[12:48] <_gpg_> mpt i may be confused, but it seem that had already published some part of it i'm i wrong ?
[12:49] <mpt> _gpg_, yes, the CSCVS code is public
[12:49] <_gpg_> mpt ty again
[12:50] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs
[12:50] <mpt> the Storm code is also public
[12:51] <_gpg_> good job to all btw
[12:51] <mpt> which Launchpad is adopting
[12:55] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/storm
[12:57] <ryanakca> How can I get dput to upload the .orig.tar.gz to ppa?
[12:58] <ryanakca> (at the moment, it only uploads the .dsc, .diff.gz, and .changes)
[01:05] <AlinuxOS> hello https://translations.launchpad.net/libwnck is libwnck translatable project ?
[01:20] <mpt> AlinuxOS, what the page says is true
[01:24] <AlinuxOS> mpt, so it's not translatable?
[01:25] <mpt> AlinuxOS, it probably is translatable, but it's not set up for translation in Launchpad
[01:25] <AlinuxOS> mpt, ah
[01:25] <AlinuxOS> bad :(
[01:25] <mpt> Is there some way we could make that clearer on the page?
[01:26] <mpt> bigjools, can you answer ryanakca's question?
[01:27] <AlinuxOS> "Always On _Top" is the string that I would like to translate into my language... and it's contained in libwnck.
[01:28] <mpt> AlinuxOS, so do what the page says, and talk with the registrant
[01:28] <AlinuxOS> mpt, ok thank you! ;)
[01:28] <mpt> He should at least be able to point you in the right direction to help with the translations
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137397 in blueprint "Implement tags for Blueprints" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137397
[01:57] <_gpg_> y'a pas une solution libre pour lire les fichiers .mov ?
[01:57] <_gpg_> oops
[01:57] <_gpg_> omg
[01:57] <_gpg_> very sry
[02:29] <ryanakca> mpt: Riddell answered it for me :)... I needed to run 'debuild -S -sa' instead of just 'debuild -S'
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #137408 in malone "Assignees of duplicate bug reports get unstoppable bugmail" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137408
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137411 in rosetta "Launchpad UI mentions "Rosetta"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137411
[05:39] <pwnguin> so i read on planet today that the ppas are moving forward
[05:39] <pwnguin> what should i expect for turnaround time on joining launchpad-beta team?
[05:45] <jamesh> pwnguin: https://help.launchpad.net/JoiningLaunchpadBetaTesters has the details
[05:45] <jamesh> pwnguin: if you follow those guidelines it shouldn't take long
[05:46] <pwnguin> i got a mail from revell 8 hours ago
[05:48] <jamesh> so you've agreed to the membership conditions?
[05:48] <pwnguin> yes
[05:48] <jamesh> Matthew is in the UK, so is most likely asleep right now
[05:48] <pwnguin> good point
[05:48] <jamesh> he'll probably see your mail when he wakes up
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #137446 in launchpad "No option to decline PPA Terms of Service" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137446
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137447 in launchpad "PPA Terms of Service one sided" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137447
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #137448 in launchpad "New UI is confusing and counter inuitive for changing affected package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137448
[08:19] <RAOF> lifeless: WoW ping, as delegated by jml
[08:22] <jml> RAOF: hah!
[08:22] <ajmitch> hehe
[08:23] <jml> ajmitch: that's the problem with kids these days, no responsibility.
[08:23] <RAOF> jml: Gotta get the maximal pingage :P
[08:23] <ajmitch> jml: back in my day, things were different!
[08:57] <LaserJock> will a PPA accept a package with a Debian version in the changelog?
[08:57] <carlos> morning
[08:59] <LaserJock> bah, I gotta run, I'll check back in the morning :-)
[09:10] <mdke> can indirect members of a team upload to a team PPA? (I assume so)
[09:22] <Fujitsu> mdke: Yes.
[09:22] <Fujitsu> A direct member is for pretty much any purpose the same as an indirect member.
[09:22] <mdke> that's what I thought too
[09:23] <mdke> I wonder if there should be a concept of a "related team" that doesn't have that effect
[09:29] <jamesh> mdke: what sort of relations are you thinking of?
[09:33] <mdke> jamesh: I'm wondering about how to deal with different documentation teams for ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu etc
[09:33] <mdke> an umbrella team would be the way to go I suppose, but I can't think of a name for it :)
[09:52] <Skinkie> Evil question: will git be ever supported as alternative versioning?
[09:54] <RAOF> More interesting question: will git import to bzr be supported anytime soon :)
[09:54] <Skinkie> what are the pro's over git for bzr?
[09:55] <jml> Skinkie: http://bazaar-vcs.org/RcsComparisons has some info on that.
[09:58] <Skinkie> jml: on wikipedia, exactly same specs ;) so launchpad supports git when bazaar supports importing git?
[10:18] <Skinkie> another newbie question. I uploaded a translation as project owner, how do i 'review' the template?
[10:18] <carlos> Skinkie: we (the admins) do it for you, once that's done, future updates to it will be done automatically
[10:19] <Skinkie> so what happens if i want to update my pot file
[10:19] <Skinkie> will you review this again?
[10:20] <carlos> as I just said, future updates will not require any review from us
[10:20] <carlos> it will auto approved automatically
[10:20] <carlos> it will be auto approved automatically
[10:24] <Skinkie> okidoki :) maybe i missed this in the FAQ :) (no help available for that page too)
[10:30] <carlos> Skinkie: yeah, the documentation itself needs to be improved :-(
[11:05] <Skinkie> mmm... i guess i missed my answer :{
[11:05] <Skinkie> where can i say "i want to use launchpad as my primary bugtracker?"
[11:23] <laga> hi. i'm being a bit blind here - how can i create a new team on launchpad?
[11:26] <mwhudson> "register a team" on https://launchpad.net/people
[11:26] <laga> thanks a lot. launchpad can be confusing sometimes
[11:27] <mwhudson> yes it can :/
[11:31] <Skinkie> ...i found my bugtracking question inside the project properties :{ it looks like these properties are not the same as registrating
[12:04] <bostik> hi all 
[12:14] <laga> is there any documentation for launchpad? i have a lot of trouble finding my way around here.
[12:15] <laga> oh, i just foudn what i was looking for on help.launchpad.net
[12:16] <laga> odd. i was looking for the ppa documentation, but it didn't come up when i entered "ppa" into the search box
[12:24] <gnomefreak> laga: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[12:25] <gnomefreak> thats the only doc ive seen for ppa and its good since it works ;)
[12:26] <gnomefreak> hey guys the PPA doc need to be edited
[12:26] <laga> gnomefreak: thanks, i found that :)
[12:26] <gnomefreak> its no longer beta
[12:27] <gnomefreak> im on my last for the week i think
[12:27] <laga> heh
[12:27] <laga> took me a while to find out how to sign my packages, but now i'm good
[12:28] <gnomefreak> i was laying in hospital still uploading packages :(
[12:28] <laga> that's true dedication
[12:28] <gnomefreak> either that or i would have that much work when i got out
[12:51] <laga> should new uploads show up immediately in ppa? i'm still getting "No Currently building builds for Personal Package Archive for Mythbuntu experimental."
[12:52] <gnomefreak> no it takes time
[12:52] <laga> thanks
[12:52] <gnomefreak> they go to build every 20 minutes or so
[12:52] <laga> was just afraid i broke something
[12:54] <gnomefreak> nope not yet uploading wont break but you should check your email to see if it was accepted
[12:54] <laga> thanks
[12:54] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:55] <gnomefreak> email will also tell you if it was a fail to build but that will be later maybe give it an hour or 2 (ive waited a while for it to build) maybe because it was busy or something
[01:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi all
[01:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA>  somebody knows why bug #49594 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/49594 is marked as "not in ubuntu"?
[01:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49594 in gnome-session "Bonobo-activation-server sometimes is not killed after session restart, leading to many unexpected problems" [Undecided,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)
[01:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49594 in gnome-session "Bonobo-activation-server sometimes is not killed after session restart, leading to many unexpected problems" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49594 - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)
[01:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am going mad about that
[01:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> have to go for lunch
[01:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but want to leave my bug reporting work polished :)
[01:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok solved
[01:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maybe gnome-session is no longer an ubuntu package
[01:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> adding an ubuntu package solved it
[02:12] <doko> kiko-afk: who needs to be asked if a package is not built on the ppa builders?
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137498 in malone "Order bugs by number of duplicates" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137498
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137499 in malone "Order bugs by number of comments" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137499
[02:46] <laga> um
[02:46] <laga> i just got an email saying: "PPA is only allowed for members of launchpad-beta-testers team."
[02:47] <laga> am i missing something here? i thought PPA was open for everyone
[03:01] <laga> aah!
[03:01] <laga> this is really great. reply-to is no_reply@launchpad.net
[03:01] <laga> yet i'm told to reply if i need help
[03:14] <bigjools> laga: PPA is indeed only open for beta testers
[03:15] <laga> bigjools: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[03:15] <laga> the FAQ is wrong then.
[03:15] <laga> "Yes, this service is available to any developer who wants to publish packages of their free software code."
[03:15] <bigjools> laga: read the very first line on that page
[03:16] <laga> bigjools: gah, right. :/
[03:16] <bigjools> specifically "PPAs are now in BETA, please join the launchpad-beta-testers team if you want to try them out."
[03:16] <laga> i was mislead by the fact that it moved from dogfood. to regular launchpad
[03:16] <bigjools> :)
[03:17] <laga> thanks for bearing with me :)
[03:20] <laga> well, i have request membership to the launchpad-beta-testers team. let's hope the launchpads gods are grateful
[03:21] <dholbach> heya
[03:21] <dholbach> how can I find out who subscribed me to the distributed-package-management spec?
[03:56] <xhaker> could someone here accept me into launchpad betatesting team? I'm interested in the ppa feature.
[03:57] <statik> xhaker: mrevell-lunch can probably help you with that when he is back
[03:58] <mrevell> statik: thanks
[03:58] <xhaker> thanks statik :)
[03:58] <mrevell> xhaker: Hi. Thanks for your interest! Have you applied to join the team?
[03:58] <statik> barry: meeting time?
[03:58] <barry> yes, in 1m27s :)
[03:58] <xhaker> mrevell, yes, I did. I don't understand the requirement to mail feedback@
[03:59] <xhaker> it's not very clear at the help pages
[03:59] <mrevell> xhaker: Is your Launchpad username xhaker also?
[03:59] <mrevell> xhaker: I'm sorry you found the help page to be unclear.
[03:59] <xhaker> mrevell, yes, the username is xhaker
[04:00] <barry> hi everybody.  for the next 45 minutes or less, we will be having the EU/US launchpad reviewer's meeting
[04:00] <barry> == Agenda ==
[04:00] <barry>  * Roll call
[04:00] <barry>  * Next meeting
[04:00] <barry>  * Queue status
[04:00] <barry>  * Barry has been slack with last EU/US meeting minutes
[04:00] <barry>  * Mentors wanted
[04:00] <mrevell> xhaker: As there's a meeting, I'll PM you
[04:00] <barry>  * Roll call
[04:00] <barry> who's here?
[04:00] <BjornT> me
[04:00] <bac> me
[04:01] <salgado> me
[04:01] <barry> statik, kiko, SteveA: ping?
[04:01] <statik> me
[04:02] <barry> okay
[04:02] <barry>  * Next meeting
[04:02] <barry> same time and place next week?  are there any objections or advanced apologies?
[04:03] <barry> 5
[04:03] <barry> 4
[04:03] <barry> 3
[04:03] <barry> 2
[04:03] <barry> 1
[04:03] <barry> okay, we'll meet again here next week, 1400 utc
[04:03] <barry>  * Queue status
[04:04] <barry> looks to me like we have 25 assigned needs-review items, 5 unassigned
[04:05] <barry> 18 needs-review over the sla
[04:05] <barry> i have quite a few; i'm just finishing up my re-review of carlos's mega branch and am still catching up from the sprint
[04:06] <barry> looks like kiko wins the oldest needs-review branch award again :)
[04:06] <barry> with stub coming in next
[04:06] <barry> statik, bac: how are you guys recovering from the sprint? :)
[04:07] <bac> barry: doing well.  did an easy review for jtv yesterday and have one in the queue.
[04:07] <statik> barry: ok, I should be back to reviewing today/tomorrow
[04:07] <barry> cool.   anyone else have anything to add about the current queue state?
[04:08] <barry> next week is FUN WEEK :)
[04:08] <barry> moving on...
[04:08] <barry>  * Barry has been slack with last EU/US meeting minutes
[04:09] <barry> i need to search out the irc log from last week's meeting.  i'll do that when i post the meeting minutes for this week too
[04:09] <barry>  * Mentors wanted
[04:09] <barry> now the important topic
[04:09] <barry> all 5 of our invitees have accepted so we need to round up mentors
[04:10] <barry> any volunteers from the eu/us crowd?
[04:11] <statik> I'll volunteer if it means I get someone in my time zone
[04:11] <BjornT> barry: i'd be happy to act as a backup-mentor, but i don't think i'll have time to be a primary mentor for someone
[04:11] <barry> so i think all of our new reviewers are in the eu/us
[04:11] <bac> not jtv
[04:11] <barry> statik: cool, thanks.  how about you take sinzui?  he's in edt
[04:11] <statik> barry: ok
[04:12] <barry> excellent.  BjornT, thanks, i'm sure we'll need backups too
[04:12] <barry> bac: thanks, any preferences?
[04:13] <bac> barry: no
[04:13] <barry> bac: how about intellectronica?
[04:13] <bac> barry: ok
[04:14] <barry> bac: cool, thanks.
[04:14] <barry> that leaves mwhudson, jml, and jtv.  i'm happy to take one of them and don't care who
[04:14] <barry> salgado: do you think you'll have time to mentor someone?
[04:15] <barry> otherwise, we'll ask the au folks for volunteers, and then i guess i'll just assign mentors and backups
[04:15] <barry> but au will be less convenient because of the timezone differences
[04:15] <salgado> barry, I don't think so, but I can certainly act as a backup this time
[04:15] <bac> jml should go with an au mentor
[04:16] <barry> bac: cool
[04:16] <barry> salgado: cool
[04:17] <barry> okay, i'll send an email to the mlist.  it would be great to get those guys reviewing branches next week
[04:17] <barry> that's it for me.  anybody have anything else to add?
[04:17] <barry> 5
[04:17] <barry> 4
[04:17] <barry> 3
[04:17] <barry> 2
[04:17] <soren> 7
[04:17] <barry> 1
[04:17] <barry> MEETING ENDS
[04:17] <barry> thanks everyone
[04:18] <barry> soren: you almost made me lose count :)
[04:18] <soren> \o/
[04:18] <laga> SteveA: if you're awake, can you please accept my request for membership on launchpad-beta-testers? i'd like to use PPA.. and of course, report bugs if i find any 
[04:24] <mrevell> hey xhaker - did you get my PM?
[04:24] <mrevell> laga: Hi
[04:25] <mrevell> laga: I look after Launchpad beta testers. Could you let me know your Launchpad username and display name, then I'll be able to find your application.
[04:25] <xhaker> mrevell, in here? no
[04:25] <mrevell> laga: Hmm. It must be that I'm not registered with Freenode.
[04:25] <mrevell> xhaker: What's your Launchpad username?
[04:25] <xhaker> mrevell, xhaker
[04:26] <mrevell> xhaker: And you display name?
[04:26] <xhaker> mrevell, Flvio Martins I presume
[04:27] <mrevell> laga: Have you applied for membership? I can't find an application under laga or Michael Haas.
[04:27] <mrevell> xhaker: Right, I've found you. You applied last night, right?
[04:27] <mrevell> xhaker: Cool, I'll send you an email that tells you what you need to do next.
[04:28] <sinzui-is> /who freenode/staff/*
[04:29] <xhaker> mrevell, thanks, i look forward to it.
[04:31] <laga> mrevell: yes, i have applied for membership. it even says "Your membership is awaiting approval from one of this team's administrators." on https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers/+join
[04:33] <laga> mrevell: my launchpad name is "laga"
[04:38] <mrevell> laga: Ah, I've found you. You applied to join about an hour ago, right? Great, I'll get an email to you.
[04:38] <laga> mrevell: yes. 
[04:39] <laga> mrevell: sorry for the impatience, but i'm *really* keen on trying the PPAs :)
[04:39] <mrevell> laga: No problem, it's great that you want to use the PPA! :)
[04:39] <mrevell> laga: Sorry I had difficulty finding your application.
[04:40] <laga> cool, that's my first NDA. heh
[04:41] <laga> mrevell: is launchpad-users a closed list? i'm not sure how i am to discuss "secret" stuff there
[04:42] <xhaker> mrevell, done ;)
[04:42] <kiko> laga, it's not a closed list.
[04:42] <mrevell> laga: Ah, it's not an NDA :) It's far more relaxed than that. It's just a request to avoid blogging about beta features until the feature goes live. 
[04:43] <mrevell> laga: As kiko says, it's not a closed list. The features you'll test aren't secret and we'd love to see your thoughts on launchpad-users.
[04:43] <laga> ok, thank you.
[04:43] <mrevell> xhaker: thanks. I'll check my mail and get you in the team.
[04:44] <laga> mrevell: i've just replied
[04:45] <mrevell> laga: Great, thanks. I'll get you in the team too!
[04:45] <laga> thanks
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137535 in soyuz "Soyuz should store package uploader and approval details" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137535
[04:56] <kiko> bigjools, don't we already store the package uploader? or not exactly?
[04:56] <bigjools> kiko: we store the signer if it's signed
[04:57] <bigjools> but is that the same person who uploaded it?  who knows
[04:57] <kiko> bigjools, there's no way of knowing who really uploaded, though, is there?
[04:58] <bigjools> kiko: not at present
[04:58] <laga> mrevell: thanks!! YMMD :)
[04:58] <mrevell> laga: :-D No problem, thanks for joining. I'd love to hear what you think of PPA. Let us know on the launchpad-users list.
[04:58] <laga> will do
[04:58] <bigjools> kiko: although I am using the signer for the team PPA "uploader" column
[04:59] <kiko> bigjools, not at present, and we'd have to change something user-visible to be able to capture it.
[04:59] <kiko> bigjools, the signer is the uploader for all practical reasons
[04:59] <mrevell> xhaker: Got your welcome email yet?
[04:59] <kiko> so I'm a bit confused about the bug above.
[04:59] <bigjools> kiko: they are ones that Mark wanted, I am literally about to send an email about it :)
[04:59] <xhaker> mrevell, got it just now (0 minutes ago)
[05:00] <mrevell> xhaker: Great.
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #137537 in soyuz "When packate deletion is supported, store package deletion details" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137537
[05:09] <mok0> Hobbsee: I uploaded my first package there, but it went into component "main"
[05:10] <mok0> Hobbsee: Can I move it, or delete it?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> i'd assume you'd need to upload a new version, and change the section.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> only LP admins can delete, it seems
[05:11] <mok0> Hobbsee: perhaps it doesn't matter, as long as it's a personal archive?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> mok0: well, as long as all it's build-depends are in main, that's fine.
[05:12] <mok0> Hobbsee: OK, I'll just wait and see if it builds. 
[05:13] <Hobbsee> surely you tested that *before* you uploaded it to a ppa?
[05:13] <mok0> Hobbsee: Perhaps we should always put "universe/*" in the Section: ?
[05:14] <mok0> Hobbsee: It builds alright
[05:14] <Hobbsee> mok0: if you're building a package to go in universe, you need to put universe/ in there.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> if you're building for main, then you dont.
[05:15] <mok0> Hobbsee: The packages I've been working on so far have gone to REVU and thus into universe. I've not put "universe" in the section, though, 
[05:16] <mok0> Hobbsee: and no MOTUs have told me to
[05:18] <danilos> mdke: ping (or just email me to clarify what has changed for kubuntu-docs POT files: kubuntu/index/index.pot seems to be a renamed version of kubuntu/sysdocs-index/index.pot and the other two files are .desktop file translations -- see https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kubuntu-docs/+imports?field.filter_status=NEEDS_REVIEW&field.filter_extension=all)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mok0: i think that might be covered in the quick start guide
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mok0: but the packages dont get built on REVU.  and when tehy get uploaded to the ubuntu archive, the archive admins do the overrides
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mrevell: any chance we can rewrite some of this doc?
[05:21] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Hi
[05:21] <Hobbsee> mrevell: it's written fine for MOTU's and such, who know what they're doing, but there are great sections missing for people who *dont*
[05:22] <Hobbsee> mrevell: like, the entire section on overrides.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> mrevell: and version numbers.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> and the distro release, for that matter
[05:24] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Thanks for the feedback. And thanks mok0 for raising the issues you're having.
[05:24] <mrevell> Hobbsee: The guide needs to cover the ogre model, certainly and doesn't right now.
[05:25] <mrevell> Hobbsee: When you say for people who don't know what they're doing, do you mean who are entirely new to packaging?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> mrevell: yes, and those who dont know basic archive stuff (ie, how stuff works with revu/upload.ubuntu.com)
[05:27] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Hmm, I don't want the PPA guides to become a general "how to package for Ubuntu" guide as we already have that, and it's linked in the PPA quick-start guide. However, I do want to create an example guide - i.e. how to package foo using PPA, which should cover a lot of the stuff you're concerned about, I think.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> mrevell: no, of course not.  but there expectations implicit in that quick guide about knowing what overrides are, and about version numbers, etc.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> mrevell: and of course, as this is primarily ubuntu-based, having a small note somewhere about "the component does not need to be changed for revu or the ubuntu archive, due to overrides" or something would be useful.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> but yes, no point reproducing the packaging guide.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> mrevell: these people are often hoping to upload to ubuntu - it's definetly worth pointing out the differences.
[05:32] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Let's make a list of the things you'd like to see changed in the guide:
[05:32] <Hobbsee> mrevell: can i do so tomorrow?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> or, later?
[05:32] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Sure :) I didn't realise it was that long a list!
[05:33] <Hobbsee> mrevell: it's not, but i'd prefer to think about it a bit mroe
[05:33] <francesco-battag> hi all!
[05:33] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Okay, that's cool, thanks for your input.
[05:33] <mrevell> hi francesco-battag
[05:36] <FeistyNathan> the user meeting is in 1:30,  or am I calcluting UTC<->MyTimeZone wrong?
[05:37] <francesco-battag> Is UTC Greenwich meridian time or am I worng?
[05:37] <mrevell> FeistyNathan, francesco-battag: UTC is GMT yes. The meeting is in 1 hour and 23 mins.
[05:38] <mrevell> francesco-battag, FeistyNathan: thanks both for coming :)
[05:38] <francesco-battag> thank you mrevell
[05:49] <xhaker> mrevell, is it okay to not upload the orig.tar.gz to ppa?
[05:50] <mrevell> hi xhaker. Let me check for you.
[05:53] <th1a> If I want to start tracking features/bugs/etc for a Hardy release of SchoolTool, should I create a new series?  Or is that just a release?
[05:53] <mrevell> xhaker: it's okay not to upload it if it already is in the PPA. (we locate it by the package's md5sum as specified in the DSC file)
[05:54] <kiko> th1a, it depends. it's probably just a milestone unless you're branching series.
[05:54] <xhaker> ahh.. i was thinking it could search for the orig.tar.gz on the ubuntu archives
[05:54] <xhaker> mrevell, thanks for the help :)
[05:54] <kiko> xhaker, I'm actually not sure if it will
[05:54] <kiko> it might
[05:54] <kiko> xhaker, if you try, will you tell me? :-)
[05:54] <laga> mrevell: do the PPAs build for eisty or for gutsy?
[05:54] <th1a> kiko: Where do I define a milestone?
[05:54] <kiko> th1a, releases are somewhat messy in launchpad and right now I suggest you use a milestone
[05:54] <kiko> th1a, in the series page (so /trunk or something like that)
[05:55] <mrevell> brb-phone
[05:55] <th1a> kiko: OK, got it.
[05:55] <xhaker> kiko, I will tell you if it builds :)
[05:55] <xhaker> kiko, and if it doesn't. of course
[05:56] <xhaker> kiko, soon enough :) didn't work
[05:56] <xhaker> Rejected:
[05:56] <xhaker> Unable to find libmtp_0.2.1.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution.
[05:57] <kiko> th1a, did you understand what I meant when I said "branching series"?
[05:58] <th1a> kiko: I think so.  This release will be based off the development trunk.
[05:58] <th1a> So it doesn't get a new series.
[05:59] <kiko> th1a, exactly. good man! :)
[05:59] <mrevell> laga: You should be able to specify the release.
[06:01] <laga> mrevell: thanks. just wondering because it failed to resolve a dependency which is in feisty.
[06:02] <mrevell> laga: Which section have you specified for your package? It follows the ogre model, so if your package is main, it'll resolve dependencies using main, but if your package is universe it'll use universe and main, and so on.
[06:04] <laga> mrevell: thanks. i'll have to specficy multiverse then
[06:06] <mrevell> laga: Let us know how you get on.
[06:10] <xhaker> mrevell, it says Announcing to gutsy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[06:10] <xhaker> mrevell, might want to change that?
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137551 in launchpad-bazaar "code browsing should share url space with code hosting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137551
[06:10] <mrevell> xhaker: Where does it say that?
[06:11] <xhaker> in the archive accept mail
[06:11] <xhaker> bottom
[06:11] <francesco-battag> i will return in a minute
[06:15] <mrevell> xhaker: Ah, I see. Thanks. There may be a bug filed about that, I'll have a look.
[06:58] <Rinchen> me
[06:58] <Rinchen> :-)
[06:58] <mrevell> Rinchen: hehe :)
[07:00] <mrevell> Hello and welcome to today's Launchpad users' meeting!
[07:00] <mrevell> Thanks for attending. Let us know if you're here for the meeting by typing "me".
[07:00] <mrevell> me
[07:01] <mrevell> Okay, I'll assume you're shy, and carry on :)
[07:01] <mrevell> efore we continue, I'd like to invite you to join the Launchpad beta testers team! At the moment, we're testing our new Personal Package Archives feature. It's a build and hosting service for Ubuntu .deb packages. You can find out more about PPA at: 
[07:01] <mrevell> s/efore/Before
[07:01] <mrevell> http://news.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/personal-package-archives
[07:02] <Odd_Bloke> (me)
[07:02] <mrevell> thanks Odd_Bloke
[07:02] <mrevell> Odd_Bloke: welcome
[07:02] <mrevell> And you can learn how to join the beta team at:
[07:02] <mrevell> https://help.launchpad.net/JoiningLaunchpadBetaTesters
[07:02] <mrevell> Right, let's move on!
[07:02] <mrevell> We don't have any questions on the agenda for today's meeting, so if you have a question, suggestion or comment for the Launchpad team, please fire away. I'll take each question in turn. If I can't get an answer for you right now, we can ask the questions on the launchpad-users list.
[07:03] <mrevell> Any questions?
[07:04] <Adri2000> yes, I have a few questions :)
[07:04] <mrevell> Adri2000: Ah, hello :) Please fire away
[07:04] <Adri2000> * Will it be possible for ubuntu members to use their @ubuntu.com email address as their preferred address? It's not possible currently because the @ubuntu.com address redirects to the preferred adress...
[07:05] <mrevell> Adri2000: Thanks for your question.
[07:05] <mrevell> salgado: Hello. Are you able to answer Adri2000's question?
[07:06] <mrevell> Adri2000: Is this an important feature for you?
[07:06] <salgado> mrevell, elmo would be the best person to ask that
[07:06] <mrevell> thanks salgado
[07:07] <Adri2000> I can live without it, but I'd prefer to be able to have my @ubuntu address as the preferred one in my lp profile :)
[07:07] <mrevell> elmo: Hi - do we have any plans to allow @ubuntu.com addresses to be used as the preferred address in Launchpad profiles?
[07:08] <mrevell> Adri2000: I'll email elmo and cc the launchpad-users list to see if we can an answer there.
[07:09] <mrevell> Adri2000: Do you have other questions?
[07:09] <Adri2000> great. yes, one other question and then a suggestion
[07:09] <Adri2000> * Is it possible to merge the ubuntu-motu and motu teams? The motu team is the actual team of MOTUs, and the ubuntu-motu team is the one currently displayed as maintainer for the universe packages. If merging is not possible, at least rename the motu team, it's currently called "MOTU-media", which is obviously incorrect.
[07:10] <Adri2000> see for example https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ri-li, "Maintainer:  MOTU-Media". it'd be better if it was eg. "Ubuntu MOTU Developers", and pointing to ~motu
[07:10] <salgado> Adri2000, it's not yet possible to merge teams, but the team owner can rename the team
[07:11] <Adri2000> "MOTU-Media does not use Launchpad. This page was created on 2006-01-13  when the mythplugins package was imported into Dapper."
[07:11] <Adri2000> I guess there is no team owner in this case
[07:12] <salgado> oh, that's an automatically created person
[07:14] <doko> me
[07:14] <mrevell> Adri2000: Shall we move onto your suggestion?
[07:14] <mrevell> thanks doko
[07:15] <Adri2000> ah, so it's a person, not a team, ok
[07:15] <doko> mrevell: ok to join in with ppa questions?
[07:15] <mrevell> sure doko. I think Adri2000 has one more question/suggestion, then please go ahead after that.
[07:15] <Adri2000> * Suggestion: in tagged bug reports reported against a particular package, there is a link which points to the list of bug reports tagged with this tag. The problem is that it lists only those reported against the particular package, while imho it should list all of the bugs in the distro tagged with this tag.
[07:15] <Adri2000> Example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/noteedit/+bug/72339, click on the tag "desktop-file", you see it's not very helpful.
[07:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 72339 in noteedit "Doesn't show up in the ``Applications'' menu" [Wishlist,Triaged]  
[07:16] <mrevell> thanks Adri2000. Let me see if someone from the bug team is available.
[07:17] <mrevell> BjornT, welcome to the users meeting.
[07:18] <mrevell> BjornT: Adri2000 has made a suggestion regarding bug tags, above.
[07:19] <BjornT> Adri2000: the problem is that sometimes listing only bugs against that package is what the user wants to do. it'd probably be quite confusing to list all bugs having that tag.
[07:19] <BjornT> Adri2000: otoh, it might be nice to somehow add another link, for listing all bugs having that tag
[07:19] <mrevell> Adri2000: Perhaps you could file a bug?
[07:19] <BjornT> or at least make it easy to navigate to such a listing
[07:20] <Adri2000> ok, I'll file a bug
[07:20] <mrevell> thanks BjornT.
[07:20] <mrevell> Adri2000: If you're finished, we'll move onto doko's question.
[07:20] <Adri2000> yes, thanks
[07:21] <doko> * how do you avoid accidential uploads to the main archive?
[07:21] <doko> the release names are the same, and it's easy to upload to the wrong archive, and getting no reject
[07:22] <mrevell> thanks doko. Are you concerned that you may accidentally upload a package to Ubuntu's main archive, available to all Ubuntu users? If not, forgive me, I'm not sure I Understand.
[07:24] <doko> mrevell: exactly this
[07:26] <mrevell> doko: Let me find an answer for you.
[07:26] <doko> mrevell: not now
[07:26] <doko> * another thing: how can I see the status of my package upload? One isn't built now for a week or so?
[07:27] <mrevell> doko: Okay. bigjools on the Launchpad team tells me, though, that " if the package is not already in Ubuntu it would get rejected by archive admins". Obviously most PPA users won't have permission to upload to Ubuntu main, though.
[07:27] <bigjools> right
[07:27] <doko> sure, but shit happens =)
[07:27] <bigjools> then be careful ;)
[07:28] <hggdh> question: can LP save a default search option? Specifically, I want to click on the "List * bugs", and have the search sorted by "recently changed" instead of "importance"
[07:28] <doko> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain/+archive  the second upload was never built, nor can I see any status
[07:28] <mrevell> doko: As for your second question - bigjools are you able to answer that? AFAIK you should be able to view the status in LP from your profile page.
[07:29] <mrevell> hggdh: Thanks, we'll come to your question after doko's.
[07:30] <bigjools> doko: which package, is it already uploaded and not built, or just not appearing at all?
[07:31] <doko> gcc-4.3 - 4.3-20070902-0ubuntu1 I see the source, but no attempt to build it
[07:31] <mrevell> hggdh: Actually, while bigjools is looking for an answer, I can answer your question. There isn't an option to save your default search options. Let me see if a bug has been filed to suggest this.
[07:32] <bigjools> doko: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[07:32] <bigjools> it's missing a dependencu
[07:32] <bigjools> dependency*
[07:32] <silwol> hi launchpaders
[07:32] <mrevell> hi silwol. Welcome to the Launchpad users meeting.
[07:33] <doko> bigjools: why? it's in the archive
[07:33] <silwol> oh, great chance, didn't know it is right now...
[07:34] <bigjools> doko: have you looked at the build log?
[07:34] <doko> bigjools: I don't get to this page with "View build records"
[07:35] <doko> bigjools: it's in MANUALWAITDEP, but libxul-dev is in the archive
[07:36] <mrevell> hggdh: I can't find a bug for that. Would you like to file one?
[07:36] <hggdh> mrevell: will do, thanks
[07:36] <silwol> i'm just trying out the ppa. does this seem to be output as expected or does the last line mean that something went wrong? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36461/
[07:36] <mrevell> hggdh: thank you!
[07:39] <LaserJock> hmm, did I miss the users meeting?
[07:39] <mrevell> LaserJock: No, still going :)
[07:40] <mrevell> silwol: Would you mind posting your question to launchpad-users please? Unfortunately, cprov - our main PPA developer - is on vacation today.
[07:40] <LaserJock> sorry, just seemed quiet
[07:40] <mrevell> LaserJock: Yeah, I was just looking for an answer.
[07:41] <mrevell> Do we have any other questions? I'm afraid all other PPA questions should now go to launchpad-users.
[07:41] <silwol> mrevell: do you mean to the mailing list?
[07:41] <mrevell> silwol: Yes please.
[07:42] <silwol> oh, just want to know if the message "Not running dinstall." usually appears for other people too or if this is abnormal
[07:43] <LaserJock> that is normal
[07:43] <mrevell> Thanks LaserJock
[07:43] <silwol> okay, so no need to worry.
[07:43] <LaserJock> nope
[07:44] <LaserJock> mrevell: any packaging related PPA questions I could answer while I'm here?
[07:44] <silwol> and how long does it usually take until the uploaded packages appear on https://launchpad.net/~silwol/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building
[07:44] <mrevell> Thanks for the offer LaserJock!
[07:45] <mrevell> How long do upload packages usually take to appear on the build status page for you LaserJock?
[07:46] <LaserJock> it can take some time
[07:46] <LaserJock> especially for the "building state"
[07:46] <LaserJock> because you have to wait for other packages in queue
[07:46] <silwol> so no need to worry here either ;-)
[07:46] <LaserJock> it can be up to a couple hours before it gets to actually being built
[07:47] <mrevell> thanks LaserJock :)
[07:47] <silwol> I already expected it to be that way, just wanted to be sure.
[07:47] <silwol> thanks from me too, LaserJock
[07:47] <LaserJock> silwol: you can use "All States" on that page
[07:48] <LaserJock> that'll give you info when it's made it to "Needs Building"
[07:48] <LaserJock> and then it'll be that way for a while
[07:48] <silwol> yes, I know, but it isn't there yet either
[07:48] <silwol> okay
[07:48] <LaserJock> mrevell: "All States" should be default, btw. I think there is a bug for that
[07:49] <mrevell> LaserJock: Thanks, let me have a look.
[07:50] <mrevell> LaserJock: I can't see a bug immediately.
[07:50] <mrevell> LaserJock: I'll have a dig around
[07:50] <mrevell> Okay, any other questions before we wrap up the meeting?
[07:50] <LaserJock> I don't think it's specific to PPA
[07:51] <mrevell> LaserJock:  Ah right.
[07:52] <LaserJock> silwol: did you get an Accepted email from your upload?
[07:52] <mrevell> bug 92960
[07:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92960 in soyuz ""Show builds" for source packages has a bad default" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92960 - Assigned to Julian Edwards (julian-edwards)
[07:52] <LaserJock> ah yes, that's the one
[07:52] <silwol> one moment, i'll have a look...
[07:52] <laga> mrevell: is it possible to cancel failed builds? a build failed for me, i redid the orig.tar.gz and increased the version number to foo~ppa2. after an upload, i got a rejected message due to bad checksums
[07:53] <mrevell> laga: AFAIK it's not possible to cancel a failed build.
[07:53] <LaserJock> you'll have to get a PPA admin to remove that orig.tar.gz
[07:53] <laga> mrevell: alright, i'll upload ~ppa2 with fixed checksums then
[07:54] <laga> LaserJock: no worries
[07:54] <LaserJock> I'm not sure that'll work
[07:54] <laga> the orig.tar.gz is not broken, the .changes file just referenced a different one..
[07:54] <laga> hum
[07:54] <LaserJock> when you upload it checks to see if the .orig.tar.gz already exists
[07:54] <LaserJock> and if it does it doesn't do anything
[07:54] <LaserJock> so you uploaded a new .changes
[07:54] <LaserJock> but it wants to use the old .orig.tar.gz
[07:55] <laga> i also uploaded a new orig.tar.gz.. not sure if it was used, though
[07:55] <silwol> LaserJock: got a rejection...
[07:55] <laga> LaserJock: right. that's what i'll upload a new .changes with the old checksums
[07:55] <silwol> LaserJock:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36463/
[07:55] <LaserJock> silwol: that's why it didn't show up in needs waiting
[07:56] <jkakar> I'm a bit confused; should I still be using upload.dogfood.launchpad.net for my PPA?
[07:56] <silwol> yes, i guess i wass too quick with reading the introduction
[07:56] <laga> jkakar: no
[07:56] <LaserJock> laga: how are you building your source package
[07:56] <LaserJock> jkakar: ppa.launchpad.net I believe
[07:56] <jkakar> LaserJock: Ah, thanks.  I'll switch over.
[07:56] <laga> LaserJock: debuild -S -i -sa 
[07:57] <LaserJock> silwol: you need to have an Ubuntu release in the changelog
[07:57] <laga> LaserJock: orig.tar.gz is already there
[07:57] <LaserJock> laga: so you debuild -S
[07:57] <LaserJock> -sa tells it to include the .orig.tar.gz
[07:57] <mrevell> jkakar: Hi. Thanks for your suggestions re documentation. I'm making a list of improvements needed to the PPA docs  and will include your requests. I may come back for mor einfo.
[07:57] <laga> LaserJock: i just did debuild -S -sd, wouldn't that work as well?
[07:57] <jkakar> mrevell: You're most welcome, thanks for listening! :)
[07:58] <mrevell> jkakar: Always value feedback :)
[07:58] <LaserJock> laga: debuild -S should work just fine
[07:58] <laga> LaserJock: i will try that.
[07:58] <jkakar> mrevell: Yeah, it's a nice way to be. :)
[07:58] <mrevell> :)
[07:59] <mrevell> I'd like to call a close to the official meeting, as we're coming close to 18.00 UTC. However
[07:59] <mrevell> please do feel free to continue your conversations, obviously :)
[07:59] <mrevell> haha
[07:59] <mrevell> Thank you for attending the meeting. We'll have another nearer to the release of Launchpad 1.1.9, which is due on 19th September. The meeting agenda will be at:
[07:59] <mrevell> https://help.launchpad.net/UsersMeeting
[08:00] <LaserJock> mrevell: I was going to bring up what silwol ran into, PPAs don't accept debian release names
[08:01] <silwol> that's what I just thought too... I packaged as described in the debian new maintainer guide
[08:01] <laga> LaserJock: ok, i just did an upload without the orig.tar.gz. it's still rejected
[08:01] <LaserJock> as Ubuntu is ~3/4 made up of packages with debian release names I think it's a bit inconsistent
[08:01] <laga> "Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification."
[08:01] <LaserJock> laga: what was the error/message
[08:01] <mrevell> LaserJock: Apologies. Do you feel we should make that clearer in the PPA guide - i.e. Ubuntu release names only?
[08:01] <LaserJock> no, I think you should change that policy :-)
[08:02] <laga> LaserJock: ^^
[08:02] <LaserJock> laga: did it properly rebuild the .changes?
[08:02] <laga> LaserJock: yes. new changelog entry is there, i'll check the md5sums now
[08:04] <laga> LaserJock: md5sums seem to be OK. :(
[08:05] <LaserJock> laga: does the .changes include a line for the .orig.tar.gz ?
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #137577 in malone "Launchpad should allow for different search options to be saved" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137577
[08:06] <laga> LaserJock: no.
[08:07] <LaserJock> laga: hmm, and at what time did you get that error message?
[08:07] <laga> LaserJock: oh, forgot to say that. the error message also included: "MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive"
[08:07] <laga> LaserJock: it's in the email i got
[08:07] <mrevell> Guys, I have to leave for a few hours. THanks again for attending .If you have PPA questions, please direct them to launchpad-users.
[08:07] <laga> from "launchpad ppa"
[08:07] <laga> mrevell: cya later
[08:09] <LaserJock> laga: hmm, that's interesting
[08:09] <laga> LaserJock: i have to run now. i'll be back in 30 minutes. 
[08:09] <LaserJock> laga: check the .dsc and see what it has for md5sums
[08:09] <kiko> laga, that means that you omitted the orig, probably
[08:09] <LaserJock> I gotta run as well
[08:10] <kiko> or that you uploaded a file with the same filename and different contents
[08:10] <laga> LaserJock: duh, thanks! i have to change the md5sum in the .dsc!
[08:10] <laga> thanks a bunch
[08:10] <LaserJock> kiko: how easy is it to get files removed from a PPA?
[08:11] <kiko> LaserJock, there's a 2 week waiting time. <wink>
[08:11] <LaserJock> kiko: and it really should be possible to upload packages with Debian releases in debian/changelog
[08:11] <LaserJock> kiko: that quick? excellent
[08:12] <kiko> LaserJock, for the latter I suggest you file a bug :)
[08:13] <LaserJock> I went to upload a gigantic TeX package and realized it was for unstable
[08:13] <hggdh> mrevell: bug 137577 has been opened on default search options
[08:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137577 in malone "Launchpad should allow for different search options to be saved" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137577
[08:17] <silwol> LaserJock: I just tried an upload again, got rejected once more: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36467/
[08:18] <silwol> where do i have to upload the orig.tar.gz?
[08:19] <LaserJock> when you build the source package use debuild -S -sa
[08:19] <LaserJock> the -sa tells it to inculde the .orig.tar.gz in the upload
[08:21] <LaserJock> and make sure in the .changes file that it shows a line for the .orig.tar.gz
[08:21] <silwol> ah, okay
[08:21] <silwol> what does this line have to look like?
[08:21] <LaserJock> and if you reupload, make sure to us dput -f or remove the .upload file
[08:22] <LaserJock> silwol: it should be automatically created
[08:22] <LaserJock> but it will look something like <md5sum> <size> <filename>
[08:23] <silwol> okay, just sent it. waiting for reply email
[08:25] <LaserJock> kiko, mrevell-dinner: perhaps a "PPA and packaging 101" class might be a helpful thing?
[08:28] <kiko> LaserJock, indeed it does. wanna help out?
[08:28] <LaserJock> probably ;-)
[08:29] <LaserJock> in the past it seems to work fairly well to hold an IRC session
[08:29] <kiko> I can send you free cycling apparel in exchange
[08:29] <LaserJock> then take the log and turn it into a doc
[08:29] <LaserJock> kiko: hmm, you've seen me, do I look like a cyclist? ;-)
[08:29] <kiko> everybody looks like a cyclist
[08:30] <LaserJock> lol
[08:30] <LaserJock> well, lets work on a time
[08:30] <LaserJock> it'd be nice if cprov was handy
[08:30] <LaserJock> and we can tag-team it
[08:30] <kiko> yeah, we should do it next week at the earliest
[08:31] <LaserJock> kiko: I gotta run, I'll email launchpad-users
[08:39] <silwol> hmmm, LaserJock is gone now, maybe somebody else can help me out.... what could be wrong here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36470/
[08:43] <kiko> silwol, are you a beta tester and an ubuntero?
[08:43] <silwol> yes
[08:43] <silwol> both
[08:43] <kiko> silwol, and you're uploading to ppa.launchpad.net?
[08:43] <silwol> just double-checked if it is the same gpg key that I have in the launchpad account
[08:44] <silwol> yes
[08:44] <silwol> just found out that I had overread step 4 from the quickstart guide (In debian/control, use this syntax Section:universe/devel.)
[08:44] <silwol> just trying again with that changed
[08:46] <silwol> nope, same error again
[08:51] <silwol> well, i guess i will try it again another time... i go to bed now
[08:52] <silwol> good night and thanks for your help
[09:19] <yml> hello launchpaders
[09:19] <yml> QUestion of the day
[09:20] <yml> :-)
[09:20] <yml> How can I delete a bzr branch on launchpad
[09:20] <yml> ?
[09:20] <yml> I try with sftp without success
[09:21] <kiko> yml, you can delete it on the branch page itself.
[09:21] <kiko> (or at least I can)
[09:22] <yml> hello Kiko
[09:22] <yml> I am re reading the page but I cannot see "delete"
[09:23] <kiko> maybe only I can
[09:23] <kiko> yml, what's the page?
[09:23] <yml> could you please tell me where is the link on the page
[09:24] <kiko> let me have the URL
[09:24] <yml> I want to remove all the branch there
[09:25] <yml> https://code.launchpad.net/django-survey
[09:25] <yml> :-)
[09:25] <yml> I am discovering to I was a bit to entousiatic
[09:26] <kiko> yml, how so?
[09:27] <yml> pardon me?
[09:27] <kiko> what do you mean you were over-enthusiastic?
[09:27] <kiko> https://code.launchpad.net/~yml-nospam/django-survey/main-yui2/+delete
[09:28] <kiko> https://code.launchpad.net/~yml-nospam/django-survey/test/+delete
[09:28] <yml> I have done a lot of test form different computer and at the end I have created a huge mess on my project "django-survey"
[09:28] <kiko> yml, gotcha.
[09:28] <kiko> well the links above should delete
[09:29] <yml> you mean that if I add delete after a branch it will delete it?
[09:30] <kiko> no, there's a link "Delete branch" on the branch pages.
[09:33] <yml> kiko, where is this link on the page?
[09:33] <kiko> yml, on the left-hand panel.
[09:33] <kiko> Actions.
[09:34] <yml> kiko I do not have it
[09:34] <yml> do you know why I cannot delete that one? https://code.launchpad.net/~yml-nospam/+junk/test
[09:35] <yml> and that one also: https://code.launchpad.net/~yml-nospam/django-survey/main-yui
[09:38] <kiko> yml, it's odd. mwh, ddaa: is the delete branch link only available to admins?
[09:38] <ddaa> because it has revisions in it
[09:38] <ddaa> kiko: do you see the delete branch link?
[09:38] <yml> may be you have more power that you think
[09:39] <pwnguin> do ppas really announce to gutsy-changes like it states in the email i just got?
[09:39] <kiko> ddaa, I do.
[09:39] <kiko> pwnguin, they don't.
[09:39] <kiko> it's a bug!
[09:39] <pwnguin> phew
[09:39] <pwnguin> i dont think anyone cares that i just uploaded hello-debhelper to a ppa ;)
[09:39] <ddaa> kiko: I think it's behaving as designed, but you should ask thumper, I played no part in this bit.
[09:40] <kiko> ddaa, the issue is that yml does not appear to have that link present.
[09:40] <ddaa> kiko: because there are revisions in the branch.
[09:40] <ddaa> users can delete bogus branches with no revisions
[09:41] <ddaa> as I said, you should ask thumper for details about the why.
[09:41] <yml> ddaa: I need to do a bzr uncommit -r 0 --force; bzr push
[09:41] <ddaa> yml: you need to ask kiko
[09:41] <yml> and then delete
[09:41] <ddaa> yml: you could try that, I guess.
[09:42] <ddaa> no idea if that would work
[09:42] <ddaa> the system does record empty branches differently from "no branch there"
[09:42] <ddaa> I guess it is sort of intentional to make it hard to delete useful things by mistake
[09:43] <kiko> yes.
[09:43] <ddaa> yml: most of the time if there is actual data, it's better to set the status to "abandoned" or to rename or reassign the branch.
[09:43] <thumper> shortly you'll be able to delete branches with revisions, but not just yet
[09:44] <ddaa> yml: why do you want to delete the branch?
[09:44] <yml> because there is information that shouldn't be there
[09:44] <yml> TOP SECRET
[09:44] <yml> lol
[09:44] <ddaa> thumper: nuclear launch codes use case
[09:45] <ddaa> thumper: think about it when it comes to shared repos
[09:45] <kiko> thumper, can you answer yml's question soon? :)
[09:45] <thumper> ddaa: I'm fairly sure that the shared repo design can handle this
[09:45] <ddaa> kiko: please delete the branch then
[09:46] <ddaa> yml: note that push --overwrite -r0 will NOT remove the data from the public repo
[09:46] <thumper> I've heard that a push --overwrite with an empty branch works
[09:46] <kiko> thumper, yml should be able to access those pages, though, right?
[09:46] <kiko> yml, and you can't you said?
[09:46] <thumper> ddaa: once the branch is deleted, it can no longer be accessed even over http
[09:46] <yml> does delete remove everything?
[09:47] <thumper> even if the actual data is still there
[09:47] <ddaa> thumper: yes, but that's not what I said.
[09:47] <thumper> right
[09:47] <yml> kiko   now i understand the pb
[09:48] <kiko> heh
[09:48] <kiko> cool
[09:48] <ddaa> yml: it just removes the database object, without which the data is inaccessible to the public
[09:48] <yml> the confusion come from the fact is option is only available when I do first a bzr uncommit -r0; bzr push
[09:48] <ddaa> even though the actual bzr data will still be on our server
[09:48] <ddaa> it's a feature, apparently...
[09:50] <yml> ddaa   is ther a logiq that I cannot delete simply with sftp
[09:50] <yml> sorry logic
[09:50] <ddaa> 1. sftp hacking is not encouraged, and sftp will be phased out soon if favor of bzr+ssh
[09:51] <ddaa> 2. would be extra work for a use case that is not compelling
[09:51] <ddaa> the ability to delete branches at all is pretty new
[09:52] <ddaa> 3. would be inconvenient for error reporting in cases where the branch cannot be deleted for some reason
[09:52] <ddaa> could find more reasons like that...
[09:53] <ddaa> The sftp thing is really a big hack
[09:53] <ddaa> it's a clever facade to a more complex system
[09:53] <kiko> heh
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137605 in launchpad "incorrecct PPA acceptance mail" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137605
[09:55] <ddaa> yml: also, there is the fact that sftp does not support recursive delete
[09:56] <ddaa> so deleting a branch with sftp is bound to be painful, unless you use lftp or nautilus
[09:56] <ddaa> and making the sftp remove behave as if were recursive for branches would probably be too hackish...
[09:57] <yml> ddaa : I understand
[09:57] <ddaa> (not hard per se, just unexpected and dangerous)
[10:00] <kiko> for the record
[10:00] <kiko> silwol was uploading to the main distribution, not to his ppa.
[10:00] <kiko> a problem in his dput configuration most likely.
[10:08] <LaserJock> kiko: oh
[10:09] <LaserJock> kiko: I think people uploading to the wrong place is going to come up quite a bit
[10:10] <kiko> LaserJock, not easy to detect unfortunately :-(
[10:11] <laga> LaserJock: thanks for your help earlier. my PPA accepted the upload.
[10:11] <laga> now i need to find out why it's still not musing multiverse to resolve dependencies
[10:12] <LaserJock> laga: did you upload it to multiverse?
[10:12] <laga> LaserJock: no, to my PPA ;)
[10:12] <laga> i put Section: multiverse into debian/control, though
[10:12] <LaserJock> just multiverse?
[10:13] <laga> yes. do i need anything else?
[10:13] <LaserJock> usually the section
[10:13] <laga> oh
[10:13] <LaserJock> like multiverse/text or multiverse/gnome 
[10:13] <laga> Section: multiverse/graphics then?
[10:13] <laga> thanks.
[10:14] <laga> i never explored those parts of debian packaging :)
[10:14] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if that's the problem or not, but that is the correct way to do it
[10:14] <laga> i'll just try
[10:15] <laga> hum
[10:15] <laga> i'll better try tomorrow since i don't have everything i need on this box. :( again, thanks for your help
[10:16] <LaserJock> no problem
[10:22] <nealmcb> I'm looking again for advice on bug 136593.  How does launchpad/ppa decide what distro to build against after a package has been uploaded with dput?
[10:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136593 in soyuz "no status update after dput for ppa package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136593
[10:26] <LaserJock> nealmcb: what do you mean, "what distro"?
[10:27] <kiko> nealmcb, it decides what release based on your .changes file (or your upload sub-sub-directory, if you use it)
[10:27] <kiko-afk> I have physio now
[10:27] <kiko-afk> back in a bit.
[10:31] <brmassa> guys, how can i push my changes to launchpad from a windows machine?
[10:31] <brmassa> im having problems with ssh...
[10:32] <brmassa> well... the lack of ssh in fact
[10:32] <LaserJock> brmassa: pushing a bzr repo?
[10:33] <brmassa> yep. i commited on my machine now i want to push to my rep on launchpad
[10:33] <LaserJock> did you try with sftp:// ?
[10:33] <brmassa> and get it all back when i go home!
[10:33] <brmassa> yes
[10:33] <brmassa> but it needs ssh right?
[10:33] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[10:34] <mthaddon> brmassa, can you just install putty?
[10:34] <LaserJock> I thought bzr had internal support for sftp
[10:34] <brmassa> hmmm its giving me errors
[10:34] <brmassa> putty? hmmm i will see.
[10:34] <mthaddon> brmassa, what errors are you seeing?
[10:35] <mthaddon> putty is just a Windows ssh client...
[10:36] <brmassa> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Unable to authenticate to SSH host as ...... Bad authentication type (allowed_types=['plublickyes'] )
[10:36] <LaserJock> ah, so it needs your ssh key presumably
[10:37] <mthaddon> brmassa, so that means you need a public key/private key setup 
[10:37] <mthaddon> brmassa - if you use the key on linux, you'll need the same one on Windows to be able to authenticate
[10:37] <brmassa> yep... i have a key on my kubuntu on home... im now using windows on office.
[10:37] <brmassa> i will try to get it.
[10:37] <mthaddon> brmassa, you should be able to import the ssh key using putty tools
[10:37] <brmassa> thanks. if i get trouble, i return.
[10:49] <mdke> danilos: I haven't been involved in kubuntu-docs this cycle, I'll pass on your message
[10:55] <jkakar> What does the number after the "Pending (###)" on the PPA build status page mean?
[10:55] <LaserJock> jkakar: got a url? I'm not sure
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #137621 in malone "Tag links should point to the full list of tagged bugs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137621
[12:11] <Lure> my ppa is around 1GB - will I still be able to upload or somebody need to manually clean it?
[12:12] <LaserJock> hah, you made it already
[12:12] <LaserJock> I was gonna try it today and see what happens
[12:16] <Lure> LaserJock: yep, 5 kdepim uploads helped with that (hunting crashes from svn)
[12:17] <LaserJock> doesn't it remove the old versions?
[12:17] <Lure> LaserJock: if superseeding would auto-remove, I would not have a problem with space
[12:18] <Lure> LaserJock: it says PendingRemoval, so it might
[12:18] <LaserJock> hmm, I wouldn't be able to get 2 uploads of TeX then in
[12:18] <LaserJock> it's about 700MB total for 1 upload
[12:20] <Lure> LaserJock: ok, so it might work, just it removes only when needed...
[12:21] <LaserJock> I have no idea
[12:21] <Lure> anyway will try to upload more stuff tommorow and we will see
[12:21] <LaserJock> I haven't gotten that far ;-)
[12:21] <Lure> 1 GB is enough for me if auto-removal would work 
[12:21] <Lure> manul removal would be nice (planned in 3 weeks)