [12:14] my macbook ponly goes idle when on battery [12:14] when _not_ on battery [12:14] for bonus points, my machine now suspends when I pull the AC [12:15] Mithrandir: thanks [12:15] I have that every now and then too :-/ [12:15] Ng: does it come back when you plug the ac back in? ;) [12:15] Company: no ;) [12:15] I've not filed a bug about that yet though, because I wanted to make sure it was always happening, but it is :( [12:16] luckily g-p-m lists events in its graphs [12:16] so you can check if it's g-p-m's fault or not === simira [n=simira@aine.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dexem [n=dani@222.Red-88-23-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] Mithrandir: virtualbox won't build with the old kbuild. [12:27] StevenK: well, I approved and did the sync, so. :-) [12:27] Mithrandir: Heh, thanks. :-) [12:28] Now to see if virtualbox runs, now I have it building on both amd64 and i386. [12:28] shiny [12:28] Hopefully, this will make the tribe6 release notes. === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-79f915f8758c624a] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK will make one more change if it works, in that it requires the newer kbuild. [12:31] By rights, the Debian boffin in charge of this thing should do the same. === vprints [n=vprints@213-35-238-21-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] Woot! It runs. [12:34] Now to see if boots a VM [12:34] if it, even === StevenK points jigdo at his local mirror, and waits a few minutes. === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a53e:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] Mithrandir: What would say to a virtualbox-modules package that Build-Depends on virtualbox-source, linux-headers-2.6.22-* and built modules for -386/-generic for i386 and amd64? [12:39] Hold on a second, surely Debian has already done the work for this ... [12:40] StevenK: sounds like something that could well be part of linux-ubuntu-modules? [12:41] That sounds like a better idea. [12:44] Mithrandir: Except that linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 is in main. === StevenK makes a backport of kbuild to feisty so he can install and build the module. [12:46] StevenK: so, are you ok with the elisa uvf exception? [12:46] seb128: I didn't know that was a serious question, sorry. [12:47] StevenK: what do you think that was? ;) === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] I need 2 motu-uvf members approval ;) [12:47] seb128: A jab about what I asked Mithrandir? :-) [12:47] ahhhh [12:47] seb128: Is there a bug? [12:48] no, I asked soren and you because I want to sync it and I don't want to spend an hour doing diffstats, etc [12:48] no, that was the reason I asked on IRC, going faster [12:48] as said we didn't ship it before so there is no regression and the current version is really outdated [12:48] seb128: Okay, that's fine. Rationale and main differences? [12:49] Ah, that answers the rationale bit. [12:49] nothing uses pidgment out of elisa [12:49] so that's basically updating a new application [12:49] which will make users and upstream happier [12:49] seb128: Okay, +1, go ahead [12:50] thanks [12:50] seb128: Sorry for the misunderstanding [12:50] that's alright ;) [12:50] Come on kbuild, build quicker. [12:50] who gives approval for new universe packages? [12:50] bug #136972 [12:50] Launchpad bug 136972 in libcairo-perl "autopkgtest gutsy libcairo-perl: erroneous package!" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136972 [12:51] motu-uvf, I guess [12:51] seb128: now? MOTU-UVF as well [12:51] libcairo-perl Build-Depends on libtest-number-delta-perl [12:51] can we sync it to fix the FTBFS? ;) === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] seb128: It sounds fine to me, it's impact looks to be minimal [12:52] thanks [12:53] soren: ok for you? ;) === rulus [n=rulus_|@7.139-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@193.12.106.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.47.76.228.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] soren, Mithrandir: virtualbox uploading === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@80.251.192.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_ [n=mpt@121-72-130-6.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvolt1ge [n=highvolt@dsl-243-6-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-32-118.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] seb128: Huh? [01:13] seb128: If it's kbuild, sure. [01:16] Mithrandir: Can I sweet talk you into pushing virtualbox through NEW? :-) === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] soren: [01:27] libcairo-perl Build-Depends on libtest-number-delta-perl [01:27] can we sync it to fix the FTBFS? ;) [01:28] soren: libcairo-perl has been synced on Debian but libtest-number-delta-perl is not available in Ubuntu yet [01:30] StevenK: preferably not, I'm in the middle of something a bit urgent. [01:32] Maybe I'll sweet talk seb128. :-) [01:33] StevenK: is that something easy to review? ;) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] seb128: Sure. === phanatic [n=phanatic@3e70d9e7.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] seb128: Hopefully. It passed Debian's NEW for main, so there shouldn't be anything to drastic in it [01:44] k === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pedro [n=pedro@pc-88-220-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@host-82-135-29-2.customer.m-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigon [n=bigon@11.239-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sits [n=sits@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust739.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@3e70d9e7.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira is now known as agoliveira_brb === deadwill [n=deadwill@146037.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] StevenK: virtualbox accepted to universe [02:23] seb128: Yay, thanks === Demitar [n=demitar@PC96-180.oru.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sits fails to get network manager doing dhcp going on an out of the box Gutsy install === agoliveira_brb is now known as agoliveira === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] iwj: could you teach autopkgtest to not file duplicates? [02:32] bug #127986 [02:32] Launchpad bug 127986 in libelf "gutsy/amd64: ftbfs / autopkgtest failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127986 [02:32] bug #128022 [02:32] Launchpad bug 128022 in libelf "gutsy/amd64: ftbfs / autopkgtest failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128022 === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] seb128: it's supposed to. === iwj looks. [02:35] bug #136986 also [02:35] Launchpad bug 136986 in libelf "autopkgtest gutsy libelf: erroneous package! (dup-of: 127986)" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136986 [02:35] Launchpad bug 127986 in libelf "gutsy/amd64: ftbfs / autopkgtest failure" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127986 [02:35] I've just dupped those === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-32-118.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] Bear with me, and it's probably not worth doing much about it yourself since if it's doing this lots I should fix them all up in batch mode. [02:37] doesn't look like it's doing that a lot [02:37] I only spotted those [02:38] OIC those bug reports are the ones I forwarded manually. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] I'm afraid it can't see those when it looks for duplicates. [02:39] ok, so we should keep the new one and close the ones you filed manually as dups? [02:40] Yes. I'll do that. [02:40] in fact you sent many bugs twice [02:40] Yes. [02:41] It was getting so I couldn't remember which were dupes and I didn't have any useful record. [02:41] That's why I automated it. But sorry about the stuff from before. [02:41] that's alright [02:41] http://tinyurl.com/2t57hz has a list of autopkgtest sorted by product if you want [02:41] it's easy to spot duplicates from it [02:41] if somebody wants to clean those ;) === LongPointyStick pokes around [02:43] Yes, that should be fixed up. Also the others should be milestoned. [02:43] I'll take care of it. [02:43] Thanks and sorry to cause you extra work. [02:44] no problem ;) === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] mako: CC meeting? [03:01] mdke: are you getting e-mailed about all my kubuntu-members ppa uploads? === hjmf [n=hjmf@7.Red-83-44-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] seb128: Could I also sweet-talk you into promoting libhangul, as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLibhangul ? [03:06] infinity: Ping, once more with feeling. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] StevenK: done [03:13] seb128: Thanks [03:13] you're welcome === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@dsl-207-112-50-64.tor.primus.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-32-118.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyP_ [n=andyp@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust15.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] Hrm. virtualbox doesn't appear in P-a-s. [03:34] asac: I'm at school, I'll sync and test it a bit later [03:34] stgraber: thanks. === Company [n=Company@e176108100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rulus [n=rulus_|@7.139-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@36-150.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigon_ [n=bigon@231.167-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tseliot [n=tseliot@host105-248-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] Riddell: does kpdf uses poppler in gutsy? === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.10.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] Is there an (unofficial) freeze ? What do people think of the idea of me uploading libc with the ldconfig wrapper which arranges to run ldconfig just once, using dpkg triggers ? [03:55] iwj: only if you also do the fonts + fc-cache ;) [03:56] iwj: I don't think there is any freeze official or not at the moment, no real opinion about the trigger, I would say better to do it now than later [03:57] ++ [03:57] we wont have a freeze afaik [03:57] That was my feeling (or I wouldn't have asked, really). [03:57] but should solve milestone bugs [03:58] It's a nice small diff and I'm reasonably confident about it provide I wasn't told lies about ldconfig ... [03:58] (and i guess the dailies should stay somewhat useable, since they were pointed to in the announcement) [03:58] Right, as you say. [03:59] I don't think this will break the dailies. === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F74E18.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] seb128: not currently, it didn't work with the old version we have, now we have a 0.6 beta I can try and port the poppler patch again [04:01] iwj: there's no freeze, just try to fix more than you break [04:02] Riddell: ok, I was wondering because there was a bug that looked a poppler issue where the submitter wrote that kpdf works correctly [04:02] seb128: so it probably is a poppler issue in that case [04:02] right [04:03] thanks [04:03] seb128: did you test the gtk flash initialisation patch? [04:03] Riddell: with opera yes [04:04] seb128: did it work? [04:04] yes [04:04] seb128: excellent, is it uploaded? [04:04] and acroread starts again also [04:04] ooh, bonus [04:04] yes, I did upload on friday afternoon [04:04] seb128: great, I'll try kdebase with our gtk patch removed then [04:05] Riddell: Right. I was thinking I might clean up some of the easier autopkgtest ftbfs's. === haggai [n=halls@213.165.247.114] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D8038.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-159-249.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr_ [n=j@blk-224-159-249.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sits [n=sits@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust739.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-d65.87-197-183.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] Um.... I've got pkg-create-dbgsym installed in my sbuild chroot, and the build logs shows that they're created, but they don't end up in my $cwd.. 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