[01:51] <triptec> xubuntu partitioner????
[01:51] <maxamillion> triptec: no such thing
[01:52] <maxamillion> triptec: there is gparted ... but its not the "xubuntu partitioner"
[01:52] <triptec> thx
[01:53] <triptec> I was wondering if there was s "standard" or so
[01:53] <triptec> a*
[01:53] <maxamillion> triptec: yeah, gparted is pretty much the standard within the *buntu community
[01:54] <triptec> thx
[01:54] <maxamillion> anytime
[01:55] <triptec> do you know how to make thunar NOT make shortcut to my harddriver on desktop and in thunar?
[01:57] <triptec> and swap space, begining of disk or where should one put it?
[01:59] <zoredache> is anyone up to help with a questioon?  I am browsing around in my filesystem with thunar, and whenever I click to go into a folder, it goes in.  but about 3-8 seconds later it will automatically go back to the parent folder
[01:59] <zoredache> I have filesystem access in the folder, and I can get into the folder in the shell
[01:59] <zoredache> I am not finding anything on google
[02:01] <triptec> try to run thunar as root and see if you get in
[02:05] <zoredache> yes, that seems to work, but I really don't want to be browsing around as root.  Do you have any ideas as to what I would need to change for this to work as a regular user?
[02:06] <triptec> as root first try to chmod 755 dir
[02:06] <zoredache> the folder is 0770, owned by a root, and a group that I a member of
[02:06] <triptec> okay, you probably have to change the group you are working in
[02:06] <zoredache> the directory is s cifs mount
[02:07] <triptec> I don't think its enough to just be in the groups file, you also have to chgrp or something
[02:07] <triptec> don't remember, I'm a bit rusty
[02:07] <zoredache> yeah, but how do you do a chgrp while in a gui...
[02:16] <triptec> I didn't find anything on google, but try command: goups zoredache
[02:17] <triptec> and see if you really are a member of the group
[02:32] <zoredache> yes I am a member of the group...
[02:33] <zoredache> I my mount command so that directories come up with 0771 instead of 0770 and it seems to work...
[03:18] <neozen> hoallo all
[03:20] <maxamillion> hi neozen
[03:29] <john> whois
[03:30] <john> hi
[03:30] <john> anyone here?
[03:33] <cheeseboy> me
[04:08] <neozen> hoallo max
[04:09] <neozen> how's you?
[04:09] <neozen> me here too!
[04:11] <maxamillion> neozen: doing well, just trying to buy a laptop ... its apparently harder than pulling teeth
[04:12] <neozen> lol
[04:12] <neozen> I went w/ lenovo
[04:12] <maxamillion> neozen: i don't have that kind of money ... i am going with a compaq
[04:12] <maxamillion> $485 with a student discount
[04:12] <neozen> ....ic
[04:13] <neozen> yeah I paid a little more.... ::turns red::
[04:13] <maxamillion> actually .... no, not huggle college .... i'm broke because of it :/
[04:13] <neozen> its worth it mon
[04:13] <neozen> I scored a good job
[04:13] <neozen> now I code in java
[04:13] <neozen> for 8 hours a day
[04:13] <neozen> and I'm RICH!
[04:14] <The-Kernel> neozen: how rich?
[04:14] <neozen> even though its a closed-source product... i'm working on building a repository for plugins so our clients can share freely
[04:14] <neozen> ....rich enough
[04:14] <maxamillion> neozen: nice, that's what i plan to do eventually
[04:14] <neozen> I can afford a share in a good apt with good people... in a party district
[04:15] <neozen> ~30min from my work
[04:15] <neozen> and right near everything else
[04:15] <neozen> lol
[04:15] <The-Kernel> well, I get the average pay for my job
[04:16] <The-Kernel> I have no job, and get no pay
[04:16] <abrahm> can someone help me out a bit ?
[04:16] <The-Kernel> abrahm: shoot?
[04:17] <abrahm> I am stuck in 800*600  with my Nvidia restricted driver
[04:17] <abrahm> and the window i wanna press apply on is longer than that
[04:18] <abrahm> is there anything that can like drag the item thru to the next workspace ?
[04:20] <abrahm> i'm guessing no :(
[04:20] <abrahm> or is there a way to get 1024*768 ?
[04:56] <neozen> nini all
[05:10] <Jester45> how do you make the settings in xvidtune stay after X is restarted
[05:10] <maxamillion> Jester45: never heard of xvidtune
[05:11] <Jester45> its in /usr/bin/xvidtune
[05:11] <maxamillion> Jester45: ah, just a moment
[05:11] <Jester45> my screen is offset by 1/2 inch down and to the right
[05:12] <Jester45> so i have to make it wider and send it up each time X is shutdown
[05:12] <maxamillion> Jester45: are you running it as sudo?
[05:12] <Jester45> o
[05:12] <Jester45> no
[05:12] <maxamillion> ;)
[05:12] <Jester45> should i ? :)
[05:12] <maxamillion> Jester45: yup, only sudo/su can write to xorg.conf :)
[05:13] <Jester45> i know that
[05:13] <maxamillion> i know ... just lending a friendly reminder ;)
[05:14] <Jester45> i just wasnt thinking of how it does it
[05:14] <Jester45> second question
[05:14] <Jester45> if i have a iso and a cd made from that ise
[05:14] <Jester45> iso*
[05:15] <Jester45> should a md5sum file.iso be the same as md5sum /dev/cdrom ?
[05:15] <Jester45> if the cd was made from the iso
[05:16] <Jester45> or can i even do that
[05:16] <maxamillion> Jester45: i am honestly not sure if it works like that because i don't know if the encoding changes when it burns to the cdrom
[05:16] <maxamillion> Jester45: because if the encoding changes then the md5sum probably wouldn't match
[05:16] <Kr4t05> !ndiswrapper
[05:16] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:16] <Kr4t05> Guh... I can't find any specific howto on installing ndiswrapper
[05:19] <Jester45> Kr4t05, get the deb's and install
[05:20] <Kr4t05> Jester45, Yeah, I got it,
[05:21] <maxamillion> Kr4t05: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[05:21] <maxamillion> Kr4t05: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[05:21] <Jester45> maxamillion, got a suggestion for a OS to install to play around with?
[05:21] <maxamillion> Kr4t05: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper/FAQ
[05:21] <maxamillion> Jester45: GNU/OpenSolaris
[05:21] <Jester45> i want a fast one
[05:21] <Jester45> and no gentoo
[05:22] <Jester45> its fast after you set it up and i set one up and now im done with that
[05:23] <Jester45> im thinking win98se... i have a cd and would like to see if i can get it to use less mem than my xubuntu
[05:23] <Jester45> at least thats what conky says
[05:23] <xjkx> Ok, so there is this bug that freezes me on X, even my keyboard freezes, the mouse, everything, i cant just do anything ! although the machine keeps serving proxy lol? if i start vncserver, i can remotly log on other machine and kill X rofl, my point is, is there a way to give more priority to keyboard? or any other idea better than that
[05:23] <Jester45> 24/3500 is pretty good
[05:24] <Kr4t05> Eh...
[05:24] <Kr4t05> I have xchat, firefox, gaim, and xterm open... 169/250MB
[05:25] <Kr4t05> That seems abit much, no?
[05:25] <Jester45> xjkx, that would be your x.org that does keyboard but.. it also controls part of vnc so maybe your X session is crashes because the proxy keeps working and that probly doesnt need X
[05:25] <Jester45> well right now i have 1200/3500mb
[05:25] <xjkx> the bug is on xfce, not in xorg :p
[05:26] <Jester45> you sure?
[05:26] <xjkx> i am
[05:26] <Jester45> it could be xorg on xfce
[05:26] <Jester45> meaning xfce cause xorg to mess up and what do you do to cause this
[05:26] <xjkx> no, its not the only thing that happens, thats why i know
[05:26] <maxamillion> Kr4t05: no, that's about right ... firefox itself normally takes 45mb of ram ... and it adds about 15mb of ram per tab open (on average)
[05:26] <Jester45> can you ssh in and see if X is taking 100% cpu?
[05:27] <Jester45> or if anything that shouldnt is
[05:27] <xjkx> it closes my xfce menu and i have to add again, my notes, xfce gets crazy when that happens, thats a good idea, will remember next time
[05:27] <Jester45> Kr4t05, my ff is using 300mb
[05:27] <xjkx> I can vnc, so i can ps
[05:27] <Kr4t05> Gah...
[05:27] <Kr4t05> Maybe I should try Swiftfox or Opera?
[05:27] <Jester45> but it has been open for 3 weeks now
[05:28] <maxamillion> there is a mem leak in firefox ... i've had it run up to 980mb of ram usage before
[05:28] <xjkx> Kr4t05: whats swiftfox?
[05:28] <Kr4t05> I mean, I guess I have room to spare, as long as it's not up near 200 or more.
[05:29] <Kr4t05> xjkx, redistribution of FF that is built for speed.
[05:29] <xjkx> omg why not use it then
[05:29] <xjkx> will download myself
[05:29] <Kr4t05> Well... It depends.
[05:29] <Kr4t05> Okay... Anyway.
[05:30] <Kr4t05> I think I'll try to get Diablo II running.
[05:30] <Jester45> as soon as i hit 3000mb i will start looking else where for mem saving
[05:30] <Jester45> i do like fast start ups like removing gdm
[05:30] <darwin81> How do I install Xfce icons?
[05:30] <maxamillion> darwin81: which icon theme? ... alot of them are in the repos
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> Does XFCE have an equivalent to gnome-main-menu?
[05:31] <Jester45> be back tomarro
[05:31] <Jester45> tonyyarusso, yes, the menu
[05:32] <Jester45> it only has one gnome's menu is stupid like that
[05:32] <darwin81> maxamillion, Can I install nuoveXT even though it's meant for GNOME?
[05:32] <Jester45> bye bye
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> Err, that's not what I meant.
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> See http://reverendted.wordpress.com/2006/06/17/show-me-that-new-gnome-main-menu/
[05:33] <maxamillion> darwin81: sure
[05:34] <darwin81> maxamillion: how?
[05:34] <maxamillion> darwin81: i dunno, never installed an icon set that wasn't in the repositories ... i like the Tango icon set :)
[05:37] <Kr4t05> I wonder...
[05:37] <Kr4t05> Okay... recommendations: Best lightweight audio player?
[05:37] <Kr4t05> I'm thinking XMMS, but there could be something better.
[06:03] <darwin81> Can I make panels transparent?
[06:04] <cellofellow> darwin81: if you enable Compsositing with xfwm4.
[06:04] <darwin81> How can I do that?
[06:04] <cellofellow> turn it on in Window Manager Tweaks.
[06:05] <darwin81> oh wow that makes everything a lot nicer
[06:06] <cellofellow> gives you transparent windows too.
[06:06] <cellofellow> not as cool as compiz, but close.
[06:10] <Kr4t05> I wish my graphics would support composting. :(
[06:10] <Kr4t05> No direct rendering support for my chipset.
[06:10] <cellofellow> Mine do, if I disable GLX.
[06:10] <cellofellow> That's with the nvidia-legacy driver.
[06:10] <Kr4t05> Eh...
[06:10] <Kr4t05> neomagic, here.
[06:11] <cellofellow> nvidia or nvidia-new work with both compositing and GLX, but not nvidia-legacy.
[06:11] <Kr4t05> Yeah,
[06:29] <Kr4t05> Is there any way to get my external CD-RW drive to work without restarting>
[06:31] <cellofellow> should just work...
[06:35] <Kr4t05> cellofellow, Sadly, it doesn't...
[06:35] <Kr4t05> It's not a USB drive... But that IDE expansion port on the back of some laptops.
[06:35] <Kr4t05> You know what I mean?
[06:35] <cellofellow> oh, huh. I assumed USB. I don't think Linux has any IDE hotplugging built in by default, at least on Ubuntu.
[06:37] <Kr4t05> I'll try the forums.
[09:56] <darrend> anyone using compiz on xubuntu gutsy?  when I switch to compiz, it removes xfwm4 but seems to be missing a replacement - ie I lose all my window borders and workspace switching and so on
[09:57] <darrend> guessing it expects another WM to be there but I don;t know which
[10:02] <TheSheep> darrend: it requires a separae window decorator, like emerald
[10:02] <TheSheep> !compiz
[10:02] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:03] <darrend> TheSheep: hmm, ok.  wonder why it's not listed as a dependency then..
[10:04] <TheSheep> darrend: because there are several of them you can use
[10:04] <darrend> ah.. thanks
[10:06] <darrend> emerald appears to do nothing.. no output (at all) when run from a terminal either.  Just sits there.
[10:07] <TheSheep> darrend: and draws the window decorations
[10:08] <darrend> no it doesn't.  It appears to do nothing.
[10:09] <darrend> I use emerald on my feisty desktop with beryl, so I'm vaguely familiar with it
[10:09] <darrend> but it does nada on this gutsy laptop at the moment
[10:09] <TheSheep> darrend: maybe they will help you on #ubuntu-effects
[10:09] <darrend> thx.  I'll try
[11:13] <Ben_Cs> hello
[12:46] <MBR666> hello xubuntu world
[12:46] <MBR666> hows every one this morning
[01:01] <Ben_Cs> i connected my ipod shuffle to comp, and run amarok, but get the error: Klibloader could not load the plugin: libamarok_ipod-mediadevice Error-message: libgpod.so.1 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.
[01:01] <Ben_Cs> please help
[01:18] <Ben_Cs> in windows after several seconds (after i connect my ipod shuffle) the light that signal "device busy, don't disconnect" is off. but in linux it is on all the time. ideas?
[01:31] <Ben_Cs> is there a way to make in xubuntu that when i unmount a usb device, that it wont get electricity (like windows does)?
[02:59] <Ben_Cs> hello
[03:01] <Ben_Cs> is there a way to make wine run progs made for winXP?
[03:04] <pleia2> Ben_Cs: I suggest you just test out the ones you want, the support that wine has for applications is all over the board and a lot of variables are involved
[03:04] <pleia2> there is no way to say "XP applications will work" or something, some will, some won't
[03:04] <Ben_Cs> itunes doesn't
[03:05] <MaxFrames> hello
[03:05] <pleia2> Ben_Cs: have you tried amarok? I don't know much about it or iTunes, but it's generally what people use as a replacement
[03:05] <MaxFrames> how do I include a command in the xwindows startup sequence, so that the command runs every time I start a session?
[03:06] <Ben_Cs> pleia2: it's ok but itunes work better with ipod, obviously
[03:06] <pleia2> Ben_Cs: a google search for "itunes in linux" appears to yield some useful results
[03:06] <rm130> Is there some program that can detect if I have the right drivers or not for my computer?
[03:07] <rm130> similar to driver genius for windows
[03:07] <rm130> because I'm pretty sure I don't have the correct drivers for this machine's video card
[03:08] <maxamillion> if you need to interface with an ipod, check out gtkpod
[03:08] <maxamillion> !info gtkpod
[03:08] <ubotu> gtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.8-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 528 kB, installed size 2220 kB
[03:08] <Ben_Cs> one thing that annoys me: when conncting ipod, it has a light indicating wether the device is busy. in windows the light is on for a sec when connecting ipod to pc and then it's off, indicating device is not busy. in ubuntu it indicates "device busy" all the time. WTF? is it connected with: when mounting DOK and then unmounting it, still the electricity to it isn't disconnected (as opposed...
[03:08] <Ben_Cs> ...to windows)?
[03:09] <maxamillion> Ben_Cs: depends on the software interfacing with the device, if i write a program that tells the device to alert "busy" only at initial connection, then it will ... on the other hand i can tell it to be kept as busy the entire session
[03:10] <Ben_Cs> maxamillion: i think it's less an issue of a certain app, and more an issue of the OS
[03:10] <Ben_Cs> no?
[03:11] <maxamillion> Ben_Cs: nope
[03:12] <maxamillion> Ben_Cs: it all depends on what signals i am sending the device, now it could however be the daemon that handles hot swappable devices ... but i assume the same behavior could be replicated with any OS
[03:12] <Ben_Cs> maximillion: when i connect ipod and don't open any app, the "busy" light is still on all the time. so i still think it's an OS issue
[03:13] <Ben_Cs> wonder if there's a winXP like behaviour for linux
[03:14] <MaxFrames> can anyone help me with my request? :)
[03:15] <ShackJack> Hi all ... I'm a bit newish to the Xubuntu environment (I use GNOME/ubuntu a good deal though)... couple questions:  I noticed update-notifier isn't installed in the default package - does XFCE have something like that automatically running or should I install and add to startup progs if I want it running?
[03:18] <maxamillion> Ben_Cs: well, that is simply the daemon that handles interfacing with the dynamic mounting of the device ... and technically, any OS could have a device management daemon that would act exactly the same among any OS .... but for all practical purposes (since different OS's use different device management methods) we will just call it an OS issue
[03:19] <maxamillion> ShackJack: you can install the auto update client yourself and put it in "autostarted applications" and its operation will then mimic that of the gnome/ubuntu enviornment
[03:20] <Ben_Cs> maxamillion: well since there's no official itunes for linux (damn apple, support Winblows but not Linux) i'll stick to the dual boot
[03:20] <MaxFrames> hello....please....I need to know how to run a command automatically at boot in xubuntu....
[03:20] <maxamillion> Ben_Cs: fair enough
[03:20] <maxamillion> MaxFrames: at boot or at login? ... very different
[03:20] <ShackJack> maxamillion: Thanks... I suppose it's the same for the nifty nm-applet think too.. which is what I was alos gonna ask :)
[03:20] <MaxFrames> both, if possible. I need to know how to do both
[03:21] <MaxFrames> i want to use synergy to use just a single keyboard+mouse with two PCs, so I need to have synergy starting at boot, then quitting, then starting again at logon
[03:21] <MaxFrames> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/autostart.html => how to apply this to xubuntu
[03:22] <maxamillion> ShackJack: yup, exactly the same there as well :)
[03:22] <maxamillion> MaxFrames: synergy2 has documentation on their site on how to do it using gdm (which is the login manager xubuntu uses)
[03:24] <MaxFrames> maxamillion: so I just have to follow the instructions for gdm right?
[03:28] <maxamillion> MaxFrames: right
[03:34] <MaxFrames> mmm... there is no "sessions" folder inside gdm folder
[03:34] <MaxFrames> instead there are two folders... presession and postsession
[03:39] <MaxFrames> anyway... I edited the file in "presession" and it seemed to work
[03:53] <ShackJack> Hi - under xubuntu in Firefox, can anyone tell me why the menu type/tab type font is so large? It is not that way in T-Bird - is there a way to correct it?
[03:53] <maxamillion> ShackJack: check the font size defaults in preferences
[03:56] <ShackJack> maxamillion: Hi - thanks - yes under content... It only seem to affects fonts on the pages...
[03:59] <maxamillion> ShackJack: ah ... hmmm
[03:59] <maxamillion> ShackJack: you might want to enter about:config into the adress space and see if there is a setting there
[03:59] <ShackJack> maxamillion: K - thanks... Xubuntu has T-bird in by default, but its menus look normal...
[04:02] <ShackJack> Whew! update-notifier has a lot of dependencies - has anyone installed it on low-spec Xubuntu systems? does running update-notifier drag things down?
[04:06] <maxamillion> ShackJack: yes, it generally uses a decent amount of ram ... which is why its not included by default
[04:07] <ShackJack> maxamillion: Well, I guess I can always try it... I'm only working with 192MB :)
[04:08] <maxamillion> ShackJack: report back how it goes, i'd be interested to know if it would hurt that system
[04:08] <ShackJack> I looked and they both share many of the same package dependencies, so I might as well try running both.. that nm-applet is sweet...
[04:08] <ShackJack> maxamillion: Will do I'm messing with it now....
[04:10] <maxamillion> ShackJack: yeah, nm-applet is really nice ... a little heavy on resources and its light weight alternatives are still under heavy development ... but its nice none the less
[04:18] <ShackJack> maxamillion: Welll... with nm-applet and update-notifier running -- 104MB on idle system... Without nm-applet 63MB, without both 59MB...
[04:18] <ShackJack> maxamillion: 40MB is a bit of a heavy hit on a 192MB system :)
[04:19] <ShackJack> maxamillion: Thugh maybe I'll play with it and see how it runs
[04:20] <maxamillion> ShackJack: yeah, and as soon as you start running things like firefox you will lose about another 40mb of ram
[04:20] <ShackJack> maxamillion: Hmmm.. although when I run from command line... it only ads a few megs... Maybe I'll try autostarting from a reboot and see if that makes any difference...
[04:21] <ShackJack> maxamillion: Have you tried using seamonkey or opera? Are they significantly lighter on resources?
[04:22] <maxamillion> ShackJack: i have been told opera is a little lighter, but i think seamonkey is actually heavier
[04:23] <Kr4t05> My panels are missing.
[04:23] <Kr4t05> Help?
[04:24] <maxamillion> Kr4t05: alt+f2 should open a run dialog, enter "xfce4-panel &" into the run dialog and then click "run" and make sure to save session on logout ... you will be fine
[04:24] <Kr4t05> maxamillion, Thanks.
[04:24] <Kr4t05> Dunno why it didn't stay last time I logged out...
[04:27] <ShackJack> maxamillion: Memory usage on freshly booted desktop is 59MB/186MB with nm-applet and update-notifier running.... I guess that's not too big a price to pay for the convenience (I turned off some services too)
[04:33] <maxamillion> ShackJack: that's not half bad
[04:36] <ShackJack> maxamillion: Not too bad... after opening/closing proggies and such it comes up to 90MB (keeping stuff cached maybe)... but it's fairly usable ... It's a 500Mhz Celeron (circa 2000 - 3?) with 192MB
[04:40] <ShackJack> Anyone used vlc on Xubuntu?  That gxine doesn't seem so hot...
[04:43] <maxamillion> ShackJack: i used vlc .... gxine never worked for me
[04:43] <maxamillion> well i am outta here ... bbl
[05:42] <ShackJack> Hi all... having any minor shutdown issue with Ubuntu... It goes through the process, but then stops at "system halted" and doesn't actually shut the computer off... Is there a setting or extra module perhaps I have to load?
[05:43] <TheSheep> ShackJack: you have an old computer?
[05:43] <TheSheep> (pre 1999)
[05:43] <ShackJack> TheSheep: Pretty old - a circa 2000 iSeries Thinkpad ... Celeron 500 w/192MB
[05:43] <TheSheep> argh
[05:44] <TheSheep> ShackJack: then you have to explicitly enable acpi in your kernel parameters
[05:44] <maxamillion> ShackJack: sounds like an ACPI issue to me
[05:44] <maxamillion> lol
[05:44] <TheSheep> see the top of dmesg for details
[05:45] <maxamillion> anyhoo ... i have class in about 10 minutes so i will be off ... bbl
[05:48] <ShackJack> TheSheep: maxamillion: I had them checked in my services think before (acpi/apmd) though it was the same effect... So I need to add acpi explicityly to /etc/modules is what you're saying...
[05:48] <ShackJack> maxamillion: Start of school - yay!
[05:48] <TheSheep> ShackJack: no, you need an option for your kernel added to the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:49] <TheSheep> ShackJack: you should have something like this in your logs:
[05:49] <TheSheep> ACPI :BIOS age (1999)
[05:49] <TheSheep> > fails cutoff(2001) acpi=force is required to enable ACPI
[05:59] <ShackJack> TheSheep: Ahh -- gotcha so just add acpi=force to the end of the grub command - no need to put a dash or double dash in front of that, right?
[05:59] <TheSheep> no
[05:59] <TheSheep> no need
[06:00] <ShackJack> TheSheep: Sorry for my ignorance, but is that on the kernel line I assume?
[06:01] <ShackJack> (not initrd)
[06:01] <TheSheep> ShackJack: yes, where you have 'quite' and 'splash' and such
[06:01] <TheSheep> quiet
[06:01] <ShackJack> TheSheep: Thanks -- trying it now :)
[06:03] <Arkh> TheSheep, I'm running xubuntu with 512 megs of ram, but my swap gets used pretty often; do you think it is normal?
[06:03] <TheSheep> Arkh: depends on what you do
[06:04] <Arkh> mmhm, xchat + firefox + openoffice ?
[06:04] <Arkh> oh pidgin too..
[06:04] <TheSheep> Arkh: but unless you use some java apps or have dozens of tabs open in firefox, it shuldn't use swap
[06:05] <Arkh> mmkay, in fact it seemed pretty strange to me
[06:06] <Arkh> and lately I have noticed a constant presence of zombies in top
[06:06] <Arkh> all [defunct] $program_name
[06:06] <Arkh> running xubuntu feisty btw :)
[06:08] <TheSheep> Arkh: but what program?
[06:08] <TheSheep> Arkh: you can run top ans press O two times to get result sorted by the memory used
[06:08] <Arkh> a lot of 'em, like evince or firefox or exaile
[06:09] <ShackJack> TheSheep: Thanks that worked out great....
[06:09] <Arkh> I do use conky and I can see the top3 memory usage programs..
[06:10] <TheSheep> evince also loads a lot of gnome libraries
[06:11] <Arkh> arkham@acerus:~$ ps -Af | grep defunct
[06:11] <Arkh> arkham    5246  5194  0 16:05 ?        00:00:19 [evince]  <defunct>
[06:11] <Arkh> yeah, it is happening right now lol
[06:11] <Arkh> the ppid of that process is the one of xfdesktop, but I can't understand why
[06:18] <TheSheep> Arkh: you have an evicne icon on your desktop?
[06:18] <TheSheep> evince
[06:18] <TheSheep> arrgh, it's evolution that loads gnome libs, evince is fairly ok :)
[06:30] <Niklasiiiiii> can anybody help me with some trivial mosml questions for 2 mins ?
[06:31] <pleia2> !ask | Niklasiiiiii
[06:31] <ubotu> Niklasiiiiii: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:35] <Niklasiiiiii> ok im a total noob conserning mosml.. the question is define a function that for an english noun in plural except for the words man, woman,mice and sheep !
[06:35] <Niklasiiiiii> thanks
[06:40] <TheSheep> what's mosml?
[06:40] <Niklasiiiiii> moscow ml!
[06:41] <TheSheep> don't they speak Russian in there? :/
[06:41] <Niklasiiiiii> some outdated computer program
[06:41] <Niklasiiiiii> well i dont
[06:42] <TheSheep> Niklasiiiiii: anyways, English plurals is a bit cimplicated thing
[06:42] <TheSheep> Niklasiiiiii: I had a complete set of rules somewhere, it was three pages long
[06:42] <TheSheep> and there are of course exception, as you mentioned
[06:42] <TheSheep> I'd also add 'fish'
[07:07] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: hiho
[07:07] <TheSheep> h hyper__ch
[07:08] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: you're also savy on cpus?
[07:09] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: I'm mostly a software guy
[07:09] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: oh :) I need an advice on what performs better...
[07:09] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: can't afford playing with hardware
[07:09] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: I can ask my coworkers
[07:09] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: neither can I... that's why I want to know first ;)
[07:11] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: Intel Core Duo T2250 (1.73 Ghz, 2 MB L2 Cache)  vs.  AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-56 (1.8 Ghz, 1 MB L2 Cache)   what would perform better... for the amd I would use 64bit system and the intel cpu is labelled as "Core duo" and not "Core 2 Duo" - I dunno if that is a difference
[07:13] <c00i90wn> is there a xubuntun gutsy support channel?
[07:14] <TheSheep> !gutsy | c00i90wn
[07:14] <ubotu> c00i90wn: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[07:14] <c00i90wn> ubotu: but that's for ubuntu :/
[07:14] <The-Kernel> hyper__ch: um...look I would usually say the Core, but it's a Laptop CPU, is that what you're planning on getting? If not the always use a Core 2 Duo, which is better for desktops
[07:14] <TheSheep> c00i90wn: xubuntu is ubuntu
[07:14] <The-Kernel> Turion is also better suited for laptops, not to be used for Desktops
[07:15] <hyper__ch> The-Kernel: yeah, it's a notebook
[07:15] <TheSheep> c00i90wn: then again, you can ask here too!
[07:15] <c00i90wn> The problem I'm having is that xubuntu isn't launching any WM
[07:15] <hyper__ch> c00i90wn: TheSheep knows everything (well, almost)
[07:16] <c00i90wn> if I try compiz I get no decorators (windows borders,etc)
[07:16] <c00i90wn> if I start xfwm4 I get window decorations but I'm too used to compiz already :/
[07:17] <The-Kernel> hyper__ch: go with the Core Duo, Turion's have had a heat problem
[07:17] <hyper__ch> The-Kernel: thx
[07:18] <The-Kernel> hyper__ch: but that's the only reason as to why not to use Turion
[07:18] <The-Kernel> so...maybe go with the one that is cheapest? Or if the heat does bother you...
[07:18] <c00i90wn> TheSheep: any idea on that problem?
[07:20] <TheSheep> c00i90wn: compiz requires a separate window decorator, it doesn't decorate windows by itself
[07:20] <TheSheep> !compiz
[07:20] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:22] <c00i90wn> TheSheep: What I thought but I never understood why it decorates windows on Ubuntu :/
[07:22] <c00i90wn> TheSheep: By ubuntu read gnome
[07:22] <TheSheep> c00i90wn: because metacity doubles as a decorator
[07:23] <TheSheep> c00i90wn: while xfwm4 can't run together with another wm
[07:23] <c00i90wn> TheSheep: Oh I see, what should I install for decorator for xfce?
[07:23] <c00i90wn> TheSheep: How is gusty xubuntu doing it?
[07:24] <c00i90wn> TheSheep: My xfce is not a xubuntu installation but a Ubuntu installation with xubuntu-desktop package
[07:24] <TheSheep> c00i90wn: you just have to use some other window decorator, you can't use the xfce's one, I guess it depends on your preferences which one you use
[07:25] <TheSheep> c00i90wn: I always used beryl and it has kind of a simple build in decorator
[07:27] <c00i90wn> TheSheep: but xubuntu gusty is supposed to have compiz-fusion by default, which did the dev choose for it?
[07:31] <SuprUsr> How can I completely remove any changes I might have made to XFCE and go back to the default theme?
[07:31] <TheSheep> c00i90wn: I don't know anything about it. I know *ubuntu* gutsy has compiz-fusion by default, xubuntu not.
[07:31] <SuprUsr> Rather, which dotfiles should I obliterate?
[07:31] <TheSheep> SuprUsr: ~/.config/*
[07:32] <SuprUsr> TheSheep: Thanks.
[07:32] <TheSheep> SuprUsr: ah, and ~/.local/*
[07:32] <SuprUsr> Double thanks.
[07:32] <TheSheep> and maybe ~/.cache/*
[07:32] <SuprUsr> Kay.
[07:33] <c00i90wn> TheSheep: OK, Thanks for everything!
[07:33] <SuprUsr> Rockin'.
[07:33] <SuprUsr> I managed to install a theme that xfce4-session didn't like.
[07:50] <soweto76> xfburn seems to have stopped working.  Trying to burn .iso: Operation finished -- all dialogs show "no info".
[07:50] <SoulChild> Okay,... i just compiled my first kernel but i get this error: "init: unable to open control socket: Adress family not supported" any ideas ???
[07:53] <TheSheep> SoulChild: you didn't include some protocol that is required, it seems
[07:55] <SoulChild> TheSheep: but which one ,...
[07:57] <TheSheep> SoulChild: no idea
[08:00] <hyper__ch> hmnmm, why did aptitude want to deinstall libdvdcss2
[08:39] <SoulChild> hey i just compiled a vanilla kernel but i get: "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt_464c" at boot ,.. any ideas ???
[08:40] <Arkh> x86-64?
[08:41] <Kr4t05> This quest is neverending, it seems.
[08:41] <Kr4t05> Alright, I have an irritating problem.
[08:42] <Kr4t05> I'm trying to get my desktop (herein refered to as "PC1") to share it's network via wlan0.
[08:43] <Kr4t05> This is all well and good, but my laptop's (herein refered to as "alcatraz") wlan0 isn't giving me any sweet lovin',
[08:43] <Kr4t05> I've installed the RTL8180L drivers in ndiswrapper as instructed by the wiki.
[08:44] <Kr4t05> And, at first, the device works fine, it's detected and the LED blinks.
[08:45] <Kr4t05> However, on reboot, regardless of whether or not the wireless card is physically installed or not, the card is no longer seen by ndiswrapper. or the s system at large.
[08:45] <Kr4t05> I try to uninstall the Windows driver in ndisgtk, but it won't go away.
[08:46] <Kr4t05> I have to manually remove ndiswrapper and Co and then reinstall then in order for my wireless to work.
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[08:47] <Kr4t05> So, unless someone in here has any helpful hints or advice, I'm going to assume that someone told me to take my problem to #ndiswrapper.
[08:47] <Kr4t05> s/assume/pretend.
[08:55] <rici> hey, Kr4t05
[08:55] <rici> i take it you never got your 3com working?
[08:55] <Kr4t05> rici:
[08:55] <Kr4t05> Actually, yes I did.
[08:55] <rici> cool. so now you have a different network problem=
[08:55] <rici> ?
[08:56] <Kr4t05> Yep.
[08:56] <rici> annoying.
[08:56] <Kr4t05> Well... I decided that I'd rather go out and buy a wireless card for my desktop, and use my desktop to share the network with the laptop.
[08:56] <Kr4t05> That way all of my computers can be connected at once.
[08:57] <rici> makes sense.
[08:57] <Kr4t05> However, as per Moore's Law....
[08:57] <rici> you don't have wireless in your zyxel?
[08:57] <Kr4t05> Nup.
[08:57] <rici> yeah, me neither. it was probably a mistake
[09:03] <adac> I tried to make a .desktop file that should start me a shell script. Well It starts the script and also does a command such as starting firefox over the script. but when I try to call a java application over the script then nothing happens
[09:10] <tripte1> why would one want boot,root,tmp on different partisions
[09:10] <tripte1> partitions*
[09:10] <tripte1> ?
[09:12] <TheSheep> tripte1: boot -- because you can't have boot on an encrypted partition and there are sometimes problems with boot on exotic file systems
[09:12] <pleia2> tripte1: /tmp stores a lot of temporary files, so you can use a faster non-journaling filesystem like ext2 on it
[09:12] <TheSheep> tripte1: tmp -- so that programs don't fill your whole disk with temporary files
[09:12] <Kr4t05> rici: Geeze... Gotta love it when something is so obvious that it makes you feel stupid when you realize it.
[09:13] <Kr4t05> I needed to load a module.
[09:13] <Kr4t05> :P
[09:13] <TheSheep> tripte1: you can also have usr on a separate partition, so that you can mount it read-only
[09:14] <pleia2> and /var on a separate one so when the rest of your filesystem fills up with stuff it doesn't fill up /var too and make your system go crazy not being able to write to it
[09:14] <TheSheep> tripte1: and only remount it rw when you're upgrading or installing osmehting
[09:17] <tripte1> okay, how big should they be ~?
[09:36] <TheSheep> tripte1: usually whole disk not used by system
[09:37] <The-Kernel> yo
[09:37] <TheSheep> tripte1: but you can make it several partitions instead and mount it in your ~
[09:37] <The-Kernel> I usually make four "/" "/var" "/home" and "swap"
[09:38] <cheeseboy> hi want to run a program in wine caleed xmbc_pc but it needs a bat run first
[09:38] <cheeseboy> how do i run the bat?
[09:38] <The-Kernel> wine file.bat
[09:39] <cheeseboy> wine: could not load L"Z:\\home\\greg\\Desktop\\win32\\run_me_first.bat": Bad EXE format for
[09:40] <Ben_Cs> hello
[09:42] <Ben_Cs> i have a bug: network disconnects from time to time. seems as if there's no obvious reason for that. had it with ubuntu aswell. /etc/init.d/networking restart    doesn't help. rebooting helps. WTF?!
[09:42] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: It might be the router
[09:43] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel. here's the story:
[09:43] <The-Kernel> Download Speed: 26559 kbps (3319.9KB/sec transfer rate)
[09:43] <The-Kernel> Upload Speed: 3068 kbps (383.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
[09:43] <The-Kernel> dang
[09:43] <The-Kernel> sorry guys
[09:44] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i have a pc with WinXP connected to DSL modem/router. i have my xubuntu pc connected to that WinXP pc.
[09:44] <Ben_Cs> what's your guess then?
[09:44] <The-Kernel> you have the DSL connection set up to shre the conntection over ther ethernet to your computer?
[09:44] <SuprUsr> The-Kernel: Not yet...
[09:45] <SuprUsr> Still having some funky problems.
[09:45] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: what drops isn't the internet connection, but the network connection
[09:45] <SuprUsr> Oh...
[09:45] <Ben_Cs> yeh, DSL is shared
[09:45] <SuprUsr> Heh...
[09:45] <SuprUsr> Nevermind.
[09:45] <The-Kernel> haha
[09:45] <The-Kernel> SuprUsr: tell me your problem
[09:46] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: considering the new info - any ideas?
[09:46] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: I know, have the windows computer ping yours when the connection drops
[09:46] <Ben_Cs> ok
[09:46] <Ben_Cs> will try
[09:46] <SuprUsr> I'm trying to get my desktop to share is ethernet (inbound from eth0) through the wireless adapter (outbound via wlan0) to my laptop's wireless adapter (inbound via wlan0).
[09:47] <SuprUsr> I've been using the guide at WiFiDocs, but it's not entirely clear.
[09:47] <The-Kernel> SuprUsr: is it an AP that you're sharing it out of or an adapter?
[09:47] <SuprUsr> The-Kernel: It's a Belkin USB Wireless G adapter.
[09:48] <SuprUsr> I already have it installed with a kernel module.
[09:48] <The-Kernel> SuprUsr: I'm using the exat one right now
[09:48] <The-Kernel> can I see the howto you're using?
[09:49] <SuprUsr> The-Kernel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/ShareEthernetConnectionThroughWireless
[09:49] <The-Kernel> Download Speed: 26559 kbps (3319.9KB/sec transfer rate)
[09:49] <SuprUsr> But, I have to go to work, right now.
[09:49] <The-Kernel> wow
[09:49] <The-Kernel> sorry
[09:49] <SuprUsr> S'ok.
[09:49] <SuprUsr> If you can figure it out, let me know.
[09:49] <SuprUsr> Thanks, bye./.
[09:49] <The-Kernel> I'm on a windows computer and its been a REALLY long time scine I've used one
[09:50] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: back to your problem
[09:52] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: so now i need to wait till connection drops again. it can be half an hour, an hour, or several hours :)
[09:52] <The-Kernel> hrm
[09:52] <The-Kernel> once it does drop, run all these and save them so I can see
[09:52] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: but why would the connection drop only from xubuntu, but not on winXP side?
[09:52] <The-Kernel> ifconfig
[09:52] <Ben_Cs> k
[09:53] <The-Kernel> lspci(unless your ethernet adapter is usb then lsusb)
[09:53] <The-Kernel> ping google.com
[09:53] <The-Kernel> ping <ip_to_the_windows_machine>
[09:53] <The-Kernel> actually ping your windows machien now
[09:54] <The-Kernel> dang it, I jsut solved SuprUsr's problem
[09:54] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: pinged it. looks fine
[09:55] <The-Kernel> ok
[09:55] <The-Kernel> so is there anything between the windows computer and the ubuntu machine?
[09:56] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: a crossed cable :)
[09:58] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: the thing is that when i boot into WinXP on my xubuntu machine, and work on WinXP (on xubuntu machine) the network doesn't drop,,,
[09:59] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: tried to google the problem, but found only threads concerning wifi, but not wired betwork.
[09:59] <cjae_> how do I do disc copy on the fly with k3b now in newest version
[09:59] <cjae_> two optical drives?
[10:00] <cjae_> there used to be a radio button for copy on the fly
[10:00] <The-Kernel> I'm pretty sure that in order for a crossover cable to work, the host has to be the one who says who gets what. switch the ends of the cable and nothing should work, no connection on either machines, do this.
[10:00] <Ben_Cs> cjae_: you choose "copy cd"
[10:00] <cjae_> i know but it wants to use the same drive to read as to burn
[10:01] <cjae_> but I want to do it on the fly off one directly on the other Ben_Cs
[10:02] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: can't right now, but when i did, it didn't matter what side went where. cause it's still crossed the same way.
[10:02] <Ben_Cs> cjae_: you mean it doesn't recognise your second drive, and thus you can't choose it?
[10:02] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: go onto newegg.com and invest $15 into getting two regular cables and a switch
[10:02] <The-Kernel> crossover is unreliable
[10:03] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: thought about doing it. think it'll help? BTW how come this problem doesn't exist on WinXP?
[10:04] <The-Kernel> because windows + windows with crossover usually goes well, linux + windows or vice vers does not go well.
[10:05] <The-Kernel> linux + linux works great, but using a switch will fix a lot of problems
[10:05] <The-Kernel> it gives you more stability and control over what you're doing
[10:05] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: ok. but if before i buy it the connection drops,can i get back to you with the outpu to the shell comands u told me?
[10:05] <The-Kernel> with a crossover cable you have two machines, a host and a client
[10:06] <The-Kernel> yes, give me the outputs anyways, even if it still happens with a switch
[10:06] <Ben_Cs> ok. thanks.
[10:06] <The-Kernel> I'm almost certain that its the cable, however there is a likely possibility that its something else
[10:07] <The-Kernel> like windows
[10:09] <Ben_Cs> i see
[10:10] <Ben_Cs> maybe winblows checks from time to time what's the machine on the other side, and if it sees it's linux, it's says: ha ha! screw you! and drops the connection
[10:10] <Ben_Cs> :)
[10:10] <The-Kernel> no
[10:11] <The-Kernel> if you look in the properties of the ethernet connection on windows, you can see that you have the option to install UNIX support
[10:11] <The-Kernel> I think its like printing support but it adds a bunch of other things to it, install that and see if it helps
[10:11] <Ben_Cs> BTW: do you remember how ent the joke about smartasses and wisecracks? :)
[10:11] <Ben_Cs> will check. one sec
[10:14] <The-Kernel> ?
[10:14] <The-Kernel> !language | Ben_Cs
[10:14] <ubotu> Ben_Cs: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:14] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i notices that on WinXP machine an option is checked: allow the computer to turn off the device (ethernet card) to save power. could it be it? but then again, it should be the same when i boot WinXP on xubuntu machine...
[10:15] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: ah yes, it should always be on
[10:15] <The-Kernel> no matter what
[10:15] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: is to say a "butt" is a sware/.
[10:15] <Ben_Cs> ?
[10:17] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: should i install on WinXP machine: "client service for NetWare"?
[10:18] <Ben_Cs> cause, i see nothing that has the word "unix"/"linux" on it...
[10:20] <The-Kernel> no
[10:20] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: why is this system XP and not linux?
[10:21] <Ben_Cs> cause i like and work on linux. The rest of the family knows windows, and has no reason to learn +migrate to linux.
[10:21] <Ben_Cs> i tried to convince them, but with no success.
[10:22] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i use dual boot only to play games and to work with my ipod (although amarok is ok, but itunes is better)
[10:22] <The-Kernel> Tell them this "If we switch this one computer over to linux, we will increase the security of all the computers, plus add to the stability of the one. Also it gives the option of having child protection on it for those young ones."
[10:23] <The-Kernel> I have a gaming system for that
[10:23] <The-Kernel> I won't have linux sharing systems
[10:23] <The-Kernel> ok
[10:25] <The-Kernel> gotta go
[10:25] <The-Kernel> ttyl
[10:25] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i could convince my father maybe, but not my mom and bro, cause they have no time (and will) to learn linux. though i could tell them: i'm against stealing - used legit soft or open source. although, it probably wont work :)
[10:25] <Ben_Cs> bye
[10:25] <Arkh> I use gamecube for gaming :P
[10:26] <Ben_Cs> Arkh: lucky those who have spare money to play with.
[10:27] <Arkh> 50 euros from a friend, pretty good price :P
[10:28] <Ben_Cs> indeed
[10:29] <Arkh> since linux gaming sucks apart from some fps
[10:29] <Ben_Cs> but, i don't see a reason to buy a gaming system, when you can buy a powerfull pc instead and play games on it.
[10:30] <Arkh> yeh, but you know I hate rebooting :P
[10:30] <Ben_Cs> btw, read about the motorola cpu in SP3. probably the most powerfull cpu in existance.
[10:31] <Ben_Cs> motorola = ibm (a mistake)
[10:31] <Ben_Cs> didn't know before that ibm was good in cpu's
[10:32] <Arkh> yep, a friend of mine told me something about it, it is almost a good price for a new pc
[10:34] <Ben_Cs> so SPS3 is the most pwerfull gaming system today?
[10:35] <Arkh> I think so, saw a couple of videos and it is quite impressing
[10:36] <Ben_Cs> lots of monet though :)
[10:36] <Ben_Cs> do you buy your games or warez them?
[10:36] <xork> does xfce have a hardware profile like gnome?
[10:36] <xork> i can't seem to find one
[10:37] <Arkh> xork, what do you mean by hardware profile?
[10:38] <xork> Arkh: an application that will show you all pieces of hardware that are being recognized
[10:38] <xork> details on each
[10:38] <Ben_Cs> xork: you can download from repositories (probably).
[10:39] <Ben_Cs> even the same one that gnome has
[10:39] <xork> hmm
[10:39] <xork> happen to know package name?
[10:39] <Ben_Cs> how's it called in gnome? try that.
[10:39] <xork> i've totally forgotten :P
[10:39] <xork> here's really waht i'm trying to do
[10:39] <xork> buy a new video card
[10:39] <Arkh> mmm, lspci -v ?
[10:39] <xork> i have no idea if i have agp or pci-express
[10:40] <xork> and i'm too lazy to go down and open up the box
[10:40] <xork> any idea how to find that out from terminal? :P
[10:40] <Arkh> lspci -v | grep VGA
[10:40] <Ben_Cs> xork: wine ciw.exe ?   :)
[10:41] <xork> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7300 LE (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[10:43] <Arkh> xork, pci E
[10:43] <xork> woot, thanks
[10:43] <xork> how could you tell?
[10:43] <Arkh> http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7300.html
[10:43] <Arkh> because that series has no agp model :p
[10:43] <xork> hah
[10:43] <xork> great, thank you ;)
[10:44] <Ben_Cs> xork: the package is "Hardinfo"
[10:44] <Ben_Cs> for furhter info if u need :)
[10:44] <xork> nice!
[10:44] <xork> yeah i'll install it
[10:44] <xork> i liked having that available
[10:45] <Ben_Cs> hey hyper_ch
[10:45] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: huhu
[10:45] <Ben_Cs> long time no c :)
[10:45] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: you haven't been here ;)
[10:46] <Ben_Cs> got me there, LOL :)
[10:46] <Ben_Cs> still it's my favorite ubuntu channel. usually i'm here pretty often
[10:47] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: ^^
[10:53] <hyper_ch> so, time to watch the last Crusade episode
[10:54] <Ben_Cs> never heard of it
[10:54] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: you know Babylon 5?
[10:55] <Ben_Cs> yes
[10:55] <hyper_ch> you've seen the B5 movie: A Call To Arms?
[10:56] <Ben_Cs> nope
[10:57] <hyper_ch> ok, Crusade was based on ACTA but it was cancelled after 13 episodes... have you ever watched b5?
[10:57] <hyper_ch> still here ;)
[10:58] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: not really. but i know about it. kinf of starttrek isn't it?
[10:58] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: much better ;)
[10:58] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: well, Crusade isn't but B5 was
[10:58] <Ben_Cs> i wish Jericho was continued. heard of it?
[10:58] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: yeah, was aired here... a few episodes but now it's not anymore
[10:59] <Ben_Cs> pitty
[10:59] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: I haven't seen it
[10:59] <Ben_Cs> preason brake is due though :)
[10:59] <hyper_ch> heroes will soon start here
[10:59] <hyper_ch> haven't started watching Prison Break or 24 or Lost ;)
[11:00] <hyper_ch> currently I watch Desperate Housewives, House, Monk
[11:00] <hyper_ch> and BSG
[11:00] <Ben_Cs> ok :)
[11:01] <hyper_ch> I'm a tv show junkie... if I watch something I'm hooked
[11:02] <Ben_Cs> same about me, but only with shows that are worthy of my time
[11:02] <hyper_ch> oh, I forgot scrubs and malcolm in the middle and of course Simpsons and futurama
[11:05] <Ben_Cs> hyper_ch: you are indeed a tv junkie :) how do u have the time? what are u doing 4 living?
[11:05] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: not too much time... well, not all of them are airing now... soon-to-be-lawyer
[11:06] <Ben_Cs> cool
[11:07] <Ben_Cs> if i'm addicted to a show, i download the chapters as soon as they're online. (my country lags concerning US shows)
[11:08] <hyper_ch> Ben_Cs: same here... I've seen BSG season 1 - 3... however only season 1 has been aired here
[11:09] <Ben_Cs> :)
[11:12] <Ben_Cs> Jester45: hi
[11:12] <Jester45> hi
[11:13] <Ben_Cs> what's up?
[11:19] <Jester45> nothing
[11:22] <Ben_Cs> ok
[11:27] <m0u5e> gar
[11:27] <m0u5e> this is so frustrating
[11:27] <m0u5e> xsmbrowser can see my windows shares, and access them without mounting
[11:28] <m0u5e> but b/c its only within xsmbrowser i can't use other apps to sync my data :X
[11:29] <m0u5e> how would i mount a samba share? -___-;
[11:29] <Jester45> i think fuse has a samba extension
[11:29] <Jester45> fusesmb maybe?
[11:30] <m0u5e> hmm i dont have fusesmb installed
[11:30] <m0u5e> any idea why xsmbrowser can do everything that pyNeighborhood can't do :X
[11:30] <hyper_ch> what is google? ^^
[11:30] <m0u5e> lol
[11:30] <Jester45> they are diffrent apps
[11:31] <Arkh> fusesmb and thunar works pretty good together ;)
[11:31] <m0u5e> but, how is xsmb accessing windows directories without actually mounting the shares?
[11:31] <m0u5e> fusesmb: but it can only access specific shares right? or will it auto detect? :X
[11:31] <Jester45> i think you have to run a command like mount to mount it
[11:31] <Jester45> but then it acts like a local folder
[11:32] <Jester45> there is also fuseftp and fusessh
[11:32] <Jester45> both are fun
[11:32] <m0u5e> but how xsmbrowser able to navigate through directories, and move things around/ transfer things :X
[11:33] <Jester45> because it is full of magic nix mojo
[11:34] <m0u5e> magic nix mojo? :X
[11:34] <m0u5e> can we get some of that for thunar? :D
[11:36] <Arkh> m0u5e, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[11:36] <m0u5e> ... if xsmb doesnt use smbfs to do stuff... what does it use? o_O~
[11:38] <zoredache> perhaps it speaks the protocol directly
[11:39] <zoredache> smbclient doesn't use smbfs
[11:39] <zoredache> smbclient works somewhat like a command line ftp client
[11:42] <m0u5e> hmm
[11:42] <m0u5e> sigh if only xubuntu had some kind of support like that built in :(
[11:44] <zoredache> support like what?
[11:45] <m0u5e> integrated into thunar, yeah i know its not going to happen anytime soon...
[11:46] <zoredache> ah, well I use autofs for smb browsing
[11:47] <zoredache> it took a while to get it setup correctly the first time, but these days, I just spend 3-5 minutes to copy my saved config files to the right places, then I am done
[11:48] <m0u5e> autofs?
[11:49] <zoredache> autofs is a tool that will automatically mount/unmount filesystems
[11:49] <m0u5e> even over the network? :D
[11:50] <zoredache> it allows you to define the filesystems and mountpoints in files.  It also allows your mountmaps to be executable programs, as long as the program returns valid configuration
[11:51] <zoredache> so what happens is that I tell autofs that any call to /.autofs/cifs/username%domain%server/ will map onto a given server
[11:52] <zoredache> the one drawback is that I have to save my username/password in a file in a filesystem
[11:53] <zoredache> but I fixed that by encrypting my homedirectory...
[11:56] <m0u5e> lol
[11:58] <zoredache> ?
[12:00] <m0u5e> argh, i need i need to access password protected shares
[12:00] <m0u5e> several ones at that
[12:01] <m0u5e> i hope they incorporate something of this sort into gusty :X... or is that asking too much?
[12:08] <zoredache> that link you provided tells you how to access password protected shares
[12:08] <zoredache> but however you do it, right now it seems that you must store the password on the filesystem
[12:24] <starvinmarvin> I'm getting a "File size limit exceeded (core dumped)" when trying to copy a movie from the file system to a mounted hard drive. The hard drive has plenty of space. It's correctly formated as fat32. Any ideas? I know I've asked this question before, but I havne't figured it out yet.
[12:27] <TheSheep> starvinmarvin: please file the bug at Microsoft's bug reporting site -- the fat32 filesystem doesn't allow files larger than 4GB
[12:27] <starvinmarvin> Oh. So obviously I should reformat my hard drives...which one should I use?
[12:28] <starvinmarvin> BTW, if the fat32 filesystem doesn't allow files > 4gb, it's not a bug i'm encountering. it's business as usual.
[12:28] <TheSheep> starvinmarvin: ext3 probably. There is a driver for windows that lets it use them, so you don't lose interoperability.
[12:29] <TheSheep> !ext3
[12:29] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[12:29] <starvinmarvin> thanks guys/girls/ thou...
[12:34] <pilibeen> i'm trying to connect to my wireless network in my school's library w/ vpnc, should this work for all cisco networks?
[01:13] <oli__> when starting the installation it cancels with an error that he cant write on /dev/sda. is this known or is my hdd just screwed? its quite old :p