[12:38] <nekostar> @_@
[12:41] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[12:45] <geser> Hi TheMuso
[12:47] <nekostar> hey if the second part of hte list in the topic [the last linky]  is top ten updated packages - why is the number of them from 29 on down ?
[12:47] <nekostar> i.e. what do those numbers designate?
[12:47] <norsetto> Hey guys, who should I subscribe to ask for an exception to the NPF?
[12:48] <RAOF> Amaranth: Umm... I'm not sure.  I think he may have been.
[12:48] <Amaranth> RAOF: seems it works in GNOME
[12:48] <Amaranth> i dunno how that works
[12:48] <RAOF> Amaranth: Awesome.  You're trying it now?
[12:48] <Amaranth> no
[12:48] <superm1_> RAOF, you see my notes on the bug earlier today?
[12:49] <Amaranth> report from someone else asking why the hell it wasn't working in KDE since it worked in GNOME
[12:49] <RAOF> superm1_: No, I'm just looking at them now.
[12:49] <superm1_> ah ok.
[12:49] <Amaranth> i seem to remember something about apps talking to gnome-panel instead of handling the messy xinerama stuff on their own
[12:51] <StevenK> nekostar: The number is how many times that source package has been uploaded to gutsy.
[12:53] <RAOF> superm1_: Thanks for the comments.
[12:53] <Lamego> any idea where the JRE java sun license get's stored ?
[12:53] <superm1_> RAOF, i am hitting something similar the update-notifier issue in a package, so it hit a little home.  I'm uploading a debdiff later this evening
[12:56] <RAOF> ... what happened to the line where I defined unud?  Crazy me.
[01:01] <RAOF> superm1_: Any suggestions for the update-notifier text?  I think I should point people to README.Debian.
[01:02] <superm1_> RAOF, just something along the lines of "If you would like to disable Xgl for this user, do so so"
[01:04] <superm1_> RAOF, do you have other information to tell them about in README.Debian?
[01:04] <superm1_> or is that it
[01:05] <RAOF> superm1_: There's a little more, but not much.  I mention that you can run programs on :0 DISPLAY.
[01:05] <StevenK> Wow. My laptop still has 2.6.12 installed.
[01:06] <TheMuso> StevenK: Ancient.
[01:06] <RAOF> That's from... Hoary?
[01:07] <StevenK> Breezy
[01:07] <jmg> StevenK: im amazed your profile survived that long
[01:07] <StevenK> And it turns out it was just the initrd
[01:07] <RAOF> Heh
[01:07] <jmg> I usually have to move my /home/%s out of the way, let ubuntu recreate it and then import stuff
[01:08] <StevenK> GRAH, madduck!
[01:08] <StevenK> First it's complaining about an unchecked configuration file, *now* it bitches about no arrays!
[01:09] <superm1_> RAOF, i think that most people would rather see that note sooner
[01:09] <superm1_> rather than have to hunt in README.Debian
[01:09] <superm1_> but that's just what i think :)
[01:10] <RAOF> superm1_: So rather than point people to README.Debian, duplicate it in the notification?
[01:11] <superm1_> RAOF well its a matter of opinion, so maybe ask some other MOTU folk what they thinjk
[01:11] <superm1_> think even
[01:11] <StevenK> RAOF: Given what I've just been spouting about madduck, pay attention. :-)
[01:12] <RAOF> StevenK: At least this'll only happen once :)
[01:26] <nekostar> StevenK ah thanx
[01:32] <RAOF> Why is xgl slow for intel users?  Suse use Xgl-on-intel, and it works.
[01:34] <ajmitch> why would intel users use xgl?
[01:34] <imbrandon> why would anyone /me ducks
[01:34] <RAOF> ajmitch: One of the compiz-fusion people uses it because it makes various shader effects work, and is faster.
[01:35] <ajmitch> interesting
[01:35] <RAOF> And *I'd* use Xgl because it stops the nvidia drivers from being quite so bad.
[01:36] <StevenK> RAOF: Did I mention I hate the warlock quests? :-)
[01:37] <ajmitch> heh
[01:37] <ajmitch> StevenK: how's the levelling going?
[01:37] <StevenK> I like playing a warlock - I have a tank that follows me around. :-)
[01:37] <StevenK> ajmitch: I have a level 17 mage and a 20 warlock
[01:38] <ajmitch> nice
[01:38] <RAOF> StevenK: I've never done any warlock quests.  The mage quest I've done seemed to be "fight these 5 mele monkeys all at once"
[01:38] <StevenK> Oh, and a 14 warlock, but she is being used in a group, and so everyone is 14
[01:38] <RAOF> You've obviously been playing more WoW than me lately :)
[01:38] <StevenK> RAOF: The last mage quest I completed was very cool - Go to the Blue Recluse, read this scroll, and subdue 3 of the things that appear
[01:39] <ajmitch> StevenK: horde, on a pvp server?
[01:39] <StevenK> Which turned out to be very Ghostbusters
[01:39] <StevenK> ajmitch: Alliance, on a PvE server
[01:39] <RAOF> StevenK: Yup, that one.
[01:39] <ajmitch> StevenK: good
[01:39] <StevenK> RAOF: You're reading the scroll in the wrong place. :-)
[01:40] <RAOF> A little bit too close :)
[01:40] <ajmitch> my warrior is on a PVE server, but I also have a lowlevel horde warlock on frostmourne
[01:40] <StevenK> RAOF: Read it in the basement, and the kitchen, both of those places have only one.
[01:40] <StevenK> RAOF: The main room has 3, and upstairs has 2
[01:40] <RAOF> StevenK: Ah, I've got a slightly different quest then.
[01:41] <RAOF> StevenK: Mine is the Horde version, in Undercity.
[01:41] <StevenK> Ahhh
[01:42] <ajmitch> does your server nearly die & cause all sorts of problems at 8pm each day?
[01:42] <StevenK> Yup
[01:43] <ajmitch> figures, I think it's the daily pvp honour calculations
[01:43] <StevenK> I just love it when the server stops replying and all of a sudden my voidwalker stops moving.
[01:43] <StevenK> Almost?
[01:44] <ajmitch> yes, as in I typed php & then realised what horrors I was mentioning
[01:46] <StevenK> Then I can learn Sacrifice.
[01:47] <ajmitch> 1 step closer to outland
[01:49] <ajmitch> plus I should upload f-spot tonight with some patches
[01:49] <ajmitch> may as well test it & get it into sid
[01:53] <RAOF> Hm.  Is there any documentaiton for the update-notifier format?
[01:54] <ajmitch> probably need to ask mvo, if there's none
[01:54] <ajmitch> have a look at /usr/share/firefox/firefox-restart-required.update-notifier at least
[01:55] <ajmitch> looks to mainly be a .desktop file
[01:55] <ajmitch> given things like Terminal: False
[01:55] <RAOF> Ah, so maybe looking at the .desktop will help.
[01:56] <ajmitch> hm, no, it uses foo-lang, not foo[lang] 
[01:56] <ajmitch> so you can probably ignore all I say
[02:06] <jdong> RAOF: don't have a ubuntu box handy atm.... do you start Xgl with -nolisten tcp?
[02:06] <jdong> RAOF: Xgl defaults to listening on TCP....
[02:35] <RAOF> jdong: No, I didn't.  I'll add that to the default config.
[02:35] <RAOF> jdong: Thanks.
[02:36] <jdong> np :)
[02:36] <jdong> RAOF: that fglrx thing is a bugger too... I'm gonna put some time into investigating why that's broken.
[02:36] <RAOF> jdong: Oh, I know why it's broken, and I (think) have fixed it.
[02:37] <RAOF> jdong: Basically, fglrx installs something in the session to set the DRI modules directory.  We can't start Xgl before that, because we don't have 3d before it's set.
[02:38] <RAOF> So instead I've taken the other option; rather than starting Xgl at the bottom of Xsession.d, I add "Xgl-session" to the top of the STARTUP stack.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> RAOF: good job
[02:40] <RAOF> jdong: Care to check out the debdiff attached to bug #136962 - particularly the update-notifier text?
[02:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136962 in xserver-xgl "Session file left after uninstall breaks X" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136962
[02:40] <RAOF> Hobbsee: It's not uploaded yet, I merely know how to fix it :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> RAOF: no, at the motu ML
[02:41] <jdong> RAOF: that debdiff *looks* right, though I don't have a system to test it on atm
[02:41] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Uuuum...
[02:42] <StevenK>      %INBOX.Ubuntu-universe-sponsors:106/106/6288
[02:42] <StevenK> Eeek
[02:42] <Hobbsee> RAOF: stefan's mail, about being asked to add you to motu
[02:42] <Hobbsee> StevenK: heh :P
[02:42] <jdong> RAOF: IIRC not even calling 10fglrx from 00xgl... helped... so there must be another intermediate script that enables DRI for fglrx.
[02:42] <RAOF> jdong: Really I want comments on the text of the update-notifier bit.  The rest is either right or kinda right & I know how to do it a better way.
[02:42] <jdong> RAOF: in the end I think at the end of the sesion is pretty great a solution
[02:43] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Hm.  I'm sure I'm subscribed to motu, but I don't seem to see that.
[02:43] <jdong> RAOF: the message looks good
[02:47] <RAOF> jdong: If you've seen backscroll, I'm thinking of mentioning README.Debian & DISPLAY=:0.  Thoughts on that?
[02:51] <jdong> RAOF: IMO it's too much info to cram in a notifier....
[02:51] <jdong> RAOF: is there a relative, up to date help.ubuntu.com page we can link to for more info?
[02:51] <RAOF> jdong: That's what I was thinking.
[02:51] <jdong> IMO that's a better way of doing it, as there are more glitches with Xgl than we can list statically :D
[02:51] <RAOF> Actually, no.  Not really.
[02:53] <RAOF> jdong: That would be a better way, yes.  Are you volunteering to write such a page? :)
[02:53] <jdong> RAOF: lol, my free time is.... well classes start tomorrow :D
[02:53] <RAOF> CompositeManager/XglTricks, or somesuch
[02:53] <RAOF> Heh.
[02:53] <jdong> RAOF: but yeah , if I have time, I'd love to do that :D
[03:09] <RAOF> jml, lifeless: We need to organise some combined WoW time :)
[03:10] <StevenK>      %INBOX.Ubuntu-universe-sponsors:106/106/6288
[03:10] <StevenK> Ooops.
[03:10] <RAOF> Heh :)
[03:15] <jml> RAOF: that we do.
[03:15] <jml> RAOF: watch as I push the initiative token back to you
[03:19] <RAOF> jml, lifeless: Tonight?  8pm or so?
[03:19] <jml> RAOF: works for me.
[03:20] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:20] <RAOF> bddebian: Heya
[03:21] <bddebian> Hi RAOF
[03:21] <ajmitch> RAOF: oh dear, lifeless isn't playing as well now, is he? :)
[03:22] <ajmitch> jml: btw, I have a horde warlock on frostmourne now that I just started :)
[03:22] <RAOF> ajmitch: Since before me.
[03:22] <jml> ajmitch: sweet.
[03:22] <RAOF> ajmitch: Cool, you can join up with any number of our characters :)
[03:22] <bddebian> A Horde Warlock from Frostmourne?
[03:22] <StevenK> RAOF: Damn it, create a character on Dath-Remar. :-)
[03:22] <jml> ajmitch: if you are online tonight, I'll hit you up for a signature.
[03:23] <ajmitch> jml: sure, since I can't recall the character's name right now ;)
[03:23] <bddebian> What the heck game are you guys talking about?
[03:23] <ajmitch> RAOF: you're on frostmourne as well?
[03:24] <RAOF> ajmitch: I believe so.
[03:24] <ajmitch> bddebian: world of warcraft, of course
[03:24] <bddebian> Pfft
[03:24] <RAOF> Either that or Khaz
[03:24] <RAOF> But I think it's frostmourne :)
[03:24] <ajmitch> hm, my warrior's on khaz'goroth (pve)
[03:24] <bddebian> You need DDO or NWN, heck with WoW :-)
[03:25] <RAOF> bddebian: Never got into NWN.  It was totally obvious the dude was evil, and you're totally unable to change the railroad.
[03:26] <jml> RAOF: +1
[03:26] <jml> RAOF: online play was fun though, when it worked.
[03:26] <bddebian> RAOF: Huh?  There are bazillions of modules you can download
[03:26] <RAOF> jml: Wow.  I'm amazed anyone managed to interpret that statement :)
[03:27] <jml> RAOF: We've had the conversation before :)
[03:28] <RAOF> bddebian: That's as may be.  I just never got into them, since the game _as shipped_ was crap.
[03:29] <bddebian> If you say so :-)
[03:30] <bddebian> Frickin' pbuilder.  WHere the heck is my logfile
[03:30] <StevenK> What log file?
[03:30] <bddebian> As is --logfile foo
[03:30] <bddebian> s/is/in/
[03:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: whereever you told it to go
[03:32] <bddebian> Nope
[03:32] <RAOF> bddebian: wherever the debs got put?
[03:33] <bddebian> I don't either except for these stupid UVFes
[03:34] <ajmitch> by 'grabs the output', I mean that I pass it through tee to place the build log in the directory with the built packages
[03:34] <bddebian> Ahh
[03:34] <bddebian> Well --logfile used to work for me so I'm confused :'-(
[03:35] <bddebian> Of course I'm also old and senile
[03:35] <StevenK> ajmitch: Agreed, I do the same.
[03:35] <StevenK> Although, if sbuild would give me a way to get a shell when a build fails, I think I'll be in love.
[03:36] <RAOF> StevenK: That would be awesome.  Man.
[03:36] <ajmitch> finally, looks like I may have a semi-reliable mbox-to-maildir conversion script
[03:36] <RAOF> It can't be too hard to do that, surely.
[03:37] <StevenK> I've not checked yet, but it should be possible, since it uses LVM snapshots...
[03:37] <ajmitch> given that I appear to have some mangled From: headers in my mbox files
[03:38] <TheMuso> StevenK, RAOF, while I know sbuild doesn't allow you to be dropped to a shell if a build fails, its easy enough to chroot into a snapshot, and run the build by hand.
[03:38] <TheMuso> Thats what I do.
[03:38] <RAOF> Yeah, it'd just be cooler to be automatically dropped into a shell with the failed build already run.
[03:39] <StevenK> pbuilder does that for me.
[03:39] <StevenK> If I have to run a command to get back into the build environment, that would be okay.
[03:40] <TheMuso> Fair enough, but I'm happy with how things are with sbuild/lvm snapshots atm.
[03:40] <bddebian> I really am an idiot and should probably stop doing this stuff
[03:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: oh shut up :P
[03:43] <ajmitch> don't tempt me to fly over there & beat some sense into you
[03:43] <ajmitch> it'd be expensive
[03:43] <bddebian> c'mon, c'mon.. :-)
[03:47] <StevenK> I think bddebian just wants ajmitch to hold his hand ...
[03:47] <imbrandon> ummm i dident say that out loud did i ?
[03:48] <ajmitch> disturbing people
[03:49] <imbrandon> muahahahaha
[03:52] <TheMuso> RAOF: Have you seen superm1's comments on bug 136962?
[03:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136962 in xserver-xgl "Session file left after uninstall breaks X" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136962
[03:52] <TheMuso> RAOF: If you are working on them, I'll unsubscribe uus for now.
[03:52] <RAOF> TheMuso: Yes.  I've addressed most of them locally, and I'm casting around for opinions as to the notifier text.
[03:53] <TheMuso> RAOF: Ok, will unsubscribe uus as stated.
[03:53] <RAOF> TheMuso: Please do.  I'll have something subscribable again this evening.
[03:54] <TheMuso> RAOF: Ok done.
[03:54] <RAOF> Thanks.  Care to offer comments about the update-notifier text?
[03:55] <TheMuso> RAOF: I dunno. As far as I understand the use of update-notify, its for notifying users of important changes/etc.
[03:57] <RAOF> TheMuso: So just the "we start automatically, please don't try to start Xgl manually" text, in your opinion?
[03:57] <ajmitch> like "your system will explode if you do X, Y, & Z"
[04:00] <RAOF> Heh.
[04:01] <bddebian> Gah, bugs, FTBFs, etc, etc...
[04:06] <Hobbsee> wow, things must have changed since i went to school
[04:06] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Hum?
[04:07] <Hobbsee>  i wasnt aware that saying "i wont file any more sync requests" actually means "i fully intend to file sync requests, whenever i feel like it"
[04:07] <bddebian> Frickin' wireshark takes too damn long to build
[04:07] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Ah.
[04:08] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Yay. /-:?
[04:09] <StevenK> Hobbsee: My father used to say "You must have gone to a different school." for that sort of thing. :-)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:19] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[04:19] <pwnguin> hi. im not sure where else to ask this -- a debian developer has started the process of putting various games i had been looking at porting into debian. they're not in debian yet -- but the packages have been published in a non-traditional manner =/
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[04:19] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: would you be referring to one person in particular?
[04:19] <StevenK> I quite like bzr too
[04:19] <bddebian> pwnguin: A non-traditional manner?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: quite possibly.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it does look sane, though
[04:20] <pwnguin> bddebian: just a http folder with .dsc, .deb, and tarballs
[04:20] <Hobbsee> glancing at my email
[04:20] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: that's a change
[04:20] <Hobbsee> yeah, he's even done a uvfe for it
[04:20] <ajmitch> which package is this for?
[04:20] <StevenK> pwnguin: They are source packages.
[04:21] <pwnguin> StevenK: and binary packages
[04:21] <StevenK> Er, yes. Sorry.
[04:21] <pwnguin> StevenK: but i need to change some stuff around to make it work on ubuntu
[04:21] <pwnguin> how to i apply a diff.gz?
[04:22] <StevenK> pwnguin: dpkg-source -x .dsc, after you have downloaded the .dsc, .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz
[04:22] <pwnguin> aha
[04:22] <StevenK> Or, use dget
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: youtube something or other
[04:22] <StevenK> youtube-dl
[04:23] <StevenK> I think our hand might be forced, since it doesn't work at all, currently.
[04:23] <ajmitch> darn
[04:24] <bddebian> Grr stupid wireshark
[04:40] <bddebian> What's preferred?  Sync a debian revision from experimental or patch the existing package?
[04:40] <bddebian> I would think sync so not to have the delta with Debian but I'm kinda dumb :-)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> sync, probably
[04:40] <ScottK> bddebian: I'd say if you sync from experimental, make sure you know why the maintainer uploaded to experimental and not to unstable.  I've gotten burned by that before.
[04:41] <bddebian> Hmm, how so?
[04:41] <ScottK> Turned out there were some unresolved incompatibilities with another package.
[04:41] <ScottK> I had a lot of fun patching that up.
[04:44] <pwnguin> does pbuilder not download from the net?
[04:44] <ScottK> I even had to Tom Sawyer nixternal into doing some of it for me after I got stuck.
[04:44] <nixternal> what did I do?
[04:44] <ScottK> Helped me patch up python-scipy
[04:44] <nixternal> oh
[04:45] <bddebian> pwnguin: It should
[04:45] <nixternal> I am stuck knee deep in some java code for a class project...all I have to do is add and 'update' and 'delete' feature to my program...and I am dead stuck
[04:45] <pwnguin> bddebian: it keeps telling me gdc-4.1 cant be installed =(
[04:45] <ajmitch> nixternal: nasty
[04:45] <nixternal> ya
[04:46] <nixternal> Random Access Files suck!
[04:46] <pwnguin> heh
[04:46] <ajmitch> pwnguin: check that you have universe enabled for pbuilder
[04:46] <bddebian> Aye
[04:46] <ajmitch> nixternal: do it in python!
[04:46] <pwnguin> ajmitch: that sounds a likely culprit
[04:46] <nixternal> ajmitch: if it was a python course I would :)
[04:47] <ajmitch> nixternal: find a class that lets you do python :)
[04:47] <pwnguin> you have to write a program that deletes itself?
[04:47] <nixternal> haha
[04:47] <nixternal> jython
[04:47] <ajmitch> problem solved
[04:47] <nixternal> I wish all I had to do was write a program that deletes itself
[04:47] <bddebian> hehe
[04:48] <pwnguin> if its any consolation, the d compiler doesn't even keep the same language between releases
[04:48] <pwnguin> causing lots of fun problems, like breaking openGL headers because ref is now a keyword
[04:48] <ajmitch> pwnguin: is it written in d?
[04:48] <bddebian> ScottK: OK, files are there for the wireshark UVFe now :-)
[04:48] <nixternal> this stupid program takes in a string and puts it into a char array, then if the string it took in isn't so many chars, it freakin' pads it with a " " until it reaches max size
[04:48] <nixternal> I hate windows people!
[04:48] <pwnguin> ajmitch: the package im looking at, yes
[04:48] <ajmitch> pwnguin: I mean the compiler
[04:49] <ajmitch> since self-hosting compilers are a pain to bootstrap
[04:49] <pwnguin> ajmitch: i dont think so
[04:49] <ajmitch> especially if they change *that* often
[04:49] <pwnguin> ajmitch: gdc is just a parser to pass off to gcc
[04:49] <ajmitch> right
[04:50] <RAOF> nixternal: Java actually has a "string" class, right?  Why are they making you mess with char arrays?
[04:50] <nixternal> because the teacher has no clue what she is doing
[04:50] <pwnguin> nixternal: string.append()
[04:50] <nixternal> she got mad when I told her the logic for this program doesn't make any sense
[04:50] <nixternal> I asked if I could change the logic, and she said no
[04:50] <nixternal> grr
[04:51] <ajmitch> nixternal: don't dare question a teacher. you're not meant to think
[04:51] <nixternal> I don't want to append, I want to trim() :)
[04:51] <RAOF> CompSci courses suck, in my (extremely bad) experience.
[04:51] <pwnguin> nixternal: that's there as well :P
[04:51] <pwnguin> dumbArray.toString().trim(...)
[04:51] <nixternal> all trim does though is remove whitespace
[04:52] <pwnguin> and substring()
[04:52] <ScottK> bddebian: One ack from me.
[04:53] <ajmitch> RAOF: not universally
[04:53] <nixternal> I mean the way this app reads and writes to a RAF is nuts... if (position - 2 * RECORD_SIZE > 0)    readAddress(position - 2 * 2 * RECORD_SIZE)     else this program sucks!
[04:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: I would ack, but I can't :)
[04:53] <pwnguin> im afraid i dont know that acronym
[04:54] <pwnguin> but introductory CompSci courses often suck ;)
[04:54] <pwnguin> we moved ours from java to python
[04:56] <pwnguin> nobody truly knows java until they have to write a java compiler =(
[04:58] <ajmitch> noone wants to know java quite that well
[04:58] <pwnguin> ajmitch: is there a better guide to pbuilder than the manpage?
[04:58] <ajmitch> !pbuilder
[04:58] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[04:59] <ajmitch> probably a few links on there
[05:00] <pwnguin> found what i needed on that
[05:01] <bddebian> Jesus twin is broken
[05:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why is that?
[05:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: because I'm not allowed to
[05:01] <bddebian> Why?  Did you expire?
[05:02] <ajmitch> well yes, I'm not in the uvf team
[05:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ah, pfft :-)
[05:09] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[05:10] <bddebian> Hi Toadstool
[05:10] <bddebian> Wanna fix some more of my packages? :-)
[05:10] <Toadstool> hi bddebian!
[05:11] <Toadstool> nope, no time for that actually
[05:11] <bddebian> :-)
[05:11] <Toadstool> i'm spending most of my time packing instead of packaging :)
[05:11] <bddebian> Doh
[05:11] <Toadstool> I'm moving back to France next Thursday
[05:12] <bddebian> Where are you living currently?
[05:12] <Toadstool> San Diego
[05:12] <bddebian> Nice
[05:12] <Flannel> Toadstool: where in SD?
[05:12] <Toadstool> Mira Mesa
[05:12] <bddebian> And you wanna to back to France?  WTF? ;-P
[05:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: wouldn't you?
[05:13] <Toadstool> I have to, gotta go back to school for at least 6 months
[05:13] <bddebian> Not a chance in hell :-)
[05:13] <pwnguin> success
[05:13] <jmg> france > usa, sicko taught us that
[05:13] <bddebian> OMG, twin is just plain borked
[05:14] <bddebian> Hahaha
[05:14] <jmg> borked or horked?
[05:14] <bddebian> That fat piece of shit thinks anywhere > usa
[05:14] <jmg> No definitions were found for  borked.
[05:14] <pwnguin> StevenK, ajmitch: thanks for the pointers
[05:14] <pwnguin> now to convince matthew revell to approve my ppa =/
[05:15] <bddebian> jmg: Broken :-)
[05:15] <bddebian> In a multitude of ways
[05:18] <bddebian> I removed the bitops.h include, added a build-dep for libgtk1.2-dev and it's still broken..
[05:18] <bddebian> checking for gtk_init in -lgtk... yes
[05:18] <bddebian> Usage: scripts/Makefiles.sh <top_srcdir>
[05:18] <bddebian> make: *** [configure-stamp]  Error 1
[05:19] <ScottK> bddebian: Did you like my ack for wireshark?
[05:19] <StevenK> Ha
[05:19] <bddebian> ScottK: Yes lovely, thanks :-)
[05:20] <ScottK> Maybe StevenK feels similarly.
[05:20] <StevenK> I'm looking now.
[05:21] <StevenK> bddebian: Fix the diffstat
[05:21] <StevenK> wireshark_0.99.6rel.orig.tar.gz |binary
[05:21] <StevenK>  1 file changed
[05:21] <bddebian> No :-)
[05:22] <bddebian> Well that was a complete waste of my time :'-(
[05:27] <bddebian> StevenK: OK, up
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> ruh roh - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+builds is empty.  Idle CPU, panic!
[05:30] <StevenK> I'll be fixing that soonish.
[05:30] <RAOF> Hm.  Anyone want to help me to debug why trackerd reproducibly segfaults about 15 min into indexing my stuff?  The apport retrace is useless, when I ran trackerd under gdb I got a backtrace consisting of 80 ?? () in ??s, and valgrind SIGILLs when run against it.  Anything else I can try?
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> Yay :)
[05:30] <StevenK> Wow.
[05:31] <pwnguin> RAOF: strace?
[05:32] <RAOF> pwnguin: Hm.  Good plan.
[05:32] <pwnguin> you might want to gook up a filter
[05:32] <RAOF> That's going to produce a gigabyte log or something :)
[05:32] <pwnguin> 15 minutes of disk io
[05:32] <jmg> gook or cook?
[05:32] <pwnguin> cook
[05:32] <ajmitch> RAOF: do the Right Thing & purge tracker :)
[05:32] <pwnguin> ive not yet mastered typing on one elevated leg
[05:33] <RAOF> ajmitch: But I actually quite like integrated search.  When it works
[05:33] <ajmitch> I actually like being able to login & have a useful box
[05:33] <jmg> call your vendor
[05:36] <krisx> i my lions and tigers and linux bears
[05:36] <nekostar> hm
[05:37] <nekostar> so this place is basically packagers and packaging training?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> and universe maintenence, yes
[05:37] <nekostar> huh
[05:37] <nekostar> i guess im not good enough for that yet. any mind to me idling a while?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> no
[05:37] <nekostar> o and sup Hobbsee ^^
[05:38] <nekostar> <<-- nekostar/starscalling/pimp31415/databuddy/etc
[05:38] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:38] <nekostar> masterloki is my newb roomate :>
[05:39] <nekostar> lol
[05:39] <jmg> StevenK: you say that like its a lot
[05:39] <krisx> i wanna be a motu even tho i can't carry a thought or spell  lol how do i start
[05:39] <nekostar> nothing like grabbing 200MB of sources to make a 2MB package eh
[05:40] <ajmitch> uploading 250MB of sources is worse
[05:40] <jmg> agreed
[05:40] <imbrandon> far worse
[05:40] <pwnguin> krisx: the packaging guide has a good start
[05:40] <nekostar> what kinda connection u got?
[05:41] <jmg> quantum data pump
[05:41] <nekostar> iwish
[05:41] <nekostar> lol
[05:41] <imbrandon> 8mb down/ 1mb up, still sucks
[05:41] <jmg> terminating directly in the brain of the makron
[05:41] <nekostar> yeah 30 min for that if i kick my roomates off
[05:41] <krisx> ive been quad booting linux  for about 2 years but youve got me hool==ked now
[05:41] <nekostar> imbrandon yeah got 10 / 1 here
[05:41] <nekostar> quad boot?
[05:41] <jmg> lol
[05:42] <nekostar> i usually run two ubuntu's a windows and something else that gets changed weekly
[05:42] <jmg> lunix, windows, windows, windows
[05:42] <nekostar> @_@
[05:42] <imbrandon> keyboards with double siged delete ( backspace keys ) rock like my apple one ;)
[05:42] <nekostar> 2003/xp/vista ?
[05:42] <pwnguin> my grub has like ten entries =(
[05:42] <krisx> yeah i was dumb vistya converted me over lol
[05:43] <nekostar> ha
[05:43] <tonyyarusso> pwnguin: I once had mine overflow off the screen :P
[05:43] <nekostar> i didnt have a legal xp for a while - got tired of doing updtes the hard way
[05:43] <krisx> xp xp pro vista aand kubuntu gutsy
[05:43] <nekostar> huh
[05:43] <krisx> gusy won me over
[05:43] <pwnguin> ive yet to figure out how to get gutsy and feisty to automagically update grub cooperatievely'
[05:43] <krisx> gutsy
[05:44] <nekostar> yeah gutsy is gonna be the sh1zn1t
[05:44] <krisx> it is the shizit
[05:44] <nekostar> hopefully enough will have stableized for it to be better than feisty right off the bat
[05:44] <imbrandon> pwnguin: they wont , you have to manualy update one or the other
[05:44] <nekostar> and here's a vote for dumping totem and tossing in mplayer XD
[05:44] <pwnguin> imbrandon: ive heard rumors of /boot
[05:44] <jmg> i like the power stuff
[05:45] <nekostar> pwnguin only works if carefully managed
[05:45] <pwnguin> nekostar: mplayer sucks at screensaver inhibit
[05:45] <imbrandon> yea good luck on getting  initramfs to like you then
[05:45] <jmg> pwnguin: totem just sucks
[05:45] <pwnguin> totem isnt too bad
[05:45] <nekostar> +1 /w jmg
[05:45] <pwnguin> i like the interface
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> pwnguin: I did it with a separate /boot and some sort of grub option to be careful what it messes with.
[05:45] <nekostar> the interface is indeed nice.
[05:45] <RAOF> pwnguin: mplayer sucks at *everything* that isn't just "play a movie file fullscreen" :P
[05:45] <nekostar> and as a front end it would rock
[05:45] <jmg> mine constantly tries to download codecs
[05:45] <nekostar> gstreamer just doesnt cut it tho
[05:45] <krisx> it rocks now im running a 7600 gt with an xfi sound card  and i interface wwith a zenvision
[05:46] <nekostar> nor do the xine codecs
[05:46] <krisx> duals are working great
[05:46] <nekostar> krisx xfi? buddy has one of those - told him id give him nix when it was supported - that was 6 months ago
[05:46] <nekostar> what driver set is used for alsa?
[05:46] <krisx> dont dare change my res tho
[05:47] <pwnguin> RAOF: mplayer does subtitles the best
[05:47] <StevenK> RAOF: Having mplayer in a window is okay too
[05:47] <imbrandon> pwnguin: what was your old nick ?
[05:47] <jmg> mplayer does * the best
[05:47] <nekostar> krisx why not change resolutions?
[05:47] <pwnguin> imbrandon: jldugger
[05:47] <imbrandon> ahh right
[05:47] <imbrandon> ok
[05:47] <jmg> xine also cant play on an x server that has a dummy mouse
[05:47] <RAOF> pwnguin: this may be true.  I don't use subtitles.
[05:48] <StevenK> How is kwave broken?
[05:48] <nekostar> what is kwave again? >_>
[05:48] <Hobbsee> wont install - the locolor thing
[05:48] <pwnguin> RAOF: its sad. totem dumps \n's on the screen, and if subtitles overlap on timing, they overlap on screen =(
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> Anyone care to recommend a python IDE?
[05:48] <jmg> tonyyarusso: nonfree? komodo
[05:48] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: xemacs
[05:48] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: did someoen grab that amarok svn fix ?
[05:48] <jmg> StevenK: pffffffffffffffft
[05:48] <imbrandon> someone ?
[05:48] <nekostar> pwnguin vlc/gstreamer/xine all do those bad.
[05:48] <jmg> StevenK: s/xemacs/emacs-snapshot
[05:48] <RAOF> pwnguin: That's a bit crap.
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: ooof...emacs is friggin' huge though
[05:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yep
[05:48] <imbrandon> kk
[05:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: already in the archive
[05:48] <imbrandon> sweet kk
[05:48] <nekostar> something about how mplayer does font smoothing for teh screen or so
[05:48] <krisx> it crashes i need to save my xserver config but he didnnt believe my xfi wasnt supported eithor lol
[05:48] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: An operating system doesn't come cheap :)
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> heh
[05:49] <pwnguin> RAOF: there's also the matter of h264 at high resolutions
[05:49] <jmg> RAOF: only 50 billion or whatever debian is valued at
[05:49] <imbrandon> h264 at any resolution needs to diaf
[05:49] <pwnguin> high resolution is awesome
[05:49] <RAOF> pwnguin: Is gstreamer still a lot slower than ffmpeg?
[05:49] <krisx> im running 1400 x  1028 on my default
[05:50] <imbrandon> gst uses ffmpeg at times iirc
[05:50] <imbrandon> i was looking at miro today
[05:50] <imbrandon> you get an email too ?
[05:50] <jmg> mplayer can use coreavc
[05:50] <RAOF> Who wants me to switch miro to gstreamer? :P
[05:50] <krisx> my better runs like 1900 but kde freaks lol
[05:50] <pwnguin> RAOF: i actually had a lot of success improving playback in mplayer by removing w32codecs
[05:50] <imbrandon> i run 1680 x 1050 two times as my default
[05:51] <RAOF> pwnguin: w32codecs gets you... realplayer support, I think.  That's all.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> nekostar: suggestion:  use the resources on your linux system to not ask stupid questions
[05:51] <pwnguin> RAOF: it comes with a crapton of codecs
[05:51] <pwnguin> RAOF: and apparently prefers them to the open source ones
[05:51] <imbrandon> most arent needed
[05:51] <krisx> i should have tryed it any time i change i go to text
[05:51] <RAOF> pwnguin: All of which have better open-source decoders, excep for realplayer.
[05:52] <pwnguin> RAOF: so ive noticed
[05:52] <jmg> how can i turn off the codec download
[05:52] <imbrandon> RAOF: helix is open source ( real decoder )
[05:52] <pwnguin> for me, the biggest problem is that mplayer doesn't support gnome-vfs
[05:52] <RAOF> imbrandon: Cool.  But that's not integrated into ffmpeg, so it doesn't exist :P
[05:52] <krisx> damn i had that for forensics
[05:52] <nekostar> Hobbsee excuse me for trying to be frendly or w/e
[05:53] <imbrandon> technical problem then not a OpenSource one
[05:53] <nekostar> my bad. now i know better.
[05:53] <pwnguin> so if i want to watch a video on smb share, its hard to get mplayer to stream it
[05:53] <nekostar> motu ~______________~
[05:53] <imbrandon> ???
[05:54] <Amaranth> RAOF: if miro uses gstreamer maybe it would actually work
[05:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: an #ubuntu troll
[05:54] <Hobbsee> seemed reformed, from behaviour in #ubuntu+1
[05:54] <Amaranth> RAOF: i couldn't get it to play anything
[05:54] <RAOF> Amaranth: Works for me?
[05:54] <Amaranth> and it causes like 500 wakeups per second, then again so does every media player that doesn't use gstreamer
[05:54] <RAOF> But you wouldn't be using my packages :)
[05:57] <krisx> you folks have been very kind maybe you can tell me how i start to learn how help this community
[05:57] <krisx> kinda need a motu for dummys
[05:58] <RAOF> There's wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[05:58] <pwnguin> krisx: check out the package called "packaging-guide"
[05:58] <pwnguin> it walks you through the steps to packaging GNU hello-world
[05:59] <krisx> ook so where do i go from there im really ointersted in myth tv
[05:59] <krisx> pig speak lol
[06:01] <krisx> ok so packaging guide  and see you folks in a week or tommorow whichever comes first at least i can hag around here a nd learn
[06:02] <krisx> cya fols gn
[06:02] <krisx> sorry bad battery
[06:05] <RAOF> Miro: because graceful error handling is for chumps.
[06:06] <bddebian> heh
[06:06] <RAOF> Hm.  How hard is it to write a gconf schema?
[06:11] <TheMuso> RAOF: Theres likely tools to do it somewhere.
[06:11] <TheMuso> RAOF: Modifying them by hand is not too hard, but I wouldn't try doing one by hand from scratch.
[06:11] <RAOF> Yeah, probably.
[06:16] <StevenK> Hrm. Where is that script that munges the maintainer and edits the changelog?
[06:17] <RAOF> ubuntu-dev-tools.
[06:18] <RAOF> Right.  And stracing trackerd also doesn't produce anything of note.
[06:19] <ajmitch> RAOF: of course it won't
[06:22] <RAOF> ajmitch: I didn't really think it would, but I'm searching around for ways to actually get some debug info.
[06:22] <RAOF> Yay, launchpad is down.
[06:22] <ajmitch> again?
[06:23] <RAOF> ...and now it's back.
[06:23] <StevenK> That was quick.
[06:24] <ajmitch> it happens
[06:24] <ScottK> Launchpad.  It puts the Q in Reliability.
[06:25] <ScottK> Sorry.  It's been annoying me with not working off and on all day.
[06:26] <StevenK> Q?
[06:26] <StevenK> I can expand it to quorum, but I don't think that's what you mean.
[06:26] <ScottK> As in it's not in the word Reliability.  There is no Q in reliability.
[06:27] <ScottK> It's late and I'm tired.  Don't expect me to make any sense at all right now.
[06:28] <StevenK> Ah.
[06:28] <StevenK> I prefer, "This is *quality* software. That's quality with a K W."
[06:30] <bddebian> Well I guess that's enough damage for today.  Gnight folks.
[06:30] <jmg> your face is quality software.
[06:31] <StevenK> jmg: What's that supposed to mean? :-)
[06:31] <jmg> StevenK: that's quality with a KW.
[06:32] <ajmitch> that's jmg being his usual charming self
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: how can I get a non-gross font in xemacs?
[06:35] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: By rebuilding it with XFont support, I think.  I acutally just use it from a terminal!
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> lol
[06:35] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: Options -> Font
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> better..ish
[06:37] <StevenK> imbrandon: Is it a problem if I set the Maintainer for kdegraphics and koffice to -core-dev?
[07:25] <TheMuso> c
[07:25] <TheMuso> q
[07:25] <TheMuso> wrong window
[07:26] <jmg> b
[07:34] <ScottK> So am I wrong to be worried about the PPA Terms of Service: "You agree to indemnify and hold Canonical Ltd ... harmless from any alleged claim or demand, including reasonable attorney fees, made by any third party due to or arising out of your Content, your use of the service, your connection to the service," Note that as written, misuse is not required for you to be liable for Canonical's legal bills.  Misuse is listed separately later in the
[07:34] <ScottK> list.
[08:01] <StevenK> Hum.
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: what would be included?
[08:03] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: A jump from 2.3.18 to 2.4.0~rc2
[08:03] <ScottK> Sounds scary from just the version numbers.
[08:03] <StevenK> 2.3.x is the unstable branch of gimp
[08:03] <ScottK> Ah.
[08:04] <ScottK> Nevermind then.
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: features?
[08:07] <StevenK> I haven't looked. I'm basing this entirely on "RC's are probably better to have."
[08:08] <ScottK> Makes sense.
[08:11] <StevenK> ScottK: Would you be willing to test 2.4.0~rc2 build?
[08:11] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: ^
[08:11] <ScottK> Yes.  I have i386
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: I'm not even running gutsy :S
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> or I would
[08:12] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: Gutsy chroot, like I'll test?
[08:13] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: If I can figure out how....
[08:13] <StevenK> pbuilder uses chroots. :-)
[08:13] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: chroot or pbuilder?
[08:13] <tonyyarusso> oh
[08:13] <tonyyarusso> erm, so I'll need to make a gutsy tgz
[08:14] <StevenK> You don't already have a gutsy base tarball?!
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> nope
[08:15] <StevenK> Ah. You also aren't a MOTU
[08:15] <tonyyarusso> nope
[08:18] <ajmitch> even *I* have a gutsy base tarball
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> I really need to start doing this stuff on the box with a big hard drive - to bad its networking is non-functional atm for some reason :(
[08:18] <ajmitch> define 'big'
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> half-terrabyte
[08:19] <ajmitch> it'll fill up quickly
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> $109 on newegg :)
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: uh, how?....you can't go a great deal larger even in a sane price range.
[08:21] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: That's why you buy 3 or 4, and LVM them together.
[08:21] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: I don't even have connections on my motherboard for more than two.
[08:21] <ajmitch> get a new motherboard? :)
[08:24] <tonyyarusso> erm, is the console font different in gutsy?
[08:24] <tonyyarusso> mine just changed
[08:26] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: All right, where's the source ?
[08:26] <StevenK> For gimp? It doesn't exist yet.
[08:27] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: Ah - I thought you had it all set to go for testing ;)
[08:28] <StevenK> Not yet. :-)
[08:29] <tonyyarusso> let me know
[08:29] <StevenK> I shall.
[08:32] <ScottK> StevenK: Did you upload devscripts yet?
[08:32] <StevenK> ScottK: No, actually. The changes work for you
[08:32] <StevenK> ?
[08:32] <ScottK> Yes.  Work very nicely.  It's the first time I've been able to use requestsync.
[08:33] <ScottK> I've got anothter feature request if you're interested?
[08:33] <ajmitch> ScottK: why is that?
[08:33] <StevenK> ScottK: Shoot.
[08:34] <ScottK> Because requestsync (up to now) took the first secret key in your address book and for me, that wasn't the one that I use with Ubuntu.
[08:34] <ScottK> StevenK: I was just using the modified requestsync you gave me the other day and (I'm pretty sure) got the passphrase wrong.
[08:35] <ScottK> The script then failed on the assertation error (line 164 in my copy).
[08:35] <ScottK> It'd be nice to retry a passphrase failure, expecially now that we are using an agent by default.
[08:36] <ScottK> That or I messed something else up.  Hang on a sec.
[08:37] <ScottK> Nevermind
[08:38] <ScottK> It works better when I have DEBEMAIL set to the address I am signing with.
[08:38] <ScottK> Ugh.
[08:41] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <ScottK> Good morning dholbach
[08:44] <dholbach> hey ScottK
[08:44] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[08:45] <ScottK> Tired and grumpy.  Other than that, fine.
[08:45] <ScottK> It's going on 3AM here.
[08:45] <dholbach> oh wow
[08:46] <dholbach> what happened?
[08:46] <ScottK> Family situation is more than a little rough right now.
[08:47] <ScottK> It'll all sort itself out eventually, but it's not much fun at the moment.
[08:48] <dholbach> ScottK: I wish you all the best with that
[08:48] <ScottK> Thanks.
[08:48] <ajmitch> hello dholbach
[08:49] <ajmitch> ScottK: I hope tomorrow goes better then
[08:49] <ScottK> ajmitch: Thanks.
[08:57] <\sh> moins
[09:25] <pwnguin> a question about readahead: is the list sorted in any particular order?
[09:26] <dholbach> pwnguin: best to ask in #ubuntu-devel - it's a package in main
[09:26] <pwnguin> fair enough
[09:26] <dholbach> I think that the people who touched the package in the past will be there (now or soon-ish)
[09:28] <pwnguin> i was just thinking, the boot charts show horrible throughput for readhead
[09:44] <RAOF> Yay!  Deskbar works again!
[09:45] <dholbach> hey RAOF!
[09:45] <RAOF> dholbach: Hey!
[10:02] <RAOF> Ok.  New Xgl debdiff uploaded.  Please pick at it some more :)
[10:03] <TheMuso> c
[10:03] <TheMuso> ugh
[10:03] <TheMuso> orca lag
[10:31] <Amaranth> RAOF: what are you changing?
[11:04] <\sh> argl..openmash is a bitch
[11:09] <RAOF> Amaranth: Fixing the Xsession bit to be more robust, mainly.
[11:17] <geser> morning
[11:18] <\sh> dholbach, short question regarding launchpad-bugs tool...is it possible to file bugs with this tool?
[11:18] <\sh> moins geser
[11:18] <dholbach> \sh: what do you mean?
[11:18] <dholbach> heya geser
[11:18] <dholbach> \sh: python-launchpad-bugs?
[11:18] <\sh> dholbach, yepp...
[11:18] <dholbach> no
[11:19] <\sh> dholbach, so it's just a query lp framework...
[11:19] <dholbach> not really, you can set status etc too
[11:19] <dholbach> but nobody made an effort to work filing bugs into it yet
[11:20] <\sh> dholbach, yeah...but I was thinking it's also possible to file new bug reports with it, so I don't have to use the webfrontend or email
[11:20] <dholbach> yeah, I'm sorry, but it's not in it
[11:21] <\sh> dholbach, siretart and I wrote a small tool (lpbugs.py) in the past, which could be used to send gpg signed emails to lp for creating bugs...I wonder how difficult this is to put this code into a class
[11:22] <dholbach> I guess it shouldn't, but I'm not sure how it'd fit into pylpbugs
[11:22] <dholbach> as it uses the concept of backends, so that'd probably be a new backend
[11:23] <dholbach> that might be very hairy to do
[11:24] <\sh> dholbach, question is, pylpbugs is using the xmlrpc frontend of LP right...
[11:24] <dholbach> \sh: no, xmlrpc is not there yet
[11:24] <dholbach> \sh: we screen-scrape html
[11:26] <\sh> dholbach, ahh....perl www::mechanize system ,-)
[11:27] <dholbach> no :)
[11:27] <dholbach> python libxml2 using relax ng
[11:28] <\sh> .oO(something new to learn, cool :))
[11:29] <Ng> hey :)
[11:34] <\sh> and a cigarette
[11:51] <\sh> hmmm..
[11:51] <\sh> could it be, that openmash is not existent in debian anymore?
[11:53] <geser> it was removed two days ago from unstable (Debian bug #423306)
[11:53] <ubotu> Debian bug 423306 in ftp.debian.org "RM: openmash -- RoQA; orphaned, RC-buggy, no upstream" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/423306
[11:53] <\sh> jepp
[11:53] <\sh> I'm trying to fix openmash right now, but there are problems which we can't solve...
[11:53] <\sh> especially grabber.h and device-input.h are missing completly
[11:54] <\sh> I wonder if we should remove the package for gutsy as well
[11:54] <\sh> in all configure scripts are bashisms which can be solved with shebang to bash
[11:55] <geser> if it can't be fixed to build again, it should be removed imho
[11:55] <\sh> some extra qualifiers, can be fixed too...but the two missing includes ... the xvideo-xv source can't be compiled..and apt-file tells me, that there is no grabber.h and device-input.h anywhere
[11:55] <\sh> and reading dbts...most bugs are older then a year
[12:00] <\sh> if someone can deal with this, I subscribed u-u-s... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openmash/+bug/137288
[12:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137288 in openmash "[FTBFS]  openmash" [Undecided,New] 
[12:31] <TheMuso> RAOF: CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
[01:32] <TheMuso> asac: I worked out why firefox-granparadiso FTBFS on PowerPC if you are interested.
[01:33] <asac> TheMuso: please join #ubuntu-mozillateam
[01:33] <asac> TheMuso: i am not the only one working on these :)
[01:34] <TheMuso> asac: Sure.
[02:08] <zul> morning
[02:09] <fernando> moin all
[02:17] <dholbach> RAOF: ROCK ON
[02:17] <dholbach> hey fernando
[02:18] <fernando> hey dholbach, how are you?
[02:19] <dholbach> good good - how are YOU?
[02:19] <fernando> good too, thanks
[02:21] <zul> hey dholbach
[02:21] <dholbach> hey zul
[02:21] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[02:21] <zul> good older by a year
[02:22] <dholbach> HAPPY BIRTHDAY Chuck!
[02:22] <zul> thanks
[02:24] <norsetto> afternoon gents
[02:24] <deadwill> mornin' all!
[02:24] <deadwill> o/
[02:24] <norsetto> deadwill: I said afternoon! :-)
[02:25] <deadwill> hey norsetto ;)
[02:25] <deadwill> @now sao paulo
[02:25] <ubotu> Current time in America/Sao_Paulo: September 05 2007, 09:25:43 - Current meeting: Edubuntu
[02:26] <\sh> congrats zul :) how old are you now? :)
[02:26] <zul> 32 now offically past my prime
[02:27] <\sh> so I'm not alone in the old years ;)
[02:27] <ScottK> Whiny youngster.
[02:28] <\sh> norsetto, what? /me is 36, looking like 62 and feeling like 18 ,)
[02:28] <StevenK> Many happy returns zul
[02:29] <norsetto> \sh: :-D
[02:37] <RAOF> Woot!
[02:37] <RAOF> Thanks guys!
[02:37] <ScottK> Congratulations RAOF
[02:38] <ajmitch> RAOF: took you long enough :P
[02:38] <RAOF> Heh, yes.
[02:38] <zul> hey ajmitch
[02:38] <ajmitch> hello
[02:38] <RAOF> And now, to celebrate, I'll go and spend some time with my partner :)
[02:38] <ajmitch> heh
[02:38] <ajmitch> and now I'll go & sleep
[02:39] <ajmitch> night all
[02:39] <StevenK> RAOF: Congrats!
[02:39] <StevenK> Night ajmitch
[02:39] <RAOF> Night ajmitch
[02:39] <StevenK> RAOF: Join u-u-s!
[02:40] <RAOF> Oh, I suppose I'll need to work out how to actually upload :)
[02:40] <StevenK> Do you have something to upload?
[02:41] <ScottK> RAOF: Remember how you dput revu ....  Just leave out the revu part...  (and don't mess up).
[02:41] <ScottK> Or fix it when you do....
[02:41] <RAOF> ScottK: Heh, indeed.
[02:42] <RAOF> Xgl is probably ready to upload.
[02:43] <ScottK> And if you get stuck trying to fix something, just point nixternal at it and tell him it would be "a good learning experience".
[02:43] <StevenK> It seems Xgl trumps RAOF spending time with his partner.
[02:43] <RAOF> Nah, she's here now :)
[02:44] <TheMuso> RAOF: You deserve it.
[02:44] <StevenK> Does that make her RAS - Running Around Smouldering ?
[02:46] <StevenK> You should be afraid of any script that first calls 'export VISUAL="/bin/ed"'
[02:46] <RAOF> A hearty good night all!  :D
[02:46] <StevenK> Night RAOF
[02:46] <TheMuso> Night RAOF.
[02:59] <soren> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lighttpd/+bug/137456 if you please?
[02:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137456 in lighttpd "[UVFe]  New upstream version of lighttpd fixes security issues" [Undecided,New] 
[03:00] <ScottK> Sure.
[03:01] <soren> Rock. Thanks.
[03:01] <ScottK> soren: Done.  We (as in somebody other than me) ought to prepare -security updates with patches from the new version for Dapper/Edgy/Feisty.
[03:02] <ScottK> Any MOTU hopefuls around that would like to get some experience with patching for security updates?
[03:03] <soren> ScottK: Oh, I'm on it.
[03:03] <soren> Don't worry.
[03:03] <ScottK> Cool.
[03:10] <xhaker> "Hi. Anyone here willing to help remove a bashism in a package?"
[03:10] <xhaker> http://pastebin.com/m2e824844
[03:13] <ScottK> It's been a while since I fired up my Feisty hard drive.  Only 74 package updates.
[03:15] <sladen> xhaker:  for f in "$UDEVFILES" ; do cp -a "echo '$f' | `sed -e 's/libmtp$(SOVERSION)/libmtp/g'`" "$f" ; done
[03:16] <ScottK> xhaker: This would be an example of why asking the same questions on multiple channels isn't the best idea.
[03:28] <xhaker> ScottK, it wasn't a bad idea
[03:29] <xhaker> i learnt 3 ways of doing almost the same thing
[03:29] <xhaker> i rather call it a good thing
[03:29] <ScottK> From your perspective sure, but how many people answered your question and invested their time in helping you solve a problem that you had already solved.
[03:29] <xhaker> 2
[03:29] <ScottK> If you don't mind wasting other people's time, I'd agree with you.
[03:33] <pkern> May I subscribe ubuntu-motu on bugs like #137513? Or is ubuntu-bugs sufficient?
[03:35] <ScottK> pkern: Don't subscribe ubuntu-motu on bugs.
[03:35] <dholbach> pkern: ubuntu-bugs is subscribed automatically
[03:36] <dholbach> pkern: but you can subscribe 'motu', if you like - its bugmails will go to universe-bugs
[03:36] <dholbach> although I'm currently working on getting all universe bugmails to universe-bugs@ automatically
[03:37] <pkern> dholbach: Ok.
[03:37] <dholbach> can somebody create a new account for me on REVU?
[03:37] <dholbach> it seems to have been deleted(?)
[03:37] <dholbach> or somebody please archive empathy
[03:38] <ScottK> I'll archive it.
[03:38] <dholbach> thanks Scott
[03:38] <ScottK> Done
[03:38] <dholbach> rock on
[03:39] <dholbach> pkern: I think what ScottK meant was not to subscribe 'ubuntu-dev' (ScottK: am I right?)
[03:39] <deadwill> hey dholbach
[03:39] <dholbach> we should document what those teams are for somewhere
[03:39] <dholbach> hey deadwill
[03:39] <dholbach> there's too much you simply have to learn by osmosis
[03:40] <ScottK> dholbach: I wasn't aware that there was any team for universe package bugs that people should be subscribing bugs to.
[03:41] <dholbach> ScottK: as a preventive measure we set the mail address for the motu team to universe-bugs@lists - unfortunately that's the only way to get bugs to show up on universe-bugs@
[03:41] <dholbach> that's plainly wrong and I'm currently talk to somebody who'll hopefully fix it
[03:41] <dholbach> so we don't have to subscribe motu anywhere
[03:42] <ScottK> OK.  I guess most bugs against universe packages aren't subscribed anywhere in particular, so I don't see any point in subscribing some random fraction of them.
[03:42] <ScottK> It either ought to be done automatically or don't bother.
[03:42] <dholbach> right
[03:44] <ScottK> Would someone please download the current source for commit-tool and try to debuild the source package in either Feisty or Gutsy.
[03:44] <dholbach> ScottK: amd64 gutsy ok?
[03:44] <ScottK> Sure.
[03:44] <ScottK> It's the source package I can't build, so it shouldn't matter.
[03:44] <dholbach> builds fine
[03:45] <ScottK> Argh.
[03:45] <dholbach> I ran     fakeroot apt-get source -b commit-tool     - is this what you wanted me to do?
[03:45] <ScottK> That should do it.
[03:46] <dholbach> yeah, that worked fine
[03:46] <norsetto> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=206 is available for review
[03:46] <ScottK-laptop> The error I get is:
[03:46] <ScottK-laptop> debian/rules:6: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such file or directory
[03:46] <ScottK-laptop> And I looked and the file isn't there.
[03:47] <dholbach> do you have quilt installed?
[03:47] <StevenK> ScottK-laptop: Missing Build dep on cdbs?
[03:47] <StevenK> Ah, quilt
[03:47] <StevenK> % dpkg -S /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk
[03:47] <StevenK> quilt: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk
[03:47] <ScottK-laptop> Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.27-1), quilt
[03:48] <ScottK-laptop> Looks like quilt not installed is my problem.
[03:48] <StevenK> Using pbuilder, aren't you?
[03:49] <ScottK-laptop> This is for the source package.
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <ScottK-laptop> I built it before on another install, so I must have installed quilt on that one.
[03:49] <ScottK-laptop> Heya bddebian
[03:49] <ScottK-laptop> leonel: Do you use lighttpd?
[03:50] <ScottK-laptop> works fine once I install quilt.
[03:51] <bddebian> Ahh, what to break today...
[03:51] <ScottK-laptop> display-config-gtk has lots of bugs.
[03:52] <bddebian> Mmmm coffee
[03:54] <ScottK> Thanks for the suggestions.
[03:55] <leonel> ScottK:  no I don't use   but is there any thing I can test  ?
[03:56] <ScottK> There is a new upstream update with security fixes in it and soren might want some help testing once packages are done for Dapper/Edgy/Feisty.
[03:56] <ScottK> He may even want some assistance doing them.
[04:04] <leonel> ScottK:  let me check  those bugs ..
[04:05] <ScottK> soren: leonel has done a very good job cherry-picking clamav bugs out for feisty-security updates.
[04:08] <Amaranth_> hmm, i wonder if i should apply for MOTU
[04:08] <soren> ScottK: No need.
[04:08] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.  He's also good at testing if you need that.
[04:09] <soren> leonel: I'm all over the lighttpd update. You don't need to do it.
[04:09] <soren> ScottK: Yeah, that might be good.
[04:11] <geser> Hi bddebian
[04:11] <Amaranth> RAOF: dude you should totally sponsor me ;)
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya geser
[04:13] <Hobbsee> RAOF: well done!
[04:17] <Amaranth> can packages in main count toward getting motu?
[04:17] <Amaranth> because i think that's all i have... :P
[04:17] <xhaker> haha.. touche Amaranth
[04:17] <ScottK> Sure, but then you get quizzed about are you just doing MOTU as a stepping stone to core-dev or do you want to do work in Universe too.
[04:18] <\sh> RAOF, congrats btw :)
[04:18] <Amaranth> ScottK: both? :)
[04:18] <ScottK> That's fine, just be ready with a good answer.
[04:19] <Amaranth> "I want to work on compiz and gnome stuff so I need to be a MOTU so I can be core-dev"? :)
[04:19] <StevenK> Don't say that.
[04:19] <Amaranth> hehe
[04:19] <\sh> Amaranth, so you want to destroy my desktop and give me a text console again? ok for me ,-)
[04:20] <Amaranth> there are like 2 packages in universe i care about although i suppose if there was less hassle involved i might do some other low-hanging fruit stuff
[04:21] <Amaranth> the other packages that i cared about in universe went to main
[04:22] <leonel> soren: ok   if you want me to test  something   just let me know
[04:23] <StevenK> Amaranth: So you don't really care about making universe better?
[04:23] <bddebian> :'-(
[04:24] <Amaranth> StevenK: Only if I can upload svn snapshots of bling stuff ;)
[04:24] <StevenK> That makes universe more crackful, as opposed to better.
[04:24] <Amaranth> RAOF can do it :P
[04:25] <Amaranth> StevenK: nah, i'm very careful
[04:25] <Amaranth> StevenK: guy just takes forever to do a release
[04:26] <\sh> Amaranth, I thought you were already a MOTU...you are there since I started (or my brain is deprecated)
[04:26] <Amaranth> \sh: I probably have been
[04:27] <Amaranth> \sh: they said the same thing when i applied for membership :P
[04:27] <bddebian> Do be do be dooo
[04:28] <Amaranth> btw, if you ever see an app using python-reverend, run
[04:28] <\sh> what is it?
[04:29] <Amaranth> bayesian classifier module for python
[04:29] <ScottK> It's a bayesian classifier currently sitting in NEW.
[04:29] <Amaranth> i based the stuff in willowng on it
[04:29] <Amaranth> it's out of new, it just popped up in synaptic
[04:29] <ScottK> Ah
[04:29] <Amaranth> but for 'storage' it pickles the current dictionary of tokens and writes it to a file
[04:30] <Amaranth> i ripped all that out and made it use sqlite in my copy
[04:30] <ScottK> Sounds better.
[04:30] <Amaranth> so it's very interesting but it doesn't scale at all
[04:30] <Amaranth> and i didn't think it was even maintained
[04:31] <ScottK> We have all kinds of unmaintained crack here in Universe.
[04:31] <bddebian> Nooo
[04:31] <ScottK> Speaking of crack maintainers ....
[04:31] <StevenK> ScottK: "dealers"
[04:31] <bddebian> :'-(
[04:31] <StevenK> :-P
[04:32] <Amaranth> http://divmod.org:81/svn/Divmod/trunk/Reverend/reverend/thomas.py
[04:32] <Amaranth> bleh
[04:32] <ScottK> It's possible that I meant crack as in "they were a unit a crack soldiers sent on a difficult mission."
[04:33] <zul> or its more fun to torment people
[04:33] <Amaranth> i did it in an evil way though since python-reverend wasn't in ubuntu at the time (and i wasn't motu ;)
[04:33] <Amaranth> would be better to replace the BayesData class
[04:34] <Amaranth> oh, that's what i did :)
[04:35] <bddebian> Should I even keep on the FTBFS list?
[04:36] <ScottK> bddebian: Yes.
[04:37] <bddebian> Why?  Talk about broken shit :-)
[04:38] <ScottK> It's less broken after you get done with it than before.
[04:39] <bddebian> Both ;-P
[04:39] <bddebian> Oh, I misread that, nm
[04:42] <bddebian> I really should get some "pet" packages :)
[04:42] <soren> lionel: Will do. Thanks!
[04:43] <lionel> soren: s/lionel/leonel/ :)
[04:44] <bmm> Hi everybody. Is there anybody who can tell me something about gnome-keyring-cli or gnome-keyring-sharp? (why was it removed, what is happening with it?)
[04:45] <soren> lionel: Oh, right. :) Sorry.
[04:45] <soren> leonel: Will do. Thanks!
[04:45] <lionel> soren: no problem :)
[04:47] <geser> bmm: I can only point you to the Debian bug #392427
[04:47] <ubotu> Debian bug 392427 in ftp.debian.org "RM: gnome-keyring-sharp -- RoM; obsolete" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/392427
[04:47] <bmm> geser: yeah, saw that. But I was interested in getting banter running (a C# chat client with video/audio support)
[04:48] <\sh> bddebian, thx for taking care of openmash bug
[04:48] <bmm> geser: then I found out that the keyring-sharp was removed, but keyring-cli might still be alive some how. I'll just mail the developer of the package/comment on the bug and see what happens.
[04:48] <bmm> geser: thanks!
[04:49] <bddebian> \sh: No, THANK YOU :-)
[04:51] <deadwill> hey bddebian
[04:51] <bddebian> Hi deadwill
[04:51] <zul> bddebian: can you do me a favour can you do a quick review of http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=189 toute suite? thanks
[04:54] <bddebian> zul: Sure, give me a few minute
[04:54] <bddebian> +s
[05:03] <norsetto> ScottK: I have uploaded the package in bug 137390 to mentors.debian.net, just in case its not in time before beta freeze; at least if this is accepted in Debian we can always sync it later.
[05:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137390 in rt2500 "rt2500 configuration utility replacement" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137390
[05:08] <Hobbsee> #launchpad tends to be the channel about ppas, though
[05:08] <mok0> Hobbsee: OK, shall we meet there?
[05:08] <bddebian> zul: dkms?
[05:08] <zul> yep
[05:08] <bddebian> OK
[05:09] <Hobbsee> mok0: sure
[05:10] <bddebian> Hmm, is it supposed to be a native package?
[05:10] <zul> bddebian: i think so
[05:10] <bddebian> OK
[05:21] <mcquaid> i am enquiring about a strange dep.  I wanted to install xmame and a frontend kxmame.
[05:21] <bddebian> Ugh, uclibc is another mess :-(
[05:21] <mcquaid> but kxmame requires sdl-mame.  I thought kind of annoying as I don't want that mame but oh well
[05:22] <mcquaid> so now i have sdl-mame and kxmame installed, and I went to install xmame and it flags kxmame for removal
[05:22] <mcquaid> i can't see the reason for that, it seems like a nonsensical dependency.
[05:23] <wrecked> hi, are motu-tools available some where other than the tauware server? its down.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> in bzr
[05:24] <mcquaid> ideally, the frontend shouldn't require any version of mame.  say one wanted to compile the latest mame but still wanted to use the packaged frontend
[05:24] <wrecked> Hobbsee is there another URL for it?
[05:25] <bddebian> I wish sdlmame had made it in :'-(
[05:25] <bddebian> zul: Done but it needs some work :-(
[05:25] <zul> bddebian: i saw thanks
[05:25] <mcquaid> what do you mena sdlmame made it in?
[05:25] <bddebian> It did not make it in for Gutsy :(
[05:26] <mcquaid> you mean the latest or it's not in gutsy at all?
[05:26] <bddebian> sdlmame is not in gutsy at all afaik
[05:27] <bddebian> xmame still is
[05:27] <mcquaid> hmm, is xmame-sdl and sdlmame not one in the same?
[05:28] <bddebian> I don't think so.  I think sdlmame is a total re-write but I could be incorrect in that
[05:28] <mcquaid> ah ok
[05:29] <mcquaid> i don't want to use xmame-sdl as it doesn't have a screen stretch option so games with weird res do not take up the whole screen
[05:29] <mcquaid> so i wanted to try xmame to see if xv or the opengl one did. but then it flags kxmame for removal, which doesn't make sense
[05:30] <bddebian> Is kmame only compatible with the sdl version?  I don't know.
[05:30] <mcquaid> no it's compatible with all vesions of xmame
[05:30] <bddebian> Hmm, strange indeed
[05:31] <mcquaid> ya so i came here, as it's in motu.
[05:31] <mcquaid> btw, i never understood why xmame couldn't support xv,sdl, opengl, dga etc instead of separate pkgs for each
[05:31] <mcquaid> well they seem to have consolidated xv/opengl
[05:32] <proppy> hi, I've a question about syncing Debian unstable during freeze
[05:33] <proppy> Since now gusty is in freeze, where do I request sync from debian unstable to gusty+1 ?
[05:33] <proppy> do I have to wait for gusty publication ?
[05:33] <bddebian> Yes and most packages will get synced automagically once Hardy opens anyway
[05:33] <bddebian> mcquaid: That's probably an upstream question, I don't know, sorry
[05:34] <proppy> bddebian: thanks
[05:34] <proppy> bddebian: and feisty backport will appear only when gusty is out ?
[05:35] <bddebian> Hmm, not sure on that.  I would assume that there is a feisty-backport already but I might be wrong
[05:35] <proppy> woot, gusty synced automagically our debian/unstable package !
[05:35] <proppy> 1 month ago it was still outdated
[05:37] <bddebian> proppy: What package?
[05:37] <proppy> python-poker-network (source: poker-network)
[05:37] <proppy> I was worried cause I missed gusty freeze
[05:37] <proppy> without requesting a sync
[05:38] <proppy> but it seems the universe archive automagically synced it
[05:38] <bddebian> Ah, it failed to build.  What version?
[05:38] <proppy> god bless MOTU
[05:38] <proppy> 1.1.1-1ubuntu1
[05:38] <mcquaid> bddebian, what exactly is mean by an upstream question?
[05:39] <proppy> bddebian: does it ?
[05:40] <bddebian> proppy: Not sure, it shows up on the FTBFS list but the binaries are there.  I'll check it in a few minutes
[05:41] <bddebian> mcquaid: I mean you would have to ask either the Debian maintainer or the xmame upstream developers
[05:41] <mcquaid> ah
[05:41] <mcquaid> ok thx
[05:46] <mcquaid> bddebian, and ya you were right sdlmame is new, as xmame is dead.  I haven't followed mame in awhile
[05:46] <bddebian> Me either but I thought sdlmame looked cool :)
[05:47] <mcquaid> and i read kxmame supports the new sdlmame.  all the more reason it shouldn't have a hard requirement of xmame-sdl, it should just suggest
[05:48] <proppy> ScottK: ping
[05:51] <ScottK> Pong
[05:52] <ScottK> proppy: ^^
[05:52] <proppy> ScottK: context https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poker-network/+bug/131670
[05:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131670 in poker-network "Please merge poker-network-1.1.1-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[05:52] <proppy> ScottK: I'm looking forward applying your fix upstream
[05:53] <proppy> ScottK: once the patch applied what is the procedure, request a Merge ?
[05:53] <ScottK> proppy: Are you wanting to do it via Debian or directly with Ubuntu?
[05:54] <proppy> ScottK: I thought via Debian was the only way
[05:54] <ScottK> Right now Debian ships their debian/control and a debian/control.feisty.
[05:55] <proppy> yep, I was about to commit your patch in debian/control.gusty
[05:55] <ScottK> Most of what I did was apply the changes in debian/control.feisty to debian/control in the Ubuntu revision (IIRC).
[05:55] <proppy> oh ok
[05:56] <ScottK> The ideal thing would be to have a debian/control that works in both Debian and Ubuntu.
[05:56] <ScottK> Then we could just sync it.
[05:56] <proppy> oh ok
[05:56] <proppy> I see
[05:56] <proppy> so your ubuntu.patch is
[05:56] <proppy> diff control control.gusty
[05:56] <proppy> ?
[05:56] <ScottK> In the Ubuntu revision, it's just debian/control
[05:57] <ScottK> You can approach this one of three ways:
[05:57] <ScottK> 1.  Write a debian/control that will work without change in both Debian and Ubuntu (this is preferred).
[05:58] <ScottK> 2.  Submit your changes to Debian as you have and then we merge the Ubuntu changes here.
[05:58] <ScottK> 3.  Maje your Ubuntu package separate and maintain it separately.
[05:58] <ScottK> MajeMake
[05:59] <ScottK> Right now we are in upstream version freeze for Gutsy, so even if you released a new version it wouldn't get into Gutsy without a really good reason.
[05:59] <proppy> yep I see
[05:59] <proppy> The version we are looking to publish today
[05:59] <ScottK> My suggestion would be look at what's working for Ubuntu and Debian and see if you can come up with a single debian/control that works for both.
[05:59] <proppy> fix a crashing bug
[06:00] <proppy> but this can wait gusty+1 i guess
[06:00] <ScottK> For that, there's another option.
[06:00] <ScottK> From the current Ubuntu package, make a new Ubuntu revision (IIRC 1.1.1-1ubuntu2 it would probably be).
[06:01] <ScottK> File a bug in Launchpad and attach a debdiff.
[06:01] <ScottK> With the patch for the fix.
[06:01] <proppy> ok
[06:01] <ScottK> Patch fixes like that can still be gotten in quite easily.
[06:01] <proppy> nice
[06:02] <proppy> And if we publish these changes
[06:02] <proppy> in debian afterwars
[06:02] <ScottK> For the longer term, if you could work option 1 above, then when Gutsy +1 opens, we can sync over the Ubuntu unique package and then it will be auto synced from Debian after that.
[06:02] <proppy> it will be merged in the next release cycle
[06:02] <ScottK> Right
[06:03] <proppy> so
[06:04] <proppy> for From the current Ubuntu package, make a new Ubuntu revision (IIRC 1.1.1-1ubuntu2 it would probably be)
[06:04] <proppy> i should apt-get source the current package in gusty
[06:04] <proppy> applying this patch http://pokersource.info/developers/bugs/sr1682/chroot/usr/src/fix.double.initDisplay.patch
[06:04] <ScottK> Yes.
[06:04] <proppy> debchange -i
[06:05] <proppy> and regenerate the package
[06:05] <ScottK> I don't recall.  Does the package have a patch system already?
[06:05] <proppy> and forward the diff to a bug report
[06:05] <ScottK> then debdiff and attach that to a bug.
[06:05] <ScottK> Yes.
[06:06] <proppy> no patch system yet
[06:06] <ScottK> OK.  Ideally you would add that too.
[06:06] <proppy> cdbs based btw
[06:06] <proppy> in the ubuntu debdiff ?
[06:06] <ScottK> It's easy enough to add the patch system and use cdbs-edit-patch to make the patch then.
[06:06] <ScottK> Yes
[06:07] <ScottK> Once it's done, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug and one of the MOTUs will upload it.
[06:08] <proppy> cdbs-edit-patch will generate a debdiff in debian/patch ircc
[06:09] <proppy> iirc
[06:09] <proppy> I'll look for wiki page for it
[06:10] <proppy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources?action=show&redirect=MOTU%2FHowToPatch
[06:10] <ScottK> It'll generate the patch file in debian/patches.
[06:10] <ScottK> Yes.  THat's the one
[06:11] <proppy> ok
[06:11] <proppy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources?highlight=%28patch%29 duplicate ?
[06:11] <proppy> cdbs embed its own patch system ?
[06:11] <proppy> iirc
[06:11] <proppy> so I don't have to change dependencies since the package already build-dep cdbs
[06:12] <ScottK> You do have to add some stuff to debian/rules.
[06:13] <proppy> so I will have to provide a single debdiff that include the patch system and the patch file in debian/patch directory
[06:13] <proppy> If I understand correctly
[06:14] <ScottK> Yes.  Just make the new package and the debdiff poker-network-1.1.1-1ubuntu1.dsc poker-network-1.1.1-1ubuntu2.dsc > patchname
[06:14] <bddebian> Don't you have to include simple-patch-sys or dpatch.mk?
[06:14] <ScottK> You have to include simple patch sys.
[06:15] <AndyP_> hm, tail
[06:15] <proppy> where I can find  /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gusty
[06:15] <proppy> ?
[06:16] <bddebian> Heya AndyP
[06:16] <ScottK> proppy: Are you running Ubuntu or Debian?
[06:16] <AndyP> hey bddebian
[06:16] <proppy> ScottK: feisty
[06:16] <AndyP> so um, did someone break archive.ubuntu.com while i was gone?
[06:16] <proppy> I'm looking doing the works you've highlighted in a chroot
[06:17] <ScottK> If you install the debootstrap package from feisty-backports you should be able to get a gutsy chroot set up.
[06:17] <ScottK> As you should.
[06:17] <ScottK> That or build it in pbuilder which would need the same package.
[06:18] <proppy> feisty-backport is up ?
[06:18] <proppy> cool
[06:18] <bddebian> AndyP: I've been trying my best ;-)
[06:19] <proppy> just have to uncomment it in the source.list
[06:19] <AndyP> bddebian: heh, no i mean it doesn't seem to be pingable
[06:19] <ScottK> proppy: I don't recommend installing everything in that repository.
[06:19] <ScottK> The HAL upgrade in particular was problematic for me.
[06:21] <proppy> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36452/
[06:21] <proppy> proppy@nekun:/var/chroot$ sudo debootstrap gusty gusty E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gusty
[06:21] <proppy> Am i doing something wrong ?
[06:22] <AndyP> gusty -> gutsy somwhere? :)
[06:22] <proppy> :)
[06:22] <proppy> ahah
[06:22] <proppy> thanks
[06:22] <AndyP> dinner time
[06:30] <Lutin> dholbach: around ?
[06:37] <norsetto> Lutin: he is everywhere ......
[06:38] <Lutin> norsetto: lol
[06:38] <proppy> root@nekun:/usr/src/poker-network-1.1.1/debian# cdbs-edit-patch 00-fix-double-initdisplay.patch
[06:38] <proppy> /usr/bin/cdbs-edit-patch: 30: dh_testdir: not found
[06:38] <proppy> any idea ?
[06:38] <Lutin> apt-get install debhelper ?
[06:38] <proppy> thanks
[06:39] <proppy> builddeb helps too :)
[06:40] <\sh> re
[06:45] <bddebian> Why the hell did the uclibc maintainer copy the linux header files into the builddir?
[06:45] <krisx> is it really feasable for a  nondeveloper  with no programming experience to become a motu
[06:45] <bddebian> Sure, that'd be me :-)
[06:47] <pkern> Tedious ;-p
[06:48] <krisx> ive just know a few terminal commands and am very much a linux noob on been using it for year
[06:48] <\sh> grmpf...why are people sometimes really stupid?
[06:48] <\sh> how can you compare apt with rpm...
[06:49] <krisx> but i sure like linux
[06:49] <pkern> \sh: yum'my...
[06:49] <\sh> pkern, sure, we are smart enough ;)
[06:50] <ScottK> \sh favorably.
[06:51] <\sh> I mean you can compare dpkg with rpm, or apt with yum/smart/zypper whatever...but not apt with rpm or dpkg with yum..
[06:51] <pkern> \sh: Perhaps it's about getting the job done. Looking for RPMs on the net in the pre-yum times and installing them vs. a simple apt-get.
[06:53] <\sh> pkern, well, it's a new comparison ;)
[06:53] <zul> krisx: sure you can start off by triaging bugs or writing documentation
[06:53] <\sh> pkern, http://ubuntu.blog.de/2007/09/05/rpm_vs_apt~2928214 (german)
[07:11] <\sh> what is the correct way to file a sync request, when a new version fixes ftbfs bugs in ubuntu now?
[07:13] <geser> \sh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess (don't forget the UVFe if necessary)
[07:14] <\sh> geser, yepp..
[07:15] <geser> if the changelog on packages.d.o knows already about the new version, you can also use "requestsync -s pkgname gutsy" (with requestsync from devscripts in gutsy)
[07:25] <\sh> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=434116
[07:25] <ubotu> Debian bug 434116 in avscan "avscan - FTBFS: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type" [Serious,Fixed] 
[07:25] <\sh> geser: was for you
[07:26] <\sh> geser, and today we are at revision -2 for avscan, because of nostrip handling :)
[07:27] <\sh> hmm..are we still using winehq as upstream for wine, or did we switch to debian?
[07:31] <\sh> this is really evil
[07:34] <ScottK> \sh: There's an update pending on REVU, but no UVFe filed.
[07:34] <ScottK> It's the same package I asked you to look at.
[07:35] <\sh> argl...
[07:36] <\sh> ScottK, give me a sec, hopefully scott r. wasn't so nasty and put an -m32 build of all libs of wine-deps
[07:37] <\sh> like debian did
[07:40] <\sh> ScottK, phew...
[07:40] <\sh> I knew that mr. ritchie is not nasty ;)
[07:41] <ScottK> Maybe you would do the UVFe for him since he doesn't seem inclined....
[07:41] <\sh> he  did the right thing with 32bit windows on amd64
[07:41] <\sh> the only thing I don't like is the package structure
[07:43] <\sh> ScottK, you are DD right? I would like to discuss this package with you (or with anyone who has knowledge about debian/ubuntu)
[07:44] <ScottK> \sh: No.  I'm not a DD.  I'm not even a NM.
[07:44] <\sh> ScottK, but you know a lot :) so you are the right person...
[07:44] <ScottK> \sh: I'm good at not opening my mouth unless I know something.  That's not the same thing as knowing a lot.
[07:45] <proppy> ScottK: bug report posted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poker-network/+bug/137573
[07:45] <\sh> as far as I know our amd64 release is handling the libs like this: /usr/lib <- native 64bit libs, /usr/lib32 <- 32bit (-m32) compiled libs on amd64
[07:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137573 in poker-network "poker2d crash (SIGSEGV) at startup" [Undecided,New] 
[07:45] <proppy> ScottK: has you suggested
[07:45] <ScottK> proppy: Did you subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to ghe bug?
[07:46] <proppy> yep
[07:46] <proppy> Ubuntu Sponsors for universe team has been subscribed to this bug.
[07:46] <ScottK> \sh: Honestly I do not know a thing about that.  I'm sorry.
[07:46] <ScottK> proppy: Great.  It'll get looked at for upload then.
[07:46] <ScottK> That should be all you have to do unless someone wants you to revise the debdiff.  Thanks for contributing.
[07:46] <proppy> ScottK: thanks a lot
[07:46] <ScottK> No problem.
[07:47] <\sh> hmm....has anyone a amd64 machine handy with a pbuilder or something else I could use to test something?
[07:47] <proppy> ScottK: Is there a way to suscribre pokersource-users@gna.org to all the bug related to poker-network poker-eval packages ?
[07:47] <proppy> via launchpad
[07:47] <ScottK> Yes.
[07:47] <proppy> cause I noticed that there is a lot of issue
[07:48] <proppy> that were reported on launchpad
[07:48] <proppy> and we (the upstream) were not aware of these
[07:48] <ScottK> There is a place called bugmail settings.  Click there and you can set yourself as bug contact for the packages.
[07:50] <proppy> oh ok
[07:50] <proppy> i can't suscribe a mailing list
[07:50] <proppy> but suscribing me is ok
[07:51] <proppy> I will forward the bug to the list
[07:51] <ScottK> It'll be whatever e-mail address you gave Launchpad when you set up your account.
[07:51] <proppy> yep but the mailing list is moderated
[07:52] <ScottK> Right.  That end of the problem I can't help you with.
[07:52] <proppy> :)
[07:52] <\sh> ScottK, do you know scott ritchies nickname on freenode?
[07:52] <ScottK> No.  Sorry.
[07:52] <proppy> ScottK: yep I can't neither i don't have the necessary accesses
[07:52] <proppy> :)
[07:53] <proppy> ScottK: thanks a lot for the information you provided to me, I guess I understand ubuntu process better now
[07:53] <ScottK> You're welcome.  Thanks for showing up to contribute.
[07:54] <\sh> mr_pouit, ping
[07:54] <mr_pouit> \sh: pong
[07:54] <\sh> mr_pouit, reading bug 137566, please reject it
[07:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137566 in wine "[sync request]  Please sync wine from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137566
[07:55] <\sh> mr_pouit, it's painful..what debian did..
[07:55] <mr_pouit> Moreover, scott Ritchie is working on it, isn't he?
[07:56] <mr_pouit> \sh: ok, I'll reject it
[07:56] <astrogirl2> oye packaging 101 is mind numbumbly tedious
[07:56] <ScottK> mr_pouit: There is a proposed package from him on REVU.
[07:56] <mr_pouit> ok
[07:57] <ScottK> It needs a UVFe before it gets looked at though and he doesn't seem inclined to do the paperwork.
[08:00] <ScottK> astrogirl2: Nothing wrong with diving in and trying to fix stuff if that's more your style.
[08:05] <\sh> ScottK, I wouldn't approve this package anyways.
[08:05] <\sh> ScottK, it's better then debians but I'm not sure if it's the right way.
[08:05] <ScottK> \sh: OK.  Please let me know what your comments are and I'll post them on REVU.
[08:06] <\sh> ScottK, I'm writing an email to ubuntu-motu and scott personally...so everybody can discuss about and how we can fix it together
[08:06] <\sh> ScottK, if it's ok with you :)
[08:06] <Whoopie> Hi, anybody working on uswsusp package. The merge from debian removed usplash support.
[08:06] <ScottK> \sh: That'll work fine.
[08:06] <\sh> ScottK, cool...give me a few mins :)
[08:28] <\sh> ScottK, send
[08:29] <\sh> mr_pouit, do you think you can push wine 0.9.44 to gutsy, removing all 32bit on 64bit archs bits and pieces away?
[08:35] <vil> imbrandon, ping
[08:35] <imbrandon> pong
[08:36] <vil> imbrandon, hi
[08:36] <vil> imbrandon, I wanted to connecto to aurora.ubuntuwire.com
[08:36] <vil> after some time
[08:36] <imbrandon> *.ubuntuwire.com is down for the next while
[08:37] <vil> ok, thanks
[08:37] <\sh> imbrandon, what happend
[08:37] <imbrandon> \sh: i took down the servers that were running it for a bit
[08:38] <\sh> imbrandon, those are your community build servers, where someone can connect via ssh to them, right?
[08:38] <imbrandon> yes
[08:53] <paran> \sh: I think the most important thing is to get a 32bit wine into amd64. people wan't to run windows apps, and 99% of those is 32bit
[08:54] <\sh> paran, right...but there is a good way and there is bad way..debians package is a bad way, scotts way is more mature and follows ubuntu rules for package distribution.
[08:54] <\sh> paran, and thinking about system design is always important.
[08:55] <paran> yeah, off course. I really thing Scotts packages are best
[08:55] <\sh> paran, the other way around: people with amd64 could install 32bit ubuntu, because more software is running on 32bit linux ,)
[08:55] <calc> \sh: it is?
[08:56] <calc> the only thing i have noticed missing from 64bit linux is flash and that is a feature... ;)
[08:57] <paran> \sh: its just that I as a user would much prefer a 32bit wine with libraries in /usr/lib, than no wine, or a 64 bit wine that wont run anything
[08:57] <\sh> calc, gege
[08:59] <\sh> paran, regarding the user, this would be fine, regarding admins who are dealing with security, rollout and system design, it's not. Installation of those libs to /usr/lib32 is easy. it's just a cli swich to configure away...but you will run into problems for future releases, when win64 support is available...and something thinking about the future is more worth then having the lastest and amazing crack ;)
[09:00] <astrogirl2> lol
[09:00] <\sh> oh god, my english../me needs a new job in another country != germany
[09:03] <\sh> anyways...having a shower and cooking something for my wife...
[09:03] <\sh> cu tomorrow
[09:04] <paran> \sh_away: yes, but you cant worry about details for ever either. there have been working solutions for building 32bit wine on launchpad for a very long time now
[09:04] <alvinc> \sh_away, you are online?
[09:05] <DktrKranz> alvinc, just gone away
[09:05] <astrogirl2> 32 bit wine would sure be nice
[09:05] <alvinc> d'oh.  :(
[09:06] <astrogirl2> and 64 when its more mainstream in the future
[09:06] <paran> \sh_away: if I look at bug 43324 I only see you dismissing a 32bit wine on 64bit. you don't seem to understand that the 32bit version is what most people need :/
[09:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43324 in wine "There is no 64 bit package available." [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43324
[09:13] <astrogirl2> ok folks my hungover brain is killing me especially after going thru packaging 101 after being a windows button pusher most of my life
[09:13] <astrogirl2> you guys need  a linux mac pc commercial thta would be funny
[09:14] <astrogirl2> ok cya
[09:52] <MehdiHassanpour> hi motu
[09:52] <MehdiHassanpour> I would like to backport a package from Debian unstable to feisty
[09:53] <MehdiHassanpour> the package has "libgucharmap-dev" dep
[09:53] <MehdiHassanpour> but I found "libgucharmap6-dev" in feisty repos
[09:53] <MehdiHassanpour> what can I do now ?
[09:54] <LaserJock> ScottK: ping
[09:55] <ScottK> Pong
[09:55] <ScottK> LaserJock: ^^
[09:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: Heya
[09:57] <ScottK> MehdiHassanpour: Look at packages.ubuntu.com and see if the package exists in Gutsy.
[09:57] <ScottK> We only backport from Ubuntu repositories.
[09:58] <MehdiHassanpour> ScottK, Yep! I see the package in Gusty repositories
[09:58] <ScottK> OK.
[09:59] <ScottK> !backports | MehdiHassanpour
[09:59] <ubotu> MehdiHassanpour: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[10:00] <MehdiHassanpour> ScottK, should I backport libgucharmap-dev first?
[10:00] <ScottK> MehdiHassanpour: I really don't know.  Look at source package names and what packages are provided.  Odds are they are in the same source package and we backport by source packaage.
[10:01] <LaserJock> ScottK: do you have any good resources for somebody wanting to turn a python app into something packagable?
[10:02] <LaserJock> ScottK: like on using distutils and then turning that into a source package
[10:09] <LaserJock> hmm, where'd he go? :(
[10:09] <LaserJock> bddebian: hello
[10:10] <ScottK> LaserJock: on the phone
[10:10] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hello sir
[10:11] <ajmitch> good to see you back ;)
[10:11] <imbrandon> doh LaserJock there has been something i've been meanign to ask you for 2 days , and now your here i forget ;)
[10:11] <LaserJock> bah, I'm not here
[10:11] <bddebian> Hrmph, I never got that kind of welcome back.. :-)
[10:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: you don't publically leave
[10:11] <LaserJock> bddebian: that's because I'm not supposed to be here ;-)
[10:11] <bddebian> :)
[10:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock promised to not be on irc for 2 weeks
[10:12] <bddebian> I was gone for months.. :'-(
[10:12] <ajmitch> bddebian: you need to be a blogging celebrity like LaserJock
[10:12] <bddebian> heh
[10:12] <imbrandon> i was gone for months too and noone noticed heh
[10:12] <ScottK> LaserJock: If they have a good setup.py, it's dead easy with CDBS.
[10:13] <ajmitch> imbrandon: we noticed
[10:13] <ScottK> My pypolicyd-spf is a decent example.
[10:13] <imbrandon> err whats the command like mke2fs for ext3 ?
[10:13] <LaserJock> ScottK: got any good references on writing the setup.py?
[10:13] <ajmitch> imbrandon: mkfs.ext3?
[10:13] <ScottK> I've just used the distutils docs on python.org and cribbed from other examples.
[10:13] <ajmitch> though you may want the -j option
[10:14] <bddebian> Later ajmitch
[10:14] <ScottK> LaserJock: The distutils documentation is not terrific.
[10:14] <imbrandon> ajmitch: thanks, i can never rember it
[10:14] <ScottK> But between examples and the docs, it's not so hard.
[10:15] <LaserJock> cacaupt: got ScottK's suggestion?
[10:16] <cacaupt> yes, and if found a good example gdebi
[10:18] <cacaupt> gedebi has almost the same structure of my project
[10:19] <LaserJock> cacaupt: excellent
[10:20] <LaserJock> siretart: ping ping ring ring
[10:21] <siretart> LaserJock: uh?
[10:21] <LaserJock> siretart: I was talking with LP folks about how it looks like there's going to be a lot of support needs for PPA
[10:22] <LaserJock> I thought maybe a joint MOTU/LP "PPA and packaging 101" school session might be cool
[10:22] <siretart> sounds like a good idea
[10:22] <LaserJock> you have any time to help out with something like that?
[10:23] <siretart> we've done something like that under the 'MOTU School' banner in the past
[10:23] <siretart> depends. when do you want to schedule it?
[10:23] <LaserJock> yeah, similar thing, but more PPA specific
[10:23] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[10:23] <LaserJock> siretart: when could you make it?
[10:23] <LaserJock> I think it'd be at least next week sometime
[10:23] <LaserJock> I want to wait until cprov gets back from vacation
[10:25] <siretart> at least or earliest next week?
[10:25] <LaserJock> earliest
[10:25] <LaserJock> i.e. not this week
[10:28] <siretart> I don't want to promise something which I cannot hold. I've just returned home after a (too) busy buisness trip :/
[10:28] <Lamego> ** (/usr/lib/mono/2.0/gmcs.exe:27003): CRITICAL **: _wapi_shm_file_open: shared file [/root/.wapi
[10:29] <Lamego> any idea how to work around this building a mono app ?
[10:29] <LaserJock> siretart: k, I was just wondering since you're about the most experienced PPA'er these days ;-)
[10:29] <LaserJock> siretart: I wasn't meaning for you to do it by yourself either
[10:29] <LaserJock> I'll email launchpad-users and see what people think
[10:29] <imbrandon> LaserJock: superm1 is pretty versed in ppa's too
[10:30] <ScottK> Lamego: RAOF is the local mono addictec MOTU.
[10:30] <ScottK> additec/addicted
[10:30] <siretart> LaserJock: I think I should be able to help with preparation and stuff
[10:30] <Lamego> I hate mono :P
[10:30] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, he'd be good too
[10:30] <siretart> LaserJock: I'm just not sure if I can find 3h in a block for a live irc session
[10:30] <LaserJock> siretart: k, np
[10:36] <ajmitch> Lamego: yes, it's a standard thing mentioned in the debian mono policy
[10:37] <ajmitch> export MONO_SHARED_DIR=$(CURDIR)
[10:37] <ajmitch> in debian/rules
[10:37] <ajmitch> and in the clean rule:
[10:37] <Lamego> tks
[10:37] <ajmitch>         rm -rf $(MONO_SHARED_DIR)/.wapi
[10:37] <Lamego> building :)
[10:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: surely you've got enough wisdom to dispense as well?
[10:38] <Lamego> a pure mono app, is arch independent, right ?
[10:38] <ajmitch> yes
[10:39] <LaserJock> ajmitch: pfft, wisdom about what? "How do I take a vacation?"
[10:39] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:39] <ajmitch> like gfax is
[10:39] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hah
[10:39] <ajmitch> hm, I see soren is being brave
[10:39] <LaserJock> where?
[10:40] <ajmitch> MC list
[10:40] <ajmitch> going for core dev, if you wish to support his application
[10:41] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[10:41] <ajmitch> good (early) morning, TheMuso
[10:41] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Morning, I normally would be walking about now, but the rain is just a bit too heavy
[10:42] <bddebian> I should go for core deve again... Hahahahahahaha
[10:42] <LaserJock> bddebian: I think you could make it, you just need to have a reason for it
[10:43] <LaserJock> heck, if they let me in ....
[10:43] <bddebian> LaserJock: D00d, they pretty much laughed at me last time
[10:43] <LaserJock> no they didn't
[10:43] <ajmitch> they let *me* in, so anyone can do it
[10:43] <bddebian> Yes they did
[10:43] <LaserJock> they just didn't see the necessity
[10:43] <LaserJock> like for me, I said I needed it to work on Edubuntu
[10:43] <LaserJock> if you go and say, I need core-dev so I can work on ... Universe apps
[10:43] <LaserJock> that's not going to work
[10:44] <bddebian> What if I said: "I need it to be cool" would that work? :-)
[10:44] <LaserJock> maybe ;-)
[10:44] <ajmitch> no, they'd laugh & say that you were already beyond cool
[10:44] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, well you're already in
[10:44] <ajmitch> right?
[10:44] <LaserJock> exactly
[10:45] <LaserJock> MOTU dieties are already cool
[10:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, the TB would need to find a reason to kick me out
[10:45] <LaserJock> uber cool
[10:45] <ajmitch> since we can renew our membership ourselves
[10:45] <LaserJock> it's like getting your PhD
[10:45] <LaserJock> once you're in, you're in
[10:45] <ajmitch> in the money?
[10:45] <LaserJock> pfft, hardly
[10:45] <ajmitch> or just in debt? ;)
[10:45] <LaserJock> most likely the latter
[10:46] <LaserJock> I'll make less starting out with my PhD than I could have with my Bachelors
[10:46] <ajmitch> "I'm rolling in it! look at how many zeroes there are on that bank statement! just ignore the red colour"
[10:46] <LaserJock> lol
[10:47] <bddebian> hehe
[10:47] <LaserJock> hmm, I should write an email for soren
[10:47] <ajmitch> you should
[10:47] <LaserJock> "he plays a mean game of Mao"
[10:47] <ajmitch> and I suppose I should as well
[10:49] <bddebian> Bah I'm heading home.  Later folks
[10:49] <LaserJock> they should make playing Mao with Colin, iwj, Keybuk and Daniel Silverstone a requirement for core-dev ;-)
[10:49] <lifeless> hiya
[10:50] <LaserJock> ah, and lifeless too
[10:50] <tonyyarusso> Mao is a very bizarre game....
[10:50] <lifeless> anyone feeling like doing the UVF dance for bzr/bzrtools/bzr-gtk
[10:50] <lifeless> 0.90 really should go into gutsy
[10:50] <ajmitch> morning lifeless
[10:50] <lifeless> hi ajmitch LaserJock
[10:51] <ajmitch> you'll want to get the approval of ScottK & StevenK
[10:51] <lifeless> ScottK: StevenK: please approve
[10:52] <ScottK> lifeless: What bug #?
[10:52] <lifeless> I haven't filed a bug. I'm kinda insanely busy tracking down perf problems. Which is why I hoping someone would do the dance for us all :)
[10:53] <ScottK> Ah.  I'm kind of busy with paid work right now.  I'll be glad to ack it, but don't have time to put it together.
[10:53] <lifeless> ScottK: ok, thanks for approving.
[10:53] <lifeless> ajmitch: see, theres approval. :)
[10:53] <ScottK> Once it's filed.
[10:53] <ajmitch> of a vague enough sort :)
[10:54] <lifeless> ScottK: Yes, I got that precondition clearly.
[10:54] <ajmitch> ScottK: what do you need filed for it?
[10:54] <ScottK> ajmitch: Standard UVFe stuff.
[10:54] <alvinc> siretart, are you here?
[10:55] <ScottK> ajmitch: I'll ack it based on a bug number and lifeless says so, but for the 2nd ack, you might want the other stuff in there.
[10:55] <ajmitch> ScottK: so I take it that you'll review the whole diff then?
[10:55] <ScottK> No.
[10:55] <ScottK> A package diff isn't one of the UVFe items.
[10:56] <LaserJock> just a diffstat, no?
[10:57] <ScottK> diffstat, changelog diff, build log, install log, IIRC.
[10:58] <lifeless> its a new upstream version
[10:59] <superm1> LaserJock, you had some questions for me?
[10:59] <LaserJock> superm1: I'm thinking of having a joint MOTU/LP "PPA and packaging 101" school session
[11:00] <LaserJock> so I was seeing who might be interested in helping out
[11:00] <superm1> LaserJock, that would probably be a very good idea
[11:00] <superm1> LaserJock, sure, just need to pick a time when i'm free, and i'll be glad to help out
[11:00] <LaserJock> and since you've been doing lots of PPA work imbrandon mentioned you might be a good person to help out
[11:01] <superm1> yea, they have been quite useful to us while we're waiting for things to clear the archive admins
[11:01] <ScottK> LaserJock: I wasn't kidding earlier about reading the PPA terms of service.  I'm not sure encouraging people to use it is a great idea.
[11:02] <LaserJock> ScottK: well, we can tell people to read it carefully
[11:02] <LaserJock> but the are going to use it regardless
[11:02] <siretart> alvinc: sort of, but nearly asleep
[11:02] <LaserJock> so I'd at least like to head of some technical problems
[11:02] <deadwill> bye all
[11:02] <deadwill> o/
[11:02] <ScottK> I would encourage that because as written, a PPA user is liable for Canonical's legal bills if they get sued even if the user did nothing wrong.
[11:02] <alvinc> gotcha
[11:03] <alvinc> siretart, I was wanting to work on FAI a bit
[11:03] <alvinc> you and \sh_away are evidently the guys I need to talk to.  :)
[11:03] <siretart> ah, cool!
[11:03] <siretart> that's probably right
[11:03] <alvinc> FAI on Feisty is...  dicey at best.  I notice some incompatibilities in scripts, also some strange portmapper behaviour
[11:04] <siretart> you haven't filed bug #137511 by chance, have you?
[11:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137511 in fai "make-fai-nfsroot failes to create initramfs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137511
[11:04] <alvinc> I am really interested in having automated provisioning for Ubuntu.  I'd like to migrate away from Fedora-based distros
[11:04] <alvinc> lemme look at that one.
[11:04] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: have you sent any e-mails asking about that?
[11:04] <ScottK> I filed a bug about it.
[11:04] <siretart> I have the impression that there isn't really much work left to do on making fai work in ubuntu
[11:04] <siretart> but I don't really have a testsetup yet where I can test stuff
[11:04] <LaserJock> bug # 137447
[11:04] <alvinc> I didn't file it.  But I'm happy to work on it.  :)
[11:05] <siretart> which makes it quite difficult for me to test stuff
[11:05] <alvinc> My next step was to look at the 3.1.8 stuff from Etch and work backward from there
[11:05] <alvinc> Really?  We should get in touch in e-mail, then.  I have a Xen setup at home which I use, that I can pretty easily give you access too
[11:05] <siretart> I have the machine for fai in my office, but I had some other problems here
[11:05] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: Bug #137447
[11:05] <alvinc> Obviously your access is the speed of my broadband, but the installs themselves happen on my local network
[11:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137447 in soyuz "PPA Terms of Service one sided" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137447
[11:06] <siretart> yes, email would be best
[11:06] <siretart> are you working on gutsy or on feisty?
[11:06] <alvinc> feisty still, sir
[11:06] <alvinc> I'm trying to get a FAI setup at work, you see
[11:06] <siretart> TBH, I'd rather work on fai 3.2. even for feisty
[11:06] <LaserJock> ScottK: that's a pretty typical looking TOS
[11:06] <ScottK> I'm fairly certain that if I accepted those conditions and my insurance company found out, my liability insurance would get cancelled.
[11:06] <alvinc> Sounds good to me.  I can go hunt for the source for 3.2
[11:06] <siretart> perhaps we could create a fai team and use a team ppa for test packages
[11:07] <siretart> what do you think?
[11:07] <alvinc> Yeah, I think that would be good
[11:07] <siretart> I'd need a test archive anyway
[11:07] <ScottK> LaserJock: Not really as it doesn't require you to violate the terms of service to be liable.
[11:07] <siretart> ok. then let's continue this discussion via email, and I'll arrange team and ppa tomorrow, okay?
[11:07] <ScottK> You can do everything exactly right and still be liable.
[11:07] <alvinc> sounds great.  you should rest.  :)
[11:07] <LaserJock> ScottK: most TOSs I've seen do the same thing
[11:08] <siretart> thanks. good night!
[11:08] <alvinc> goodnight sir
[11:08] <ajmitch> Mem:   4052164k total,  3919548k used,   132616k free,    63664k buffers
[11:08] <ajmitch> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   280796k cached
[11:08] <ajmitch> sigh
[11:08] <ajmitch> need more ram
[11:09] <LaserJock> pfft
[11:09] <siretart>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[11:09] <siretart> Mem:      16320332   14074764    2245568          0     982056    8414804
[11:09] <ajmitch> siretart: yes, this is just my poor desktop box at home though :)
[11:10] <LaserJock> heh, my CMPC has 256MB
[11:10] <siretart> oh. I see :)
[11:10] <ajmitch> you could log into merkel & check that :)
[11:10] <siretart> that one was a sunray terminal server (running lenny)
[11:11] <ajmitch>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[11:11] <ajmitch> Mem:      50037520   49225776     811744          0    9440512   29298272
[11:11] <ajmitch> nice little debian box
[11:11] <lifeless> ScottK: actually, the bzr stuff is all just syncs; does that make it easier ?
[11:11] <siretart> good night!
[11:11] <ScottK> lifeless: If it's a new upstream version, no.
[11:11] <lifeless> ScottK: ok.
[11:13] <ajmitch> night siretart
[11:15] <PriceChild> I'm thinking quite far ahead... to hardy, when i'll be updating gizmod from 3.3 to 3.4... upstream have now changed it to use cmake... and I used to use cdbs for the packaging. I know that the kde4 packages use cdbs and currently have cmake.mk in the actual packaging so things play nice for them, however cmake.mk is GPL, which won't go with my apache'd gizmod and packaging... so I'm wondering whether there's any
[11:15] <PriceChild>  reason that file "couldn't" be in hardy... its been around some time and isn't in gutsy so scared of more work :P
[11:18] <ScottK> PriceChild: GPL which version?
[11:20] <PriceChild> *hits self*.... v3 is compatible again isn't it?! iirc its v2 or later at your discression *goes to look, excited*
[11:20] <PriceChild> up "version 2, or (at your option) any later version."
[11:22] <ScottK> That's how I understand it.
[11:22] <PriceChild> Thanks for that ScottK :)
[11:22] <PriceChild> Yeah I just checked http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html to make sure I wasn't dreaming.
[11:28] <Lamego> cmake.mk contains 76 lines of code, you can rewrite it :P
[11:28] <Lamego> without comments, 50
[11:33] <ScottK> Lamego: No need GPL v3 and ASF license are compatible.
[11:34] <Lamego> cmake.mk is not GPL3
[11:34] <Lamego> at least the version I have checked
[11:35] <ajmitch> correct, it's GPL 2 or later version
[11:35] <Lamego> well, it doesn't mention the version
[11:35] <ajmitch> which means it can be GPL 3
[11:36] <PriceChild> I'm happy now :)
[11:37] <PriceChild> except for the fact that I need to go through the program and check all the licensing again.... :P
[11:37] <ajmitch> Lamego: the cmake.mk that I've seen has the full gpl header stating version
[11:38] <PriceChild> I just apt-get source'd "kde4games-3.92.0" for example to use
[11:38] <PriceChild> its in debian/
[11:38] <Lamego> # Copyright (C) 2006 Peter Rockai <me@mornfall.net>
[11:38] <Lamego> # Copyright (C) 2006 Fathi Boudra <fboudra@free.fr>
[11:39] <Lamego> # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as
[11:39] <Lamego> :P
[11:39] <ajmitch> Lamego: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=5;filename=cmake.mk;att=1;bug=377524
[11:39] <RainCT> good night
[11:39] <Lamego> ok
[11:39] <Lamego> I have missed the "later at your option"
[11:41] <Lamego> I hate licensing :P
[12:09] <imbrandon> gah i hate setting up nfs and samba, i can never rember it all
[12:09] <imbrandon> dont i have to run something like exportfs -a after editing /etc/exports ?
[12:11] <TheMuso> imbrandon: sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart does it for me.
[12:14] <imbrandon> ahh stupid me had his mount syntax wrong
[12:14] <imbrandon> thanks TheMuso
[12:14] <TheMuso> imbrandon: np.
[12:26] <LaserJock> wahoo, I just made the hugest gmail filter ever
[12:32] <PriceChild> grrr licensing is confusing :)