=== n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:44] ScottK: no, since I don't use ldap for mail auth, or maildrop === ryanakca prods sbuild === ryanakca thinks it's hanging [12:50] OK. [12:50] Thanks for looking === ^SaRgE^ [n=jose@144.Red-88-2-126.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:55] herm. Second time X crashes today [01:03] ryanakca: ppa needs .orig. === mike_moose [n=mike@207.162.211.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:05] Hi. [01:05] hi mike_moose [01:05] Riddell: yeah, dput -f ppa kdebase_3.5.7-1ubuntu18_source.changes should do it, right? [01:06] Might anyone have an idea why kwallet wants to put its config files in ~/share/config instead of ~/.kde/share/config ? [01:06] mike_moose: yes, I'm working on it [01:07] ryanakca: you need to use -sa for debuild so it includes the .orig [01:07] Ah === ryanakca nods... I had dropped it since your comment on just needing -S yesterday :) [01:09] yeah, sorry, it doesn't need -sa for uploading to the ubuntu archive [01:09] since it already has the .orig === nathan_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@04-019.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robertknight2 [n=robert@host86-142-59-95.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robertknight2 [n=robert@host86-142-59-95.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Good-bye"] === robertknight2 [n=robert@host86-142-59-95.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:56] fabo: I added http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_02_fix_html_header.diff as a quick fix for the strigi header issue === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] nixternal: kubuntu-docs uploaded [02:20] groovy :) === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.125] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:26] ryanakca: kdebase uploaded [02:27] Riddell: ? to ppa, or to Ubuntu? === ryanakca checks PPA [02:27] i this beta2? [02:30] ryanakca: ubuntu [02:30] nosrednaekim: no [02:30] Riddell: cool, thanks [02:30] I'll commit to bzr === nosrednaekim goes back to waiting patiently === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:30] nosrednaekim: it's in the kubuntu-members ppa for gutsy [02:30] but it's not released yet so I'm not sure why everyone is so impatient [02:31] cause Troy Unrau posted a great review of it. [02:31] beta2 of KDE4? [02:31] and? === Jucato sleepily waves good morning... [02:32] morning Jucato [02:32] moin ryanakca... [02:32] morning? where are you from Jucato? [02:32] waaaay over southeast asia [02:33] is it a bad thing when you start to dream about the code/patch that you weren't able to finish before sleeping? :( [02:33] you've got it bad.. [02:34] Ouch [02:35] oh well.. start workig on it again :/ === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:38] moin Hobbsee [02:38] Hey Hobbsee [02:39] your .Xmodmap patch got uploaded :D [02:39] hiya [02:40] yay, thankyou :) [02:41] Hobbsee: thank Riddell :) === ryanakca removes kdebase from his ppa [02:41] you can remove things? [02:41] hi Riddell [02:41] I think so, at least according to the FAQ [02:42] s/faq/quick-start guide [02:42] How long are packages published? [02:42] Packages will remain published until either you remove them yourself, or you supersede them with newer versions, or the underlying release of Ubuntu against which they were built becomes obsolete and unmaintained. [02:43] I don't think there's a way to remove them yet [02:43] but let me know if you find different === ryanakca nods === coreymon_ [n=coreymon@74.122.224.238] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:02] Riddell: could I borrow you for a while? :( === mike_moose [n=mike@207.162.211.130] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [03:14] I added a new build-dep to dolphin, libkonq4-dev. But debuild fails on linking. the error I get is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36391/ [03:14] /home/jucato/Developer/KDE/dolphin/dolphin-0.9.1/./src/dolphin.cpp:568: undefined reference to `KonqOperations::restoreTrashedItems(KURL::List const&)' [03:15] ignore the path with the "Developer" in there :P [03:18] 0.o === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:19] o.O [03:20] hi bddebian! === Jucato wonders where nixternal is... :( [03:20] Hi Jucato === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-254-18-21.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:25] if I added a new #include in the code, and added a new build-dep in debian/control, is there some other file I need to update/modify? === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-57-89.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:30] ok I'm stumped :( [03:30] brb.. gonna fix me some hot choco [03:32] wow finally got a good hotel internet connection === jjesse might just finish his svn check out of everything === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.61.126] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:35] yay? :) [03:36] oh crap... === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-176-33.village.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal is right here === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@72.252.28.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubuntu is now known as DaSkreech [04:40] hi Hobbsee [04:40] and umm the Remote [04:40] and Jucato [04:40] hiya [04:46] hhi [04:58] ok I give up! [05:01] I win! [05:01] what do you win? [05:02] we're all just going to have to live with a half-functional trash management in Dolphin for one whole release [05:04] which half? [05:04] the half where you can't Restore or Empty in Dolphin [05:04] (you can empty from the Trash kicker applet though) === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:08] :( [05:13] hm.. maybe I'm doing this all wrong... === Jucato does again === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-57-89.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Aranel [n=Aranel@unaffiliated/aranel] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Aranel [n=Aranel@unaffiliated/aranel] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Microsoft] === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino [n=bart@fireext.wenk.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-217.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-009-013.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino_ [n=bart@d51A4BA18.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-025-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.250.81] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.250.81] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino_ is now known as Stecchino === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:06] Jucato: how did you get on? [11:07] (heh yay just woke up...) [11:07] Riddell: I'm having a linking problem. I think that's the only problem now [11:07] something like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36391/ [11:09] probably needs -lkonq somewhere [11:09] hm... that's what I suspected... only problem is I don't know where :( === Stecchino [n=bart@d51A4BA18.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato hasn't dived into Makefiles just yet [11:10] Makefile.am [11:10] d3lphin_LDADD = $(LIB_KFILE) $(LIB_KDEPRINT) [11:10] try d3lphin_LDADD = $(LIB_KFILE) $(LIB_KDEPRINT) -lkonq [11:11] will do [11:11] then fakeroot make -f debian/rules buildprep [11:11] debuild [11:13] d3lphin_LDADD = $(LIB_KFILE) $(LIB_KDEPRINT) can't seem to find that particular line === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:17] perhaps in acinclude.m4? [11:19] in src/Makefile.am [11:19] ah krap! hehe sorry === never|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-118-042.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:25] Riddell: that -lkonq is a small letter L or a capital i? (sorry, sans serif here :P) [11:26] Jucato: small [11:26] I see. [11:26] big -L is for library directories to search in, small -l is for the name of the library (missing the lib...so) [11:29] I used debuild -rfakeroot binary to make a quick deb that I can test... yay! restore works! [11:30] and this 2nd way I implemented it localizes the changes in dolphincontext.cpp only [11:31] dang! who could have known my error was that easy to resolve :) thanks Riddell [11:31] now trying to implement Empty Trash === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1cb6:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ^SaRgE^ [n=jose@144.Red-88-2-126.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:18] Riddell: a hurried debdiff: http://jucato.org/kde/dolphin.debdiff [12:18] still waiting for pbuilder to finish, so I can test a proper .deb [12:19] but that one works (debuild binary) [12:19] yay [12:20] hehe... I can't believe how many somersaults I did... and the final solution was actually simple :( [12:20] we are about to send ubuntu to our (finnish) parliament, and I volunteered to media contact [12:20] yay === Tm_P is in uni class atm [12:21] Tm_P: send in which way? [12:21] Tm_P: not kubuntu? [12:22] Jucato: your .diff contains files in the debian dir [12:23] oh... [12:23] Riddell: Ubuntu only, we deliver cds with letters to them [12:24] Riddell: hehe sorry about that. I suck at debdiffs. but here's the original patch: http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntu_05_trash_contextmenu.diff === Jucato apologizes profusely [12:25] Riddell: I explain it properly when I get to keyboard [12:25] Riddell: but I also changed debian/control to add libkonq4-dev as a build-dep === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DBA4.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:28] sahin_h: new kdepim should be up for testing [12:28] Riddell: Ok. Unfortunately today there's a little chance to reach my imap server at company. :-( [12:29] Riddell: However tomorrow morning at last will be a fine day for testing. [12:29] gone -> === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-100-208.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-127-194.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] is it possible to remove strigi-* and not remove otehr kde packages? [01:10] Riddell: is there a good reason why we do not use apport also for kde apps? I think it is much better than crash handler [01:10] Riddell: btw, kmail just crashed on me and no way to get stack trace now [01:11] Lure: there is an apport-qt i thought [01:11] it was introduced in feisty [01:11] gnomefreak: I know, problem is that kde apps have own (kde) crash handler and not using apport crash handler [01:11] oh [01:11] gnomefreak: only pykde/pyqt apps use apport [01:12] python crash reports dont give good retrace with apport (atleast in feisty) [01:12] gnomefreak: I recall some concerns from Riddell in past (feisty cycle), but not sure if they are still valid now that apport is proven technology [01:13] gnomefreak: gutsy is slightly better on python front [01:13] i havent had a crash in a long time in gutsy [01:13] should crash something to see :) [01:17] Riddell: i tend to agree with lure to turn off or use as backup the kde apps crash handler and use apport as main === jpetso [n=jpetso@pnsgw1-client230.demo.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] gnomefreak: yes, you can remove strigidaemon [01:19] ok cool ty [01:20] Lure: my main concern is that most crashes are upstream issues, so there's little point in reporting them to us [01:21] Riddell: agreed, but kde crash handler (w/o debug info) is useless [01:22] Riddell: upstream (kde) just tell you back that you need to run debug build, which our users cannot (easily) [01:22] Riddell: it is easy to push apport crashes to upstream by bug triage team then [01:23] users can install kdepim-dbg easily enough [01:23] Riddell: I have not seen many actually did/or was told to, so bugs stay in stuck state [01:24] I just think that with apport we can better relay our users to kde developers (quicker, less fuss for the user) [01:24] and I do not see obvious benefit of kde crash handler compared to apport (beside that it is different, but I am not concerned as you should rarely see it anyway) [01:26] being different isn't a benefit [01:26] I guess the QA team should be asked if they want to forward crashes upstream [01:30] Riddell: they do this for other projects, don't they? [01:30] Riddell: and I see more and more upstream projects directly working with LP (for example kde-apps products) [01:34] what kde apps work with launchpad? === Starting logfile irclogs/kubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | Meeting Thursday 1300UTC === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Tue Sep 4 16:28:22 2007 [02:00] sebas: ping [02:01] Riddell: Do you have a source for neat kubuntu apparel, or do you just use cafepress? [02:02] http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prodpopup.aspx?prod=146940344&colorCode=White [02:02] Dacia and I are going to buy that for our little girl. [02:02] I do believe she'll look smashing in it. [02:03] there's a kubuntu cafepress shop? [02:04] No, there's just a logo up. [02:04] Neat, powermanager just told me that my battery has been removed. [02:21] Riddell: soundkonverter guy does bug triage on his own for example, I have seen also others [02:21] it looks that for kde-apps guys they do not use kde infrastructure anyway [02:22] manchicken: di you upgrade hal/dbus? [02:22] Riddell: I'm sorry. I really suck at making proper Debian packages right now. the .dsc I made seems not to build in pbuilder. I don't know if libkonq4-dev was installed [02:23] Lure: kde-apps is a great big mix of anything and everything. :) [02:24] Jucato: yep, and apachelogger's effort to get them in kubuntu gives them new users [02:24] Lure: I just ran full upgrades, so yeah :) [02:25] What do I run to get it to reset the battery display? [02:25] manchicken: I think there is bug opened for this, but I consider it as low prio ;-) [02:25] manchicken: hal/dbus does not change that often for released version ;-) [02:25] Lure: Don't do that. We need power management to work. [02:26] manchicken: I need strigi fix first (it crashes on me) [02:26] Of all things that we need to work, folks need to know how much power they have left. [02:26] manchicken: ;-) [02:27] Lure: one of the reasons I wanted to learn packaging was to package stuff from kde-look and kde-apps... unfortunately I suck at even at learning that hahah [02:28] Jucato: but you excel on other fronts! [02:28] Jucato: and no reason to give up ;-) [02:28] Lure: Well if you need a hand with anything, let me know. I may have some time this weekend. [02:28] one day.. one day, I'll really get this packaging thing [02:28] I'm particularly interested in playing with some Python so that I can get a little better there. [02:28] manchicken: you have to kill the power manager and restart it [02:29] manchicken: this weekend I have what I call "opensource on the air" - OpenStreetMap mapping party ;-) [02:29] stdin: Which one? powernowd? powersaved? [02:29] manchicken: just applet [02:29] Ah. [02:29] Okay. [02:29] manchicken: no, just the applet, then restart guidance-power-manager [02:29] ie: just run the command [02:30] There we go. === Stecchino [n=bart@d51A4BA18.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:32] Wow, aptitude thinks that knetworkmanager is unused... [02:32] That's disturbing. [02:33] one problem with aptitude is that sometimes it thinks it's smarter than you :) [02:35] Jucato: You're assuming it's not :P [02:35] In this case it seems to have encountered an unavoidable error. [02:35] apparently it isn't :) [02:37] ok.. now that Dolphin's out of my head.. I can re-focus on C++ === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387EA49.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:38] manchicken: just gave Riddell a patch to put Restore and Empty Trash in D3lphin... [02:38] don't you people ever sleep? [02:38] I like Dolphin :) [02:38] manchicken: now perhaps you'll like it even more :) [02:38] nixternal: There's plenty of time for sleep when you're dead. [02:38] Jucato: Perhaps so :) [02:39] nixternal: You coming to my new Mahomet Mansion for the IlliBuntu meeting on Oct.20? [02:39] ya, I died last night for a few hours :) [02:39] we shall see [02:39] nixternal: let's see I slept at 3am, woke up at around 8am? [02:39] nixternal: I hear that's a common problem in your area. [02:39] I blame the democrats. [02:39] me too [02:39] heh [02:39] I blame them for everything! [02:40] Now it's time to decide if I will be walking the dog or not. [02:50] what's the difference between Makefile.am and Makefile.in? :( [02:53] Makefile.am is used to make a Makefile.in :) [02:53] with automake [02:54] ah ok [02:54] this will be definitely the last time I try making a patch without knowing what I'm doing :( === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:55] and then the Makefile.in is what is used to create the Makefile itself [02:56] and the configure script is the one that does all these? [02:56] you got it [02:56] well configure makes the Makefile [02:57] ah.. [02:59] hm... now I know why pbuilder fails... it seems like it doesn't know that the dolphin I made has a new build-dep on libkonq4-dev... [03:00] you ran debuild -S -sa first, or something similar correct? [03:01] yep. but I think my mistake was that in the .diff, I included the change I made in debian/control :( === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:01] ahh [03:01] http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntu_05_trash_contextmenu.diff [03:01] http://jucato.org/kde/dolphin.debdiff [03:02] if that is in debian/patches, then yes, you don't want it to edit anything in debian/ then [03:02] ya, just remove the the debian/* stuff from the diffs and it should work [03:03] so I should run diff -ruN *before* I change the control and changelog files? === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:05] what I do when I create diffs, is I remove the debian/ directory first === Jucato takes notes [03:05] so I create a tmp/ dir, cd into it, cp -a ../directory, and then rm -rf directory/debian, then cp -a directory/ directory.orig [03:05] next time, when Im going to do something like this, I'll make sure you're around first... :( [03:06] you are fine now with your diff though, all you have to do is delete the lines for the debian/ stuff out of them [03:06] and run debuild -S again? [03:06] yup [03:07] something you might want to look into as well since you are getting into packaging, is possibly setting your pbuilder up with ccache...it speeds up building if you have to attempt to build multimple times [03:07] yeah I think it's cached [03:08] its especially useful so you don't have to go through the entire apt process everytime which is nice === Jucato gives nixternal a cookie and a hug [03:08] how come Java comes so easy to me, and c++ I just flat out suck at [03:09] O.o [03:09] don't go over to the other dark side!! [03:10] java is kind of nice actually...as long as you program it correctly [03:10] and with Qt Jambi, you're not going to be too far from us hehehe [03:10] unless you start doing Mono/.NET stuff... [03:10] heck no [03:10] .NET stuff is garbage [03:11] I have taken a few classes now, and I must say, I don't like much about it [03:11] hehe :) === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:22] nixternal: so far so good, pbuilder notice the new build-dep. thanks :) [03:24] Jucato: let me know when you have a new debdiff [03:24] will do [03:26] so the process should be: diff -ruN, then put in debian/ stuff, then run debuild -S, then debdiff? === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:30] nixternal: Java is supposed to come easy. It was designed to be safe and easy for the most moronic programmers. [03:30] lol! I almost read that in a positive light until the second to the last word [03:30] It's a positive light for nixternal :) [03:30] Not for Java though :) [03:31] lol === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:32] Java was intentionally designed to be safe even in the hands of those who lack a grasp on basic programming fundamentals. [03:32] No joke. [03:33] The phrase "pointers are scary" even appeared in Sun's marketing materials at one point. [03:33] hey, I need a screenshot of what the current translator tab looks like in konqi or such application, something that uses the kdelibs, so I can finish this kdelibs translators patch sometime in my life :) [03:33] highlight me if you have one, as I am heading to school now...thanks! [03:35] nixternal: this one? http://jucato.org/kde/translations.png [03:35] kdebluetooth is semi-stable.. [03:36] Hobbsee: But do you know how to use it with kpilot? [03:37] manchicken: havent tried yet. [03:37] I can't get it working. [03:37] thank you Jucato === Hobbsee is still thinking that this whole "computer + phone connection" thing is strange. [03:37] nixternal: that was the right one? you're welcome :) [03:37] Hobbsee: My phone is actually my external backup brain. [03:38] Hobbsee: For times when it's important to remember something, I just can't quite remember what. [03:38] that was the one I wanted, thanks again === nixternal goes to school [03:39] heh [03:39] err, manchicken, ya that is one thing that java really lacks, the pointers [03:39] ok, now I go to school :) [03:39] nixternal: And OS interfaces [03:39] damn you [03:40] multiple inheritance... [03:40] let me go to school! :) qt jambi ftw! === ScottK-laptop [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:49] Heya === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.39] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-066.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:14] if ATI releases new drivers this week, will they make it into the repositories for Gutsy? === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.50.190] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F1E0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === never|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-92-047.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.125] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:07] Riddell: um... no luck. pbuilder fails with the same undefined reference errors. but "debuild binary" produces a working .deb :( [05:11] Riddell: where do we grab the cmake.mk from? === Hobbsee|Remote is now known as LongPointyStick [05:18] So here's the situation with dolphin now. I've been able to make a patch for Restore and Empty Trash. But I can only build a deb using "debuild binary". pbuilder fails at linking (Undefined reference to) [05:18] Debdiff: http://jucato.org/kde/dolphin.debdiff and patch: http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntu_05_trash_contextmenu.diff [05:18] Hobbsee: for what? [05:18] Hobbsee: it's in strigi or any kde4 package [05:19] Jucato: I'll have a go at compiling it [05:19] uploading the deb I produced from debuild [05:19] Riddell: ah, thanks. [05:19] Riddell: gizmod [05:20] http://jucato.org/kde/dolphin_0.9.1-0ubuntu6_i386.deb [05:38] mhb: can I see your patch for pyqt dbus issue? [05:39] sebas: ping [05:40] he's busy trying to get through london [05:40] Ah. === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:45] Ooh, looks like U.K. folks have just as much trouble with crackpot judges as the rest of us. [05:55] Wow, system76 already got the "powered by: ubuntu linux" stickers to me. [05:55] We need some "powered by: kubuntu gnu/linux" stickers [06:01] akregator needs a "start on login" option [06:02] fetch on startup not enough? [06:02] ah in Kontact? [06:02] if it's in kontact, the behavior is a bit... awry [06:05] manchicken: UK doesn't have judges since it contains two entirely separate legal systems [06:05] Riddell: Interesting. [06:06] (the same goes for education system, health system etc) [06:06] Riddell: I was referring to an article put out by the BBC about a judge from the UK who wants to have all folks who live in or visit the UK to have their DNA put into a database. [06:07] that would seem to be a political comment from a judge, which means he's likely to get into trouble [06:07] Although the same article says that Scotland has a very reasonable rule requiring information collected from folks who haven't been convicted or confessed be removed. [06:07] Riddell: He's a big appeals judge from what it sounds like. [06:08] I guess he's unhappy with racially disproportionate information in the criminal information databases. [06:08] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6980188.stm yes, England and Wales only [06:09] Ah. [06:10] Is that a provincial thing, or is there some sort of federal legal system? Over here we have a legal system at the national level, state level, county level, and municipal level. [06:11] Isn't Northern Ireland yet a third system then? [06:20] manchicken: it's a national thing, different countries have different systems [06:21] ScottK: probably, nobody understands how they're governed so they just get ignored mostly [06:21] I thought they UK was supposed to be a country in and of itself... [06:21] Why do Europeans have to over-complicate stuff? [06:21] heh [06:22] manchicken: What does UK stand for? [06:22] United Kingdom last I checked. === Lure [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:22] If there are multiple legal systems, that doesn't sound all that united to me. [06:22] That's actually a shorthand for The United Kingdoms of England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. [06:23] manchicken: it's a union (as is the EU) [06:23] Note that the list has varied over time. [06:23] Oh really? Interesting. [06:23] when I was a kid, I think it was United Kingdom of Great Britain [06:23] So it should be taught as "United Kingdom*S*" and not "United Kingdom" [06:23] That makes much more sense. [06:23] Jucato: still is (and Northern Ireland) [06:23] That's more correct. [06:23] aaah [06:23] manchicken: there's only one monarch [06:24] United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? [06:24] Interesting. [06:24] Sounds like it's all just very confused. [06:25] Riddell: can you fix your strigi tray to also work properly for other positions of the tray/panel? [06:25] manchicken: it's not federal, the Prime Minster and various ministers are from scottish constituencies and have not been voted in by English people yet govern several England only departements [06:25] Riddell: I have panel on top and entry box is not visible at all [06:25] Lure: mm, right, I forgot to do that === milian [n=milian@p57BB426E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:25] Riddell: That doesn't sound logical. [06:25] Jucato: that's the one [06:25] Riddell: I do not know katapult, but could we make integration for strigi? === Jucato wonders how it would have been if we had something like "United Kingdom of Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao".... [06:26] manchicken: shrug, if the English want to be governed by Scotland it's not my concern [06:26] It is an odd turn of events though. [06:26] ein supergelauntes "Hallo" in die Runde werf :) [06:26] Riddell: I suppose it is their country... I get the EU, but the UK still seems very... complex. [06:26] seems only natual, they've been governing scotland for many decades [06:27] heh [06:27] manchicken: I suspect you don't get the EU, most Europeans don't understand its system of governance [06:27] gr... all this talk now has gotten that buckingham palace tune in my head... [06:27] I suppose turnabout is fair play, but still, it seems like there's a lot of very complicated legalese going on there that doesn't seem predictable or logical. === Lure wonders if I joined some geopolitics channel... ;-) [06:28] Lure: nah, you just walked in an geopolitical conference :) [06:28] Riddell: I think I understand it more than I understand the UK. [06:28] Lure: It's always been the geopolitics channel, you just haven't been paying attention :P [06:28] manchicken: lol [06:30] manchicken: We have our complexities and they have theirs. Go and show me where in the Constitution is says the Supreme Court gets to decide if laws are constitutional. === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:32] ScottK: Separation of powers matey :) [06:33] Riddell: any luck with dolphin? Maybe one day when I get familiar with the complexities of automake, I'll figure out what's wrong [06:33] until then, I have to leave it in more able hands and minds :) [06:33] manchicken: It doesn't actually say that they get that power though. [06:33] It does say they get the power to check the legislative branch. That's exactly what that means. [06:33] manchicken: It was asserted in (IIRC Marbury vs Madison in 1803) and has stood as precdent since. [06:34] anybody working on bug 137404 [06:34] Launchpad bug 137404 in knetworkmanager "[gutsy amd64] knetworkmanager executable missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137404 [06:34] A correct precedent, if you ask me :) [06:34] Lure: That sounds like an odd bug. [06:34] I can't replicate that bug.... [06:34] My wife is running gutsy on amd64 and it's not having that problem. [06:34] manchicken: I lost knetworkmanager myself - just noticed now [06:34] Unless it's in an update that was put in today. [06:35] I lost it today on i386 too. [06:35] It doesn't work anyway. === ScottK checks to see if it's still there. [06:35] manchicken: I have network-manager-kde installed, but there is no binary in [06:35] WEIRD [06:35] I suppose I've lost it as well. [06:36] it seems it is Riddell's fault ;-) he is last uploader... [06:36] the binary should be in network-manager-kde [06:36] and it is not in knetworkmanager package either... [06:37] hrm [06:37] Riddell: but it is not... Maybe due to wrong arch? [06:37] no, arch is ok === Lure is lost [06:38] Riddell: hurry up, I need working wifi when basketball game starts in 20 minutes [06:38] ;-) [06:39] lol [06:39] oh, it'll be because it now has two packages being built instead of one [06:39] so needs .install files [06:39] Jucato: dolphin needed a patch for automake 1.10 [06:40] Jucato: I don't see any restore action in the wastebin though [06:41] Riddell: Restore is only available if you right-click on an item. Empty is only available if you right-click inside the trash folder [06:41] just like in Konqueror === apokryphos [i=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:43] Riddell: how do I do the automake patch? [06:43] Empty Deleted Items Folder [06:43] ah, Restore, gotit [06:44] not ideal, it should be in with the other actions, but good enough [06:44] yay! [06:44] I just copied the behavior from Konqueror :) [06:44] Riddell: what is the status of python-qt4-dbus fix in re to kblueplugd? 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