[01:29] <spaz> hello
[01:29] <spaz> i have a problem with ldconfig (which is causing problems with apt-get update and such)
[01:29] <spaz> i'll pastebin the output from ldconfig -v
[01:30] <spaz> http://pastebin.ca/681613
[01:30] <spaz> this is as far as i got
[01:31] <spaz> because i know jack squat about this sort of thing
[01:36] <DanaG> Argh, my USB hard drive just randomly disconnected.
[01:37] <DanaG> device descriptor read/64, error -110
[01:38] <mapp> err
[01:38] <mapp> mr spac
[01:38] <mapp> spaz
[01:38] <mapp> whats the error
[01:38] <spaz> mapp, refer to pastebin
[01:38] <mapp> i did
[01:38] <spaz> that's all it returned
[01:38] <spaz> ldconfig -v that is
[01:39] <spaz> i
[01:39] <mapp> oh, bus error
[01:39] <spaz> 'll paste the apt-get error that was returned (related to this, and how i discovered this in the first place)
[01:40] <mapp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/90004
[01:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90004 in glibc "issuing ldconfig causes Bus error and core dump, inhibits execution of postinst script for libgcc1" [Undecided,New] 
[01:40] <spaz> i saw that.
[01:40] <mapp> yea
[01:41] <mapp> hmm
[01:41] <spaz> i'm running a 32 bit machine though
[01:41] <DanaG> And why the heck is mount trying to use ntfs-3g?
[01:41] <DanaG> I didn't tell it to.
[01:41] <DanaG> fstab has that partition listed as ntfs.
[01:42] <DanaG> And it ignores the "ro" option entirely!
[01:42] <mapp> lol
[01:42] <mapp> spaz, try installing libc6?
[01:42] <spaz> i did.
[01:42] <DanaG> /dev/hda2       /media/XP       ntfs    ro,umask=222,exec 0 0
[01:42] <DanaG> I don't see a "-3g" there, do you?
[01:42] <spaz> /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst: line 369:  5031 Bus error               ldconfig
[01:42] <spaz> dpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure):
[01:42] <spaz>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 135
[01:43] <DanaG> s/,/;/
[01:43] <mapp> hmm
[01:43] <spaz> mapp, i get the feeling this is a chicken and the egg problem
[01:43] <mapp> no Dana
[01:43] <mapp> well its a known bug kind of, problem is how to solve it
[01:43] <spaz> indeed :-/
[01:43] <mapp> did you come across any other posts etc about it?
[01:43] <mapp> perhaps you should post a bug note as your on 32bit
[01:43] <DanaG> At the very least, ntfs-3g needs to have an option tofall back to read-only.
[01:44] <spaz> mapp, hmm ok
[01:44] <spaz> what the...
[01:44] <DanaG> OOps, can't write to drive.  Oh, then I'll just not mount it at all, and leave the user wondering where the heck all his files went.
[01:44] <spaz> h/o, this is weird
[01:44] <spaz> i have libc6-dev-amd64 installed
[01:45] <spaz> the hell...
[01:45] <spaz> how did that happen? :-/
[01:45] <spaz> this would explain a lot...
[01:46] <mapp> heh
[01:46] <mapp> that is odd
[01:46] <spaz> and it gets odder...
[01:46] <DanaG> Aah, I see: /sbin/mount.ntfs is symlinked to /bin/ntfs-3g
[01:47] <spaz> gcc-4.2-multilib requires it
[01:47] <mapp> autolinked, wtf?
[01:47] <mapp> u specified ntfs
[01:47] <mapp> hmm
[01:47] <spaz> which ubuntu-minimal requires
[01:47] <mapp> requires the amd64 version?!
[01:47] <SeveredCross> spaz: feel free to remove ubuntu-minimal, it's a metapackage.
[01:47] <spaz> okies
[01:48] <spaz> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:48] <spaz>   ubuntu-base: Depends: ubuntu-minimal but it is not going to be installed
[01:48] <SeveredCross> WTF?
[01:48] <spaz> indeed
[01:49] <SeveredCross> I removed ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-minimal yesterday.
[01:49] <SeveredCross> Bizarre.
[01:50] <spaz> should i just go ahead and remove ubuntu-base (assuming nothing goes insane)?
[01:50] <SeveredCross> Well, make sure it doesn't first.
[01:50] <SeveredCross> Try and remove the packages.
[01:50] <SeveredCross> And then see if they try to remove anything else.
[01:50] <SeveredCross> If it does, tell apt NO
[01:50] <SeveredCross> Actually.
[01:50] <SeveredCross> Wait.
[01:50] <SeveredCross> What's your arch, is it x64 or x86?
[01:51] <spaz> x86
[01:51] <SeveredCross> Okay..I wonder how you got gcc-4.2-multilib
[01:51] <spaz> dunno *shrug*
[01:51] <mapp> why is that not for x86?
[01:51] <spaz> sudo apt-get --purge remove libc6-amd64 lib64gcc1 libc6-dev-amd64 gcc-4.2-multilib lib64gomp1 libc6-i686 ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-base <--- i have to remove all that
[01:51] <SeveredCross> Well.
[01:51] <mapp> he also has an amd64 lib:)
[01:51] <mapp> heh
[01:51] <SeveredCross> gcc-4.2-multilib is for multiarch platforms.
[01:51] <spaz> why do i have so many x64 packages? >_<
[01:52] <mapp> multiarch meaning?
[01:52] <SeveredCross> Ie, x86_64 could use/need gcc-4.2-multilib.
[01:52] <mapp> ahh
[01:52] <SeveredCross> Things that can support more than one architecture.
[01:52] <mapp> so a dual core?
[01:52] <mapp> could
[01:52] <SeveredCross> Nope.
[01:52] <mapp> oh
[01:52] <SeveredCross> Only a 64-bit processor.
[01:52] <spaz> i don't have one of those :-/
[01:52] <spaz> mi no hablo x86
[01:52] <SeveredCross> C2D, Athlon 64, Itanium, etc.
[01:52] <spaz> err
[01:52] <spaz> x64
[01:52] <mapp> dual cores are 64/32 i thought?
[01:52] <SeveredCross> Nope.
[01:52] <SeveredCross> Not all of them.
[01:52] <SeveredCross> Common misconception.
[01:52] <mapp> ah ok
[01:52] <spaz> i don't have any of those.
[01:52] <mapp> but the ones that are that would work for
[01:53] <mapp> hehe wtf did u do spaz
[01:53] <spaz> mapp, i have no idea
[01:53] <spaz> if i knew i would have had this solved ages ago
[01:53] <spaz> :-p
[01:53] <DanaG> Okay, now that I've fixed ntfs, what should I do about my external hard drive that refuses to create /dev/sda?
[01:53] <mapp> whats the error?
[01:56] <mapp> removed em spaz?
[01:57] <spaz> mapp, still working on it
[02:02] <DanaG> aah, irqpoll.
[02:03] <spaz> Removing lib64gcc1 ...
[02:03] <spaz> /var/lib/dpkg/info/lib64gcc1.postrm: line 6: 13558 Bus error               ldconfig
[02:03] <spaz> dpkg: error processing lib64gcc1 (--remove):
[02:03] <spaz>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 135
[02:03] <spaz> AAAAAAACKKK
[02:03] <spaz> it's so on and so forth for the other packages
[02:04] <spaz> i suppose i could try to remove them by hand
[02:06] <mapp> heh
[02:06] <mapp> remove one at a time
[02:06] <mapp> or some with dpkg maybe?
[02:06] <mapp> hm
[02:07] <DanaG> Yay, irqpoll worked.
[02:08] <mapp> what you trying to do matye
[02:10] <mapp> spaz, good luck with it mate
[02:10] <mapp> il be back in a bit
[02:10] <mapp> :)
[02:10] <spaz> okies
[02:11] <mapp> how u trying to remove em?
[02:12] <spaz> apt-get remove
[02:12] <spaz> when that failed aptitude
[02:12] <spaz> and now dpkg
[02:15] <tatters> anyone running tribe 5 with a second hard drive get error "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000" ???
[02:15] <tatters> kubuntu
[02:17] <spaz> ack
[02:17] <spaz> i still can't figure it out
[02:17] <spaz> :-s
[02:23] <SeveredCross> spaz: Back up your /home and reinstall?
[02:23] <SeveredCross> Since you my friend seem to be in very heavy dependency hell.
[02:23] <SeveredCross> Either that or...
[02:24] <SeveredCross> sudo apt-get install libc6 libgcc1 libc6-dev gcc-4.2 libgomp1 && sudo apt-get --purge remove libc6-amd64 lib64gcc1 libc6-dev-amd64 gcc-4.2-multilib lib64gomp1
[02:24] <tatters> anyone running tribe 5 with a second hard drive setup previously as storage?
[02:24] <SeveredCross> Yeah, I have an external hard drive, works fine.
[02:25] <spaz> SeveredCross, i prefer the latter
[02:25] <spaz> :-p
[02:26] <tatters> not sue if that would make any difference but fresh install tribe 5 and getting error "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000"
[02:26] <SeveredCross> Never seen that...
[02:27] <tatters> ssudo vol_id /dev/hdb-->>>  /dev/hdb: unknown volume type
[02:29] <SeveredCross> Uh.
[02:29] <SeveredCross> That's because you can't get a volume id for an entire hard drive.
[02:29] <SeveredCross> Try /dev/hdb1 or something
[02:29] <SeveredCross> And external drives are usually /dev/sd*
[02:31] <SeveredCross> spaz: Any luck?
[02:32] <tatters> k,thnx, now im getting output at least with  /dev/hdb1
[02:33] <spaz> SeveredCross, not really yet, trying something real quick
[02:33] <spaz> if it doesn't work then...i dunno...
[02:33] <spaz> :-/
[02:42] <spaz> well i give up
[02:42] <spaz> i guess i'll back up my home and config files and just reinstall
[02:42] <spaz> thanks guys
[02:59] <SpudDogg> is it possible to run gutsy for debugging purposes in a VM?  i dont see why not
[03:00] <linxeh> SpudDogg: as possible as any other distro in a VM
[03:01] <SpudDogg> is there a package in the repos to install vmware or another vm?
[03:04] <SpudDogg> well, i got it, but i actually had to use "add/remove apps"
[03:04] <SpudDogg> dont think i've ever done that before :)
[03:06] <Dana1> !quodlibet
[03:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quodlibet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:06] <Dana1> !info quodlibet
[03:06] <ubotu> quodlibet: audio library manager and player for GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 31 kB, installed size 132 kB
[03:06] <KevinOman> hello everyone, im trying to use an install dtc-toaster, I executed the install script and halfway through it it stops with this error >> -> Managing ldconfig exec: 15: /sbin/ldconfig.real: not found
[03:07] <KevinOman> I was wondering if this would be considered a "bug" or am I doing something wrong.?
[03:11] <terlmann> YO
[03:13] <contrast83> Greets,everyone...
[03:13] <contrast83> Has anyone been able to get APTonCD to work under Gutsy?
[03:13] <terlmann> I dunno
[03:14] <terlmann> I havnt the bandwidth
[03:14] <KevinOman> does anyone know anything about ldconfig.real?
[03:15] <h1st0> Does anyone else get the "Error in select ()" while updating?
[03:16] <Dana1> Aack, my system is freezing (or at least bogging down severely) on disk access.
[03:16] <terlmann> Dana
[03:16] <terlmann> do you have beagle running ?
[03:16] <terlmann> is your drive old ?
[03:17] <terlmann> have you too many programs running :
[03:17] <terlmann> ?
[03:17] <Dana1> No, it's actually having issues with DMA, it seems.
[03:17] <terlmann> let the experts at Ubuntu+1 help you. But be warned , we like our debugging data verbose.
[03:17] <terlmann> dma ?
[03:17] <terlmann> just disable it
[03:18] <Dana1> I think there are some bad blocks, too; however, the SMART data doesn't seem to show it.
[03:18] <terlmann> hmm
[03:18] <terlmann> bad blocks arnt a problem
[03:18] <terlmann> just fsck it after doing telinit one and umounting the volume
[03:18] <Dana1> Actually, it looks like a separate USB drive is causing issues.
[03:19] <terlmann> well , then unmount the seperate drive
[03:19] <Dana1> My dmesg is being spammed with  sd 0:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device
[03:20] <terlmann> messege me with the readout of mount if you dont know how to stop this
[03:20] <Dana1> I just unplugged the external drive.  It's ntfs, set to read-only.
[03:20] <terlmann> ntfs
[03:20] <terlmann> dont mention that in here
[03:21] <terlmann> copy all the data off of it and reformat it to ext2
[03:21] <terlmann> btw
[03:21] <Dana1> No chance, if I want to be able to use it with other people's computers.
[03:21] <terlmann> you have to umount drives BEFORE ejecting them
[03:21] <Dana1> Even if read-only?
[03:21] <terlmann> I think si
[03:21] <terlmann> yes
[03:21] <terlmann> umount /dev/drivename
[03:22] <terlmann> dana
[03:22] <terlmann> how big is the drive ?
[03:23] <contrast83> terlmann: you realize a very significant portion of linux users are dual-booters, right?
[03:23] <Dana1> Hold on, I'm still having freezing with the external disconnected.
[03:23] <terlmann> nope
[03:23] <Dana1> And this laptop has a history of random freezes, when under Windows.
[03:23] <terlmann> I never dualboot
[03:24] <contrast83> i didn't say you do.
[03:24] <terlmann> I dont recognize using more than one IDE drive
[03:25] <terlmann> only heretics use RAID or more than one drive
[03:25] <terlmann> SATA isnt approved but ok
[03:26] <terlmann> I have a lappy, wont properly read a normal Feisty disk
[03:26] <Xero> terlmann, iPod Linux.
[03:26] <terlmann> Using a littleknown disk called  netboot works fine
[03:26] <terlmann> Xero
[03:26] <terlmann> got it
[03:26] <terlmann> use  it
[03:26] <Xero> terlmann, RAWK
[03:27] <terlmann> neva heard of it....
[03:27] <Xero> Neither have I
[03:27] <terlmann> LOL
[03:27] <Xero> Someone told me bout it
[03:27] <Xero> and im like..wtf?
[03:27] <Xero> Is that supposed to be a bad pun or something?
[03:27] <Dana1> Here's how I instaled Gutsy:
[03:28] <Dana1> I rebuilt instlux to use the Gutsy initrd image.
[03:28] <Xero> lol
[03:28] <Xero> instlux are noobs
[03:28] <Dana1> Instlux is also for laptops with bad CD drives.
[03:28] <Dana1> It does a net install.
[03:28] <Xero> although rebuilding it owns
[03:28] <Dana1> Got python?  Got NSIS?
[03:29] <Dana1> And deleting extra language files to save time.
[03:29] <terlmann> Netinstall is the only way for those sucky laptop drives
[03:29] <Xero> that or Wubi
[03:29] <terlmann> Dana : look up localpurge
[03:29] <terlmann> purges locals you dont use
[03:29] <Dana1> I mean, language files in instlux source.
[03:29] <mphill> does anyone else think pclinuxos is forging their stats on distrowatch.com with scripts?  makes no sense to me, 35 people are in the channel, yet is sky rockets on distowatch
[03:29] <terlmann> mphill
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> yah...I think so..
[03:30] <terlmann> everyone but ubuntu does that
[03:30] <Dana1> Well, luckily for me, I can do my netinstall on campus at Cal Poly -- connection to mirrors.kernel.org is mind-bogglingly fast.
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> did you see the desktop linux survey?
[03:30] <terlmann> cus we rule
[03:30] <randy026> It's conspiracy man!
[03:30] <Xero> Ubuntu = pwns all of you
[03:30] <terlmann> we are the 21 century debianites
[03:30] <Dana1> I can saturate any connection medium, and even use Gigabit Ethernet quite well.
[03:30] <Xero> Ubuntu includes happiness.c
[03:30] <terlmann> and I pwn ubuntu
[03:30] <mphill> nosrednaekim, yes it proves my theory.  even the author gave a WTF to pclinuxos results
[03:30] <Dana1> 100 megabit net install -- sweet.  Gigabit net install == sweeter.
[03:30] <terlmann> used from before warty and after hardy.
[03:30] <Xero> 100 mbit netinstall is good
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> mphill: yeah
[03:31] <Xero> Gigabit netinstall is a wet dream of Linuxers everywhere
[03:31] <Dana1> Gigabit is god.
[03:31] <Dana1> (couldn't resist the play on words.)
[03:31] <terlmann> 8.04 : hardy heron. nice name. I couldnt think of one.
[03:31] <mphill> PCLinuxOS also has a new letter talking about the Ubuntu "hype".  Too bad no one even reads it.  Anything that mentions ubuntu on linuxtoday.com or lxer.com automatically will get at least 1000 views
[03:31] <Xero> Horny Heron.
[03:31] <terlmann> Dana1 : what about Terabit ?
[03:31] <Xero> Adult content Ubuntu
[03:32] <Dana1> Gutsy Gibbon -- makes you think of flatulence.
[03:32] <Xero> nah
[03:32] <Xero> I think of a very angry gibbon
[03:32] <terlmann> Xero : apt-get install hot-babe
[03:32] <terlmann> L0L
[03:32] <Xero> lol cpu usage based stripper
[03:32] <mphill> when they get to P I bet they pick a penguin
[03:32] <mphill> pwned penguin
[03:32] <terlmann> preppy penguin
[03:32] <Xero> pwnage penguin
[03:33] <terlmann> Idiot ibi
[03:33] <Xero> Ubuntu Mobile.
[03:33] <randy026> what kind of channel is this anyway! lol
[03:33] <Dana1> I screwed up my joke.
[03:33] <terlmann> next version will be a I
[03:33] <terlmann> i
[03:33] <Dana1> The joke is on Gusty.
[03:33] <SpudDogg> is there vm software i can install besides vmware?
[03:33] <terlmann> I**** Ibi
[03:33] <Xero> SpudDogg, Virtualbox, QEmu
[03:33] <terlmann> Irate Ibi
[03:33] <terlmann> there
[03:33] <SpudDogg> Xero, thanks
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> SpudDogg: virtualbox is amazing
[03:33] <Xero> Indeed.
[03:33] <Dana1> I don't know what an "ibi" is.
[03:33] <Xero> I run Veestuh on it
[03:33] <Dana1> But an ibis.
[03:34] <terlmann> Vmware Workstation is better ;-)
[03:34] <Xero> Although it sucks anyway
[03:34] <Dana1> Some people pronounce it, "Veeeeestaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah".
[03:34] <terlmann> at least for windows
[03:34] <randy026> What's so good about virtualbox? (just wondering)
[03:34] <Xero> Vista plain sucks
[03:34] <Dana1> I call it, "Got broken drivers?".
[03:34] <terlmann> randy
[03:34] <randy026> yeah?
[03:34] <terlmann> virtualbox is qemu 2.0
[03:34] <Xero> Virtualbox is accelerated without a kernel module, as far as I know
[03:34] <terlmann> sorta
[03:34] <SpudDogg> is virtualbox in the repos?  doesn't look like it
[03:34] <randy026> oh ok I see lol
[03:34] <terlmann> nope
[03:34] <terlmann> Xero
[03:34] <randy026> Nice
[03:34] <terlmann> its exxelerated
[03:34] <terlmann> but Xen has its own merites
[03:35] <Xero> virtualbox.org
[03:35] <Xero> org org org
[03:35] <terlmann> Only thing I care about is accellerated 3d on guests os
[03:35] <terlmann> most dont have any
[03:35] <randy026> that is nice
[03:35] <randy026> Could that mean you could game on it?
[03:36] <Xero> This is what I installed it from
[03:36] <Xero> http://www.virtualbox.org/download/1.5.0/virtualbox_1.5.0-24069-1_Ubuntu_feisty_i386.deb
[03:36] <Xero> Works on gutsy too
[03:36] <Dana1> Here's my /var/log/messages:  http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/messages
[03:37] <Dana1> However, that may be several boots' worth.
[03:37] <Dana1> I'll crop it to the last one.
[03:38] <emet> !xchat
[03:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xchat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <Xero> !Gutsy
[03:38] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[03:38] <Xero> yay
[03:39] <Xero> !!hardy
[03:39] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04, due April 2008.
[03:39] <Xero> Oooooooo pretty
[03:39] <Xero> I wonder how awesome Heron will be.
[03:39] <terlmann> Well
[03:40] <terlmann> we will be working on it
[03:40] <terlmann> naturally its going to rule
[03:40] <Dana1> Okay, ropped.
[03:40] <Dana1> er, cropped.
[03:40] <randy026> So I have a question about going from alpha to alpha...
[03:40] <Dana1> Time for dinner, though.
[03:40] <terlmann> only way to tell is to look at debian unstable
[03:40] <Xero> randy026, if you update through update manager, a fully updated tribe 1 is tribe 5
[03:40] <randy026> no no
[03:40] <Xero> Did I read thine mind?
[03:40] <randy026> not what I mean
[03:41] <terlmann> using unstable will give you almost paranormal skills into seeing what ubuntu will look like
[03:41] <randy026> Like after gutsy is done right...
[03:41] <terlmann> just update your lists to hardy
[03:41] <randy026> is it safe to just right to the next version
[03:41] <terlmann> nope
[03:41] <Xero> lol
[03:41] <terlmann> its not safe to use gutsy
[03:41] <Xero> update lists to hardy = LOLOLEXPLODE
[03:41] <terlmann> get outa here
[03:41] <randy026> well I mean if you know what your doing of course
[03:41] <terlmann> yeo
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Xero: you'll just get 404's/
[03:42] <Xero> :(
[03:42] <terlmann> Hobbsee : not if he has a flux capacitator
[03:42] <randy026> like before feisty did everyone just go to gutsy?
[03:42] <Xero> Flux capacitor built into my CPU
[03:42] <Hobbsee> no.  what would the point of that be?
[03:42] <Xero> Eat me, all you time-bound fools
[03:42] <randy026> or did you wait a couple months for the real bad stuff to get worked out
[03:43] <Xero> Heron, by the way, owns so much.
[03:43] <KevinOman> hello everyone, im trying to use an install dtc-toaster, I executed the install script and halfway through it it stops with this error >> -> Managing ldconfig exec: 15: /sbin/ldconfig.real: not found
[03:45] <Xero> Hobbsee: Update lists to Heron, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:45] <terlmann> Xero : there is no such thing as time. past is what has happened. future is what is likely to happen. present is what is happening. nothing is certain unless you put a lot of work into making it turn out the way you planned. A shitload of work.
[03:45] <Xero> Desktop = 404?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Xero: will 404.
[03:46] <Xero> Hobbsee, I know. I'm just asking stupid questions a Windows user would as.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> i can tell
[03:46] <Xero> !ubuntu+2
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu+2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <Xero> !gutsy+1
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[03:46] <Xero> ugh
[03:46] <Hobbsee> just make syou look like an idiot
[03:47] <Xero> didnt bot used to have !gutsy+1 built into it?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> no
[03:47] <Xero> Something did.
[03:49] <terlmann> !8.04
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[03:49] <terlmann> !Windows
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[03:49] <terlmann> LOL!
[03:50] <terlmann> your nearest mental health institute : pretty clear ;D
[03:50] <Xero> Teehee
[03:50] <Xero> Windows are suck. Bot says itl
[03:51] <terlmann> !Solaris
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[03:51] <terlmann> !Java
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[03:51] <terlmann> !perl
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[03:51] <terlmann> aww
[03:51] <Hobbsee> !msgthebot
[03:51] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[03:53] <sebsebseb> sound used to work fine in Gutsy,  untill getting latest updates, now it don't work at all,  it's been two or so days.  Seems I don't have the codec installed for the sound card or something
[03:53] <sebsebseb> and looking around Google it seems other people have had problems with sound in gutsy
[03:54] <sebsebseb> where I get the codec or whatever for the sound card from or what?  no sound sucks
[03:55] <sebsebseb> where I get the codec or whatever for the sound card no sound sucks
[03:55] <terlmann> sebsebseb
[03:55] <terlmann> you need to run alsaconf
[03:56] <terlmann> or is it alsasetup
[03:56] <terlmann> as sudo
[03:56] <terlmann> I dont know what else to do
[03:56] <terlmann> my sound works fine
[03:56] <sebsebseb> my sound used to
[03:57] <terlmann> perhaps you broke it
[03:57] <sebsebseb> I should have  stuck with Feisty really untill at least the Beta of Gutsy
[03:57] <terlmann> heh
[03:57] <terlmann> sebseb
[03:57] <terlmann> funny name
[03:57] <terlmann> pointless
[03:57] <sebsebseb> the name?
[03:57] <terlmann> yea
[03:58] <sebsebseb> seb was taken I think so on
[03:58] <sebsebseb> screw the name :)
[03:58] <terlmann> why "seb" ?
[03:58] <randy026> lol
[03:58] <terlmann> why seb anyhting ?
[03:58] <sebsebseb> my  name is Sebastian and Seb is a nickname for that
[03:58] <terlmann> AH
[03:58] <terlmann> sebastion
[03:58] <terlmann> well
[03:59] <terlmann> my name is josh
[03:59] <terlmann> josh sucks
[03:59] <terlmann> so I found my favorite star
[03:59] <sebsebseb> and I get the impression your about 17 some how?
[03:59] <terlmann> Terl from Battlefieild Earth
[03:59] <terlmann> and I tacked on a German subname
[03:59] <terlmann> "mann"
[03:59] <SpudDogg> man virtualbox is REALLY nice
[03:59] <terlmann> thus terlmann
[04:00] <sebsebseb> yep VirtualBox is good
[04:00] <terlmann> nop sebsebseb , I am 20 and proud of it
[04:00] <terlmann> I am leet too
[04:00] <SpudDogg> it was also helluva easier than vmware
[04:00] <sebsebseb> and they got an open source version unlike VMware
[04:00] <sebsebseb> open source :)
[04:00] <terlmann> Virtualbox is meaningless
[04:01] <SpudDogg> open source = 1337
[04:01] <terlmann> no really good graphics emulation
[04:01] <terlmann> its ok yea
[04:01] <SpudDogg> good enough to run ubuntu for testing purposes
[04:01] <terlmann> but choosing twixt Vmware and Xen is better
[04:01] <terlmann> Spud and Seb : Virtualbox is Qemu with some additions.
[04:02] <SpudDogg> speaking of graphics, is it just me or do linux drivers for most video cards blow?
[04:02] <terlmann> so much for the specialness
[04:02] <terlmann> Spud
[04:02] <terlmann> sorta
[04:02] <terlmann> my radeon works ol
[04:02] <terlmann> ok
[04:02] <terlmann> Nvidia is good
[04:02] <terlmann> Intel is GREAT
[04:02] <SpudDogg> i have trouble running glxgears on a non-dual-core proc.
[04:02] <terlmann> but the chips arnt too powerful
[04:02] <SpudDogg> 100% constantly
[04:02] <terlmann> so they are a little slow ;-0
[04:03] <terlmann> Spud : must be you.
[04:03] <terlmann> Sysinfo for 'raven': Linux 2.6.22-10-386 running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: AMD Sempron 2600+ at 1832 MHz (3675 bogomips), HD: 17/71GB, RAM: 246/250MB, 103 proc's, 1.9d up
[04:03] <SpudDogg> hmmph
[04:03] <SpudDogg> could be
[04:03] <terlmann> and I get decent fps with glxgears
[04:03] <sebsebseb> so my sound is fucked then some sort of bug maybe I hope so,  and if so that it gets fixed
[04:04] <SpudDogg> well, my fps are fine, but something as simple as glxgears maxes out my proc at 100%, making everything else run like shit.  that's because of bad/no acceleration, correct?
[04:04] <RAOF> terlmann: You probably want the -generic kernel, incidentally.  Unless there's a piece of hardware you've got that doesn't have SMP safe drivers.
[04:04] <terlmann> RAOF
[04:04] <sebsebseb> I think it's this latest kernel
[04:04] <sebsebseb> that I installed
[04:04] <RAOF> SpudDogg: No.  That can be due to the nvidia drivers being crazy.
[04:04] <terlmann> I just might kill you for that comment
[04:04] <sebsebseb> I got the other,  but when I try and load that,  x screws up
[04:04] <terlmann> not having 386 headers is disaster
[04:05] <SpudDogg> it's intel on this comp, and ati on another
[04:05] <terlmann> KILLS MAN!!!
[04:05] <sebsebseb> Gdm won't load and yeah
[04:05] <terlmann> vmware and a whole host wont compile without 386
[04:05] <terlmann> beryl had issues with it in feisty too
[04:05] <sebsebseb> I should be able to choose which kernel to run,  without x being stupid
[04:05] <RAOF> terlmann: Really?  You can't use the -generic headers?  That sucks.
[04:05] <terlmann> couldnt install on generic
[04:05] <terlmann> RAOF
[04:05] <terlmann> generic is generic
[04:05] <terlmann> it blows man
[04:06] <terlmann> I want my k7 back
[04:06] <terlmann> I dont use smp
[04:06] <SpudDogg> terlman, how many fps do you get when you run glxgears?
[04:06] <RAOF> sebsebseb: You can, as long as you've got the appropriate linux-restricted-modules
[04:06] <terlmann> spud
[04:06] <terlmann> I can play sauerbraten
[04:06] <terlmann> and ut2004
[04:06] <SpudDogg> wtf is that, lol
[04:07] <SpudDogg> saurbraten, i mean
[04:07] <terlmann> sauerbraten is 1337 man
[04:07] <terlmann> the greatest ever
[04:07] <RAOF> terlmann: Generic is optimised, -386 is not.  The performance difference between -k7 & -generic was statistically indistinguishable from 0 when we were determining whether to move to -generic :)
[04:07] <terlmann> stay at k7
[04:07] <terlmann> please go back
[04:07] <SpudDogg> terlmann, im assuming that's a game. is it for linux are you using wine?
[04:07] <terlmann> its a linux game
[04:07] <terlmann> native sdl
[04:08] <terlmann> it rocks
[04:08] <terlmann> ingame map editor
[04:08] <terlmann> multiplayer first person shooter
[04:08] <terlmann> in gutsy universe
[04:08] <sebsebseb> RAOF:  If the previous kernel works with sound great :)   if I load it up now X will crash and GDM won't load.  if  I could install a driver for this kernel for the sound to work,  but carn't seem to find one.  also looking around Google it seems other people have had problems with sound in this latest gutsy kernel
[04:08] <terlmann> just apt-get install sauerbraten
[04:08] <SpudDogg> it wont work under feisty?
[04:09] <terlmann> yes
[04:09] <terlmann> but its not in the repo
[04:09] <SpudDogg> oic
[04:09] <terlmann> youd have to resolve dependencies manually
[04:09] <SpudDogg> well, gutsy is installing right now
[04:09] <terlmann> sdl stuff
[04:09] <terlmann> 3314 frames in 5.0 seconds = 662.765 FPS
[04:10] <terlmann> something wrong with the new drivers
[04:10] <SpudDogg> man in glxgears i get double that, but my proc is still at 100%
[04:10] <terlmann> but I am in enlightment as well
[04:10] <terlmann> Spud
[04:10] <hydrogen> 59416 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11883.105 FPS
[04:10] <SpudDogg> oh, lol
[04:10] <terlmann> thats not glxgears fault
[04:10] <SpudDogg> what the deal then?
[04:10] <terlmann> hydrogen : mind GIVING me a new GPU ?
[04:10] <hydrogen> yes
[04:10] <hydrogen> I do mind.
[04:11] <terlmann> aww
[04:11] <terlmann> XMMS rules
[04:11] <terlmann> with DeFx on , doubly so
[04:12] <terlmann> I have enlightenment 17 working
[04:12] <terlmann> wanna know how ?
[04:12] <SpudDogg> 5624 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1124.701 FPS
[04:12] <hydrogen> Amarok is obviously better than xmms
[04:12] <terlmann> hydrogen
[04:13] <terlmann> only in the artwork and ipod compatibility section
[04:13] <terlmann> plus it can reference artist info and lyrics
[04:13] <terlmann> and has a good database system
[04:13] <terlmann> despite that , xmms still beats it
[04:13] <terlmann> no KDE dependancy and plugins
[04:13] <terlmann> RAOF
[04:14] <SpudDogg> terlmann:  any idea what my graphics problem is?  right now im on a core2duo laptop with intel somethingorother
[04:14] <terlmann> I can pull numbers out of my ass if I shrink the glxgears window to nill
[04:14] <hydrogen> RAOF: true, but relative performance there indiciates relative performance elsewhere
[04:14] <terlmann> if I can run sauerbraten though , that says something
[04:14] <terlmann> it has ingame fps
[04:15] <terlmann> 50+ is best
[04:15] <RAOF> hydrogen: Kinda true.  But not really.  The biggest bottleneck for glxgears is getting an image to the framebuffer.
[04:15] <terlmann> mine is always below that
[04:15] <RAOF> hydrogen: Which is in no way the bottleneck for anything you care about GL performance for :)
[04:16] <RAOF> hydrogen: For example, under Compiz glxgears can take a ~50% performance hit.  The performance hit for Doom3 is something like 3%
[04:16] <terlmann> United we stand one and all. Ubuntu ! Ubuntu ! Ubuntu !
[04:16] <terlmann> Judas Priest Rules man ;-)
[04:16] <SpudDogg> terlmann: disagreed
[04:17] <terlmann> well any serious rock rules man
[04:17] <SpudDogg> terlmann: agreed
[04:17] <terlmann> rap , classical , disco, and anything BUT jazz can kick it
[04:17] <terlmann> jazz is cool
[04:17] <SpudDogg> terlmann: man, disagreed
[04:17] <terlmann> nothing more soothing , in my opinion
[04:18] <SpudDogg> terlmann: rock and roll or die
[04:18] <terlmann> Rocks good for the daytime
[04:18] <terlmann> but what about when your trying to get to sleep ?
[04:18] <hydrogen> speed metal
[04:18] <hydrogen> obviously
[04:19] <SpudDogg> turn down the volume, but don't stop the rock brutha
[04:19] <terlmann> hey Spud : ever read the Guide to manliness ?
[04:19] <terlmann> the one by maddox ?
[04:19] <SpudDogg> terlmann: i wrote it
[04:19] <terlmann> PA
[04:19] <terlmann> PAAAAHH
[04:19] <terlmann> phphphpaaah
[04:19] <terlmann> never
[04:20] <terlmann> your not leet nuff
[04:20] <SpudDogg> lol, i didnt think you actually meant did i read something. i suppose i havent
[04:20] <terlmann> spuddogg is not madoxx though
[04:21] <terlmann> gdamm!
[04:21] <terlmann> konq crashed
[04:21] <terlmann> hey Spudd
[04:21] <terlmann> gonna send you a pdf. OK ?
[04:21] <SpudDogg> terlmann: i suppose you meant the alphabet of manliness, correct?
[04:22] <terlmann> yea
[04:22] <SpudDogg> ok
[04:22] <SpudDogg> send away
[04:22] <KevinOman> hello everyone, im trying to use an install script for dtc-toaster, I executed the install script and halfway through it it stops with this error >> -> Managing ldconfig exec: 15: /sbin/ldconfig.real: not found anyone have any ideas?
[04:22] <terlmann> hold one
[04:23] <SpudDogg> haha terlmann
[04:23] <SpudDogg> :)
[04:23] <terlmann> I switched clients
[04:23] <terlmann> its a bit big
[04:23] <terlmann> I hope you can handle the MANLYNESS
[04:24] <SpudDogg> well, i hit accept.  it doesnt appear to be doing anything
[04:24] <terlmann> hmm
[04:24] <terlmann> canceling and retrying
[04:24] <terlmann> it might not send
[04:24] <terlmann> its 20 MB
[04:24] <terlmann> LOL!!
[04:24] <SpudDogg> thats not too big though
[04:24] <terlmann> yea, but freenode has limits
[04:25] <terlmann> I coudnt send anything over somewhere around 2 mb last time I checked
[04:25] <SpudDogg> upload to yousendit
[04:25] <terlmann> k
[04:25] <terlmann> wait while I earn my three bucks on surveyspot
[04:26] <terlmann> cool plave
[04:26] <terlmann> place
[04:26] <SpudDogg> lolm w/e
[04:26] <SpudDogg> damn this is taking a long ass time to install gutsy in a vm
[04:26] <terlmann> in a VM
[04:26] <terlmann> you gave it plenty of ram right
[04:26] <terlmann> preallocated hd
[04:27] <SpudDogg> i gave it what it wanted for memory and like 8GB
[04:27] <terlmann> try vmware or xen for better emulation
[04:27] <terlmann> Xen for linux only
[04:28] <terlmann> Vmware if you dont mind a little clutter undernieth
[04:28] <SpudDogg> vmware wont install on this box for some reason.  i keep getting an error about i have to uninstall the last version, but there is none
[04:28] <terlmann> it adds a few startup taskc
[04:28] <terlmann> I can help you with that
[04:28] <SpudDogg> hot tonight, broham
[04:28] <terlmann> vmware server or workstation ?
[04:28] <SpudDogg> i was trying to install the server, but no luck
[04:28] <SpudDogg> i'll mess with it another day man
[04:29] <terlmann> you need the kernel sources , headers, gcc and objective c installed
[04:29] <terlmann> you also need the any-any-133 update
[04:29] <terlmann> itll be somewhere on the intertubes
[04:29] <SpudDogg> any-any-133?
[04:29] <terlmann> yep
[04:29] <terlmann> its a patch
[04:29] <terlmann> makes it work with the latest kernels
[04:29] <terlmann> .22
[04:30] <terlmann> you need objective c compiler and c compiler installed though
[04:30] <terlmann> I assume you knew about the gcc req
[04:30] <SpudDogg> so hey, the alphabet to manliness, is it funny or what?
[04:30] <SpudDogg> yea, it asked for it
[04:30] <terlmann> yes
[04:31] <terlmann> very
[04:31] <SpudDogg> cool :) uploading?
[04:32] <terlmann> um
[04:32] <terlmann> I need an email address
[04:32] <SpudDogg> hey the file transfer might not have worked because i forgot to identify
[04:32] <SpudDogg> spuddogg@gmail.com
[04:32] <terlmann> that explains a lot
[04:32] <terlmann> theterlmann@yahoo.com ;-)
[04:33] <SpudDogg> i didnt need yours, lol
[04:33] <terlmann> huh
[04:34] <terlmann> To upload files between 20 MB and 100 MB in size, please register for a free YouSendIt Lite account
[04:34] <terlmann> have you validated with nickserv ?
[04:34] <terlmann> lets try this end again
[04:34] <SpudDogg> yes, i did now
[04:34] <terlmann> before I have to hand out info to more spammer
[04:35] <Dana1> Any insight on my disk-access freeze?
[04:35] <Dana1> Here's my /var/log/messages:  http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/messages
[04:35] <terlmann> testing...
[04:36] <SpudDogg> the second one is coming, but the first is bust
[04:36] <terlmann> seems to be working
[04:36] <SpudDogg> there is goes
[04:36] <Dana1> Aack, I have two Junk folders on my IMAP account.
[04:37] <terlmann> ehe
[04:37] <terlmann> check out the cia book
[04:37] <Dana1> And two Trash folders.
[04:37] <terlmann> quite a laugh
[04:37] <DanaG> Supported formats: mod, mp3, mp4, mpc, trueaudio, wav, wavpack, wma, xiph
[04:37] <DanaG> Loaded song library.
[04:37] <DanaG> Opening audio device.
[04:37] <DanaG> W: Error loading /media/Documents/My Music/Halo/Halo-Halo OST-01 - Opening Suite.mp3
[04:37] <DanaG> W: Error loading /media/Documents/My Music/Halo/Halo-Halo OST-02 - Truth and Reconciliation Suite.mp3
[04:38] <terlmann> Dana1.... *chuckle*... tsk tsk
[04:38] <SpudDogg> terlmann, after skimming the cia one, that sould be pretty funny
[04:39] <DanaG> Aack, that was odd... I accidentally did an /exec within the channel, and ran a GUI app.
[04:39] <terlmann> 100 tricks to play , and one can get really dirty if needed
[04:39] <pwnguin> usually /exec only outputs if you use -o
[04:39] <terlmann> Dana
[04:40] <DanaG> The /exec plugin for Pidgin runs output with !
[04:40] <DanaG> so !command outputs to the channel.
[04:40] <pwnguin> heh
[04:40] <terlmann> o dana
[04:40] <SpudDogg> 3) Abrasion...introduction of light, coarse materials, such as resins,
[04:40] <SpudDogg> to automotive fuel, or metal filings placed in the gears of industrial
[04:40] <SpudDogg> machinery, will create frictional havoc.
[04:40] <SpudDogg> lol
[04:40] <terlmann> dasable it
[04:40] <pwnguin> screen+irssi ftw
[04:40] <DanaG> I get confused with the bot's commands -- I have to use !!!.
[04:40] <terlmann> anyone up for some honey or bar-be-que sauce ?
[04:41] <terlmann> or how about toothpaste ?
[04:41] <terlmann> thats a murdock if anything'
[04:41] <terlmann> whodathunkit ?
[04:43] <DanaG> device not accepting address 17, error -110
[04:44] <terlmann> cascara sacrada
[04:46] <DanaG> What you say?
[04:46] <terlmann> front seat. By the way, used condoms make wonderful plants in other
[04:46] <terlmann> locations as well, like the boss's desk, or in a customer's car back in the
[04:46] <terlmann> service shop.
[04:46] <terlmann> LOL
[04:46] <terlmann> thats  one for the rule book
[04:47] <terlmann>        One of Mel's tactics is to toss a length of chain into the spokes of the
[04:47] <DanaG> uhci_hcd 0000:00:11.2: Unlink after no-IRQ?  Controller is probably using the wrong IRQ.
[04:47] <terlmann> dirt bike when it's roaring by. Instantly, the bike stops going forward while
[04:47] <terlmann> the rider continues onward until gravity takes over.
[04:51] <DanaG> Argh, what's the deal with having multiple trash folders and multiple Junk folders?
[04:52] <rvalles> terlmann: cool
[04:53] <DanaG> !evolution
[04:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evolution - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:53] <rvalles> terlmann: I'll have to reproduce that experiment.
[04:53] <DanaG> Wow, that bot response sounded almost political.
[04:53] <DanaG> Heh.
[04:53] <sparr> kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 93, expecting version 94 or higher.  <--  help?
[04:54] <skyfalcon866> is it safe to use gusty now
[04:55] <terlmann>        A man calling himself Hank suggests one for the construction trade.
[04:55] <terlmann> He says that if your mark is building anything from concrete and you or your
[04:55] <terlmann> allies have access to that concrete before it is poured, add concentrated
[04:55] <terlmann> hydrochloric acid to it. Hank claims, "I've seen it work -- it causes slow but
[04:55] <terlmann> continual deterioration of the structure from corrosion."
[04:55] <pwnguin> it wont kill you
[04:55] <terlmann> yea'
[04:55] <terlmann> its safe
[04:55] <terlmann> if your invincible
[04:55] <bikeboy> it's not truly safe unless you've backed up anything you can't afford to lose
[04:55] <sparr> skyfalcon866: more safe than it was yesterday
[04:55] <skyfalcon866> or when will gusty be stable like fiesty is now
[04:56] <terlmann> skyfalcon
[04:56] <terlmann> itll be stable when we release it
[04:56] <terlmann> gutsy is still in alpha
[04:56] <terlmann> it supposed to be unusable
[04:56] <terlmann> but I use it daily ;-)
[04:57] <bikeboy> Oct 24th is the official release date iirc
[04:57] <terlmann> Spudd : enjoy ;-)
[04:57] <terlmann> bikeboy
[04:57] <terlmann> its the 7th
[04:57] <terlmann> it better be
[04:57] <skyfalcon866> mark shuttleworth uses it
[04:58] <terlmann> 7.10 , remember ?
[04:58] <bikeboy> the 7 means 2007
[04:59] <SpudDogg> terlmann: what was the name of that game again?
[04:59] <terlmann> sauerbraten ?
[05:00] <terlmann> apt-get install sauerbraten
[05:00] <terlmann> you wont find me online playing the universe version though
[05:00] <simonpeter> Can I upgrade 7.04 to 7.10 through Update Manager when 7.10 is released?
[05:00] <terlmann> youll need the tar from the sauerbraten sourceforge for that
[05:00] <terlmann> yes
[05:00] <terlmann> simon , yes
[05:00] <SpudDogg> that;s a pretty big game
[05:00] <terlmann> now go back to #ubuntu
[05:00] <SpudDogg> think it'll run in my VM?
[05:00] <bikeboy> terlmann: my mistake, Oct 18 is the scheduled day...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[05:00] <terlmann> Spud : no
[05:01] <terlmann> it  needs 3d
[05:01] <terlmann> and the size is mostly textures
[05:01] <SpudDogg> well it's not gonna run on this machine at all i dont think then
[05:01] <terlmann> the binary is 500 kb
[05:01] <terlmann> itll run on anything thatll run beryl
[05:01] <terlmann> or compiz
[05:02] <SpudDogg> well, this computer does run beryl REALLY nicely
[05:02] <SpudDogg> so, i'll try it when i upgrade to gutsy for good
[05:02] <terlmann> good ;-)
[05:02] <SpudDogg> by the way, virtualbox is working perfectly for me
[05:02] <SpudDogg> not slow at all anymore
[05:02] <terlmann> you really just need to check the depencies listed at the debian page
[05:03] <terlmann> sdl mostly
[05:03] <terlmann> and get the sauer version from sourceforge
[05:03] <terlmann> no installing req
[05:03] <terlmann> just unzip and run
[05:04] <terlmann> it doesnt work quite right in gutsy
[05:04] <terlmann> some textures are screwed up
[05:04] <terlmann> I think it has to do with sdl
[05:04] <terlmann> gutsy's sdl libs came from debian , and I had the same prob there
[05:05] <skyfalcon866> is ext4 in gusty
[05:05] <terlmann> sorta
[05:05] <terlmann> sorta no
[05:05] <terlmann> you can install it I guess
[05:05] <terlmann> dont smoke
[05:05] <terlmann> youll ruin your health'
[05:06] <terlmann> go meditate
[05:06] <terlmann> take a shower
[05:06] <terlmann> try a pipe
[05:06] <terlmann> nicotine , caffine and heroin... all addicive narcotics.
[05:06] <terlmann> dont believe me ?
[05:06] <terlmann> look it up.
[05:07] <simonpeter> When is the next LTS going to be released?
[05:07] <DanaG> yay, looks like routeirq might've fixed it.
[05:07] <pwnguin> simonpeter: i think canonical stated 8.04
[05:08] <simonpeter> thanks
[05:08] <SpudDogg> terlmann: thanks, mom
[05:09] <SpudDogg> i thought it was really cool how virtualbox automatically set up my networking
[05:09] <terlmann> LoL
[05:09] <terlmann> so does VMWARE
[05:09] <DanaG> If you must smoke, smoke salmon.
[05:10] <DanaG> (Seen on a shirt.)
[05:10] <terlmann> simon
[05:10] <SpudDogg> or kingfish, sailfish, venison
[05:10] <SpudDogg> etc
[05:10] <terlmann> hardy or hardy+1 will be lts
[05:10] <DanaG> Salmon is the one most people know of, though.
[05:10] <DanaG> I did my VMs the hard way: TAP networking.
[05:11] <DanaG> s/TAP/tap/
[05:11] <SpudDogg> speaking of fish, i have the WORST luck with my damn evinrude
[05:11] <terlmann> DanaG : I do mine in three flavors.
[05:11] <terlmann> (my vms)
[05:11] <SpudDogg> i dont even know what TAP networking is, lol
[05:12] <terlmann> crispy , buttered , and flat
[05:12] <h1st0_> When is release?
[05:13] <terlmann> never
[05:13] <terlmann> leave
[05:13] <DanaG> And VDE, too.
[05:13] <terlmann> this is ubuntu+1
[05:13] <DanaG> One bug: the tap interface must be given to a user, not to a group!
[05:13] <terlmann> ubuntu+1 will never be released
[05:13] <terlmann> only ubuntu
[05:13] <h1st0_> Very unstable
[05:13] <DanaG> It's like, "When will it be tomorrow"?
[05:14] <DanaG> Answer: You never reach "tomorrow", because Tomorrow moves.
[05:14] <h1st0_> OCt 18th I guess is official release but it sure is crashing alot.
[05:14] <terlmann> h1st0_
[05:14] <h1st0_> When will then be now?
[05:14] <DanaG> !release
[05:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[05:14] <terlmann> ubuntu+1 is the unstable version
[05:14] <SpudDogg> h1st0_: gutsy is crashing for you?
[05:14] <terlmann> this channel will always be assinged to it
[05:14] <h1st0_> I'm just saying let me get my nick back hold up
[05:15] <terlmann> when gutsy comes out  , this channel will no longer be for it
[05:15] <SpudDogg> terlmann: is someone questioning that?
[05:15] <terlmann> then we will be hardy testers
[05:15] <h1st0> Yeah its crashing for me a lot whoever asked.  Longest i've had it running was 17hrs. basically sitting there runing screensave.  Then soon as I started using it again it blew up.
[05:15] <terlmann> h1st0 : ask in ubuntu
[05:15] <h1st0> terlmann: I know i've been around for a long time.
[05:15] <terlmann> it blew up ?
[05:16] <SpudDogg> h1st0: weird...
[05:16] <terlmann> Ive been around since before warty
[05:16] <h1st0> It just hangs randomly
[05:16] <DanaG> I think Ubotu should have something funny for !rpm:
[05:16] <terlmann> dont talk to me about long
[05:16] <DanaG> !rpm
[05:16] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[05:16] <SpudDogg> h1st0: do you have a native install or VM or what?
[05:16] <DanaG> Should say something about "Vroooooom!"
[05:16] <h1st0> SpudDogg: native install.
[05:16] <DanaG> (i.e. a car engine revving.)
[05:16] <terlmann> I use gutsy and it works fine
[05:16] <SpudDogg> h1st0: no errors or anything?
[05:16] <terlmann> not that gnome works at all
[05:16] <h1st0> SpudDogg: no it just hangs
[05:17] <terlmann> at the moment only kde, e17, and fvwm-crystal work
[05:17] <terlmann> meh
[05:17] <h1st0> terlmann: SpudDogg open rhythmbox play one of the radio streams.  And start dragging a terminal window all over your desktop.  System will crash.
[05:17] <terlmann> I have a whole world here
[05:17] <SpudDogg> h1st0: well, i've been running mine for about 30 mins now and no problems
[05:17] <h1st0> SpudDogg: what type of hardware you running on?
[05:18] <h1st0> I'm using p4 3ghz 1gig of ram nvidia 7600gs bcm43xx net card etc...
[05:18] <terlmann> h1st0 : that is an undocumented ability of rhythmbox. Dont you know ?
[05:18] <terlmann> and you have nvidia and wireless ?
[05:18] <terlmann> vrap
[05:18] <SpudDogg> h1st0: core2duo, 1GB ram, intel graphics (laptop) but im running it in a VM too
[05:18] <terlmann> crap*
[05:18] <terlmann> no wonder
[05:18] <terlmann> I bet you have compiz running too
[05:18] <h1st0> SpudDogg: try running it natively it ran fine in my vm too.
[05:18] <h1st0> terlmann: I've tried with it off and on it doesn't seem to matter.
[05:18] <terlmann> hmm
[05:19] <h1st0> terlmann: I'm guessing its probably something with nvidia-glx
[05:19] <h1st0> Unless i just have this uncanny ability to crash systems
[05:19] <SpudDogg> h1st0: well, rhythmbox promtly crashed, but not the whole OS
[05:19] <terlmann> well what can I say ? contact Darth Vader , One Microsoft Way, The Death Star. He'll know what to do
[05:19] <h1st0> lol
[05:19] <terlmann> file a bug report man
[05:20] <terlmann> ever hear of launchpad ?
[05:20] <SpudDogg> !windows | terlmann
[05:20] <ubotu> terlmann: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[05:20] <terlmann> !bugs
[05:20] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:20] <h1st0> terlmann: I think its most likely a problem with rhythmbox although the last crash I had I was playing counter strike in wine and poof system just hung all of the sudden.
[05:20] <terlmann> ehe
[05:20] <h1st0> terlmann: I'm done filing bugs.
[05:20] <h1st0> had a bad experience filing them.
[05:20] <terlmann> well then dont complain
[05:20] <h1st0> Especially something like this with no sure fire way to reproduce it.
[05:21] <terlmann> you just said how
[05:21] <h1st0> It doesn't always work but thats one of the crashes I had.
[05:21] <terlmann> open rhtyhmbox , stream some music, open a terminal and move it all over the screen
[05:21] <SpudDogg> h1st0: man, i am yet to be able to get steam/CS:S/DOD:S to run on an Ubuntu box
[05:22] <terlmann> I just got 5 bucks
[05:22] <terlmann> WOO!!!
[05:22] <terlmann> SpudDogg : you need winedoors
[05:22] <terlmann> google it
[05:22] <terlmann> its bleeding edge though
[05:22] <DanaG> One thing I wanna run under Wine:
[05:23] <SpudDogg> lol, they really call something 'winedoors' too funny
[05:23] <DanaG> OpenAL games.
[05:23] <h1st0> SpudDogg: its really not that hard.
[05:23] <terlmann> Dana
[05:23] <DanaG> With EAX, I mean.
[05:23] <h1st0> SpudDogg: just install wine then add the tahoma font to yoru .wine fonts directory
[05:23] <terlmann> get the OpenAL binary
[05:23] <DanaG> Can you do it with Wine?
[05:23] <h1st0> SpudDogg: then install steam from the downloadable installer.
[05:23] <terlmann> EAX is a nogo
[05:23] <terlmann> its driver based
[05:23] <DanaG> Damn, even on emu10k1.
[05:23] <terlmann> but OpenAl works
[05:23] <SpudDogg> h1st0: i spent like 6 hours cursing last time i tried that :(
[05:24] <terlmann> just get a copy of the OpenAl binary off of the web
[05:24] <terlmann> Spudd
[05:24] <terlmann> you need IE6 installed
[05:24] <h1st0> terlmann: nah you don't
[05:24] <terlmann> and dx9
[05:24] <SpudDogg> terlmann: THAT might have been it
[05:24] <h1st0> terlmann: and no you don't need dx9
[05:24] <SpudDogg> damn dx9
[05:24] <SpudDogg> oh
[05:24] <terlmann> just get them anyway!!
[05:24] <DanaG> But the game I wanna try is Uru: Ages Beyond Myst.
[05:24] <SpudDogg> where do you download dx9?
[05:24] <h1st0> SpudDogg: ah christ
[05:25] <terlmann> Dana
[05:25] <DanaG> Unfortunately, EAX is key to the whole experience.
[05:25] <terlmann> Spud :google Winedoors
[05:25] <terlmann> jsut google it
[05:25] <DanaG> Now, if only I could buy a software EAX engine.
[05:25] <terlmann> dont try to install more than one thing at a time
[05:25] <terlmann> Dana : look it up at the appdb
[05:26] <terlmann> go to winehq.org / use the version there . then look on the left hand side for "AppDB"
[05:26] <terlmann> search that for your game
[05:26] <terlmann> EAX is hardware based
[05:26] <terlmann> its part of the creative drivers
[05:26] <h1st0> wine's appdb is all borked up now that they switched to google search.  It was so much better the old way.
[05:27] <terlmann> they switched ?
[05:27] <SpudDogg> terlmann, h1st0:  i will get my games working, but not tonight.  the ONLY reason i ever boot into windows is for autoGK...the linux prog equivalents SUCK
[05:27] <SpudDogg> like dvd::rip
[05:27] <DanaG> One thing ironic about Vista: it forces developers to use OpenAL instead of DS3D.
[05:27] <terlmann> Autyep
[05:28] <h1st0> Ugghh I should have left more space on drive for another install.
[05:29] <terlmann> AppDB hasnt changed
[05:29] <h1st0> Yeah they are using google search
[05:29] <terlmann> I dont know what your talking about
[05:29] <h1st0> atleast they where the other night
[05:29] <SpudDogg> i know this isn't the channel for this, but where do you download IE6 for install via wine?
[05:29] <terlmann> you dont search silly
[05:29] <terlmann> you browse the categories
[05:29] <terlmann> SPUDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:29] <terlmann> get winedoors
[05:29] <h1st0> lol  what the hell is winedoors?
[05:29] <terlmann> it does all that for you
[05:30] <terlmann> *sarcastically* lol what the hell is winedoors ?
[05:30] <terlmann> dana
[05:31] <terlmann> complete chronicles or 1.0 ?
[05:32] <DanaG> Complete Chronicles.
[05:32] <terlmann> Dana , you need a safe-disk crack installed and the latest version.
[05:32] <DanaG> That game has utterly amazing audio -- if you have EAX.
[05:32] <terlmann> going into winecfg and disableing oss is reccomended as well
[05:33] <DanaG> I might as well just keep Windows around for true native performance.
[05:33] <terlmann> meh
[05:33] <terlmann> looks like morrowind
[05:34] <terlmann> Im going to bed now, enjoy the book Spud.
[05:34] <SpudDogg> thanks man, will read it
[05:34] <terlmann> and I pirated it, so dont go handing it around alot when the RIAA are around
[05:34] <terlmann> I got it from the pirate bay
[05:34] <DanaG> wtf//////////////??????????????/
[05:34] <SpudDogg> got it
[05:35] <SpudDogg> terlmann: wtf does 'trac' have to do with winedoors
[05:35] <terlmann> trac ?
[05:35] <DanaG> slooowwwwwwwwwwwwkeysssssss juuuuuuutssssssssstttttttttttt  ttttttttttttuuuuurrrrrrrrnned on11111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:35] <SpudDogg> know what...nevermind
[05:35] <terlmann> I donno
[05:35] <terlmann> winedoors is a complex python script
[05:35] <SpudDogg> if you go to wine-doors.org and look at the install instructions, it talks about trac
[05:35] <DanaG> Argh, and slowkeys breaks all modifier keys.
[05:35] <terlmann> it automates downloading usefull software into wine
[05:37] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/41427
[05:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41427 in ubuntu ""slow keys" can turn on surreptitiously & cause confusion." [Medium,Incomplete] 
[05:38] <h1st0> lol
[05:39] <SpudDogg> winedoors is actually pretty cool
[05:39] <michael_> hey i upgraded to the gutsy dev kernel, and i noticed when i unplug my ac adapter, my backlight turns off, so then I plug it back in and pull it back out and the backlight stays on
[05:40] <michael_> the only thing i can think of is the laptop save power script that i am using, is it possible that is causing it?
[05:40] <DanaG> That slowkeys bug is rather major, in my opinion.
[05:40] <hydrogen> yes michael_
[05:40] <michael_> dang, i liked that script, :( i guess i shall take a look at it and see whats up
[05:41] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[05:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New] 
[05:42] <hydrogen> or thats more likely michael_
[05:42] <michael_> oh
[06:10] <DanaG> Oh great, rmmod uhci-hcd stalled.
[06:35] <sparr> Setting up libgtk2.0-bin (2.6.10-1.osso21) ...
[06:35] <sparr> Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.4.0.../usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0: error while loading shared libraries: libXfixes.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:35] <sparr> can anyone confirm?
[06:37] <Amaranth> sparr: you're using a very old version of ubuntu with an unsupported 3rd party version of gtk+
[06:39] <_lemsx1_> the Deskbar applet on Gutsy seems to crash when doing simple searches. can anyone else try it?
[06:40] <_lemsx1_> the only thing i did was to install Beagle and move the extension to the top
[06:47] <sparr> Amaranth: err, no?
[06:47] <Amaranth> sparr: yes
[06:47] <sparr> Amaranth: i just upgraded digikam and firefox and dependencies from feisty to gutsy
[06:48] <Amaranth> !info libgtk2.0-bin feisty
[06:48] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-bin: The programs for the GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.11-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 22 kB, installed size 136 kB
[06:48] <Amaranth> !info libgtk2.0-bin gutsy
[06:48] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-bin: The programs for the GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.11.6-1ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 88 kB
[06:48] <Amaranth> !info libgtk2.0-bin warty
[06:49] <sparr> wtf
[06:49] <sparr> 'osso'
[06:49] <sparr> thats the distro on my handheld
[06:49] <sparr> ive got those sources on my desktop for occasional pulls
[06:49] <Amaranth> then you aren't using ubuntu :)
[06:49] <sparr> why tf would apt think 2.6xx is preferable to 2.10xx?
[06:50] <Amaranth> why would your handheld use 2.6? i thought they all agreed 2.10 was better now
[06:50] <Amaranth> oh, that's probably a 770
[06:50] <sparr> :)
[06:50] <sparr> good call
[06:51] <Amaranth> pretty sure the 800 uses 2.10 now
[06:51] <sparr> yeah
[06:51] <Amaranth> or will in the next release
[06:51] <sparr> now ive got to beat apt with a stick to get it to "downgrade" to 2.10
[06:51] <Amaranth> maybe you've got that repo pinned
[06:51] <Amaranth> apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-bin
[06:52] <sparr> libgtk2.0-bin:
[06:52] <sparr>   Installed: 2:2.6.10-1.osso21
[06:52] <sparr>   Candidate: 2:2.6.10-1.osso21
[06:52] <sparr>   Version table:
[06:52] <sparr>  *** 2:2.6.10-1.osso21 0
[06:52] <sparr>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[06:52] <sparr>      2.11.6-1ubuntu4 0
[06:52] <sparr>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[06:53] <sparr> "2:" seems odd
[06:53] <Amaranth> oh, it's got an epoch
[06:53] <Amaranth> that makes it higher
[06:53] <sparr> eww
[06:55] <sparr> well, i fixed those
[06:55] <sparr> removed that source
[06:56] <sparr> and now things are more and/or less broken
[06:56] <Amaranth> that's what happens when you mix repos
[06:56] <sparr> yeah, i know
[06:56] <sparr> worst case, ill do a fresh install of gutsy
[06:56] <sparr> been a while  :)
[07:07] <DanaG> Odd, I have two Trash folders and two Junk folders in Evolution.
[07:31] <DanaG> !evolution
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evolution - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:31] <DanaG> That response sounds almost political.  Heh.
[07:36] <Ayabara> I'm having a great deal of problems with my Gutsy. 1. I run on a Lenovo R60, and whenever I go from power to battery all network activity stops, and I must restart to get it back
[07:37] <Ayabara> if I do an "ls" in a shell where I view an nfsmounted share, it just hangs there
[07:39] <Ayabara> 2. when I reboot and try to log in, I'm often told that my home directory cannot be found. after a reboot it suddenly can..
[07:40] <DanaG> argh, no changelogs for gcc, gij, libgcj
[07:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> is the kernel not properly updating in grub a common issue?
[07:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm apparently (according to lsb_release -a) running gutsy, with the 2.6.20 kernel
[07:46] <DanaG> How would I go about fixing the edges on a PNG image such as this one?  http://iaudiophile.net/forums/images/iaudiophile/new_icons/i6_icon.png
[07:49] <_lemsx1_> DanaG: use The Gimp and select all the area outside the image
[07:50] <_lemsx1_> DanaG: using the magic tool. then use the Select menu and shrink the selection by 1 or 2 pixels. then remove (clear or cut) the selection
[07:50] <_lemsx1_> DanaG: hope that helps
[07:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> anyone?
[07:52] <_lemsx1_> Daisuke_Laptop: i'm not sure what your issue is, but did you try to reboot after installing a new (gutsy) kernel? do you have grub set to use the "saved" kernel instead of "0" (first index)?
[07:53] <_lemsx1_> Daisuke_Laptop: when the system is about to start, press ESC (key) and select the kernel you want. then remove the old ones from your system, once the system is back and it's using the right kernel
[07:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's set to use the saved kernel, but when 2.6.22 isn't even listed
[07:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm familiar with the grub menu :)  it's not even there, though apparently it's been installed
[07:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> nice new prompt on sudo, by the way, saves the new user a little confusion about exactly whose password he or she is supposed to enter
[07:55] <DanaG> ugh, Gimp died.
[07:56] <DanaG> Oh, and for some reason, quodlibet is stopping between songs.
[08:00] <DanaG> WTF?  It just randomly stopped in the middle of a song!
[08:01] <Sierra-X> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39386
[08:01] <Sierra-X> that's the ls output for /boot, so there's no reason grub shouldn't be picking that up as a usable kernel
[08:02] <DanaG> Oh, and the iAudio USB device just disappeared, too.
[08:05] <DanaG> [ 5370.152000]  usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 11
[08:05] <DanaG> [ 5380.876000]  usb 1-2: device not accepting address 11, error -110
[08:05] <DanaG> It does that all the way from address 5 to 11.
[08:05] <DanaG> And then it gives up.
[08:06] <DanaG> Note: I'm using a USB 2.0 device on a USB 1.1 root hub.
[08:08] <DanaG> usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[08:24] <DanaG> Great, since this laptop has only one cardbus slot, I'm stuck choosing between USB 2.0 and a crappy sound chip, or (broken) USB 1.1 and a good sound card.
[08:26] <DanaG> Argh, no changelogs for gcc or cpp or gij or libgcj.
[08:28] <RAOF> DanaG: Gutsy-changes.  RSS feed available :)
[08:33] <DanaG> Oh, and what's with the big ugly gray arrow on symlinks?
[08:43] <DanaG> Oh, and emblems are tiny.
[08:47] <DanaG> ..except for the "link" emblem.
[08:47] <DanaG> oh wait, it's a bit less huge than before.
[08:51] <DanaG> Heh, this LCD turns a grungy green when brightness is set low.
[08:52] <hylje> :o
[08:58] <nickrud> RAOF: where's the RSS to be found?
[08:58] <RAOF> nickrud: Googling "gutsy changes rss" gives http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/gutsy.xml :)
[08:59] <nickrud> there now :) gutsy changes rss feed works ;()
[09:00] <nickrud> although I prefer seeing them in aptitude while I decide to upgrade or not. Lazy I guess
[09:27] <jscinoz> oh god yes
[09:27] <jscinoz> New version of alsa-utils in the repo
[09:27] <jscinoz> hopefully i'll finally have sound again
[09:32] <Jordan_U> Does splashy work for anybody in Gutsy?
[09:42] <jscinoz> splashy?
[09:42] <jscinoz> ah
[09:43] <jscinoz> what point is there using splashy over the default usplash?
[09:43] <jscinoz> well i need to reboot to see if the alsa update fixed sound, i'll install splashy and tell you what happens
[09:43] <jscinoz> brb
[09:46] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem with gutsy when installed on a 15.4" laptop, I set vga=0x314 (ie 800x600 resolution) kernel option, the problem is that with this option I cannot access the virtual console anymore, ie. the virtual console does not appear ! how to solve that ?
[09:51] <malnilion> Is xorg 7.3 going to come in Gutsy?
[09:51] <JDahl> my frequency scaling seems buggy on an intel  dual core laptop.  I can change governor using the cpufreq tools,  but I cannot control the frequency,  which always gradually reduces to the lowest frequency available
[09:52] <RAOF> malnilion: No, probably not.
[09:52] <malnilion> Meh, that's a shame
[09:54] <malnilion> I guess xorg 7.3 had a later release than intended
[09:54] <RAOF> Indeed.
[09:55] <jscinoz> darnit still no sound
[09:55] <jscinoz> and splashy doesnt seem to work on Gutsy to whoever asked before
[09:55] <malnilion> Gnome splash was disabled afaik
[09:56] <malnilion> Which is fine by me, I didn't ever see the need.
[09:56] <jscinoz> hey guys, when i try to modprobe snd-hda-intel i get a whole bunch of unknown symbol errors, relating to snd_timer, snd_pcm, and snd_hda_intel, what can i do?
[09:58] <jscinoz> hey again
[09:58] <jscinoz> my connection droppe sorry
[09:58] <jscinoz> any ideas what i can do regarding my alsa problem?
[10:01] <jscinoz> gah
[10:01] <jscinoz> happened again
[10:01] <jscinoz> so any idea on the ALSA problem?
[10:03] <jscinoz> gah gotta reboot again
[10:03] <jscinoz> brb
[10:06] <mon^rch> yay gutsy :D
[10:21] <atlas95> hello
[10:21] <atlas95> I have some problem with usb drive ...
[10:22] <atlas95> automount doesn't work now
[10:37] <buti> hi.
[10:38] <buti> i often get locked out of xorg on kubuntu gutsy.
[10:39] <buti> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[10:39] <buti> Xlib: No protocol specified
[10:39] <buti> Error: Can't open display: :0.0
[10:52] <jscinoz> <-- wants his .9 kernel back
[11:23] <jscinoz> ok
[11:23] <jscinoz> i think i have an improvment at least on the alsa situation
[11:24] <jscinoz> the module now loads with "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=3stack-6ch" and can be seen with lsmod, however "asoundconf list" returns no available cards
[11:24] <jscinoz> any ideas?
[11:29] <soul9> jscinoz, did you modprobe all the other alsa modules?
[11:29] <soul9> like pcm
[11:29] <dystopianray> assuming the new ATi driver is released within the next week, would it possibly make it into gutsy?
[11:44] <jscinoz> soul9, doh :P
[11:44] <jscinoz> i need, snd-pcm, snd-timer and what else?
[11:49] <jscinoz> Soul9, i tried this command "sudo modprobe snd-page-alloc; sudo modprobe snd; sudo modprobe snd-timer; sudo modprobe snd-pcm; sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel" asoundconf still states no configured devices, what modules am i missing?
[11:53] <soul9> hmm
[11:53] <soul9> dunno man, do you have a mixer ins amixer?
[11:58] <jscinoz> nope
[11:58] <jscinoz> no default device
[12:02] <jscinoz> the module now loads with "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=3stack-6ch" and can be seen with lsmod, however "asoundconf list" returns no available cards. Any ideas anyone?
[12:19] <jscinoz> Well this channel sure is dead
[12:23] <jscinoz> ...
[12:35] <jxxxt> jscinoz, Sorry I have not the slightest clue :-(
[12:35] <jscinoz> >_<
[12:41] <gnomefreak> jscinoz: i believe that is a known issue with the latest kernel, please look on launchpad.net for open bugs i doubt they fixed it yet
[12:41] <jscinoz> >_<
[12:42] <gnomefreak> i havent looked since saturday because of illness but im 90% sure its not fixed yet
[12:56] <jscinoz> any idea when it will be fixed?
[12:56] <jscinoz> ahh nevermind, i have to go now
[12:57] <jscinoz> be back later possible
[12:57] <jscinoz> possibly*
[01:39] <jscinoz> hey guys
[01:40] <jscinoz> I'm having a slight problem with compiz-fusion.
[01:40] <jscinoz> When it exits, either by killing the process, logging off, or running "metacity --replace" my entire system hangs and requires a hard reboot. Any ideas on why this happens and how i can fix it?
[01:44] <Tomcat_> jscinoz: No specific idea... you could do some straces and file bug reports.
[01:44] <jscinoz> >_<
[01:44] <jscinoz> i had this problem even with a fresh install of gutsy
[01:44] <jscinoz> also, my system hangs if i run something else with 3d acceleration while compiz is still running
[01:44] <Tomcat_> Might be driver related then...
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[02:15] <jscinoz> alrighty
[02:15] <jscinoz> be right back
[02:22] <IdleOne> Amaranth: will gutsy be available via Shipit and if so do you know starting when?
[02:22] <Amaranth> no clue
[02:22] <IdleOne> checked the site last night and still not on there. guess it will be soon though
[02:24] <mon^rch> anyone play q3 here? I am trying to get sound working :/
[02:49] <Vorbote> I just installed yesterday's daily CD and OpenOffice doesn't find java. Is this a known bug? Launchpad doesn't tell me anything afaik.
[03:07] <buti> hi. any ideas why xorg on kubuntu gutsy refuses new connections after some time?
[03:11] <soc> hi
[03:11] <soc> does some one know if fglrx 8.41 will get into gutsy?
[03:12] <soc> even if i'm not a fan of proprietary crap, that thing makes an ati gpu usable in 3d again ...
[03:13] <roe> ah the woes of fglrx, I've left that in the dust long ago
[03:13] <soc> yes, i bought a nvidia 8500gt 2 weeks ago
[03:13] <soc> but i have a laptop too
[03:13] <soc> where i can't chnae the gpu ...
[03:14] <roe> not without some 1337 skillz
[03:14] <Skiessi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3312864#post3312864 here's a thread
[03:15] <Skiessi> and it says no
[03:22] <soc> oh i hate manual installation :-(
[03:23] <kousotu> cos: it'sa nightmare on Linux, I know
[03:23] <kousotu> soc*
[03:24] <soc> yes, i just wonder, even if it's formally too late for gutsy
[03:24] <kousotu> ?
[03:24] <soc> wouldn't it reduce the hassles of ati users which will surely update their drivers?
[03:25] <soc> i can't think of a reason a normal user would stay at the version in the repo, if there's a new one which improves performance by 50% to 5400%
[03:25] <soc> and after the first kernel update everyone starts crying ...
[03:34] <c1|freaky> can someone tell me how i can disable the XGL-Version of X?
[03:37] <mrtimdog> c1|freaky: try uninstalling xserver-xgl, I've just had to do that too. Had to revert a couple of gdm config files as I'd changed them too.
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> w00t!!! new ATI drivers are coming!!
[04:13] <c1|freaky> nosrednaekim: when?
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> within a week
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=821&num=1
[04:15] <terlmann> hmm
[04:15] <c1|freaky> im really going crazy. i have ati drivers installed and xserver-xgl ... now the standard-session type is somehow XGL and it makes everything really slow i dont know how to rrevert thaat and get that XGL disabled. if i uninstall xserver-xgl KDE doesnt start anymore
[04:16] <terlmann> I cant join ubuntu+2
[04:16] <terlmann> LoL
[04:16] <terlmann> c1
[04:16] <terlmann> just uninstall it
[04:16] <c1|freaky> i did that then KDE doesnt start anymore
[04:16] <terlmann> then reconfigure xorg
[04:16] <c1|freaky> ill try
[04:17] <terlmann> sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:17] <terlmann> you want aiglx installed
[04:17] <terlmann> xgl sucks
[04:17] <terlmann> if you want, there is an experiemental r_500 driver out
[04:17] <terlmann> google it
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> c1|freaky: did you create a new menu entry for XGL?
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> in /usr/share/xsessions?
[04:19] <c1|freaky> yes i did. but i didnt choose that
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> c1|freaky: you didn't choose xgl in kdm? you chose kde?
[04:21] <c1|freaky> right
[04:21] <c1|freaky> and it starts the XGL version of X since a few days
[04:21] <c1|freaky> one moment ill restart X now
[04:24] <c1|freaky> reconfiguring xorg worked. thank you very much
[04:26] <kousotu> how do you install moust icons?
[04:26] <terlmann> your welcome :-)
[04:26] <kousotu> mouse*
[04:26] <terlmann> kousotu
[04:26] <terlmann> gnome ?
[04:27] <terlmann> system > preferences > themes
[04:27] <kousotu> ya
[04:27] <terlmann> and unless your in gutsy please take this to #ubuntu
[04:27] <kousotu> wait, themes doesn't exist in gutsy
[04:27] <kousotu> lol
[04:28] <c1|freaky> it's amazing how fast i can switch between channel windows now. with XGL it took arround 5 seconds if nothing else was running
[04:28] <terlmann> ehe
[04:28] <c1|freaky> :D
[04:29] <hylje> ha
[04:29] <c1|freaky> is someone in need of a BNC for freenode?
[04:29] <hylje> local irssi is probably faster
[04:29] <terlmann> c1 : try fvwm for a speed boost
[04:29] <c1|freaky> im using konversation and sBNC
[04:29] <terlmann> sudo apt-get install fvwm-crystal
[04:29] <terlmann> really fast wm
[04:29] <terlmann> decent eyecandy too
[04:33] <c1|freaky> KDE is best ;D
[04:34] <terlmann> thats cus you havent seen fvwm-crystal
[04:34] <terlmann> or e17
[04:34] <kousotu> terlmann: yes, gnoe
[04:34] <terlmann> they'll blow your mind
[04:41] <constrictor> what's the difference between normal effects, and extra effects in desktop effects
[04:42] <kousotu> constrictor: extra is windo stretching
[04:42] <kousotu> or.. wobbly windows as somecall it
[04:43] <constrictor> oh right
[04:43] <constrictor> is that all?
[05:02] <constrictor> new windows seem to be spawned underneath the gnome-panel
[05:06] <kousotu> constrictor: you mean without a titlebar?
[05:07] <kousotu> just the fiel, edit, view, etc. bar?
[05:07] <kousotu> file*
[05:10] <constrictor> no with at titlebar kousotu
[05:10] <kousotu> ?
[05:10] <kousotu> oh.. that bug
[05:10] <kousotu> lol
[05:10] <kousotu> um... take off extra and put norm, move the window down then put extra up
[05:11] <kousotu> mine likes to remove the bar
[05:16] <constrictor> thanks
[05:16] <kousotu> np
[05:17] <shirish> hi all, anybody having issues with the updates, esp. with update-app-install upgrade
[05:19] <shirish> http://pastebin.ca/682431 for reference
[05:20] <shirish> my mistake that should have been app-install-data-commercial
[05:20] <Hobbsee> shirish: check for a bug
[05:20] <shirish> Hobbsee: doing that :)
[05:22] <shirish> Hobbsee: nope, there is no bug filed against it, perhaps I need to do that.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> shirish: sec.
[05:23] <shirish> Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-commercial/
[05:23] <shirish> I searched there.
[05:26] <xplode_me> hey
[05:26] <shirish> Hobbsee: I did update to show newest first, this one is not reported.
[05:27] <shirish> xplode_me: hey
[05:27] <xplode_me> are ubuntu gutsy daily builds live cds?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> xplode_me: yes, but they may not actually work
[05:27] <xplode_me> thanks Hobbsee
[05:27] <shirish> although there is a note written if somethings do not work.
[05:27] <shirish> sometimes.
[05:28] <shirish> xplode_me: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[05:29] <claudiu> hello
[05:29] <kousotu> hi
[05:29] <xplode_me> thanks shirish
[05:29] <xplode_me> i think i got it
[05:29] <xplode_me> cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live
[05:29] <xplode_me> sounds reasonable
[05:29] <xplode_me> :p
[05:30] <xplode_me> dling
[05:30] <xplode_me> 13 minutes
[05:30] <xplode_me> takes forever...
[05:31] <shirish> xplode_me: there are torrents also there, I prefer those.
[05:31] <xplode_me> is it faster than 873KB/s ?
[05:32] <shirish> xplode_me: no idea, give it a shot who knows ;)
[05:32] <claudiu> could you give me the default sources.list for gutsy , pls  ?
[05:33] <shirish> Hobbsee: I already went ahead & filed a bug at bug 137546
[05:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137546 in app-install-data-commercial "[Gutsy]  Problems while updating to 8.2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137546
[05:33] <Hobbsee> shirish: you could have mentioned what hte problem was, in the title too
[05:33] <shirish> Hobbsee: how?
[05:34] <shirish> Hobbsee: ah I see, maybe say traceback
[05:34] <shirish> Hobbsee: fixed, thank you :)
[05:34] <claudiu> i would really need a default sources.list for gutsy
[05:35] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic |claudiu
[05:35] <ubotu> claudiu: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:35] <eagles0513875> claudiu: there u go
[05:36] <shirish> eagles0513875: that's a nice link, worth a del.icio.us bookmark ;)
[05:37] <eagles0513875> lol
[05:39] <claudiu> eagles0513875: thanks, it seems like the solution, i see the commercial is missing, but gusy wont have it till october anyways
[05:39] <eagles0513875> claudiu: whats in the commercial
[05:39] <claudiu> shirish: you humour is excellent
[05:40] <shirish> claudiu: thank you, glad to be of assistance ;)
[05:41] <claudiu> eagles0513875: things like opera and stuff , which must be bought -> thats why they call it commercial
[05:41] <claudiu> installing daily build could be a failure, better try dlding tribe 5 and distupgrade
[05:41] <eagles0513875> opera doesnt have to be bought
[05:41] <shirish> eagles0513875: also, stuff like googleearth etc.
[05:41] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[05:42] <claudiu> shirish: yeah, coomercial stuff
[05:42] <shirish> claudiu: I know :)
[05:44] <shirish> guys bb in a while.
[05:44] <claudiu> shirish: I heard 2 min ago a nice joke, if you guys dont mind
[05:46] <claudiu> At the sunday school, the priest is telling the kids how God made Adam, and than He made Eve from Adam's rib. John says: But my dad says we are coming from the monkeys. The priest says: John, we aren't interested in your family particular case, I was just talking in general here
[05:47] <kousotu> Hobbsee: let's move the convo over here lol
[05:48] <kousotu> Hobbsee: anywho.. I have, as usual.. a porblem with workspaces
[05:49] <Hobbsee> and i don tuse compiz, i don tuse beryl, and i dont use gnome.  i'm not the person you want.
[05:49] <kousotu> I installed a new theme and now I can't switch them
[05:49] <kousotu> darn...
[05:50] <claudiu> kousotu: remove you themes folder, please check your ~/.themes maybe ?
[05:50] <kousotu> ?
[05:51] <claudiu> kousotu: just trying to help
[05:51] <kousotu> I installed a whole bunch of themes though
[05:52] <shirish> Hobbsee: you there?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> shirish: FSVO there, yes.
[05:52] <kousotu> lol
[05:52] <claudiu> kousotu: maybe if you try to remove the last one ...
[05:52] <kousotu> for sure <something <something>
[05:53] <Hobbsee> for some value of
[05:53] <kousotu> ah..
[05:53] <kousotu> lol
[05:53] <claudiu> yoopie
[05:53] <kousotu> lol
[05:54] <Hobbsee> shirish: as in, i'm here, somewhat.
[05:54] <shirish> anyway, can anybody help me with bug 137541
[05:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137541 in displayconfig-gtk "can't change resolution of CRT monitor" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137541
[05:54] <Hobbsee> or, for some values of "i'm here"
[05:54] <claudiu> shirish: what seems to be your problem ?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> okay, if it's with bugs, then i'm not here :P
[05:55] <eagles0513875> ouch
[05:56] <claudiu> shirish: trouble with your display ?
[05:56] <shirish> claudiu: I am basically trying to get displayconfig-gtk to be able to change resolutions on the fly.
[05:57] <shirish> claudiu: yup, its set at 1024*768
[05:57] <claudiu> shirish: you are testing the tool , I presume
[05:57] <shirish> claudiu: yup, as its supposed to make things easier, yes :)
[06:01] <claudiu> shirish: i tried to run it , but it throwed a lot of errors and tragically died
[06:01] <claudiu> ... in its terminal
[06:01] <eagles0513875> !compiz-fusion |kousotu
[06:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compiz-fusion - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <eagles0513875> !compiz
[06:01] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:01] <kousotu> lol
[06:02] <eagles0513875> !beryl
[06:02] <shirish> claudiu: ah cool, cool, can you add your stuff to the bug also perhaps with whatever I have filled it with.
[06:02] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:02] <kousotu> I havecompi installed
[06:02] <eagles0513875> kousotu: u might have to add a repository i would take a llook at the beryl website
[06:02] <kousotu> but beryl pacages aren't in gutsy
[06:02] <kousotu> um.. and the site is?
[06:02] <eagles0513875> let me find it for ya
[06:03] <kousotu> ty
[06:03] <eagles0513875> http://www.beryl-project.org/
[06:03] <eagles0513875> try that
[06:03] <ggilbert> compiz has basically merged with beryl.
[06:03] <eagles0513875> thats what im trying to tell him
[06:03] <kousotu> but had none of the cool effects of beryl
[06:04] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:04] <eagles0513875> beryl is kool but nothing we can do bout it being merged
[06:05] <eagles0513875> kousotu: y dont u program another one like beryl
[06:05] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:05] <kousotu> http://www.beryl-project.org/releases.php < do I have to install everythin under 0.2.1
[06:05] <kousotu> an um.. how would I add that as a source for packages?
[06:05] <eagles0513875> lol i dunno
[06:06] <eagles0513875> what is beryl programmed in to begin with
[06:06] <kousotu> eagles0513875: funny, I can't even code a SIMPLE number game
[06:06] <kousotu> a friend did most of the work, but gave me the credit
[06:06] <kousotu> lol
[06:07] <eagles0513875> im working on teaching myself c++
[06:07] <eagles0513875> then java then python
[06:07] <shirish> !strace
[06:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about strace - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:07] <eagles0513875> !trace
[06:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trace - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:07] <shirish> ubotu strace
[06:10] <shirish> !debug
[06:10] <ubotu> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[06:12] <eagles0513875> anyone have any c++ compilers they recommend
[06:14] <hylje> g++
[06:52] <GyrosGeier> hi
[06:53] <GyrosGeier> is there already a debootstrap version that knows the difference between gutsy and hardy?
[06:54] <PriceChild> GyrosGeier, hardy's development hasn't begun yet.
[06:54] <GyrosGeier> okay
[06:54] <GyrosGeier> so I don't have to modify my scripts, yay!
[06:54] <kousotu> it's set for a week after gutsy "hits the shelves?"
[06:54] <GyrosGeier> well
[06:55] <kousotu> lol
[06:55] <GyrosGeier> I'm doing automated cross toolchain backports
[06:55] <GyrosGeier> and am targetting all known Debian and Ubuntu releases
[06:55] <kousotu> ah..
[06:56] <kousotu> PriceChild: do you know what the package s to make your own themes?
[06:56] <PriceChild> kousotu, I didn't know that there was one.
[06:56] <kousotu> lol
[06:56] <GyrosGeier> evil script, currently takes 10 days for a full run on a 3GHz amd64
[06:56] <kousotu> wow, sucksto be me
[06:56] <kousotu> lol
[06:56] <PriceChild> kousotu, lovely xml editing
[06:56] <kousotu> lol
[06:57] <kousotu> I can't edit *ml for shit lol
[06:57] <kousotu> let's see what snaptic as to say for "themes"
[06:57] <GyrosGeier> kousotu, xml can probably be edited with conglomerate
[06:58] <kousotu> GyrosGeier: but that's assuming youcan code anything
[06:58] <kousotu> I can't code
[06:59] <GyrosGeier> conglomerate basically makes sure you keep the proper syntax of the file; the difficulty would be understanding what the file does
[07:02] <kousotu> hidon installed by default?
[07:06] <kousotu> installing about 20 packages right now though
[07:08] <kousotu> um.. after Ubuntu installs packages, does it delete what it had to download?
[07:24] <kousotu> can anyone help with Beryl?
[07:28] <mrtimdog> Hi, is there a app which will show the actual private memory usage of running apps? Something maybe like top/htop?
[07:33] <GyrosGeier> top shows that
[07:34] <GyrosGeier> VIRT is the amount of memory the process needs total, SHR is the amount it could share with other processes (i.e. non-private file-backed mappings), and RES is how much is actually in memory
[07:38] <mrtimdog> Thanks GyrosGeier: So, VIRT covers all sections of the apps memory mapping (shared, private, etc.,...)?
[07:39] <mrtimdog> RES, is what, out of VIRT, that is (possible) shared?
[07:39] <mrtimdog> Sorry, read SHR instead of RES for that last one!
[07:40] <mrtimdog> And RES is what exactly?
[07:41] <GyrosGeier> the RESident size
[07:41] <GyrosGeier> how much is currently in RAM, as opposed to swapped out
[07:41] <GyrosGeier> note that for the X server, the video memory counts against VIRT and RES
[07:42] <mrtimdog> Yes, I know that, I mean what does it consist of, the types.
[07:42] <mrtimdog> This is just out of curiosity. I'm just trying to see it I can make my gutsy less gerthy!
[07:43] <GyrosGeier> you can look at /proc/12345/maps
[07:43] <GyrosGeier> (where 12345 is the PID of the process you want to know about)
[07:43] <mrtimdog> Yep, got know that procfs
[07:44] <mrtimdog> That didn't make much sense. Yes got that, the procfs, even.
[07:46] <GyrosGeier> the r-x mappings are usually the text segments, the rwx or rw mappings data segments, and the anonymous rwx or rw mappings following the data segment is BSS
[07:47] <GyrosGeier> the numbers after the protection are major:minor of the device the backing is on, and the inode number
[07:56] <kousotu> can someone help me with compiz-fusion?
[07:56] <jussi01> kousotu: #ubuntu-effects
[07:57] <sacater> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Hash Sum mismatch
[07:57] <sacater> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/source/Sources.bz2: Hash Sum mismatch
[07:57] <sacater> thats what update mgr gives me :(
[07:59] <stdin> try with another mirror
[07:59] <sacater> like fr.archive?
[08:00] <sacater> but will that give me french language?
[08:02] <scizzo-> sacater: no......its only download source you change
[08:03] <scizzo-> sacater: you can download the same things on se mirrors as a example....most of the time its the closest mirror you use to get better connection to the server for downloading packages
[08:16] <soc> hi
[08:16] <soc> can someboday cofirm that?
[08:16] <soc> http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
[08:30] <kousotu> !paste
[08:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:31] <kousotu> can someone help with compiz-fusion troubles?
[08:32] <ikonia> kousotu: join #ubuntu-effects
[08:33] <kousotu> I'm therealready
[08:33] <kousotu> o one's answering
[08:33] <kousotu> no*
[08:33] <ikonia> kousotu then wait
[08:33] <ikonia> this is for gusty support
[08:34] <kousotu> well I have a paste of the terminal
[08:34] <ikonia> ?
[08:34] <kousotu> it's just that any time I close terminal I lose my title bars
[08:34] <kousotu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36468/
[08:34] <ikonia> what are you talking about ?
[08:35] <ikonia> I've just said this isn't the appropriate place
[08:35] <kousotu> compiz-fusion, and my theme
[08:35] <ikonia> your compiz install is broke
[08:35] <ikonia> xgl isn't found
[08:35] <kousotu> how exciting...
[08:35] <kousotu> how do I go aout fixing that?
[08:36] <ikonia> ask in #ubuntu-effects, although I doubt you'll get support as your running gusty
[08:37] <kousotu> someone finally showed up
[08:37] <kousotu> lol
[09:08] <mon^rch> I'm sure this has been asked before... is there a way to keep my pc from frezing while running opengl apps + compiz?
[09:34] <claudiu> kousotu: say your problem
[09:34] <buz> is there any way to force acpi to use s2ram for suspend to ram?
[09:35] <richard> Ape!
[09:35] <richard> Emerald doesn't want to work
[09:36] <kousotu> claudiu: it's resolved already, but thanks for nitiingit was there
[09:36] <richard> --replace is a dead end!
[09:36] <squee> Does anyone here run mythtv on gutsy?
[09:36] <kousotu> richard: do you have xgl installed?
[09:36] <richard> aiglx, nvidia
[09:37] <richard> I can occasionally get the "metacity" look alike theme
[09:37] <kousotu> richard: open synaptic and searchxgl
[09:38] <richard> something about purging it?
[09:38] <kousotu> wait a sec
[09:39] <richard> hmm... two libgnome-compiz-manager
[09:41] <kousotu> and?
[09:42] <kousotu> wait, just type this in termainal: sudo apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager
[09:43] <kousotu> and then go to.. (sec, looking it up)
[09:44] <richard> would you recommend it over compizconfig?
[09:46] <richard> well, as I installed it I got the human border back
[09:46] <richard> so its a start :)
[09:49] <richard> also, what is svn called in the gutsy repo?
[09:50] <richard> lol nevermind
[09:53] <asdf> I installed gutsy and everything went great.  However, my fonts look terrible in Firefox.  I followed this guide on Feisty before upgrading: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343670 ayway to undo this?
[09:54] <asdf> I installed gutsy and everything went great.  However, my fonts look terrible in Firefox.  I followed this guide on Feisty before upgrading*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343670 ayway to undo this?
[09:56] <richard> asdf, try going to System->Preferences->Appearance
[09:56] <richard> and then fonts
[09:56] <asdf> richard: already did that and everything changes in other apps, just not in firefox
[09:57] <richard> hmm...
[09:57] <richard> *ponders*
[09:57] <richard> I remember I used to have the same problem
[09:57] <richard> after installing the ms core fonts
[09:58] <richard> asdf, how about if you try to, in Firefox, go to Edit->Preferences->Content
[09:59] <asdf> did that too -- and it changes briefly, then goes back to the horrible fonts
[10:01] <asdf> any other ideas, richard?
[10:03] <richard> not at the moment Im afraid
[10:04] <asdf> maybe I'll uninstall the MS core fonts -- do you remember where they are?
[10:05] <richard> Im going to guess in one of the /fonts places :P
[10:05] <scizzo-> asdf: you can check for them in the add remove program
[10:05] <richard> uninstalling the mscorefonts package might work
[10:14] <sebsebseb> please read the topic especially things are broken lol yeah well  that's a bit pointless when a  gutsy install is already broken
[10:16] <sebsebseb> in my case,  the latest kernel stopped my sound from working,  then issues with X and Nividia driver also so on.  so  I put back the previous kernel, and then once I installed the nividia-glx driver from apt of course it got the latest version,  and so x screws up in that previous kernel.  and in the latest that I don't want, something seems a bit screwed there.  Where can I get the previous...
[10:16] <sebsebseb> ... nividia-driver/module for the previous kernel?
[10:20] <davmor2> anyone else got an intel hda sound card
[10:21] <richard> yeah
[10:21] <richard> well... with realtek ac97
[10:21] <davmor2> richard: does you volume control do anything?
[10:22] <richard> its screwed up
[10:22] <richard> surround controls speaker volume
[10:22] <davmor2> ok
[10:22] <davmor2> ta
[10:22] <richard> try it first :P
[10:22] <davmor2> running it on my laptop volume simply does nothing
[10:25] <richard> ah...
[10:25] <richard> I think an update fixed it for me
[10:25] <richard> either that or a reinstall
[10:26] <sebsebseb> sound dosan't work at all in the latest kernel for me
[10:26] <sebsebseb> either
[10:26] <sebsebseb> since it seems to want some driver,  however  I have never had to get a driver/module for the kernel  before
[10:26] <sebsebseb> and the previous kernel the sound works :)
[10:27] <scizzo-> sebsebseb: well what happened first of all with nvidia-glx?
[10:27] <scizzo-> sebsebseb: you are using the glx-new driver?
[10:27] <sebsebseb> no  the nividia-glx
[10:27] <sebsebseb> well. that's the one I installed
[10:27] <scizzo-> och and that didn't work with the new kernel?
[10:27] <sebsebseb> no that worked whatever nividia driver I had, but not sound
[10:28] <sebsebseb> the previous kernel though
[10:28] <sebsebseb> when I have the latest installed
[10:28] <sebsebseb> x screws up
[10:28] <sebsebseb> it seems to need the version of the Nividia driver for that kernel
[10:29] <sebsebseb> maybe I am using the wrong Nivida driver?  the new drivers?
[10:29] <sebsebseb> I want this?
[10:36] <scizzo-> sebsebseb: well might give errors also
[10:36] <scizzo-> sebsebseb: but if you arent searching for where the problem is exactly then you might never get it fixed
[10:37] <sebsebseb> I think I know what the problem is
[10:37] <scizzo-> sebsebseb: you can always check what: dmesg gives you
[10:37] <hydrogen> the problem is that the driver was compiled against a different version of the kernel than you are trying to use
[10:38] <sebsebseb> new kernel seems to need a sound driver/module, why fuck knows?  x  will work there though with the driver I put
[10:38] <stdin> !language > sebsebseb
[10:38] <sebsebseb> old kernel,  was fine,  sound and x worked,  and then I was stupid enough to get a kernel update,  and bang problems
[10:39] <ompaul> !ohmy | sebsebseb ( ;-) just cos you forgot for a moment)
[10:39] <ubotu> sebsebseb ( ;-) just cos you forgot for a moment): Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:39] <sebsebseb> altough actsaully  had some other minor issues with Gutsy,  but hey it's Alpha so yeah
[10:39] <ompaul> sebsebseb, did you check lp for similar reports?
[10:40] <sebsebseb> no
[10:40] <sebsebseb> what's lp?
[10:40] <ompaul> sebsebseb, it is a little beyond alpha it is in heavy beta afics, about 40 days left
[10:40] <ompaul> launchpad.net
[10:40] <sebsebseb> ah yes launchpad
[10:40] <sebsebseb> and yes other people have had problems with sound in Gutsy
[10:40] <sebsebseb> it seems
[10:40] <ompaul> so confirm it
[10:40] <ompaul> and see how it gos
[10:40] <sebsebseb> after searching Google
[10:40] <sebsebseb> confirm it???????
[10:41] <ompaul> get onto launchpad.net, get an account, confirm a report of the bug, you may add more weight and information that would be useful
[10:41] <sebsebseb> I have a lp account since I ordered free Ubuntu CD's before
[10:42] <sebsebseb> minor issues?  before,  yeah when sound worked,  no log in and exit account sounds?  why don't know.  altough that's ok I can live with that,  but  having no sound at all working,  that sucks
[10:43] <sebsebseb> also  slow to log into the account always has been since I got Gutsy
[10:44] <sebsebseb> any of you had issues like this?
[10:44] <kousotu> sebsebseb: my login takes a moment
[10:44] <kousotu> but not enough to bother me
[10:44] <sebsebseb> your log in is slow also
[10:45] <sebsebseb> ok
[10:45] <sebsebseb> so that's some bug then?
[10:45] <kousotu> faster than my XP though lol
[10:45] <sebsebseb> Vista runs better on this computer a lot better than Gutsy
[10:45] <sebsebseb> Vista Home Premium
[10:45] <sebsebseb> this is quite a new computer,  Gutsy shoudn't be running like a shit on it,  unless there are good enough reasons  such as bugs that yeah
[10:46] <kousotu> I have XP home
[10:46] <kousotu> I HAD Vista Basic
[10:46] <kousotu> I hat vista, put XP on it
[10:46] <kousotu> hate*
[10:46] <sebsebseb> I am on Vista now,  I been well removing the latest kernel trying to get the previous one working and what not
[10:46] <sebsebseb> with X and sound
[10:46] <sebsebseb> then  when I installed the nividia-glx again of course that was for the latest kernel
[10:46] <kousotu> I know the sound issue well
[10:47] <sebsebseb> and so it installed the latest kernel stuff again
[10:47] <sebsebseb> and this time round,  either the latest kernel was loading up a lot slower, or  I just got in patient and thought bugger it
[10:47] <sebsebseb> i'll
[10:47] <sebsebseb> go to IRC in Vista
[10:48] <xbisont> how can i get the tty4 output into a file, during the Gutsy Tribe5 installation process?
[10:48] <sebsebseb> you know the sound issue well?
[10:48] <sebsebseb> so you could probably help me fix?
[10:49] <kousotu> yep
[10:49] <kousotu> easy enough
[10:49] <kousotu> turn up sorround
[10:49] <scizzo-> sebsebseb: you are complaining about vista being better then ubuntu in a ubuntu channel?
[10:49] <sebsebseb> altough  being in Vista when you tell me what to do means I carn't really do the changes,  however  I could save to the Fat32 and boot up Gutsy and access the file
[10:49] <kousotu> for some reasong the new keral wants itto be sorrund sound
[10:49] <sebsebseb> scizzo:  lol Vista is not bugger than Ubuntu
[10:49] <sebsebseb> it sucks really
[10:49] <sebsebseb> ,but
[10:50] <sebsebseb> well it's alright
[10:50] <kousotu> lol
[10:50] <sebsebseb> ,but at least Vista works nicely on this comp for Vista
[10:50] <sebsebseb> ,but  gutsy well dosan't problems issues blah blah
[10:50] <kousotu> scizzo-: you know the Vista "flip 3d" thing?
[10:50] <sebsebseb> ok it's beta now you say
[10:50] <sebsebseb> ,but  having no working sound,  makes me hate any OS
[10:50] <sebsebseb> dislike in the case of Ubuntu
[10:50] <sebsebseb> gutsy
[10:51] <kousotu> sebsebseb: vista components are cray in Ubuntu
[10:51] <sebsebseb> yes it's a bit frustrating having issues to deal with,  but
[10:51] <sebsebseb> it's a good learning thing to
[10:51] <kousotu> trust me, I had alot of work to do
[10:51] <sebsebseb> well as long as the problem gets fixed
[10:51] <sebsebseb> that's the nice thing about Linux really,  you  get to learn more about how computers work.  if doing something more advanced or having problems.  but yes  if this is the case  Linux needs time
[10:51] <kousotu> open he sound manager (bouble click the iconon top right
[10:51] <sebsebseb> Linux distros I should say
[10:51] <scizzo-> kousotu: nope....never cared about vista
[10:52] <kousotu> scizzo-: so you don't even know what it is?
[10:52] <scizzo-> kousotu: nope
[10:52] <sebsebseb> if I was in gutsy now,  I could do what you tell me
[10:52] <sebsebseb> ,but  I am not so hummmmmmm
[10:52] <kousotu> sebsebseb: why aren't you?
[10:52] <scizzo-> kousotu: I have watched vista stuff....but never really caught my eye
[10:52] <kousotu> lol
[10:53] <sebsebseb> I put above
[10:53] <kousotu> scizzo-: sec
[10:53] <sebsebseb> i'll  see if this latest kernel will boot  again :)
[10:53] <sebsebseb> and if so
[10:53] <sebsebseb> i'll be here soon
[10:53] <kousotu> sebsebseb: repost please, I don't really want to read alot
[10:53] <sebsebseb> in  gutsy
[10:54] <sebsebseb> I am in Vista,  since  I got fed up with the gutsy bull shit,  and thought bugger it I can go to IRC in Vista
[10:54] <sebsebseb> basically
[10:54] <sebsebseb> ok re boot time
[10:54] <stdin> sebsebseb: I'd think you know about the language rules by now
[10:55] <sebsebseb> language rules
[10:55] <sebsebseb> why does this channel not just have a filter
[10:55] <sebsebseb> if people care so much
[10:55] <hydrogen> server-side filtering is messy buisness
[10:55] <hydrogen> for one
[10:55] <kousotu> sebsebseb: can't do that overirc
[10:55] <hydrogen> and for two
[10:55] <hydrogen> filters don't change the inttent
[10:55] <ompaul> people do
[10:56] <kousotu> hydrogen: wel said
[10:56] <hydrogen> then again
[10:56] <hydrogen> words don't either
[10:56] <hydrogen> so meh
[10:56] <sebsebseb> showing frustration with a computer by a bit of swearing,  isan't that bad.  swearing at a load of people in IRC is  not that nice on the other hand
[10:56] <ompaul> !ohmy
[10:56] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:56] <hydrogen> though
[10:56] <ompaul> that is there for a reason
[10:56] <scizzo-> sebsebseb: if you arent happy with it then install feisty and use the supported channels
[10:56] <sebsebseb> I am ok with it
[10:56] <scizzo-> sebsebseb: you just aswell as everyone else can read the topic and have respect
[10:57] <sebsebseb> it's a learning thing
[10:57] <hydrogen> we could get into a nice (off topic) debate over why language that is perfectly fine for one group/situation is inappropriate for another
[10:57] <sebsebseb> having these problems
[10:57] <sebsebseb> ,but untill I upgraded to the latest kernel it was only minor problems
[10:57] <sebsebseb> now for me I got a big problem,  sound not working at all
[10:57] <ompaul> hydrogen, we could then someone would say "you're offtopic" and we would have that debate :)
[10:57] <kousotu> scizzo-: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ <about the 1st minute, youcan skip about 50 secs
[10:57] <sebsebseb> at least sound works in Vista :d
[10:58] <sebsebseb> I  actsaully had a hardware issue with sound in Vista and Ubuntu in the past or something like that,  a bit weird really.  used to w
[10:58] <PriceChild> !offtopic | sebsebseb
[10:58] <ubotu> sebsebseb: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:58] <sebsebseb> work in both,  then in just Ubuntu or Vista for a while,  then I got working in both again.  blah blah yes off topic.  anyway re boot back to Gutsy,  and hopefully someone will be able to help me with my sound problem :)
[10:59] <scizzo-> jesus
[11:00] <kousotu> scizzo-: ??
[11:02] <scizzo-> kousotu: take that question in ubuntu-effects mate
[11:10] <PreZGN> Which version of xorg is slated for GG?
[11:45] <mdke> how is gutsy looking nowadays? I'm interested in upgrading but cautious of repercussions if I break the computer for my wife, who needs basic things for work
[11:47] <scizzo-> mdke: its still in development....I guess
[11:50] <scizzo-> mdke: so if you are uncertain then maybe you should wait a bit longer?
[11:51] <mdke> scizzo-: there are different stages of development with different risks; and the reason I'm uncertain is I don't know what stage it's in: hence the question
[11:51] <Vorbote> Is openoffice.org base working for anybody with the default gcj install? Mine is not finding the installed jvm.
[11:51] <mdke> hopefully people in here are using it so can give some hint of their experiences
[11:52] <scizzo-> mdke: well considering its in development.....then I would say.....unstable and no promises can be made
[11:53] <mdke> scizzo-: you'll see in my question I didn't ask for any promises
[11:54] <mdke> gutsy is going to be unstable until the day before release...
[11:58] <sebsebseb> I carn't enable the Nivida driver in  Gutsy.  I am on the Feisty live CD at the moment.  sudo nvidia-glx-config enable  Error:  /etc/X11/xorg.conf or  /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum are missing from your system.  Please be sure that your xserver package is installed correctly.  I assume I got to add the missing file from some where to my Gutsy install,  by mounting it and making it so I can...
[11:58] <sebsebseb> ...write to it.  carn't remember how to do that either
[11:58] <sebsebseb> and where to get the missing file?
[12:02] <sparr> almost done with dist-upgrade to gutsy
[12:02] <sparr> fingers crossed that this can resolve my mixed-repository problems
[12:02] <sebsebseb> you might end up with problems
[12:02] <sebsebseb> like I did
[12:03] <sebsebseb> only minor stuff, untill  my sound completly stopped working
[12:03] <pvandewyngaerde> KDE4 beta 2 allsready in packages ?
[12:03] <sebsebseb> and now well I carn't even  get x working
[12:03] <sebsebseb> or  the nivida driver
[12:03] <sebsebseb> or whatever
[12:03] <sebsebseb> missing file
[12:03] <sebsebseb> I carn't enable the Nivida driver in Gutsy. I am on the Feisty live CD at the moment. sudo nvidia-glx-config enable Error: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum are missing from your system. Please be sure that your xserver package is installed correctly.
[12:04] <sebsebseb> I assume I got to add the missing file from some where to my Gutsy install, by mounting it and making it so I can write to it. carn't remember how to do that either
[12:04] <sebsebseb> and where to get the missing file?
[12:05] <pvandewyngaerde> sebsebseb: do you have nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new ?
[12:05] <sebsebseb> same message came up for both of them
[12:05] <sebsebseb> when I tryed to enable
[12:06] <sebsebseb> last one I tryed to enable was glx new
[12:06] <sebsebseb> and  now  when I log in with latest kernel
[12:06] <sebsebseb> I get sent back to Gnome after a bit of clicking
[12:06] <RAOF> sebsebseb: You should be able to run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to regenerate your xorg.conf file.
[12:06] <sebsebseb> since nothing will load up
[12:07] <sebsebseb> I am on Fesity Live CD,  carn't remember how to mount the gutsy install
[12:07] <sebsebseb> then I can run that command
[12:07] <sebsebseb> or  I could just get out of this CD and into recovery mode
[12:08] <sebsebseb> when I had the latest kernel working X worked yes
[12:08] <sebsebseb> ,but soud didn't
[12:08] <sebsebseb> sound
[12:08] <brmassa> guys, Im getting error when i try to access a FAT partition. why?
[12:08] <sebsebseb> as for the previous kernel when having the latest installed,  that one didn't like the nivida driver I had installed, because it was for the latest kernel or something
[12:09] <sebsebseb> I don't really care to much about which kernel I use,  as long as X and sound works :)
[12:09] <sebsebseb> brmassa:  it would help to put which error your getting
[12:09] <brmassa> hal-storage-fixed-mount resufed uid 1000
[12:09] <brmassa> thanks in advance
[12:10] <sebsebseb> no  I carn't help you,  but someone else might
[12:10] <sebsebseb> or maybe I can a little bit
[12:10] <sebsebseb> hal  hardware astraction layour
[12:10] <sebsebseb> by the sounds of it,  it tryed to fix moutning the partition
[12:10] <brmassa> i installed windows after ubuntu and restored grub, if it might help
[12:11] <sebsebseb> you should be able to access your Fat32 from both OS's
[12:11] <sebsebseb> then
[12:11] <sebsebseb> and save to it
[12:11] <sebsebseb> or maybe you got to make it so Linux can write to it,  I set up a Fat32 a while ago
[12:13] <brmassa_> ops.
[12:13] <brmassa_>  i always accessed my FAT partitions. but on gutsy, it complains!
[12:14] <sebsebseb> why do you want a Fat32 anyway?
[12:15] <brmassa_> for windows!
[12:15] <sebsebseb> whcih version?
[12:15] <brmassa_> im porting a linux app to windows.
[12:15] <brmassa_> xp
[12:15] <sebsebseb> you could run that in a virtual machine inside Linux :)  which is more cool
[12:15] <sebsebseb> and XP uses NTFS
[12:15] <sebsebseb> normalley
[12:16] <brmassa_> my pc is not that powerful. so i need to reboot all time
[12:16] <sebsebseb> and why da hell  would you want to port a Linux app to Windows :d
[12:16] <sebsebseb> and which app?
[12:16] <brmassa_> but to communicate with both, i use fat for windows
[12:16] <sebsebseb> porting Linux apps to Windows hummmmmmmm it should be the other way around a lot :)  Windows apps such as Photoshop being ported to Linux
[12:16] <sebsebseb> ,but no
[12:16] <sebsebseb> and real computer games
[12:16] <sebsebseb> that have been brought on a CD
[12:17] <sebsebseb> or pirated from net :d
[12:18] <sebsebseb> maybe they can help you in the WIndows channel :d
[12:19] <sebsebseb> got my own problems with Gutsy to fix
[12:20] <sebsebseb> so if your still here bye and if your lucky someone will be able to help you with your problem
[12:20] <sebsebseb> and this channel seems to be dead again
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[12:23] <Tm_T> sebsebseb: stop
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[12:24] <hydrogen> tm_t--
[12:24] <Tm_T> hydrogen: thanks sir
[12:26] <blizzow> will the current Opera package available off opera.com for feisty work under gutsy?
[12:26] <hydrogen> the static one will..
[12:26] <hydrogen> and I think the dynamic one
[12:26] <hydrogen> I'v estill got it installed
[12:27] <hydrogen> from before I upgraded to gutsy
[12:27] <hydrogen>   Installed: 9.23-20070809.6feisty1
[12:27] <blizzow> cool, thanks hydrogen
[12:31] <[GuS] >  guys... now in latest Tribe Dolphin is the default file browseR?
[12:31] <[GuS] >  how do i change again to konqueror?
[12:31] <[GuS] > (Kubuntu)
[12:33] <squee> I just installed Tribe 5, and while trying to upgrade it i'm getting errors with hal.  "Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused" right after "*reloading system message bus config".  Anyone have any ideas?
[12:44] <squee> I just installed Tribe 5, and while trying to upgrade it i'm getting errors with hal.  "Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused" right after "*reloading system message bus config".  Anyone have any ideas?
[12:46] <vader1102> squee, I have no clue what to tell you, but they will need say a message from /var/log/messages or something. Help them with the troubleshooting
[12:48] <lupin> Hi I am on Tribe 5 of Gutsy and tried to install nvidia-glx-new via restrictied manager and when I restarted X failed to start and the error read something like missing libwfm
[12:48] <squee> vader1102:  /var/log/messages contains 2 lines that aren't relevant. dbus is not starting and seems to be the problem
[12:48] <crdlb> ah great ><
[12:49] <crdlb> lupin, libwfb is a part of the nvidia driver required for 8000 series cards
[12:49] <crdlb> ubuntu "forgot" it in nvidia-glx-new
[12:49] <crdlb> I can't believe it's still not fixed...
[12:49] <vader1102> squee, i would ask then if they know a work around
[12:49] <lupin> so how would I go about rectifying this issue?
[12:49] <crdlb> lemme check launchpad
[12:50] <lupin> I would of looked around online but I decided to take this as a chance to get more acquainted with terminal so I decided to install irssi and pop in here for help
[12:52] <crdlb> lupin, there's a workaround here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/98641/comments/70
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[nvidia-glx-new]  Driver is missing libwfb breaking X on 8000 series cards" [High,Confirmed] 
[12:52] <sparr> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kaddressbook_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070904-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[12:52] <sparr>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kontact/kaddressbookplugin.desktop', which is also in package kontact
[12:52] <sparr> confirm?
[12:52] <crdlb> lupin, just switch to the nv driver to get X working
[12:53] <lupin> kk could you do me a favor and email that link to me at jacobtapp@gmail.com so I can open it when I get X back up?
[12:54] <crdlb> erm sure
[12:54] <lupin> ty
[01:01] <sam1338> bug 130325 is soooooooooo annoying :(
[01:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx-new]  glxgears, 3d apps crash X when using compiz-fusion (gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130325