[12:37] blueyed: usually it should get stopped from the prerm script from the old version and started again in postinst from the new version [12:40] geser: yes, indeed. makes sense and there's a section in prerm added by dh_installinit for it. [12:41] But somehow it must fail then.. (to stop the running instance) [12:42] bug 91607 really is about "dpkg --configure -a" only.. [12:42] Launchpad bug 91607 in postfix-policyd "postfix-policyd init script doesn't behave" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91607 [12:42] But I've experienced it to fail myself - probably because it was "hanging" already. [12:43] Therefor the "start must not exit 1" fix does not seem to be necessary for the CVE fix. [12:43] I will wrap start-stop-daemon in an "if [[ ] ] ", so "set -e" does not cause to exit the script, ok? [12:47] StevenK: No? What new shiny can I break now? === emiri_ [n=edu@114.190.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] nixternal: pfft, what a softy. I expected death threats at least ;-) === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] hehe [12:57] I am having issues with eclipse...food first, then debug time === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === emiri_ is now known as emirijimi [01:03] Oh, joy. Our xorg-driver-fglrx package installs a Xsession.d file on amd64, and the raw fglrx installer creates a different Xsession.d file. Sweet. === emirijimi is now known as emirijimi_ [01:04] sure, is that surprising? === emirijimi_ is now known as emirijimi === imtheface [n=andy@ubuntu/member/imtheface] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@189.12.79.246] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] ajmitch: It's news to me. The nvidia installer doesn't do that. === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] but nvidia does slightly better drivers :) [01:09] Any C programmers around? Could you please check, if my observations for the dapper/edgy versions are alright? bug 136687 [01:09] Launchpad bug 136687 in postfix-policyd "buffer overflow in w_read function (possible DoS and execution of arbitary code)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136687 [01:10] evening === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-097-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] hello zul [01:15] hi ajmitch and zul [01:15] hello mr LaserJock [01:15] hey LaserJock [01:16] LaserJock: so, stirring up vast flamewars on planet ubuntu? [01:16] always [01:16] trying to see how long it takes for Mark to kick me out ;-) [01:18] hehe [01:18] he can't kick out a celebrity like you [01:19] no, but he can kick me out [01:20] yeah right [01:20] next on my agenda was "My MOTU Manifesto" but I don't know how much of me people can handle in one day ;-) [01:21] LaserJock: post it! [01:21] I also have GSoC and ClassmatePC posts to do [01:21] :( [01:21] I got behind === ajmitch also has lurking to do [01:21] since I don't blog === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] blogging is overrated [01:22] in some ways for sure [01:23] exactly, unless it's LaserJock [01:23] it's a bit easier to get info "out there" [01:23] bah, whatever [01:23] I'm just as overrated as the next guy ;-) [01:23] nah, you're just a legend amongst mortals. or you blog more than us [01:24] either one works [01:24] ssh is so lagged, I'm typing a full sentence blind [01:24] LaserJock, just get a big sandwich board and a bell and you will be happy [01:25] or a monkey with a music grinder either way [01:29] zul: good idea [01:29] im partial to the monkey [01:30] me too [01:30] although they can be obnoxious and smelly :/ [01:31] but give it a cigarette and you have a happy monkey [01:31] I wonder if that works for ponies? === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] unlikely [01:38] geser: I've now used --oknodo in the init-script (bug 91607) [01:38] Launchpad bug 91607 in postfix-policyd "postfix-policyd init script doesn't behave" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91607 [01:38] I think I should coin a new phrase, "Those who can't, blog" [01:38] haha [01:38] what about those of us that "don't" [01:38] lurk [01:38] I can do that [01:39] I've got years of experience === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-45a2ce18fe8049e4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Martinp24 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alvinc [n=alvinc@adsl-75-37-45-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@84.13.126.88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tm_T [i=tm_travo@kde/developer/jkekkonen] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] hi kids === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lmr [n=lmr@201.82.51.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luisbg [n=luisbg@37.Red-88-24-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] ello all === mayeco [n=mayeco@201.218.116.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] Hey imbrandon [03:36] hello imbrandon, RAOF [03:40] heya ajmitch RAOF === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] hey ajmitch ever networked a computer using a parallel port ? [03:40] hrm this could be interesting === RAOF has! [03:41] RAOF: reciently? seen a howto online ? [03:41] imbrandon: no, I prefer sanity [03:41] and PLIP isn't [03:41] heh [03:41] i'm sure ubuntu's kernel has a plip module hopefully, i havent looked === nixternal throws some bbq at imbrandon [03:41] Not recently, no. But back in the day I played doom2 & C&C over a parallel port :) [03:41] CATCH! [03:42] heya nixternal [03:42] wasabi homeskillet [03:42] neither is nixternal :) [03:42] lol [03:42] imbrandon: are you using the laplink type cable to network via parallel? [03:42] yea [03:42] using Linux I am guessing [03:43] well here is what i'm thinking about attempting here in a few minutes [03:43] all boxen in the house are ubuntu ( of course ) and i was gonna stick a few nic's in this old 200mhz box and make a router/dhcpserver/fileserver [03:44] and via its parrelle port network a laptop that has no cdrom or pcmcia or nic [03:44] hrmm [03:44] with a 50 foot laplink ltp cable [03:44] 9800 baud love! [03:44] there use to be an application similar to laplink for Linux way way way back in the day [03:44] lol would work enough for a cli term for irc and mutt , thats all i want [03:45] I feel a "you might be a redneck" joke coming on with this one :) [03:45] problem is i need to load debian via the plip connection too , only a floppy drive in the lappy ;) [03:45] if you consider IP over No. 8 wire to be broadband... [03:46] hahahaha [03:46] lol ajmitch [03:46] more of a "can i do this" kinda thing than really needing it [03:47] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/PLIP.html [03:47] hahaha, 1998 baby! [03:48] many things are possible, the question is whether you should [03:48] heh true [03:48] I don't even know if I have ever seen PLIP in action honestly...I can't remember back that far [03:49] well i guess i should build this router first huh [03:49] then worry about the plip [03:49] imbrandon: this is the MOTU channel, I would recommend you ask support questions in #ubuntu === nixternal runs and hides lauging hardly [03:50] hardly heron! [03:50] laughing too [03:50] young upstarts === imbrandon ops [03:50] although, I definitely wouldn't put it past #ubuntu for someone with an answer [03:51] last year in #kubuntu I seen a question that made me do a "wth you talkin' bout willis" [03:51] and someone answered it like he did it for a living [03:52] hearty heroin [03:52] hegemonic haemophage === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] horrifically hungry! [03:56] and for UDS, horrendously hungover === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:56] do people drink at UDSs? ;-) [03:56] never [03:57] I don't recall at all the first day of UBZ, when mark & the team running UBZ had been out drinking until 4AM [03:57] that just didn't happen [04:00] what is drinking? === RobinD_ [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] dunno [04:00] LaserJock: You have heard the Burger version of UDS? [04:01] no [04:01] Ubuntu Drinking Session [04:01] Man I'm glad debuild understands "-nc" [04:02] we have no problem whatsoever with drinking in this project [04:02] It's only a problem if it postpones the release. Otherwise, carry on. ;) [04:06] hehe, like when Tollef has had too much wine and has to release the next day? [04:06] at least he knows when he shouldn't be making a release ;-0 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] or kereoke where jono checks out chicks with 2 teeth [04:15] haha [04:17] Ok, we seem to have a winner. Xgl can be cleanly removed, reinstalled, and upgraded. And I think that it'll work even if people have crazy stuff in Xsession.d [04:17] great [04:18] does it have the necessary exceptions to be uploaded? [04:18] and do you have a sponsor mad enough? [04:18] It's not a new upstream, it doesn't have new features. [04:18] No sponsor yet :) [04:18] oh, you got the last version in? [04:18] Yes. [04:19] And now I'm fixing the things I couldn't test :) [04:19] (Stupid fglrx drivers!) [04:19] nixternal should be mad enough by now [04:19] Awesome. [04:20] heh, speaking of xgl, see -devel [04:20] Yup, that's me :() [04:22] I think I'll add a per-user disable switch (check if $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/xserver-xgl/disabled exists) to satisfy the people who want it installed but not enabled, then do the sponsor fandango. === evand_ [n=evand@acm.pct.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch can't sponsor [04:24] Awwww. [04:24] I can barely stay connected to my box at home for longer than 5 minutes via ssh today [04:24] something is causing it to fall apart & die [04:27] why should I be mad enough by now? [04:27] did I miss something? [04:27] nixternal: you've been voluntold to sponsor xgl uploads ;) [04:27] never! [04:27] it goes against my religion [04:28] Fine fine, option b it is then. [04:28] RAOF: you should be a MOTU by now === tonyyarusso enrolls nixternal in his Windows class [04:28] He isn't? === nixternal brings Kubuntu LiveCD with [04:28] ajmitch: Application is before the MOTU council right now. [04:28] I thought you got it already? [04:28] nixternal: yeah, that won't help much, since the class is specifically on configuring Windows [04:28] tonyyarusso: I can configure windows with a Kubuntu LiveCD [04:29] the cd has krdc :) [04:29] haha [04:30] my stupid university said the reason they didn't switch is because they need ms term server to connect to their servers...so I whipped out my kubuntu live cd, and showed them that they didn't need winders! [04:30] RAOF: I know, I've voted for you :) [04:31] RAOF: but we haven't seen crimsun or gpocentek around enough for them to vote [04:31] Isn't crimsun off off and away yet? [04:31] nixternal: then what'd they do? === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] RAOF: he is, but he's also still on IRC & on the MC === RAOF thought he was going somewhere uncontactable, but that may be my memory being awful. [04:35] afaik, he is/will be [04:38] tonyyarusso: absolutely nothing [04:38] they aren't all that bright === ceros_ [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] RAOF: we should be able to forward your application to the TB by sunday or so, since that'd give 2 weeks to respond [04:40] Cool. [04:40] One less step in the process of maintaining xgl and miro :) === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:54] :/ === valles_ [n=valles@190.37.168.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] darn you emacs! [04:56] CPU at 82C and rising [04:56] ouch thats hot for a G4. [04:56] it's a Celeron [04:56] ah [04:56] sorry, misread. [04:56] heh [04:57] only 82C? [04:58] phew [04:58] it just made it [04:58] got through emacs22 topping out at 86C [04:58] hottest I ever saw mine run at was 93C [04:58] at which point it would happily reboot :) [04:58] mine shutsdown at ~90C [04:58] installing emacs is the only thing that makes it hit that === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] heh === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.233.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] Sounds like the cooling needs attention. === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] shame my cpu havent reached over 60 :( === porthose [n=porthose@24-119-101-247.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === porthose [n=porthose@24-119-101-247.cpe.cableone.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [05:34] % acpi -Vs [05:34] Thermal 1: ok, 4294967296.0 degrees C [05:34] Hrm. I don't think ACPI likes amd64/my chipset. === Simon80 [n=Simon80@bas6-toronto63-1128677267.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] holy smokes, you have the sun for a processor! [05:47] my cpu never hits 60 [05:59] RAOF: what did you think of the python talk ? [06:00] hrm isnt there a way to use the di via ssh after boot froma netinst cd image ( 4.0r1 ) , and does ubuntu server install image offer the same ? [06:01] anna-install openssh-server or something similar [06:01] anna-install??? [06:02] anna-install ? [06:02] o_O [06:02] !info anna-install [06:02] Package anna-install does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas [06:02] !info anna [06:02] Package anna does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas [06:02] Its a udeb [06:03] is it an option at install/boot time or do i have to do some trickery [06:03] imbrandon: After you boot, get a shell and run that [06:03] ahh ok [06:04] ubuntu as well afayk ? === StevenK nods [06:05] sweet, thanks === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] lifeless: It was good. Some of the stuff I already knew, but it doesn't hurt to say it again. I didn't know how much python hates recursion, though. [06:07] cool [06:07] I also didn't know about rctypes. Or the profiler :) [06:08] These things will be useful, should I wish to fix performance bugs. [06:08] RAOF: The shiny, shiny crack I uploaded yesterday was virtualbox [06:09] StevenK: Aaah. [06:10] ohhhh vb 1.5? [06:10] StevenK: What advantage does it have over, say, kvm? [06:10] speed [06:10] RAOF: It doesn't require the virtualisation CPU flags [06:11] imbrandon: And no, only 1.4.0 plus some SVN fixes [06:11] ahh cool, good nuff i'd say [06:12] Oh, dear. Files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d should probably be treated as conffiles, right? Even though they are essentially shell scripts. [06:12] Probably [06:14] Right. I'll need to clean that up in a different way then. [06:15] Ah, more xgl hacking [06:16] Indeed. === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] So, I need to remove /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00xserver-xgl_start-server & replace it with a different 98xserver-xgl_start-server. === alvinc [n=alvinc@adsl-75-37-45-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF has an idea [06:30] lifeless: was it recorded? === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] ... [06:47] ajmitch: yes [06:51] good, I'll have to try & get it then === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-040-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-040-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jsgotangco [n=JSG@tequilla.exist.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alvinc [n=alvinc@adsl-75-37-45-134.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-10-108.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-3-32.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-30168f6263275a69] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] Yay. I've now got what I believe to be a better Xgl solution, plus a preinst to kill the old config file. And a killswitch. [08:36] RAOF, for your Xgl solution, are you forcing media playback apps outside the Xgl session? [08:36] or has Xv improved in Xgl? [08:37] superm1: I thought Xv worked in Xgl. [08:37] RAOF, well i had issues with it way back when [08:37] Better than in regular Xorg, actually, since it'll be redirected properly. [08:37] Right. Works For Me(tm). [08:37] and so my solution ended up being a bunch of dpkg-divert's, that made a launcher for any app that needed Xv [08:37] Eeep [08:38] something like DISPLAY=:0 app.real [08:38] and then i ran a window manager on :0 [08:38] Yeah, that works. [08:38] and devilspie to take off decorations [08:38] and then backstep to allow minimizing [08:38] That seems to be a lot of effort :). [08:39] i had a very lengthy guide explaining it all at some point, but its been long gone since the migrations from different compiz forums and between the compiz-beryl-compizfusion switch [08:39] but it was actually fairly functional, and likely packageable should it still have been necessary [08:39] As far as I'm aware, wine is the main offender in the "doesn't play well with xgl" [08:40] well i'll have to revisit it again some time soon, my worry now adays though would be how well it works with large displays (2800x1200) [08:40] i'm not sure how much video ram would really be needed to handle that large of textures [08:41] Yeah. I'm not sure if Xgl will work when your display size is greater than your card's maximum texture size. [08:41] Which is 2048 on anything != nvidia [08:41] ah. well that's not cool. === superm1 will have to delay playing with RAOF's crack then :) [08:41] superm1: No, please do. [08:42] At least test whether it works or not. It would be technically possible to work, I'm just not sure whether that's implemented or not :) [08:42] Worst case: you uninstall xgl and the problems go away :) [08:42] indeed [08:43] are you pushing to a PPA as of current? [08:43] No, universe. [08:43] including your session setup and such? [08:43] Yes, but you may wish to grab my new version rather than the one that's currently in there. [08:44] which would be in PPA? [08:45] No, actually. [08:45] Which you'd get as a debdiff, cause it's not quite done :) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:46] RAOF, okay cool. If you need a sponsor, feel free to ping me (although it looks like your MOTU application is just around the corner) [08:46] superm1: Ta [08:47] Amaranth: Hey, is there any particular reason why compiz would use a worse filtering method under Xgl? [08:47] RAOF: The only reason it'd ever do that is --indirect-rendering === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] Amaranth: [08:48] Which is what I thought. [08:49] But there's no --indirect-rendering being passed to compiz.real. And the filtering is definitely worse. [08:49] Why? Are you seeing smudging? [08:49] Amaranth: Yes, and it's much blockier [08:49] <\sh> geser, thx for uploading [08:49] RAOF: weird [08:50] RAOF: looks crystal clear here [08:50] That reminds me, I need to go through our keybindings [08:50] Amaranth: Actually, scratch that. It seems to be a problem in Shift. Cube rotate is fine, but the shift filtering looks like nearest-neigbour [08:51] Other than traditional things like Ctrl-Alt-Left/Right/Up/Down we should never use any modifier other than Alt [08:51] I don't think we actually do but it'll be good to be sure :) [08:51] Why? [08:51] Because that's what applications expect [08:52] Application developers know Alt is closed off from them so they use everything else [08:52] Fair enough. [08:52] For example, Super-Tab switches focus between the different parts of xchat-gnome [08:52] Amaranth: ever used emacs? [08:52] It can be a bit of a challenge making Texmacs work right. It has a hojilion keybindings. [08:53] I never knew that until I tried pressing it for the shift switcher and forgot I disabled it [08:53] jml: M-x doesn't count :) [08:53] jml: I do not care about such obscene corner cases [08:54] RAOF: The bug submitter yelled at me for closing that compiz vs compiz.real bug Won't Fix [08:54] the one about session saving [08:54] So I guess I should find a workaround :) [08:54] Amaranth: I haven't seen that bug, linky? [08:54] RAOF: I was talking to you about it the other day === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:54] gnome-session saves compiz.real in the session, not compiz [08:55] Ah. === torkel [n=torkel@skruttibangbang.hpc2n.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] so when you resume that session if you use something other than nvidia it breaks because the environment isn't setup [08:55] so they get no WM [08:55] Ah, problem. [08:55] I'm thinking of adding something to compiz.real to make it call compiz if a certain flag wasn't passed to it [08:56] Urgh. [08:56] I call you, you call me, I call you again :) [08:56] I know, it's horrible [08:56] Amaranth: bug #? [08:56] But it's either that or stick LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT in the session by default and ignore Xgl users :) [08:56] Amaranth, is it shipped as compiz/compiz.real upstream, or is that an ubuntu local enhancment? [08:57] superm1: ubuntu === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:57] bug 130450 [08:57] Launchpad bug 130450 in compiz "compiz-fusion does not start on login" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130450 [08:58] I was a bit melodramatic about the fix required, wanted to dissuade the guy from pushing it [08:58] Amaranth, so are you thinking something along the lines of adding something like a execv '/usr/bin/compiz' to the start of main in compiz.real if you dont see that flag then? [08:58] superm1: something like that [08:59] Amaranth, something about that doesn't feel clean to me, but it sounds functional [08:59] This is yet another "drivers suck" bug [08:59] Indeed. Tell them to install xserver-xgl :P [08:59] RAOF: That's even worse [09:00] Thinking of which, the intel drivers implement pbuffers now, right? [09:00] Amaranth, don't unix apps provide $0 as the name of the calling app? So maybe instead look at $0 and see if its /usr/bin/compiz, and if it's not, then launch into the /usr/bin/compiz process instead [09:00] For intel and ati users installing Xgl would be enough but this bug is worse for fglrx and nvidia users, instead of no WM they get a nice white screen [09:00] RAOF: yeah [09:00] Amaranth: Oh, of course, yes. [09:00] i thought that mplayer used something very similar to determine whether or not to start gmplayer or mplayer === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:02] I don't think that will work, because compiz.real is always called as compiz.real, it just needs to be called from the compiz wrapper script. I don't *think* that the $0 of the script will be the $0 of the compiz.real process. === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ant30 [n=aperezar@19.Red-80-59-20.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === torkel [i=torkel@monsun.hpc2n.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] RAOF, you appear to be right. i just wrote a quick app that seems to verify === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-217.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F74E18.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:19] good morning [09:19] hi dholbach [09:19] morning dholbach [09:20] Good evening dholbach :) [09:20] hey ajmitch, hey superm1, hey RAOF === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-68-188.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo_ [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host133-161-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:36] *cough * *cough * morning === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stgraber [n=stgraber@dakara.stgraber.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === POX_ [n=pox@89.248.165.10] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Martinp24 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-d57c34d6f458b42c] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lamego [n=lamego@a81-84-231-49.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === huats [n=huats@194.98.120.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:49] anyone on kubuntu/i386 here? [10:50] if anyone is on kubuntu/i386, can you check bug 137222 and report if you have the same problem? [10:50] Launchpad bug 137222 in adept "Adept description field is wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137222 === Ferra1 [n=Ferraann@46.pool85-60-5.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ferra2 [n=Ferraann@46.pool85-60-5.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ferra2 [n=Ferraann@46.pool85-60-5.dynamic.orange.es] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:01] Could someone please check this url for me? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~shawarma/ubuntu-dev-tools/submittodebian [11:02] Does an actual web page show up or do you also just see http headers and such? === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-14b4c25ad9ff2491] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:03] soren: connection close [11:04] norsetto: Alright. I'm just stuck behind a proxy, so I didn't want to bother the launchpad dudes with it if it was the proxy breaking it. Thanks for checking! [11:04] soren: np === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-d41d8bb2364dce7d] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yamal [n=yamal@unaffiliated/yamal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] superm1: Still up for some review/sponsor action? [11:22] <\sh> oh yeah...some uploads are ready for upload ;) === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch uploads & wonders how high the lag can go [11:37] ~20sec irc lag so far [11:37] hehe === bigon [n=bigon@231.167-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a556:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/ works again === paran [n=paran@cust.fiber-lan.snet.lk.212.214.112.112.visit.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wug1 [n=paulm@sandbox.hartrao.ac.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:24] dholbach: what is the criteria for inclusion in the list? [12:26] dholbach: never mind, I see what is missing now and why [12:27] hi, I'm wanting to package http://freshmeat.net/projects/ppgplot/ I've contacted the author but he hasn't replied. Can I still go ahead with attempting to package it, without his 'yay or nay'? [12:28] norsetto: what's missing? [12:28] wug1: sure [12:28] dholbach: conky (its in the u-u-s queue) [12:29] norsetto: why is it missing? [12:30] dholbach: I thought it was not in the u-u-s queue (I had forgotten to subscribe u-u-s) but its in there, so, I don't know === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] dholbach: cool. Do you know of any references I should look at, concerning python module packaging? I see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PythonModulePackaging is empty. [12:31] wug1: you could look at similar packages [12:31] Can someone review the debdiff for bug #136962 ? It works (for me), and I believe it's correct, but it's more complicated than what I've worked with in the past. [12:31] Launchpad bug 136962 in xserver-xgl "Session file left after uninstall breaks X" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136962 [12:31] wug1: we have a reference package on the wiki somewhere [12:32] RAOF: if you subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors it has better chances of getting reviewed [12:33] RAOF: maybe bryce, mvo or macslow can help with that? [12:33] norsetto: I think it's because it has a debian task - I'll look into it [12:33] dholbach: I just applied for ubuntu-main-sponsor. I hope that's okay [12:33] wug1: have a look at: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html [12:34] dholbach: I don't know, you are missing 7 packages, and only 2 have a debian task [12:34] siretart: looking into it [12:34] siretart: that's very much appreciated [12:35] jussi01: thanks :-) [12:35] :) [12:35] wug1: for python, have a look at cdbs [12:36] wug1: detailed cdbs stuff is here: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml [12:37] dholbach: but 5 others have duplicated tasks, so, yes, it seems you are missing bugs which have duplicated tasks [12:41] norsetto: looking into it [12:42] jussio01: thanks. So you're suggesting that I use cdbs to do the packaging? or just that I should check out the example (https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2529721)? [12:43] jussio01: My aim is to get a handle of the standard packaging tools - although starting with a python module is probably not exactly std :-/ [12:44] wug1: I havent looked at the package, but cdbs is very simple for python packages. However, I suggest you first go and read and follow th first link i gave you - it explains a normal c package. [12:44] it's pretty standard [12:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/ReferencePackages [12:45] python-launchpad-bugs is a python module using cdbs [12:48] jussio01 + dholbach: thanks, will check it out. === wug1 [n=paulm@sandbox.hartrao.ac.za] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon_ [n=bigon@139.176-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] dholbach: whatever you did 136962 now is included (was missing before) === mok0 [n=mok@ghost.imsb.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] norsetto: um... weird [12:57] maybe you just subscribed the team to it? [12:57] the script runs every 30 min === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:57] dholbach: no [12:58] weird [12:58] let's watch the problem then for a longer time [12:59] dholbach: I see its also filtering if both u--m-s and u-u-s are subscribed. Is it on purpose? === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] right, only one instance of the bug is shown [01:00] so not for every task in the list === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] norsetto: http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/sponsors-page.py === wugz [n=paulm@sandbox.hartrao.ac.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0_ [n=mok@fw1.mb.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] jussi01: Heh what was that quick entry and leave in -accessibility for? :p [01:11] TheMuso: I was looking at a list of channel and click the wrong one... [01:12] I hate that... [01:12] heh ok. [01:12] Even if you did stick around, there is not much that happens in there. [01:12] hehe [01:13]