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ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: September 04 2007, 07:20:35 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 7 hours 39 minutes09:20
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Hobbsee@schedule sydney01:44
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zulmorning04:53
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ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: September 04 2007, 14:53:43 - Current meeting: Kernel Team04:53
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zulumm..05:01
BenCI'm trying to retrieve the rest of the team :)05:01
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zulok05:03
HobbseeBenC: offer coffee05:03
BenCmight take beer05:04
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HobbseeBenC: or beer.  beer is good too, it seems.05:05
elkbuntuadd pizza to the offer and you're likely to have a winner05:05
Hobbseemmm...pizza...05:05
HobbseeBAD ELKBUNTU!05:05
BenCWell I know rtg isn't going to be here05:06
elkbuntucaffeinated beer (surely america has this, right?) and pizza05:06
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BenCkyle left ottowa for cambridge last night05:06
BenCso just waiting on amitk05:06
BenCI, nm, he's here :)05:07
amitkSorry..i am already here05:07
elkbuntui win!05:07
amitka few minutes late05:07
BenCOk, welcome to the kernel team meeting05:07
BenCMeeting info (past and present) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting05:07
BenCWe'll start of with team status05:08
BenCpkl_: You're first up in reverse alpha order05:08
BenCpkl_: What's your current work load right now?05:10
pkl_working on some kernel flavours for Gutsy.05:10
pkl_some bug work and that's more or less been it.05:10
BenCpkl_: Do you know the status of ntfs-write-support for userspace side?05:11
pkl_No, I believe it should be in place now.05:12
pkl_but that's a guess.05:12
BenCOk, can you check up on it, just to make sure someone isn't secretly blocking on some unknown issue05:12
pkl_Yeah, I'll check with Colin,05:12
BenCok, thanks05:13
BenCwhat's your expected work for the next couple of weeks, other than the normal bugs+fixes?05:13
pkl_Um, bug fixing is probably going to be the main focus.05:14
pkl_I anticipate putting AUFS into the kernel, and testing Unionfs 2.1 (that Kyle added) with liveCDS05:14
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BenCyeah...the unionfs seems to be high prio05:14
amitkpkl_: what is AUFS used for?05:15
pkl_AUFS = Alternative Unionfs File System.05:15
pkl_It is basically a re-implemented Unionfs by a third-party, which is commonly believed not to have as many bugs or issues than Unionfs05:16
BenCis AUFS something you just want to add for people who want to use it...not for livecd this late in the cycle, right?05:16
pkl_It would probably be useful to have in the Gutsy kernel, especially as a fall back for people having problems with Unionfs.05:16
pkl_It's probably too risky for the livecd now :)05:17
BenCok...so the unionfs 2.1 is in lum now, expected to be included and used with this next upload?05:17
pkl_I think so, yes.05:17
BenCthen yeah, testing livecd with that needs to be done asap05:18
pkl_Kyle was having some problems with the apparmor patches and Unionfs.  But that should be resolved.05:18
BenCsounds like you've got plenty to work on :)05:19
pkl_hopefully...05:19
BenCamitk: so how's things been going in the mobile team?05:20
amitkmainly changes to the build system to decouple UME patches from core Gutsy05:21
BenCare all the patches for lpia/ume included now?05:21
amitkFar from it05:21
BenCwhat's left to include05:22
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amitkLet me rephrase it - All that is available is included now. But there are many things that are WIP e.g. the new upstream MMC stack to support SD/SDIO, ACPI thermal optimisations, peripheral drivers, etc.05:23
BenCAh, ok05:24
amitkLast couple of weeks, after changing the build system, I have committed the thermal optimisation patches to UME. All a GPL driver for Marvell SD8686 SDIO WLAN chip was committed to LUM05:24
BenCearlier you had mentioned getting lpia arch/flavour building using the same patches, moving it to a custom-binary target05:24
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amitkthat is a next step yes - Moving LPIA to use the same configuration for UME custom builds05:25
BenCeither we need to rename one of those flavours to match the other, or add another capability to the build system to use the ume custom-binary patches so we don't have duplicated in debian/binary-custom.d/{ume,lpia}/patchset/*05:25
amitkBenC: agreed. I would prefer dropping UME in favour of LPIA, but since we don't yet have a complete set of packages for LPIA, I will hold back until that happens05:27
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BenCamitk: ok...does ubuntu-mobile expect for ume flavour to become obsolete by gutsy release?05:29
BenCif so, perhaps it isn't too important, knowing we'll just be ditching it in the end05:29
amitkBenC: yes, with a caveat - LPIA should be equivalent to current UME05:31
BenCuserspace wise, or kernel wise?05:31
amitkpackage repository-wise05:32
BenCok, that's what I figured05:32
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BenCOk...anything new and exciting in the power side for general desktop users?05:32
BenCI imagine you haven't had much time to look at that05:33
amitknot yet. However there isn't much on the UME side this week. So I hope to go over the powertop recommendations to make sure Gutsy already support them.05:33
BenCexcellent, I've been looking forward to that05:34
amitkthat is all from my side05:35
BenCeverything's moving along it seems05:36
BenCamitk: thanks05:36
BenCNow we need to go over the canonical-qa bugs real quick...see if we can get some resolution on them05:37
Mithrandiramitk: hopefully, you'll be able to drop UME in a week or two.05:37
BenClink is on the agenda05:37
BenCMithrandir: ah, good to know, thanks05:37
amitkMithrandir: \o/05:37
BenCone less build on i386 is always a plus05:37
Mithrandirthat's pending us having working lpia images by then, but it's on my plan for next week, so.05:38
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BenCDamn, I'm not sure which of the bugs are hidden from public view...05:39
BenCbug #13080405:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130804 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[Ubuntu Tribe3]  Cannot install by LiveCD (weybridge)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13080405:39
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BenCThat one looks like a failure to detect IDE on the weybridge05:40
BenCamitk: this reminds me, I have to send you a weybridge...05:40
BenCACTION: Ben to test livecd on weybridge05:41
amitkBenC: if that would spare my laptop from compiling our kernels, it would be much appreciated :)05:41
BenCamitk: I'll get it out this week :)05:42
BenCbug #13162605:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131626 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Sleep wakes up but screen is blank" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13162605:43
BenCthat seems to be a nv bug05:46
BenCwonder if nvidia proprietary driver fixes it05:46
BenCbug #13166105:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131661 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Hibernate button on keyboard doesn't work on System76 Z62F" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13166105:47
BenCthat one doesn't really sound like a kernel bug05:47
pkernAt least fglrx suspend-to-RAM breaks with SLUB allocator activated. Which is why I am here and waiting for open discussion. ;o) Maybe that could be switched back to SLAB at least until ATI fixes that issue.05:52
BenCpkern: doubtful, slub fixes more things :)05:52
BenCATI just needs to fix their driver05:53
pkernBenC: It was the only option I switched to make it work again with 2.6.22.05:53
pkernBenC: Of course, but in the meantime we break suspend-to-RAM with fglrx for all users of Gutsy.05:53
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BenCpkern: but that's not a fault of ours05:54
BenCslub fixed way too many things to make fglrx an exception for switching05:54
BenCbut we can definitely look into05:55
pkernBenC: What did it fix? I thought it's only a speed advantage.05:55
BenCI wont say there's no chance of us switching back...just that it's very unlikely05:55
BenCpkern: turning it on exposed so many bugs that were hard to find with slab05:55
BenCslub has better error checking05:56
BenCand the speedup and reduced fragmentation is a huge advantage05:56
BenCwe should talk with some folks at AMD/ATI to see about fixing this properly, instead of disabling slub just to accomodate it05:56
pkernBenC: I guess there can't be another flavour, right? There was a thread on LKML about it some time ago and all agree that it's ATI's fault, but so far there was no response. (It's listed in their inofficial bug tracker, but then I don't know who reads it.)05:57
BenCwe don't do separate flavours just to work around a broken proprietary driver05:58
BenCsets a bad precedent :)05:58
pkernIt would be really nice to see this fixed in fglrx, of course. But I don't know if suspend-to-RAM should be broken if SLUB mainly helps finding bugs easier. (Which I agree with for a development version.)05:59
BenCACTION: Ben to get in touch with AMD/ATI to see about resolving the fglrx+slub+hibernate bug05:59
pkernBenC: Thanks (:05:59
BenCany other open items?05:59
zulyep just sponsorship for uds05:59
BenCpkern: thanks for bringing it up, I'll definitely see about getting it resolved06:00
zulsince i have an expired passport ;)06:00
BenCzul: we're in the process of looking at who will be sponsored06:00
zulok06:00
BenCkernel related sponsors have been submitted, but it's upper management that has final say06:01
zulother than that none from me06:01
pkernBenC: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121653/comments/1506:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121653 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  Suspend to Ram does not work on Z61m" [Undecided,Confirmed] 06:01
BenCpkern: thanks06:01
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BenCSpeaking of UDS, this is a good time to remind everyone that now's when you should start submitting blueprints for UDS06:02
BenCnot the day UDS starts :)06:02
BenCSo if there are any features you would like to see for gutsy+1, get to crackin06:03
BenCAnd I think that ends the meeting06:03
BenCThanks everyone, and have a good week06:04
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ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: September 04 2007, 18:01:56 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 17 hours 58 minutes08:01
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ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: September 04 2007, 22:33:43 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 13 hours 26 minutes12:33

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