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jkb973just finished install of Edubuntu 7.04 -- no education apps!04:21
jkb973they were there OK when running live CD, but didn't install04:21
jkb973any suggestions?04:21
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sbalneavjkb973: You need the server addon cd04:22
jkb973wow. even tho it's on the live CD? I'm not running LTS or anything...04:23
sbalneavThere wasn't enough room for all the langpacks.  The live cd only has a few langpacks.  The install has them all.04:25
sbalneavSo, the education apps got moved off to the addon cd.04:25
jkb973sorry for being thick about this, but when I booted the live CD I was able to run the Edu apps. But they weren't there after I did a real install to HD. That's expected?04:30
sbalneavyes04:30
jkb973ok, thanks. I thought I was losing it. I'll DL the addon CD. Is it self-explanatory to install from the addon CD?04:32
sbalneavReally, we'd like to go with a dvd install, so we can get the live pkgs and install on there as well, but a lot of the countries that use edubuntu don't have widespread penetration of dvd drives.04:32
sbalneavYep, just insert it into the drive, and it auto-starts the installer.04:32
sbalneaveasy-peasy.04:33
jkb973sweet. thanks!04:34
jkb973anybody have recommendations for good educational software above and beyond what's included in the Edubuntu distro for grades K-8?04:43
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boyamhmmm funny you should ask that.  edubuntu already includes most of the best open source sfwr for ed purposes04:52
boyamnot saying that theres not more out there....but that edubuntu already offers so much...04:53
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dean_za_hi , i have posted to the mailing list , but i was hoping someone might have some ideas ,08:47
dean_za_I have no idea what could have changed , I have had a running server for08:47
dean_za_3 weeks , ubuntu fiesty with ltsp 5 . I experimented with xterminator08:47
dean_za_yesterday but had problems with vmware server crashing so I uninstalled08:47
dean_za_it. I cannot login to my thin clients anymore. I have rebuilt my08:47
dean_za_ltsp-client chroot and still nothing. I know my user profiles are ok as08:47
dean_za_I can login via nxclient and get my desktop.08:47
dean_za_I had previously been using the modified ldm , but now I am back to the08:47
dean_za_standard one.08:47
dean_za_Yesterday about three times my session just crashed thats why i went08:47
dean_za_back and uninstalled xterminator08:47
dean_za_i have also rebooted using the original kernel-2.6.20-15 , i have run08:47
dean_za_ltsp-update-kernels and ltsp-update-sshkeys since rebuilding the08:47
dean_za_ltsp-client.08:47
dean_za_Does anyone have any ideas , my office has come to a standstill.08:47
dean_za_I get the login screen , then i enter username /password and I get the08:47
dean_za_spinning circle then back to the login screen08:47
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RichEdhi dean_za_09:03
RichEdtry your question in #ltsp ?09:03
RichEdor else ogra should be up and around soon09:04
dean_za_Thanks RichEd09:20
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gordonanybody knows how to set a max size for home folder for client on edu?10:23
juliuxgordon, you can use quota10:25
gordonok, now just have to find out how to do that lol10:27
juliuxthere is a package called quota10:28
gordono, ok, thx10:28
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shriphaniis there an edubuntu bible ?10:38
RichEdshriphani: it's called the edubuntu handbook / cookbook10:52
RichEdlet me get the link for you10:53
RichEd( hi by the way :)10:53
shriphanihello.11:00
shriphanibrb...11:10
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RichEdshriphani: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation/Handbook11:27
ogradean_za_, that could be bug 10570911:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 105709 in ltsp "sound config not reset after thin client usage" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10570911:28
ograoh, he's gone11:29
RichEdpity ... he sounded a bit stressed ... but edubuntugirl can keep an eye out for him11:30
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RichEdedubuntugirl: tell dean_za that could be bug 10570911:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 105709 in ltsp "sound config not reset after thin client usage" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10570911:30
edubuntugirlRighto, RichEd!11:30
RichEdedubuntugirl: tell dean_za_ that could be bug 10570911:30
edubuntugirlRighto, RichEd!11:30
RichEdhi ollie :)11:30
ograhey11:33
ogra*sigh*11:34
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ogras11:34
stgraberfiltering server-side rocks for that :)11:36
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ograstgraber, i do both11:53
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JenZbehi all, anyone awake?12:20
ograzzzzZZZZZZ12:20
ogra:)12:20
JenZbelolz12:20
JenZbecan i ask you a question or 2 ?12:20
ograjust ask :) dont ask to ask12:21
JenZbeif u talk dutch i can copy paste from #ubuntu-nl where i made the question allready :)12:21
ograsorry, german, english and a bit of french12:21
JenZbeah ok, english it will be12:21
JenZbeich spreche nicht gut deutch12:21
ograeven though i sometimes understand some of the dutch i hear :)12:21
JenZbei work in a school12:22
JenZbegot 2 domains (win2003)12:22
JenZbeone for administration12:22
JenZbeone for teachers and students12:22
JenZbenow the teachers and students dont really require a personal profile12:22
JenZbethey need to surf and type12:22
JenZbethats all12:22
JenZbeso i wanna convert to (edu)ubuntu clients12:23
JenZbe3 accounts12:23
JenZbeadministrator (me), 'teacher' and 'student'12:23
JenZbethat means 1 account for all pupils12:23
ograthat wont work12:23
JenZbewhy not?12:24
ograat least not if you want them logged in simultaneously with the same account12:24
JenZbei dont need central management12:24
JenZbethey dont need to log on to a server12:24
ograthge apps write settings in the same file all the time ...12:24
JenZbei want to get rid of (win2k3)server12:24
ograyou could try a kiosk setup or so ... but that would give you only one account (which looses all settings on logout)12:25
JenZbethe only thing the student needs is a 'personal' folder on a 'students'-folder which will be pwd-protected12:25
JenZbebut that is my idea12:25
JenZbereal 'local' machines12:25
JenZbeexact copies of eachother (no server stuff based)12:26
JenZbethey only need openoffice and firefox12:26
JenZbeand a pwd-protected file on the server where they can put files12:26
JenZbei wanna get rid of the big win-profiles12:26
ograyeah i understand12:27
ograbut that will need a decent manual setup ...12:27
JenZbebut that wont be a problem i guess12:28
JenZbei make 1 copy of a decent system and then ... ghost it? :)12:28
ograno12:28
ograyou take an ltsp setup and turn it into a real desktop ... and make your clients netboot12:29
ograadd your three accounts there :)12:29
JenZbehmm12:30
JenZbeso you propose a server-client system12:30
ograsomething like that, yes12:31
ograthat way you have the accounts temporary per machine ... if you would have three real aacounts centralized you will always have the clashing12:32
ografirefox and openoffice are no friends of concurring access to tehir cache and settings12:32
JenZbeppl i'm off to dinner -> thnx for the info (copy paste and i'll read it later again) TNX all12:33
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shriphanihp's online sale system is so crap.01:09
shriphaniat the end of the selection and other crap I am asked to register..01:13
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DigeratiXdoes edubuntu come with any porn filtering software?02:50
DigeratiXor should I just installed dans gaurdian02:50
ogrause dans guardian (or willow-ng)02:51
ograwe cant ship dansguarian, it has a nonferee license02:51
DigeratiXohh02:51
ograthere is smoothwall on the server addon CD, but thats better to run on a separate machine (its a full standalone firewall with filtering etc)02:52
ogradansguardian is fine if you want to use it, we're just not allowed to have it on the CD02:52
shriphaniogra: not allowed to have a pr0n filter on an educational distro ?02:54
DigeratiXgotta have a free licenese02:55
ograshriphani, ask the dansguardian author about his licensing :)02:55
ograits free but not distributable02:55
shriphanibtw what is svg? is it a different image format ?02:55
ograits his choice ... he's free to license it as he likes02:56
Kamping_Kaiserogra, not destributable?02:56
ograsvg is a vector drawing format02:56
DigeratiXspecial vector graphic02:56
DigeratiXsomething like that02:56
ograKamping_Kaiser, yeah02:56
Kamping_KaiserDigeratiX, scalable02:56
DigeratiXyes!02:56
Kamping_Kaiserogra, hadnt noticed that.... thats a .... pain02:56
ograKamping_Kaiser, its free, but you caqnt put it on CDs with the license restrictions it has02:56
Kamping_Kaisercrazy02:57
ograi was hoping willow-ng would become a good replacement at some point, especially because itds pretty much maintenance free02:57
ograbut nobody picked up maintenance for it yet02:58
sbalneavMorning ogra!02:58
Amaranth*cough*02:58
edubuntugirlAmaranth: by the way, highvoltage told me to tell you 'BOO!' 26 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes and 11 seconds ago (on Fri Aug 10 23:08:19 2007)02:58
ograscottie !02:58
Amaranthwhoa02:58
sbalneavWhat's willow-ng?02:58
ogracontent webfilter02:58
Kamping_KaiserAmaranth, lol, gday mate02:58
ograusing bayesian filtering02:58
Kamping_Kaiseris it packaged?02:58
ogra(so somewhet self learning)02:58
ograyes02:58
Amaranthwith a crappy tokenizer02:59
Amaranth:P02:59
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Kamping_Kaiserdans sets a pretty high standard, have to say02:59
ograwell, its different from dansguardian02:59
ograits rather to be run on a standalone ltsp server :)02:59
Amaranthother than endless tweaking of the classifier all it really needs is a better tokenizer and some overall polish03:00
Kamping_Kaisersuppose i'll have to look at it when herron starts being worked on03:00
Amaranthand it's getting closer and closer to the top of my todo list :)03:00
Kamping_Kaiserls03:01
ograAmaranth, come on,  you are busy ... lets just find an adopter :=03:01
ogra:)03:01
sbalneavSo, ogra, Tomorrow is FIF \o/.  I'll be setting the alarm for 5:30 tomorrow, and should be online at 0600.  My plan is to stay online till 0000.  18 hours of bugfix :)03:01
Kamping_Kaisero_003:02
ogradont get yourself exhausted :)03:02
ogradunno if you noticed, i uploaded a new ltsp tofday03:02
ogramerged all your changed03:02
ogra*changes03:02
Amaranthogra: just need to get me in the mood to write a good tokenizer and fix the error pages :)03:02
sbalneavYes!  Just saw03:03
sbalneavwhat about ltspfs package?03:03
ograAmaranth, yeah, but its a good starting point for newcomers as well03:03
AmaranthKamping_Kaiser: willowng is really small, mostly thanks to the built-in http server i abuse to do the proxying03:03
ograsbalneav, after i finished g-p-m03:03
sbalneavmerging your stuff in now.03:03
Amarantherr, the built-in http server in python03:03
ografirst i need to make seb happy, he wants gnome to be complete today03:03
Amaranthgnome is important :)03:04
shriphaniyes i need the logo... edubuntu's.03:04
ograpfft, its only power management ... who needs that anyway03:04
Kamping_KaiserAmaranth, found the project on LP, just having issues with LP1 and finding what i want to know about it ;)03:04
Kamping_KaiserAmaranth, does it have a wiki page or something?03:07
Amaranthnope03:07
sbalneavogra: man, all that sweat and toil for just a few lines, eh?  Remember when I had the bug with the whacky keyboard?  I spend like 20 hours on that, turned out I just wasn't closing stdin when I forked xorg.  It always amazes me how much effort it sometimes takes for such a small number of lines of code :)03:07
Kamping_Kaiserwell i'm not interested enough to do a source checkout *grin*03:07
Kamping_Kaisersbalneav, at least when theres a big problem, its in your face :|03:08
sbalneavheh03:08
ograsbalneav, eeek, i just saw i forgot the most essential dit :P03:08
ogra*bit03:08
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sbalneavogra: have we merged in the changes yet about specifying the nfs server ip on the root path line from vagrant's tree yet?03:20
ograsince months ... that was fixed in initramfs-tools in the beginning of gutsy03:21
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sbalneavok, so now we can do rootpath="1.2.3.4:/foo"03:22
ograinitramfs-tools (0.85eubuntu13) gutsy; urgency=low03:22
ogra  * fix nfsroot handling if rootserver is specified with IP and colon in03:22
ogra    root-path (debian bug #387808)03:22
ogra -- Oliver Grawert <ogra@ubuntu.com>  Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:19:49 +020003:22
ubotuDebian bug 387808 in initramfs-tools "initramfs-tools: scripts/nfs doesn't properly handle when server-ip is included in root-path" [Normal,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/38780803:22
sbalneavso jammcq saying on the mailing list that it isn't fixed in ubuntu yet's wrong.03:22
sbalneavok, I'll correct him.03:22
ogranot in feisty :)03:22
sbalneavright.03:22
ograand its not ne3eded in gutsy ;)03:22
ogranbd != nfs :)03:23
sbalneavright, but if someone WANTS to switch to nfs, and have this option, they have it.03:23
ograright03:25
sbalneavhow do we specify a separate nbd server, just in case the NBD server was going to be different from the ltsp server?  Via a pxe config option?03:25
ogranbdroot or nbdserver in PXE config03:26
sbalneavI think I saw that, just a kernel command line.  NBDSERVER or something?03:26
ogranot capitalized03:26
ograsee client/initramfs/scripts/ltsp-nbd03:27
ograsbalneav, merge my tree again ... thats the actual fix for all the udeb troubles :)03:28
Kamping_KaiserAmaranth, last commit a year ago? on willow-ng.. is that correct?03:28
Amaranth:/03:28
Amaranthyeah, uh, um03:29
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juliuxogra, do you knwo where in /proc i can find the ip address of my network devices?03:29
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ograjuliux, somewhere in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ i'd guess03:30
juliuxhm ok03:30
Kamping_KaiserAmaranth, lol... i could almost keep up with that development cycle03:31
Amaranthjuliux: it's not in /proc/system/net/ipv4/conf/03:32
Amaranthso don't waste time in there :)03:32
juliuxAmaranth, thxs, i used grep -r ;)03:33
Amaranthi get stuck somewhere doing that03:33
Amaranthwhere is it then?03:33
juliuxi am still searching03:34
Amaranthit seems to get stuck somewhere03:34
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Amaranthi don't think your IP address is exposed in /proc03:35
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ograIP=$(ip -o -f inet addr show | sed -e 's,.* \(.*\)/.*,\1,' | grep -v '^127')03:45
ogratry that one03:45
ograit will return all external IPs though03:46
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shriphaniare there pics of edubuntu deployed at schools ?04:11
bddebianHowdy04:11
shriphaninot screenshots. pics of geeky teachers smiling and etc.04:11
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ograsbalneav, nay idea about bug 134865 ? we shoiuld add that to the list for tomorrow ...04:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134865 in ltsp "x11-common segfaults in ltsp chroot in xen dom0" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13486504:26
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sbalneavogra: No, I've got zippo.  I've *never* played with xen <hangs head in shame>04:51
ograxen isnt relevant04:52
sbalneavit isnt?04:52
ograwe need him to put set -x into the x11-common postinst and make him run dpkg-configure -a or apt-get -f install on the broken chroot04:52
ograso we see whats broken04:52
sbalneavThis leads to an interesting question, though.  We get a lot of people who want to run edubuntu under xen/vmware/etc.  Are we going to start "officially" supporting that?04:54
ograwell, i think we support xen04:55
sbalneavThen I guess I'll have to learn it. :) You ever played with it?04:55
ograeven thooug ...04:56
ograseems its all in uni/multiverse04:56
ograso we dont really have to care (but we should have it running roughly, many people will use it this way i guess)04:56
sbalneavThat's what I'm thinking.04:57
ograi'm usually testing VirtualBox clients04:57
sbalneavCore duo boxes supoort the widgetry in hardware that makes xen work, right?04:57
ogra(at least once before release)04:57
ograno idea, i'm clueless if it comes to xen04:57
boyami can't imagine why someone would setup a production edubuntu/ltsp server in a vm unless it's for testing purposes....seems to me to be a waste of resources...but that's me talking04:57
ograzul maintains it, he would know04:57
ograboyam, if you have an ultra beefy server machine, you might just want to set up several virtual ltsp servers on it for different departments etc ... but oinly have to care for one machine04:58
ograits really rather for the extra huge setups :)04:59
ograbut we want to serve these too :)04:59
boyamogra...yea..i see your point...they defintely would have to be beefy boxes though...04:59
ograright, thats rather soemthing for big enterprises05:00
boyamsbalneav..grab the live cd for xen...i've tried it pretty easy to setup a vm05:00
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ograsbalneav, i simply dont think that bug is xen related, but its missing info to resally say05:04
shriphaniogra: can you provide me with a link to all screenshots ?05:05
ograshriphani, osdir usually has them somewhere in their screenshot collection of distros05:05
shriphaniand yes can i contribute to any k-12 oriented project (part of edubuntu of course)05:11
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shriphanierr ogra you have any idea ?05:25
ograabout what ?05:26
shriphani[20:41]  <shriphani> and yes can i contribute to any k-12 oriented project (part of edubuntu of course)05:27
shriphanithat ^05:27
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shriphaniogra: ?05:38
sbalneavshriphani: If you want to contribute to something, by all means, start in :)05:40
sbalneavLots of things need work.05:41
sbalneavSqueek needs a new upstream release, docs need to be written, testing needs to be done.05:41
sbalneavetc.05:41
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shriphaniumm I think I should make a edubuntu schools website.05:50
sbalneavRather than make a whole new website, why not help to maintain the edubuntu wiki then?05:53
sbalneavOtherwise, we've jut got info all over the place.05:54
shriphanisure.05:59
shriphanibut i would also like some development work... apps for k-12, like coordinate geo etc. would be nice.05:59
sbalneavSo, start in :)06:01
shriphanihmm.... with the coordinate geo apps ?06:01
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sbalneavSure.06:02
shriphanisbalneav: apart from this I would like to point this out. schools here do not care about what com. knowledge they impart. all they care about is whether or not they get some gain out of these activities. what does switching to edubuntu offer in this case ?06:03
sbalneavAs opposed to what? A Windows solution?06:04
shriphanino.. like monetary gains or fame or something like that06:04
sbalneavNo, but you say "switching to", what are they switching FROM?06:05
sbalneavwindows?06:05
shriphaniyes.06:05
shriphanido we have a bounty like thing for schools only ?06:05
shriphanifirst 3 schools in a region win so and so.06:05
sbalneavNo.06:05
shriphanihmm.06:05
sbalneavOf course not :)06:05
shriphaniexactly that would be bribing.06:05
sbalneavWe're giving it away for free, for heavens sake :)06:05
shriphanihmm and support's free too...06:06
sbalneavAs for incentive, cost savings in time, equipment, and maintenance cost.06:07
shriphaniyeah..06:07
sbalneavNo restrictive software licenses, etc.06:07
shriphanithat would be a nice addition to my pros slide, older hardware can run edubuntu smoothly.06:08
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shriphanisbalneav: where does most k-12 development take place ?06:16
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DigeratiXi installed edubuntu from the live run cd and do not see any *edu* apps06:29
DigeratiXwhat gives06:29
ograDigeratiX, the feisty CD only installs the workstation version and neeeds the addon CD for edu apps ...06:31
ograthat changed in gutsy06:31
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DigeratiXwhere is the addon cd06:31
ograhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/feisty/06:31
ograjust pop it into your running system ... it will offer you an installer06:32
DigeratiXok06:32
ograin gutsy you actually get the desktop you saw in the live session06:32
ograwe switched to the two CD setup for the server in feisty ... that had this bad sideeffect on the liveCD06:33
sbalneavshriphani: Well, we mainly package upstream stuff, so most of the apps are written by others.  We use a lot of kdeedu stuff06:38
shriphanii see.06:38
shriphaniso i have to go look at other places to do dev. work ?06:38
ograno06:39
shriphanino ?06:39
ograyou can also maintain packages and do dev work there :)06:39
shriphanii see...06:39
sbalneavCertainly there's nothing stopping you from writing something from scratch specifically for Edubuntu.06:39
ograindeed thats mostly working with others work but still enough dev work to do06:40
ograright06:40
sbalneavOr, packaging something we don't currently have but could make use of.06:40
shriphanii see.06:40
shriphaniwell this looks like a superb journey wee.06:41
shriphanibtw I am still looking for individuals to assist me in my work. Would you mind putting up a recruit team or something at a place people do bother visiting ?06:46
sbalneavWhy not start a "consulting" or similar page on the wiki?06:47
sbalneavThen you could post a link to it on the -users or -devel mailing list06:48
shriphaniok.06:48
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DaSkreechDo you guys have a release page for the tribe CDs?07:04
shriphanisbalneav: where is the wiki ?07:12
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shriphanisbalneav: ?07:29
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sbalneavshriphani: www.edubuntu.org08:02
sbalneavclick on edubuntu wiki08:02
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shriphani_would it be right if I said edubuntu is ubuntu's sister project and that it is funded by canonical ?08:09
sbalneavIt's supported by canonical.08:28
sbalneavI work on edubuntu, but I'm not paid by canonical, I'm a volunteer.08:28
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IceGuest_5hi all11:12
IceGuest_5I I have a amd64 bit server install11:12
IceGuest_5of edubuntu11:12
IceGuest_5the thin clients are not doenloading the nbi image file11:13
IceGuest_5has anyone installed edubuntu on a 64bit server11:16
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stpaulhi all11:24
stpaulwhere is the image file locations for ltsp11:24
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