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LaserJockmoquist: how's moodle coming?02:19
moquistLaserJock: the one in REVU should be good.02:20
moquistLaserJock: I haven't done anything with metapackaging yet.02:20
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LaserJockk02:20
moquistLaserJock: just 'apt-get install mysql-server' or 'apt-get install postgresql' first. ;)02:20
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LaserJockhi jsgotangco02:25
jsgotangcohi!02:25
jsgotangcogood morning02:25
LaserJockmoquist: ok now with the new package and no DB installed I get something about can't find pg_lsclusters you must create PostgreSQL database manual02:31
LaserJockI'm guessing that's what it's supposed to do02:31
moquistYou installed the moodle package w/o installing mysql-server or postgresql first, then you selected postgresql, and asked it to create the default database. Yeah, that sounds right.02:32
LaserJockk02:33
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LaserJockmoquist: alright, postgresql seems to have worked fine02:46
moquistyay!02:49
LaserJockmoquist: hmm, it seems to hang on removal though02:53
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LaserJockcan you admit it in pm so I can fix it? ;-)02:59
moquistThe reason is that I never, even once, tested removal. Or upgrade.02:59
moquistLook! It hangs!03:00
moquistMy *other* packages never needed special testing. They've always Just Worked(TM). :-E03:02
moquistThat's not an excuse, or anything. I'm just saying.03:02
moquistLaserJock: http://n01se.net/paste/Ke4?pretty=yes03:04
LaserJockyou're going to be such a packaging guru by the time you're done with this package03:04
moquistLaserJock: that makes me think that postrm completed, but I haven't actually started looking into it yet.03:04
moquistOf course, I didn't change anything [that I remember]  in relation to removal, so it's not unreasonable that I should expect it to work. I wonder if the upstream package removes properly...03:06
moquistLaserJock: I'm curious about the case in postrm. Since it looks like postrm gets called with 'remove' as the first argument (judging and guessing based on the comments at the top), wouldn't that case complain about an unknown argument in every situation when you don't --purge?03:07
moquistAnd why would this be what we want?03:07
moquistOh - and the 'ps' output I pasted above also shows moodle.postrm being called with 'remove' (I think)03:09
moquistI'm not at all familiar with /usr/share/debconf/frontend at this point.03:09
moquistah-ha! there's a tabbing problem on that case statement.03:11
moquistYeah, it looks like postrm finished. The webserver has been restarted, and that should be the last thing that postrm does, unless it's being called with 'purge', which it isn't.03:12
moquistLaserJock: the original package removes just fine.03:24
LaserJockdid you change the postrm?03:25
moquistLaserJock: I changed postrm to use invoke-rc.d ${webserver} restart instead of . /usr/share/wwwconfig-common/restart.sh03:25
LaserJockthat's it?03:25
moquistI think so; I'm diffing and pasting.03:25
LaserJockit seems weird that that would cause it to hang03:26
moquistoriginal: http://n01se.net/paste/GsF?pretty=yes03:27
moquistnew: http://n01se.net/paste/aWw?pretty=yes03:27
moquistdiff: http://n01se.net/paste/KoP?pretty=yes03:27
moquistI'm not quoting as carefully as I should, but other than that it looks like I think it should.03:27
crimsun(`diff -uN` is generally preferable)03:29
LaserJockI don't see why it'd hang03:29
moquistdiff-uN: http://n01se.net/paste/9Hw?pretty=yes03:29
moquistOK; I added an echo immediately before the last exit 0 and it printed.03:34
moquistpostrm is completing.03:34
moquistand exiting with 0.03:34
moquisthere's the process stack, which shows moodle.postrm <defunct> and the parent process in interruptible sleep: http://n01se.net/paste/MWy?pretty=yes03:36
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sbalneavEvening all03:56
LaserJockhi sbalneav03:58
moquistsbalneav: hiya03:58
moquistLaserJock: given that postrm is actually completing and exiting with 0, I don't know what to do next.03:58
sbalneavHi LaserJock, say, was going to add a brief chapter on Sabayon and Pesselus tonight.  You're doing an addon cd chapter, you said?03:59
sbalneavhey moquist03:59
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LaserJocksbalneav: I think so03:59
LaserJockI think sabayon and pesselus would  be great03:59
LaserJockmoquist: may be time to ask -motu03:59
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moquistLaserJock: I emailed -motu04:17
LaserJockwell, I was meaning #ubuntu-motu, but ok04:17
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sanjayDoes Edubuntu come with any capacity for acting as a filter?07:42
lnssanjay, url filter? no, but you can get software that will07:45
lnsi would actually recommend using something like IPCop (ipcop.org) on a firewall, and get the advproxy and urlfilter mods...they work very well07:46
sanjayRighto, cheers lns.08:11
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sanjayNext question: Is it at all practical to have a VM session under LTSP?08:24
LaserJockhow do you mean?08:32
sanjayLet clients access windows through a VM08:33
LaserJockhmm, I would think if the server was good enough to run the VM well it shouldn't be much of a problem08:35
LaserJockalthough I can't say that I've ever tried it08:35
LaserJockwhat kinda of VM app are you thinking of using?08:35
sanjayI've not got much of an idea just yet.08:35
sanjayMy project for the upcoming semester is to port one of my school's labs to Linux.08:36
sanjayI've played with LTSP at home before, and it seems like the natural choice.08:36
sanjayOnly, there are a few Windows-only apps that may be required.08:36
sanjayThe school's TCO for Windows is in the hundreds of thousands...:-/08:37
lnssanjay, I'm in the exact same position you are - I have 7 schools (in a single district) to convert from WinXP/2000 to Ubuntu and LTSP08:37
lnsI'm starting to see their requirements for some Windows-only apps, like a reading and math program08:38
LaserJockI think David Trask was talking about using a VM for windows08:38
LaserJockI think it's definately doable08:38
LaserJockheck, I kinda do it myself anyway08:38
sanjayI'm just worried about the server dying.08:39
LaserJockrun VMWare Server on my server and ssh -X to it from the laptop and run the client08:39
lnssanjay, what's the hardware on the server08:39
LaserJockand that's over my wifi08:39
sanjayI find out later today.08:39
sanjayIs a VM prone to crashing at all?08:39
lnsnot more than the OS is already prone to crash ;)08:39
sanjayAs in, stable enough to stake the whole lab on?08:39
lnsI wouldn't see why not at all, again as long as the server hardware can handle it08:40
LaserJocklike everybody at once?08:40
lnssanjay, you're talking about having a single VM going on the edubuntu server, correct? not a bunch of them08:40
sanjaylns, that or having people use a VM from the thin clients (which I personally feel is a terrible idea)08:41
LaserJockI think he's saying a VM per thin client, or maybe I'm misundertanding08:41
lnssanjay, no don't use a VM at each thin client08:41
sanjayLaserJock, I'm thinking both, really. It's just, if the server crashes, then all the clients go down.08:41
lnsin all reality, if your server goes down, production is very much limited anyway08:42
lnsI've never had a problem with LTSP/edubuntu's stability08:42
lnsand a VM (like vmware) is just as stable as the actual server. it uses generic hardware so windows can access it "natively" - its pretty much universal08:42
LaserJockyeah08:42
sanjayAh, I see.08:43
LaserJockI've seen where a Uni made a whole company in VMware08:43
lnsjust things like running games and video related stuff would be kinda weird08:43
LaserJockto simulate sysadmining08:43
lnsyeah08:43
sanjayRight, thanks then. One more thing to cross off my list!08:43
LaserJockif the hardare is enough to run it, it'll run08:43
lnsI'm probably going to end up doing this at my schools, too08:43
LaserJock*hardware08:43
sanjayIs it practical to connect multiple server machines?08:44
lnshow do you mean08:44
sanjayHaving one in each room, with them all reporting to a central machine08:45
sanjayI'd guess that it'd be a bit of a silly bottleneck to have, and require copious amounts of hardware.08:45
lnsall edubuntu servers?08:45
sanjayyeah08:45
lnshow many clients do you have total in the building08:45
lnsand what is your server hardware08:45
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sanjayAs I said, I'm not sure of the server hardware yet. I suppose it'd be your standard high school server machine...about 100-150 clients08:46
lnswell i can't account for more than 35, but we use an HP Proliant ML370 G508:46
lnsand i think it's way more than we need08:47
lnsdual quad core xeons (3.0GHz) and 8GB RAM08:47
sanjayThat's fairly reassuring.08:47
lnssomething like that would probably be able to handle at least 100 clients, as far as I've read anyway08:47
sanjayThe cookbook suggested 128MB of RAM per client08:48
lnshaven't field tested it08:48
lnsthat's plenty, i have some with 64mb and they're fine08:48
lnsisn't the new LTSP supposed to be able to server ones with 32mb just fine?08:48
lnsi think a major factor in client ram is the stress on video that will be used08:48
sanjayWell, given it's a standard school, I think the Lab would be restricted to OOo and Firefox08:49
lnssanjay, saying 'standard school' doesn't really say much (to me, anyway)08:49
lnswhat is their budget for the system? do you know how much they value their labs?08:50
lnssome schools are really skimpy on IT costs08:50
sanjayLet me explain my situation a bit further...08:51
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sanjayafter a brush with the district school board IT lads last year, the local sysadmin and I had a chat and she offered to give me one lab, after school, to try and implement a Linux-based solution for the school. If it was successful, she'd work with me to gradually expand it.08:52
sanjayBecause their TCO on Windows is in the hundreds of thousands08:52
sanjayJudging from their prior expenses, they spend around $50,000 a year on updating their systems08:53
lnswow08:53
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lnsit really is true...fat clients in general are so much more to maintain08:54
sanjaylns, they're not skimpy on IT; they're just stupid.08:54
sanjayYeah.08:54
lnsif you have a basic need for computers (like in education) thin clients really make sense08:54
sanjayYeah.08:54
lnsits just getting all the stuff they're used to either compatible or replaced that's the tricky part08:55
sanjayYep.08:55
lnsthat's what I've got to do with my schools - our situation sounds incredibly similar08:55
sanjayThat's why they're suggesting a gradual transition.08:55
sanjay:-P08:55
sanjayHey, do you know Citrix?08:55
lnsonly the IT admin had me side by side with windows thin clients implementing at another school08:55
lnsnot really08:55
lnsi know how it works though08:55
sanjayThey tried it across four high schools.08:55
lnsok08:56
sanjayThe project lasted two years, failed miserably08:56
sanjayCost them $800,00008:56
lnsquestion 1: were the administrators capable?08:56
sanjayNope.08:56
lns;)08:56
sanjayThey had to hire two more Citrix pros.08:56
sanjayBefore Citrix, it was a two-man team08:56
lnscitrix is supposed to be very good if implemented correctly08:56
sanjayYeah, I've heard.08:56
lnsbut, of course, you're still dealing with microsoft in the end08:57
sanjayAh, Microsoft...08:57
sanjaySo, how did moving students to Linux go?08:57
lnswhere are your schools if you don't mind me asking?08:57
sanjayOntario, Canada.08:57
lnsi'm at school 2/7 right now starting to build the server08:57
lnscool08:57
lnsi'm in california08:57
sanjayNice.08:57
lnsthe students like it08:58
lnsthe biggest issues are that the admins know 0 about linux08:58
lnslet alone how thin clients work08:58
LaserJocklns: where in California?08:58
lnsi know i'm going to be spending a lot of time teaching them Gnome and things like that (administration, lockdown, etc)08:58
lnsLaserJock, Sonoma County08:58
lnsnorthern, about an hour north of San Francisco08:59
sanjayI'm peeking around the school board budget...08:59
LaserJocklns: ah, cool. I'm in Reno, NV08:59
lnsthe trouble for me is also going to be finding people around here that know linux that i can contract/hire08:59
LaserJocklns: so about 4 or so hrs drive away08:59
lnsLaserJock, nice08:59
sanjay$15,000 on a "Ride-on Scrubber"09:00
lnsyeah, and some good gambling ;)09:00
LaserJockheh09:00
lnsmaybe i'll have to take a 'business trip' out there haha09:00
lnssanjay, ?09:00
sanjayThey spent $15,000 on a pavement cleaner that you can sit on.09:01
lnshahaha09:01
lnsyeah get a good server ;)09:01
sanjaylns: Have you worked with contracting people in the past?09:01
lnssanjay, yes, a bit09:01
lnsi'm a one man show right now, with lots of windows clients09:01
sanjayIs it a basket of hell?09:01
lnsbut i really want to put my bread and butter into LTSP in education09:01
lnssanjay, its actually not bad09:02
lnsi have some good processes in place09:02
lnsbut LTSP is a learning experience for me as well09:02
lnsthere's a lot I'd love to contribute but I don't know how09:02
lnsbecause i'd love to see thin-client-manager and tools like that really start to be developed more09:02
lnsall of the teachers are really excited about that09:02
sanjayI'm looking at it now...looks like a brilliant tool.09:03
lnsi'd really love to have some central place to go to pay some people to develop that type of software for LTSP09:03
lnsthat would add so much value to my own contracts with the district09:04
sanjayMmm. I remember a site where you'd pay people to fix particular bugs.09:04
lnsand the money flows where its supposed to go09:04
sanjay"Bounties"09:04
lnshmm09:04
lnsi know hireacontractor.com or something like that09:04
lnsnever had much luck with it though09:04
sanjayCould TCM manage other clients from a client, provided it had the right privileges?09:05
lnsi think ogra should find some good people and start a support business for LTSP ;)09:05
sanjayOr is it serverside?09:05
sanjayLooks like I'd use it :P09:05
lnspretty sure you can09:05
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sanjay"Screen Viewing"...now that'll be a Godsend09:06
RichEdhi LaserJock lns sanjay09:06
lnswhat's up RichEd09:06
lnssanjay, that's exactly what the teachers are excited about too09:06
lnsand being able to share it, say on a projector09:06
sanjayHeya, RichEd09:06
RichEdlns: spotted your comment above about wanting to contribute :)09:07
lnsRichEd, are you a developer?09:07
LaserJockhi RichEd09:08
RichEdlns: not a developer ... nope ... I manage the Education Programme for Canonical09:08
lnsahh!09:08
lnslots of 'big wigs' seem to like to hang out here ;)09:08
RichEdlns: well it's my office :)09:09
lnsnice.09:09
lnsThat alone is enough for someone like me to want to switch all to linux support09:09
lnsi love the close contact with the head people here09:09
LaserJockheh, hadn't thought of it that way before09:09
LaserJockbeing able to talk to Mark via IRC is one of those things that shocks people sometimes ;-)09:10
lnsi'm just one of the thousands of IT consultants around, but having a line of communication like this with any given software project is invaluable t ome09:10
RichEdlns: just sharing your experiences with Edubuntu with your colleagues is a good start to contributing, but what would also be a big help is that if you put together any docs for your school & teachers, be sure to share them with us09:10
lnsit's like talking to celebrities. ;)09:10
LaserJockhaha09:10
LaserJockquick, get his autograph ;-)09:11
lns=p09:11
lnsRichEd, i definitely will, and you gave me a great idea to help them by writing documentation09:11
lnsi'm still in the implementation phase, the wave is just starting to hit around the district09:11
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lnsbut i know i'm going to need backup09:11
lnsand i'm just not totally sure where to go for someone that will be able to work with me fixing issues at the schools once i have 7 to look after09:12
lnsnot to mention my other contract clients i have to keep handling09:12
RichEdlns: out guys who hang out here are generally pretty tech oriented ... whereas, as you know, teachers are real people ... so we need more docs at the follow the yellow footprints level09:12
RichEd*our guys ... not out guys09:12
lnsvery true RichEd09:12
LaserJockRichEd: we aren't real people? :(09:13
LaserJock;-)09:13
RichEdLaserJock: real_people_+09:13
lnsone thing that i really wish would be implemented is having vino start at gdm on the server so the admins can log in themselves..i have a howto, but the more manual stuff i have to implement, the more can break later after updates, etc.09:13
RichEdnot vanilla real people09:13
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LaserJockok, maybe you've got a point09:14
RichEdLaserJock will be buried with a notebook one day09:14
LaserJocka CMPC maybe09:14
lns=p09:14
LaserJockthat'll be lighter09:14
RichEdhe'll still attend the occasional meeting09:14
LaserJockas LaserJock_ghost09:14
RichEd:)09:15
lnsso does Canonical have some sort of program for supporting LTSP setups, say, for remote troubleshooting?09:15
RichEdlns: I came to my desk at this point above: "the trouble for me is also going to be finding people around here that know linux that i can contract/hire"09:15
RichEdand add this: "and i'm just not totally sure where to go for someone that will be able to work with me fixing issues at the schools once i have 7 to look after"09:15
RichEda good place to start is by looking up your loco team ... is there one in your state ?09:16
lnsloco team? like a lug?09:16
lnsgood idea!09:16
LaserJockthere is a California LoCo team I believe09:16
RichEdyep ... let me get the page for you ... they are good to network with09:17
lnsawesome09:17
LaserJockI think there are quite a few people in the San Jose area, naturally09:17
RichEdand also sending a mail to the edubuntu-devel and edubuntu-users mail list is fine if you are looking for edubuntu resources / skills ... we won't see job offers as spam09:17
lnsi'm actually right next to o'rielly, they have a lug there that i've been to in the past09:18
lnso'reilly*09:18
RichEdlns: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList09:18
lnscool, thanks!09:18
sanjayIs this a reasonable work plan?: System requirements, current solution, problems with current solution (Stupidly high TCO), proposed solution, benefits of proposition (FOSS and whatnot), implementation and costs, backdatedability09:19
RichEdlns: here specifically : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam09:20
lnsbeat you to it ;)09:20
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RichEdand I presume you know where to find our mail lists ?09:21
lnsalready a part of them09:21
RichEdjus' checkin' :)09:22
lns;)09:22
RichEdlns: and finally, do you have a listing in our Ubuntu Marketplace ?09:23
lnsi don't think so09:23
RichEdhttp://www.ubuntu.com/support/commercial/marketplace09:25
RichEdCanonical Marketplace09:25
RichEdThere is a growing network of companies that provide local support for desktops and servers running Ubuntu. Find a company close to you, or get your own company listed in the marketplace.09:25
RichEd^ so basically, if you offer any services around Ubuntu, you can get listed for free on the web sitge09:26
RichEd*site09:26
lnssounds good, will do that! =)09:26
RichEd(first step towards becoming a partner)09:27
RichEdwhat might be useful for you is to look up other companies in the listings, and to say hi to them ... at this stage of linux commercial business, it's a matter of all helping to make the pie bigger, not really about competing for clients / business09:28
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lns=p09:29
lnsno this is all very relevant information09:29
lnsfor me anyway ;)09:29
lnsok, i just submitted my form for marketplace09:30
lnsalthough my website doesn't have any linux-specific information on it yet09:30
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RichEdlns: re ^ linux info ... whip up a quick blog post on the merits of LTSP, Edubuntu and the cool people in this channel, and then you've got enough linux stuff for the listing, seeing as you have OLPC and open-source voting machines as front page teasers for existing posts09:35
lnswill do! =)09:36
lnsI'm definitely going to write an actual page as well09:36
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jsgotangcohello09:41
lnshi jsgotangco09:41
lnsand goodbye everyone, i'm off to the depths of unconsciousness09:42
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sanjayBye, lns!09:46
sanjayHoly fricking Christ it's 03:4609:46
sanjayI have to go back to school in 4 hours :-O09:46
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ari_stresshello10:00
ari_stressguys, i'm installing ltsp5 on 64bit for 32bit clients. the client environment is done. but i changed the ip address of the ltsp server. now, when i try to ltsp-update-sshkeys it said that WARNING: /opt/ltsp/./amd64/etc/ssh not found. skipping...10:01
ari_stressand the effect is that clients cannot logon10:01
ari_stresswhen i try to logon fron console, the error is: login incorrect10:02
RichEdari_stress: if no-one answers in a few minutes ... ping ogra ... or try the same question in #ltsp10:02
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ograari_stress, you cant log in on console on thin clients ...10:04
ari_stresshi ogra10:04
ari_stressi found this error:10:04
ogradoes /opt/ltsp/i386 exist ?10:04
ari_stresssh: /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter: not found10:04
ari_stressyes it exists10:04
ograhmm, thats not a default edubuntu, is it ?10:04
ari_stressis there any steps installing ltsp5 that i miss?10:04
ari_stressogra, it's feisty 64bit10:04
ograi guess you only used the ltsp-server package ...10:05
ari_stressi thougt so too10:05
ogra-standalone has some extra dependencies ...10:05
ograyou need ltspfs installed for ltspfsmounter10:05
ograbut anyway, ine thing at a time ....10:06
ari_stressok, i'll install ltspfs10:06
ari_stressit's funny though10:06
ari_stressi think i remember read it somewhere about the need of installing ltspfs10:06
ari_stressi guess i forgot :D10:06
ograis /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts existing ? and /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts10:07
ograand does the content differ ?10:07
ari_stress /opt/ltsp/amd64 is empty because i don't build any for 64bit clients10:08
ari_stressi'm installing ltspfs now10:10
ari_stressok rebooting10:10
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burnerxi installed new applications from synaptic on the server, how do i give user access to it ?10:12
ari_stressburnerx: on the server or on the clients environment?10:13
burnerxi think on the clients envirnoment... i want the users be able to use the application10:13
ari_stressit's not visible to the client?10:16
LaserJockogra: morning10:16
ograLaserJock, hey10:17
burnerxshould it be visible right away without any changes ?10:17
ograyes10:17
burnerxwell, i just installed AbiWord, and that should show up without me editing anything?10:17
ograyes10:19
ograshould be in your office menu10:19
burnerxi tried the Screen Viewer under the Thin Client Manager, and it told me to install X11vnc on my client10:20
ograhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients10:21
ari_stressogra: i still cannot logon from the clients. if i remember correctly, ltspfs is only needed for mounting usbdisk?10:23
ari_stressthere's no more ltspfsmount error again though10:24
ogragood10:24
ograis that gutsy or feisty ?10:24
ograah, you said feisty10:25
ari_stressfeisty10:25
ari_stressyes10:25
ogrado you have a /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts file ?10:26
ari_stressyes there is10:26
ogradoes it contain anything ?10:27
ari_stressit contains lots of keys of the server ip10:27
ari_stressand the server name10:27
ogralots == ?10:28
ogramore than four ?10:28
ari_stresslet me count10:28
ari_stressjust 410:28
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ograthat should be fine then10:28
ograthe server ip is right in that file ?10:29
ari_stresssince /opt/ltsp/amd64 is empty, i create a symlink from i386, is it ok?10:29
ari_stressyes the server ip is correct10:29
ograshould work, yes ...10:29
ograjust not the other way around :)10:29
ograsince you wouldnt see it from the client10:30
ari_stressthe symptoms is tend to the wrong ssh-keys, don't you think?10:30
ograso if you run ltsp-update-sshkeys with the symlink in place, does the file change ?10:30
ari_stressshould i empty the file first? to make sure10:31
ari_stressi create the symlink because lstp-update-sshkeys will error if there's no /opt/ltsp/amd6410:31
ogracan you run the following:10:32
ogra BASE=/opt/ltsp; find ${BASE} -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d 2>/dev/null10:32
ograand paste the output here10:32
ari_stressok10:32
ogra(thats how ltsp-update-sshkeys determines the chroots)10:32
burnerxit said "Couldn't Find package x11vnc"10:32
ograburnerx, hmm, you likely need universe enabled in the chroot ... do the following:10:33
ari_stressogra: the result is: /opt/ltsp/i38610:33
ograsudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/10:34
ograsudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update10:34
ograthen repeat what is on the wikipage10:34
burnerxok10:34
ari_stressbtw, should i install the ltspfs in the server or the client env?10:34
ari_stresswait a mic10:35
ari_stressmin10:35
ograari_stress, hmm, then its unlikely thats your problem, can you check ~/.xsession-errors of the user you try to log in with ?10:35
ograltspfs needs to go on the server10:35
ari_stressogra10:36
ograoh, wait, where did you see that error about ltspfsmounter ? in a log on the server ?10:36
ari_stressi found it10:36
ari_stressi forgot10:36
ari_stressit's not about the ltspfs10:36
ari_stressit's my ldap10:36
ograahhh10:36
ari_stressmy server needs to connect to ldap10:36
ari_stressi forgot to update the libnss-ldap and pam-ldap in the client env10:37
ari_stressin the first server i forgot to document this step10:37
ari_stresslet me try to update it10:37
ogramake sure the user is in the fuse group then and the fuse group needs to have the same GID in your ldap as it has on the server10:37
ograelse local devices wont work10:38
ari_stressok10:38
ari_stressthank you so much ogra, you're the best10:38
ogra:)10:39
RichEdari_stress: ogra is where "the ltsp tyre meets the road"10:39
ari_stressRichEd: 100% agree :D10:39
burnerxthis is cool10:45
ari_stressthis makes me wonder though, in case I don't use LDAP and use passwd instead, so i need to create the user INSIDE the client env? not the server?10:46
RichEdogra: when you have a spare moment, please tell me which of jillc's desktops work best re logo placement ... tx10:51
RichEd(don't want to load all variations on the wiki page ... only the best)10:52
ograEdubuntu_global-sept307b.png10:55
ograthe other one is to close to the edgy with the logo imho10:55
ograand indeed i'm happy if its mentioned on groklaw :)10:56
RichEdi've composed a mail ... just not sent ... saying 95% certainty barring the usual release glitches11:04
ograright11:05
RichEd"usual release glitches" ... ahem let me rephrase that:  barring the usual glitches or uncertainities with any release process"11:05
RichEdnot to imply that *buntu releases usually have glitches :)11:06
ograheh11:06
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ari_stresshmm still not go. i cannot logon to X11:46
ari_stressvery strange11:46
ari_stressi check with the old server, and i can logon11:46
ari_stressin the old server, i cannot logon from console, but i can from ZX11:47
ari_stressX11:47
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ari_stressinteresting findings12:05
ari_stresswhen i try to logon locally to the server12:05
ari_stressi cannot logon with error:12:05
ari_stressCould not get password database information for UID of current process: User ??? unknown or no memory to allocate pasword entry12:06
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ogralooks like a prob with your ldap setup12:10
ari_stressi'm copied the confs from the previous server12:16
ari_stressthe getent passwd and group works12:17
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ari_stressit's related specifically to X login i guess because sshd-ing into the server works12:20
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ari_stressintentionally put a wrong password correctly checked as 'authentication failed'12:25
ari_stresslogin using failsafe gnome reveals that actually X can know the uid, but not the name12:27
ari_stresscould it be a bug?12:28
ari_stresswow now i cannot login as a local user either12:52
ari_stresssuperb12:52
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Nubaaehi there01:10
NubaaeSo, I'm trying to connect a terminal to my ltsp setup, which has an all fglrx setup right now, so this new computer has a different network card (nv) When I adapt the lts.conf file to reflect this, via [mac address here]  followed by XSERVER=nv, it doesnt work01:11
ogranv is used by default anyway01:12
NubaaeI've tried restarting the server, though this shouldn't be necessary...01:12
ograno01:12
ograit isnt01:12
Nubaaefor some reason, it just reads the fglrx setup all the time01:12
Nubaaeno matter what I change in lts.conf01:12
ograpaste your lts.conf to the pastebin01:13
NubaaeI've tried making a seperate xf86config= file too... and then I thought... maybe thats whats conflicting it?01:13
ogra!pastebin01:13
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)01:13
Nubaaewell, its not that long, just 6 or 7 lines01:13
Nubaaeill paste it to u in private?01:13
Nubaaebut if you prefer, I'll use pastebin01:14
Nubaaehttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36306/01:17
Nubaaeah, the card in question is a nvidia gforce 440SE, if that helps at all01:18
ograand you are sure its using fglrx ? how did you verify that ?01:19
Nubaaefirst of all, it allowed me to do a alt+f601:19
Nubaaetaking me to a shell01:19
Nubaaethen I checked the output of xorg01:19
NubaaeI have screen 6 as shell01:20
ograhmm, you hav especified both, XSERVER and XF86CONFIG_FILE in the mac defined section01:21
Nubaaeyeah, thats me trying stuff01:21
NubaaeI did that after though... with just xserver didnt work01:21
ogra/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/myxorg2.conf has definately nv in it ?01:21
Nubaaeyes01:21
ograif the MAC address is right that should be used then ...01:21
ograare you sure its right ?01:22
Nubaaeyeah maca ddress verified and reverified01:22
Nubaaeu know whats weird... it worked once01:22
ograwhich release is that ?01:22
Nubaaewell, almost01:22
Nubaaefeisty01:22
ogracan you comment *all* XSERVER and XF86CONFIG_FILE entries in the lts.conf ? and check what happens then01:23
Nubaaeoh... its using a 3com card with pxe 2.201:23
ogra(it should default to either vesa or nv)01:23
Nubaaeall default and mac address?01:23
ograyep01:23
Nubaaeok01:23
ogralet the autodetection do its work and see what you get for it01:24
ari_stressogra :)01:24
ari_stressi found the culprit01:24
ari_stressoh mannn!01:24
ograwhat was it ?01:24
ari_stressbecause of copy paste of the confs from the previous server into the new server using a USBDISK01:25
ari_stressthe permission of /etc/nsswitch is 70001:25
ari_stresswhereas it should be 64401:25
ari_stressgoddamnit01:25
ograoh01:25
ari_stresslol01:25
ograwell, nobody is perfect :)01:25
ari_stressvery nice, i've spent 4 hours :D01:25
ari_stressbut i'm glad at the end01:25
ari_stress:D01:25
ogra:)01:26
Nubaaeyeah that works fine01:26
Nubaaehowever, that doesnt resolve my problem, unless I keep the nv computer on all the time01:28
Nubaae:-)01:28
ari_stressyes222... the clients can logon now :D01:29
ari_stresswow.. that was close01:29
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ari_stressi almost reinstall the server01:29
ari_stresswell, i gtg now. wife has been waiting :D01:30
ari_stresssee you around all :)01:30
ari_stressgreat day01:30
ograNubaae, i suspect the config file you define in the default sectuion prevents the config script from even running on the nvidia system01:36
ogratry to use the XF86CONFIG_FILE parameters for both and done set XSERVER ... try if that helps01:37
ogra*dont01:37
Nubaaeok, I'll try that01:38
moquistogra: didja see my email to -motu about the moodle package?01:56
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ogramoquist, is moodle/webserver properly set ?02:00
moquistyes; apache is restarting.02:00
ogra(and why doi you still have servers="apache apache-ssl apache-perl apache2" ?)02:00
ograthat can go02:00
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ograinvoke-rc.d ${webserver} restart || true02:01
ogra;)02:01
ograpoor mans "i don't care"02:01
moquistI wonder if that was already moot code, given that restart was set to $webserver. I'm not sure wwwconfig was looking @ $servers.02:01
moquistYeah, that would be better.02:01
ograand you should probably be more graceful and either use only reload or ask the user if you are allowed to restart the httpd02:01
ograjust tearing it down is a bit mean02:02
moquistare we sure that apache, apache-ssl, apache-perl, and apache2 all support 'reload'?02:02
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moquistbut yeah, you're right02:03
ograguess how long a server restart took there :)02:03
Kamping_Kaisernot sure i could run 2k domains on my dual 233 :|02:03
moquist30 min?02:03
ograi would have killed you back then (and even more my boss would have ;))02:03
ograyeah, about that02:03
ograit also ran the DNS and mailserver for them02:03
moquistWell, you shouldn't ever have used this package on such a server, or at least without testing carefully first. :)02:03
ograpfft02:04
ograif its in main i assume it doesnt do evil things02:04
moquistWell, yeah. It should be a responsible package.02:04
moquistOf course.02:04
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ogrause reload for now02:05
ograquestions and the like can come later02:05
moquistI'm checking them all for reload.02:05
moquistI've made the same change in postinst.02:05
moquistAlso, FWIW, apache2 was restarting successfully, so || true shouldn't change anything.02:06
moquist(in the scenario we've been running into)02:06
ograwell, || true will make it ignore any return value02:08
moquistIt's the right thing to do; I'm just saying that it doesn't solve our immediate problem.02:09
ograso errors wont be blobking02:09
ogra*blobking02:09
ograGRRR02:09
moquistYep. No disagreement here.02:09
ogra*blocking02:09
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ograheh02:09
moquistYeah, I distinctly remember thinking "happily" while I typed that -motu email last night, and when I read it 5 min. ago I noticed that it says "happing". Stupid fingers.02:10
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Nubaaeso, I've tried using just the XF86CONFIG= in the lts.conf file02:41
Nubaaeand same thing happens...02:41
Nubaaetries to load the fglrx setup02:41
NubaaeI guess a solution for now will be to put an ati card in that system... but should I try and take out the XF86CONFIG altogether to see if that works?02:42
Nubaaeno luck02:49
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sbalneavMorning all03:06
ograare you sure its the file you have defined that is used ?03:06
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netzer0hi... anyone here?03:30
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Nubaaeyes... checked it over and over03:35
Nubaaechecked it on another ltsp server, where there is no lts.conf file and there it works fine03:36
Nubaaeseems to me, that this is all happening because the fglrx driver has been compiled into chroot kernel, could that be?03:37
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ogralol03:41
ograyes03:41
ograindeed03:41
ograthat cant work, you should mention such stuff in the beginning03:41
ogrause the default kernel package and the fglrx module from ubuntu03:41
Nubaaeok, can u run me through that...03:49
ograyou managed to compile your own kernel and replace the shipped one, but dont know how to revert what you did ?03:50
Nubaaehehe, well I followed the steps you gave me...03:51
NubaaeI can probably figure it out, but just to be sure, I thought I'd ask u03:51
ograi gave you ?03:53
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Nubaaeit may be that its not compiled into the kernel.... I just thought it might be... you gave me 2 steps to follow03:54
Nubaaeto install the fglrx driver03:54
NubaaeI thought one of them was to install a fglrx kernel03:54
ograah, k03:54
Nubaaebut I might be wrong03:54
NubaaeI've tried putting a ati 3D rage card in the computer giving problems, but seems that doesnt wanna run the fglrx driver03:56
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ogralikely unsupported03:57
ograwould work with the ati driver i guess03:57
Nubaaeyeah thats what I'm seeing... for fglrx needs to be a newer ati card I guess03:58
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bddebianHeya03:59
Nubaaeif I do a lsmod, I dont see the fglrx driver04:00
ograin the running client ?04:00
Nubaaein alt+f6 (screen 6 = shell)04:02
t94xrdoes http://t94xr.ath.cx/ work ?04:02
Nubaaehowever I can modprobe it, does this mean its taking the driver from the kernel?04:03
t94xrarthg sorry wrong channel04:03
ograyes04:03
ograif you used the fglrx package all is fine04:03
Nubaaewell, I think i did apt-get install xserver-xorg-fglrx and fglrx-driver04:04
Nubaaeor something like that, I cant remember exactly, but I dont think it was getting a new kernel04:04
ograsbalneav, removing -desktop wont remove any other package04:42
ograhis prob is that half of gnome is compiled against gecko04:43
ograwhich makes the packages depend on firefox04:43
sbalneavah,04:45
sbalneavI thought it was because firefox is a requirement for ubuntu-desktop04:45
sbalneavso, removing firefox removes -desktop, which hoses other stuff.04:46
sbalneavwell, either way, he shouldn't :)04:46
ograwell, either way we should rather use xulrunner for these apps :)04:46
ograbut the mozilla trademake policy clashes with xulrunner04:47
sbalneavI've heard of xulrunner, but I have no idear what it is?04:47
ograelse i'd ship epiphany instead of FF since n releases already04:47
ograits the gecko parts separated from firefox04:47
ogra(they could just call it libgecko :P )04:47
sbalneavEpiphany would be better in some ways, as it integrates with pessulus04:49
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ograand has no extra tanslations04:50
ogra*trans04:50
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ograwhich is the most tempting fact for me :)04:50
sbalneavSo, why don't we switch to it? Policy?04:50
ogra(ephi has them in the gnome packagew anyway)04:50
ogratrademark04:51
sbalneavEpiphany has trademark issues?04:51
ograwe would need to use iceweazle04:51
ograno04:51
ogramozilla has04:51
ograbeing able to use firefox in ubuntru brings some restrictions with it04:51
sbalneavSorry, I'm not understanding.  I though if we used epiphany INSTEAD of firefox/iceweasel, there woudln't be a problem.04:52
ogra6then we would need xulrunner04:52
ograwhich breaks the FF policy04:52
ograits about xulrunner, not ephi04:53
ograephi is only a gnome frontend to gecko ... it needs gecko (currently through being linlked against FF)04:54
ograto make it work standalone it would need to link against xulrunner04:54
ograbut we cant use xulrunner because thjat breaks the FF trademark04:54
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RichEdanectodal comment: why open office ?05:51
RichEdclassroom.ppt 1 slide 1.2MB05:51
RichEdsilly file format05:52
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NubaaeI am trying to mount /home/$user over nfs for some non ltsp clients... is the correct procedure, to put in /home/$user in exports and then mount through fstab from the client side?06:08
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didgehi.  i'm attempting to install edubuntu.  the installation package is freezing after it has installed the package brltty-x11.  what can i do ?07:50
didgethis is the third time.07:50
didgei have verified cd integrity07:50
LaserJockwhat version of Edubuntu?07:51
didge7.0407:51
didgecan i rescue the installation ? can i skip this particular package ?07:52
didgei can access a console07:52
LaserJockdo you have a network connection while installing?07:54
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didgeno08:01
didgedo i need a network connection while installing ?08:02
LaserJockdidge: well, you shouldn't but sometimes it seems to have issues08:10
LaserJockdidge: I know quite a few people though that installed 7.04 ok without a net connection08:11
didgeok08:13
didgei read that brltty-x11 looks on the web for some files during the installation procedure.08:14
didgeduring this installation, i aborted dhcp configuration during the install and chose "do not configure my network at this time" then continued.  i will report the results.08:14
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moquistLaserJock: I just now ran 'strace apt-get remove moodle' and the 'apt-get remove' process on line 1 of http://n01se.net/paste/Ke4?pretty=yes is looping, waiting on the dpkg process on line 2.08:16
LaserJockoh, wait a sec08:17
LaserJockmoquist: can you paste the postrm for me?08:18
LaserJockmoquist: nvm, got it08:19
LaserJockmoquist: so the dpkg process is not returning/exiting?08:22
moquistLaserJock: correct08:26
LaserJockok...08:27
LaserJockso now why the heck would that be08:27
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LaserJockok, so we know that it restars the webserver08:28
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moquistLaserJock: and if I put 'echo foobar' just before 'exit 0' at the end of postrm, it prints08:32
moquist(after the webserver restart)08:32
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LaserJockon which part?08:33
didgehi08:33
didgeit works now08:33
didgeyou have to specifically disable the network configuration08:33
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moquistLaserJock: which part of what?08:34
moquistLaserJock: I'll post an example08:34
LaserJockmoquist: which case?08:34
LaserJockmoquist: see #ubuntu-motu08:34
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sbalneavWell, I've re-implemented jetpipe in C.  It's a 5k executable.09:18
LaserJockcoolio09:18
sbalneavIt's too late to get in for this time, but what I'd like to see (ogra and I have talked about it before) is get some udev rules in place for usb printers.09:18
sbalneavIf you plug in a usb printer, you've got a printserver.09:19
sbalneavWe'll get it in the books for Hairy.09:19
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sbalneavmoquist: You around?10:12
moquistsbalneav: yo ho10:13
sbalneavCan you /msg me, I'm just testing switching to gaim from xchat10:13
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didgehi.11:01
didgei'm having trouble booting my diskless client.11:01
didgei already have a diskless network on 192.168.1.X11:02
didgei am attempting to use edubuntu as a second diskless network on 192.168.2.x11:02
didgeon the client, i get the "edubuntu splash screen", then it starts talking to my primary server (which is centos)11:02
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lnsdidge, are the two networks physically tied together, or do you have 2 NICs in your edubuntu server?11:45
lnsI have a feeling your edubuntu network is talking to the same DHCP server that your CentOS network is tied to11:49
lnsso the DHCP options might be conflicting with the 2 networks11:49

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