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beunojenda, ping02:56
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juliuxmorning09:18
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juliuxhi gerr2 11:57
gerr2morning11:57
popeyhey-ho12:02
juliuxgerr2, i am not sure if i can attend the meeting today12:03
juliuxgerr2, i will try it but i cann't promise it12:03
jendahey, juliux, gerr212:33
juliuxhi jenda 12:33
jendaSorry for not being around, I have an important exam in 6 days12:34
juliuxjenda, if (learned) have fun; else good luck ;)12:39
jenda:D12:41
jendaaye aye12:41
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popeyooo it's today isn't it?01:33
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-marketing: Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Keep in mind that whatever your LoCo does, any other LoCo can benefit from your work or experience! | Please sign up to the mailing list, ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com | Beuno is doing UWN | UWN #55 is out! UWN #56 is in progress to be released Sunday September 9th
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gerr2ahem, is anyone showing up? 02:55
juliuxgerr2, i hope but i can't promise , depends how long team meeting is here, it starts at 17:30 UTC+202:57
popeyi will be02:57
popeywell, should be02:57
popey5pm UK Time yes? I suggested to J'oho! that he should attend after his messages about parties02:58
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poningru_when is the meeting?05:17
elkbuntuabout 10-15 mins i guess05:18
poningru_sweet05:23
juliuxi think in 40min05:24
juliuxat 16:00UTC05:24
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beunosorry  :/05:42
beunoI'll be back in 2 hours aprox., I'll read the backlog05:42
popeymoo06:02
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katkin_Hi guys, Show of hands - who's here for the meeting?06:03
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elkbuntujuliux, poningru 06:03
katkin_Does everyone have access to the agenda?06:04
katkin_It was in the mail that Gerry sent out06:04
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elkbuntui do, but i think we ought to wait for others to arrive first06:06
juliuxsorry we ahve still team meeting here06:06
gerr2ok can anyone attending please announce themselves as attending the meeting? 06:06
popeyyo06:06
gerr2what's a quorum? i see 3 so far  - elkbuntu, popningru, popey, 06:07
popeyi have pasted the agenda you sent to the list here:- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meeting06:07
popeynot sure we need to be quorate do we?06:07
gerr2well are many more likely to join I am wondering? 06:08
Vorian*raises hand06:08
gerr2ok well let's start - can someone record these so if someone if interested they can read them? 06:10
gerr2what canonical are doing 06:10
gerr2we are going to get a countdown button and make it available to anyone that wants it to include on their sites and blogs 06:11
gerr2this will countdown from Beta which is slated for 27th october to release so about 21 days 06:11
elkbuntuso it will just count down the days?06:12
gerr2the image will be on our server so the piece of code will point it and stay updated each day06:12
popey27 oct!? you sure about that?06:12
gerr2september 06:12
popeyrelease is 19th oct isn't it?06:12
popeyphew06:12
gerr2elkbuntu: what else might it count down06:13
popeywould be nice if it was an HH:MM:SS countdown06:13
Vorian+106:13
popeythen changes to a link to ubuntu.com/download when it gets to 00:00:00 :)06:13
poningru_yarr06:13
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popeypretty simple to do in javascript06:13
elkbuntupopey, it's rather hard for that, since the time of release isnt exactly strictly set, afaik06:13
poningru_for the meeting06:13
popeyelkbuntu: good point06:13
gerr2popey: that would kind of rely on us knowing the exact second of launch 06:14
popeymaybe it should be :)06:14
elkbuntuand trust me, we dont want hoards descending wanting something that we cant offer...06:14
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popeyok, so days only06:14
gerr2dissemination though is my concern 06:14
gerr2we can announce it here, put it ubuntu.com,mark's blog all that good stuff but anything else we ought to do? 06:15
elkbuntuwell, once it hits planet, it should go like wildfire06:16
elkbuntubut poking forums people might help06:16
gerr2elkbuntu: yeah, i think it might take care of itself 06:17
gerr2but all helps 06:17
elkbuntuyeah, the planet is a very powerful tool06:17
gerr2it's going to be designed, fyi, but our fancy new creative agency06:17
gerr2good test for them 06:17
elkbuntuso long as it isnt in comic sans, i'll be happy no matter how it looks :06:18
gerr2katkin_: include that in the brief - NO COMIC SANS06:18
popeyand it should be nice and easy to embed06:18
gerr2videos06:19
katkin_gerr2: will do :)06:19
gerr2there are two vids we have in mind06:19
elkbuntugerr2, any design agency that even thinks about using comic sans ought to be given marching orders :)06:19
gerr2one is a groovy 90 second trip through fiesty06:20
katkin_gutsy06:20
gerr2gutsy sorry06:20
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gerr2the next one06:21
katkin_don't look at me!06:21
gerr2whatever it's called06:21
katkin_we've had a hard day :)06:21
gerr27 something06:21
popey:)06:21
popeyso will this be a real life video or more of a show and tell of the desktop?06:22
popeya "screencast" if you will?06:22
gerr2popey: anyhow  we want to include that on the front page so that people who are not going to download there and then will get a chance to have some experience of it 06:22
popeyexcellent06:22
katkin_I think it will be more of a sexy show and tell06:22
popeyexcellent06:22
gerr2again - like all our wok this is might distributable and for all to include where they might find useful 06:23
gerr2video the second 06:23
gerr2have you all seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseParties?highlight=%28parties%2906:23
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gerr2jono - put this up there  - anything that can be done to make this page well known the better 06:24
popeyit's a tricky one that06:24
elkbuntuhe doesnt appear to be here...06:25
popeypeople all looking around at eachother "who's going to organise that then"06:25
popeyhe was in a call when i suggested he be here elkbuntu 06:25
popeygerr2: i suspect people are talking about events in their teams but not updating that page06:25
elkbuntuis he surgically attached to phones or something?06:25
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jonoschnoogins :)06:26
elkbuntuwell there's not a whole lot of a point to advertising something you dont have a venue for06:26
elkbuntuwhich is probably the reason why there arent many confirmed06:26
popeyindeed06:27
gerr2elkbuntu: agreed  - i think it is early but i would hate for people to be organising it and not availing of Jono's wonderful page. 06:28
poningru_gerr2, I say we use a better app06:28
poningru_like the firefox party app06:28
poningru_they released that under mpl06:28
poningru_my friend ryan did that one06:28
gerr2***gerry was silent for a moment as he was editing that page 06:28
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jonowhats the discussion?06:28
popeywe could also use tools like upcoming.org and meetup ?06:28
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elkbuntujono, release parties06:29
gerr2as you can see we wold like people to send us video or photos of their parties and we will splice it together in a video for all to share06:29
poningru_http://www.firefoxparty.com/06:29
popeyiirc sabdfl was at a meetup event in april to pimp the feisty release wasnt he?06:29
poningru_take a look at that06:29
poningru_I would like to use that web app for it06:29
popeyponingru_: that looks cool!06:30
jonocan I encourage everyone to raise the profile of the release parties pages I wrote06:30
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gerr2***gerry looks at jono06:31
elkbuntuhaha06:31
jonogerr2: did I do something wrong?06:31
poningru_I say we do that06:32
poningru_though I cant host it on my home dsl06:32
poningru_I can administer it though06:32
popeyponingru_: I'd gladly host it06:32
gerr2jono: can we use that app - would it help? 06:32
gerr2the wiki seems to work ok for me? 06:32
popeyit's all web two point oh-y though06:33
popeyrather than a stuffy old wiki ;)06:33
jonowhy do we need an app?06:33
gerr2jono: because it exists06:33
popeywe don't _need_ an app06:33
jonoteams are welcome to use whatever they like to organise parties, but I think we just need a page listing the parties06:33
popeyhow do we encourage people to organise parties?06:33
popeywhich I think is the key issue06:34
elkbuntuit would add an extra dimension to the parties scene. while we may not see a point, it might excite others greatly06:34
popeygetting people to actually get off their arses and organise one06:34
popeyelkbuntu +106:34
jonosorry folks I need to run to a meeting now06:34
jonogetting people off their arses to organise parties is something not solved with an app - that needs advocacy, blogging, positive reports of other planning etc06:35
elkbuntujono, the point is that every little bit helps06:35
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Davieyeloo06:35
popeyDaviey: i saw uk loco were talking about a party for gutsy06:36
gerr2ok - guys there is possibly another meeting about launch party participation 06:36
popeyis that the case?06:36
Davieypopey: yes06:36
popeygerr2: indeed, and I would schedule it to happen in #ubuntu-meeting, and promote it on the fridge06:36
gerr2but i need to move on to next topic06:36
popeyrather than just on the marketing mailing list06:36
jonoI say we suggest people can use organisation apps if they want for their own organisation, but not to suggest it as part of the process of running a party06:36
elkbuntugerr2, i think there'll need to be, and find some way of tying the community manager to attending would be good06:36
Davieypopey: But there is a big disagreement on where it should be ... Brum or London06:36
popeyDaviey: have two06:36
elkbuntubah, i was trying to not highlight you, and you're still here!06:36
Davieypopey: but i live equadistance between the two!06:37
popeyflip a coin06:37
popeyI will pay for beer for you!06:37
popeyto attend the one I am not at :)06:37
elkbuntulol06:37
Daviey$%^&^*06:37
gerr2London and I can go06:37
jonotying the community manager?06:37
elkbuntusuch nice friends06:37
jonobiab06:37
elkbuntujono, so you dont run off to other meetings :)06:37
jonoelkbuntu:  :)06:38
DavieyHow can i make an offical complaint against a ubuntu member being offensive?06:38
jonoI never knew about this meeting btw06:38
popey\o/06:38
elkbuntumakes talking to you a tad difficult06:38
gerr2[ACTION]  tie up jono06:38
jonowell, it wasnt on my calendar06:38
jonohehe06:38
popeygerr2: shall we schedule a meeting and pimp it greatly?06:38
elkbuntuwhich is somewhat part of the solution06:38
popeyspecifically about this subject?06:38
gerr2right -  does anyone care about what we are doing to prevent the website crashing?06:38
Davieyfridge website?06:38
popeyyou cloned elmo?06:39
popey*shudder*06:39
elkbuntupopey, you are a horrible horrible man06:39
elkbuntuyou even *thought* that06:39
poningru_lol06:39
gerr2is it sufficient to say it won't crash? 06:39
popeyi just pictured the cover of Being John Malkovich with lots of elmos06:39
elkbuntugerr2, depends, is that in the tone of the titanic?06:40
popeygerr2: I wouldn't publicise it to be honest06:41
popeybecause if it did, the digg and /. crowd would rain down on you from on high06:41
elkbuntuyeah. last thing you want to do is ... challenge people06:41
gerr2elkbuntu: very good point - next topic 06:41
gerr2press releases for the launch. We can make these available for localisation but I note we are all anglophone on this list so maybe not appropriate06:42
popeycontact the loco list?06:43
gerr2***gerry realises he has no idea where poningru is from06:43
gerr2popey: that's what I will do06:43
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gerr2really? i'm too old for this IM stuff 06:44
DavieyIM!06:44
popeyheh06:44
gerr2IRC06:44
popeywas all fields round here you know06:45
elkbuntuthe problem with the loco list is that some on there may not be entirely trustworthy enough for the task of keeping to an embargo06:45
Davieybaa06:45
Daviey'embargo'?06:45
gerr2elkbuntu: i don't think we would give it to them under embargo 06:46
elkbuntuah, right. i misunderstood then06:46
gerr2right - so anyone on the list got plans for launch? 06:46
elkbuntuDaviey, the 'please dont send this out/pass this on, until $DATE'06:46
Davieyelkbuntu: What would be the problem if it got leaked?06:47
DavieySurely the more exposure it gets, the better?06:47
popeyDaviey: less impact06:47
elkbuntuim not in an ideal place for any decent sort of launch function, unfortunately06:47
popeydribble vs splash06:47
popeygerr2: I'd like to see a party in london, if the ubuntu-uk guys sort one in brum, I'd gladly help sort one in London06:47
elkbuntuDaviey, people coming in 6 hrs before the ISO is released, demanding it because some site said it was out06:47
elkbuntuin HOARDS06:47
popeythat will happen anyway06:47
DavieyThat _always_ happens06:48
popeybut yes, we dont want to encourage it06:48
gerr2Daviey: the problem is hat we ask journalists to respect the embargo so we have time to brief them. if they hold off on the stories and it is then on someone's blog they are not very happy06:48
elkbuntuof course it does. the sotry always breaks embargo06:48
elkbuntugerr2, embargo isnt really worth a whole lot, no06:48
=== Daviey would like to see the community press release made on either the wiki or gobby
popeythere is nothing stopping the community making a press release06:49
popeysurely?06:49
popeybut is gerr2 not talking about a canonical press release?06:49
elkbuntuyes06:49
gerr2popey: gerr2 is or /me is 06:49
DavieyShould a canonical press release concern the loco ML?06:49
elkbuntuDaviey, to have it translated, sure06:50
gerr2elkbuntu: exactly06:50
Davieyelkbuntu: why not use the LP transalters?06:50
Davieysalters eh?06:50
elkbuntuDaviey, because there'd be absolutely zero embargo with that06:50
DavieyI mean.. contact experienced translaters individually and ask them to do it06:51
gerr2Daviey: there is nothing to prevent a community announcement except not sure who could agree that it reflects the wide opinion of the community06:51
popeytrue06:51
Davieygerr2: wiki snapshot ftw ;)06:51
gerr2Daviey: what? 06:52
Davieysorry.. If it is written on the wiki - and copied on a certain date.. It _may_ reflect more peoples opinions06:52
gerr2Daviey: i am staying well clear of it06:52
DavieyIs there an agenda for this meeting?06:53
gerr2popey: apart from having a party in london I mean are there other activities that the community would do/has done around launch where we could help or encourage? 06:54
popeyahhh06:54
popeyDaviey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meeting06:54
popeygerr2: tricky one06:55
Davieya community photo competition.. been tried before i know - but with more 'exposure' (`scuse the phun)06:55
popeypersonally I'm doing my bit ;) - the screencasts are designed to lead up to launch06:55
popeyunfortunately I'm not a marketeer so I'm probably not the best one to ask about how best to market the product in the community06:56
elkbuntucommunity photo things are great for people who will have parties near them. should we not think about some other way those more remote can contribute to the spirit, rather than sit back and watch everyone else having the fun?06:56
Davieyelkbuntu: any suggestions?06:57
elkbuntuDaviey, i was hoping to get some from you guys06:58
katkin_we could ask people to send us photos of the most interesting places that they are downloading gutsy06:58
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gerr2elkbuntu: the most remote? the highest? the driest? the wettest? 06:58
katkin_or in the loo?06:58
popeyyeah, categories tham06:59
katkin_thats a good idea06:59
popeycompetitions..06:59
katkin_maybe not wettest though06:59
popeyfree stuff!06:59
Davieysabdfl will no doubt go back to space to win the competition06:59
katkin_wouldn't want people electrocuting themselves06:59
gerr2the meeting rooms in canonical towers are named after the most extreme places on earth so there is a link06:59
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popey"Extreme Ubuntu!"07:00
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popeyDude!07:00
gerr2Daviey: we'll ban him 07:00
katkin_A prize for the gutsiest place someone downloads gutsy07:00
gerr2Extreme Ubuntu! like it 07:00
popeyooooo 07:00
popeyHow Gutsy are you!07:00
popeynaked gutsy07:01
popey*shudder*07:01
katkin_A prize for someone who downloads gutsy with a real gibbon next to them07:01
katkin_urgh - naked gutsy?!07:01
elkbuntulol07:01
Davieykatkin_: that's too winnable07:01
katkin_Daviey: really?07:01
popeyyeah, anyone in my office would fulfil that role07:01
elkbuntua photo of a gibbon downloading gutsy?07:01
Davieykatkin_: i live 20 mins from the zoo with gibbons07:01
katkin_Daviey: how many people do you know who have access to a real gibbon?07:01
elkbuntuthat would require training the beast ;)07:01
katkin_Daviey: ah07:01
katkin_Daviey: fair enough07:02
popeyelkbuntu: Daviey doesn't need training07:02
popeyhe can pretty much flush on his own now07:02
Daviey*wrong*07:02
Davieyand i leave the seat up \o/07:03
elkbuntuowww.. my ribs hurt07:03
popeyi do like the gutsyest download07:04
Davieyme 207:05
katkin_cool07:05
Daviey"Have you got the Gut's do download it?"07:05
Davieys/do/to07:06
katkin_I'm earning my creative marketing pennies then :)07:06
elkbuntuum.. that's hardly a positive enforcement there07:06
katkin_not sure what will happen when Hardy Heron launches . . . . . .07:06
popeywonder how many people would class "sitting outside my neighbours house stealing his wifi" as gutsy07:06
elkbuntuwe want downloading to seem easy and friendly, not scary and nervewracking07:06
Davieypopey: That's your everyday net connection, is it not?07:06
katkin_popey: some I'm sure07:07
DavieyDoes a 'difficult' download show that it's worth DL'ing?07:07
gerr2Extreme Ubuntu gives us lots of winners07:07
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poningru_sorry guys at work07:07
gerr2driest highest lowest wierdest07:07
poningru_so coming in and out07:07
popeyyeah07:07
katkin_gutsyest07:08
popeybe nice if there was a site we could have people upload their pics too07:08
popeyand tag them 07:08
popey"fast" "high" etc07:08
katkin_we could offer vouchers for the store as prizes07:08
katkin_unless you guys have other ideas?07:08
popeyooooo.. nice idea07:08
gerr2and pay the shipping:)07:08
popeythat would go down well :)07:08
katkin_:D07:08
elkbuntuyep07:09
gerr2I suggest we devise 8 categories and 2 wild cards07:09
popeyshould we setup a little site where people can upload their pics07:09
popeysome people wont want to put them on flickr etc07:09
elkbuntukatkin_, also remember that nearly any item with Mark's signature on it will attract interest07:09
popeyheh, or anything mark has breathed near07:10
katkin_elkbuntu: noted07:10
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popeynow here's a tricky problem07:11
popeyif we want them to photo themselves downloading...07:11
katkin_elkbuntu: I'll see if I can get him to sign, lick or rub some merchandise07:11
popeythe photos wont be available until after the release07:11
katkin_that's ok07:11
gerr2ok  - I am going to put up a wiki page linked off launch parties 07:11
popeyso you'd need to announce this on the day of release07:11
elkbuntukatkin_, if it involves licking, we want photos to laugh at07:11
katkin_or before so people can start preparing?07:11
popeyyeah, true07:12
gerr2popey: not at all. we want people to start thinking about it. 07:12
popeywould be nice if it was a separate site, with picture upload, tagging and commenting07:12
katkin_i agree07:12
katkin_it should be separate to the launch parties section07:12
popeyhowgutsyareyou.com or something07:12
gerr2popey: for the moment i am going to put up a wiki where us marketing (ie. me kat and al on the list) can sort out some details07:13
popeycool07:13
gerr2that is all on the list  - not al specifically07:13
gerr2i gots to run. i think extreme ubuntu might come off;07:14
katkin_me too07:14
elkbuntuso long as it does better than that poor effort LUGradio did...07:14
katkin_thanks very much for coming veryone07:14
elkbuntukatkin_, no problem07:15
katkin_it would be great if we could all have a meeting every month :)07:15
katkin_it's great getting your input07:15
katkin_Have a great day/evening (depending on where you are)07:15
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popeyi would recommend you schedule the meeting now07:16
elkbuntulol07:16
popeymany teams schedule their next meeting at the end of the last one07:16
popeybum07:16
DavieyPhoto's could be of the RC?07:18
Davieywonder what the community manager thinks of all this?07:19
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poningru_hey08:18
poningru_so what happened08:18
poningru_OMG08:19
poningru_http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/08:19
tristanbobponingru: wow - that is TERRIFIC if true08:30
gerr2tristanbob: it's true08:31
tristanbobso they are creating new drivers from scratch (because of licensing?)08:33
gerr2tristanbob: i just realised that the release is not official yet or at least I have not seen it publically so I can't talk about it 08:36
tristanbobgerr2: are you saying you have more info, but can't talk until it is publicly announced?08:37
poningru_oh man I wonder when it becomes public08:40
poningru_gerr2, when is the hold till?08:41
juliuxgerr2, sorry that i missed the meeting08:43
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gerr2g'night all 09:08
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