[12:50] Hmm. dropping the kubuntu_9902_nspluginviewer_hangs_cpu.diff patch causes FTBFS... === ryanakca pastebins [12:52] ryanakca: run buildprep [12:52] make -f debian/rules buildprep; debuild [12:53] Ah, thanks :) === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:22] pykde4 is mighty hard to compile [01:23] mhb: my best wishes are with you :) [01:23] allee: I've tried, but g++ takes 75% of a 1GB RAM, then stops using CPU time and probably freezes in some way [01:24] mhb: can you point me to the diff.gz. My laptop has 2 GB RAM. Maybe this helps [01:26] allee: I think it needs some time and more skilled amd64 testers... thanks for the offer, though [01:26] :o) [01:27] mhb: tried ppa? [01:29] mhb: k. Bedtime here :) Nite [01:29] allee: goodnight [01:29] night allee [01:29] ryanakca: no, but I don't think it will help [01:31] mhb: is it a ressource problem, or a packaging type? if it's ressources... *shrugs* the ppa probably has more ressources/ram/cpu than your comp does... definetaly has more ressources than mine does [01:32] ryanakca: I don't think it's a resources problem, I think it a code problem. [01:32] hmm === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@CPE000f663685cd-CM0011e67c2935.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:46] Riddell: no buildprep now that I look in rules... which explains why sbuild failed again === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-170.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:56] ryanakca: woohoo! it was resources after all ... I never though I would say that, but 1GB RAM is not enough for me (and for pykde4) :o) [01:57] hehe [01:58] mhb: you managed to compile it? [01:58] what did you compile it on? [01:59] nosrednaekim: not yet, but I'm progressing [01:59] ryanakca: my computer with swap on .o) [01:59] mhb: I gave up when I saw I needed SIP et al. I figured i'd wait till someone (like you!) released a .deb [02:01] nosrednaekim: right. [02:02] nosrednaekim: for some reason, whenever I have a dilemma like this (either sleep or build some cool app), the app wins :o) [02:02] hehe [02:02] what time is it? 2 in the morning> [02:03] good guess, yes, two [02:03] what is the current state of compiz fusion in our repos? is it worth attempting to document installation for Kubuntu? [02:04] nixternal: please do, it works fine :) [02:05] thanks nosrednaekim [02:05] NP...and I think I can help out by writing a little documentation on how to get XGL working for those of us on the dark side. [02:06] xgl for ati cards correct? [02:06] yeah. [02:06] rock on, if you could write up something in plain text would be fine, unless you are down with docbook [02:07] yeah. I'll do plain text. [02:09] is it OK if it has some semi-HTML code in it for where I was the "code" type style? [02:10] that's fine [02:10] ok, i'll try to have it to you by tomorrow afternoon. [02:19] whoa! they made some smashing progress on the plasma kicker replacement! :o) [02:19] hmm... could someone take a look at http://groupware.kubuntu.co.uk/~ryan/Log_for_failed_build_of_kdebase_3.5.7-1ubuntu18 and give me a couple ideas as to why dpkg-buildpackage dies please? === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.125] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:21] I'm guessing it's due to the missing libgtk build dep? [02:21] gtk/gtkmain.h: [02:21] No such file or directory [02:21] mhb: really?is it going to be in beta2? [02:21] right, you need libgtk2.0-dev at least [02:22] Herm. wierd. just a sec [02:22] I thought I had removed that patch [02:24] thanks [02:25] compiz on gutsy for me has white borders around everything [02:25] and I can't get the cube, reflection stuff, none of it to work [02:26] nosrednaekim: I guess it won't, because it's past beta2 tagging. I don't know what's keeping the release, though. [02:27] nixternal: did you start emerald? [02:27] no [02:27] didn't know I had to [02:27] mhb: I guess one could just compile it for itself though. [02:28] I just did 'compiz --replace' [02:28] nixternal: thats the only way I could get it working. [02:28] install emerald and then run "emerald --replace" after running "compiz" [02:28] got it [02:28] ok, somewhat better..no more white borders [02:29] emerald-manager should let you change the theme, iirc.... I haven't used compiz/beryl in ages [02:29] nosrednaekim: http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/kde4.png if you want to take a look [02:29] k [02:30] ya, you can change the theme...but I can't get the cube to work, nor the reflections [02:32] nixternal: run "ccsm"you migth have to turn that stuff on [02:32] nixternal: is it enabled in the compiz-fusion manager? [02:32] mhb: nice... I guess. better than nothing. [02:33] nosrednaekim: compare with this one: http://vizzzion.org/images/blog/xinerama-kde4-beta2.png [02:34] nosrednaekim: ^^ is what beta 2 should contain [02:34] vizzzion..... hmm whose blog is that?Sebas's? [02:34] yes [02:35] mhb: WOAH! way too big :) [02:35] I'd lag out if I tried loading that [02:36] yes I have it enabled [02:36] the manager is confusing, and retarded at the same time [02:37] nixternal: yeah... the old one was better [02:38] nixternal: is it better than the Beryl one? it was nice... [02:38] well, I think for documentation wise, I am going to link them to documentation instead of trying to write it right now...it is to buggy [02:39] yeah [02:40] no matter what I enable, it isn't working [02:41] I have to admit though, what is working is kind of cool [02:42] (he has the vista UI emulator enabled) [02:42] bah [02:43] I did find a cool thing, but you have to use all 10 fingers just to use it :) [02:43] now how do I shut this junk off w/o restarting x? [02:43] nixternal: "kwin --replace" [02:43] oh well...gotta restart x anyways, nice crash [02:46] sudo apt-get remove that_garbage [02:48] nixternal: eh.. I was faster than I thought. I have that XGL tutorial all written up.do you need it? === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@unaffiliated/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:54] nosrednaekim: how about putting it on the community documentation for the time being? [02:55] I will give it a shot later on my desktop since I have an ATI Radeon 9700 in it [02:55] ok. sure. [02:55] should I include the installation of the ATI drivers? === ^SaRgE^ [n=jose@144.Red-88-2-126.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchick@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:03] nixternal: eh...umm... where are the community docs? [03:08] https://help.ubuntu.com/community [03:08] I think the ATI driver installation is already there, and so is XGL possibly, but if you have a way that works and is better than what is up there, just update then [03:09] well, the Kubuntu way would be different than the ubuntu way.. [03:11] yech... I hate wikis... oh well :) [03:14] hmm the ubuntu one is pretty good. [03:14] ya, I hate them too at times [03:15] will it work for Kubuntu as well? [03:15] except it uses gedit. [03:15] yeah..except for the above. [03:15] ya, just add some Kubuntu snippets in there [03:16] two lines really.. [03:20] easy fix then :) [03:21] I will just aim the docs at it then [03:21] ok.. cool. [03:21] with a giant "BEWARE" sign :) === nosrednaekim is scared. === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.192.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:22] hehe [03:22] shh, he is here now === manchicken [n=manchick@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:23] yay kmail works now :) [03:23] (I think) [03:23] all but pasting [03:23] aw.. :( === nixternal builds a new kubuntu-docs package for da man === nosrednaekim runs away! people talking! === Jucato goes back to sleep... [03:24] terrible day yesterday :( [03:24] I just sent this guy $25,000 and he said in a few months he will send me $140,000,000 [03:24] you can't beat that! [03:24] nixternal: he wasn't from the Congo was he? [03:24] O.o [03:25] yeah, that can't be beaten by 3 days of (almost) non-stop loud, out of tune, karaoke singing from my neighbor... [03:26] I think so [03:26] his brother was a King who just died [03:26] I think the same King who has died a few times a year now :) [03:26] hehehe [03:26] nixternal: haha [03:26] nixternal: but now he is king? [03:26] Jucato: if my neighbors did such a thing...well can you sing karaoke from your bottom? [03:26] lol [03:27] like his neighbors do... sure. [03:27] I keep getting the same spam messages...spamassassin and bogofilter both stink [03:27] nixternal: pipe it through gmail... [03:27] :) [03:27] gmail's spam filter is almost perfect... almost... [03:27] I do, gmail is just as bad [03:27] really? I haven't gotten anything from it. [03:27] how is gmails spam filter good for everyone else, but totally stinks like crimsun for me? [03:27] I only get spam from gmail say.. um... a few times a month? [03:27] lol [03:28] I get it umm, say a few times a day [03:28] actually, no I don't...maybe a few times a week [03:28] but gmail also blocks a ton of my dev mail as spam [03:28] hehe I'm so glad I'm not yet subscribed to that many ML's :P [03:29] I had to cut back [03:29] I figure if I can't manage it with gmail then it's just too much [03:29] heh [03:29] everyone hide.. its the gnomefreak. [03:29] umm? [03:29] where? [03:29] ?? [03:29] LaserJock: [03:29] O.o [03:29] wrong person? [03:30] oh.. I wasn't talking about gnomefreak.. [03:30] nosrednaekim: hehe === Jucato thinks he bumped into a Qt/KDE list view widget problem... === nosrednaekim , the problem, bumps Jucato back. [03:32] haha [03:32] LaserJock: btw, about that Hidden field in an app's .desktop file? I ran into something strange. If I add it to the file in /usr/share/applications/, it hides the menu entry. but if I do so in ~/.local/share/applications/ it doesn't.. I guess I'm missing something [03:32] aside from a few screws in my head... [03:33] I can return those screws whenever you need them back [03:33] my dad is making me a Tux cell phone case..it is going to be so cool [03:33] wow [03:34] Jucato: hmmm [03:34] oh well... KDE must be doing something funky for the menu... or maybe it's Guh-NOME... dunno :) [03:35] nah [03:36] .local/share/applications should override /usr/share/applications [03:37] unless possibly KDE isn't implementing the menu right [03:37] hence doing something funky :) [03:38] but I think I remember aaron saying it should work [03:38] heh sometimes it's no fun working on a KDE 3.5.x feature when you know it won't be incorporated anymore :P [03:39] nixternal: wiki edit done. feel free to link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl [03:39] thanks nosrednaekim!! you rock! === nixternal gives nosrednaekim a kubuntu cookie [03:39] um question... is it normal that in a list view (KMail, KGet Show all links, Konqueror), when you filter out a specific set of items, then select them all with Ctrl+A [03:39] APT! [03:39] Jucato: are you going to finish that? [03:40] er... [03:40] hehe [03:40] ... all items, even those unfiltered, get selected? [03:41] I would have to say no [03:41] no, as in it happens to you too but shouldn't happen? or no, it doesn't happen to you? [03:42] or no as in it sounds like it shouldn't happen but I have never seen it [03:43] try it, kmail or konqi in list view... [03:46] Jucato: how do you unfilter in list view? [03:46] did you use the fliter search bar or just the menu? [03:47] in list view I couldn't see the filter bar [03:47] ah you have to add it though. or you can use Tools -> Filter [03:48] ok. [03:49] 20:42:11 [ nosrednae] or no as in it sounds like it shouldn't happen but I have never seen it [03:49] that one there :) [03:50] gee... am I always the only one to run into these corner cases? O.o [03:51] Jucato: ok... so I tried that... I flitered all but python programs in a DIr out and then ctrl+aed and then right clicked on the python files selected and copied them to anyother DIR. Only the python files wnet [03:51] Jucato: that is because you mess around with everything :) [03:52] nosrednaekim: after you select Ctrl+A, reset the Filter so that nothing will get filtered [03:52] hmm ok [03:52] nixternal: hahah ;0 [03:52] er.. :) [03:52] when I reset the filter.... nothing is selected [03:53] hm.. ok... :) [03:53] bug maybe? [03:54] unless it's an intended feature :) [03:54] its not a bug..... its a FEATURE! [03:55] ah ok! it only happens if you use the filter text field in the toolbar. doesn't happen if you use the Tools menu [03:56] the effects in konqueror is a bit... dangerous... [03:56] screenshot time... [03:56] ah! [03:59] http://jucato.org/stuff/filters.png [03:59] may I direct your attention to the screenshot. both showing the same location... [03:59] the right panel just shows how many files there are [03:59] Jucato: yay, you have lowdotted fonts [04:00] low dotted? [04:00] Jucato: thats scary.. [04:00] I mean, your font doesnt use many dots really [04:00] ah.. um... ok... === Jucato pretends he comprehended that heh === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:00] Jucato: small comparison: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png [04:05] hm... [04:07] why is there so much kde stuff in -backports? [04:07] active development and constant releases? [04:08] heh and before some were complaining that kde stuff aren't in backports but are in kubuntu.org instead hehehe [04:08] seems like it kinda defeats the purpose ot put stuff in -backports [04:08] LaserJock: what purpose? [04:09] well, generally we don't put stuff in -backports that is important [04:09] KDE4 isn't... [04:09] no, there's almost all of kde3 in there as well [04:10] or at least it looks like it to me [04:10] kde updates [04:10] kde 3.5.7? [04:10] amarok usually [04:10] is it our fault KDE keep releasing bugfixes? [04:11] I guess it's mostly koffice I see [04:11] and lots of libs [04:12] Tm_T: I'm not saying it is [04:12] but how much goes into -updates and how much goes to -backports? [04:15] LaserJock: does -updates accomodate version updates? I mean like KOffice 1.6.3 if the one in main is 1.6.2? [04:15] no [04:16] one reason to use backports then :) [04:16] or kubuntu.org... [04:16] here's a nice little kubuntu testimonial.... ya'll rock! http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/08/another-convert.html [04:18] :) [04:18] <3 [04:18] :3 [04:26] hmm, why does kde4base-dev pull in stuff like kdepimlibs5, et. al ? [04:26] because it depends on it [04:26] KDE4 has nice integration stuff related to any personal information [04:26] because kde*libs5 is for KDE 4 [04:27] blame Debian's naming === holycow [n=blah@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:27] aha! [04:27] hey dudes [04:27] nice work on including kbfx in kubuntu [04:27] thats one kickass menuing app [04:27] does anyone reember how to enable kdm themes? [04:27] can someone tell me why they are disabled? [04:28] !changethemes | holycow [04:28] holycow: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy. Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. [04:28] last link ^^^ [04:28] btw, Kubuntu uses a KDM theme by default. so it isn't disabled [04:28] holycow: btw this is not support channel ;) [04:28] i know its not a support channel, did i ask HOW to customize ubuntu? [04:28] i asked WHY devel decision was made however [04:29] [10:27] does anyone reember how to enable kdm themes? [04:29] muhahah [04:29] just curious if there some technical issue i should be aware of [04:29] I meant though that I thought that kde4base would be just the basics and that kdepim would depend on it, not hte other way around [04:29] sounds like a "how" to me... [04:29] holycow: again, kdm themes are not disabled [04:29] LaserJock: well kdepimlibs is part of KDE4 basics [04:29] lol you right, that was ahow meant more as a why .. but alas [04:30] LaserJock: er no. kdepimlibs is different from kdepim [04:30] ah could be maybe this distupgrade then. interesting, when i tried it last night they were === Tm_T hugs holycow [04:30] you had to read a readme on it [04:30] today that popup is gone but kdm themes aren't applied [04:30] okay good to know [04:31] I wonder if kdepim folks know that there are two meta-a accessors in the Edit Contact screen.... [04:31] manchicken: where? [04:31] In "Edit Contact", if you hit meta-a, you'll see that there are two matches found. [04:31] in what part? [04:31] kaddressbook? [04:32] The "Add" button under the phone numbers, and then the "Apply" button. [04:32] kabc [04:32] hmmm [04:32] ah yes [04:32] let me check whats here [04:32] accessors = accelerator/hot keys... didn't get that one immediately :) [04:33] manchicken: hmm, in US English that is? [04:34] Add (under the Home, Work, Mobile number fields) and Apply (beside OK and Cancel) [04:34] US English that is? [04:35] Tm_T: ALT I think.. [04:35] that is what? O.o [04:35] ? [04:35] Jucato: in what language? [04:35] US [04:36] thanks [04:36] can you try with british? [04:37] Tm_T: Yeah [04:37] ALT, yes. === Jucato would have to install a new language first... [04:38] not exactly sure how I would go about that though.... [04:38] run app like KDE_LANG=en_GB kate [04:39] or kaddressbook? [04:39] yup [04:39] follow the pattern ;) === Tm_T has trilingual desktop [04:40] I don't haveUS English [04:40] er [04:40] sorry [04:40] en_GB, cy and fi [04:40] nothing changed.. mabye I don't have en_GB? [04:40] you have to install lang packs ofcourse :) === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:50] Tm_T: taking a looong time hahaha [04:50] hrrr [04:51] downloading the English language [04:57] I can be heard here. [04:58] Tm_T: still the same... after en_GB [04:58] Tm_T: you... [04:58] Jucato: interesting [04:59] Jucato: btw this channel has been quiet lately :( [04:59] yeah :( [05:00] well, I could ask more questions, but I figured you guys were tired of me [05:00] ;-) [05:00] nope... we aren't tired of you. [05:01] LaserJock: us? tired of you? when? [05:03] kdebase includes kate and konqi right? [05:03] for kde3, yes [05:04] and kde4base for kde4 [05:04] kate's gone in kde4 [05:04] only kwrite remains... [05:04] from kde4base, yea === Jucato sobs [05:04] not from KDE.. [05:04] what? [05:04] where is kate then? [05:04] sorry. I meant. [05:05] kate is not in kdebase in kde4 anymore [05:05] it's in kdesdk [05:05] it's not gone, it's just moved in to the kde4sdk package for some unknown reason :p [05:05] thats an odd place to put it. [05:06] it isnt really... [05:06] but I'd prefer it to be the default text editor anyway [05:07] ok, so I got kde4base, kde4edu, and now kde4sdk is installing === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.61.126] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:42] I really like dolphin. [05:43] good for you :) [05:43] I'm wondering if dolphin will have a right-click to Compress service menu :( [05:44] make one! [05:44] don't know how :) [05:44] Commando is the greatest movie ever! [05:44] I thought you were going to say Kommando hahah [05:45] I should have [05:46] that is my old chinchilla's name [05:47] ok starving... later :) [05:47] much much later [05:48] hehe [05:57] Any python apps with bugs that need squishing? I could use to play with Python a bit. [05:57] ya, same here actually [05:57] Riddell: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kubuntu-docs/ [05:58] anyone using translations with Kubuntu, could you please test the .deb in that ^^ directory to see how the firefox frontpage works for you [05:59] wahoo, it works [06:00] what is that LaserJock? [06:01] kde4 stuff [06:01] not really sure how to tell the difference yet, but I got some stuff to start up anyway [06:01] nixternal: roger [06:02] nixternal: err, can be or cannot be tested in feisty? [06:08] gutsy only [06:08] man, I almost forgot to do my laundry [06:08] I would have had to go to class tomorrow stinkin' [06:09] shame you remembered [06:09] stinky nixternal <3 [06:09] hahah, you are sick === mantha [n=mantha@adsl-75-0-0-49.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:16] wow, cool === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:20] you in kde4 now? [06:21] yeah [06:21] I don't think that uploading to a PPA should close bugs when you have (LP: #xxxxx) in the changelog [06:21] full session [06:21] groovy [06:21] hasn't crashed on you yet? impressive [06:21] nixternal: yeah, file a bug on that if you don't find one [06:22] no, no crashing [06:22] awesome [06:22] I've only used konversation and dolphin so far though [06:23] I wish the kde4 package description had what apps were installed [06:23] I have no idea what I'm doing ;-) [06:24] filed [06:24] they will eventually, that is the descriptions [06:25] take a look at konsole..I really love how crisp the monospace fonts are in KDE 4 compared to KDE 3 [06:25] and gnome for that matter [06:25] alt+f2 is the new krunner app...it is pretty cool [06:25] actually, if you are using beta 1, I don't think krunner works [06:26] KMenu -> Run Program does though I think [06:27] wow, configuration in konsole applies like immediately [06:27] ya [06:28] same as in KDE 3 I believe [06:28] been awhile since I changed the config [06:29] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUoetesHdRU [06:29] :) [06:35] I'm liking the kde4 menu much better [06:36] what's the name of the panel, still kicker? [06:38] right now it is, but it will all be a part of plasma [06:38] the menu, the kicker, and the desktop will all be one app called plasma [06:39] hmm, interesting [06:41] I am wondering about that..if it will be like explorer in windows...if it crashes, it all crashes [06:42] brb, I better get back into a kde3 session before it all explodes around my head ;-) === mantha [n=mantha@adsl-75-0-0-49.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:54]