[12:45] <Riddell> _StefanS_: groovy, run debuild -S and upload the .orig, .dsc and .diff.gz somewhere I can get it
[12:45] <_StefanS_> will do
[12:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hmm the context menu for empty trash screws up the build. I wonder if it needs an include somewhere
[12:47] <_StefanS_> kdebase-dev it seems ;)
[12:50] <Riddell> _StefanS_: libkonq4-dev
[12:50] <_StefanS_> cool thanks
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://enhance-it.dk/build/
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: everything should be there.
[12:56] <_StefanS_> going to sleep. good night.
[12:57] <Riddell> great, thanks
[12:57] <_StefanS_> np, and thanks for that assistance
[01:43] <erenko> herkese iyi geceler
[03:47] <Jucato> yay!!! dolphin! :)
[03:47] <Jucato> thanks Riddell!! :)
[03:48] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee! just wondering if you're now seeing a home/ folder inside your Home, but no more env/ and share/
[03:50] <nixternal> Jucato: looks good
[03:50] <nixternal> is it safe to rm -rf ~/home ~/env ~/share
[03:50] <nixternal> I have /home/nixternal/home/nixternal
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[03:50] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[03:51] <Hobbsee> i have an env/ and share/, but no /home
[03:51] <nixternal> Jucato: haha, I didn't even read your second line there
[03:51] <nixternal> I have all 3 in there
[03:51] <Jucato> oh
[03:52] <Jucato> moin nixternal :)
[03:52] <nixternal> 2007-09-05 00:50 home/nixternal/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc
[03:52] <nixternal> moin moin, noon noon, night night
[03:52] <Jucato> lol
[03:52] <nixternal> 1 more hour to go!!!
[03:52] <Jucato> before?
[03:53] <nixternal> I get to leave this stinkin' class
[03:53] <Jucato> yay! :)
[03:53] <nixternal> oooh, if he hands out the project right now, I am gone
[03:53] <Jucato> heheh :)
[03:53] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I installed vista today!!!
[03:53] <nixternal> !nixternal
[03:53] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[03:53] <nixternal> booyah!
[03:54] <Jucato> hahah!
[03:54] <nixternal> for real...I got it free through school...Business Edition...so I figured I would see what all of the hooplah was
[03:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hah.  you sad person.
[03:54] <Jucato> if I had the money or had it for free, I would probably install Vista just for the heck of it... :)
[03:54] <nixternal> I have to admit, I do like it better than any previous version of Windows thus far...it is fairly fast, and it installed in less than 30 minutes
[03:54] <Hobbsee> have you cleaned yourself vigourously today?
[03:55] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:55] <nixternal> I feel so dirty
[03:55] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:55] <nixternal> well, I was going to nix windows totally, but I am interested in writing some cross platform code, so I kind of need it in a way
[03:55] <Jucato> using Qt I presume/hope? :)
[03:56] <nixternal> of course
[03:57] <nixternal> OK, I am going to go home
[03:57] <nixternal> he handed out the lab and it is time to roll!
[03:57] <Jucato> hehe take care :)
[03:57] <Jucato> breakfast sounds good just about now... brb :)
[05:27] <coreymon77> well guys, wish me luck for the meeting tomorrow
[05:28] <coreymon77> im going for membership
[08:49] <Jucato> !ppa
[08:49] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[09:07] <Lure> all digital camera lowers can test new libgphoto2 from my ppa
[09:07] <Lure> I hope we can arrange UVF for it
[09:08] <Jucato> now all I need is to think of a reason to buy a digicam :)
[09:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: did you find any problems in the latest dolphin yet?
[09:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: at first I couldn't see your compress servicemenu, but I realized you have to select some files first :)
[09:33] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I think your 0.9.2 version update didn't get uploaded yet
[09:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well, I have it on my systems since an hour ago :)
[09:34] <Jucato> but I did manage to implement Restore Item and Empty trash. yay!
[09:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: maybe you should update ? :)
[09:34] <Jucato> yeah
[09:34] <Jucato> been too busy trying to catch up with my e-mail and C++ hahah
[09:34] <_StefanS_> would be nice to see if something was missing
[09:35] <Jucato> although I'm still quite unsatisfied with how the whole compress thing has been implemented. but I see that even the KDE 4 version uses the same ark_*.desktop servicemenus
[09:35] <_StefanS_> yea.. ark is not very fantastic to start with.
[09:36] <_StefanS_> it always manages to crash, og display an error when you're browsing archives, I think
[09:36] <_StefanS_> (although they can extract fine..)
[09:36] <Jucato> that, and the fact that you can only compress either files only, or the whole/current directory. nothing in between...
[09:37] <Jucato> you can't pick a few files and a few folders to compress...
[09:38] <Jucato> oh well, at least now it's bearable :)
[09:38] <_StefanS_> yes.. guess it will never be that perfect.
[09:38] <_StefanS_> uhm.. I want to buy something..
[09:38] <Jucato> new hardware?
[09:38] <_StefanS_> I've been looking at some Dell Vostro's
[09:38] <_StefanS_> yea, or a Quad something.
[09:38] <_StefanS_> Jucato: what harddisk are you looking for?
[09:39] <_StefanS_> I got a few around
[09:39] <Jucato> haven't really thought about it. heheh
[09:39] <Jucato> It's still 2 months away. the money I saved up is going to my teeth first :)
[09:39] <_StefanS_> is it 3.5" or 2.5" ?
[09:40] <Jucato> 3.5", probably internal IDE. my mobo can't do SATA I think
[09:40] <_StefanS_> ah you're in luck.. I've got a 750gb disk i'm not using
[09:40] <_StefanS_> maybe we can find out something.
[09:41] <Jucato> hehe thanks for the offer. I don't think it will be possible though... shipping conditions are below satisfactory here :(
[09:41] <_StefanS_> no UPS or something?
[09:42] <Jucato> UPS? no I don't think so. oh well. no biggie :)
[09:42] <_StefanS_> ah ok..
[09:42] <Jucato> it will teach me the value of saving and being a thrifty/economic geek, if that were even possible
[09:42] <_StefanS_> hehe yes sure will :)
[09:42] <Jucato> heh looks like dolphin is the only update after all hahah
[09:43] <_StefanS_> wow.. check out the new stuff on the ATI/amd fglrx driver.. seems like they finally have made some improvements (www.phoronix.com)
[09:44] <_StefanS_> wow and AIGLX for next month :D
[09:44] <Jucato> yeah it's all over the IT/FOSS news... I still wish Intel developed AGP's :)
[09:44] <Jucato> you would almost get open everything...
[09:45] <_StefanS_> yea.. I'm using an intel gma 950 for 1920x1200 res, and I cant see why I would need anything more
[09:45] <_StefanS_> IGP's are actually pretty good these days.
[09:46] <_StefanS_> but then again, my firegl in the thinkpad is really needing some speed improvements, so I cant wait to test the new driver
[09:46] <Jucato> :)
[09:46] <Jucato> ok Dolphin works great
[09:47] <Jucato> _StefanS_: thanks a lot :)
[09:47] <_StefanS_> good thing.. I'm off for fixing that kdebluetooth. Still has a segfault in Paired devices :(
[09:48] <Jucato> yeah still getting apport notices
[09:48] <Jucato> even strigidaemon...
[09:48] <_StefanS_> np :D - I stayed up late last night to make it available, but I've had plenty of coffee now to keep me going most of the day
[09:48] <Jucato> I can never get strigi to work properly... even start indexing properly
[09:48] <Jucato> hah the other day I worked from 9pm to 3am on that trash patch :P
[09:49] <Jucato> then when I woke up around 8am that morning, I started working on it again
[09:49] <_StefanS_> I havent paid much attention to strigi, I'm not very fond of the crawling background meta-engine stuff.
[09:49] <Jucato> it's my first intensive hacking session, and my 2nd patch yahoo! (google!)
[09:49] <_StefanS_> hehe, when something interests you, It can keep you going for quite a while
[09:50] <_StefanS_> I even went out and bought a bluetooth dongle for my server just to have a possibility to test without using the laptop
[09:50] <Jucato> hehe :)
[09:50] <_StefanS_> well.. gotta see if it can be fixed
[09:50] <_StefanS_> and buy some new hardware :D
[09:50] <Jucato> one thing that I learned, though, (fortunately or unfortunately) that it's not enough to know how to code here... you absolutely need to know how to package... or at least produce a proper .dsc -> debdiff :(
[09:51] <_StefanS_> well, I hated those debdiffs, but its starting to work for me..
[09:51] <_StefanS_> debuild -S is your friend.
[09:51] <_StefanS_> atleast until it breaks :D
[09:51] <Jucato> it always breaks when you're new :)
[09:51] <_StefanS_> hehe yes, I noticed.
[09:51] <_StefanS_> hmm seems like I got a spare 17" lcd also.
[09:52] <Jucato> hehe
[09:52] <Jucato> lots of spares :)
[09:52] <_StefanS_> hehe yea, I love to tinkle with hardware. I've got a new morex case coming in tomorrow, so I can refit my _slow_ VIA EPIA-EX board
[09:53] <_StefanS_> maybe for some mediacenter stuff
[09:53] <Jucato> hhahah
[09:53] <_StefanS_> but.. it will probably end up as an apt cache for my local lan.
[09:53] <Jucato> hardware is one of my waterloos
[09:53] <_StefanS_> hardware doesn't like you ? :)
[09:54] <Jucato> not much :)
[09:55] <_StefanS_> wow.. I just found a cheap dual quad core Dell PowerEdge..
[09:55] <Jucato> after getting grounded/shocked a few times for different reasons, I got the message :)
[09:55] <_StefanS_> tempting :D
[09:55] <Jucato> hehe :)
[09:56] <_StefanS_> let me know about that harddrive if you find some solid means of transport. I've got a 500gig sata aswell, btw.
[09:56] <Jucato> wow :)
[09:59] <_StefanS_> I found some 200gb notebook harddrives from Hitachi (fastest there is) a while ago, unfortunately I couldn't get them here in denmark, so I ended up ordering them from california. But it was really worth it. These babies are fast.
[10:00] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I havent got any motherboards to spare though :D
[10:01] <Jucato> lol
[10:01] <Jucato> the next time I buy a motherboard, I'll be buying a whole new processor as well, plus RAM
[10:01] <Jucato> so it'd be like a new purchase... but that'd be for 2008 or 2009 hehe
[10:02] <_StefanS_> well thats in the future :)
[10:02] <_StefanS_> hey I got a strigi daemon in the tray now.. kinda nice
[10:02] <Jucato> yeah. now hope you have luck getting it to work properly :P
[10:03] <_StefanS_> already removed it :D
[10:03] <Jucato> lol
[10:03] <_StefanS_> hate cpu-hogging crawlers on my system.
[10:03] <_StefanS_> I can tolerate updatedb.. but nothing more.
[10:04] <Jucato> I think strigi hogs less compared to beagle
[10:05] <_StefanS_> probably. but beagle, google desktop and strigi should basically just vapor from my systems. just my MHO.
[10:05] <Jucato> heheh :)
[10:05] <_StefanS_> gotta get my laptop hooked up this gigantic monitor..
[10:06] <_StefanS_> off to find some adapters :)
[10:06] <Jucato> hm.. dunno if it's a feature or a bug... but if you're in strigi:/ in konqueror, you can't change/type into the location bar at all
[10:06] <Jucato> hahah
[10:06] <HardwareGuy> :D
[10:07] <Jucato> lol
[10:07] <Jucato> I'm off to find someone to eat
[10:07] <Jucato> starving...
[10:07] <_StefanS_> yep see you.
[10:07] <Jucato> er... s/someone/something/
[10:32] <Lure_> _StefanS_: 200GB hitachi - are those 7200 RPM?
[10:36] <Lure_> kwwii: thanks, but I need it in 2.5" / 7200 RPM form factor ;-)
[10:37] <Lure_> kwwii: how are you? is work for general ubuntu family fun?
[10:37] <kwwii> Lure_: oh well, too bad then :-)
[10:37] <kwwii> Lure_: I am doing pretty well, things are hectic; lots to do
[10:38] <Lure_> kwwii: jumping between stuff or you are more mobile focus for this release?
[10:38] <kwwii> Lure_: jumping between several projects
[10:38] <Lure_> kwwii: yeah, that is never too good on longer run
[10:38] <kwwii> kubuntu, ubuntu, a bit of edubuntu and gobuntu, the mobile stuff and a other smaller things
[10:39] <kwwii> I think in the end I get less work done when I have to keep switching back and forth
[10:39] <Lure_> kwwii: do you know if anybody is now pushing update of kubuntu.org?
[10:39] <kwwii> Lure_: nope, nobody is working on it :-(
[10:39] <Lure_> since I know you are very busy
[10:39] <Lure_> :-(
[10:40] <kwwii> the design has been done for months and months but nobody wants to make the actual CMS
[10:40] <Lure_> kwwii: were there any community members that wanted to participate?
[10:40] <kwwii> Lure_: yepp, mhb started but apparently he does not have any more time
[10:40] <kwwii> since then nobody has done anything with it
[10:40] <Lure_> I really think we need to find somebody that can do *something* (even if not that much)
[10:41] <kwwii> yeah, me too
[10:41] <Lure_> kwwii: yep, mhb rocked a lot on other fronts, maybe we can ask him now that GSoC is over
[10:41] <Lure_> kwwii: we should just copy CMS from ubuntu/edubuntu/something - I am sure something like this should be doable
[10:41] <Lure_> kwwii: and not reinvent again
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Lure_: yea they are
[10:42] <Lure_> _StefanS_: do they have them also as PATA? Can you provide th link to store?
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Lure_: got them from excaliberpc
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Lure_: not sure about pata :( chect hitachi-gst.com
[10:43] <_StefanS_> check
[10:44] <kwwii> Lure_: yeah, that would be the best solution with the least amount of work
[10:44] <Lure_> _StefanS_: are they loud (his old 3.5" hitachi was pretty loud)?
[10:45] <Lure_> _StefanS_: it seems PATA ends at 100GB
[10:47] <_StefanS_> yea indeed.
[10:47] <_StefanS_> get a slow seagate then
[10:47] <kwwii> lol, the artwork mailing list has 2,500+ messages in the queue - I knew I shouldn't have taken the administrator job
[10:49] <Riddell> kwwii: mostly spam presumably?
[10:50] <Riddell> I set all my mailing lists to reject anything not from a subscriber, it's the only way to stop the spam they attract
[10:50] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, and every time I try to discard them my browser crashes
[10:50] <kwwii> Riddell: probably the best idea
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Lure_: the acoustics are as the 5400rpm, and heat likewise.
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Lure_: good quality, better than 7k100 which was good to start with.
[10:54] <Lure_> _StefanS_: thanks for good info, really need to do something about this
[10:54] <_StefanS_> Lure_: and its _very_ fast also.
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Lure_: due to the 16mb cache obviously.
[10:58] <Jucato> moin Lure_, Riddell, kwwii
[10:58] <Lure_> Jucato: hi
[11:00] <kwwii> hi Jucato
[11:00] <Jucato> oooh kde4 finally has a semi-working panel :)
[11:00] <Riddell> Jucato: trying out 3.93?
[11:01] <Jucato> from svn
[11:01] <Jucato> do we have packages already? I'd be willing to test them too :)
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you should update your system.
[11:06] <Jucato> hm?
[11:06] <_StefanS_> yea its in the repos
[11:07] <Jucato> ah ok.
[11:07] <Jucato> I thought some special repo or something heheh
[11:13] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[11:13] <Tonio_> hi everyone :)
[11:13] <raphink> yop Tonio_
[11:13] <raphink> :)
[11:14] <Jucato> hi Tonio_! :)
[11:26] <_StefanS_> hi Tonio_
[11:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will look more on that segfault later. There's possibly something wrong with input devices as well. I keep getting asked to Accept my mouse connection.
[11:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah......
[11:28] <Tonio_> that's pretty annoying
[11:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: did that work better before ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lots of fixes on svn so I'll try to upgrade the package tomorrow or toonight
[11:41] <_StefanS_> it worked better before, i think. but update from svn, and lets see if it works.
[11:41] <_StefanS_> I guess the segfault is still present, so ill just go on with that
[01:00] <Riddell> kwwii: ..
[01:07] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks for the phone call :-)
[01:24] <fdoving> wow.. my strigi index is 6.4G and still indexing.
[02:04] <Riddell> fdoving: I'm up to 40GB
[02:05] <Jucato> you guys are lucky. strigidaemon keeps dying on me when I start indexing...
[02:05] <Riddell> tried getting a backtrace?
[02:05] <Riddell> or I guess reporting it with apport and letting someone else do that
[02:06] <Jucato> hm... apport never appears...
[02:07] <Jucato> I just click on Start indexing, then it switches back to Start daemon
[02:07] <Jucato> doing this through konq btw
[02:08] <Riddell> hmm, apport should appear
[02:08] <Riddell> have you tried rm -r ~/.strigi first?
[02:10] <Jucato> ok I'll try that now
[02:11] <Jucato> still died, but did index 650 files
[02:12] <Jucato> I'm guessing I have a file that murders strigi :)
[02:13] <Riddell> rm -r ~/.strigi and run gdb strigidaemon
[02:13] <Jucato> then?
[02:17] <hunger> Riddell: I gave up trying to run gdb on strigi after 3 days:-)
[02:17] <Jucato> what would be the -dbg package for strigi? kdelibs-dbg or kdebase-dbg?
[02:17] <hunger> Riddell: It still had not reached the critical file by then.
[02:17] <Jucato> hi hunger! saw the new Dolphin features? :)
[02:17] <hunger> Jucato: Nope.
[02:18] <Jucato> aw... :P
[02:18] <Jucato> "Empty Deleted Items" implemented for your pleasure :)
[02:19] <hunger> Jucato: Seems it can do way more stuff to the Trash now... emptying it is still not possible though:-|
[02:19] <Jucato> hunger: it is. just right-click in an empty space in the Trash folder
[02:19] <hunger> Jucato: Ah! Found it! Great.
[02:19] <hunger> Jucato: I had expected it in the Information bar though.
[02:20] <Jucato> hm... I don't know how that could be implemented as a command though :(
[02:20] <Jucato> haven't really looked into it...
[02:20] <Jucato> grr... now you got me thinking again ehehe
[02:20] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!
[02:21] <hunger> Jucato: Well, thanks for fixing stuff for me:-)
[02:21] <Jucato> hehe my pleasure. learned a lot from it too :)
[02:21] <Jucato> like how Dolphin, even in KDE 4, still depended on libkonq :)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> yay, i'ts not 1300 UTC yet
[02:22] <Jucato> hehe
[02:22] <Jucato> 28 minutes to go on my kicker
[02:23] <Hobbsee> oh, so london is in summer time.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> i wonder why it doesnt do that automatically...
[02:33] <nixternal> oi oi
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hiya nixternal
[02:35] <nixternal> howdy Hobbsee
[02:35] <nixternal> good, looks like it will be a quick meeting
[02:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:35] <Hobbsee> i havent looked at the agenda yet
[02:35] <Jucato> hiya nixternal! :)
[02:35] <nixternal> 4 items
[02:35] <nixternal> howdy Jucato
[02:36] <_StefanS_> isnt the meeting now?=
[02:36] <nixternal> @now
[02:36] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 06 2007, 12:36:25 - Next meeting: Kubuntu in 23 minutes
[02:36] <Jucato> 24 minutes to go in my kickah
[02:36] <nixternal> Jucato: what are you running that tells you how much time you have left?
[02:37] <Jucato> my brain... :/
[02:37] <nixternal> well, you will never be a developer if your brain is small enough to fit in your kicker :p
[02:37] <Jucato> hahah
[02:37] <Jucato> clock + brain + math = time remaining
[02:53] <Jucato> hm... I think I built dolphin from svn wrong, because the one from kde4base doesn't crash :(
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you around?
[03:02] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: greetings!  i believe it's meeting time
[03:02] <Riddell> isn't it in two hours?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not according to fridge, nor my email
[03:03] <Riddell> nope, it's not :)
[03:03] <Riddell> kwwii: ping
[03:03] <kwwii> Riddell: pong
[03:03] <kwwii> meeting time
[03:04] <Riddell> Lure: ping
[03:04] <Lure> Riddell: pong
[03:05] <Lure> oh, meeting... I will watch but not sure how much I can participate (work, phone calls and stuff inbetween)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Lure: that's fine.
[03:08] <Jucato> good luck Lure :)
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just saw that strigidaemon runs by default now
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: it uses 100% of my cpu since this morning, is that normal ?
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: beagle wasn't that long to scan my profile
[03:29] <ScottK> Tonio_: It's part of the Tracker emulation.
[03:30] <Tonio_> ScottK: oki but 8 hours of cpu overloading seems a bit too much
[03:30] <ScottK> I agree.
[03:30] <Tonio_> ScottK: especially since I don't have that many files on that machine....
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_, there's a meeting on
[03:30] <Jucato> forgot to ask about strigi in the meeting... is it really ready for gutsy considering most seem to have problems with it?
[03:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah but I can't be there this time, I'm at work....
[03:31] <Tonio_> ust connecting to read but I can't really speak
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: how about you ask that in said meeting?
[03:32] <Jucato> ok... after the other agenda :)
[03:35] <sahin_w> Lure and Riddell: I use the new kdepim (Lure special edition ;-)) whole day without any problem. Work like a charm as an imap and dimap client.
[03:35] <Jucato> is pasting in Compose fixed already?
[03:36] <sahin_w> Jucato: Yes
[03:36] <Jucato> yay! :)
[03:36] <sahin_w> Jucato: However I didn't ecounter any kind of crash.
[03:36] <Jucato> how about just a plain freeze when pasting?
[03:37] <fdoving> Tonio_: how big is your index, mine is ~8G and still indexing. seems uselessly huge to me. i will soon need an extra strigi-usbdisk.
[03:37] <Jucato> gonna try it now anyway..
[03:37] <sahin_w> Jucato: I use ctrl+c and ctrl+v. And I also use mouse left click than mouse middel click for testing.
[03:37] <sahin_w> Jucato: For me that's rock solid.
[03:38] <Jucato> sahin_w: yay! works great! thanks :)
[03:39] <sahin_w> Jucato: It's not my merit. I'm just testing it.
[03:40] <Jucato> heh ok :)
[03:40] <Jucato> thanks anyway
[03:41] <Riddell> sahin_w: excellent, which version is that?
[03:41] <sahin_w> Riddell: This is Lure's version.
[03:41] <sahin_w> Riddell: You can reach it on the Lure's ppa
[03:42] <Tonio_> fdoving: lemme check
[03:43] <sahin_w> Riddell: I use this version: kmail_3.5.7enterprise20070904-0ubuntu1~ppa~lure1
[03:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: mine is 2 gigs atm, still indexing
[03:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: my home is only 9 gigs
[03:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: mostly mp3s
[03:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: means that the index is probably bigger than my all text files
[03:44] <Tonio_> fdoving: there's a bug I guess
[03:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm on my contrib day tomorrow, so if you have todos to share, please email me the list :)
[03:46] <sahin_w> Riddell: Sorry for the desinformation I use the following kdepim packages:
[03:46] <sahin_w> Riddell: kdepim-4:3.5.7enterprise20070904-0ubuntu2~ppa~lure1
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: something broke with kdebluetooth, it seems
[03:47] <sahin_w> Riddell: The diferences between the previous and the last one the imap flag handling fix.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> it cant find my phone anymore
[03:47] <Riddell> sahin_w: great, I'll upload that
[03:47] <sahin_w> Riddell: Lure added this IMAP fix to the latest one.
[03:49] <sahin_w> Riddell: Ok, thanks. More test to come... Bye!
[03:51] <manchicken> Riddell: There's supposed to be a /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde, right?
[03:52] <nixternal> alrighty, school time...be back in a few hours
[03:58] <manchicken> It seems like KDE4's startkde is missing.
[04:03] <Jucato> manchicken: yeah seems so...
[04:10] <Lure> Riddell: I wanted to monitor other fixes in enterprise to se if we should include some more before beta
[04:11] <bddebian> Heya
[04:11] <Lure> Riddell: but if you are fine with multiple uploads, you can upload also that single impa fix (it is one liner)
[04:12] <Lure> Tonio_: I suspect strigi has some infinite loop bug in one of it threads (or polling problem)
[04:12] <Lure> Jucato: paste should be rock solid now
[04:13] <Jucato> Lure: yeah. thanks! :)
[04:13] <Jucato> I managed to download all my pop already. but I was scared of trying to compose any mail :)
[04:14] <Jucato> kmail doesn't have a way of giving you your total mail spanning across all folders (except sent/outbox), does it?
[04:17] <Lure> Jucato: I think not
[04:17] <Jucato> aaah. seems like a user ran into another dolphin bug...
[04:18] <Jucato> one that I really wouldn't know how to fix ehehe
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Konqueror started freezing for flash again :(
[04:21] <Riddell> DaSkreech: install new gtk?
[04:21] <Riddell> Jucato: what's that?
[04:21] <DaSkreech> sorry?
[04:21] <DaSkreech> What gtk ?
[04:22] <Jucato> "Does anyone know whats up with the cut-and-paste option in Dolphin. Like i cut a folder on one hard drive and dump it on my desktop and its appears to have been moved fine but the original one is still there but shaded. Am i the only one getting this?"
[04:22] <Riddell> do you have it installed?
[04:22] <DaSkreech> no
[04:22] <Jucato> I can confirm that bug. From USB drive to hard drive
[04:23] <Jucato> hm... actually the bug seems to only happen if you cut from one dolphin window and paste to another window
[04:25] <DaSkreech> I need gtk now for the flash to work>
[04:25] <DaSkreech> Man I hope Adobe follows AMD soon
[04:29] <bddebian> Not likely
[04:32] <hunger> Hi DaSkreech.
[04:32] <hunger> DaSkreech: You pinged me the day before yesterday?
[04:32] <Jucato> that was a long pong heheh :)
[04:33] <hunger> Jucato: I saw the ping while shutting down my box to head home...
[04:33] <Jucato> hehe :)
[04:36] <Jucato> Riddell: startkde seems to be missing in beta 2 (as manchicken discovered)
[04:36] <Riddell> Jucato: tried kdebase-workspace?
[04:36] <Jucato> ok will try
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Hi hunger
[04:37] <DaSkreech> hwo are you?
[04:37] <hunger> DaSkreech: Not that well.
[04:37] <DaSkreech> hunger: Doctor not that well?
[04:38] <hunger> DaSkreech: Nah, one of my close relatives died.
[04:38] <Jucato> Riddell: sorry, tried the beta1 instructions and didn't see the kdebase-workspace package. updating now :/
[04:38] <DaSkreech> hunger: terribly sorry to hear :(
[04:39] <Jucato> my condolences hunger :(
[04:39] <hunger> DaSkreech: Thanks.
[04:41] <DaSkreech> that's not good?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> sorry no ?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Damn my questioning nature
[04:43] <hunger> DaSkreech: Laptop broke and went to repair (for 10days!) and then I discovered my HDD is ruined as well, tax authorities informed me that I owe them lots of money (because my last employer had screwed up), my wife broke her finger and then my mom died all of a sudden. Oh, what fun I had in those 3 weeks.
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Wait afteryour laptop came back the HDD was ruined?
[04:45] <hunger> DaSkreech: I send it in without the HDD... but couldn't check its state without the laptop.
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Right
[04:45] <DaSkreech> USB cases come in useful
[04:46] <hunger> DaSkreech: Not without a computer to connect it to:-( Only have my laptop:-(
[04:46] <DaSkreech> oh
[04:46] <Hobbsee> oh, guess i'd better do the honours
[04:46] <DaSkreech> I guess you were on a holiday around people with no computers
[04:46] <DaSkreech> hooobsee!
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[04:47] <DaSkreech> that came out wrong
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hiya DaSkreech
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you're already a member.
[04:47] <hunger> DaSkreech: My parents/parents in law have my *old* boxes... both date from the pre-USB area (PII).
[04:48] <DaSkreech> hunger: Yeah I had to work on one of those
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Riddell: are you saying I need gtk for flash to work?
[04:49] <Jucato> didn't it always?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> I don't think so
[04:49] <DaSkreech>  I was using it two days ago without
[04:49] <Jucato> Depends: debconf | debconf-2.0, wget, libgtk2.0-0, fontconfig, libxt6, libxext6, libatk1.0-0, libc6, libcairo2, libexpat1, libfontconfig1, libfreetype6, libglib2.0-0, libice6, libpango1.0-0, libpng12-0, libsm6, libx11-6, libxau6, libxcursor1, libxdmcp6, libxfixes3, libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, zlib1g
[04:50] <Jucato> let me see the one for feisty
[04:50] <DaSkreech> this is gutsy
[04:50] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I'm not sure, I'll test
[04:51] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I'm just saying that Flash has always depended on GTK
[04:51] <DaSkreech> I booted up (Live Cd) upgraded konqueror related items and then went to some random site that needs flsh
[04:51] <DaSkreech> it pops up I install
[04:52] <DaSkreech> since nixternal put up the changelog that it was fixed that was sufficent
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: done the meeting honours
[04:52] <Hobbsee> er, membership honours
[04:52] <DaSkreech> this morning it went back to freezing
[04:52] <Hobbsee> that's my contribution to writeups of the meeting :P
[04:53] <Jucato> oh krap!! I knew I forgot to ask Tonio_ something... :/
[04:53] <Riddell> thanks Hobbsee
[04:53] <DaSkreech> hunger: I think my question can wait then
[04:53] <Jucato> s/can/should/ :P
[04:54] <hunger> DaSkreech: Just ask.
[04:55] <DaSkreech> under Decibel/khalki would it be possible to tie a person IM to their IRC name and enable a IM initiate from inside konversation ?
[04:55] <Jucato> wouldn't that be fantastic? heheh
[04:56] <hunger> DaSkreech: Decibel is a "Phonon for IM"... of course you can add such stuff to konversation.
[04:56] <Jucato> right now, though, you can already associate konvi w/ kaddressbook
[04:56] <DaSkreech> So I could for example under the watched nicks see that someone is not on IRC but is on IM?
[04:56] <hunger> DaSkreech: Decibel makes it *very* easy to do something like that, but just having Decibel will not cause all that to suddenly work:-)
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Yes but as I understand it all that stuff doesn't exist in KDE4 anymore
[04:57] <DaSkreech> hunger: I know I was just trying to think of things to do in konvi for KDE4
[04:57] <Jucato> well, Konvi for KDE 4 doesn't even exist yet :)
[04:57] <DaSkreech> I know
[04:57] <DaSkreech> that's why I'm prethinking
[04:57] <hunger> DaSkreech: Port Konversation to decibel:-)
[04:58] <hunger> DaSkreech: Then it can do IM itself in addition to IRC;-)
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Sho_ says that he will probably port Konvi to KDE4/Qt4 then sit out a relelase or so then integrate cool stuff
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :) that's too funky for words hunger
[04:58] <hunger> DaSkreech: And decibel will update the addressbook and stuff with state from IRC;-)
[04:59] <DaSkreech> I don't even know how Ironic it woudl be to make voice calls from Konversation
[04:59] <DaSkreech> it would finally live up to it's name!
[04:59] <hunger> DaSkreech: Actually I think with Decibel stuff like konversation as we know it is dead (or at least I hope so;-)
[05:00] <DaSkreech> I think we all know that KDe4 changes things dramatically
[05:00] <Jucato> now we just have to wait for akonadi for all of this...
[05:00] <Jucato> to add more to this I mean
[05:00] <hunger> DaSkreech: Basically all the core stuff (connect to some service, handle accounts, etc.) is in Decibel. No need to reimplement that.
[05:00] <DaSkreech> It's just a balance act to placate those who have future shock while giving power to those who are still waiting to utter "Make it so"
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Yes I know
[05:01] <DaSkreech> I was just trying to see how konvi kould kapitalize on it
[05:01] <hunger> DaSkreech: UIs are just registered with that core and triggered as needed.
[05:01] <DaSkreech> argh
[05:01] <DaSkreech> I keep lapsing into that
[05:02] <hunger> So the konversation GUI could be some really sophisticated multi-tab chat frontend.
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Hmm someone needs to remind me t mail nixternal
[05:02] <DaSkreech> hunger: not with it's curernt tab hotkey scheme
[05:02] <hunger> DaSkreech: The nick list could be in a different application...
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:05] <DaSkreech> but with the number of chat buddies I have and the number of servers/rooms I join I'd have to get dual monitors and stack them on top of each other
[05:05] <DaSkreech> I can't even imagine people like MEz
[05:11] <DaSkreech> at that point we should rename the app to Kackle
[05:11] <DaSkreech> or Kakaphony
[05:17] <Jucato> Riddell: where would dolphin and konsole be in the beta2 packages?
[05:19] <Riddell> Jucato: kde4base, same as always
[05:20] <Jucato> Riddell: ah so in addition to kdebase-workspace, we also need kde4base?
[05:20] <Riddell> that should be a dependency no?
[05:20] <Jucato> should be...
[05:20] <Jucato> hm...
[05:21] <Jucato> no it doesn't seem so... unless there were changes within the past 45 minutes or so?
[05:22] <Riddell> spooky, it's right there in the source
[05:22] <Jucato> apt-cache says Replaces: kde4base
[05:22] <Riddell> that should be versioned though
[05:26] <Riddell> oh, I see the problem
[05:27] <Riddell> two depends lines is going to confuse everything
[05:27] <Jucato> heh ok. I'll wait for the fix so I can retry and test everything again :)
[05:31] <Riddell> just install kde4base, that'll do exactly the same
[05:32] <Jucato> yeah. just so we could know if there are any hiccups, right? :)
[05:33] <manchicken> Powermanager is working so nicely.
[05:42] <stdin> hmm, should kde4base depend on libxklavier-dev in feisty (instead of libxklavier11-dev, seeing as it doesn't exist)?
[05:44] <Riddell> maybe, maybe
[05:44] <Riddell> stdin: any other build-deps like that?
[05:45] <stdin> I'm having a look now
[05:52] <Riddell> DaSkreech: do you really not have gtk installed?  it's needed by openoffice, amarok, kipi and others
[05:52] <DaSkreech> libgtk?
[05:52] <Riddell> libgtk2.0-0
[05:52] <DaSkreech> actually yeah
[05:52] <Riddell> is it the latest version?
[05:53] <DaSkreech> Blast!
[05:53] <DaSkreech> thanks
[05:54] <Riddell> hmm, if I do remove gtk flash doesn't appear at all
[05:54] <Riddell> which is better than freezing the app
[05:59] <Riddell> I suspect it has always done that however
[06:02] <DaSkreech> ok live and learn
[06:02] <DaSkreech> ATI open source drivers :)
[06:02] <Riddell> that announced somewhere?
[06:02] <DaSkreech>  hopefully Flash will do the same and we can have a QT flash :)
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Riddell: no they are just giving out the specs to futuer cards
[06:02] <Riddell> flash is quite different from a hardware driver
[06:03] <DaSkreech> The official driver is still closed but the spec is there so we can build our own drivers
[06:03] <DaSkreech>  we just need a open flash spec :)
[06:03] <Riddell> flash spec has always been open
[06:03] <Riddell> and gnash is doing a decent job these days, swfdec too
[06:03] <Riddell> (but not decent enough for gutsy I believe)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> I thought they gave out the spec for one version behing
[06:04] <DaSkreech> behind
[06:04] <Riddell> maybe, I've not heard of that
[06:09] <DaSkreech> http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=302
[06:14] <hunger> Does somebody know where I can get one of those open moko phones?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> From openmoko?
[06:24] <hunger> DaSkreech: Wow, that was easy:-)
[06:26] <Riddell> stdin: find anything?
[06:27] <stdin> Riddell: nothing that pops out at me
[06:28] <Riddell> thanks
[06:51] <Riddell> meduxa!
[06:51] <Riddell> meduxa: still able to pick me and K up from the airport on saturday evening?
[06:56] <Riddell> meduxa: look who's famous! http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/BuildingaBetterUbuntu5&6.pdf
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Isn't tribe 6 today?
[06:58] <Riddell> is anyone still suffering from the adept_manager descriptions bug?  it seems to have fixed itself for me
[06:58] <Riddell> DaSkreech: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-September/000337.html
[06:58] <Riddell> also known as "I wanted to get some work done"
[06:58] <meduxa> hi
[06:58] <Tm_T> mooh mooh
[06:59] <meduxa> Rene Martin from the organization of the event is going to pick you up
[06:59] <Tm_T> looks like our media announcements will be sent tomorrow/monday
[06:59] <meduxa> he lives close to your hotel
[06:59] <Riddell> meduxa: ok
[06:59] <Riddell> meduxa: so still wanting to give us a tour round the classy parts of the island sometime next week?
[07:00] <meduxa> yes
[07:00] <Riddell> meduxa: do you have my mobile number?
[07:00] <meduxa> 678472611 is my mobile
[07:00] <Riddell> thanks
[07:00] <Riddell> +44 7941938912 is me
[07:00] <Riddell> meduxa: that's +34 presumably?
[07:01] <meduxa> call me. I was thinking about a tour on tuesday or wednesday and have dinner with some of coleagues
[07:01] <Riddell> great
[07:01] <meduxa> nois cheaper if you call me from the hotel
[07:01] <meduxa> you don't have to press +34
[07:02] <Riddell> ok
[07:05] <meduxa> hey...is Cristo on the paper
[07:05] <meduxa> jajajaja
[07:07] <meduxa> cristo and richard dale will be on your conference if everything goes ok
[07:08] <meduxa> they will come from gran canaria to tenerife those days
[07:09] <Riddell> I'm giving the first tutorial, I've never spoken for 4 hours solid before
[07:09] <meduxa> just prepare 3 and make people ask you questions
[07:10] <meduxa> during the whole tutorial
[07:23] <meduxa> by the way, I published today some crazy ideas about the kmenu I though about in aKademy
[07:23] <meduxa> http://agustin.ejerciciosresueltos.com
[07:27] <Riddell> meduxa: you should get your english language blogs on planet kde
[07:27] <Riddell> trouble with full screen stuff is users will say "where have my apps gone"
[07:28] <Riddell> but it is true there's no paticular reason for kmenu to be so small
[07:28] <Jucato> have you guys heard of Kuartet?
[07:28] <meduxa> with transparency you don't have that feeling
[07:28] <Riddell> although it would need a design that the list of entries weren't too tall for the screen
[07:28] <Riddell> Jucato: nope
[07:28] <Jucato> it doesn't even have to be "full screen"
[07:29] <meduxa> nope
[07:29] <meduxa> it doesn't, it only have to be big
[07:29] <Jucato> I haven't tried it out for a long time. it's basically a clone of Mezzo (Symphony OS) for KDE
[07:29] <Jucato> using superkaramba last time I checked. but I think he's doing it in code now
[07:29] <Jucato> http://kuartetdesktop.sourceforge.net/
[07:30] <Jucato> er.. s/now/before it sort of died
[07:30] <meduxa> riddell, what do I have to do to get into planet?
[07:30] <Jucato> http://kuartetdesktop.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[07:31] <Jucato> meduxa: we almost have the same idea for a main menu. I like kickoff a bit, but I'm not 100% comfortable that it's in the corner of the screen.
[07:31] <meduxa> man, next time I have an idea, instead of thinking about it for some hours and write ir , I'll write it here
[07:31] <Jucato> TastyMenu has a feature that lets you detach the menu from the corner and resize it to whatever size (in %)
[07:31] <meduxa> kuartet is a great approach to what I have in mind
[07:31] <Jucato> hahah
[07:31] <Riddell> meduxa: make sure you have an english language rss feed and e-mail it to clee@kde.org
[07:32] <Riddell> Jucato: interesting
[07:32] <Jucato> meduxa: there are currently 3 (or 4 since you consider katapult) menu alternatives. I think they all have done some bits right
[07:33] <Jucato> I *was* planning on blogging about these K Menu alternatives and ideas... but then I took that vacation :)
[07:33] <Jucato> and also rm'ed my system... so I'll have to redo and re-experience :)
[07:33] <DaSkreech> katapult!! :)
[07:33] <Jucato> technically katapult isn't a menu :P
[07:34] <meduxa> kuartet only misses, in my opinion the idea of organicing the icons of the app directly instead of categoricin g them
[07:34] <Jucato> it's a multi-purpose launcher. and it's great for that purpose
[07:34] <Jucato> meduxa: that's why I was excited about Plasma. I think it offers these possibilities
[07:35] <meduxa> http://www.grupocpd.com/archivos_documentos/info_meduxa/meduxa_project_released/#
[07:36] <meduxa> is something close to this idea we implemented for meduxa, the distro I worked on
[07:36] <meduxa> yes you're right
[07:36] <meduxa> plasma can help to solve the problem
[07:37] <Riddell> hopefully plasma will be something other than just possibilities one day :)
[07:37] <Jucato> lol
[07:37] <Jucato> yeah I hope so too
[07:37] <meduxa> katapult is not a menu, I agree, but it is really useful
[07:37] <meduxa> especially for non english people
[07:37] <Jucato> meduxa: the problem with this is that it has to be sort of scalable. I mean that it can be used/adapted for different types of users. that setup for kids will mostly work for kids (or people who like it) only.
[07:38] <DaSkreech> meduxa: from reports people are using it on a daily basis now
[07:38] <Jucato> yeah katapult is great
[07:38] <meduxa> jucato, yes
[07:38] <meduxa> it has to be scalable
[07:38] <Jucato> heheh UI design.. my area of interest :)
[07:39] <meduxa> the point to forget about multilevel menus
[07:39] <Jucato> yes katapult is great and extremely useful. I'm a huge fan of it. but I would still dare say that it's not a 100% replacement for a well made menu
[07:39] <Jucato> I don't think we can't do away with submenus entirely... though
[07:40] <meduxa> and get into full size or big transparency, scalable wallpapers
[07:40] <meduxa> that works a a menu
[07:40] <DaSkreech> Jucato: You should so UI design a new katapult :)
[07:40] <meduxa> make the whole screen a menu
[07:40] <DaSkreech> I have some thoughts on the wiki
[07:41] <Jucato> DaSkreech: katapult doesn't need much of a new design as it does some new backends :)
[07:41] <DaSkreech> It so does need a new design
[07:41] <Jucato> like I said, for a multi-purpose launcher, it is almost perfect
[07:42] <Jucato> just imho
[07:42] <Riddell> it needs multiple options in my opinion
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Course Mez and I fight about that all the time :) but I still think that a dual UI design is needed to move it forward
[07:42] <Jucato> Riddell: ditto
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Riddell: exactly
[07:42] <Riddell> dual UI?
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:42] <Jucato> er?
[07:42] <DaSkreech> I love it as is
[07:42] <meduxa> for blind people, in  the future connecting katapult with audio will be great
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Quicksilver has a 3 step aproach to launching anything
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Mez (and most people) like the 3 step approach
[07:43] <DaSkreech> I like the simple type and launch approach even if it means losing flexibilty
[07:43] <DaSkreech> So having two UIs for search would be a boon
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Sort like simple and advanced
[07:43] <Riddell> multiple replies would be optional, it would still have one main option to choose
[07:44] <Riddell> however, katapult should go away and become krunner in kde 4 in my opinion
[07:44] <DaSkreech> You have use quicksilver right Riddell?
[07:44] <DaSkreech> I think that katapult can outdo krunner but not as it is now
[07:44] <Riddell> only briefly
[07:44] <Riddell> then fix krunner :)  no point having two such similar projects
[07:44] <DaSkreech> I agree that krunner shoudl take over the functions of katapult as it is now
[07:45] <DaSkreech> No I mean not as katapult is now :)
[07:45] <DaSkreech> I think the roadmap for krunner is laid out pretty well
[07:45] <Jucato> aseigo and Mez talked about it already. they have agreed to disagree on some matters but agreed that they could just leave krunner and katapult as different frontends to the same backends :)
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:46] <Jucato> but seriously... katapult needs a new implementation for the document catalog heheeh
[07:46] <Jucato> and don't look at me yet. last time I looked at the code, it made my headache
[07:48] <DaSkreech> I don't care about code right now I want people to throw ideas on the wiki
[07:48] <meduxa> for users archives are the important stuff, not apps. For many of them, once you have related format (extension) with app, they don't run the app and then open the doc, they do open the archive directly
[07:48] <DaSkreech> many minds make efficient implementation shallow
[07:48] <Jucato> O.o
[07:48] <Jucato> too many cooks spoil the dinner...or something like that :)
[07:49] <meduxa> we need a katapult not for apps but for archives
[07:49] <DaSkreech> yeah but everyone should say what's for dinner :)
[07:49] <Riddell> meduxa: archives meaning files?  or .tar archives?
[07:49] <meduxa> files, yes
[07:49] <DaSkreech> meduxa: you can open docs/archives/files with katapult
[07:49] <Jucato> meduxa: Katapult can launch/open files already
[07:50] <Jucato> but the implementation... is... um...
[07:50] <Jucato> :)
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Just can't specify which app
[07:50] <meduxa> yes
[07:50] <Jucato> unfortunately, right now, you have to be *very* specific where the file is. like in folder1/subfolder2/file1
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Strigi might help that
[07:51] <Jucato> ah strigi :)
[07:51] <meduxa> riddell it would be nice to allow more flexi ...yes, that's what I mean
[07:51] <Jucato> yes hopefully when strigi is fixed we can move the doc catalog to strigi
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah I should try out that systray thing
[07:52] <Jucato> sigh...
[07:52] <Jucato> if only I could get strigi to even finish indexing without dying..
[07:53] <Jucato> is there a CLI command for starting indexing with strigi?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> strigidaemon I would guess
[07:56] <Jucato> that just starts the daemon, not the indexing
[07:56] <Jucato> I think
[07:56] <meduxa> DaSkreech where is the wiki you talked about?
[07:57] <Jucato> or not...
[07:57] <DaSkreech> http://katapult.kde.org/wiki/
[07:59] <meduxa> thanks
[08:04] <meduxa> I get errors in the suggestions forum. Can't get into any entry. Is it something wrong with it or it is something from My system?
[08:04] <DaSkreech> had issues with the server last week
[08:04] <DaSkreech>  still has gremlins
[08:04] <DaSkreech> which start with g
[08:04] <DaSkreech> so they are unwatned :(
[08:04] <meduxa> ok, I'll take a look any other day
[08:06] <meduxa> ok, I have to go, talk to you later
[08:06] <DaSkreech> bye! :)
[08:10] <manchicken> Powermanager seems to be doing much better today than it was yesterday.
[09:04] <nixternal> howdy
[09:05] <fdoving> hi. i'm having yet another disk crash, Wested Digital, in my homeserver. this is the second disk in 2 months.
[09:06] <fdoving> so i guess i'll try to recover from that this evening.
[09:09] <ScottK> fdoving: Every hard drive I've ever had die in less than 6 years (except one that died after a car crash) was a Western Digital.
[09:09] <fdoving> yeah, i have started a convert-to-hitachi process.
[09:15] <ScottK> I see.  I've had good luck with Seagate myself.
[09:40] <fdoving> ScottK: hah, guess how old the disk is. :)
[09:41] <fdoving> produced in 2001, 6 years :)
[09:41] <ScottK> Ah.  That's past design lifetime then.  IIRC it's 5.
[09:41] <ScottK> Hard to blame that one on WD.
[09:42] <fdoving> hey, it feels like i bought it yesterday :)
[09:42] <ScottK> Heh.
[09:43] <ScottK> I've got one PC with a HD that I'm sure is over 10 years old.  Now I'm wondering what brand it is (not enough to go crack the case mind you).
[09:44] <fdoving> new technology is so vulnerable.
[09:44] <stdin> I have a hitachi disk, it's about 6 years old and has seen 3 (yes 3) newer disks fail in it's time
[09:44] <fdoving> those old 300mb disks from whatever make still works in my 80386 machine.. i'm sure. :)
[09:46] <fdoving> i should probably move all stuff over from those WDs to the new hitachis then. since the other WD is probably around the same age.
[10:15] <Lynoure> Hi, I've tried on #ubuntu+1 and #kubuntu and no one seems to know what the recommended method to upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy (developement version) are. Is there a kubuntu page similar to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5 somewhere? I'd love to do my share of testing and reporting bugs, but if I upgrade in some wonky custom way, there might be false bugs reported because of that.
[10:17] <OculusAquilae> Lynoure: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu ?
[10:19] <Lynoure> OculusAquilae: otherwise, but no upgrade instructions there
[10:19] <OculusAquilae> Lynoure: that's right
[10:20] <OculusAquilae> Lynoure: try to look here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe4/Kubuntu
[10:22] <Lynoure> Thanks
[10:38] <sahin_h> Riddell: Did you upload Lure latest and gratest kdepim packages to the Gutsy repo?
[10:39] <Riddell> oh, not yet, thanks for reminding me
[10:39] <sahin_h> Riddell: No problem. ;-)
[10:49] <coreymon77> hi guys
[10:49] <coreymon77> well?
[10:49] <coreymon77> how did i do?
[10:50] <ScottK> !logs
[10:50] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:50] <Riddell> also try http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/
[10:50] <Riddell> or just look at the kubuntu-members launchpad group
[10:52] <milian> how can I setup the strigi kicker applet to search in my kopete logs?
[11:08] <DaSkreech> milian: sounds like a #ubuntu+1 question
[11:08] <Riddell> milian: #strigi for that
[11:08] <DaSkreech> or #strigi :)
[11:08] <milian> thanks
[11:08] <Florian> hi
[11:12] <Florian> Are the kde4-packages already compiled?
[11:12] <stdin> for gutsy, yes
[11:13] <Florian> Oh.. I'm using 7.04. What a pity..
[11:13] <stdin> you'll have to wait a while then
[11:15] <Florian> ok, thanks
[11:17] <Riddell> hopefully they'll all compile tonight
[11:23] <coreymon77> Riddell: i got it?
[11:27] <Riddell> coreymon77: certainly did, congratulations
[11:27] <ScottK> nixternal_ wanted you there in person to torment you some more, but we wouldn't let him have the fun.
[11:27] <ScottK> coreymon77: Congratualtions.
[11:28] <ScottK> Just pretend I spelled that correctly.
[11:28] <coreymon77> wow
[11:28] <coreymon77> thanks
[11:29] <coreymon77> ScottK: i just took a look at the logs, i could see that nixternal didnt like the fact that i wasnt there
[11:30] <ScottK> He also gave you a +1, so don't hold it against him.
[11:30] <sahin_h> I installed KDE4. How can I install more plasma things?
[11:30] <ScottK> I'm mostly giving him grief for when he reads the scrollback.
[11:30] <coreymon77> i know
[11:30] <coreymon77> he just wanted to have some fun
[11:31] <ScottK> K
[11:33] <coreymon77> ScottK: was that the first time you have ever done an email application?
[11:35] <coreymon77> Riddell: was that the first time you have ever done an email application?
[11:39] <Riddell> coreymon77: yes
[11:40] <ryanakca> Who was it that had written a menu for dolphin... within the past few days? Jucato? mhb?
[11:40] <ryanakca> methinks it had to do with compress
[11:42] <Riddell> jucato was doing dolphin bits
[11:46] <Riddell> I've not heard of that
[11:47] <coreymon77> Riddell: so, there was something that you guys wnted me to do right?
[11:48] <Riddell> coreymon77: if you're interested in helping out with the development team, a short monthly team report is needed
[11:49] <ryanakca> !logs
[11:49] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[11:54] <coreymon77> Riddell: whats the report?
[11:56] <coreymon77> Riddell: and who was the CC member who gave me +1?
[11:57] <Riddell> jsgotangco
[11:57] <Riddell> coreymon77: just bullet points of the last month https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports
[11:58] <Riddell> coreymon77: it's due for the 22nd of each month (so I'll be away for this one)
[11:58] <Riddell> coreymon77: many of the points can be taken from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe6/Kubuntu
[12:10] <Florian> bye
[12:11] <coreymon77> Riddell: so, what kind of points should i put in the report? just summarize each of the headings under whats new?
[12:11] <Riddell> coreymon77: I guess so, and ask here what people have done, also look at gutsy-changes
[12:12] <Riddell> this is the first time this has been done so I'm not entirely sure what's expected
[12:12] <coreymon77> wasnt nixternal supposed to talk to me about it?
[12:16] <Riddell> yes