[02:56] <beuno> jenda, ping
[07:59] <jenda> beuno: pong
[09:18] <juliux> morning
[11:57] <juliux> hi gerr2 
[11:57] <gerr2> morning
[12:02] <popey> hey-ho
[12:03] <juliux> gerr2, i am not sure if i can attend the meeting today
[12:03] <juliux> gerr2, i will try it but i cann't promise it
[12:33] <jenda> hey, juliux, gerr2
[12:33] <juliux> hi jenda 
[12:34] <jenda> Sorry for not being around, I have an important exam in 6 days
[12:39] <juliux> jenda, if (learned) have fun; else good luck ;)
[12:41] <jenda> :D
[12:41] <jenda> aye aye
[01:33] <popey> ooo it's today isn't it?
[02:55] <gerr2> ahem, is anyone showing up? 
[02:57] <juliux> gerr2, i hope but i can't promise , depends how long team meeting is here, it starts at 17:30 UTC+2
[02:57] <popey> i will be
[02:57] <popey> well, should be
[02:58] <popey> 5pm UK Time yes? I suggested to J'oho! that he should attend after his messages about parties
[05:17] <poningru_> when is the meeting?
[05:18] <elkbuntu> about 10-15 mins i guess
[05:23] <poningru_> sweet
[05:24] <juliux> i think in 40min
[05:24] <juliux> at 16:00UTC
[05:42] <beuno> sorry  :/
[05:42] <beuno> I'll be back in 2 hours aprox., I'll read the backlog
[06:02] <popey> moo
[06:03] <katkin_> Hi guys, Show of hands - who's here for the meeting?
[06:03] <elkbuntu> juliux, poningru 
[06:04] <katkin_> Does everyone have access to the agenda?
[06:04] <katkin_> It was in the mail that Gerry sent out
[06:06] <elkbuntu> i do, but i think we ought to wait for others to arrive first
[06:06] <juliux> sorry we ahve still team meeting here
[06:06] <gerr2> ok can anyone attending please announce themselves as attending the meeting? 
[06:06] <popey> yo
[06:07] <gerr2> what's a quorum? i see 3 so far  - elkbuntu, popningru, popey, 
[06:07] <popey> i have pasted the agenda you sent to the list here:- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meeting
[06:07] <popey> not sure we need to be quorate do we?
[06:08] <gerr2> well are many more likely to join I am wondering? 
[06:08] <Vorian> *raises hand
[06:10] <gerr2> ok well let's start - can someone record these so if someone if interested they can read them? 
[06:10] <gerr2> what canonical are doing 
[06:11] <gerr2> we are going to get a countdown button and make it available to anyone that wants it to include on their sites and blogs 
[06:11] <gerr2> this will countdown from Beta which is slated for 27th october to release so about 21 days 
[06:12] <elkbuntu> so it will just count down the days?
[06:12] <gerr2> the image will be on our server so the piece of code will point it and stay updated each day
[06:12] <popey> 27 oct!? you sure about that?
[06:12] <gerr2> september 
[06:12] <popey> release is 19th oct isn't it?
[06:12] <popey> phew
[06:13] <gerr2> elkbuntu: what else might it count down
[06:13] <popey> would be nice if it was an HH:MM:SS countdown
[06:13] <Vorian> +1
[06:13] <popey> then changes to a link to ubuntu.com/download when it gets to 00:00:00 :)
[06:13] <poningru_> yarr
[06:13] <popey> pretty simple to do in javascript
[06:13] <elkbuntu> popey, it's rather hard for that, since the time of release isnt exactly strictly set, afaik
[06:13] <poningru_> for the meeting
[06:13] <popey> elkbuntu: good point
[06:14] <gerr2> popey: that would kind of rely on us knowing the exact second of launch 
[06:14] <popey> maybe it should be :)
[06:14] <elkbuntu> and trust me, we dont want hoards descending wanting something that we cant offer...
[06:14] <popey> ok, so days only
[06:14] <gerr2> dissemination though is my concern 
[06:15] <gerr2> we can announce it here, put it ubuntu.com,mark's blog all that good stuff but anything else we ought to do? 
[06:16] <elkbuntu> well, once it hits planet, it should go like wildfire
[06:16] <elkbuntu> but poking forums people might help
[06:17] <gerr2> elkbuntu: yeah, i think it might take care of itself 
[06:17] <gerr2> but all helps 
[06:17] <elkbuntu> yeah, the planet is a very powerful tool
[06:17] <gerr2> it's going to be designed, fyi, but our fancy new creative agency
[06:17] <gerr2> good test for them 
[06:18] <elkbuntu> so long as it isnt in comic sans, i'll be happy no matter how it looks :
[06:18] <gerr2> katkin_: include that in the brief - NO COMIC SANS
[06:18] <popey> and it should be nice and easy to embed
[06:19] <gerr2> videos
[06:19] <katkin_> gerr2: will do :)
[06:19] <gerr2> there are two vids we have in mind
[06:19] <elkbuntu> gerr2, any design agency that even thinks about using comic sans ought to be given marching orders :)
[06:20] <gerr2> one is a groovy 90 second trip through fiesty
[06:20] <katkin_> gutsy
[06:20] <gerr2> gutsy sorry
[06:21] <gerr2> the next one
[06:21] <katkin_> don't look at me!
[06:21] <gerr2> whatever it's called
[06:21] <katkin_> we've had a hard day :)
[06:21] <gerr2> 7 something
[06:21] <popey> :)
[06:22] <popey> so will this be a real life video or more of a show and tell of the desktop?
[06:22] <popey> a "screencast" if you will?
[06:22] <gerr2> popey: anyhow  we want to include that on the front page so that people who are not going to download there and then will get a chance to have some experience of it 
[06:22] <popey> excellent
[06:22] <katkin_> I think it will be more of a sexy show and tell
[06:22] <popey> excellent
[06:23] <gerr2> again - like all our wok this is might distributable and for all to include where they might find useful 
[06:23] <gerr2> video the second 
[06:23] <gerr2> have you all seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseParties?highlight=%28parties%29
[06:24] <gerr2> jono - put this up there  - anything that can be done to make this page well known the better 
[06:24] <popey> it's a tricky one that
[06:25] <elkbuntu> he doesnt appear to be here...
[06:25] <popey> people all looking around at eachother "who's going to organise that then"
[06:25] <popey> he was in a call when i suggested he be here elkbuntu 
[06:25] <popey> gerr2: i suspect people are talking about events in their teams but not updating that page
[06:25] <elkbuntu> is he surgically attached to phones or something?
[06:26] <jono> schnoogins :)
[06:26] <elkbuntu> well there's not a whole lot of a point to advertising something you dont have a venue for
[06:26] <elkbuntu> which is probably the reason why there arent many confirmed
[06:27] <popey> indeed
[06:28] <gerr2> elkbuntu: agreed  - i think it is early but i would hate for people to be organising it and not availing of Jono's wonderful page. 
[06:28] <poningru_> gerr2, I say we use a better app
[06:28] <poningru_> like the firefox party app
[06:28] <poningru_> they released that under mpl
[06:28] <poningru_> my friend ryan did that one
[06:28] <gerr2> ***gerry was silent for a moment as he was editing that page 
[06:28] <jono> whats the discussion?
[06:28] <popey> we could also use tools like upcoming.org and meetup ?
[06:29] <elkbuntu> jono, release parties
[06:29] <gerr2> as you can see we wold like people to send us video or photos of their parties and we will splice it together in a video for all to share
[06:29] <poningru_> http://www.firefoxparty.com/
[06:29] <popey> iirc sabdfl was at a meetup event in april to pimp the feisty release wasnt he?
[06:29] <poningru_> take a look at that
[06:29] <poningru_> I would like to use that web app for it
[06:30] <popey> poningru_: that looks cool!
[06:30] <jono> can I encourage everyone to raise the profile of the release parties pages I wrote
[06:31] <gerr2> ***gerry looks at jono
[06:31] <elkbuntu> haha
[06:31] <jono> gerr2: did I do something wrong?
[06:32] <poningru_> I say we do that
[06:32] <poningru_> though I cant host it on my home dsl
[06:32] <poningru_> I can administer it though
[06:32] <popey> poningru_: I'd gladly host it
[06:32] <gerr2> jono: can we use that app - would it help? 
[06:32] <gerr2> the wiki seems to work ok for me? 
[06:33] <popey> it's all web two point oh-y though
[06:33] <popey> rather than a stuffy old wiki ;)
[06:33] <jono> why do we need an app?
[06:33] <gerr2> jono: because it exists
[06:33] <popey> we don't _need_ an app
[06:33] <jono> teams are welcome to use whatever they like to organise parties, but I think we just need a page listing the parties
[06:33] <popey> how do we encourage people to organise parties?
[06:34] <popey> which I think is the key issue
[06:34] <elkbuntu> it would add an extra dimension to the parties scene. while we may not see a point, it might excite others greatly
[06:34] <popey> getting people to actually get off their arses and organise one
[06:34] <popey> elkbuntu +1
[06:34] <jono> sorry folks I need to run to a meeting now
[06:35] <jono> getting people off their arses to organise parties is something not solved with an app - that needs advocacy, blogging, positive reports of other planning etc
[06:35] <elkbuntu> jono, the point is that every little bit helps
[06:35] <Daviey> eloo
[06:36] <popey> Daviey: i saw uk loco were talking about a party for gutsy
[06:36] <gerr2> ok - guys there is possibly another meeting about launch party participation 
[06:36] <popey> is that the case?
[06:36] <Daviey> popey: yes
[06:36] <popey> gerr2: indeed, and I would schedule it to happen in #ubuntu-meeting, and promote it on the fridge
[06:36] <gerr2> but i need to move on to next topic
[06:36] <popey> rather than just on the marketing mailing list
[06:36] <jono> I say we suggest people can use organisation apps if they want for their own organisation, but not to suggest it as part of the process of running a party
[06:36] <elkbuntu> gerr2, i think there'll need to be, and find some way of tying the community manager to attending would be good
[06:36] <Daviey> popey: But there is a big disagreement on where it should be ... Brum or London
[06:36] <popey> Daviey: have two
[06:36] <elkbuntu> bah, i was trying to not highlight you, and you're still here!
[06:37] <Daviey> popey: but i live equadistance between the two!
[06:37] <popey> flip a coin
[06:37] <popey> I will pay for beer for you!
[06:37] <popey> to attend the one I am not at :)
[06:37] <elkbuntu> lol
[06:37] <Daviey> $%^&^*
[06:37] <gerr2> London and I can go
[06:37] <jono> tying the community manager?
[06:37] <elkbuntu> such nice friends
[06:37] <jono> biab
[06:37] <elkbuntu> jono, so you dont run off to other meetings :)
[06:38] <jono> elkbuntu:  :)
[06:38] <Daviey> How can i make an offical complaint against a ubuntu member being offensive?
[06:38] <jono> I never knew about this meeting btw
[06:38] <popey> \o/
[06:38] <elkbuntu> makes talking to you a tad difficult
[06:38] <gerr2> [ACTION]  tie up jono
[06:38] <jono> well, it wasnt on my calendar
[06:38] <jono> hehe
[06:38] <popey> gerr2: shall we schedule a meeting and pimp it greatly?
[06:38] <elkbuntu> which is somewhat part of the solution
[06:38] <popey> specifically about this subject?
[06:38] <gerr2> right -  does anyone care about what we are doing to prevent the website crashing?
[06:38] <Daviey> fridge website?
[06:39] <popey> you cloned elmo?
[06:39] <popey> *shudder*
[06:39] <elkbuntu> popey, you are a horrible horrible man
[06:39] <elkbuntu> you even *thought* that
[06:39] <poningru_> lol
[06:39] <gerr2> is it sufficient to say it won't crash? 
[06:39] <popey> i just pictured the cover of Being John Malkovich with lots of elmos
[06:40] <elkbuntu> gerr2, depends, is that in the tone of the titanic?
[06:41] <popey> gerr2: I wouldn't publicise it to be honest
[06:41] <popey> because if it did, the digg and /. crowd would rain down on you from on high
[06:41] <elkbuntu> yeah. last thing you want to do is ... challenge people
[06:41] <gerr2> elkbuntu: very good point - next topic 
[06:42] <gerr2> press releases for the launch. We can make these available for localisation but I note we are all anglophone on this list so maybe not appropriate
[06:43] <popey> contact the loco list?
[06:43] <gerr2> ***gerry realises he has no idea where poningru is from
[06:43] <gerr2> popey: that's what I will do
[06:44] <gerr2> really? i'm too old for this IM stuff 
[06:44] <Daviey> IM!
[06:44] <popey> heh
[06:44] <gerr2> IRC
[06:45] <popey> was all fields round here you know
[06:45] <elkbuntu> the problem with the loco list is that some on there may not be entirely trustworthy enough for the task of keeping to an embargo
[06:45] <Daviey> baa
[06:45] <Daviey> 'embargo'?
[06:46] <gerr2> elkbuntu: i don't think we would give it to them under embargo 
[06:46] <elkbuntu> ah, right. i misunderstood then
[06:46] <gerr2> right - so anyone on the list got plans for launch? 
[06:46] <elkbuntu> Daviey, the 'please dont send this out/pass this on, until $DATE'
[06:47] <Daviey> elkbuntu: What would be the problem if it got leaked?
[06:47] <Daviey> Surely the more exposure it gets, the better?
[06:47] <popey> Daviey: less impact
[06:47] <elkbuntu> im not in an ideal place for any decent sort of launch function, unfortunately
[06:47] <popey> dribble vs splash
[06:47] <popey> gerr2: I'd like to see a party in london, if the ubuntu-uk guys sort one in brum, I'd gladly help sort one in London
[06:47] <elkbuntu> Daviey, people coming in 6 hrs before the ISO is released, demanding it because some site said it was out
[06:47] <elkbuntu> in HOARDS
[06:47] <popey> that will happen anyway
[06:48] <Daviey> That _always_ happens
[06:48] <popey> but yes, we dont want to encourage it
[06:48] <gerr2> Daviey: the problem is hat we ask journalists to respect the embargo so we have time to brief them. if they hold off on the stories and it is then on someone's blog they are not very happy
[06:48] <elkbuntu> of course it does. the sotry always breaks embargo
[06:48] <elkbuntu> gerr2, embargo isnt really worth a whole lot, no
[06:49] <popey> there is nothing stopping the community making a press release
[06:49] <popey> surely?
[06:49] <popey> but is gerr2 not talking about a canonical press release?
[06:49] <elkbuntu> yes
[06:49] <gerr2> popey: gerr2 is or /me is 
[06:49] <Daviey> Should a canonical press release concern the loco ML?
[06:50] <elkbuntu> Daviey, to have it translated, sure
[06:50] <gerr2> elkbuntu: exactly
[06:50] <Daviey> elkbuntu: why not use the LP transalters?
[06:50] <Daviey> salters eh?
[06:50] <elkbuntu> Daviey, because there'd be absolutely zero embargo with that
[06:51] <Daviey> I mean.. contact experienced translaters individually and ask them to do it
[06:51] <gerr2> Daviey: there is nothing to prevent a community announcement except not sure who could agree that it reflects the wide opinion of the community
[06:51] <popey> true
[06:51] <Daviey> gerr2: wiki snapshot ftw ;)
[06:52] <gerr2> Daviey: what? 
[06:52] <Daviey> sorry.. If it is written on the wiki - and copied on a certain date.. It _may_ reflect more peoples opinions
[06:52] <gerr2> Daviey: i am staying well clear of it
[06:53] <Daviey> Is there an agenda for this meeting?
[06:54] <gerr2> popey: apart from having a party in london I mean are there other activities that the community would do/has done around launch where we could help or encourage? 
[06:54] <popey> ahhh
[06:54] <popey> Daviey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meeting
[06:55] <popey> gerr2: tricky one
[06:55] <Daviey> a community photo competition.. been tried before i know - but with more 'exposure' (`scuse the phun)
[06:55] <popey> personally I'm doing my bit ;) - the screencasts are designed to lead up to launch
[06:56] <popey> unfortunately I'm not a marketeer so I'm probably not the best one to ask about how best to market the product in the community
[06:56] <elkbuntu> community photo things are great for people who will have parties near them. should we not think about some other way those more remote can contribute to the spirit, rather than sit back and watch everyone else having the fun?
[06:57] <Daviey> elkbuntu: any suggestions?
[06:58] <elkbuntu> Daviey, i was hoping to get some from you guys
[06:58] <katkin_> we could ask people to send us photos of the most interesting places that they are downloading gutsy
[06:58] <gerr2> elkbuntu: the most remote? the highest? the driest? the wettest? 
[06:58] <katkin_> or in the loo?
[06:59] <popey> yeah, categories tham
[06:59] <katkin_> thats a good idea
[06:59] <popey> competitions..
[06:59] <katkin_> maybe not wettest though
[06:59] <popey> free stuff!
[06:59] <Daviey> sabdfl will no doubt go back to space to win the competition
[06:59] <katkin_> wouldn't want people electrocuting themselves
[06:59] <gerr2> the meeting rooms in canonical towers are named after the most extreme places on earth so there is a link
[07:00] <popey> "Extreme Ubuntu!"
[07:00] <popey> Dude!
[07:00] <gerr2> Daviey: we'll ban him 
[07:00] <katkin_> A prize for the gutsiest place someone downloads gutsy
[07:00] <gerr2> Extreme Ubuntu! like it 
[07:00] <popey> ooooo 
[07:00] <popey> How Gutsy are you!
[07:01] <popey> naked gutsy
[07:01] <popey> *shudder*
[07:01] <katkin_> A prize for someone who downloads gutsy with a real gibbon next to them
[07:01] <katkin_> urgh - naked gutsy?!
[07:01] <elkbuntu> lol
[07:01] <Daviey> katkin_: that's too winnable
[07:01] <katkin_> Daviey: really?
[07:01] <popey> yeah, anyone in my office would fulfil that role
[07:01] <elkbuntu> a photo of a gibbon downloading gutsy?
[07:01] <Daviey> katkin_: i live 20 mins from the zoo with gibbons
[07:01] <katkin_> Daviey: how many people do you know who have access to a real gibbon?
[07:01] <elkbuntu> that would require training the beast ;)
[07:01] <katkin_> Daviey: ah
[07:02] <katkin_> Daviey: fair enough
[07:02] <popey> elkbuntu: Daviey doesn't need training
[07:02] <popey> he can pretty much flush on his own now
[07:02] <Daviey> *wrong*
[07:03] <Daviey> and i leave the seat up \o/
[07:03] <elkbuntu> owww.. my ribs hurt
[07:04] <popey> i do like the gutsyest download
[07:05] <Daviey> me 2
[07:05] <katkin_> cool
[07:05] <Daviey> "Have you got the Gut's do download it?"
[07:06] <Daviey> s/do/to
[07:06] <katkin_> I'm earning my creative marketing pennies then :)
[07:06] <elkbuntu> um.. that's hardly a positive enforcement there
[07:06] <katkin_> not sure what will happen when Hardy Heron launches . . . . . .
[07:06] <popey> wonder how many people would class "sitting outside my neighbours house stealing his wifi" as gutsy
[07:06] <elkbuntu> we want downloading to seem easy and friendly, not scary and nervewracking
[07:06] <Daviey> popey: That's your everyday net connection, is it not?
[07:07] <katkin_> popey: some I'm sure
[07:07] <Daviey> Does a 'difficult' download show that it's worth DL'ing?
[07:07] <gerr2> Extreme Ubuntu gives us lots of winners
[07:07] <poningru_> sorry guys at work
[07:07] <gerr2> driest highest lowest wierdest
[07:07] <poningru_> so coming in and out
[07:07] <popey> yeah
[07:08] <katkin_> gutsyest
[07:08] <popey> be nice if there was a site we could have people upload their pics too
[07:08] <popey> and tag them 
[07:08] <popey> "fast" "high" etc
[07:08] <katkin_> we could offer vouchers for the store as prizes
[07:08] <katkin_> unless you guys have other ideas?
[07:08] <popey> ooooo.. nice idea
[07:08] <gerr2> and pay the shipping:)
[07:08] <popey> that would go down well :)
[07:08] <katkin_> :D
[07:09] <elkbuntu> yep
[07:09] <gerr2> I suggest we devise 8 categories and 2 wild cards
[07:09] <popey> should we setup a little site where people can upload their pics
[07:09] <popey> some people wont want to put them on flickr etc
[07:09] <elkbuntu> katkin_, also remember that nearly any item with Mark's signature on it will attract interest
[07:10] <popey> heh, or anything mark has breathed near
[07:10] <katkin_> elkbuntu: noted
[07:11] <popey> now here's a tricky problem
[07:11] <popey> if we want them to photo themselves downloading...
[07:11] <katkin_> elkbuntu: I'll see if I can get him to sign, lick or rub some merchandise
[07:11] <popey> the photos wont be available until after the release
[07:11] <katkin_> that's ok
[07:11] <gerr2> ok  - I am going to put up a wiki page linked off launch parties 
[07:11] <popey> so you'd need to announce this on the day of release
[07:11] <elkbuntu> katkin_, if it involves licking, we want photos to laugh at
[07:11] <katkin_> or before so people can start preparing?
[07:12] <popey> yeah, true
[07:12] <gerr2> popey: not at all. we want people to start thinking about it. 
[07:12] <popey> would be nice if it was a separate site, with picture upload, tagging and commenting
[07:12] <katkin_> i agree
[07:12] <katkin_> it should be separate to the launch parties section
[07:12] <popey> howgutsyareyou.com or something
[07:13] <gerr2> popey: for the moment i am going to put up a wiki where us marketing (ie. me kat and al on the list) can sort out some details
[07:13] <popey> cool
[07:13] <gerr2> that is all on the list  - not al specifically
[07:14] <gerr2> i gots to run. i think extreme ubuntu might come off;
[07:14] <katkin_> me too
[07:14] <elkbuntu> so long as it does better than that poor effort LUGradio did...
[07:14] <katkin_> thanks very much for coming veryone
[07:15] <elkbuntu> katkin_, no problem
[07:15] <katkin_> it would be great if we could all have a meeting every month :)
[07:15] <katkin_> it's great getting your input
[07:15] <katkin_> Have a great day/evening (depending on where you are)
[07:16] <popey> i would recommend you schedule the meeting now
[07:16] <elkbuntu> lol
[07:16] <popey> many teams schedule their next meeting at the end of the last one
[07:16] <popey> bum
[07:18] <Daviey> Photo's could be of the RC?
[07:19] <Daviey> wonder what the community manager thinks of all this?
[08:18] <poningru_> hey
[08:18] <poningru_> so what happened
[08:19] <poningru_> OMG
[08:19] <poningru_> http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
[08:30] <tristanbob> poningru: wow - that is TERRIFIC if true
[08:31] <gerr2> tristanbob: it's true
[08:33] <tristanbob> so they are creating new drivers from scratch (because of licensing?)
[08:36] <gerr2> tristanbob: i just realised that the release is not official yet or at least I have not seen it publically so I can't talk about it 
[08:37] <tristanbob> gerr2: are you saying you have more info, but can't talk until it is publicly announced?
[08:40] <poningru_> oh man I wonder when it becomes public
[08:41] <poningru_> gerr2, when is the hold till?
[08:43] <juliux> gerr2, sorry that i missed the meeting
[09:08] <gerr2> g'night all