[12:44] <ryanakca> ScottK: no, since I don't use ldap for mail auth, or maildrop
[12:50] <ScottK> OK.
[12:50] <ScottK> Thanks for looking
[12:55] <ryanakca> herm. Second time X crashes today
[01:03] <Riddell> ryanakca: ppa needs .orig.
[01:05] <mike_moose> Hi.
[01:05] <Riddell> hi mike_moose
[01:05] <ryanakca> Riddell: yeah, dput -f ppa kdebase_3.5.7-1ubuntu18_source.changes should do it, right?
[01:06] <mike_moose> Might anyone have an idea why kwallet wants to put its config files in ~/share/config instead of ~/.kde/share/config ?
[01:06] <ryanakca> mike_moose: yes, I'm working on it
[01:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: you need to use -sa for debuild so it includes the .orig
[01:07] <ryanakca> Ah
[01:09] <Riddell> yeah, sorry, it doesn't need -sa for uploading to the ubuntu archive
[01:09] <Riddell> since it already has the .orig
[01:56] <Riddell> fabo: I added http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_02_fix_html_header.diff as a quick fix for the strigi header issue
[02:20] <Riddell> nixternal: kubuntu-docs uploaded
[02:20] <nixternal> groovy :)
[02:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: kdebase uploaded
[02:27] <ryanakca> Riddell: ? to ppa, or to Ubuntu?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> i this beta2?
[02:30] <Riddell> ryanakca: ubuntu
[02:30] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: no
[02:30] <ryanakca> Riddell: cool, thanks
[02:30] <ryanakca> I'll commit to bzr
[02:30] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: it's in the kubuntu-members ppa for gutsy
[02:30] <Riddell> but it's not released yet so I'm not sure why everyone is so impatient
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> cause Troy Unrau posted a great review of it.
[02:31] <ryanakca> beta2 of KDE4?
[02:31] <Jucato> and?
[02:32] <ryanakca> morning Jucato
[02:32] <Jucato> moin ryanakca...
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> morning? where are you from Jucato?
[02:32] <Jucato> waaaay over southeast asia
[02:33] <Jucato> is it a bad thing when you start to dream about the code/patch that you weren't able to finish before sleeping? :(
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> you've got it bad..
[02:34] <ryanakca> Ouch
[02:35] <Jucato> oh well.. start workig on it again :/
[02:38] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee
[02:38] <ryanakca> Hey Hobbsee
[02:39] <ryanakca> your .Xmodmap patch got uploaded :D
[02:39] <Hobbsee> hiya
[02:40] <Hobbsee> yay, thankyou :)
[02:41] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: thank Riddell :)
[02:41] <Riddell> you can remove things?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell
[02:41] <ryanakca> I think so, at least according to the FAQ
[02:42] <ryanakca> s/faq/quick-start guide
[02:42] <ryanakca> How long are packages published?
[02:42] <ryanakca> Packages will remain published until either you remove them yourself, or you supersede them with newer versions, or the underlying release of Ubuntu against which they were built becomes obsolete and unmaintained.
[02:43] <Riddell> I don't think there's a way to remove them yet
[02:43] <Riddell> but let me know if you find different
[03:02] <Jucato> Riddell: could I borrow you for a while? :(
[03:14] <Jucato> I added a new build-dep to dolphin, libkonq4-dev. But debuild fails on linking. the error I get is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36391/
[03:14] <Jucato>  /home/jucato/Developer/KDE/dolphin/dolphin-0.9.1/./src/dolphin.cpp:568: undefined reference to `KonqOperations::restoreTrashedItems(KURL::List const&)'
[03:15] <Jucato> ignore the path with the "Developer" in there :P
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[03:19] <Jucato> o.O
[03:20] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:20] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:25] <Jucato> if I added a new #include in the code, and added a new build-dep in debian/control, is there some other file I need to update/modify?
[03:30] <Jucato> ok I'm stumped :(
[03:30] <Jucato> brb.. gonna fix me some hot choco
[03:32] <jjesse> wow finally got a good hotel internet connection
[03:35] <Jucato> yay? :)
[03:36] <Jucato> oh crap...
[04:40] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[04:40] <DaSkreech> and umm the Remote
[04:40] <DaSkreech> and Jucato
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hiya
[04:46] <Jucato> hhi
[04:58] <Jucato> ok I give up!
[05:01] <DaSkreech> I win!
[05:01] <jjesse> what do you win?
[05:02] <Jucato> we're all just going to have to live with a half-functional trash management in Dolphin for one whole release
[05:04] <DaSkreech> which half?
[05:04] <Jucato> the half where you can't Restore or Empty in Dolphin
[05:04] <Jucato> (you can empty from the Trash kicker applet though)
[05:08] <Jucato> :(
[05:13] <Jucato> hm.. maybe I'm doing this all wrong...
[11:06] <Riddell> Jucato: how did you get on?
[11:07] <Jucato> (heh yay just woke up...)
[11:07] <Jucato> Riddell: I'm having a linking problem. I think that's the only problem now
[11:07] <Jucato> something like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36391/
[11:09] <Riddell> probably needs -lkonq somewhere
[11:09] <Jucato> hm... that's what I suspected... only problem is I don't know where :(
[11:10] <Riddell> Makefile.am
[11:10] <Riddell> d3lphin_LDADD = $(LIB_KFILE) $(LIB_KDEPRINT)
[11:10] <Riddell> try  d3lphin_LDADD = $(LIB_KFILE) $(LIB_KDEPRINT) -lkonq
[11:11] <Jucato> will do
[11:11] <Riddell> then    fakeroot make -f debian/rules buildprep
[11:11] <Riddell> debuild
[11:13] <Jucato> d3lphin_LDADD = $(LIB_KFILE) $(LIB_KDEPRINT) can't seem to find that particular line
[11:17] <Jucato> perhaps in acinclude.m4?
[11:19] <Riddell> in src/Makefile.am
[11:19] <Jucato> ah krap! hehe sorry
[11:25] <Jucato> Riddell: that -lkonq is a small letter L or a capital i? (sorry, sans serif here :P)
[11:26] <Riddell> Jucato: small
[11:26] <Jucato> I see.
[11:26] <Riddell> big -L is for library directories to search in, small -l is for the name of the library (missing the lib...so)
[11:29] <Jucato> I used debuild -rfakeroot binary to make a quick deb that I can test... yay! restore works!
[11:30] <Jucato> and this 2nd way I implemented it localizes the changes in dolphincontext.cpp only
[11:31] <Jucato> dang! who could have known my error was that easy to resolve :) thanks Riddell
[11:31] <Jucato> now trying to implement Empty Trash
[12:18] <Jucato> Riddell: a hurried debdiff: http://jucato.org/kde/dolphin.debdiff
[12:18] <Jucato> still waiting for pbuilder to finish, so I can test a  proper .deb
[12:19] <Jucato> but that one works (debuild binary)
[12:19] <Tm_P> yay
[12:20] <Jucato> hehe... I can't believe how many somersaults I did... and the final solution was actually simple :(
[12:20] <Tm_P> we are about to send ubuntu to our (finnish) parliament, and I volunteered to media contact
[12:20] <Jucato> yay
[12:21] <Riddell> Tm_P: send in which way?
[12:21] <Riddell> Tm_P: not kubuntu?
[12:22] <Riddell> Jucato: your .diff contains files in the debian dir
[12:23] <Jucato> oh...
[12:23] <Tm_P> Riddell: Ubuntu only, we deliver cds with letters to them
[12:24] <Jucato> Riddell: hehe sorry about that. I suck at debdiffs. but here's the original patch: http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntu_05_trash_contextmenu.diff
[12:25] <Tm_P> Riddell: I explain it properly when I get to keyboard
[12:25] <Jucato> Riddell: but I also changed debian/control to add libkonq4-dev as a build-dep
[12:28] <Riddell> sahin_h: new kdepim should be up for testing
[12:28] <sahin_h> Riddell: Ok. Unfortunately today there's a little chance to reach my imap server at company. :-(
[12:29] <sahin_h> Riddell: However tomorrow morning at last will be a fine day for testing.
[12:29] <Tm_P> gone ->
[01:09] <gnomefreak> is it possible to remove strigi-* and not remove otehr kde packages?
[01:10] <Lure> Riddell: is there a good reason why we do not use apport also for kde apps? I think it is much better than crash handler
[01:10] <Lure> Riddell: btw, kmail just crashed on me and no way to get stack trace now
[01:11] <gnomefreak> Lure: there is an apport-qt i thought
[01:11] <gnomefreak> it was introduced in feisty
[01:11] <Lure> gnomefreak: I know, problem is that kde apps have own (kde) crash handler and not using apport crash handler
[01:11] <gnomefreak> oh
[01:11] <Lure> gnomefreak: only pykde/pyqt apps use apport
[01:12] <gnomefreak> python crash reports dont give good retrace with apport (atleast in feisty)
[01:12] <Lure> gnomefreak: I recall some concerns from Riddell in past (feisty cycle), but not sure if they are still valid now that apport is proven technology
[01:13] <Lure> gnomefreak: gutsy is slightly better on python front
[01:13] <gnomefreak> i havent had a crash in a long time in gutsy
[01:13] <gnomefreak> should crash something to see :)
[01:17] <gnomefreak> Riddell: i tend to agree with lure to turn off or use as backup the kde apps crash handler and use apport as main
[01:19] <Riddell> gnomefreak: yes, you can remove strigidaemon
[01:19] <gnomefreak> ok cool ty
[01:20] <Riddell> Lure: my main concern is that most crashes are upstream issues, so there's little point in reporting them to us
[01:21] <Lure> Riddell: agreed, but kde crash handler (w/o debug info) is useless
[01:22] <Lure> Riddell: upstream (kde) just tell you back that you need to run debug build, which our users cannot (easily)
[01:22] <Lure> Riddell: it is easy to push apport crashes to upstream by bug triage team then
[01:23] <Riddell> users can install kdepim-dbg easily enough
[01:23] <Lure> Riddell: I have not seen many actually did/or was told to, so bugs stay in stuck state
[01:24] <Lure> I just think that with apport we can better relay our users to kde developers (quicker, less fuss for the user)
[01:24] <Lure> and I do not see obvious benefit of kde crash handler compared to apport (beside that it is different, but I am not concerned as you should rarely see it anyway)
[01:26] <Riddell> being different isn't a benefit
[01:26] <Riddell> I guess the QA team should be asked if they want to forward crashes upstream
[01:30] <Lure> Riddell: they do this for other projects, don't they?
[01:30] <Lure> Riddell: and I see more and more upstream projects directly working with LP (for example kde-apps products)
[01:34] <Riddell> what kde apps work with launchpad?
[02:00] <manchicken> sebas: ping
[02:01] <manchicken> Riddell: Do you have a source for neat kubuntu apparel, or do you just use cafepress?
[02:02] <manchicken> http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prodpopup.aspx?prod=146940344&colorCode=White
[02:02] <manchicken> Dacia and I are going to buy that for our little girl.
[02:02] <manchicken> I do believe she'll look smashing in it.
[02:03] <Riddell> there's a kubuntu cafepress shop?
[02:04] <manchicken> No, there's just a logo up.
[02:04] <manchicken> Neat, powermanager just told me that my battery has been removed.
[02:21] <Lure> Riddell: soundkonverter guy does bug triage on his own for example, I have seen also others
[02:21] <Lure> it looks that for kde-apps guys they do not use kde infrastructure anyway
[02:22] <Lure> manchicken: di you upgrade hal/dbus?
[02:22] <Jucato> Riddell: I'm sorry. I really suck at making proper Debian packages right now. the .dsc I made seems not to build in pbuilder. I don't know if libkonq4-dev was installed
[02:23] <Jucato> Lure: kde-apps is a great big mix of anything and everything. :)
[02:24] <Lure> Jucato: yep, and apachelogger's effort to get them in kubuntu gives them new users
[02:24] <manchicken> Lure: I just ran full upgrades, so yeah :)
[02:25] <manchicken> What do I run to get it to reset the battery display?
[02:25] <Lure> manchicken: I think there is bug opened for this, but I consider it as low prio ;-)
[02:25] <Lure> manchicken: hal/dbus does not change that often for released version ;-)
[02:25] <manchicken> Lure: Don't do that.  We need power management to work.
[02:26] <Lure> manchicken: I need strigi fix first (it crashes on me)
[02:26] <manchicken> Of all things that we need to work, folks need to know how much power they have left.
[02:26] <Lure> manchicken: ;-)
[02:27] <Jucato> Lure: one of the reasons I wanted to learn packaging was to package stuff from kde-look and kde-apps... unfortunately I suck at even at learning that hahah
[02:28] <Lure> Jucato: but you excel on other fronts!
[02:28] <Lure> Jucato: and no reason to give up ;-)
[02:28] <manchicken> Lure: Well if you need a hand with anything, let me know.  I may have some time this weekend.
[02:28] <Jucato> one day.. one day, I'll really get this packaging thing
[02:28] <manchicken> I'm particularly interested in playing with some Python so that I can get a little better there.
[02:28] <stdin> manchicken: you have to kill the power manager and restart it
[02:29] <Lure> manchicken: this weekend I have what I call "opensource on the air" - OpenStreetMap mapping party ;-)
[02:29] <manchicken> stdin: Which one?  powernowd?  powersaved?
[02:29] <Lure> manchicken: just applet
[02:29] <manchicken> Ah.
[02:29] <manchicken> Okay.
[02:29] <stdin> manchicken: no, just the applet, then restart guidance-power-manager
[02:29] <stdin> ie: just run the command
[02:30] <manchicken> There we go.
[02:32] <manchicken> Wow, aptitude thinks that knetworkmanager is unused...
[02:32] <manchicken> That's disturbing.
[02:33] <Jucato> one problem with aptitude is that sometimes it thinks it's smarter than you :)
[02:35] <manchicken> Jucato: You're assuming it's not :P
[02:35] <manchicken> In this case it seems to have encountered an unavoidable error.
[02:35] <Jucato> apparently it isn't :)
[02:37] <Jucato> ok.. now that Dolphin's out of my head.. I can re-focus on C++
[02:38] <Jucato> manchicken: just gave Riddell a patch to put Restore and Empty Trash in D3lphin...
[02:38] <nixternal> don't you people ever sleep?
[02:38] <manchicken> I like Dolphin :)
[02:38] <Jucato> manchicken: now perhaps you'll like it even more :)
[02:38] <manchicken> nixternal: There's plenty of time for sleep when you're dead.
[02:38] <manchicken> Jucato: Perhaps so :)
[02:39] <manchicken> nixternal: You coming to my new Mahomet Mansion for the IlliBuntu meeting on Oct.20?
[02:39] <nixternal> ya, I died last night for a few hours :)
[02:39] <nixternal> we shall see
[02:39] <Jucato> nixternal: let's see I slept at 3am, woke up at around 8am?
[02:39] <manchicken> nixternal: I hear that's a common problem in your area.
[02:39] <manchicken> I blame the democrats.
[02:39] <nixternal> me too
[02:39] <manchicken> heh
[02:39] <nixternal> I blame them for everything!
[02:40] <manchicken> Now it's time to decide if I will be walking the dog or not.
[02:50] <Jucato> what's the difference between Makefile.am and Makefile.in? :(
[02:53] <nixternal> Makefile.am is used to make a Makefile.in :)
[02:53] <nixternal> with automake
[02:54] <Jucato> ah ok
[02:54] <Jucato> this will be definitely the last time I try making a patch without knowing what I'm doing :(
[02:55] <nixternal> and then the Makefile.in is what is used to create the Makefile itself
[02:56] <Jucato> and the configure script is the one that does all these?
[02:56] <nixternal> you got it
[02:56] <nixternal> well configure makes the Makefile
[02:57] <Jucato> ah..
[02:59] <Jucato> hm... now I know why pbuilder fails... it seems like it doesn't know that the dolphin I made has a new build-dep on libkonq4-dev...
[03:00] <nixternal> you ran debuild -S -sa first, or something similar correct?
[03:01] <Jucato> yep. but I think my mistake was that in the .diff, I included the change I made in debian/control :(
[03:01] <nixternal> ahh
[03:01] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntu_05_trash_contextmenu.diff
[03:01] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/kde/dolphin.debdiff
[03:02] <nixternal> if that is in debian/patches, then yes, you don't want it to edit anything in debian/ then
[03:02] <nixternal> ya, just remove the the debian/* stuff from the diffs and it should work
[03:03] <Jucato> so I should run diff -ruN *before* I change the control and changelog files?
[03:05] <nixternal> what I do when I create diffs, is I remove the debian/ directory first
[03:05] <nixternal> so I create a tmp/ dir, cd into it, cp -a ../directory, and then rm -rf directory/debian, then cp -a directory/ directory.orig
[03:05] <Jucato> next time, when Im going to do something like this, I'll make sure you're around first... :(
[03:06] <nixternal> you are fine now with your diff though, all you have to do is delete the lines for the debian/ stuff out of them
[03:06] <Jucato> and run debuild -S again?
[03:06] <nixternal> yup
[03:07] <nixternal> something you might want to look into as well since you are getting into packaging, is possibly setting your pbuilder up with ccache...it speeds up building if you have to attempt to build multimple times
[03:07] <Jucato> yeah I think it's cached
[03:08] <nixternal> its especially useful so you don't have to go through the entire apt process everytime which is nice
[03:08] <nixternal> how come Java comes so easy to me, and c++ I just flat out suck at
[03:09] <Jucato> O.o
[03:09] <Jucato> don't go over to the other dark side!!
[03:10] <nixternal> java is kind of nice actually...as long as you program it correctly
[03:10] <Jucato> and with Qt Jambi, you're not going to be too far from us hehehe
[03:10] <Jucato> unless you start doing Mono/.NET stuff...
[03:10] <nixternal> heck no
[03:10] <nixternal> .NET stuff is garbage
[03:11] <nixternal> I have taken a few classes now, and I must say, I don't like much about it
[03:11] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:22] <Jucato> nixternal: so far so good, pbuilder notice the new build-dep. thanks :)
[03:24] <Riddell> Jucato: let me know when you have a new debdiff
[03:24] <Jucato> will do
[03:26] <Jucato> so the process should be: diff -ruN, then put in debian/ stuff, then run debuild -S, then debdiff?
[03:30] <manchicken> nixternal: Java is supposed to come easy.  It was designed to be safe and easy for the most moronic programmers.
[03:30] <Jucato> lol! I almost read that in a positive light until the second to the last word
[03:30] <manchicken> It's a positive light for nixternal :)
[03:30] <manchicken> Not for Java though :)
[03:31] <Jucato> lol
[03:32] <manchicken> Java was intentionally designed to be safe even in the hands of those who lack a grasp on basic programming fundamentals.
[03:32] <manchicken> No joke.
[03:33] <manchicken> The phrase "pointers are scary" even appeared in Sun's marketing materials at one point.
[03:33] <nixternal> hey, I need a screenshot of what the current translator tab looks like in konqi or such application, something that uses the kdelibs, so I can finish this kdelibs translators patch sometime in my life :)
[03:33] <nixternal> highlight me if you have one, as I am heading to school now...thanks!
[03:35] <Jucato> nixternal: this one? http://jucato.org/kde/translations.png
[03:35] <Hobbsee> kdebluetooth is semi-stable..
[03:36] <manchicken> Hobbsee: But do you know how to use it with kpilot?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> manchicken: havent tried yet.
[03:37] <manchicken> I can't get it working.
[03:37] <nixternal> thank you Jucato
[03:37] <Jucato> nixternal: that was the right one? you're welcome :)
[03:37] <manchicken> Hobbsee: My phone is actually my external backup brain.
[03:38] <manchicken> Hobbsee: For times when it's important to remember something, I just can't quite remember what.
[03:38] <nixternal> that was the one I wanted, thanks again
[03:39] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:39] <nixternal> err, manchicken, ya that is one thing that java really lacks, the pointers
[03:39] <nixternal> ok, now I go to school :)
[03:39] <manchicken> nixternal: And OS interfaces
[03:39] <nixternal> damn you
[03:40] <Jucato> multiple inheritance...
[03:40] <nixternal> let me go to school! :)  qt jambi ftw!
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> if ATI releases new drivers this week, will they make it into the repositories for Gutsy?
[05:07] <Jucato> Riddell: um... no luck. pbuilder fails with the same undefined reference errors. but "debuild binary" produces a working .deb :(
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where do we grab the cmake.mk from?
[05:18] <Jucato> So here's the situation with dolphin now. I've been able to make a patch for Restore and Empty Trash. But I can only build a deb using "debuild binary". pbuilder fails at linking (Undefined reference to)
[05:18] <Jucato> Debdiff: http://jucato.org/kde/dolphin.debdiff and patch: http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntu_05_trash_contextmenu.diff
[05:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: for what?
[05:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's in strigi or any kde4 package
[05:19] <Riddell> Jucato: I'll have a go at compiling it
[05:19] <Jucato> uploading the deb I produced from debuild
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, thanks.
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gizmod
[05:20] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/kde/dolphin_0.9.1-0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[05:38] <Riddell> mhb: can I see your patch for pyqt dbus issue?
[05:39] <manchicken> sebas: ping
[05:40] <Riddell> he's busy trying to get through london
[05:40] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:45] <manchicken> Ooh, looks like U.K. folks have just as much trouble with crackpot judges as the rest of us.
[05:55] <manchicken> Wow, system76 already got the "powered by: ubuntu linux" stickers to me.
[05:55] <manchicken> We need some "powered by: kubuntu gnu/linux" stickers
[06:01] <manchicken> akregator needs a "start on login" option
[06:02] <Jucato> fetch on startup not enough?
[06:02] <Jucato> ah in Kontact?
[06:02] <Jucato> if it's in kontact, the behavior is a bit... awry
[06:05] <Riddell> manchicken: UK doesn't have judges since it contains two entirely separate legal systems
[06:05] <manchicken> Riddell: Interesting.
[06:06] <Riddell> (the same goes for education system, health system etc)
[06:06] <manchicken> Riddell: I was referring to an article put out by the BBC about a judge from the UK who wants to have all folks who live in or visit the UK to have their DNA put into a database.
[06:07] <Riddell> that would seem to be a political comment from a judge, which means he's likely to get into trouble
[06:07] <manchicken> Although the same article says that Scotland has a very reasonable rule requiring information collected from folks who haven't been convicted or confessed be removed.
[06:07] <manchicken> Riddell: He's a big appeals judge from what it sounds like.
[06:08] <manchicken> I guess he's unhappy with racially disproportionate information in the criminal information databases.
[06:08] <Riddell> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6980188.stm  yes, England and Wales only
[06:09] <manchicken> Ah.
[06:10] <manchicken> Is that a provincial thing, or is there some sort of federal legal system?  Over here we have a legal system at the national level, state level, county level, and municipal level.
[06:11] <ScottK> Isn't Northern Ireland yet a third system then?
[06:20] <Riddell> manchicken: it's a national thing, different countries have different systems
[06:21] <Riddell> ScottK: probably, nobody understands how they're governed so they just get ignored mostly
[06:21] <manchicken> I thought they UK was supposed to be a country in and of itself...
[06:21] <manchicken> Why do Europeans have to over-complicate stuff?
[06:21] <manchicken> heh
[06:22] <ScottK> manchicken: What does UK stand for?
[06:22] <manchicken> United Kingdom last I checked.
[06:22] <manchicken> If there are multiple legal systems, that doesn't sound all that united to me.
[06:22] <ScottK> That's actually a shorthand for The United Kingdoms of England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.
[06:23] <Riddell> manchicken: it's a union (as is the EU)
[06:23] <ScottK> Note that the list has varied over time.
[06:23] <manchicken> Oh really? Interesting.
[06:23] <Jucato> when I was a kid, I think it was United Kingdom of Great Britain
[06:23] <manchicken> So it should be taught as "United Kingdom*S*" and not "United Kingdom"
[06:23] <manchicken> That makes much more sense.
[06:23] <Riddell> Jucato: still is (and Northern Ireland)
[06:23] <ScottK> That's more correct.
[06:23] <Jucato> aaah
[06:23] <Riddell> manchicken: there's only one monarch
[06:24] <Jucato> United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?
[06:24] <manchicken> Interesting.
[06:24] <manchicken> Sounds like it's all just very confused.
[06:25] <Lure> Riddell: can you fix your strigi tray to also work properly for other positions of the tray/panel?
[06:25] <Riddell> manchicken: it's not federal, the Prime Minster and various ministers are from scottish constituencies and have not been voted in by English people yet govern several England only departements
[06:25] <Lure> Riddell: I have panel on top and entry box is not visible at all
[06:25] <Riddell> Lure: mm, right, I forgot to do that
[06:25] <manchicken> Riddell: That doesn't sound logical.
[06:25] <Riddell> Jucato: that's the one
[06:25] <Lure> Riddell: I do not know katapult, but could we make integration for strigi?
[06:26] <Riddell> manchicken: shrug, if the English want to be governed by Scotland it's not my concern
[06:26] <ScottK> It is an odd turn of events though.
[06:26] <milian> ein supergelauntes "Hallo" in die Runde werf :)
[06:26] <manchicken> Riddell: I suppose it is their country... I get the EU, but the UK still seems very... complex.
[06:26] <Riddell> seems only natual, they've been governing scotland for many decades
[06:27] <manchicken> heh
[06:27] <Riddell> manchicken: I suspect you don't get the EU, most Europeans don't understand its system of governance
[06:27] <Jucato> gr... all this talk now has gotten that buckingham palace tune in my head...
[06:27] <manchicken> I suppose turnabout is fair play, but still, it seems like there's a lot of very complicated legalese going on there that doesn't seem predictable or logical.
[06:28] <Jucato> Lure: nah, you just walked in an geopolitical conference :)
[06:28] <manchicken> Riddell: I think I understand it more than I understand the UK.
[06:28] <manchicken> Lure: It's always been the geopolitics channel, you just haven't been paying attention :P
[06:28] <Lure> manchicken: lol
[06:30] <ScottK> manchicken: We have our complexities and they have theirs.  Go and show me where in the Constitution is says the Supreme Court gets to decide if laws are constitutional.
[06:32] <manchicken> ScottK: Separation of powers matey :)
[06:33] <Jucato> Riddell: any luck with dolphin? Maybe one day when I get familiar with the complexities of automake, I'll figure out what's wrong
[06:33] <Jucato> until then, I have to leave it in more able hands and minds :)
[06:33] <ScottK> manchicken: It doesn't actually say that they get that power though.
[06:33] <manchicken> It does say they get the power to check the legislative branch.  That's exactly what that means.
[06:33] <ScottK> manchicken: It was asserted in (IIRC Marbury vs Madison in 1803) and has stood as precdent since.
[06:34] <Lure> anybody working on bug 137404
[06:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137404 in knetworkmanager "[gutsy amd64]  knetworkmanager executable missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137404
[06:34] <manchicken> A correct precedent, if you ask me :)
[06:34] <manchicken> Lure: That sounds like an odd bug.
[06:34] <manchicken> I can't replicate that bug....
[06:34] <manchicken> My wife is running gutsy on amd64 and it's not having that problem.
[06:34] <Lure> manchicken: I lost knetworkmanager myself - just noticed now
[06:34] <manchicken> Unless it's in an update that was put in today.
[06:35] <ScottK> I lost it today on i386 too.
[06:35] <ScottK> It doesn't work anyway.
[06:35] <Lure> manchicken: I have network-manager-kde installed, but there is no binary in
[06:35] <manchicken> WEIRD
[06:35] <manchicken> I suppose I've lost it as well.
[06:36] <Lure> it seems it is Riddell's fault ;-) he is last uploader...
[06:36] <Riddell> the binary should be in network-manager-kde
[06:36] <Lure> and it is not in knetworkmanager package either...
[06:37] <Riddell> hrm
[06:37] <Lure> Riddell: but it is not... Maybe due to wrong arch?
[06:37] <Lure> no, arch is ok
[06:38] <Lure> Riddell: hurry up, I need working wifi when basketball game starts in 20 minutes
[06:38] <Lure> ;-)
[06:39] <Jucato> lol
[06:39] <Riddell> oh, it'll be because it now has two packages being built instead of one
[06:39] <Riddell> so needs .install files
[06:39] <Riddell> Jucato: dolphin needed a patch for automake 1.10
[06:40] <Riddell> Jucato: I don't see any restore action in the wastebin though
[06:41] <Jucato> Riddell: Restore is only available if you right-click on an item. Empty is only available if you right-click inside the trash folder
[06:41] <Jucato> just like in Konqueror
[06:43] <Jucato> Riddell: how do I do the automake patch?
[06:43] <Riddell> Empty Deleted Items Folder
[06:43] <Riddell> ah, Restore, gotit
[06:44] <Riddell> not ideal, it should be in with the other actions, but good enough
[06:44] <Jucato> yay!
[06:44] <Jucato> I just copied the behavior from Konqueror :)
[06:44] <Lure> Riddell: what is the status of python-qt4-dbus fix in re to kblueplugd?
[06:44] <Riddell> Jucato: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_00_automake10.diff
[06:44] <Riddell> Lure: dunno, I need to get it off mhb
[06:45] <Lure> Riddell: are we hunting doko still or is mhb working on debdiff?
[06:47] <Riddell> Jucato: works great, shall I upload?
[06:47] <Jucato> yay! :)
[06:47] <Jucato> thanks
[06:47] <Riddell> Lure: really not sure, we need to wait for mhb to turn up
[06:47] <Lure> Riddell: no problem, will ask him when around
[06:48] <Lure> Riddell: we just need fix before beta
[06:48] <Riddell> I agree
[06:48] <Riddell> I'm away from saturday too
[06:52] <Jucato> Riddell: just out of curiousity, how did you know that it needed an automake patch?
[06:52] <Riddell> Jucato: because it errored when I ran buildprep
[06:53] <Jucato> oh buildprep! I think I forgot to do that :(
[06:54] <Riddell> the good news is that buildprep nonsense goes away in KDE 4
[06:55] <Jucato> because of cmake?
[06:55] <Riddell> yes
[06:55] <Jucato> heh nice :)
[06:55] <Jucato> but I will remember that command now, since it could have saved me the headache :)
[06:56] <Riddell> hmm, no stefans, did he package the new d3lphin?
[06:56] <Jucato> hm.. I think he mentioned that he had it prepared
[06:57] <Jucato> [Tue Sep 4 2007]  [21:19:31]  <_StefanS_> Jucato: basic dolphin 0.9.2 package seems to work now. Just need existing patches and your compress servicemenu integrated.
[06:59] <Riddell> I'll e-mail him
[07:03] <Jucato> yay! I just realized that this is my 2nd patch submitted to Kubuntu! both with Riddell's help. Thanks!! :)
[07:04] <Riddell> you rock Jucato
[07:04] <Jucato> you help me rock! :)
[07:04] <Jucato> the first patch was umbrello heheh
[07:18] <Riddell> Lure, manchicken: knetworkmanager fix uploaded
[07:18] <Lure> Riddell: thanks!
[07:19] <manchicken> Much thanks.
[07:25] <Jucato> heading for bed. thanks again Riddell! and you too nixternal! :)
[07:28] <Riddell> sleep well
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Jucato got dolphin sorted?
[08:05] <Riddell> he did
[08:09] <DaSkreech> Great :)
[08:19] <DaSkreech> Somone is telling me that they installed Kopete on a Ubuntu machine two days ago and it nearly trashed it
[08:19] <DaSkreech> apparently the dependencies are wrong
[08:26] <manchicken> Feisty?
[08:27] <manchicken> I'm wondering if they failed to install the dependencies completely.
[08:27] <ScottK> That's generally tough to pull off.
[08:28] <Riddell> can't imagine it would trash anything
[08:29] <Riddell> hi froud
[08:29] <froud> hi Riddell
[08:57] <DaSkreech> Well I think they had edgy with kopete on it
[08:57] <DaSkreech>  installed Feisty clean and installed kopete
[08:57] <DaSkreech>  The kdelibs pulled down and broke on installation
[08:57] <DaSkreech>  then apt-get -f install wouldn't work
[08:58] <DaSkreech>  then it started screwing with his machine
[08:58] <DaSkreech> so he purged
[08:58] <DaSkreech> I'll actually go and look at his system some time and see what the issue is
[09:40] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping
[09:40] <nixternal> yo yo
[09:40] <nixternal> !nixternal
[09:40] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Did you get my message?
[09:40] <DaSkreech> the other day
[09:40] <nixternal> crimsun: I finally installed Vista :p
[09:40] <DaSkreech> I still want one of those :)
[09:40] <nixternal> 30 minutes is all it took
[09:41] <nixternal> DaSkreech: what was the message?
[09:41] <DaSkreech> nixternal: To reformat?
[09:41] <DaSkreech> nixternal: to speak to dinounix
[09:41] <nixternal> hrmm
[09:41] <nixternal> I don't remember
[09:41] <nixternal> who is dinounix?
[09:41] <DaSkreech> lurker in #distrowatch
[09:41] <DaSkreech> might be worth your time to drop in and say hello to him
[09:41] <nixternal> OK, why did you want me to speak to him?
[09:42] <nixternal> the name if familiar
[09:42] <DaSkreech> well he spoke to you but apparently communication broke down
[09:42] <nixternal> huh?
[09:42] <DaSkreech> something about Docs
[09:42] <DaSkreech> I forget now but i remember it would be worth your while to drop in and say hi to him :)
[09:43] <nixternal> kubuntu docs or kde docs?
[09:43] <nixternal> I think he used to hang out in #kde-docs maybe
[09:43] <DaSkreech> seems more like kde docs
[09:44] <nixternal> man, I hate starting fires and then having to put them out
[09:44] <nixternal> people need to use email more I think....I tend to shun off IRC messages it seems unless they are important
[09:44] <nixternal> I must have become all high and mighty now :p
[09:44] <DaSkreech> ha ha
[09:45] <DaSkreech> Guess that means I should e-mail you before you go talk to him?
[09:45] <nixternal> is he online now?
[09:45] <nixternal> does he know you told me to speak to him?
[09:46] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:46] <nixternal> well, obviously whois says he is online
[10:04] <nixternal> sure
[10:16] <sahin_h> Riddell and Lure: The latest kdepim enterprise snapshot still has the IMAP bug.
[10:17] <Lure> sahin_h: bad for you :-(, but good to know ;-)
[10:17] <sahin_h> Riddell and Lure: kmail mar my messages unread again in the IMAP foldres.
[10:17] <Lure> sahin_h: I have seen some commits today that sound like your problem
[10:18] <sahin_h> Lure: So is there hope?
[10:18] <Lure> sahin_h: I could upload a test package with that change for you to test
[10:18] <Lure> sahin_h: but no promise
[10:19] <Lure> sahin_h: this sounds very much like your problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36488/
[10:19] <sahin_h> Lure: This is better then nothing.
[10:19] <sahin_h> Lure: I will check... just a moment.
[10:19] <Lure> sahin_h: it was merged from some other branch, so I would think it was in svn (as they claimed), just not yet in enterprise branch that we are pulling
[10:20] <sahin_h> Yes, I think this is the IMAP bug what I've seen.
[10:20] <Lure> sahin_h: do you use imap or dimap (cached/disconnected)
[10:20] <Lure> sahin_h: I use dimap and do not have this problem
[10:20] <sahin_h> Lure: I'm sure, because I start every test from scratch.
[10:21] <sahin_h> Lure: First I delete all of the kmail settings, and configure again.
[10:21] <sahin_h> Lure: Because I try to prevent some kind of configuration problem.
[10:22] <sahin_h> Lure: And yes, the probelm is always occurs on initial folder downloads.
[10:23] <Lure> sahin_h: you use imap or dimap?
[10:23] <sahin_h> Lure: I'm going to check what will be happen when I've done the folder downloads already.
[10:23] <sahin_h> Lure: Usualy I use dimap.
[10:24] <sahin_h> Lure: But imap and dimap are also affected.
[10:24] <Lure> sahin_h: interesting, as I do not see this (dimap on MS Exchange 2003 IMAP server)
[10:25] <sahin_h> Lure: For testing I use imap, because in this case the inital download screw up only one folder.
[10:25] <Lure> sahin_h: but I belive you and fix is one liner, so I will upload now to ppa
[10:25] <sahin_h> Lure: I use MS Exhange 2003 (and 2007 very soon).
[10:25] <Lure> sahin_h: interesting...
[10:26] <sahin_h> Lure: ... as IMAP server.
[10:26] <Lure> sahin_h: same here, which makes it even stranger...
[10:26] <Lure> but anyway, I have just uploaded source to ppa, it should build in around 1-1.5 hours
[10:27] <Lure> fix is simple (one line of code), so it should build properly ;-)
[10:27] <Lure> sahin_h: are you on amd64 or i386?
[10:27] <sahin_h> Lure: Currently on i386.
[10:28] <Lure> sahin_h: good, as I can only build i386 and PPA has some bug on amd64 and does not work always
[10:28] <Lure> sahin_h: is there a bug in LP about this issue?
[10:29] <manchicken> Sweet, a KDE guidance backend :)
[10:29] <manchicken> new one that is
[10:29] <manchicken> Nevermind me.
[10:29] <manchicken> I'm just excited at the prospect of not having the power manager acting stupid.
[10:29] <sahin_h> Lure: Sorry, I don't understand your last question.
[10:30] <Lure> sahin_h: is there a bug opened in Ubuntu buch tracker (Launchpad)?
[10:30] <sahin_h> Lure: Not yet.
[10:31] <sahin_h> Lure: Because when I first report the problem here, Riddel told me ask for help on #kontact first.
[10:31] <Lure> sahin_h: no problem
[10:31] <Lure> sahin_h: we are on to it, and you are testing like hell all our re-tries (really appretiated)
[10:34] <sahin_h> Lure: I'm did a double check against this bug...
[10:34] <sahin_h> Lure: ... it's only occurs on initial download only.
[10:35] <Lure> sahin_h: ok, that is the reason I do not see it (as I have status cached)
[10:35] <sahin_h> Lure: It's looks like you found my bug in the svn.
[10:37] <sahin_h> Lure: Ok. I'm going to delete my IMAP account again from Kontact.
[10:37] <sahin_h> Lure: I'm waiting for your test packages, and I'm also ready for more kmail tests.
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hi, I packaged dolphin, although I still need some 2 patches to go with it
[10:42] <Riddell> _StefanS_: great
[10:42] <Riddell> what 2 patches?
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: disable iso service, add system bookmark, change name to dolphin
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I had a bit of understanding to do about version bumping a .deb package
[10:43] <Riddell> make a new .orig and add a changelog entry
[10:43] <Lure> sahin_h: source is in archive and you can watch how it builds here: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yep, I figured that out now :D just took me some time to understand exactly how the version was handled.
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm working on it now
[10:44] <Lure> sahin_h: you need this version: 4:3.5.7enterprise20070904-0ubuntu2~ppa~lure1
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you get that patch for kde-guidance I sent you btw ?
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: userconfig stuff
[10:44] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes, I uploaded and e-mailed you back
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oh :D
[10:44] <Riddell> earlier today
[10:45] <Lure> sahin_h: build will start in some minutes (I hope) and it takes around 1 hour (from past experience)
[10:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well, I gotta get my reading glasses ;)
[10:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you close the bug ?
[10:45] <Riddell> yes, I think so
[10:45] <_StefanS_> cool.
[10:46] <sahin_h> Lure: And where can I will find this package? (After when the build will be finished.)
[10:47] <Riddell> _StefanS_: so you copied over the debian directory?
[10:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well, yes.. But i'm just doing the packaging the correct way now, and will include patches as nessecary.
[10:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: including jucato's compress thingy
[10:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I probably need a build-prep also, right?
[10:49] <Lure> sahin_h: status of build: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive/+builds?build_text=kdepim&build_state=all
[10:49] <Riddell> yes, fakeroot make -f debian/rules buildprep
[10:49] <_StefanS_> got it.
[10:49] <Lure> sahin_h: in order to get package, add this to /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update/upgrade
[10:49] <Lure> sahin_h: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lure/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[10:49] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nice, seems like the existing patches apply well.
[10:50] <Lure> sahin_h: ^^^ this is the line to add to file
[10:50] <sahin_h> Lure: Ok, I see.
[10:51] <_StefanS_> damn this Logitech Ultraflat keyboard is wierd.
[10:51] <_StefanS_> or my fingers are just too big :)
[10:53] <Lure> sahin_h: ok, build just started, so 1 hour to build + some time (10-15 minutes I think) to get published in repository
[10:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do I need to clean up something else in the old source dir?
[10:54] <sahin_h> Lure: That's raesonable for me.
[10:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I get a "unrepresentable changes to source.."
[10:55] <Lure> allee: good evening!
[10:55] <allee> Lure: same to you
[10:57] <allee> Lure: was there a conclusion what to do with (lib)gphoto2?
[10:58] <Lure> allee: not really
[10:58] <Lure> allee: pitti is back next week and we should probably first check with him
[10:58] <allee> Lure: ah, okay.  thx for the info
[10:58] <nixternal> Riddell: has beta2 been announced yet? I am seeing the .93 uploads in changes
[10:59] <Lure> allee: I might try it before (merge & stuff), but not sure (busy week and weekend)
[11:00] <Lure> allee: thanks, it took a while to get to something semi stable
[11:00] <Lure> allee: we are still hunting one imap issue down with sahin_w
[11:01] <Lure> allee: lol
[11:01] <allee> Lure: that reminds me to have a look at the backport for 0.9.2 bugs ...
[11:01] <Lure> allee: c&p is so 90's ;-)
[11:02] <allee> Lure: you can't imaging how often a day I celebrate the 90's :)
[11:02] <Lure> allee: yep, it seems 0.9.3 will be a bit late for gutsy
[11:02] <Lure> allee: it should be pretty straightforward to backport, right (0.9.3 did not change that much in general)
[11:03] <allee> Lure: yes, for mandriva too.  So Gilles took the time to collect list of fixed bug report interesting for 0.9.2
[11:03] <allee> Lure: that was what gilles told me too I'l will see.
[11:40] <Riddell> nixternal: no
[11:40] <Riddell> nixternal: but suse have it uploaded so I follow them
[11:41] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it will say what the unrepresentable change is
[11:41] <Riddell> "cannot represent changes to.."
[11:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I solved it in the meantime
[11:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell:  no worries
[11:41] <Riddell> _StefanS_: groovy, so package is all done?
[11:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well, almost. I'm adding jucato's compress now
[11:45] <Riddell> _StefanS_: didn't you just copy over the whole debian directory?
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I did
[11:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: but I had to extract the new source and remove the old stuff to make it build
[11:47] <_StefanS_> R
[11:47] <Riddell> _StefanS_: remove what old stuff?
[11:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: also some of the patches are a bit off on the new source
[11:47] <_StefanS_> R
[11:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: src, doc, admin, configure and so on
[11:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: and extract dolphin_0.9.2_orig.tar.gz
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: buildprep after that,. and it worked
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: am I doing it wrong?
[11:48] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Seen Aarons's blog about installing kubuntu for his inlaw?
[11:52] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I'm not sure why you would remove those files
[11:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I read somewhere that it was the only way to make it build, since that error implied that dpkg couldn't handle the amount of changes from the new version
[11:53] <Riddell> _StefanS_: none of those should be changed from the .orig (except for automake stuff)
[11:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so in short, could you describe what you would do ?
[11:56] <Riddell> _StefanS_: download tar from author, rename to dolphin_0.9.2.orig.tar.gz, uncompress it, move to dolphin-0.9.2, copy over debian/ directory from old package, buildprep, debuild
[11:59] <_StefanS_> Riddell: you forgot the changelog entry, right?
[11:59] <Riddell> so I did
[12:00] <_StefanS_> trying the steps now.
[12:01] <_StefanS_> just generally, I dont understand the point of having the orig file if you're going to extract it anyways (?)
[12:05] <Riddell> well that's the source package
[12:05] <Riddell> that's what we upload to the archives for the buildds to build
[12:05] <Riddell> (along with a .diff.gz which contains the stuff in the debian directory and any other changes, and the .dsc which has MD5 sums)
[12:06] <_StefanS_> ah ok, thanks for explaning
[12:06] <Lure> sahin_h: kdepim is available in ppa - you can try it now
[12:07] <sahin_h> Lure: I'm just upgrading my test machine right now. ;-)
[12:08] <sahin_h> Lure: The packages installed like a charm... Now let;s
[12:08] <sahin_h> Lure: ...see
[12:16] <sahin_h> Lure: I have good news for you!
[12:17] <Lure> sahin_h: great ;-)
[12:17] <sahin_h> Lure: The imap problem goes away!
[12:17] <sahin_h> Lure: That was my longest 8 minutes ever. The network connection between my home and the office is terrible tonight.
[12:18] <Lure> sahin_h: great
[12:18] <sahin_h> Lure: I'm going to test it against dimap too.
[12:18] <Lure> sahin_h: are you fine to use package from my ppa for some days?
[12:19] <sahin_h> Lure: Sure, no problem.
[12:19] <Lure> sahin_h: I would wait until end of week if some othe bug pops up or fix in svn and then request Riddell to upload new version
[12:19] <Lure> sahin_h: if nothing else pops up, we would upload just this single fix
[12:19] <Lure> sahin_h: and thanks for testing this so many times
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: got the patches working now. Building.
[12:20] <sahin_h> Lure: Ok. No problem. And I'm also interesting about a perfect kmail application as a user.
[12:22] <Lure> anyway, time to get some sleep - good nite all
[12:22] <sahin_h> Lure: Good Night!
[12:25] <_StefanS_> Riddell: jucato's compress works, however System and Users folders are not.
[12:27] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ah.. it works. My local settings overwrote the default.