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[01:10] <LaserJock> afternoon MOTU Land!
[01:11] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock
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[01:12] <nixternal> hiya LaserJock and ajmitch
[01:12] <ajmitch> uh oh
[01:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: good to see some more behind motu posts
[01:13] <nixternal> they just showed what they are doing in Sydney for the summit coming up...that is insane
[01:13] <nixternal> yes, we need more behind * stuff...it is interesting...we also need to see pics in those articles...
[01:14] <ajmitch> 'the summit'?
[01:14] <nixternal> ya, something about bush and others meeting in Sydney
[01:14] <LaserJock> nixternal: I did get work area/screenshot
[01:14] <nixternal> yup, I like that :)
[01:14] <LaserJock> I should try to get hackergotchis too I suppose
[01:15] <ajmitch> definitely
[01:15] <nixternal> or at least pics of who the person looks like
[01:15] <ajmitch> which means that you definitely won't get me interviewed :)
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[01:15] <nixternal> haha, I like that quit message
[01:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I think I might have something that'll do somewhere ;-)
[01:15] <nixternal> zenrox: nice quite message :)
[01:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: all lies
[01:16] <LaserJock> so, giving KDE another spin today
[01:16] <zenrox> like that
[01:16] <LaserJock> I'm getting kinda tired of all the bugs in Feisty though (not specific to KDE)
[01:17] <LaserJock> I might have to do a fresh install or something
[01:19] <LaserJock> for some reason I stopped being able to logout in Gnome a week or so ago
[01:19] <LaserJock> and it seems that my wifi doesn't come back up after resuming
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[01:36] <LaserJock> nixternal: does KDE have any applet/tool that reads /proc/acpi temps?
[01:36] <nixternal> quite a few
[01:36] <nixternal> the best is Kima, it is a kicker applet that shows anything that can be monitored
[01:37] <nixternal> and for a big app, similar to the old motherboard monitor is KSensors
[01:37] <LaserJock> Ksensors doesn't work for me
[01:37] <LaserJock> I just need a little kicker applet
[01:41] <nixternal> with ksensors you need lm_sensors, that's why that doesn't work
[01:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:42] <LaserJock> just installed kima
[01:42] <LaserJock> very nice
[01:42] <LaserJock> why don't we have it in the repos?
[01:42] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/I_DONT_RUN_VISTA.png
[01:42] <nixternal> kima is in the repos
[01:42] <nixternal> see my kima running on the bottom
[01:42] <nixternal> not for feisty maybe
[01:42] <nixternal> !info kima
[01:42] <ubotu> Package kima does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:42] <nixternal> !info kima gutsy
[01:42] <ubotu> kima: kicker monitoring applet. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.3.2-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 114 kB, installed size 448 kB
[01:43] <LaserJock> ah, excellent
[01:43] <nixternal> you gotta install yakuake as well :)
[01:44] <nixternal> no other terminal like it..however 1 note if you are really used to gnome terminal...you can just click on links in it and have it open up in a browser..the closes you can get is to enable klipper to recognize links and provide you with an option to open one
[01:45] <nixternal> the next release of yakuake will have it though
[01:46] <LaserJock> nixternal: how did you get it to do temp in C instead of F
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[01:47] <nixternal> I never set my locale to imperial (US)
[01:47] <nixternal> KMenu -> System Settings -> Regional & Language
[01:48] <nixternal> under Country/Region & Language, the other tab has a measure system drop down, I have mine as "Metric"
[01:48] <jmg> so how is kde looking for gutsy? i havent tested it
[01:48] <nixternal> besides KDEPIM being quite broken, it isn't to bad
[01:49] <nixternal> we went back to our roots, and went blue again :)
[01:49] <jmg> when is kdepim not broken?
[01:49] <LaserJock> nixternal: you mean, not purple?
[01:49] <nixternal> true
[01:49] <nixternal> no more purple in gutsy
[01:49] <xtknight> say i have something like this.  http://rafb.net/p/F6tCYz12.html   the newer version in debian just fixes that one thing.  instead of "backporting" that to a 0ubuntu1 version, can't/shouldn't we sync dfsg-2 of libvorbis from debian?
[01:50] <LaserJock> nixternal: bah, why does KDE/QT have to look so darn ugly :-)
[01:50] <nixternal> make it look the way you want
[01:50] <LaserJock> I can't seem to
[01:50] <nixternal> I enjoy the plastik theme..the default KDE theme..I don't need all that shiny and flashy crap
[01:51] <jmg> LaserJock: because your face reflects in the screen
[01:51] <nixternal> KMenu -> System Settings -> Appearance
[01:51] <LaserJock> jmg: hehe, must be
[01:51] <nixternal> jmg: hahahahah, pwnd!
[01:51] <nixternal> that was good
[01:51] <LaserJock> jmg: but I don't have a glossy screen ;-)
[01:51] <nixternal> next time someone says "this DE is ugly" I will get um with that :)
[01:52] <LaserJock> is there a way to compact it all
[01:52] <jmg> LaserJock: because your face is so horrible you have ptsd and your brain actively redacts your viewport to remove it
[01:52] <LaserJock> everything's just too big
[01:52] <nixternal> like the kicker?
[01:52] <LaserJock> like windows, controls, etc.
[01:52] <jmg> :)
[01:53] <nixternal> haha, I was gonna be an ass and say "just run your mouse over a border, click and drag it to the size you want" :p
[01:53] <LaserJock> seems like I've got to scroll windows quite a bit
[01:53] <nixternal> don't know how the windows look to big...mine are fine
[01:53] <nixternal> what resolution are you using?
[01:54] <LaserJock> 1024x768 I think
[01:54] <nixternal> ya, they say KDE is for 1024x768, but I think they are wrong...I know what you are talking about
[01:55] <nixternal> there is a way to shrink stuff down, but I am not positive on how that is...you know the best person to ask about tweaking the look, is Jucato
[01:55] <nixternal> he freakin' knows all of the little kde tweaks
[01:56] <LaserJock> my gosh, you guys seriously need to get ahold of your menus ;-)
[01:56] <nixternal> huh?
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[01:56] <LaserJock> they're a mess
[01:56] <nixternal> what is wrong with the menus?
[01:57] <nixternal> mine are beautiful
[01:57] <LaserJock> mine take up the whole screen
[01:57] <LaserJock> are really unorganized
[01:57] <LaserJock> and "More Applications"?
[01:57] <nixternal> I am running at 1280x800 and I don't have that problem at all
[01:57] <LaserJock> who wants to go through all that
[01:58] <nixternal> what is More Applications?
[01:58] <jmg> i see emerald sort of works
[01:58] <nixternal> oh, the bottom of the menu stuff...ya
[01:58] <nixternal> LaserJock: why use menus anyways? every thing that is in your menus can be accessed with katapult
[01:58] <LaserJock> nixternal: in some of the submenus they have a "More Appplications" submenu
[01:58] <nixternal> alt+space and then start typing the app you want to open
[01:59] <LaserJock> cause I don't know what I'm looking for
[01:59] <nixternal> hehe
[01:59] <nixternal> ya, I never understood that "More Applications" thing
[01:59] <nixternal> especially when there is like one app in it at times
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[02:01] <nixternal> LaserJock: go into #kubuntu-devel and just rip on kde...see what mhb and daskreach say :)
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[02:38] <ryanakca> wwhat would the licence for http://weitz.de/regex-coach/ be?
[02:39] <ScottK> ryanakca: It could go in mulitverse
[02:40] <ryanakca> ScottK: okies
[02:40] <ScottK> Due to the no commercial redistrbution clause in the license.
[02:40] <ryanakca> and in debian/copyright, I just paste his license blurb?
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[02:41] <ScottK> Yes
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[02:43] <geser> it can't even go to multiverse as it's not redistributable
[02:44] <geser> ryanakca: ^^
[02:45] <ScottK> geser: It is.
[02:45] <ScottK> Wait.  Reads again.
[02:45] <geser> the small license blurb doesn't say it
[02:45] <geser> All Rights Reserved even
[02:45] <ScottK> Right.
[02:45] <ScottK> ryanakca: Geser's right.
[02:49] <geser> ryanakca: visual-regexp seems to be similar to this tool and is already in the archive
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[03:34] <ryanakca> geser: ok, thanks :)
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[05:11] <RAOF> Does anyone think I'd get anywhere with the texmacs devs complaining about their horrible, horrible, homebrew ui?  I want a gtk2 texmacs, damnit!
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[06:52] <TheMuso> 5~5~/c
[06:52] <TheMuso> ugh
[06:54] <RAOF> Wow, it's growing :)
[06:54] <RAOF> Hey TheMuso :)
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[07:05] <TheMuso> RAOF: heh
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[07:14] <\sh> re
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[09:14] <asisak> Good morning
[09:14] <\sh> moins
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[09:16] <dholbach> good morning
=== RAOF cleans some xserver-xgl bugs.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> morning dholbach
[09:17] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
=== \sh fixed backstep just now....
[09:19] <superm1> \sh, what was wrong with backstep?
[09:20] <\sh> superm1, it can't find the pkg configs for xdamage xcomposite etc....but the deps are there...so I set RENDER_CFLAGS and RENDER_LIBS so it can compile cleanly...seeing that the pkg call for gtk is right and shows all needed libs, i think that's the best workaround right now
[09:20] <superm1> \sh, oh you probably mean for lpia then right?
[09:21] <\sh> superm1, nope...ubuntu...
[09:21] <\sh> superm1, http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/28/drip_0.9.0-4ubuntu1_gutsy32.buildlog
[09:21] <\sh> aegl
[09:21] <\sh> http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/28/backstep_0.3-0ubuntu2_gutsy32.buildlog
[09:21] <\sh> that's the right one
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[09:22] <superm1> ah
[09:22] <superm1> yea i see looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backstep/0.3-0ubuntu2, it wasn't ever rebuilt for gutsy on any arch except the failed lpia
[09:22] <jmg> backstep?
[09:23] <asisak> !info backstep gutsy | jmg
[09:23] <ubotu> jmg: backstep: Draws icons for minimized windows on your desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 28 kB, installed size 120 kB
[09:23] <\sh> superm1, I'm filing a bug with the debdiff...so it can be uploaded later on
[09:24] <jmg> strange program
[09:24] <superm1> \sh, can you subscribe me on the bug, i'll build/test it in the near future
[09:24] <superm1> jmg, it was quite useful when using Xgl, devilspie, and an extra window manager running above Xgl
[09:25] <jmg> :)
[09:25] <\sh> superm1, you lp name?
[09:26] <superm1> \sh, 'superm1' :)
[09:26] <\sh> *g*
[09:26] <\sh> ah LP is a bit bitchy today
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[09:26] <superm1> okay bed for me for a bit, nn.  thx \sh
[09:27] <\sh> superm1, subscribed you and u-u-s
[09:27] <asisak> I can also take care of things while superm1 is sleeping :)
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[09:37] <RAOF> I seem to remember a build of emacs with xfont support.  Is there some good reason our emacs22 packages don't seem to have it?
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[09:41] <asisak> \sh: should I upload your fix? Or better wait for superm1?
[09:42] <\sh> asisak, well, upload it...if it's not working correctly (what I don't think) I'll fix it anyways :)
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[09:46] <asisak> Seems to be an ugly & working hack.
[09:59] <\sh> asisak, correct..but works :)
[09:59] <asisak> Sure :)
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[09:59] <\sh> asisak, we have to have look (for hardy e.g.) to fix libxcomposite and friends to play with pkgconfig nicely
[10:00] <asisak> Maybe it would be better to fix it for gutsy as well.
[10:00] <\sh> asisak, when you build this package, you can see that it catches all libs correctly for gtk pkg-config...but not for composite and friends
[10:00] <asisak> So that we can handle possible bugfixes
[10:02] <\sh> asisak, tbh..I think it's more an issue with backstep handling this pkgconfig stuff...when you read the configure.in it's also an ugly hack somehow...I'm not a pkgconfig pro...so it's just a feeling
[10:03] <asisak> Yeah, I had the same feeling. Therefore I suggested to fix pkgconfig once and not hack packages many times ...
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[10:24] <\sh> if someone has time: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dumputils/+bug/136949 ready for upload ;)
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136949 in dumputils "[FTBFS]  dumputils" [Undecided,New] 
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[10:27] <\sh> moins ogra
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[10:27] <ogra> hey hey
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[10:30] <asisak> \sh: don't you consider to become a MOTU again?
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[10:31] <\sh> asisak, well, I don't think nobody will cheer for me this time...;)
[10:32] <asisak> You think that nobody would or you don't think that anybody would? :)
[10:32] <\sh> asisak, tbh, I need to become a member first, and that's one of the problems...
[10:33] <asisak> \sh: no. Not any more.
[10:33] <asisak> You can mail the MOTU council and apply for a MOTUship
[10:33] <\sh> without becoming a member?
[10:33] <asisak> (that involves membership as well)
=== asisak has become a(n implicit) member this way.
[10:33] <\sh> asisak, let's see...after october ;)
=== asisak would certainly cheer. 
=== asisak has uploaded your dumputils fix.
[10:36] <\sh> asisak, if you be so kind: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dvr/+bug/136951 ;)
[10:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136951 in dvr "[FTBFS]  dvr" [Undecided,New] 
[10:37] <asisak> Okay. In fact I have to do a lot of things, but I can dget && pbuilder && dpkg inbetween. So feel free to bug me with FTBFS bugs.
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[10:42] <\sh> asisak, well, I subscribe u-u-s all the time...so ;)
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[10:43] <asisak> But sure, it is The Right Thing (TM)
[10:45] <asisak> hmm... dvr segfaults if there is no video device
[10:45] <\sh> if it's building, that is more then ok now ;) I can't test dvr, too :(
[10:45] <asisak> \sh: does it work (well) for you?
[10:46] <asisak> Oh. Okay. It is building for sure. Let their users do the testing. Uploading...
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[10:55] <\sh> asisak, thx
[10:55] <asisak> \sh: np :)
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[11:29] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: for planner, I see that the older gda is still available in main, so why disable support for it?
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[11:31] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: we'll drop it from main, if it's still there
[11:32] <TheMuso> dholbach: I see you didn't get around to uploading gnome-speech yet. Mind doing so? http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/gnome-speech
[11:32] <dholbach> sorry, you should have asked in #ubuntu-desktop or something
[11:32] <StevenK> TheMuso, dholbach: I can do so in about an hour if you wish
[11:32] <dholbach> no need to be blocked on me
[11:32] <dholbach> TheMuso: will do so
[11:32] <TheMuso> ok
=== TheMuso shoudl read up on he desktop team process for stuff like that. :)
[11:34] <dholbach> TheMuso: no, just ask anybody in #ubuntu-de{vel,sktop} to sponsor
[11:34] <dholbach> or use the normal sponsoring workflow
[11:34] <dholbach> but I'm doing it now :)
[11:34] <TheMuso> ok
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[11:37] <dholbach> TheMuso: done
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[11:41] <TheMuso> dholbach: Thanks, and sorry for the bother.
[11:41] <dholbach> no, no need to worry :)
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[11:59] <\sh> if someone is interested in sponsoring one upload for ftbfs fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gbdfed/+bug/136968 :) if not, u-u-s is subscribed
[11:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136968 in gbdfed "[FTBFS]  gbdfed" [Undecided,New] 
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[12:13] <asisak> \sh: gbdfed uploaded
[12:16] <\sh> asisak, thx :)
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[12:22] <norsetto> g'day all
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[12:23] <norsetto> asisak: morning ex-coNP :-)
[12:25] <geser> Hi norsetto
[12:25] <norsetto> geser: hi!
[12:26] <norsetto> I have to confess a big sin ... I moved to kubuntu ;-)
[12:26] <asisak> norsetto: is it for real?
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[12:26] <norsetto> asisak: yeah ... still trying to get used to it though
[12:28] <\sh> I wonder how debians QA is working
[12:28] <\sh> test -z "/usr/share/pixmaps" || mkdir -p -- "/build/user/gfpoken-0.29/debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps"
[12:28] <\sh>  /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 './png/gfpoken.png' '/build/user/gfpoken-0.29/debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps/gfpoken.png'
[12:28] <\sh> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `./png/gfpoken.png': No such file or directory
[12:28] <\sh> and it's really not in the orig.tar.gz
[12:29] <asisak> isn't that in some uuencoded file?
[12:29] <asisak> .diff.gz cannot contain any binary files IIRC
[12:29] <\sh> asisak, nope
[12:29] <\sh> asisak, it's not in debian/ dir as well...so it disappeared somehow...
[12:32] <norsetto> the best for me so far was this package where the guy added an icon and desktop file and only forgot to install them. So after a while and a bug report a new version was out, with the desktop file. And he still forgot the icon :-)
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[12:35] <\sh> ah it's fixed already in debian...I file a sync report ;)
[12:35] <\sh> when LP is responding again
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[12:36] <norsetto> LP seems to be there for me?
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[12:37] <\sh> grmpf...problem on my firefox side...
[12:38] <\sh> (sync) bug 136974 and (upload) bug 136973 :) thx
[12:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136974 in gfpoken "[FTBFS]  gfpoken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136974
[12:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136973 in gdpc "[FTBFS]  gdpc" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136973
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[12:51] <asisak> cd debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps \
[12:51] <asisak>                 && pngtopnm gfpoken.png | ppmtoxpm -name icon > gfpoken.xpm
[12:51] <asisak> pngtopnm: gfpoken.png - No such file or directory
[12:51] <asisak> ppmtoxpm: EOF / read error reading magic number
[12:51] <asisak> make: *** [install-stamp]  Error 1
[12:51] <asisak> pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package
[12:51] <asisak> \sh: ^^^
[12:52] <asisak> that is sudo pbuilder the gfpoken_0.30-1.dsc [on gutsy] 
[12:52] <asisak> gotta go for now, be back later in the afternoon
[12:52] <\sh> asisak, argl...it should be fixed by this bug report
[12:53] <\sh> ok...I'll fix it manually...grmpf
[12:54] <\sh> does anybody know what the replacement header of awe_voice.h is?
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[01:00] <\sh> lol...the xpm is not even in the diff.gz of debian ;)
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[01:06] <white> ajmitch: regarding #435936, i got someone from the testing-security team who wants to nmu it, but i wanted to ask you first
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[01:17] <white> am I right, when I assume that wine would probably not be running medieval war2?
[01:18] <norsetto> white: did you check the wine db?
[01:19] <white> yes
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[01:36] <RAOF> Hm.  So it seems xserver-xgl is more crackful than I thought. :(
[01:37] <RAOF> bug #136962
[01:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136962 in xserver-xgl "Session file left after uninstall breaks X" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136962
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[01:39] <\sh> ok..gfpoken fixed
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[01:45] <RAOF> So, my plan here is to install the session file into /usr/share/xserver-xgl, and add a prerm & postinst to copy/remove it to the appropriate place.
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[02:12] <Nafallo> ScottK: ping SPF
[02:16] <Nafallo> ScottK: sent mail
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[02:18] <deadwill> mornin' all
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[02:35] <RAOF> Hey, anyone here using the fglrx drivers?
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[02:36] <RAOF> And if so, can you tell me whether they install a file into /etc/X11/Xsession.d, and what it contains?
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[02:39] <deadwill> RAOF, better to ask on #ubuntu
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[02:42] <RAOF> LongPointyStick: Howdie.  You don't happen to use fglrx? :)
[02:43] <ogra> RAOF, i do ... no trace of fglrx in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[02:43] <ogra> (gutsy)
[02:43] <RAOF> Gah.
[02:44] <RAOF> Xgl is not quite as happy as I'd hoped :/
[02:44] <LongPointyStick> RAOF: nope. intel card
[02:44] <zul> hey LongPointyStick
[02:45] <LongPointyStick> hi zul
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[02:49] <deadwill> LongPointyStick, new nick?
[02:50] <LongPointyStick> deadwill: this is my alternate nick.
[02:50] <deadwill> ah
[02:50] <zul> i swear to god i get more done at home then work
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[02:52] <zul> !uvf | zul
[02:52] <zul> !uvf
[02:52] <ubotu> uvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[02:54] <ogra> zul, do you have an idea about bug 134865 ?
[02:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134865 in ltsp "segfaults on ltsp in xen dom0" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134865
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[02:55] <zul> ogra, no idea since there is nothing really in the bug report to go by, however then is a re-synced xen kernel coming soon
[02:56] <ogra> zul, x11-common fails with a segfault ... (but works fine on normal systems it seems)
[02:56] <zul> weird still no idea
[02:56] <zul> maybe you need libc6-xen
[02:56] <ogra> hmm
[02:57] <ogra> the host system should have that ... do you need it in chroots ?
[02:57] <zul> nope
[02:58] <ogra> (ltsp-build-client is building a chroot with debootstrap and then chroots into that system and installs x etc)
[02:58] <zul> if they can get a a trace of whats going on that would be helpful
[02:58] <ogra> i'll try to get some info
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[03:06] <RAOF> Ok.  I'll fix Xgl tomorrow!
[03:07] <StevenK> RAOF: Did you see the shiny shiny crack that I uploaded a little while ago?
[03:08] <soren> dendrobates: /win 4
[03:08] <soren> ffs...
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[03:23] <norsetto> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=197 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=200 are up for review (they are simple updates).
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[03:30] <norsetto> is there any debian/ubuntu archive where one can find packages from 2004 (warty/sarge)?
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[03:30] <jrib> old-releases.ubuntu.com should have warty
[03:31] <fernando_> moin all
[03:31] <jrib> norsetto:
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[03:33] <norsetto> jrib: exactly what I needed, thx
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[04:09] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: can I bother you two seconds ? I need a second ACK for my UVF
[04:10] <Hobbsee> jeromeg: not at the moment, sorry
[04:10] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: can I give you the bug number so you can have a look another day ?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> is it in the queue?
[04:10] <jeromeg> I'm starting high school tomorrow and wont be available
[04:10] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: yep
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[04:11] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: motu-uvf are suscribed and ScottK gave one ACK
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[04:13] <Hobbsee> cool
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[04:14] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: so I don't have to do anything else ?
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[04:15] <Hobbsee> correct
[04:16] <norsetto> dholbach: ping?
[04:17] <dholbach> norsetto: in the CC meeting atm - can you drop me a mail or ask in PM?
[04:17] <dholbach> I'll get back to you
[04:17] <jeromeg> Hobbsee: great, thx
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[04:18] <ryanakca> dch -e -i     should update the changelog?
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[04:19] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: hey
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hi...
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[04:36] <\sh> hmm...any gtk people out there, who can tell me what this is all about? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36185/
[04:37] <xtknight> \sh, just looks like an error in someone's configure file to me
[04:38] <geser> \sh: can you pastebin line 22087 +/- some lines from configure?
[04:38] <\sh> geser, hmm...need to build it in a chroot then....not pbuilder...
[04:38] <geser> I guess some parts from configure.in didn't get translated and ended verbatim in configure
[04:40] <\sh> geser, I had to rebuild the autofoo crap...can it be, that it needs a higher gtk-doc version? e.g. GTK_DOC(1.x where x > 4) or something?
[04:41] <geser> that should only fail the check but not produce a syntax error
[04:42] <\sh> what gives autofoo the GTK_DOC macro? gtk-doc-tools?
[04:42] <geser> I'd guess gtk-doc-tools
[04:43] <\sh> hmmm....
[04:43] <\sh> root@LT420:/usr/share# find . -type f -exec grep -H "GTK_DOC" {} \;
[04:43] <\sh> ./doc/gtk-doc-tools/setting-up.txt:       GTK_DOC_CHECK(1.0)
[04:44] <geser> which package are you trying to fix?
[04:45] <\sh> gpredict
[04:45] <\sh> I need to remove the G*_DISABLE_DEPRECATED defines from Makefile.am and need to rebuild complete autofoo
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[04:48] <\sh> geser, and the error comes from goocanvas inside gpredict
[04:48] <geser> \sh: why not simply patching Makefile.in (and Makefile.am in case someone else needs to rebuild Makefile.in) and don't bother with regenerating the whole stuff?
[04:50] <geser> \sh: looking on lucas' build log, it seems removeing GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED from src/Makefile.{am,in} should be enough
[04:50] <\sh> geser, I did...called autoreconf but the configure error comes from goocanvas which has it's own configure stuff...which I didn't touch
[04:51] <\sh> and configure.in of goocanvas says: GTK_DOC(1.4) which failes in configure (not rebuilded by me)
[04:52] <\sh> oh what wonder
[04:52] <\sh> build-dep on gtk-doc-tools and it compiles ,)
[04:52] <soren> StevenK: Have you tried building virtualbox on an amd64 system?
[04:53] <\sh> geser: fixed, thanks for your help :)
[04:53] <StevenK> soren: Yes
[04:53] <StevenK> soren: It built on both i386 and amd64 before I uploaded it.
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[04:54] <soren> StevenK: Odd.. It ftbfs on my amd64.
[04:54] <StevenK> soren: Using my source?
[04:55] <soren> StevenK: No, the Debian one. I fetched it before you uploaded it.
[04:55] <soren> I though you just added an adduser dependency.
[04:55] <soren> ?
[04:55] <StevenK> soren: Nope, I had to do more.
[04:56] <soren> StevenK: Ah, yes, now I see.
[04:56] <soren> StevenK: Ok, yes, that looks like something that would fix it :)
[04:56] <geser> \sh: I only needed to remove the GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED lines from src/Makefile.{am,in} to get it build (no need to run autoreconf)
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[04:58] <geser> \sh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36189/ is all I changed (+ changelog and maintainer change)
[04:58] <\sh> geser, ah you changed it manually ;)
[05:00] <\sh> geser, I wonder if we have today a rule how to deal with autofoo crap (rebuidling during build-time, or patching *.{in,am} files), i prefer the first I mentioned
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[05:02] <StevenK> soren: I honestly don't see how the Debian maintainer managed to build it in a clean chroot, which makes me think he didn't.
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[05:03] <\sh> wtf? I just see, that my window decoration is gone
[05:03] <soren> StevenK: Yeah.. I've always thought binary uploads are a bad idea.
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[05:17] <geser> \sh: if the change is small I prefer to do it manually. This avoids problems with autoreconf, keeps the delta small and is easier to merge later
[05:17] <geser> \sh: as I've a fixed gpredict ready should I upload it now?
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[05:32] <\sh> geser, ok with me...just close bug 137021 :)
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137021 in gpredict "[FTBFS]  gpredict" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137021
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[05:45] <\sh> geser, thx for uploading...
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[05:45] <dholbach> imtheface: can you join  #ubuntu-meeting ?
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[06:09] <johanbr__> Hmm. Why is everything except "Overview" greyed out if I go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+package/vpnc ?
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[06:10] <Hobbsee> because launchpad operates by source package for everything else
[06:10] <StevenK> Because that's a binary package, and bugs and such like are related to source packages.
[06:10] <johanbr__> Yes, I just found the right page. :) Thanks.
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[07:01] <tuxmaniac> PriceChild,
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[07:02] <PriceChild> Hello?
[07:02] <tuxmaniac> can ubuntu loco team irc channel ops join the irc team?
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[07:09] <PriceChild> tuxmaniac, #ubuntu-ops please
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[07:19] <tonyyarusso> Do the archive admins have an irc channel or anything where one could observe them processing things?
[07:20] <deadwill> tonyyarusso, you mean the queue?
[07:21] <tonyyarusso> deadwill: More detailed than that, preferably.  ie, where I could tell when there's actually a human looking at a package and pondering whether to ACCEPT or REJECT, and when, etc.
[07:22] <deadwill> you could ask on #ubuntu-devel for that
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> hmmm
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[08:31] <moquist> I'd like to create a [different]  package with an /etc/init.d/script and an /etc/default/config file. I looked at another package that has those (mpd) and it was non-obvious to me how they are handled. Can anybody give me any tips?
[08:31] <moquist> ignore "different" up there...this is a re-post from another channel.
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[08:54] <LaserJock> moquist: I'm not sure if http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit would help or not
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[08:56] <moquist> LaserJock: I think it might. It looks like I may need to run update-rc.d, etc., directly in the postinst(?). I wasn't sure about that.
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[08:56] <nixternal> LaserJock: you check out the comments to the "one'ness"?
[08:56] <LaserJock> nixternal: yes, writting my "rebuttal" as we speak ;-)
[08:56] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:57] <nixternal> rock on...all of the comments were pretty good, except for one, who is always rude to others
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[08:57] <nixternal> he thinks his poo don't stink :)
[08:57] <nixternal> eww
[09:00] <geser> moquist: if you are using debhelper, look also at dh_installinit
[09:00] <moquist> Ooooooooo. That sounds promising.
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[09:52] <LaserJock> nixternal: alright, it's up at http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2007/09/03/when-choice-is-no-choice-at-all/
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[11:19] <bmhm> hi everyone. When will "pidgin" (earlier gaim) be released to the repos?
[11:19] <bmhm> *formerly gaim
[11:19] <Nafallo> they are in the repos
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[11:20] <bmhm> i can't find any when i look for pidgin - i got ALL repos enabled
[11:20] <Nafallo> bmhm: even the development edition?
[11:20] <bmhm> dunno - i got feisty and searched for pidgin. Nothing found at all
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[11:22] <LaserJock> bmhm: Feisty was released with gaim
[11:23] <LaserJock> bmhm: the current development version, gutsy, has pidgin
[11:23] <Nafallo> bmhm: at the time we had upstream freeze in gaim was the name.
[11:23] <bmhm> ah I see.
[11:23] <bmhm> well it's just because a guy asked in #ubuntu-de
[11:23] <bmhm> and I couldn't tell him until I found out he compiled pidgin hisself :D
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[11:32] <mok0_> Pidgin is in gutsy
[11:33] <mok0_> pidgin:
[11:33] <mok0_>   Installed: 1:2.1.1-1ubuntu1
[11:33] <mok0_>   Candidate: 1:2.1.1-2ubuntu2
[11:33] <mok0_>   Version table:
[11:33] <mok0_>      1:2.1.1-2ubuntu2 0
[11:33] <mok0_>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
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[11:39] <bmhm> gnu8 all :-)
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[11:53] <soc> hi
[11:53] <soc> how likely is it that we will get gimp 2.4 in gutsy?
[11:53] <soc>  seems the gimp devs are already preparing their website relaunch (looks amazing)
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[11:58] <soc> anyone??
[11:58] <deadwill> bye all
[11:58] <deadwill> o/
[12:00] <DktrKranz> soc, I think you will have to wait for hardy
[12:00] <azeem> soc: gimp is in main, not universe
[12:01] <soc> ah ok
[12:02] <soc> ubuntu+1 told me to ask in motu ...
[12:02] <azeem> dunno
[12:03] <soc> DktrKranz: ok, hopefully it will get through ... less unnessecary bugreports ...
[12:03] <soc> they released rc2 today
[12:05] <DktrKranz> soc, gutsy will be ready on October 18th and I fear it will not be available unless strong rationale
[12:05] <geser> based on that gimp is a devel version currently (with a big warning) it may be possible that gutsy will have gimp 2.4 (if it releases on time)
[12:07] <geser> soc: try asking seb128 or dholbach in #ubuntu-desktop about their plans for gimp in gutsy (during the european day)
[12:11] <soc> ok
[12:12] <soc> ok thx
[12:16] <blueyed> Can someone help me with bug 91607? Should the action "start" not fail? Or should dh_installinit add a call to "restart" instead?
[12:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91607 in postfix-policyd "postfix-policyd init script doesn't behave" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91607
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[12:16] <blueyed> This blocks bug 136687 (CVE)
[12:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136687 in postfix-policyd "buffer overflow in w_read function (possible DoS and execution of arbitary code)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136687
[12:33] <geser> blueyed: I'd say it's a bug in the init script: "The init.d scripts must ensure that they will behave sensibly if invoked with start when the service is already running [...] " (from the Debian policy, section 9.3.2)
[12:34] <blueyed> Thanks, geser. I've just checked this with apache.
[12:34] <blueyed> But the problem is still stat it does not get restarted, which it should - during upgrade..
[12:34] <blueyed> Otherwise the security fix would not get applied/used..
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