[06:54] <shirish> Ubulette:  you up m8?
[07:16] <shirish> anybody else up?
[07:29] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago: thanks
 hjmf: is crux a standard theme (e.g. do we provide that by default?)
[07:30] <hjmf> asac: yes iirc
[07:31] <hjmf> asac: gtk2-engines and gtk2-engines-ubnutulooks are installed by default
[07:35] <hjmf> the themes that come with gtk2-engines are: libclearlooks.so libcrux-engine.so libglide.so libhcengine.so libindustrial.so libluaengine.so libmist.so libredmond95.so libsmooth.so libthinice.so
[07:35] <hjmf> asac: ^^^
[11:14] <asac> hjmf: thanks
[11:15] <asac> hjmf: can you add the gtk2-engines package as a target to that bug and let me know?
[11:15] <asac> i will then bug seb about it
[11:47] <shirish> asac: you up m8?
[11:47] <asac> not really up ... but at least flat :)
[11:47] <shirish> lol :P
[11:48] <shirish> asac: Is Ubulette keeping gnash too in repository or know anybody who's doing that also?
[11:48] <asac> i don't think so
[11:48] <asac> i update gnash in official archives from time to time
[11:49] <shirish> asac: oh ok, for I saw gnash got to rc3 just a few days back.
[11:49] <asac> 0.8.1 ?
[11:49] <asac> ok thanks for the info
[11:50] <asac> i will talk to them if its worth another release
[11:50] <asac> but i hoped to have it final already :)
[11:50] <shirish> 2007-08-29 0.8.1
[11:50] <shirish> http://www.gnashdev.org/?q=node/42
[11:52] <shirish> asac: it would be nice to see the new version in ;)
[11:53] <asac> yes ... i will figure out ... if they plan to release final tomorrow or so then i will just wait :)
[11:53] <asac> but i doubt that it brings any significant improvements over what we currently have in gutsy
[11:54] <shirish> asac: I know what you mean, but who knows, for times when I'm on some sites with gnash, it just freezes, nothing happens :(
[11:55] <asac> if you can reproduce it by just starting gnash URL.swf ... then let me know
[11:55] <asac> upstream certainly wants more of those cases posted
[11:57] <shirish> asac: that way... ok. will try. For right now, I do know that for e.g. in facebook it sometimes freezes and I get some error.
[11:57] <shirish> asac: something about threads not cleaned up or something like that.
[11:57] <asac> hmm
[11:58] <asac> well reproducing in standalone gnash player is better to nail down the problem
[11:58] <shirish> asac: ok will try that, here's an excerpt of what happened yesterday, also day before that.
[11:58] <shirish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36078/
[11:59] <asac> shirish: but other flash things work for you? like youtube?
[11:59] <shirish> asac: some flash movies work on youtube, some don't, 40-60 perhaps.
[12:00] <shirish> asac: i.e. 40% working-60% not working something like that.
[12:00] <asac> strange
[12:01] <asac> but might be true ... what do you see in log for those that don't work?
[12:01] <asac> (e.g. on console)
[12:01] <shirish> asac: haven't really seen, would look & report back, where do you think the testcases should go?
[12:02] <shirish> asac: sorry I meant logs about movies which don't work, where they should go?
[12:02] <asac> to a bug report ... if its reproducible
[12:02] <asac> then we can forward upstream
[12:02] <asac> shirish: start ffox from console
[12:02] <shirish> asac: ok will do ;)
[12:02] <asac> then you will see the gnash output on console
[12:03] <shirish> asac: I always do that ;) whether ff, ff-gp or ff-tr ;)
[12:03] <asac> good
[12:03] <asac> then you should be well prepared ;)
[12:03] <shirish> asac: maybe you can help
[12:04] <asac> me?
[12:04] <asac> on what?
[12:04] <shirish> asac: I'm looking for one of those price comparator addons/scripts on greasemonkey, any recommendations or ideas?
[12:04] <asac> no ... i am really a user with little need for extra/addons et al
[12:04] <shirish> asac: or even just addons for ff which do price comparisions between some sites
[12:04] <asac> no idea ... sorry
[12:05] <shirish> asac: ok understood, any idea who would be the guy to know stuff like this?
[12:05] <asac> i think i only have ubufox extension installed :)
[12:05] <asac> no idea ... maybe on mozillazine forums
[12:05] <asac> at least they should point you to the right forum if its off-topic there
[12:07] <shirish> asac: does the mozillazine forums follow the https:// protocol?
[12:07] <asac> you really ask too much :)
[12:08] <asac> i would have to try to know :)
[12:08] <asac> http://forums.mozillazine.org/
[12:08] <asac> its just http
[12:08] <shirish> asac: isn't that a pity :(
[12:08] <asac> maybe they use it for login
[12:08] <asac> otherwise ... its not really sensible data on there
[12:09] <asac> so ... i have no hard opinion on it
[12:09] <shirish> asac: negative, they don't use it for login also
[12:09] <asac> yeha ... i have no problem with it
[12:09] <asac> just pick a trivial password :)
[12:10] <asac> like "trivialpass" :)
[12:11] <shirish> lol, that's a good one ;)
[12:15] <asac> or "snifferscomein"
[12:15] <asac> snifferswelcome
[12:17] <shirish> asac: when you update a password, does it remember that it has been updated? It does though ask to remember.
[12:19] <asac> why don't you just try ... iirc it should ask you to remember
[12:20] <shirish> asac: I just tried, it makes another one, this is not good :(
[12:20] <asac> what do you mean?
[12:20] <asac> if you use a new login id you will have two afterwards
[12:21] <asac> when you use the same login id but change password it should overwrite from what i can tell
[12:23] <shirish> doesn't matter really, I just resolved it, I removed both stuff & did it right.
[12:23] <asac> ok ;)
[12:24] <asac> i am happy when you are happy :-D
[12:24] <shirish> :)
[12:25] <asac> at least until someone else gets unhappy :-P
[12:39] <shirish> asac: than
[12:39] <shirish> oops
[12:39] <shirish> I just wanted to say thank you for your efforts
 hjmf: can you add the gtk2-engines package as a target to that bug and let me know?
[05:06] <hjmf> asac: done :)
[05:07] <hjmf> bug #129007 and bug #133277 (which can be tag as dup of the former IMHO)
[05:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129007 in firefox "MASTER firefox-bin crashed with crux theme [@moz_gtk_widget_paint]  at #10" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129007
[05:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133277 in gtk2-engines "[GUTSY]  firefox crashed [@moz_gtk_widget_paint at #6]  [@nsNativeThemeGTK::DrawWidgetBackground] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133277
[05:09] <asac> hjmf: thanks
[05:11] <asac> hjmf: did we ever get a success full auto-dupe from retracers?
[05:15] <hjmf> asac: yes, but just only in a couple of cases in thunderbird, since always either at ff and tb we get the apport-failed-retrace
[05:15] <hjmf> so there the autodupe does nothing
[05:15] <hjmf> asac: do you know why we cannot get good coredumps and why the users when they retrace with firefox -g they get good retraces?
[05:17] <asac> hmm
[05:17] <asac> are the retraces really bad?
[05:18] <asac> or maybe its just that they contain a ?? and thus apport marks them as failed?
[05:18] <hjmf> from the coredumps almost always are bad, ether from autoretrace and from myself
[05:19] <hjmf> eg bug #136869
[05:19] <ubotu> Bug 136869 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/136869 is private
[05:19] <hjmf> like that one, almost all of them.
[05:19] <hjmf> I cannot get a better retrace myself
[05:21] <hjmf> but some others (the minority) are OK, like bug #136747
[05:21] <ubotu> Bug 136747 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/136747 is private
[05:29] <asac> hjmf: ok cool we have a fix :)
[05:30] <asac> for this drawing crashes
[05:31] <hjmf> asac: great
[05:31] <hjmf> it will be a patch for firefox or the fix comes from gtk2-engines package
[05:31] <hjmf> ?
[05:39] <asac> firefox
[05:40] <asac> please close the gtk-engine tasks ;)
[05:40] <asac> sorry
[05:40] <hjmf> asac: ok :)
[05:45] <hjmf> done
[05:50] <asac> hjmf: mozilla bug 394876
[05:50] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 394876 in GFX: Gtk "moz_gtk_option_menu_get_metrics is incorrectly freeing border" [Normal,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394876
[05:50] <asac> all drawing crashers are probably related to that
[05:56] <hjmf> cool I've seen your patch there, adding the upstream link to our master
[07:08] <Ubulette> hi
[07:09] <Ubulette> what's new here ?
[07:11] <Ubulette> asac, mozclient ?
[07:59] <gnomefreak> Ubulette:  xulrunner failed to build
[07:59] <Ubulette> oh ?
[07:59] <gnomefreak> broken pipe
[07:59] <gnomefreak> ill pastein error
[08:00] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/193566
[08:00] <gnomefreak> if you need more of error please let me know
[08:00] <Ubulette> looks like the nsinstall issue
[08:00] <Ubulette> what branch did you use ?
[08:01] <gnomefreak> did you update nss nspr lately?
[08:01] <Ubulette> it's not related
[08:02] <Ubulette> i've patched nsinstall.c a while ago but it has been integrated upstream
[08:02] <gnomefreak> https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/nss/nss.ubuntu.trunk
[08:02] <Ubulette> so the patch is still in .trunk but no longer in .dev
[08:03] <gnomefreak> i was told to use trunk for gutsy and gp for feisty
[08:03] <Ubulette> no, that's nss. which xul ?
[08:03] <gnomefreak> oh give me a sec
[08:04] <gnomefreak> https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.dev
[08:04] <Ubulette> bingo
[08:04] <Ubulette> use .trunk
[08:04] <gnomefreak> thats the only one we have for mozilla team
[08:04] <Ubulette> unless you dled the proper tarball
[08:05] <gnomefreak> there is no other xulrunner even on your branches
[08:05] <Ubulette> https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.trunk
[08:05] <gnomefreak> where is this one at?
[08:05] <Ubulette> same place
[08:05] <Ubulette> https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/
[08:05] <gnomefreak> hmmmm why did it list it
[08:06] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[08:06] <gnomefreak> ok ill run that one
[08:06] <gnomefreak> ok ill let you know give me a few hours to build bins
[08:06] <Ubulette> sure
[08:07] <gnomefreak> xulrunner-1.9_1.9~a8~cvs20070829.orig.tar.gz
[08:07] <Ubulette> btw, i've trimmed orig.tgz for ff-trunk
[08:07] <gnomefreak> that is right tarball right?
[08:07] <Ubulette> hmm, hold on
[08:07] <gnomefreak> there were only 2 that was latest i saw
[08:09] <Ubulette> hmm strange.
[08:09] <gnomefreak> is that the right tarball?
[08:09] <Ubulette> thought is as 0824. let me check
[08:09] <Ubulette> was
[08:10] <gnomefreak> asac: can you set up the PPA feisty repo on our testing page since its pretty much done for now
[08:10] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: i do seee a 24
[08:11] <gnomefreak> i see a 24 a 28 and that the 1.8...
[08:12] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: can you give me a minute im gonna restart see if it fixes this mounting file systems as external driver
[08:12] <gnomefreak> drive
[08:12] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 392722
[08:12] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 392722 in Build Config "nsinstall chokes on double slashes in path" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392722
[08:16] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, use http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tarballs/xulrunner-1.9_1.9~a8~cvs20070829.orig.tar.gz
[08:16] <Ubulette> and .trunk
[08:16] <gnomefreak> that was the one wasnt it
[08:16] <Ubulette> basically, never build ppa with .deb branches
[08:16] <Ubulette> .dev
[08:16] <gnomefreak> xulrunner-1.9_1.9~a8~cvs20070829.orig.tar.gz
[08:16] <Ubulette> yep
[08:16] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[08:16] <gnomefreak> oh ty ill try it
[08:17] <gnomefreak> have to build .debs :(
[08:18] <gnomefreak> hjmf: congrats on membership sorry i couldnt be there
[08:19] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: ty ill le tyou know what happens
[08:20] <Ubulette_> k
[08:20] <Ubulette_> (stupid daily disconnection)
[08:22] <asac> gnomefreak: yes will add the repo
[08:22] <gnomefreak> ty
[08:30] <gnomefreak> ok its started im going back to drink lunch and laydown
[08:32] <hjmf> gnomefreak: thank you. I really hope you are OK :)
[08:32] <gnomefreak> hjmf: ill live ;)
[08:33] <hjmf> :)
[08:33] <gnomefreak> once pain goes away ill be back to as close to normal as possible
[09:33] <Ubulette> asac ?
[09:44] <shirish> hi all ;)
[09:44] <Ubulette> hi
[09:45] <shirish> Ubulette: got your reply, thanx :)
[09:45] <Ubulette> shirish, you'd really should consider lurking here, it would be easier to see your questions and answer them
[09:47] <shirish> Ubulette: the problem is, my comp. is shared by my mum & me, and she is the solitaire type, just plays solitaire.
[09:47] <shirish> hence when she is around, then pidgin is closed, also electricity is pretty much uncertain.
[09:47] <Ubulette> oh, ok
[09:48] <shirish> Ubulette: the question about pidgin was in my heart/head for quite sometime now
[09:50] <shirish> Ubulette: so now you know, hence if I just seem to goof of for no apparent reason or not responding, there is a big possibility that electricity might have gone off or is very low hence its gets switched off automatically.
[09:50] <Ubulette> i see. no problem
[09:50] <shirish> Ubulette: btw are you a big addons-user or like asac none at all?
[09:51] <Ubulette> i was with ff2
[09:51] <Ubulette> ff3 is as you know poor regarding addons compat
[09:52] <shirish> Ubulette: did you use greasemonkey in your add-ons journey?
[09:52] <Ubulette> nope
[09:55] <Ubulette> shirish, did you try today's ff3 ?
[09:55] <Ubulette> i think I fixed your ca certificates issue
[09:56] <shirish> Ubulette: ok cool, lemme try it then & report back
[10:04] <shirish> Ubulette: ok its downloading 27 MiB or thereabouts (with a few dbgsym packages involved)
[10:04] <shirish> oh drats, there are other packages too, apart from ff3 also
[10:05] <Ubulette> not sure but it seems the dbgsym are broken (too small)
[10:06] <shirish> Ubulette: that's what I had been noticing from few days, thought I should ask you but then thought better of not to ask.
[10:06] <shirish> Ubulette: they're supposed to be bigger than the files aren't they?
[10:08] <Ubulette> for xul, yes. for the new ff3, i don't really know yet
[10:10] <shirish> Ubulette: ok the xulrunner -dbgsym file is 7132 bytes as opposed to the file itself which is 8151 KiloBytes which are poles apart.
[10:11] <Ubulette> yep
[10:11] <Ubulette> i'll check that another time
[10:11] <shirish> Ubulette: ok as far as you know that's good enough, I'm sure one of these days you'll try to see what can be done about that :)
[10:12] <shirish> Ubulette: as it is without a kernel or gdb or whatever is broken is not fixed. the dbgsym packages are useless, we just make sure we have them when they do get fixed.
[10:14] <shirish> uh oh, have to logout, pidgin-libnotify is also getting upgraded, bb in a while.
[10:17] <gnomefreak> asac: seems that iceape buildd failed for lpia by looking at build logs the 99_configure and the 20_gcc g++ patches were never applied during build. here is the log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9111562/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.iceape_1.1.4-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz i could swear i added them to branch with bzr add. i cant look into this (i will have to wait till i can think better this oxycodon is really making me weird. i
[10:18] <Ubulette> applying patch 99_configure to ./ ... ok.
[10:19] <gnomefreak> ah yes so its just the 20_bleh patch
[10:19] <gnomefreak> sorry over looked it
[10:20] <Ubulette> yep, no 20_
[10:20] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm
[10:20] <gnomefreak> let me try something
[10:22] <gnomefreak> asac:  did you pull from my personal branch or from mozillateam
[10:22] <gnomefreak> im pulling my branch to make sure i added it
[10:23] <shirish> just for a while though ;)
[10:23] <Ubulette> damn, songbird build system is really ugly :(
[10:23] <shirish> Ubulette: damn, that was gonna be my next question :P
[10:24] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: in email i got notice about nss being changed from testing to current version was the version changed?
[10:24] <gnomefreak> nss 3.11.7-1
[10:24] <Ubulette> hm, no reason that i know
[10:25] <Ubulette> should be 3.12.0+cvs20070903t1011+bbot-3
[10:26] <shirish> Ubulette: till now, it seems good, the ca certificates issue seems to have been resolved , if you did that, then you should patch it upstream also, if that needs patching up.
[10:27] <Ubulette> no, upstream is fine as they bundle nss within both xul and ff
[10:28] <Ubulette> I think i'm gonna drop exaile for good from my bot
[10:28] <Ubulette> svn: Can't connect to host 'exaile.org': Connection refused
[10:28] <Ubulette> everyday
[10:28] <shirish> Ubulette: that's because they have moved everything to launchpad
[10:28] <Ubulette> really ?
[10:28] <shirish> Ubulette: yup really
[10:28] <Ubulette> url ?
[10:28] <shirish> Ubulette: I bzr up everyday
[10:29] <shirish> Ubulette: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main/
[10:29] <asac> gnomefreak: its 20_ missing and apparently also the appropriate refresh of 99_configure
[10:29] <asac> so in short ... everything ;)
[10:30] <shirish> that's what  bzr info gives me for exaile but for branch.
[10:30] <gnomefreak> im pulling branch to see wha tit is but i ran autoconf2.13 after adding patch
[10:30] <asac> shirish: i think bzr up is not the same as bzr pull
[10:30] <shirish> Ubulette: that's what bzr. info gives me for exaile, but for co of branch dunno about trunk though.
[10:30] <shirish> asac: it isn't?
[10:31] <asac> gnomefreak: well but you have to update the 99_configure patch after running autoconf2.13
[10:31] <asac> e.g. the changes from autoconf2.13 have to be in 99_configure
[10:31] <asac> shirish: i don't think it is
[10:31] <asac> shirish: always use pull if you want to get the latest from remote repository
[10:31] <gnomefreak> i thought autoconf2.13 would update the patch since i was dpatched into the patch
[10:31] <shirish> asac: oh oh
[10:31] <asac> gnomefreak: ok yes then it should
[10:32] <asac> shirish: compare bzr help up .... bzr help pull
[10:32] <gnomefreak> it told me it updated it when i was done
[10:32] <asac> there is obviously a different
[10:32] <asac> gnomefreak: yes ... but if you forgot to apply 20_ ... the autoconf2.13 didn't bring anything new
[10:32] <asac> so your procedure to update 99_configure was right
[10:32] <asac> :)
[10:32] <asac> but you you didn't have 20_ ... applied :)
[10:32] <gnomefreak> its in branch
[10:33] <gnomefreak> on shit
[10:33] <asac> gnomefreak: is it in 00list as well?
[10:33] <gnomefreak> 20_force-no-pragma-visibility-for-gcc-4.2_4.3.dpatch
[10:33] <gnomefreak> ill look
[10:33] <shirish> asac: what does M stand for?
[10:33] <shirish> asac: I mean as http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36370/
[10:34] <gnomefreak> asac: yes it is 20_force-no-pragma-visibility-for-gcc-4.2_4.3
[10:34] <gnomefreak> everything should be fine
[10:34] <asac> ok
[10:34] <asac> then it might have been my fault
[10:34] <gnomefreak> asac: you grabbed from my personal branch right?
[10:35] <asac> shirish: that you just retried changes
[10:35] <gnomefreak> i never updated MT branch
[10:35] <asac> :)
[10:35] <shirish> asac: what does it mean retried changes?
[10:35] <asac> shirish: so before you probably didn't retrieve any updates from remote repository
[10:35] <asac> retrieved
[10:35] <asac> sorry
[10:36] <asac> gnomefreak: which version did i upload?
[10:36] <gnomefreak> 1.1.4
[10:37] <asac> well ... thats clear ... i mean from which branch?
[10:37] <gnomefreak> 1.1.4-1ubuntu1
[10:37] <gnomefreak> same version in MT branch but missing all the other changes
[10:38] <gnomefreak> for mt its #
[10:38] <gnomefreak> for mt its By Alexander Sack <asac@jwsdot.com> on 2007-08-16
[10:38] <gnomefreak> merge from debian as of 1.1.4-1 unstable release
[10:38] <gnomefreak> #
[10:38] <gnomefreak> By John Vivirito <gnomefreak@ubuntu.com> on 2007-08-30
[10:38] <gnomefreak> * debian/changelog: Updated for iceape 1.1.4-1ubuntu2, fixed lpia
[10:38] <gnomefreak> build for gutsy.
[10:38] <gnomefreak> is the lates from mine
[10:38] <asac> gnomefreak: i think i never uploaded the gcc changes
[10:38] <asac> i uploaded ubunt1
[10:38] <gnomefreak> ah that may be why
[10:38] <asac> so either i forgot or you never asked me to :)
[10:39] <gnomefreak> i just asked you to upload it sorry
[10:39] <asac> ok let me see
[10:39] <asac> gnomefreak: i guess i didn't upload though, right?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> hold on let me see filure date
[10:40] <gnomefreak> Queued:  2007-08-18
[10:40] <gnomefreak> yeah you didnt upload by the looks of it
[10:40] <asac> 2007-08-19
[10:40] <asac> yes
[10:40] <asac> ok
[10:40] <asac> pulling
[10:42] <asac> gnomefreak: look at bzr diff -r 87..88
[10:42] <asac> in your branch
[10:42] <asac> its a mess
[10:42] <asac> there is something completely wrong with it
[10:43] <shirish> asac: doing it again, so each time going in the exaile directory, I should do bzr pull instead of bzr up?
[10:43] <asac> gnomefreak: first you added a complete +--- ubuntu-1.1.x~/configure.in~ file
[10:43] <asac> (HUGE)
[10:43] <asac> (NOT NEEDED)
[10:43] <gnomefreak> huh?
[10:44] <asac> gnomefreak: remember that you must be sure that you don't have any backup files lying around when exiting the dpatch shell
[10:44] <asac> otherwise those will just be added
[10:44] <asac> you can strip that file from the 20_... patch manually
[10:44] <asac> 2nd: even though 20_ does the right thing for configure.in ... 99_configure is not updated
[10:44] <asac> in that checkin
[10:45] <asac> well its updated ... but with something completely unrelated
[10:45] <asac> gnomefreak: my advise: remove the configure.in~ patch from the 20_... patch manually
[10:45] <asac> then uncommit the last to checkins
[10:45] <asac> last two checkins
[10:46] <shirish> asac: bzr doesn't seem to be consistent with bandwidth as far as checking out is concerned, anybody else noticed that?
[10:46] <asac> gnomefreak: then rerun autoconf2.13 update in dpatch shell
[10:46] <asac> done
[10:46] <asac> gnomefreak: verify with bzr diff debian/patches/99_*
[10:46] <asac> if the modification to 99_confiugre really contain what they should
[10:46] <gnomefreak> --- ubuntu-1.1.x~/configure.in~	1969-12-31 19:00:00.000000000 -0500
[10:46] <gnomefreak> +++ ubuntu-1.1.x/configure.in~
[10:46] <asac> shirish: well bzr is slow over http ... thats known
[10:46] <gnomefreak> that part
[10:47] <asac> gnomefreak: yes the 10000 lines after that need to be wiped from that patch
[10:47] <asac> gnomefreak: dpatch is a pain ... and i agree ... and this is one of the reasons i find dpatch insane
[10:47] <shirish> asac: I'm sure somebody must have put up a bug about it.
[10:47] <asac> shirish: well its well known ... don't bother
[10:48] <asac> shirish: there are no comments needed for these issues ... unless you can fix it of course :)
[10:48] <shirish> asac: I was just going to subscribe it, not add comments to anything :P
[10:48] <asac> shirish: ah
[10:48] <gnomefreak> 1000 lines my ass its more like 7000
[10:49] <Ubulette> bzr is slow for big projects too
[10:49] <asac> gnomefreak: read above ... i wrote 10k :)
[10:49] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:49] <asac> gnomefreak: thats just a guess from endless scrolling
[10:49] <asac> garbage
[10:49] <asac> :
[10:49] <asac> shirish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/ ... search for 'slow'
[10:49] <gnomefreak> start at diff -urNad ubuntu-1.1.x~/configure.in~ ubuntu-1.1.x/configure.in~?
[10:50] <asac> shirish: there should be a match :)
[10:50] <asac> gnomefreak: yes you don't want these files
[10:50] <asac> gnomefreak: just clean up the patch
[10:50] <asac> the only thing you want in there is just a tiny diff against configure.in
[10:50] <Ubulette> shirish, http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2007-01-26/vcs-migration-headaches/
[10:50] <shirish> asac: actually doing the same as we speak, we seem to have the same mind...somewhat.
[10:50] <asac> nothing more
[10:51] <gnomefreak> shit this is bad
[10:52] <asac> gnomefreak: its not that bad
[10:52] <gnomefreak> ok lets see what i can do
[10:52] <asac> uncommit two commits
[10:52] <gnomefreak> asac: i hav 3eto rebuild it
[10:52] <asac> gnomefreak: then clean up that patch
[10:52] <asac> no
[10:52] <gnomefreak> yes
[10:52] <gnomefreak> i dont have build-area
[10:52] <asac> the enter 99_configure patch edit shell
[10:52] <gnomefreak> since you said you would upload it i cleaned up
[10:52] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm ... you can stop the build after it unpacked
[10:52] <asac> then run ./debian/rules clean
[10:53] <asac> to be sure its clean
[10:53] <asac> the do what we are talking about
[10:57] <shirish> asac: dunno why but it seems to be too much of a pain of saying bzr pull http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main exaile rather than going to exaile sub-directory & just saying bzr up
[10:58] <asac> shirish: haha
[10:58] <asac> bzr up doesn't give you anything new
[10:58] <asac> so if you like to get stalled then use bzr up :)
[10:59] <shirish> bzr up had never failed me today, I always used bzr up for last 4-5 days & that seemed to work
[10:59] <shirish> asac: that should have been until today=today
[11:00] <shirish> bzr up had never failed me  until today, I always used bzr up for last 4-5 days & that seemed to work
[11:04] <gnomefreak> am i going to have to rerun bzr add 20_patch?
[11:05] <gnomefreak> after i uncommit the revision?
[11:06] <asac> gnomefreak: you can confirm whats going on by looking at bzr stat
[11:06] <gnomefreak> k
[11:06] <asac> if its added its marked as A otherwise as unknown
[11:11] <gnomefreak> k ill look as soon as i get a chance
[11:12] <asac> gnomefreak: we appear to have a auto reply guy on bug 60995 again
[11:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 60995 in firefox "The backspace key pages up instead of going back in history" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60995
[11:12] <asac> retrieved 5 bounces in my mailbox so far
[11:12] <gnomefreak> i havent gotten any :)
[11:12] <gnomefreak> but that should go to #launchpad
[11:12] <gnomefreak> they disablet hat crap
[11:13] <asac> hmm
[11:13] <asac> no idea if its not in the bug then the bounces got to me privately?
[11:13] <asac> already deleted them
[11:13] <asac> if i don't get more then lets not bother
[11:15] <gnomefreak> ii havent gotten any but i checked mail a little while ago for fisrt time since sat
[11:24] <shirish> Ubulette: that link of the blog you gave about mozilla cvs is really entertaining :)
[11:25] <Ubulette> indeed
[11:25] <Ubulette> i have more
[11:26] <shirish> please go right ahead
[11:26] <Ubulette> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/124
[11:26] <Ubulette> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/125
[11:27] <gnomefreak> oh no not more mark blogs
[11:28] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, don't like him ?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> oh no its not that
[11:29] <gnomefreak> i do like him but last blogs i read were the ones  about debian annd clsasroom stuff
[11:29] <Ubulette> shirish, http://versioncontrolblog.com/2007/06/24/mozilla-version-control-system-shootout-redux-redux/
[11:29] <shirish> lol, cooler
[11:29] <gnomefreak> and it caused alot of bad blogs after
[11:30] <Ubulette> well, i read him in rss, so i skip the comments
[11:33] <shirish> Ubulette: I found one of the comments quite interesting though , http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/124 in that what Thorsten Wilms says
[11:33] <shirish> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/124#comment-110955
[11:33] <shirish> to be more exact.
[11:33] <Ubulette> maybe but i read about 200 rss
[11:33] <Ubulette> so comments...
[11:34] <gnomefreak> asac: how close are you to other core devels?
[11:34] <Ubulette> btw, rss are from blogs and blogs are all interlaced
[11:34] <asac> gnomefreak: what do you mean with 'close' ?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> to suggest something for gutsy+1 and them accutally think about it
[11:36] <asac> gnomefreak: well if it makes sense ... ?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> asac: im thinking package-a install it and when installed send a configure options and basically a hello world app that says something like hello $nick and/or good by $nick (the $nick is enttered duringg config) doesnt have to be part of main install
[11:36] <asac> gnomefreak: i can certainly peek at opinions if its something i support ... and if there is enough positive feedback one can make a spec out of it et al
[11:37] <shirish> gnomefreak: I just hope that there is more discussion on the printing side of things, even now its pretty ugly.
[11:37] <gnomefreak> shirish: i cant do anything for a while im really sick
[11:37] <asac> gnomefreak: i somehow don't understand ;)
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: but i got idea while reading bug 1 comment
[11:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[11:38] <asac> gnomefreak: so you want a greeter?
[11:38] <gnomefreak> asac: at log in pc says hello $nick and on log out it says goodby $nick
[11:38] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah i think it would  be prretty cool
[11:38] <asac> does it have any use-cases except from being cool :)
[11:39] <gnomefreak> asac: it would  help marketing i guess
[11:39] <Ubulette> it's already possible with gdm themese
[11:39] <asac> gnomefreak: i still don't seem to understand
[11:39] <asac> gnomefreak: where should the "hello $nick" pop-up ?
[11:39] <asac> when?
[11:39] <gnomefreak> asac: it speaks
[11:39] <asac> it speaks?
[11:39] <gnomefreak> not text
[11:39] <Ubulette> oh
[11:39] <asac> hm
[11:39] <Ubulette> lol
[11:40] <Ubulette> crazy
[11:40] <gnomefreak> asac: as a default voice
[11:40] <asac> and where do you get all the spoken names from?
[11:40] <gnomefreak> crazy yes but that is what you get for me on drugs
[11:40] <asac> gnomefreak: i think you would need to add that to rosetta ;)
[11:40] <asac> which would be a crazy efford ... indeed :)
[11:40] <gnomefreak> asac: a config box upon install of package
[11:41] <asac> gnomefreak: i don't know how to technically make the computer speak any possible name in a decent fashion
[11:41] <asac> but Ubulette should know :)
[11:41] <gnomefreak> biggest issue would bee pronouncing names right
[11:41] <asac> indeed ;)
[11:41] <gnomefreak> but likee i said its a crazy thought but a thought
[11:42] <asac> yeah
[11:43] <asac> you can make a web 3.0 efford out of it ... a huge community where you can find people to produce your personal greeter ;)
[11:43] <gnomefreak> other fix would be config alllows you to pronouce it from mic but not everone has a mic
[11:44] <asac> yeah
[11:44] <asac> actually you can already do that :)
[11:44] <asac> you can just set the start and logout sound to whatever thing you want
[11:44] <Ubulette> try festival maybe
[11:44] <gnomefreak> i think we have something like it now but im not sure if it uses include greeters
[11:44] <asac> the problem is to get the data
[11:44] <gnomefreak> as good point
[11:46] <asac> s/revice/revive/
[11:46] <asac> gnomefreak: try festival
[11:46] <asac> no idea how it works
[11:46] <asac> ;)
[11:46] <Ubulette> asac, tried mozclient yet ?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> i can look at it
[11:47] <gnomefreak> but thought it was good idea (while on drugs)
[11:47] <gnomefreak> brb pain is starting to come back
[11:49] <Ubulette> hmm, annoying bug in ff trunk that i can't find on bugzilla
[11:49] <Ubulette> some pages are partially rendered, then completely rendered below that "aborted" rendering
[11:50] <Ubulette> a7 is fine, trunk is not
[11:51] <asac> Ubulette: i am sure that it works ... i am just not yet sure how we can improve it :)
[11:51] <Ubulette> ?
[11:51] <Ubulette> it = ?
[11:52] <asac> not like fix it ... but like make it do more
[11:52] <Ubulette> ???
[11:52] <asac> well as i said its not yet completely clear to me what i want ;) ... but let me try
[11:53] <shirish> 3:30 a.m. my side of the world hence
[11:53] <asac> maybe it helps me to understand what i want :)
[11:53] <asac> shirish: night
[11:53] <shirish> asac: Ubulette: night guys
[11:53] <Ubulette> shirish, night
[11:53] <Ubulette> lol
[11:54] <asac> Ubulette: first thing that pops into my mind is ... what is that?
[11:54] <asac> i mean its a standalone thing right?
[11:54] <Ubulette> what ?
[11:54] <Ubulette> what is that "it" you keep talking about ?
[11:55] <asac> mozclient?
[11:55] <Ubulette> oh
[11:55] <asac> i thought that this was the context :)
[11:55] <Ubulette> that's my branch with client.mk
[11:55] <asac> sorry
[11:56] <asac> ah now i think i know :)
[11:56] <Ubulette> modified to fetch nss, nspr, ff without xul
[11:56] <asac> so is it a demo of a patch you want to submit upstream?
[11:56] <asac> or is it ment for regular use?
[11:57] <asac> imo the patches for nss/nspr are clearly upstream patches
[11:57] <Ubulette> we could use that for sure but posting it, i'm not sure
[11:57] <asac> however xulrunner doesn't scale that well
[11:58] <asac> i mean it doesn't fix it for all mozilla applications, but just for browser
[11:58] <asac> better fix it for all and send it upstream
[11:58] <asac> the other aspect of that branch i see is the Makefile
[11:59] <asac> for Makefile i currently see the use case of patching
[11:59] <asac> client.mk before checkout
[11:59] <asac> right?
[12:00] <asac> and provide the checkout and orig tar up
[12:00] <asac> features
[12:01] <asac> s/xulrunner/xulbrowser/ ... sorry (10 lines above)
[12:02] <Ubulette> so what's your idea to make that scale ?
[12:02] <asac> (for the Makefile) my point is ... if there are long term use cases for this Makefile ... we certainly want a mozilla-SOMETHING.mk that we can package up and include in our rules file
[12:03] <asac> Ubulette: (about scale) i am not yet sure ... but certainly we don't want a new target for every application
[12:04] <asac> so make -f client.mk checkout MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser MOZ_CO_EXCLUDE=xulrunner|libxul
[12:04] <asac> instead of MOZ_CO_PROJECT=xulbrowser
[12:05] <asac> or the other way around: so make -f client.mk checkout MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser MOZ_CO_WITH=xulrunner
[12:05] <asac> and ... make -f client.mk checkout MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser
[12:05] <gnomefreak> i will finish xulrunner and iceape i might get to trunk either tonight or tomorrow
[12:05] <Ubulette> asac, they will not want that as it will break all existing scripts
[12:06] <asac> Ubulette: you mean variant 2? or at all?
[12:06] <Ubulette> 2
[12:06] <asac> ok
[12:06] <asac> yes ... thats right
[12:06] <asac> maybe for mozilla 2 :) ... if the default is the other way around
[12:06] <Ubulette> problem of the 1st one is that it's not that easy.
[12:07] <asac> i never said its easy ;) ... but its definitly worth the efford (if reasonably possible at all)
[12:07] <asac> and it shouldn't be that hard either
[12:07] <Ubulette> they said they'll move to hg for the next release
[12:07] <asac> ok
[12:08] <asac> Ubulette: why does xulbrowser need necko?
[12:08] <asac> toolkit?
[12:09] <Ubulette> makefile mess scanning dirs for nothing
[12:09] <Ubulette> but it's cryptic
[12:09] <asac> huh?
[12:09] <asac> you probably have to provide an equivalent patch for Makefile.in ?
[12:10] <Ubulette> well, i started with a minimal list of modules, and added the ones missing to make the current build system happy
[12:10] <Ubulette> but for 2 cases, i thing the build system is at fault
[12:11] <Ubulette> yet patching that was not trivial, and probably intrusive for win32 or mac
[12:11] <asac> tier_50_dirs    += toolkit/components/gnome
[12:12] <hjmf> night all
[12:12] <Ubulette> anyway, I'll keep my branch and add some targets to build our tarballs
[12:12] <asac> sure its certainly good to have
[12:13] <Ubulette> and maybe improve the build system a bit
[12:13] <asac> yes
[12:14] <gnomefreak> xulrunner better prove to work better than without it
[12:14] <gnomefreak> its already pissing me off
[12:15] <Ubulette> lol
[12:15] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, with it, the .dev branch of ff is much smaller
[12:16] <Ubulette> less sources, less patches, and it (ff) compiles in 1 minute
[12:16] <Ubulette> instead of 1 hour
[12:16] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:16] <Ubulette> but now it means maintaining xul
[12:17] <gnomefreak> that doesnt help with anything else other than building?
[12:17] <Ubulette> xul could be shared
[12:18] <gnomefreak> i was hoping for rendering but if its just source size it makes no sense its just another package to maintain
[12:18] <Ubulette> i'm trying to package songbird with our new xul but even without it, it doesn't build :P
[12:19] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: that could be a reason i havent tried it
[12:19] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:19] <gnomefreak> i have some moron cant find update-manager nad whats to upgrade to gutsy
[12:19] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, i hope it will be used by epiphany, totem, kazehakase, liferea
[12:19] <Ubulette> and more
[12:19] <Ubulette> (xul)
[12:20] <gnomefreak> we need to get ff off the depends list for alot of packages and use xul
[12:20] <Ubulette> yep, that's the idea
[12:20] <asac> memory footprint should be smaller ... if you run mutliple apps at once
[12:20] <gnomefreak> btw who wants to upgrae kazehakase to lates version for gutsy?
[12:21] <asac> gnomefreak: ping the guy who uploaded last version
[12:21] <asac> actually ... its one of the libxul rdepends right
[12:21] <asac> ?
[12:22] <asac> we should see if it can run against xulrunner 1.9
[12:22] <asac> because otherwise it blocks the way into gutsy for that
[12:22] <Ubulette> why ?
[12:23] <Ubulette> the new xul could live with the old one
[12:23] <asac> could != should
[12:23] <asac> ;)
[12:23] <Ubulette> maybe we should to xul-1.8 then
[12:23] <Ubulette> do
[12:23] <Ubulette> or 1.8.1
[12:23] <asac> maybe ... does it work?
[12:24] <Ubulette> it should
[12:24] <asac> point is ... how will people update xulrunner?
[12:24] <Ubulette> make install just does that
[12:24] <asac> never, but just through depends?
[12:24] <Ubulette> without the debian patches
[12:24] <asac> ok
[12:24] <asac> i think there will be more issues ;)
[12:24] <asac> but in general i agree
[12:24] <Ubulette> just a provide/replace should do
[12:25] <Ubulette> for 1.8 only, not 1.9
[12:25] <asac> hmm ... what behaviour would we achieve by that?
[12:25] <asac> or do you mean we want that when we abandon 1.8 ?
[12:26] <Ubulette> we could using 1.8 for ff2 (maybe)
[12:26] <asac> i think that won't work ... and definitly not for gutsy
[12:26] <Ubulette> of just provide 1.8 for users that depends on stable xul
[12:26] <asac> we cannot introduce such a huge change at this time of the release
[12:26] <asac> for such an important package
[12:27] <Ubulette> maybe not
[12:27] <asac> Ubulette: why do we want to provide an xulrunner-self-maintained-upgrade path at all?
[12:27] <asac> i mean its just enough if the rdepends upgrade there dependencies
[12:27] <asac> once we don't support 1.8 anymore there shouldn't be any depends anymore and thus removing the package from the archive will remove it from peoples disks on dist-upgrade
[12:28] <Ubulette> you sure ?
[12:28] <asac> sure about what?
[12:28] <Ubulette> dist upgrade will wipe that ?
[12:28] <Ubulette> I'm not
[12:28] <asac> hmmm ... not sure :) autoremove will
[12:28] <asac> if they never explicitly installed it
[12:29] <asac> Ubulette: but think i know that it does
[12:29] <Ubulette> autoremove is sometimes crazy, like when it wants to remove the kernel or libc
[12:29] <asac> in debian packages get removed from your disc when they are removed from the archive
[12:29] <asac> otherwise you couldn't remove packages
[12:30] <Ubulette> they are just marked as not installed, that's it
[12:30] <asac> but ... i am not really sure ... its just that i always that that's the case ... might be based on a quick read or something
[12:30] <Ubulette> they are just marked as not installable, that's it
[12:31] <asac> ok
[12:31] <asac> anyway ... i don't think its a problem
[12:32] <asac> if they never explicitly installed it ... it will be marked for autoremove
[12:32] <asac> if they installed it explicitly then let them keep it (on their own risk) until a depends becomes incompatible ;)
[12:33] <asac> anyway ... i am sure there are more than one exit-strategies ... which we can decide when we need to exit :)
[12:34] <gnomefreak> why the fuck isnt it saving my changes
[12:35] <gnomefreak> bzr merge: fix conflicts : bzr resolve : bzr push
[12:35] <gnomefreak> and i still get diverged
[12:35] <asac> gnomefreak: bzr commit
[12:36] <asac> not push
[12:36] <asac> push only after commit
[12:36] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:42] <gnomefreak> uploading xulrunner atm
[12:42] <gnomefreak> and pushing iceape
[12:43] <gnomefreak> asac: take iceape its al yours
[12:44] <asac> ok thanks
[12:44] <gnomefreak> anytime atleast should be there
[12:45] <asac> so you didn't uncommit?
[12:45] <gnomefreak> may look same but its not i got tired of thinking too hard
[12:45] <asac> what did you merge at the end?
[12:46] <asac> gnomefreak: you should have overwritten the branch
[12:46] <asac> because you uncommitted
[12:46] <asac> not merge
[12:46] <asac> you need to uncommit that merge
[12:46] <asac> and push again without it
[12:46] <asac> gnomefreak: it contains zero changes anyway :)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> no it doesnt
[12:47] <cwong1> asac: ping
[12:47] <gnomefreak> it better now
[12:47] <gnomefreak> not
[12:47] <asac> --overwrite is bad ... but for the sake to not have something that cluttered its ok to do that on your provide branches
[12:47] <gnomefreak> i uncommited and fixed everything
[12:47] <asac> gnomefreak: the last checkin has zero changes
[12:47] <asac> gnomefreak: yes the last checkin (the merge) was superfluous
[12:48] <asac> cwong1: whats up (i am on my way away) :)
[12:48] <cwong1> asac: Have you upload the latest browser to the gusty repo.?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> i didnt --overwrite
[12:48] <asac> yes
[12:48] <gnomefreak> last checking was changelog
[12:48] <gnomefreak> i didnt change the changelog as it wasnt needed
[12:48] <asac> cwong1: yes
[12:48] <asac> its build and all ... upgrade should bring it to you
[12:49] <asac> for me image creator created bogus things today ... all crashing
[12:49] <cwong1> asac: I did an upgrade and it didn't?
[12:49] <asac> so i couldn't verify how well it works
[12:49] <cwong1> s/?/
[12:49] <gnomefreak> changelog == no need for anyone to know i had to go back and fix it and i wasnt gonna bump version for this
[12:49] <cwong1> image-creator is messed up now
[12:49] <asac> yes
[12:49] <cwong1> asac: I will check later.
[12:49] <asac> but dist-upgrade messed up my image creator chroot as well
[12:50] <asac> (before i restarted with image-creator from scratch)
[12:50] <asac> so i think its a broken package
[12:50] <asac> cwong1: if you get it going let me know how well midbrowser works
[12:50] <cwong1> asac: ok  I will.  But u are saying that if I do an upgrade I should get the new one, right?
[12:51] <asac> cwong1: what package version do you have?
[12:51] <cwong1> asac: 1 sec
[12:51] <asac> cwong1: don't use any internal mirrors if you want the latest :)
[12:51] <asac> cwong1: it should be on all primary mirrors already
[12:51] <petal> hi! I just wanted to upgrade from thunderbird 1.5 to 2.0 and it has to remove the 1.5 install. I have several inboxes active, a full calendar by use of the Lightning-extension etc. and I'm afraid of losing all of that... Is there a way to re-import or something? Thanks!
[12:51] <asac> just in case you didn't get that upgrade
[12:51] <asac> :)
[12:51] <cwong1> asac: I don't trust my internal mirror
[12:51] <asac> yeah
[12:51] <asac> ;)
[12:51] <asac> good attitude
[12:51] <gnomefreak> mon^arh should be joinign here to ask in ff is still broekn
[12:52] <asac> gnomefreak: why?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> because the comment is ff still broken none can help him with so maybe he can give you better insite
[12:52] <asac> petal: backup your .mozilla-thunderbird directory (to be safe) ... but in general package upgrades should not remove your data
[12:53] <asac> (if you use thunderbird binaries directly downloaded from mozilla.org its no .mozilla-thunderbird but just .thunderbird
[12:53] <asac> petal: both directories are in your $HOME directory
[12:54] <petal> asac: Thank you! Will Thunderbird use .mozilla-thunderbird if I upgrade via Synaptic and automatically recognize the already present data?
[12:54] <asac> the idea is that it should .. but keeping backups is good ... just in case
[12:54] <gnomefreak> asac:  mon^rch > i could not get the preferences dialog to open to
[12:54] <gnomefreak>                           change settings and the delicious extension wasnt
[12:54] <gnomefreak>                           working
[12:55] <asac> he should run in -safe-mode
[12:55] <gnomefreak> me thinks its the extension
[12:55] <asac> if it fixes it ... then remove delicious extension
[12:55] <gnomefreak> thats what i just told him to do
[12:56] <asac> so is delicious extension completely broken?
[12:56] <cwong1> asac: what version number should I see?
[12:56] <asac> if you can verify it ... we should add it to our future extension blacklist
[12:56] <asac> cwong1: latest
[12:56] <gnomefreak> i dont know hes not answering me
[12:56] <cwong1> asac: the actual version number is?
[12:57] <asac> cwong1: if you tell me what oyu ahve i can say yes or now
[12:57] <asac> no.
[12:57] <asac> :)
[12:57] <cwong1> :)
[12:57] <asac> the package is 0.1.6b-0ubuntu1
[12:57] <asac> cwong1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/midbrowser
[12:57] <asac> there you can always track the packages ... where they are build ... where they failed et al
[12:58] <cwong1> k
[12:58] <gnomefreak> mon^rch > gnomefreak: it works without the extension, but I  cannot open the preferences dialog still and hey... I  wanna use that extension!
[12:59] <gnomefreak> think it has some laying around shit
[12:59] <asac> no idea
[12:59] <gnomefreak> i told him to remove it not run safemode :(
[12:59] <asac> are preferences broken in -safe-mode?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> mon^rch: can you run ff is safemode
[01:01] <gnomefreak> -safe-mode even
[01:01] <mon^rch> yes
[01:02] <mon^rch> but I want to use my delicious bookmarks ... i'm sorry but its indispenseable
[01:02] <gnomefreak> asac: you got this i need to go laydown pain is back at full force
[01:03] <gnomefreak> mon^rch: its also not ubuntu extension
[01:04] <asac> gnomefreak: yes lay down
[01:04] <asac> gnomefreak: now he is gone
[01:04] <Ubulette> lol
[01:04] <gnomefreak> im gone
[01:04] <asac> probably troll'ish
[01:04] <asac> gnomefreak: if you have time ... maybe you can test how bad that extension is
[01:05] <asac> not today
[01:05] <asac> at some point
[01:05] <asac> :)
[01:05] <asac> or remind me to test it
[01:06] <Ubulette> you should have a todo list on the m-t wiki
[01:06] <petal> asac: Ok, I upgraded and everything went smoothly! Thanks so much for your help! Good to be on TB2! ;)
[01:06] <asac> Ubulette: yeah thats a fantastic idea
[01:06] <asac> Ubulette: i even think there is such a page
[01:06] <asac> petal: yeah
[01:06] <asac> petal: have fun
[01:07] <Ubulette> asac, btw, can i edit the wiki too ?
[01:07] <asac> Ubulette: why not?
[01:07] <petal> asac: thanks!
[01:07] <asac> Ubulette: go ahead
[01:07] <Ubulette> donno, never tried
[01:07] <asac> Ubulette: if you want to do some radical changes just give me a short prenotice ;)
[01:07] <Ubulette> nothing of that sort
[01:07] <asac> Ubulette: you need an account on wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:07] <asac> but its just a sign up button
[01:07] <asac> nothing more
[01:08] <asac> and it will remember your cookie forever (well at least for a very long time)
[01:08] <asac> like launchpad
[01:08] <Ubulette> ok, i'll have a look
[01:08] <Ubulette> btw2, how can i have an irc cloak here ?
[01:08] <asac> Ubulette: i think dfarning started such a todo ... or work list
[01:09] <asac> Ubulette: welll ... ubuntu members can get one for free
[01:09] <asac> so you would need to become an ubuntu member first
[01:09] <asac> otherwise you need to sponsor freenode some monetary money ... that would be unaffeliated cloak
[01:10] <Ubulette> hmm, freenode is not free
[01:10] <asac> the cloaks are not
[01:10] <asac> they are for contributors of freesoftware projects though
[01:10] <asac> e.g. like debian/developer, mozilla/developer, ubuntu/member ... whatever
[01:11] <asac> i think come companies have cloaks as well ... but they probably donated a bunch to get a card blanche
[01:11] <asac> s/come/some/
[01:11] <asac> Ubulette: no idea if i support that approach
[01:11] <Ubulette> all that seems not worth the effort
[01:12] <asac> well its not ment as an incintive :)
[01:12] <asac> to get involved in open-source projects
[01:12] <Ubulette> i don't believe in that kind of practice
[01:13] <asac> what kind?
[01:13] <Ubulette> money for a line of conf
[01:13] <cwong1> asac: apt-get upgrade did pull down the latest but it failed to start.  I am looking into it now.  :(