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LaserJockafternoon MOTU Land!01:10
ajmitchhello LaserJock01:11
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nixternalhiya LaserJock and ajmitch01:12
ajmitchuh oh01:12
ajmitchLaserJock: good to see some more behind motu posts01:13
nixternalthey just showed what they are doing in Sydney for the summit coming up...that is insane01:13
nixternalyes, we need more behind * stuff...it is interesting...we also need to see pics in those articles...01:13
ajmitch'the summit'?01:14
nixternalya, something about bush and others meeting in Sydney01:14
LaserJocknixternal: I did get work area/screenshot01:14
nixternalyup, I like that :)01:14
LaserJockI should try to get hackergotchis too I suppose01:14
ajmitchdefinitely01:15
nixternalor at least pics of who the person looks like01:15
ajmitchwhich means that you definitely won't get me interviewed :)01:15
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nixternalhaha, I like that quit message01:15
LaserJockajmitch: I think I might have something that'll do somewhere ;-)01:15
nixternalzenrox: nice quite message :)01:15
ajmitchLaserJock: all lies01:16
LaserJockso, giving KDE another spin today01:16
zenroxlike that01:16
LaserJockI'm getting kinda tired of all the bugs in Feisty though (not specific to KDE)01:16
LaserJockI might have to do a fresh install or something01:17
LaserJockfor some reason I stopped being able to logout in Gnome a week or so ago01:19
LaserJockand it seems that my wifi doesn't come back up after resuming01:19
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LaserJocknixternal: does KDE have any applet/tool that reads /proc/acpi temps?01:36
nixternalquite a few01:36
nixternalthe best is Kima, it is a kicker applet that shows anything that can be monitored01:36
nixternaland for a big app, similar to the old motherboard monitor is KSensors01:37
LaserJockKsensors doesn't work for me01:37
LaserJockI just need a little kicker applet01:37
nixternalwith ksensors you need lm_sensors, that's why that doesn't work01:41
LaserJockyeah01:41
LaserJockjust installed kima01:42
LaserJockvery nice01:42
LaserJockwhy don't we have it in the repos?01:42
nixternalhttp://www.nixternal.com/tmp/I_DONT_RUN_VISTA.png01:42
nixternalkima is in the repos01:42
nixternalsee my kima running on the bottom01:42
nixternalnot for feisty maybe01:42
nixternal!info kima01:42
ubotuPackage kima does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas01:42
nixternal!info kima gutsy01:42
ubotukima: kicker monitoring applet. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.3.2-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 114 kB, installed size 448 kB01:42
LaserJockah, excellent01:43
nixternalyou gotta install yakuake as well :)01:43
nixternalno other terminal like it..however 1 note if you are really used to gnome terminal...you can just click on links in it and have it open up in a browser..the closes you can get is to enable klipper to recognize links and provide you with an option to open one01:44
nixternalthe next release of yakuake will have it though01:45
LaserJocknixternal: how did you get it to do temp in C instead of F01:46
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nixternalI never set my locale to imperial (US)01:47
nixternalKMenu -> System Settings -> Regional & Language01:47
nixternalunder Country/Region & Language, the other tab has a measure system drop down, I have mine as "Metric"01:48
jmgso how is kde looking for gutsy? i havent tested it01:48
nixternalbesides KDEPIM being quite broken, it isn't to bad01:48
nixternalwe went back to our roots, and went blue again :)01:49
jmgwhen is kdepim not broken?01:49
LaserJocknixternal: you mean, not purple?01:49
nixternaltrue01:49
nixternalno more purple in gutsy01:49
xtknightsay i have something like this.  http://rafb.net/p/F6tCYz12.html   the newer version in debian just fixes that one thing.  instead of "backporting" that to a 0ubuntu1 version, can't/shouldn't we sync dfsg-2 of libvorbis from debian?01:49
LaserJocknixternal: bah, why does KDE/QT have to look so darn ugly :-)01:50
nixternalmake it look the way you want01:50
LaserJockI can't seem to01:50
nixternalI enjoy the plastik theme..the default KDE theme..I don't need all that shiny and flashy crap01:50
jmgLaserJock: because your face reflects in the screen01:51
nixternalKMenu -> System Settings -> Appearance01:51
LaserJockjmg: hehe, must be01:51
nixternaljmg: hahahahah, pwnd!01:51
nixternalthat was good01:51
LaserJockjmg: but I don't have a glossy screen ;-)01:51
nixternalnext time someone says "this DE is ugly" I will get um with that :)01:51
LaserJockis there a way to compact it all01:52
jmgLaserJock: because your face is so horrible you have ptsd and your brain actively redacts your viewport to remove it01:52
LaserJockeverything's just too big01:52
nixternallike the kicker?01:52
LaserJocklike windows, controls, etc.01:52
jmg:)01:52
nixternalhaha, I was gonna be an ass and say "just run your mouse over a border, click and drag it to the size you want" :p01:53
LaserJockseems like I've got to scroll windows quite a bit01:53
nixternaldon't know how the windows look to big...mine are fine01:53
nixternalwhat resolution are you using?01:53
LaserJock1024x768 I think01:54
nixternalya, they say KDE is for 1024x768, but I think they are wrong...I know what you are talking about01:54
nixternalthere is a way to shrink stuff down, but I am not positive on how that is...you know the best person to ask about tweaking the look, is Jucato01:55
nixternalhe freakin' knows all of the little kde tweaks01:55
LaserJockmy gosh, you guys seriously need to get ahold of your menus ;-)01:56
nixternalhuh?01:56
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LaserJockthey're a mess01:56
nixternalwhat is wrong with the menus?01:56
nixternalmine are beautiful01:57
LaserJockmine take up the whole screen01:57
LaserJockare really unorganized01:57
LaserJockand "More Applications"?01:57
nixternalI am running at 1280x800 and I don't have that problem at all01:57
LaserJockwho wants to go through all that01:57
nixternalwhat is More Applications?01:58
jmgi see emerald sort of works01:58
nixternaloh, the bottom of the menu stuff...ya01:58
nixternalLaserJock: why use menus anyways? every thing that is in your menus can be accessed with katapult01:58
LaserJocknixternal: in some of the submenus they have a "More Appplications" submenu01:58
nixternalalt+space and then start typing the app you want to open01:58
LaserJockcause I don't know what I'm looking for01:59
nixternalhehe01:59
nixternalya, I never understood that "More Applications" thing01:59
nixternalespecially when there is like one app in it at times01:59
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nixternalLaserJock: go into #kubuntu-devel and just rip on kde...see what mhb and daskreach say :)02:01
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ryanakcawwhat would the licence for http://weitz.de/regex-coach/ be?02:38
ScottKryanakca: It could go in mulitverse02:39
ryanakcaScottK: okies02:40
ScottKDue to the no commercial redistrbution clause in the license.02:40
ryanakcaand in debian/copyright, I just paste his license blurb?02:40
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ScottKYes02:41
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geserit can't even go to multiverse as it's not redistributable02:43
geserryanakca: ^^02:44
ScottKgeser: It is.02:45
ScottKWait.  Reads again.02:45
geserthe small license blurb doesn't say it02:45
geserAll Rights Reserved even02:45
ScottKRight.02:45
ScottKryanakca: Geser's right.02:45
geserryanakca: visual-regexp seems to be similar to this tool and is already in the archive02:49
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ryanakcageser: ok, thanks :)03:34
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RAOFDoes anyone think I'd get anywhere with the texmacs devs complaining about their horrible, horrible, homebrew ui?  I want a gtk2 texmacs, damnit!05:11
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TheMuso5~5~/c06:52
TheMusough06:52
RAOFWow, it's growing :)06:54
RAOFHey TheMuso :)06:54
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TheMusoRAOF: heh07:05
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\shre07:14
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asisakGood morning09:14
\shmoins09:14
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dholbachgood morning09:16
=== RAOF cleans some xserver-xgl bugs.
Hobbseemorning dholbach09:17
dholbachhey Hobbsee09:17
=== \sh fixed backstep just now....
superm1\sh, what was wrong with backstep?09:19
\shsuperm1, it can't find the pkg configs for xdamage xcomposite etc....but the deps are there...so I set RENDER_CFLAGS and RENDER_LIBS so it can compile cleanly...seeing that the pkg call for gtk is right and shows all needed libs, i think that's the best workaround right now09:20
superm1\sh, oh you probably mean for lpia then right?09:20
\shsuperm1, nope...ubuntu...09:21
\shsuperm1, http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/28/drip_0.9.0-4ubuntu1_gutsy32.buildlog09:21
\shaegl09:21
\shhttp://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/28/backstep_0.3-0ubuntu2_gutsy32.buildlog09:21
\shthat's the right one09:21
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superm1ah09:22
superm1yea i see looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backstep/0.3-0ubuntu2, it wasn't ever rebuilt for gutsy on any arch except the failed lpia09:22
jmgbackstep?09:22
asisak!info backstep gutsy | jmg09:23
ubotujmg: backstep: Draws icons for minimized windows on your desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 28 kB, installed size 120 kB09:23
\shsuperm1, I'm filing a bug with the debdiff...so it can be uploaded later on09:23
jmgstrange program09:24
superm1\sh, can you subscribe me on the bug, i'll build/test it in the near future09:24
superm1jmg, it was quite useful when using Xgl, devilspie, and an extra window manager running above Xgl09:24
jmg:)09:25
\shsuperm1, you lp name?09:25
superm1\sh, 'superm1' :)09:26
\sh*g*09:26
\shah LP is a bit bitchy today09:26
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superm1okay bed for me for a bit, nn.  thx \sh09:26
\shsuperm1, subscribed you and u-u-s09:27
asisakI can also take care of things while superm1 is sleeping :)09:27
=== jmg wonders why the devilspie author would name a release "Wearing that dress"
RAOFI seem to remember a build of emacs with xfont support.  Is there some good reason our emacs22 packages don't seem to have it?09:37
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asisak\sh: should I upload your fix? Or better wait for superm1?09:41
\shasisak, well, upload it...if it's not working correctly (what I don't think) I'll fix it anyways :)09:42
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asisakSeems to be an ugly & working hack.09:46
\shasisak, correct..but works :)09:59
asisakSure :)09:59
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\shasisak, we have to have look (for hardy e.g.) to fix libxcomposite and friends to play with pkgconfig nicely09:59
asisakMaybe it would be better to fix it for gutsy as well.10:00
\shasisak, when you build this package, you can see that it catches all libs correctly for gtk pkg-config...but not for composite and friends10:00
asisakSo that we can handle possible bugfixes10:00
\shasisak, tbh..I think it's more an issue with backstep handling this pkgconfig stuff...when you read the configure.in it's also an ugly hack somehow...I'm not a pkgconfig pro...so it's just a feeling10:02
asisakYeah, I had the same feeling. Therefore I suggested to fix pkgconfig once and not hack packages many times ...10:03
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\shif someone has time: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dumputils/+bug/136949 ready for upload ;)10:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136949 in dumputils "[FTBFS]  dumputils" [Undecided,New] 10:24
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\shmoins ogra10:27
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ograhey hey10:27
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asisak\sh: don't you consider to become a MOTU again?10:30
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\shasisak, well, I don't think nobody will cheer for me this time...;)10:31
asisakYou think that nobody would or you don't think that anybody would? :)10:32
\shasisak, tbh, I need to become a member first, and that's one of the problems...10:32
asisak\sh: no. Not any more.10:33
asisakYou can mail the MOTU council and apply for a MOTUship10:33
\shwithout becoming a member?10:33
asisak(that involves membership as well)10:33
=== asisak has become a(n implicit) member this way.
\shasisak, let's see...after october ;)10:33
=== asisak would certainly cheer.
=== asisak has uploaded your dumputils fix.
\shasisak, if you be so kind: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dvr/+bug/136951 ;)10:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136951 in dvr "[FTBFS]  dvr" [Undecided,New] 10:36
asisakOkay. In fact I have to do a lot of things, but I can dget && pbuilder && dpkg inbetween. So feel free to bug me with FTBFS bugs.10:37
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\shasisak, well, I subscribe u-u-s all the time...so ;)10:42
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asisakBut sure, it is The Right Thing (TM)10:43
asisakhmm... dvr segfaults if there is no video device10:45
\shif it's building, that is more then ok now ;) I can't test dvr, too :(10:45
asisak\sh: does it work (well) for you?10:45
asisakOh. Okay. It is building for sure. Let their users do the testing. Uploading...10:46
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\shasisak, thx10:55
asisak\sh: np :)10:55
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Q-FUNKdholbach: for planner, I see that the older gda is still available in main, so why disable support for it?11:29
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dholbachQ-FUNK: we'll drop it from main, if it's still there11:31
TheMusodholbach: I see you didn't get around to uploading gnome-speech yet. Mind doing so? http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/gnome-speech11:32
dholbachsorry, you should have asked in #ubuntu-desktop or something11:32
StevenKTheMuso, dholbach: I can do so in about an hour if you wish11:32
dholbachno need to be blocked on me11:32
dholbachTheMuso: will do so11:32
TheMusook11:32
=== TheMuso shoudl read up on he desktop team process for stuff like that. :)
dholbachTheMuso: no, just ask anybody in #ubuntu-de{vel,sktop} to sponsor11:34
dholbachor use the normal sponsoring workflow11:34
dholbachbut I'm doing it now :)11:34
TheMusook11:34
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dholbachTheMuso: done11:37
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TheMusodholbach: Thanks, and sorry for the bother.11:41
dholbachno, no need to worry :)11:41
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\shif someone is interested in sponsoring one upload for ftbfs fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gbdfed/+bug/136968 :) if not, u-u-s is subscribed11:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136968 in gbdfed "[FTBFS]  gbdfed" [Undecided,New] 11:59
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asisak\sh: gbdfed uploaded12:13
\shasisak, thx :)12:16
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norsettog'day all12:22
=== asisak waves to norsetto
norsettoasisak: morning ex-coNP :-)12:23
geserHi norsetto12:25
norsettogeser: hi!12:25
norsettoI have to confess a big sin ... I moved to kubuntu ;-)12:26
asisaknorsetto: is it for real?12:26
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norsettoasisak: yeah ... still trying to get used to it though12:26
\shI wonder how debians QA is working12:28
\shtest -z "/usr/share/pixmaps" || mkdir -p -- "/build/user/gfpoken-0.29/debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps"12:28
\sh /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 './png/gfpoken.png' '/build/user/gfpoken-0.29/debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps/gfpoken.png'12:28
\sh/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `./png/gfpoken.png': No such file or directory12:28
\shand it's really not in the orig.tar.gz12:28
asisakisn't that in some uuencoded file?12:29
asisak.diff.gz cannot contain any binary files IIRC12:29
\shasisak, nope12:29
\shasisak, it's not in debian/ dir as well...so it disappeared somehow...12:29
norsettothe best for me so far was this package where the guy added an icon and desktop file and only forgot to install them. So after a while and a bug report a new version was out, with the desktop file. And he still forgot the icon :-)12:32
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\shah it's fixed already in debian...I file a sync report ;)12:35
\shwhen LP is responding again12:35
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norsettoLP seems to be there for me?12:36
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\shgrmpf...problem on my firefox side...12:37
\sh(sync) bug 136974 and (upload) bug 136973 :) thx12:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136974 in gfpoken "[FTBFS]  gfpoken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13697412:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136973 in gdpc "[FTBFS]  gdpc" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13697312:38
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asisakcd debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps \12:51
asisak                && pngtopnm gfpoken.png | ppmtoxpm -name icon > gfpoken.xpm12:51
asisakpngtopnm: gfpoken.png - No such file or directory12:51
asisakppmtoxpm: EOF / read error reading magic number12:51
asisakmake: *** [install-stamp]  Error 112:51
asisakpbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package12:51
asisak\sh: ^^^12:51
asisakthat is sudo pbuilder the gfpoken_0.30-1.dsc [on gutsy] 12:52
asisakgotta go for now, be back later in the afternoon12:52
\shasisak, argl...it should be fixed by this bug report12:52
\shok...I'll fix it manually...grmpf12:53
\shdoes anybody know what the replacement header of awe_voice.h is?12:54
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\shlol...the xpm is not even in the diff.gz of debian ;)01:00
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whiteajmitch: regarding #435936, i got someone from the testing-security team who wants to nmu it, but i wanted to ask you first01:06
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whiteam I right, when I assume that wine would probably not be running medieval war2?01:17
norsettowhite: did you check the wine db?01:18
whiteyes01:19
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RAOFHm.  So it seems xserver-xgl is more crackful than I thought. :(01:36
RAOFbug #13696201:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136962 in xserver-xgl "Session file left after uninstall breaks X" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13696201:37
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\shok..gfpoken fixed01:39
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RAOFSo, my plan here is to install the session file into /usr/share/xserver-xgl, and add a prerm & postinst to copy/remove it to the appropriate place.01:45
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NafalloScottK: ping SPF02:12
NafalloScottK: sent mail02:16
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deadwillmornin' all02:18
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RAOFHey, anyone here using the fglrx drivers?02:35
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RAOFAnd if so, can you tell me whether they install a file into /etc/X11/Xsession.d, and what it contains?02:36
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deadwillRAOF, better to ask on #ubuntu02:39
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RAOFLongPointyStick: Howdie.  You don't happen to use fglrx? :)02:42
ograRAOF, i do ... no trace of fglrx in /etc/X11/Xsession.d02:43
ogra(gutsy)02:43
RAOFGah.02:43
RAOFXgl is not quite as happy as I'd hoped :/02:44
LongPointyStickRAOF: nope. intel card02:44
zulhey LongPointyStick02:44
LongPointyStickhi zul02:45
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deadwillLongPointyStick, new nick?02:49
LongPointyStickdeadwill: this is my alternate nick.02:50
deadwillah02:50
zuli swear to god i get more done at home then work02:50
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zul!uvf | zul02:52
zul!uvf02:52
ubotuuvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d602:52
ograzul, do you have an idea about bug 134865 ?02:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134865 in ltsp "segfaults on ltsp in xen dom0" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13486502:54
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zulogra, no idea since there is nothing really in the bug report to go by, however then is a re-synced xen kernel coming soon02:55
ograzul, x11-common fails with a segfault ... (but works fine on normal systems it seems)02:56
zulweird still no idea02:56
zulmaybe you need libc6-xen02:56
ograhmm02:56
ograthe host system should have that ... do you need it in chroots ?02:57
zulnope02:57
ogra(ltsp-build-client is building a chroot with debootstrap and then chroots into that system and installs x etc)02:58
zulif they can get a a trace of whats going on that would be helpful02:58
ograi'll try to get some info02:58
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RAOFOk.  I'll fix Xgl tomorrow!03:06
StevenKRAOF: Did you see the shiny shiny crack that I uploaded a little while ago?03:07
sorendendrobates: /win 403:08
sorenffs...03:08
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norsettohttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=197 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=200 are up for review (they are simple updates).03:23
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norsettois there any debian/ubuntu archive where one can find packages from 2004 (warty/sarge)?03:30
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jribold-releases.ubuntu.com should have warty03:30
fernando_moin all03:31
jribnorsetto:03:31
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norsettojrib: exactly what I needed, thx03:33
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jeromegHobbsee: can I bother you two seconds ? I need a second ACK for my UVF04:09
Hobbseejeromeg: not at the moment, sorry04:10
jeromegHobbsee: can I give you the bug number so you can have a look another day ?04:10
Hobbseeis it in the queue?04:10
jeromegI'm starting high school tomorrow and wont be available04:10
jeromegHobbsee: yep04:10
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jeromegHobbsee: motu-uvf are suscribed and ScottK gave one ACK04:11
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Hobbseecool04:13
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jeromegHobbsee: so I don't have to do anything else ?04:14
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Hobbseecorrect04:15
norsettodholbach: ping?04:16
dholbachnorsetto: in the CC meeting atm - can you drop me a mail or ask in PM?04:17
dholbachI'll get back to you04:17
jeromegHobbsee: great, thx04:17
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ryanakcadch -e -i     should update the changelog?04:18
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eagles0513875Hobbsee: hey04:19
Hobbseehi...04:20
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\shhmm...any gtk people out there, who can tell me what this is all about? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36185/04:36
xtknight\sh, just looks like an error in someone's configure file to me04:37
geser\sh: can you pastebin line 22087 +/- some lines from configure?04:38
\shgeser, hmm...need to build it in a chroot then....not pbuilder...04:38
geserI guess some parts from configure.in didn't get translated and ended verbatim in configure04:38
\shgeser, I had to rebuild the autofoo crap...can it be, that it needs a higher gtk-doc version? e.g. GTK_DOC(1.x where x > 4) or something?04:40
geserthat should only fail the check but not produce a syntax error04:41
\shwhat gives autofoo the GTK_DOC macro? gtk-doc-tools?04:42
geserI'd guess gtk-doc-tools04:42
\shhmmm....04:43
\shroot@LT420:/usr/share# find . -type f -exec grep -H "GTK_DOC" {} \;04:43
\sh./doc/gtk-doc-tools/setting-up.txt:       GTK_DOC_CHECK(1.0)04:43
geserwhich package are you trying to fix?04:44
\shgpredict04:45
\shI need to remove the G*_DISABLE_DEPRECATED defines from Makefile.am and need to rebuild complete autofoo04:45
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\shgeser, and the error comes from goocanvas inside gpredict04:48
geser\sh: why not simply patching Makefile.in (and Makefile.am in case someone else needs to rebuild Makefile.in) and don't bother with regenerating the whole stuff?04:48
geser\sh: looking on lucas' build log, it seems removeing GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED from src/Makefile.{am,in} should be enough04:50
\shgeser, I did...called autoreconf but the configure error comes from goocanvas which has it's own configure stuff...which I didn't touch04:50
\shand configure.in of goocanvas says: GTK_DOC(1.4) which failes in configure (not rebuilded by me)04:51
\shoh what wonder04:52
\shbuild-dep on gtk-doc-tools and it compiles ,)04:52
sorenStevenK: Have you tried building virtualbox on an amd64 system?04:52
\shgeser: fixed, thanks for your help :)04:53
StevenKsoren: Yes04:53
StevenKsoren: It built on both i386 and amd64 before I uploaded it.04:53
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sorenStevenK: Odd.. It ftbfs on my amd64.04:54
StevenKsoren: Using my source?04:54
sorenStevenK: No, the Debian one. I fetched it before you uploaded it.04:55
sorenI though you just added an adduser dependency.04:55
soren?04:55
StevenKsoren: Nope, I had to do more.04:55
sorenStevenK: Ah, yes, now I see.04:56
sorenStevenK: Ok, yes, that looks like something that would fix it :)04:56
geser\sh: I only needed to remove the GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED lines from src/Makefile.{am,in} to get it build (no need to run autoreconf)04:56
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geser\sh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36189/ is all I changed (+ changelog and maintainer change)04:58
\shgeser, ah you changed it manually ;)04:58
\shgeser, I wonder if we have today a rule how to deal with autofoo crap (rebuidling during build-time, or patching *.{in,am} files), i prefer the first I mentioned05:00
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StevenKsoren: I honestly don't see how the Debian maintainer managed to build it in a clean chroot, which makes me think he didn't.05:02
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\shwtf? I just see, that my window decoration is gone05:03
sorenStevenK: Yeah.. I've always thought binary uploads are a bad idea.05:03
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geser\sh: if the change is small I prefer to do it manually. This avoids problems with autoreconf, keeps the delta small and is easier to merge later05:17
geser\sh: as I've a fixed gpredict ready should I upload it now?05:17
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\shgeser, ok with me...just close bug 137021 :)05:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137021 in gpredict "[FTBFS]  gpredict" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13702105:32
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\shgeser, thx for uploading...05:45
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dholbachimtheface: can you join  #ubuntu-meeting ?05:45
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johanbr__Hmm. Why is everything except "Overview" greyed out if I go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+package/vpnc ?06:09
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Hobbseebecause launchpad operates by source package for everything else06:10
StevenKBecause that's a binary package, and bugs and such like are related to source packages.06:10
johanbr__Yes, I just found the right page. :) Thanks.06:10
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tuxmaniacPriceChild,07:01
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PriceChildHello?07:02
tuxmaniaccan ubuntu loco team irc channel ops join the irc team?07:02
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PriceChildtuxmaniac, #ubuntu-ops please07:09
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tonyyarussoDo the archive admins have an irc channel or anything where one could observe them processing things?07:19
deadwilltonyyarusso, you mean the queue?07:20
tonyyarussodeadwill: More detailed than that, preferably.  ie, where I could tell when there's actually a human looking at a package and pondering whether to ACCEPT or REJECT, and when, etc.07:21
deadwillyou could ask on #ubuntu-devel for that07:22
tonyyarussohmmm07:23
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moquistI'd like to create a [different]  package with an /etc/init.d/script and an /etc/default/config file. I looked at another package that has those (mpd) and it was non-obvious to me how they are handled. Can anybody give me any tips?08:31
moquistignore "different" up there...this is a re-post from another channel.08:31
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LaserJockmoquist: I'm not sure if http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit would help or not08:54
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moquistLaserJock: I think it might. It looks like I may need to run update-rc.d, etc., directly in the postinst(?). I wasn't sure about that.08:56
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nixternalLaserJock: you check out the comments to the "one'ness"?08:56
LaserJocknixternal: yes, writting my "rebuttal" as we speak ;-)08:56
nixternalhahaha08:56
nixternalrock on...all of the comments were pretty good, except for one, who is always rude to others08:57
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nixternalhe thinks his poo don't stink :)08:57
nixternaleww08:57
gesermoquist: if you are using debhelper, look also at dh_installinit09:00
moquistOoooooooo. That sounds promising.09:00
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LaserJocknixternal: alright, it's up at http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2007/09/03/when-choice-is-no-choice-at-all/09:52
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bmhmhi everyone. When will "pidgin" (earlier gaim) be released to the repos?11:19
bmhm*formerly gaim11:19
Nafallothey are in the repos11:19
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bmhmi can't find any when i look for pidgin - i got ALL repos enabled11:20
Nafallobmhm: even the development edition?11:20
bmhmdunno - i got feisty and searched for pidgin. Nothing found at all11:20
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LaserJockbmhm: Feisty was released with gaim11:22
LaserJockbmhm: the current development version, gutsy, has pidgin11:23
Nafallobmhm: at the time we had upstream freeze in gaim was the name.11:23
bmhmah I see.11:23
bmhmwell it's just because a guy asked in #ubuntu-de11:23
bmhmand I couldn't tell him until I found out he compiled pidgin hisself :D11:23
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mok0_Pidgin is in gutsy11:32
mok0_pidgin:11:33
mok0_  Installed: 1:2.1.1-1ubuntu111:33
mok0_  Candidate: 1:2.1.1-2ubuntu211:33
mok0_  Version table:11:33
mok0_     1:2.1.1-2ubuntu2 011:33
mok0_        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages11:33
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bmhmgnu8 all :-)11:39
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sochi11:53
sochow likely is it that we will get gimp 2.4 in gutsy?11:53
soc seems the gimp devs are already preparing their website relaunch (looks amazing)11:53
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socanyone??11:58
deadwillbye all11:58
deadwillo/11:58
DktrKranzsoc, I think you will have to wait for hardy12:00
azeemsoc: gimp is in main, not universe12:00
socah ok12:01
socubuntu+1 told me to ask in motu ...12:02
azeemdunno12:02
socDktrKranz: ok, hopefully it will get through ... less unnessecary bugreports ...12:03
socthey released rc2 today12:03
DktrKranzsoc, gutsy will be ready on October 18th and I fear it will not be available unless strong rationale12:05
geserbased on that gimp is a devel version currently (with a big warning) it may be possible that gutsy will have gimp 2.4 (if it releases on time)12:05
gesersoc: try asking seb128 or dholbach in #ubuntu-desktop about their plans for gimp in gutsy (during the european day)12:07
socok12:11
socok thx12:12
blueyedCan someone help me with bug 91607? Should the action "start" not fail? Or should dh_installinit add a call to "restart" instead?12:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 91607 in postfix-policyd "postfix-policyd init script doesn't behave" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9160712:16
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blueyedThis blocks bug 136687 (CVE)12:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136687 in postfix-policyd "buffer overflow in w_read function (possible DoS and execution of arbitary code)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13668712:16
geserblueyed: I'd say it's a bug in the init script: "The init.d scripts must ensure that they will behave sensibly if invoked with start when the service is already running [...] " (from the Debian policy, section 9.3.2)12:33
blueyedThanks, geser. I've just checked this with apache.12:34
blueyedBut the problem is still stat it does not get restarted, which it should - during upgrade..12:34
blueyedOtherwise the security fix would not get applied/used..12:34
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