=== Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@84.13.126.88] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.16.25] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [06:54] Ubulette: you up m8? [07:16] anybody else up? [07:29] Admiral_Chicago: thanks [07:29] hjmf: is crux a standard theme (e.g. do we provide that by default?) [07:30] asac: yes iirc [07:31] asac: gtk2-engines and gtk2-engines-ubnutulooks are installed by default === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.16.25] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam [] [07:35] the themes that come with gtk2-engines are: libclearlooks.so libcrux-engine.so libglide.so libhcengine.so libindustrial.so libluaengine.so libmist.so libredmond95.so libsmooth.so libthinice.so [07:35] asac: ^^^ [11:14] hjmf: thanks [11:15] hjmf: can you add the gtk2-engines package as a target to that bug and let me know? [11:15] i will then bug seb about it === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.16.25] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [11:47] asac: you up m8? [11:47] not really up ... but at least flat :) [11:47] lol :P [11:48] asac: Is Ubulette keeping gnash too in repository or know anybody who's doing that also? [11:48] i don't think so [11:48] i update gnash in official archives from time to time [11:49] asac: oh ok, for I saw gnash got to rc3 just a few days back. [11:49] 0.8.1 ? [11:49] ok thanks for the info [11:50] i will talk to them if its worth another release [11:50] but i hoped to have it final already :) [11:50] 2007-08-29 0.8.1 [11:50] http://www.gnashdev.org/?q=node/42 [11:52] asac: it would be nice to see the new version in ;) [11:53] yes ... i will figure out ... if they plan to release final tomorrow or so then i will just wait :) [11:53] but i doubt that it brings any significant improvements over what we currently have in gutsy [11:54] asac: I know what you mean, but who knows, for times when I'm on some sites with gnash, it just freezes, nothing happens :( [11:55] if you can reproduce it by just starting gnash URL.swf ... then let me know [11:55] upstream certainly wants more of those cases posted [11:57] asac: that way... ok. will try. For right now, I do know that for e.g. in facebook it sometimes freezes and I get some error. [11:57] asac: something about threads not cleaned up or something like that. [11:57] hmm [11:58] well reproducing in standalone gnash player is better to nail down the problem [11:58] asac: ok will try that, here's an excerpt of what happened yesterday, also day before that. [11:58] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36078/ [11:59] shirish: but other flash things work for you? like youtube? [11:59] asac: some flash movies work on youtube, some don't, 40-60 perhaps. [12:00] asac: i.e. 40% working-60% not working something like that. [12:00] strange [12:01] but might be true ... what do you see in log for those that don't work? [12:01] (e.g. on console) [12:01] asac: haven't really seen, would look & report back, where do you think the testcases should go? [12:02] asac: sorry I meant logs about movies which don't work, where they should go? [12:02] to a bug report ... if its reproducible [12:02] then we can forward upstream [12:02] shirish: start ffox from console [12:02] asac: ok will do ;) [12:02] then you will see the gnash output on console [12:03] asac: I always do that ;) whether ff, ff-gp or ff-tr ;) [12:03] good [12:03] then you should be well prepared ;) [12:03] asac: maybe you can help [12:04] me? [12:04] on what? [12:04] asac: I'm looking for one of those price comparator addons/scripts on greasemonkey, any recommendations or ideas? [12:04] no ... i am really a user with little need for extra/addons et al [12:04] asac: or even just addons for ff which do price comparisions between some sites [12:04] no idea ... sorry [12:05] asac: ok understood, any idea who would be the guy to know stuff like this? [12:05] i think i only have ubufox extension installed :) [12:05] no idea ... maybe on mozillazine forums [12:05] at least they should point you to the right forum if its off-topic there [12:07] asac: does the mozillazine forums follow the https:// protocol? [12:07] you really ask too much :) [12:08] i would have to try to know :) [12:08] http://forums.mozillazine.org/ [12:08] its just http [12:08] asac: isn't that a pity :( [12:08] maybe they use it for login [12:08] otherwise ... its not really sensible data on there [12:09] so ... i have no hard opinion on it [12:09] asac: negative, they don't use it for login also [12:09] yeha ... i have no problem with it [12:09] just pick a trivial password :) [12:10] like "trivialpass" :) [12:11] lol, that's a good one ;) [12:15] or "snifferscomein" [12:15] snifferswelcome [12:17] asac: when you update a password, does it remember that it has been updated? It does though ask to remember. [12:19] why don't you just try ... iirc it should ask you to remember [12:20] asac: I just tried, it makes another one, this is not good :( [12:20] what do you mean? [12:20] if you use a new login id you will have two afterwards [12:21] when you use the same login id but change password it should overwrite from what i can tell [12:23] doesn't matter really, I just resolved it, I removed both stuff & did it right. [12:23] ok ;) [12:24] i am happy when you are happy :-D [12:24] :) [12:25] at least until someone else gets unhappy :-P [12:39] asac: than [12:39] oops [12:39] I just wanted to say thank you for your efforts === shirish out, seista time === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.16.25] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam [] === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@84.13.126.88] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [05:06] hjmf: can you add the gtk2-engines package as a target to that bug and let me know? [05:06] asac: done :) [05:07] bug #129007 and bug #133277 (which can be tag as dup of the former IMHO) [05:07] Launchpad bug 129007 in firefox "MASTER firefox-bin crashed with crux theme [@moz_gtk_widget_paint] at #10" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129007 [05:07] Launchpad bug 133277 in gtk2-engines "[GUTSY] firefox crashed [@moz_gtk_widget_paint at #6] [@nsNativeThemeGTK::DrawWidgetBackground] " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133277 [05:09] hjmf: thanks [05:11] hjmf: did we ever get a success full auto-dupe from retracers? [05:15] asac: yes, but just only in a couple of cases in thunderbird, since always either at ff and tb we get the apport-failed-retrace [05:15] so there the autodupe does nothing [05:15] asac: do you know why we cannot get good coredumps and why the users when they retrace with firefox -g they get good retraces? [05:17] hmm [05:17] are the retraces really bad? [05:18] or maybe its just that they contain a ?? and thus apport marks them as failed? [05:18] from the coredumps almost always are bad, ether from autoretrace and from myself [05:19] eg bug #136869 [05:19] Bug 136869 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/136869 is private [05:19] like that one, almost all of them. [05:19] I cannot get a better retrace myself [05:21] but some others (the minority) are OK, like bug #136747 [05:21] Bug 136747 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/136747 is private [05:29] hjmf: ok cool we have a fix :) [05:30] for this drawing crashes [05:31] asac: great [05:31] it will be a patch for firefox or the fix comes from gtk2-engines package [05:31] ? [05:39] firefox [05:40] please close the gtk-engine tasks ;) [05:40] sorry [05:40] asac: ok :) [05:45] done [05:50] hjmf: mozilla bug 394876 [05:50] Mozilla bug 394876 in GFX: Gtk "moz_gtk_option_menu_get_metrics is incorrectly freeing border" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394876 [05:50] all drawing crashers are probably related to that [05:56] cool I've seen your patch there, adding the upstream link to our master === cwong1 [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-0f95fb95499ff20b] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [07:08] hi [07:09] what's new here ? [07:11] asac, mozclient ? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [07:59] Ubulette: xulrunner failed to build [07:59] oh ? [07:59] broken pipe === gnomefreak on too many drugs to think atm [07:59] ill pastein error [08:00] http://pastebin.mozilla.org/193566 [08:00] if you need more of error please let me know [08:00] looks like the nsinstall issue [08:00] what branch did you use ? [08:01] did you update nss nspr lately? [08:01] it's not related [08:02] i've patched nsinstall.c a while ago but it has been integrated upstream [08:02] https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/nss/nss.ubuntu.trunk [08:02] so the patch is still in .trunk but no longer in .dev [08:03] i was told to use trunk for gutsy and gp for feisty [08:03] no, that's nss. which xul ? [08:03] oh give me a sec [08:04] https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.dev [08:04] bingo [08:04] use .trunk [08:04] thats the only one we have for mozilla team [08:04] unless you dled the proper tarball [08:05] there is no other xulrunner even on your branches [08:05] https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.trunk [08:05] where is this one at? [08:05] same place [08:05] https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/ [08:05] hmmmm why did it list it [08:06] hmmmmmm [08:06] ok ill run that one [08:06] ok ill let you know give me a few hours to build bins [08:06] sure [08:07] xulrunner-1.9_1.9~a8~cvs20070829.orig.tar.gz [08:07] btw, i've trimmed orig.tgz for ff-trunk [08:07] that is right tarball right? [08:07] hmm, hold on [08:07] there were only 2 that was latest i saw [08:09] hmm strange. [08:09] is that the right tarball? [08:09] thought is as 0824. let me check [08:09] was [08:10] asac: can you set up the PPA feisty repo on our testing page since its pretty much done for now [08:10] Ubulette: i do seee a 24 [08:11] i see a 24 a 28 and that the 1.8... [08:12] Ubulette: can you give me a minute im gonna restart see if it fixes this mounting file systems as external driver [08:12] drive [08:12] mozilla bug 392722 [08:12] Mozilla bug 392722 in Build Config "nsinstall chokes on double slashes in path" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392722 === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:16] gnomefreak, use http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tarballs/xulrunner-1.9_1.9~a8~cvs20070829.orig.tar.gz [08:16] and .trunk [08:16] that was the one wasnt it [08:16] basically, never build ppa with .deb branches [08:16] .dev [08:16] xulrunner-1.9_1.9~a8~cvs20070829.orig.tar.gz [08:16] yep [08:16] ok cool [08:16] oh ty ill try it [08:17] have to build .debs :( [08:18] hjmf: congrats on membership sorry i couldnt be there === Ubulette_ [n=Ubulette@APuteaux-153-1-91-89.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:19] Ubulette: ty ill le tyou know what happens [08:20] k [08:20] (stupid daily disconnection) [08:22] gnomefreak: yes will add the repo [08:22] ty === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@84.13.126.88] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [08:30] ok its started im going back to drink lunch and laydown [08:32] gnomefreak: thank you. I really hope you are OK :) [08:32] hjmf: ill live ;) [08:33] :) [08:33] once pain goes away ill be back to as close to normal as possible === Ubulette_ is now known as Ubulette === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [09:33] asac ? === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.55.184] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [09:44] hi all ;) [09:44] hi [09:45] Ubulette: got your reply, thanx :) [09:45] shirish, you'd really should consider lurking here, it would be easier to see your questions and answer them [09:47] Ubulette: the problem is, my comp. is shared by my mum & me, and she is the solitaire type, just plays solitaire. [09:47] hence when she is around, then pidgin is closed, also electricity is pretty much uncertain. [09:47] oh, ok [09:48] Ubulette: the question about pidgin was in my heart/head for quite sometime now [09:50] Ubulette: so now you know, hence if I just seem to goof of for no apparent reason or not responding, there is a big possibility that electricity might have gone off or is very low hence its gets switched off automatically. [09:50] i see. no problem [09:50] Ubulette: btw are you a big addons-user or like asac none at all? [09:51] i was with ff2 [09:51] ff3 is as you know poor regarding addons compat [09:52] Ubulette: did you use greasemonkey in your add-ons journey? [09:52] nope [09:55] shirish, did you try today's ff3 ? [09:55] i think I fixed your ca certificates issue [09:56] Ubulette: ok cool, lemme try it then & report back [10:04] Ubulette: ok its downloading 27 MiB or thereabouts (with a few dbgsym packages involved) [10:04] oh drats, there are other packages too, apart from ff3 also [10:05] not sure but it seems the dbgsym are broken (too small) [10:06] Ubulette: that's what I had been noticing from few days, thought I should ask you but then thought better of not to ask. [10:06] Ubulette: they're supposed to be bigger than the files aren't they? [10:08] for xul, yes. for the new ff3, i don't really know yet [10:10] Ubulette: ok the xulrunner -dbgsym file is 7132 bytes as opposed to the file itself which is 8151 KiloBytes which are poles apart. [10:11] yep [10:11] i'll check that another time [10:11] Ubulette: ok as far as you know that's good enough, I'm sure one of these days you'll try to see what can be done about that :) [10:12] Ubulette: as it is without a kernel or gdb or whatever is broken is not fixed. the dbgsym packages are useless, we just make sure we have them when they do get fixed. [10:14] uh oh, have to logout, pidgin-libnotify is also getting upgraded, bb in a while. === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.55.184] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam [] [10:17] asac: seems that iceape buildd failed for lpia by looking at build logs the 99_configure and the 20_gcc g++ patches were never applied during build. here is the log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9111562/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.iceape_1.1.4-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz i could swear i added them to branch with bzr add. i cant look into this (i will have to wait till i can think better this oxycodon is really making me weird. i [10:18] applying patch 99_configure to ./ ... ok. [10:19] ah yes so its just the 20_bleh patch [10:19] sorry over looked it [10:20] yep, no 20_ [10:20] hmmmmmmm [10:20] let me try something [10:22] asac: did you pull from my personal branch or from mozillateam [10:22] im pulling my branch to make sure i added it === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.55.184] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === shirish back [10:23] just for a while though ;) [10:23] damn, songbird build system is really ugly :( [10:23] Ubulette: damn, that was gonna be my next question :P [10:24] Ubulette: in email i got notice about nss being changed from testing to current version was the version changed? [10:24] nss 3.11.7-1 [10:24] hm, no reason that i know [10:25] should be 3.12.0+cvs20070903t1011+bbot-3 [10:26] Ubulette: till now, it seems good, the ca certificates issue seems to have been resolved , if you did that, then you should patch it upstream also, if that needs patching up. [10:27] no, upstream is fine as they bundle nss within both xul and ff [10:28] I think i'm gonna drop exaile for good from my bot [10:28] svn: Can't connect to host 'exaile.org': Connection refused [10:28] everyday [10:28] Ubulette: that's because they have moved everything to launchpad [10:28] really ? [10:28] Ubulette: yup really [10:28] url ? [10:28] Ubulette: I bzr up everyday [10:29] Ubulette: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main/ [10:29] gnomefreak: its 20_ missing and apparently also the appropriate refresh of 99_configure [10:29] so in short ... everything ;) [10:30] that's what bzr info gives me for exaile but for branch. [10:30] im pulling branch to see wha tit is but i ran autoconf2.13 after adding patch [10:30] shirish: i think bzr up is not the same as bzr pull [10:30] Ubulette: that's what bzr. info gives me for exaile, but for co of branch dunno about trunk though. [10:30] asac: it isn't? [10:31] gnomefreak: well but you have to update the 99_configure patch after running autoconf2.13 [10:31] e.g. the changes from autoconf2.13 have to be in 99_configure [10:31] shirish: i don't think it is [10:31] shirish: always use pull if you want to get the latest from remote repository [10:31] i thought autoconf2.13 would update the patch since i was dpatched into the patch [10:31] asac: oh oh [10:31] gnomefreak: ok yes then it should [10:32] shirish: compare bzr help up .... bzr help pull [10:32] it told me it updated it when i was done [10:32] there is obviously a different [10:32] gnomefreak: yes ... but if you forgot to apply 20_ ... the autoconf2.13 didn't bring anything new [10:32] so your procedure to update 99_configure was right [10:32] :) [10:32] but you you didn't have 20_ ... applied :) [10:32] its in branch [10:33] on shit [10:33] gnomefreak: is it in 00list as well? [10:33] 20_force-no-pragma-visibility-for-gcc-4.2_4.3.dpatch [10:33] ill look [10:33] asac: what does M stand for? [10:33] asac: I mean as http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36370/ [10:34] asac: yes it is 20_force-no-pragma-visibility-for-gcc-4.2_4.3 [10:34] everything should be fine [10:34] ok [10:34] then it might have been my fault [10:34] asac: you grabbed from my personal branch right? [10:35] shirish: that you just retried changes [10:35] i never updated MT branch [10:35] :) [10:35] asac: what does it mean retried changes? [10:35] shirish: so before you probably didn't retrieve any updates from remote repository [10:35] retrieved [10:35] sorry [10:36] gnomefreak: which version did i upload? [10:36] 1.1.4 [10:37] well ... thats clear ... i mean from which branch? [10:37] 1.1.4-1ubuntu1 [10:37] same version in MT branch but missing all the other changes [10:38] for mt its # [10:38] for mt its By Alexander Sack on 2007-08-16 [10:38] merge from debian as of 1.1.4-1 unstable release [10:38] # [10:38] By John Vivirito on 2007-08-30 [10:38] * debian/changelog: Updated for iceape 1.1.4-1ubuntu2, fixed lpia [10:38] build for gutsy. [10:38] is the lates from mine [10:38] gnomefreak: i think i never uploaded the gcc changes [10:38] i uploaded ubunt1 [10:38] ah that may be why [10:38] so either i forgot or you never asked me to :) [10:39] i just asked you to upload it sorry [10:39] ok let me see [10:39] gnomefreak: i guess i didn't upload though, right? [10:40] hold on let me see filure date [10:40] Queued: 2007-08-18 [10:40] yeah you didnt upload by the looks of it [10:40] 2007-08-19 [10:40] yes [10:40] ok [10:40] pulling === gnomefreak wonders why im still getting emails on it do they keep trying after a certain time? [10:42] gnomefreak: look at bzr diff -r 87..88 [10:42] in your branch [10:42] its a mess [10:42] there is something completely wrong with it [10:43] asac: doing it again, so each time going in the exaile directory, I should do bzr pull instead of bzr up? [10:43] gnomefreak: first you added a complete +--- ubuntu-1.1.x~/configure.in~ file [10:43] (HUGE) [10:43] (NOT NEEDED) [10:43] huh? [10:44] gnomefreak: remember that you must be sure that you don't have any backup files lying around when exiting the dpatch shell [10:44] otherwise those will just be added [10:44] you can strip that file from the 20_... patch manually [10:44] 2nd: even though 20_ does the right thing for configure.in ... 99_configure is not updated [10:44] in that checkin [10:45] well its updated ... but with something completely unrelated [10:45] gnomefreak: my advise: remove the configure.in~ patch from the 20_... patch manually [10:45] then uncommit the last to checkins [10:45] last two checkins [10:46] asac: bzr doesn't seem to be consistent with bandwidth as far as checking out is concerned, anybody else noticed that? [10:46] gnomefreak: then rerun autoconf2.13 update in dpatch shell [10:46] done [10:46] gnomefreak: verify with bzr diff debian/patches/99_* [10:46] if the modification to 99_confiugre really contain what they should [10:46] --- ubuntu-1.1.x~/configure.in~ 1969-12-31 19:00:00.000000000 -0500 [10:46] +++ ubuntu-1.1.x/configure.in~ [10:46] shirish: well bzr is slow over http ... thats known [10:46] that part [10:47] gnomefreak: yes the 10000 lines after that need to be wiped from that patch [10:47] gnomefreak: dpatch is a pain ... and i agree ... and this is one of the reasons i find dpatch insane [10:47] asac: I'm sure somebody must have put up a bug about it. [10:47] shirish: well its well known ... don't bother [10:48] shirish: there are no comments needed for these issues ... unless you can fix it of course :) [10:48] asac: I was just going to subscribe it, not add comments to anything :P [10:48] shirish: ah [10:48] 1000 lines my ass its more like 7000 [10:49] bzr is slow for big projects too [10:49] gnomefreak: read above ... i wrote 10k :) [10:49] ah [10:49] gnomefreak: thats just a guess from endless scrolling [10:49] garbage [10:49] : [10:49] shirish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/ ... search for 'slow' [10:49] start at diff -urNad ubuntu-1.1.x~/configure.in~ ubuntu-1.1.x/configure.in~? [10:50] shirish: there should be a match :) [10:50] gnomefreak: yes you don't want these files [10:50] gnomefreak: just clean up the patch [10:50] the only thing you want in there is just a tiny diff against configure.in [10:50] shirish, http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2007-01-26/vcs-migration-headaches/ [10:50] asac: actually doing the same as we speak, we seem to have the same mind...somewhat. [10:50] nothing more [10:51] shit this is bad [10:52] gnomefreak: its not that bad [10:52] ok lets see what i can do [10:52] uncommit two commits [10:52] asac: i hav 3eto rebuild it [10:52] gnomefreak: then clean up that patch [10:52] no [10:52] yes [10:52] i dont have build-area [10:52] the enter 99_configure patch edit shell [10:52] since you said you would upload it i cleaned up [10:52] gnomefreak: hmm ... you can stop the build after it unpacked [10:52] then run ./debian/rules clean [10:53] to be sure its clean [10:53] the do what we are talking about [10:57] asac: dunno why but it seems to be too much of a pain of saying bzr pull http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main exaile rather than going to exaile sub-directory & just saying bzr up [10:58] shirish: haha [10:58] bzr up doesn't give you anything new [10:58] so if you like to get stalled then use bzr up :) [10:59] bzr up had never failed me today, I always used bzr up for last 4-5 days & that seemed to work [10:59] asac: that should have been until today=today [11:00] bzr up had never failed me until today, I always used bzr up for last 4-5 days & that seemed to work [11:04] am i going to have to rerun bzr add 20_patch? [11:05] after i uncommit the revision? [11:06] gnomefreak: you can confirm whats going on by looking at bzr stat [11:06] k [11:06] if its added its marked as A otherwise as unknown [11:11] k ill look as soon as i get a chance [11:12] gnomefreak: we appear to have a auto reply guy on bug 60995 again [11:12] Launchpad bug 60995 in firefox "The backspace key pages up instead of going back in history" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60995 [11:12] retrieved 5 bounces in my mailbox so far [11:12] i havent gotten any :) [11:12] but that should go to #launchpad [11:12] they disablet hat crap [11:13] hmm [11:13] no idea if its not in the bug then the bounces got to me privately? [11:13] already deleted them [11:13] if i don't get more then lets not bother [11:15] ii havent gotten any but i checked mail a little while ago for fisrt time since sat [11:24] Ubulette: that link of the blog you gave about mozilla cvs is really entertaining :) [11:25] indeed [11:25] i have more [11:26] please go right ahead [11:26] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/124 [11:26] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/125 [11:27] oh no not more mark blogs === shirish thinks Ubulette is also a sucker like shirish for knowing what this version control is all about :P [11:28] gnomefreak, don't like him ? [11:28] oh no its not that [11:29] i do like him but last blogs i read were the ones about debian annd clsasroom stuff [11:29] shirish, http://versioncontrolblog.com/2007/06/24/mozilla-version-control-system-shootout-redux-redux/ [11:29] lol, cooler [11:29] and it caused alot of bad blogs after [11:30] well, i read him in rss, so i skip the comments [11:33] Ubulette: I found one of the comments quite interesting though , http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/124 in that what Thorsten Wilms says [11:33] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/124#comment-110955 [11:33] to be more exact. [11:33] maybe but i read about 200 rss [11:33] so comments... [11:34] asac: how close are you to other core devels? [11:34] btw, rss are from blogs and blogs are all interlaced === gnomefreak has a disterbing idea that would be cool ;) [11:34] gnomefreak: what do you mean with 'close' ? [11:35] to suggest something for gutsy+1 and them accutally think about it [11:36] gnomefreak: well if it makes sense ... ? [11:36] asac: im thinking package-a install it and when installed send a configure options and basically a hello world app that says something like hello $nick and/or good by $nick (the $nick is enttered duringg config) doesnt have to be part of main install [11:36] gnomefreak: i can certainly peek at opinions if its something i support ... and if there is enough positive feedback one can make a spec out of it et al [11:37] gnomefreak: I just hope that there is more discussion on the printing side of things, even now its pretty ugly. [11:37] shirish: i cant do anything for a while im really sick [11:37] gnomefreak: i somehow don't understand ;) [11:37] asac: but i got idea while reading bug 1 comment [11:37] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [11:38] gnomefreak: so you want a greeter? [11:38] asac: at log in pc says hello $nick and on log out it says goodby $nick [11:38] asac: yeah i think it would be prretty cool [11:38] does it have any use-cases except from being cool :) [11:39] asac: it would help marketing i guess [11:39] it's already possible with gdm themese [11:39] gnomefreak: i still don't seem to understand [11:39] gnomefreak: where should the "hello $nick" pop-up ? [11:39] when? [11:39] asac: it speaks [11:39] it speaks? [11:39] not text [11:39] oh [11:39] hm [11:39] lol [11:40] crazy [11:40] asac: as a default voice [11:40] and where do you get all the spoken names from? [11:40] crazy yes but that is what you get for me on drugs [11:40] gnomefreak: i think you would need to add that to rosetta ;) [11:40] which would be a crazy efford ... indeed :) [11:40] asac: a config box upon install of package [11:41] gnomefreak: i don't know how to technically make the computer speak any possible name in a decent fashion [11:41] but Ubulette should know :) [11:41] biggest issue would bee pronouncing names right [11:41] indeed ;) [11:41] but likee i said its a crazy thought but a thought [11:42] yeah [11:43] you can make a web 3.0 efford out of it ... a huge community where you can find people to produce your personal greeter ;) [11:43] other fix would be config alllows you to pronouce it from mic but not everone has a mic [11:44] yeah [11:44] actually you can already do that :) [11:44] you can just set the start and logout sound to whatever thing you want [11:44] try festival maybe [11:44] i think we have something like it now but im not sure if it uses include greeters [11:44] the problem is to get the data [11:44] as good point === gnomefreak might givve that a shot but that wont happen til gutsy is stable === asac starts to revice his scheme-fu [11:46] s/revice/revive/ [11:46] gnomefreak: try festival [11:46] no idea how it works [11:46] ;) [11:46] asac, tried mozclient yet ? [11:46] i can look at it [11:47] but thought it was good idea (while on drugs) [11:47] brb pain is starting to come back [11:49] hmm, annoying bug in ff trunk that i can't find on bugzilla [11:49] some pages are partially rendered, then completely rendered below that "aborted" rendering [11:50] a7 is fine, trunk is not [11:51] Ubulette: i am sure that it works ... i am just not yet sure how we can improve it :) [11:51] ? [11:51] it = ? [11:52] not like fix it ... but like make it do more [11:52] ??? [11:52] well as i said its not yet completely clear to me what i want ;) ... but let me try [11:53] 3:30 a.m. my side of the world hence === shirish out [11:53] maybe it helps me to understand what i want :) [11:53] shirish: night === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.55.184] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam [] === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.55.184] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [11:53] asac: Ubulette: night guys === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.55.184] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam [] [11:53] shirish, night [11:53] lol [11:54] Ubulette: first thing that pops into my mind is ... what is that? [11:54] i mean its a standalone thing right? [11:54] what ? [11:54] what is that "it" you keep talking about ? [11:55] mozclient? [11:55] oh [11:55] i thought that this was the context :) [11:55] that's my branch with client.mk [11:55] sorry [11:56] ah now i think i know :) [11:56] modified to fetch nss, nspr, ff without xul [11:56] so is it a demo of a patch you want to submit upstream? [11:56] or is it ment for regular use? [11:57] imo the patches for nss/nspr are clearly upstream patches [11:57] we could use that for sure but posting it, i'm not sure [11:57] however xulrunner doesn't scale that well [11:58] i mean it doesn't fix it for all mozilla applications, but just for browser [11:58] better fix it for all and send it upstream [11:58] the other aspect of that branch i see is the Makefile [11:59] for Makefile i currently see the use case of patching [11:59] client.mk before checkout [11:59] right? [12:00] and provide the checkout and orig tar up [12:00] features [12:01] s/xulrunner/xulbrowser/ ... sorry (10 lines above) [12:02] so what's your idea to make that scale ? [12:02] (for the Makefile) my point is ... if there are long term use cases for this Makefile ... we certainly want a mozilla-SOMETHING.mk that we can package up and include in our rules file [12:03] Ubulette: (about scale) i am not yet sure ... but certainly we don't want a new target for every application [12:04] so make -f client.mk checkout MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser MOZ_CO_EXCLUDE=xulrunner|libxul [12:04] instead of MOZ_CO_PROJECT=xulbrowser [12:05] or the other way around: so make -f client.mk checkout MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser MOZ_CO_WITH=xulrunner [12:05] and ... make -f client.mk checkout MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser [12:05] i will finish xulrunner and iceape i might get to trunk either tonight or tomorrow [12:05] asac, they will not want that as it will break all existing scripts [12:06] Ubulette: you mean variant 2? or at all? [12:06] 2 [12:06] ok [12:06] yes ... thats right [12:06] maybe for mozilla 2 :) ... if the default is the other way around [12:06] problem of the 1st one is that it's not that easy. [12:07] i never said its easy ;) ... but its definitly worth the efford (if reasonably possible at all) [12:07] and it shouldn't be that hard either [12:07] they said they'll move to hg for the next release [12:07] ok [12:08] Ubulette: why does xulbrowser need necko? [12:08] toolkit? [12:09] makefile mess scanning dirs for nothing [12:09] but it's cryptic [12:09] huh? [12:09] you probably have to provide an equivalent patch for Makefile.in ? [12:10] well, i started with a minimal list of modules, and added the ones missing to make the current build system happy [12:10] but for 2 cases, i thing the build system is at fault [12:11] yet patching that was not trivial, and probably intrusive for win32 or mac [12:11] tier_50_dirs += toolkit/components/gnome [12:12] night all [12:12] anyway, I'll keep my branch and add some targets to build our tarballs [12:12] sure its certainly good to have [12:13] and maybe improve the build system a bit [12:13] yes [12:14] xulrunner better prove to work better than without it [12:14] its already pissing me off [12:15] lol [12:15] gnomefreak, with it, the .dev branch of ff is much smaller [12:16] less sources, less patches, and it (ff) compiles in 1 minute [12:16] instead of 1 hour [12:16] ah [12:16] but now it means maintaining xul [12:17] that doesnt help with anything else other than building? [12:17] xul could be shared [12:18] i was hoping for rendering but if its just source size it makes no sense its just another package to maintain [12:18] i'm trying to package songbird with our new xul but even without it, it doesn't build :P [12:19] Ubulette: that could be a reason i havent tried it [12:19] lol [12:19] i have some moron cant find update-manager nad whats to upgrade to gutsy [12:19] gnomefreak, i hope it will be used by epiphany, totem, kazehakase, liferea [12:19] and more [12:19] (xul) [12:20] we need to get ff off the depends list for alot of packages and use xul [12:20] yep, that's the idea [12:20] memory footprint should be smaller ... if you run mutliple apps at once [12:20] btw who wants to upgrae kazehakase to lates version for gutsy? [12:21] gnomefreak: ping the guy who uploaded last version [12:21] actually ... its one of the libxul rdepends right [12:21] ? [12:22] we should see if it can run against xulrunner 1.9 [12:22] because otherwise it blocks the way into gutsy for that [12:22] why ? [12:23] the new xul could live with the old one [12:23] could != should [12:23] ;) [12:23] maybe we should to xul-1.8 then [12:23] do [12:23] or 1.8.1 [12:23] maybe ... does it work? [12:24] it should [12:24] point is ... how will people update xulrunner? [12:24] make install just does that [12:24] never, but just through depends? [12:24] without the debian patches [12:24] ok [12:24] i think there will be more issues ;) [12:24] but in general i agree [12:24] just a provide/replace should do [12:25] for 1.8 only, not 1.9 [12:25] hmm ... what behaviour would we achieve by that? [12:25] or do you mean we want that when we abandon 1.8 ? [12:26] we could using 1.8 for ff2 (maybe) [12:26] i think that won't work ... and definitly not for gutsy [12:26] of just provide 1.8 for users that depends on stable xul [12:26] we cannot introduce such a huge change at this time of the release [12:26] for such an important package [12:27] maybe not [12:27] Ubulette: why do we want to provide an xulrunner-self-maintained-upgrade path at all? [12:27] i mean its just enough if the rdepends upgrade there dependencies [12:27] once we don't support 1.8 anymore there shouldn't be any depends anymore and thus removing the package from the archive will remove it from peoples disks on dist-upgrade [12:28] you sure ? [12:28] sure about what? [12:28] dist upgrade will wipe that ? [12:28] I'm not [12:28] hmmm ... not sure :) autoremove will [12:28] if they never explicitly installed it [12:29] Ubulette: but think i know that it does [12:29] autoremove is sometimes crazy, like when it wants to remove the kernel or libc [12:29] in debian packages get removed from your disc when they are removed from the archive [12:29] otherwise you couldn't remove packages [12:30] they are just marked as not installed, that's it [12:30] but ... i am not really sure ... its just that i always that that's the case ... might be based on a quick read or something [12:30] they are just marked as not installable, that's it [12:31] ok [12:31] anyway ... i don't think its a problem [12:32] if they never explicitly installed it ... it will be marked for autoremove [12:32] if they installed it explicitly then let them keep it (on their own risk) until a depends becomes incompatible ;) [12:33] anyway ... i am sure there are more than one exit-strategies ... which we can decide when we need to exit :) [12:34] why the fuck isnt it saving my changes [12:35] bzr merge: fix conflicts : bzr resolve : bzr push [12:35] and i still get diverged [12:35] gnomefreak: bzr commit [12:36] not push [12:36] push only after commit [12:36] ah [12:42] uploading xulrunner atm [12:42] and pushing iceape [12:43] asac: take iceape its al yours [12:44] ok thanks [12:44] anytime atleast should be there [12:45] so you didn't uncommit? [12:45] may look same but its not i got tired of thinking too hard === petal [n=tobias@dslb-084-063-106-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [12:45] what did you merge at the end? [12:46] gnomefreak: you should have overwritten the branch [12:46] because you uncommitted [12:46] not merge [12:46] you need to uncommit that merge [12:46] and push again without it [12:46] gnomefreak: it contains zero changes anyway :) [12:47] no it doesnt [12:47] asac: ping [12:47] it better now [12:47] not [12:47] --overwrite is bad ... but for the sake to not have something that cluttered its ok to do that on your provide branches [12:47] i uncommited and fixed everything [12:47] gnomefreak: the last checkin has zero changes [12:47] gnomefreak: yes the last checkin (the merge) was superfluous [12:48] cwong1: whats up (i am on my way away) :) [12:48] asac: Have you upload the latest browser to the gusty repo.? [12:48] i didnt --overwrite [12:48] yes [12:48] last checking was changelog [12:48] i didnt change the changelog as it wasnt needed [12:48] cwong1: yes [12:48] its build and all ... upgrade should bring it to you [12:49] for me image creator created bogus things today ... all crashing [12:49] asac: I did an upgrade and it didn't? [12:49] so i couldn't verify how well it works [12:49] s/?/ [12:49] changelog == no need for anyone to know i had to go back and fix it and i wasnt gonna bump version for this [12:49] image-creator is messed up now [12:49] yes [12:49] asac: I will check later. [12:49] but dist-upgrade messed up my image creator chroot as well [12:50] (before i restarted with image-creator from scratch) [12:50] so i think its a broken package [12:50] cwong1: if you get it going let me know how well midbrowser works [12:50] asac: ok I will. But u are saying that if I do an upgrade I should get the new one, right? [12:51] cwong1: what package version do you have? [12:51] asac: 1 sec [12:51] cwong1: don't use any internal mirrors if you want the latest :) [12:51] cwong1: it should be on all primary mirrors already [12:51] hi! I just wanted to upgrade from thunderbird 1.5 to 2.0 and it has to remove the 1.5 install. I have several inboxes active, a full calendar by use of the Lightning-extension etc. and I'm afraid of losing all of that... Is there a way to re-import or something? Thanks! [12:51] just in case you didn't get that upgrade [12:51] :) [12:51] asac: I don't trust my internal mirror [12:51] yeah [12:51] ;) [12:51] good attitude [12:51] mon^arh should be joinign here to ask in ff is still broekn [12:52] gnomefreak: why? [12:52] because the comment is ff still broken none can help him with so maybe he can give you better insite [12:52] petal: backup your .mozilla-thunderbird directory (to be safe) ... but in general package upgrades should not remove your data [12:53] (if you use thunderbird binaries directly downloaded from mozilla.org its no .mozilla-thunderbird but just .thunderbird [12:53] petal: both directories are in your $HOME directory [12:54] asac: Thank you! Will Thunderbird use .mozilla-thunderbird if I upgrade via Synaptic and automatically recognize the already present data? [12:54] the idea is that it should .. but keeping backups is good ... just in case [12:54] asac: mon^rch > i could not get the preferences dialog to open to [12:54] change settings and the delicious extension wasnt [12:54] working [12:55] he should run in -safe-mode [12:55] me thinks its the extension [12:55] if it fixes it ... then remove delicious extension [12:55] thats what i just told him to do [12:56] so is delicious extension completely broken? [12:56] asac: what version number should I see? [12:56] if you can verify it ... we should add it to our future extension blacklist [12:56] cwong1: latest [12:56] i dont know hes not answering me [12:56] asac: the actual version number is? [12:57] cwong1: if you tell me what oyu ahve i can say yes or now [12:57] no. [12:57] :) [12:57] :) [12:57] the package is 0.1.6b-0ubuntu1 [12:57] cwong1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/midbrowser [12:57] there you can always track the packages ... where they are build ... where they failed et al [12:58] k [12:58] mon^rch > gnomefreak: it works without the extension, but I cannot open the preferences dialog still and hey... I wanna use that extension! [12:59] think it has some laying around shit [12:59] no idea [12:59] i told him to remove it not run safemode :( [12:59] are preferences broken in -safe-mode? === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [01:01] mon^rch: can you run ff is safemode [01:01] -safe-mode even [01:01] yes [01:02] but I want to use my delicious bookmarks ... i'm sorry but its indispenseable [01:02] asac: you got this i need to go laydown pain is back at full force [01:03] mon^rch: its also not ubuntu extension [01:04] gnomefreak: yes lay down [01:04] gnomefreak: now he is gone [01:04] lol [01:04] im gone [01:04] probably troll'ish [01:04] gnomefreak: if you have time ... maybe you can test how bad that extension is [01:05] not today [01:05] at some point [01:05] :) [01:05] or remind me to test it [01:06] you should have a todo list on the m-t wiki [01:06] asac: Ok, I upgraded and everything went smoothly! Thanks so much for your help! Good to be on TB2! ;) [01:06] Ubulette: yeah thats a fantastic idea [01:06] Ubulette: i even think there is such a page [01:06] petal: yeah [01:06] petal: have fun [01:07] asac, btw, can i edit the wiki too ? [01:07] Ubulette: why not? [01:07] asac: thanks! [01:07] Ubulette: go ahead [01:07] donno, never tried [01:07] Ubulette: if you want to do some radical changes just give me a short prenotice ;) [01:07] nothing of that sort [01:07] Ubulette: you need an account on wiki.ubuntu.com [01:07] but its just a sign up button [01:07] nothing more [01:08] and it will remember your cookie forever (well at least for a very long time) [01:08] like launchpad [01:08] ok, i'll have a look [01:08] btw2, how can i have an irc cloak here ? [01:08] Ubulette: i think dfarning started such a todo ... or work list [01:09] Ubulette: welll ... ubuntu members can get one for free [01:09] so you would need to become an ubuntu member first [01:09] otherwise you need to sponsor freenode some monetary money ... that would be unaffeliated cloak [01:10] hmm, freenode is not free [01:10] the cloaks are not [01:10] they are for contributors of freesoftware projects though [01:10] e.g. like debian/developer, mozilla/developer, ubuntu/member ... whatever [01:11] i think come companies have cloaks as well ... but they probably donated a bunch to get a card blanche [01:11] s/come/some/ [01:11] Ubulette: no idea if i support that approach [01:11] all that seems not worth the effort [01:12] well its not ment as an incintive :) [01:12] to get involved in open-source projects [01:12] i don't believe in that kind of practice [01:13] what kind? [01:13] money for a line of conf [01:13] asac: apt-get upgrade did pull down the latest but it failed to start. I am looking into it now. :(