=== sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #xubuntu === Catoptromancy [n=catw@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === atarinox [n=atarinox@68.63.173.14] has joined #xubuntu === The-Kernel [n=The-Kern@67-150-252-182.oak.mdsg-pacwest.com] has joined #xubuntu === ShackJack [n=ShackJac@c-65-96-48-74.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #xubuntu [] [01:51] xubuntu partitioner???? [01:51] triptec: no such thing [01:52] triptec: there is gparted ... but its not the "xubuntu partitioner" [01:52] thx [01:53] I was wondering if there was s "standard" or so [01:53] a* [01:53] triptec: yeah, gparted is pretty much the standard within the *buntu community [01:54] thx [01:54] anytime [01:55] do you know how to make thunar NOT make shortcut to my harddriver on desktop and in thunar? [01:57] and swap space, begining of disk or where should one put it? === zoredache [n=zoredach@pdpc/supporter/active/zoredache] has joined #xubuntu [01:59] is anyone up to help with a questioon? I am browsing around in my filesystem with thunar, and whenever I click to go into a folder, it goes in. but about 3-8 seconds later it will automatically go back to the parent folder [01:59] I have filesystem access in the folder, and I can get into the folder in the shell [01:59] I am not finding anything on google [02:01] try to run thunar as root and see if you get in [02:05] yes, that seems to work, but I really don't want to be browsing around as root. Do you have any ideas as to what I would need to change for this to work as a regular user? [02:06] as root first try to chmod 755 dir [02:06] the folder is 0770, owned by a root, and a group that I a member of [02:06] okay, you probably have to change the group you are working in [02:06] the directory is s cifs mount [02:07] I don't think its enough to just be in the groups file, you also have to chgrp or something [02:07] don't remember, I'm a bit rusty [02:07] yeah, but how do you do a chgrp while in a gui... === mike6546 [n=mike@cpe-74-77-44-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:16] I didn't find anything on google, but try command: goups zoredache [02:17] and see if you really are a member of the group === hjw [n=hjw@h-68-166-72-61.nycmny83.covad.net] has joined #xubuntu === ianinhoose [n=ianinhoo@host81-158-165-18.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:32] yes I am a member of the group... [02:33] I my mount command so that directories come up with 0771 instead of 0770 and it seems to work... === zoredache shrugs === mike6546 [n=mike@cpe-74-77-44-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === hyper__ch [n=hyper@108.233.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #xubuntu === mike6546 [n=mike@cpe-74-77-44-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu [] === maxamillion [n=adam@166.128.70.44] has joined #xubuntu === michaelpo [n=presario@60.51.16.93] has joined #xubuntu === neozen [n=neozen@c-71-228-16-126.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:18] hoallo all [03:20] hi neozen === abrahm [n=kenny@CPE0011954e28ea-CM0012c999c848.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === john [n=john@64.252.88.25] has joined #xubuntu [03:29] whois [03:30] hi [03:30] anyone here? [03:33] me === michaelpo [n=presario@60.51.16.93] has left #xubuntu [] === mike6546 [n=mike@cpe-74-77-44-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === zoredache_ [n=zoredach@pdpc/supporter/active/zoredache] has joined #xubuntu [04:08] hoallo max [04:09] how's you? [04:09] me here too! [04:11] neozen: doing well, just trying to buy a laptop ... its apparently harder than pulling teeth [04:12] lol [04:12] I went w/ lenovo [04:12] neozen: i don't have that kind of money ... i am going with a compaq === neozen nods === neozen shrugs [04:12] $485 with a student discount === maxamillion huggles college [04:12] ....ic [04:13] yeah I paid a little more.... ::turns red:: [04:13] actually .... no, not huggle college .... i'm broke because of it :/ [04:13] its worth it mon [04:13] I scored a good job [04:13] now I code in java [04:13] for 8 hours a day [04:13] and I'm RICH! [04:14] neozen: how rich? [04:14] even though its a closed-source product... i'm working on building a repository for plugins so our clients can share freely [04:14] ....rich enough [04:14] neozen: nice, that's what i plan to do eventually [04:14] I can afford a share in a good apt with good people... in a party district [04:15] ~30min from my work [04:15] and right near everything else [04:15] lol [04:15] well, I get the average pay for my job [04:16] I have no job, and get no pay [04:16] can someone help me out a bit ? [04:16] abrahm: shoot? [04:17] I am stuck in 800*600 with my Nvidia restricted driver === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #xubuntu [04:17] and the window i wanna press apply on is longer than that === m0u5e [n=denniska@c-24-6-100-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:18] is there anything that can like drag the item thru to the next workspace ? [04:20] i'm guessing no :( [04:20] or is there a way to get 1024*768 ? === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache === shiznix [i=legends@ppp121-45-38-179.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #xubuntu === Kr4t05 [n=andrew@dsl-206-251-6-68.dsl0.crls.pa.net] has joined #xubuntu === abrahm [n=kenny@CPE0011954e28ea-CM0012c999c848.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] === Jester45 [n=Jester45@75-121-93-228.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu === Ben_Cs [n=benny@212.150.114.161] has joined #xubuntu [04:56] nini all === Jester45 [n=Jester45@75-121-93-228.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:10] how do you make the settings in xvidtune stay after X is restarted [05:10] Jester45: never heard of xvidtune [05:11] its in /usr/bin/xvidtune [05:11] Jester45: ah, just a moment [05:11] my screen is offset by 1/2 inch down and to the right [05:12] so i have to make it wider and send it up each time X is shutdown [05:12] Jester45: are you running it as sudo? [05:12] o [05:12] no [05:12] ;) [05:12] should i ? :) [05:12] Jester45: yup, only sudo/su can write to xorg.conf :) [05:13] i know that [05:13] i know ... just lending a friendly reminder ;) [05:14] i just wasnt thinking of how it does it [05:14] second question [05:14] if i have a iso and a cd made from that ise [05:14] iso* [05:15] should a md5sum file.iso be the same as md5sum /dev/cdrom ? [05:15] if the cd was made from the iso [05:16] or can i even do that [05:16] Jester45: i am honestly not sure if it works like that because i don't know if the encoding changes when it burns to the cdrom [05:16] Jester45: because if the encoding changes then the md5sum probably wouldn't match [05:16] !ndiswrapper [05:16] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [05:16] Guh... I can't find any specific howto on installing ndiswrapper [05:19] Kr4t05, get the deb's and install [05:20] Jester45, Yeah, I got it, [05:21] Kr4t05: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper [05:21] Kr4t05: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper [05:21] maxamillion, got a suggestion for a OS to install to play around with? [05:21] Kr4t05: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper/FAQ [05:21] Jester45: GNU/OpenSolaris [05:21] i want a fast one [05:21] and no gentoo [05:22] its fast after you set it up and i set one up and now im done with that [05:23] im thinking win98se... i have a cd and would like to see if i can get it to use less mem than my xubuntu === Jester45 uses 24mb once the desktop is up === xjkx [n=x@201009107041.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #xubuntu [05:23] at least thats what conky says [05:23] Ok, so there is this bug that freezes me on X, even my keyboard freezes, the mouse, everything, i cant just do anything ! although the machine keeps serving proxy lol? if i start vncserver, i can remotly log on other machine and kill X rofl, my point is, is there a way to give more priority to keyboard? or any other idea better than that [05:23] 24/3500 is pretty good [05:24] Eh... [05:24] I have xchat, firefox, gaim, and xterm open... 169/250MB [05:25] That seems abit much, no? [05:25] xjkx, that would be your x.org that does keyboard but.. it also controls part of vnc so maybe your X session is crashes because the proxy keeps working and that probly doesnt need X [05:25] well right now i have 1200/3500mb [05:25] the bug is on xfce, not in xorg :p [05:26] you sure? [05:26] i am [05:26] it could be xorg on xfce [05:26] meaning xfce cause xorg to mess up and what do you do to cause this [05:26] no, its not the only thing that happens, thats why i know [05:26] Kr4t05: no, that's about right ... firefox itself normally takes 45mb of ram ... and it adds about 15mb of ram per tab open (on average) [05:26] can you ssh in and see if X is taking 100% cpu? [05:27] or if anything that shouldnt is [05:27] it closes my xfce menu and i have to add again, my notes, xfce gets crazy when that happens, thats a good idea, will remember next time [05:27] Kr4t05, my ff is using 300mb [05:27] I can vnc, so i can ps [05:27] Gah... [05:27] Maybe I should try Swiftfox or Opera? [05:27] but it has been open for 3 weeks now [05:28] there is a mem leak in firefox ... i've had it run up to 980mb of ram usage before [05:28] Kr4t05: whats swiftfox? [05:28] I mean, I guess I have room to spare, as long as it's not up near 200 or more. [05:29] xjkx, redistribution of FF that is built for speed. [05:29] omg why not use it then [05:29] will download myself [05:29] Well... It depends. [05:29] Okay... Anyway. [05:30] I think I'll try to get Diablo II running. [05:30] as soon as i hit 3000mb i will start looking else where for mem saving === darwin81 [n=julio@226.138.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:30] i do like fast start ups like removing gdm [05:30] How do I install Xfce icons? [05:30] darwin81: which icon theme? ... alot of them are in the repos === Jester45 boots into windows.... [05:31] Does XFCE have an equivalent to gnome-main-menu? [05:31] be back tomarro [05:31] tonyyarusso, yes, the menu === tonyyarusso gets the feeling he may have asked a stupid question... [05:32] it only has one gnome's menu is stupid like that [05:32] maxamillion, Can I install nuoveXT even though it's meant for GNOME? [05:32] bye bye [05:32] Err, that's not what I meant. [05:33] See http://reverendted.wordpress.com/2006/06/17/show-me-that-new-gnome-main-menu/ [05:33] darwin81: sure [05:34] maxamillion: how? [05:34] darwin81: i dunno, never installed an icon set that wasn't in the repositories ... i like the Tango icon set :) [05:37] I wonder... [05:37] Okay... recommendations: Best lightweight audio player? [05:37] I'm thinking XMMS, but there could be something better. === mike6546 [n=mike@cpe-74-77-44-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === mike6546 [n=mike@cpe-74-77-44-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === mike6546 [n=mike@cpe-74-77-44-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu [] === cellofellow [n=josh@69-71-160-212.mammothnetworks.com] has joined #xubuntu === darwin81 [n=julio@226.138.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [06:03] Can I make panels transparent? [06:04] darwin81: if you enable Compsositing with xfwm4. [06:04] How can I do that? [06:04] turn it on in Window Manager Tweaks. [06:05] oh wow that makes everything a lot nicer [06:06] gives you transparent windows too. [06:06] not as cool as compiz, but close. [06:10] I wish my graphics would support composting. :( [06:10] No direct rendering support for my chipset. [06:10] Mine do, if I disable GLX. [06:10] That's with the nvidia-legacy driver. [06:10] Eh... [06:10] neomagic, here. === michaelpo [n=presario@60.51.16.93] has joined #xubuntu [06:11] nvidia or nvidia-new work with both compositing and GLX, but not nvidia-legacy. [06:11] Yeah, === michaelpo [n=presario@60.51.16.93] has left #xubuntu [] [06:29] Is there any way to get my external CD-RW drive to work without restarting> [06:31] should just work... [06:35] cellofellow, Sadly, it doesn't... [06:35] It's not a USB drive... But that IDE expansion port on the back of some laptops. [06:35] You know what I mean? [06:35] oh, huh. I assumed USB. I don't think Linux has any IDE hotplugging built in by default, at least on Ubuntu. [06:37] I'll try the forums. === Catoptromancy [n=catw@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu === tuna-fish [n=tuna@tunamasiina.kortex.jyu.fi] has joined #xubuntu === maxamillion [n=adam@166.128.70.44] has joined #xubuntu === Arkh [n=Arkh@62.152.122.140] has joined #xubuntu === ablomen [n=ablomen@unaffiliated/ablomen] has joined #xubuntu === s|k_ [n=bjorn@g2spf.jeeves.ask.info] has joined #xubuntu [09:56] anyone using compiz on xubuntu gutsy? when I switch to compiz, it removes xfwm4 but seems to be missing a replacement - ie I lose all my window borders and workspace switching and so on [09:57] guessing it expects another WM to be there but I don;t know which [10:02] darrend: it requires a separae window decorator, like emerald [10:02] !compiz [10:02] Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects [10:03] TheSheep: hmm, ok. wonder why it's not listed as a dependency then.. [10:04] darrend: because there are several of them you can use [10:04] ah.. thanks [10:06] emerald appears to do nothing.. no output (at all) when run from a terminal either. Just sits there. [10:07] darrend: and draws the window decorations [10:08] no it doesn't. It appears to do nothing. [10:09] I use emerald on my feisty desktop with beryl, so I'm vaguely familiar with it [10:09] but it does nada on this gutsy laptop at the moment [10:09] darrend: maybe they will help you on #ubuntu-effects [10:09] thx. I'll try === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #xubuntu === hhlp [n=hhlp@126.Red-83-55-228.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === Ben_Cs [n=benny@212.150.114.161] has joined #xubuntu [11:13] hello === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-20-114.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === neozen [n=neozen@c-71-228-16-126.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:46] hello xubuntu world [12:46] hows every one this morning === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #xubuntu === Ben_Cs [n=benny@212.150.114.161] has joined #xubuntu [01:01] i connected my ipod shuffle to comp, and run amarok, but get the error: Klibloader could not load the plugin: libamarok_ipod-mediadevice Error-message: libgpod.so.1 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. [01:01] please help === m0u5e [n=denniska@c-24-6-100-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === zials [n=zials@bas3-windsor12-1177961753.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #xubuntu === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.128] has joined #xubuntu === sylvander_ [n=sylvande@ACD5F4CA.ipt.aol.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:18] in windows after several seconds (after i connect my ipod shuffle) the light that signal "device busy, don't disconnect" is off. but in linux it is on all the time. ideas? [01:31] is there a way to make in xubuntu that when i unmount a usb device, that it wont get electricity (like windows does)? === Starting logfile irclogs/xubuntu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #xubuntu === Topic for #xubuntu: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Downloads: http://xubuntu.org/get | Gutsy Tribe 5 (UNSTABLE): http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/ === Topic (#xubuntu): set by Pumpernickel at Fri Aug 24 08:10:16 2007 === MBR666 [n=bryan@pool-70-16-41-194.buff.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === Smygis [n=smygis@e611.cust.vannas.net] has joined #xubuntu === Ben_Cs [n=chatzill@212.150.114.161] has joined #xubuntu [02:59] hello [03:01] is there a way to make wine run progs made for winXP? === maxamillion [n=adam@204.57.114.159] has joined #xubuntu [03:04] Ben_Cs: I suggest you just test out the ones you want, the support that wine has for applications is all over the board and a lot of variables are involved [03:04] there is no way to say "XP applications will work" or something, some will, some won't [03:04] itunes doesn't === MaxFrames [i=IceChat7@147.162.217.235] has joined #xubuntu [03:05] hello [03:05] Ben_Cs: have you tried amarok? I don't know much about it or iTunes, but it's generally what people use as a replacement [03:05] how do I include a command in the xwindows startup sequence, so that the command runs every time I start a session? === boarderwinterman [n=boarder-@p508DD782.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:06] pleia2: it's ok but itunes work better with ipod, obviously === rm130 [n=rm130@vpn.conroeisd.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:06] Ben_Cs: a google search for "itunes in linux" appears to yield some useful results [03:06] Is there some program that can detect if I have the right drivers or not for my computer? [03:07] similar to driver genius for windows [03:07] because I'm pretty sure I don't have the correct drivers for this machine's video card [03:08] if you need to interface with an ipod, check out gtkpod [03:08] !info gtkpod [03:08] gtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.8-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 528 kB, installed size 2220 kB [03:08] one thing that annoys me: when conncting ipod, it has a light indicating wether the device is busy. in windows the light is on for a sec when connecting ipod to pc and then it's off, indicating device is not busy. in ubuntu it indicates "device busy" all the time. WTF? is it connected with: when mounting DOK and then unmounting it, still the electricity to it isn't disconnected (as opposed... [03:08] ...to windows)? [03:09] Ben_Cs: depends on the software interfacing with the device, if i write a program that tells the device to alert "busy" only at initial connection, then it will ... on the other hand i can tell it to be kept as busy the entire session === ShackJack [n=nate@70.88.251.221] has joined #xubuntu [03:10] maxamillion: i think it's less an issue of a certain app, and more an issue of the OS [03:10] no? [03:11] Ben_Cs: nope [03:12] Ben_Cs: it all depends on what signals i am sending the device, now it could however be the daemon that handles hot swappable devices ... but i assume the same behavior could be replicated with any OS [03:12] maximillion: when i connect ipod and don't open any app, the "busy" light is still on all the time. so i still think it's an OS issue [03:13] wonder if there's a winXP like behaviour for linux [03:14] can anyone help me with my request? :) [03:15] Hi all ... I'm a bit newish to the Xubuntu environment (I use GNOME/ubuntu a good deal though)... couple questions: I noticed update-notifier isn't installed in the default package - does XFCE have something like that automatically running or should I install and add to startup progs if I want it running? [03:18] Ben_Cs: well, that is simply the daemon that handles interfacing with the dynamic mounting of the device ... and technically, any OS could have a device management daemon that would act exactly the same among any OS .... but for all practical purposes (since different OS's use different device management methods) we will just call it an OS issue [03:19] ShackJack: you can install the auto update client yourself and put it in "autostarted applications" and its operation will then mimic that of the gnome/ubuntu enviornment [03:20] maxamillion: well since there's no official itunes for linux (damn apple, support Winblows but not Linux) i'll stick to the dual boot [03:20] hello....please....I need to know how to run a command automatically at boot in xubuntu.... [03:20] Ben_Cs: fair enough [03:20] MaxFrames: at boot or at login? ... very different [03:20] maxamillion: Thanks... I suppose it's the same for the nifty nm-applet think too.. which is what I was alos gonna ask :) [03:20] both, if possible. I need to know how to do both [03:21] i want to use synergy to use just a single keyboard+mouse with two PCs, so I need to have synergy starting at boot, then quitting, then starting again at logon [03:21] http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/autostart.html => how to apply this to xubuntu [03:22] ShackJack: yup, exactly the same there as well :) [03:22] MaxFrames: synergy2 has documentation on their site on how to do it using gdm (which is the login manager xubuntu uses) [03:24] maxamillion: so I just have to follow the instructions for gdm right? === MBR666 [n=bryan@pool-141-149-245-211.buff.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-35-182.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [03:28] MaxFrames: right [03:34] mmm... there is no "sessions" folder inside gdm folder [03:34] instead there are two folders... presession and postsession [03:39] anyway... I edited the file in "presession" and it seemed to work === MaxFrames [i=IceChat7@147.162.217.235] has left #xubuntu [] [03:53] Hi - under xubuntu in Firefox, can anyone tell me why the menu type/tab type font is so large? It is not that way in T-Bird - is there a way to correct it? [03:53] ShackJack: check the font size defaults in preferences [03:56] maxamillion: Hi - thanks - yes under content... It only seem to affects fonts on the pages... [03:59] ShackJack: ah ... hmmm [03:59] ShackJack: you might want to enter about:config into the adress space and see if there is a setting there [03:59] maxamillion: K - thanks... Xubuntu has T-bird in by default, but its menus look normal... === Arkh [n=Arkh@62.152.122.140] has joined #xubuntu [04:02] Whew! update-notifier has a lot of dependencies - has anyone installed it on low-spec Xubuntu systems? does running update-notifier drag things down? === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #xubuntu [04:06] ShackJack: yes, it generally uses a decent amount of ram ... which is why its not included by default [04:07] maxamillion: Well, I guess I can always try it... I'm only working with 192MB :) [04:08] ShackJack: report back how it goes, i'd be interested to know if it would hurt that system [04:08] I looked and they both share many of the same package dependencies, so I might as well try running both.. that nm-applet is sweet... [04:08] maxamillion: Will do I'm messing with it now.... === snook3r [n=snook3r@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:10] ShackJack: yeah, nm-applet is really nice ... a little heavy on resources and its light weight alternatives are still under heavy development ... but its nice none the less === kalikiana_ [n=kalikian@xdsl-213-168-120-226.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === kalikiana__ [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-113-249.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [04:18] maxamillion: Welll... with nm-applet and update-notifier running -- 104MB on idle system... Without nm-applet 63MB, without both 59MB... [04:18] maxamillion: 40MB is a bit of a heavy hit on a 192MB system :) [04:19] maxamillion: Thugh maybe I'll play with it and see how it runs [04:20] ShackJack: yeah, and as soon as you start running things like firefox you will lose about another 40mb of ram === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-117-154.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [04:20] maxamillion: Hmmm.. although when I run from command line... it only ads a few megs... Maybe I'll try autostarting from a reboot and see if that makes any difference... [04:21] maxamillion: Have you tried using seamonkey or opera? Are they significantly lighter on resources? [04:22] ShackJack: i have been told opera is a little lighter, but i think seamonkey is actually heavier === Kr4t05 [n=andrew@dsl-206-251-9-167.dsl0.crls.pa.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:23] My panels are missing. [04:23] Help? [04:24] Kr4t05: alt+f2 should open a run dialog, enter "xfce4-panel &" into the run dialog and then click "run" and make sure to save session on logout ... you will be fine [04:24] maxamillion, Thanks. [04:24] Dunno why it didn't stay last time I logged out... [04:27] maxamillion: Memory usage on freshly booted desktop is 59MB/186MB with nm-applet and update-notifier running.... I guess that's not too big a price to pay for the convenience (I turned off some services too) === sparrw [n=kvirc@71.16.203.242] has joined #xubuntu [04:33] ShackJack: that's not half bad [04:36] maxamillion: Not too bad... after opening/closing proggies and such it comes up to 90MB (keeping stuff cached maybe)... but it's fairly usable ... It's a 500Mhz Celeron (circa 2000 - 3?) with 192MB [04:40] Anyone used vlc on Xubuntu? That gxine doesn't seem so hot... === elbing [n=elbing@81.Red-88-12-195.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === Chriswaterguy [n=chatzill@125.164.201.218] has joined #xubuntu [04:43] ShackJack: i used vlc .... gxine never worked for me [04:43] well i am outta here ... bbl === ShackJack [n=nate@70.88.251.221] has left #xubuntu [] === maxamillion [n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu] has joined #xubuntu === JohanSalim [n=guest@ip84-223.cbn.net.id] has joined #xubuntu === JohanSalim [n=guest@ip84-223.cbn.net.id] has joined #xubuntu === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp220-116.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #xubuntu === ShackJack [n=nate@70.88.251.221] has joined #xubuntu [05:42] Hi all... having any minor shutdown issue with Ubuntu... It goes through the process, but then stops at "system halted" and doesn't actually shut the computer off... Is there a setting or extra module perhaps I have to load? [05:43] ShackJack: you have an old computer? [05:43] (pre 1999) [05:43] TheSheep: Pretty old - a circa 2000 iSeries Thinkpad ... Celeron 500 w/192MB [05:43] argh [05:44] ShackJack: then you have to explicitly enable acpi in your kernel parameters [05:44] ShackJack: sounds like an ACPI issue to me [05:44] lol [05:44] see the top of dmesg for details === maxamillion was too slow [05:45] anyhoo ... i have class in about 10 minutes so i will be off ... bbl === limetang [n=ircwhore@80-45-90-17.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:48] TheSheep: maxamillion: I had them checked in my services think before (acpi/apmd) though it was the same effect... So I need to add acpi explicityly to /etc/modules is what you're saying... [05:48] maxamillion: Start of school - yay! [05:48] ShackJack: no, you need an option for your kernel added to the /boot/grub/menu.lst [05:49] ShackJack: you should have something like this in your logs: [05:49] ACPI :BIOS age (1999) [05:49] > fails cutoff(2001) acpi=force is required to enable ACPI === JohanSalim [n=guest@ip84-223.cbn.net.id] has joined #xubuntu === faemir [n=faemir@85-211-16-164.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [05:59] TheSheep: Ahh -- gotcha so just add acpi=force to the end of the grub command - no need to put a dash or double dash in front of that, right? [05:59] no [05:59] no need [06:00] TheSheep: Sorry for my ignorance, but is that on the kernel line I assume? [06:01] (not initrd) [06:01] ShackJack: yes, where you have 'quite' and 'splash' and such [06:01] quiet [06:01] TheSheep: Thanks -- trying it now :) [06:03] TheSheep, I'm running xubuntu with 512 megs of ram, but my swap gets used pretty often; do you think it is normal? [06:03] Arkh: depends on what you do [06:04] mmhm, xchat + firefox + openoffice ? [06:04] oh pidgin too.. [06:04] Arkh: but unless you use some java apps or have dozens of tabs open in firefox, it shuldn't use swap [06:05] mmkay, in fact it seemed pretty strange to me [06:06] and lately I have noticed a constant presence of zombies in top [06:06] all [defunct] $program_name [06:06] running xubuntu feisty btw :) === xork [n=xork@cpe-66-68-129-167.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [06:08] Arkh: but what program? [06:08] Arkh: you can run top ans press O two times to get result sorted by the memory used [06:08] a lot of 'em, like evince or firefox or exaile [06:09] TheSheep: Thanks that worked out great.... [06:09] I do use conky and I can see the top3 memory usage programs.. === joakim [n=Leho@adsl23205.estpak.ee] has joined #xubuntu [06:10] evince also loads a lot of gnome libraries [06:11] arkham@acerus:~$ ps -Af | grep defunct [06:11] arkham 5246 5194 0 16:05 ? 00:00:19 [evince] [06:11] yeah, it is happening right now lol [06:11] the ppid of that process is the one of xfdesktop, but I can't understand why [06:18] Arkh: you have an evicne icon on your desktop? [06:18] evince [06:18] arrgh, it's evolution that loads gnome libs, evince is fairly ok :) === Niklasiiiiii [n=nikeycis@pppoe1-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #xubuntu === Niklasiiiiii [n=nikeycis@pppoe1-ves.broadcom.dk] has left #xubuntu [] === Niklasiiiiii [n=nikeycis@pppoe1-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #xubuntu [06:30] can anybody help me with some trivial mosml questions for 2 mins ? [06:31] !ask | Niklasiiiiii [06:31] Niklasiiiiii: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-117-154.netcologne.de] has left #xubuntu ["http://software.twotoasts.de?page=midori"] [06:35] ok im a total noob conserning mosml.. the question is define a function that for an english noun in plural except for the words man, woman,mice and sheep ! [06:35] thanks [06:40] what's mosml? [06:40] moscow ml! [06:41] don't they speak Russian in there? :/ [06:41] some outdated computer program [06:41] well i dont [06:42] Niklasiiiiii: anyways, English plurals is a bit cimplicated thing [06:42] Niklasiiiiii: I had a complete set of rules somewhere, it was three pages long [06:42] and there are of course exception, as you mentioned [06:42] I'd also add 'fish' === The-Kernel [n=The-Kern@67-150-246-251.oak.mdsg-pacwest.com] has joined #xubuntu === Shiko [n=shaka@77.81.100.149] has joined #xubuntu === Shiko [n=shaka@77.81.100.149] has left #xubuntu [] [07:07] TheSheep: hiho [07:07] h hyper__ch [07:08] TheSheep: you're also savy on cpus? [07:09] hyper__ch: I'm mostly a software guy [07:09] TheSheep: oh :) I need an advice on what performs better... [07:09] hyper__ch: can't afford playing with hardware [07:09] hyper__ch: I can ask my coworkers [07:09] TheSheep: neither can I... that's why I want to know first ;) === boogie [n=boogie@p548A2C1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #xubuntu [07:11] TheSheep: Intel Core Duo T2250 (1.73 Ghz, 2 MB L2 Cache) vs. AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-56 (1.8 Ghz, 1 MB L2 Cache) what would perform better... for the amd I would use 64bit system and the intel cpu is labelled as "Core duo" and not "Core 2 Duo" - I dunno if that is a difference === c00i90wn [n=cooldown@pepperz.de] has joined #xubuntu [07:13] is there a xubuntun gutsy support channel? [07:14] !gutsy | c00i90wn [07:14] c00i90wn: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 [07:14] ubotu: but that's for ubuntu :/ [07:14] hyper__ch: um...look I would usually say the Core, but it's a Laptop CPU, is that what you're planning on getting? If not the always use a Core 2 Duo, which is better for desktops [07:14] c00i90wn: xubuntu is ubuntu [07:14] Turion is also better suited for laptops, not to be used for Desktops [07:15] The-Kernel: yeah, it's a notebook [07:15] c00i90wn: then again, you can ask here too! [07:15] The problem I'm having is that xubuntu isn't launching any WM [07:15] c00i90wn: TheSheep knows everything (well, almost) [07:16] if I try compiz I get no decorators (windows borders,etc) [07:16] if I start xfwm4 I get window decorations but I'm too used to compiz already :/ [07:17] hyper__ch: go with the Core Duo, Turion's have had a heat problem [07:17] The-Kernel: thx [07:18] hyper__ch: but that's the only reason as to why not to use Turion [07:18] so...maybe go with the one that is cheapest? Or if the heat does bother you... [07:18] TheSheep: any idea on that problem? === ShackJack [n=nate@70.88.251.221] has left #xubuntu [] [07:20] c00i90wn: compiz requires a separate window decorator, it doesn't decorate windows by itself [07:20] !compiz [07:20] Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects [07:22] TheSheep: What I thought but I never understood why it decorates windows on Ubuntu :/ [07:22] TheSheep: By ubuntu read gnome [07:22] c00i90wn: because metacity doubles as a decorator [07:23] c00i90wn: while xfwm4 can't run together with another wm [07:23] TheSheep: Oh I see, what should I install for decorator for xfce? [07:23] TheSheep: How is gusty xubuntu doing it? [07:24] TheSheep: My xfce is not a xubuntu installation but a Ubuntu installation with xubuntu-desktop package [07:24] c00i90wn: you just have to use some other window decorator, you can't use the xfce's one, I guess it depends on your preferences which one you use [07:25] c00i90wn: I always used beryl and it has kind of a simple build in decorator [07:27] TheSheep: but xubuntu gusty is supposed to have compiz-fusion by default, which did the dev choose for it? === SuprUsr [n=andrew@dsl-206-251-5-110.dsl0.crls.pa.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:31] How can I completely remove any changes I might have made to XFCE and go back to the default theme? [07:31] c00i90wn: I don't know anything about it. I know *ubuntu* gutsy has compiz-fusion by default, xubuntu not. [07:31] Rather, which dotfiles should I obliterate? [07:31] SuprUsr: ~/.config/* [07:32] TheSheep: Thanks. [07:32] SuprUsr: ah, and ~/.local/* [07:32] Double thanks. [07:32] and maybe ~/.cache/* [07:32] Kay. [07:33] TheSheep: OK, Thanks for everything! [07:33] Rockin'. [07:33] I managed to install a theme that xfce4-session didn't like. === soweto76 [n=jack@d226-43-189.home.cgocable.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:50] xfburn seems to have stopped working. Trying to burn .iso: Operation finished -- all dialogs show "no info". === SoulChild [n=eshat@dslb-084-060-008-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:50] Okay,... i just compiled my first kernel but i get this error: "init: unable to open control socket: Adress family not supported" any ideas ??? [07:53] SoulChild: you didn't include some protocol that is required, it seems [07:55] TheSheep: but which one ,... [07:57] SoulChild: no idea [08:00] hmnmm, why did aptitude want to deinstall libdvdcss2 === ablomen [n=ablomen@unaffiliated/ablomen] has joined #xubuntu === MBR666 [n=bryan@pool-141-149-241-243.buff.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === Arkh [n=Arkh@62.152.122.140] has joined #xubuntu === MBR666 [n=bryan@pool-70-16-43-154.buff.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === Arkh [n=Arkh@62.152.122.140] has joined #xubuntu === SoulChild [n=eshat@dslb-084-060-008-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #xubuntu [08:39] hey i just compiled a vanilla kernel but i get: "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt_464c" at boot ,.. any ideas ??? [08:40] x86-64? === Kr4t05 [n=andrew@dsl-206-251-5-110.dsl0.crls.pa.net] has joined #xubuntu [08:41] This quest is neverending, it seems. [08:41] Alright, I have an irritating problem. [08:42] I'm trying to get my desktop (herein refered to as "PC1") to share it's network via wlan0. [08:43] This is all well and good, but my laptop's (herein refered to as "alcatraz") wlan0 isn't giving me any sweet lovin', === Smygis [n=smygis@e611.cust.vannas.net] has joined #xubuntu [08:43] I've installed the RTL8180L drivers in ndiswrapper as instructed by the wiki. [08:44] And, at first, the device works fine, it's detected and the LED blinks. [08:45]