[07:56] <notserpe> where can I get an samsumg q1 ultra on the cheap for development (seed units anyone?) or a mid or umpc hardware?
[09:19] <dholbach> good morning
[09:43] <dholbach> hey Mithrandir
[09:43] <dholbach> hey seb128
[09:44] <Mithrandir> hiya Daniel
[09:48] <seb128> hey dholbach
[09:50] <dholbach> how's it going guys?
[09:51] <Mithrandir> busy as always, but otherwise good.
[09:52] <seb128> same for me
[09:52] <seb128> dholbach: what about you?
[09:52] <dholbach> same here
[09:53] <dholbach> myriads of mails, stuff to do
[09:53] <Mithrandir> jetlag has mostly subsided by now, though
[12:16] <mdamt> What command to run an application so that the application has the same theme with the system?
[12:16] <mdamt> In scratchbox we usually use run-standalone.sh, what is the counterpart in UME?
[12:18] <asac> mdamt: if the app obeys gtk/gnome theming then you don't need to do anything special (afaict)
[12:18] <mdamt> If I run it directly from terminal, say mousepad, the theme is not the same.
[12:19] <mdamt> Fonts are smaller and the gtk widgets color is grey.
[12:21] <Peter_u2> mdamt, you have to do manually afaik. 
[12:22] <Peter_u2> do following: export GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/mobilebasic/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:/usr/share/themes/mobilebasic/gtk-2.0/gtkrc.maemo_af_desktop
[12:23] <mdamt> Ah... cool. Thanks, that does it.
[12:23] <Peter_u2> welcome
[12:24] <mdamt> I wonder why UME's hildon-1 also defines MAEMO_CHANGES.
[12:25] <mdamt> I have a patch for upstream at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=823
[12:32] <asac> how can i upgrade my image-creator created chroot? is it just apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:34] <asac> or do i need to start from scratch every other day to get the latest moblin.org packages?
[12:35] <asac> nevermind ... found out by trial ;)
[12:35] <Mithrandir> asac: just use apt
[12:36] <asac> Mithrandir: yeah found out ;) ... thanks
[12:37] <asac> hmmm i dist-upgrade got stuck with:
[12:37] <asac> Unpacking replacement pidgin-data ...
[12:37] <asac> Error in select() Selecting previously deselected package libhesiod0.
[12:37] <asac> known?
[12:37] <Mithrandir> is /dev/pts mounted?
[12:38] <asac> inside chroot its not shown as mounted
[12:38] <asac> i started the terminal from image-creator
[12:38] <Mithrandir> try mounting it and trying again
[12:39] <asac> but its mounted
[12:39] <asac> devpts on /srv/chroots/mid1/targets/browser-test/fs/dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[12:39] <Mithrandir> ok
[12:40] <Mithrandir> no idea then; try finding out why it hangs
[12:40] <asac> i had to hit "return" to go on ... doing dist-upgrade now and see if its still reproducible
[12:40] <asac> "return" == "enter"
[01:23] <asac> Mithrandir: anything special we need to get fixed for NetworkManager in ume?
[01:23] <Mithrandir> asac: it seems to generally work.  We need a new UI, but that's an intel deliverable.
[01:23] <asac> ok
[01:24] <Mithrandir> they might want your input on it, though
[01:24] <asac> what chipset are the devices we want to support?
[01:24] <asac> marvell is in 2008 i guess
[01:24] <asac> yes ... i am currently on a nm-fix-spree ... so better raise issues now ;)
[01:25] <Mithrandir> we'll be seeing various kinds, but I know some people are going with madwifi, some are going with wext-based marvell
[01:26] <asac> madwifi is something i still feel a bit scared about
[01:26] <Mithrandir> it seems to work fine on the q1
[01:26] <asac> i think we still use madwifi driver in wpasupplicant ... but should probably go for wext there as well.
[01:26] <asac> hmm
[01:26] <asac> madwifi-ng?
[01:26] <Mithrandir> no idea.  Whatever's the default
[01:27] <mdamt> About the theme, are you going to use the hildon's gtkrc as-is or do you have plan to modify it?
[01:28] <asac> Mithrandir: ok if you see any issues or instability, let me know (the earlier the better)
[01:28] <Mithrandir> asac: will do.
[01:28] <Mithrandir> mdamt: we'll be modifying it, I believe.  You'll probably want to talk to kwwii_ about it.
[01:29] <mdamt> I have this thingy which relies on some parts of hildon's gtkrc...
[01:31] <Mithrandir> morning agoliveira 
[01:31] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: any chance you could take a poke at getting galculator hildonised?
[01:32] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Good morning. That was weird, I was about to call you :)
[01:32] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Sure, I can take a look.
[01:32] <mdamt> Do you have some list of apps which needs to be hildonised?
[01:33] <agoliveira> mdamt: Not all of them needed to be hildonized but we do have a list of applications here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/UserApplications
[01:34] <mdamt> I see.
[01:34] <agoliveira> mdamt: and some discussions about this happens from time to time (there's one right now) on our mailing list. Feel free to poke around.
[01:34] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: thanks.
[01:35] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: No problem. Let me ask you something. I need to create a metapackage to install the applications already done. Any pointers you can give me?
[01:35] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: they should just be added to ubuntu-mobile.
[01:36] <mdamt> Are we going to have the same package name which installs for UME and normal Ubuntu?
[01:36] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Ah.. I see. I'll check it out then. Thanks.
[01:36] <Mithrandir> yes
[01:36] <Mithrandir> mdamt: ^^
[01:37] <mdamt> Cool. So the thing differs only the architecture?
[01:37] <Mithrandir> yes, lpia is "i386, but prefer hildon, and use a bit different optimisation flags for gcc"
[01:38] <mdamt> Ok. That's sweet.
[01:38] <agoliveira> mdamt: The packages on that arch (lpia) are using hildon interface and on the others, normal GTK or whatever they normally use but the sources are the same.
[01:38] <agoliveira> mdamt: Better, will be using :) We're still working on it.
[01:41] <mdamt> Btw is the GTK2_RC_FILES exported somewhere, so my app can just source it from there?
[04:08] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: For the meta-package, I just added the applications already built into mobile-lpia. Is that all?
[04:26] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: no, you need to adjust the seeds.  Changing the package directly doesn't work
[04:26] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Fine. Any pointers I can use?
[04:27] <Mithrandir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[04:27] <Mithrandir> (but you don't have commit access, so it's better if I just change it for you)
[04:34] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Sure. Thanks.
[04:35] <Mithrandir> what's the list of apps you want added?
[04:37] <agoliveira> For now: claws-mail
[04:37] <agoliveira> stardict
[04:37] <agoliveira> tasks
[04:37] <agoliveira> contacts-snapshot
[04:37] <agoliveira> cheese
[04:37] <agoliveira> ekiga
[04:37] <agoliveira> fbreader
[04:40] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I have to go lunch now but I'll check you schedule as soon as I get back.
[04:40] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: I'll just make stardict a recommends for now, and I thought we decided on not having ekiga there?
[04:41] <Mithrandir> also, why not claws there?
[05:47] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Sorry, I just got my loist of apps and forgot to remove ekiga. Claws is the, on the first line I sent. The package is called claws-mail.
[05:47] <agoliveira> /sloist/list
[05:48] <Mithrandir> ah
[05:48] <Mithrandir> claws added
[05:55] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Cool. Thanks.
[05:56] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I got galculator half way done, just need to figure out why the menus are not showing up yet but it's working nicely and it's big enough to use with the fingers.
[05:56] <agoliveira> (at least on the Q1, of course :) )
[05:57] <Mithrandir> that's good.
[06:14] <dholbach> mjg59: is bug 127273 good to go now?
[06:16] <mjg59> dholbach: SHould be ok
[06:16] <mjg59> I haven't had time to look it over properly, though
[06:16] <mjg59> Do feel free to upload it if it's not obviously insane
[06:17] <dholbach> I'd prefer to leave you time for looking at it to be honest. :-)
[07:45] <smagoun> Looks like the Poulsbo xorg driver requires EXA v2.2, but only EXA v2.1 is available in UME? As a result, EXA doesn't work on crown beach. Anyone seen this?
[07:45] <smagoun> I have xserver-xorg-video-psb 0.2.1-1ubuntu2 and xserver-xorg-core 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu2.
[07:55] <amitk> smagoun: bryce should be able to answer that for you
[07:56] <smagoun> amitk: thanks
[07:57] <amitk> bryce: smagoun: Looks like the Poulsbo xorg driver requires EXA v2.2, but only EXA v2.1 is available in UME? As a result, EXA doesn't work on crown beach. Anyone seen this?
[07:57] <amitk> (08:45:51 PM) smagoun: I have xserver-xorg-video-psb 0.2.1-1ubuntu2 and xserver-xorg-core 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu2.
[08:02] <bryce> I can doublecheck but I believe we had -psb working properly.  Perhaps this newer xserver broke something?
[08:03] <bryce> did you have it working with EXA on a previous version of xserver?
[08:03] <bryce> there is a 12ubuntu3 I'm in the process of uploading, and 12ubuntu4 and 12ubuntu5 in the wings, which have various fixes for the exa functionality
[08:05] <smagoun> bryce: I thought we had it working with exa before, but i'm not 100% sure. EXA 2.2 is new in xserver 1.4 (1.3.99.x), I assume that's not part of the plan for gutsy though.
[08:06] <bryce> how are you determining that it requires exa v2.2?
[08:07] <bryce> is it working with XAA?
[08:08] <smagoun> xorg.log has the message "driver's EXA version requirements (2.2) are incompatible with EXA version (2.1)", and then a message to the effect that EXA isn't being used
[08:09] <smagoun> (plus, performance is atrocious - choppy animation, slow scrolling, etc)
[08:11] <smagoun> I tried XAA by adding "Option AccelMode XAA" to the PSB device in my xorg.conf, but a message in the x log said that line was ignored.
[08:17] <bryce> smagoun: yeah unfortunately we decided not to do 1.4.  Also I'm not comfortable backporting exa 2.2
[08:17] <bryce> ok, 12ubuntu3 has just uploaded
[08:19] <bryce> if the current exa performance issues are just recent (as I suspect they are - this sounds like an issue others reported), then the 12ubuntu4 upload may fix them, as it includes a big mesa 7.x update and stuff that addresses performance issues some of my testers have reported
[08:20] <bryce> so please give 12ubuntu3 a test for now.  I am hoping to have 12ubuntu4 up in a couple days; let me know if the problem is still there after that
[08:20] <smagoun> bryce: thanks. The problem seems to be that EXA isn't being used at all though - so fixes won't make a difference. Or am I misinterpreting the Xorg log?
[08:21] <bryce> I'm not totally sure
[08:23] <bryce> if it's the case that -psb just will refuse to run with exa 2.1, and that these fixes don't improve it when running with xaa, then I'm not certain what we'd do in that case
[08:26] <smagoun> bryce: Thanks for the help. I'll file a bug then rebuild the driver against exa 2.1 to see what happens.
[08:27] <bryce> ok cool
[08:44] <lucasr> yo
[09:09] <CharliefJohnson> bryce: Please let me know if you have an issue with the version of EXA that is being support.  
[09:11] <bryce> CharliefJohnson: can it be made to use EXA 2.1?
[09:12] <bryce> since we won't have EXA 2.2 for Gutsy, that would solve the issue
[09:23] <CharliefJohnson> bryce:  I'll ask and get back to you.  EXA is something I'm not too familiar with.
[09:24] <bryce> ok thanks
[09:40] <smagoun> bryce: I filed bug 137346 on the Poulsbo EXA mismatch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-psb/+bug/137346