[01:19] <Xero> Big kosher pickle...
[01:20] <d4rkmonkey> lol...
[01:21] <d4rkmonkey> Xero https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport <--- found it?
[01:25] <soccermike1337> When i rebooted after upgrading to gutsy, it said x window server couldnt start
[01:25] <soccermike1337> does anyone know why this is happening?
[01:26] <d1006> well what error messages do you get in the log?
[01:26] <soccermike1337> hm
[01:26] <soccermike1337> well
[01:26] <soccermike1337> i dont really know where the log is located...
[01:26] <Xero> Reinstall the nVidia drivers.
[01:26] <soccermike1337> i just booted back into the feisty kernel
[01:27] <soccermike1337> ok.. how do i do that?
[01:27] <Xero> I'll bet 10 bucks thats what the problem is
[01:27] <Xero> sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx
[01:27] <soccermike1337> oh thats it?
[01:27] <Xero> Same thing happened to me a week ago
[01:27] <soccermike1337> can i do that from here and then reboot into the gutsy kernel?
[01:27] <Xero> yes.
[01:27] <Xero> Wait, no.
[01:27] <sam1337> Whilst running compiz fusion, my opengl applications such as glxgears and ut2004 do not work. Does anybody know what my problem may be?
[01:27] <Xero> You have to do it from Gutsy's terminal
[01:27] <soccermike1337> oh
[01:28] <Xero> so that it corresponds to Gutsy's kernel
[01:28] <soccermike1337> ok
[01:28] <soccermike1337> :P
[01:28] <soccermike1337> makes sense.
[01:28] <Xero> Fusion is messed.
[01:28] <Xero> Beryl works better as of now.
[01:28] <soccermike1337> ok ill be back
[01:29] <sam1337> beryl isnt in the repos anymore
[01:30] <Xero> I'm that much luckier to have it then.
[01:30] <RAOF> sam1337: By "Do not work", what do you mean?
[01:30] <sam1337> ROAF my x session crashes and x restarts
[01:30] <Xero> Same here with Beryl or normal Compiz
[01:30] <RAOF> sam1337: Blame nvidia.
[01:30] <Xero> Glxgears and openarena don't crash it
[01:30] <Xero> but Tremulous/GoogleEarth do
[01:30] <RAOF> sam1337: That's their wonderful "OpenGL + Composite crashes X" bug.
[01:31] <Xero> Tremulous simply doesn't freakin' work any more.
[01:31] <Xero> With or without beryl
[01:31] <RAOF> You can use Xgl to work around that problem.
[01:31] <sam1337> if i downgraded to the older nvidia-glx instead of nvidia-glx-new would the problem be fixed?
[01:31] <RAOF> sam1337: I *think* so, yes.
[01:31] <Xero> Xgl says "I hate you" and whitescreens Beryl.
[01:31] <sam1337> Xgl is not fast and stable
[01:31] <Xero> How do I fix the white screen of death?
[01:32] <sam1337> use aiglx
[01:32] <RAOF> Xero: You've installed your drivers in a wierd way.
[01:32] <RAOF> sam1337: Xgl is both fast and stable.
[01:32] <Xero> From NVidia.
[01:32] <sam1337> RAOF wasent when i last used it
[01:32] <RAOF> Xero: There's your problem.  The nvidia installer overwrites files that Compiz + Xgl need to work.
[01:32] <RAOF> sam1337: When was that?
[01:33] <Xero> What do I reinstall?
[01:33] <RAOF> sam1337: Should be now.
[01:33] <sam1337> RAOF about 10 months ago maybe
[01:33] <sam1337> around christmas
[01:33] <RAOF> Xero: So, "sudo aptitude reinstall ~nmesa" will break your nvidia drivers.
[01:33] <sam1337> 9 months
[01:33] <Xero> What happens if I use nvidia-glx from the repo?
[01:34] <RAOF> Xero: Then "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx(-new, possibly)" will fix them.
[01:34] <soccermike1337> :-/ That doesn't seem to work, Xero
[01:34] <soccermike1337> but it is giving me nvidia errors
[01:34] <sam1337> be back in 5-10 mins
[01:35] <Trewas> I really thought xgl became irrelevant with aiglx et al, but I guess was wrong
[01:35] <RAOF> Nope.
[01:35] <Trewas> meaning I thought aiglx does everything that xgl goes, and supposedly more elegantly
[01:36] <RAOF> They're totally different things.
[01:36] <RAOF> AIGLX does nothing that Xgl does, or is meant to do :)
[01:36] <soccermike1337> hmmmmmmm
[01:36] <Xero> Do I need libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri?
[01:36] <soccermike1337> brb
[01:36] <Xero> If I try to do the aptitude stuff it attempts to remove beryl.
[01:37] <RAOF> Xero: "sudo aptitude reinstall ~nmesa"?
[01:37] <RAOF> Xero: If that wants to remove beryl, you've got a crazy messed up install!
[01:37] <Xero> you said install, not reinstall
[01:37] <Xero> Oh.
[01:37] <Xero> Nevermind.
[01:37] <Xero> Pebkac.
[01:37] <RAOF> Heh.
[01:38] <d1006> should installing XGL create the file 00xserver-xgl_start-server ?
[01:38] <Trewas> RAOF: hmm, so what xgl does that aiglx doesn't?
[01:38] <RAOF> d1006: Yes.
[01:39] <d1006> RAOF: if you install xserver-xgl, uninstall it, remove that file, and reinstall xserver-xgl, the file is not recreated it seems
[01:39] <Xero> RAOF: same here.
[01:39] <RAOF> Trewas: Xgl is an X server that does all its drawing through OpenGL.  Thus, it's easy to be fast; you only need a good OpenGL implementation, rather than *also* a good Composite, RENDER, EXA, etc implementation.
[01:39] <Xero> Pastebin that file or something so I can grab it please?
[01:40] <RAOF> d1006, Xero: Yeah, that's a bug in my packaging.  Grrr!
[01:40] <d1006> yeah that's what i'm looking for too ^^ - then need to change it to 15xserver-xgl_start-server (15 not 00) to work with fglrx it seems
[01:40] <RAOF> d1006, Xero: Purging xserver-xgl and then installing it should re-create it.
[01:40] <RAOF> Stupid frikkin fglrx :(
[01:40] <d1006> ;)
[01:40] <d1006> okay ty
[01:41] <RAOF> I need to fix Xgl in a different way, obviously.
[01:41] <Trewas> RAOF: ok, I guess it still has its place :)
[01:41] <Xero> Ok. It's there.
[01:41] <Xero> I'm gonna go restart X.
[01:41] <Xero> NVidia driver from repo + Xgl from repo = break?
[01:42] <Xero> I have the mesa stuff
[01:42] <RAOF> Xero: No, = work.  That's what I test on :)
[01:42] <Xero> Okay if you're sure.
[01:42] <RAOF> Using it right now :)
[01:42] <Xero> Restarting X. If it breaks I bite your face after I recompile.
[01:42] <RAOF> Trewas: What it's *really* good for right now is working around stupid bugs in drivers.  Such as nvidia's crappy texture_from_pixmap (no black window bug, you can resume from suspend), ATI's inability to get OpenGL + Composite going, etc.
[01:43] <soccermike1337> Okk
[01:43] <RAOF> Because the current Xgl is an intermediate, since it still requires an underlying X server to set up an OpenGL context for it.
[01:43] <soccermike1337> it says Failed to laod module "wfb" (module does not exist, 0)
[01:44] <sebsebseb> After installing the latest gutsy updates,  sound no longer works,  is there a fix for this?
[01:44] <RAOF> soccermike1337: What nvidia card?
[01:44] <soccermike1337> ""Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure tat there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system and that the NVIDIA device files hae been created properly.Pleas e consult the NVIDIA REAME for details. *** Aborting***
[01:44] <soccermike1337> screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[01:45] <RAOF> soccermike1337: Ah, a different problem.
[01:45] <soccermike1337> umm geforce go 7400
[01:45] <soccermike1337> then it says "fatal server error: no screens found"
[01:45] <soccermike1337> do you know how to fix it?
[01:45] <RAOF> soccermike1337: So, what nvidia-glx package do you have installed (nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new)?
[01:46] <soccermike1337> uhh
[01:46] <Xero> RAOF: It worked.
[01:46] <soccermike1337> well i tried reinstalling nvidia-glx
[01:46] <soccermike1337> but it didnt work
[01:46] <Xero> Although Beryl doesn't work, it worked.
[01:46] <soccermike1337> so then i installed nvidia-glx-new
[01:46] <sebsebseb> After installing the latest gutsy,  updates sound no longer works,  is there a fix for this?
[01:46] <soccermike1337> and still didnt work :-/
[01:46] <Xero> Compiz works with very choppy wobble.
[01:46] <Xero> No apparent reason for choppiness in wobble, though...
[01:47] <soccermike1337> so i guess technically i have both installed
[01:48] <RAOF> soccermike1337: No, you'll have removed nvidia-glx when you installed nvidia-glx-new.
[01:48] <Xero> Never mind, RAOF. I fixed it.
[01:48] <Xero> Refresh rate was bad,
[01:48] <RAOF> Xero: Yay nvidia!
[01:49] <Xero> Although now I found another problem
[01:49] <RAOF> soccermike1337: Can you pastebin /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[01:49] <Xero> When I turn off snap, it still snaps.
[01:49] <soccermike1337> um
[01:49] <soccermike1337> how do i get to that?
[01:49] <soccermike1337> do i boot into feisty kernel, then go to that directory?
[01:49] <RAOF> soccermike1337: What's this "Feisty" business?
[01:49] <soccermike1337> huh?
[01:49] <soccermike1337> >.>
[01:50] <RAOF> Xero: You mean the "snap" plugin?  That's not used when you're using wobbly, IIRC.
[01:50] <soccermike1337> how would i post /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common into pastepin?
[01:50] <RAOF> soccermike1337: This is the Gutsy support channel.  I was assuming you had Gutsy running.
[01:50] <soccermike1337> nope
[01:50] <soccermike1337> x windows server wont work
[01:51] <soccermike1337> gutsy IS running
[01:51] <RAOF> But you have gutsy installed?
[01:51] <soccermike1337> but without a gui.
[01:51] <RAOF> Right.  It won't work with the feisty kernel.
[01:51] <gravemind> for the sake of information, does gutsy have more updated madwifi drivers?
[01:51] <RAOF> !pastebinit | soccermike1337
[01:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebinit - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:51] <RAOF> !info pastebinit
[01:51] <soccermike1337> lol
[01:51] <gravemind> !pastebin
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> gravemind: I think so..... it certainly works beter for me..
[01:51] <ubotu> pastebinit: command-line pastebin client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 84 kB
[01:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:52] <gravemind> cool I didn't know there was a program
[01:52] <RAOF> soccermike1337: You can use that program (pastebinit) to do it.
[01:52] <soccermike1337> ok
[01:52] <soccermike1337> well ill be back
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> gravemind: with me there was ;)
[01:52] <soccermike1337> i have to disconnect this computer to get internet on the other
[01:52] <soccermike1337> lol
[01:52] <gravemind> nosrednaekim: cool that's great
[01:52] <soccermike1337> or do i?
[01:52] <soccermike1337> ..
[01:53] <gravemind> nosrednaekim: gutsy is in october right
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[01:53] <gravemind> kk
[01:53] <gravemind> I wonder what the chances are of the drivers being backported to feisty before then
[01:56] <Xero> Wow...
[01:56] <Xero> XGL > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AIGLX
[01:56] <soccermike1337> ok
[01:56] <soccermike1337> http://paste.stgraber.org/3347
[01:58] <soccermike1337> is that what you wanted?
[01:58] <RAOF> Ok.  That looks good.
[01:59] <RAOF> Now how about "sudo aptitude install linux-generic"
[01:59] <Tm_T> how about wajig install linux-generic
[01:59] <Tm_T> yes, without sudo
[01:59] <soccermike1337> ok
[02:00] <soccermike1337> i did that RAOF
[02:00] <RAOF> soccermike1337: Did it install anything?
[02:00] <soccermike1337> um
[02:00] <Xero> Any way to fix the choppiness when I wobble stuff RAOF?
[02:00] <soccermike1337> nope
[02:00] <Xero> The sides get all screwed up.
[02:00] <RAOF> Hm.  Dunno, it seems to work for me.
[02:00] <soccermike1337> do i need to be online?
[02:01] <RAOF> soccermike1337: Sorry, I'm going to have to go now.  I'm sure someone else will be able to help, though.
[02:01] <Xero> The interior is fine but the sides of the windows look like a cut up film strip
[02:01] <soccermike1337> ok
[02:04] <nickrud> my, gjig is huge
[02:07] <soccermike1337> ok...
[02:07] <soccermike1337> xero, you around?
[02:08] <soccermike1337> ok.. i installed gutsy.. but my x window server wont work
[02:09] <soccermike1337> does anyone know how to fix this?
[02:09] <d1006> buddy you need to give us error messages or something to work with
[02:09] <soccermike1337> hmm
[02:10] <soccermike1337> well i have this... http://paste.stgraber.org/3347
[02:10] <soccermike1337> if thats ANY help at all
[02:10] <d1006> nope
[02:10] <d1006> pastebin your /var/log/ xorg log file is a good start
[02:10] <soccermike1337> ok
[02:10] <soccermike1337> xorg.log
[02:10] <soccermike1337> Xorg.log right?
[02:11] <soccermike1337> ill be right back
[02:11] <d1006> Xorg.0.log probably
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> its /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:12] <larson9999> is it just me or is the client portion of xdmcp broken in gutsy?
[02:15] <Xero> I hate compiz fusion and I keep getting white screen in beryl.
[02:15] <Xero> Can anyone help with tat?
[02:15] <sam1337> the nvidia-glx dosent seem to like my system
[02:15] <Xero> *that
[02:16] <soccermike1337> ok
[02:16] <soccermike1337> http::/past.stgraber.org/3348
[02:16] <soccermike1337> err
[02:16] <soccermike1337> http://paste.stgraber.org/3348
[02:16] <soccermike1337> does that help?
[02:16] <Jordan_U> Xero, Why do you hate CF ?
[02:17] <d4rkmonkey> CF rocks.
[02:17] <soccermike1337> d1006?
[02:17] <Xero> CF is buggy on my system
[02:17] <Xero> Very buggy.
[02:17] <sam1337> cf rocks
[02:17] <d4rkmonkey> It still rocks...
[02:17] <sam1337> yep
[02:17] <d4rkmonkey> I can't run totem with CF running lol
[02:17] <d1006> soccermike1337: seems to me, and i don't use nvidia and am no expert, that your drivers aren't installed properly
[02:18] <soccermike1337> :-/
[02:18] <soccermike1337> i used sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[02:18] <sam1337> brb letting compiz fusion crash my system, again
[02:18] <d4rkmonkey> !nvidia
[02:18] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:18] <d4rkmonkey> ?
[02:18] <d1006> soccermike1337: from the command line?
[02:18] <sam1337> hmmm glxgears is just black now
[02:18] <soccermike1337> yes
[02:18] <d1006> the xorg server never worked when u first upgraded to gutsy?
[02:19] <soccermike1337> nope
[02:19] <d1006> and you upgraded rather than clean installed right?
[02:19] <soccermike1337> yes
[02:19] <d1006> i suggest removing your xorg.conf file entirely, removing any binary nvidia drivers you have installed, and seeing if xorg will boot that way
[02:19] <soccermike1337> ok
[02:19] <d1006> rename rather than remove your xorg.conf perhaps *
[02:20] <soccermike1337> could you let me know how to do that?
[02:20] <sam1337> bug 130325 sucks
[02:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx-new]  glxgears, 3d apps crash X when using compiz-fusion (gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130325
[02:20] <d1006> Not to be harsh but Gutsy is alpha... if you can't do that you shouldn't really be using Gutsy :P
[02:20] <soccermike1337> lol
[02:21] <Xero> Come on. Someone help me with my white screen of death.
[02:21] <d1006> read the channel topic and every spammed disclaimer on the forums ;)
[02:21] <Xero> I get it only with beryl and not CF, but CF is explosively buggy...
[02:21] <soccermike1337> i mean
[02:21] <soccermike1337> i know how to do it.. im just not totally sure where the xorg.conf is
[02:21] <soccermike1337> is it in /var?
[02:21] <d1006> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:22] <soccermike1337> and this wont destroy my feisty system if i change it?
[02:22] <soccermike1337> hm
[02:22] <soccermike1337> its just xorg
[02:22] <soccermike1337> so i guess it wouldnt
[02:23] <d1006> if you upgraded fiesty, you don't have fiesty anymore...
[02:23] <asdf> can anyone point me to a tutorial for upgrading from feisty to gutsy
[02:23] <soccermike1337> >.>
[02:23] <soccermike1337> yes i do
[02:23] <soccermike1337> if i hit esc, i can load an older kernel
[02:24] <d1006> if you think you have fiesty and gutsy running on the same partition/etc ummm no wonder you have probs :P
[02:24] <sam1337> lol
[02:24] <soccermike1337> >.>
[02:24] <d1006> if it's a different partition and install then you have no worries editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf but that doesn't automagically happen when upgrading fiesty to gutsy
[02:24] <soccermike1337> when you upgrade a kernel, it keeps a backup of the older kernel.
[02:24] <d1006> gutsy isn't just a new kernel...
[02:25] <soccermike1337> and when grub loads, you can hit esc and choose the older kernel and it boots
[02:25] <sam1337> gutsy is a new allmost everything
[02:26] <soccermike1337> so if i load the old kernel
[02:26] <soccermike1337> will it still be gutsy?
[02:26] <sam1337> yes
[02:26] <soccermike1337> oh ok
[02:26] <asdf> can anyone point me to a tutorial for upgrading from feisty to gutsy
[02:26] <d1006> in theory :P
[02:27] <soccermike1337> asdf, dont do it :P
[02:27] <sam1337> asdf just type sudo apt-get -dist-upgrade in terminal
[02:27] <soccermike1337> you'll shoot yourself in the foot
[02:27] <soccermike1337> ugh
[02:27] <asdf> soccermike1337: why do you say that?
[02:27] <sam1337> yeah asdf i'd recommend it if you dont even know how to upgrade your distro
[02:27] <soccermike1337> well maybe you wont have problems like im having
[02:28] <d1006> if you need help to find the command you shouldn't do it :)
[02:28] <soccermike1337> oh my.... ok, well i was able to boot back up with the older kernel before
[02:28] <soccermike1337> i dont know why it wont work now
[02:28] <soccermike1337> now its doing the same thing
[02:28] <Xero> I've got Fusion working satisfactorily.
[02:28] <Jordan_U> asdf, Do you know about dpkg dependencies and bug reporting?
[02:28] <asdf> sorry all -- I've been w/ Ubuntu since Hoary -- just wanted to check before I dove in
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade
[02:29] <asdf> would you all recommend waiting?
[02:29] <d1006> i run gutsy and feisty to be safe :D
[02:29] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:29] <Jordan_U> asdf, Yes, see the topic
[02:29] <Xero> I wouldn't
[02:29] <sam1337> cf crashed again :(
[02:29] <Jordan_U> asdf, But if you have a spare computer and don't mind not having support then have fun :)
[02:30] <asdf> Jordan_U: I'll download as a live CD and make sure all my hardware works well.  I had major trouble going from Dapper to Edgy
[02:30] <soccermike1337> lol
[02:31] <soccermike1337> it really doesnt matter if i lose everything..
[02:31] <soccermike1337> because i have reformatted 3 or 4 times in the past week
[02:31] <soccermike1337> so its no skin off my bone!
[02:31] <soccermike1337> or however that saying goes
[02:31] <Xero> Does anyone actually prefer the Inside Cube thing?
[02:32] <Xero> That's the only way I can get CF to not lag like crazy on my subpar gfx card.
[02:32] <sam1337> gutsy is quite useless atm
[02:32] <Xero> Hmm. I'm beginning to like it.
[02:32] <d1006> i have gutsy running 'stable' for a couple of weeks
[02:32] <Xero> I've had it running perfectly for 3 days
[02:33] <sam1337> bug 130325 has been bothering me for months
[02:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx-new]  glxgears, 3d apps crash X when using compiz-fusion (gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130325
[02:33] <d1006> I find it quite a step from feisty, i auto boot gutsy over feisty for now
[02:33] <soccermike1337> what improvements are there?
[02:33] <Jordan_U> asdf, Dapper -> Edgy was the worst upgrade, it usually is not that bad ( unless you use bad 3rd party repos or other things like that )
[02:33] <Xero> Does bug 130325 apply to the not -new drivers?
[02:34] <sam1337> Xero not sure nvidia-glx does not work for me xorg says it cant load nvidia module
[02:34] <sam1337> nvidia kernel module i think
[02:34] <Xero> I'll check (wish me luck or else I might explode.)
[02:35] <Xero> 3
[02:35] <Xero> 2
[02:35] <Xero> 1
[02:35] <sam1337> thanks alot
[02:35] <Xero> google earth
[02:35] <sam1337> with cf running?
[02:35] <sam1337> non xgl?
[02:35] <Xero> CF + Xgl
[02:36] <Xero> GoogEarth works
[02:36] <Xero> Now for the mother of all bug tests: Tremulous, which never ran on this system
[02:36] <sam1337> is it too much to ask if i ask you to do it without xgl?
[02:36] <Xero> LOL
[02:36] <Xero> Tremulous crashed. X did not.
[02:37] <Xero> sam1337, I am a n00b and therefore have to do a lot to make it not use Xgl.
[02:37] <d1006> I think you can just move one file temporarily Xero
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> d1006: can't you make it a whole new session? you can in Kubuntu
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> sorry... Xero
[02:38] <d1006> nosrednaekim: maybe, tho that might kickup all sorts of conflicts :shrug:
[02:38] <soccermike1337> oh wait, d1006, is it worth mentioning that im using a laptop?
[02:38] <sam1337> d1006 i once had an xgl session and a normal session
[02:39] <sam1337> worked perfectly
[02:39] <Xero> lol OpenArena looks fuuuuux0red
[02:39] <d1006> yeah i aint saying it's not pos etc
[02:39] <soccermike1337> i read about a bug where the nvidia-glx defaults to the vga-out
[02:39] <soccermike1337> (if you are using a laptop gpu)
[02:39] <d1006> soccermike1337: i've no exp with debugging nvid *at all*
[02:39] <soccermike1337> oh
[02:39] <soccermike1337> right, you said that lol
[02:39] <d1006> but um
[02:40] <d1006> your old kernel works, new one doesn;t, means the driver kenrel module needs compiling whatever for the newer kernel
[02:40] <d1006> basically
[02:40] <soccermike1337> oh
[02:40] <soccermike1337> i see
[02:40] <soccermike1337> the older kernel doesnt work anymore haha
[02:41] <soccermike1337> or wait.. let me check again
[02:41] <d1006> run the newest kernel
[02:41] <soccermike1337> ok
[02:41] <d1006> at command line make the kernel module as per normal way for installing the drivers
[02:41] <d1006> idk how that works for nvidia tho
[02:41] <soccermike1337> well... i used sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[02:42] <d1006> but for ati, need to do that per kernel upgrade - so guess the same for you - makes sense considering what you say
[02:42] <Xero> Oh boy. Warcra emulation time.
[02:42] <Xero> *Warcraft
[02:42] <Xero> Stupid whatever grabbing my keystrokes
[02:42] <Xero> Stealin them away
[02:43] <soccermike1337> do you know anything about WFB?
[02:43] <d1006> me? no
[02:43] <soccermike1337> hm
[02:43] <soccermike1337> it says that it failed to load
[02:43] <soccermike1337> i suspect that has something to do with it
[02:44] <d1006> i'm in here as a newb exploring gutsy rather than a linux pro :P
[02:44] <sam1337> d1006 same here
[02:44] <soccermike1337> ah
[02:44] <d1006> your driver kernel module didn't load, that's your main prob imo
[02:44] <sam1337> d1006 i cant even manage to create my own custom kernel without messing up!
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> gotta make sure your kernel driver matches your xorg driver version
[02:45] <d1006> that's his prob i think, as it works for him on older kernel ^
[02:45] <asdf> when i run gksudo "update-manager -d" my install doesn't recognize that there's an upgrade
[02:45] <soccermike1337> ok im going to downgrade to nvidia-glx from nvidia-glx-new and see if that works
[02:45] <asdf> it says warning: could not initiate dbus
[02:46] <asdf> current dist not found in meta-release file
[02:46] <sam1337> asdf sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:46] <d1006> asdf might need to change your sources.list file however
[02:46] <asdf> sam1337: it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:46] <d1006> certainly i did at least
[02:47] <Xero> Xgl demands a lot.
[02:47] <asdf> just change everything that says feisty to gutsy?
[02:47] <sam1337> asdf make sure your running the latest feisty kernel too because i found that running an earlier one wouldnt let me upgrade that way for some reason
[02:47] <d1006> right
[02:47] <Xero> Forces me to change game settings to be able to run them.
[02:47] <d1006> do that then upgrade
[02:47] <soccermike1337> ok
[02:47] <soccermike1337> i got rid of that WFB problem
[02:47] <asdf> sam1337: I've got all my packages up to date is that all I need to do?
[02:47] <soccermike1337> but now it still says Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[02:48] <sam1337> asdf what does uname -r say?
[02:48] <asdf> 2.6.20-16-generic
[02:48] <d1006> soccermike1337: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=542215&highlight=nvidia+kernel+module
[02:49] <sam1337> that the latest feisty kernel?
[02:49] <d1006> yes that's feisty
[02:49] <soccermike1337> yes it is
[02:50] <sam1337> asdf i suggest manually editing your sources.list then
[02:50] <asdf> ok
[02:50] <d1006> asdf: change feisty to gusty in sources.list and then "gksudo update-manager -c -d
[02:51] <d4rkmonkey> or you could just do update-manager -d without changing sources...
[02:51] <asdf> I get a message that says: I can only do a partial upgrade
[02:51] <d4rkmonkey> or you could just do update-manager -d without changing sources...
[02:51] <d4rkmonkey> and maybe change your meta-release file so that it updates properly...
[02:51] <sam1337> because of bug 130325 CF is not an option for me :(
[02:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx-new]  glxgears, 3d apps crash X when using compiz-fusion (gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130325
[02:52] <asdf> do you think I should do a partial upgrade?
[02:52] <d1006> not sure update-manager -d works tbh yet
[02:52] <d4rkmonkey> asdf I think you should try without changing sources first.. unless you really know what you're doing there.
[02:52] <asdf> ok
[02:53] <soccermike1337> im gonna try to boot into the -15 kernel
[02:53] <soccermike1337> no go.
[02:54] <sam1337> anybody here know how to use aircrack-ng?
[02:54] <sam1337> i want free broadband
[02:54] <asdf> d4rkmonkey: when I do update-manager -c -d without changing my sources.list it doesn't recognize that there's an update
[02:54] <d1006> asdf: that command doesn't work yet
[02:54] <d4rkmonkey> asdf one second, same thing happened for me.
[02:54] <soccermike1337> free broadband?!
[02:54] <d4rkmonkey> asdf you just have to change a meta-release file first..
[02:55] <soccermike1337> how do i download a file from the shell?
[02:55] <soccermike1337> er.. the command line
[02:55] <sam1337> soccermike1337 sudo apt-get install aircack-ng
[02:55] <soccermike1337> heh
[02:55] <soccermike1337> how does that work?
[02:55] <soccermike1337> i want to download http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.11/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run from the command line
[02:55] <soccermike1337> how would i do that?
[02:56] <d1006> wget
[02:56] <d4rkmonkey> asdf http://paste.ubuntu.com/42/ <-- replace your ~/.update-manager-core/meta-release file with that, then try.
[02:56] <sam1337> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[02:56] <sam1337> wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.11/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run
[02:57] <soccermike1337> ok
[02:57] <sam1337> yay my noobiness is helping
[02:57] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[02:57] <Biovore> nvidia-glx-new on gusty is 100.14.11
[02:57] <asdf> d4rkmonkey -- it still does not recognize an update as being ready
[02:58] <d1006> did u sudo apt-get update ?
[02:58] <asdf> yes
[02:58] <d4rkmonkey> asdf ok, then go with d1006's way.
[02:58] <asdf> should I do a "partial update" or wait?
[02:58] <sam1337> you could allways install from cd
[02:59] <sam1337> is anybody here getting automounting problems in gutsy in kde?
[03:00] <sam1337> or out of kde
[03:04] <soccermike1337> WOoooo
[03:05] <soccermike1337> its back up
[03:05] <soccermike1337> how can i verify that it is gutsy?
[03:05] <d1006> uname-r ?
[03:05] <sam1337> thats the kernel only
[03:06] <soccermike1337> yeah..
[03:06] <soccermike1337> 2.6.22-10-generic though is that one's output
[03:06] <d1006> it's a good an indication as any
[03:06] <d1006> that's latest gutsy kernel
[03:07] <soccermike1337> weird though
[03:07] <soccermike1337> in my About Ubuntu file it says "Thank you for your interest in Ubuntu 7.04 - the Feisty Fawn"
[03:08] <d1006> Thank you for your interest in Ubuntu 7.10
[03:08] <d1006>                 - the Gutsy Gibbon - released in October 2007.
[03:08] <soccermike1337> o.o
[03:08] <sam1337> anybody here going to get ut3 when it comes out?
[03:08] <antibody_> do I have to have something in xorg.conf to have direct rendering in xgl?
[03:08] <soccermike1337> mine says 7.04 - the Feisty Fawn - released in April 2007
[03:09] <antibody_> now gdm starts the windows manager with xgl and I don't have direct rendering
[03:09] <antibody_> and compiz puts the screen all white with the mouse pointer but I have the cube working :/
[03:10] <soccermike1337> so wait
[03:10] <soccermike1337> im on feisty...
[03:10] <soccermike1337> but im on the gutsy kernel?
[03:11] <d1006> doubt that'd work but no idea tbh
[03:11] <sam1337> if your using gutsy packages your using gutsy
[03:11] <soccermike1337> i followed a guide to upgrade to gutsy
[03:11] <soccermike1337> and im on the gutsy kernel
[03:11] <sam1337> gutsy is just feisty with newer packages you could be using both
[03:11] <soccermike1337> but in my about ubuntu it says feisty fawn
[03:12] <soccermike1337> is there any program that is installed with the gutsy upgrade that i can look for to make sure it upgraded?
[03:12] <sam1337> probably an obselete package you aint deleted yet
[03:12] <antibody__> damn disconnected
[03:12] <antibody__> anyone replied to me?
[03:14] <d1006> antibody__: it's a bug i've heard of - no one replied with any workaround or antyhing tho if that's what ur after :P
[03:14] <antibody__> yeah I can't play games like this :7
[03:14] <d1006> antibody__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xgl/ prob has it somewhere
[03:14] <antibody__> I have to start from "startx"
[03:15] <antibody__> what's the command to start gnome?it's no longer start-gnome
[03:15] <antibody__> :/
[03:15] <d1006> you want to not run xgl anymore yes?
[03:16] <RAOF> d1006: s/bug/desired behaviour/ :)-
[03:16] <d1006> sorry yeah i mean his white cube thing :P
[03:16] <antibody__> d1006, I don't care..I want it working now
[03:17] <d1006> antibody__: remove or move 00xserver<blah> file from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[03:17] <sam1337> would 2gb graphics memory and 1200ghz of gpu power be enough to run CF at top graphics?
[03:17] <RAOF> Ah, yes.  That's becuause he's manually installed the nvidia drivers at some point.
[03:17] <sam1337> 1200mhz i meant
[03:17] <d1006> RAOF: btw the fglrx issue of needing to rename the file 15<> rather than 00<> resolved the issue for me
[03:18] <d1006> idk if it was/has been confirmed
[03:18] <RAOF> d1006: Stupid frikking fglrx, mutter mutter mumble.
[03:18] <d1006> ;)
[03:18] <antibody__> I can put nvidia in blacklist
[03:18] <antibody__> does that work?
[03:18] <RAOF> d1006: Yeah, I'll fix that in a different way.
[03:19] <antibody__> ok i'll try
[03:19] <sam1337> anybody here play frets on fire?
[03:19] <antibody__> with nvidia in blacklist for the file u said d1006
[03:19] <antibody__> brb
[03:20] <d1006> won't that just make xgl fail to load for him ? :P
[03:20] <RAOF> Yes, but I'm not totally stupid, so it'll just load X normally. :)
[03:20] <antibody_> yeps that worked
[03:20] <d1006> hehe :)
[03:20] <antibody_> didn't need to move the file like this
[03:21] <RAOF> He'll get a warning in ~/.xsession-errors, but it'll work :)
[03:38] <Toma-> bug #136628
[03:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136628 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22.10-rt does not include nvidia modules" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136628
[03:39] <RAOF> Yup, they fail to build.  Ain't restrictid drivers grand?
[03:40] <pwnguin> -rt?
[03:40] <RAOF> Realtime.
[03:40] <Toma-> how do i see the buildlog for that?
[03:40] <RAOF> Toma-: Um, it's probably somewhere on launchpad, but I'm not quite sure where it'd be.
[03:40] <pwnguin> Toma-: go to overview, click on a version
[03:41] <Toma-> ahh thanks
[03:41] <pwnguin> at the bottom is build logs for each arch
[03:43] <pwnguin> lpia
[03:43] <pwnguin> which, im not sure why restricted modules is in that arch
[03:45] <Toma-> !find lowlatency
[03:46] <ubotu> Package/file lowlatency does not exist in gutsy
[03:49] <MikeB> what compiz plugin makes your windows stick to your menu bars
[03:50] <soccermike1337> so.. im still unsure if i am running gutsy or not
[03:50] <soccermike1337> i have the gutsy kernel running
[03:50] <soccermike1337> but how can I verify that it is indeed gutsy?
[03:50] <Toma-> 'cat /etc/issue'
[03:50] <soccermike1337> /sigh
[03:50] <soccermike1337> Ubuntu 7.04 \n \l :-(
[03:51] <Toma-> also,
[03:51] <Toma-> 'apt-cache show libc6 | grep Version'
[03:51] <Toma-> !info libc6
[03:51] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.6.1-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 4084 kB, installed size 10112 kB
[03:51] <soccermike1337> http://www.ubuntu-schweiz.org/2007/08/08/ubuntu-update-to-gutsy-gibbon-710/
[03:51] <soccermike1337> er
[03:51] <soccermike1337> Version: 2.6.1-1ubuntu2
[03:51] <soccermike1337> Version: 2.5-0ubuntu14
[03:52] <soccermike1337> thats the output
[03:52] <Toma-> what the..
[03:52] <soccermike1337> yeah.
[03:52] <Toma-> have you got feisty repos alongside gutsy repos?
[03:52] <soccermike1337> i have no clue
[03:52] <soccermike1337> lol
[03:52] <soccermike1337> i honestly never should have attempted the upgrade
[03:52] <soccermike1337> but I would like to see it through.
[03:52] <Toma-> do you really think you should be running gutsy?
[03:52] <flodine> lol
[03:53] <soccermike1337> honestly, no i don't
[03:53] <Toma-> :)
[03:53] <soccermike1337> ahaha
[03:53] <soccermike1337> but ive reformatted 3 or 4 times in the past week
[03:53] <soccermike1337> so.. i have nothing to lose
[03:53] <Toma-> well go for number 5 and install feisty
[03:53] <soccermike1337> hm?
[03:53] <soccermike1337> oh
[03:53] <soccermike1337> haha
[03:53] <soccermike1337> well
[03:53] <soccermike1337> in my about ubuntu file it says 7.04
[03:54] <soccermike1337> and on my FF home page it says 7.04
[03:54] <Warbo> quick question, now that the Deskbar has been messed around with, is there any way for me to get a command line on my panel? (the old CLI applet doesn't seem to be there anymore)
[03:54] <soccermike1337> and on the 'cat /etc/issue' it says 7.04
[03:54] <soccermike1337> so i think im alright
[03:54] <soccermike1337> there shouldnt be any conflicts, right?
[03:54] <Toma-> well, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its probably a feisty fawn
[03:54] <soccermike1337> o.o
[03:54] <Toma-> :P
[03:54] <soccermike1337> weird
[03:55] <soccermike1337> i thought it would be a duck.
[03:55] <soccermike1337> but what i dont understand is... my kernel version is the latest gutsy kernel lmao
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> its a dapper drake....
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> this guy is messed up.
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:55] <soccermike1337> >.>
[03:55] <soccermike1337> but a drake is a dragon!
[03:55] <Toma-> oh i forget im in +1, when humor is checked at the door :(
[03:56] <soccermike1337> or maybe its a duck too
[03:56] <soccermike1337> yeah ok
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> drake is a male swan I think.
[03:59] <RAOF> nosrednaekim: No, it's a male duck.  Although it may also be a male swan, but I don't think so.
[03:59] <RAOF> Or a dragon like Trogdor, of course.
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> ah... ok
[04:04] <soccermike1337> hmm
[04:04] <soccermike1337> when does gutsy come out?
[04:04] <soccermike1337> i heard october
[04:05] <soccermike1337> if thats correct, ill just wait i suppose
[04:05] <soccermike1337> RAOF, i fixed my error
[04:05] <fiveiron> soccermike1337: wait for what?
[04:05] <soccermike1337> although my computer is a cross dresser
[04:05] <soccermike1337> wait to insall gutsy
[04:05] <soccermike1337> *install
[04:05] <RAOF> Cool.
[04:05] <soccermike1337> but yes.. my computer is a cross dresser (gutsy kernal, feisty everything else)
[04:06] <soccermike1337> lol
[04:06] <RAOF> That's a bit of a problem :)
[04:06] <soccermike1337> well
[04:06] <soccermike1337> everything is running fine, so im not complaining
[04:06] <soccermike1337> lol
[04:06] <szf> quit " tired now"
[04:15] <dick-richardson> the .tar.gz file from webmin's site wants to choose "Generic Linux" which means that none of the startup scripts are put where they should be. Anyone dealt with this?
[04:39] <paradizel> anyone know where i need to go to find the webmin guys?
[04:40] <nosrednaekim> webmin?
[04:41] <paradizel> yes
[04:41] <paradizel> it's not working on gutsy
[04:41] <paradizel> it's detecting as generic linux
[04:41] <paradizel> and if i change it it doesn't stick
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> oh.... I thought you meant the ubutnu web admins ;)
[04:46] <h1st0> all kinds of stuff not working on gusty.
[04:46] <h1st0> audio playback in rhythmbox is all borked.  Random lock ups etc...
[04:46] <h1st0> All sorts of issues.
[04:47] <IntuitiveNipple> The Rhythmbox issue has been fixed :)
[04:47] <h1st0> Now i'm trying to update keep getting Error in select ()  whatever the hell that means.
[04:48] <h1st0> So i'm sure my install is probably hosed.
[04:49] <IntuitiveNipple> h1st0: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-ugly0.10/+bug/136264
[04:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136264 in gst-plugins-ugly0.10 "[gutsy]  0.10.14-1ubuntu3 regresses multi-cap playback" [High,Fix released] 
[04:54] <setuid> No working Atheros in Gutsy?
[04:54] <setuid> Even when I built from upstream source (the same source which works on Feisty and Edgy)
[04:54] <stdin> works here
[04:55] <stdin> with "05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c (rev 01)"
[04:55] <setuid> I can associate, I see Link Quality up at 47/70, but no packets
[04:55] <pwnguin> where to i file bugs against displayconfig-gtk?
[04:56] <RAOF> Launchpad.net?
[04:56] <setuid> stdin: Static or DHCP, I can't get packets across the interface
[04:56] <setuid> Some sort of SELinux in Gutsy?
[04:56] <pwnguin> it just seems like there should be a different package because the one i find doesnt have many bugs reported
[04:56] <stdin> pwnguin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/displayconfig-gtk/+filebug
[04:57] <setuid> The same physical hardware, running the same exact source tree of madwifi, works under Feisty and Edgy, but not Gutsy
[04:57] <stdin> setuid: DHCP
[04:57] <stdin> setuid: and I haven't messed with the apparmor thing
[04:58] <setuid> What apparmor thing?
[04:58] <stdin> that's the security (like SELinux) thing
[04:59] <setuid> Ok, confirmed... the kernel in Gutsy (by default) breaks the interface
[04:59] <setuid> Because my radio is on 2.452, and it just locked in on 2.437, and refuses to to anywhere else
[04:59] <setuid> But moments ago, it was locked on 2.452 with 47/70 Link quality, but I couldn't get packets to the next hop up (the WAP)
[05:00] <h1st0> What exactly is an intuitivenipple?
[05:00] <setuid> shoot, I'm going to have to reinstall Feisty
[05:01] <setuid> I would call this a grave bug
[05:01] <setuid> This close to release, and there's no working Atheros... sigh.
[05:03] <h1st0> Why aren't they fixing pam keyring prompt?
[05:06] <setuid> damnit
[05:09] <z0rz> Is the Sept 6th replace for the Tribe CD 6 on schedule?
[05:09] <z0rz> s/replace/release
[05:13] <h1st0> wow had an uptime of almost 30minutes there with gusty
[05:13] <h1st0> missed what any1 answered about pam keyring
[05:14] <pwnguin> you mean network manager?
[05:14] <pwnguin> probably because everyone copied some post on the planet and never bothered to fix the actual distribution
[05:15] <pwnguin> or maybe because libpam-keyring isn't considered viable
[05:15] <h1st0> well its a problem with the pam keyring module I guess
[05:15] <h1st0> If you build the new version it works just fine.
[05:16] <z0rz> h1st0: Is that a feat? (the uptime)
[05:17] <RAOF> h1st0: What about pamkeyring?  Woks for me.
[05:17] <RAOF> Or even "works".
[05:18] <h1st0> RAOF: if you have wireless with wep it prompts you for your keyring password on everyboot.
[05:18] <h1st0> Another funny thing I noticed was with the broadcomm cards it has the firmware availible when you install fromt he cd.  But it says it can't connect to the repo source.  Well obviosly if your card is down.
[05:19] <RAOF> h1st0: Not for me, but then I have pamkeyring installed.
[05:20] <h1st0> RAOF: how did you install pamkeyring?  from the repos or did you build it?
[05:20] <RAOF> sudo aptitude install libpam-keyring
[05:21] <h1st0> RAOF: see end users shouldn't have to do that.  That package should be included in ubuntu-desktop
[05:21] <h1st0> is the whole point.
[05:27] <setuid> I just ripped out apparmor and wpa_supplicant (I don't need them) and it still does not work
[05:27] <setuid> grrrr
[05:27] <pwnguin> h1st0: ask the Technical Council about it
[05:27] <pwnguin> they're the ones responsible for that sort of decision
[05:29] <setuid> I tried setting my WAP to B only, G only, Mixed... changed the channel (and saw the laptop via Atheros indicate that change), tried using the hex password, the ascii password... nothing. I can get Link quality, but no packets.
[05:29] <h1st0> I don't want to bother.  Hopefully someone will take care of it.  Seems rather annoying if they don't but then again i've seen worse things not working.
[05:53] <h1st0> Does gusty have dmraid support now on the installer?
[06:24] <stefano> Hello...
[06:30] <pwnguin> has anyone got tv out working with nv?
[06:34] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: what's NV? nvidia driver?
[06:34] <pwnguin> _lemsx1_: the open source driver
[06:35] <pwnguin> for nvidia
[06:35] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: that seems like a generic question. did you look for it in google?
[06:36] <pwnguin> when i use the nvidia binary driver, it sorta works, if i try to "clone" the outputs, the tv cuts off the right side
[06:37] <_lemsx1_> clone means? to copy it?
[06:38] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: what are you using to view the tv? can you use mplayer or something with more choices?
[06:38] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: xine perhaps?
[06:39] <pwnguin> why mplayer?
[06:39] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: i don't use any tv stuff on my PCs. i'm just giving you wild suggestions
[06:39] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: if what you want to do is copy stuff, mplayer allows more choices
[06:39] <pwnguin> hmm
[06:39] <pwnguin> ive not seen these
[06:40] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: install mencoder and mplayer (and transcode while you are at it)
[06:40] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: you will need to read (or look online for scripts)
[06:40] <pwnguin> i dont get what you're on about
[06:41] <pwnguin> i want to show a video via my tv out
[06:41] <pwnguin> in real time
[06:41] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: yes, what do you use to do that now?
[06:41] <pwnguin> vista :P
[06:41] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: is that you said "clone" and that sounded like "copying"
[06:42] <pwnguin> _lemsx1_: yes, clone the displays
[06:42] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: i hope you don't mean "Windows Vista"
[06:42] <pwnguin> the very same
[06:42] <pwnguin> as painful as it sounds
[06:42] <pwnguin> it does work
[06:42] <pwnguin> unlike nautilus
[06:42] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: you are using vista to view your tv?
[06:42] <pwnguin> when i want to connect my laptop to the tv, yes. im trying to fix this
[06:43] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: well, if that works, then use it
[06:43] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: nothing wrong with getting your job done
[06:43] <pwnguin> the closed source binary drivers for nvidia almost work
[06:44] <pwnguin> problem is that my laptop is wide screen and the tv is 4:3
[06:44] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: and the OSS ones don't even show a thing uh?
[06:44] <pwnguin> im not even sure how to tell them to
[06:44] <_lemsx1_> pwnguin: sounds like a bug to me... did you look in launchpad.net to see if there's anything reported on that?
[06:44] <pwnguin> displayconfig-gtk doesn't seem to have that option
[06:45] <RAOF> pwnguin: When I plugged in a tv, my nv drivers cloned the display to it on restart.  I'm not sure how well it worked, but I think it did.
[06:45] <pwnguin> hmm
[06:45] <pwnguin> nv?
[06:46] <pwnguin> there's a package called nvtv
[06:46] <RAOF> pwnguin: Yes, nv.
[06:46] <RAOF> But that was a bit ago, and I didn't really pay much attention.
[06:47] <pwnguin> i remember when i set up twinview on my desktop, it hated being disconnected from svideo =(
[06:48] <_lemsx1_> anybody using Azureus 2.5.x. on Gutsy?
[06:50] <Luke> I've installed gutsy on my laptop (i386 macbook) and now udev is infinite looping with this output to dmesg: [ 5297.992000]  device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[06:51] <Luke> [ 5297.992000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[06:51] <Luke> also taking up 100% CPU. anyone know how to fix this?
[06:52] <pwnguin> Luke: if you dont get an answer here, #ubuntu-laptop guys might
[06:52] <_lemsx1_> Luke: known bug
[06:52] <_lemsx1_> Luke: remove evms packages
[06:52] <h1st0> God I need to get rid off all this bluetooth crap
[06:53] <Luke> _lemsx1_: cool thanks. what would I have to search to find this myself? I've googled all around with no luck all day
[06:53] <_lemsx1_> h1st0: jeje!
[06:53] <_lemsx1_> Luke: just copy and paste the error on google and it points to launchpad.net
[06:53] <_lemsx1_> Luke: it worked for me
[06:53] <Luke> tried that first thing: didn't work
[06:53] <_lemsx1_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/119315
[06:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119315 in udev "[gutsy]  udevd hogs the processor and spams /var/log/messages (dup-of: 115616)" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[06:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,In progress] 
[06:54] <_lemsx1_> Luke: that's the bug
[06:54] <Luke> thanks
[06:54] <_lemsx1_> Luke: sure
[06:54] <h1st0> _lemsx1_: any idea how to do that?
[06:54] <h1st0> _lemsx1_: nothing in /etc/modules
[06:55] <_lemsx1_> h1st0: get rid of bluetooth? disable the service
[06:55] <_lemsx1_> h1st0: nah, no need
[06:55] <h1st0> _lemsx1_: its still loading at boot time is it not?
[06:56] <_lemsx1_> h1st0:  update-rc.d -f bluetooth remove
[06:56] <_lemsx1_> h1st0: nah, it won't
[06:57] <h1st0> They have so much garbage instaled default bluetooth ham radio crap etc...
[06:57] <_lemsx1_> h1st0: another way: /etc/default/bluetooth
[06:57] <_lemsx1_> h1st0: edit that file and disable stuff you don't care about
[06:58] <_lemsx1_> h1st0: or the whole bluetooth support: BLUETOOTH_ENABLED=1
[06:59] <h1st0> will give it a try ty
[07:15] <Adlai> running latest updates to gutsy on amd64, I'm getting some linking errors which I think are the root of a lot of problems
[07:16] <Adlai> specifically, /sbin/ldconfig.real: file /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.1d.51.38.0 is truncated
[07:16] <_lemsx1_> Adlai: like my azureus not working?
[07:16] <Adlai> and /sbin/ldconfig.real: file /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.1d is truncated
[07:16] <Adlai> anyone seen this / know the fix?
[07:16] <Adlai> _lemsx1_: no clue, not trying to run azureus
[07:16] <Adlai> besides, that's java, it doesn't sound like a linking error
[07:17] <_lemsx1_> Adlai: i was just pouring a bit of anger
[07:17] <Adlai> sorry, use rtorrent
[07:17] <_lemsx1_> Adlai: ldconfig was just uploaded, right?
[07:17] <_lemsx1_> Adlai: rtorrent?
[07:17] <h1st0> INstall world of padman seeing how this game checks out.
[07:17] <Adlai> _lemsx1_: just uploaded?
[07:18] <Adlai> (rtorrent is a ncurses-based bittorrent client
[07:18] <Adlai> )
[07:18] <_lemsx1_> Adlai: i just got an update for ldconfig today (libc6)
[07:19] <_lemsx1_> Adlai: ah, i would not want to use ncurses-based apps ;-) i know they are nice, but i want to move away from the terminal
[07:19] <_lemsx1_> Adlai: i wish there was a better client than azureus though...
[07:21] <DanaG> Something cool for me in 100.14.11 drivers: hotkey display switching works.
[07:21] <DanaG> However, it doesn't change resolution properly.
[07:22] <RAOF>  Cool.  Kinda.
[07:23] <DanaG> I like how Gateway uses the standard ACPI standard for hotkey display switching.
[07:23] <DanaG> No proprietary Sony or Toshiba anything.
[07:29] <blued> you mean how their rebranded laptops use the standard? :)
[07:30] <Ayabara> on my gutsy, my networking does not start up automatically when I start my computer. anyone know how to fix this?
[07:30] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: is your "lo" interface up?
[07:31] <Ayabara> _lemsx1_: I don't think it was, but now I have started networking, so I don't know for sure
[07:31] <Ayabara> the indicator in the tray had the "no network" sign at least :-)
[07:32] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: are you new to Linux?
[07:33] <Ayabara> _lemsx1_: no, I have used it for a while
[07:33] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: ok. open a terminal and type "ifconfig"
[07:33] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: also, see if dhcpclient is running for your interface. unless you don't use dhcp that is
[07:34] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: ps ax | grep -i dhc
[07:34] <Ayabara> _lemsx1_: both lo and eth0 is up, and dhcp is running
[07:34] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: the output of `ifconfig` should show "lo" with ip 127.0.0.1
[07:34] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: can you ping something? like google.com?
[07:35] <Ayabara> _lemsx1_: the "problem" is that I have done "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart", so now it works
[07:35] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: ah, i see
[07:35] <Ayabara> I have to do it manually at each booy
[07:35] <Ayabara> boot
[07:36] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: you need to see if when you reboot your lo interface is up
[07:36] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: what runlevel are you on?
[07:36] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: runlevel
[07:36] <Ayabara> _lemsx1_: I'll check lo and the dhcp at next boot
[07:36] <Ayabara> _lemsx1_: the default I guess :-)
[07:36] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: check that networking is a service for the runlevel you are using. ls /etc/rc2.d/*network*
[07:37] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: the command `runlevel` tells you for sure
[07:37] <Ayabara> _lemsx1_: I'm on runlevel 2, and the ls outputs nothing
[07:38] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: then that's your problem
[07:38] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: now, to fix it... let's see
[07:38] <Ayabara> _lemsx1_: sounds very relevant :-)
[07:39] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: umm...$> ls /etc/rcS.d/*network*
[07:39] <_lemsx1_> /etc/rcS.d/S40networking@
[07:39] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: see if you have it on /etc/rcS.d/...
[07:39] <Ayabara> _lemsx1_: had it there
[07:40] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: well, then it should work. i had a similar problem with an old PC. it never brought up "lo" and i never got networking unless i did it manually
[07:40] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: you will need to reboot to make sure this is not the case with you
[07:41] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: before you run networking by hand that is, make sure that ifconfig has "lo" as output
[07:41] <Ayabara> _lemsx1_: I have to do a bit of work, but I'll do it and check back later. appreciate your efforts :-)
[07:41] <h1st0> man its locking after loading completes.
[07:42] <_lemsx1_> Ayabara: ok
[07:42] <h1st0> world of padman is locking after loading completes sry
[07:52] <h1st0> Is there a way to log the terminal output?  I'm trying to troubleshoot why world of padman keeps crashing so I need to log its output if any after I launch it in a terminal.
[08:21] <Newb47> So I just installed Gutsy Tribe 5 and the terminal is acting really weird. Whenever I enter a command, nothing happens and I just get back to the prompt. Is there some setting somewhere that I need to change?
[08:22] <Newb47> anyone here?
[08:22] <pvandewyngaerde> yes
[08:23] <pvandewyngaerde> dunno about your problem
[08:40] <musikgoat> anyone know if there is a fix for quiet audio?   I've read a few places that its a bug, but I cant find reference in the bug reports
[08:43] <musikgoat> i have set the intel alsa mixer and the realtek oss mixer up, and get just a little sound when i have my speakers all the way up.  Why would volume control have two devices?
[08:44] <musikgoat> oh, looks like intel hda (high def audio) for alsa
[08:59] <jscinoz> Hey guys
[09:01] <jussi01> hi
[09:01] <jscinoz> How can i get ALSA working on a santa rosa laptop since the .10 kernel? I've tried building a new alsa driver from the mercurial source, but i can't load the modules, it states something about unknown symbol. If i use the official alsa-driver in the repo, when i run amixer i get "ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default" any ideas?
[09:01] <jussi01> jscinoz: which sound card is it?
[09:02] <jscinoz> intel HDA (integrated) ICH8 series
[09:02] <jussi01> !hda
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:02] <jussi01> gah
[09:03] <jussi01> jscinoz: go see if you can find a bug on lp about it. there is some special thing to do.
[09:03] <jussi01> !intelhda | jscinoz
[09:03] <ubotu> jscinoz: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[09:03] <jussi01> there you are
[09:04] <jscinoz> alright i'll try that and get back to you with the results
[09:04] <jussi01> great!
[09:05] <jscinoz> one other problem
[09:05] <jscinoz> since tryring to install alsa drivers from source, Deskbar crashes on startup and opens 4 bug buddy windows before closing, any ideas?
[09:05] <RAOF> jscinoz: Actually, I think that's *everyone*.
[09:06] <jscinoz> ouch
[09:06] <jscinoz> :P
[09:06] <jscinoz> i thought it was just me as i didnt happen until after a reboot after messing with alsa
[09:19] <noah__> !intelhda | noah__
[09:19] <SeveredCross> /soundstatus
[09:29] <ysth1> before updating today, closing the laptop lid (configured to "blank screen") would trigger the screensaver to lock the screen. now it doesn't.  Was it supposed to before?
[09:30] <pwnguin> i love nv code
[09:30] <pwnguin>       pNv->fpSyncs = pNv->PRAMDAC[0x0848/4]  & 0x30000033;
[09:31] <RAOF> "Using #defines for registers would make the code less understandable"
[09:32] <pwnguin> RAOF: on a scale from 1 to 10, how familiar are you with nv code?
[09:32] <RAOF> 0
[09:32] <pwnguin> doh
[09:32] <pwnguin> ive been pondering making a change, but i havent finished because a) my ppa isn't up and b) it cant be that easy
[09:33] <RAOF> pwnguin: that's just a quote from a mailing list by one of the nv developers.
[09:33] <pwnguin> i need nv to support rotating by 180 degrees
[09:33] <RAOF> !nouveau | pwnguin
[09:33] <ubotu> pwnguin: Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[09:33] <pwnguin> yea, i know you package noveau experimentally. thats why i asked ;)
[09:33] <RAOF> Really.  You can try the trunk branch, which maybe kinda supports xrandr1.2 :)
[09:33] <pwnguin> i have
[09:33] <pwnguin> and it does support 1.2 okay
[09:34] <pwnguin> just not the RR_180 part
[09:34] <pwnguin> i wasnt sure if that was intentional or what
[09:34] <pwnguin> just about every function uses this pointer to a struct
[09:34] <pwnguin> which i assume is really a global struct
[09:34] <RAOF> Hm.  I don't know, actually.
[09:35] <RAOF> I don't think a bug would go astray, though.
[09:35] <pwnguin> ?
[09:35] <RAOF> !no nouveau is <reply>Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[09:36] <pwnguin> heh
[09:36] <RAOF> pwnguin: A nouveau bug.  If it supports xrandr1.2, but doesn't support rotation by 180 degrees for you, you might as well report it.
[09:36] <pwnguin> with who?
[09:36] <pwnguin> nv doesnt support it either
[09:37] <pwnguin> and the code claims its ripped straight from intel
[09:37] <RAOF> bugzilla.freedesktop.org - the driver/nouveau component.
[09:37] <pwnguin> i dont use nouveau though
[09:37] <pwnguin> just nv
[09:38] <RAOF> Ah.  Then file a bug at launchpad against the nv driver.
[09:38] <pwnguin> where it can promptly go nowhere =(
[09:38] <pwnguin> ive already filed a bug there
[09:38] <RAOF> Well, sadly yes.
[09:39] <RAOF> pwnguin: Try nouveau.  As long as you're not after 3d, it's pretty much feature complete, and has comparable performance to nv.
[09:39] <pwnguin> just a month ago, you were telling me it wasnt even stable at 2d :P
[09:39] <RAOF> I think it pretty much works now.  For many cards :)
[09:40] <pwnguin> quadro nvs 110m
[09:40] <pwnguin> it seems im fairly rare
[09:40] <RAOF> Oh.  That's a NV5x, right?  Quite new?
[09:40] <pwnguin> ive heard people say its basically a 7300 go
[09:40] <RAOF> pwnguin: Rare is even better, you're more likely to be able to file novel bugs :P
[09:40] <pwnguin> but they could be idiots
[09:41] <RAOF> Oh, if it's basically a 7300go then you should be right.  You'll even get good EXA acceleration.
[09:41] <pwnguin> i thought exa was g80 only
[09:41] <RAOF> No, not at all.
[09:41] <RAOF> g80 (== nv5x) is actually pretty poorly supported.  You're thinking of the nv driver :)
[09:42] <pwnguin> the nv driver had a whole set of g80_ files
[09:42] <RAOF> The 7xxx series seems to be pretty much around the sweetspot.
[09:42] <RAOF> Yeah, *it* has g80 support.  And does xrandr1.2 on it, and EXA.
[09:43] <pwnguin> did we change subjects here?
[09:43] <RAOF> nouveau's g80 support has just got merged into trunk, and probably supports xrandr1.2 a bit, maybe :)
[09:43] <pwnguin> ah
[09:44] <pwnguin> arg. why does bugzilla have user accounts?
[09:45] <RAOF> Because launchpad does not yet rule the world.
[09:45] <pwnguin> or openID
[09:45] <RAOF> Mmm, that'd be cool.
[09:45] <jussi01> lol
[09:46] <pwnguin> holback or someone was working on it i think
[09:46] <pwnguin> but thats not the problem
[09:46] <pwnguin> its making bugzilla a consumer
[09:47] <RAOF> Well, yes.
[09:48] <pwnguin> i have all sorts of fun problems with the laptop.
[09:48] <pwnguin> tv out doesn't work right, widescreen screws up things, tablet rotations need xrandr
[09:49] <RAOF> You might want to subscribe to bug #1169
[09:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1169 in launchpad "Launchpad should support OpenID" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1169
[09:49] <ysth1> before updating today, closing the laptop lid (configured to "blank screen") would trigger the screensaver to lock the screen. now it doesn't.  Was it supposed to before?
[09:50] <RAOF> ysth1: Still does for me.
[09:53] <ysth1> RAOF: can you think of any settings I might have wrong?
[09:53] <h1st0> RAOF: I installed libpam-keyring didn't stop me from being prompted for keyring pass
[09:54] <RAOF> h1st0: You need to read and follow /usr/share/doc/libpam-keyring/README.Debian.  Yes, we could make it easier.  Maybe you should write a patch :)
[09:54] <RAOF> ysth1: Not really.
[09:55] <RAOF> h1st0: Perhaps I mean "yes, it could be easier".  It's probably not obvious how to do it right.
[09:56] <h1st0> RAOF: Theres already directions on the wiki on how to fix it.
[09:56] <h1st0> RAOF: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo?highlight=%28wpa%29#head-92c70cd59ecb39c8645a88a26134115395c7d904
[09:56] <RAOF> Yes.  However, it's a very different thing to make the package do that automatically.
[09:57] <RAOF> We know *how* to enable it.  There are instructions in the package itself.  However, the issue is getting the package to do it automatically in such a way that it won't accidentally make it impossible for people to login.
[09:59] <h1st0> Also the readme you are speaking of says nothign about auto logging in.
[09:59] <pwnguin> the big problem i can think of is when your keyring password is different than your login
[10:00] <h1st0> The bigger problem is that it doesn't even work.
[10:00] <RAOF> pwnguin: No, the *big* problem is messing with people's (possibly customised) pam configuration, and leaving them utterly unable to login.
[10:00] <h1st0> Well the people with custom pam configurations could figure it out.
[10:00] <h1st0> RAOF: My point is install libpam-keyring does nothing it still prompts for password.
[10:00] <RAOF> h1st0: Yes, I know.
[10:00] <h1st0> Then why did you recomend it?
[10:01] <RAOF> h1st0: Because when you set it up, it will work.
[10:01] <pwnguin> h1st0: because if you follow the directions, it works fine
[10:01] <RAOF> h1st0: "To enable this pam module, add  "@include common-pamkeyring" at the end of every pam service you use for logging in.
[10:02] <h1st0> What is a pam service?
[10:02] <pwnguin> a service that uses pam, id wager
[10:02] <RAOF> An authentication service.  Like the username/password box in gdm.
[10:03] <h1st0> Network manager is the only one i've seen prompt.
[10:03] <pwnguin> but really, the hack you're looking for is to iunclude common pam keyring when logging in with gdm
[10:03] <RAOF> This is because after you unlock your keyring, it's *unlocked* :)
[10:03] <h1st0> Okay now I understand it better.
[10:03] <RAOF> h1st0: Since network-manager is the first thing to ask you to unlock your keyring, it's the thing that you notice :)
[10:04] <bdgraue> after update from feisty to gutsy compiz fusion does not work, i removed all for now, whats the best way for gutsy to reinstall it?
[10:04] <pwnguin> and network manager is the only app that uses the keyring (i guess someone might be wanting to protect WEP ...)
[10:04] <pwnguin> only common app
[10:04] <RAOF> It unlocks all my ssh keys, too.
[10:04] <h1st0> Even still this fix would only bork people from logging in to gdm not terminal
[10:04] <blued> hmm.. I think nautilus's smb support uses the keyring
[10:05] <pwnguin> h1st0: what if you hotplug a pc card?
[10:05] <RAOF> More stuff should use the keyring, basically.
[10:06] <h1st0> pwnguin: don't have pcmcia
[10:06] <pwnguin> h1st0: others might
[10:06] <pwnguin> just trying to think of ways to trip up pam
[10:06] <h1st0> So is keyring like kwallet then?
[10:06] <RAOF> h1st0: Exactly.
[10:07] <RAOF> It is exactly the same thing, as far as I remember kwallet.
[10:07] <h1st0> But kwallet doesn't have these issues.  When did all this start for ubuntu?  Or has it always been there?  I just started using wep with network manager.
[10:07] <RAOF> It's always been there.
[10:08] <pwnguin> network manager stores wep in a keyring, becuase i guess someone thinks its important to secure what can be cracked in minutes
[10:08] <pwnguin> though wpa is also storedf
[10:09] <pwnguin> the old way was to just leave the key in interfaces or whatever
[10:09] <RAOF> Yay plain-text passphrase!
[10:09] <pwnguin> use SSL if you're worried
[10:10] <RAOF> No, I mean stored in /etc.
[10:10] <pwnguin> i know
[10:10] <pwnguin> big deal. someone with access to your computer might know the network key
[10:10] <pwnguin> if you're worried, you should be using SSL anyways
[10:11] <RAOF> Well, and my ssh keyphase, and my gpg keyphrase.
[10:11] <pwnguin> im not advocating that
[10:11] <RAOF> But SSL is only to the web.  And yes, wherever possible I use it :)
[10:11] <pwnguin> is it?
[10:12] <pwnguin> i thought ssl was a generic secured tcp/ip thing
[10:12] <RAOF> SSL = Secure Socket? Layer = make my http connection encrypted
[10:12] <pwnguin> i dont think that = is the correct symbol
[10:13] <RAOF> Yeah, pretty much.  But that's only for tcp/ip.  It doesn't help a bit on the local system.
[10:13] <RAOF> Ok, ~= :)
[10:13] <pwnguin> more like subset
[10:13] <pwnguin> TLS is used for more than http
[10:13] <pwnguin> https uses ssl
[10:13] <pwnguin> but its not the only use
[10:14] <RAOF> True.  For a lot of "I send you data over the internest" applications.
[10:15] <pwnguin> which is what i was saying. if you want to secure data over the network, SSL is the way to go. spending effort hiding breakable WEP keys, not so profitable
[10:15] <RAOF> Anyway.  The current situation is sub-optimal, true.  We need something better.
[10:15] <pwnguin> we could just wait for NM0.7
[10:15] <pwnguin> like we've been doing the last 2 years
[10:16] <RAOF> I was thinking more along the "automatically open gnome-keyring on login" lines.
[10:16] <RAOF> There's nothing intrinsicly wrong with gnome-keyring.
[10:16] <RAOF> Although it's insufficient for NM0.7's purposes.
[10:16] <pwnguin> actually, it seems .7 was released recently
[10:17] <RAOF> Not according to ftp.gnome.org
[10:18] <h1st0_> woohoo made it to 2hr 44min of uptime with gusty that time.
[10:18] <pwnguin> just some sillyness on the mailing list
[10:18] <h1st0_> err 1hr 44min
[10:26] <h1st0> rhythmbox audio is still crackly hrm...
[10:41] <Dana1> Does NetworkManager work with ndiswrapper?
[10:41] <Dana1> And does WPA2 AES work with bcm43xx?
[10:41] <h1st0> Any1 else have bad audio in rhythmbox?
[10:42] <_4strO> hi all
[11:18] <h1st0> Yeah any bit of bass in rhythmbox distorts the crap out of the audio
[11:19] <h1st0> I've tried VLC and it doesn't display this issue.  This is something new with GUSTY
[11:20] <soul9> does someone know an easy and simple way of migrating my / to an other partition?
[11:20] <soul9> I've heard of cat and dd beingused, but a howto would be really nice;..
[11:22] <DanaG> Argh, stupid bcm43xx.
[12:00] <praecox> hey guys
[12:00] <praecox> anyone around?
[12:00] <praecox> I've got a problem with running KDE session after last update.
[12:00] <praecox> it starts Xgl even if I choose KDE session. what can I do with this?
[12:02] <RAOF> Yup, that's right.
[12:03] <RAOF> Is this a problem?
[12:04] <praecox> yes, it is. I would like to log in and use normal KDE session, not Xgl one.
[12:05] <praecox> why is this happening?
[12:05] <Trewas> praecox: easiest to remove xserver-xgl package
[12:05] <praecox> actually Xgl with Compiz doesn't work very stable here.
[12:06] <praecox> and have some problems with it. I just kept it for experimental purpose. and now (after daily update) it's my default session.
[12:06] <praecox> can't even switch back to KDE session.
[12:06] <praecox> Trewas, well, it's an option, right. but I'd like to keep Xgl here, like I said - for experimental usage.
[12:07] <praecox> and simply be able to work as I used to on KDE session.
[12:08] <Trewas> I think the automagic start is caused by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00xserver-xgl_start-server, removing that probably helps
[12:08] <RAOF> Yup, that's right.
[12:09] <praecox> all right. so all I need to do is remove (backup) that file?
[12:09] <praecox> let me try...
[12:10] <praecox> oh, right. it works. briliant. thank you guys.
[12:10] <praecox> unless Xgl starts working stable in Kubuntu I can't use it to work.
[12:14] <praecox> one more thing... any news on when will KMail work? I mean it's partially do work but pasting into mail composer still causes crashes.
[12:17] <rents> hi, is there any way to see which tribe of ubuntu gutsy i am using?
[12:17] <rents> i case i dont remember
[12:18] <tonyyarusso> System > About Ubuntu maybe?
[12:18] <Dannilion> KMail crashes, Thunderbird is soooo slooow, and Mailody just doesn't work
[12:19] <Dannilion> anyone know a decent mail client for IMAP? :p
[12:19] <rents> tonyyarusso, nope
[12:19] <tonyyarusso> :(
[12:19] <tonyyarusso> rents: try lsb_release -a
[12:19] <jussi01> Dannilion: go get a proper version of kmail...mines fine...
[12:20] <jussi01> Dannilion: you run gutsy?
[12:20] <Dannilion> yes
[12:20] <jussi01> kmail is borked atm, go regress to the version in feist
[12:20] <jussi01> y
[12:20] <rents> tonyyarusso, won't tell anything about tribes
[12:20] <Dannilion> it's always been borked with imap- it's been crashing since Edgy
[12:21] <Dannilion> I see no difference at the moment :p
[12:21] <jussi01> Dannilion: oh... mines working fine with imap...
[12:21] <jussi01> on feisty at work...
[12:21] <Dannilion> it's the filtering it crashes on
[12:21] <Dannilion> so long as I don't try and filter my inbox, it works fine
[12:21] <jussi01> Dannilion: dont then :P
[12:22] <rents> anyways, do i get those "tribe upgrades" also by update manager or smth?
[12:22] <Dannilion> unfortunately with over 1000 email a day, I sorta need to filter :p
[12:22] <jussi01> lol
[12:22] <Dannilion> (and only about 50% of that is spam)
[12:23] <Dannilion> I have my own domain
[12:23] <jussi01> and?
[12:23] <Dannilion> I suppose I could forward it to gmail
[12:23] <jussi01> :P
[12:24] <jussi01> Dannilion: does evolution do IMAP?
[12:24] <Dannilion> not sure
[12:24] <Dannilion> haven't used evolution for years
[12:24] <jussi01> might be worth a try
[12:24] <Dannilion> yeah
[12:24] <jussi01> !info evolution
[12:24] <ubotu> evolution: groupware suite with mail client and organizer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.11.91-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 2542 kB, installed size 7912 kB
[12:24] <Dannilion> urg... 45MB to download for it
[12:25] <jussi01> hehe
[12:25] <jussi01> gnome libs...lol
[12:25] <rents> jussi01, yes it does
[12:25] <praecox> jussi01, I'm running Gutsy and KMail is crashing in composer. is there anything I can do? It's worth noting I'm using Kubuntu, not Ubuntu.
[12:26] <jussi01> praecox: as I just said to Dannilion, you could try regressing to feisty's version, It is working perfectly for me. but that only a !worksforme answer
[12:27] <jussi01> praecox: I am also using kubuntu
[12:27] <praecox> jussi01, what's the best way to downgrade it to feisty's version?
[12:28] <jussi01> praecox: ummm, Im not certain, but I would assume to remove gutsy's version throu apt-get and the download the deb from archive.ubuntu.com (my opinion only)
[12:30] <jussi01> Dannilion: what sort of connection you have?
[12:32] <jussi01> hello jrib
[12:32] <jrib> hey jussi01
[12:40] <Dannilion> 3G mobile
[12:40] <Dannilion> (sorry, was browsing websites)
[12:42] <jussi01> Dannilion: aha. hows that download coming?
[12:43] <Dannilion> just finished
[12:44] <jussi01> \o/
[12:48] <Dannilion> I can't find where to type my password into Evolution
[12:49] <jussi01> Dannilion: I have no idea on that one... sorry...
[12:50] <Dannilion> I can't use it- there is nowhere to type my password!
[12:50] <Xero> I need some help with Xgl/Compiz. For some reason when I do pretty much anything it gets choppy.
[12:50] <jussi01> Dannilion: go to #ubuntu and have some fun.....
[12:51] <jussi01> !compiz | Xero:
[12:51] <ubotu> Xero:: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:51] <Dannilion> I could try getting Mailody to work
[12:52] <jussi01> Dannilion: there will be a place for your password... keep looking
[12:52] <jussi01> it may just prompt you for ti
[12:52] <Dannilion> it prompted me on startup
[12:53] <Dannilion> restarting a program to get it to work is so Windows
[12:54] <jussi01> lol
[12:58] <jussi01> Dannilion: I have a feeling if you had hit send/receive it woul have prompted you also
[12:59] <rocky> hm... if i'm running gutsy on a laptop, should i have ubuntu-laptop-mode installed?
[01:00] <rocky> i was about to install it when i noticed it uninstalls ubuntu-desktop
[01:00] <rocky> and acpi-tools
[01:01] <jussi01> !info ubuntu-laptop-mode
[01:01] <ubotu> ubuntu-laptop-mode: Support for reducing hard drive power consumption. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 56 kB
[01:01] <jussi01> probably a nice thing...
[01:03] <Dannilion> heh- evolution is even slower than Thunderbird
[01:04] <jussi01> lol
[01:04] <Dannilion> it would be faster using Webmail
[01:06] <jussi01> :)
[01:06] <jussi01> Dont tell my wife.... :P
[01:06] <davmor2> is anyone using seahorse?
[01:08] <RivaeAerya> is KDE 4 gonna be in Gutsy?
[01:09] <davmor2> no optional extra probably gutsy+1 maybe
[01:09] <rocky> jussi01: yeah it looks like a nice thing, but it looks like it's not "standard" ... atm i'm experiencing problems where after my AC is unplugged for 45min or so the laptop freezes and has to be hard-shutdown with the power button
[01:11] <rocky> this has been happening with both feisty and gutsy
[01:14] <jussi01> rocky: it sounds like an overheating issue? is the lappy hot?
[01:14] <rocky> the lappy does get hot, yes, but why would that make a diff whether unplugged or plugged into AC ?
[01:14] <rocky> i mean ... i don't have this issue when it's plugged into AC
[01:14] <rocky> just when it's unplugged
[01:15] <jussi01> rocky: it could be a setting that the fan does not come on as its trying to save power or smthing.
[01:15] <rocky> ohhh
[01:15] <rocky> hm, could be
[01:16] <jussi01> that only me thinking about it though
[01:19] <rocky> just noticed that /etc/defaults/acpi-support has laptop-mode disabled by default
[01:19] <rocky> hm
[01:20] <jussi01> rocky: I suggest finding someone who actually knows about this, rather than me, who is guessing
[01:20] <rocky> ;)
[01:20] <rocky> been hard finding people ... so atm you will do ;)
[01:21] <rocky> what are the best logs to look into when something goes wrong? (ie the system freezes) ... dmesg doesn't seem to show anything out of the ordinary
[01:21] <jussi01> lol... I am at work, so that takes precedence. if I dont answer you know why...
[01:22] <rocky> you mean i won't get your immediate attention everytime i ask a question?!? then what am i paying you $100/hr for??? oh wait...
[01:22] <rocky> :)
[01:25] <davmor2> Anyone Seahorse
[01:32] <GuyFromHell> so i only have 5 min for now but lets see if anyone can help me in that time :P. I can't get my iwl4965 card to work with vpnc in ubuntu+1, but until recently (read: dead hard drive) i had kubuntu+1 (both tribe 5) and it worked flawlessly. In both distros I'm enabling everything manually so its not something for NetworkManager since i don't actually trust it yet. any ideas?
[01:32] <GuyFromHell> (wow that was a paragraph...)
[01:33] <GuyFromHell> the card successfully gets DHCP and an address but vpnc does not seem to stick, it says its running in the background but i never see a process
[01:33] <limetang> Is compositing enabled by default in Gutsy?
[01:35] <jscinoz> man i've tried everything to get ALSA going on the .10 kernel, no luck :(
[01:36] <GuyFromHell> woops times up, to class. i'll try again later
[01:37] <rocky> hm, if i want to add multiple options for "pci=blah" for kernel options, do i do "pci=blah,foo,bar" ?
[01:42] <zedstar> hi guys...quick question if i may....is there a nice gui tool that will let me edit a postint file in .deb package without manually unpacking/editing/repacking etc by hand?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> zedstar: errrr...
[01:52] <jussi01> zedstar: I dont think so.....
[01:54] <davmor2> zedstar: what are you wanting to do to what?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> zedstar: grab the source, modify the postinst there, and then rebuild the deb.  much more sane.
[01:56] <zedstar> davmor2: well a couple of packages cpp and gij are not installing as they are trying to run update-alternatives with the --quiet argument which is not supported was looking for quick way to get past this
[01:58] <davmor2> pass but at least people who can help know what your trying to do now :)
[01:59] <zedstar> so as a kludge i can edit out the offending --quiet in the posint file of those 2 packages but seems a bit dodgey
[02:00] <jussi01> zedstar: apt-get source packagename , do your thing, then rebuld the deb
[02:01] <zedstar> jussi01 yep will do that thanx
[02:03] <zedstar> hmm apt-get source cpp gets a whole bunch of compiler stuff i think it gonna be easier to hack the existing deb file
[02:23] <davmor2> is anyone running seahorse?
[02:41] <IdleOne> !info seahorse
[02:41] <ubotu> seahorse: A Gnome front end for GnuPG. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.19.91-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 4005 kB, installed size 10628 kB
[02:43] <IdleOne> davmor2: what is the problem?
[02:45] <davmor2> IdleOne: Can you confirm a bug for me please.  In Preferences/keyservers can you hi-light the automatically retrieve keys from keyservers tickbox.  then go back into it an see if it has stay selected?
[02:47] <IdleOne> davmor2: let me install it and see what we get
[02:47] <davmor2> ta
[02:50] <[andres] > hiya... upgraded my dell laptop to gutsy a couple of days ago. everything is working lovely, apart from my wifi that somehow died silently. anyone feel like helping me figure out if this is a proper bug or just me being daft?
[02:52] <davmor2> [andres] : is it by chance ipw3945?
[02:53] <[andres] > davmor2: bang on target
[02:54] <[andres] > davmor2: I mean to say - yes, you are right about that
[02:54] <Hobbsee> got linux-ubuntu-modules-{uname -r} installed?
[02:54] <davmor2> new driver in the process at the moment.  Is the network your connecting to have no protection
[02:55] <[andres] > well, it's up to me really (about protection). right now, the connection manager doesn't even see my wifi...
[02:56] <IdleOne> I need more RAM.
[02:56] <davmor2> IdleOne: ram ram ram ram ram ram how's that
[02:57] <IdleOne> thanks but it didnt help much :P
[02:57] <IdleOne> ok starting seahorse
[02:59] <IdleOne> davmor2: now what is it you need me to do?
[02:59] <IdleOne> davmor2: the the tickbox does not stay selected
[03:00] <IdleOne> seems like it may be a bug
[03:00] <davmor2> thanks IdleOne
[03:00] <IdleOne> np
[03:00] <IdleOne> my pleasure
[03:05] <mody_> Hi all, It seems when I installed Ububntu, I have formatted the whole fat32 partion which has important data, how can I recover it
[03:11] <Hobbsee> mody_: gutsy?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> and you probably cant.
[03:11] <TheInfinity> mody_: did you install data on this partition?
[03:11] <IdleOne> mody_: dont quote me but I dont think you can without expensive software
[03:12] <TheInfinity> IdleOne: same idea here - i never found open source software or freeware doing this really good. if someones finds that ... inform me :)
[03:13] <IdleOne> mody_: you can try taking it to your local pc store and explain to them what you did and they may be able to recover some of the data but you will have to pay for the service
[03:14] <IdleOne> mody_: also I dont want to rurb salt on the wound but next time read before clicking :/
[03:14] <IdleOne> rurb/rub
[03:15] <TheInfinity> IdleOne: read does not help, repartitioning is always dangerous -> ALWAYS backup all data before make changes ...
[03:16] <IdleOne> TheInfinity: perhaps someone should write a nice GUI autobackup utility for Ubuntu
[03:16] <IdleOne> unless there already is one
[03:16] <TheInfinity> IdleOne: a really good working console backup utility would be the first step ...
[03:16] <Hobbsee> there are a few
[03:16] <Hobbsee> in various qualities, iirc
[03:17] <TheInfinity> and at all - revovering ext3 is really ... huh.
[03:17] <IdleOne> I believe it would be very usefull if the Install/upgrade cd's had a utility that did that and asked if you wanted to backup any data while giving the option to save some default dir and then adding anything you want to it
[03:18] <TheInfinity> IdleOne: nice idea ...
[03:19] <IdleOne> it could perhaps save the data to an unused portion of the drive and auto partition so Windows partition is not touched
[03:19] <mody_> IdleOne, thank you for the advise
[03:19] <IdleOne> mody_: np I hope you can get your data back
[03:20] <IdleOne> and the Utility could be called Idle-BackUp-Tool :)))
[03:20] <mody_> TheInfinity, I was trying to install ubuntu but I cancelled it but unfurtunately after it has formated the whole FAT32 partition to the new EXT3
[03:21] <mody_> Hobbsee, what you mean by futsy?
[03:21] <IdleOne> mody_: what version of ubuntu?
[03:21] <mody_> IdleOne, thanks for your kind
[03:22] <IdleOne> but I dont think the version matters.
[03:22] <mody_> IdleOne, I am new, so I don't know the version but I think it is the latest version
[03:22] <IdleOne> should say on the CD or in the name of the iso. 7.04 7.10?
[03:24] <mody_> IdleOne, I have the same version running now on another computer, how can I check the version
[03:24] <IdleOne> in terminal type lsb_release -a
[03:25] <davmor2> or System about ubuntu also
[03:25] <mody_> IdleOne, Release: 7.04
[03:26] <IdleOne> 7.04 is codename Feisty Fawn
[03:26] <IdleOne> 7.10 is Gutsy Gibbon
[03:26] <IdleOne> !gutsy
[03:26] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[03:27] <IdleOne> smoke break
[03:27] <mody_> ubotu, it returns to me that the release is 7.04
[03:28] <davmor2> ubotu is a bot not a person
[03:28] <Toma-> *chuckle*
[03:29] <sam1338> !lenny
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lenny - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <zedstar> the update-alternatives program in my gutsy does not support the --quiet options but packages are coming in now using this....anyone know where i get a update-alternative binary that works?
[03:35] <zedstar> i manually edited out --quiet in some postinst etc scripts in a couple of packages and managed to install them but more are coming in using it so that is a lost cause
[03:48] <zedstar> anyone know which package the 'update-alternatives' binary comes from?
[03:50] <zedstar> also, if u enter update-alternatives --quiet does it fail?
[03:50] <IdleOne> zedstar: not sure if this helps but check packages.ubuntu.com
[03:51] <zedstar> i was looking on packages but not able to locate
[03:57] <knix_> Hello all.  My cd/dvd rom on my laptop stopped working.  Now it doesnt even read the discs.  How can I fix this?
[04:03] <knix_> My dvd/cd rom is no longer reading.
[04:04] <IdleOne> knix_: when was the last time it worked?
[04:05] <limetang> How can I make XGL start with +xinerama when I boot?
[04:06] <knix_> IdleOne, Saturday.  I was ripping a dvd at that time, and it froze on me.  ever since then, nothing
[04:06] <IdleOne> knix_: possible the drive just died. is it a new drive or older?
[04:06] <knix_> Its in a laptop.  3 years old
[04:07] <IdleOne> knix_: yeah it could have just died on you. laptop still have warranty?
[04:07] <knix_> I doube it
[04:07] <IdleOne> or maybe just go out and by a new cd/dvd drive
[04:07] <knix_> kk
[04:07] <limetang> knix_: have you got any other operating systems installed?
[04:08] <IdleOne> yeah try burning with another os?
[04:08] <knix_> Heck no.  Windows is my last resort.  This is my work laptop.  I will try to boot up to a live cd, and get back to you guys.  TY
[04:08] <knix_> I would rather hang myself than to use windows
[04:09] <knix_> brb
[04:09] <limetang> I mean just to check whether the drive is working.
[04:09] <knix_> limetang, I know, :)
[04:09] <limetang> Ok.
[04:10] <IdleOne> I kinda like using windows now and then. Reminds me how lucky I am to have installed Ubuntu on my machine :)
[04:11] <Mez> any idea why I cant play theora files in gutsy?
[04:12] <IdleOne> Mez: do you need a codecs installed maybe. dont know what theora files are
[04:12] <Mez> IdleOne, theora are .ogg video files
[04:12] <spark-s> 
[04:12] <IdleOne> Mez: they should play
[04:12] <Mez> which is a free format. I can play the audio off them and a lot of ffree and non-free video formats, but I cant play theora files... which is damned annoying
[04:13] <limetang> Have you got libtheora0 installed?
[04:13] <Mez> yes
[04:13] <Mez> limetang, and -bin and -dev
[04:13] <limetang> OK.
[04:14] <knix_> Ok.  I am back.  I booted up to gutsy live cd just fine.
[04:15] <Mez> am trying to play somethign that played before I reinstalled a gutsy install
[04:15] <shirish> hi all, does anybody how I would give 700 to /home/shirish, I want only the owner i.e. shirish to be able to read & execute everything, not anyone else.
[04:15] <setuid> It seems Atheros is DOA in Gutsy. I'm installing Feisty from the release iso to verify that it works there.
[04:15] <setuid> shirish: chmod 0700 /home/shirish?
[04:15] <Mez> shirish, sudo chmod 700 /home/shirish
[04:16] <Hobbsee> +R
[04:16] <setuid> I tried madwifi-ng, madwifi-old, the Atheros driver from linux-restricted-modules, building a bleeding-edge git kernel + madwifi svn trunk... nothing I tried gets packets across that interface.
[04:16] <shirish> Hobbsee: so it should be read chmod 700 +R /home/shirish ?
[04:16] <Mez> Hobbsee, not neccessarily ... that'd mean all the files in there, which'd be a security risk
[04:16] <setuid> Not +R
[04:16] <setuid> Do not recurse
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Mez: this is true, but he did say everything.
[04:17] <shirish> ah +r for recursively.
[04:17] <Mez> no, he wanted the home dir....
[04:17] <setuid> I tried using wpa_supplicant and ndiswrapper against the same ath0 interface under Gutsy... still no-go.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Mez: i was assuming it was everything in the home dir, too.
[04:17] <setuid> Hobbsee: +x on the directory allows execute below
[04:18] <Mez> Hobbsee, meaning that some scrips in there would be set executable? BAD idea
[04:18] <setuid> Setting 0700 on everything below /home/whatever would be an enormous security risk (not to mention, likely break apps)
[04:18] <setuid> Especially if /home/shirish is also a public_html directory
[04:19] <setuid> www.example.com/~shirish/delete_files.sh
[04:19] <shirish> setuid: Actually I want to be more secure, not less.
[04:19] <setuid> shirish: Then use 0600 for now
[04:20] <setuid> You very likely don't want to run "programs" from within your home directory, and you shouldn't allow that anyway
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Mez: i never said anything about whether it was a smart idea to set the ~ as 700
[04:20] <setuid> Mount /home noexec,nodev
[04:21] <Mez> aha, I think i have the problem!
[04:22] <setuid> Anyone here using Gutsy on a Thinkpad with an Atheros chipset?
[04:23] <setuid> Edgy -> Feisty worked great... but Gutsy, dead.
[04:23] <shirish> setuid: I did chmod 0600 to /home/shirish now it doesn't lemme enter into my own /home/shirish directory
[04:23] <setuid> shirish: oops, you're right... 0700 there then
[04:23] <setuid> I forgot a 'cd' is an execute
[04:24] <shirish> setuid: ls, cd are all execute if I understand correctly
[04:27] <setuid> Did it work?
[04:28] <shirish> setuid: yup it worked, by default what permissions are there, anybody knows?
[04:30] <Mike> Hey I got a little problem,  Im running Tribe 5, and Im new to linux running tribe 5 cause Feisty refused to recongize the existance of my only cd drive due to compability issues with SATA, (it works fine in Gusty though)  ANyway When I was at the login screen I pushed my keyboard/mouse drawer on my desk in, and I have no earthly idea how it happened but my screen zoomed in really close and moving to the edge of my screen scrolls ar
[04:33] <Mike> anyone?
[04:33] <setuid> Your text was truncated
[04:33] <setuid> Try not saying so much in one line
[04:35] <Mike> Okay, im in tribe 5, I was in the login screen, I pushed my keyboard drawer in that has my keyboard and mouse on it
[04:35] <Mike> and my screen zoomed in
[04:35] <Mike> I have no idea how that happened
[04:36] <Mike> and I cant figure out how to zoom back out to normal
[04:36] <Mike> when I move my mouse to the edge of the screen it scrolls to the areas of my desktop I cant see
[04:37] <silwol> Mike: try holding down the windows button and then scrolling the wheel on your mouse
[04:38] <Mike> Dont do anything
[04:38] <Mike> People in #ubuntu sent me here when I told them that did not work
[04:39] <davmor2> Mike: what graphics card do you have?
[04:39] <silwol> i dont know if this is the default setting, but on my configuration, this is the shortcut for compiz zooming
[04:39] <setuid> Hit escape?
[04:39] <Mike> EVGA 256mb 128-bit Nvidia Geforce 7600GT
[04:39] <Mike> escape does nothing
[04:39] <setuid> Jiggle the cable.
[04:40] <Mike> jiggle the mouse cable ?
[04:40] <setuid> ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:40] <c1|freaky> an someone tell me how i can disable the xgl extension which is enabled by default now? screen build-up is really slow im going crazy
[04:40] <silwol> puh, lets see if he comes back...
[04:40] <Mike> that restarted
[04:41] <Mike> sent me back to login
[04:41] <setuid> Right, which should fix it
[04:41] <Mike> Im still zoomed in
[04:41] <setuid> Reboot
[04:41] <Mike> I tried that
[04:41] <Mike> Still zoomed in
[04:41] <Mike> Reboot was the first thing I did
[04:41] <setuid> Wait, its still zoomed even after a _reboot_?
[04:41] <Mike> YES
[04:41] <setuid> Try powering down and powering back up, cold.
[04:41] <setuid> Not a warm start, but a cold start
[04:41] <Mike> okay brb
[04:42] <knix_> Alright.  I am pulling my hair out here.  Some Dvd's read and some don't.  When they dont the system goes real slow and I have to manually reboot.
[04:43] <setuid> bad dvd? tail the logs, look for seek or IO errors
[04:43] <setuid> What are you playing them with? vlc? mplayer? xine? totem? Other?
[04:44] <Mike> Okay shut down powered off and restarted
[04:44] <Mike> still zoomed
[04:44] <knix_> setuid, autorun
[04:44] <setuid> Mike: Sounds like your video card is damaged in some way
[04:44] <Mike> any more suggestions?
[04:44] <Mike> Oh?
[04:44] <setuid> If you cold-booted, and its still zoomed...
[04:44] <knix_> If I open it in vlc/movie player etc... still freezes up
[04:44] <setuid> Is the bios zoomed too?
[04:44] <Mike> nope
[04:44] <Mike> everything else is fine
[04:44] <Mike> but just to be safe
[04:44] <setuid> Only after it gets into X?
[04:44] <Mike> let me check my windows partition
[04:45] <setuid> knix_: autorun?
[04:45] <setuid> That's a Windows thing
[04:46] <setuid> I don't think Linux parses autorun.inf on removable media
[04:48] <knix_> setuid, by autorun, I mean by inserting the dvd and letting it autorun.
[04:48] <setuid> Incredibly stupid thing to allow
[04:48] <Mike> My bios and windows partition arent zoomed, ITs just Ubuntu
[04:48] <setuid> Probably not your fault, but that's a hugely stupid thing to set by default
[04:49] <knix_> lol
[04:49] <setuid> Mike: Maybe some accessibility setting in Ubuntu?
[04:49] <setuid> knix_: Think of the security implications?
[04:49] <Mike> how would I check those?
[04:49] <setuid> Mike: Under "Sessions"
[04:49] <Mike> Im new to Ubuntu, im on the tribe 5 cuase 7.04 was incompabatle with my cd drive
[04:50] <davmor2> Mike: can you see the sessions button bottom left of your screen?
[04:50] <Mike> I can move my mouse to the edge of the screen and scroll down there
[04:50] <knix_> setuid, you are correct.  I am sorry, I did not mean autorun, I meant mount wise.
[04:51] <davmor2> hang on, can you scroll everything around?
[04:52] <Mike> Yes
[04:52] <knix_> setuid, and I know its a good dvd.  i could watch it on my feisty desktop.
[04:53] <Mike> Id be kinda screwed here If I couldnt
[04:53] <davmor2> if so it may be that your res is higher than your screen can take so it is running it as a virtual desktop at the size of the res
[04:53] <Mike> how do i check this?
[04:53] <setuid> davmor2: good catch
[04:53] <Mike> and how did this end up happening
[04:53] <Mike> I just pushed my keyboard/mouse drawer in while on the login screen and when I did that I zoomed in
[04:54] <Mike> thats the baffling part I didnt press or click anything
[04:54] <davmor2> there is a new screen setup util that tries to set everything as high as it can by default
[04:54] <Mike> and the odds of it being a well timed random glitched
[04:54] <davmor2> it could just of been an update
[04:54] <davmor2> go into your ubuntu session
[04:55] <davmor2> select System from the menu top left
[04:55] <Mike> yea System>Pref>sessions
[04:56] <davmor2> Mike: no start ubuntu login
[04:56] <Mike> brb
[04:56] <knix_> setuid, were would I find these logs?
[04:57] <molle-molle-moll> i wish debian worked ok on my hardware then i wouldnt have to use ubuntu
[04:58] <setuid> knix_: /var/log/messages, /var/log/debug, /var/log/kern.log and so on
[04:58] <knix_> ty
[04:58] <Robbster> I've just update the xserver via update-manger and my X is in serious pain. I get gliches on the screen, scrolling seems like I'm on a 486 with 32M RAM and application launchers on my panel are screwy. (Lenovo Z61M with ATI X1400).
[04:59] <Mike> Wellll, I didnt see anything in the top left corner
[04:59] <Mike> on the login screen
[04:59] <Robbster> I want to 'roll-back' to a previous version, and report a bug. how do I roll back?
[05:00] <LinAsH> Robbster, see if you have it in your local cache (/var/cache/apt/archive)
[05:00] <davmor2> Mike: no mike actually log into ubuntu
[05:01] <setuid> snapshots.debian.net was a nice resource for that... too bad there's no Ubuntu parallel
[05:01] <Robbster> LinAsH: there are a whole lot of cache files there - looks like a good place to start. I suppose that I can just dpkg -i the xserver-* files?
[05:02] <LinAsH> Robbster, exactly
[05:02] <davmor2> Mike: then goto System->Administration->Screens and Graphics
[05:02] <davmor2> lower the res to 1024x768 and try that
[05:02] <Robbster> won't it complain about it being an older version than the one installed?
[05:02] <Robbster> then i'll use --force, right? will that break mt xorg.conf file?
[05:03] <LinAsH> Robbster, yes, and no ;)
[05:03] <Robbster> LinAsH: Great...
[05:03] <molle-molle-moll> sudo apt-get install porn would be great
[05:04] <setuid> There are tools to do that already
[05:04] <setuid> pornfiller or pornfilter or something does it
[05:04] <Robbster> yeah, but I don't think that you have enough disk-space for that ;)
[05:04] <molle-molle-moll> in the ubuntu repo?
[05:04] <molle-molle-moll> i have about 170gb in my /home
[05:04] <setuid> apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search porn
[05:05] <davmor2> molle-molle-moll: you're a sad sad individual :)
[05:05] <molle-molle-moll> all i find it pornview
[05:05] <Mik1> yikes my messenger froze up
[05:05] <LinAsH> setuid, look like, we have an expert user there ;)
[05:06] <setuid> Who?
[05:06] <sam1338> pornview has hands free viewing so i dont have to interrupt my hand motions
[05:06] <setuid> TMI
[05:07] <shirish> rofl
[05:07] <chand> hi
[05:07] <Mik1> so anyone got any other ideas on how to get my desktop zoomed out to normal?
[05:07] <sam1338> Slideshows allow for unattended
[05:07] <sam1338> presentation of images for hands-free viewing. Pornview is written
[05:07] <sam1338> using GTK+.
[05:07] <sam1338> oops
[05:07] <sam1338> Mik1 using compiz fusion?
[05:08] <setuid> Mike: use a failsafe mode, then reconfigure X's resolutions
[05:08] <Mik1> ?
[05:08] <Mik1> what/
[05:08] <Mik1> Im new to linux I hav eno idea what you just said
[05:08] <setuid> Sessions -> Failsafe
[05:08] <sam1338> use sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change your resolution
[05:09] <sam1338> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg this is the easiest way imo
[05:09] <Mik1> I dont think its a resolution issue
[05:09] <Mik1> cause I can scroll around my screen by  moving the mouse to the edge
[05:09] <davmor2> Mik1: why?
[05:10] <sam1338> sounds like a resolution issue
[05:10] <sam1338> too high resolution i think
[05:11] <Mik1> wouldnt it just be easier to go to System>Prefrences>Screen Resolution isntead of using the termimal?
[05:11] <sam1338> no because that gui tool is very limited and not display the resolution your looking for
[05:11] <Mik1> by the way
[05:11] <sam1338> it may work
[05:11] <Mik1> I used that gui tool to change my resolution to something small like 960x600
[05:11] <Mik1> and it zoomed up REALLLLLLY CLose
[05:12] <davmor2> no you need to use admin/screens and graphics
[05:12] <Mik1> and I couldnt see anything
[05:12] <Mik1> everything just went ungodly huge
[05:13] <sam1338> You spin me right round baby, Right round!
[05:13] <setuid> http://www2.b3ta.com/namethatbeard/
[05:13] <setuid> Ok, that's just too funny
[05:14] <Robbster> LinAsH: apt cach has the version that was upgraded to:(. i'll need to pull the older version from the CD?
[05:14] <sam1338> first one looks like osamas
[05:14] <LinAsH> Robbster, you've got an ati card?
[05:15] <davmor2> Mik1: do sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the word nvidia to nv in the driver section then press ctrl-x, then y, the enter then alt-ctrl-backspace
[05:15] <Robbster> yeah, X1400.
[05:15] <Robbster> worked fine with the tribe5 version.
[05:15] <LinAsH> Robbster, I just got a this problem too ;)
[05:15] <Robbster> yay!
[05:16] <LinAsH> Robbster, but could not resolve it :(
[05:16] <Robbster> we should log this as a bug, but what information to supply?
[05:16] <Robbster> LinAsH: is your X also lethargic?
[05:16] <LinAsH> Robbster, it's already reported I think
[05:16] <sam1338> anybody getting bug 130325?
[05:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx-new]  glxgears, 3d apps crash X when using compiz-fusion (gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130325
[05:17] <Robbster> I've got some screenshots to support.it. I'll  see if I can find a bug#
[05:17] <LinAsH> Robbster, In fact it was, because I reinstall it all (also because there was to much other things to fix) and now it works with last gutsy
[05:17] <Robbster> tribe 5 seemed to work fine for me.
[05:20] <LinAsH> Robbster, try the radeon driver instead of fglrx
[05:22] <sam1338> You spin me right round baby, Right round!
[05:22] <LinAsH> Robbster, here my xorg.conf, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36330/
[05:23] <limetang> How can I run XGL with +xinerama?
[05:34] <sam1338> ffs firefox keeps crashing on youtube
[05:35] <kousotu> hello, I am havingtrouble compiling a theme, can anyone help me with that?
[05:41] <kousotu> hello, I am havingtrouble compiling a theme, can anyone help me with that?
[05:41] <jussi01> kousotu: sure
[05:41] <jussi01> what the prob?
[05:42] <kousotu> ok, well I downloaded a few hemes fro the gnome art site, and some are simply source
[05:42] <kousotu> but I can't compile them
[05:42] <jussi01> so what is the specific error you are having?
[05:43] <kousotu> !paste
[05:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:43] <kousotu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36335/
[05:44] <DanaG> Hmm, are any of you using a Ralink RT2500 wireless card?
[05:44] <kousotu> (needed the url for pastebin lol)
[05:44] <jussi01> lol
[05:44] <DanaG> I can join WPA2 with TKIP, but not with AES-CCMP.
[05:44] <phixnay> I hear the madwifi drivers and cd drive support are better in gutsy. Is gutsy stable enough to use firefox and play snes9x?
[05:44] <kousotu> what driver are you using?
[05:45] <kousotu> phixnay: It's stable enough on my pc with 512 ram
[05:45] <DanaG> rt2500pci.
[05:45] <DanaG> oh, addressed to a different person?
[05:46] <phixnay> kousotu: awesome! Even since I've been connected to this channel, my internet has disconnected twice
[05:46] <kousotu> DanaG: the linux one?
[05:46] <phixnay> next time I'll use a better card and ndiswrapper
[05:46] <kousotu> phixnay: I'm using my AR5007EG on ndis
[05:46] <jussi01> hmmm
[05:46] <DanaG> The card is a "Zone ZE1501", cardbus.
[05:46] <jdong> is Xorg borked today or is it just me?
[05:46] <DanaG> er, Zonet.
[05:47] <EvilBro> When I upgrade to gutsy, will software I compiled myself (which is located in /usr/local) be affected or will that software affect the upgrade?
[05:47] <jdong> EvilBro: unless the ABI of a dependent library cahnges those should be intact
[05:47] <jussi01> jdong: its just you, mine is fine
[05:47] <EvilBro> ABI = API?
[05:47] <jdong> EvilBro: roughly, for this purpose :)
[05:48] <jdong> I'm sure some hardcores in here died a little inside at that statement :D
[05:48] <jdong> jussi01: urgh, ok
[05:48] <EvilBro> Please accept my newby-apologies...
[05:48] <jussi01> kousotu: weird errors there
[05:49] <jdong> eep...
[05:49] <kousotu> jussi01: I know
[05:49] <jdong> avialable is borked on my box
[05:49] <jussi01> maybe jdong would be kind enough to have a look for you...
[05:49] <jdong> well that explains a lot :D
[05:49] <jdong> jussi01: is it something quick?
[05:49] <kousotu> jussi01: same crap when installling ndiswrapper from source
[05:49] <jussi01> kousotu: maybe try not being root
[05:49] <jussi01> its not a good way to do stuff
[05:50] <jdong> eep, a lot of things are borked
[05:50] <kousotu> o..k... ad how can i do that without closing the terminal?
[05:50] <jdong> well... I think it's time for the goold ol reinstall :D
[05:50] <phixnay> ok, so if I remember correctly, "gksu "update-manager -c -d" will update this computer to gutsy
[05:51] <jussi01> just open a new one...
[05:51] <phixnay> without all those quotes maybe
[05:54] <kousotu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36336/
[05:56] <kousotu> jussi01: and more bright ideas? (no ofense intended, I knew that wasn't going to work)
[05:56] <EvilBro> when gutsy is released, is it possible to download the live-CD version and update an existing system from that CD?
[05:57] <jussi01> kousotu: Im having a look at it. can you give me the url you got the package from?
[05:57] <kousotu> EvilBro: you should be bleto do that without the cd
[05:57] <kousotu> jussi01: sure thing, just a sec
[05:58] <EvilBro> kousotu: I know I should be able to do that without the CD, but I'm asking whether it is possible to do that with the CD.
[05:58] <kousotu> http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/icewm/
[05:58] <IdleOne> EvilBro: I bleieve you can do that with the live cd. I know you can with the Alternate CD
[05:59] <kousotu> jussi01: I'm trying to do this: http://themes.freshmeat.net/screenshots/60354/
[05:59] <EvilBro> That would be nice (as I want a live-cd for safety anyways and there is no point in downloading it twice)
[05:59] <kousotu> or at least something similar
[06:00] <jussi01> kousotu: hmmm, but I need a link to where you got the source from...
[06:00] <phixnay> is this how you get gutsy? gksu update-manager -c -d
[06:01] <kousotu> jussi01: that is
[06:02] <kousotu> hat's the source I'm trying to compile
[06:02] <kousotu> the link to it is on that page
[06:02] <mok0> I've a problem in a newly upgraded gutsy system: I get 1000's of these messages: "device mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table"... perhaps 10/sec.
[06:02] <kousotu> http://themes.freshmeat.net/redir/icewm/4295/url_tgz/icewm-1.2.26.tar.gz
[06:04] <kousotu> your source link jussi01
[06:05] <kousotu> mok0: apt-get upgrade
[06:05] <jussi01> kousotu:
[06:05] <kousotu> ?
[06:05] <jussi01> im having a look
[06:05] <kousotu> k
[06:05] <rents> hi, me again :p
[06:06] <jussi01> arrgh, no... not rents!!
[06:06] <jussi01> :p
[06:06] <rents> :D
[06:06] <rents> 1 question
[06:06] <kousotu> lmao
[06:06] <rents> http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/189/screenshotupdatemanagerkf7.png can someone maybe explain this?
[06:06] <kousotu> rents sucks lol
[06:06] <rents> it just sits for a couple of days there by now
[06:07] <kousotu> I have the same
[06:07] <mok0> kousotu: thx, am trying that this very minute
[06:07] <jussi01> rents: do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:07] <jussi01> iirc
[06:07] <rents> ok
[06:07] <kousotu> rents: I have the same thing on my iinstall, it's normal
[06:08] <rents> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:08] <rents>   python-launchpad-bugs
[06:08] <rents> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[06:08] <jussi01> kousotu: ubuntu or kubuntu or ? for you?
[06:08] <kousotu> you hve the original one?
[06:08] <kousotu> ub
[06:09] <kousotu> gnome, of course
[06:09] <kousotu> lol
[06:09] <jussi01> kousotu: I use kde, so be careful.
[06:09] <kousotu> oh wait...
[06:10] <kousotu> Dependencies:  [change] 
[06:10] <kousotu> imlib 1.9.14 (required)
[06:10] <kousotu> GNOME Blackbox (Default branch) (optional)
[06:10] <kousotu> KDE 3.0 (optional)
[06:10] <kousotu> nvm damn depenencies
[06:10] <jussi01> however, If i understand this correctly, it is an icewm theme, not a metacity theme, so you may nee icewm...
[06:10] <jussi01> lol
[06:11] <IdleOne> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36339/ should I accept or decline?
[06:11] <kousotu> I was hoping ofr a Aero theme, doen't look like I'm gnna get it
[06:11] <jussi01> kousotu: there are some on gnomelook
[06:12] <jussi01> IdleOne: looks ok to me, but dont come chasing me if something breaks
[06:12] <jussi01> please
[06:12] <kousotu> Vista Aero
[06:12] <kousotu> not the aero theme GNOME has on the art page
[06:13] <jgm> Hi the mouse sensitivity settings (from preferences->Mouse) seem a bit confused.  Does anyone know to where the sensitivity settings are written so I can update them manually?
[06:13] <hylje> kousotu: blurry transparency!
[06:14] <kousotu> hylje: huh?
[06:14] <hylje> nevermind
[06:14] <jussi01> so you dont like this one? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Murrina+Aero?content=54573
[06:15] <jussi01> kousotu: or this one: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aero-clone?content=57352
[06:16] <DanaG> Argh, I seem to periodically have my system hang on hard drive access.
[06:16] <kousotu> http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/1337
[06:16] <DanaG> Then I see this in dmesg, repeated a few times:
[06:16] <kousotu> I usethis one atm
[06:17] <DanaG> [ 3264.836000]  ide0: reset: success        [ 3284.860000]  hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21        [ 3294.860000]  hda: DMA timeout error        [ 3294.860000]  hda: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }        [ 3294.860000]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown        [ 3294.860000]  hda: DMA disabled        [ 3295.772000]  ide0: reset: success
[06:17] <DanaG> (note: I replaced line breaks with 8 spaces)
[06:18] <kousotu> ok, that one I like, but I don't want the windows taskbar
[06:19] <IdleOne> jussi01: I ask because it seems to be wanting to remove a couple important apps like update-notifier and apport not to mention ubuntu-desktop wich is needed/recommended when upgrading
[06:20] <kousotu> it tells me it's invalid
[06:21] <IdleOne> I dont understand the point scheme. any howto that explains it?
[06:21] <jussi01> IdleOne: I have a feeling python-launchpad-bugs replaces all of those....
[06:21] <jussi01> !info python-launchpad-bugs
[06:21] <ubotu> python-launchpad-bugs: simple Python Interface to Bugs in Launchpad. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2~r41 (gutsy), package size 16 kB, installed size 124 kB
[06:21] <DanaG> Any idea what I can do about that dma hang?
[06:21] <mok0> DanaG:  Looks to me like your disk is going bad
[06:21] <IdleOne> jussi01: well I installed Gutsy to e gutsy so I'll go for it
[06:21] <mok0> (1) try doing an fsck on all partitions on that disk
[06:22] <jussi01> IdleOne: fair enough
[06:22] <DanaG> I think there are some bad blocks.
[06:22] <mok0> DanaG:  sound about right
[06:22] <DanaG> What's a nice utility to tell me the overall condition of the drive?
[06:22] <DanaG> Raw SMART data is too cryptic.
[06:23] <IdleOne> just need to remember to reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[06:23] <IdleOne> hehe
[06:23] <mok0> DanaG: fsck will check the file system, that's a start
[06:23] <DanaG> And the Windows utility Speedfan has a disk status thingy, but it says the drive is bad.
[06:23] <DanaG> er, says it's good.
[06:24] <mok0> DanaG:  ... is your linux installation on a NTFS partition?
[06:25] <kousotu> jussi01: doyou know any way to chagethe backround colorof applicaions without screwin up the theme?
[06:25] <DanaG> Nope.
[06:26] <mok0> ext2? ext3?
[06:26] <mok0> reiser4?
[06:26] <jussi01> kousotu: no
[06:26] <jussi01> kousotu: I use kde, so while i can help with compiling and stuff, gnome stuff is a little foreigb
[06:26] <jussi01> -b +n
[06:26] <mok0> DanaG: Anyway, then windows probably can't tell you if there are bad blocks or not
[06:27] <DanaG> Speedfan reads the SMART data and links you to a web page that tells you what it means.
[06:27] <kousotu> jussi01: o, well thanks for the help
[06:27] <mok0> DanaG: It could be a bad sector that's not in the tables
[06:27] <mok0> DanaG:  a _new_ bad sector in other words
[06:28] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:28] <jussi01> kousotu: :)
[06:28] <kousotu> windows can read the ext2/3 filesystems with a driver
[06:28] <mok0> DanaG:  I advise you to run fsck on all partitions.
[06:28] <DanaG> I wish fsck -c didn't take so frickin' long even with only 10 gig partition.
[06:28] <kousotu> I can read/wride on my ext3 in windows easil
[06:29] <mok0> DanaG: go for a coffee in the meantime :-)
[06:29] <kousotu> lol
[06:29] <mok0> kousotu: You think this speedfan software can read a linux partition?
[06:30] <kousotu> jussi01: I like blck ap backrounds, but I can keep to this one with the ugly white lol
[06:30] <kousotu> mok0: what speedfan software?
[06:31] <kousotu> I know what I have does
[06:31] <jussi01> kousotu: have you seen the ubuntu studio theme?
[06:31] <DanaG> Actually, SMART data is for the whole drive.
[06:31] <mok0> kousotu: DanaG was talking about it, I thought you commented on our discussion.
[06:31] <DanaG> It's the drive telling its status.
[06:31] <kousotu> jussi01: no I haven't
[06:31] <mok0> DanaG:  OK, got it
[06:33] <kousotu> jussi01: you got a link?
[06:33] <kousotu> jussi01: and aslo as far as this teme you pointed me to goes, it's not what I was lookng for
[06:33] <jussi01> kousotu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialFeisty
[06:33] <kousotu> it's the vista BASIC theme
[06:34] <mok0> Arghh my cat  is on my keyboard...
[06:34] <jussi01> kousotu: this is just a dark theme, but maybe you will like it
[06:34] <jussi01> mok0: lol
[06:35] <kousotu> if it's osx, do;t bother, I have it
[06:35] <kousotu> lol
[06:35] <DanaG> www.almico.com/speedfan.php
[06:36] <DanaG> Also, at least on desktops, it can control fan speeds, of course.
[06:36] <jussi01> kousotu: its not osx, its original ubuntu studio...
[06:36] <kousotu> ah..
[06:36] <DanaG> Wow, for once, a theme where GDM and usplash match!
[06:37] <jussi01> DanaG: ?
[06:37] <kousotu> the one you showed me?
[06:37] <sam1338> usplash is for geeks i prefer to look at whats going on behind the gui
[06:37] <kousotu> it looks ok
[06:38] <DanaG> What I mean is, compare the usplash and gdm themes of ubuntu-studio.
[06:38] <DanaG> Now compare the usplash and gdm themes of 'regular' ubuntu.
[06:39] <jussi01> DanaG: yeah, we worked hard on those
[06:39] <DanaG> You'll notice that the latter two don't match each other.
[06:39] <DanaG> Oh, by "we", do you mean you're part of it?  If so, cool.
[06:39] <kousotu> leem find what I' talking about
[06:39] <jussi01> DanaG: yes... i do a little bit of stuff...
[06:40] <jussi01> kousotu: sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-gdm-theme
[06:40] <DanaG> That's the one thing I miss from when I used SuSE: consistent, matching artwork.
[06:40] <jussi01> nice and simple
[06:40] <DanaG> Oh, and they use bootsplash -- that makes for nice decorated consoles.
[06:41] <DanaG> I wish Ubuntu would use bootsplash or fbsplash.
[06:41] <kousotu> the aero clone pics are right, but it comes up as the basic theme on my pc
[06:42] <kousotu> lata
[06:53] <mok0> kousotu: apt-get upgrade did not help the device-mapper problem...
[07:01] <blizzow> I'm unable to type on my keyboard after my latest package upgrades.  The package upgrades definitely generated a new initramfs, and I'm able to type a LUKS0pen password to start booting, but once GDM fires up, the computer doesn't seem to accept any keyboard input.  Is it possible that I need to reconfigure the keyboard after the upgrades?  If so, how would I do that for the newest kernel 2.6.22-10?  Everything works when I boot to 2.6.22-9.
[07:22] <slavik> could someone please give me the md5 or the sha1 checksum for tribe5 amd64 desktop iso image? (doesn't seem to be on the site)
[07:23] <slavik> nvm, found the file ...
[07:25] <TheInfinity> its direct on ftp, yes ;)
[07:33] <farion> hello, i made a normal apt-get upgrade today - and now it seems the xserver have a lot of problems - do someone know something about this?
[07:34] <Thunderfox933> is it safe to use gusty gibbon
[07:34] <finalbeta> Thunderfox933: no
[07:34] <finalbeta> not a very smart question.
[07:34] <matsalka> why not? :P
[07:35] <matsalka> SysInfo: Distro: DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[07:35] <finalbeta> is: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Dont use development version of Ubuntu on production systems
[07:35] <Thunderfox933> i tryed it in my opionion it is more stable than windows xp sp2
[07:36] <finalbeta> Thunderfox933: then your opinion is worthless.
[07:36] <finalbeta> it's a simple fact that it ain't true :P
[07:36] <Thunderfox933> is fiesty more stable than windows xp
[07:37] <farion> xrandr shows X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation), my mousebuttons are in wrong order and glxgears shows a segmentation fault
[07:53] <PriceChild> gksudo just popped up for me during an upgrade... wierd
[08:01] <farion> does nobody knows something about the xserver update today - i cant find the reason for these problems?
[08:08] <voidmage> are there any installer issues in the current build of gutsy?
[08:10] <AnAnt> Hello, I have a problem: on my 15.4" laptop screen when I set vga=0x314 (ie.800x600 resolution) , I cannot use the virtual console
[08:10] <AnAnt> ie. the virtual console does not appear
[08:16] <kousotu> can ubuntu emulatewindows dos?
[08:18] <Tomcat_> kousotu: Check out "dosbox"
[08:18] <kousotu> I couldn't find that, I thought I instaled it
[08:18] <kousotu> lool
[08:18] <kousotu> lol*
[08:19] <AnAnt> didn't anyone have that vga= problem on his laptop ?
[08:19] <kousotu> AnAnt: what VGA problem?
[08:20] <AnAnt> I have a problem: on my 15.4" laptop screen when I set vga=0x314 (ie.800x600 resolution) , I cannot use the virtual console, ie. when I switch to virtual console, it does not appear
[08:20] <napsy_> is there any information when xorg 7.3 will arrive in gutsy ?
[08:20] <kousotu> hm...
[08:21] <kousotu> AnAnt: what GFX card?
[08:21] <AnAnt> kousotu: I tried on 2 laptops with different cards
[08:21] <AnAnt> kousotu: and it only happens in Gutsy
[08:21] <AnAnt> kousotu: anyways, one of them is Intel
[08:21] <nosrednaekim> AnAnt: ATI?
[08:21] <AnAnt> the other is ATI
[08:21] <nosrednaekim> oh.. intel
[08:22] <mok0> Device mapper problem solved, see Bug #115616
[08:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115616
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> well, i've had problems with ATIs and that
[08:22] <kousotu> ATI has issues, I noticed
[08:22] <AnAnt> nVidia that is
[08:22] <kousotu> but y grarmother's card was ine on live
[08:22] <AnAnt> the other is nVidia
[08:22] <AnAnt> not ATI
[08:22] <kousotu> oh.
[08:22] <AnAnt> ATI =? nVidia ?
[08:22] <kousotu> lol
[08:22] <kousotu> Nvidia has majoissues with linux
[08:22] <kousotu> lol
[08:23] <AnAnt> yeah, I cannot use compiz on the nVidia
[08:23] <AnAnt> it crashes if I go to virtual console then back to X
[08:24] <kousotu> yep, nvidia has that issue
[08:24] <kousotu> ati sems to do ok though
[08:25] <matsalka> ati <3
[08:26] <kousotu> lol
[08:26] <kousotu> AnAnt: did you install the nvidia driver?
[08:26] <AnAnt> kousotu: yeah
[08:27] <kousotu> hm....
[08:27] <kousotu> odd..
[08:27] <kousotu> try updating
[08:27] <AnAnt> I'm updated
[08:38] <AnAnt> kousotu: besides that vga=0x314 option used to work since Breezy till Feisty
[08:39] <kousotu> lol
[08:39] <kousotu> well, I'm not a programer dude
[08:39] <kousotu> lol
[08:40] <ikonia> lol ?
[08:40] <ikonia> its not funny
[08:40] <ikonia> AnAnt: try vga=ask
[08:41] <AnAnt> ikonia: and ?
[08:41] <ikonia> and what ?
[08:41] <AnAnt> ikonia: what shall I do after that ?
[08:42] <ikonia> it will ask you what resolution you want from a supported list from your card
[08:45] <AnAnt> will try that
[08:50] <voidmage> does anyone know if running a GL app while compiz is running still crashes X?
[08:50] <ikonia> voidmage try it - gusty is still in development
[08:50] <voidmage> :P
[08:55] <voidmage> that answered my question
[08:55] <voidmage> :P
[08:56] <matsalka> can't get flash sound working in any way :/
[08:57] <matsalka> video is ok, but no sound
[08:57] <matsalka> ubuntuforums didn't help
[08:57] <ikonia> is this on gusty
[08:57] <ikonia> are you using gnash
[08:58] <ikonia> or adobe flash
[08:58] <ikonia> 32/64 bit
[08:58] <ikonia> what site isn't working
[08:58] <matsalka> tryied both
[08:58] <matsalka> 32 bit gutsy
[08:58] <kousotu> matsalka: is any sound working on your pc?
[08:58] <matsalka> anything else works fine
[08:59] <matsalka> system sounds, music etc
[08:59] <ikonia> what flash site is failing
[08:59] <matsalka> can't hear sounds in any site
[09:00] <matsalka> youtube atm
[09:00] <matsalka> gnash didn't work at all
[09:00] <ikonia> I'm not surprised by gnash, it recently broke for me, however are you SURE your using the adobe player
[09:00] <farion> irgendwie scheint seit heute der nvidia treiber nicht mehr mit meinem Xserver zu wollen - das Problem ist, dass die 3D-Leistung arg im Keller ist, twinview nicht mehr richtig geht und noch einige andere Probleme - mit dem nv-Treiber funktioniert alles (bis halt auf 3D)
[09:00] <matsalka> yes, i just installed adobe again
[09:00] <kousotu> matsalka: tru turning up "SURROND" to the same level as your other sond
[09:00] <ikonia> !de >farion
[09:01] <kousotu> try*
[09:01] <farion> oh sorry - wrong channel
[09:01] <matsalka> sec
[09:03] <matsalka> surround was muted, but enabling it won't change anything
[09:03] <kousotu> farion: you're having nvidia issues? (no I can't read german an completely understand it)
[09:05] <farion> kousotu - i dont know, what is really the problem
[09:06] <farion> today i have made an upgrade (just 10 packages) - and know twinview has no xinerama support, my mousebuttons are in the wrong order, and the 3D-Performance is very low
[09:06] <ikonia> farion: mixing dev/stable packages isn't good
[09:06] <farion> i did not mix something
[09:07] <farion> this system is running nearly a year
[09:07] <ikonia> this is the gusty channel
[09:08] <ikonia> are you running gusty
[09:08] <farion> xrandr
[09:08] <farion> yes
[09:08] <ikonia> farion how have you been running it for a year if its not out yet?
[09:08] <kousotu> the tribes?
[09:09] <farion> i'm running at first dappper, than feisty, and since gutsy has started i use gutsy
[09:09] <ikonia> farion and gusty is not stable - so thats the point
[09:09] <kousotu> farion?
[09:09] <ikonia> kousotu thats his name
[09:09] <nosrednaekim> farion: you skipped edgy?
[09:09] <kousotu> oh.. lol
[09:10] <ikonia> lol again.......
[09:10] <farion> yes, but i'm not a beginner - normally i can fix problems myself
[09:10] <ikonia> farion no-one said you where a beginner
[09:10] <nonix4> Umm, regarding CategoryKernel community docs, how do I figure out which of them should be discussed about on {#ubuntu-2,#ubuntu-1,#ubuntu,#ubuntu+1,elsewhere}?
[09:10] <ikonia> but its still in development
[09:10] <ikonia> so you'll have to report exact issues
[09:10] <farion> but i cant handle this issue - i dont know where to start
[09:11] <ikonia> what exactly is the issue
[09:11] <matsalka> that's it, i'm giving up with flash
[09:11] <kousotu> what is xinerama?
[09:11] <kousotu> matsalka: did you try what I said>
[09:11] <ikonia> kousotu use gogle
[09:11] <ikonia> google
[09:11] <farion> xinerama: two monitors
[09:11] <kousotu> ah..
[09:12] <farion> twinview works (the screen spans the two montitors), but normally a maxmized window is only on one screen - now it is on both screens
[09:12] <kousotu> ikonia: I'm a noob to linux, but I can still help out. packages are not something Iknow. the tools to fix issues I do however
[09:13] <farion> next, my mousebuttons are assigned wrong (with nv it is allright)
[09:13] <ikonia> kousotu: the information and advice you give is garbage, I didn't say you couldn't help out, I suggested yous top hanging out in support channels and asking generic questions, more so in a development channel and start using google to gain the basics
[09:13] <farion> and the 3D-Performance is very low
[09:13] <kousotu> farion: did you change them before you updated?
[09:13] <matsalka> kousotu, yes, but nothing
[09:13] <farion> no, nothing - today moring it works, and after the apt-get update it was broken
[09:14] <ikonia> farion define broken
[09:14] <kousotu> matsalka: did you make sure it was not muted?
[09:14] <ikonia> you've updated a development package - so things WILL change and break
[09:14] <matsalka> kousotu, imore than sure
[09:14] <matsalka> -i
[09:15] <kousotu> matsalka: ok, just checking..
[09:15] <matsalka> i even tried to unmute all of them
[09:15] <matsalka> nothing
[09:15] <farion> ikonia, twinview, the mouseroblem, 3D
[09:15] <kousotu> using ALSA, right?
[09:15] <matsalka> right
[09:15] <ikonia> farion: ok - so thats %100 different
[09:15] <ikonia> you said xinearama - not twin view
[09:15] <kousotu> hm.. I never had that issue..
[09:15] <ikonia> which are you using as they are both totally different
[09:16] <farion> twinview works (two monitors), but xinerama (the thing with the maximized windows) not
[09:16] <ikonia> farion the thing with maximized windows ? what are you talking about
[09:17] <matsalka> i'm gonne try gnash once more
[09:17] <matsalka> gonna
[09:17] <farion> if you maximize a window on a two-monitor system - its normaly maximized only on the current monitor - but now it is spanned over both
[09:18] <ikonia> farion thats not xinearama
[09:18] <ikonia> you can't use twinview and xinerama at the same time
[09:18] <matsalka> kousotu, what about libflash0c2?
[09:18] <farion> okay, than i use twinview and the described feature does not work
[09:19] <kousotu> matsalka: what about it?
[09:20] <ikonia> farion twinview is a portition of the nvidia driver, so it is either an incompatability with xorg and the driver, or an issue with the driver
[09:20] <matsalka> ever used it?
[09:21] <farion> the driver is the same as before (same kernel, same driver) - so i think the xserver update today is the reason - but i dont find anything
[09:22] <ikonia> farion the nvidia driver is a fussy thing, so its potentitally not happy with the xserve update
[09:22] <matsalka> installed gnash, but firefox says it haven't got any flash plugins installed
[09:24] <matsalka> amd if i try to reinstall, it says Package 'mozilla-plugin-gnash' is already installed
[09:24] <matsalka> and*
[09:25] <xtknight> so i come back and my keyboard's caps lock and scroll lock keys are blinking, and the screen won't come back up without resetting.  is this some sign from the Ubuntu gods?
[09:26] <xtknight> lights i should say not keys
[09:26] <SeveredCross> Anyone know any chemical drawing software for Linux?
[09:26] <SeveredCross> Something that can export to JPEG or something I can import into OO.org/Abiword.
[09:26] <xtknight> like drawing out molecular diagrams?
[09:27] <SeveredCross> Something comparable to ChemDraw on Windows.
[09:27] <xtknight> no idea
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> SeveredCross: try Kalzium
[09:27] <SeveredCross> Will do, thanks.
[09:28] <farion> is there a possibility to view the latest update - if i know the last packages, i can do a better search for the issue
[09:30] <SeveredCross> nosrednaekim: Kalzium's package description doesn't say anything about drawing.
[09:31] <nosrednaekim> hmm ok.. maybe that was a feature to be added in KDE4
[09:33] <SeveredCross> That's alright, I'll poke through in Synaptic.
[09:35] <Skiessi> do you know any the-incredible-machine-like games for linux?
[09:36] <nosrednaekim> Ah.... I wish there was one..
[09:36] <nosrednaekim> that gamewas nice
[09:39] <SeveredCross> Skiessi: Dosbox is your friend. :-D
[09:39] <xopher> How is gutsy today?
[09:39] <SeveredCross> Fine here.
[09:40] <Skiessi> no crashing today
[09:41] <xopher> Ok, should probably do a clean install (haven't done one since hoary ;))
[09:43] <nosrednaekim> Skiessi: http://www.programfiles.com/Default.asp?LinkId=12011
[10:04] <Skiessi> :O I'll try that one when I'm finished this original one. How many puzzles comes with The Incredible Machine?
[10:08] <asdf> I did the upgrade to gutsy and everything went awesome...one problem though when I was on feisty I followed this tutorial http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343670 to improve the look of my fonts and now they look like shit in Gutsy.  Does anyone know how to reverse this?
[10:10] <asdf> Does anyone know how to install awn in gutsy*?
[10:17] <farion> hello, i have some news about my xserver-problem
[10:17] <farion> the second line in my .xsession-errors is:
[10:17] <farion> Checking for nVidia: present. \nStarting Xgl with options:  -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer -fullscreen -br_XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
[10:18] <farion> what does that mean?
[10:24] <farion> i can star X with the "nvidia"-driver - but i get no direct-rendering - and i only find the error above
[10:27] <DevideZero> kubuntu 7.10 will have default kde 4 desktop ?
[10:29] <ikonia> no
[10:35] <dankh> in order to use virtualbox, I have to install virtualbox-source and compile the kernel modules ?
[10:36] <ikonia> I don't believe so
[10:37] <dankh> I set up new VM, and when I start the VM, I get a messsage : VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. The vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason. Re-setup the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root.
[10:37] <ikonia> ahh I wonder if the gusty ones have not been creates as the kernel may change
[10:38] <dankh> ok, so the package virtualbox isn't usable at all for the moment
[10:38] <ikonia> don't know
[10:38] <ikonia> I was just pondering out loud
[10:39] <DevideZero> someone know wich version of kubuntu will have kde 4 as default desktop ?
[10:39] <ikonia> DevideZero the next one
[10:40] <ikonia> after gusty I guess
[10:40] <DevideZero> ubuntu and kubuntu versions are released after 6 mounths right ?
[10:41] <ikonia> DevideZero roughly
[10:41] <ikonia> LTS 18 months
[10:41] <ikonia> or 12 months
[10:41] <ikonia> I can't rmember
[10:42] <SeveredCross> Gutsy+1 is uh something Heron.
[10:42] <SeveredCross> I think.
[10:43] <dankh> Hardy Heron 8.04
[10:44] <pwnguin> its a bit funny. people on the planet are moaning that u/k/x/edu/buntu are all confusing and should change names
[10:44] <voidmage> hmm
[10:45] <voidmage> kde won't recognize my usb drive
[10:45] <pwnguin> meanwhile, everyone else is complainign that the code names are too silly
[10:45] <dankh> 8.04 , confusing ?
[10:45] <pwnguin> dankh: from two sentences, how did you get that?
[10:45] <dankh> the official name is Ubuntu 8.04 , Hardy Heron is a development codename
[10:46] <pwnguin> unless the offficial name is 8.06 ;)
[10:46] <dankh> :) , I hope not
[10:47] <DevideZero> dankh , and when it will be released?
[10:47] <pwnguin> ...
[10:47] <dankh> 8.04 = 20[08] /04
[10:47] <pwnguin> 2008 .... 4th month
[10:48] <dankh> that's why I'm always surprised when people are confused by Ubuntu versions, they are far more significant then version 2.6.22 for exemple
[10:49] <voidmage> I can't get kde to recognize and automount my usb thumb drive
[10:50] <DevideZero> its pity that kde is not default Ubuntu desktop
[10:50] <nooseisloose> pwnguin: 1. /me likes teh Code names, and 2. you can please some of us idiots, sometimes, but you can't please all of us idiots all of the time.
[10:50] <voidmage> yeah
[10:50] <voidmage> when i plug it in nothing happens
[10:50] <voidmage> no popup "you plugged in a usb drive what now" thin
[10:51] <dankh> DevideZero: wow, don't start wars ;)
[10:51] <pwnguin> nooseisloose: i agree that the code names are neat, but as one slashdotter mentioned, it's hard to ask people to install "feisty fawn" without them laughing at you
[10:52] <DanaG> Odd, when I hold the backspace key, all those beeps freeze or crash PulseAudio.
[10:52] <pwnguin> nooseisloose: which you might argue, is why we also have the version numbers
[10:52] <DanaG> How do I disable that "feature"?
[10:52] <pwnguin> nooseisloose: in contrast, the ubuntu variants are fine it seems
[10:54] <mikl> bleh, this thing with Deskbar crashing right and left is getting old quickly
[10:54] <DevideZero> dankh , i dont try to but kde is less "adapted" in kubuntu
[10:54] <DevideZero> then gnome in ubuntu
[10:56] <pwnguin> how so?
[10:57] <nooseisloose> pwnguin: well, code names don't give a good you a good chronological sense, but I like them because I, like many others here, have lots of version numbers going on in my head, and it's very easy to confuse them, esp once I've slept.  In addition, I can ask a l-user if they're using 'Fiesty' and they have to give me a name, but if I ask a version number they might try to tell me anything,  BR-549 for example.
[10:59] <dankh> pwnguin: as another slashdoter have written , if manager is deciding which software to use from the name, then ...
[11:00] <pwnguin> then what? bug 1 doesn't count anymore?
[11:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[11:05] <pwnguin> maybe if they recognized that the decision makers in IT are predominately male, and started using code names like "indiscriminate fire" or "collateral damage"
[11:22] <DanaG> "Hardy" sounds bad alone.
[11:22] <DanaG> Dapper and Feisty and Guts sound fine alone.
[11:22] <yakov> hi
[11:23] <PriceChild> !info linux-image-generic
[11:23] <pwnguin> i think it's intended to be in contrast with the "zomg stuff breaks" names edgy, feisty and gutsy
[11:23] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.10.11 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[11:23] <yakov> i want to install gutsy kernel on a latest MacBook in order to have suspend working..
[11:23] <yakov> whic is the latest version of the kern?
[11:23] <PriceChild> yakov, ^
[11:23] <yakov> yeah....
[11:23] <PriceChild> read the message from ubotu
[11:23] <yakov> PriceChild, many thanks indeed..
[11:35] <GNAM> will compiz default in gutsy?
[11:35] <mark__> No
[11:35] <nosrednaekim> yeah it will
[11:36] <nosrednaekim> if you have the right hardware
[11:42] <farion> Hi, is there an official way to install the original-nvidia-driver (from nvidia.com) to a custom-kernel?
[12:04] <tatters> how do I access the new gui for graphic card?
[12:05] <nosrednaekim> tatters: its not in gutsy yet
[12:05] <tatters> oh right thought it had been included
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> I don't think so...
[12:06] <gnomefreak> tatters: system>admin>restricted-manager
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> I think he means displayconfig-gtk
[12:07] <tatters> yup the display for settings
[12:07] <gnomefreak> its there
[12:08] <gnomefreak> displayconfig-gtk: Installed: 0.2+20070731ubuntu1 Candidate: 0.2+20070731ubuntu1
[12:08] <gnomefreak> tatters: run displayconfig-gtk
[12:08] <gnomefreak> should start it. i cant check atm
[12:09] <gnomefreak> might beablet o use alacarte to add it to menu
[12:09] <tatters> k got it displayconfig was the reuired command
[12:10] <Amaranth> System->Administration->Screens and Graphics
[12:11] <gnomefreak> seems to require sudo from command line
[12:11] <tatters> in running Kubuntu here cannot seem to find it in menu but command works
[12:11] <gnomefreak> for mem and bios detection
[12:12] <gnomefreak> tatters: you would have to add it since its a gtk app
[12:12] <gnomefreak> unless there is a qt version
[12:13] <tatters> fresh install + updates only
[12:14] <gnomefreak> use k menu editor(name is wrong i think) and add it kubuntu doesnt add gtk apps to menu by default last i knew
[12:14] <GoodHabit> Hello. Updating kubuntu to gutsy - how?
[12:14] <GoodHabit> Or it is like ubuntu?
[12:14] <Jordan_U> When is likely going to be the first tribe that will include bullet proof X?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: not a good idea yet
[12:15] <tatters> hmm it does changes my resolution but still pops up the keep option and timer, yet the nvidia-setting works just fine
[12:15] <tatters> does not ^
[12:15] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: there is a qt version of update-manager
[12:15] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: tribe 6 or beta let me get you a link
[12:16] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U:
[12:16] <gnomefreak> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3223971#post3223971
[12:17] <GoodHabit> gnomefreak: I cannot find it "|
[12:17] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: as i said its not a good idea to upgrade yet and that includes because you cant find it
[12:18] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: if you upgrade you need to beable to fix broken things
[12:25] <GoodHabit> gnomefreak: U know, aptitude search network-manager reports only 2 packages.
[12:26] <GoodHabit> update-manager & update-manager-core
[12:26] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: your on feisty?
[12:26] <GoodHabit> gnomefreak: Yes.
[12:26] <gnomefreak> its tehre
[12:26] <gnomefreak> there
[12:31] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: you see it right infront of your face
[12:31] <GoodHabit> gnomefreak: Sorry?
[12:31] <gnomefreak> you just dont relize it. please read the topic and rethink upgrading for a while
[12:33] <GoodHabit> gnomefreak: Sorry. I am using FreeBSD and unstable of Gentoo too. My question is: How to upgrade kubuntu to gutsy in official way. (Cuz i do not know ubuntu well) i think what for debian-based distros it is just replacing feisty to gutsy @ /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:33] <GoodHabit> And i cannot understand you answer, sorry please.
[12:34] <GoodHabit> update-manager is tool for upgrading to gutsy?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> !upgrade
[12:34] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:34] <gnomefreak> read
[12:35] <GoodHabit> gnomefreak: There is only old versions.
[12:36] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: dont upgrade if you cant change it for your situation
[12:37] <GoodHabit> So manual for doing that not existing?
[12:37] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: gutsy is not stable or even close to it if you cant think alittle bit to upgrade to it you dont need to because it is broken and needs to be fixed if you cant fix it dont use it
[12:37] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: its not stable
[12:37] <gnomefreak> we update them for stable releases only
[12:37] <gnomefreak> its not open for public testing
[12:38] <GoodHabit> gnomefreak: Ok, TY very much.
[12:38] <GoodHabit> It token much time )
[12:44] <mon^rch> is firefox fixed yet?
[12:47] <tatters> fresh install kubuntu tribe 5 ,when I go to open my second drive which I use for storage I get error "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000"  hovering over drive with mouse it says unmounted but if I chose mount option I get smae error
[12:50] <gnomefreak> mon^rch: was it broken?
[12:51] <gnomefreak> mon^rch: you might get a better answer asking in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[12:51] <mon^rch> i could not get the preferences dialog to open to change settings and the delicious extension wasnt working
[12:52] <GoodHabit> Who have kubuntu gutsy?
[12:52] <GoodHabit> How-to upgrade kubuntu?
[12:53] <TheInfinity> <-- has kubuntu gutsy
[12:53] <GoodHabit> TheInfinity: How u have updated?
[12:53] <TheInfinity> console
[12:54] <Xero> CF, once it's set up correctly with XGL, is the best way to waste my unused CPU cycles ever
[12:54] <TheInfinity> and reinstalled 2 times since first alpha
[12:54] <TheInfinity> to make clear bug reports ;)
[12:54] <GoodHabit> TheInfinity: Can u give me more information? Console it is ok.
[12:54] <Xero> !rockbox
[12:54] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for audio players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio. See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[12:54] <DanaG> Argh, for some reason quodlibet sometimes stops showing any songs within directories.
[12:55] <TheInfinity> GoodHabit: just make a dist upgrade
[12:55] <Jordan_U> GoodHabit, Have you looked at the release notes?
[12:55] <TheInfinity> if you dont know how to do this -> dont install gutsy now
[12:55] <Jordan_U> TheInfinity, GoodHabit That is not supported
[12:55] <GoodHabit> Ok.
[12:55] <gnomefreak> mon^rch: remove the extension does it work than?
[12:55] <GoodHabit> I need just A WAY )
[12:55] <GoodHabit> Just tell me how is write way.
[12:55] <Jordan_U> GoodHabit, Have you read the release notes?
[12:55] <GoodHabit> update-manager -d    is it ok?
[12:56] <TheInfinity> right way is via adept manager somehow
[12:56] <GoodHabit> Jordan_U: Yes, thank you.
[12:56] <TheInfinity> never used it ;)
[12:56] <gnomefreak> no you have to run it as kdesu
[12:56] <GoodHabit> The problem is: One part tells me just edit sources.list, other by update-manager -d
[12:56] <mon^rch> gnomefreak: it works without the extension, but I cannot open the preferences dialog still and hey... I wanna use that extension!
[12:57] <GoodHabit> gnomefreak: Or at console by sudo? )
[12:57] <Jordan_U> GoodHabit, use update-manager
[12:57] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: if you insist on breaking your system use update-manager
[12:57] <TheInfinity> GoodHabit: edit sources.list is the inofficial way
[12:57] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: not sudo use kdesu
[12:57] <TheInfinity> which gives you more control
[12:57] <TheInfinity> but which has also its problems if you dont know console well
[12:57] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: if you dont know what kdesu does DO NOT UPGRADE
[12:57] <GoodHabit> Ohhh...
[12:58] <gnomefreak> if you keep asking i will think your more of a troll than anything and that is BAD
[12:58] <GoodHabit> C'mon guys.
[12:58] <GoodHabit> Stop it.
[12:58] <TheInfinity> you need console skills in every case ;)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> mon^rch: join #ubuntu-mozillateam
[12:58] <GoodHabit> So. Final decision is   kdesu update-manager -d
[12:58] <GoodHabit> am i right?
[12:59] <TheInfinity> if you know how to correct missing dependencies ...
[12:59] <GoodHabit> Ty )
[12:59] <gnomefreak> not reall
[12:59] <GoodHabit>  kdesu update-manager -dc
[12:59] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: you need to add "
[12:59] <GoodHabit> ?
[01:00] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: if you have unofficial packages remove them remove all unofficial repos as well
[01:00] <GoodHabit> Em? What "?
[01:00] <gnomefreak> dont need the c
[01:00] <gnomefreak> GoodHabit: kdesu "update-manager -d" and expect it to break
[01:00] <gnomefreak> and i mean that as ive seen it recently
[01:00] <gnomefreak> if it breaks your on your own
[01:01] <TheInfinity> gnomefreak: thats why i reinstalled 2 times ;)
[01:01] <GoodHabit> It is ok.
[01:01] <GoodHabit> I like broken systems.
[01:01] <GoodHabit> ^)
[01:01] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, That is why I think that the ubotu factoids shoudn't say "support" for Gutsy in #ubuntu+1 since it is not really support
[01:02] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, Havn't figured out a better word though :)
[01:02] <TheInfinity> its more a bug discussion channel
[01:02] <TheInfinity> yes ;)
[01:02] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: it is but we can only support so much
[01:03] <gnomefreak> people that shouldnt upgrade we cant support because he was warned from the start
[01:03] <tatters> mmy second drive is failing to mount after fresh install of kubuntu tribe 5 , I also noticed blutooth deamon keeps crashing at start up even after update yet for some reason tribe 3 fully updated its not a problem
[01:03] <tatters> I thought a fully updated tribe3 would be same state as a tribe 5
[01:04] <gnomefreak> tatters: yes
[01:04] <tatters> yes as in it should be in the same state?
[01:04] <gnomefreak> tribe 3 installed and updated all the time will leave you with tribe whatever
[01:04] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, I understand that we "support" some people in some cases, but I am guessing that the people that come in here complaining that something is broken saw it as being the same as stable release support, or even Debian testing support
[01:05] <tatters> well ~I got a pc with tribe 3 fully updated and 2 with tribe fully updated and only tribe3 does not have the blutooth problem
[01:05] <tatters> 2 with tribe 5