=== matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sabotage is now known as sabotage_afk === bspencer_ [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-df9f064621bf1790] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === wasikevin [n=tw917509@221-169-13-105.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === ionstorm [n=ion@70-58-119-250.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bfiller [n=bfiller@pool-72-74-234-2.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === dantalizing [n=dan@wsip-70-184-147-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === dantalizing [n=dan@wsip-70-184-147-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === javamaniac [n=gerardo@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:27ed] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F70775.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:41] good morning === bobux [i=bspencer@nat/intel/x-fd87ae1bdcfe446e] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Peter_u2 [i=PeterZhu@nat/intel/x-4058eec62fdbb67f] has joined #Ubuntu-mobile === horace_ubuntu [i=hli23@nat/intel/x-b344d8424bae05c7] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bspencer_ [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-727ccf793bac892d] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sabotage_afk [i=sabotage@nat/intel/x-b2d6c6efc87a9e60] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === wasikevin [n=tw917509@116.59.25.107] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === irreplaceable [n=tw917509@116.59.20.43] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mdamt [n=mdamt@192.100.124.156] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F76601.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === guardian [n=Guardian@mar44-1-87-90-32-28.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F77511.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:17] What's the input method situation? I read in the spec that it will use onBoard, but it seems that mb-keyboard is used? === wasikevin [n=tw917509@116.59.5.224] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [11:59] yes, we're using matchbox-keyboard at the moment. [11:59] Any plan to change it? [12:00] not really, unless something better comes along. [12:01] Ok, hope this something can come out this week :-) [12:02] oh, anything interesting happening which I should be aware of? [12:05] Well something about input method. We're trying to get it out this week. Watch planet.maemo.org :-) [12:06] sounds interesting. [12:51] asac: for #129469 to be fixed, do I need to do anything more than change the build-depends and configure.ac? It doesn't seem like midbrowser-dev ships any shlibs? [12:51] Mithrandir: carl wanted to look into it ... i haven't tried, but he claimed changing build-depends and configure.ac causes crashes [12:52] asac: ok, anyway I think midbrowser-dev should ship a shlibs so packages built against it ends up having a dependency on it? [12:53] Mithrandir: we don't have soname versioned libs [12:53] if it still works i can add it ... [12:53] and the libs are installed in pkglibdir as well [12:54] Mithrandir: the main thing about all this is that upstream doesn't support using the shared libs directly ... [12:54] I've read a little bit about it. I think upstream are approaching this wrongly, but it's not a fight I'm willing to take on. [12:54] Mithrandir: the upstream way is to use a static glue which will find and load the proper gecko runtime engine for you [12:55] Mithrandir: right ... however we have now xulrunner-1.9 the upstream way and firefox build on top ... and indeed appears to work well [12:55] ok, but we don't want xulrunner 1.9 and firefox both in main, AIUI? [12:56] no ... thats just for preview (gutsy+1) === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.86.102.158.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [12:56] but it shows that it works well and that debian claims that its sooo bad are mostly wrong [12:56] so what do you think is the approach we should take? [12:57] Mithrandir: i think the crashes we see are because LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not set for the panel [12:57] Mithrandir: and basic flash is just a .so right? [12:58] Mithrandir: however carl said if you run the panel with LD_LIBRARY_PATH extended by midbrowser path .... then the whole panel crashed [12:59] ... which i find a bit scary ... if you can do a build an verify that extending LD_LIBRARY_PATH really crashes it then i can take a look. === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [01:00] but i always hoped that intel would go ahead and put some effords in it as well :) [01:00] I won't have time for that today, but I could look at it later this week, sure. [01:00] I'll put in on my list of stuff to debug [01:00] you don't need to debug ... i just want a senior confirming that behaviour before i start looking into it :) [01:02] if the panel really crashes though ... i would appreciate some hints why it might crash when just adding /usr/lib/midbrowser to LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?? [01:02] I'd probably do it by adding an rpath for midbrowser to the .so instead, wouldn't that be better? [01:03] Mithrandir: that probably won't work ... as the lib you load wants to load more libs that don't have the rpath set [01:03] Mithrandir: the only option that would work is to link against all libs explicitly [01:03] (only option with LD_LIBRARY_PATH and without using static glue) [01:03] s/with/without/ [01:05] mhm [01:05] ugh, but ok. [01:05] I'll just test with LD_L_P set [01:06] feel free to test rpath as well ... its just that i tried it for something else (can't remember exactly what it was) ... and I ended up linking all libs explicitly [01:25] Mithrandir: my image-creator installed chroot is broken atm ... 1. the application menu is so huge that it doesn't fit on screen and if i click on the application switcher arrow in panel it crashes ... is that known? [01:26] Mithrandir: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/screen1.png [01:26] the second one is known, the first one I didn't know about.- [01:26] s/-// [01:26] its a fresh image (created about 14 hours ago ... and just dist-upgraded) [01:28] Mithrandir: currently everything is run as root ... how will this be in the end? [01:28] that's on my list of stuff to fix this week [01:29] oh cool [01:36] kwwii_: have you looked at the UI for dates and tasks and contacts? At least some people like the openmoko screenshots better than the maemo ones; do you know how much of this can be done with theming and what'll require code changes? [01:36] kwwii_: or if you have any suggestions as to what the UI should look like. [01:37] kwwii_: I'm not asking you to whip up something, just wondering if you'd already looked at it and had some thoughts. [01:39] Mithrandir: I have never seen the openmoko stuff but I can take a look [01:40] http://www.pimlico-project.org/dates.html has some screenshots. [01:41] Mithrandir: the openmoko stuff looks much similar [01:41] erm [01:41] simpler [01:41] but I think that most of that is coding, not theming from the looks [01:42] ok; I guess the shiny buttons and such is just theming though === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mobile.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Topic for #ubuntu-mobile: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ === Topic (#ubuntu-mobile): set by mdz at Thu Aug 16 15:19:37 2007 === fcarvalho [n=fcarvalh@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === dantalizing [n=dtrevino@n128-227-69-78.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === fcarvalho [n=fcarvalh@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === etrunko [n=edulima@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === wasikevin [n=tw917509@116.59.47.21] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === renatofilho_ [n=renato@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === wasikevin [n=tw917509@116.59.47.21] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bfiller [n=bfiller@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === wasikevin [n=tw917509@116.59.47.21] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:42] asac: if you have the time, could you check out the bugs on http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring that have 'asac' next to them? most of them should be easy to review, I think === matt_c_ [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:46] dholbach: yes will upload ... for network-manager we probably don't want that fix [03:46] but i am assigned so i will work this out [03:46] asac: or just comment on the bug [03:47] so the patch author knows what to fix or that it's not the right thing for gutsy [03:54] done. === dholbach hugs asac === sabotage_afk is now known as sabotage === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === fcarvalho [n=fcarvalh@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === asac__ [n=asac@e177170173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bryce [n=bryce@c-67-169-207-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-mobile ["Ex-Chat"] === captainigloo [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === cwong1 [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-59e7708d734ce195] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === boggle [i=spindler@nat/canonical/x-33ea03cd74c8af77] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Lure [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === dantalizing [n=dtrevino@n128-227-69-78.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === dantalizing is now known as dantalizing_away === captainigloo [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === captainigloo [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === lmoura [n=lmoura@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === lucasr [n=lucasr@cs164220.pp.htv.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === agoliveira finally got me menus working... phew... === captainigloo_ [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Charliefjohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-97df1a3ee1079357] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:23] agoliveira: Just sent you an email regarding apps and what has been choosen. Can you reply today ? [08:23] Charliefjohnson: Just did === kinik [n=Gary@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:26] agoliveira: Thanks! === boggle [i=spindler@nat/canonical/x-4aa953f7c56607a1] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === guardian [n=Guardian@ANantes-252-1-91-140.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === MTecknology [n=MTecknol@host-82-211-220-24.midco.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:35] this isn't really specific to mobile, but maybe somebody in here can help? I'm going to a university that doesn't broadcast their SSID. When I go anywhere else that is, I have a flawless time with wireless. They have two sets of SSID's, student1 and student2. What happens is that the network manager never seems to connect to the university wireless so I need to make separate profile for each. Does anybody know any solutions for [08:35] this? I really want to be able to just use the roaming mode for all of my wireless. === alek_hate_lab [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-fefc5eb34f6d9b96] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === alek_hate_lab is now known as alek === dantalizing_away [n=dtrevino@n128-227-69-78.xlate.ufl.edu] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === dantalizing [n=chatzill@n128-227-69-78.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bfiller [n=bfiller@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bfiller [n=bfiller@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === lucasr [n=lucasr@cs164220.pp.htv.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === captainigloo__ [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === captainigloo [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bfiller [n=bfiller@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:33] Mithrandir: are you there? === Charliefjohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-c2831213b1b4c67e] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mdamt [n=mdamt@a88-114-251-193.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:56] bfiller: I am now [10:56] I wanted to ask you how to use dput if you only have a .deb and not a .changes [10:57] Mithrandir: should we just copy the .deb to our repository? [10:57] that's one way, sure. [10:58] Mithrandir: ok. wanted to make sure there wasn't a "preferred" way :) === ion [n=ion@70-58-119-250.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:59] bfiller: the preferred way is to build the .deb so you do have a .changes [11:00] Mithrandir: the package in question here is Skype. They only have a .deb on there site and no source to build from [11:00] Mithrandir: we want to include it in our repo and add it to our fset [11:00] ah, then just including it ought to work. [11:03] Where can I see the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS env used in UME package builder? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === captainigloo_ [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [11:16] mdamt: they're unset. [11:16] Ok thanks. [11:17] And maemo-launcher support is not enabled either? === bspencer_ [i=bob@nat/intel/x-82ee0dd8b0ed27fd] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [11:24] no agolivera today [11:33] mdamt: no. [11:33] anyway, I'm off to bed. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === ionstorm [n=ion@70-58-119-250.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === alek [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-6e026f7cbe3a50d9] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === alek_ [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-fe3c92bcd27cc807] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [12:15] asac, you online? [12:16] HappyCamp: what about? [12:16] I just sent you an email regarding a bug we are seeing with regards to network-manager. [12:16] I attached a patch file that I think fixes the issue. [12:17] HappyCamp: the mail send to mobile list? [12:17] Basically network-manager is doing dbus restarts in the postinstall script, even though we have setup a policy-rc.d file that says that services should not run. [12:17] asac, yep. I also CCed you directly [12:17] It's a fairly simple change to the postinst script. [12:17] "Patch to fix network-manager bug" ?? there is no CC [12:18] I CCed you and the ubuntu-mobile mailing list [12:19] I'm guessing you received it? It was to ubuntu-mobile and to you at your @ubuntu.com email. [12:19] yes i received the mail with subject above [12:19] with lsbfix.patch [12:20] That was from Todd. I sent my own patch which I think might be better. [12:20] My patch is to network-manager debian/network-manager.postinst [12:20] ok i have it [12:21] Good :) I was worried our mail servers sucked. [12:21] I'd be interested to hear feedback on the patch. [12:21] HappyCamp: I take it you removed the restart of the network server? [12:22] oh, never mind, I see your patch [12:22] ToddBrandt, I made it honor if we have a /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d file which says, don't start services. [12:22] Which unfortunately network-manager currently will try to restart dbus services even if we don't want services to be changed. [12:23] ok, yea that's another angle at the bug, it's both there and in lsb-base [12:23] asac the diff is to network-manager-(0.6.5-0ubuntu9 [12:24] Mithrandir said he was going to have one of their NM guys look at it but that will speed things up [12:24] So lsb-base has a bug where it does post-install service stuff? Even if we don't want it to? [12:24] ToddBrandt, I think asac is one of the Network Manager guy, well at least based on the changelog I am looking at. [12:25] yes probably [12:25] HappyCamp: no it doesn't properly handle the case where tput returns a bad value [12:25] ... you don't want dbus to be restarted? how does that fix the bug Todd's patch tried to tackle? [12:26] There's probably a thrid bug here too, somewhere in mobin-image-creator that causes the terminal characteristics to be muddled during an fset install [12:26] asac, No idea on Todd's bug. Todd's patch is probably a perfectly good patch. I am just trying to fix the issue where services are getting restarted even though in our case we don't want it to. [12:27] ok i thought because you replied to his patch mail it tries to replace that patch === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [12:28] I was guessing that if my patch worked then lsb-base would not be getting involved. But to be honest I don't know if that is the case. [12:29] HappyCamp: what breaks for you because nm is restarting dbus? [12:29] asac, Not that. I think it breaks because of the last two things, where it restarts some of the dbus specific components. If that makes sense. [12:30] This: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart [12:30] and this: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher restart [12:30] HappyCamp: actually the bug is seen any time a service is stopped, started, or restarted from within package being installed/removed by moblin-image-creator [12:30] HappyCamp: well ... we have to restart networkmanager in postinst [12:30] I think mess us up. The dbus service itself is called via invoke-rc.d which honors the policy-rc.d file. [12:30] asac not if I don't want it to restart in my chroot. [12:31] when don't you want that? [12:31] I would think, if I don't want it to restart in my chroot then it should not. [12:31] i mean postinst is invoked when you receive a software update [12:31] Moblin Image Creator is doing it inside a chroot environement. [12:31] so it needs to restart [12:32] Okay, maybe I am confused. I want to stop it when we install the package. Which I thought was when postinst gets called. [12:32] yes, but that doesn't matter much ... the nm service needs to be restarted [12:32] My patch should not affect anything except for the case when invoke-rc.d says don't install. [12:32] HappyCamp: do you don't want to start it if its not running before? [12:32] asac, Even in a chroot? [12:33] I don't want anything things to be running in my chroot, service wise. [12:33] HappyCamp: if you don't restart it in a chroot you cannot test it ... [12:33] Well we have created /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d to return 101 [12:33] Which means that services should not be run. [12:33] but we are already running dbus in that chroot, right? === sabotage [i=sabotage@nat/intel/x-11f82cc0e1e28860] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [12:33] We did this because a lot of applications do a postinstall script which dies when we are doing our install. [12:34] I don't think dbus should get started, unless we are doing it when we do a terminal. [12:34] But that would not be during the install. Currently our installs our broken. [12:35] Now I don't know for sure if dbus is or is not getting started when we install it. [12:35] hmm [12:37] ok i am a bit unsure at the moment ... but its late so this doesn't really mean a thing :) [12:37] i will take a second look tomorrow and if good apply it [12:37] asac, We can wait until tomorrow. No problem. [12:37] I just wanted network-manager to honor us using /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d even if maybe we shouldn't be using it in such a blanket method. [12:38] how critical is that? [12:38] i mean i think it should be ok to have this in network-manager ... but i would like to batch this with the next upload i have to do anyways [12:38] Well we haven't been able to automatically build images since Thursday. We have a workaround (manually install network-manager) but we would appreciate it getting fixed. [12:38] ok [12:39] why did it break since thursday? [12:39] what has changed? [12:39] Mithrandir, changed the ubuntu-mobile package, I think. [12:39] To bring in network-manager. [12:39] ok ... good [12:39] (or not so good :)) [12:39] Before we weren't using network-manager. [12:40] Thanks for your help. Have a good night. [12:41] HappyCamp: have you tested if it breaks anything in normal gutsy install? [12:44] asac, I tried it on my gutsy system: sh ./network-manager.postinst configure [12:44] ok [12:44] And that worked. But no, have not done a complete install :( [12:44] no thats fine then [12:47] HappyCamp: next time please submit a bug and maybe send a mailing list nag mail :) [12:48] asac, Okay. Will do. I'm guessing bugs are on launchpad.net ?? [12:48] butits fine now :) [12:48] HappyCamp: yes [12:48] bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/%s ... %s=sourcepackagename [12:50] asac, thanks === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-118-022.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile