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geserblueyed: usually it should get stopped from the prerm script from the old version and started again in postinst from the new version12:37
blueyedgeser: yes, indeed. makes sense and there's a section in prerm added by dh_installinit for it.12:40
blueyedBut somehow it must fail then.. (to stop the running instance)12:41
blueyedbug 91607 really is about "dpkg --configure -a" only..12:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 91607 in postfix-policyd "postfix-policyd init script doesn't behave" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9160712:42
blueyedBut I've experienced it to fail myself - probably because it was "hanging" already.12:42
blueyedTherefor the "start must not exit 1" fix does not seem to be necessary for the CVE fix.12:43
blueyedI will wrap start-stop-daemon in an "if [[ ] ] ", so "set -e" does not cause to exit the script, ok?12:43
RAOFStevenK: No?  What new shiny can I break now?12:47
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LaserJocknixternal: pfft, what a softy. I expected death threats at least ;-)12:55
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nixternalhehe12:57
nixternalI am having issues with eclipse...food first, then debug time12:57
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RAOFOh, joy.  Our xorg-driver-fglrx package installs a Xsession.d file on amd64, and the raw fglrx installer creates a different Xsession.d file.  Sweet.01:03
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ajmitchsure, is that surprising?01:04
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RAOFajmitch: It's news to me.  The nvidia installer doesn't do that.01:06
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ajmitchbut nvidia does slightly better drivers :)01:08
blueyedAny C programmers around? Could you please check, if my observations for the dapper/edgy versions are alright? bug 13668701:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136687 in postfix-policyd "buffer overflow in w_read function (possible DoS and execution of arbitary code)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13668701:09
zulevening01:10
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ajmitchhello zul01:12
LaserJockhi ajmitch and zul01:15
ajmitchhello mr LaserJock01:15
zulhey LaserJock01:15
ajmitchLaserJock: so, stirring up vast flamewars on planet ubuntu?01:16
LaserJockalways01:16
LaserJocktrying to see how long it takes for Mark to kick me out ;-)01:16
ajmitchhehe01:18
ajmitchhe can't kick out a celebrity like you01:18
nixternalno, but he can kick me out01:19
LaserJockyeah right01:20
LaserJocknext on my agenda was "My MOTU Manifesto" but I don't know how much of me people can handle in one day ;-)01:20
ajmitchLaserJock: post it!01:21
LaserJockI also have GSoC and ClassmatePC posts to do01:21
LaserJock:(01:21
LaserJockI got behind01:21
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ajmitchsince I don't blog01:21
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zulblogging is overrated01:21
LaserJockin some ways for sure01:22
ajmitchexactly, unless it's LaserJock01:23
LaserJockit's a bit easier to get info "out there"01:23
LaserJockbah, whatever01:23
LaserJockI'm just as overrated as the next guy ;-)01:23
ajmitchnah, you're just a legend amongst mortals. or you blog more than us01:23
ajmitcheither one works01:24
ajmitchssh is so lagged, I'm typing a full sentence blind01:24
zulLaserJock, just get a big sandwich board and a bell and you will be happy01:24
zulor a monkey with a music grinder either way01:25
LaserJockzul: good idea01:29
zulim partial to the monkey01:29
LaserJockme too01:30
LaserJockalthough they can be obnoxious and smelly :/01:30
zulbut give it a cigarette and you have a happy monkey01:31
LaserJockI wonder if that works for ponies?01:31
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ajmitchunlikely01:36
blueyedgeser: I've now used --oknodo in the init-script (bug 91607)01:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 91607 in postfix-policyd "postfix-policyd init script doesn't behave" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9160701:38
LaserJockI think I  should coin a new phrase, "Those who can't, blog"01:38
ajmitchhaha01:38
ajmitchwhat about those of us that "don't"01:38
LaserJocklurk01:38
ajmitchI can do that01:38
ajmitchI've got years of experience01:39
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Tm_Thi kids02:39
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imbrandonello all03:33
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RAOFHey imbrandon03:33
ajmitchhello imbrandon, RAOF03:36
imbrandonheya ajmitch RAOF03:40
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imbrandonhey ajmitch ever networked a computer using a parallel port ?03:40
imbrandonhrm this could be interesting03:40
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imbrandonRAOF: reciently? seen a howto online ?03:41
ajmitchimbrandon: no, I prefer sanity03:41
ajmitchand PLIP isn't03:41
imbrandonheh03:41
imbrandoni'm sure ubuntu's kernel has a plip module hopefully, i havent looked03:41
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RAOFNot recently, no.  But back in the day I played doom2 & C&C over a parallel port :)03:41
nixternalCATCH!03:41
imbrandonheya nixternal03:42
nixternalwasabi homeskillet03:42
ajmitchneither is nixternal :)03:42
imbrandonlol03:42
nixternalimbrandon: are you using the laplink type cable to network via parallel?03:42
imbrandonyea03:42
nixternalusing Linux I am guessing03:42
imbrandonwell here is what i'm thinking about attempting here in a few minutes03:43
imbrandonall boxen in the house are ubuntu ( of course ) and i was gonna stick a few nic's in this old 200mhz box and make a router/dhcpserver/fileserver03:43
imbrandonand via its parrelle port network a laptop that has no cdrom or pcmcia or nic03:44
nixternalhrmm03:44
imbrandonwith a 50 foot laplink ltp cable03:44
nixternal9800 baud love!03:44
nixternalthere use to be an application similar to laplink for Linux way way way back in the day03:44
imbrandonlol would work enough for a cli term for irc and mutt , thats all i want03:44
nixternalI feel a "you might be a redneck" joke coming on with this one :)03:45
imbrandonproblem is i need to load debian via the plip connection too , only a floppy drive in the lappy ;)03:45
ajmitchif you consider IP over No. 8 wire to be broadband...03:45
nixternalhahahaha03:46
imbrandonlol ajmitch03:46
imbrandonmore of a "can i do this" kinda thing than really needing it03:46
nixternalhttp://tldp.org/HOWTO/PLIP.html03:47
nixternalhahaha, 1998 baby!03:47
ajmitchmany things are possible, the question is whether you should03:48
imbrandonheh true03:48
nixternalI don't even know if I have ever seen PLIP in action honestly...I can't remember back that far03:48
imbrandonwell i guess i should build this router first huh03:49
imbrandonthen worry about the plip03:49
nixternalimbrandon: this is the MOTU channel, I would recommend you ask support questions in #ubuntu03:49
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nixternalhardly heron!03:50
nixternallaughing too03:50
ajmitchyoung upstarts03:50
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nixternalalthough, I definitely wouldn't put it past #ubuntu for someone with an answer03:50
nixternallast year in #kubuntu I seen a question that made me do a "wth you talkin' bout willis"03:51
nixternaland someone answered it like he did it for a living03:51
jmghearty heroin03:52
jmghegemonic haemophage03:52
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nixternalhorrifically hungry!03:55
ajmitchand for UDS, horrendously hungover03:56
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LaserJockdo people drink at UDSs? ;-)03:56
ajmitchnever03:56
ajmitchI don't recall at all the first day of UBZ, when mark & the team running UBZ had been out drinking until 4AM03:57
ajmitchthat just didn't happen03:57
nixternalwhat is drinking?04:00
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ajmitchdunno04:00
tonyyarussoLaserJock: You have heard the Burger version of UDS?04:00
LaserJockno04:01
tonyyarussoUbuntu Drinking Session04:01
RAOFMan I'm glad debuild understands "-nc"04:01
ajmitchwe have no problem whatsoever with drinking in this project04:02
tonyyarussoIt's only a problem if it postpones the release.  Otherwise, carry on.  ;)04:02
LaserJockhehe, like when Tollef has had too much wine and has to release the next day?04:06
LaserJockat least he knows when he shouldn't be making a release ;-004:06
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imbrandonor kereoke where jono checks out chicks with 2 teeth04:12
ajmitchhaha04:15
RAOFOk, we seem to have a winner.  Xgl can be cleanly removed, reinstalled, and upgraded.  And I think that it'll work even if people have crazy stuff in Xsession.d04:17
ajmitchgreat04:17
ajmitchdoes it have the necessary exceptions to be uploaded?04:18
ajmitchand do you have a sponsor mad enough?04:18
RAOFIt's not a new upstream, it doesn't have new features.04:18
RAOFNo sponsor yet :)04:18
ajmitchoh, you got the last version in?04:18
RAOFYes.04:18
RAOFAnd now I'm fixing the things I couldn't test :)04:19
RAOF(Stupid fglrx drivers!)04:19
ajmitchnixternal should be mad enough by now04:19
RAOFAwesome.04:19
ajmitchheh, speaking of xgl, see -devel04:20
RAOFYup, that's me :()04:20
RAOFI think I'll add a per-user disable switch (check if $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/xserver-xgl/disabled exists) to satisfy the people who want it installed but not enabled, then do the sponsor fandango.04:22
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RAOFAwwww.04:24
ajmitchI can barely stay connected to my box at home for longer than 5 minutes via ssh today04:24
ajmitchsomething is causing it to fall apart & die04:24
nixternalwhy should I be mad enough by now?04:27
nixternaldid I miss something?04:27
ajmitchnixternal: you've been voluntold to sponsor xgl uploads ;)04:27
nixternalnever!04:27
nixternalit goes against my religion04:27
tonyyarussoFine fine, option b it is then.04:28
ajmitchRAOF: you should be a MOTU by now04:28
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tonyyarussoHe isn't?04:28
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RAOFajmitch: Application is before the MOTU council right now.04:28
nixternalI thought you got it already?04:28
tonyyarussonixternal: yeah, that won't help much, since the class is specifically on configuring Windows04:28
nixternaltonyyarusso: I can configure windows with a Kubuntu LiveCD04:28
nixternalthe cd has krdc :)04:29
tonyyarussohaha04:29
nixternalmy stupid university said the reason they didn't switch is because they need ms term server to connect to their servers...so I whipped out my kubuntu live cd, and showed them that they didn't need winders!04:30
ajmitchRAOF: I know, I've voted for you :)04:30
ajmitchRAOF: but we haven't seen crimsun or gpocentek around enough for them to vote04:31
RAOFIsn't crimsun off off and away yet?04:31
tonyyarussonixternal: then what'd they do?04:31
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ajmitchRAOF: he is, but he's also still on IRC & on the MC04:34
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ajmitchafaik, he is/will be04:35
nixternaltonyyarusso: absolutely nothing04:38
nixternalthey aren't all that bright04:38
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ajmitchRAOF: we should be able to forward your application to the TB by sunday or so, since that'd give 2 weeks to respond04:39
RAOFCool.04:40
RAOFOne less step in the process of maintaining xgl and miro :)04:40
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Tm_T:/04:54
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LaserJockdarn you emacs!04:55
LaserJockCPU at 82C and rising04:56
TheMusoouch thats hot for a G4.04:56
LaserJockit's a Celeron04:56
TheMusoah04:56
TheMusosorry, misread.04:56
TheMusoheh04:56
ajmitchonly 82C?04:57
LaserJockphew04:58
LaserJockit just made it04:58
LaserJockgot through emacs22 topping out at 86C04:58
ajmitchhottest I ever saw mine run at was 93C04:58
ajmitchat which point it would happily reboot :)04:58
LaserJockmine shutsdown at ~90C04:58
LaserJockinstalling emacs is the only thing that makes it hit that04:58
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ajmitchheh04:59
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TheMusoSounds like the cooling needs attention.05:08
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Tm_Tshame my cpu havent reached over 60 :(05:13
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StevenK% acpi -Vs05:34
StevenK     Thermal 1: ok, 4294967296.0 degrees C05:34
StevenKHrm. I don't think ACPI likes amd64/my chipset.05:34
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nixternalholy smokes, you have the sun for a processor!05:46
nixternalmy cpu never hits 6005:47
lifelessRAOF: what did you think of the python talk ?05:59
imbrandonhrm isnt there a way to use the di via ssh after boot froma  netinst cd image ( 4.0r1 ) , and does ubuntu server install image offer the same ?06:00
StevenKanna-install openssh-server or something similar06:01
jmganna-install???06:01
imbrandonanna-install ?06:02
jmgo_O06:02
jmg!info anna-install06:02
ubotuPackage anna-install does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas06:02
jmg!info anna06:02
ubotuPackage anna does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas06:02
StevenKIts a udeb06:02
imbrandonis it an option at install/boot time or do i have to do some trickery06:03
StevenKimbrandon: After you boot, get a shell and run that06:03
imbrandonahh ok06:03
imbrandonubuntu as well afayk ?06:04
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imbrandonsweet, thanks06:05
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RAOFlifeless: It was good.  Some of the stuff I already knew, but it doesn't hurt to say it again.  I didn't know how much python hates recursion, though.06:06
lifelesscool06:07
RAOFI also didn't know about rctypes.  Or the profiler :)06:07
RAOFThese things will be useful, should I wish to fix performance bugs.06:08
StevenKRAOF: The shiny, shiny crack I uploaded yesterday was virtualbox06:08
RAOFStevenK: Aaah.06:09
imbrandonohhhh vb 1.5?06:10
RAOFStevenK: What advantage does it have over, say, kvm?06:10
imbrandonspeed06:10
StevenKRAOF: It doesn't require the virtualisation CPU flags06:10
StevenKimbrandon: And no, only 1.4.0 plus some SVN fixes06:11
imbrandonahh cool, good nuff i'd say06:11
RAOFOh, dear.  Files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d should probably be treated as conffiles, right?  Even though they are essentially shell scripts.06:12
StevenKProbably06:12
RAOFRight.  I'll need to clean that up in a different way then.06:14
StevenKAh, more xgl hacking06:15
RAOFIndeed.06:16
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RAOFSo, I need to remove /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00xserver-xgl_start-server & replace it with a different 98xserver-xgl_start-server.06:29
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ajmitchlifeless: was it recorded?06:30
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imbrandon...06:46
lifelessajmitch: yes06:47
ajmitchgood, I'll have to try & get it then06:51
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RAOFYay.  I've now got what I believe to be a better Xgl solution, plus a preinst to kill the old config file.  And a killswitch.08:34
superm1RAOF, for your Xgl solution, are you forcing media playback apps outside the Xgl session?08:36
superm1or has Xv improved in Xgl?08:36
RAOFsuperm1: I thought Xv worked in Xgl.08:37
superm1RAOF, well i had issues with it way back when08:37
RAOFBetter than in regular Xorg, actually, since it'll be redirected properly.08:37
RAOFRight.  Works For Me(tm).08:37
superm1and so my solution ended up being a bunch of dpkg-divert's, that made a launcher for any app that needed Xv08:37
RAOFEeep08:37
superm1something like DISPLAY=:0 app.real08:38
superm1and then i ran a window manager on :008:38
RAOFYeah, that works.08:38
superm1and devilspie to take off decorations08:38
superm1and then backstep to allow minimizing08:38
RAOFThat seems to be a lot of effort :).08:38
superm1i had a very lengthy guide explaining it all at some point, but its been long gone since the migrations from different compiz forums and between the compiz-beryl-compizfusion switch08:39
superm1but it was actually fairly functional, and likely packageable should it still have been necessary08:39
RAOFAs far as I'm aware, wine is the main offender in the "doesn't play well with xgl"08:39
superm1well i'll have to revisit it again some time soon, my worry now adays though would be how well it works with large displays (2800x1200)08:40
superm1i'm not sure how much video ram would really be needed to handle that large of textures08:40
RAOFYeah.  I'm not sure if Xgl will work when your display size is greater than your card's maximum texture size.08:41
RAOFWhich is 2048 on anything != nvidia08:41
superm1ah. well that's not cool.08:41
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RAOFsuperm1: No, please do.08:41
RAOFAt least test whether it works or not.  It would be technically possible to work, I'm just not sure whether that's implemented or not :)08:42
RAOFWorst case: you uninstall xgl and the problems go away :)08:42
superm1indeed08:42
superm1are you pushing to a PPA as of current?08:43
RAOFNo, universe.08:43
superm1including your session setup and such?08:43
RAOFYes, but you may wish to grab my new version rather than the one that's currently in there.08:43
superm1which would be in PPA?08:44
RAOFNo, actually.08:45
RAOFWhich you'd get as a debdiff, cause it's not quite done :)08:45
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superm1RAOF, okay cool. If you need a sponsor, feel free to ping me (although it looks like your MOTU application is just around the corner)08:46
RAOFsuperm1: Ta08:46
RAOFAmaranth: Hey, is there any particular reason why compiz would use a worse filtering method under Xgl?08:47
AmaranthRAOF: The only reason it'd ever do that is --indirect-rendering08:47
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RAOFAmaranth:08:48
RAOFWhich is what I thought.08:48
RAOFBut there's no --indirect-rendering being passed to compiz.real.  And the filtering is definitely worse.08:49
AmaranthWhy? Are you seeing smudging?08:49
RAOFAmaranth: Yes, and it's much blockier08:49
\shgeser, thx for uploading08:49
AmaranthRAOF: weird08:49
AmaranthRAOF: looks crystal clear here08:50
AmaranthThat reminds me, I need to go through our keybindings08:50
RAOFAmaranth: Actually, scratch that.  It seems to be a problem in Shift.  Cube rotate is fine, but the shift filtering looks like nearest-neigbour08:50
AmaranthOther than traditional things like Ctrl-Alt-Left/Right/Up/Down we should never use any modifier other than Alt08:51
AmaranthI don't think we actually do but it'll be good to be sure :)08:51
RAOFWhy?08:51
AmaranthBecause that's what applications expect08:51
AmaranthApplication developers know Alt is closed off from them so they use everything else08:52
RAOFFair enough.08:52
AmaranthFor example, Super-Tab switches focus between the different parts of xchat-gnome08:52
jmlAmaranth: ever used emacs?08:52
RAOFIt can be a bit of a challenge making Texmacs work right.  It has a hojilion keybindings.08:52
AmaranthI never knew that until I tried pressing it for the shift switcher and forgot I disabled it08:53
RAOFjml: M-x doesn't count :)08:53
Amaranthjml: I do not care about such obscene corner cases08:53
AmaranthRAOF: The bug submitter yelled at me for closing that compiz vs compiz.real bug Won't Fix08:54
Amaranththe one about session saving08:54
AmaranthSo I guess I should find a workaround :)08:54
RAOFAmaranth: I haven't seen that bug, linky?08:54
AmaranthRAOF: I was talking to you about it the other day08:54
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Amaranthgnome-session saves compiz.real in the session, not compiz08:54
RAOFAh.08:55
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Amaranthso when you resume that session if you use something other than nvidia it breaks because the environment isn't setup08:55
Amaranthso they get no WM08:55
RAOFAh, problem.08:55
AmaranthI'm thinking of adding something to compiz.real to make it call compiz if a certain flag wasn't passed to it08:55
RAOFUrgh.08:56
RAOFI call you, you call me, I call you again :)08:56
AmaranthI know, it's horrible08:56
jmgAmaranth: bug #?08:56
AmaranthBut it's either that or stick LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT in the session by default and ignore Xgl users :)08:56
superm1Amaranth, is it shipped as compiz/compiz.real upstream, or is that an ubuntu local enhancment?08:56
Amaranthsuperm1: ubuntu08:57
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Amaranthbug 13045008:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130450 in compiz "compiz-fusion does not start on login" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13045008:57
AmaranthI was a bit melodramatic about the fix required, wanted to dissuade the guy from pushing it08:58
superm1Amaranth, so are you thinking something along the lines of adding something like a execv '/usr/bin/compiz' to the start of main in compiz.real if you dont see that flag then?08:58
Amaranthsuperm1: something like that08:58
superm1Amaranth, something about that doesn't feel clean to me, but it sounds functional08:59
AmaranthThis is yet another "drivers suck" bug08:59
RAOFIndeed.  Tell them to install xserver-xgl :P08:59
AmaranthRAOF: That's even worse08:59
RAOFThinking of which, the intel drivers implement pbuffers now, right?09:00
superm1Amaranth, don't unix apps provide $0 as the name of the calling app?  So maybe instead look at $0 and see if its /usr/bin/compiz, and if it's not, then launch into the /usr/bin/compiz process instead09:00
AmaranthFor intel and ati users installing Xgl would be enough but this bug is worse for fglrx and nvidia users, instead of no WM they get a nice white screen09:00
AmaranthRAOF: yeah09:00
RAOFAmaranth: Oh, of course, yes.09:00
superm1i thought that mplayer used something very similar to determine whether or not to start gmplayer or mplayer09:00
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RAOFI don't think that will work, because compiz.real is always called as compiz.real, it just needs to be called from the compiz wrapper script.  I don't *think* that the $0 of the script will be the $0 of the compiz.real process.09:02
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superm1RAOF, you appear to be right.  i just wrote a quick app that seems to verify09:08
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dholbachgood morning09:19
ajmitchhi dholbach09:19
superm1morning dholbach09:19
RAOFGood evening dholbach :)09:20
dholbachhey ajmitch, hey superm1, hey RAOF09:20
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norsetto*cough * *cough * morning09:36
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norsettoanyone on kubuntu/i386 here?10:49
norsettoif anyone is on kubuntu/i386, can you check bug 137222 and report if you have the same problem?10:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137222 in adept "Adept description field is wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13722210:50
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sorenCould someone please check this url for me? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~shawarma/ubuntu-dev-tools/submittodebian11:01
sorenDoes an actual web page show up or do you also just see http headers and such?11:02
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norsettosoren: connection close11:03
sorennorsetto: Alright. I'm just stuck behind a proxy, so I didn't want to bother the launchpad dudes with it if it was the proxy breaking it. Thanks for checking!11:04
norsettosoren: np11:04
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RAOFsuperm1: Still up for some review/sponsor action?11:22
\shoh yeah...some uploads are ready for upload ;)11:22
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=== ajmitch uploads & wonders how high the lag can go
ajmitch~20sec irc lag so far11:37
tonyyarussohehe11:37
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dholbachhttp://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/ works again12:15
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norsettodholbach: what is the criteria for inclusion in the list?12:24
norsettodholbach: never mind, I see what is missing now and why12:26
wug1hi, I'm wanting to package http://freshmeat.net/projects/ppgplot/ I've contacted the author but he hasn't replied.  Can I still go ahead with attempting to package it, without his 'yay or nay'?12:27
dholbachnorsetto: what's missing?12:28
dholbachwug1: sure12:28
norsettodholbach: conky (its in the u-u-s queue)12:28
dholbachnorsetto: why is it missing?12:29
norsettodholbach: I thought it was not in the u-u-s queue (I had forgotten to subscribe u-u-s) but its in there, so, I don't know12:30
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wug1dholbach: cool.  Do you know of any references I should look at, concerning python module packaging?  I see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PythonModulePackaging  is empty.12:31
dholbachwug1: you could look at similar packages12:31
RAOFCan someone review the debdiff for bug #136962 ?  It works (for me), and I believe it's correct, but it's more complicated than what I've worked with in the past.12:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136962 in xserver-xgl "Session file left after uninstall breaks X" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13696212:31
dholbachwug1: we have a reference package on the wiki somewhere12:31
dholbachRAOF: if you subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors it has better chances of getting reviewed12:32
dholbachRAOF: maybe bryce, mvo or macslow can help with that?12:33
dholbachnorsetto: I think it's because it has a debian task - I'll look into it12:33
siretartdholbach: I just applied for ubuntu-main-sponsor. I hope that's okay12:33
jussi01wug1: have a look at: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html12:33
norsettodholbach: I don't know, you are missing 7 packages, and only 2 have a debian task12:34
dholbachsiretart: looking into it12:34
dholbachsiretart: that's very much appreciated12:34
wug1jussi01: thanks :-)12:35
siretart:)12:35
jussi01wug1: for python, have a look at cdbs12:35
jussi01wug1: detailed cdbs stuff is here: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml12:36
norsettodholbach: but 5 others have duplicated tasks, so, yes, it seems you are missing bugs which have duplicated tasks12:37
dholbachnorsetto: looking into it12:41
wug1jussio01:  thanks.  So you're suggesting that I use cdbs to do the packaging? or just that I should check out the example (https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2529721)?12:42
wug1jussio01:  My aim is to get a handle of the standard packaging tools - although starting with a python module is probably not exactly std :-/12:43
jussi01wug1: I havent looked at the package, but cdbs is very simple for python packages. However, I suggest you first go and read and follow th first link i gave you - it explains a normal c package.12:44
dholbachit's pretty standard12:44
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/ReferencePackages12:44
dholbachpython-launchpad-bugs is a python module using cdbs12:45
wug1jussio01 + dholbach:  thanks, will check it out.12:48
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norsettodholbach: whatever you did 136962 now is included (was missing before)12:56
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dholbachnorsetto: um... weird12:57
dholbachmaybe you just subscribed the team to it?12:57
dholbachthe script runs every 30 min12:57
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norsettodholbach: no12:57
dholbachweird12:58
dholbachlet's watch the problem then for a longer time12:58
norsettodholbach: I see its also filtering if both u--m-s and u-u-s are subscribed. Is it on purpose?12:59
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dholbachright, only one instance of the bug is shown01:00
dholbachso not for every task in the list01:00
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dholbachnorsetto: http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/sponsors-page.py01:00
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TheMusojussi01: Heh what was that quick entry and leave in -accessibility for? :p01:11
jussi01TheMuso: I was looking at a list of channel and click the wrong one...01:11
jussi01I hate that...01:12
TheMusoheh ok.01:12
TheMusoEven if you did stick around, there is not much that happens in there.01:12
jussi01hehe01:12
jussi01maybe I should idlethere alsom01:13
jussi01too much coffee makes my hands shake...01:13
elkbuntuTheMuso, i announced in -ops that my new fan had followed me there to be a PITA, so they knew where the incident had escalated to01:13
StevenKelky!01:14
elkbuntuheya StevenK01:14
TheMusoelkbuntu: PM.01:14
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siretart\sh: around?01:16
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elmargolcan someone suggest a thin client manufacture to me?01:17
\shsiretart, yepp..somehow01:17
\shsiretart, i just saw it :)01:17
siretartokay :)01:18
\shlooks like I need to backport ejabberd ,->01:18
\shsiretart, back online01:21
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siretart\sh: feel free to use a ppa for that :)01:22
siretartthanks for fixing it! :)01:22
Lamegohum, any tip where can I get a list of the generated .deb files after running an sbuild ?01:24
Lamego*_all.deb are not include on the *.changes files01:24
Fujitsusbuild -A, Lamego.01:25
LamegoFujitsu, done it, they are built, but they are not listed on the resulting *.changes files01:26
Lamegowhich I am using to determine the result01:26
FujitsuEr... are you sure?01:26
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=== siretart cannot confirm that
Lamegoyes, I am01:27
Lamegoah, there is a Binary: field01:27
Lamegoi was using the files liste01:27
LamegoFiles01:27
Lamegobut, that is still odd, md5sum for _all files is not verified01:28
\shsiretart, well, later for backporting this.../me needs to fix some more universe FTBFS01:28
Lamegolet me try to check on the ubuntu repositories01:28
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siretartsure!01:29
norsettodholbach: why not just changing "(not '(' in bug.sourcepackage or '(Ubuntu' in bug.sourcepackage):" to "('Ubuntu' in bug.sourcepackage):"?01:30
\shwhy is bbddebian not updating the bugs he uploaded to gutsy?01:31
\shhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jmagick/+bug/13580001:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135800 in jmagick "[remove]  Please remove jmagick from archives" [Undecided,Won't fix] 01:31
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norsettodholbach: logic being: if not registered and is an Ubuntu task -> register it01:32
dholbachnorsetto: trying01:33
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dholbachnorsetto: if I run it, I don't get the conky bug01:36
Hobbsee|Remotegood evening dholbach01:36
dholbachhey Hobbsee|Remote01:36
norsettodholbach: yeah, that was not supposed to fix it, just have a better code :-)01:37
dholbachnorsetto: I think it's about using bug.infotable or something01:37
dholbachI add it to my todo list01:37
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teKnofreakhi, how can i find the one who is maintaining epm package ? it says no package in that name exist in launchpad01:38
norsettodholbach: I'm not familiar with python and this api, I really have no idea what is this "bugs.has_key(bug.bugnumber)" is looking for01:38
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dholbachnorsetto: I'll look into it01:38
dholbachnot now, but later or tomorrow01:38
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TheMuso000000000000000/c01:52
TheMusough01:52
jussi01lol01:52
TheMusodon't know what happened there01:52
ScottK\sh: I'm looking at your ipe fixes just now, fyi.01:56
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\shScottK, cool there are more ,-)02:03
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\shScottK, /me has to do some $REALWORK too :(02:03
tedpi'd request a sync request but there is a delay getting this package uploaded to debian (nobody has sponsored it yet), however it will fix a "fails to work at all" bug in ubuntu, bug #109157. package available from http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/c/ccontrol/ccontrol_0.9.1+20060806-4.dsc02:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109157 in ccontrol "ccontrol SEGVs on startup" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10915702:05
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TheMuso\sh: I thought you were a MOTU.02:05
\shTheMuso, since may not anymore :)02:05
ScottKtedp: If you make a -3ubuntu1 version distro gutsy, attach a debdiff to the bug, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors, someone should be able to look at it for upload.02:07
tedpok02:07
TheMuso\sh: Ah ok.02:08
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=== TheMuso returns to the uus queue after a long time away from it. :)
HobbseeTheMuso: yay!02:12
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tonyyarussoTheMuso is a queue processor?02:15
TheMusotonyyarusso: I am going to be now.02:15
tonyyarussoTheMuso: Cool.02:15
ScottK\sh: libipe1c2 has a duplicate conflicts.  It should be fixed too.  Do you want to do a revised debdiff or I'll just fix it.  Either way as you prefer?02:15
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TheMusotonyyarusso: I haven't done so for a while02:15
ScottKtonyyarusso: Which package?02:15
tonyyarussoScottK: kompozer02:15
ScottKtonyyarusso: Wrong queue.  TheMuso is doing uus queue.  Not NEW queue.02:16
tonyyarussoScottK: oh02:16
tedpScottK: is there any use setting the urgency field in debian/changelog?02:16
tonyyarusso...what's uus?02:16
ScottKOnly archive admins do NEW.02:16
ScottKtedp: Not for Ubuntu.02:16
ScottKtonyyarusso: ubuntu-universe-sponsors.02:17
ScottKIt's stuff non-MOTUs have asked to have reviewed and uploaded.  Bug fixes mostly.02:17
tonyyarussoah02:18
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\shScottK, I'll fix it :)02:20
deadwillmornin' all! o/02:20
ScottK\sh: OK.  Just ping me here when you've uploaded the revised debdiff.  You might also want to look at the standards version and see what else needs done.02:20
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ScottKdeadwill: Good morning.  Thanks for the e-mail letting us know who you were.02:21
TheMuso\sh: jack-rack looks good, just checking for install/removal problems, but I don't expect any. Looks like I'll be able to upload very soon.02:21
Lamegogogh_0.1.2.1-1~getdeb1: i386 not in arch list: all -- skipping02:21
deadwillhey ScottK :)02:21
Lamegoerm, wasn't sbuild -A supposed to build ALSO the arch independent files ?02:21
\shScottK, hmm...I just see Conflicts: libipe1, libipe1c202:22
\shReplaces: libipe1, libipe1c202:22
\shfor libipe1c2a02:22
azeemLamego: yes02:22
Lamegoso why I am getting that error ?02:22
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Lamegohum, because the package does not include "all" packages ?02:23
azeemLamego: I think sbuild doesn't work for *only* arch independent packages02:23
Lamegoah02:23
ScottK\sh: After depends there is another conflicts line02:23
Lamegowhich is the case, it's a python app02:23
azeemLamego: though I'm not sure - I thought it did02:23
\shScottK, grmpf...need new glases...yepp...02:24
Lamegowell, aren't all packaged upload into debian archives built with sbuild :) ?02:24
azeemLamego: not the Arch: all ones02:24
azeemwell, not necessarily02:24
azeemonly the buildds are certain to use sbuild, but they only build the arch-specific .debs02:24
azeemArch: all are built however the DD decides02:25
Lamegohum, that is odd02:25
azeem(using pbuilder or sbuild is still encouraged)02:25
azeemLamego: which version of sbuild?02:25
azeemcause I just checked back, I did some sbuild runs with -A02:25
Lamego sbuild         0.5202:25
azeemLamego: maybe try to add -s as well02:25
\shScottK, uploading a new debdiff02:25
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Lamegoazeem, i did it also, it is just failing for a ALL only package, without "ANY" sections02:26
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azeemLamego: works for me02:26
\shScottK, now :)02:26
ScottKDon't worry, the laptop is slow....02:27
azeemLamego: what does the Architecture: line in the .dsc say?02:27
LamegoArchitecture: all02:27
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Lamegohum, it is building now02:28
Lamegoi must have something wron on the script02:28
Lamegostrange, executing sbuild from a python script, using the same syntax does report that error02:30
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TheMuso\sh: jack-rack uploaded, working on kaconnect.02:31
Lamegoops, my mistake02:31
Lamegojust changed the "print" line :P02:31
\shTheMuso, thx :)02:31
TheMuso\sh: np02:32
Lamegoazeem, thanks02:33
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tedpScottK: did you mean attach an interdiff, or really a debdiff? (the only debdiff change is the version #)02:34
ScottKtedp: Debdiff from the current Ubuntu revision, not from your proposed Debian package.02:35
ScottKBasically a MOTU will download the current Ubuntu source, apply your debdiff as a patch, build, test, and upload.02:36
tedpdebdiff reports on the files in a .deb. i don't see how that could be applied.02:37
tedpunless i'm doing it wrong[ly] 02:37
ScottKtedp: Debdiff of the source packages.02:38
Hobbseedholbach: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control/+bug/134624 looks done.  go ahead and upload02:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134624 in telepathy-mission-control "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-mission-control to version 4.35" [Undecided,New] 02:39
ScottKtedp: debdiff packagename-revision.dsc packagename-revisionubuntu1.dsc > name_of_patch02:39
tedpgot it, ta02:40
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ScottKHobbsee: You might also want to look at Bug #134623 and ack that too then as I believe StevenK's concern has been resolved.  That one is also blocking the empathy upload.02:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134623 in telepathy-salut "[UVFe]  Please update telepathy-salut to version 0.1.4" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13462302:41
ScottKErr.  Wait a sec.02:41
ScottKHobbsee: Nevermind on that.02:42
HobbseeScottK: it's showing as released, so...02:42
ScottKYes.  Thus my nevermind.02:42
ScottKI missed that when I looked the first time.  Sorry about the distraction ...02:43
Hobbseeno problem02:43
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TheMuso\sh: kaconnect uploaded, ion3-mod-xinerama almost ready for upload as well.02:47
ScottK\sh: ipe failed to build.  Build log comments in the bug...02:47
\shScottK, hmm? grmpf02:50
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asisakHey Ubunteros!02:50
\shScottK, gnarf...02:50
deadwillhey asisak02:51
asisakhey xxxxx102:51
ScottK\sh: Do me a favor and test build this one before you upload it ;-)02:51
\shScottK, give me a sec to add sharutils ,;)02:51
\shScottK, I tested it already...but my source files were somehow missing...and I recreated the crap out of the diff...and forget sharutils, which I had before added :(02:52
LamegoREVU must be improved to sbuild the packages on the fist place02:53
HobbseeLamego: the code for revu and the specs for revu2 are on launchpad.  if you wish to help, siretart will be very happy to hear that.02:54
\shScottK, testbuild and uploaded a new debdiff02:54
TheMuso\sh: Problem with ion3-mod-xinerama and deps. Comments in bug.02:54
LamegoHobbsee, this would required, 1 - schroot setup on the REVU server, 2 a pretty trivial script, for which I am sure you don't need my few lines of code ;)02:54
HobbseeLamego: it's still an issue of resources, and the question is "how well does it fit with revu2, which plans a lot of that already?"02:55
Lamegowhere is the revu2 specification ?02:56
Lamegowhat is the estimated due date for the revu2 implementation ?02:56
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ScottKLamego: It's a free software project.  When people get to work and get it done....02:58
azeemlike with Ubuntu, eh ;)02:58
LamegoScottK, sure, but that doesn't mean free software can't have priorities02:59
LamegoScottK, Ubuntu has due dates, as you clearly know ;)02:59
\shgrmpf...does debian has an "find old package name" page or something?02:59
azeem\sh: the changelog, maybe03:00
ScottK\sh: I'd think the new sharutils dep is worth a mention in the changelog.  I'll add it if you don't mind.03:00
\shazeem, na...I have a dep which isn't available anymore somehow03:00
\shScottK, please do03:00
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fernandomoin all03:00
azeem\sh: and what are you trying to do?03:01
ScottKLamego: Sure, but revu2 is not resourced by Canonical, so as long as wants exceed people willing to do the work, not much happens.03:01
azeemwould've been a nice GSoC project03:01
LamegoScottK, again, volunteer work should have priorities, specially when we are talking about a big team03:01
\shto find ion3-api-3-3ds-2007031803:02
azeemis that a package name?03:02
siretartLamego: sure.03:02
FujitsuLamego: I wouldn't call it big...03:02
\shazeem, yepp..binary package03:02
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siretartLamego: feel free to contribute specs, or even better, bundles to the current bzr branch03:03
zulLamego: revu2 is not priority afaik03:03
tedp\sh: http://snapshot.debian.net/03:03
LamegoFujitsu, 4 or 5 persons which come every day into an irc channel, is a big team03:03
siretartLamego: atm, it would really help you could write some unittest03:03
ScottKLamego: How many are actually hacking on revu2 right now?03:03
Lamegosiretart, integrating sbuild into the current revu should be pretty trivial, it does require available resources on the server03:03
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Lamegosiretart, you are concerned with unittest when you don't even check the package can be built ?03:04
siretartLamego: right. why do you want to have revu building packages at all? for what distributions should it be built anyway?03:04
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siretartLamego: btw, I assume you did have a look at the bzr branch, and are aware the the revu server is running ubuntu/sparc?03:05
\shtedp, no way...there is no such package03:05
Lamegosiretart, no I am not, my comments are regarding REVU as the reviewing system, not as REVU as "the sparc server"03:05
LamegoI hope you don't define processes based on the current server you have running it at :P03:06
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\shLamego, why do you want to invent a new build service?03:06
siretartI don't define any processes03:06
\shLamego, I think building packages for testing can be done locally or with PPAs03:06
siretartI don't even think that revu should build packages at all.03:06
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\shbtw...is there any way to tell PPAs against what distro release the package should be build? is it parsing the distro field in the changelog?03:07
dholbachHobbsee: rock on, thanks03:07
Lamego\sh, I dont want to invent anything, it is already invention, my point is, packages submited to REVU should be target of an sbuild, that would save revieewing broken builds03:07
tedpok, diffs are available for feisty and gutsy packages of ccontrol in bug #10915703:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109157 in ccontrol "ccontrol SEGVs on startup" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10915703:08
tonyyarusso\sh: It may do that, but there's another way as well, involving adding things to your dput.cf03:08
Lamegodidn't check the PPAs yet03:08
Lamegoerm, invented03:08
azeemand lintian/linda info would be for the .debs as well, not just the source package03:08
tonyyarusso\sh: for instance, create a section [my-ppa-edgy] , with incoming = ~tonyyarusso/ubuntu/edgy/03:08
\shLamego, if you as a reviewer is testing the package and see it's not building...that's enough03:08
\shtonyyarusso, well I test it next week or so03:09
Lamego\sh, the point is, the package will spend a few minutes, for a package, which does not rebuild, then it will report it to the upload, and this can be a cycle with several iterations03:09
Lamegowhich is lost time, because this could be automated03:09
Lamegothe packager...03:09
\shLamego, well, I have a local buildserver ... it cost me no time to push it to the queue...but I wouldn't expect, that we should build up a new build infrastructure03:10
norsettodholbach: the problem is not in sponsors-page.py; for some reasons python-launchpad-bugs does not pick up conky (ubuntu)03:10
siretartLamego: we used to have something very similar in the past03:11
dholbachnorsetto: I think the BugInfo class contains information about which tasks a bug has03:11
dholbachnorsetto: I need to check that03:11
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siretartLamego: there was a script called 'revu-build', which was used to build packages on the revu server03:11
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siretartLamego: it used pbuilder instead of sbuild though.03:11
dholbachnorsetto: if you really want to get into it, you could ask thekorn or check the BugHelper wiki pages03:11
siretartLamego: that script was run by a local admin, after doing a quick check on the package03:11
norsettodholbach: ok, can do, its not just conky, its any bug which has a Debian task03:12
siretartLamego: that script doesn't work anymore, and we currently don't have plans to resurrect it03:12
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/python-launchpad-bugs/API_changes/BugListExample03:12
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/python-launchpad-bugs/Bug03:12
dholbachI just won't get around to it today03:12
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Lamegook, I guess that will be covered by change the reviewing to PPAs03:14
Lamegochanging03:14
siretartpartly03:14
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siretartbut I see you get the idea03:14
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dholbachbigon_: ping03:16
eMerzhhi, can someone re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring please?03:16
dholbachbigon_: regarding telepathy-mission-control: 'unstable' -> 'gutsy', also you drop a changelog entry03:16
dholbachbigon_: I'll fix that, but please fix that in your next uploads, thanks03:16
dholbachbigon_: sorry, misread the diff, nevermind03:17
thekornnorsetto: py-lp-bugs is not working on conky queries, right?03:17
norsettothekorn: not just conky, all bugs which have debian tasks I think03:18
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norsettothekorn: its just picking the Debian bug and do not pick the Ubuntu one03:19
thekornah, ok, looking ...03:19
dholbachI'm quite sure it could be a bug in the script03:20
dholbachthekorn: could it be I should use BugInfo or infotable for that?03:20
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norsettodholbachL: no, its not the script03:21
norsettothekorn: I have a snippet I can show you, and the output too, should I pastebin?03:21
thekornyes please03:22
deadwillhey siretart, dholbach03:22
dholbachhey deadwill03:22
deadwillhey norsetto03:22
norsettodeadwill: hi 5x1 :-)03:22
norsetto!pastebin03:23
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:23
asisakhey young dholbach, old norsetto03:23
dholbachhey asisak03:23
deadwilldholbach, any change to get eclipse 3.3 on gutsy for next week?03:23
deadwillops, s/change/chance/g03:23
norsettothekorn: here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36319/03:24
dholbachdeadwill: that's something you should discuss with doko, vil and the motu-uvf team03:24
asisakdeadwill: aren't you the one who works on that? :D03:24
deadwillasisak, yep.03:24
norsettoasisak: hey, you have a unique opportunity; I have 2 packages on REVU waiting for you .....03:25
asisakcool03:25
dokodeadwill: do you have packages ready for upload?03:25
deadwilldoko, not yet. until the end of week.03:25
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dokodeadwill: including all build dependencies? that would be great03:26
deadwilldoko, i hope so :D03:26
dokodeadwill: talk with vil and man-di on #ubuntu-java03:27
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thekornnorsetto: thanks, looking ..03:27
deadwilldoko, right. thx!03:28
asisaknorsetto: I guess these packages have more of MOTU-UVF than simple mortal MOTU nature03:28
norsettoasisak: yes, they've both got an UVFe03:29
asisaknorsetto: please paste the LP UVFe bug links on REVU next time03:29
norsettoasisak: will do03:29
asisaknorsetto: cool03:30
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thekornnorsetto: can you please file a bug against py-lp-bugs with your script + result as an attachment?03:34
norsettothekorn: sure03:35
asisakAre the empathy / telepathy-.* updates uploaded?03:35
asisakOr only ACKed?03:35
asisakScottK, bigon_ ^^03:35
thekornthis bug always happen if there is a remote task and the task in ubuntu is already marked as fixed03:35
thekornnorsetto: thanks03:35
norsettothekorn: thx to you03:35
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asisaknorsetto: advocating & uploading conky03:37
ScottKasisak: I haven't uploaded anything.03:38
norsettothekorn: is fix committed not fix released btw, its the same for both?03:38
asisakScottK: okay. Thanks. I might take care of it, since bigon_ is not a MOTU03:38
ScottKasisak: IIRC telepathy still needs upload.03:38
ScottKSounds good.03:38
asisakI was not sure if someone wanted to do that or you just approved that.03:38
ScottKI just approved.03:39
asisakOkay. I'll look after it after norsetto :)03:39
ScottKI leave the quality of the package to the MOTU looking at it for upload.03:39
asisakSure, I'll check it first.03:39
thekornnorsetto: I just looked at an other bugreport on the ~ubuntu-universe-sponsors list, it's the same issue03:41
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norsettothekorn: ok, what I was asking was if the problem is only with fix-commited ubuntu bugs, or also fix-released? Because I don't think the ~ubuntu-universe-sponsors list will list bugs which are marked as Ubuntu fix-released03:43
ScottK\sh: ipe uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution.03:45
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\shScottK, not for this ;)03:45
ScottKIt all worked out fine in the end ...03:46
asisakdholbach: do you intend to upload empathy as well?03:46
dholbachasisak: if you want to do it, that's fine with me03:47
asisakdholbach: the same applies :)03:47
dholbachhehe, ok, you do it then :)03:47
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asisak(based on the telepathy-.* uploads)03:47
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dholbachdon't worry, there's still enough to do :)03:47
asisakI was not worried at all :)03:48
thekornnorsetto: I did some more testing on this, my first guess was wrong, it is more a general problem of buglists in py-lp-bugs03:49
norsettothekorn: ok, I wrote bug 137278; let me know if I need to add or clarify anything03:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137278 in python-launchpad-bugs "Only remote task is picked" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13727803:50
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dholbachrock03:54
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norsettoasisak: thx!03:55
asisakthank *you*, norsetto03:55
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bddebianHeya gang03:59
asisakHey bddebian03:59
bddebianHello asisak03:59
deadwillhey bddebian03:59
bddebianHeya deadwill04:00
Mezhey bddebian04:02
bddebianHi Mez04:02
\shmoins bddebian04:03
norsettoHonourable bddebian ....04:03
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Hobbsee\sh: for konserve, why remove the kdepot patch?04:09
\shHobbsee, because it's failing to apply...04:09
Hobbseeah right04:09
\shHobbsee, the same applies for the debian admin patch04:09
Hobbseeyeah, well.  using a different version of automake...04:10
\shyepp04:10
bddebianHeya \sh, norsetto, Hobbsee04:10
Hobbseehi bddebian04:11
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ScottKGood afternoon mok0.04:14
mok0Good afternoon, ScottK :-)04:14
mok0Just about to file a bug report on my latest feisty -> gutsy dist-upgrade04:15
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ScottK\sh: If you haven't, would you please check Debian BTS for bugs on the the ipe build-dep/conflicts issues and file it if it's not there.04:22
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\shScottK, i'll go over all the gutsy-universe-ftbfs bugs I filed an file against dbts...some are already known04:24
ScottKCool.04:24
asisak\sh usually fixes some a day and bugs MOTUs to upload it :D04:24
asisakthem, even04:24
NCommanderhey all04:24
ScottKRight.  I just want to make sure Debian gets the feedback so we don't have to maintain the diff long term.04:24
bddebianHeya NCommander :)04:25
ScottKHey NCommander04:25
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\shScottK, if you have a look at bug 136973 the debian maintainer has uploaded a fixed package which can be synced04:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136973 in gdpc "[FTBFS]  gdpc" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13697304:25
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dholbachnorsetto: I followed up on your bug04:28
\shasisak, well, I'm getting better, and just subscribe u-u-s ...;)04:28
asisak\sh: I am happy if I can upload any of your fixes. Feel free to bug me if I am around...04:29
TheMusoOk, I'm outa here. Night folks.04:29
asisakNight TheMuso04:29
dholbachnightie TheMuso04:29
dholbachnorsetto, thekorn: I'll fix the script to use buginfo for now04:29
bddebianGnight TheMuso04:30
\shTheMuso, thx for the sponsors :)04:30
bddebianHo hum, what to do, what to do..04:30
ScottK\sh: Test building now.04:30
TheMuso\sh: You're welcome.04:30
\shI wonder what I did now to produce a broken configure script..without even touching it04:30
ScottK\sh: See bddebian's last comment ^^^^04:30
\shhmmm..crap openmash04:30
deadwillnight TheMuso04:31
\shScottK, well, does he know lucas' list of ftbfs? ,-)04:31
\shbddebian, go and fix some ftbfs crack ;)04:31
bddebianI haveen't looked through the list but sounds like you two have it taken care of? ;-P04:31
\shbddebian, ScottK uploads and I file bugs ,-)04:31
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mok0My experience dist-upgrading feisty -> gutsy in Bug#13729004:32
ScottKBug #13729004:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137290 in ubuntu "dist-upgrade feisty to gutsy fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13729004:32
\shScottK, you are u-u-s slave for today? ;)04:32
ScottKAt some point I will have to quit procrastinating $WORK.04:33
bddebianHmm, I had no issues upgrading a recent Feisty install to Gutsy04:33
mok0bddebian: What flavour was your system?04:33
ScottKMaybe I'll just submit a MOTU application on your behalf like Mithrandir did to Hobbsee for core-dev.04:33
Hobbseeah yes, but we could veto it04:33
bddebianmok0: x86.  Dell Latitude laptop04:34
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bddebianHeh04:34
mok0bddebian: :-) I meant (k,x)ubuntu?04:34
bddebianAhh, sorry04:34
bddebianJust normal Ubuntu04:34
mok0bddebian: I have a feeling it could be kubuntu related04:34
ScottKmok0: Yes. /var/cache/apt/archives/korganizer_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070828really20070825-0ubuntu3_i386.deb is the package what got you.04:35
Hobbseeoh, meh.  that lot is changing so much that that will be nowhere near final yet04:35
ScottKmok0: If you have no further troubles, I'd assign the bug to kdepim.04:35
mok0Could it have something to do with libc?04:35
bddebianSo just look at the FTBFS bugs on UUS?04:35
ScottKmok0: Kubuntu recently switched to a different kdepim tree and it's been an "interesting" experience so far.04:36
\shScottK, well I could do this by myself...but I'm unsure if I want it for gutsy...let's see for hardy ,->04:36
ScottK\sh: OK.04:37
mok0If that incorporates KDE4 we're in a whole different ballgame ;-)04:37
bddebianScottK: What are you looking at so I don't step on your toes?04:37
\shScottK, and I think some people don't want that anymore to see me doing work for ubuntu...that's my concern..04:37
ScottKmok0: No.  It's still KDE3.04:37
norsettoHi scottK; any news on clamav and libcurl?04:38
bddebian\sh: I highly doubt that, if you mean anyone here04:38
ScottK\sh: I dn't know of any such people.04:38
Hobbsee\sh: FWIW, having active contributors that are nice people is better than any previous offenses.04:38
ScottKnorsetto: It was a holiday weekend in the US, so no news.04:38
bddebianScottK: I'll hit lock-keys-applet, k?04:38
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ScottKK04:39
ScottKbddebian: When I'm doing something, I'm assigning the bug to myself so just check for that.  It should be fine.04:39
norsettono news, good news :-)04:39
\shfck...I'm fcked now because I don't know what happened now...crappy openmash build system04:39
\shneed to smoke first...then I hopefully see a bit more04:40
bddebianAssigning bugs to myself?  Are you kidding, then I'm responsible.. ;-P04:42
ScottKbddebian: Just unassign after you upload.04:44
bddebianGah, darnit, where is Lucas' list?04:45
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bddebianScottK, \sh: Are you guys reporting these to Debian?04:56
ScottKbddebian: \sh said he'd take care of it.04:57
bddebianOK, thx04:57
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geserHi bddebian04:58
leonelScottK:  to backport clamav from gutsty to feisty  should I go with  dpatch-edit-patch to correct the   libcurl4-gnutls-dev    to  libcurl3-gnutls-dev change in debian/control     edited that  and all builded  and installed fine04:58
bddebianHeya geser04:59
ScottKleonel: Let's get it resolved in Gutsy first about what to do with libcurl and then do a clean backport.04:59
geserbddebian: this list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucasNussbaum/FTBFS_gutsy_1 ?05:00
leonelScottK:  ok  just  warming  up ...05:01
ScottKNo problem.05:01
bddebiangeser: Yep, that's the one, thanks05:03
bddebianHoly crap that's a lot of packages :-(05:04
\shbddebian, but you can do it as well ;)05:04
bddebianWell I already fixed jmagick a while back, does that count? :-)05:05
\shbddebian, yeah, but update the bug report ;)05:05
bddebianIt should have been Fix Released already.. Hmm05:06
\shbddebian, I just stumbled upon this bug ;)05:06
bddebianWhich bug?05:07
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\shbddebian, jmagick05:07
bddebianI can't find an open bug on it anymore05:08
\shhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jmagick/+bug/135800 it's set to won't fix05:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135800 in jmagick "[remove]  Please remove jmagick from archives" [Undecided,Won't fix] 05:08
\shbddebian, I think it's better to set it to fix released or commited05:08
bddebianHmm, did I set it to wont fix?05:09
\shbddebian, 03 Sep 07 12:35   Lionel Porcheron  jmagick: status  Fix Committed  Won't Fix05:10
bddebianHah! :)05:10
\shbddebian, you set 31 Aug 07 18:59   Barry deFreese  jmagick: status  New  Fix Committed05:10
dholbachnorsetto, thekorn: I updated the script, it has a   has_open_ubuntu_task()   function now05:11
dholbachnorsetto: running the script right now (takes 2-3 minutes)05:11
norsettodholbach: cool :-)05:11
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Hobbseebddebian: hm?05:12
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dholbachnorsetto: let me know if it's still broken05:13
bddebianOh, that was for Feisty, never mind.. Sorry :-)05:13
Hobbseebddebian: what's this now?05:13
bddebianI was looking at konserve05:13
Hobbseeah yes05:13
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norsettodholbach: ok, too bad I can't test with the u-u-s queue (conky is fix released now), but there should be a similar one in u-m-s05:13
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\shbddebian, what's wrong with konserve? ,-)05:14
\shbddebian, I think my bugfix is ok ;)05:14
jwendellHi, could any MOTU review my patch for bug 131618 ?05:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131618 in pidgin-libnotify "pidgin notifications ballon wont open chat" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13161805:14
NCommanderbddebian, your here?05:15
bddebian\sh: It is, I just saw Hobbsee's patch for autoconf and thought maybe she'd already fixed it but didn't realize the build-dep was still there :)05:15
bddebianNCommander: I live here. :-)05:15
NCommanderbddebian, ah, small IRC network05:16
NCommanderThink you can help me with a REVU issue?05:16
bddebianPossibly05:16
bddebianIf it's an upload/key issue, you'll need a REVU admin05:16
leonelScottK:  not urgent   : how the lattest patches to  gutsy's  clamav  got into   I don't see any change in  debian/patches ?05:16
bddebianGah I hate building KDE apps in pbuilder :-(05:16
NCommanderbddebian, Well, I dunno05:16
bddebianNCommander: What's the issue?05:17
NCommanderI uploaded it with a signed key (which works for mentors at debian), but nothing popped up in REVU, nor can I make the account05:17
bddebianNCommander: Yes, probably needs a key sync run05:17
Hobbseebddebian: you could just look it up...05:18
NCommanderkey sync run?05:18
bddebianHobbsee: ?05:18
HobbseeNCommander: which package?05:18
NCommandernrss05:18
Hobbseebddebian: you have access to sparky, iirc05:18
bddebianI do?05:18
Hobbseeunless the server already moved05:18
bddebianNCommander: BTW, if you get it in Debian, you really don't need to put it on REVu we will sync it from Debian :)05:19
NCommanderwell, they're submitted to both05:19
Hobbseeyep, it's a key problem05:19
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NCommanderThanks05:20
NCommanderI uploaded the key two days ago05:20
NCommanderSo I thought it would have gone through on its own :-/05:20
NCommanderbrb, need to restart X1105:20
Hobbseeis there a steven harper here?05:20
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NCommanderdo I need to reupload my package?05:25
Hobbseeno05:25
Hobbseeand it's not automatically done, at the moment, because it's taking so long to do (>1hr each resync)05:25
dholbachnorsetto: right... thanks05:26
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\shso...end of company business for today...leaving for home...and do some work at home :)05:26
\shcu later05:26
superm1RAOF, i added some comments to your debdiff05:28
ScottKleonel: I'm not sure which you mean?05:32
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NCommanderugh05:34
NCommanderNet access hates me05:34
NCommanderDo I need to reupload my project05:34
bddebianNo05:34
norsettodholbach: Is it ok that the Debian tags are shown (not the Ubuntu ones)? For the rest it seems to be picking all the relevent bugs (and only those).05:35
NCommanderI can't recover it ...05:35
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bddebianNCommander: You will have to wait until the sync finishes05:35
dholbachnorsetto: right, that's something I could fix05:35
NCommanderoh05:35
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bddebianWhy is xffm-gui on the list when the binaries are in the archive and no build failures other than lpia are on LP?05:38
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bddebianOh, he re-built them all?05:39
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geserbddebian: yes, you can find the (re-)build logs at http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/28/05:44
bddebianGah05:45
geserbddebian: if you are looking at xffm-gui: this should be a case of GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED defined somewhere, remove it and it should build (if there is no other issue)05:45
bddebianHo hum05:52
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mok0I've a problem in the newly upgraded gutsy system: I get 1000's of these messages: device mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table05:56
bddebiangeser: I don't see GTK_... used anywhere in xffm-gui05:58
ScottKmok0: There is also an #ubuntu+1 channel dedicated for Gutsy support (if you weren't aware).06:00
ScottKDunno what causes that myself.06:00
mok0ScottK: Neither do I... device mapper... could be lots of things...06:01
mok0I'll try asking on that other channel...06:01
geserbddebian: than it's an other problem06:01
bddebianAh, it uses gtk_tooltips which is apparently deprecated06:01
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NCommanderHow goes the keysync?06:06
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ScottKNCommander: key sync takes over an hour to run IIRC.06:30
NCommanderAh, I see06:30
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bddebianWTF is this??:06:46
bddebiangfortran, autoconf, dpatch, python-f2py | pytho06:47
bddebiann-numpy, python-f2py | g7706:47
Skiessiwhat?06:47
bddebianWell first there is no python-f2py package06:47
bddebianSecondly it replaces python-numpy and g77?  Sounds fishy06:48
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geserbddebian: till feisty python-f2py was in the archive06:49
bddebianI know06:49
Skiessisomeone could put xmoto 0.3.3 to universe06:51
geserSkiessi: have you a UVFe for it?06:52
leonelScottK:  the changes to libcurl406:52
leonelScottK:  or those are  syncs from debian ?06:53
Skiessi!uvfe06:53
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about uvfe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:53
SkiessiNo.06:53
geserSkiessi: Upstream Version Freeze exception06:53
Skiessi:o I forgot...06:54
\shre06:57
Skiessi...so will gutsy have x.org 7.3? they release it tomorrow?07:01
ivoksno07:01
Skiessiok.07:01
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bddebianLaserJock: !!07:03
LaserJockhi bddebian07:03
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deadwillhey LaserJock07:08
HobbseeLaserJock!07:08
geserHi LaserJock07:08
zulhey LaserJock07:11
\shhmmm...how do I enable under Xorg my sun type 6 usb keyboard...to enable all this special keys like copy open etc.07:11
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NCommanderI still can't log into revu (or recover), did the keysync finish?07:34
\shgrmpf...since when is rhythmbox not supporting shoutcast playlists anymore?07:35
norsettolionel: thanks for your comment Lionel, but, what is a big mess in bug 137125?07:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137125 in claws-mail "Please merge claws-mail (2.10.0-3) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13712507:36
lionelnorsetto: well, I see two debdiff and the second one does not look correct07:36
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norsettolionel: whats the problem with it? Seemed pretty clear to me.07:37
lionelnorsetto: Am I supposed to apply first and the second one ?07:37
norsettolionel: the first one is not correct, as I say in the bug report. I simply made a mistake when I selected it with browse07:38
norsettolionel: unfortunately we cannot delete comments, would have been much better07:38
lionelOk well07:39
lionelSo let's have a look on the second one07:39
lionelchangelod say:07:39
lionel  - Fix compilation for lpia arch.07:39
lionel    - Added support for Hildon 3.07:39
lionel    - Modify Maintainer value to match Debian-Maintainer-Field Spec07:39
lioneland the only thing in the debdiff is:07:39
lionel+rm -rf $(CURDIR)/debian/claws-mail/usr/share/doc/claws-mail/manual/07:39
lionellook strange no ? :)07:39
norsettolionel: the second one, as it is written in the bug report, applies to the previous ubuntu version. Several sponsors wants it this way because they can see whats the difference due to Debian07:40
\shcan someone enlighten me what's all about this lpia project?07:40
RainCT\sh: afaik it's the architecture for ubuntu mobile07:41
norsettolionel: so, no, its not strange at all, we apply all the previous ubuntu changes (changelog states it) and the debian change07:41
\shRainCT, ah ok07:41
lionelnorsetto: Oh, ok07:41
ScottK\sh Ubuntu Mobile Edition and Low Power Intel Archictecture are the two key phrases.07:41
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norsettolionel: sorry about that, I also would prefer a patch w.r.t. debian, but several people complained about it in the past07:42
norsettolionel: I must say, in this case it makes sense to paytch w.r.t. ubuntu, look at the size of the debdiff :-)07:42
lionelnorsetto: no problem, I also prefer debdiff on last Debian version, but I can live with that :)07:42
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norsettolionel: do you still want a patch w.r.t Debian or you happy with that?07:52
lionelnorsetto: I'm happy with that, I will take care of it in few min07:53
norsettolionel: merc pour ton travaille07:53
lionelnorsetto: nice :)07:55
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lionelnorsetto: sorry, I was on phone, uploaded :)08:17
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mok0Device mapper problem solved, c.f. Bug #11561608:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11561608:22
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sistpotyhi folks08:22
bddebianHeya sistpoty08:23
geserHi sistpoty08:23
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sistpotyhi bddebian08:23
sistpotyhi geser08:23
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LaserJockok, I need some brain power08:29
bddebianCounts me out :-)08:30
zulLaserJock: sugar?08:30
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LaserJockI have a postrm, that is not exiting properly08:31
LaserJockhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36354/08:31
gnomefreakis bzr* able to be backported from gutsy to feisty or does it not fit the requirments08:31
geserLaserJock: is ucf installed?08:32
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ScottKzul: cocaine and valium so you can work really fast and not care about the results of your work.08:32
LaserJockgeser: yes, it is08:32
zulScottK: true but its not legal, i was thinking pixie stix08:33
sistpotyLaserJock: does it say anything specific where it fails?08:33
ScottKTure.08:33
ScottKTrue even08:33
LaserJocksistpoty: it looks like it's making it through the remove case at least08:33
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sistpotyLaserJock: if it doesn't say anything specific, you could append a " || echo blabla " after each command in question, to see what goes wrong08:34
sistpoty(though you could also try to run it manually from shell)08:35
geserLaserJock: can you add an echo $webserver into the remove case and check if it is set?08:35
moquistLaserJock: If I put 'echo foobar' on line 69 of http://n01se.net/paste/aWw?pretty=yes, 'foobar' prints after the webserver restarts, and then the process sits there waitpid-ing on the apt-get on line 1 of http://n01se.net/paste/Ke4?pretty=yes08:36
moquistsistpoty: ^^^^ Looks like LaserJock has been talking about this with you.08:36
sistpotyhehe08:36
LaserJockok, I put echo at the very end, right before exit 008:38
LaserJockand it echo'd08:38
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sistpotyhm... so why won't it terminate correctly?08:39
LaserJockgrrr08:39
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sistpotyNCommander: what's up?08:41
NCommandersistpoty, I uploaded a package to REVU, but its failed to show up after an hour, and I also can't recover a password08:41
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NCommanderthe package is nrss08:42
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sistpotyNCommander: got rejected... what's your LP id?08:42
NCommanderLP ID?08:43
NCommanderoh08:43
NCommanderlaunchpad08:43
sistpotysorry, launchpad id08:43
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NCommanderWait08:43
NCommanderI found the problem08:43
NCommanderLaunchpad rejected my GPG key08:43
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NCommanderHold on08:43
ScottKLaserJock: Not that it's relevant to your immdiate problem, but we don't have an apache package anymore.  Just apache2.08:43
sistpotyNCommander: k... even if it's not rejected, it still needs to get imported (iirc we don't do this in a cron job right now, as it takes ages to finish)08:44
NCommanderYeah, I know08:44
NCommanderI was here for the last key snc08:44
ScottKbddebian: Where's the rest of your UVFe for wireshark?08:45
ScottKYou gotta fill out the forms just like everyone else.08:45
sistpotyNCommander: I can do a quick import if you tell me the key id... only make sure to get it accepted by LP then, because it will otherwise get lost during the next keyring sync08:45
NCommanderI just published it to your keyserver (since LP wants it there it seems)08:46
NCommanderI did --send-keys to the keyserver, but it doesn't show up when I query08:46
NCommanderI assume there is a lag between sending it and having it pop up?08:46
sistpotynot too sure... /me is no gpg expert either :(08:47
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ScottKNCommander: The ubuntu dev process can actually be finished, so no.08:48
sistpotythat would be most unfortunate08:48
NCommanderScottK, Actually, I have a friend who, within my lifetime became a DD :-)08:48
NCommanderOnly took him two years08:48
ScottKWow.08:48
sistpoty(because our process then would be flawed, unless debian fixed the NM process *g*)08:48
NCommander(I'm trying to become a DD because I'm an active developer on Debian Hurd)08:48
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NCommander(its a pain because I need to find a DD everytime I fix a package and need a patch uploaded)08:48
NCommander(yes, I use Hurd. Its real :-P)08:48
ScottKNCommander: If you want to become an Ubuntu developer, the best thing right now is to be focused on bug fixing and merges.08:49
ScottKNo wonder you have lots of patches to get uploaded.08:49
NCommanderYeah08:49
NCommanderWell, I packaged nrss for Debian originally08:49
LaserJockmoquist: I'm not sure what's going on, since the postrm seems to be getting all the way through it seems like dpkg is the problem08:49
NCommanderAnd I just wanted to upload it to Ubuntu since I use it08:49
\shdamn...what gtk/gdk versions has debian right now? why don't they ran into the problems with G*_DISABLE_DEPRECATED ?08:49
NCommanderScottK, point to the pages where I can learn about these08:49
ScottKNCommander: If it's in Debian, the preferred thing to do is sync it from Debian.08:49
ScottKNCommander: Sure.08:50
sistpotyLaserJock: maybe you could try to remove the invoke-rc.d... just a feeling in the gut that it will do evil things08:50
NCommanderOh08:50
geser\sh: unstable has 2.10.x and experimental 2.11.x and the change was in 2.1108:50
NCommanderSo I shouldn't upload it seperately to ubuntu?08:50
ScottKNCommander: No.08:50
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LaserJockmoquist: sistpoty has a point, we didn't have a problem before you changed the www-config line to invoke-rc.de right?08:50
\shgeser, bad very bad08:51
moquistcorrect08:51
NCommanderOh08:51
NCommanderHrm, how do I export a key as ASCII?08:51
NCommanderand that answers that08:51
sistpotyLaserJock, moquist: but don't ask me why that will lead to this result, as I couldn't explain it myself. maybe some other webserver restarting package might give answers?08:52
ScottKNCommander: I don't find nrss in Debian?08:52
NCommanderScottK, It JUST got approved08:52
NCommanderIt's sitting in ftp-master NEW queue08:52
ScottKAh.08:52
ScottKMakes sense.  I didn't look there.08:52
NCommanderwell08:53
NCommandermy key, and 25 more just got added to the ubuntu keyserver08:53
NCommanderOops08:53
ScottKFor Gutsy we are past new package freeze.  It'll get imported automagically at the start of the Hardy development cycle.08:53
\shNCommander, gpg -a -export <your key id> ==> your public key in ascii format08:53
NCommanderyeah08:53
NCommanderI did it without the key port08:53
NCommanderso all the public keys in my ring are now on the ubuntu keyserver08:53
moquistsistpoty, LaserJock: but invoke-rc.d is completing. The service is restarting.08:54
ScottKNCommander:  For merging: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging and http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html08:54
sistpotymoquist, LaserJock: maybe it's not detaching from the controlling tty? (only a rough guess though)08:54
moquistsistpoty: you mean that perhaps apache2 isn't detaching from the controlling tty?08:55
NCommanderSo does the Hardy development branch exist at all yet?08:55
ScottKNCommander: http://django.ajmitch.net.nz/rcbugs/ is a good place to look for fixes to merge, sync, or cherrypick.08:55
sistpotymoquist: yes, but that's just a very vague assumption08:55
ScottKNCommander: No.  Not until after Gutsy is released.08:55
NCommanderMakes it difficult to merge packages then ...08:55
sistpoty\sh: you're not a MOTU any longer?08:55
\shsistpoty, yepp08:56
ScottKNCommander: We can still upload new Debian revisions and Ubuntu revisions for bug fixing.08:56
sistpotyNCommander: no, hardy will only open after gutsy is released08:56
sistpoty\sh: you should reapply! ;)08:56
ScottKThat's what we are supposed to be focused on at this point in the development cycle.08:56
sistpoty\sh: as you spam the changes list again ;)08:56
ScottKsistpoty: I threatened to submit an application in his name earlier today.08:56
\shsistpoty, not my fault...nobody wants to deal with it ,-)08:56
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NCommanderOh I see08:57
NCommanderI'm running gutsy, so I guess that makes life easier :-)08:57
NCommanderWhat is Lp's connection to Ubuntu, it seems launchpad is very well intergrated ...08:57
sistpoty\sh: just send a mail to -council, I'll waive it right through *g*08:57
sistpoty(as long as I'm still not relieved from council duty)08:57
ScottKNCommander: LP and Ubuntu are both sponsored by Canonical.08:58
NCommanderOh08:58
NCommanderCool08:59
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ScottKNCommander: So Ubuntu uses it for bug tracking, builds, and all sorts of stuff.08:59
ScottKNCommander: Get in line.08:59
NCommanderI'm a Savannah admin08:59
NCommanderThe SourceForge software and its varients still wreck cause the base code was ... ick?08:59
bddebianAny of you DD types know of the preferred way that a DD would want to see an upstream version update of their packages?09:00
NCommanderbddebian, uh, no steath upgrades (when they update a package without updating the version or notifying anyone)09:00
NCommanderThat was a huge pet peeve of mine when I was with fink09:00
NCommanderso does ubuntu still use buildd?09:01
bddebianNCommander: You are a DD?09:01
NCommanderDD in training :-P09:01
NCommanderI'm getting a No route to host error when I try to pull down motu-tools09:02
ScottKLP has been a little spotty today.  I'd try again.09:02
bddebianWell I could just update in Ubuntu so I really don't need it but I'd rather go through the "proper" route09:02
norsettolionel: and I was having dinner :-) thx, much appreciated!09:02
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mok0I am packaging some software where I am "upstream". Should I put myself in the Maintainer: field?09:04
ScottKmok0: Make yourself the original maintainer and use MOTU for Maintainer.09:05
mok0ScottK:  You mean like for any other package?09:05
ScottKYes09:06
ScottKThat or since we are past new package freeze, go work on getting it into Debian and make yourself maintainer.09:06
ScottKThen it will get auto sync'ed into Ubuntu when the Hardy repo opens.09:06
mok0ScottK:  Doesn't the same happen the other way around?09:07
NCommanderOk, I got my GPG key in Launchpad09:07
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ScottKmok0: No.09:07
ScottKHave a look at http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/welcome09:08
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ScottKWe are downstream of Debian in the food chain.09:08
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mok0ScottK:  Seems like Debian will be missing out on a bunch of great software, then....09:08
ScottKYes, but OTOH circular imports would have risks.09:08
ScottKWe (meaning good Ubuntu citizens) do try and push our work upstream.09:09
NCommanderWhenever I package something09:09
NCommanderI package it into Debian09:09
NCommanderAnd let it get pulled onto Ubuntu09:09
ScottKSo far all the new packages I've brought to Ubuntu I got into Debian later via mentors or someone else is working on it.09:09
NCommanderANd I do the inital packaging on Ubuntu so I know it will be synced, not merged :-)09:09
NCommanderWhen my package gets pulled into ubuntu, will it still have me as the maintainer?09:10
mok0Debian could sync everything -0ubuntu* it seems09:10
ScottKmok0: Yes, but ...  Some of the rules are different.09:10
ScottKAlso Debian is VERY careful about who they give the right to upload packages to (you can argue if this is good or bad, but they do).  If they sync'ed from Ubuntu, they'd essentially make all Ubuntu devs DDs by default.  They aren't going to do that.09:11
NCommanderScottK, Doesn't ubuntu do that with MOTU?09:12
ScottKYes, but we take stuff from Debian, so every DD can (indirectly) get stuff into Ubuntu.  We're OK with that.09:12
LaserJockthere are also packages that Debian just doesn't want09:12
ScottKOne of the big policy differences is on GFDL.  Debian considers it a non-free license, but Ubuntu doesn't.09:13
NCommanderFirefox/iceweasil is another09:13
ScottKMore specifically GFDL with invariant sections.09:13
ScottKRight.  Ubuntu can/will make Trademark deals that Debian cannot.09:13
LaserJockalso unmaintained crack from apt-get.org09:13
NCommanderCan anyone put motu-merge tools up somewhere?09:14
NCommanderI can't pull it since that server seems to be down09:14
zulLaserJock: what no getdeb.net?09:14
LaserJockwhen I first started MOTU Science I went through all the 0ubuntuX packages09:15
LaserJockand there were only a couple that Debian would want09:15
LaserJockin general, the more work that goes into Debian the better off everybody is09:16
LaserJockthat's why Debian/Ubuntu have a pretty good relationship09:16
bddebianWe do? :)09:16
LaserJocka strong Debian is beneficial for everybody09:16
NCommanderwe do?09:16
LaserJockbddebian: yes, we do09:16
bddebian:-)09:17
LaserJockmost DDs are quite helpful09:17
ScottKAgreed.09:17
ScottKThere are several that hang out here even though they don't use Ubuntu at all.09:18
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mok0ScottK: So the link you posted above tells us how to get a package into Debian?09:20
ScottKYes.09:20
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ScottKIf anything you are trying to pacakage is in Python, I know shortcuts.  Let me know.09:21
mok0ScottK: Not at the moment. I've got some stuff for later09:21
\shok..time to rest...cu tomorrow09:22
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ScottKmok0: OK.  Just let me know.09:22
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mok0ScottK: I will! Thanks!09:23
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mok0Will it help a package getting into Debian, if it's already in Ubuntu?09:24
ScottKYes and no.09:24
sistpotycrimsun, gpocentek: want to cast a vote on RAOF's application? or should I just forward it with 3 +1 (also @ ajmitch)?09:25
LaserJockmok0: generally the packaging should be pretty ok, so it can be easier09:25
LaserJockit took me just 2 days to get my first package uploaded to Debian09:26
ScottKThe fact that it's gotten through Ubuntu review means it's better odds you'll have a technically correct package, but the fact that Ubuntu accepted it doesn't help per se.09:26
LaserJockand it was already in Ubuntu09:26
mok0Well for now I am thrilled at getting my first packages into Ubuntu :-)09:28
bddebianOh shite, I forgot the stupid diffs on that UVFe for wireshark09:28
mok0... but there's a long wait in the "new" queue...09:28
ScottKmok0: The Debian NEW queue varies quite a bit.  I've seen a months worth of stuff get processes and the queue emptied in a day.09:29
ScottKThe last NEW Package I uploaded to Debian was in NEW for only 2 days as a result.09:30
sistpotyand iirc mplayer was in new for > 1 year *g*09:30
bddebianheh09:30
ScottKAlso with mentors how long a package is there varies a lot.  If you use their IRC channel and mailing list to solicit reviews, it doesn't usually take long.09:30
ScottKYes.  As will all this stuff, YMMV.09:31
bddebianScottK: Has that channel been moved from freenode too?09:31
mok0The mentors.debian.net is more-or-less the same as REVU, then?09:31
sistpotymok0: yes09:31
ScottKYes.  It's on freednode09:31
bddebianMore or less, yes09:31
ScottKErr09:32
ScottKNot on freenode.09:32
ScottKIt's on OFTC09:32
bddebianOh, it didn't move with #debian-d.. Hah :)09:32
bddebianOK, I don't understand how vertex could have built before...09:35
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sistpotyhm... badblocks runs an eternity and only tells me bad things... I guess I'll invent goodblocks sometime, which will also run an eternity but tell me lots of good things *g*09:36
bddebianheh09:37
geser:)09:37
Nafallolol09:39
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ScottKmok0: The python-launchpad-bugs problem you reported is fixed now (at least on the mirror I use).09:49
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tonyyCan anyone help me troubleshoot https://launchpad.net/~tonyyarusso/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=failed ?09:51
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tonyyIt appears to not be getting the build-deps09:52
sistpotytonyy: what does your control file look like?09:53
tonyyActually, I take that back.  The successful ones were the same way.09:53
sistpoty("dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/kompozer-dev/DEBIAN/control' near line 6 package `kompozer-dev':")09:54
ajmitchsistpoty: I voted on RAOF's application, I'm happy for you to forward it09:54
sistpotyajmitch: ok, just wanted to hear that you're ok with forwarding ;)09:54
sistpoty*forward*09:54
ajmitchthanks :)09:55
geserinteresting, ldd segfaults on amd6409:55
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tonyysistpoty, Okay, any idea why the same source package would have succeeded for edgy and feisty?09:56
sistpotytonyy: not really, given only a glimpse look09:57
tonyysistpoty, ok, hrm09:57
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sistpotyuhoh... kmail is very unstable and buggy since the last update :(09:58
bddebianHeya ajmitch10:00
ajmitchgood day10:01
sistpotyhrmpf... and kmail hangs when pasting stuff... grml...10:01
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ajmitchhah10:02
blueyedHi10:02
blueyedThe sparc build of missingpy failed.. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/missingpy/0.9.0ubuntu1/+build/383142 - it looks like a build server problem.. is it?10:02
blueyed"[test-ghc6]  Bus error"10:02
sistpotyblueyed: hm... saw this once, and it looks like a pretty ugly bug in ghc6 to me10:05
blueyedsistpoty: what does "Bus error" mean? It does not seem to come from the package itself at least, e.g. from "testsrc".10:06
sistpotyblueyed: it's generated from the resulting binary. iirc it means that the data (or was it code) is not correctly aligned, though I'm not 100% sure10:08
sistpotyblueyed: might be similar to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=43556110:08
ubotuDebian bug 435561 in ghc6 "ghc6: Generated bins die with bus error on mips" [Serious,Open] 10:08
sistpotyonly thing I'm wondering is, how this could happen, since iirc ghc6 used to generated c-code for sparc and have gcc translate it. though attributes might be the troublemaker there *wild wild guessing*10:10
blueyedsistpoty: I have no idea at all.. my guess would have been that it's a temporary problem.. :D10:12
blueyedShould I file a bug about it? At least I've provided the debdiff..10:12
sistpotyblueyed: yes, please10:12
blueyedok, bug 13735410:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137354 in missingpy "sparc build fails with "[test-ghc6]  Bus error"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13735410:17
sistpotythanks blueyed10:18
blueyedpleasure :)10:19
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jdongis there a proper name for the gdm options menu?10:30
jdong(other than "the gdm options menu thingie")10:31
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sistpotyphew... I *typed* every link for RAOF's application mail by hand, that was really tough work *g*10:41
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superm1_sistpoty, why not copy and paste?10:43
sistpotysuperm1_: because then kmail hangs indefinitely (since the newest upgrade :()10:43
superm1_ouch.10:43
superm1_that'd be a good reason10:43
blueyedsistpoty: I'm trying thunderbird therefor currently..10:44
superm1_t-bird was doing that on a new upgrade for me too whenever i had google calendar provider installed10:44
blueyedIMAP rules.10:44
ajmitchsistpoty: every link? is kmail that broken? :)10:45
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sistpotyajmitch: yes, and I once looked at the codebase and know why *g*10:45
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ajmitchheh10:46
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 136882 in kdepim "[gutsy]  kmail crashes when checking for local mail" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13688210:46
=== ajmitch used to use kmail, a long time ago
ajmitchand it ate mail10:46
ajmitchI also used to use the netscape mail client, before mozilla :)10:46
ajmitch& then evolution, which was slow, buggy & crashed a lot10:47
sistpotyhehe. I switched from netscape to kmail, and it was better back then *g*10:47
ajmitchyeah, I went to kmail, with evolution in between10:47
sistpotymy switch was about 4 years ago, and from then on I was simply too lazy to move again *g*10:48
ajmitchyes, I switched to mutt about 4 years ago10:48
sistpotyif only I had known better back then ;)10:48
ajmitchI never used mutt with imap though10:49
sistpotyI don't have the space for imap on my old student account (iirc limited to 50Mb)10:49
sistpotyand I've got almost a month left, before this account expires and I guess I should make sure to be able to receive mails from then on *g*10:50
deadwillbye all10:51
deadwillo/10:51
sistpotycya deadwill10:51
blueyedryanakca: do you have a debdiff ready for bug 132587?10:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132587 in bzflag "bzflag includes source makefiles and empty directories, no fonts included" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13258710:53
blueyedI've tested your fixes from the debian bug, but don't necessarily want to "hijack" your assigned bug.. :)10:53
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MegaqwertyHi, I'm getting "hostname: Unknown host" when attempting to run "sudo pbuilder update" any ideas on how to fix this?10:57
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ryanakcablueyed: it's building11:01
blueyednice :) thanks.11:01
ryanakcablueyed: But, I think it will work... once it's done building, I'll install and see if it fixes the bug11:01
blueyedyes, it does. I've just build it with pbuilder and started it.11:02
blueyedbtw: what does "-cp" do in debian/rules? (in contrast to just "cp")?11:02
ryanakcablueyed: oh, that... I thought you were talking about my kdebase assigned bug11:02
ryanakcablueyed: That I'm waiting for Tim Riker to upload to Debian so that I can merge into Ubuntu11:03
Megaqwertyanyone? ^^11:04
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blueyedthanks.11:04
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blueyedMegaqwerty: maybe an invalid host in sources.list (of the pbuilder env)? Or missing connection/nameserver settings there?11:05
Megaqwertyblueyed: hmm....I'm also getting the same thing from hostname -f ...I'll look into my .pbuilderrc though.11:06
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Megaqwertynope, pbuilderrc is fine, I've even tried deleting my base.tgz and recreating it with "sudo pbuilder create" pbuilder create works, but updating it afterwords fails.11:09
blueyed"hostname -f" says "Unknown host"?? That's odd. Is your /etc/hosts file reasonable?11:10
blueyedTry "strace hostname -f" to see, where it's failing.11:10
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Megaqwertyblueyed: http://megaqwerty.pastebin.ca/681503 that's my /etc/hosts11:11
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blueyedMegaqwerty: try removing/commenting out anything except the first line. I think the root cause is "hostname -f" failing, which _may_ be related to the "hosts" file. What does strace give you?11:13
Megaqwertyblueyed: here is the strace output: http://megaqwerty.pastebin.ca/68150711:13
Megaqwertyblueyed: after commenting out everything but the first line I still get "hostname: Unknown Host" should I have restartd a service?11:15
Megaqwerty*restarted11:15
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blueyedNo, don't think so. But I might be wrong, of course.11:16
blueyedIs 208.67.222.222 your DNS? (=> /etc/resolv.conf)11:16
Megaqwertyyeah11:16
MegaqwertyUsing opendns11:16
blueyedFrom the strace it appears that it gets asked about megaqwerty-laptop.1315111:17
Megaqwertyhmm...interesting...11:17
MegaqwertyI'll run it again, this time with the other lines commented, and I'll pastebin a diff. sound good?11:17
blueyedok.11:18
blueyed"strace hostname -f" you mean?11:18
Megaqwertyyeah11:18
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Megaqwertyblueyed: http://megaqwerty.pastebin.ca/68151511:21
blueyedMegaqwerty: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31357611:22
Megaqwertyblueyed: okay, thanks. (Btw, just realized pastebin has diff highlighting: http://megaqwerty.pastebin.ca/681516)11:22
blueyedIt still seems to query megaqwerty-laptop .. ?! (in the diff, line 154/155).11:23
blueyedanyway, the problem might by a missing fqdn in /etc/hosts11:23
Megaqwertysorry...I don't know what a fqdn is.11:24
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blueyedfully qualified domain name - that's what "-f" stands for :)11:24
blueyede.g. localhost.localdomain11:24
blueyedinstead of just localhost11:24
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blueyedSee http://megaqwerty.pastebin.ca/68152011:25
Megaqwertyblueyed: seeing as this is home cable connection...what would localdomain be?11:26
blueyedput it there literally :)11:26
MegaqwertyOH! Sweet.11:27
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MegaqwertyI'll just reboot (seeing as I'm still getting the error) and return to tell you of the results.11:28
Megaqwertysomething must have to be restarted11:28
blueyedit won't help probably..11:28
Megaqwertywell, it was still querying megaqwerty-laptop after it was commented out11:28
Megaqwertyso I figure something has to be restarted. *shrugs* can't hurt. brb11:29
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sistpotygn8 everyone11:35
blueyednight, sistpoty.11:35
leonelwhere can I find this http://revu.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-feisty  or is there a new way for building ?11:38
blueyedleonel: pbuilder is fine. You can install the package directly.11:40
blueyedSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto11:41
norsettoScottK: still around?11:44
ScottKFor about 30 seconds11:44
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norsettoScottK: quick then :-) is there a chance to get something new in now?11:45
ScottKVERY VERY small and it must be VERY important.11:45
norsettoScottK: important ... dunno, its an utility to set your wireless i/f for rt2x00 users, the old one doesn't work with the new kernel modules11:46
ScottKIf you have a package ready, I'd say ask for an exception and we'll see.11:47
norsettoScottK: actually, the old one (which we have in the repos) is deprecated11:47
norsettoScottK: package is ready, spent the afternoon making it11:47
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norsettoScottK: had to make 3 patches to make the upstream config/makefile work ...11:48
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norsettoScottK: well, thx, I'll ask for an exception. Do I need to add anything beside build log/install log, etc.?11:49
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Megaqwertyblueyed: yep, you were right11:49
Megaqwertydid nothing11:49
blueyedhmm.. what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf?11:50
Megaqwertyblueyed: same as before11:51
blueyedyou have not pasted it.. :) is there just the nameserver entry for OpenDNS?11:51
Megaqwertyblueyed: oh, whoops. You referenced the DNS before.11:52
Megaqwertyblueyed: no, I'll paste it11:52
Megaqwertyhttp://megaqwerty.pastebin.ca/68154611:53
Megaqwertyblueyed: the last one is the cox server11:53
Megaqwerty*DNS server11:53
blueyedHere is the strace of "hostname -f" on my machine btw: http://megaqwerty.pastebin.ca/681547 - maybe you can spot a difference.11:54
blueyedmaybe "search" causes problems here?11:55
blueyedI'm sorry, I have no more clues..11:55
blueyedah.. wait..11:55
blueyedAdd an entry for megaqwerty-laptop to your /etc/hosts file.11:56
blueyed(this is the hostname as given in /etc/hostname)11:56
blueyedAnd this has to be resolved locally.11:56
Megaqwertynameserver megaqwerty-laptop ?11:57
blueyedno.. in /etc/hosts, not resolv.conf. E.g. http://megaqwerty.pastebin.ca/68154811:57
blueyed(I'm not sure what 127.0.1.1 is really for - must be something "new")11:57
Megaqwertyblueyed: 127.0.0.1 is the local loopback11:59
Megaqwertysame as "localhost"11:59
blueyedyes, but you have also 127.0.1.1..11:59
blueyedQuite the same AFAIK, but I'm not sure.11:59
Megaqwertyblueyed: and huzzah! hostname -f is now megaqwerty-laptop.1315111:59
blueyedfine.. :)11:59
blueyed(whatever 13151 means :D)12:00
MegaqwertyI'll try out updating pbuilder now. SAMBA domain12:00
MegaqwertyOh, and 127.0.1.1 is the same as 0.112:00
Megaqwertyblueyed: you are a lifesaver! It lives!12:01
Megaqwertythank you so much!12:02
blueyedYou're welcome.. :)12:02
blueyedNow on to pbuilding :)12:03
Megaqwertymwahaha so it begins ;)12:04
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Megaqwertyblueyed: you an MOTU?12:04
blueyednot yet :)12:05
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MegaqwertyAh, was going to ask what it entails. I've been building debs for friends and family for a while, figured I might be able to contribute to the community at large at some point.12:06
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Megaqwertywell, on to the wiki I suppose.12:08
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blueyedMegaqwerty: yes, start with bugs and simple packaging.. you'll always find sponsors for the uploads.12:10
xhakerhey. someone familiar with Syntax Error: Bad Substitution?12:10
geserxhaker: bash/dash syntax error?12:13
xhakergeser, yes12:14
xhakergeser, can i show you?12:14
gesercan you show the line12:14
geser?12:14
xhaker                cp ${f/libmtp6/libmtp} $f ;     \12:15
xhakeri think this is it12:15
xhakerthe line before is "for f in ...."12:16
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leonelblueyed:  thanks12:19
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xhakeri can't find any documentation on bashisms12:21
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geserxhaker: either use bash to run the script or see man dash what's possible (everything else which bash supports is a bash extension)12:24
AmaranthRAOF: did the guy we test +xinerama with the other day use KDE?12:27

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