[12:48] <_gpg_> mpt i may be confused, but it seem that had already published some part of it i'm i wrong ? [12:49] _gpg_, yes, the CSCVS code is public [12:49] <_gpg_> mpt ty again [12:50] https://launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs [12:50] the Storm code is also public [12:51] <_gpg_> good job to all btw [12:51] which Launchpad is adopting [12:55] https://launchpad.net/storm [12:57] How can I get dput to upload the .orig.tar.gz to ppa? === kelp [n=kelp@68-166-181-146.adsl2.lbdsl.net] has joined #launchpad [12:58] (at the moment, it only uploads the .dsc, .diff.gz, and .changes) [01:05] hello https://translations.launchpad.net/libwnck is libwnck translatable project ? === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-126-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad [01:20] AlinuxOS, what the page says is true [01:24] mpt, so it's not translatable? [01:25] AlinuxOS, it probably is translatable, but it's not set up for translation in Launchpad === fernando150 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-498140eebf0dfb4e] has joined #launchpad [01:25] mpt, ah [01:25] bad :( [01:25] Is there some way we could make that clearer on the page? === fernando150 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-8841754c65e3a43f] has joined #launchpad [01:26] bigjools, can you answer ryanakca's question? [01:27] "Always On _Top" is the string that I would like to translate into my language... and it's contained in libwnck. === fernando150 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-bf99bdf832ea49cc] has joined #launchpad [01:28] AlinuxOS, so do what the page says, and talk with the registrant [01:28] mpt, ok thank you! ;) [01:28] He should at least be able to point you in the right direction to help with the translations [01:30] New bug: #137397 in blueprint "Implement tags for Blueprints" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137397 [01:57] <_gpg_> y'a pas une solution libre pour lire les fichiers .mov ? [01:57] <_gpg_> oops [01:57] <_gpg_> omg === sydhart [n=dhart@124-170-17-254.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad [01:57] <_gpg_> very sry === Paracha [i=Coder@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad === tck [n=tck@213-202-170-177.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #launchpad === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-20-34.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [02:29] mpt: Riddell answered it for me :)... I needed to run 'debuild -S -sa' instead of just 'debuild -S' === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@tetkyo044225.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #launchpad === Philip5 [n=Philip@c83-253-56-100.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #launchpad [03:00] New bug: #137408 in malone "Assignees of duplicate bug reports get unstoppable bugmail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137408 [03:05] New bug: #137411 in rosetta "Launchpad UI mentions "Rosetta"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137411 === ionstorm [n=ion@70-58-119-250.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === kiko [n=kiko@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.active.kiko] has joined #launchpad === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #launchpad === zzorn_afk is now known as zzorn_sleep === kiko is now known as kiko-afk === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@220-253-85-85.QLD.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === pwnguin [n=jld5445@camaro.cis.ksu.edu] has joined #launchpad === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus_ [n=irc@147.80-202-51.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === jamesh_ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #launchpad === fernando150 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-0a4f9ae1bfc88ccd] has joined #launchpad === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === fernando150 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-9902d5c9e790fcef] has joined #launchpad [05:39] so i read on planet today that the ppas are moving forward [05:39] what should i expect for turnaround time on joining launchpad-beta team? [05:45] pwnguin: https://help.launchpad.net/JoiningLaunchpadBetaTesters has the details [05:45] pwnguin: if you follow those guidelines it shouldn't take long [05:46] i got a mail from revell 8 hours ago [05:48] so you've agreed to the membership conditions? [05:48] yes [05:48] Matthew is in the UK, so is most likely asleep right now [05:48] good point [05:48] he'll probably see your mail when he wakes up === Prognatus__ [n=irc@147.80-202-51.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus__ is now known as Prognatus === mayeco [n=mayeco@201.218.116.200] has joined #launchpad === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus__ [n=irc@147.80-202-51.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad [07:51] New bug: #137446 in launchpad "No option to decline PPA Terms of Service" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137446 === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad [07:56] New bug: #137447 in launchpad "PPA Terms of Service one sided" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137447 [08:01] New bug: #137448 in launchpad "New UI is confusing and counter inuitive for changing affected package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137448 [08:19] lifeless: WoW ping, as delegated by jml [08:22] RAOF: hah! [08:22] hehe [08:23] ajmitch: that's the problem with kids these days, no responsibility. [08:23] jml: Gotta get the maximal pingage :P [08:23] jml: back in my day, things were different! === zzorn_sleep is now known as zzorn_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #launchpad [08:57] will a PPA accept a package with a Debian version in the changelog? [08:57] morning [08:59] bah, I gotta run, I'll check back in the morning :-) === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === alpha-mouse [n=Ivan@212.98.161.90] has joined #launchpad === alpha-mouse [n=Ivan@212.98.161.90] has left #launchpad [] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === Paracha [i=Coder@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad [09:10] can indirect members of a team upload to a team PPA? (I assume so) === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad [09:22] mdke: Yes. [09:22] A direct member is for pretty much any purpose the same as an indirect member. [09:22] that's what I thought too [09:23] I wonder if there should be a concept of a "related team" that doesn't have that effect === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus__ [n=irc@147.80-202-51.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus__ is now known as Prognatus [09:29] mdke: what sort of relations are you thinking of? [09:33] jamesh: I'm wondering about how to deal with different documentation teams for ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu etc [09:33] an umbrella team would be the way to go I suppose, but I can't think of a name for it :) === intellectronica [n=intellec@host86-139-53-135.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #launchpad === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === mpt_ [n=mpt@121-72-144-76.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@tetkyo100114.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #launchpad === Skinkie [n=skinkie@85.113.130.159] has joined #launchpad [09:52] Evil question: will git be ever supported as alternative versioning? [09:54] More interesting question: will git import to bzr be supported anytime soon :) [09:54] what are the pro's over git for bzr? [09:55] Skinkie: http://bazaar-vcs.org/RcsComparisons has some info on that. === gmb is now known as gmb-afk [09:58] jml: on wikipedia, exactly same specs ;) so launchpad supports git when bazaar supports importing git? === mwh [n=mwh@62-31-157-102.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === doko_ is now known as doko === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad === mwhudson [n=mwh@62-31-157-102.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === ..[topic/#launchpad:mrevell] : Users meeting today (5 Sept) at 17.00 UTC | Next developer meeting: Thu 30 Aug 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad |Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === allenap [n=allenap@212.233.37.68] has joined #launchpad === Skinkie [n=skinkie@85.113.130.159] has left #launchpad [] === Skinkie [n=skinkie@85.113.130.159] has joined #launchpad [10:18] another newbie question. I uploaded a translation as project owner, how do i 'review' the template? [10:18] Skinkie: we (the admins) do it for you, once that's done, future updates to it will be done automatically [10:19] so what happens if i want to update my pot file [10:19] will you review this again? [10:20] as I just said, future updates will not require any review from us [10:20] it will auto approved automatically [10:20] it will be auto approved automatically === gmb-afk is now known as gmb [10:24] okidoki :) maybe i missed this in the FAQ :) (no help available for that page too) === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #launchpad [10:30] Skinkie: yeah, the documentation itself needs to be improved :-( === Prognatus__ [n=irc@147.80-202-51.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === Skinkie [n=skinkie@85.113.130.159] has joined #launchpad [11:05] mmm... i guess i missed my answer :{ [11:05] where can i say "i want to use launchpad as my primary bugtracker?" === gianmt [n=gianmt@host154-108-static.187-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === kompressor [n=kompress@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === never|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-118-042.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #launchpad === jsk [n=jonathan@client-86-27-168-83.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #launchpad === laga [n=laga@mythwiki.de] has joined #launchpad [11:23] hi. i'm being a bit blind here - how can i create a new team on launchpad? [11:26] "register a team" on https://launchpad.net/people [11:26] thanks a lot. launchpad can be confusing sometimes [11:27] yes it can :/ [11:31] ...i found my bugtracking question inside the project properties :{ it looks like these properties are not the same as registrating === Skinkie [n=skinkie@85.113.130.159] has left #launchpad [] === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #launchpad === gmb is now known as gmb-afk === bostik [n=bostik@006027.pdl.csp.it] has joined #launchpad [12:04] hi all [12:14] is there any documentation for launchpad? i have a lot of trouble finding my way around here. [12:15] oh, i just foudn what i was looking for on help.launchpad.net [12:16] odd. i was looking for the ppa documentation, but it didn't come up when i entered "ppa" into the search box [12:24] laga: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart [12:25] thats the only doc ive seen for ppa and its good since it works ;) [12:26] hey guys the PPA doc need to be edited [12:26] gnomefreak: thanks, i found that :) === laga uploads some packages [12:26] its no longer beta === gnomefreak tired of uploading packages [12:27] im on my last for the week i think [12:27] heh [12:27] took me a while to find out how to sign my packages, but now i'm good [12:28] i was laying in hospital still uploading packages :( [12:28] that's true dedication [12:28] either that or i would have that much work when i got out === bigjools [n=ed@canonical/launchpad/bigjools] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak needs to try and get someone to backport bzr bzr-tools bzr-builddeb to feisty === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad [12:51] should new uploads show up immediately in ppa? i'm still getting "No Currently building builds for Personal Package Archive for Mythbuntu experimental." [12:52] no it takes time [12:52] thanks [12:52] they go to build every 20 minutes or so [12:52] was just afraid i broke something === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-127-194.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #launchpad [12:54] nope not yet uploading wont break but you should check your email to see if it was accepted [12:54] thanks [12:54] yw [12:55] email will also tell you if it was a fail to build but that will be later maybe give it an hour or 2 (ive waited a while for it to build) maybe because it was busy or something === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #launchpad === tck [n=tck@213-202-170-177.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@87.1.130.57] has joined #launchpad === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@dhcp-131-114-3-79.di.unipi.it] has joined #launchpad [01:27] hi all [01:27] somebody knows why bug #49594 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/49594 is marked as "not in ubuntu"? [01:27] Launchpad bug 49594 in gnome-session "Bonobo-activation-server sometimes is not killed after session restart, leading to many unexpected problems" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) [01:27] Launchpad bug 49594 in gnome-session "Bonobo-activation-server sometimes is not killed after session restart, leading to many unexpected problems" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49594 - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) [01:27] I am going mad about that [01:28] have to go for lunch [01:28] but want to leave my bug reporting work polished :) [01:29] ok solved [01:29] maybe gnome-session is no longer an ubuntu package [01:29] adding an ubuntu package solved it === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@dhcp-131-114-3-79.di.unipi.it] has left #launchpad ["Leaving."] === Martinp24 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #launchpad === gmb-afk is now known as gmb === Martinp24 is now known as Martinp23 === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === Starting logfile irclogs/launchpad.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #launchpad === Topic for #launchpad: Users meeting today (5 Sept) at 17.00 UTC | Next developer meeting: Thu 30 Aug 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad |Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === Topic (#launchpad): set by mrevell at Wed Sep 5 10:09:34 2007 === salgado [n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado] has joined #launchpad === Philip5 [n=Philip@c83-253-56-100.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad [02:12] kiko-afk: who needs to be asked if a package is not built on the ppa builders? === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has left #launchpad ["Konversation] === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@foresight/developer/OgMaciel] has joined #launchpad === welterde [n=welterde@trujillo.srv.pocoo.org] has joined #launchpad === deadwill [n=deadwill@146037.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=david@canonical/launchpad/ddaa] has joined #launchpad [02:45] New bug: #137498 in malone "Order bugs by number of duplicates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137498 [02:45] New bug: #137499 in malone "Order bugs by number of comments" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137499 [02:46] um [02:46] i just got an email saying: "PPA is only allowed for members of launchpad-beta-testers team." [02:47] am i missing something here? i thought PPA was open for everyone === radhios [n=radhios@200.47.67.169] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [03:01] aah! [03:01] this is really great. reply-to is no_reply@launchpad.net [03:01] yet i'm told to reply if i need help [03:14] laga: PPA is indeed only open for beta testers [03:15] bigjools: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart [03:15] the FAQ is wrong then. [03:15] "Yes, this service is available to any developer who wants to publish packages of their free software code." [03:15] laga: read the very first line on that page [03:16] bigjools: gah, right. :/ [03:16] specifically "PPAs are now in BETA, please join the launchpad-beta-testers team if you want to try them out." [03:16] i was mislead by the fact that it moved from dogfood. to regular launchpad [03:16] :) [03:17] thanks for bearing with me :) === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [03:20] well, i have request membership to the launchpad-beta-testers team. let's hope the launchpads gods are grateful === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #launchpad [03:21] heya [03:21] how can I find out who subscribed me to the distributed-package-management spec? === cypherbios [n=cyr@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #launchpad === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-184-217.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #launchpad === sinzu2 [n=sinzui@pool-70-18-235-130.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad [03:56] could someone here accept me into launchpad betatesting team? I'm interested in the ppa feature. [03:57] xhaker: mrevell-lunch can probably help you with that when he is back [03:58] statik: thanks [03:58] thanks statik :) [03:58] xhaker: Hi. Thanks for your interest! Have you applied to join the team? [03:58] barry: meeting time? [03:58] yes, in 1m27s :) [03:58] mrevell, yes, I did. I don't understand the requirement to mail feedback@ [03:59] it's not very clear at the help pages === statik scowls suspiciously at his computer, and decides not to believe that it is using NTP [03:59] xhaker: Is your Launchpad username xhaker also? [03:59] xhaker: I'm sorry you found the help page to be unclear. [03:59] mrevell, yes, the username is xhaker [04:00] hi everybody. for the next 45 minutes or less, we will be having the EU/US launchpad reviewer's meeting [04:00] == Agenda == [04:00] * Roll call [04:00] * Next meeting [04:00] * Queue status [04:00] * Barry has been slack with last EU/US meeting minutes [04:00] * Mentors wanted [04:00] xhaker: As there's a meeting, I'll PM you [04:00] * Roll call [04:00] who's here? [04:00] me [04:00] me === sinzu2 [n=sinzui@pool-70-18-235-130.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad [04:01] me [04:01] statik, kiko, SteveA: ping? [04:01] me [04:02] okay [04:02] * Next meeting === radhios [n=radhios@200.47.67.169] has joined #launchpad [04:02] same time and place next week? are there any objections or advanced apologies? === zyth [n=zyth@wnpgmb06dc1-0-52.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #Launchpad [04:03] 5 === sinzu2 is now known as sinzui-is [04:03] 4 [04:03] 3 [04:03] 2 [04:03] 1 [04:03] okay, we'll meet again here next week, 1400 utc [04:03] * Queue status [04:04] looks to me like we have 25 assigned needs-review items, 5 unassigned [04:05] 18 needs-review over the sla [04:05] i have quite a few; i'm just finishing up my re-review of carlos's mega branch and am still catching up from the sprint [04:06] looks like kiko wins the oldest needs-review branch award again :) === sinzui-is is now known as sinzu2 [04:06] with stub coming in next === sinzu2 is now known as sinzui-is [04:06] statik, bac: how are you guys recovering from the sprint? :) === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has left #launchpad ["Ex-Chat"] [04:07] barry: doing well. did an easy review for jtv yesterday and have one in the queue. [04:07] barry: ok, I should be back to reviewing today/tomorrow [04:07] cool. anyone else have anything to add about the current queue state? [04:08] next week is FUN WEEK :) [04:08] moving on... [04:08] * Barry has been slack with last EU/US meeting minutes === barry sucks [04:09] i need to search out the irc log from last week's meeting. i'll do that when i post the meeting minutes for this week too [04:09] * Mentors wanted [04:09] now the important topic [04:09] all 5 of our invitees have accepted so we need to round up mentors [04:10] any volunteers from the eu/us crowd? === barry is deafened by the silence [04:11] I'll volunteer if it means I get someone in my time zone [04:11] barry: i'd be happy to act as a backup-mentor, but i don't think i'll have time to be a primary mentor for someone [04:11] so i think all of our new reviewers are in the eu/us [04:11] not jtv === statik meant that to sound more positive [04:11] statik: cool, thanks. how about you take sinzui? he's in edt [04:11] barry: ok [04:12] excellent. BjornT, thanks, i'm sure we'll need backups too === bac steps up [04:12] bac: thanks, any preferences? [04:13] barry: no [04:13] bac: how about intellectronica? [04:13] barry: ok [04:14] bac: cool, thanks. [04:14] that leaves mwhudson, jml, and jtv. i'm happy to take one of them and don't care who [04:14] salgado: do you think you'll have time to mentor someone? [04:15] otherwise, we'll ask the au folks for volunteers, and then i guess i'll just assign mentors and backups [04:15] but au will be less convenient because of the timezone differences [04:15] barry, I don't think so, but I can certainly act as a backup this time [04:15] jml should go with an au mentor [04:16] bac: cool [04:16] salgado: cool [04:17] okay, i'll send an email to the mlist. it would be great to get those guys reviewing branches next week [04:17] that's it for me. anybody have anything else to add? [04:17] 5 [04:17] 4 [04:17] 3 [04:17] 2 [04:17] 7 [04:17] 1 [04:17] MEETING ENDS [04:17] thanks everyone [04:18] soren: you almost made me lose count :) [04:18] \o/ === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad [04:18] SteveA: if you're awake, can you please accept my request for membership on launchpad-beta-testers? i'd like to use PPA.. and of course, report bugs if i find any === radhios is now known as radhios__ === never|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-92-047.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #launchpad [04:24] hey xhaker - did you get my PM? [04:24] laga: Hi [04:25] laga: I look after Launchpad beta testers. Could you let me know your Launchpad username and display name, then I'll be able to find your application. [04:25] mrevell, in here? no [04:25] laga: Hmm. It must be that I'm not registered with Freenode. [04:25] xhaker: What's your Launchpad username? [04:25] mrevell, xhaker [04:26] xhaker: And you display name? [04:26] mrevell, Flvio Martins I presume [04:27] laga: Have you applied for membership? I can't find an application under laga or Michael Haas. [04:27] xhaker: Right, I've found you. You applied last night, right? [04:27] xhaker: Cool, I'll send you an email that tells you what you need to do next. [04:28] /who freenode/staff/* === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad [04:29] mrevell, thanks, i look forward to it. === radhios__ is now known as radhios === sinzui-is is now known as sinzui [04:31] mrevell: yes, i have applied for membership. it even says "Your membership is awaiting approval from one of this team's administrators." on https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers/+join === radhios [n=radhios@unaffiliated/radhios] has joined #launchpad [04:33] mrevell: my launchpad name is "laga" === superm1_ is now known as superm1 [04:38] laga: Ah, I've found you. You applied to join about an hour ago, right? Great, I'll get an email to you. [04:38] mrevell: yes. [04:39] mrevell: sorry for the impatience, but i'm *really* keen on trying the PPAs :) [04:39] laga: No problem, it's great that you want to use the PPA! :) [04:39] laga: Sorry I had difficulty finding your application. === kiko [n=kiko@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.active.kiko] has joined #launchpad [04:40] cool, that's my first NDA. heh [04:41] mrevell: is launchpad-users a closed list? i'm not sure how i am to discuss "secret" stuff there === sinzui [n=sinzui@pool-70-18-235-130.res.east.verizon.net] has left #launchpad [] [04:42] mrevell, done ;) [04:42] laga, it's not a closed list. [04:42] laga: Ah, it's not an NDA :) It's far more relaxed than that. It's just a request to avoid blogging about beta features until the feature goes live. [04:43] laga: As kiko says, it's not a closed list. The features you'll test aren't secret and we'd love to see your thoughts on launchpad-users. [04:43] ok, thank you. [04:43] xhaker: thanks. I'll check my mail and get you in the team. [04:44] mrevell: i've just replied [04:45] laga: Great, thanks. I'll get you in the team too! [04:45] thanks === laga gets dput ready === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad [04:56] New bug: #137535 in soyuz "Soyuz should store package uploader and approval details" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137535 [04:56] bigjools, don't we already store the package uploader? or not exactly? [04:56] kiko: we store the signer if it's signed [04:57] but is that the same person who uploaded it? who knows [04:57] bigjools, there's no way of knowing who really uploaded, though, is there? [04:58] kiko: not at present [04:58] mrevell: thanks!! YMMD :) [04:58] laga: :-D No problem, thanks for joining. I'd love to hear what you think of PPA. Let us know on the launchpad-users list. [04:58] will do [04:58] kiko: although I am using the signer for the team PPA "uploader" column [04:59] bigjools, not at present, and we'd have to change something user-visible to be able to capture it. [04:59] bigjools, the signer is the uploader for all practical reasons [04:59] xhaker: Got your welcome email yet? [04:59] so I'm a bit confused about the bug above. [04:59] kiko: they are ones that Mark wanted, I am literally about to send an email about it :) [04:59] mrevell, got it just now (0 minutes ago) [05:00] xhaker: Great. [05:00] New bug: #137537 in soyuz "When packate deletion is supported, store package deletion details" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137537 === \sh is now known as \sh_away === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.professional.rinchen] has joined #launchpad === mok0 [n=mok@ghost.imsb.au.dk] has joined #launchpad [05:09] Hobbsee: I uploaded my first package there, but it went into component "main" [05:10] Hobbsee: Can I move it, or delete it? [05:10] i'd assume you'd need to upload a new version, and change the section. [05:10] only LP admins can delete, it seems [05:11] Hobbsee: perhaps it doesn't matter, as long as it's a personal archive? [05:11] mok0: well, as long as all it's build-depends are in main, that's fine. === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #launchpad [05:12] Hobbsee: OK, I'll just wait and see if it builds. [05:13] surely you tested that *before* you uploaded it to a ppa? [05:13] Hobbsee: Perhaps we should always put "universe/*" in the Section: ? [05:14] Hobbsee: It builds alright [05:14] mok0: if you're building a package to go in universe, you need to put universe/ in there. [05:14] if you're building for main, then you dont. [05:15] Hobbsee: The packages I've been working on so far have gone to REVU and thus into universe. I've not put "universe" in the section, though, [05:16] Hobbsee: and no MOTUs have told me to [05:18] mdke: ping (or just email me to clarify what has changed for kubuntu-docs POT files: kubuntu/index/index.pot seems to be a renamed version of kubuntu/sysdocs-index/index.pot and the other two files are .desktop file translations -- see https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kubuntu-docs/+imports?field.filter_status=NEEDS_REVIEW&field.filter_extension=all) [05:19] mok0: i think that might be covered in the quick start guide [05:19] mok0: but the packages dont get built on REVU. and when tehy get uploaded to the ubuntu archive, the archive admins do the overrides [05:19] mrevell: any chance we can rewrite some of this doc? [05:21] Hobbsee: Hi === mrevell reads up [05:21] mrevell: it's written fine for MOTU's and such, who know what they're doing, but there are great sections missing for people who *dont* [05:22] mrevell: like, the entire section on overrides. [05:22] mrevell: and version numbers. [05:22] and the distro release, for that matter [05:24] Hobbsee: Thanks for the feedback. And thanks mok0 for raising the issues you're having. [05:24] Hobbsee: The guide needs to cover the ogre model, certainly and doesn't right now. [05:25] Hobbsee: When you say for people who don't know what they're doing, do you mean who are entirely new to packaging? [05:25] mrevell: yes, and those who dont know basic archive stuff (ie, how stuff works with revu/upload.ubuntu.com) [05:27] Hobbsee: Hmm, I don't want the PPA guides to become a general "how to package for Ubuntu" guide as we already have that, and it's linked in the PPA quick-start guide. However, I do want to create an example guide - i.e. how to package foo using PPA, which should cover a lot of the stuff you're concerned about, I think. [05:28] mrevell: no, of course not. but there expectations implicit in that quick guide about knowing what overrides are, and about version numbers, etc. === francesco-battag [n=frank95c@62.123.110.132] has joined #launchpad [05:29] mrevell: and of course, as this is primarily ubuntu-based, having a small note somewhere about "the component does not need to be changed for revu or the ubuntu archive, due to overrides" or something would be useful. [05:29] but yes, no point reproducing the packaging guide. [05:30] mrevell: these people are often hoping to upload to ubuntu - it's definetly worth pointing out the differences. [05:32] Hobbsee: Let's make a list of the things you'd like to see changed in the guide: [05:32] mrevell: can i do so tomorrow? [05:32] or, later? === Hobbsee wants sleep soon [05:32] Hobbsee: Sure :) I didn't realise it was that long a list! [05:33] mrevell: it's not, but i'd prefer to think about it a bit mroe [05:33] hi all! [05:33] Hobbsee: Okay, that's cool, thanks for your input. [05:33] hi francesco-battag === FeistyNathan [n=nathan@104.111-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #launchpad [05:36] the user meeting is in 1:30, or am I calcluting UTC<->MyTimeZone wrong? [05:37] Is UTC Greenwich meridian time or am I worng? [05:37] FeistyNathan, francesco-battag: UTC is GMT yes. The meeting is in 1 hour and 23 mins. [05:38] francesco-battag, FeistyNathan: thanks both for coming :) [05:38] thank you mrevell === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [05:49] mrevell, is it okay to not upload the orig.tar.gz to ppa? [05:50] hi xhaker. Let me check for you. === th1a [n=hoffman@72.87.122.173] has joined #launchpad [05:53] If I want to start tracking features/bugs/etc for a Hardy release of SchoolTool, should I create a new series? Or is that just a release? === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad [05:53] xhaker: it's okay not to upload it if it already is in the PPA. (we locate it by the package's md5sum as specified in the DSC file) [05:54] th1a, it depends. it's probably just a milestone unless you're branching series. [05:54] ahh.. i was thinking it could search for the orig.tar.gz on the ubuntu archives [05:54] mrevell, thanks for the help :) [05:54] xhaker, I'm actually not sure if it will [05:54] it might [05:54] xhaker, if you try, will you tell me? :-) [05:54] mrevell: do the PPAs build for eisty or for gutsy? [05:54] kiko: Where do I define a milestone? [05:54] th1a, releases are somewhat messy in launchpad and right now I suggest you use a milestone [05:54] th1a, in the series page (so /trunk or something like that) [05:55] brb-phone [05:55] kiko: OK, got it. [05:55] kiko, I will tell you if it builds :) [05:55] kiko, and if it doesn't. of course [05:56] kiko, soon enough :) didn't work [05:56] Rejected: [05:56] Unable to find libmtp_0.2.1.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution. === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad [05:57] th1a, did you understand what I meant when I said "branching series"? [05:58] kiko: I think so. This release will be based off the development trunk. [05:58] So it doesn't get a new series. [05:59] th1a, exactly. good man! :) [05:59] laga: You should be able to specify the release. [06:01] mrevell: thanks. just wondering because it failed to resolve a dependency which is in feisty. [06:02] laga: Which section have you specified for your package? It follows the ogre model, so if your package is main, it'll resolve dependencies using main, but if your package is universe it'll use universe and main, and so on. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad [06:04] mrevell: thanks. i'll have to specficy multiverse then [06:06] laga: Let us know how you get on. === th1a [n=hoffman@72.87.122.173] has left #launchpad ["Ex-Chat"] === lamont` is now known as lamont [06:10] mrevell, it says Announcing to gutsy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com [06:10] mrevell, might want to change that? [06:10] New bug: #137551 in launchpad-bazaar "code browsing should share url space with code hosting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137551 [06:10] xhaker: Where does it say that? [06:11] in the archive accept mail [06:11] bottom [06:11] i will return in a minute === francesco-battag [n=frank95c@62.123.110.132] has left #launchpad [] [06:15] xhaker: Ah, I see. Thanks. There may be a bug filed about that, I'll have a look. === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has left #launchpad ["Leaving."] === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === kiko is now known as kiko-fud === mayeco [n=mayeco@201.218.116.200] has joined #launchpad === xhaker_ [n=xhaker@83-223-186-138.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #launchpad === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad === \sh_away is now known as \sh === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara [06:58] me [06:58] :-) === Rinchen looks at mrevell with a smile. [06:58] Rinchen: hehe :) [07:00] Hello and welcome to today's Launchpad users' meeting! [07:00] Thanks for attending. Let us know if you're here for the meeting by typing "me". [07:00] me [07:01] Okay, I'll assume you're shy, and carry on :) [07:01] efore we continue, I'd like to invite you to join the Launchpad beta testers team! At the moment, we're testing our new Personal Package Archives feature. It's a build and hosting service for Ubuntu .deb packages. You can find out more about PPA at: [07:01] s/efore/Before [07:01] http://news.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/personal-package-archives [07:02] (me) [07:02] thanks Odd_Bloke [07:02] Odd_Bloke: welcome [07:02] And you can learn how to join the beta team at: [07:02] https://help.launchpad.net/JoiningLaunchpadBetaTesters [07:02] Right, let's move on! [07:02] We don't have any questions on the agenda for today's meeting, so if you have a question, suggestion or comment for the Launchpad team, please fire away. I'll take each question in turn. If I can't get an answer for you right now, we can ask the questions on the launchpad-users list. [07:03] Any questions? === intellectronica [n=intellec@host86-139-53-135.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #launchpad [07:04] yes, I have a few questions :) === mok0 [n=mok@ghost.imsb.au.dk] has left #launchpad [] [07:04] Adri2000: Ah, hello :) Please fire away [07:04] * Will it be possible for ubuntu members to use their @ubuntu.com email address as their preferred address? It's not possible currently because the @ubuntu.com address redirects to the preferred adress... [07:05] Adri2000: Thanks for your question. [07:05] salgado: Hello. Are you able to answer Adri2000's question? === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad [07:06] Adri2000: Is this an important feature for you? [07:06] mrevell, elmo would be the best person to ask that [07:06] thanks salgado [07:07] I can live without it, but I'd prefer to be able to have my @ubuntu address as the preferred one in my lp profile :) [07:07] elmo: Hi - do we have any plans to allow @ubuntu.com addresses to be used as the preferred address in Launchpad profiles? [07:08] Adri2000: I'll email elmo and cc the launchpad-users list to see if we can an answer there. [07:09] Adri2000: Do you have other questions? [07:09] great. yes, one other question and then a suggestion [07:09] * Is it possible to merge the ubuntu-motu and motu teams? The motu team is the actual team of MOTUs, and the ubuntu-motu team is the one currently displayed as maintainer for the universe packages. If merging is not possible, at least rename the motu team, it's currently called "MOTU-media", which is obviously incorrect. === superm1_ is now known as superm1 [07:10] see for example https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ri-li, "Maintainer: MOTU-Media". it'd be better if it was eg. "Ubuntu MOTU Developers", and pointing to ~motu [07:10] Adri2000, it's not yet possible to merge teams, but the team owner can rename the team [07:11] "MOTU-Media does not use Launchpad. This page was created on 2006-01-13 when the mythplugins package was imported into Dapper." [07:11] I guess there is no team owner in this case [07:12] oh, that's an automatically created person === intellectronica [n=intellec@host86-139-53-135.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #launchpad [07:14] me [07:14] Adri2000: Shall we move onto your suggestion? [07:14] thanks doko [07:15] ah, so it's a person, not a team, ok [07:15] mrevell: ok to join in with ppa questions? [07:15] sure doko. I think Adri2000 has one more question/suggestion, then please go ahead after that. [07:15] * Suggestion: in tagged bug reports reported against a particular package, there is a link which points to the list of bug reports tagged with this tag. The problem is that it lists only those reported against the particular package, while imho it should list all of the bugs in the distro tagged with this tag. [07:15] Example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/noteedit/+bug/72339, click on the tag "desktop-file", you see it's not very helpful. [07:15] Launchpad bug 72339 in noteedit "Doesn't show up in the ``Applications'' menu" [Wishlist,Triaged] [07:16] thanks Adri2000. Let me see if someone from the bug team is available. === gmb is now known as gmb-afk [07:17] BjornT, welcome to the users meeting. [07:18] BjornT: Adri2000 has made a suggestion regarding bug tags, above. [07:19] Adri2000: the problem is that sometimes listing only bugs against that package is what the user wants to do. it'd probably be quite confusing to list all bugs having that tag. [07:19]