[12:50] <ryanakca> Hmm. dropping the kubuntu_9902_nspluginviewer_hangs_cpu.diff patch causes FTBFS...
[12:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: run buildprep
[12:52] <Riddell> make -f debian/rules buildprep; debuild
[12:53] <ryanakca> Ah, thanks :)
[01:22] <mhb> pykde4 is mighty hard to compile
[01:23] <allee> mhb: my best wishes are with you :)
[01:23] <mhb> allee: I've tried, but g++ takes 75% of a 1GB RAM, then stops using CPU time and probably freezes in some way
[01:24] <allee> mhb: can you point me to the diff.gz.  My laptop has 2 GB RAM.  Maybe this helps
[01:26] <mhb> allee: I think it needs some time and more skilled amd64 testers... thanks for the offer, though
[01:26] <mhb> :o)
[01:27] <ryanakca> mhb: tried ppa?
[01:29] <allee> mhb: k.  Bedtime here :) Nite
[01:29] <mhb> allee: goodnight
[01:29] <ryanakca> night allee
[01:29] <mhb> ryanakca: no, but I don't think it will help
[01:31] <ryanakca> mhb: is it a ressource problem, or a packaging type? if it's ressources... *shrugs* the ppa probably has more ressources/ram/cpu than your comp does... definetaly has more ressources than mine does
[01:32] <mhb> ryanakca: I don't think it's a resources problem, I think it a code problem.
[01:32] <ryanakca> hmm
[01:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: no buildprep now that I look in rules... which explains why sbuild failed again
[01:56] <mhb> ryanakca: woohoo! it was resources after all ... I never though I would say that, but 1GB RAM is not enough for me (and for pykde4) :o)
[01:57] <ryanakca> hehe
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> mhb: you managed to compile it?
[01:58] <ryanakca> what did you compile it on?
[01:59] <mhb> nosrednaekim: not yet, but I'm progressing
[01:59] <mhb> ryanakca: my computer with swap on .o)
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I gave up when I saw I needed SIP et al. I figured i'd wait till someone (like you!) released a .deb
[02:01] <mhb> nosrednaekim: right.
[02:02] <mhb> nosrednaekim: for some reason, whenever I have a dilemma like this (either sleep or build some cool app), the app wins :o)
[02:02] <ryanakca> hehe
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> what time is it? 2 in the morning>
[02:03] <mhb> good guess, yes, two
[02:03] <nixternal> what is the current state of compiz fusion in our repos? is it worth attempting to document installation for Kubuntu?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: please do, it works fine :)
[02:05] <nixternal> thanks nosrednaekim
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> NP...and I think I can help out by writing a little documentation on how to get XGL working for those of us on the dark side.
[02:06] <nixternal> xgl for ati cards correct?
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[02:06] <nixternal> rock on, if you could write up something in plain text would be fine, unless you are down with docbook
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> yeah. I'll do plain text.
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> is it OK if it has some semi-HTML code in it for where I was the "code" type style?
[02:10] <nixternal> that's fine
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> ok, i'll try to have it to you by tomorrow afternoon.
[02:19] <mhb> whoa! they made some smashing progress on the plasma kicker replacement! :o)
[02:19] <ryanakca> hmm... could someone take a look at http://groupware.kubuntu.co.uk/~ryan/Log_for_failed_build_of_kdebase_3.5.7-1ubuntu18 and give me a couple ideas as to why dpkg-buildpackage dies please?
[02:21] <ryanakca> I'm guessing it's due to the missing libgtk build dep?
[02:21] <mhb> gtk/gtkmain.h:
[02:21] <mhb> No such file or directory
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> mhb: really?is it going to be in beta2?
[02:21] <crimsun> right, you need libgtk2.0-dev at least
[02:22] <ryanakca> Herm. wierd. just a sec
[02:22] <ryanakca> I thought I had removed that patch
[02:24] <ryanakca> thanks
[02:25] <nixternal> compiz on gutsy for me has white borders around everything
[02:25] <nixternal> and I can't get the cube, reflection stuff, none of it to work
[02:26] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I guess it won't, because it's past beta2 tagging. I don't know what's keeping the release, though.
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: did you start emerald?
[02:27] <nixternal> no
[02:27] <nixternal> didn't know I had to
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I guess one could just compile it for itself though.
[02:28] <nixternal> I just did 'compiz --replace'
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: thats the only way I could get it working.
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> install emerald and then run "emerald --replace" after running "compiz"
[02:28] <nixternal> got it
[02:28] <nixternal> ok, somewhat better..no more white borders
[02:29] <ryanakca> emerald-manager should let you change the theme, iirc.... I haven't used compiz/beryl in ages
[02:29] <mhb> nosrednaekim: http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/kde4.png if you want to take a look
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> k
[02:30] <nixternal> ya, you can change the theme...but I can't get the cube to work, nor the reflections
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: run "ccsm"you migth have to turn that stuff on
[02:32] <ryanakca> nixternal: is it enabled in the compiz-fusion manager?
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> mhb: nice... I guess. better than nothing.
[02:33] <mhb> nosrednaekim: compare with this one: http://vizzzion.org/images/blog/xinerama-kde4-beta2.png
[02:34] <mhb> nosrednaekim: ^^ is what beta 2 should contain
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> vizzzion..... hmm whose blog is that?Sebas's?
[02:34] <mhb> yes
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> mhb: WOAH! way too big :)
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> I'd lag out if I tried loading that
[02:36] <nixternal> yes I have it enabled
[02:36] <nixternal> the manager is confusing, and retarded at the same time
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: yeah... the old one was better
[02:38] <ryanakca> nixternal: is it better than the Beryl one? it was nice...
[02:38] <nixternal> well, I think for documentation wise, I am going to link them to documentation instead of trying to write it right now...it is to buggy
[02:39] <ryanakca> yeah
[02:40] <nixternal> no matter what I enable, it isn't working
[02:41] <nixternal> I have to admit though, what is working is kind of cool
[02:42] <crimsun> (he has the vista UI emulator enabled)
[02:42] <nixternal> bah
[02:43] <nixternal> I did find a cool thing, but you have to use all 10 fingers just to use it :)
[02:43] <nixternal> now how do I shut this junk off w/o restarting x?
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: "kwin --replace"
[02:43] <nixternal> oh well...gotta restart x anyways, nice crash
[02:46] <nixternal> sudo apt-get remove that_garbage
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: eh.. I was faster than I thought. I have that XGL tutorial all written up.do you need it?
[02:54] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: how about putting it on the community documentation for the time being?
[02:55] <nixternal> I will give it a shot later on my desktop since I have an ATI Radeon 9700 in it
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> ok. sure.
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> should I include the installation of the ATI drivers?
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: eh...umm... where are the community docs?
[03:08] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[03:08] <nixternal> I think the ATI driver installation is already there, and so is XGL possibly, but if you have a way that works and is better than what is up there, just update then
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> well, the Kubuntu way would be different than the ubuntu way..
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> yech... I hate wikis... oh well :)
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> hmm the ubuntu one is pretty good.
[03:14] <nixternal> ya, I hate them too at times
[03:15] <nixternal> will it work for Kubuntu as well?
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> except it uses gedit.
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> yeah..except for the above.
[03:15] <nixternal> ya, just add some Kubuntu snippets in there
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> two lines really..
[03:20] <nixternal> easy fix then :)
[03:21] <nixternal> I will just aim the docs at it then
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> ok.. cool.
[03:21] <nixternal> with a giant "BEWARE" sign :)
[03:22] <nixternal> hehe
[03:22] <nixternal> shh, he is here now
[03:23] <Jucato> yay kmail works now :)
[03:23] <Jucato> (I think)
[03:23] <nixternal> all but pasting
[03:23] <Jucato> aw.. :(
[03:24] <Jucato> terrible day yesterday :(
[03:24] <nixternal> I just sent this guy $25,000 and he said in a few months he will send me $140,000,000
[03:24] <nixternal> you can't beat that!
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: he wasn't from the Congo was he?
[03:24] <Jucato> O.o
[03:25] <Jucato> yeah, that can't be beaten by 3 days of (almost) non-stop loud, out of tune, karaoke singing from my neighbor...
[03:26] <nixternal> I think so
[03:26] <nixternal> his brother was a King who just died
[03:26] <nixternal> I think the same King who has died a few times a year now :)
[03:26] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: haha
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: but now he is king?
[03:26] <nixternal> Jucato: if my neighbors did such a thing...well can you sing karaoke from your bottom?
[03:26] <Jucato> lol
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> like his neighbors do... sure.
[03:27] <nixternal> I keep getting the same spam messages...spamassassin and bogofilter both stink
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: pipe it through gmail...
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:27] <Jucato> gmail's spam filter is almost perfect... almost...
[03:27] <nixternal> I do, gmail is just as bad
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> really? I haven't gotten anything from it.
[03:27] <nixternal> how is gmails spam filter good for everyone else, but totally stinks like crimsun for me?
[03:27] <Jucato> I only get spam from gmail say.. um... a few times a month?
[03:27] <Jucato> lol
[03:28] <nixternal> I get it umm, say a few times a day
[03:28] <nixternal> actually, no I don't...maybe a few times a week
[03:28] <nixternal> but gmail also blocks a ton of my dev mail as spam
[03:28] <Jucato> hehe I'm so glad I'm not yet subscribed to that many ML's :P
[03:29] <LaserJock> I had to cut back
[03:29] <LaserJock> I figure if I can't manage it with gmail then it's just too much
[03:29] <nixternal> heh
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> everyone hide.. its the gnomefreak.
[03:29] <nixternal> umm?
[03:29] <nixternal> where?
[03:29] <Jucato> ??
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> LaserJock:
[03:29] <Jucato> O.o
[03:29] <Jucato> wrong person?
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> oh.. I wasn't talking about gnomefreak..
[03:30] <LaserJock> nosrednaekim: hehe
[03:32] <nixternal> haha
[03:32] <Jucato> LaserJock: btw, about that Hidden field in an app's .desktop file? I ran into something strange. If I add it to the file in /usr/share/applications/, it hides the menu entry. but if I do so in ~/.local/share/applications/ it doesn't.. I guess I'm missing something
[03:32] <Jucato> aside from a few screws in my head...
[03:33] <nixternal> I can return those screws whenever you need them back
[03:33] <nixternal> my dad is making me a Tux cell phone case..it is going to be so cool
[03:33] <Jucato> wow
[03:34] <LaserJock> Jucato: hmmm
[03:34] <Jucato> oh well... KDE must be doing something funky for the menu... or maybe it's Guh-NOME... dunno :)
[03:35] <LaserJock> nah
[03:36] <LaserJock> .local/share/applications should override /usr/share/applications
[03:37] <LaserJock> unless possibly KDE isn't implementing the menu right
[03:37] <Jucato> hence doing something funky :)
[03:38] <LaserJock> but I think I remember aaron saying it should work
[03:38] <Jucato> heh sometimes it's no fun working on a KDE 3.5.x feature when you know it won't be incorporated anymore :P
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: wiki edit done. feel free to link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[03:39] <nixternal> thanks nosrednaekim!! you rock!
[03:39] <Jucato> um question... is it normal that in a list view (KMail, KGet Show all links, Konqueror), when you filter out a specific set of items, then select them all with Ctrl+A
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> APT!
[03:39] <nixternal> Jucato: are you going to finish that?
[03:40] <Jucato> er...
[03:40] <nixternal> hehe
[03:40] <Jucato> ... all items, even those unfiltered, get selected?
[03:41] <nixternal> I would have to say no
[03:41] <Jucato> no, as in it happens to you too but shouldn't happen? or no, it doesn't happen to you?
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> or no as in it sounds like it shouldn't happen but I have never seen it
[03:43] <Jucato> try it, kmail or konqi in list view...
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: how do you unfilter in list view?
[03:46] <Jucato> did you use the fliter search bar or just the menu?
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> in list view I couldn't see the filter bar
[03:47] <Jucato> ah you have to add it though. or you can use Tools -> Filter
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[03:49] <nixternal> 20:42:11 [ nosrednae]  or no as in it sounds like it shouldn't happen but I have never seen it
[03:49] <nixternal> that one there :)
[03:50] <Jucato> gee... am I always the only one to run into these corner cases? O.o
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: ok... so I tried that... I flitered all but python programs in a DIr out and then ctrl+aed and then right clicked on the python files selected and copied them to anyother DIR. Only the python files wnet
[03:51] <nixternal> Jucato: that is because you mess around with everything :)
[03:52] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: after you select Ctrl+A, reset the Filter so that nothing will get filtered
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> hmm ok
[03:52] <Jucato> nixternal: hahah ;0
[03:52] <Jucato> er.. :)
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> when I reset the filter.... nothing is selected
[03:53] <Jucato> hm.. ok... :)
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> bug maybe?
[03:54] <Jucato> unless it's an intended feature :)
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> its not a bug..... its a FEATURE!
[03:55] <Jucato> ah ok! it only happens if you use the filter text field in the toolbar. doesn't happen if you use the Tools menu
[03:56] <Jucato> the effects in konqueror is a bit... dangerous...
[03:56] <Jucato> screenshot time...
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> ah!
[03:59] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/stuff/filters.png
[03:59] <Jucato> may I direct your attention to the screenshot. both showing the same location...
[03:59] <Jucato> the right panel just shows how many files there are
[03:59] <Tm_T> Jucato: yay, you have lowdotted fonts
[04:00] <Jucato> low dotted?
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: thats scary..
[04:00] <Tm_T> I mean, your font doesnt use many dots really
[04:00] <Jucato> ah.. um... ok...
[04:00] <Tm_T> Jucato: small comparison: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[04:05] <Jucato> hm...
[04:07] <LaserJock> why is there so much kde stuff in -backports?
[04:07] <Tm_T> active development and constant releases?
[04:08] <Jucato> heh and before some were complaining that kde stuff aren't in backports but are in kubuntu.org instead hehehe
[04:08] <LaserJock> seems like it kinda defeats the purpose ot put stuff in -backports
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> LaserJock: what purpose?
[04:09] <LaserJock> well, generally we don't put stuff in -backports that is important
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> KDE4 isn't...
[04:09] <LaserJock> no, there's almost all of kde3 in there as well
[04:10] <LaserJock> or at least it looks like it to me
[04:10] <Jucato> kde updates
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> kde 3.5.7?
[04:10] <Jucato> amarok usually
[04:10] <Tm_T> is it our fault KDE keep releasing bugfixes?
[04:11] <LaserJock> I guess it's mostly koffice I see
[04:11] <LaserJock> and lots of libs
[04:12] <LaserJock> Tm_T: I'm not saying it is
[04:12] <LaserJock> but how much goes into -updates and how much goes to -backports?
[04:15] <Jucato> LaserJock: does -updates accomodate version updates? I mean like KOffice 1.6.3 if the one in main is 1.6.2?
[04:15] <Tm_T> no
[04:16] <Jucato> one reason to use backports then :)
[04:16] <Jucato> or kubuntu.org...
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> here's a nice little kubuntu testimonial.... ya'll rock! http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/08/another-convert.html
[04:18] <Jucato> :)
[04:18] <Tm_T> <3
[04:18] <Jucato> :3
[04:26] <LaserJock> hmm, why does kde4base-dev pull in stuff like kdepimlibs5, et. al ?
[04:26] <Tm_T> because it depends on it
[04:26] <Tm_T> KDE4 has nice integration stuff related to any personal information
[04:26] <Jucato> because kde*libs5 is for KDE 4
[04:27] <Jucato> blame Debian's naming
[04:27] <holycow> aha!
[04:27] <holycow> hey dudes
[04:27] <holycow> nice work on including kbfx in kubuntu
[04:27] <holycow> thats one kickass menuing app
[04:27] <holycow> does anyone reember how to enable kdm themes?
[04:27] <holycow> can someone tell me why they are disabled?
[04:28] <Jucato> !changethemes | holycow
[04:28] <ubotu> holycow: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[04:28] <Jucato> last link ^^^
[04:28] <Jucato> btw, Kubuntu uses a KDM theme by default. so it isn't disabled
[04:28] <Tm_T> holycow: btw this is not support channel ;)
[04:28] <holycow> i know its not a support channel, did i ask HOW to customize ubuntu?
[04:28] <holycow> i asked WHY  devel decision was made however
[04:29] <Jucato> [10:27]  <holycow> does anyone reember how to enable kdm themes?
[04:29] <Tm_T> muhahah
[04:29] <holycow> just curious if there some technical issue i should be aware of
[04:29] <LaserJock> I meant though that I thought that kde4base would be just the basics and that kdepim would depend on it, not hte other way around
[04:29] <Jucato> sounds like a "how" to me...
[04:29] <Jucato> holycow: again, kdm themes are not disabled
[04:29] <Tm_T> LaserJock: well kdepimlibs is part of KDE4 basics
[04:29] <holycow> lol you right, that was ahow meant more as a why .. but alas
[04:30] <Jucato> LaserJock: er no. kdepimlibs is different from kdepim
[04:30] <holycow> ah could be maybe this distupgrade then. interesting, when i tried it last night they were
[04:30] <holycow> you had to read a readme on it
[04:30] <holycow> today that popup is gone but kdm themes aren't applied
[04:30] <holycow> okay good to know
[04:31] <manchicken> I wonder if kdepim folks know that there are two meta-a accessors in the Edit Contact screen....
[04:31] <Tm_T> manchicken: where?
[04:31] <manchicken> In "Edit Contact", if you hit meta-a, you'll see that there are two matches found.
[04:31] <Tm_T> in what part?
[04:31] <Tm_T> kaddressbook?
[04:32] <manchicken> The "Add" button under the phone numbers, and then the "Apply" button.
[04:32] <manchicken> kabc
[04:32] <Tm_T> hmmm
[04:32] <Jucato> ah yes
[04:32] <Tm_T> let me check whats here
[04:32] <Jucato> accessors = accelerator/hot keys... didn't get that one immediately :)
[04:33] <Tm_T> manchicken: hmm, in US English that is?
[04:34] <Jucato> Add (under the Home, Work, Mobile number fields) and Apply (beside OK and Cancel)
[04:34] <Tm_T> US English that is?
[04:35] <nosrednaekim> Tm_T: ALT I think..
[04:35] <Jucato> that is what? O.o
[04:35] <Tm_T> ?
[04:35] <Tm_T> Jucato: in what language?
[04:35] <Jucato> US
[04:36] <Tm_T> thanks
[04:36] <Tm_T> can you try with british?
[04:37] <manchicken> Tm_T: Yeah
[04:37] <manchicken> ALT, yes.
[04:38] <Jucato> not exactly sure how I would go about that though....
[04:38] <Tm_T> run app like KDE_LANG=en_GB kate
[04:39] <Jucato> or kaddressbook?
[04:39] <Tm_T> yup
[04:39] <Tm_T> follow the pattern ;)
[04:40] <Jucato> I don't haveUS English
[04:40] <Jucato> er
[04:40] <Jucato> sorry
[04:40] <Tm_T> en_GB, cy and fi
[04:40] <Jucato> nothing changed.. mabye I don't have en_GB?
[04:40] <Tm_T> you have to install lang packs ofcourse :)
[04:50] <Jucato> Tm_T: taking a looong time hahaha
[04:50] <Tm_T> hrrr
[04:51] <Jucato> downloading the English language
[04:57] <nosrednaekim> I can be heard here.
[04:58] <Jucato> Tm_T: still the same... after en_GB
[04:58] <nosrednaekim> Tm_T: you...
[04:58] <Tm_T> Jucato: interesting
[04:59] <Tm_T> Jucato: btw this channel has been quiet lately :(
[04:59] <Jucato> yeah :(
[05:00] <LaserJock> well, I could ask more questions, but I figured you guys were tired of me
[05:00] <LaserJock> ;-)
[05:00] <nosrednaekim> nope... we aren't tired of you.
[05:01] <Jucato> LaserJock: us? tired of you? when?
[05:03] <LaserJock> kdebase includes kate and konqi right?
[05:03] <Jucato> for kde3, yes
[05:04] <LaserJock> and kde4base for kde4
[05:04] <Jucato> kate's gone in kde4
[05:04] <Jucato> only kwrite remains...
[05:04] <nosrednaekim> from kde4base, yea
[05:04] <nosrednaekim> not from KDE..
[05:04] <LaserJock> what?
[05:04] <LaserJock> where is kate then?
[05:04] <Jucato> sorry. I meant.
[05:05] <Jucato> kate is not in kdebase in kde4 anymore
[05:05] <Jucato> it's in kdesdk
[05:05] <stdin> it's not gone, it's just moved in to the kde4sdk package for some unknown reason :p
[05:05] <nosrednaekim> thats an odd place to put it.
[05:06] <Jucato> it isnt really...
[05:06] <Jucato> but I'd prefer it to be the default text editor anyway
[05:07] <LaserJock> ok, so I got kde4base, kde4edu, and now kde4sdk is installing
[05:42] <manchicken> I really like dolphin.
[05:43] <Jucato> good for you :)
[05:43] <Jucato> I'm wondering if dolphin will have a right-click to Compress service menu :(
[05:44] <nixternal> make one!
[05:44] <Jucato> don't know how :)
[05:44] <nixternal> Commando is the greatest movie ever!
[05:44] <Jucato> I thought you were going to say Kommando hahah
[05:45] <nixternal> I should have
[05:46] <nixternal> that is my old chinchilla's name
[05:47] <Jucato> ok starving... later :)
[05:47] <Jucato> much much later
[05:48] <nixternal> hehe
[05:57] <manchicken> Any python apps with bugs that need squishing?  I could use to play with Python a bit.
[05:57] <nixternal> ya, same here actually
[05:57] <nixternal> Riddell: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kubuntu-docs/
[05:58] <nixternal> anyone using translations with Kubuntu, could you please test the .deb in that ^^ directory to see how the firefox frontpage works for you
[05:59] <LaserJock> wahoo, it works
[06:00] <nixternal> what is that LaserJock?
[06:01] <LaserJock> kde4 stuff
[06:01] <LaserJock> not really sure how to tell the difference yet, but I got some stuff to start up anyway
[06:01] <Tm_T> nixternal: roger
[06:02] <Tm_T> nixternal: err, can be or cannot be tested in feisty?
[06:08] <nixternal> gutsy only
[06:08] <nixternal> man, I almost forgot to do my laundry
[06:08] <nixternal> I would have had to go to class tomorrow stinkin'
[06:09] <Tm_T> shame you remembered
[06:09] <Tm_T> stinky nixternal <3
[06:09] <nixternal> hahah, you are sick
[06:16] <mantha> wow, cool
[06:20] <nixternal> you in kde4 now?
[06:21] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:21] <nixternal> I don't think that uploading to a PPA should close bugs when you have (LP: #xxxxx) in the changelog
[06:21] <LaserJock> full session
[06:21] <nixternal> groovy
[06:21] <nixternal> hasn't crashed on you yet? impressive
[06:21] <LaserJock> nixternal: yeah, file a bug on that if you don't find one
[06:22] <LaserJock> no, no crashing
[06:22] <nixternal> awesome
[06:22] <LaserJock> I've only used konversation and dolphin so far though
[06:23] <LaserJock> I wish the kde4 package description had what apps were installed
[06:23] <LaserJock> I have no idea what I'm doing ;-)
[06:24] <nixternal> filed
[06:24] <nixternal> they will eventually, that is the descriptions
[06:25] <nixternal> take a look at konsole..I really love how crisp the monospace fonts are in KDE 4 compared to KDE 3
[06:25] <nixternal> and gnome for that matter
[06:25] <nixternal> alt+f2 is the new krunner app...it is pretty cool
[06:25] <nixternal> actually, if you are using beta 1, I don't think krunner works
[06:26] <nixternal> KMenu -> Run Program does though I think
[06:27] <LaserJock> wow, configuration in konsole applies like immediately
[06:27] <nixternal> ya
[06:28] <nixternal> same as in KDE 3 I believe
[06:28] <nixternal> been awhile since I changed the config
[06:29] <nixternal> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUoetesHdRU
[06:29] <nixternal> :)
[06:35] <LaserJock> I'm liking the kde4 menu much better
[06:36] <LaserJock> what's the name of the panel, still kicker?
[06:38] <nixternal> right now it is, but it will all be a part of plasma
[06:38] <nixternal> the menu, the kicker, and the desktop will all be one app called plasma
[06:39] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[06:41] <nixternal> I am wondering about that..if it will be like explorer in windows...if it crashes, it all crashes
[06:42] <LaserJock> brb, I better get back into a kde3 session before it all explodes around my head ;-)
[06:54] <LaserJock> nixternal: does kopete do jabber? I don't see anything
[06:55] <nixternal> ys
[06:55] <nixternal> yes
[06:55] <LaserJock> kopete from kde4 I mean
[06:55] <nixternal> I don't see why it wouldn't
[06:57] <LaserJock> hmm, don't see it
[06:57] <LaserJock> no gtalk either
[07:00] <Jucato> kopete for KDE 4 is unfinished afaik. you're going to have to use the KDE 3 version
[07:00] <LaserJock> yeah, noticed it was kinda touchy
[07:01] <Jucato> no official word about it yet though... I think
[08:01] <LaserJock> what are .kss files?
[08:03] <Jucato> wild guess... stylesheets?
[08:03] <Jucato> er no.. screensaver
[08:04] <Jucato> LaserJock: it seems to be a KDE ScreenSaver
[08:04] <LaserJock> oh, interesting
[09:32] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:41] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I think it would be nice to have dolphin include the "^ Up" button now that we're using it default. Konqueror had this button on by default
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I can provide a patch for it, if you like.
[09:57] <_StefanS_> hey Hobbsee
[09:59] <Hobbsee> hiya _StefanS_
[10:03] <_StefanS_> anyone know of a good linux bluetooth dongle?
[10:05] <Lure> Riddell: some complains by seigo in comment about ubuntu vs. kubuntu: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/08/another-convert.html
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Lure: those comments arent really valid anymore since we got the restricted-drivers manager for kde (?) right
[10:17] <Lure> _StefanS_: not sure really - I was not offered restroicted-extras through restricted-manager
[10:18] <Lure> _StefanS_: it might be something missing
[10:18] <Lure> _StefanS_: I am more concerned about voiced opinion that kubuntu is 2nd class
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Lure: well thats his opinion.. I was never too fond of Seigo
[10:20] <hunger> Lure: That is a valid complaint IMHO.
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Lure: guess he should just use SuSE instead, and have fun with Yast2.
[10:20] <Lure> _StefanS_: I like the fact that kubuntu is used by many kde developers and messages by such opinion makers as seigo are important (imho)
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Lure: well, I was offered to install GPIO drivers through the restricted drivers manager, so I dont really see it not working
[10:21] <Lure> _StefanS_: yep, need to check ubuntu CD sometime to see the delta...
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Lure: maybe he just used feisty where the restricted manager is not present
[10:22] <_StefanS_> donno..
[10:22] <Lure> _StefanS_: I am sure he used feisty
[10:23] <mhb> multimedia issue is a problematic one
[10:23] <_StefanS_> mhb: well dont know if you could make some placeholders for all calls to media decoders, and notify that way
[10:23] <_StefanS_> mhb: much like the redhat + mp3 issue
[10:24] <_StefanS_> mhb: albeit it was simple in comparison, I know ;)
[10:24] <mhb> actually, the problem is not caused by Kubuntu that much. You see, I talked with kaffeine devs the other day in #kaffeine the other day, and of course they would like to see that, and of course not for KDE3
[10:26] <mhb> and a volunteer project like Kubuntu will not likely find someone who will code it up even though he knows that he would have to code it again very soon
[10:26] <mhb> ahh, complicated sentences :o) I like those.
[10:27] <_StefanS_> err, I think I know what you mean.. maintenance
[10:31] <Hobbsee> does someone want to do some work on kdenetwork bugs?
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: pick me pick me :D
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I can help probably :)
[10:34] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: yay!
[10:34] <_StefanS_> wooohoo
[10:34] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: fix, find patches, etc
[10:34] <_StefanS_> what needs to be done?
[10:37] <Hobbsee> cut down the bug list, find patches
[10:37] <Hobbsee> file/link the upstream counterparts
[10:39] <_StefanS_> seems like not all applies to gutsy
[10:40] <Hobbsee> no, but the kdenetwork module hasnt changed very much, either
[10:42] <_StefanS_> how would we fix that high kpppd bug that applies to 6.06LTS?
[10:44] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: locate kppp.README.Debian and read it
[10:45] <Jucato> _StefanS_: no need for an up arrow in Dolphin. that's what the crumb bar toolbar (or whatever is it's official name) is for
[10:45] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: but yeah, it would be good if we could just enable it by default.  i'm not sure why we dont, etc.
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Jucato: my wife didnt know what to do. She was used to konqy's Up button. I think the usuability it broken
[10:46] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: hardly anyone touches teh bug list, etc, so it all gets ignored.
[10:46] <_StefanS_> it/is
[10:47] <Jucato> imho, just  needs a way of doing things. Dolphin isn't Konqueror...
[10:47] <Jucato> although yes, it does invovle change, which is more difficult for some (of us... :( )
[10:48] <_StefanS_> an Up button wouldn't hurt IMHO
[10:48] <_StefanS_> I miss it too
[10:49] <Jucato> re: aseigo's comment, just because a feature is in gutsy, and just because he's using feisty to install on a relative's computer makes the comment invalid. there are still 2 months until that becomes invalid, and even by then not everyone will be immediately using Gutsy :)
[10:49] <Jucato> of course, someone should tell him about new things to look forward to in Gutsy :)
[10:50] <Jucato> anyway, off to buy food. I'm starving...
[10:51] <Jucato> hunger: you can't restore either
[10:51] <Jucato> thanks for reminding me of that issue. forgot to note it down...
[10:51] <_StefanS_> I would be too dangerous to have the users emptying trash all the time. They might loose something :D
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I got my 24" screen btw,  damn its large :)
[10:52] <Jucato> _StefanS_: yay!! heeheh
[10:52] <Jucato> I would need a bigger room to have a monitor that big
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yeah it does take up some space !
[10:52] <Jucato> btw, the fact that by default Dolphin doesn't ask you whether you want to move to trash or not doesn't help
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Jucato: but the resolution is just great
[10:53] <hunger> I always catch people emptying the trash as soon as they delete something because it is so untidy to have the full trashcan icon.
[10:53] <Jucato> lol
[10:53] <Jucato> silly people
[10:53] <hunger> Jucato: Not silly, just tidy.
[10:54] <_StefanS_> hmm who decided to switch to dolphin anyways?
[10:54] <_StefanS_> I thought it was something we were doing for kde4
[10:54] <Jucato> Tonio did I think...
[10:54] <Jucato> as a "transition" to KDE 4...
[10:54] <Jucato> (if that's the case we could have also switched to kwrite by default...)
[10:54] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well thats great, but isn't the kde3 version of dolphin like ages behind kde4 version?
[10:55] <Jucato> we are using the D3lphin version...
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Jucato: is that better?
[10:55] <Jucato> https://marrat.homelinux.org/D3lphin
[10:55] <_StefanS_> im there.. is it an effort to match kde4 features?
[10:56] <Jucato> if it is, it's far behind...
[10:56] <Jucato> oooh we're only using 0.9.1
[10:56] <Jucato> 0.9.2 fixes my sidebar issue
[10:57] <_StefanS_> I'm just concerned that the impact on usuability is left further behind even compared to konqy. I think the kioslaves are particulary slow
[10:57] <Jucato> but if manchicken loves it. hehehe
[10:57] <_StefanS_> he does?
[10:57] <Jucato> [11:42]  <manchicken> I really like dolphin.
[10:57] <Jucato> 5 hours ago hehehe
[10:57] <_StefanS_> he must be on overdose because he got a new laptop... he's not paying attention
[10:58] <Jucato> strange though, Dolphin's main raison d'etre is to be a more usable file manager. I guess usability still means different things for some people :)
[10:58] <Jucato> but the Up botton is not really a big issue imho...
[10:58] <Jucato> anyway, I'm really starving... brb
[10:59] <norsetto> anyone on kubuntu/i386 willing to test bug 137222? Hobbsee is excused :-)
[10:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137222 in adept "Adept description field is wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137222
[11:00] <mhb> Hobbsee: is it the new policy to mark bugs as invalid instead of incomplete?
[11:00] <mhb> Hobbsee: when a crash log is incomplete
[11:02] <Hobbsee> mhb: now that we ahve apport and such, it seems to be changed to a "please rereport if you find this again"
[11:04] <Riddell> viviersf: pong
[11:04] <Riddell> _StefanS_: dolphin has buttons for the directories in its address bar
[11:05] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yes, I know. But like I said its not that apparent to all users
[11:05] <_StefanS_> Riddell: and having the Up really makes it resemble what you are used to
[11:05] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I trying to make a strong case :D
[11:17] <Jucato> and dolphin devs will try to make a strong counter case too hehehe
[11:48] <Riddell> mhb: did you have a fix for pyqt dbus?
[12:30] <mhb> Riddell: I guess so
[12:30] <mhb> Riddell: should I make a debdiff? Is dokos reasoning known yet?
[12:30] <Riddell> mhb: I've not spoken to hi about it
[12:30] <Lure> Riddell: latest revert of pop3 mess does not build :-(
[12:31] <Riddell> mhb: make a debdiff and I'll show it to him
[12:31] <Riddell> Lure: arg
[12:31] <Lure> Riddell: will need to hunt guys in #kontact for proper build fix
[12:31] <Lure> Riddell: if this will not be done today, I will work at least on paste bug-fix backport
[12:31] <Lure> Riddell: as otherwise the version in gutsy does not crash anymore
[12:32] <Riddell> mhb: do you think that the python fork pty issue is much worse in gutsy than it was in edgy or feisty?
[12:32] <mhb> Riddell: I have mailed him, but he has not replied
[12:32] <Lure> Riddell: general problem with enterprise branch: they add new features (=large commits) daily, so they break different stuff quite often
[12:32] <mhb> Riddell: I think it is essential to have a graphical dist-upgrade working
[12:33] <Riddell> viviersf: do you have a time when you expect to use the enterprise packages in a release?
[12:33] <Riddell> mhb: that wasn't what I asked :)
[12:34] <Riddell> mhb: I tested the feisty->gutsy upgrade on my 600MB memory machine and it worked for the upgrade, but crashed without of memory when it did the remove packages (which forks a second konsole pty)
[12:35] <mhb> Riddell: right. It was no problem pre-edgy. Edgy-Feisty graphical upgrade worked because of the magic fix nobody knows. The users have not tried Feisty-Gutsy much. Gutsy is also affected in gdebi-kde, so one can say it is twice as worse :o)
[12:35] <mhb> Riddell: if I devote the whole weekend on fixing it, would that be a problem?
[12:35] <Lure> Riddell: the fix for python-qt4-dbus should be simple (just missing links) so I am not sure why we are waiting
[12:35] <Riddell> mhb: but forking a konsole pty in edgy does also use up a large chunk of memory doesn't it?
[12:36] <Riddell> mhb: not at all, but where would you start?  I'm pretty much out of ideas myself
[12:36] <Lure> Riddell: if we are talking about kblueplugd issue ;-)
[12:36] <Riddell> mhb: I compiled all the edgy packages on gutsy yesterday and it didn't make any difference
[12:36] <mhb> Riddell: I will try to hunt the red herring - the magic "KWriteD" line that doesnt appear in Gutsy but does in the magically fixed Edgy
[12:37] <Riddell> Lure: because it was broken when doko fixed the packaging on the package and we're worried he had a good reason to do it that way
[12:37] <mhb> Riddell: at first I thought it is simply not written anymore, but I think I saw a kDebug still there
[12:37] <Lure> Riddell: right, I have seen his complaint about merge in last developer report
[12:38] <mhb> Riddell: I am sorry I cant participate much in this bug squashing week - for the next three days I have to take part in some uni-preparation camping nonsense :o)
[12:39] <Jucato> anyone know how to make Dolphin/D3lphin servicemenus or where to put them? :(
[12:39] <Riddell> mhb: I'm not sure if kwrited is relevant, it's a daemon that lets you send messages to other user's ptys
[12:39] <Riddell> Jucato: /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/
[12:39] <Jucato> thanks
[12:39] <Riddell> mhb: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2003/01/msg00582.html
[12:40] <Riddell> looks like allee knows all
[12:41] <mhb> Riddell: I know it could be a red herring, but it is the only starting point I have
[12:45] <mhb> perhaps the all-knowing allee helps .o)
[12:47] <Riddell> mhb: it's annoying how this only happens with pykde, if it happened in c++ code it would be easier to use valgrind or the like
[12:50] <viviersf> Riddell, the gutsy one is starting now. Should be dont in 30 mins
[12:56] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, looks like the libgtk build-dep is still needed for KDE base
[12:56] <Riddell> ryanakca: ?
[12:56] <Riddell> why?
[12:57] <ryanakca> (nsplugin)
[12:57] <Riddell> did you remove the patch and run buildprep
[12:57] <ryanakca> yep, and as for buildprep, there's no buildprep in the rules unless you just added it
[12:58] <Riddell> yes there is, it's there for all kde packages from cdbs's kde.mk
[12:58] <Riddell> and runless you run that, it will still think it needs gtk
[12:58] <Riddell> make -f debian/rules buildprp
[12:58] <Riddell> make -f debian/rules buildprep
[12:58] <Riddell> debuild
[12:59] <ryanakca> Ah. it needs to be run with sudo... sorry, my bad
[12:59] <Jucato> I can't seem to add any service menu to d3lphin, although it works in konqi... :(
[12:59] <ryanakca> Just figured out what the 'id -u = 0' meant
[12:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: use fakeroot
[01:00] <Riddell> Jucato: you put it in the d3lphin directory presumably?
[01:00] <Jucato> yes
[01:00] <Jucato> in the directory you mentioned. here's the service menu: http://jucato.org/stuff/compress.desktop
[01:00] <Jucato> currently dolphin doesn't have one to compress files (as tar.gz and tar.bz2 only )
[01:02] <Riddell> Jucato: all/all -> all/allfiles
[01:02] <Jucato> but that would exclude directories too, right?
[01:03] <Riddell> Jucato: there's already a Compress Here option for directories
[01:04] <Jucato> hm.. oh ok :)
[01:04] <ryanakca> Riddell: I supposed 'debuild -S -sa -kE95EDDC9' would work instead of 'debuild'?
[01:05] <ryanakca> s/supposed/suppose/
[01:05] <Jucato> Riddell: yay thanks! that worked. I guess all/all conflicts with the inode/directory service menus (ark_compress and _extract)?
[01:06] <Riddell> ryanakca: you don't need -sa since this isn't a new .orig, and if you put your name and e-mail in the changelog then it should use your gpg key automatically
[01:06] <Riddell> Jucato: dunno, it was just a guess :)
[01:06] <Jucato> Riddell: lol! smart guess :)
[01:06] <ryanakca> ok, thanks
[01:06] <Jucato> now to figure out how to have a Restore from trash feature...
[01:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: that's exciting, think of all the new things you'll learn
[01:07] <ryanakca> Hehe :D
[01:07] <Jucato> hehe
[01:09] <ryanakca> Riddell: herm. do you want me to send you the current bzr diff, so you can work/commit today, or do I have time to/can I finish tonight
[01:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: tonight is fine
[01:11] <Jucato> Anyway, Compress service menu here http://jucato.org/kde/compress.desktop if anyone likes/needs to use it or put it in Kubuntu :)
[01:12] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies, thanks :)
[01:13] <Riddell> Jucato: thanks, I'll add that
[01:24] <mhb> _Sime: can I do something for pykde4 to make that error I poked you about last night disappear?
[01:25] <Riddell> you're probably better asking on the pykde list
[01:26] <_Sime> mhb: which error?
[01:26] <mhb> _Sime: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/680910
[01:27] <mhb> _Sime: some int/ssize_t edits make it go away, but I'm not sure if it's the right thing to do
[01:27] <mhb> amd64 arch
[01:28] <_Sime> which python version?
[01:28] <mhb> 2.5.1
[01:30] <_Sime> post it to the mailing list
[01:30] <mhb> right.
[01:30] <mhb> thank you
[01:32] <mhb> the pyqt@riverbank one?
[01:32] <_Sime> yes
[01:32] <mhb> thanks, just making sure :o)
[01:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee|Remote: ping
[01:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee|Remote: are we having a meeting today?
[01:35] <Hobbsee|Remote> Riddell: oh....curses!
[01:35] <Hobbsee|Remote> i *knew* i was forgetting something of importance!
[01:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee|Remote: what time?
[01:38] <Hobbsee|Remote> Riddell: i never emailed the ML at all.
[01:39] <Riddell> best do it now then
[01:39] <Riddell> or I can do it if you want
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: would you prefer a night meeting, or sometime during the day?
[01:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I don't mind
[01:42] <Riddell> whenever you can make it
[01:43] <mhb> who's got a meeting?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> mhb: kubuntu developers.
[01:44] <mhb> oh really?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ideally, + 12 hours, but that makes it quite late for you guys.
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: 1300 UTC thursday would be nice from my end
[01:45] <Hobbsee> but that may be hard for europe.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> well, not early
[01:47] <mhb> hmm, I won't be there wednesday/thursday, but I have been on far too many meetings in a row anyway :o)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> mhb: away?
[01:49] <mhb> yeah, some crazy uni preparation camping
[01:50] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:50] <Hobbsee> yay, uni.
[02:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well pick a time and stick to it
[02:05] <Hobbsee|Remote> Riddell: can you do 1300 utc thursday?
[02:06] <Hobbsee|Remote> Riddell: i didnt want to pick something that the majority fo people cant get to
[02:08] <Riddell> I can sure
[02:11] <Jucato> hm... I'm worried about trash:/ in Dolphin... and since I have no idea how it's implemented in the first place... :(
[02:11] <Hobbsee|Remote> Riddell: great :)
[02:13] <Jucato> !schedule
[02:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:13] <Jucato> er.. nvm.
[02:18] <sahin_w> Lure: Have you uploaded the new kdepim packages to somewhere?
[02:28] <_StefanS_> what about bumping dolphin to 0.9.2 - anyone working on that?
[02:29] <Jucato> yay you asked about that heheh
[02:29] <Jucato> saves me from beind told "submit a debdiff" :P
[02:29] <_StefanS_> heh
[02:29] <_StefanS_> i almost it packaged anyways
[02:30] <_StefanS_> have it
[02:30] <Jucato> although I did realize that you can edit the Bookmarks sidebar, but no drag & drop..
[02:30] <Jucato> I'm still a bit uneasy about Trash management in D3lphin though...
[02:31] <Riddell> _StefanS_: would be great if you packaged it, please include Jucato's compress.desktop too
[02:31] <_StefanS_> it has no mgmt?
[02:31] <Riddell> Jucato: that seems like the last notable issue with it
[02:31] <_StefanS_> right, i'll look at it
[02:31] <Jucato> _StefanS_: basically you can't restore and empty from trash:/
[02:32] <Jucato> you can Empty only from the applet or in Konqueror
[02:32] <Jucato> Riddell: seems like it. otherwise I'm satisfied :)
[02:32] <Jucato> (finally satisfied, that is, heh!)
[02:34] <Jucato> _StefanS_: http://jucato.org/kde/compress.desktop for the service menu. rename it if needed :)
[02:36] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[02:37] <Riddell> hi viviersf
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Lure: for soundconverter, is the source ready for uploading, from your ppa?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Lure: oh, it's still got a ppa version
[02:41] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ok thanks, I will include it
[02:43] <Jucato> _StefanS_: thanks... although I'm thinking of other issues with it as well... although limitations with ark's command line options
[02:43] <Jucato> I just thought of a use case: what if in, in a directory, there are 5 subdirectories and 5 files, but the user wants to only compress 3 files and 1 or 2 directories. that would be impossible right now with Dolphin. :(
[02:48] <nixternal> Riddell: I put up a doc update in my PPA if you didn't catch that
[02:49] <Riddell> nixternal: I didn't, should I upload?
[02:52] <nixternal> yes, I have 1 week left until string freeze and I am trying to get a jump on translations
[02:52] <viviersf> Riddell, okay newest kontact is built
[02:52] <viviersf> seems to work fine
[02:52] <nixternal> http://ppa.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kubuntu-docs/
[02:54] <Riddell> Lure: seen that ^^
[02:55] <Riddell> viviersf: are you able to give Lure access?
[02:55] <viviersf> yeah sure
[02:55] <viviersf> he can just ping me when hes here
[02:55] <viviersf> Riddell, my version is 3.5.6 still tho
[02:55] <viviersf> but he can aptitude install to test it :)
[03:16] <Kuhrscher> Hmm, is definitively nobody willing to do this little favor for us translators: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-August/001903.html
[03:16] <Kuhrscher> :(
[03:18] <Riddell> we are, alas, not overflowing with developers
[03:19] <nixternal> I don't even see upstream translators in the about dialogs now
[03:19] <_StefanS_> Jucato: basic dolphin 0.9.2 package seems to work now. Just need existing patches and your compress servicemenu integrated.
[03:20] <mhb> Kuhrscher: heh, you force the Rosetta folks to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/46982 and I will do that for you :o)
[03:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [High,In progress] 
[03:20] <nixternal> mhb: hahaha
[03:20] <nixternal> or better yet, get um to start translating the Kubuntu docs :)
[03:21] <mhb> nixternal: because of this bug, our (Czech) translations are full of "BROKEN TRANSLATION" strings whenever there is a plural form
[03:21] <Jucato> _StefanS_: great! trying to figure out the Restore from Trash code between D3lphin and Dolphin in KDE 4...
[03:21] <nixternal> that bug is still about?
[03:21] <_StefanS_> Jucato: great, do send me the patch once you find it.
[03:21] <nixternal> jeesh
[03:21] <Jucato> is there a quick and dirty way to compile and test patches? w/o pbuilder and stuff? :(
[03:21] <_StefanS_> Jucato: debuild?
[03:22] <Jucato> hm.. ok never used that before hehe
[03:22] <mhb> nixternal: yes, and if nobody actually explains to the Rosetta folks we're being laughed at for this, it won't be fixed in Gutsy either
[03:22] <Jucato> almost tempted to use checkinstall hehehe
[03:22] <_StefanS_> Jucato: think its in devscripts
[03:22] <nixternal> where at in kdelibs would something like this go anyways?
[03:23] <Jucato> if only users (konqueror lovers) could see how much libkonq stuff dolphin uses... :)
[03:23] <Jucato> oh how I love Sho_'s split views in Yakuake :)
[03:23] <nixternal> hehe
[03:25] <Jucato> er.. another quick question... when I apt-get source dolphin, does it apply the debian/patches/ to the source code already?
[03:25] <_StefanS_> nope
[03:25] <_StefanS_> only after debuild
[03:25] <Jucato> aw shucks...
[03:25] <_StefanS_> just do sudo apt-get build-dep dolphin to have all the stuff you need to build it
[03:25] <nixternal> ahh, kaboutdata.cpp and kaboutdata.h
[03:27] <Jucato> _StefanS_: doing that now...
[03:27] <Jucato> argh I hate these cramming/crash courses... makes me so tense :)
[03:28] <Kuhrscher> nixternal: I fear we will never get this bug fixed.
[03:28] <_StefanS_> Jucato: its always like that
[03:28] <Kuhrscher> I meant mhb not nixternal ;-)
[03:32] <mhb> Kuhrscher: haha, yes. Do you know where the translation dialog is defined?
[03:32] <Kuhrscher> mhb, nixternal: At the moment I am the only one in german translation team who works on all the Kubuntu stuff. But at the moment I am so frustrated that I am about to give up... :(
[03:32] <Kuhrscher> mhb: yes, sure
[03:32] <Kuhrscher> one moment
[03:33] <Kuhrscher> kdelibs/kdecore/kaboutdata.cpp
[03:34] <nixternal> yes, but wouldn't that mean we would have to add a line in each application for translators then?
[03:34] <Kuhrscher> https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/133817
[03:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133817 in rosetta "Make KDE translation credits nicer" [Medium,In progress] 
[03:36] <Kuhrscher> nixternals: Have a look at the Ubuntu dialog. For more or less the same result, we just need to add a new section into kaboutdata.cpp where the launchpad translators could get listed.
[03:37] <nixternal> that's no problem, but where are the translators getting listed? I have opened up 4 apps and looked at the about dialog and haven't seen one mention of translation
[03:37] <Kuhrscher> nixternal: In the about-dialog?
[03:38] <mhb> nixternal: aren't you using english?
[03:38] <Kuhrscher> In german it is called "bersetzer"
[03:38] <nixternal> mhb: ahh, that's why
[03:39] <nixternal> don't look like it would be that difficult of a fix
[03:39] <Riddell> if you're using english no translators will be listed
[03:39] <Riddell> it adds another tab
[03:39] <Riddell> british english should work
[03:39] <Riddell> hi Stecchino, were you going to send me a more complete proposal?
[03:40] <nixternal> Riddell: I can take a look at it later today if you would like...don't think I will have many questions really on implementing this with a patch
[03:40] <Kuhrscher> nixternal: Would be great :)
[03:40] <Stecchino> I was planning to but then the questions started coming and just put most of it in there
[03:40] <nixternal> OK, I am going to go learn how to program incorrectly in java now (darn US education system)
[03:41] <nixternal> bbiab
[03:41] <Kuhrscher> nixteral: in bug 133817 I posted a design proposal and a screenshot :)
[03:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133817 in rosetta "Make KDE translation credits nicer" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133817
[03:41] <Stecchino> Riddell: any more detailed then I put in the questions would be concerning budget and such...
[03:46] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, it seems you would need to patch kdecore/kaboutdata.cpp, adding a new method for LP translations
[03:46] <mhb> nixternal: then, call this method inside ./kdeui/kaboutapplication.cpp I guess
[03:49] <mhb> Kuhrscher: by the way, Rosetta puts the information in there automagically? Is it possible to "tell" her that it should put the translations into another msgstr?
[03:50] <Kuhrscher> mhb: I don't exactly kown this is handeled. I talked with Danilos about this issue. He definitvely knows.
[03:53] <Jucato> _StefanS_: sorry to bother you. I've installed dolphin's build-deps and devscripts. so basically I run "debuil -rfakeroot binary" in the source directory?
[03:59] <bddebian> Heya
[04:01] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[04:01] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:02] <Jucato> :)
[04:02] <Jucato> hm... so basically D3lphin has no context for Trash.. great! :/
[04:18] <Riddell> Stecchino: I don't think that's necessary
[04:18] <Mez> I have no idea why it's refusing to play a free format
[04:19] <Jucato> my head's gonna explode with Dolphin... :/
[04:19] <ScottK> Hobbsee: What month are we in right now?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ScottK: er....darn.
[04:20] <ScottK> OK.  I figured this was better than a snarky reply on the mailing list.
[04:21] <ubuntu> 2007!
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ScottK: fixed :P
[04:22] <ScottK> Cool.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ubuntu, no, it's 2009.
[04:22] <Jucato> ...
[04:22] <ubuntu> Oh did I nod off?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> yes.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> at least, it is here in australia.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> you people are just backwards.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, thanks
[04:37] <Jucato> ah 9pm..
[04:44] <ubuntu> 200-9 PM
[04:57] <nixternal> 1300 ey
[04:57] <nixternal> I will be able to make it for the first hour
[04:58] <Hobbsee> hopefully the meeting is only an hour regardless.
[04:58] <nixternal> true
[05:00] <nixternal> OK, everything is crashing here
[05:00] <nixternal> kded and konqueror
[05:00] <nixternal> I am getting some weird line horizontally across the screen as well
[05:08] <seele> anyone going to boston?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> seele: Riddell probably is
[05:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when does the sponsorship list come out?
[05:09] <Riddell> goodness knows
[05:09] <Riddell> I was told to supply e-mail addresses by last week
[05:09] <Jucato> ah UDS.. :(
[05:10] <Hobbsee> rightg
[05:10] <Riddell> Jucato: why so sad?
[05:10] <seele> Riddell: it begins 27 October instead of 28, correct?
[05:10] <Riddell> seele: something begins 27th, I can't tell you what it is though, but I'm pretty sure it's the part you'll be invited to
[05:11] <seele> ah hah
[05:11] <Jucato> Riddell: not being able to go to any UDS :(
[05:24] <Lure> Riddell: was afk for most of work day
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Koko
[05:27] <Lure> Riddell: so is new kontact confirmed to be ok?
[05:27] <Lure> Riddell: in svn they have just commited some build fixes that I have reported, so it is probably ok.
[05:28] <Riddell> Lure: I've no idea
[05:28] <sahin_w> Lure: Hi
[05:28] <sahin_w> Lure: Have you uploaded the new kdepim packages to somewhere?
[05:28] <Lure> hi sahin_w
[05:28] <Lure> sahin_w: I have version in my ppa which is supposed to fix imap, but it breaks pop3 teribly, so not sure if you want to test
[05:29] <Riddell> Lure: /msg'ed
[05:29] <Lure> sahin_w: but I hope we will have better candidate later this evening
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: i uploaded your soundkonverter, btw
[05:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: thanks!
[05:29] <sahin_w> Lure: Ok. In this case I'm just waiting for it...
[05:30] <Jucato> kmail (pop3) seems to be working fine on my end already (at last)
[05:32] <Lure> Jucato: yes, but it has paste crash which is fixed in latest, but that one has pop crash :-(
[05:32] <Jucato> oh yeah I always forget that paste crash :(
[05:32] <Jucato> still have that...
[05:32] <Lure> Jucato: they have now build fixes, so I hope we can finaly get everything (pop, impa and paste working)
[05:32] <Jucato> guess my mind's being warped by working on dolphin hehe
[05:33] <Lure> it is not that much to ask from mail application after all ;-)
[05:33] <Jucato> heheh
[05:34] <DaSkreech> hunger: pping
[05:36] <Jucato> pping..hm... peeping...
[05:36] <DaSkreech> actually yes
[05:36] <DaSkreech> hunger is peeping
[05:48] <hunger> DaSkreech: I'll pong you from home in a while...
[05:49] <DaSkreech> hunger: appreciated
[05:56] <manchicken> Grrr... the kmail paste crash strikes again.
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Ever wonder why tying of Music and IM is pervasive ?
[06:24] <Riddell> hmm?
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Why can you do things like advertise what album you are listening to
[06:25] <DaSkreech> why can't you say advertise the site you are browsing?
[06:26] <Riddell> plenty of people paste links into IRC (annoying often without an explanation)
[06:37] <lucky_lucas> Hi
[06:39] <nosrednaekim> hi
[06:41] <lucky_lucas> I just had a bad bug on gutsy today, with the nvidia driver and no compiz etc... suddenly the machine were frozen and I only could restart it by sysrq+b
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Good point
[06:42] <Riddell> lucky_lucas: report a bug on launchpad (or possibly ask politely in #ubuntu-kernel)
[06:42] <lucky_lucas> But I would like to know were I can get clues on which package is involved etc...
[06:48] <Riddell> lucky_lucas: a complete system freeze it likely a linux problem
[06:49] <lucky_lucas> Ok thanks I'm reading launchpad to see similars,
[06:51] <toma> is kitchensync packaged for kde 3.5.7 ?
[06:51] <toma> for feisty
[06:51] <Riddell> I don't think so for feisty
[06:52] <toma> ok, so i need to go to gutsy
[06:52] <toma> is it stable?
[06:59] <Riddell> toma: I have no idea, it's entirely untested, I suspect not
[07:00] <toma> ok, i'll upgrade to gutsy
[07:08] <Lure> Riddell: today's snapshot built and looks promising
[07:18] <allee> !ppa
[07:18] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[07:20] <Lure> allee: ;-)
[07:20] <allee> Lure: yeah, I'm a bit out of touch what's going on :)
[07:20] <Lure> allee: how are you doing?
[07:20] <Lure> allee: hacking kde4?
[07:21] <allee> Lure: not yet.  Tooooo less free time slots.  Reading here and there playing with some stuff.  All I can manage currently.
[07:24] <Lure> allee: I have similar problem - I hope I can now finally try beta2 and look into digikam or powermgmt a bit
[07:24] <manchicken> Lure: Did that X clipper issue ever get sorted?
[07:25] <Lure> manchicken: yes, I have a version now that "works for me TM"
[07:25] <Lure> manchicken: I have uploaded in ppa, so it should be available in 1 hour for wider testing
[07:25] <allee> Lure: I've a mail from Gilles, with a list of bugfixes that are waiting to be backported.  When you feel like it, I can hand it over to you.
[07:26] <manchicken> Wonderful.
[07:26] <Lure> allee: from 0.9.3 or from kde4?
[07:26] <Lure> allee: I would rather wait for 0.9.3 and then request UVF
[07:26] <allee> Lure: from KDE4 branch to 0.9.2 and .3
[07:26] <Lure> allee: but I hope it will be released mid-Sep
[07:27] <manchicken> So anybody here know Mats Soderlund, a.k.a. Gunther?  He's getting a lot of play time here at the office.
[07:27] <allee> Lure: lemme ask about him plan for 0.9.3
[07:27] <Lure> allee: but I am a bit concerned due to new libkdcraw and all depends
[07:27] <allee> Lure: yeah, I just wanted to mention it :)
[07:27] <Lure> allee: list time he said (in blog) before end of Sep
[07:29] <allee> I'm currently undicided where to start: fai is waiting for un update, digikam, kdebluetooth. or merging stuff back to alioth ...
[07:33] <Lure> allee: good point
[07:33] <Riddell> we are in UVF
[07:33] <Lure> allee: probably some strange reason that it is excluded from automatic merge
[07:33] <Riddell> so apps aren't being merged automatically
[07:34] <allee> Riddell: lenny was release long before UVF.
[07:34] <allee> uhm 2.4.0 released 30th Jul
[07:36] <ScottK> When did it get uploaded to Debian?
[07:37] <Lure> plenty of interesting additions in 2.4.0... but not sure if UVF would pass due to API changes and all rdepends
[07:38] <allee> Lure: debian has not changed API major.  So locks like only additions.
[07:38] <Lure> allee: sounds good
[07:39] <Lure> will check diffstat and then see if we can get excuse
[07:39] <Lure> Riddell: is pitti back? (as he did last merge)
[07:41] <Riddell> Lure: no, next week
[07:41] <Riddell> allee: that's a month after DebianImportFreeze
[07:41] <Lure> allee: there are also some important fixes in debian that we probably want
[07:42] <Lure> Riddell: it is merges.ubuntu.com listed, but green as it was merged once in gutsy cycle
[07:42] <Lure> Riddell: so probably nobody noticed the new upstream version
[07:43] <Riddell> yep
[07:43] <allee> Lure, Riddell  2.4.0 will be a requirement for digikam in KDE4 (at least).
[07:44] <Lure> allee: ok, but we will probably not have kde4 digikam in gutsy or will we?
[07:44] <Lure> allee: but it would be nice in re-spin KDE4 CD (if this is still planned)
[07:45] <allee> Lure: but it's easier to add it later (kubuntu.org?) whichout updating tons of libs ;)
[08:37] <Jucato> Riddell: is there still time to get a Restore (from trash:/) function in Dolphin?
[08:38] <Riddell> Jucato: how do you mean?
[08:38] <Riddell> if someone codes it, of course
[08:38] <Jucato> ok, I'm almost there I think... but I need to sleep.. :(
[08:39] <Riddell> Jucato: this a c++ job?
[08:39] <Jucato> and I think we need to add a build-dep to dolphin: libkonq4-dev
[08:39] <Jucato> yeah.
[08:40] <Jucato> I got Dolphin to show a different context menu if it's in trash:/
[08:40] <Riddell> why does it need that?  not that it would be a problem
[08:40] <Jucato> hm.. the Restore functions seem to be tied to konqueror
[08:40] <Jucato> konq_operations to be exact
[08:44] <Jucato> oh I think I see where I went wrong in building... trying again :)
[08:44] <Riddell> the kicker applet must do it somehow
[08:45] <Jucato> I'll get to emptying later. :)
[08:48] <Lure> Riddell: kdepim seems to be rock solid for me (after runnign it for only an hour or so)
[08:49] <Lure> Riddell: will wait for sahin_w to test, but otherwise seems fine to be pushed to gutsy
[08:50] <Riddell> Lure: great
[08:54] <Lure> Riddell: should I prepare changelog with list of bugs that it is supposed to fix?
[08:55] <Lure> not sure anymore, as there are many
[08:56] <Lure> I may just close manually as Fix Released and ask people to re-open if they get the crash again
[09:02] <Lure> everybody: new kdepim is in my ppa (i386 only - amd64 failed due to ppa bug), testers wanted
[09:03] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive
[09:03] <Lure> Riddell: sahin_w is not around, but I would at least wait for some positive report first
[09:03] <Lure> Riddell: I will prepare proper package for upload to gutsy (clean the ppa stuff out)
[09:04] <Lure> manchicken: ^^^
[09:12] <Lure> Riddell: source package is ready for gutsy in http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/gutsy/ , but need to pick up orig.tar.gz from ppa (no space on muse) - feel free to upload when you think we have enough feedback
[09:12] <Riddell> thanks Lure
[09:13] <Lure> Riddell: will cleanup bugs in LP when you upload
[09:30] <toma> Riddell: upgrade result to gutsy: grub wasn't updated with new kernel && during boot Luks passphrade was not asked, making my /home dir inaccesible. So pretty smooth ;-)
[09:32] <Riddell> toma: how did you upgrade?
[09:32] <toma> Riddell: aptitude
[09:33] <Riddell> toma: the upgrade tool fixes adding new linux build to grub
[09:33] <Riddell> Luks passphrase?
[09:33] <toma> Riddell: that's a cryptsetup
[09:34] <toma> i'll check launchpad later on
[09:36] <fdoving> toma: is that your laptop? - does sound work after resuming from suspend-to-ram?
[09:37] <toma> fdoving: no, its my desktop
[09:42] <toma> ah, my sata disks are now hd* instead of sd*
[09:43] <toma> that might explaun the cryptsetup failure
[09:44] <toma> let me try
[09:47] <toma> yep, that's better
[09:47] <toma> so the upgrade is very smooth, device renaming isn't gutsies fault
[09:49] <DaSkreech> I think that this laptop has some funky issues
[09:51] <DaSkreech> I have recently discovered that it's not that Wireless is broken it;s that I can't connect to a open Wifi unless first I connect to some wireless with security
[09:52] <nosrednaekim> probably knetowrkmanagler.
[09:52] <DaSkreech> very possible
[09:52] <DaSkreech> But I also can't browse at home
[10:11] <hunger> DaSkreech: pong?
[10:16] <milian> nabend
[10:25] <DaSkreech> Blast!
[10:25] <DaSkreech> get up for a drink and hunger flies by
[11:09] <Riddell> nice search applet is go http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/strigi3.png
[11:09] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/strigi.png
[11:17] <gnomefreak> was amarok2 uploaded to gutsy yet?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> i looked a few hours ago and couldnt find itt
[11:20] <nixternal> Riddell: how many hello world files do you really need? :D
[11:21] <gnomefreak> 35 or so ;)
[11:28] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: make hello world say something wwhen loaded (hello $nick) :)
[11:29] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: for?
[11:29] <ryanakca> irssi?
[11:29] <ryanakca> or C++/shell, Hello $username?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> for system boot
[11:30] <ryanakca> Ah, at login? *scratches his head*
[11:30] <gnomefreak> hey its hard but its a thought
[11:31] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: i really dont think its gonna be that easy at all
[11:32] <gnomefreak> but its a thought for gutsy+ 20
[11:33] <mhb> see you on friday folks, and be sensible at the meeting! :o)
[11:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm. looks like uploading kdebase_3.5.7-1ubuntu18 to PPA mailed you too :)
[11:33] <ryanakca> see yah mhb :)
[11:33] <ryanakca> Have fun wherever it is you're disappearing to ;D
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> bye mhb
[11:45] <manchicken> Okay, so I've got a v4l2 camera that works in ekiga, does anybody know how I go from there to getting it to work in kopete?
[11:45] <ScottK> ryanakca: IIRC you're using courier on the server.  If so, would you please look at Bug #121907 and see if you can figure something out about what's up with that bug?
[11:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121907 in courier "maildrop missing maildir path in authldaprc" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121907
[11:45] <Lure> manchicken: did you try kdepim from my ppa?
[11:46] <ryanakca> ScottK: yep
[11:46] <ScottK> Thanks
[11:46] <manchicken> Lure: I don't have your ppa... is it in the gutsy repos?
[11:46] <ScottK> I suspect it's permissions related, but don't have a working courier setup.
[11:47] <Lure> manchicken: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lure/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[11:47] <Lure> !ppa
[11:47] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[11:47] <manchicken> Ah.
[11:47] <manchicken> That's pretty freakin' sweet.
[11:47] <Lure> manchicken: I need at least some more testers to confirm it works for them so Riddell can upload to gutsy
[11:48] <manchicken> I'll test it out.
[11:48] <Lure> manchicken: exactly - it works nicely
[11:48] <Lure> manchicken: here it works nicely for pop3 and paste - no problems/crashes whatsoever after running it for several hours
[11:49] <Lure> ryanakca: yes, it is separate
[11:49] <Lure> ryanakca: ppa is built on xen as security measure
[11:50] <ryanakca> cool :)
[11:50] <manchicken> What is "kandy"?
[11:50] <manchicken> Interesting
[11:50] <ryanakca> yummm *takes a big whiff of the garlic-bread smell that's floating around in the air*
[11:51] <manchicken> CLI for kdepim it seems.
[11:51] <manchicken> Err, no, that's not just it.  Very weird that I've never heard of this before.
[11:53] <manchicken> Lure: That seems to work with the pasting.
[11:53] <Lure> manchicken: great, please test some send and check mail
[11:53] <Riddell> kandy is obsolete
[11:53] <Lure> manchicken: you use pop or imap?
[11:53] <manchicken> I'm on pop3
[11:54] <ryanakca> ScottK: hmm. *shrugs*, maybe courier could be set up so that courier-authlib's socket dir is chowned to say, 'courier' user, and that courier-authlib runs as the user 'courier', instead of having the dir owned by 'root', and having to switch to 'root' for a couple seconds every time we need to access the socket?
[11:55] <manchicken> Lure: Send and receive both seem to work, filters are working.
[11:55] <Lure> manchicken: ok, glad to hear it is good for somebody else than just me ;-)
[11:56] <manchicken> It seems to be working quite well.
[11:56] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^ you can probably upload - it seems it is not worse then current version
[11:57] <Lure> Riddell: I would preffer if sahin_w would test his imap issues, as I have not seen that on our Exchange impa server
[11:57] <nosrednaekim> Jucato has tried running it yet.... he can find a problem with anything.
[11:57] <Lure> but he does not seem to be around tonight
[11:57] <Lure> nosrednaekim: ;-)
[11:58] <Lure> nosrednaekim: he is also not around, so we are safe ;-)
[11:58] <nosrednaekim> quick.. get the new package in...
[11:59] <Lure> tommorow I need to look into strigi hangs/crashes on my system
[12:00] <Riddell> Lure: danimo says it's good for him too
[12:00] <Lure> Riddell: nice to hear
[12:03] <Riddell> sweet dreams
[12:03] <nosrednaekim> bye
[12:26] <manchicken> sebas: ping
[12:37] <ScottK> ryanakca: Then you were able to replicate the bug?