[01:47] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:07] <carlosweb> hola hay alguien hay ?.....
[04:32] <sbalneav> moquist: You about?
[04:34] <moquist> above along after amid among around
[04:35] <sbalneav> hey, /msg me
[04:35] <moquist> Yep. Just got excited about prepositions there for a sec.
[04:35] <sbalneav> I'm testing my irc proxy
[04:35] <sbalneav> let me know when you do it. :)
[04:35] <moquist> msged
[04:50] <TexasTwister> sbalneav, you assisted me last Friday with a problem nic that was not recognized on a new Dell system.  Found a resolution...
[04:50] <TexasTwister> Needed to install a package: linux-backports-modules_2.6.20-16
[04:51] <TexasTwister> Thanks for the help -- just wanted to follow up.
[04:51] <TexasTwister> Anyone here with experience configuring an LTSP server in Edubuntu?
[04:53] <sbalneav> I've had a bit of experience :)
[04:54] <sbalneav> TexasTwister: What do you need help with?
[04:54] <TexasTwister> I'm trying to configure this at home, before taking it to the school.  I have the two NICs, one ... hang on... might have found my own problem...
[05:01] <TexasTwister> Yep... think I've got it now.... Of all the dumb stuff to overlook!  At the school I was going to leave the LTSP network on the 192.168.0 network and use 192.168.1 for my external-facing network.  But I had forgotten that my home router is handing out 192.168.0 addresses -- so it was addressing conflicts.
[05:12] <TexasTwister> When I am running an LTSP session as student1 (a non-privileged user) and trying to use the Thin Client manager on the server to monitor student1, I get the message "Unavailable: Install X11vnc on the client".  So...
[05:14] <sbalneav> Check on the wiki for x11vnc
[05:14] <sbalneav> it needs some poking to get it to work.
[05:14] <TexasTwister> As student1, I used "su - scott" (scott is an admin user) and then "sudo apt-get install X11vnc" and got it installed.  Then I started it.  But refreshing the screen still shows unavailable.  Okay... will do...
[05:14] <sbalneav> You'll have to install it in the chroot.
[05:43] <TexasTwister> I tried to follow these instructions: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients?highlight=%28x11vnc%29#Quick ... but not only did the vnc not work, something about it allows the server's hd partitions to show up on the desktop of the LTSP session -- NOT good! :-)
[05:53] <boyam> TexasTwister, check out the forums...folks have gotten it to work in this thread...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406220&highlight=edubuntu
[05:54] <boyam> mof i got mine working with this thread...adding the -shared to rc.local seems to have gotten me over my hump...
[06:23] <TexasTwister> thanks all... no joy yet, I'll come back to it later...
[09:56] <marine_> encompass
[10:01] <encompass> marine_: hi there
[10:14] <marine_> encompass
[10:14] <marine_> I forgot the name of your channel
[10:15] <marine_> shriphani
[10:55] <shriphani> ogra: ?
[10:56] <ogra> shriphani, ?
[10:57] <shriphani> i asked the local loco team about going around trying to promote edubuntu in schools.. I haven't had any response as such.
[10:59] <shriphani> could you suggest what i do next ?
[11:00] <shriphani> the team seems to be extremely inactive...
[11:02] <ogra> make more noise ?
[11:02] <shriphani> hmm.
[11:02] <ogra> without a community or any feedback its hard to build something
[11:03] <ogra> so that should be your first focus
[11:03] <shriphani> hmm.
[11:03] <shriphani> i'll try to.
[11:14] <shriphani> ogra: or would it be ok if i do a presentation on edubuntu at a major school here ?
[11:14] <ogra> sure
[11:15] <shriphani> hmm I would need at least one brochure for that..
[11:25] <shriphani> ogra: where do i get these ?
[11:28] <ogra> shriphani, not sure we have something yet, RichEd ?
[11:28] <shriphani> hmm.
[11:31] <shriphani> and schools do need to see some apparent benefit out of this.
[11:32] <RichEd> hi shriphani & ogra
[11:32] <ogra> i know there was some initiative going on, but RichEd is the better to answer here
[11:32] <shriphani> hello RichEd
[11:33] <RichEd> we have the schools advocacy pages ... and the brochure that pete used for bettsa ... let me have a quick look for the links and the pdf
[11:33] <shriphani> i am ashamed at the lack of activity in the loco team.
[11:38] <RichEd> shriphani: things go in waves ... no need to feel like that ... rather just add some of your own energy
[11:38] <shriphani> i am a member of a lug. I dunno if they will even bother working towards this.
[11:38] <RichEd> shriphani: give me your email address in the msg window
[11:39] <RichEd> thanks ... i'll send a brochure we can start with
[11:39] <RichEd> looking for the advocacy link as well
[11:40] <shriphani> ok.
[11:43] <RichEd> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/welcome.html
[11:43] <RichEd> take a look at that link and the brochure i will send
[11:44] <RichEd> ogra: shriphani is in india, as a student, and is keen to help with *buntu in education ... he is a Kubuntu user
[11:44] <RichEd> i have suggested to him that it would be useful if he could find out what is used for teaching Computer Science in schools, and get a desktop set up with all of the equivalent tools on ubuntu
[11:45] <RichEd> (just a f.y.i.)
[11:46] <ogra> forward that to nixternal or Riddell for the edubuntu-kde package :)
[12:21] <shriphani> RichEd: open-office tells me that the file's corrupted.
[12:21] <RichEd> shriphani: let me resave and resend
[12:22] <shriphani> ok.
[12:27] <shriphani> abiword or lyx ?
[12:37] <shriphani> let me try kword
[01:08] <shriphani> RichEd: it looks nice. Mind if I make some additions to it and also a few slides based on it ?
[01:09] <RichEd> not at all ...
[01:09] <RichEd> i will also send you one of my presentations
[01:09] <shriphani> ok.
[02:02] <RichEd> [02:02] <RichEd> hi pips1
[02:02] <ogra> eeks
[02:02] <pips1> hi
[02:03] <RichEd> ogra ... we'll keep it short ... I know you are busy and I have another appointment in an hour
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> that was a short meeting
[02:39] <ogra> yeah :)
[02:40] <juliux> too short for me
[02:41] <RichEd> juliux: was there stuff you needed to chat about ?
[02:42] <juliux> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Volunteer the first grafik looks great
[02:42] <juliux> RichEd, not realy
[02:42] <juliux> RichEd, i am at work so i have only time if the phone doesn't ring;)
[02:42] <RichEd> how is the work going ?
[02:43] <juliux> good
[02:43] <juliux> it is an interesting job
[02:43] <RichEd> glad to hear that\
[02:43] <juliux> but i haven't much time for edubuntu and ubunut
[02:50] <jsgotangco> hello
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:52] <juliux> RichEd, 21. october, it is a sunday, we will have education day at the german ubucon, so if you know some people in german, belgium or the netherlands you can invite them
[02:53] <RichEd> great ... i was wondering when it was happening
[02:54] <juliux> RichEd, we will have the whole day education talks in one romm
[02:54] <juliux> room
[02:54] <shriphani> 22hours.... the same reply from a hungarian who has no idea where he is posting what.
[02:55] <juliux> RichEd, there will be talks about edubuntu, linux4afrika, cheap school network, seminarix, ubuntu userful,
[02:55] <RichEd> nice :)
[02:55] <shriphani> juliux: where ?
[02:55] <shriphani> same room ?
[02:56] <juliux> shriphani, in krefeld/germany
[02:56] <juliux> shriphani, not at the same time;)
[02:56] <shriphani> oh...
[02:56] <juliux> every topic is one hour
[02:56] <shriphani> its a one-man army here.
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya
[03:51] <shriphani> mind if i make an edubuntu website...... an edubuntu schools axis or something like that.
[04:10] <obiyoda> I have a lab set up and the students can't log on the thin clients. They can log on the server but not the thin clients.
[04:10] <obiyoda> what could cause this?
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have sabayon installed?
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> can anyone log in?
[04:13] <obiyoda> sabayon?
[04:13] <obiyoda> I don't think so since it doesn't sound familure
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> its an admin tool
[04:14] <obiyoda> Its not installed
[04:17] <ogra> obiyoda, tried to run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server ?
[04:18] <obiyoda> okay I did that. Now my problem is that I am not at the school right now. Is there a way to check through ssh if that worked?
[04:49] <RichEd> ogra you here ?
[04:49] <RichEd> you just timed out from canonical
[05:49] <Nuba1> hi... Some of the terminals in my computer network are giving out sessions to the ltsp clients. I imagine this is because the server cd was installed to the harddisk of these computers... what can I do to disable these computers from giving out sessions to my ltsp terminals... I've disabled and uninstalled dhcp3, but something else is giving out the sessions after the dhcp server gives them their details
[05:49] <Nuba1> that is to say, this is apart from the regular ltsp server which should be the only one giving out sessions
[05:50] <ogra> well, that should also be your only dhcp server
[05:50] <Nuba1> it is
[05:50] <ogra> the dhcp server tells the clients where to boot from
[05:51] <Nuba1> well, why is it booting from the dhcp server and then giving a session on a different computer altogether
[05:51] <ogra> and if you only have one running it will only point to your ltsp server
[05:51] <ogra> so i assume you have another dhcp server running somewhere
[05:51] <ogra> ldm is hardcoded to user the bootserver as connection server ...
[05:51] <Nuba1> well, I've check and disabled all other dhcp servers... it looks like it is starting up from the central dhcp server... I mean, I cant have 2 dhcps servers with the same address can I?
[05:52] <ogra> so i see no way that it could connect to something different than the dhcp server it recieved the data from
[05:52] <ogra> not if they are not configured identically
[05:52] <ogra> and even then you might get half the answer on the srequest from one and the rest from another dhcpd
[05:53] <ogra> just dont run more than one ...
[05:53] <Nuba1> ok, there is one dhcp server on a different network altogether...
[05:53] <Nuba1> but thats just a router
[05:53] <ogra> beyond that i'd disable netbooting in the BIOS of the machines you dont want to be thin clients
[05:53] <Nuba1> well, I'll have another look around
[05:54] <Nuba1> yeah, in the mba I have an option for local or network booting
[05:54] <Nuba1> I've set all the cards to local
[05:54] <Nuba1> thats correct right?
[05:55] <ogra> yes
[05:55] <Nuba1> right, I'll have another look around... so it must be a dhcp server
[05:55] <ogra> if you have set them to local, there is no physical way for them to netboot ...
[05:56] <Nuba1> well, its doing it... I know this because the computer in question will not load on my regular ltsp network due to the fglrx problem
[05:56] <ogra> well, it cant :)
[05:57] <ogra> physically
[05:57] <ogra> ...
[05:57] <ogra> unless you have two NICs in there and disabled the wrong one
[05:57] <Nuba1> nope
[05:57] <ogra> are you sure you saved the BIOS changes ?
[05:57] <Nuba1> maybe the card is not working then, I dont know... but it is definetly loading a different computer than the regular dhcp server
[05:58] <ogra> well, it cant netboot if you disabled netbooting in the BIOS
[05:58] <Nuba1> wait, this is the network card bios
[05:58] <Nuba1> not the regular bios
[05:58] <ogra> there is no technical way to work around that
[05:58] <Nuba1> in the 3com cards there is an option to hit alt+cntrl+b
[05:58] <ogra> for a boot menu
[05:59] <ogra> well, look in the regula BIOS
[05:59] <Nuba1> u select there whether u want local net boot, or network net boot
[05:59] <ogra> *regular
[05:59] <ogra> there should be something about the boot order etc
[05:59] <Nuba1> yeah, thats all fine... this computer is a ltsp thin terminal... it should boot from the regular dhcp server
[05:59] <ogra> well, i'm talkin g about the ones that shouldnt
[06:00] <ogra> indeed
[06:00] <Nuba1> what is happening is its getting details from another computer, but starting up with the regular dhcp server (at least according to the network settings)
[06:00] <Nuba1> my question is, in the pxe boot menu
[06:00] <Nuba1> what should it be set to, local or network
[06:00] <ogra> local
[06:00] <Nuba1> sorry, remote
[06:00] <ogra> unless you want them netbooting
[06:01] <Nuba1> this is the pxe menu, not bios...
[06:01] <Nuba1> gives me option for remote booting or local, but all via pxe
[06:01] <ogra> right
[06:01] <ogra> look in the BIOS
[06:01] <ogra> there should be an option as well
[06:01] <Nuba1> so ignore the pxe then?
[06:02] <ogra> no
[06:02] <Nuba1> yeah, the bios is set to MBA (being the pxe boot menu)
[06:02] <ogra> disable it in both
[06:02] <ogra> right
[06:02] <ogra> switch away from that
[06:02] <Nuba1> but I want this computer to be a ltsp computer
[06:02] <ogra> *sigh*
[06:02] <ogra> switch away from that *on the computers that netboot while they shouldnt*
[06:03] <ogra> i'm not talking about *that computer* i'm talking about the computers you complained about
[06:03] <Nuba1> ahhhh... k
[06:03] <Nuba1> gotcha... sorry...
[06:03] <ogra> and make sure to really run only one single dhcpd
[06:04] <ogra> (on one phsical network)
[06:04] <Nuba1> well, at least it really works out of the box, cause i didnt touch the other computers settings :-)
[06:04] <ogra> heh
[06:04] <Nuba1> anyway.. and a recomendation... should I use Fedora Active Directory or open ldap?
[06:05] <Nuba1> to manage sso?
[06:05] <Nuba1> singe sign on
[06:05] <Nuba1> single
[06:05] <ogra> ldap i guess
[06:05] <Nuba1> k, I read that will be built into edubuntu in the future, which sounds great
[06:06] <ogra> yeah, but not before gutsy+1
[06:07] <ogra> we're waiting for the implementation from the ubuntu server team
[06:07] <Nuba1> for their AD implementation?
[06:08] <Nuba1> well, anyway, thanks... I'll let u get back to work :-)
[06:08] <ogra> for their network auth implementation
[06:08] <ogra> i dont think it will have to do anything with AD
[06:09] <Nuba1> ok replacing nis then
[06:10] <ogra> no idea
[06:10] <ogra> its in their hands, i'll integrate what i get
[06:16] <sbalneav> ogra: Anywhere where we can follow what they're up to? :)
[06:17] <ogra> sbalneav, no idea, dendrobates is the server team lead, he might know
[06:19] <pygi> hellooooooooo! :)
[06:20] <ogra> (he's very intrested in edubuntu as reference platform for some of his stuff)
[06:21] <pygi> Hey ogra :)
[06:21] <ogra> hi pygi
[06:21] <pygi> how are you doing?
[06:21] <ogra> fine ... busy
[06:22] <ogra> working on tribe6 bugs
[06:22] <pygi> oh, oki
[06:23] <pygi> ogra, am working on some education-related project lately =)
[06:23] <ogra> cool
[06:23] <ogra> me to :)
[06:23] <pygi> ogra, you work on edubuntu :P
[06:23] <pygi> I know that =)
[06:23] <ogra> *g*
[06:23] <moquist> ogra: moodle status: I have a couple things in mind to try to figure out why dpkg isn't terminating when 'apt-get remove moodle' is run. I plan to work on it tonight.
[06:23] <ogra> monteslu, thanks :)
[06:23] <pygi> moquist, why use moodle when you can use acoodem? :D
[06:24] <ogra> pygi, how many users does acoodem have ? in how many langs is it translated and in how many langs are the docs translated ?
[06:24] <pygi> ogra, 1, none, no docs =)
[06:25] <ogra> heh
[06:25] <pygi> it was a joke anyway :p
[06:27] <pygi> it isn't even functional =)
[06:42] <lns> does anyone forsee any problems using alien to convert redhat-config-users to ubuntu/gnome?
[06:42] <lns> i really like that gui compared to the default ubuntu/gnome one
[06:43] <ogra> well
[06:43] <ogra> i wouldnt use alienated packaged in a production system ...
[06:43] <lns> i was going to test it first
[06:43] <ogra> especially not if it can trash your user credentials
[06:44] <lns> true.. i was just figuring that something as low-level and universal such as 'useradd' and /etc/passwd, it would seem like a fairly trivial task
[06:44] <ogra> (imagine after 3 months a strange bug shows up because alien was missing anything and wipes out /etc/password)
[06:44] <lns> bah...always looking at the possibilities, ogra ;)
[06:44] <ogra> but if you want to take that risk, go ahead :)
[06:45] <lns> i'd love to see it ported to tell you the truth...i just wish i had the programming skills to do it
[06:45] <lns> i'd love to pay someone to do it
[06:45] <ogra> LP once had a function for bounties :)
[06:45] <ogra> not sure if thats still there
[06:46] <ogra> but you could bounty it :)
[06:46] <lns> hmm!
[06:46] <lns> i'll look for that right now
[06:47] <lns> :( "We're going to remove the bounty system because it's not officially in use."
[06:48] <lns> priced at 1000000.0 USD
[06:48] <lns> lol
[06:48] <ogra> ouch :)
[06:49] <lns> i'd put something up at hireafreelancer.com or whatever that is, but i really doubt anyone would respond
[06:50] <lns> i wonder why the bounty system went away
[06:50] <ogra> well, there were not really any valid bounties ...
[06:51] <ogra> like "i'll pay you $20 for blah" ...
[06:52] <lns> i just need my own henchman
[06:52] <lns> ;)
[06:52] <monteslu> ogra, no problem ?
[06:53] <ogra> monteslu, ?
[06:53] <ogra> you mean that bounty ?
monteslu, thanks :)
[06:53] <ogra> ah, right
[06:53] <monteslu> you probably meant moquist
[06:54] <ogra> yeah
[06:54] <ogra> igniting new conversations all the time, isnt that great ?
[06:56] <monteslu> yeah, its just like bash without the burden of being right
[06:57] <ogra> hehe
[07:42] <ogra> hey LaserJock
[07:43] <LaserJock> hi ogra
[07:46] <ogra> ogra@laptop:~/seeds/edubuntu.gutsy$ bzr commit -m'add edubuntu-addon-meta to ship-addon'
[07:46] <ogra> modified ship-addon
[07:46] <ogra> Committed revision 636.
[07:46] <ogra> ;)
[07:49] <LaserJock> ah
[07:50] <LaserJock> I'm going to try to add some .desktops so that you can install the metapackages from the g-a-i window
[08:12] <Nuba1> I am on a non internet qualified ip/domain and keep getting invalid DN for LDAP, kerberos, squid, etc
[08:12] <Nuba1> I've set hostname and looked at /etc/hosts
[08:13] <Nuba1> resolv.conf too... everything seems fine... if I do a hostname -f it comes back correctly
[08:13] <Nuba1> but I still get that damn message
[08:15] <LaserJock> darn, already?
[08:15] <LaserJock> ;-)
[08:15] <LaserJock> I'm just trying to get started
[08:15] <ogra> well, i had my 10h today
[08:15] <Nuba1> sun is setting here...
[08:15] <ogra> and solved the debconf stuff
[08:16] <ogra> 20:15 here
[08:16] <ogra> i'll package it tomorrow ...
[08:16] <ogra> night all
[08:16] <LaserJock> cya ogra
[08:25] <shriphani> is there something like a ubuntu jacket ?
[08:25] <shriphani> rather than a t-shirt ?
[08:26] <LaserJock> hmm, I've not see one
[08:26] <LaserJock> that might be cool
[08:26] <shriphani> cuz on my school converting trip, I would like a jacket more than a t-shirt (late arrival of the monsoon here)
[08:36] <lns> RichEd, whenever you have the chance, I whipped up a blog touting Linux, LTSP, and open source. It has a link at the bottom for Ubuntu. Hopefully this will fill the prereq for becoming a Canonical marketplace partner.
[08:37] <lns> RichEd, http://blogs.logicalnetworking.net