[12:40] <_2> Nahi qtparted
[12:40] <Nahi> _2 so i'll be able to split the hdd while the computer is on ?
[12:40] <[GuS] > mm split the drive works better with Gparted indeed.
[12:41] <[GuS] > Nahi: but no with HDD mounted.
[12:41] <hydrogen> well Nahi
[12:41] <ch40s> u cant split the drive unless its on
[12:41] <hydrogen> that depends on what you mean by split the hd
[12:41] <ch40s> lol
[12:41] <hydrogen> if you mean with a sawzall, I'd suggest turning it off first
[12:41] <[GuS] > lol
[12:42] <Nahi> hydrogen i just need to get 3 gb out of the hdd to install windows on it
[12:42] <ch40s> i prefer sawing powered HDD
[12:42] <hydrogen> I will say
[12:42] <[GuS] > damn.. Dolphin really su***.. does not use tabs :S
[12:42] <hydrogen> that harddrives are surprisingly durable
[12:42] <hydrogen> I had to destroy a number of old ones over the summer
[12:42] <hydrogen> and it took me a good bit of time with a small sledge
[12:42] <hydrogen> to break them down
[12:43] <ch40s> theyre easier to split if u heat them to 1200 degrees first
[12:43] <ch40s> silly
[12:43] <hydrogen> well, yea
[12:43] <hydrogen> but torching it seemed a bit excessive
[12:43] <ch40s> lol
[12:44] <ch40s> ok so im running a kubuntu live CD
[12:44] <ch40s> and my wireless card doesnt get recognized
[12:44] <ch40s> or at least, get power
[12:44] <ch40s> didnt check lspci
[12:45] <hydrogen> what wireless card
[12:45] <ch40s> its a d-link air DWL-650
[12:45] <ch40s> laptop
[12:45] <hydrogen> !wireless
[12:45] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:45] <hydrogen> may have info
[12:45] <ch40s>  ty
[12:45] <hydrogen> I need to go!
[12:46] <level1> does kubuntu use a different LD_LIBRARY_PATH than the rest of the world?  I run echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH and it comes up blank... am I mispelling something?
[12:46] <[GuS] > There, more easy.. i just removed dolphin...Konqueror is back as default :P
[12:46] <stdin> level1: it normally doesn't need to be set
[12:47] <[GuS] > and damn.. devs enabled xgl as default session :S
[12:47] <level1> stdin: well, I'm trying to get java to find a native library so it can use openGL, and its not finding the file
[12:47] <[GuS] > who takes those decisions? :Pp
[12:48] <radioaktivstorm> ok, why does this image map from kimagemapeditor not work with javscript  or links?
[12:48] <hydrogen> java uses JAVAC_CLASS_PATH or something... right?
[12:48] <level1> [GuS] : no way they would do that... what are you runing?
[12:48] <level1> hydrogen: well, the tuts say to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH... this is for native code, not java code
[12:48] <hydrogen> ah
[12:48] <pochoclo> hola
[12:49] <hydrogen> try export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="location:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"
[12:49] <hydrogen> and see if it works
[12:49] <[GuS] > level1: gutsy latest tribe 5
[12:49] <pochoclo> Mmm . . .   ehh ?
[12:49] <[GuS] > indeed there is allready a bug with this-..
[12:49] <pochoclo> como es eso ? ? ?
[12:49] <[GuS] > level1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xgl/+bug/136598
[12:50] <NickPresta> !es | pochoclo
[12:50] <ubotu> pochoclo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:50] <hydrogen> !ubuntu+1
[12:50] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[12:51] <radioaktivstorm> it seems quite obvious that kimagemapeditor does not work properly... or i dont know how to use it
[12:51] <level1> hydrogen: I already did something similar to that, now I did it your way, and its still not working
[12:51] <Nahi> guys is there anything i can use to partition my hdd while booting ?
[12:51] <hydrogen> not sure then level1
[12:51] <level1> hydrogen: I have /home/level1/Org/Programming/Independent/Industria:.:/home/level1/Org/Programming/Independent/Industria: as my library path
[12:58] <rdvon> do I need to install the restricted drivers manager?
[12:58] <xp_killer> rdvon: why?
[12:58] <rdvon> I need it. for my radeon D:
[12:59] <rdvon> no radeon. no blender >:O
[12:59] <rdvon> *the 3d modeling program :)
[01:00] <stdin> follow the edgy instructions
[01:00] <level1> rdvon: what card is it?
[01:01] <rdvon> it's an x1300 >:O
[01:02] <level1> rdvon: yeah, it sucks.  I got a X1400 mobility on my laptop
[01:02] <rdvon> It doesnt suck. radeons linux support does.
[01:02] <rdvon> :\
[01:03] <level1> rdvon: the feisty live cd actually WILL NOT boot, even in safe graphics mode, on my laptop.  I have to use the command line to install fglrx just to get it started
[01:03] <rdvon> I've used the restricted drivers manager... It works fine.
[01:03] <level1> rdvon: you can't use restricted drivers manager if you can't get X to start
[01:04] <rdvon> it tells me to restart my pc so i can use the card, but doesnt ctrl alt backspace work?
[01:04] <level1> yeah, it will
[01:04] <rdvon> *I need restricted drivers manaager.
[01:04] <rdvon> :\
[01:04] <rdvon> It works fine in ubuntu..
[01:04] <_2> rdvon  ctrlt tells me to restart my pc so i can use the card, but doesnt ctrl
[01:04] <rdvon> I just need the manager for kubuntu :P
[01:05] <_2> rdvon ooops  ctrl alt bs  does not restart the pc
[01:05] <rdvon> ...
[01:05] <_2> and the reason it asks you to restart is to insert the kernel module
[01:05] <rdvon> It restarts x.
[01:05] <rdvon> ok.
[01:05] <rdvon> :\
[01:05] <level1> rdvon: you can install it... actually, you can probably just use "apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx" I think
[01:06] <Arwen> Question: If kwin dies, is there a way to restart it without killing my session? On GNOME, even if metacity died, I could still open a terminal and restart it, but that doesn't seem to work on KDE?
[01:06] <_2> it can be done manually if you don't want to loose uptime
[01:06] <level1> rdvon: in theory you can do "sudo modprobe fglrx"
[01:06] <level1> Arwen: yeah, alt-f2 and type kwin
[01:06] <Arwen> level1, doesn't respond to alt+f2
[01:06] <rdvon> Im installing the restricted drivers manager. much easier in my opinon.
[01:06] <level1> Arwen: can you start a konsole or terminal?
[01:06] <rdvon> *opinion
[01:07] <Arwen> rdvon, you need to remove the "radeon", "dri", and "drm" modules before loading fglrx.
[01:07] <Arwen> level1, no, mouse clicks don't do anything. Neither do keybinds.
[01:07] <_2> rdvon note also that the NON-free kernel module "might" conflict with some other module already inserted  and thus error out.
[01:07] <level1> Arwen: sounds like you computer is frozen... are you trying to use compiz?
[01:07] <Arwen> level1, eh? This is a whatif scenario.
[01:08] <rdvon> _2: er... ?:
[01:08] <Arwen> I did this yesterday with "killall kwin"
[01:08] <rdvon> :?
[01:08] <Arwen> everything still runs, it just doesn't focus or anything
[01:08] <_2> still on the reboot -vs- manual load thought    rdvon
[01:08] <garfield> stdin: if i do ctrl+alt+F1 how do i get back to the desktop?
[01:08] <level1> Arwen: mouse clicks should work without kwin.  Even the keyboard kinda sorta works.  I don't know what your problem is
[01:08] <Arwen> well, I'll go try again for the heck of it
[01:09] <Arwen> ah, mouse clicks work. The windows just don't appear on top of each other
[01:09] <level1> Arwen: if you can find out which component got keyboard focus, you can type kwin into that component and use copy paste with the mouse to get it into the alt-f2 window
[01:09] <level1> or konsole, or whatever
[01:10] <level1> man, the #java people are just determined to ignore me
[01:10] <stdin> xp_killer: ctrl-alr-f7
[01:10] <_2> i hate it when you open a window off screen.    is there a way to move them without resizing/maxamizing them ?
[01:10] <Arwen> hmm, I restarted kwin from a terminal after I did that, but now I have a ghosted alt+f2 dialog
[01:10] <stdin> *alt
[01:10] <Arwen> any thoughts on how to get rid of it?
[01:11] <Arwen> way to move them without resizing/maxamizing them ?
[01:11] <Arwen> [19:10]  <Arwen> hmm, I restarted kwin from a terminal after I did that, but now I have a ghosted alt+f2 dialog
[01:11] <Arwen> oops
[01:11] <_2> you too eeh
[01:11] <level1> _2: not sure what you mean, but if you press alt and click in the body of a window, it'll move
[01:11] <level1> click and drag
[01:12] <_2> level1 you can't click on something that is off the screen
[01:12] <level1> _2: how is it possible for a window to be off screen
[01:12] <_2> i know about alt+left-click
[01:12] <level1> _2: you would have to move the mouse outside the border of the screen, which is illegal in kde
[01:13] <_2> level1 ummm hmmm i see,     well it is.   and i would show you but then you would have the same problme.
[01:13] <xp_killer> stdin: its possible for me to install sims on linux?if yes is it with wine?
[01:13] <_2> i didn't say move it off screen i said it opens off screen
[01:14] <stdin> dunnow, ask the channel, not just me
[01:14] <rdvon> _2: stop mocking me >:O
[01:14] <level1> _2: lol, you can use window rules whatnot to force it
[01:14] <xp_killer>  its possible for me to install sims on linux?if yes is it with wine?
[01:14] <^^Varitech-VFX^^> auxilio
[01:14] <_2> rdvon ?
[01:14] <^^Varitech-VFX^^> no puedo instalar pc-bsd
[01:15] <xp_killer> stdin: does it have a room to know how to install games?
[01:15] <level1> _2: maximize it, then right click on the titlebar, and select advanced>Special Window Settings
[01:15] <xp_killer> st last question^^
[01:15] <rdvon> _2: [16:08]  <_2> still on the reboot -vs- manual load thought    rdvon
[01:15] <level1> _2: and just play around until you fix it
[01:15] <stdin> !games | xp_killer
[01:15] <ubotu> xp_killer: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[01:15] <_2> level1 that's outside the scopt of my Q    here i'll repost
[01:15] <level1> xp_killer: a good reasource for wine is the wine appdb
[01:15] <_2> i hate it when you open a window off screen.    is there a way to move them without resizing/maxamizing them ?
[01:16] <rdvon> http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/b/bc/RedDawnOfUbuntu.jpg/600px-RedDawnOfUbuntu.jpg xD
[01:16] <stdin> !ot | rdvon
[01:16] <ubotu> rdvon: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:16] <_2> any hotkey for moving   or something like that ?
[01:16] <level1> _2: how is it possible for a window to open offscreen?  at some point it would have to have been moved offscreen, and that would require the mouse to move offscreen
[01:17] <_2> not so
[01:17] <tsb> Sometimes skype works, sometimes it doesn't, it is driving me crazy. I've compared alsamixer to when it works and it doesn't, and they are 100% identical. I've turned off skype dynamic mic volume. Any idea wtf is going on here?
[01:17] <BluesKaj> i installed gnormalizer...it wouldn't take care of ape file conversion to wav like advertized , however, uninstalling it seems to be beyond my scope ..compiled it from a tar.gz file
[01:18] <_2> the windows paramaters that the launcher has set can (even by default) open a window outside the actual window area
[01:18] <xp_killer> eli
[01:19] <Arwen> BluesKaj, does "make uninstall" in the source directory work?
[01:19] <Arwen> if not, you just have to track down the files and delete em yourself
[01:19] <_2> i just thought someone might know of a easy xorg hot key for moving windows around.     i'll move on.
[01:19] <Arwen> hopefully they'll be in /usr/local instead of /usr :-P
[01:19] <xp_killer> level1: for pc games only sims i does play or puzzul games.im not interest in wow maybe conter strick
[01:20] <level1> xp_killer: yeah, but it should have a page on the sims.  type sims into that search bar on the left
[01:20] <ce> in what package can i find the library libGL.so.1 ?
[01:20] <Arwen> !find libGL.so.1 ?
[01:21] <ubotu> Package/file libgl.so.1 does not exist in feisty
[01:21] <Arwen> ...incompetent bot
[01:21] <_2> libgl1 maybe  but i dont think that's abalable
[01:21] <level1> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1942  <- xp_killer, sims 1 or 2?
[01:21] <rixxon> didn't there use to be a #ubuntu-graphics or something?
[01:22] <xp_killer> level1: 2
[01:22] <_2> libgl1-mesa-glide3 ?
[01:22] <Arwen> libgl1-mesa-glx
[01:22] <BluesKaj> Arwen, i should have known ,... I  trashed the folder & files after realizing the app wouldn't work :(
[01:22] <_2> if it's not in any of those    idk
[01:22] <Arwen> some proprietary drivers ship their own libgl though
[01:22] <_2> out for a few.  peace !
[01:22] <ce> found it
[01:23] <ce> xorg-server-fglrx or something
[01:23] <ce> thanks
[01:23] <Arwen> *shrug*, see?
[01:23] <BluesKaj> Arwen, the odd thing is , it opens from the konsole
[01:24] <Arwen> *shrug*
[01:24] <BluesKaj> oh well, stuck with it i guess
[01:25] <Arwen> slocate + rm :-P
[01:37] <xevil> I have a permissions problem with konqueror... I can only get it to browse the internet as the superuser.  Any Suggestions?
[01:41] <ch40s> how do i add a script for konversation?
[01:43] <thill2708> argh, I still can't get gmail's smtp to work with kmail. I either get no action from sending the button (like I never even pressed it) or a timeout. Wtf?
[01:48] <bomber> hmm
[01:49] <ScorpKing> i have the same problem with my own mail :(
[01:52] <thill2708> ScorpKing: are you serious :(
[01:52] <ScorpKing> yes
[01:52] <thill2708> ScorpKing: have you tried thunderbird? same issues?
[01:52] <NickPresta> KMail works with Gmail for me
[01:52] <NickPresta> strange
[01:52] <ScorpKing> nope. i haven't
[01:52] <thill2708> NickPresta: would you mind going over your smtp settings with me? I can access the pop just find
[01:52] <thill2708> fine*
[01:52] <thill2708> it's the smtp that's the issue
[01:53] <NickPresta> thill2708, let me fire up Kmail
[01:53] <thill2708> Here are mine:
[01:54] <ScorpKing> thill2708: with gmail it sais " Connection closed immediately by server'
[01:54] <thill2708> server: smtp.gmail.com; port: 465; server requires auth: (my user and pass); encryption: ssl; auth method: PLAIN
[01:54] <NickPresta> Host: smtp.gmail.com, Port: 465. Server Requires Authentication (Checked). SSL and Plain
[01:54] <thill2708> ScorpKing: Yeah, I've gotten that, but most of the time it's absolutely nothing. Like I didn't even press the button.
[01:55] <ScorpKing> thill2708: some of the servers work and some don't. then sometimes they all work.
[01:55] <thill2708> wtf
[01:55] <ScorpKing> yeah
[01:55] <thill2708> ScorpKing: how often does it not work for you, then? all the time?
[01:55] <thill2708> I can telnet to it just fine :(
[01:55] <ScorpKing> thill2708: doesn't work most of the time.
[01:55] <NickPresta> perhaps you have outbound on port 465 blocked?
[01:56] <xevil> I have a permissions problem with konqueror... I can only get it to browse the internet as the superuser.  Any Suggestions?
[01:56] <thill2708> hm. how would I check that?
[01:57] <ScorpKing> NickPresta:  don't think so. i have two accounts each on three servers and sometimes only one of them will work.
[01:57] <NickPresta> ScorpKing, oh. No idea then =(
[01:57] <ScorpKing> :(
[01:59] <thill2708> do you think it's because kmail doesn't use STARTTLS?
[02:00] <ScorpKing> what's that? lol
[02:00] <OhMyAudi> Hi all.  Can anyone help me to change the banshee splash screen please!?!?
[02:00] <thill2708> ScorpKing: no idea, but that's what google says gmail uses, and I don't see it anywhere in kmail :(
[02:01] <ScorpKing> o ok. i think i must google myself sometime. :)
[02:03] <OhMyAudi> Anyone?
[02:03] <kkathman> banshee?
[02:03] <kkathman> hmm
[02:03] <OhMyAudi> Yes
[02:03] <NickPresta> OhMyAudi, have you tried looking in the docs? A google search? Asked in #banshee?
[02:04] <OhMyAudi> #banshee is empty
[02:04] <OhMyAudi> google gets me close
[02:04] <OhMyAudi> I get a link to a post in ubuntu forums
[02:04] <ScorpKing> OhMyAudi: try to google for that or run locate banshee to find out where the splash image is.
[02:04] <OhMyAudi> No one has responded to the poor guy since '06
[02:04] <OhMyAudi> locate huh?
[02:04] <NickPresta> OhMyAudi, #banshee is not empty. You didn't read the docs, did you?
[02:04] <OhMyAudi> interesting
[02:04] <OhMyAudi> diff server?  No I didnt
[02:05] <NickPresta> OhMyAudi, http://banshee-project.org/Support
[02:05] <OhMyAudi> ty
[02:05] <OhMyAudi> the locate command only found the icon and desktop link
[02:05] <OhMyAudi> but I'll read on
[02:06] <thill2708> argh, guess I'll try thunderbird. I'd really like to keep it in the kfamily, though :(
[02:06] <ScorpKing> that might just work. will try it myself.
[02:07] <thill2708> :( kmail has so many great features
[02:07] <thill2708> s
[02:07] <Taladan> what's the problem?
[02:08] <thill2708> Taladan: I can't get kmail and gmail's smtp to function together
[02:08] <thill2708> It's as if I don't even press hte button to send the emails at all, or I get a timeout error
[02:09] <Taladan> what have you tried
[02:09] <ScorpKing> me too but not only gmail :(
[02:09] <thill2708> Googling, gmail help, kmail help, ubuntu forums, this channel, and fiddling myslef
[02:09] <Taladan> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/41552-complete-guide-using-gmail-thunderbird-mozilla-mail-evolution-kmai.html
[02:09] <Taladan> There
[02:09] <Taladan> that should fix it.
[02:09] <Taladan> Gmail uses pop3.
[02:09] <thill2708> it's not the pop that's the problem. it's th smtp
[02:10] <Taladan> I don't know that gmail will let you use them to smtp out
[02:10] <Taladan> though, maybe they will...
[02:10] <Taladan> smtp.gmail.com port 465
[02:11] <ScorpKing> smtp works with gmail.
[02:11] <Taladan> And it requires authentication apparently.
[02:11] <ScorpKing> yes
[02:11] <ScorpKing> it's the same as pop
[02:12] <Taladan> I've been thinking about switching to kmail from evolution
[02:12] <Taladan> but my current iteration of kmail doesn't have the blogging function built into it that I'd like to have...meh.  Then again, neither does evolution.
[02:13] <BluesKaj> kmail is very effective , fast and ir works well , I actually switched from thunderbird
[02:13] <hcbox> is it possible to copy whole system to another hard disk ?
[02:13] <ScorpKing> hcbox: yes
[02:14] <hcbox> ScorpKing: new hdd coming soon and i want to move my dist to more space disk (only 10gb here)
[02:15] <ScorpKing> hcbox: dd if=/dev/hda (first disk) of=/dev/hdb (new disk) . boot from a cd when u do it.
[02:16] <ScorpKing> hcbox: after that you'll have to make the partitions bigger on the new disk.
[02:16] <hcbox> ok :D
[02:16] <thill2708> BluesKaj: yes, but can you get it to send mail from your gmail account via gmail's smtp?
[02:16] <hcbox> keep that in mind, thx ScorpKing
[02:16] <ScorpKing> hcbox: what is ur partition setup?
[02:17] <hcbox> ext3
[02:17] <thill2708> nice. now this "Cannot open pop.gmail.com"
[02:17] <thill2708> wtf!
[02:17] <BluesKaj> thill2708, yes , do the set up in gmail , no settings in kamil are required
[02:17] <thill2708> BluesKaj: eh? What do you mean?
[02:17] <ScorpKing> hcbox: only one partition and swap?
[02:17] <BluesKaj> err kmail
[02:18] <hcbox> ScorpKing: exactly!
[02:18] <thill2708> BluesKaj: yeah, but that's the thing. It's just not connecting :C
[02:18] <ScorpKing> hcbox: once you copied the disks use cfdisk and delete the swap partition before you extend the main one.
[02:18] <BluesKaj> gmail is very slow ATM , dunno why
[02:19] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, I just downloaded 210 messages via KMail. It's speedy for me.
[02:19] <thill2708> when I initially downloaded all my email (~2k emails) it was fine. It's the sending of them that's the problem
[02:20] <ScorpKing> hcbox: extend itbig enough so you have space left for a swap partition and then just create it again once the main partition is extended.
[02:20] <hcbox> hcbox: some of my disk are ntfs again, i want to go ext3 on every HDD. Just want to move system and data before formating the first disk
[02:20] <ScorpKing> hcbox: you might have to edit /etc/fstab because the UUID of the disks will change.
[02:21] <purpleposeidon> free mono, get your free mono....
[02:21] <hcbox> 300gb rip, and have to go to customer service. have 200gb with 10gb ext3 & 190gb data. 200gb ntfs usb. 320gb ntfs usb.
[02:22] <hcbox> 190gb ntfs data.
[02:22] <ScorpKing> hcbox: the safest way for all this is to use a life cd and click on install. go to manual disk setup and just cancel the installation when all the partitions is setup.
[02:22] <BluesKaj> thill2708, you have setup gmail in "forwarding and pop" to send to your kmail ?
[02:22] <hcbox> just want to keep my package and configuration of them.
[02:23] <dwidmann_> Hmm, I wonder what the latest round of gutsy updates addresses
[02:23] <wt8008> anyone know anything about cutting and pasting not working properly?
[02:23] <hcbox> ScorpKing: ok i will keepp that in mind.
[02:23] <hcbox> so, time to sleep, n8 all :)
[02:23] <ScorpKing> hcbox: np. nite
[02:23] <Taladan> it's not pop.gmail.com
[02:24] <hcbox> ScorpKing: ty
[02:24] <Taladan> it's smtp.gmail.com
[02:24] <ScorpKing> thill2708: good luck. i'm off to bed. :)
[02:25] <ScorpKing> cheers everyone!
[02:25] <BluesKaj> konq seems slow as a web browser the last 2 days or so , I did some IPv6 disabling in the  /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist files, but it really doesn't seem to have speeded things up
[02:26] <dwidmann_> BluesKaj: allow me to point you towards www.opera.com :P
[02:26] <BluesKaj> hehe  dwidmann_ :)
[02:27] <purpleposeidon> dwidmann_: allow me to point you to fish://localhost/; ftp://localhost; help:/ .....
[02:27] <BluesKaj> everyone has their favs , but konq was so quick before this
[02:27] <Taladan> lynx
[02:28] <Taladan> go forth and surf in speed
[02:28] <dwidmann_> purpleposeidon: why would I wanat to ssh into the same computer, sounds less than sane
[02:28] <BluesKaj> hehe
[02:29] <dwidmann_> brb
[02:29] <purpleposeidon> dwidmann_: I'm sure you could think of some good reasons.
[02:29] <purpleposeidon> you're just not trying hard enough
[02:30] <Taladan> that would be a good way to safely browse...
[02:32] <kat> I know I'm going to go to hell for asking this in here... but if I have a legit cd key for Windows XP Home but the original disc is OEM recovery disc... can I use that same key to with a Windows XP Home cd (non-recovery, full version)???
[02:32] <kat> i've been helping a friend, but it's been sooooo long since Windows...
[02:33] <purpleposeidon> kat: ##windows
[02:33] <BluesKaj> dwidmann , is opera safer than FF ?
[02:34] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, safer, how?
[02:34] <kat> ah, so there is a windows channel...
[02:34] <NickPresta> !windows | kat
[02:34] <ubotu> kat: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:34] <NickPresta> point your friend to that.
[02:34] <purpleposeidon> kat: if it has two ##, it means it's not "official"
[02:36] <dwidmann_> BluesKaj: they say it's nice and secure, and if nothing else, security thru obscurity :P
[02:36] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, I've read that FF is vulnerable , and since I'm dual booting with ntfs-3g and config RW and accessing window s files and wife's windows pc is in the chain
[02:38] <BluesKaj> there's no need to finish the sentence :)
[02:39] <feimao> !rules
[02:39] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:41] <duddie> hi all, I have a technical question, regarding Wireless card for my linux.
[02:42] <NickPresta> !wifi | duddie
[02:42] <ubotu> duddie: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:42] <scienceboy> how can i get wine to run so that i can launch files in an emulated desktop?
[02:42] <NickPresta> !wine | scienceboy
[02:42] <ubotu> scienceboy: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[02:43] <scienceboy> i already installed it. does it work autimatically?
[02:43] <duddie> going there now.. my kubuntu found my wireless chip as Realtek RTL8201
[02:43] <NickPresta> hey flaccid
[02:43] <NickPresta> scienceboy, in a console, `wine FILE.exe`
[02:43] <NickPresta> should work fine
[02:43] <dwidmann_> scienceboy: if nothing else, you can run a script like sidenet to set up a submenu for it in your kmenu (and maybe desktop icons for the programs too, I forget if it does that though)
[02:43] <scienceboy> ok, thanks!
[02:44] <scienceboy> should i first navigate to where the file is located?
[02:44] <flaccid> geta
[02:44] <flaccid> heya even
[02:45] <dwidmann_> scienceboy: unless you want to type wine /the/whole/path/to/exe/file.exe
[02:45] <gib> How do I change my default mail client to Thunderbird in Gutsy so that it will fill in the subject and to fields automatically?  In Feisty all I need to to is change my default mail to "use different email client" and type in thunderbird.  When I do that with Gutsy, it opens the main mail program instead of opening a new email.
[02:45] <scienceboy> err:module:import_dll Library MFC42.DLL (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\joshua\\Desktop\\visualboyadvance.exe") not found
[02:45] <scienceboy> err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\home\\joshua\\Desktop\\visualboyadvance.exe" failed, status c0000135
[02:46] <gib> When I client on a mailto link.
[02:46] <gib> click
[02:46] <dwidmann_> scienceboy: look up the specific app at http://appdb.winehq.org
[02:46] <scienceboy> k
[02:46] <NickPresta> scienceboy, why are you trying to Wine VBA?
[02:47] <scienceboy> because its a test to see if i can install other games like warcraft 3 on kubuntu
[02:47] <scienceboy> btw, 2 things. 1. what is winefile? and 2. what is the 'emulate a virutal desktop' thing in the wine configuration?
[02:47] <scienceboy> thank you both!
[02:47] <NickPresta> scienceboy, okay. There is a VBA binary from the repos, just so you know. WC3 should work fine. You might have to manually add some DLL files to the windows folder though. Check out the specific page on the AppDB.
[02:48] <gib> If I type "thunderbird -compose" int the other field it will open up both the main program and a compose window with nothing filled in, and even adding a "%s" doesn't work.
[02:48] <scienceboy> what is WC3?
[02:48] <scienceboy> and what windows folder?
[02:49] <scienceboy> nickpresta? what is CW3 and what windows folder/
[02:49] <NickPresta> scienceboy, WC3 = warcraft 3. the windows folder, ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/
[02:49] <scienceboy> nickpresta: oh ... allright, thanks!
[02:49] <scienceboy> nickpresta: so what is winefile?
[02:50] <scienceboy> !winefile
[02:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winefile - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:51] <gib> Is there another forum for for Gutsy Kubuntu like there is for Ubuntu (ie ubuntu+1)?
[02:51] <gib> I mean channel
[02:51] <scienceboy> how do i create a drive letter?
[02:51] <dwidmann_> gib: another forum? No, though there's a subforum on ubuntuforums
[02:52] <dwidmann_> gib: oh, and for channel, #ubuntu+1
[02:52] <scienceboy> joh wait
[02:52] <scienceboy> oh wait
[02:52] <scienceboy> nvrm
[02:52] <gib> But that won't help because this is a KDE issue in Gutsy, and they'll be all gnomeheads over there.
[02:53] <dwidmann_> gib: probably, but try before you dismiss, you might get lucky, apart from that, ask in here. again?
[02:53] <BluesKaj> strange i DL'd opera and it disappeared ... all files normally DL to /home/usr but it just opens kate and tells me if i save the binary it willl be corrupt
[02:54] <kat> ty folks
[02:54] <gib> You'd think there'd be a lot of people in here using gutsy+thunderbird, since Kmail has had so many reliability problems in the past--I think most people change to Thunderbird.
[02:56] <gib> Other than this little problem, and the kbluetooth module constantly crashing, Gutsy Kubuntu is working very nicely for me.
[02:57] <fixit> Hi all, i am using ntfs-3g to mount a ntfs drive on my computer but it keep giving me errors
[02:58] <fixit> [ 1336.020000]  NTFS driver 2.1.28 [Flags: R/O MODULE] .
[02:58] <fixit> [ 1341.588000]  NTFS-fs warning (device ndas-00526367-0): is_boot_sector_ntfs(): Invalid boot sector checksum.
[02:58] <scienceboy> another question:
[02:58] <scienceboy> $ ln -s /dev/hdc ~/.wine/dosdevices/d\:\:
[02:59] <scienceboy> the dosdevices, do i have to replace that with anything?
[02:59] <fixit> any idea
[02:59] <fixit> ?
[02:59] <gib> It's pretty slick how you can install all the most common restricted modules by just installing a single metapackage, and have it ask you about installing NVidia/ATI drivers too :)
[03:00] <gib> All the things people used to use automatix for.
[03:00] <tzanger> good evening
[03:01] <gib> Hi
[03:01] <tzanger> I installed the kbeagle package but I see it's using a lot of CPU time and I've decided I want to shut it down... beagled and beagled-helper are the culprits, but I cannot shut these things down
[03:01] <gib> Why not just kill them then?
[03:01] <tzanger> there isn't an /etc/init.d/beagle or anything like that, and killall, -INT and -TERM aren't helping... I could -9 them but there's got to be a way to find out how to stop them correctly, isn't there?
[03:02] <gib> I don't think -9ing them will hurt anything.
[03:02] <Taladan> it'll keep whatever memory they're allocating open until you reboot.
[03:03] <gib> Do you never shut your machine down or something?
[03:03] <Taladan> about once a month.
[03:03] <elzbal>  no, kill -9 doesn't keep their memory allocated.
[03:03] <tzanger> gib: it won't, but I'd prefer not to use that (I've been adminning linux systems for about a decade, just not debian or kubuntu ones)
[03:04] <gib> Oh, I wouldn't want to pay for all that extra electricity.
[03:04] <elzbal> a regular kill tells it to close itself appropriately. It should be tried first.
[03:04] <elzbal> If they don't respond, it's fine to kill -9 them.
[03:04] <Taladan> elzbal: yeah?  I thought it didn't free memory at all?
[03:04] <elzbal> nah... it kicks them right out.  :)
[03:05] <Taladan> hrm
[03:05] <Taladan> I'm right in thinking that it doesn't write to file though, correct?
[03:05] <Taladan> gib: it's actually not that bad
[03:06] <gib> You ever use KDE's system guard to view/kill processes?  It's pretty convenient.
[03:06] <Taladan> I've got three systems that I leave running all the time and it only raises my power bill by about 20-30 bucks a month.
[03:06] <elzbal> I leave all my machines on all the time too  :)
[03:07] <gib> I have one green c3 server that uses less than 30 watts total :)
[03:07] <elzbal> they reboot only in case of power outages longer than 15 or so minutes.
[03:07] <Taladan> It actually spikes your meter to turn your systems on...plus it's harder on the systems...startup in a computer is a lot like startup in a car, pretty hard situation.
[03:08] <gib> Well, I not only like to save $, but also like to go as easy on the environment as I can.
[03:09] <Taladan> See the above statement
[03:10] <Taladan> the more you stop and start your computer, the shorter its life is...meaning you'll have to dispose of/replace components sooner
[03:11] <gib> I've never had much of a problem with that either way--although I did just loose a drive in a server that was running 24/7.
[03:12] <Taladan> Didn't say you'd never lose components in a system that stayed up all the time ;)
[03:12] <purpleposeidon> how do you put a bind mount in fstab?
[03:12] <gib> Your milage varies a lot with HD's depending on the model.  There were a couple generations of seagates were like tanks, and just seem to keep going, and going, and going...
[03:13] <Taladan> and some of them that were like paper tanks
[03:13] <gib> If I remember correctly, I think I had problems with beagle running out of control.
[03:14] <gib> Yeah, some lines are scary and have almost a 100% failure rate over a few years.
[03:16] <gib> Storagereview has a place where people can report drive failures, to try to track which lines hold up best over time.
[03:16] <Taladan> I've had a pretty good track record with Samsung drives, actually
[03:16] <Taladan> Anything 20Gb and over
[03:17] <Taladan> but then again, I'm not running anything like sata or a raid array or anything, just a master/slave ata133 setup
[03:17] <gib> I think there first few generation drives were simply aweful, but they kept improving them every generation, and now they are good.
[03:18] <gib> their
[03:18] <NickPresta> !off-topic
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off-topic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <NickPresta> !offtopic
[03:18] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:19] <gib> WTF would someone bitch about off topics when the room is dead and nobody would be talking otherwise?!
[03:19] <NickPresta> !language
[03:19] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:19] <dwidmann_> gib: I wonder that same question a lot, except I usually wonder it without the profanity :P
[03:20] <Taladan> How long am I supposed to watch this language?
[03:20] <NickPresta> Finally, it isn't a big deal to type '/join #kubuntu-offtopic' and talk about whatever you want...
[03:20] <Taladan> Cause it's not doing anything
[03:20] <dwidmann_> Taladan: aproximately 6 hours, 37 minutes, and 42 seconds
[03:21] <gib> So you prefer dead silence?  It's not like I would stay off topic with more actual kubuntu traffic came in.
[03:21] <flaccid> yes dead silence please
[03:21] <Taladan> Seriously, you guys are a little AR about the whole 'off-topic' thing...not very new-user friendly.  But hey, I'm just a mindless drone, eh
[03:21] <dwidmann_> gib: 'sokay, don't make a big deal of it, we stray off topic all the time in here hehe
[03:22] <gib> AR is what was coming to my mind too :))
[03:22] <NickPresta> Touchy, touchy. gib, relax :)
[03:22] <dwidmann_> (and we get yelled at for it all the time too ... except when the ops participating)
[03:22] <flaccid> boo hoo
[03:23] <dwidmann_> beee areeeee beeee
[03:23] <Taladan> Wasn't linux once run by the 'revolutionaries' and the 'non-conformists'? ;)
[03:25] <sparr> im used to having a 'Walk Through Windows (All Desktops)' shortcut available to change the default alt-tab mapping to, but its missing from the keyboard shortcut dialog for me in 3.5.7, help?
[03:26] <NickPresta> purpleposeidon, to mount a bind in fstab, try this: "/real/dir /mount/dir none rw,bind 00"
[03:26] <NickPresta> purpleposeidon, sorry, replace 00 with "0 0" (space in between)
[03:26] <purpleposeidon> NickPresta: that's about what I did, except without 0 0
[03:26] <purpleposeidon> I think it worked, too
[03:27] <purpleposeidon> Of course, how are you going to know for sure that the actual hd's are mounted first... does it go in order?
[03:27] <NickPresta> sparr, "Walk Through Windows" should apply to all desktops
[03:27] <family> in openoffice impress, how can I make the fonts the same from one text box to the next I create?
[03:28] <NickPresta> purpleposeidon, I believe so.
[03:29] <acr> hi. I just installed kubuntu on my parents computer but they're only going to keep it if they can use skype like they do on windows. I downloaded and installed skype but it's not working with either the usb phone that they got or the regular microphone that they have. Can anybody help me get it set up?
[03:29] <NickPresta> acr, which version of Skype?
[03:30] <acr> the latest, 1.4.0999 I think
[03:30] <BluesKaj> dwidman , which windows/media codecs are needed for opera... mplayer and xine don't launch altho they're installed on my system
[03:30] <NickPresta> acr, check out: http://www.skype.com/help/guides/soundsetup_linux.html
[03:32] <gib> Aren't there some open source alternatives to Skype?  I don't know too much about the subject because I don't talk on the phone enough to care too much.
[03:32] <encom> #ubuntu-es
[03:32] <tekstacy> 'lo all.
[03:32] <Taladan> gib - yes
[03:32] <NickPresta> !hi | tekstacy
[03:32] <ubotu> tekstacy: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:33] <Taladan> there used to be one called Ekiga
[03:33] <tekstacy> :)
[03:33] <dwidmann> gib: I think wengophone is, but I'm not really sure.
[03:33] <NickPresta> gib, they aren't really viable alternatives, last time I checked
[03:33] <Taladan> dunno what it's called now
[03:33] <tekstacy> Anyone know if D-Link wireless cards work with kubuntu?
[03:33] <NickPresta> !wifi | tekstacy
[03:33] <ubotu> tekstacy: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:34] <duddie> Anyone know a working Wireless card for Kubuntu?
[03:34] <tekstacy> duh, should have remembed that.   Thanks :)
[03:34] <gib> I assume so, as long as they don't use some funky off the wall chipset.
[03:34] <encom> #ubuntu-es
[03:34] <tekstacy> If it can work, tomorrow I am changing over my grandmother's machine
[03:35] <dwidmann> duddie: I'm using the intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
[03:35] <NickPresta> encom, yes?
[03:35] <dwidmann> It works seamlessly
[03:35] <encom> hello
[03:35] <dwidmann> hi
[03:35] <NickPresta> !hi | encom
[03:35] <ubotu> encom: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:35] <encom> hello
[03:36] <duddie> dwidmann, I would LOVE to get my wireless Realtek RTL8201 working,, my Kubuntu actually can  the card.  but will not work.
[03:36] <duddie> sorry, can See the card.
[03:37] <gib> The intel card have good driver support, but they that doesn't mean they are too great at holding a connection if you're not real close to a basestation.
[03:37] <duddie> My system is fairly close..
[03:38] <duddie> I am out of here guys,, I am completely lost on how to get my wireless working,, I will return soon,
[03:38] <gib> I have three basestations and get awesome thoughput when I'm close to one of them, but get dropped a lot when I'm not.
[03:39] <gib> It's pretty easy in Kubuntu using KNetwork manager.
[03:39] <gib> Should be no problem setting up an Intel card.
[03:39] <winbond> can someone tell me how to figure out which files are the exe files for apps
[03:40] <NickPresta> winbond, which application?
[03:40] <dwidmann> gib, hmm, I've never been dropped before :)
[03:40] <tekstacy> Alright, it says the card works perfectly! Grandma gets linux tomorrow!! I am sooo f**king TIRED of "fixing windows" for her.
[03:40] <winbond> NickPresta, in general
[03:40] <Kr4t05> winbond: Binary executables usually don't have a file extention. Some files, like installers and scripts, might end in .sh or .bin
[03:40] <NickPresta> winbond, well, most applications have a setup.exe, etc.
[03:41] <dwidmann> gib: what router do you use, I wonder if that would make a difference.
[03:41] <gib> Maybe I have a lot of neighbors using wireless phones interferring with the frequency or something.
[03:41] <NickPresta> Kr4t05, I believe he is talking about wine'ing files (He was asking about Wine earlier).
[03:41] <Kr4t05> NickPresta: Ah... Right...
[03:41] <gib> I have two Linksys routers and one Belkin.
[03:41] <tekstacy> Does linux have an equivilent to the Windows Registry?
[03:41] <NickPresta> winbond, you are referring to applications you want to run in Wine, correct? Otherwise, listen to Kr4t05
[03:42] <Kr4t05> NickPresta: :P
[03:42] <gib> NO, that God!!!!!
[03:42] <gib> thank
[03:42] <winbond> NickPresta, no, im talking about linux apps
[03:42] <NickPresta> winbond, oh. Then yes, Kr4t05 is correct.
[03:42] <NickPresta> !exe | winbond
[03:42] <gib> That's what I hated most about Windows.
[03:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:42] <Kr4t05> tekstacy: GNOME has Gconf, which is about as annoying.
[03:42] <tekstacy> whew
[03:42] <sparr> NickPresta: it doesnt, for me, right now.  i know ive seen an option for it somewhere.
[03:42] <tekstacy> that's a relief
[03:42] <dwidmann> gib: which linksys routers, I hear one or two of the models got progressively worse over time
[03:43] <gib> The good ones that can run Linux.
[03:43] <sparr> NickPresta: aha.  for the record, its system settings, window behavior, navigation, traverse all desktops
[03:43] <dwidmann> (I mean, they released five or so versions of it, and the fifth was pretty cruddy)
[03:43] <Kr4t05> Alright... I need some help with my wirelss.
[03:43] <Kr4t05> But, then, this should be asked in #iptables, I think.
[03:43] <NickPresta> sparr, oh. Thanks for the information. I didn't really notice a change in Feisty so I never bothered to look for the new location :)
[03:43] <gib> I'm using the better L (linux versions), not the crippled ones :)
[03:44] <dwidmann> gib: which firmware?
[03:44] <tekstacy> Does Gnome have a good old-person-friendly mail program?
[03:44] <winbond> Kr4t05, for example , in the firefox folder i have a firefox script and firefox-bin, how do i know which one im suppose to run?
[03:44] <NickPresta> winbond, which Firefox folder?
[03:44] <dwidmann> gib:The hyperwrt + thibor seems to have added quite a few nice improvements if you haven't bothered with it.
[03:44] <gib> I don't remember exactly, but I'm running OpenWrt on both the Linksys
[03:44] <Kr4t05> winbond: Well, you shouldn't have to run it directly.
[03:44] <winbond> NickPresta, the main firefox folder
[03:45] <Kr4t05> winbond: If you have a link in your menu, just use that.
[03:45] <dwidmann> Hmm, openwrt, I think I looked at it, and decided it would have taken too much work
[03:45] <NickPresta> winbond, I'm sorry, which main firefox folder? What is it's location?
[03:45] <Kr4t05> Or, type "firefox" (sans quotation) in the terminal.
[03:45] <winbond> Kr4t05, i don't. im using a branch
[03:45] <gib> Not if you you the newer web interface.
[03:46] <gib> It's easy as pie.  :)
[03:46] <winbond> NickPresta, i downloaded a newer version
[03:46] <Kr4t05> winbond: Ah... Well, firefox (the script) would probably be best.
[03:46] <tekstacy> Goodnight. Thanks for the help.
[03:46] <gib> http://x-wrt.org/
[03:46] <Kr4t05> Because, the script will likely take infomation from your system to make the firefox-bin program run best for you.
[03:47] <dwidmann> gib: *nod* the hyperwrt looks about the same as the stock firmware, but with added bells and whistles
[03:47] <NickPresta> winbond, why? The newest version is in the repos.
[03:47] <winbond> Kr4t05, sounds good,
[03:47] <winbond> NickPresta, im using the development version
[03:48] <gib> Well they are all better than the crippled linksys routers running that other non-linux firmware--the name escapes me at the moment.
[03:49] <dwidmann> gib: indeed. My signal strength is a bit less than I thought it was though, about how far can you go before you start getting dropped ... I'm probably about 30 feet away and I've only got 65% signal strength .... and here I just now noticed that.
[03:50] <gib> I don't have to be very far away, just though a wall with the door closed, and I have problems.
[03:51] <scienceboy> i'm using winefile to navigate the WC3 files. is it possible to change the settings from there?
[03:53] <gib> I'm thinking of testing all the channels again and setting them to clearer ones to see if that helps.
[03:53] <dwidmann> I'm through at least 3 or 4 walls right now ...
[03:54] <gib> It must be my card and not my routers since  have three and it gets dropped from all of them.
[03:54] <dwidmann> If I go outside (which adds another wall or two depending where I sit) as well as some distance, I drop down to around 2 bars (knetworkmanager)
[03:55] <dwidmann> gib: which card do you have?
[03:55] <gib> It's the Intel internal one with AB&G
[03:56] <gib> The routers don't have A though, so it never uses that mode.
[03:56] <dwidmann> gib: which model of the intel? hmmmm, I disabled all modes but g on the router (I've got the GL also)
[03:57] <gib> I'm drawing a blank right now (I'm not on it right now), but it is the most common abg intel model.
[03:58] <dwidmann> gib: "sudo lshw -class network"
[03:58] <gib> I'm not on it right now :)
[03:58] <dwidmann> ssh into it? :P
[03:59] <gib> It's not on.
[03:59] <encom> #ubuntu-es
[03:59] <dwidmann> ah, that would do it.
[03:59] <NightBird> yeay for the ati announcement made today/recently
[03:59] <gib> They're not opening it up, are they?
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> heh, maybe we'll see ati drivers almost as good as the nvidia ones
[03:59] <dwidmann> NightBird: it's a start eh?
[04:00] <dwidmann> gib: no, but they're working on making their drivers less sucky.
[04:00] <gib> I got so PO'd at ATI I shitcaned it and bought an NVidia.
[04:00] <hitmanWilly> oh well, a smaller pile of crap is still a pile of crap
[04:01] <dwidmann> I wonder if it was vendor pressure, user pressure, or the fact that everybody talks smack about their lousy drivers ... or something else entirely
[04:01] <gib> That was before AMD bought them out though.  I figured AMD would have more insentive to improve the situation.
[04:01] <Biovore> I been 3dfx and nvidia from the start.. nvidia has always supported linux since like 2000
[04:01] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann: its cause of the amd buyout
[04:01] <NightBird> dwidmann: what, the 90% speed improvements, aiglx being confirmed for next month, or the likelyhood of making their drivers open source/releasing the hardware specs required to improve open source development?
[04:01] <makuseru> is there anyway to hide or change my IP address?
[04:01] <Biovore> makuseru: in irc.. have to register with the server..
[04:01] <hitmanWilly> makuseru: depends, proxy's are good for that
[04:02] <dwidmann> NightBird: the improvements in general
[04:02] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: perhaps
[04:02] <draik> Hello all
[04:02] <makuseru> !proxy
[04:02] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[04:02] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[04:02] <NightBird> my guess is that AMD would have wanted to improve linux support even without preasure from users and stuff
[04:02] <hitmanWilly> makuseru: or look into TOR
[04:02] <makuseru> im trying to use it with FireFox
[04:02] <makuseru> !TOR
[04:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <gib> Two days ago I don't someone who was going to use Linux to avoid ATI like the plague and get NVidia, and now ATI is trying to get egg on my face :))
[04:02] <hitmanWilly> !tor
[04:03] <makuseru> !tor
[04:03] <hitmanWilly> !onion
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about onion - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <gib> *told  someone :)
[04:03] <dwidmann> !info tor
[04:03] <ubotu> tor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1.26-1 (feisty), package size 806 kB, installed size 1740 kB
[04:03] <NightBird> makuseru: there is a tor plugin for firefox that lets you turn on and off proxy use with a click of a button...
[04:04] <NightBird> at least, there is for windows...
[04:04] <NightBird> I'm guessing there is one for linux as well
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> makuseru: its an abbreviation for the onion router, an app that routes your net connection through multiple proxies
[04:04] <makuseru> just look in FF extentions for TOR?
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> makuseru: its in the repos, im sure of that
[04:04] <dwidmann> makuseru: sudo apt-get install tor
[04:04] <NightBird> makuseru: no, you still need to install tor on your system as well
[04:04] <makuseru> oh
[04:04] <dwidmann> probably need to install privoxy too
[04:04] <NightBird> yeah
[04:05] <NightBird> it actually uses privoxy to communicate to the tor layer
[04:05] <dwidmann> Then hunt down a howto so you can set it up right
[04:05] <gib> How much overhead is there to TOR?
[04:05] <hitmanWilly> makuseru: jusdt beware that's its probably going to give a performance hit on connection speed
[04:05] <makuseru> thats fine
[04:05] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: that's why I don't use tor ... the performance hit was just too much :(
[04:05] <makuseru> where can i find that howto?
[04:05] <hitmanWilly> gib: not much, just slows the net connection down a little bit due to multiple proxy routing
[04:06] <draik> hitmanWilly: Only because of your nick I ask, do you like the game Hitman?
[04:06] <NightBird> gib: it slows down your connection... I've seen decent speeds through it though.....
[04:06] <dwidmann> makuseru: probably in the ubuntu wiki or community docs
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> draik: so so
[04:06] <gib> I assume it depend  on the weakest (slowest) link in the chain.
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> haven't played it for a while due to my ongoing feud with sony :)
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> draik: its actually an old navy nickname
[04:07] <dwidmann> NightBird: , hitmanWilly: the reason it hits my performance so hard is probably that my connection isn't all that great to begin with ... a somewhat lousy satellite connection
[04:07] <NightBird> dwidmann: ah...
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann: ok, satelite connections stack up packets and shoot a bunch off in one large burst, iirc, that's probably where the performance is going
[04:08] <NightBird> yeah, I can get... 120kb/s or so at best without tor.... and I forgot what speed I was getting when I used tor to download nmap...
[04:08] <gib> Anyone else happy ooxml when down in flames in spite of all the vote rigging attemps by Microsoft?
[04:08] <gib> Hope it gets the final nail driven through its heart in Feb/March.
[04:09] <dwidmann> gib: Is it really shot down altogether by iso? If it is, I'll be so happy.
[04:09] <gib> Almost.  It's got one last gasp to go.
[04:09] <draik> hitmanWilly: Oh. They are going to release the movie in a few months (11.21.07, I think) www.hitmanmovie.com
[04:10] <khaije1> pida don't run! what gives
[04:10] <dwidmann> gib: and the last gasp is?
[04:10] <dwidmann> (a link wouuld be nice)
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> i somehow doubt that ooxml is really dead, since its going to be the primary format for the new word, and most of corporate america still uses it
[04:10] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: but if people hear that iso rejected it that should be a nice punishing blow for it.
[04:11] <hitmanWilly> in the old days, MS would have locked up word so odf wouldn't open in it, even with plugins
[04:11] <hitmanWilly> but with open office out there now, i somehow doubt they would shoot themselves in the foot like that
[04:11] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: don't forget about koffice :)
[04:12] <flaccid> can msword have a open doc plugin?
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> my guess is that word will open up odf all corrupted and crappy looking, then blame the standard, not their garbage, locked up, bloated word processor
[04:12] <dwidmann> flaccid: I think there's supposed to be one currently available and/or coming ... read something about it a while back
[04:13] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: but if it didn't they wouldn't live up to their wonderous name, microshaft
[04:13] <flaccid> intresting
[04:13] <makuseru> ok, i found a howto, and got everything configured, but i dont undestand "To Torify an application that supports http (ie Firefox), ju"
[04:13] <flaccid> well m$ just got their request for office to be standard by ISO rejected haha
[04:13] <makuseru> "To Torify an application that supports http (ie Firefox), just point it at Privoxy (that is, localhost:8118 ). To use SOCKS directly (for example, for instant messaging, Jabber, IRC, etc), point your application directly at Tor (localhost:9050)."
[04:13] <makuseru> is what i ment
[04:13] <makuseru> what does that mean to do?
[04:14] <gib> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2178917,00.asp
[04:14] <g2g591> for firefox, i just recommend install the torbutton extension,
[04:14] <dwidmann> makuseru: what exactly is socks, I don't think I ever figured that out
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> makuseru: that means have it connect to the net via that address
[04:14] <dwidmann> I think there's a gui for torrifying stuff in kde, think it was called ktor or something?
[04:14] <makuseru> so how would i get it to where FF uses that?
[04:15] <makuseru> E: Couldn't find package ktor
[04:15] <dwidmann> makuseru: http://www.google.com
[04:15] <_2> makuseru the proxy setting within ff config
[04:15] <dwidmann> I never said there was a package :P
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> makuseru: `firefox localhost:9050` should do it
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> makuseru: or just use the tor button extension
[04:16] <gib> ooxml isn't open in the least.  It's a total sham.  Nobody would be able to implement it properly except MS because it referrences other proprietary shit of theirs.
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> makuseru: it installs a little button in the bottom of ff to turn tor on/off
[04:16] <gib> In fact, MS hasn't even implemented it itself, lol.
[04:16] <makuseru> i foudn the FF extention
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> is that like all the crap that was supposed to be in longhorn?
[04:17] <dwidmann> gib: not to mention the patents and other things that could prevent proper open source implementations
[04:17] <g2g591> there is a lot of drm in vista
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> but instead they shipped a castrated version designed to pacify the MAFIAA called vista
[04:18] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[04:18] <contrast83> I just had to do a hard reboot and now /usr/games isn't in my path. Can someone tell me how to set it back?
[04:18] <gib> Yeah, if it wasn't for all the MS partners that  joined at a the last minute at MS's request just to stuff the ballet box, it would have been shot down by a massive majority.
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> contrast83: export PATH=$PATH "/usr/games"
[04:19] <gib> ODF passed with ZERO no votes!!!
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> contrast83: that should do it, at least until you logout
[04:19] <contrast83> "bash: export: `/usr/games': not a valid identifier"
[04:19] <hydrogen> gib: #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:19] <hydrogen> hitmanWilly: its export PATH=$PATH:/usr/games
[04:20] <_2> export PATH=$PATH "/usr/games"  <<< will fail.    export PATH="$PATH:/usr/games"
[04:20] <hydrogen> don't even need to quote it
[04:20] <Jucato> hm... by default /usr/games is already in $PATH... at least here...
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> hmm, forgot the :, and i figured you'd either have to quote it or use escape chars
[04:20] <_2> hydrogen there could be spaces   so better to quote
[04:20] <contrast83> Thanks, that got it... Do you know how to make that permanent, so I don't have to do it every time I log in?
[04:21] <gib> Is anyone in here running Kubuntu Gutsy except me?
[04:21] <contrast83> gib: I am.
[04:21] <Jucato> gib: me too
[04:21] <dwidmann> me
[04:21] <gib> Are you using it with Thunderbird?
[04:21] <encom> hello
[04:21] <Biovore> gib: I am.. runs UT like butter..  Better then feisty..
[04:21] <Jucato> nope
[04:21] <encom> someboy can help me
[04:21] <contrast83> Nope
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> contrast83: add it to ~/.bash_profile
[04:21] <Jucato> encom: sure. ask
[04:21] <encom> thanks
[04:21] <encom> i was instal ffmpeg
[04:22] <gib> I can't get it to launch a compose Window to Thunderbird when I click on a mailto link.
[04:22] <gib> I had no problem in Feisty.
[04:22] <encom> but when i tri ti conver one file a error
[04:22] <contrast83> hitmanWilly: There's no such file, only .profile and .bashrc
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> contrast83: ok, add it to .bashrc then, all the way at the bottom
[04:23] <gib> So, people actually stick with the default Kmail?!
[04:23] <_2> ~/.bash_bashrc
[04:23] <contrast83> Kmail does all I need it to
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> yeah, i was just looking at that, bash_profile is for whenever bash goes interactive, .bashrc is for anytime it runs period
[04:24] <contrast83> Ok, so just add that line anywhere in the file, e.g., the bottom?
[04:24] <gib> It might finally be safe now, but it has a  long, long history of eating mail (perm deleting) mail when using IMAP.
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> contrast83: at the bottom, but in reality it shouldn't matter
[04:24] <dwidmann> gib: kmail+kontact ftw
[04:24] <gib> And I happen to use IMAP.
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> mutt ftw :P
[04:25] <dwidmann> I'll be using imap as soon as I finish getting my domain transferred to bluehost
[04:25] <Biovore> gib: there is a bug report out on a bunch of kde stuff..
[04:25] <_2> hitmanWilly if a static path is read in from another source then it needs to be after that...  so bottom is best
[04:25] <contrast83> Cool, brb, gonna test...
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> yeah, that's why I told him to put it there
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, i recoignize you, btw :)
[04:26] <_2> 01110
[04:26] <_2> shhh  i'm base two   not intelikey
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:26] <gib> I think they might have finally fixed the KMail IMAP mail eating problem in KDE 3.5.7, but it was an open bug that they ignored for like three years--the worst kind of critical data destroying bug--so I wasn't impressed with the Kmail team.
[04:26] <Jucato> you're underscore 2...
[04:27] <gib> two years
[04:27] <_2> binary
[04:27] <Jucato> 0
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> yeah, for some reason I always get bash_profile and bashrc mixed up
[04:28] <gib> I can't believe POP is still in use.
[04:28] <contrast83> Umm, ok, this is weird... I can run games from the terminal now, but clicking their shortcuts in K Menu does *nothing*, and Katapult says it can't find the executable. Any ideas?
[04:28] <dwidmann> not just use, heavy use
[04:28] <dwidmann> I liked pop up until I tried to access my account on two computers at once
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> heh, yeah, didn't think about that one
[04:28] <Jucato> contrast83: I think you need to logout first for KDE to recognize the change
[04:29] <contrast83> Jucato: I did.
[04:29] <gib> Talk about old, old, old, inferior technology.  Sheeh.  I wish POP would die.
[04:29] <Jucato> hm...
[04:29] <kalorin`> heh
[04:29] <kalorin`> I still routinely use zmodem :)
[04:29] <Jucato> hi draik!!
[04:29] <_2> POP as in point of presance ?
[04:29] <TyphoidHippo> Hey everyone - I'm trying to track down why samba transfers go about 20 times slower in Kubuntu than in Windows. I tried a few things in forums a while back, with no luck.
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> wow, haven't heard that one since my old BBS days...
[04:29] <TyphoidHippo> Figured I'd ask in here if anyone's experienced this before switching my entire network over to NFS (with my fingers crossed that that will be faster) sorry this is so long...
[04:29] <gib> Post Office Protocol
[04:30] <Jucato> gib: when webmail providers start offering free IMAP, maybe that would happen. until then, leave my POP3 alone! :P
[04:30] <_2> ditto Jucato
[04:30] <Jucato> :)
[04:31] <gib> I wish they would, but they're too damn afraid you'd keep too much of your mail on their servers if they offered IMAP.  That's the only thing I can think of.
[04:31] <_2> gib you can do that with pop
[04:31] <Jucato> hm... isn't that what also happens with POP?
[04:32] <TyphoidHippo> If it is of help or relevance - the problem is only with samba, and only with *buntu clients...
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> heh, honestly, i just have fetchmail get all my mail and archive it on an nfs system for any of my computers to look at
[04:32] <Jucato> in fact, they *want* you to use their servers :)
[04:32] <TyphoidHippo> This laptop (running kubuntu) transfers over FTP and HTML from my server plenty fast, and any windows machines that may find themselves in my house can transfer files via samba to and from my server (which is running Ubuntu server) plenty fast as well.
[04:32] <gib> Yes, but usually not.  POP is a pain in the ass if you use it from serveral computers.
[04:32] <TyphoidHippo> *HTTP - that should have read, lol
[04:33] <Jucato> that's true... but not everyone has several computers. and not even everyone who has several would necessarily switch to imap... so pop must live!
[04:33] <Jucato> anyway, offtopic hahaha
[04:33] <_2> pop is dead.   long live pop
[04:34] <_2> ouch
[04:34] <Jucato> er.. that should have been _2's head
[04:35] <contrast83> hmm... beer...
[04:35] <TyphoidHippo> I really hate to be one of those obnoxious guys who repeats his question over and over....but any help would be greatly appreciated - maybe I should try a different room?
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> TyphoidHippo: honestly, no idea
[04:35] <_2> ohooOOoooOOooo  raza' smacken' fraten'  </yocemite sam>
[04:36] <Jucato> TyphoidHippo: you could wait for a while... don't know s*** about Samba or networking...
[04:36] <gib> You have to repeat it over and over because most of the time 98% of the people that look like they are in the room are actually not even at their computer.
[04:36] <TyphoidHippo> yea, me neither, hitmanWilly - I guess I'll just try NFS
[04:36] <raylu> how do i get a list of users on my system i n the command line?
[04:36] <Jucato> despite what _2 would like you to believe...
[04:36] <raylu> TyphoidHippo, what's the problem?
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> can win machines even read nfs?
[04:36] <TyphoidHippo> I don't have any windows machines....
[04:36] <TyphoidHippo> so it would be alright
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> then why bother with samba?
[04:36] <Jucato> gib: repeat only at sane intervals... like 5 minutes or so
[04:36] <TyphoidHippo> except for friends or whatever...
[04:37] <_2> TyphoidHippo you might get more help from #ubuntu    never know.
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> nfs is like 10x easier to set up if it's all nix based systems
[04:38] <TyphoidHippo> raylu - samba is just really, really slow - but only from *buntu clients (my server runs ubuntu, but can transfer back and forth with windows machines really fast)
[04:38] <raylu> oh =\ no idea :P
[04:38] <_2> hitmanWilly yeah  even i setup nfs
[04:38] <raylu> so, how do i get a list of user accounts?
[04:38] <TyphoidHippo> ok, I'll give it a shot, and tell anybody who comes over they should just switch to linux, heh
[04:38] <_2> << network illiterate
[04:38] <TyphoidHippo> I guess they can still use FTP or HTTP, anyway
[04:39] <flaccid> samba is not slow at all. if its slow you have a bottleneck
[04:39] <dwidmann> if it's all nix based systems, why not just use sshfs, or use sftp?
[04:39] <contrast83> my only gripe w/ nfs is your system goes retarded when it's expecting an nfs mount to be there and it's not.
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> TyphoidHippo: and if you really want to transfer to/from win boxes, set up a sftp server or some such thing
[04:39] <_2> raylu on your system ?   cut -d':' -f1 /etc/passwd
[04:39] <gib> I think the main problem with NFS is no really security.
[04:39] <gib> real
[04:40] <dwidmann> which is why I recommended ssh :)
[04:40] <kalorin`> s/nfs/computers/g
[04:40] <TyphoidHippo> Yea, my server runs ftp, apache, and samba...and nfs, I assume, I have just never bothered learning to use it - I was just trying to avoid switching everything from samba to nfs
[04:40] <cosentino> [AU]  Lucky Star 22 [DA5789F3] .mp4
[04:40] <_2> TyphoidHippo or if you really need "simple" solutions   just use ssh  scp
[04:40] <flaccid> yep nfs is insecure so samba is the go. and scp/ssh for remote or use vpn
[04:40] <kalorin`> wouldn't be long and all computers that are networked at all will be succeptible to the cylon attack
[04:40] <flaccid> fix samba so its not slow..
[04:40] <raylu> oh, and what are the differences between userdel/deluser and useradd/adduser?
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> nfs is fine for a lan, but anything broader than that you start running into security problems
[04:41] <kalorin`> I use samba on the lan cause the wife is still on winderz
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> raylu: the last two are scripts that call the first two
[04:41] <TyphoidHippo> Ok, flaccid, that's the kinda attitude that I want to have about it, but I'm not sure what to do, because everything seems fine in all my configs, it's just....slow to/from linux machines
[04:41] <raylu> so, since i'm newby, i should be using deluser and adduser?
[04:42] <TyphoidHippo> windows/linux = fast, though
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> raylu: yeah, probably, or the gui tools
[04:42] <raylu> right...the gui...
[04:42] <_2> raylu the  user*add/del apps are basic (almost all *nix boxes)  the add/del*user apps are perl script added to simplify things.
[04:42] <cosentino> no hablen en ingles!!
[04:42] <kalorin`> !esp
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <kalorin`> !es
[04:42] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> !es cosentino
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about es cosentino - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <flaccid> TyphoidHippo: check logs and goto #samba and learn samba more. its not a simple thing
[04:42] <gib> ssh works great, and NX (which uses ssh is even cooler), but neither are really used for the same purpose as NFS/SMB
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> !es | cosentino
[04:43] <ubotu> cosentino: please see above
[04:43] <raylu> lol
[04:43] <raylu> that's rather broken...
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> damn, forgot the pipe
[04:43] <_2> raylu so if you are insteresed in "learning linux" learn the base apps.   if all you want is to manipulate an account use the scripts
[04:44] <raylu> the base apps have...3 arguments
[04:44] <TyphoidHippo> flaccid - I didn't even realize there was a #samba - hahaha....thanks, I'll go there
[04:44] <_2> or more.
[04:44] <raylu> the scripts just call them and do other things for me
[04:44] <_2> raylu yep
[04:44] <raylu> =\
[04:44] <raylu> then it seems that
[04:44] <raylu> "learn"ing would take all of 10 seconds
[04:45] <raylu> and that, as a dude who wants to manipule the accounts, i would never use the useradd/del
[04:45] <gib> It would be cool if KDE would rework it's remote desktop to use NX technology.  It's AT LEAST 10x faster.
[04:45] <raylu> regardless of my comfort-level in linux
[04:45] <_2> raylu yeah about that.    useradd -m -g blah blah ;passwd blah
[04:45] <raylu> oh...heh...
[04:45] <raylu> there are more flags for useradd
[04:46] <_2> you can even specify the password on the command line but that leaves it in the .bash_history file for the world to crack...
[04:46] <gib> You can even use your password as your handle if you like :)
[04:47] <raylu> so, if i make a user with uid 1001 and delete it, what uid will the next user be assigned?
[04:47] <_2> you can even   passwd -d blah   if you like,   and not have a passwd
[04:47] <_2> but that's not very secure
[04:47] <_2> raylu 1001 or what ever you assign it.
[04:47] <kalorin`> or it's very secure
[04:48] <raylu> oh, awesomeness
[04:48] <kalorin`> I'm not sure I've ever seen a script kiddy try NO password :)
[04:48] <_2> kalorin you been trying to crack my box ?
[04:48] <kalorin`> heh
[04:48] <raylu> lol
[04:48] <kalorin`> if you have no password set, then no....
[04:48] <TyphoidHippo> flaccid - good call on checking the logs...  I have found the problem (or at least an error message that is no doubt causing the problem)
[04:49] <_2> kalorin` no it's very insecure  it will login and then take the next field (normally the password) as a command to the shell
[04:49] <kalorin`> ah
[04:49] <kalorin`> well that blows up my next password
[04:49] <kalorin`> :)
[04:49] <_2> :)
[04:50] <_2> and i have no password  but i also have all accounts locked.   there is no login on this box
[04:50] <kalorin`> you hacked your own box?
[04:50] <kalorin`> ;)
[04:50] <_2> yeah and rootkited it
[04:51] <gib> Your pets name, your kids name, your address, or your mothers maden name are all really good choices ;)
[04:51] <kalorin`> sweet!
[04:51] <kalorin`> don't forget your birthday and wife's name
[04:51] <kalorin`> :)
[04:51] <kalorin`> (or lovers name if you're having an affair, cause no one knows about the affair right, so you're safe with that :) )
[04:51] <gib> Oh yeah, I forgot those :)
[04:52] <raylu> or the md5 of all of those put toghether with a salt of your favorite flavor of strawberry :D
[04:52] <_2> gib no. not really.   on secure linux boxes anything in the dictionary will be rejected as a password.     and if it doesn't have enough chars it's rejected too
[04:52] <raylu> i think it's stupid to reject any user selected passwords
[04:52] <raylu> a warning is fine, rejecting it is not
[04:53] <kalorin`> heh
[04:53] <gib> Kubuntu isn't restrictive by default, is it?
[04:53] <kalorin`> I love when windows enforces password rules
[04:53] <_2> not if they have any privlages that might be used to compromise the system it's not stupid to reject insecure passwords
[04:53] <flaccid> TyphoidHippo: lol
[04:53] <kalorin`> must have at least 1 number, symbol, capital letter and must be 8 letters long
[04:53] <kalorin`> password: Password1
[04:54] <raylu> symbol?
[04:54] <kalorin`> well it's pick 3 of 4 for those rules
[04:54] <raylu> lol
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[04:54] <raylu> lol
[04:54] <raylu> that password fails too :P
[04:55] <_2> last "password" i used was 64 chars
[04:56] <_2> then decided to just go ahead and secure the box.
[04:56] <TyphoidHippo> ....I always use "pass(jumble of random characters)" instead of "password"s
[04:57] <gib> Speaking of that, I have an old fingerprint scanner I never could get to work under Win2000/XP.  I wonder if there is a Linux driver for it.
[04:57] <_2> gib probably
[04:57] <gib> It's a sony FIU 710
[04:58] <_2> google.com/linux  "driver for fiu 710"
[04:59] <gib> Assuming there is a driver, what kind of front end would you use with it to log into a KDE desktop?
[05:00] <_2> errr i'd probably write something...  heh  but there might be something already built out there some where
[05:01] <gib> I suppose it would be most useful for encrypting/decrypting files.
[05:02] <_2> write your own login   write your own init    write your own shell ....
[05:03] <gib> I have a debain server using a LUKS encrypted partiton with an ungodly long password I have to type on reboot.  It would be  cool to use for that.
[05:04] <dwidmann> gib: I did that for a while, then I decided i wanted to move back to kubuntu ... got some sort of weird kernel panic :(
[05:05] <gib> BTW, when will Kubuntu be adding encrypted partition support?
[05:06] <gib> Debian is good when you just want to set it up and forget it for a long time except for security patches.
[05:06] <dwidmann> gib: it technically is there, but it just seems it bugged out for me ... I'm thinking debian probably  has some nice little patches on it or something
[05:06] <dwidmann> gib: heh, yeah, but at the time that one computer was used for well everything, still is, though now its time is shared with the laptop.
[05:08] <gib> Well, the server with the encryted partion is only rebooted in power outages, so encrypted partition with the ungodly long and complicated password is not too much of a hassle :)
[05:09] <gib> I haven't have many problems with Kubuntu for desktop/Notebook use.
[05:10] <dwidmann> I just sshed my desktop to check the uptime .... says 15 days, and that will probably continue until the next inevitable power outage (I swear every time it rains with a little bit of thunder the power goes out :( )
[05:10] <gib> The Ubuntu server kernel wouldn't work on my little c3 green servers.
[05:11] <gib> I Debain works great anyway, so I guess it's not really needed for that.
[05:11] <dewag> hallo
[05:13] <gib> So, do most people using Kubuntu try to stick to all QT apps, or use gtk/gnome ones too?
[05:13] <Allysan> I use whatever is most productive
[05:13] <Allysan> Sometimes that happens to be a gnome app
[05:13] <Allysan> most of the time, however...
[05:14] <dwidmann> gib: with the exception of GIMP I've got all qt/kde apps (well, for graphical ones, anyway). I just don't like most of the gnome "equivalents"
[05:14] <gib> I use both.  Straight gtk apps are fine, I dislike gtk apps with really heavy gnome deps where you almost have to go into gnome to configure some things.
[05:14] <kalorin`> amorok?
[05:14] <Allysan> Amarok all the way.
[05:15] <kalorin`> I honestly don't really know much of the difference
[05:15] <winbond> does anyone know of a good tutorial on compiling a kernel,  one that explains what can be ditched and why
[05:15] <kalorin`> if gimp is gnome, then I really don't notice this or that as gnome, I just pick what I feel is the best tool for the job at hand
[05:15] <gib> gnucash has some heavy gnome deps, but I like it a lot better than KMyMoney.
[05:15] <dwidmann> winbond: what can be ditched and why varies based on the computer, ditching one thing on one copmputer might be okay, but on another computer you could be setting yourself up for a nightmare.
[05:16] <kalorin`> winbond, it doesn' treally matter if things are modules
[05:16] <gib> Esp since KMyMoney seems to be highly unstable on Kubuntu.
[05:16] <kalorin`> it'll only load what it needs for the most part
[05:17] <gib> gimp is good, but I can't stand the 20 million independent windows all over the place.
[05:17] <dwidmann> kalorin`: gimp is gtk, not gnome
[05:17] <kalorin`> I prefer it now to photoshop
[05:17] <Allysan> Truth @ gib
[05:17] <gib> Krita is coming on like crazy.
[05:17] <kalorin`> it's got a much better raw image loader
[05:17] <kkathman> ive not experienced KMyMoney being unstable at all
[05:17] <Allysan> I'll take PS anyday
[05:18] <Allysan> but gimp works in a pinch
[05:18] <kalorin`> PS doesn't do well in vmware for me, and I don't want to dual boot
[05:18] <kkathman> Gimp is way ahead of Krita, and its not too bad considering most dont have $800 for PS :)
[05:18] <gib> KMyMoney crashed and lost all recently entered data in two different systems I tried it on.
[05:18] <Allysan> I ran PS fine with RDC
[05:18] <kalorin`> so I started using Gimp and have found that i can do most everything I want to do in it just as well or better
[05:18] <Allysan> kRDC*
[05:18] <kkathman> gib - interesting - not a problem here
[05:18] <kalorin`> yeah I didn't like it
[05:18] <dwidmann> gib: just a few more features that I miss when using krita and I'll be completely free of gimp.
[05:19] <kalorin`> even using localhost for a connection it seemed laggy especially when you selected something on the image for cropping or doing some operation on it
[05:19] <kkathman> as long as you dont try to CREATE in gimp - yer fine.  takes forever with the non-real time things they have
[05:19] <Allysan> ran fine for me, and that was on a min spec laptop
[05:19] <winbond> dwidmann, if i dont brake it, ill never learn
[05:19] <gib> gimp has a big head start on Krita, but Krita seems to be a very active project.
[05:19] <kkathman> inkscape might be a better choice if you are into vector graphics especially
[05:20] <Allysan> Inkscape I like
[05:20] <Allysan> better than illustrator, tbh, although I'm not liking the inkscape pen tool
[05:21] <gib> KMymoney crashed repeatedly on two systems that don't have any problems with any other apps, so I couldn't trust it, but I really like gnucash, after tweaking it to look better under KDE, so I'm OK>
[05:21] <kkathman> gnucash has alot of extensions for business too
[05:22] <winbond> !kernel
[05:22] <dwidmann> winbond: brake what?
[05:22] <winbond> dwidmann, the kernel
[05:22] <dwidmann> ah, yes, that
[05:22] <gib> I don't understand why KMymoney is call easy, and gnucash more complicated.  I don't see who gnucash could be any easier to use--everything worked exactly as I expected it to.
[05:22] <dwidmann> winbond: trial and plethora of errors indeed the best and most time consuming way to learn :P
[05:23] <gib> how
[05:23] <kkathman> i never had much problem with KMyMoney, and I thought they both werent that hard to set up
[05:23] <winbond> dwidmann, thats the only way i learn, most effective too
[05:24] <kkathman> if you used Quicken, you probably caught on to KMyMoney pretty fast
[05:24] <gib> Seems like LedgerSMB would be the way to go for business use.
[05:24] <kkathman> yeah there are a number of decent packages out there
[05:25] <winbond> so anyone, any good kernel compiling tuts?
[05:25] <gib> I wish ubuntu would stay more up to date with gnucash though.  Even gutsy isn't up to date.
[05:26] <crazy_bus> I'm using edgy and a HP printer.  But for some reason the printer isn't printing any yellow.  I haven't printed much so I don't think it would be lack of ink.  Is there anyway I can look at how much ink is in it?
[05:26] <dwidmann> winbond: google for "debian sarge|etch compile kernel" or something like that, I remember seeing a really nice howto that I got from a similar search
[05:26] <Allysan> Only in nice high end printers, lower end ones not so much
[05:26] <Allysan> Probably your cartridge though you might wish to google it and see if anyone else had the problem
[05:27] <gib> Don't the HP Inkjet drivers show ink levels?
[05:27] <Allysan> i've only ever seen it done on th eprinter itself
[05:27] <winbond> dwidmann, kk, will try, found some , but nothing i can use yet, im on gutsy
[05:27] <Allysan> where the cartridges were the size of your two arms and each color was loaded individually
[05:28] <gib> Yeah, most newer ones have LCD's that can give you readouts about that  kind of thing right on the printer.
[05:28] <dwidmann> winbond: whatcha mean "nothing I can use yet"
[05:28] <gib> Just don't get a Canon printer.  Their Linux driver suck.
[05:28] <winbond> dwidmann, old tutorials, reffering to some old packages i dont even know
[05:30] <dwidmann> winbond: kernel compilation really hasn't changed all that much. It really won't/shouldn't matter how old the tutorial is
[05:30] <dwidmann> winbond: that's why I specified to search for debian sarge/etch (it'll net you a year or three old tutorial, that will work just fine), just so long as it isn't one for debian woody
[05:32] <gib> It's a good thing Debian moves slowly, or they'd run out of Toy Story characters.
[05:32] <kkathman> ROFL
[05:35] <FireCrotch_> !sound
[05:35] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:37] <winbond> dwidmann, yeah, thanks, this is only the second time im doing it, so im trying to find something i can understand,  i did it once like 2 years ago, but dont remember anything
[05:38] <gib> What support are you trying to add that's not in the stock kernel?
[05:38] <feimao> !sound
[05:38] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:40] <gib> Speaking of getting sound to work, it sure doesn't help matters any that kubuntu removed alsaconf
[05:42] <Allysan> I've had sound issues too, it always occurs after I hibernate
[05:42] <winbond> gib, cant u install alsconf? i seen it in the add/remove program thingie
[05:42] <Allysan> suspend/resume fixes it
[05:42] <Allysan> as does removing linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-libs packages
[05:42] <Allysan> then reinstalling them
[05:43] <kalorin`> I usually find that adjusting the volume control up a bit helps :)
[05:43] <Allysan> Heh, yes, but at times that doesn't work
[05:43] <kalorin`> but it's good to check that first :)
[05:43] <Allysan> yes
[05:43] <kalorin`> and the mute setting
[05:44] <Allysan> but it is indeed odd
[05:44] <Allysan> I always lose all sound after a hibernate, only suspend/resume or removing and reinstalling the sound packages fixes it
[05:46] <MarcC> how can I fix kded taking up 100% cpu every time I boot into Kubuntu?
[05:46] <MarcC> Konqueror won't show any files until I kill kded
[05:56] <manikfox> anyone know how to bind the mouse4 and mouse5 on my mouse to scroll virtual desktops?
[06:00] <_dan_> hello, can anyone help me start the kde4 beta? "startkde" bin isnt where its supposed to be
[06:04] <madindustries> how does this work
[06:04] <MarcC> like this
[06:04] <madindustries> lol
[06:05] <madindustries> I need help setting up infrared in kde
[06:05] <_dan_> just ask your question, and cross fingers someone who can help reads it
[06:05] <MarcC> tell us what you've tried
[06:06] <madindustries> i installed a program called irkick and dont know hwat to do after that
[06:06] <madindustries> what*
[06:07] <MarcC> have you started it up?
[06:07] <madindustries> yes
[06:07] <Allysan> Do you actually know what it does?
[06:08] <MarcC> I'm pretty sure irkick is meant to be used by programs that want to provide IR technology, not by end-users
[06:08] <madindustries> I believe its meant to be used as a remote for the computer
[06:08] <madindustries> but i was hoping it would have some type of driver for my hardware
[06:09] <MarcC> look here, for example
[06:09] <MarcC> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/resources/documents/infrared-remotes.shtml
[06:09] <MarcC> sounds like you should look in your K menu for configuration software for IRKick
[06:10] <madindustries> right, i downloaded an ir remote file from http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/ which has the model remote i would like to use
[06:11] <madindustries> but i cant get it to install
[06:11] <MarcC> maybe asking the IRKick/lirc people would be faster
[06:11] <dwidmann> irkick is great :)
[06:12] <MarcC> speak of the devil
[06:13] <madindustries> do you use it dwidmann
[06:13] <madindustries> ?
[06:13] <dwidmann> Yeah
[06:13] <dwidmann> I even added the irkick section to the ubuntu wiki's lirc page :)
[06:13] <madindustries> oh, link?
[06:14] <dwidmann> one sec, I gotta dig for it
[06:14] <madindustries> nvm, ill look
[06:16] <_dan_> i cant fine the kde4 "startkde" script according to packages.ubuntu.com it should be there tho
[06:16] <madindustries> this is all i found on infrared
[06:16] <madindustries> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting/InfraRedPNP?highlight=%28infrared%29
[06:17] <dwidmann> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[06:17] <maedhro1> Can I use the KDE aptitude-install on a Gnome desktop?
[06:17] <peter_> So I have been having some issue.  Whenever I try to restart my computer seems to freeze at the loading screen.  I have to re-start it several times to make it work.  Any ideas?
[06:17] <dwidmann> maedhro1: sure
[06:17] <madindustries> just a sec
[06:18] <maedhro1> dwidmann: So it just does the same as the default Gnome apt-get interface, right? No difference behind the interface?
[06:19] <madindustries> I was not able to figure out what type of ir device i have, its internall
[06:20] <dwidmann> maedhro1: pretty much, both use libapt, just a different frontend
[06:20] <peter_> Anybody know why Kubuntu would sieze up on the loading screen when re-booting or turning on my system?
[06:21] <madindustries> oh, thanks
[06:22] <dwidmann> peter_: could be a number of things, first thing I would try would be disabling usplash to see at which point it "siezes up"
[06:22] <manikfox> anyone know how to bind the mouse4 and mouse5 on my mouse to scroll virtual desktops?
[06:23] <peter_> dwidmann, how would I go about doing that?  I'm rather new to Linux
[06:24] <dwidmann> peter_: when it comes up with grub (or shows you a message saying press esc to show the grub menu) highlight the kernel line (probably the default) that you want it to boot, press 'e' (for edit), go to the kernel line, press 'e' again, go to the end of the line, and remove the word splash, press enter, then press 'b' to boot
[06:26] <bgt421> if i'm looking to change my default boot in grub/menu.lst , I don't count the entry that's just the title that says "Other Operating Systems" do I?
[06:26] <peter_> all right, thanks dwidmann, I'll see what happens
[06:28] <[pyro] > is someone able to tell me where i can find where the system is binding ethX to the actual interface? i thought it was /etc/modules but its not in there
[06:28] <[pyro] > i have an eth0 and an eth2 (because i remove and replace a NIC). I want to change eth2 back to eth1
[06:28] <dwidmann> I'm  now deep in the depths of a caffeine crash. I'm going to go ... be back in the morning, night folks.
[06:33] <flaccid> [pyro] : no reason to.
[06:34] <[pyro] > flaccid: yea there is, i dont want to have to change my firewall rules.. im too lazy. I just want to change eth2 back to eth1 :)
[06:34] <[pyro] > i think its in /etc/modprobe.d/ anyways, still havent found it though
[06:34] <hydrogen> no
[06:34] <hydrogen> its a udev thing
[06:35] <hydrogen> usually
[06:35] <flaccid> change the firewall rules, done.
[06:35] <flaccid> either way you are changing something and you can change the firewall rules with 1 command. i've seen linux change logical names, and never seen any way to manually set them, although im sure its possible
[06:35] <hydrogen> you will need to add an entry to /etc/udev.d/rules.d/70-persistant-net.rules
[06:36] <flaccid> ah ok
[06:36] <hydrogen> see the README in that directory on instructions on how
[06:36] <[pyro] > it has me curious now, it used to exist in /etc/modprobe.conf but no longer exists. You would load the network driver module and spec which ethX interface you wanted used.
[06:36] <hydrogen> you might be able to do that as well
[06:36] <hydrogen> but udev is more guaranteed
[06:37] <[pyro] > hydrogen: cool, i havent played with udev before ill check it out
[06:37] <hydrogen> theres some howto's on the internet about its unique syntax
[06:37] <[pyro] > cheers :)
[06:37] <flaccid> [pyro] : http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm
[06:37] <hydrogen> basically you just need to find something unique about your nic and tell udev to match it
[06:37] <[pyro] > yep gotcha
[06:37] <[pyro] > thanks flaccid
[06:37] <flaccid> np
[06:54] <dewd> hey anyone here get the iphone to charge through ubuntu?
[06:54] <dewd> or any linux for that matter
[06:56] <dewd> ?
[06:56] <madindustries> does linux recognize that the phone has been connected?
[06:56] <dewd> as a camera yes
[06:56] <dewd> and it begins to charge for a second before stopping
[06:57] <madindustries> ok, what happens if you open the "camera"
[06:57] <dewd> i found this through google but i have no clue how to compile or what this means http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/23/327
[06:57] <dewd> dunno let me try...
[06:58] <flaccid> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=489841
[06:58] <dewd> keeps reloading the phone
[06:59] <flaccid> dewd: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=Afo&q=iphone+charging+linux&btnG=Search
[06:59] <madindustries> ok, try the link flaccid just gave you
[07:01] <madindustries> ill be back in sec
[07:01] <dewd> no real answer... and the google search gave me nothing but the link i pasted with replies
[07:02] <dewd> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/23/327
[07:02] <dewd> if i knew wat that post was i think thats my answer
[07:03] <cdawg> anyone able to help a noob out real quick?
[07:05] <dewd> hmm guess not many people messing with the iphone on linux yet
[07:05] <madindustries> k im back, dewd im researching
[07:05] <madindustries> it might take a few
[07:05] <dewd> oh thnx
[07:06] <dewd> if you paste this link in firefox itll take you to the post im talking about with some code dunno how to compile it though http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/23/327
[07:07] <dewd> for some reason when i click it in konversation it tries to download a source but never connects
[07:09] <madindustries> yea, i know, i get the same
[07:09] <nordiksito> alguien habla espaol
[07:19] <john> gudday guys i need help for my canon pixma printer ip1000 i cannot install to my kubuntu feisty pls send help im a newbee
[07:21] <ehc> I need a repository that contains libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig
[07:23] <ehc> I am trying to install compiz
[07:24] <kkathman> ehc check out the wiki :
[07:24] <kkathman> hold on I can get it for you
[07:25] <kkathman> ehc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[07:26] <kkathman> follow those direction precisely or you'll end up with something much less than you want :)
[07:26] <ehc> kkathman, I was just there following those instructions. But I got an error with dependency the package I said above
[07:27] <kkathman> ehc:  did you use the amaranth repositories or the trevino ones?
[07:27] <ehc> amaranth
[07:27] <kkathman> typically you use the trevino first and it wrecks the system
[07:28] <kkathman> I used those directions and it worked right out the 1st time :)
[07:28] <kkathman> the ones I pasted
[07:28] <ehc> kkathman, I am running amd64 7.04 ubunutu with kubuntu installed through apt get
[07:28] <kkathman> ditto
[07:29] <kkathman> ehc if you have the right repos and did an apt-get update that dependency is there
[07:29] <kkathman> libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig - KConfig Settings library for plugins - OpenCompositing Project
[07:30] <kkathman> or should be at least :)
[07:31] <ehc> kkathman, I have that dependency. should I try the trevino repos
[07:31] <kkathman> ehc I wouldnt no
[07:32] <ehc> kkathman, okay
[07:32] <kkathman> if you have the dependency  then I dont know why you're getting the error
[07:32] <kkathman> ehc you did do the apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade right?
[07:33] <ehc> kkathman The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:33] <ehc>   compiz-kde: Depends: libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig but it is not installable
[07:33] <ehc> kkathman, yeah
[07:33] <kkathman> yeah looks like they might be at different versions
[07:34] <ehc> kkathman, okay any last suggestions?
[07:34] <kkathman> ehc try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install compiz-kde
[07:34] <ehc> kkathman, same error
[07:34] <kkathman> last thing to try is to remove all of it and restart
[07:35] <ehc> kkathman, okay well I will mess with this another day. Thank you for your help.
[07:35] <kkathman> I had to do that because I got that same dependency error - but I used the trevino ones
[07:35] <kkathman> no problem - good luck
[07:36] <ehc> kkathman, night
[07:36] <kkathman> good night
[07:39] <madindustries> dewd, are you still there?
[07:41] <madindustries> does anyone know how to compile source code in kubuntu?
[07:41] <Jucato> !compile | madindustries
[07:41] <ubotu> madindustries: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:41] <holycow> !package
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:42] <madindustries> there is no pre-built package
[07:42] <kkathman> you'll need to get the build-essentials first I reckon
[07:42] <madindustries> i have build essentials
[07:42] <kkathman> what are you trying to compile?
[07:42] <madindustries> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/23/327
[07:43] <kkathman> sometimes there are other dependencies you need that are package specific, along with src files
[07:43] <Jucato> ah kernel?
[07:43] <Jucato> !kernel
[07:43] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[07:43] <kkathman> whoops
[07:43] <kkathman> hehe
[07:43] <kkathman> yeah you need more :)
[07:43] <kkathman> haha
[07:43] <madindustries> more?
[07:43] <Jucato> definitely more :)
[07:44] <madindustries> of what?
[07:44] <Jucato> more instructions ^^^
[07:44] <madindustries> oh
[07:44] <scheater6> speaking of kernels - anyone managed to get the 2.6.22-10-rt (the real time kernel from the gusty repos) on feisty?
[07:44] <Jucato> compiling a kernel is not as simple as compiling some other program
[07:44] <kkathman> yah - http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[07:44] <madindustries> why?
[07:44] <Jucato> scheater6: not me. might want to try asking in #ubuntu+1
[07:44] <kkathman> its a tad old but should still work
[07:45] <holycow> what draws the kde panel? i want to kill it during this dist upgrade
[07:45] <scheater6> jucato: alright - will do.
[07:45] <Jucato> madindustries: why? because a kernel is more than just a simple program. that's why
[07:45] <Jucato> holycow: kicker
[07:45] <holycow> danke
[07:45] <scheater6> jucato: are you saying you've tried?
[07:45] <Jucato> scheater6: nope :)
[07:45] <kkathman> madindustries:  you have to choose the configuration first, then you kernel compile
[07:45] <scheater6> O - thanx anyway then.
[07:45] <madindustries> oh that
[07:45] <kkathman> madindustries:  try making your way through that post I put up there
[07:45] <madindustries> right
[07:46] <scheater6> jucato: it's extremely low latency (near "real time") for things like audio recording (and, apparently from the wiki, controlling robots)
[07:46] <Jucato> most programs, you just have to run ./configure, make, and make install. for a kernel, you need to setup lots of other stuff
[07:46] <madindustries> actually i found and read that post earlier
[07:46] <kkathman> -rt is usually real-time but on some things its root toolkit :
[07:46] <Jucato> scheater6: hm..  ok...
[07:47] <kkathman> madindustries:  thats what you need
[07:47] <kkathman> Ive compiled a kernel only once and it was in SUSE - PITA because of all the post patches they put in there
[07:47] <madindustries> so is it worth the trouble?
[07:47] <kkathman> nope
[07:48] <kkathman> not unless you have some hardware thats only supported in a later kernel
[07:48] <kkathman> shoot Gutsy comes out - what... one month or so - you'll get a kernel bump
[07:48] <Jucato> only 2 reasons you need to compile a kernel: your hardware needs it or because you *really* want to
[07:49] <kkathman> Jucato:  hehe agreed
[07:49] <Jucato> kkathman: depends if you compiled a kernel that's more up to date than gutsy's :)
[07:49] <maverick> it's not like there's going any development in S-video in fesity in the near future, right?
[07:49] <kkathman> Jucato:  what's gutsy going to come with ?
[07:50] <Jucato> Linux Suzaku 2.6.22-10-generic #1 SMP Wed Aug 22 08:11:52 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:50] <_2_> this is the only xorg output on it    x locks up   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39396   running app asc
[07:50] <youchina_> konquerorkubuntu 7.04
[07:50] <Jucato> so far no kernel changes yet
[07:50] <kkathman> hmm thats reasonably recent
[07:50] <kkathman> I think I did 21.6 before
[07:50] <kkathman> 21-6 sorry
[07:50] <Jucato> !cn | youchina_
[07:50] <ubotu> youchina_: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[07:51] <kkathman> I got it working but never had sound in SUSE :(
[07:51] <youchina_> OK,i will try
[07:51] <maverick> bumper
[07:51] <maverick> not going to use suse anyway :D
[07:51] <kkathman> I had a dual boot machine for a while
[07:52] <Jucato> s/book/boot
[07:52] <maverick> oh, ny idea of some good resources monitor ??
[07:52] <kkathman> still do - openSUSE and ubuntu/kubuntu
[07:53] <kkathman> maverick:  I'd use gkrellm its the most faithful I have seen
[07:53] <kkathman> its also skinnable
[07:53] <Jucato> then there are literally tons of Superkaramba stuff
[07:53] <Jucato> and there's also the system monitor/guard applets you can put on a panel
[07:53] <kkathman> yeah but my experience with the SK stuff is that they arent very accurate
[07:54] <kkathman> or in a cli you can always do a top or htop
[07:54] <maverick> kkathman: thnx i'll try...
[07:54] <Jucato> I still need to have a reason for system monitoring... aside from being fancy :)
[07:54] <Jucato> hm.. maybe a disk usage monitor...
[07:54] <kkathman> yeah I dont see a need either
[07:54] <maverick> Jucato: unfortunately karamba plugins not all of them display on my desktop dunno why
[07:54] <kkathman> unless I get a slow down then I just pop to the cli and do an htop
[07:54] <maverick> they aren't even populated in the plugins list after install
[07:55] <Jucato> maverick: are you using compiz or beryl?
[07:55] <maverick> nope
[07:55] <_2_> hmmm 7 shoes is all i have put on one pinguin at one time
[07:55] <Jucato> hm...
[07:55] <kkathman> maverick:  you're right about that... atm Im using compiz-fusion and am running one SK widget - Liquid weather
[07:55] <kkathman> but Ive seen widgets that really do weird things :)
[07:56] <maverick> i got bored of the composites stuf so i removed all of them
[07:56] <maverick> :D
[07:56] <kkathman> hehe
[07:57] <kkathman> im lazy - I honestly kept beryl around cuz to move from one desktop (pane) to another I dont need to use two hands :)
[07:57] <kkathman> just rotate with the mousewheel :)
[07:58] <kkathman> course you can do that with KDE desktops too , but its not as much fun :)
[07:58] <maverick> kkathman: i use 3ddesktop
[07:58] <kkathman> i see
[07:59] <Jucato> too bad 3ddesk was unmaintained
[07:59] <Jucato> it was cool before compiz came :(
[07:59] <kkathman> well compiz-fusion runs so smooth, I didnt see a reason to dump it
[07:59] <Jucato> 3ddesktop + kompose = minimal fancy effects + usability
[07:59] <maverick> Jucato: perfectly put ...
[08:00] <Jucato> there's also taskbar v2 from kde-apps that also gives you a fancy "mini preview" of windows in the taskbar
[08:01] <Jucato> you can also drag your mouse or app to the border of desktops to switch/move to the next desktop
[08:01] <Jucato> without the fancy effects of course
[08:01] <_2_> the desktop switcher also previews the desktop
[08:03] <buggie> i've just installed kubuntu feisty on a toshiba satalite A60 with ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller (straight from lspci).  Kmix seems to recognize the device, but I have no sound.  Any ideas?
[08:03] <madindustries> its not on mute, right?
[08:03] <maverick> You know hat KIMA is enough for a monitor...after all i don't really need the ethernet monitor
[08:03] <maverick> :D
[08:03] <buggie> first thing I checked.
[08:04] <madindustries> what are you testing sound with?
[08:04] <_2_> breaking glass ?
[08:04] <madindustries> lol
[08:04] <buggie> funny you should ask.  I was basing this on the fact that I'm not hearing the ubiquidous sign-on tone.  I'm looking for something installed that I can play to test.
[08:05] <madindustries> that would be a good idea
[08:05] <madindustries> just use an audio cd, its pretty simple
[08:05] <Jucato> System Settings -> Notifications would be a good place to test system sounds too
[08:05] <madindustries> oh yea
[08:06] <maverick> 1- Messenger file transfer protocol
[08:06] <madindustries> didnt even think of that one
[08:06] <maverick> 2- S-video
[08:06] <Jucato> the ubiquitous kubuntu startup sound is also not very loud in the first place..
[08:06] <maverick> (The last surviving problems through all my linux installations) :S
[08:06] <Jucato> actually, since you are in konversation already, Settings -> COnfigure Notifications would get you there the fastest :)
[08:07] <madindustries> i think hes gone looking for a cd ;)
[08:07] <maverick> i just wanna talk ppl...am fed up of these problem i really don wanna switch back to windows
[08:07] <john> anybody can help me install canon printer to my kubuntu fesity?
[08:07] <Jucato> !printers | john
[08:07] <ubotu> john: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[08:07] <madindustries> john, yes
[08:08] <buggie> ok - I found the notification play tester and lo and behold, sound! Ok, it's all good.  Thanks boys
[08:08] <Jucato> :P
[08:08] <madindustries> is anyone helping <maverick>?
[08:08] <Jucato> nope... don't have S-video :/
[08:08] <madindustries> your welcome
[08:08] <madindustries> buggie
[08:08] <maverick> madindustries: lool...there's no help dude
[08:08] <Jucato> and never had any luck with Yahoo file transfers...
[08:09] <john> madindustries: im going to hav a hedache right now coz i dunno how to install canon pixma ip1000 in my kubuntu..i hav google many site but still no help can you help me?
[08:09] <maverick> file transfer protocol will never be supported it seems all the messenger apps devs are busy with icons and display pictures
[08:09] <maverick> :S
[08:09] <Jucato> maverick: you asked about that in #kopete ?
[08:09] <maverick> yeah
[08:09] <maverick> i did
[08:09] <madindustries> maverick, I have not tried either so i cannot help, i just wanted to draw attention cause you were ignored
[08:09] <maverick> not in the near future
[08:09] <Jucato> oh wait, I think I have experienced a successful file transfer in Yahoo, but from Kopete to Kopete only
[08:10] <madindustries> john, what have you tried
[08:10] <Jucato> Yahoo Messenger to Kopete didn't work. I can't remember if Kopete to YM worked
[08:10] <maverick> and gaim when they finally decided in the last summer 2006 google project to put the protocol thing on their list...the ignored it
[08:10] <_2> madindustries we weren't ignoring him.   just didn't have an answer
[08:10] <madindustries> sry
[08:10] <madindustries> misunderstanding
[08:10] <Jucato> maverick: I'm imagining it's not that easy to implement it...
[08:10] <maverick> somebody would step up now and tell me "well why don't you write your protocol" ....
[08:10] <john> kdesu open blahblah....then the file they try to link is unavailable or i recev 404 or service unavailable
[08:11] <nordiksito> madindustries:  you are gay?
[08:11] <maverick> so anybody managed to get his/her s-video to work ?
[08:11] <madindustries> wtf?
[08:11] <Jucato> nordiksito: none of that in here please
[08:11] <nordiksito> where is gay?
[08:12] <Jucato> !language | nordiksito
[08:12] <ubotu> nordiksito: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:12] <nordiksito> you
[08:12] <_2> john  your printer is not supported in cups-gimp-print  ?
[08:12] <nordiksito> suck my dick
[08:12] <madindustries> john, open system settings and click printers
[08:13] <madindustries> john?
[08:13] <john> b4 anything else does kubuntu feisty supports canon ip1000? ihav tried to add printer in ubuntu lately but only i saw was ip4000
[08:14] <madindustries> just a sec
[08:16] <_2> set
[08:16] <john> madindustries: i know how hard the dev guys working for the project but maybe i was too impatient to find the driver for canon..becoz i hav migrated to this kubuntu this day
[08:16] <_2> go
[08:16] <maverick> john: did you try http://josiahjared.wordpress.com/2006/11/30/canon-pixma-ip1000-drivers/ ?
[08:18] <john> ill check there now...how long will u still be this ch
[08:18] <maverick> not another min :d gotta go to my internship...nOW
[08:18] <maverick> bye all
[08:19] <maverick> don worry ppl here will help you should be easy
[08:19] <madindustries> nice maverick, i was just about to post that link
[08:20] <Jucato> yeah..... riiight.. )
[08:20] <Jucato> :)
[08:20] <john> madindustries: they want me to pay..is there any free?hehehe...im too far away cebu, philippines
[08:24] <maverick> john: any luck?
[08:24] <maverick> seems am going to have to be late
[08:24] <Jucato> O.o
[08:24] <maverick> yeah family issues
[08:24] <Jucato> ouich
[08:25] <john> not lucky they want me to pay any free?
[08:26] <madindustries> oh, sry that took so long
[08:26] <maverick> john: what ??
[08:26] <madindustries> im looking for a free solution right now
[08:26] <madindustries> i have been for the last 5 min
[08:26] <maverick> john: it's not money dude...the user who put the driver his account expired, that's all
[08:26] <john> madindustries: thnx very much man...got u a relief to my head
[08:26] <maverick> so the file isn't on the server anymore
[08:27] <john> ya bcoz it exceeds download limit
[08:28] <john> is the cd installer of this printer usable? well its winxp drivers anyway
[08:29] <maverick> john:
[08:29] <maverick> wget http://www.mafia.or.id/bjfilter/bjfilter-common-2.50-2.i386.rpm
[08:29] <maverick> $ wget http://www.mafia.or.id/bjfilter/bjfilter-pixmaip1000-2.50-2.i386.rpm
[08:29] <maverick> $ wget http://www.mafia.or.id/bjfilter/bjfilter-pixmaip1000-lprng-2.50-2.i386.rpm
[08:29] <madindustries> nope, sry
[08:29] <madindustries> xp
[08:29] <madindustries> http://www.turboprint.info/download.html
[08:29] <john> ok gonna try now
[08:30] <maverick> john: also you can follow this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-45609.html
[08:30] <john> thts what i recev lately 404 all the trhee of those files
[08:30] <maverick> john: sieze the chance dude...this amount of help doesn't always be around for all the time
[08:31] <john> ok
[08:31] <madindustries> 404?
[08:31] <madindustries> on all webpages?
[08:32] <john> yup the one divshare says service unavailable
[08:32] <madindustries> k, let me test the link I gave (it may take a few minutes) and if it works ill host it on another server
[08:33] <john> ok i'll wait
[08:33] <buggie> I'm back... another question regarding my newly installed kubuntu feisty on my toshiba A60 laptop.  I've installed the medibuntu repo and am trying to rip mp3's via k3b, but I keep getting a warning that I don't have mad libraries installed.  I've installed gstream0.10 and 0.8, as well as anything else with mad and mp3 but it's no bueno.  Any ideas?
[08:34] <Jucato> buggie: you need "lame" and no gstreamer stuff
[08:35] <Jucato> !ripping
[08:35] <ubotu> To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[08:35] <Jucato> buggie: see that link ^^^
[08:36] <maverick> john: http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/Software/Linux/2005/download.asp?ComponentID=369142&SourcePageID=312225#1
[08:36] <maverick> john: this one can't not be working...
[08:37] <maverick> john: pick the language and off you go
[08:37] <john> the .tar?
[08:37] <madindustries> nice find maverick
[08:37] <madindustries> the .tar needs to be installed
[08:38] <john> madindustries: now that i downloaded the file what is the first step again to install?
[08:39] <madindustries> just a sec
[08:39] <maverick> john: btw , there's a manual there you can read it
[08:39] <maverick> download it and read it
[08:39] <john> ok
[08:40] <maverick> bye
[08:42] <john> madindustries: still downloading...btw do u hav any idea where to find a mesenger that supports voice and video chat?i hav kopete video works but no voice....u know just like yahoo
[08:42] <madindustries> ill check
[08:42] <madindustries> also, with the .tar
[08:43] <madindustries> open terminal
[08:43] <madindustries> system>konsole
[08:44] <madindustries> type: sudo aptitude update
[08:45] <madindustries> once finished type: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[08:48] <john> madindustries: what will i use kdesu or sudo to install the deb
[08:50] <intelikey> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[08:51] <madindustries> john: what?
[08:51] <hangthedj_server> you use sudo in a shell and kdesu while in kde
[08:51] <intelikey> sudo dpkg -i <filename_here>.deb
[08:51] <madindustries> is the file .tar or .deb?
[08:51] <intelikey> you use sudo for shell commands  you use kdesu for kde apps when called as root    no matter where you call them
[08:52] <Jucato> er...
[08:52] <john> .tar
[08:52] <Jucato> sudo for CLI apps or utilities, kdesu for anything that requires X/graphical apps
[08:53] <intelikey> well i left room for using gksudo for gnome apps too  :)
[08:53] <john> madindustries: i dunno how to del with this ip1000linux.tar.gz....sorry very newbee...i got use to .exe
[08:53] <Jucato> or gkus
[08:53] <Jucato> er.. gksu
[08:54] <madindustries> just a sec (jucato, if you dont mind will you help john with the .tar file installation?)
[08:54] <intelikey> isn't that more for a shoot rell  ?
[08:54] <Jucato> installation of what?
[08:54] <intelikey> or root shell  :)
[08:54] <Jucato> if it's a driver for something I don't know...
[08:54] <madindustries> printer driver
[08:54] <madindustries> sry
[08:54] <Jucato> :)
[08:55] <madindustries> john, mine is downloading
[08:55] <madindustries> wifi is slow
[08:55] <Jucato> 2 things I'm never good at, hardware-related stuff and networking. despite what intelikey would like you to believe
[08:55] <GuHhH> please, i need some help... i can't boot my ubuntu distro. what can i do to solve the problem?
[08:55] <intelikey> :)
[08:55] <john> jucato: gudday help me how to deal with the downloaded file ip1000linux.tar.gz...i duno how to install in my kubuntu feisty
[08:55] <intelikey> but you are the networking expert here Jucato :)
[08:56] <madindustries> john: open system>konsole
[08:56] <john> yup
[08:56] <Jucato> intelikey: if "here" means "in your imagination", then probably yes. until that happens, then no.
[08:56] <madindustries> type: sudo aptitude update
[08:56] <intelikey> tar -xzf ip1000linux.tar.gz
[08:56] <PhinnFort> imagination is a good thing
[08:57] <madindustries> john: type: sudo aptitude update
[08:57] <intelikey> Jucato do you even remember what started that ?
[08:57] <john> ok
[08:57] <madindustries> hit enter
[08:57] <Jucato> intelikey: not at all. hahah :)
[08:58] <madindustries> john: once finished type: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[08:58] <john> jucato: this is a new installed kubuntu and i never updated it yet bcoz i want to install the driver printer first
[08:58] <Jucato> john: really sorry. when it comes to most hardware (except my video card), I panic when they don't work out of the box or with installed drivers...
[08:58] <Jucato> which is why I'm lucky/glad mine worked...
[08:59] <intelikey> well as i recall, this other guy that was good with networking was helping me with ssh and i confused the two nicks and kept asking you to help me with it when you then said you knew nothing about it...  i was like  what ???     and it kinda stuck with me.
[08:59] <john> hehehe i trashed xp for kubuntu feisty
[08:59] <intelikey> i think we may have been in #ubuntu back then Jucato
[08:59] <Jucato> intelikey: nope. never set foot in there for more than 15 seconds
[09:00] <intelikey> i said may have...
[09:00] <intelikey> i know i was a lot back then
[09:00] <Jucato> I'm just confirming that it wasn't :)
[09:00] <intelikey> k
[09:00] <intelikey> john did you run     tar -xzf ip1000linux.tar.gz
[09:01] <john> not yet ill try
[09:01] <madindustries> only after build-essentials though
[09:01] <intelikey> john and have you installed "build-essential"   you'll need that and kernel headers most likely
[09:02] <intelikey> madindustries no S
[09:02] <madindustries> sry
[09:02] <madindustries> mistake
[09:02] <madindustries> john: i walked you through build-essential install above
[09:03] <intelikey> john there is a page on that you might look at too
[09:03] <intelikey> !b-e
[09:03] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:03] <john> jucato: b4 anything else i'll update first my freshly installed kubuntu feisty
[09:04] <Jucato> hm...
[09:04] <Jucato> I guess no harm in doing that. what you think madindustries?
[09:04] <intelikey> we won't let you read,,,
[09:04] <hangthedj_server> Nero actually made their new linux version really nice.
[09:04] <john> jucato: what time in your country?
[09:04] <hangthedj_server> i'll stick with k3b though
[09:05] <Jucato> john: 3:05pm
[09:05] <john> where r u living im in cebu,philippines its 3:5
[09:05] <Jucato> O.o
[09:05] <Jucato> haha laguna, philippines
[09:05] <john> hahaha kabayan pinahirapan mo ako
[09:06] <madindustries> update? should be fine
[09:06] <Jucato> er. English only in here :P
[09:06] <john> o sorry...you filipino?
[09:06] <Jucato> there's #ubuntu-ph btw, but I doubt you'd get more help in there right now
[09:06] <Jucato> opo. kaso patakaran ng channel ang pagsasalita ng English (yes, but it's channel policy to speak in English)
[09:07] <john> i never tried there but if you hav more time to spend in this channel mybe i'll stick here you guys r great in tech works
[09:07] <madindustries> 00101101000101101101001110
[09:07] <madindustries> thats my lingo
[09:07] <madindustries> jk
[09:07] <john> whos jk?
[09:07] <madindustries> just kidding
[09:07] <intelikey>  00101101000101101101001110_2 = 11819854
[09:08] <Jucato> why the horse is there a _2 at the end of that/!?
[09:08] <madindustries> i was wondering the same
[09:09] <intelikey> base 2
[09:09] <intelikey> binary
[09:09] <intelikey>  _2
[09:09] <Jucato> john: #ubuntu-ph is the channel for the Philippine LoCo (Local Community). you can ask for support, but most support is done in #kubuntu and #ubuntu anyway...
[09:10] <madindustries> but its more fun here
 yup ur right..u hav any idea where to find the mesenger for kopete that supports voice and video chat?
[09:10] <Jucato> heh it was fun there in the past as well...
[09:10] <Jucato> aaah.. no :(
[09:10] <Jucato> what's with voice and video chat anyway! hehehe I'm so far behind
[09:11] <madindustries> oh, as far as the chat goes, looks like you will have to find that as another .tar
 just like yahoo
[09:11] <madindustries> john: did the printer install?
[09:11] <Jucato> voice chat not sure, but Kopete supports webcams
[09:11] <john> im still updating  the fresh kubuntu you hav more time here?
[09:11] <Jucato> john: btw, you can just use Tab to automatically complete nicks in here. like "mad" then press Tab
[09:12] <madindustries> of course
[09:12] <john> ah ok
[09:12] <intelikey> !tab
[09:12] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[09:12] <john> Jucato: check
[09:12] <Jucato> alright, really going to read now. Paalam! (that's goodbye in Filipino)
[09:12] <Jucato> john: uncheck
[09:12] <Jucato> :P
[09:13] <madindustries> paalam
[09:13] <intelikey> check mate
[09:14] <intelikey> :)
[09:14] <john> this space is great tooo many things to learn
[09:15] <intelikey> shalom is also used for good bye  but it means peace
[09:15] <john> btw guys can i install ow the printer even if its still updating?
[09:16] <intelikey> john not without build-essential  and you can't install that while it updates
[09:17] <john> try
[09:17] <intelikey> only one instance of dpkg can be running     that's a safty feature to keep you from really breaking the system.
[09:17] <intelikey> !dpkg
[09:17] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[09:17] <intelikey> !apt
[09:17] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[09:18] <hangthedj_server> does aptitude use apt or dpkg?
[09:18] <intelikey> everything uses dpkg
[09:19] <hangthedj_server> i like aptitude better than apt-get.
[09:19] <intelikey> if it has to do with .deb files   you can bet dpkg is the backend
[09:19] <hangthedj_server> k, thats what i thought.
[09:19] <intelikey> ummm hmmm
[09:20] <intelikey> dselect aptitude apt adept synaptic   all use dpkg
[09:20] <intelikey> oh and so does intelikey
[09:21] <intelikey> then desides not too
[09:23] <madindustries> intelikey: if john extracts the file he will end up with four .rpm files. Does he need to then type: "sudo aptitude install alien" instead of build essential?
[09:23] <intelikey> yeah
[09:24] <madindustries> because his file will not install as .tar (its not made for deb)
[09:25] <john> madindustries: im using kubuntu i need to install alien ithought that will be for ubuntu
[09:25] <intelikey> shame there wasn't a deb of the driver... but alian "should" work to convert it...   as much as i have used dpkg / apt    i have yet to try alian out
[09:26] <madindustries> john: alien is for .rpm files
[09:26] <john> then what will use build essential?
[09:26] <madindustries> nothing, it was mistake
[09:26] <intelikey> alian
[09:26] <intelikey> check the deps    i could be wrong
[09:27] <john> intelikey: alian? notalien
[09:27] <madindustries> alien
[09:27] <madindustries> john: open utilities>Ark
[09:28] <john> will i do it ow? its still downloading updates
[09:28] <madindustries> oh, im not sure, ask intelikey
[09:29] <intelikey> ark will be fine   but you can't install anything while apt is updateing
[09:29] <john> intelikey: will i do it now? still in the process of updating
[09:29] <madindustries> go ahead open ark but dont install anything
[09:29] <intelikey> ark is just another way to "untar" the archive
[09:29] <john> ok
[09:30] <john> now its open
[09:30] <madindustries> once inside ark, open the .tar file wherever you saved it
[09:31] <john> madindustries: extracted 4 files
[09:31] <john> madindustries: all rpm
[09:31] <madindustries> good job
[09:31] <intelikey> tov
[09:31] <madindustries> you may close ark now
[09:32] <john> closing
[09:32] <madindustries> (and any other programs you wish to close)
[09:32] <intelikey> update ?
[09:32] <madindustries> other than the update
[09:33] <GuHhH> i need some help, i can't load my ubuntu distro, even on recovery mode...
[09:33] <john> madindustries: ok
[09:33] <intelikey> GuHhH error messages ?
[09:33] <madindustries> so just tell me when the updates finished
[09:33] <GuHhH> intelikey: no error message... it just halts. :(
[09:34] <madindustries> that'll be all for now
[09:34] <GuHhH> intelikey: i mean, stop loading, doesnt halt
[09:34] <john> madindustries: 33%
[09:34] <madindustries> downloading or installing
[09:34] <intelikey> describe in detail GuHhH
[09:34] <john> downloading
[09:34] <GuHhH> intelikey: is there any way that i can run fsck.reiserfs from other distro?
[09:34] <madindustries> wow, dial-up or wifi?
[09:35] <intelikey> GuHhH sure  or from the live CD  even
[09:35] <john> globe broadband 354kbs
[09:35] <GuHhH> intelikey: it stop loading the system when loading drivers for my hard-drivers... but i used it before with no problem.
[09:35] <madindustries> oh, then it must be a large update ;)
[09:36] <john> madindustries: yup shall i wait then go back to you?
[09:36] <madindustries> what do you mean?
[09:36] <madindustries> wait?
[09:36] <intelikey> GuHhH did you let it set for "10 minutes" at that point to see if it was waiting for a network drive to show up ?
[09:36] <john> madindustries:
[09:37] <intelikey> GuHhH i know that sounds like a long wait   but that's how long the time out is   if it can'
[09:37] <john> madindustries: i mean if ur busy in some thing maybe ill get back to you later
[09:37] <madindustries> untill the update is done, do whatever you want besides installs
[09:37] <intelikey> t find your root fs
[09:37] <madindustries> oh
[09:37] <GuHhH> intelikey: no, i didnt... but it first stuck on dvd drivers, now on hard-drivers driver...
[09:37] <john> madindustries: for now we'll wait first until the update is finished, right?
[09:37] <SilentDis> hello
[09:38] <madindustries> well, if all goes well, i will be here the whole time (and yes, we wait for update)
[09:38] <GuHhH> intelikey: so i guess its a problem with file system os something...
[09:38] <GuHhH> intelikey: how can i access my partition as a root?
[09:38] <john> madindustries: would you mind if i ask you another concern?
[09:38] <intelikey> GuHhH those things are loaded from the "initramfs.img" file   it's a pre-system_root thing.
[09:38] <GuHhH> intelikey: uuid?
[09:38] <madindustries> go ahead, no problem
[09:39] <madindustries> john?
[09:39] <intelikey> GuHhH sorry   " accesss as a root "     you lost me there ?
[09:39] <john> madindustries: do you hav any idea where to find a mesenger that supports video and voice? i hav kopete it works well with video nut no voice
[09:39] <john> ut no voice
[09:39] <john> but n voice...sry for typing
[09:40] <SilentDis> anyone here have experience setting up an EVDO 'net connection that kppp can use?  i have all the scripts i'll need for this (a pppd script and a chat auth script), just not sure how to string it together to play nice in kppp (gotta do this for neophyte users)
[09:40] <madindustries> oh, that, i already looked in ubuntu database, im looking online now
[09:40] <GuHhH> intelikey: as a root in that file system (partition), cause i want to try fs check on there... i need to have r/w permissions...
[09:40] <madindustries> dont worry about the tying
[09:40] <john> madindustries: ya about the mesenger
[09:40] <guille> when is the next kubuntu comming?
[09:40] <madindustries> john: look above
[09:41] <john> madindustries: where?
[09:42] <madindustries> john: nvm, i already looked in ubuntu database, im looking online now
[09:42] <SilentDis> guille: KDE 4 looks like it'll make it's way into kubuntu for 8.04.  beta packs in 7.10
[09:42] <intelikey> GuHhH you "DO NOT" check a mounted fs.    if it is mounted it needs to be mounted ro = read only   and reboot when the check is complete.    if you mean that you can't run fsck on the device node without root access    use sudo
[09:42] <guille> i asked when!
[09:42] <madindustries> john: nvm= nevermind (by the way)
[09:43] <SilentDis> guille: ubuntu (and by extension kubuntu) has regular releases every 6 months.  the first number is the year, the 2nd number is the month.  so, 7.10 is the next release, 2007, October :)
[09:43] <john> madindustries: i thought that was another file
[09:43] <guille> ok then i'll wait untill then,
[09:43] <guille> i am tired of this version
[09:43] <madindustries> john: oh sry, nope
[09:43] <SilentDis> guille: i'm sorry to hear that.  if you have a specific problem, we're happy to try and help you though
[09:43] <intelikey> guille the release versioning system is    yeah.month   7.10 is next
[09:44] <john> madindustries: so the dev guys r still working this out...i hope they can mimic the yahoo or msn or trillian
[09:44] <guille> i have installed it several times, and java does not work, nor does my webcam,
[09:44] <SilentDis> guille: one thing at a time.  always best to take it step by step, so as not to muck things up :)  which do you wanna work on first, the webcam, or java setup?
[09:44] <guille> now last week i changed the grublist so xp was the default alternative, but after that ubuntu keeps changing itself to default, no matter if i choose xp all the time
[09:45] <guille> don't worry trying ti help me, im not giving this thing a chance
[09:45] <GuHhH> intelikey: oh yeah... my fault... lol. now i did it... thanks
[09:45] <john> intelikey: for how long they support feisty...dapper is LTS
[09:45] <guille> see you in october
[09:45] <madindustries> john: here is a program that is made just for that: http://download53.mediafire.com/mywmdhirxydg/1gvxzt47p9j/gyachi_1.0.5-1_cvs_i386.deb
[09:45] <SilentDis> guille: ok, we're up to 3 problems, as I said, i'm happy to try to help, but you gotta pick one so we can focus.  if you'd rather just rand, let me know though, and i'll go about business elsewhere :)
[09:45] <intelikey> john 1.5 yeahs
[09:45] <intelikey> john 1.5 years
[09:45] <guille> well onl one more question
[09:46] <guille> this one ir eallty need help with
[09:46] <guille> How do I uninstall?
[09:46] <SilentDis> !uninstall | guille
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uninstall - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:46] <intelikey> blank the partition
[09:46] <john> intelikey: do you think its nice to make ubuntu/kubuntu as commercial internet server?
[09:46] <guille> did that last time but the grub list keept coming up
[09:46] <GuHhH> intelikey: fsck.reiserfs --rebuild-tree (is it a good try?)
[09:46] <SilentDis> guille: thought there was a infoid about that... sorry.  you can just wipe out the partition using whatever you wish, and you'll need to use windows rescue to rebuild the MBR for it and it alone.
[09:47] <intelikey> john i think i would use debian stable.   but you can use ubuntu if you want
[09:47] <madindustries> john: did you get the link?
[09:47] <kdxx> how can i copy all the text from a web page and save to a file which i can then cut up and search from a command line?
[09:47] <guille> MBR is?
[09:47] <SilentDis> guille: master boot record.
[09:47] <guille> i weap clen this partition
[09:47] <intelikey> GuHhH i don't use rieser   not sure what that will do..  the man page might know
[09:47] <guille> and the using xp i find something calle dMBR to change the GRUB
[09:48] <SilentDis> guille: i won't be able to help you do that (it's a windows thing at that point, and not something i have much info on), you'll need to check out the microsoft kb articles, and/or ask microsoft techs for help with it.
[09:48] <GuHhH> intelikey: force fsck to rebuild filesystem from scratch
[09:48] <kdxx> guile put in the windows disk, boot in recovery mode run mbr
[09:48] <madindustries> kdxx: im not sure if this is possible, why command line?
[09:48] <john> madindustries: yes this deb
[09:48] <SilentDis> guille: or ask kdxx, he seems to know :)
[09:48] <intelikey> GuHhH eeek     probably loose some thing...    idk...
[09:48] <kdxx> mbrfix
[09:48] <guille> il better let it be
[09:48] <guille> but i am gona erase everything from the GRUB list but XP
[09:48] <guille> that might work right?
[09:49] <madindustries> intelikey: lol
[09:49] <john> madindustries: it wont run in kubuntu?
[09:49] <john> madindustries: what is lol
[09:49] <GuHhH> now i know why i should use separeted partitions for "/"
[09:49] <GuHhH> lol
[09:49] <madindustries> john: it will run and should work (lol= laugh out loud) but we cant inastall untill updates are finished
[09:50] <intelikey> guille you can install grub onto your windows fs.   and totally erase linux if you like.      'just a thought'
[09:50] <SilentDis> guille: sort of... if you wipe out your partition with where grub looks for the list, it will break grub entirely, and you'll basically end up with a brick.  if you want to totally wipe your Ubuntu install, and go back to just windows, you'll have to redo the MBR from within windows.
[09:50] <john> madindustries: ah ok....49% downloading
[09:51] <intelikey> SilentDis see intelikey      intelikey see SilentDis  :)
[09:51] <kdxx> madindustries: i want to get a list of nzb msgidlist form a website once every 30 days
[09:51] <GuHhH> intelikey: thanks, i will try somethings...
[09:51] <kdxx> if i can get just raw text i can cut it up
[09:51] <john> madindustries: i know how to install ubuntu desktop
[09:51] <kdxx> my problem is that wget isnt getting what i want
[09:51] <SilentDis> intelikey: sorry, i'm reading elsewhere, missed your comments, that works too :)
[09:52] <guille> well let.se what happes
[09:52] <guille> good byw
[09:52] <SilentDis> guille: take care :)
[09:53] <tron__> Help with mail server please
[09:53] <tron__> ive setup a mail server but my smtp is not working
[09:56] <intelikey> hasan
[09:56] <john> intelikey: does parental control included in gutsy gibbon?
[09:57] <intelikey> john i don't know.   i haven't made it past dapper yet
[09:57] <tron__> error is the nail server responded <test@tron>sender address rejected Domain not found Please check if you email address is correct and try again
[09:57] <john> intelikey: how long u been hosting this ch
[09:57] <intelikey> john i'm not even an op here....
[09:58] <john> intelikey: still u know more
[09:58] <intelikey> but i've been here sense the second release.  hoary hedgehog
[09:59] <intelikey> been using linux for     what... seven years now.
[09:59] <intelikey> maybe eight
[09:59] <intelikey> sense about the turn of the century    don't really know exactly.
[10:00] <kdxx> since
[10:00] <tron__> Anyone can help with mail as above
[10:00] <john> intelikey: well im new in linux thats y i hav t many questions to u guys i hope im not disturbing u
[10:00] <intelikey> kdxx makes sence to me
[10:01] <intelikey> john you are why we are here.
[10:01] <john> intelikey: hahaha u hit me
[10:01] <madindustries> john: the purpose of this room is to help people like you
[10:02] <intelikey> yes indeed.    when i ask a question in here   they seldom get an answer...
[10:02] <kraut> moin
[10:03] <john> intelikey: thanks man i really appreciate dudes like u...been with ms for decades thats y im used in .exe and etc to ms
[10:03] <intelikey> kraut
[10:03] <tron__> intelikey: Could you maybe help me
[10:03] <kraut> intelikey
[10:03] <intelikey> tron__ i sujest you make sure the address is legit
[10:04] <tron__> it is
[10:04] <GuHhH> intelikey: hey!
[10:04] <intelikey> tron__ or use a "real" email address.      maybe it's a dns issue then.    but i'm not a network admin.    in fact i'm just about network illiterate
[10:04] <intelikey> GuHhH
[10:05] <GuHhH> intelikey: i tried to boot again, and it says ends up on (initramfs)
[10:05] <GuHhH> intelikey: i tried to boot again, and it says that cant load some modules, i think, and ends up on (initramfs)
[10:05] <intelikey> GuHhH yeah leaves you in a "busybox shell"  ?
[10:05] <tron__> The incoming mail works great with fetchmail and the user gets the mail fine
[10:05] <GuHhH> intelikey: right.
[10:05] <kraut> intelikey
[10:06] <intelikey> GuHhH ok that can be fixed by rebuilding your "initramfs.img"
[10:06] <intelikey> kraut you network/mailserver sava ?
[10:07] <kraut> intelikey: wtf?
[10:07] <intelikey> are / is you
[10:07] <kraut> intelikey: turn off your redneck mode
[10:07] <kraut> wtf is a sava?
[10:07] <intelikey> understan
[10:07] <john> check
[10:07] <madindustries> savvy
[10:08] <madindustries> (thats 2 v's)
[10:08] <kraut> oO
[10:08] <GuHhH> !rebuild initramfs
[10:09] <intelikey> !initramfs
[10:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about initramfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:09] <kraut> GuHhH: update-initramfs
[10:09] <intelikey> hmmm there is a page on the wiki somewhere buh
[10:09] <intelikey> GuHhH
[10:09] <GuHhH> kraut: im on another system... :(
[10:09] <dotz> !input
[10:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about input - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:09] <dotz> !chinese
[10:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:09] <kraut> !wtf
[10:09] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:09] <kraut> pff
[10:10] <dotz> what do i need to input in chinese? i've installed skim and chinese fonts and followed guides
[10:10] <GuHhH> lol
[10:10] <dotz> but i just can't input in chinese zz
[10:11] <GuHhH> i will try something different
[10:11] <GuHhH> can someone tell me how do i access another partition with write permissions? something like uuid i think?!
[10:11] <intelikey> GuHhH you can mount the system in question      chroot into it and run that command
[10:11] <intelikey> GuHhH for rieserfs  you just mount it.
[10:12] <GuHhH> intelikey: okay, thanks... i will try :P
[10:12] <intelikey> you are askint about   uid=  as a mount option   but that's fs specific    M$ actually.
[10:13] <madindustries> intelikey: when you get a chance can you help me with something?
[10:13] <GuHhH> oh, i didnt know :D
[10:13] <intelikey> madindustries what it is ?
[10:13] <madindustries> intelikey: issue with .deb installation
[10:13] <intelikey> GuHhH `man mount` is a good read on that.
[10:13] <intelikey> madindustries i need more info than that...
[10:14] <madindustries> intelikey: try installing this http://download53.mediafire.com/zdwncdnng9mg/1gvxzt47p9j/gyachi_1.0.5-1_cvs_i386.deb
[10:14] <madindustries> intelikey: see if it works
[10:15] <madindustries> intelikey: i couldn't get it to install
[10:15] <intelikey> i don't think it will on a dapper system   and i don't have ff
[10:15] <GuHhH> intelikey: 1) mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/test 2) chroot /mnt/test 3) update-initramfs -u
[10:15] <GuHhH> intelikey: it will solve?
[10:15] <intelikey> GuHhH 0) sudo -i       yes
[10:16] <GuHhH> intelikey: thanks! i will try to boot there now... :)
[10:16] <madindustries> intelikey: it will work on dapper (theoretically) Do you need ff to download?
[10:16] <intelikey> not sure about the  -u switch in the update-initramfs command
[10:16] <intelikey> madindustries no but i expect it to depend on ff
[10:17] <madindustries> intelikey: my mistake ff=feisty not firefox (that was dumb)
[10:17] <intelikey> madindustries ok.   let's work on your box,    if you do   dpkg -i gyachi_1.0.5-1_cvs_i386.deb    in the dir it's in what is the "first" error  ?
[10:18] <madindustries> *madindustries hits self on head
[10:19] <madindustries> just a sec
[10:21] <madindustries> just dependancies
[10:21] <madindustries> need to find software
[10:21] <intelikey> see if you can apt-get the deps then
[10:22] <madindustries> doesnt work
[10:23] <madindustries> cant find
[10:23] <intelikey> package name ?
[10:23] <madindustries> #1 is libgtkhtml2-0
[10:23] <madindustries> libmcrypt4
[10:23] <intelikey> !find libgtkhtml
[10:24] <ubotu> Found: libgtkhtml2-0, libgtkhtml2-dev, libgtkhtml3.14-19, libgtkhtml3.14-dbg, libgtkhtml3.14-dev (and 4 others)
[10:24] <intelikey> !find libmcrypt4
[10:24] <ubotu> Found: libmcrypt4
[10:24] <intelikey> madindustries what version of *buntu you running ?
[10:24] <intelikey> !version
[10:24] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[10:24] <madindustries> imagemagick
[10:25] <intelikey> !find imagemagick
[10:25] <ubotu> Found: graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat, imagemagick
[10:25] <intelikey> they are all in fiesty
[10:25] <madindustries> i am using fiesty
[10:26] <intelikey> madindustries are your repos in sources.list all main universe multiverse  ???
[10:27] <madindustries> yes, i have universe and multiverse enabled
[10:27] <intelikey> for standard  update  and  security ???
[10:27] <madindustries> ?
[10:28] <intelikey> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main universe multiverse
[10:28] <intelikey> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main universe multiverse
[10:28] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main universe multiverse
[10:28] <intelikey> #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main universe multiverse
[10:28] <intelikey> there's my sources.list file....
[10:28] <GuHhH> intelikey: :(
[10:28] <madindustries> k, just a sec
[10:28] <intelikey> and no i don't use restricted.
[10:28] <intelikey> and that is dapper
[10:28] <intelikey> same for fiesty just change the name
[10:28] <GuHhH> i noticed that my /proc is empty... lol. is there anyway to solve this?
[10:29] <GuHhH> besides a total reinstall?
[10:29] <intelikey> GuHhH that's in the "chroot" environment ?
[10:29] <GuHhH> intelikey: yes, is it normal then?
[10:29] <intelikey> GuHhH yes
[10:29] <GuHhH> lol... thank god :D
[10:30] <intelikey> GuHhH proc is the mountpoint where the system mounts your ram.
[10:30] <intelikey> GuHhH it is mounted if you look in the host system and not the chrooted one.
[10:31] <intelikey> but as to your origenal Q  yes you can    sudo mount none /proc -t proc -o bind       not sure you need the   -o bind
[10:31] <GuHhH> why i have thise files: initrd.img initrd.img.old on my root directory?
[10:32] <intelikey> they are symbolic links.
[10:32] <intelikey> use   ls -l   to see where they point
[10:32] <GuHhH> can i remove with then?
[10:32] <intelikey> you can   but apt may cry
[10:33] <intelikey> and you should make sure that they are not used in the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:33] <GuHhH> i see...
[10:33] <GuHhH> i dont know what happened with my system, its crazy.
[10:33] <intelikey> before you remove them that is  ^
[10:34] <intelikey> crazy how ?
[10:34] <intelikey> crazy like a fox ?\
[10:35] <GuHhH> i just cant load it anymore, from a time to another...
[10:35] <GuHhH> even with older kernel (system original)
[10:36] <intelikey> fstab using UUID   blkid's   or device node addressing ?
[10:36] <intelikey> grep ' / ' /etc/fstab
[10:36] <intelikey> to find out
[10:37] <GuHhH> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic root=UUID=43ba880c-11c5-4360-a2$
[10:37] <GuHhH> is it the problem? never saw something like it... lol
[10:37] <intelikey> assuming that's internal hd  i'd set it to the device node and try it.
[10:38] <intelikey> you can use    blkid     and see if they are the same.
[10:39] <madindustries> john are you still there?
[10:39] <intelikey> GuHhH and i can see that that came from the menu.lst file   do check  fstab  also
[10:39] <GuHhH> intelikey: sorry, i dont speak english very well... so i couldn't understand you... what you mean "set it to the device node"?
[10:39] <mecannotread> does enybody knows chatchannel kubuntu for indonesia
[10:40] <madindustries> intelikey thanks for the source list, it worked
[10:40] <GuHhH> intelikey: UUID=43ba880c-11c5-4360-a238-d56efb322c45 /               reiserfs notail          0       1 (from fstab)
[10:40] <intelikey> GuHhH device node addressing   /dev/hda1     or   /dev/sda1     those are device nodes
[10:40] <madindustries> just a sec mecannotread
[10:40] <intelikey> GuHhH ok they don't match.
[10:41] <GuHhH> oh, okay, i guessed you mean that :D
[10:41] <intelikey> UUID=43ba880c-11c5-4360-a238-d56efb322c45 != UUID=43ba880c-11c5-4360-a2
[10:41] <GuHhH> but not sure :)
[10:41] <john> madindustries: yes waiting for the updates to finish downloading...96%
[10:41] <intelikey> di you truncate the first post
[10:41] <intelikey> ?
[10:41] <intelikey> did you ?
[10:41] <hasan> hello..everybody...
[10:41] <madindustries> john ok thanks
[10:41] <hasan> how i can ad another irc here
[10:41] <mecannotread> madindustries, ok
[10:41] <john> madindustries: what time you go off
[10:41] <hasan> like java irc
[10:41] <GuHhH> intelikey: so i can simply solve this making the grub point to a device node? or isnt it that simple?
[10:42] <intelikey> GuHhH could be.
[10:42] <madindustries> mecannotread i think it is #id-ubuntu
[10:43] <madindustries> john i go whenever i get bored i guess
[10:43] <intelikey> GuHhH  you have the root fs mounted so you can see the device node address by issuing the     mount    command in the host system.
[10:43] <john> madindustries: hope you stick for awhile to help me install the printer
[10:43] <madindustries> i will john
[10:44] <john> tnx bro
[10:44] <madindustries> ;)
[10:44] <mecannotread> madindustries, , thanx you....
[10:44] <intelikey> GuHhH note: grub will update according to your     fstab   file so if you change it in the menu.lst also change it in the fstab
[10:44] <madindustries> no problem mecannotread
[10:44] <GuHhH> intelikey: np... i know whats the device... i already made the edit... so wish me luck... lol
[10:45] <GuHhH> intelikey: the same way? changing uuid to dev node?
[10:45] <intelikey> yes
[10:46] <jussi01> Hei, does anyone know some software that i can use to edit pdf's?
[10:47] <intelikey> ok   good luck to your pinguin    GuHhH
[10:47] <intelikey> !pdf
[10:47] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf, evince and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[10:47] <madindustries> john you did download that last link i gave you right? (the gyachi thing)
[10:47] <GuHhH> intelikey: thank you very much... now it will work, i feel it. lol
[10:47] <harmental> just wanted to share this with you guys.....i'm proud to announce that i have completely removed my "Windows safenet"....i couldnt be happier with my upgraded disk space!
[10:47] <john> madindustries: ya gotit in my home folder
[10:47] <jussi01> intelikey: I want to edit, not read only...
[10:47] <intelikey> GuHhH you did rebuild the initramfs ?
[10:48] <jussi01> harmental: nice!!
[10:48] <madindustries> john: ok good, cause i just installed it and it appears to have full yahoo mesenger video and ausio support
[10:48] <GuHhH> intelikey: yes. but didnt helped at all
[10:48] <intelikey> jussi01 i didn't write the infonode.   just a stab in the dark that it might help you
[10:48] <jussi01> lol
[10:48] <madindustries> john: audio*
[10:48] <intelikey> GuHhH it reads fs tab too
[10:48] <intelikey> so i sujest you do that one more time
[10:48] <john> madindustries: what audio
[10:49] <GuHhH> intelikey: okay, just did... :D thanks
[10:49] <intelikey> np
[10:49] <john> madindustries: you mean voice chat
[10:49] <harmental> jussi01: i dont use windows really since i switched over a year ago....but i liked the comfy feeling of having a windows partition....thats no longer true! i wanted my 15GB back....
[10:49] <madindustries> john: yea
[10:50] <john> madindustries: can we try after we install everthing in my pc?
[10:50] <madindustries> john: try messaging you mean? (I dont use yahoo messenger and I dont have a webcam on hand)
[10:51] <intelikey> harmental change the partition type to linux  and format it ext3   mount it on /home or some place you want it...
[10:51] <madindustries> john: I would if i could?
[10:51] <madindustries> john: could!*
[10:51] <john> madindustries: ah ok me too no webcam only headset
[10:51] <harmental> intelikey: done that....thx
[10:52] <john> madindustries: status installing
[10:52] <madindustries> john: finally
[10:52] <madindustries> this is good
[10:52] <intelikey> lets hope dpkg doesn't crash on him....
[10:53] <madindustries> intelikey: the software finally worked (thnx for the source list)
[10:53] <intelikey> madindustries welcome
[10:54] <se7en^Of^9> if i have 2 computer do i have to upgrade both or is there a way to download the upgrades only once
[10:55] <intelikey> se7en^Of^9 you can copy the package form box1 /var/cache/apt/archives to box2 same dir
[10:55] <se7en^Of^9> that sounds good intelikey
[10:55] <intelikey> se7en^Of^9 ssh/scp is an easy transfer
[10:56] <se7en^Of^9> jo i am at it thanks intelikey
[10:56] <intelikey> you a trek-y ?
[10:56] <intelikey> or jsut like the name ?
[10:56] <se7en^Of^9> :) @ intelikey
[10:57] <intelikey> :)
[10:57] <intelikey> i'll borg off now...
[10:57] <madindustries> aww
[11:01] <intelikey> anyone know how to get bx to read from ~/.BithcX/BitchX.sav  ???   or some place i can put that to make it default ?
[11:03] <madindustries> bx as in the irc client?
[11:03] <intelikey> yes
[11:04] <madindustries> sry, i dont have bx, wher to get it?
[11:04] <kaminix> When starting Opera my systray icons line up in one line instead of two as they usually do, why?
[11:05] <madindustries> kaminix does the k bar resize?
[11:05] <intelikey> madindustries repos
[11:06] <kaminix> madindustries: k bar? You mean the "start menu" bar? No, it's the same size.
[11:06] <kaminix> Not that I notice anyway.a
[11:06] <madindustries> kaminix I am not familiar with this issue, sry
[11:07] <madindustries> kaminix ill look into it (it may take a little while)
[11:07] <intelikey> madindustries i dont have it installed either...   just using the binary for it   heh
[11:07] <kaminix> Thanks. :)
[11:08] <intelikey> i figure if it's not installed it can't be removed...  heh
[11:08] <madindustries> intelikey oh so what does it do for you if bitchx.sav is default?
[11:08] <madindustries> heh
[11:09] <intelikey> madindustries it doesn't read it.  but i'm writing a config for it in /etc  maybe i can get it to read from there
[11:09] <madindustries> intelikey good luck
[11:10] <intelikey> bah.  didn't work.
[11:11] <madindustries> intelikey too bad
[11:12] <madindustries> kaminix does opera have its own "start menu" icon?
[11:12] <john> madindustries: guys i have to reboot now be back in a few seconds
[11:12] <madindustries> thats ok john
[11:12] <intelikey> nope.   maybe with static address.
[11:13] <intelikey> if i can remember where my home is ...
[11:13] <madindustries> intelikey why not full install
[11:13] <intelikey> disk space
[11:14] <intelikey> hd is only 4 g
[11:14] <vbhide> hi there.......... does anyone know how i can copy text from kpdf and paste somewhere else?
[11:14] <vbhide> kpdf treats he doc as an image
[11:14] <emilsedgh> vbhide: there is a text selection tool
[11:14] <madindustries> intelikey wow, that  explains dapper (mine is only 20)
[11:15] <intelikey> madindustries no being on dialup explains not upgrading every six months    as soon as one upgrade finished i would have to start another
[11:15] <vbhide> thankyou!
[11:15] <madindustries> lol
[11:15] <madindustries> intelikey haha
[11:16] <intelikey> the disk space is just an excues not to install much....
[11:16] <madindustries> intelikey i feel bad for you
[11:16] <intelikey> don't.   nothing here that trubbles me.
[11:17] <kaminix> madindustries: Yes, it does.
[11:17] <madindustries> intelikey thats good
[11:17] <john> madindustries: i'm back and where are we now?
[11:17] <madindustries> kaminix is that whats causing things to shift?
[11:18] <madindustries> john just a sec ( i need to get back to where we left off)
[11:18] <john> ok
[11:18] <john> madindustries: the printer  i think] 
[11:19] <intelikey> have a p1 mmx 100mhz  with 64m ram and 600m hd that i installed ubuntu + kde on    and this box with slightly higher stats  with ubuntu + blackbox     but i don't use the gui in either very often.   i can watch vidios in vlc with svgalibs in the console    view pictures the same way    i dont' know why i even have xorg ....   but it's pretty light, i keep it around.
[11:21] <madindustries> john open konsole (system) and type sudo aptitude update
[11:21] <kaminix> madindustries: I start Opera through the K-Menu, then it gets it's own Systray icon (always running in the background) and when the systray icon shows up the now-two-lined systray icons become just one line.
[11:22] <intelikey> i have about 14 hours of music in .ogg format  about 100 maps in .tiff format   a small website    and the system installed on this 4g hd and have 2g free to play with...
[11:22] <john> then
[11:22] <intelikey> so don't "feel sorry for me"   :)
[11:23] <madindustries> kaminix I have looked around and cant seem to find anything sry (try asking around maybe someone here uses opera) If i do find anything you will be the first to know
[11:23] <john> madindustries: concerns:
[11:23] <john> W: GPG error: http://ph.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[11:23] <john> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[11:23] <madindustries> kaminix see if you can somehow disable the ican showing up
[11:23] <madindustries> john just a sec
[11:24] <kaminix> Yeah, that's one way. thanks madindustries
[11:24] <john> madindustries: np
[11:24] <Jucato> W = Warning, meaning the process finished correctly but just warned you possible problems
[11:24] <intelikey> john that is only a warning.  didn't fail.
[11:24] <john> madindustries: ok
[11:24] <john> madindustries: whats next
[11:24] <madindustries> kaminix you can also resize the bar dividers
[11:25] <madindustries> hey jucato! your back
[11:25] <intelikey> john i understand being concerned about not verifing the authenticity of the packages.  though.
[11:25] <Jucato> no, my front
[11:25] <intelikey> and you missed my rant Jucato
[11:25] <Jucato> john: try running sudo aptitude update again
[11:25] <Jucato> intelikey: all the better :)
[11:25] <madindustries> thnx intelikey (i was finishing up with kaminix)
[11:26] <john> ok finis
[11:26] <intelikey> and it was a good one...     sort of...
[11:26] <Jucato> john: received the warnings again?
[11:26] <madindustries> ok john now type: sudo aptitude install alien
[11:26] <intelikey> well it was short Jucato   that makes it a good one.    :)
[11:27] <madindustries> which does?
[11:27] <Jucato> aptitude install by default always installs recommends too
[11:27] <Jucato> -R stops it from doing that
[11:27] <john> madindustries: done
[11:28] <Jucato> darn I'm sleepy again..
[11:28] <madindustries> john any errors?
[11:28] <john> madindustries: nope
[11:28] <intelikey> Jucato you don't happen to know how to get bx to readin the saved formats when it loads do you ?
[11:29] <Jucato> intelikey: no idea. I don't bitch
[11:29] <Jucato> er... bitchx
[11:29] <madindustries> john open the folder that you extracted the printer drivers to
[11:29] <john> done
[11:29] <john> madindustries: done
[11:30] <madindustries> john by the way when you installed alien did you hit "y" then enter?
[11:30] <john> madindustries: nope but says done
[11:31] <john> madindustries: wanna remove then install again?
[11:31] <madindustries> john what does it say before done?
[11:31] <john> madindustries: ya done
[11:31] <madindustries> john ok you should be fine
[11:32] <crazy_bus> can anyone help me install in edgy, the nice hplip gui which is in the default feisty
[11:33] <john> madindustries: ok next
[11:33] <madindustries> just a sec john im working out an issue of my own
[11:34] <madindustries> intelikey ientered sudo alien -i '/home/madindustries/ip/iP1000/bjfilter-common-2.50-2.i386.rpm   and it hangs
[11:35] <madindustries> intelikey am i missing something?
[11:38] <madindustries> john the drivers are not installing for me so i am waiting for intelikey (he knows more) in the meantime do you mind if we install the other program gyachi?
[11:38] <john> madindustries: ya sure
[11:38] <ubuntu> /nick flaccid
[11:38] <ubuntu> oops
[11:39] <john> madindustries: all are .tar files
[11:39] <madindustries> john ok thankx
[11:39] <john> madindustries: .tar.gz
[11:39] <madindustries> john the original downloaded file was a .deb right?
[11:40] <john> madindustries: ya
[11:40] <madindustries> john for this we will just use the original file
[11:41] <john> madindustries: ok
[11:41] <madindustries> type: sudo apt-get install
[11:41] <madindustries> then drag the file from the folder to the konsole
[11:42] <madindustries> (and paste)
[11:42] <john> madindustries: the files says:::gyachi_1.0.5-1_cvs_i386.deb
[11:43] <madindustries> john: thats correct
[11:43] <tim_> its not really a kubuntu issue, but my AMD athlon 1.7ghz cpu missreports in bios POST as a 1.1 ghz. but only sometimes, anyone know why this kind of thing happens
[11:44] <madindustries> tim it could be that the computer is currently running at 1.1 instead of 1.7 although its potential may be higher
[11:44] <john> madindustries: whats next
[11:44] <madindustries> tim have you made any attempts at overclocking?
[11:45] <flaccid> anyone know what is responsible for the automount options hald does with /media ... i want to make it so that exec is allowed
[11:45] <tim_> none, and its intermittant, which is unusual for a silicon bug.
[11:45] <madindustries> john hit enter
[11:45] <madindustries> flaccid you will have to ask intelikey when he returns
[11:45] <flaccid> whys that
[11:46] <john> madindustries: hit enter it opens with the ark
[11:46] <madindustries> flaccid cause he knows alot more than i do regarding the ubuntu filesystem
[11:46] <flaccid> madindustries: there is 334 people here
[11:46] <_2> well i have it loading    but for some reason not everything worked.
[11:47] <madindustries> flaccid: none of which are saying much suprisingly
[11:47] <flaccid> madindustries: thats normal
[11:47] <madindustries> john it opens ark?
[11:47] <john> madindustries: open it with terminal?
[11:48] <madindustries> john: yes
[11:49] <john> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[11:49] <john>   Major opcode:  144
[11:49] <flaccid> !baddevice > john
[11:49] <john>   Minor opcode:  3
[11:49] <john>   Resource id:  0x0
[11:49] <john> Failed to open device
[11:49] <flaccid> !pastebin > john
[11:49] <john> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[11:49] <john>   Major opcode:  144
[11:49] <john>   Minor opcode:  3
[11:49] <john>   Resource id:  0x0
[11:49] <john> Failed to open device
[11:49] <john> kdecore (KProcess): WARNING: _attachPty() 11
[11:49] <madindustries> john: in konsole/terminal type: sudo apt-get install (then drag the .deb file from the folder to the terminal and click paste)
[11:50] <madindustries> hit enter
[11:51] <john> madindustries: i got invalid operation
[11:51] <madindustries> john ok, just a minute
[11:52] <flaccid> i don't think you can install a .deb via apt-get
[11:52] <flaccid> don't you want sudo apt-get install package.deb ?
[11:52] <flaccid> err sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[11:52] <emilsedgh> that should be sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:53] <flaccid> yep
[11:53] <madindustries> flaccid thanks, your right i accidentally skipped that step (apt-get for dependancies)
[11:54] <madindustries> john type: sudo dpkg -i (then drag and drop/paste)
[11:54] <john> madindustries: ok
[11:55] <john> madindustries:
[11:55] <john> john@john-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg -i /home/john/gyachi_1.0.5-1_cvs_i386.deb
[11:55] <john> (Reading database ... 95977 files and directories currently installed.)
[11:55] <john> Preparing to replace gyachi 1.0.5-1 (using .../gyachi_1.0.5-1_cvs_i386.deb) ...
[11:55] <john> Unpacking replacement gyachi ...
[11:55] <flaccid> john: please use pastebin
[11:55] <john> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gyachi:
[11:55] <john>  gyachi depends on libgtkhtml2-0 (>= 2.11.0+svn20061107); however:
[11:56] <john>   Package libgtkhtml2-0 is not installed.
[11:56] <john>  gyachi depends on libltdl3 (>= 1.5.2-2); however:
[11:56] <john>   Package libltdl3 is not installed.
[11:56] <john>  gyachi depends on libmcrypt4; however:
[11:56] <john>   Package libmcrypt4 is not installed.
[11:56] <john>  gyachi depends on imagemagick; however:
[11:56] <flaccid> john: download the dependencies and install via dpkg if they are not in repos
[11:56] <john>   Package imagemagick is not installed.
[11:56] <john> dpkg: error processing gyachi (--install):
[11:56] <john>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[11:56] <john> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:56] <john>  gyachi
[11:56] <john> madindustries: sry how do i use it
[11:56] <madindustries> john it appears that you may be missing universe and multiverse files
[11:56] <madindustries> repositories
[11:56] <flaccid> !repos | john
[11:56] <ubotu> john: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:57] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[11:57] <madindustries> john sytem>adept manager
[11:57] <madindustries> john: or system>synaptic manager
[11:57] <john> madindustries: ok
[11:58] <madindustries> john is it open?
[11:59] <john> madindustries: ya what will i find
[11:59] <contrast83> I made a really dumb mistake - I deleted the desktop shortcuts to all my devices because they wouldn't go away (I unchecked Show Device Icons and nothing was mounted in the respective folders) and I'm suspecting this is why discs aren't automounting when I put them in now. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
[11:59] <flaccid> goto manage repos
[11:59] <madindustries> john adept>manage repositories
[11:59] <madindustries> john at top
[12:00] <john> madindustries: opened
[12:01] <GuHhH> hi
[12:01] <szymek_> hello
[12:01] <madindustries> john are all 5 boxes checked
[12:01] <shinobi> contrast83 maybe in the configure desktop kontrol panel- behavior- device icon you can check the relevant types.
[12:01] <GuHhH> im having trouble booting my linux... i end up in busybox... can anyone help?
[12:01] <john> madindustries: 4 boxes except the source code
[12:01] <madindustries> ok, thats fine
[12:01] <kogler> hi all I'm running ubuntu Feisty with kde-core installed.
[12:02] <madindustries> john select the third-party tab
[12:02] <john> madindustries: source code from the philppines unchecked
[12:02] <contrast83> shinobi: Thanks, but that's not quite it. They aren't mounting at all, it's not just that the shortcuts aren't showing up.
[12:02] <kogler> I'm having some issues regarding the tty consoles as well as screen glitching upon logout.
[12:02] <kogler> The tty consoles kinda work... but the text is enormous, and I have attempted to change it but it made no difference
[12:02] <john> madindustries: third party no entries
[12:03] <madindustries> select add
[12:03] <shinobi> contrast83 okay, are you getting dmesg results when connecting? and/or lsusb outputs?
[12:03] <flaccid> contrast83: i've had that before myself. try #kde . i fixed it by putting entries for them in fstab for /media/ but you should not need to do that as hald does it for you
[12:03] <john> madindustries: what is apt line
[12:03] <madindustries> john enter: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ fiesty main universe multiverse
[12:03] <shinobi> flaccid contrast83, no fstab entries required, for sure.
[12:04] <contrast83> flaccid: Already asked in there, but thanks. :-)
[12:04] <flaccid> yeah thats happened on several installs for me
[12:04] <john> madindustries: done still blank
[12:05] <madindustries> john still blank?
[12:05] <madindustries> john: under software sources?
[12:05] <contrast83> shinobi: How would I check that? (I'm mainly working with a DVD, but I can try plugging my digital camera if it matters.)
[12:05] <shinobi> contrast83 this might help http://floatingsun.net/articles/howtos/howto-usb-automount.html
[12:05] <intelikey> ok got it all worked out.  formats and all  :)
[12:06] <intelikey> not bad for an app that isn't even installed
[12:06] <john> madindustries: u mean kubuntu software with the 4 boxes checked?
[12:06] <madindustries> third-party software
[12:06] <shinobi> contrast83 oh, okay, i see...
[12:07] <john> madindustries: sry ya software sources still blank..do i have to run as root?
[12:07] <shinobi> contrast83 actually, for your cdrom drive, there is/should be a fstab entry
[12:07] <kogler> Erm. has anyone else had this problem?
[12:07] <shinobi> contrast83 assuming it's an internal drive
[12:08] <contrast83> hrmm... ok, pay me no mind...
[12:08] <madindustries> john nvm try again and enter: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ fiesty main universe multiverse
[12:09] <madindustries> (i forgot the "deb")
[12:09] <contrast83> just tried putting the disc in the other drive and the dialog came up as normal...
[12:09] <john> madindustries: there it goes
[12:09] <shinobi> contrast83 if you have two drives then check that both have fstab listings
[12:09] <contrast83> and now the originally problematic drive gives the same result... so umm... yeah, thanks anyway, guys
[12:10] <madindustries> john: good, I have three more links, do the same with these
[12:10] <madindustries> john enter: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ fiesty-updates main universe multiverse
[12:11] <shinobi> kogler you can chnge the resolution of tty1-6
[12:11] <contrast83> apparently kio_media just wanted to make me look dumb.
[12:11] <john> madindustries: done
[12:12] <madindustries> john enter: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ fiesty-security main universe multiverse
[12:12] <shinobi> kogler one way is by editing the /boot/grub/menu.lst line
[12:12] <john> madindustries: done
[12:12] <intelikey> madindustries you and he may both want to add  "restricted"  to each of those lines   i said eariler  "i don't use the (restricted) repos but you may want them"
[12:12] <intelikey> just a thought.
[12:12] <madindustries> intelikey what do they offer?
[12:12] <madindustries> thanks for the thought
[12:13] <shinobi> kogler http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=192675
[12:13] <intelikey> the propritary drivers for nvidia and ati
[12:13] <kogler> shinobi I already tried that, I don't think that's the problem.
[12:13] <flaccid> !info restricted-manager
[12:13] <ubotu> restricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers. In component main, is optional. Version 0.20 (feisty), package size 32 kB, installed size 300 kB
[12:13] <madindustries> john enter: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ fiesty-backports main universe multiverse
[12:13] <intelikey> binary only things.  because they are not open-source
[12:13] <john> madindustries: done
[12:14] <madindustries> thanks intelikey
[12:14] <intelikey> np
[12:14] <flaccid> BLOB
[12:14] <intelikey> that's agent_blob to you flaccid
[12:14] <intelikey> :)
[12:15] <madindustries> john back to terminal: type: sudo dpkg -1 (then drag and drop/paste)
[12:15] <john> madindustries: ok
[12:15] <flaccid> lol
[12:15] <intelikey> :)
[12:15] <intelikey> flaccid would you believe i'm almost 50...
[12:16] <john> madindustries: adept manager is still open
[12:16] <intelikey> so if i say things some time that don't sound quite right    just use that excuse on them.
[12:16] <madindustries> oh your right
[12:16] <madindustries> john close adept
[12:17] <john> madindustries: the information about software is out of date....close?
[12:17] <madindustries> john hit reload when it asks
[12:18] <madindustries> john sry so many mistakes (im getting tired i guess)
[12:18] <john> madindustries: thats ok now i cannot update
[12:19] <madindustries> john cant update? did it say that?
[12:19] <intelikey> john yes you can just close it and run the   sudo apt-get update    or you can use the apply and update feature of the adept manager   either way to the same end
[12:19] <john> madindustries: ok
[12:20] <madindustries> john that was intelikey who answered (hes smarter)
[12:20] <intelikey> lol
[12:20] <intelikey> i doubt
[12:20] <madindustries> or at least more experienced
[12:20] <intelikey> never mistake experance for inteligents
[12:21] <madindustries> true
[12:21] <madindustries> anyway john back to terminal: type: sudo dpkg -1 (then drag and drop/paste)
[12:21] <john> or what if you remote my desktop to see what is wrong  with this...its fine to connect me
[12:21] <intelikey> the one works only on things you know   the other only on things you don't know.
[12:22] <madindustries> john good idea but i have never remote desktop with kubuntu before
[12:23] <john> intelikey: oh i see its bcoz e: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/fesity is not known on line 37 in source apt
[12:23] <john> madindustries: source list
[12:24] <intelikey> john he told you he forgot the  deb to begin that line...
[12:24] <intelikey> i think...
[12:24] <john> madindustries: ok ill edit it
[12:25] <intelikey> or possably a missing space   that plays tricks too
[12:25] <madindustries> fiesty spelled wrong
[12:25] <john> intelikey: how can i edit the apt line i cannot open the adept manager
[12:25] <intelikey> madindustries see    smart boy
[12:25] <intelikey> :)
[12:26] <john> intelikey: ur right two heads are better than one
[12:26] <intelikey> john   kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:27] <intelikey> actually i should have noticed that.   i'm tired.   but only 33 minutes to go
[12:28] <madindustries> so is it worked out now?
[12:28] <madindustries> john does everything work now?
[12:29] <john> madindustries: hahaha got it i hav edited thru kate.....yahooo
[12:29] <john> madindustries: ya its working
[12:29] <john> madindustries: updaaaating
[12:30] <madindustries> k
[12:30] <john> madindustries: ok were back whats next
[12:30] <madindustries> anyway john back to terminal: type: sudo dpkg -1 (then drag and drop/paste)
[12:31] <intelikey> !adeptctashfix | just in case, cause one never knows; does one...
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptctashfix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <john> madindustries: what is that -1 or -i
[12:31] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | just in case, cause one never knows; does one...
[12:31] <ubotu> just in case, cause one never knows; does one...: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:31] <madindustries> -i
[12:32] <madindustries> eye
[12:32] <madindustries> aye
[12:32] <intelikey> john i wondered about that too   he typed a one which would error out on you...
[12:33] <madindustries> see intelikey is smart afterall
[12:33] <john> madindustries: it has dependencies which one will be first
[12:34] <madindustries> sudo apt-get install libgtkhtml2-0
[12:34] <intelikey> madindustries you have the same printer?   or did you install that just to help him ?      curious...
[12:35] <madindustries> just to help
[12:35] <intelikey> see
[12:35] <madindustries> which by the way did not install
[12:35] <intelikey> and he wont even pay you for the 5 hours of tech support...
[12:36] <intelikey> :)
[12:36] <Xunil> hey guys
[12:36] <madindustries> we have been waiting for you because it wont install
[12:36] <intelikey> Xunil
[12:36] <madindustries> lol
[12:37] <Xunil> what? got no better nickname
[12:37] <madindustries> john sudo apt-get -f install
[12:37] <intelikey> no no.   only if we can fix in 20 minutes or less.  cause i'm about to went
[12:37] <john> madindustries: ok
[12:37] <flaccid> haha
[12:38] <madindustries> intelikey sudo alien -i bjfilter-common-2.50-2.i386.rpm
[12:38] <madindustries> does not work
[12:39] <madindustries> john did it finish?
[12:39] <intelikey> oh.   well i've never used alien
[12:39] <intelikey> but i think you need some -b --build dev   arg or something.
[12:39] <intelikey> deb
[12:40] <john> madindustries: you want me to paste it here?
[12:40] <intelikey> !pastebin
[12:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:40] <madindustries> intelikey example?
[12:40] <john> madindustries: packages have unmet dependencies
[12:40] <madindustries> john unmet dependencies? which are?
[12:41] <arun> !lamp
[12:41] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[12:42] <madindustries> john what are the unmet dependancies?
[12:42] <john> madindustries: libltdl3, libcrypt4, imagemagick, libgtkhtml2-0:depends libgail-common, libgail18
[12:43] <intelikey> apache may be a good server but i found cherokee easier for me to deal with...
[12:43] <madindustries> john sudo apt-get install libgtkhtml2-0
[12:45] <john> madindustries: sry it wont work
[12:45] <john> madindustries: same unmet depend
[12:45] <madindustries> any help intelikey
[12:45] <intelikey> !find libgail-common
[12:45] <ubotu> Found: libgail-common
[12:45] <intelikey> !info libgail-common
[12:45] <ubotu> libgail-common: GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library -- common modules. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 224 kB, installed size 512 kB
[12:46] <intelikey> it's in main.
[12:46] <madindustries> right so why isnt it there
[12:46] <intelikey> !info libgail18
[12:46] <ubotu> libgail18: GNOME Accessibility Implementation Library -- shared libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 92 kB, installed size 1340 kB
[12:46] <intelikey> that's in main too   so his sources.list is hosed
[12:46] <intelikey> redo it.
[12:46] <flaccid> !source-o-matic
[12:46] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:46] <john> madindustries: couldn't open lock file
[12:47] <flaccid> !adeptfix
[12:47] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:47] <madindustries> nice find flaccid
[12:47] <flaccid> dang
[12:48] <madindustries> john http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:48] <intelikey> !repos
[12:48] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:48] <intelikey> also good   ^
[12:48] <john> ok going
[12:48] <Xunil> hey ... need some help on samba... somebody there ???
[12:50] <intelikey> sorry Xunil not me,  i'm like network illerate and leaving in 5 minutes.   maybe someone else.
[12:50] <john> madindustries: kate is opened
[12:50] <flaccid> Xunil: sup
[12:50] <madindustries> xunil whats the problem
[12:50] <madindustries> john chack all boxes on webpage
[12:50] <madindustries> close kate
[12:50] <intelikey> oh and i don't do windows   so that's three stricks...
[12:51] <Xunil> I switched from Windows to Linux just a week ago
[12:51] <Xunil> on my laptop
[12:51] <john> madindustries: done
[12:51] <madindustries> so it made a list?
[12:51] <madindustries> john so it made a list?
[12:51] <Xunil> but my Family still uses windows... how can I get a samba network betreen my Laptop and the Computers of my Family?
[12:52] <john> madindustries: yap but the kate opened is this ok?
[12:52] <john> madindustries: save it?
[12:52] <madindustries> xunil do you have a network set up with windows pcs?
[12:52] <madindustries> john yes save it
[12:53] <john> madindustries: done
[12:53] <Xunil> at the moment i do everything via ftp
[12:53] <madindustries> intelikey what is the filename and directory
[12:53] <john> madindustries: sudo again?
[12:53] <Xunil> but it doesnt work properly
[12:53] <intelikey> madindustries of ?
[12:53] <flaccid> !samba | Xunil
[12:53] <ubotu> Xunil: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:53] <madindustries> the source file
[12:53] <madindustries> intelikey source file
[12:53] <intelikey> madindustries /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:54] <madindustries> intelikey for john to replace with webpage output
[12:54] <Xunil> thx... that's enough for now
[12:54] <john> madindustries: he ask am i root?
[12:54] <intelikey> madindustries sources.list  in  /etc/apt/   the way you asked it...
[12:54] <Xunil> if there are any probs i will retourn
[12:55] <madindustries> john name the test file sources.list
[12:56] <intelikey> john if you are not root (can't save to /etc)  save in your home dir  and sudo cp file_you_save /etc/apt/
[12:56] <madindustries> john: and put in /etc/apt
[12:56] <intelikey> put it how ?      oh like intelikey said...
[12:57] <intelikey> :)
[12:57] <intelikey> ok i'm out of here.   later and good luck with that.
[12:57] <john> madindustries: guys my head almost poops out.....can we go to the printer issue?....very sry
[12:58] <john> madindustries: anyway i'll be here anytime this week
[12:58] <john> madindustries: or how about dinner break...good idea?
[12:59] <madindustries> john its alright im sorry things havent gone so smoothly but I have never used alien before so I cannot install printer without further help from people like intelikey
[12:59] <madindustries> its 4:00 in the morning here
[01:00] <john> madindustries: hats fine me too have soo many things from you bcoz im newbee..what? were you live
[01:00] <madindustries> SoCal USA (with the surfers)
[01:00] <john> madindustries: i mean so many things i learned from you
[01:01] <madindustries> john im happy to hear that
[01:01] <john> madindustries: wont you sleep?
[01:01] <john> ya i really appreciate this helpful channel
[01:01] <madindustries> john actually i think i will sleep goodnight, hopefully you will be back on soon (as well as me)
[01:02] <madindustries> John is there any other quick things I can do for you?
[01:02] <john> madindustries: ya sure but you know its 6pm here in cebu...soo maybe if its ok for you im gonna use my time seeking help to somebody
[01:03] <madindustries> john sure go ahead thats a wonderful idea
[01:03] <john> madindustries: well see aroung gonna go surfing automatix
[01:04] <madindustries> lol, paalam john
[01:05] <john> madindustries: thnx for the time kababayan
[01:06] <patrux> IRC/LIST
[01:10] <Fraction> hi there. got a really strange problem.. When using the 2.6.20-15 my wlan works fine, but when using the 2.6.20-16 the computor crashes each time I choose a specifik wland to connect to, how can this be?
[01:11] <Fraction> * generic kernel
[01:17] <arkaitz> Where do the download packages go when using Synaptic ?
[01:17] <arkaitz> downloaded*
[01:48] <tron__> Hey anyone can help me i cannot save configurations for sendmail i keep getting this error
[01:48] <tron__> m4:/etc/mail/sendmail.mc:18: ERROR: end of file in string
[01:51] <tron__> Support !!!!!!!!
[01:55] <kanpachi> hello, how do i change back to the default theme that comes with kubuntu? i changed it
[01:56] <combo> if i have such xorg.conf :: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36544/ :: (fglrx installed) can i change the last part on [ Composite "Enable" ]  so i can install kxdocker ??
[01:56] <combo> ( ATI Radeon 9600 )
[01:57] <kanpachi> how do i change the background on the kon file manager?
[01:57] <kanpachi> or disable it?
[01:58] <combo> kanpachi: u mean appearance theme or what ?
[01:59] <emilsedgh> kanpachi: you mean konqueror ?
[01:59] <rand_acs> does anyone know how to set your default sound card, "suo asoundconf set-default-card Live" didn't work :(
[01:59] <rand_acs> sudo*
[01:59] <emilsedgh> kanpachi: if you mean konqueror, View->Configure Background
[02:01] <kanpachi> thanx!!
[02:03] <combo> can someone help me, pls ? [;
[02:04] <anandanbu> How to make a partition of 15GB in Ubuntu 7.04 which has a free space of 115gb
[02:05] <gustavo> i need some help with amavis/postfix, "Starting amavisd:   The value of variable $myhostname is "gustavo-laptop", but should have been a fully qualified domain name;"
[02:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> anandanbu: first. learn the laws of physics inside and out.  second, break them.
[02:06] <anandanbu> Daisuke_Laptop: what do you mean
[02:07] <juanra> I need help
[02:07] <juanra> ayuda :(
[02:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> you want a 15gb partition with 115gb free
[02:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> !es
[02:07] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:07] <juanra> hola
[02:08] <anandanbu> Daisuke_Laptop: Sorry for that actually my entire hdd contains ubuntu 7.04 and now i need a free space of 15gb how to create it
[02:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> use gparted or qtparted
[02:08] <Ben_Cs> hello
[02:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> back up important personal data first, though
[02:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> well, i'm off to class
[02:09] <anandanbu> Daisuke_Laptop: k
[02:09] <Ben_Cs> i want to eject my ipod. "sudo eject" does the job. how do i do the job without sudo? what group di need to add myself to?
[02:10] <m4st3r> hi all
[02:10] <m4st3r> I installed compiz-fusion on kubuntu 7.04
[02:10] <m4st3r> but I cant see window name line...
[02:11] <m4st3r> window name line, right?
[02:11] <m4st3r> somebody help me
[02:13] <magicmike> Hi. I'm trying to have my windows ntfs partitions mounted in Kubuntu. I have 2 windows partitions. I've been trying to post my fstab but I'm not getting a post number.
[02:13] <anandanbu> m4st3r: what do you mean by window line
[02:13] <m4st3r> top of windows
[02:14] <m4st3r> window's name..
[02:14] <Jucato> I think he's missing the window borders
[02:14] <m4st3r> aha
[02:14] <anandanbu> m4st3r: in the compiz configurator try tweaking the windows decoration
[02:14] <Jucato> might want to ask in #ubuntu-effects as well
[02:15] <anandanbu> m4st3r: does the window borders show up when you enable compiz or what
[02:16] <m4st3r> anandanbu: okok
[02:16] <m4st3r> i run compiz-fusion,
[02:16] <m4st3r> i cant see window borders..
[02:16] <backpro> hello
[02:16] <m4st3r> my graphic card gma915,,
[02:16] <magicmike> Hello
[02:16] <backpro> i dont have /usr/include/GL in my computer what to do ?????
[02:17] <backpro> i know what to do thanks
[02:17] <backpro> good bye
[02:19] <m4st3r> i solved it !!
[02:19] <magicmike> Any help would be appreciated.
[02:19] <m4st3r> compiz --replace -c emerald..
[02:19] <XenThraL> hi, having trouble building wxSQlite3, ./configure just gives me: "configure: error: cannot run /bin/bash build/config.sub" anyone know how I can fix this?
[02:20] <anandanb1> m4st3r: yeah try to set it as default in the sessions so that you get the windows border every time you login
[02:20] <use> hello how can i restor deleted partition tables/
[02:20] <anandanb1> magicmike: did you try ntfs-3g driver
[02:20] <m4st3r> anandanb1: yeah thanks :)
[02:20] <magicmike> No, I tried fuse.
[02:22] <anandanb1> magicmike: try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009 or else http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[02:23] <magicmike> I'll try. If not, I'll be right back. Thanks.
[02:31] <magicmike> anandanb1: I get sudo: gedit: command not found
[02:31] <Jucato> magicmike: instead of sudo gedit, use "kdesu kate" instead
[02:31] <Jucato> sudo is for command line,gedit is for Ubuntu
[02:32] <magicmike> Okay, will try. Thanks
[02:33] <anandanb1> magicmike: whats the command that you gave its " sudo gedit"
[02:33] <anandanb1> magicmike: no need of colons in between
[02:33] <hanz> how do i get a program to run at startup?
[02:34] <savetheWorld> hanz: do you mean when the system boots up or whe nX Windows starts up?
[02:34] <Jucato> anandanb1: gedit doesn't exist on Kubuntu systems because it is a GNOME/Ubuntu app
[02:35] <Jucato> !autostart | hanz
[02:35] <ubotu> hanz: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[02:35] <anandanb1> Jucato: yeah
[02:35] <Jucato> hanz: but by default, KDE will restart any app you have left running when you logout
[02:35] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[02:35] <hanz> jucato, cheers man
[02:35] <contrast83> Is anyone here using Splashy?
[02:37] <javier> Hola.
[02:49] <arun> how do i delete a folder from the terminal
[02:49] <combinio> where can i find HOW-TO install compiz/xgl and all necessary drivers under ATI Radeon 9600 step by step ??
[02:50] <Jucato> arun: empty folder?
[02:50] <combinio> arun: rm -r name_of_the_folder
[02:50] <Jucato> !compiz | combinio
[02:50] <ubotu> combinio: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:50] <Jucato> arun: yeah that command. be careful though, once rm'ed, there's no restore
[02:51] <combinio> Jucato: thx :)
[02:51] <arun> Jucato: alright, thanks
[02:53] <combinio> Jucato: where can i find out which drivers i have installed ? XGL or AIGLX ??
[02:53] <combinio> - just can't remember ^^
[02:54] <Jucato> um.. don't know.sorry.
[02:54] <Jucato> and they aren't drivers I think
[02:54] <combinio> Jucato: key
[02:55] <m4st3r> HI
[02:56] <Jucato> !hi | m4st3r
[02:56] <ubotu> m4st3r: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[02:56] <m4st3r> on kubuntu
[02:56] <m4st3r> auto start program
[02:56] <m4st3r> ....a -_-;
[02:57] <m4st3r> How can i register auto start program?
[02:58] <Ben_Cs> what's the CLI for upgrading? sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:58] <Jucato> m4st3r: by default, KDE remembers the programs that you left running when you logout and restarts those when you log back in.
[02:58] <Jucato> !autostart | m4st3r
[02:58] <ubotu> m4st3r: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[02:58] <Jucato> Ben_Cs: practically, yes
[02:58] <Jucato> but run update first
[02:58] <Ben_Cs> ok
[02:58] <m4st3r> Jucato: I wanna start command "compiz --replace -c emerald &"
[02:59] <m4st3r> How can i register it?
[02:59] <Jucato> I think there are specific instructions for compiz and KDE...
[02:59] <Jucato> !compiz
[02:59] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:59] <Jucato> might want to see that help page and that channel.
[03:00] <contrast83> m4st3r: do you have fusion-icon installed?
[03:00] <m4st3r> contrast83: no
[03:00] <m4st3r> what is it?
[03:01] <m4st3r> dont search package..
[03:01] <contrast83> m4st3r: one sec...
[03:01] <emilsedgh> Jucato: there are many question's about Application's autostartup, how about a factoid about it?
[03:01] <m4st3r> contrast83: one sec..?
[03:02] <contrast83> m4st3r: http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/fusion-icon_0.1.1+git20070812-shame-2_i386.deb
[03:02] <Jucato> emilsedgh: saw it?
[03:03] <contrast83> m4st3r: install that, then just drag and drop it from K Menu to ~/.kde/Autostart and you're set; *or* you can make a seperate session for Compiz-Fusion so you can choose whether you want it to start before logging in.
[03:03] <mikko> hm, any ideas why i lose sounds if i reboot?
[03:03] <m4st3r> contrast83: oh thanks! :)
[03:04] <emilsedgh> Jucato: ah, yes
[03:04] <contrast83> m4st3r: np. did you use Beryl prior to Fusion?
[03:04] <contrast83> Does anyone in here use Splashy?
[03:05] <m4st3r> contrast83: i use compiz-fusion
[03:06] <contrast83> m4st3r: i know. i meant did you *used* to use Beryl? If so, was just gonna point out Fusion-Icon is pretty similar to Beryl-Manager
[03:07] <Gosty> hello, i've got problem with filesystem. today i booted normal, but filesystem was read only. after restart i ran fsck to fix error which caused it, but KDE didn't start. after restart GRUB had error 17 (or 15) and didn't start too. I tried live Supergrub CD to boot to windows and just to backup files with EXT3 driver, but it's not running, because partition isn't mounted
[03:07] <Gosty> please help me
[03:12] <contrast83> Gosty: If worse comes to worst, you could do what I did in your situation, although I have to stress it's a *last* resort...
[03:13] <Gosty> contrast83: if i can make backup befare it i agree
[03:13] <Gosty> * before
[03:13] <contrast83> Gosty: Boot into a Kubuntu live CD, delete *everything* from the Linux partition except your personal stuff you're keeping, then reinstall, but do the partitions *manually* and don't format them (you'll have to use the text-only installation disc for that unless you previously set up a seperate /home partition).
[03:14] <contrast83> Gosty: Do you have another computer around?
[03:14] <Gosty> contrast83: I can't mount linux partition in live CD
[03:14] <Gosty> contrast83: yes i have
[03:14] <Gosty> notebook
[03:15] <contrast83> Gosty: Yeah you can.
[03:15] <Gosty> contrast83: I tried to mount it but not successful. Windows partition I mounted successful but linux not
[03:16] <contrast83> Gosty: I'm not sure if you can install and run nfs-kernel-server from the live cd or not. If so, I'd say that'd be the easiest way to do backups - just transfer stuff to the laptop. Otherwise you're stuck with K3b
[03:16] <Gosty> contrast83: Where can I find the files in Live CD?
[03:17] <Gosty> contrast83: I tried to mount it but not successful as i wrote.
[03:17] <contrast83> Gosty: What exactly did it say (and what was the command you ran)?
[03:18] <Gosty> contrast83: mount /dev/sda6 /media/sda6
[03:18] <Gosty> contrast83: and before it i made directory /media/sda6
[03:18] <Gosty> contrast83: mount -t ext3 /dev/sda6 /media/sda6
[03:18] <contrast83> the mount command *was* done as root, right?
[03:18] <Gosty> yes
[03:19] <mahdi> anyone find a foolproof way to get beryl to start automatically?
[03:20] <Gosty> contrast83: and windows partitions i mounted successfully
[03:22] <whisper> Does anyone think that kubuntu is a bit more buggy than ubuntu?
[03:22] <Gosty> me
[03:22] <whisper> ive tryed both now and had some strange shit with kubuntu
[03:23] <contrast83> Gosty: Sorry, but I'm not sure. You might ask over in #grub
[03:23] <whisper> hate the gnome interface tho..
[03:23] <Gosty> thanks
[03:23] <whisper> on the other hand some things that are better in ubuntu
[03:23] <contrast83> Gosty: If you can't mount the partition in SuperGRUB *or* a live cd, it sounds like something pretty serious is wrong. :-\
[03:24] <Gosty> contrast83: maybe i can do it but this CD is in espanol or what language
[03:24] <contrast83> Gosty: ???
[03:24] <contrast83> Download/burn another cd
[03:24] <Dr_willis> to mount things one must be root, or use sudo also.
[03:25] <contrast83> Dr_willis: He knows. :-)
[03:25] <Dr_willis> The DSL or Puppy Live cd's are handy. only like 50-100mb also. :)
[03:26] <anandanbu> I have a 160GB hdd with ubuntu7.04 installed and now i want to install windows in it how to partition the drive help needed
[03:27] <hcbox> have you a partition for that ?
[03:28] <contrast83> anandanbu: Erm... I've *heard* that GParted is capable of doing what you need, but I've also heard that it's impossible
[03:29] <contrast83> anandanbu: If it can be done though, you'll need to make a new ext3 partition, move the current ubuntu installation to that, then install Windows. Just remember Windows has to be on the primary partition.
[03:30] <Dr_willis> gparted can resize  a linxu isntall.. but windows tends to want to be on the first partition i recall.. THAT might mess linux up a little. but not near as bad, now that uuid's are in use by the linux install.
[03:30] <flake> does it work on sata drives
[03:30] <flake> kubuntu i mean
[03:31] <flake> in other words can i install on sata with no probs
[03:31] <anandanbu> contrast83: how is that possible
[03:31] <Dr_willis> flake,  yes. works great fro some time now.
[03:31] <contrast83> anandanbu: ?
[03:31] <flake> cool ty
[03:32] <anandanbu> contrast83: how to create another etx3 partition and move my stuff to that
[03:32] <contrast83> anandanbu: Oh, nm... Download/burn Gparted, pop it in and reboot
[03:32] <Dr_willis> anandanbu,   what will moving stuff acomplish?
[03:32] <Lacrymology> If you want to use skim (scim-panel-kde) or scim-qtimm (Qt immodule support for SCIM), please select kconfig as the config module.  <<< what does this mean?
[03:32] <anandanbu> contrast83: but to move my stuff to the created partition
[03:32] <contrast83> Dr_willis: Read up. :-)
[03:32] <Lacrymology> or rather
[03:32] <Lacrymology> how do I do that?
[03:33] <anandanbu> Dr_willis: i need my presentations, tutorials and videos with me
[03:33] <contrast83> anandanbu: From my understanding, Gparted is capable of that, but I can't speak from experience.
[03:33] <Dr_willis> he  should be able to rezise the linux partition, then install windows to the new one. BUT he will have to resstore grub.
[03:33] <Dr_willis> this is on a laptop? 1 hard drive system?
[03:33] <anandanbu> Dr_willis: no this is on my desktop
[03:34] <contrast83> Dr_willis: Are you sure? I thought Windows had to be on the partition #1 on the disk?
[03:34] <rrazpo> Hi all ! I'm a new on Kubuntu and I will to go a french chan, how can I ? (sorry for my english, I'm french  :/ )
[03:34] <anandanbu> Dr_willis: you say that i boot with live cd and create a new partition in which i can install windows and then restore the grub
[03:34] <Jucato> !fr | rrazpo
[03:34] <ubotu> rrazpo: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:35] <Dr_willis> contrast83,  he could resize linux from the front.. BUT that may be a bit harder.  Im pretty sure gparted can do that.
[03:35] <Dr_willis> Ive had windows be on the back of the hd.. (primary partition) but I may of had to tweak grub also.
[03:35] <rrazpo> thank you ubotu =)
[03:35] <Dr_willis> WHat Version of windows are we refering to anyway?
[03:35] <anandanbu> Dr_willis: its XP
[03:35] <Dr_willis> 'BEST' layout would be somthing like..  (windows) (linux /) (swap)
[03:36] <Dr_willis> on 3 partitions.
[03:36] <Dr_willis> depending on your needs.
[03:36] <Dr_willis> even Best-er :) would be windows on its own HD, and Linux on its own hd.
[03:36] <anandanbu> Dr_willis: Ok then i would do by formatting the entire hdd
[03:36] <Dr_willis> HDA = windows, HDB = linux.
[03:36] <Dr_willis> anandanbu,  'formating' is not the same as 'partitioning'
[03:36] <contrast83> actually, (windows) (linux /) (linux /home) (swap). makes upgrading and recovering *much* easier*
[03:36] <anandanbu> Dr_willis:HDA = windows, HDB = linux.
[03:37] <combinio> !AIGLX
[03:37] <ubotu> AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl
[03:37] <contrast83> so 4 partitions
[03:37] <_aaa> Jisao, good morning, can you tell me what printer is compatable with Ubuntu and Kubuntu 7.04, please?
[03:37] <anandanbu> Dr_willis: can't understand HDA = windows, HDB = linux.
[03:37] <Dr_willis> anandanbu,  Ok.. some how we all are confused now.. you got ONE or 2 hard DRIVES.. not partitions...
[03:37] <contrast83> anandanbu: one hard drive for windows, another for linux
[03:37] <Dr_willis> hard drives = little silver box' :)
[03:37] <anandanbu> Dr_willis: I have only one 160GB HDD with Ubuntu7.04 installed
[03:38] <Dr_willis> anandanbu,   Cant afford to go get a 2nd hd eh..
[03:38] <Dr_willis> easiest thing to do would be get a 2nd hd.. put it on primary ide channel. Install windows, put 2nd hd back in (on ide channel #2) then fix grub/put grub on the MBR of hda
[03:38] <anandanbu> Dr_willis: Not for now
[03:39] <Dr_willis> hda = linux talk for first hd. :) hdb = 2nd hd. hdc = 3rd hd..
[03:39] <Dr_willis> anandanbu,  bummer. If you lived near me.. id give ya a few..
[03:39] <anandanbu> Dr_willis: where are you now
[03:39] <Dr_willis> I picked up a 500gb hd for $99  last month. :)
[03:39] <Dr_willis> Indiana
[03:39] <Dr_willis> ive seen 40gb hd's on sale for like $30 locally
[03:39] <anandanbu> Dr_willis: oh thats too far for me
[03:40] <genii> Dr_willis: Around here you can get an 80 for that
[03:40] <contrast83> if it weren't for having to keep the data that's currently on the hd, this would be a lot easier. i've set up several dual-boot installs on one hd without issue
[03:40] <Dr_willis> genii,  yep. It pays to watch the sales.
[03:40] <Dr_willis> well in any case.. if the data is  Imporntant -- BACK IT UP.. :)
[03:40] <contrast83> true true
[03:41] <Dr_willis> back it up to another machine, cd/dvd/usb/
[03:41] <anandanbu> Dr_willis:contrast83: Anyway thanks for your help
[03:41] <Dr_willis> then tatoo it onto the dog!@ :)
[03:41] <genii> Poor puppy
[03:41] <contrast83> cd's/dvd's scratch, even when well taken care of. at least from my experience.
[03:41] <contrast83> anandanbu: np. good luck
[03:42] <Dr_willis> contrast83,  i recall a year+ ago..  more durable cd/dvd's getting advertised (teflon coated?) but never saw them out in stores.
[03:42] <contrast83> one day i'm gonna save up for a 1TB external hard drive that *everything* from all 3 of my computers gets backed up to.
[03:42] <Dr_willis> contrast83,  i managed to get 2 500gb's for $200 total.
[03:42] <Dr_willis> that will backup all my OTHER hd's i got. :)
[03:43] <contrast83> Dr_willis: I think I saw those back when I worked at RadioShack. they never seemed to take off though
[03:44] <contrast83> That actually reminds me of these things I saw at CompUSA though - little protective layers you put on the data sides of discs (while still leaving them readable) to keep them from getting scratched.
[03:44] <BluesKaj> contrast83, wonder what the seektimes are like on those big HDDs when they have 200+Gs of data on them
[03:44] <Dr_willis> contrast83,  these were not those d-skin covers.. this was built into the cd/dvd.
[03:44] <Dr_willis> I got the dskins.. they dident work with the game copy protection.. :(
[03:45] <Dr_willis> just a teflon coating ont he bootom of the cd i guess wa all it was.. goign to make the disks a little more $$ but not much.
[03:45] <juan> can you remove the firefox crash warning
[03:45] <Dr_willis> Whats the cost of DVD-DL media now? they still way high?
[03:45] <contrast83> BluesKaj: Well, I've got a 320GB drive in my clunker which mainly serves as an nfs server, and I don't notice any slowdown. And this is with streaming HD video from it over a wireless connection.
[03:46] <backpro> did i can watch internet tv from linux ??????
[03:46] <contrast83> Dr_willis: Relatively, yeah. I don't see them going down until the DVD format is on its way out. They don't want to make it *too* cheap for the bootleggers.
[03:47] <backpro> did i can watch internet tv from linux ??????
[03:48] <contrast83> juan: Not that I know of, although there is a (very over-kill) workaround. Install the TabMixPlus extension. Last time I used it, it had an option for disabling Firefox's session manager.
[03:48] <BluesKaj> clunker eh ? , well that's reassuring , contrast83
[03:49] <backpro> the edgy ubuntu is dapper or Feisty
[03:49] <backpro> the edgy ubuntu is dapper or Feisty ???????
[03:49] <contrast83> repeating your question doesn't yield quicker responses
[03:49] <contrast83> repeating your question doesn't yield quicker responses!!!!!!!
[03:49] <backpro> ok iam sorry
[03:49] <kalorin> is there an echo echo echo echo in here?
[03:50] <Tomi-idle> backpro: yes you can watch tv, edgy is another version of ubuntu. there's also dapper, feisty, gutsy
[03:50] <Tomi-idle> and some older ones
[03:50] <contrast83> backpro: dapper=6.06, edgy=6.10, feisty=7.04...
[03:50] <juan> contrast83: thx, thats abit overkill i just dont want to be warned that its restoring the session
[03:54] <contrast83> juan: sorry, not sure... although it wouldn't surprise me if there's an extension that does just that and nothing else. might have to do some searching though.
[03:54] <magicmike> jucato: I was able to get the first windows parttion mounted. However the second partition I get line 15 in /etc/fstab is bad. mount: can't find /dev/hdb5 in /fstab/ or /etc/mtabetc
[03:55] <_RappeR_> heLLo
[03:55] <magicmike> Sorry, typo! Forget last etc in that
[03:55] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  try a 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb' see what it shows for that disk.
[03:55] <_RappeR_> hey
[03:55] <Dr_willis> Hello _RappeR_
[03:55] <_RappeR_> is there anyone who can help me to install flash
[03:55] <_RappeR_> player
[03:55] <_RappeR_> on ubuntu 7.04
[03:55] <Dr_willis> !flash
[03:55] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:56] <_RappeR_> thx
[03:56] <_RappeR_> i wiew
[03:56] <_RappeR_> the faq
[03:56] <magicmike> It shows /dev/hdb1   *           1       15131   121539726    7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:57] <contrast83> !gnash
[03:57] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[03:57] <magicmike> And /dev/hdb2           15132       24792    77601982+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA
[03:57] <magicmike> And /dev/hdb5           15132       24792    77601951    7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:59] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  and just 'sudo mount /dev/hdb5 /media/hdb5  -t ntfs' gives an error also?
[03:59] <Dr_willis> -t may need to go after the mount command. :)
[04:00] <contrast83> Has anyone in here used Splashy?
[04:00] <magicmike> Dr. Willis: Yes, it says mount: mount point /media/hdb5 does not exist. (Thanks for the help.)
[04:00] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  make the mountpoint. :) then try it again
[04:01] <Dr_willis> lesson for the day. when mounting  the directory Mounting TO must exist beforhand.
[04:01] <magicmike> Not sure how I make that mount point.
[04:01] <Dr_willis> its a directory
[04:01] <magicmike> Thanks for the lesson
[04:01] <sparr> I would like to connect to my VPN at work.  It Just Works with our windows xp clients.  I can get kvpnc to say that I am connected, and i have a somewhat sensible looking ppp0 device after that, but nothing else seems to work.  Help?
[04:01] <Dr_willis> mkdir /media/whatever-the-heck-ya-want
[04:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:01] <Dr_willis> well wioth a sudo at the front
[04:02] <magicmike> I guess it has to be different from the mount point for the other Windows partition?
[04:02] <Dr_willis>  some of them have a hard time understanding the need to put a 'space' after the command
[04:03] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  well that makes SENCE. :) unless you dont want to access the OTHER partition any more.
[04:03] <Dr_willis> you can sort of 'hide' a partition/directory  that way
[04:03] <Dr_willis> but not what you are tryign to do. heh.
[04:03] <contrast83> Aaaahahahahaaaa.... I think I finally got Splashy to play nice. :-D
[04:03] <contrast83> Brb...
[04:04] <magicmike> Okay will try.
[04:04] <Dr_willis> in my '/media/hda1' dir * NOT the mounted dir * i make a file called 'HDA1_IS_Not_Mounted' :) then when i mount it.. that file is no longer there.. the stuff from hda1 is.
[04:04] <drag0_> wauuuuuuuuuuup?!
[04:04] <drag0_> *>z<*
[04:04] <_RappeR_> hey
[04:04] <_RappeR_> ivan@ivan:~$ tar -zxf install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[04:04] <_RappeR_> tar: install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[04:04] <_RappeR_> look
[04:05] <_RappeR_> what's the problem
[04:05] <Dr_willis> Hmm- i always just used the apt-get install commands to isntall flash.
[04:05] <Jucato> _RappeR_: don't you want to just install Flash 9 from Add/Remove Programs?
[04:05] <Dr_willis> the howto is saying to use that tar.gz?
[04:05] <_RappeR_> there isn't in add/remove
[04:05] <Jucato> we have it in the repositories. no need to manually download and install i
[04:05] <Jucato> it*
[04:06] <Dr_willis> You need to enable the other repositories.
[04:06] <_RappeR_> how
[04:06] <_RappeR_> ?
[04:06] <Jucato> _RappeR_: Feisty or Dapper?
[04:06] <Jucato> are you on Feisty, Edgy or Dapper?
[04:06] <_RappeR_> feisty
[04:06] <Dr_willis> I though there were some check box's :) somewhere.
[04:06] <Jucato> it should be enabled by default
[04:06] <Jucato> if not, go to System -> Adept Manager and search for flashplugin-nonfree
[04:08] <magicmike> Okay Dr. Willis, I'll reboot and see what gives. BRB
[04:08] <Dr_willis> reboot? you aint in linux right now eh?
[04:09] <magicmike> Well, yea, I am.
[04:09] <drag0_> so 4what ?:P
[04:09] <Dr_willis> ok.. another lesson...
[04:09] <Dr_willis> the 'mount /whatever/ whever stuff ' does NOT survive a reboot.
[04:09] <Dr_willis>  for permenet mounting. thats what the /etc/fstab file is for,
[04:10] <magicmike> I created a directory named lazerfunk. Yea, I'm trying the permanent mounting.
[04:10] <Dr_willis> Then you need to properly create a fstab line for the drive.
[04:10] <Ben_Cs> hi
[04:10] <magicmike> So I'll need to reboot huh?
[04:10] <_RappeR_> where i can find the firefox folder
[04:10] <_RappeR_> in linux
[04:10] <_RappeR_> ?
[04:10] <Dr_willis> THEn use 'sudo mount -a' to mount it.
[04:10] <Ben_Cs> what's the best virtual machine for kubuntu?
[04:10] <Dr_willis> _RappeR_,  its in .mozilla/ I belive
[04:11] <DaSkreech> _RappeR_: the Folder?
[04:11] <Dr_willis> Ben_Cs,  vmware server is free.. or theres virtualbox. (its gpl-free)
[04:11] <Jucato> _RappeR_: try this command in Konsole, "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[04:11] <_RappeR_> i must teke in the downloaded plug-ins
[04:11] <xevil> I'm having issues with Konqueror... my internet connection is up but Konqueror returns an error that it can't connect to host... any suggestions
[04:11] <Dr_willis> xevil,  other browsers work? irc works?
[04:12] <xevil> irc is working now...
[04:12] <_RappeR_> the terminal says me obsolet packet
[04:12] <xevil> this is a new install and konqueror is the only browser at the moment
[04:13] <Jucato> hm.. strange...
[04:13] <Dr_willis> you might want to  update/upgrade  befor doing much else. Incase its a known/fixed bug.
[04:13] <xevil> Dr_willis: good point...
[04:13] <_RappeR_> i must the flash player to saw youtube videos
[04:14] <drag0>  :|
[04:16] <_RappeR_> im try to paste it manually but he says : you do not have permissions to paste
[04:16] <kaminix|benkyou> Anyone know a good application to make schedules? I need to make a stylish and printable school schedule.
[04:16] <magicmike> Dr. Willis: Haven't really got the full gist of it but the drive is now mounted. Thanks. I can never remember all these sudo commands. Is there a place where they can all be located?
[04:16] <soc> hi
[04:16] <soc> kde4beta2 has been released, will there be updated packages in gutsy, kubuntu.com or backports?
[04:17] <BluesKaj> magicmike, i just copied them into a text file , which can copy and paste from
[04:17] <nodesert> how can i learn the name of my computer?
[04:18] <Jucato> name? as in hostname? it's usually username@hostname in Konsole
[04:18] <xp_killer> what is the super button? BluesKaj
[04:18] <sparr> xp_killer: usually the 'windows' key
[04:19] <magicmike> Good idea. Also how can you tell which distro you're running?
[04:19] <bona> hi, where can i find a driver for my "fujitsu siemens"-Mouse?
[04:19] <BluesKaj> magicmike,lsb_release -a
[04:19] <Jucato> !version | magicmike
[04:19] <ubotu> magicmike: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[04:20] <_RappeR_> jucato
[04:20] <Jucato> kernel version: uname -r
[04:20] <Jucato> _RappeR_: can you run "sudo apt-get update" then try to install flashplugin-nonfree again?
[04:20] <Ben_Cs> Dr_willis: and the better one is?
[04:20] <Jucato> otherwise, I'm not familiar with manually installing Flash
[04:20] <Jucato> !flash | _RappeR_
[04:20] <ubotu> _RappeR_: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[04:21] <_RappeR_> how i can paste the plugins in firefox folder
[04:21] <_RappeR_> ?
[04:21] <Jucato> _RappeR_: I don't  know how to handle Flash + Firefox because I rarely use Firefox and I install using flashplugin-nonfree
[04:21] <Jucato> _RappeR_: can you run "sudo apt-get update" then try to "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" again?
[04:21] <_RappeR_> wait a'm try again
[04:22] <_RappeR_> nop
[04:22] <elzbal> I joined this conversation halfway through... are you on AMD64?
[04:22] <elzbal> And on Feisty?
[04:22] <magicmike> I'm running 6.06 Dapper. Should I upgrade?
[04:23] <_RappeR_> amd64
[04:23] <DaSkreech> magicmike: or cat /etc/issue
[04:23] <Jucato> !flash64
[04:23] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[04:23] <Jucato> no wonder it didn't work hehehe
[04:24] <_RappeR_> ok
[04:24] <_RappeR_> thZ
[04:24] <elzbal> Flash on amd64 is a bit of a "special case". I used a script found here. It worked like a champ.    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924
[04:27] <elzbal> _RappeR_, I like the method from the forum/script a bit better than the manual-install-firefox-64... the script installs nspluginwrapper (which will be used by Gutsy too).
[04:27] <DaSkreech> magicmike: What reasons would you have for upgrading?
[04:27] <elzbal> Also, after that, Flash is working in Konqueror as well, since it picks up your Mozilla plugins.
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Ezekeel: Welcome to the world of Amarok
[04:27] <Ezekeel> hehe
[04:28] <juan> to the nice person who tried to help me before it turns out there is a solution in about:config but i had to add the setting myself
[04:29] <magicmike> Just inquiring. I'm happy with the present performance but I sounds like I'm running an older distro.
[04:30] <Jucato> magicmike: Dapper is old if you take into account software versions. but that's what an LTS (Long Term Support) is supposed to be
[04:30] <Jucato> rock stable by being old :)
[04:30] <_RappeR_> elzbal thanKz
[04:31] <_RappeR_> now the videos on youtube workZ
[04:31] <_RappeR_> gOOd Bye
[04:31] <elzbal> magicmike: That sounds like a question only you can answer. I personally prefer running a hair behind "bleeding edge", but there is a school of thought "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
[04:31] <elzbal> _RappeR_ you're welcome :)
[04:31] <_RappeR_> jucato thanks for help
[04:31] <_RappeR_> jucato thanks for help
[04:31] <_RappeR_> ciaoX
[04:31] <magicmike> elzbal. I can live with that thinking. LOL Thanks.
[04:32] <magicmike> To all
[04:33] <genii> !helpersnack | Jucato
[04:33] <ubotu> Jucato: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[04:33] <Jucato> yummy!!
[04:33] <Jucato> or maybe a kold one..
[04:37] <backpro_> somebody know an filesharing software for linux like kazza ?????
[04:37] <stdin> !p2p
[04:38] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[04:39] <BluesKaj> backpro_, ktorrent
[04:39] <Jucato> kazaa doesn't use torrents iirc
[04:40] <BluesKaj> oops backpro_ mldonkey
[04:40] <BluesKaj> or kmldonkey
[04:41] <BluesKaj> amule and frostwire are full of fake files and ads
[04:41] <kkathman> true that
[04:42] <Jucato> and virus and spyware... but we dont worry about that here right? :)
[04:42] <BluesKaj> hehe
[04:42] <backpro__> i lose my default sources.list
[04:43] <backpro__> what to do ?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> !easysource
[04:43] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:43] <DaSkreech> bam!
[04:45] <magicmike> Hey jucato do you run antivirus program here?
[04:46] <Jucato> I personally don't.... but I might, just for Windows people
[04:46] <DaSkreech> !antivirus
[04:46] <stdin> virus? what's that then? :p
[04:46] <Jucato> I might be receiving files that might be infected and unwittingly propagate them
[04:46] <DaSkreech> stdin: Like the flu in winter
[04:46] <ubotu> antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[04:47] <stdin> DaSkreech: last time I got the flu was in the summer
[04:47] <[GuS] > Antivirus? what is that? :P
[04:47] <DaSkreech> !antivrus | [GuS] 
[04:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about antivrus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:47] <feimao> !sound
[04:47] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:47] <genii> Thats a thing you put on windows operating systems
[04:47] <[GuS] > DaSkreech: i said it as a joke... cause i do not use antivirus no linux :P
[04:48] <DaSkreech> [GuS] : I know I was being purposely annoying otherwise I would have corrected myself
[04:48] <[GuS] > lol
[04:48] <kaminix|benkyou> Okay, I have two problems when printing a schedule in KOrganizer. 1) It shows only the names of my lessons, not when they start or their location. 2) The text is too smal, it's ugly.
[04:49] <Albert> Hello ! I would like to know if someone here use a laptop HP Pavilion dv9592ef (or dv95xx) ?
[04:49] <BluesKaj> I just make sure I have a good antivirus on my windoes partition
[04:50] <andreasn> hi all! How do I add a ksplash-screen in the control-center (gutsy)?
[04:51] <arkygeek> hi everyone.  I am coming at you live from a 24" iMac =)
[04:52] <BluesKaj> arkygeek, nothing like making ppl envious right off the top :)
[04:52] <arkygeek> I have triple boot set up (it's a thing of beauty ;-) )  I have a couple of questions though...
[04:52] <arkygeek> BluesKaj: heh
[04:52] <BluesKaj> sounds like you don't need any help here :)
[04:52] <DaSkreech> arkygeek: Mac Linux and Solaris?
[04:53] <arkygeek> well, I am struggling with the sound...
[04:53] <DaSkreech> !sound
[04:53] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:53] <Albert> !sound
[04:53] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:54] <arkygeek> DaSkreech: :-(  sadly, I have xp installed... I probably will never use it, as I can build my app's pkgs in vmware, but I I thought I would do it so I can show it off to my mates ;-)
[04:55] <DaSkreech> arkygeek: Should have done Vista
[04:55] <arkygeek> nothx
[04:55] <DaSkreech> So you could parallels them side by side to showcase how much better the other two are while taking up less resources
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Would be really fun :)
[04:56] <arkygeek> ahhh  heh
[05:05] <buggie> what can I use to rip audio tracks to mp3?  I've got kubuntu feisty and I've installed medibuntu repositories.  I thought I could use k3b as I've installed the mad mp3 libs, but it only lets me rip to wav and ogg...
[05:05] <billy> salut
[05:06] <magicmike> Any easy to follow instructions on working with and installing tar.gz files?
[05:06] <buggie> cli - tar -xzvf <filename>
[05:06] <buggie> sorry, that was just a command
[05:07] <genii> man tar
[05:07] <buggie> man tar?
[05:07] <pag> buggie, install (at least) lame
[05:07] <magicmike> ?
[05:07] <pag> !info lame | buggie
[05:07] <ubotu> buggie: lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[05:07] <magicmike> Speak newbie pleez.
[05:08] <pag> magicmike, .tar.gz is a compressed archive - just like .rar or .zip
[05:08] <genii> magicmike: Most commands or apps on linux, especially system type commands have a manpage or manual for them. you see the manual for a particular thing by going: man <thing>
[05:08] <buggie> will lame give me a gui? or is it exclusively cli?
[05:08] <stdin> !man
[05:08] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:08] <pag> magicmike, you can unpack them by rightclicking and selecting Extract
[05:09] <pag> buggie, it's a library that other GUIs may use.
[05:09] <Jucato> buggie: neither. it's just a library.
[05:09] <buggie> pag: oic
[05:09] <buggie> so having lame, what could I then use to rip to mp3?  k3b?
[05:09] <Jucato> !ripping | buggie
[05:09] <ubotu> buggie: To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[05:10] <tim_away> magicmike: installing tar file: the stuff in most tar files is code, like that programmers write. how exactly you install the stuff in it depends on what language its in, so first we'll get it out of the tar:
[05:10] <tim_away> "tar -xzf FILENAME.tar.gz".
[05:11] <tim_away> type that at the comandline with your file as FILENAME. probably best to put it in its own directory first
[05:11] <tim_away> still here?
[05:11] <tim_away> oh.... :-(
[05:11] <DaSkreech> magicmike: what's the file for?
[05:13] <magicmike> I have a Lexmark X5250 printer I haven't been able to install.
[05:13] <DaSkreech> !printer
[05:13] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:13] <feimao_> !dvdrip
[05:13] <genii> So it's some ppd file?
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvdrip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:14] <feimao_> !media
[05:14] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[05:14] <buggie> Jucato: thank you.  That was quick and painless
[05:14] <Jucato> :)
[05:14] <feimao_> !codes
[05:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codes - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:14] <feimao_> !codecs
[05:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:16] <feimao_> !rulesa
[05:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rulesa - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <feimao_> !rules
[05:16] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:18] <tim_away> magicmike: apparantly with lexmark printers: they are basicly the least linux friendly printers :( however there are drivers for some of the Z series printers
[05:18] <tim_away> which work with some of the x series
[05:18] <Jucato> !botabuse | feimao_
[05:18] <ubotu> feimao_: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:18] <tim_away> but you dont know if or which one without trying
[05:18] <magicmike> Daskreech: I downloaded an X5250SampleCUPS -1.0-1
[05:19] <magicmike> Extracted the files and trying to figure out how to use.
[05:21] <tim_away> you need to build them, but first you need to build the libraries they might depend on
[05:21] <tim_away> http://www.lexmark.com/lexmark/sequentialem/home/0,6959,204816596_659668514_676597484_en,00.html
[05:21] <tim_away> similar to the above I guess, try getting them through adept first
[05:21] <tim_away> before trying to find and build them yourself
[05:21] <tim_away> I'm affriad if your new to linux this is going to be hard, but you'll learn a lot
[05:24] <magicmike> Maybe a new printer would be best. LOL I'm still trying to figure out how to navigate directories in terminal.
[05:24] <SlimeyPete> all you need to know are "cd <directorypath>" and "cd .."
[05:26] <magicmike> So you must use cd before and after the directory path
[05:26] <SlimeyPete> no
[05:26] <SlimeyPete> just before
[05:26] <SlimeyPete> then to go down a directory you can use "cd .."
[05:26] <tim_away> "cd .." means go up a directory
[05:26] <SlimeyPete> so... "cd /home/pete" puts me in /home/pete, then "cd .." puts me in /home/
[05:26] <tim_away> "ls" means list directory, and you can put a path after it to get it to list a random directory
[05:27] <magicmike> Okay you seem to always start out in the desktop diectory, is that correct?
[05:28] <tim_away> but if you follow the instructions in the link I posted, adjusting them for the fact they are instructions for something else you should be fine
[05:28] <tim_away> you used the black command prompt window in windows?
[05:28] <tim_away> its like that
[05:28] <SlimeyPete> magicmike: you always start out in /home/<your username>
[05:29] <DaSkreech> !commands | magicmike
[05:29] <ubotu> magicmike: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:29] <SlimeyPete> desktop is /home/<username>/Desktop
[05:29] <tim_away> oh its case sensetive, dont let that catch you
[05:29] <DaSkreech> !tab | magicmike
[05:29] <ubotu> magicmike: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[05:30] <aguitel> anyone helpme ?
[05:30] <sakthian> hi
[05:30] <magicmike> okay, I type cd/home/magicmike/desktop and I get no such file or directory.
[05:31] <DaSkreech> magicmike: space inbetween cd and /
[05:31] <DaSkreech> magicmike: press up to get the last command
[05:31] <tim_away> and press tab for autocomplete, its sooo useful
[05:31] <DaSkreech> aguitel: did you ask something?
[05:32] <magicmike> Okay, I put the space and I get the same.
[05:32] <tim_away> desktop has a captial
[05:32] <tim_away> *capital
[05:32] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,i have problem with X
[05:32] <tim_away> like I said its case sensetive
[05:33] <DaSkreech> aguitel: right
[05:33] <tim_away> magicmike: but you can press tab when you have half a given word written and it fills the rest in, so its not so much typing as you might thing
[05:33] <bonesss> hi guys
[05:33] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,when i try to restore the backup xorg.conf it say there not space in the device
[05:33] <DaSkreech> argh
[05:33] <DaSkreech> aguitel: you are logged in?
[05:34] <bonesss> where are the init files in kubuntu?
[05:34] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,now i am booting with live cd
[05:34] <tim_away> magicmike: so first you want to get the dependencies installed. most programs depend on libaries and code other than themselves, you need to make sure its there
[05:34] <magicmike> Okay here is where I'm at magicmike@magicmike-desktop:~$   Now if I want to navigate to a folder on my desktop named My Files how would I do that?
[05:34] <DaSkreech> aguitel: can you mount your drive?
[05:34] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,for what?
[05:34] <DaSkreech> magicmike: cd<space>Des<tab>My<tab>
[05:35] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  you may want to read a few bash/shell beginners guides.
[05:35] <DaSkreech> aguitel: so you can fix it
[05:35] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  the tab key does 'file name completion' makes it handy
[05:35] <bonesss> i need to play "ifconfig" in boot time
[05:35] <bonesss> how i do it?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  also rember that CaSe Is ImPorntAnT
[05:35] <Dr_willis> bonesss,  play?
[05:35] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,with the live cd?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> bonesss,  you can run commands from the file /etc/rc.local easially enough
[05:36] <tim_away> magicmike: read the guid :), after that dependencies first. open up a terminal (konsole in system in the start menu)
[05:36] <Dr_willis> bonesss,  they get ran at the end of the init process.
[05:36] <DaSkreech> aguitel: Right you are on the live CD now right >
[05:36] <DaSkreech> ?
[05:36] <ksivaji> how to configure LAN in ubuntu
[05:36] <tim_away> magicmike: and type into it sudo apt-get sigC++
[05:36] <aguitel> DaSkreech , not yet
[05:36] <Dr_willis> ksivaji,  from X/KDE? or from the terminal?
[05:36] <bonesss> Dr_willis: my pppoe connection has connected in boot time
[05:36] <bonesss> i need to execute the ifconfig before it
[05:36] <ksivaji> Dr_willis from terminal ?
[05:36] <aguitel> DaSkreech , my pc is slow
[05:37] <DaSkreech> aguitel: Oh. ok where are you talking from now?
[05:37] <tim_away> magicmike: it will want your password, so type that in. the terminal doesnt show up stars or anyting, so just type it and hit enter, I repeat dont expect to see stars
[05:37] <Dr_willis> bonesss,  if  theres some commands you want to run after the init process is done. but befor the user logs in the /etc/rc.local is a good place for that.
[05:37] <aguitel> DaSkreech , another pc
[05:37] <DaSkreech> aguitel: of course :)
[05:37] <Dr_willis> ksivaji,  the ifconfig command is used for that normally.  You may have to read its man pages and some other docs however.
[05:37] <tim_away> magicmike: done that?
[05:37] <magicmike> Read what guide? I'm still trying to figure out how to navigate this directory and you're shooting a little too much at me at one time. I do appreciate your help though.
[05:38] <Xera> I'm not sure if this should be in #lua or here but, I'm trying to install luasocket, I've installed liblua5.1-socket2 but am missing core.so, is there another package I need?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> !commands | magicmike
[05:38] <ubotu> magicmike: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:38] <bonesss> Dr_willis: ok man, i will do it
[05:38] <bonesss> thanks
[05:38] <tim_away> magicmike: the guide was the one just posted
[05:38] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  bash beguiners/shell starter guides.. You need to learn some very very FUNdamentals. :)
[05:38] <tim_away> magicmike: it will help a lot, but terminal skillz is useful
[05:38] <tim_away> magicmike: and works for windows too!
[05:38] <Dr_willis> Terminal Skills SAVE your Backside.
[05:38] <soc> hi
[05:39] <ksivaji> Dr_willis but my college system having redhat os says ifconfig is  not a command ?
[05:39] <soc> what do i have to execute to start kde4beta2?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: from the splinters you got messing around in terminal
[05:39] <Dr_willis> ksivaji,  ifconfig is a command.. but you may need root access to run it.
[05:39] <DaSkreech> soc: install it log out choose KDE4 from the login screen
[05:39] <aguitel> DaSkreech , i am in the desktop with the live cd right now
[05:39] <kaminix|benkyou> How do I find the gpg key for this repository? http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/kde/stable/3.5.7/kubuntu/
[05:39] <soc> mh it doesn't open
[05:39] <soc> Exec?
[05:40] <aguitel> DaSkreech , what i need to do
[05:40] <soc> currently it reads: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kstart
[05:40] <bonesss> /etc/rc.local has "exit 0". i put "ifconfig" before ou after that?
[05:40] <DaSkreech> aguitel: mount your hard drive
[05:40] <DaSkreech> kaminix|benkyou: What? what are you doing?
[05:40] <bonesss> or*
[05:40] <Dr_willis> bonesss,  A++ you are 'thinking' and 'reading' and 'learning'  You will go far.. Yes you are correct.
[05:40] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,i how i do that ?
[05:41] <DaSkreech> aguitel: Umm there is probably a easy gui way but let me do the terminal way if you don't mind
[05:41] <Dr_willis> bonesss,  the command 'ifconfig' wont do anything that i am aware of..  it will just show the inter faces
[05:41] <soc> DaSkreech: do you have an idea?
[05:41] <kaminix|benkyou> DaSkreech: I'm adding the page I showed you to my repos. It works as is, but because I don't have the key for the repo it will always complain about untrusted packages.
[05:41] <bonesss> Dr_willis: "ifconfig 0.0.0.0"
[05:41] <tim_away> naa you can use it for things like ifconfig eth0 up
[05:41] <Dr_willis> bonesss,  that makes a little mroe sence. :)
[05:41] <soc> are there any enviremont variables i have to set?
[05:42] <bonesss> :D
[05:42] <Dr_willis> not sure what thats doing.. but at least it makes more sence..
[05:42] <bonesss> "ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0"*
[05:42] <jhutchins> bonesss: What are you trying to achieve?
[05:42] <tatters> been trying to open mount point editor in kubuntu getting error libpython2.5.so not found in paths
[05:42] <kaminix|benkyou> DaSkreech: Using it for KDE 3.5.7 software which I did not have in my current repos
[05:42] <Dr_willis> i always set up my machines with static ips on my lan. :)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> kaminix|benkyou: Right but kubuntu has 3.5.7 repos
[05:42] <jhutchins> bonesss: the init process already runs the network configuration process, so running ifconfig is redundant.
[05:43] <jhutchins> bonesss: If your networking isn't woking, it needs to be fixed somewhere else.
[05:43] <kaminix|benkyou> DaSkreech: Really? Where?
[05:43] <kaminix|benkyou> DaSkreech: And why are they not standard?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> kaminix|benkyou: go to http://kubuntu.org
[05:43] <DaSkreech> soc: it won't start when you choose it at login?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> how did you install?
[05:43] <soc> no
[05:43] <soc> from gutsy
[05:43] <DaSkreech> ah
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Ummm
[05:44] <DaSkreech> ask in #kubuntu-devel ?
[05:44] <bonesss> jhutchins: my eht0 is configured with 10.1.1.2, and it doesn't works for me
[05:44] <stdin> soc: did you install kdebase-woekspace ?
[05:44] <soc> ok
[05:44] <soc> i don't see that package ...
[05:44] <stdin> soc: it's in gutsy, and it's needed
[05:45] <soc> don't find that
[05:45] <magicmike> Still haven't got it. Sorry
[05:45] <DaSkreech> magicmike: Which folder are you in?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> type pwd
[05:45] <soc> searching for "workspace" only reveals gworkspace.app
[05:45] <Dr_willis> !find workspace
[05:45] <ubotu> Found: gworkspace-apps-wrappers, gworkspace.app
[05:45] <maverick_> hoe can i know the "dev" of my bluetooth
[05:45] <maverick_> ?
[05:45] <maverick_> how*
[05:46] <Dr_willis> !find kdebase
[05:46] <ubotu> Found: kdebase, kdebase-bin, kdebase-data, kdebase-dbg, kdebase-dev (and 3 others)
[05:46] <soc> kdebase is kde3-only ...
[05:46] <stdin> Dr_willis: not in feisty, and I don't know if ubotu has updated yet
[05:46] <stdin> soc: no, kdebase-workspace is kde4, see kdebase-workspace
[05:47] <stdin> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[05:48] <emilsedgh> stdin: which modules ar packaged?
[05:48] <stdin> emilsedgh: for feisty?
[05:48] <emilsedgh> yes
[05:48] <stdin> emilsedgh: none yet, there are some dependence issues (which I'm having a look at)
[05:48] <emilsedgh> stdin: yes
[05:49] <emilsedgh> stdin: are you creating packages?
[05:49] <stdin> emilsedgh: no, just helping out
[05:49] <tim_away> mike are you behind a router? I think desktop sharing might be the easiest way here
[05:49] <emilsedgh> oh
[05:50] <soc> i hope kde4beta2 will be in gutsy soon
[05:50] <stdin> there are some naming differences in gutsy/feisty it seems
[05:50] <emilsedgh> I hope this time we'll have kdenetwork too
[05:50] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,i mounted
[05:50] <stdin> soc: it is, I have it now...
[05:50] <DaSkreech> It occurs to me that Basket is very cool
[05:50] <DaSkreech> aguitel: from the command line type df -h
[05:50] <DaSkreech> see how much space is free on the mounted drive
[05:51] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,ok
[05:51] <magicmike> GFinally navigated to the desktop directory and it listed the folders there but not able to navigate beyond that yet.
[05:51] <soc> but i don't find startkde!
[05:51] <gustavo> Sep  6 12:25:13 gustavo-laptop postfix/local[19555] : 3B9161F4DA: to=<teste@gustavo.org>, relay=local, delay=0.08, delays=0.05/0/0/0.04, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (temporary failure. Command output: /usr/bin/maildrop: Unable to open mailbox. )
[05:51] <gustavo> can anybody help?
[05:51] <stdin> soc: like I said, you need kdebase-workspace to get that
[05:51] <DaSkreech> magicmike: Type ls
[05:51] <soc> ok
[05:51] <DaSkreech> magicmike: tell me if you see the list of your Directories
[05:51] <soc> i'll try the main server now
[05:53] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,in /dev/hda7 there are not space
[05:53] <soc> ok stdin, it wokrs
[05:53] <magicmike> I see the list and I am able to navigate into a couple of them but one that is named My Files doesn't gives command no such file or directory.
[05:53] <soc> my mirror seems to lad behind
[05:53] <DaSkreech> aguitel: ok well go to the drive and we can see what we can clean up
[05:53] <DaSkreech> magicmike: use tab
[05:53] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,what drive? hda7 ?
[05:53] <DaSkreech> magicmike: type cd then a space then My then a tab
[05:54] <DaSkreech> aguitel: yes you mounted it? browse to the folder it is mounted to
[05:54] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  Talk about Shell BASICS. :)
[05:54] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,i monted
[05:54] <magicmike> When I tab nothing happens.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  the issue is the SPACE in the file name. use Quotes or let the shell complete/excape the space.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  in the future DONT use spaces in file/dir names. :) makes it much easier
[05:55] <DaSkreech> magicmike: it should complete the name
[05:55] <Dr_willis> cd 'whatever this is'
[05:55] <DaSkreech> magicmike: press tab twice
[05:55] <DaSkreech> magicmike: It should print out a list of option
[05:56] <DaSkreech> magicmike: and don't forget if it's a capital M for My you need to type a capital <
[05:56] <DaSkreech> M
[05:56] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,i am in the drive hda7
[05:56] <Dr_willis> and its the TAB KEY,. not T A B :)
[05:56] <magicmike> Okay, that time tab worked.
[05:56] <Dr_willis> guy at work was.. "Gee i never use the Tab key befor Linux!"
[05:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:56] <magicmike> Yea, I knew it was the tab key. LOL
[05:57] <magicmike> I'm only a partial idiot, not complete. LOL
[05:57] <Dr_willis> 'click the right mouse button' , BOFH: 'how do I knwo which one is the RIGHT button! what if i click the wrong button!'
[05:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:58] <DaSkreech> aguitel: ok
[05:58] <DaSkreech> do you know of anything off the top of your head you can delete?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> magicmike: Hooray you are now a linux command line user :)
[05:59] <magicmike> When you put a space in the folder name the result is My\ Files/
[05:59] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,the last thing i do is instaling ubuntu ( over kubuntu)
[05:59] <magicmike> Whoopeee, give me my bachelors degree.
[05:59] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  correct. the '\ ' is 'escaping' the space.
[05:59] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  for your final exam - how would you remove a file with the name of '-hello' :)
[06:00] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,where are the ubuntu files for example to erase them ?
[06:00] <DaSkreech> magicmike: yes it needs to escape the space
[06:00] <magicmike> The biggest problem I was having is when to use cd / and when to use just cd.
[06:00] <elzbal> Dr_willis: With the gui.  :)
[06:00] <DaSkreech> magicmike: windows does it by puttin " " around the names
[06:00] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,can i erase vmlinuz.old ?
[06:00] <DaSkreech> aguitel: I guess
[06:01] <Dr_willis> " = weak quotes in linux, and ' = strong quotes
[06:01] <DaSkreech> aguitel: are you removing kubuntu?
[06:01] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,not
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: don't talk french to him
[06:01] <magicmike> Wait a sec. I'll creat a directory I don't want and then I'll tell ya if I know or not.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  so we are back to telling him to go read some bash starter guides :)
[06:01] <DaSkreech> aguitel: ah. do you have a seperate /home partition or everything is on one partition
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: better you explain when to use / and when not ot
[06:01] <DaSkreech> to
[06:01] <magicmike> Hey, that was Russian, not French. LOL
[06:01] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,yes
[06:02] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  i always use
[06:02] <Dr_willis> single quotes. i never can figure out the / stuff :)
[06:02] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,separate partition
[06:02] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,seperate partition
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: jerk :)
[06:03] <DaSkreech> aguitel: ok
[06:03] <DaSkreech> aguitel: how big is /
[06:04] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,3.7 g
[06:04] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,i dont know why is full
[06:04] <DaSkreech> That's not a whole lot of wiggle room for two DEs
[06:04] <DaSkreech> aguitel: Well I can show you if you like
[06:05] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,what is initrd.img.old ?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> aguitel: type du -cks * | sort -rn | head -11
[06:05] <magicmike> Yay, I remove a directory. Set it off on the left, set it off on the right....LOL
[06:05] <DaSkreech> aguitel: your old kernel
[06:05] <DaSkreech> magicmike: neat :)
[06:05] <DaSkreech> that's an often asked question here
[06:07] <DaSkreech> aguitel: that will give you the directories sorted by which one is taking up the most space
[06:07] <DaSkreech> aguitel: I can tell you right now it's usr
[06:07] <danielronin> hello, I partitioned my root with way too much space (9G) and my home with not enough, is there anyway to shave about 4g off of the root partition and allocate it to home with the GUI in the Kubuntu installer?
[06:07] <DaSkreech> You can cd into it press up and run that command again
[06:08] <magicmike> Cool. I got this tab thing going on too. LOL Now is there a command for recovering some file you accidentally delete?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> danielronin: erm. Qtparted but I think the command line parted might be safer
[06:08] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  Not really.. so DONT do it. :)
[06:09] <DaSkreech> magicmike: if you delete it from the command line and you have ext3 and yuo haven't over written rm then no
[06:09] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  you could make a safedelete command, that just moved the file...
[06:09] <DaSkreech> if any of the above aren't true. Maybe
[06:12] <magicmike> What's a safedelete command? Yo DaSkreech Thanks for helping with that. I appreciate it. Maybe we can work on that compiling of the Printer Drivers of this Lexmark X5250 later.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  a command you could MAKE. :) as an example.  you could make a 'mv' alias, that would move things to a 'to_delete' dir, instead of actually deleteing them
[06:13] <DaSkreech> magicmike: replace rm with something else
[06:13] <Dr_willis> magicmike,  and if this is all greek to you.. well.. time to like we said.. read some bash starter guides.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> !info abs
[06:13] <ubotu> Package abs does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:13] <DaSkreech> then have a script delete things in that dir that are a month old
[06:14] <magicmike> That sounds cool.
[06:15] <magicmike> Do WMA files play in Amarok?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> sure
[06:15] <DaSkreech> !w32codecs
[06:15] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[06:16] <danielronin> sorry, timed out, i didn't get that reply DaScreech
[06:17] <hcbox> is it possible to convert mp3 > wave when burning with k3b ?
[06:18] <DaSkreech> danielronin: erm. Qtparted but I think the command line parted might be safer
[06:19] <Dr_willis> hcbox,  yes -  i belive thats doable..
[06:19] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,i am in usr folder
[06:20] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,what i do?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> aguitel: press up to get back the du -cks command and run it again
[06:20] <DaSkreech> it will lead you to what's taking up space
[06:20] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,what command?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> du -cks * | sort -rn | head -11
[06:22] <Jucato> hm.. ducks...
[06:22] <magicmike> I set up my Linux on one single partition. Is it possible to create a new partition with the unused space without having to reinstall?
[06:22] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,i mke
[06:22] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,i make
[06:23] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,ind now ?
[06:23] <DaSkreech> aguitel: sorry?
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Yeah I jsut alias it
[06:23] <DaSkreech> magicmike: yyeah
[06:23] <aguitel> DaSkreech , i make du -cks * | sort -rn | head -11
[06:24] <DaSkreech> aguitel: you are in the terminal?
[06:24] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,yes
[06:24] <DaSkreech> aguitel: You typed that in?
[06:24] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,yes
[06:26] <DaSkreech> aguitel: the top folder is the one that is taking up space
[06:29] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,yes
[06:29] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,lib is
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Interesting
[06:30] <Ibitsa> i set root password with "sudo passwd root" and now i can use that passwd with "su" command but when i want to edit a file as root in kde or use adept etc. i still have to use my old passwd can someone please explain what is this?
[06:31] <aguitel> DaSkreech ,and
[06:31] <deviance> Whats the easiest way to install nvidia drivers in kubuntu?
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Ibitsa,  you are using 'sudo' as a user. that wants the USERS password.
[06:31] <DaSkreech> cd into that and repeat
[06:31] <rjune__> Ibitsa: most GUI stuff is configured to use sudo, which is configured to use your password
[06:32] <Dr_willis> sudo is a 'safeer' way to access the 'su' stuff.
[06:32] <DaSkreech> You will find where the files taking up space
[06:32] <Dr_willis> Its 'best' to stick with the sudo method. dont  'su'
[06:32] <Dr_willis> if you need a root shell use 'sudo -s'
[06:32] <rjune__> Dr_willis: safer is subjective. in a multiuser setup, proper sudo configuration is best.
[06:32] <Dr_willis> rjune__,  yep. then theres arguments on WHICH way to set up sudo is best. :)
[06:33] <rjune__> in a single user setup, it's fairly easy to argue that sudo is less secure then su.
[06:33] <Dr_willis> Wasent theres some new Security features in  The next ubuntu release?
[06:33] <rjune__> I want kde4
[06:33] <Dr_willis> Bah. :)
[06:33] <Dr_willis> We need UAC in Ubuntu! :) that way we can be just as annoyed as in vista!
[06:34] <Ibitsa> Dr_willis: can i set different password to be used with "sudo" it is now my account password?
[06:34] <rjune__> Ibitsa: sudo uses your account password.
[06:34] <Dr_willis> Ibitsa,  you are setting the root users password with that 'sudo passwd' command.
[06:34] <Dr_willis> as rjune__  just said.. sudo uses the USERS password as a 'security' check.
[06:35] <Dr_willis> you can even disable that with the sudo configs.
[06:35] <Ibitsa> hmm
[06:35] <Dr_willis> 2 paths to do similer tasks. :)
[06:35] <Dr_willis> sudo is worth reading about. you can do some neat tricks with it.
[06:35] <Dr_willis> allow user bob to use 'shutdown' but not user 'jill' and so forth.
[06:35] <rjune__> yeah, running anything as root without a password is fun
[06:36] <Ibitsa> maybe i just should study more about sudo stuff
[06:36] <rjune__> that would be best
[06:36] <deviance> Guys, to set up nvidia drivers I need to run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:36] <Dr_willis> i made a user called 'halt' once with no password. and a shell of 'halt' that way i could halt the system from the login: :)
[06:36] <deviance> Can i do that from konsole?
[06:36] <Dr_willis> theres BETTER ways to do that also. :)
[06:36] <Dr_willis> deviance,  i always isntall the restricted-manager tool to handle that stuff.
[06:36] <stdin> deviance: yes, you're supposed to :)
[06:36] <Dr_willis> but id go with stdin
[06:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:37] <deviance> So, It doesnt matter if I am running any programs?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> rjune__: KDE4 is a apt-get (and some repo setups) away
[06:37] <stdin> deviance: no, you'll have to logout and restart X anyway for the settings to apply
[06:37] <deviance> So if I run it will it take care of logging out?
[06:38] <stdin> deviance: no, you run that command, then logout and restart X, then log back in
[06:38] <deviance> Also whats the command to restart x?
[06:38] <deviance> Or can I ctrl alt backspace
[06:38] <Dr_willis> deviance,  thats what i use.
[06:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:38] <DaSkreech> deviance: that works
[06:38] <deviance> Ok
[06:38] <DaSkreech> deviance: save stuff
[06:38] <stdin> deviance: it's in the menu on the login screen, or just  ctrl-alt-bs
[06:39] <DaSkreech> deviance: or they go with X
[06:39] <Dr_willis> if ya altctrl-bs fast.. then hit alt-ctrl-del fast.. you can go into reboot mode. :)
[06:39] <Dr_willis> if you are fast.
[06:39] <angelo> ubuntu-it
[06:39] <angelo> #ubuntu-it
[06:42] <stdin> I bet there will be people asking, as I recall from the beta 1 release
[06:42] <tim_away> deviance: you got a gforce mx?
[06:43] <Jucato> there have been people asking since the review from troy came out :)
[06:43] <deviance> gforce 7300gs
[06:43] <deviance> But the xserver restart failed, its stuck on a flashing cursor, what do i do??
[06:43] <deviance> I'm on other PC
[06:44] <deviance> And Ideas stdin?
[06:44] <stdin> deviance: how did you install it?
[06:44] <tim_away> deviance: yes thats glx, not legacy
[06:44] <deviance> ran sudo nvidia-glx-setup
[06:45] <deviance> Or what ever it asked me to
[06:45] <deviance> What do i do next?
[06:45] <tim_away> deviance: sometimes I shit you not, nvidia-glx-setup removes glx when you apt-get it
[06:45] <deviance> :(
[06:45] <tim_away> try getting nvidia-glx again
[06:45] <deviance> Well, its stuck on a flashing cursor, manula restart?
[06:46] <deviance> Or does it take a while?
[06:46] <tim_away> so glx enable ran?
[06:46] <tim_away> ok you must have the package then
[06:46] <tim_away> try control z, c, etc
[06:46] <deviance> Yes, i have the package, it failed on xserver restart
[06:46] <magicmike> BBL. Thanks for all the help.
[06:46] <tim_away> and alt f2 for another terminal
[06:46] <deviance> What do they to Tim
[06:47] <deviance> I'm on a black screen with a flashing cursor
[06:47] <deviance> Hmph, I'll see what happens
[06:47] <deviance> Byee
[06:47] <tim_away> ok, so the status is, xorg didnt start? but you got to a console? and ran glx enable? and then it ocked up?
[06:47] <rjune__> stdin: I know. I cry every day about it
[06:48] <stdin> rjune__: every day? it was released today :p
[06:49] <rjune__> kde4 isn't updated as much as I would like.
[06:49] <stdin> well, that's up to the kde project
[06:50] <Jucato> kde4 isn't updated as much as you would like? how much would you like?
[06:51] <stdin> get the svn version, plenty of updates then :p
[06:51] <Jucato> twice a day if you like even
[06:54] <ce> is kde4-beta2 in gutsy?
[06:55] <DaSkreech> yes
[06:55] <Jucato> yes it is, but there's still a very slight problem
[06:55] <Jucato> you can get over it though
[06:58] <deviance> I restarted my Xserver after a nvidia glx install and its not working
[06:58] <deviance> stdin: Any ideas?
[06:58] <deviance> X wont start
[06:58] <ce> oh? so what is the problems with beta2?
[06:59] <aesebu55> I have a GE909 game pad. The buttons work but the up/down/left/right wont work. The stuff I found using google doesn't work. Please help.
[06:59] <aesebu55> Also, it works in jscalibrate
[06:59] <deviance> How do you start the x server from recovery console?
[06:59] <stdin> deviance: try the nvidia-glx-legacy package maybe
[06:59] <deviance> How would I do that?
[06:59] <deviance> All i can do it is boot into recovery?
[07:00] <deviance> Otherwise i get a black screen with a flashing cursor
[07:00] <stdin> deviance: apt-get remove nvidia-glx && apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
[07:00] <deviance> So i boot into recovery and run that?
[07:00] <deviance> Could I just removed nvidia-glx and run what i had before?
[07:00] <deviance> The propietory drivers?
[07:01] <deviance> Or w/e it uses out of the box
[07:01] <stdin> deviance: you can choose the old one, run "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" and choose the "nv" driver (not "nvidia")
[07:02] <deviance> Okaay
[07:02] <deviance> Thanks
[07:02] <deviance> Ill get back to you after I have tried them
[07:04] <tim_away> I was going to sugest running that, getting a working config, then getting glx enable to generate from that
[07:04] <yurimxpxman> I forget.. what's the command to send a document to the printer?
[07:05] <oxyman> yurimxpxman: lpr
[07:05] <patrick__> hy.. i need to configure grub, can somebody help me pls??
[07:06] <tim_away> what does it need to do?
[07:06] <tim_away> you change the files in /boot/grub
[07:07] <patrick__> i want that it chances the time and the system which it is loading
[07:07] <deviance> stdin:  I love you!
[07:07] <deviance> It works :D
[07:07] <deviance> Its a higher resolution, so i need to change that
[07:07] <deviance> But I am so removign glx :P
[07:08] <deviance> You should :F
[07:08] <deviance> :D*
[07:08] <deviance> LOL I have seen my error.
[07:08] <deviance> I installed glx new
[07:08] <deviance> Not glx
[07:09] <deviance> I am an idiot
[07:09] <deviance> Thanks all the same lol
[07:09] <stdin> patrick__: press Alt-F2 and put in "kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst" then you can edit grubs settings, it's quite well documented but ask if you aren't sure
[07:10] <emilsedgh> there are serveral missing kcm modules, Boot Manager (Grub) Editor, X Editor, etc
[07:10] <kaminix> Is there any way to remove KPPP without removing Kubuntu Desktop?
[07:11] <stdin> kaminix: nope, but kubuntu-desktop is a "meta-package" it won't actually remove the whole desktop
[07:11] <kaminix> Is there any danger in removing it then?
[07:13] <Dr_willis> it MIGHT make upgtrades harder in the figure.. but proberly not
[07:13] <stdin> kaminix: no, but you will need to reinstall it to be able to upgrade to new releases of kubuntu
[07:13] <Dr_willis> You wont gain much by removing it. :)
[07:13] <Dr_willis> You wont gain much by removing kppp that is.
[07:13] <kaminix> Hrm... I guess I'll just remove it from my KMenu then :p
[07:14] <stdin> that would probably be easier :p
[07:14] <Dr_willis> Yep - getting where thers SO much stuff in the users menus these days
[07:14] <Dr_willis> i learn to use the alt-space feture of katapult more and more
[07:15] <kaminix> Yes, they should make more use of "More Applications"-thingies. :p
[07:16] <Black_Monkey> hi, I'm not really sure how long these things take, but does anyone know when kde4beta2 will be in the feisty repos?
[07:17] <emilsedgh> Black_Monkey: a few hours, or 1-2 days
[07:17] <danielronin> can someone help me set a new ext3 partition from console?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. My external USB drive just got a Error.. then vanishes.. :)
[07:17] <Black_Monkey> emilsedgh: ok, thanks
[07:17] <emilsedgh> Black_Monkey: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[07:17] <stdin> Black_Monkey: when it's built, depends if we dot the dependencies sorted
[07:17] <danielronin> i'm running from a live cd right now so nothing is mounted
[07:17] <Black_Monkey> emilsedgh: yeah, I saw that
[07:17] <stdin> s/dot/got/
[07:17] <tim_away> what does katapult do? I just pressed alt space and a catapult appeared then went away...?
[07:17] <Black_Monkey> stdin: yeah, that
[07:18] <jbesiee> hi, i saw the annoncement about kde4 beta 2 release. Hovewer, it said to install kdebase-workspace package that i don't have ...
[07:18] <Black_Monkey> 's what I meant by "I'm not sure how long these things take"
[07:18] <jbesiee> what to do ?
[07:18] <stdin> jbesiee: it's not in feisty yet, are you on feisty ?
[07:18] <kaminix> tim_away: Write an application name and it'll start it for you.
[07:18] <Black_Monkey> tim_away: it's a program launcher
[07:18] <jbesiee> yes i'm (7.04)
[07:18] <stdin> Black_Monkey: the 1st build fails, so we'll try again :p
[07:19] <Black_Monkey> fair enough
[07:19] <tim_away> oh I see, I was like wtf, why would you want a katapult to briefly appear on your screen
[07:19] <stdin> jbesiee: wait then, beta 2 isn't there yet
[07:19] <jbesiee> stdin: how can i be sure i'm on feisty ?
[07:19] <stdin> jbesiee: lsb_release -a
[07:19] <kaminix> tim_away: I was wondering about that prog for a long time before I found out. ^^
[07:19] <stdin> jbesiee: in konsole
[07:20] <jbesiee> stdin: thx, it's feisty for sure
[07:21] <Black_Monkey> stdin: well it's out for gutsy, isn't it? :-P
[07:21] <Black_Monkey> or would that be kept to #kubuntu+1 anyway?
[07:21] <stdin> Black_Monkey: yes, but it has to be backported to feisty
[07:21] <danielronin> so can anyone here walk me though a CLI partition?
[07:21] <Black_Monkey> I know, but it's still "out" <_<
[07:22] <stdin> ok s/out/out in feisty/ :)
[07:22] <encom> #UBUNTU-ES
[07:23] <stdin> danielronin: why not use the graphical partitioning tool ?
[07:26] <Fsh> hi i have some problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36592/ see it plz
[07:27] <danielronin> stdin:  the GUI tool won' provide the option for reiserfs or ext3, and i need a journaled filesystem
[07:28] <stdin> danielronin: it will do ext3
[07:28] <tim_away> fsh: what is bad?
[07:28] <Fsh> ...
[07:28] <tim_away> fsh: did you delete a load of stuff beforehand?
[07:29] <danielronin> how? when i the dropdown menu only allows ext, linux swap, fat32, and fat16
[07:29] <danielronin> *the create dropdown menu
[07:30] <Fsh> tim_away no yesterday i update but the internet was disconnect
[07:30] <tim_away> ah. half way through?
[07:30] <Fsh> yes
[07:30] <danielronin> possibly bc it's where an ntfs logical partition used to be? not really sure, stdin
[07:30] <tim_away> could be it got half way through installing some packages, then gave up
[07:31] <Fsh> so i think gone be problem
[07:31] <tim_away> try running depconf -a (people that know more stuff is this right)
[07:31] <tim_away> debconf
[07:31] <stdin> danielronin: ext? is that ext2 or 3?
[07:31] <tim_away> as that should install any half installed packages
[07:31] <danielronin> ext2
[07:32] <danielronin> if it was ext i wouldn't be troubling you fine folks ;^)
[07:32] <danielronin> *ext3
[07:32] <stdin> danielronin: so it has ext3 there then?
[07:33] <voln> how can i hide grub menu - timeout 0 - it it correct?
[07:33] <tim_away> sorry I mean dpkg --reconfigure - a
[07:33] <Fsh> tim_away and messenger kopete ask me for a password and that a password is wrong is kdewallet some thing like that
[07:33] <Fsh> tim_away password a root
[07:34] <danielronin> an advice stdin?
[07:34] <danielronin> *any
[07:34] <tim_away> fsh: may be unrelated, is it not responding to your normal password
[07:34] <tim_away> try the dpkg thing
[07:34] <tim_away> then go apt-get clean
[07:34] <tim_away> then apt-get upgrade
[07:34] <tim_away> sudo all of them obviusly
[07:34] <shinobi_> voln there is in fact a global hide setting in /boot/grub/menu.lst that is 'hiddenmenu'. just uncomment that
[07:35] <stdin> danielronin: you said it had ext3 as an option there?
[07:35] <Fsh> tim_away emmm ok what a password
[07:35] <Fsh> tim_away how i put a pic in pidgin
[07:35] <admin_> halooo
[07:36] <admin_> miss a mont this me
[07:36] <danielronin> no, ext2 only. ext3 is what i need.
[07:36] <admin_> oo
[07:36] <admin_> i dent go like snack
[07:36] <admin_> you?
[07:36] <tim_away> fsh: you need to type : "sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a" into a *console*
[07:37] <tim_away> fsh: it will want a password, your root password
[07:37] <voln> shinobi_ i have just uncomment, i need absolutely hide, i dont need it cause i have only kubuntu on my hd
[07:37] <tim_away> fsh: then type sudo apt-get clean
[07:37] <admin_> no thanks
[07:37] <tim_away> fsh: sudo apt-get update
[07:37] <shinobi_> voln that should work then, give it a reboot and see how it goes
[07:37] <tim_away> fsh: sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:37] <tim_away> fsh: and see what it does
[07:37] <deviance> Woo, all working again
[07:37] <deviance> No propietory drivers for me :(
[07:37] <Fsh> ok
[07:38] <tim_away> fsh: if dpkg doesnt seem to do anything let us know though, cos I'm hoping there will be a load of unconfigured packages
[07:38] <shinobi_> voln just remember that if you need to stuff in grub, you will need to recomment...
[07:38] <shinobi_> grin
[07:39] <Fsh> ok wait
[07:39] <stdin> danielronin: hmm, you can try using "sudo cfdisk /dev/something" to partition then use "sudo mke2fs -j /dev/whatever"
[07:39] <voln> shinobi_i know, thanks
[07:39] <Fsh> tim_away did know about aircard ?
[07:41] <tim_away> internet card? afraid not
[07:41] <Fsh> tim_away No Sierra
[07:41] <deviance> I am trying to connect to my windows pc, I can connect to the shared document, but when I access my documents it asks for a password
[07:41] <deviance> What am I doing wrong\
[07:41] <deviance> And whats the default pass?
[07:41] <Fsh> tim_away Sierra aircard
[07:41] <Dr_willis> deviance,  default password for what>? for Luinux connecting to windows>? that would be your windows users password.
[07:42] <deviance> I dont have one
[07:42] <Dr_willis> then make one.
[07:42] <voln> what is command to edit grub menu?
[07:42] <tim_away> fsh: its a 3g interface card right? no I dont know anything about it, I'll give it a quick google though
[07:42] <deviance> Dr_willis: Is there not a default password, its not my profile I am connecting to
[07:42] <Dr_willis> deviance,  not sure how to make windows allow passworledss/public shares.
[07:42] <shinobi_> voln in kde? or in command line?
[07:42] <deviance> Damn
[07:42] <voln> yes, kde
[07:42] <Dr_willis> deviance,  i would have to suggest using winscp to transfer files then with ssh.
[07:42] <tim_away> fsh: they do work for linux, what kind you got
[07:42] <deviance> I will move the files to shared then I guess
[07:42] <voln> command line better
[07:43] <Fsh> tim_away right
[07:43] <shinobi_> voln kdesu kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:43] <tim_away> fsh: although I'd run those 3 commands before you download any more programs
[07:43] <Dr_willis> deviance,  assuming that will let anonymous people connect. :)
[07:43] <voln> ok
[07:43] <evri2> can someone help me?How can i run my GPU at full speed?
[07:43] <deviance> Yeah
[07:43] <Fsh> tim_away no my problem with a lag
[07:43] <admin_> halooooooooo
[07:43] <shinobi_> voln sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:43] <Dr_willis> !find burncpu
[07:43] <Fsh> tim_away is to slowly
[07:43] <admin_> pv me pliss
[07:43] <voln> i have kate
[07:43] <ubotu> Package/file burncpu does not exist in feisty
[07:43] <Dr_willis> evri2,  check out burncpu.
[07:43] <tim_away> fsh: you the one with the netgear usb dongle?
[07:43] <tim_away> fsh: or did you post something earlier?
[07:44] <shinobi_> deviance just went throught this. if you're admin on all the machines, set up the correct accounts on either end. kde lets you enter the default password you want to use for samba browsing.
[07:44] <Fsh> tim_away no no
[07:44] <Dr_willis> !find samba-doc
[07:44] <ubotu> Found: samba-doc, samba-doc-pdf
[07:44] <Dr_willis> !info samba-doc
[07:44] <ubotu> samba-doc: Samba documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.24-2ubuntu1.2 (feisty), package size 6754 kB, installed size 14512 kB
[07:44] <shinobi_> voln i think kate and krite are interchangeable
[07:45] <Dr_willis>  That Samba doc has 2 books on useing samba and windows machines and configuring them
[07:45] <tim_away> fsh: the pastebin is some apt-get related stuff, is that right? because you havent mentioned an aircard before to me
[07:45] <evri2> Dr_willis: i meant Grapic Card not CPU
[07:45] <voln> shinobi_ok got it
[07:45] <Dr_willis> evri2,  :) thats a bit harder then.
[07:45] <Fsh> tim_away Sir
[07:45] <Dr_willis> evri2,  run glxgears 10000000 times. :)
[07:45] <Fsh> tim_away My problem with a lag not a mentiond
[07:46] <Dr_willis> byeeee
[07:46] <evri2> Dr_willis: rolf
[07:46] <Fsh> tim_away The aircard is work
[07:46] <evri2> Dr_willis: how can i run that 10000 times?Use script or sth? :
[07:46] <Fsh> tim_away But is slowly the speed is slowly
[07:46] <evri2> :PP
[07:46] <tim_away> fsh: and the apt thing, is that sorted now?
[07:46] <Fsh> tim_away every thing is good !
[07:48] <tim_away> fsh: so you also have a slow aircard, right. I'v never used them, but I guess I could help google
[07:48] <danielronin> stdin: did you have any advice since qtpartd has no ext3 option?
[07:48] <tim_away> fsh*brb
[07:49] <Fsh> tim_away is not just in a apt get or not every time is laf
[07:49] <Fsh> tim_away is not just in a apt get or not every time is lag
[07:49] <Fsh> tyt
[07:49] <shinobi_> rdlc23 check
[07:50] <rdlc23> shinobi_ check
[07:50] <test_> hello?
[07:51] <Fsh> hello
[07:51] <test_> Are you good with USB sticks?
[07:51] <Fsh> emm
[07:51] <Fsh> noo but what ur problem ?
[07:52] <test_> None that I tried mount/dismount cleanly
[07:52] <test_> I get a "Mounting sbd1" window that does not go away.
[07:52] <Fsh> emm
[07:52] <danielronin> is there anyone here that can help me through a command line partitioning?!?
[07:52] <stdin> danielronin: I said you can try using "sudo cfdisk /dev/something" to partition then use "sudo mke2fs -j /dev/whatever"
[07:53] <Fsh> what ur os /
[07:53] <deviance> How do I change the keyboard map in KDE?
[07:53] <Fsh> what ur os ?
[07:53] <deviance> \\\\\ < SHould be hash but its not
[07:53] <deviance> I set the right one I think
[07:53] <uzzipher> hi all
[07:53] <shinobi_> danielronin try 'man fdisk'
[07:53] <Fsh> hi 2
[07:53] <uzzipher> how can i see if my desktop is accelerated
[07:54] <uzzipher> i know it is something with gears
[07:54] <Fsh> emm
[07:54] <deviance> Whats the alternative KDE settings center?
[07:55] <deviance> Theres one other distros use, no the system settings
[07:55] <stdin> kcontrol
[07:55] <Jucato> kcontrol is the main center. system settings is the alternative :)
[07:55] <Jucato> that is, until KDE 4 :P
[07:56] <deviance> lol
[07:56] <deviance> I need kcontrol
[07:56] <Jucato> Alt+F2, kcontrol
[07:56] <Jucato> and you're there
[07:56] <deviance> Its alot better
[07:56] <MrP> Hello. Where is apache2-ssl-certificate at?
[07:56] <Aondo> anything broken with the plasma part of beta2 package in gutsy?
[07:58] <astan> hello. anyone know how come i get the message "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable" followed by "Failed to bring up eth0." when i do "sudo ifup eth0" with a /etc/network/interfaces that looks like http://franzkafe.se/interfaces.txt ?
[07:59] <astan> (and for some reason my eth1, which is dhcp configured, isn't brought up at start-up too.. eventhough "dhclient eth1" works once i'm booted).
[07:59] <astan> s/too/either/
[08:02] <astan> ah i see. it's because of the gateway not beeing reachable.
[08:03] <stdin> astan: yeah, and eth1 isn't brought up because there is no "auto eth1" line
[08:07] <astan> stdin: ah. yes i missed the "activate when the computer starts" checkbox in the KDE network settings for eth1, that's why.
[08:07] <astan> all working fine now.
[08:08] <astan> the weird gateway on eth0 was a mistake too.
[08:09] <uzzipher> can anyone help me with accelerating graphics?
[08:09] <deviance> No :P
[08:09] <uzzipher> why not?
[08:10] <deviance> Well, i am sure some one can
[08:10] <deviance> Just not me :
[08:10] <uzzipher> can somebody else help me with accelerating graphics?
[08:11] <MrP> What is the site that offers free SSL certificates that is pretty well trusted?
[08:12] <tim_away> gtg, but: go to the kubuntu site, look at the wiki, search for your card manufacuter (nvidia or ati), that will get you a page on how to install the driver
[08:12] <tim_away> if in doubt ask here, for some reason its quiet these last 10 minutes
[08:12] <deviance> Yeah
[08:12] <deviance> Cya tim
[08:13] <tim_away> oh and deviance says "just use the default one" but the propriatary ones usualy just work
[08:14] <deviance> :P
[08:16] <deviance> Anyone kknow the best too to monitor temp?
[08:16] <maelcum_> hi! i'm in an environment with many (~15) wireless networks and my ipw2200 driver occasionally says "Firmware error detected.  Restarting.". the connection doesn't work for about 20 seconds and then (fortunately) resumes.
[08:17] <maelcum_> this seems to be a known problem with the driver. do you have any workarounds? f.x
[08:17] <maelcum_> f.ex. disablin hw crypto helps
[08:17] <deviance> maelcum_: I think it could be suffereing from too many wifi options
[08:17] <deviance> Do you use your wifi?
[08:18] <deviance> Is it possible to take it out of scanning mode whilst connected to a wifi hotspot?
[08:18] <maelcum_> deviance: yes, otherwise i wouldn't care :)
[08:18] <deviance> Or possible, to ask it not to look for wifi connections?
[08:18] <maelcum_> deviance: uh, i think associated != scanning (?)
[08:18] <deviance> I am afraid I don't know
[08:19] <deviance> Do you connect with knetworkmanager?
[08:19] <maelcum_> deviance: for your questions, ksensors is ok if you want a little tray applet
[08:19] <maelcum_> *question
[08:19] <ch40s> does anyone prefer a mail program other than kmail?
[08:19] <deviance> I prefer to use the settings directly than the network manager
[08:20] <maelcum_> deviance: me too, iwconfig
[08:20] <deviance> I just disable KNetworkManager, and connect with manula settings, that way it connects to your wifi connection and nothing else
[08:20] <deviance> iwcofig? I go throguh system settings
[08:21] <maelcum_> i am pretty sure that this is a real driver and/or firmware problem
[08:21] <deviance> Probably
[08:21] <deviance>  :P
[08:21] <oxyman> ch40s: how about thunderbird
[08:21] <deviance> Gah i'm usless
[08:21] <maelcum_> deviance: i am comfortable with the command line and it's fast
[08:21] <deviance> Yeah true
[08:21] <deviance> Yakuake ftw!
[08:21] <deviance> !yakuake
[08:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yakuake - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:21] <deviance> damn
[08:23] <maelcum_> ch40s: i actually use thunderbird for private mail (and kmail for list mail) - and i occasionally fix kmail bugs and i *know* what it looks like inside. not terrible, but also not terribly reliable *g*. oh, reportedly still better than evolution :)
[08:24] <llutz> someone should port sylpheed-claws to qt :)
[08:24] <deviance> maelcum_: If i was to lock session now, would my download from my PC downstairs carry on?
[08:24] <deviance> I'm coppyiong 6.4 gig over wifi using smb lol
[08:25] <deviance> But I want to leave my desk for a bit and want to lock it
[08:25] <maelcum_> deviance: i have now idea how your session is related to your pc downstairs, but everything stays running if you lock your session.
[08:25] <deviance> Okay :D
[08:25] <deviance> I was just saying incase it matersd
[08:25] <deviance> matered
[08:27] <Jucato> at 2:30 am...
[08:28] <deviance> Jucato: How can you resisit?
[08:28] <deviance> At that time I would be eating the raw instant powder
[08:28] <Jucato> by trying to keep my spelling straight? :)
[08:28] <deviance> Hell, I can't do that when i am wide awake
[08:29] <deviance> As you noticed :P
[08:29] <deviance> Jucato: How can i monitor my CPU and case temps?
[08:29] <Jucato> hm... I forgot the name of the system monitor thingies...
[08:30] <mefisto__> windows killed one of my ntfs disks (not the win system disk). chkdsk says it has "unrecoverable errors". can I restore it with linux tools, or do I have to reformat?
[08:31] <deviance> mefisto__: Find out :P
[08:31] <deviance> Stick a live disk in, and see what happens
[08:31] <stdin> mefisto__: if windows can't fix a problem with a format only they really know about, it's not likely linux can
[08:31] <oxyman> !conky
[08:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about conky - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:32] <Jucato> !info gkrellm
[08:32] <ubotu> gkrellm: The GNU Krell Monitors. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.9-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 733 kB, installed size 2060 kB
[08:32] <Jucato> deviance: that might help...
[08:32] <deviance> :D
[08:32] <oxyman> deviance: well, there's conky though. its a lightweight system monitor
[08:32] <deviance> Cool
[08:32] <deviance> Thanks oxyman
[08:32] <deviance> I need to make some notes
[08:32] <ce> hello, in what package does the startkde script for kde4 exists? (using gutsy)
[08:32] <ubuntu> Hey all, wondering if anyone can help me.  Whenever I try to re-start or turn on my computer it siezes up at the loading screen with a message similar to "disk read error"
[08:33] <ubuntu> yet sometimes it will boot right up without any issues
[08:33] <oxyman> deviance: there's also kima which is a cpu/gpu/hdd temperature monitor embedded in kicker
[08:33] <mefisto__> the thing is, although windows couldn't see the disk, kubuntu could (using ntfs-3g driver). after trying to repair it with chkdsk, it is now not mounting in kubuntu.
[08:34] <Jucato> ce: make sure kdebase-workspace and kde4base are both installed
[08:35] <ce> aha, kdebase-workspace
[08:38] <deviance> lol
[08:38] <ubuntu> hey guys, is it possible to format my HD from the Kubuntu disk?  I'm running off of that becasue my HD is having some issues and won't let me boot up.
[08:38] <mefisto__> ok, can I reformat ntfs with gparted, or should I do it with windows?
[08:38] <deviance> ubuntu Yeah
[08:39] <deviance> Its what i always do
[08:40] <stdin> mefisto__: I think you'll have to install ntfsprogs then format it with mkntfs
[08:42] <mefisto__> stdin: ntfsprogs is installed, but is it safe/reliable, or is it better to let windows do the ntfs formatting? (linux saved me from losing some important data before I chkdsk'd it, so my windows trust level is even lower than it was before)
[08:42] <Jucato> blog done... now sleep
[08:42] <Jucato> stdin: I leave the room in your (dis)able(d) hands
[08:42] <deviance> Jucato: you have your priorites right
[08:43] <Jucato> goodnight people! behave :)
[08:43] <deviance> Night :p
[08:45] <backpro> i have kubuntu and now i dont have sound in my system i format the pc and install kubuntu another time the sound work good but no non any reason the sound dont work ??????????
[08:45] <deviance> backpro erm, not really.
[08:45] <backpro> what mean erm ??
[08:46] <deviance> Did you have it set up correctly? Were you using the same distro first and second times?
[08:46] <backpro> yes ,no
[08:47] <deviance> That is probably why
[08:47] <deviance> The distros were set up differently
[08:47] <backpro> deviance i dont understand you
[08:48] <backpro> distros ???what mean
[08:48] <deviance> Distrobutions
[08:48] <deviance> Where you using the same install CD the first and second times?
[08:48] <backpro> no
[08:49] <deviance> That is probably why
[08:49] <deviance> One CD works with your speakers, one doesn't
[08:49] <backpro> no no
[08:50] <backpro> i have problem with kde desktop
[08:50] <backpro> not only with ubuntu i was install xandros and i was have the same problem
[08:50] <deviance> Oh, I am not sure
[08:52] <mefisto__> backpro: have you installed kubuntu? which version?
[08:54] <backpro> edgy
[08:54] <backpro> kde 3.5.5
[08:55] <backpro> but when i restart the pc its work for a 5 mintes and stop
[08:56] <mefisto__> backpro: does sound work with the edgy livecd?
[08:58] <backpro> yes
[08:58] <backpro> i have to go nowthank you for help me
[08:58] <backpro> good bye mefisto_
[08:58] <backpro> my girl friend on the phone bye bye
[09:01] <eagles0513875> anyone know of any other mp3 pkgs cuz i have lame installed and some audio in mp3 for mat and im not sure what codec they used to compress can anyone help me
[09:01] <NickPresta> !mp3 | eagles0513875
[09:01] <ubotu> eagles0513875: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:01] <oxyman> does anyone know a lightweight audio player other than xmms for kde?
[09:01] <eagles0513875> ty
[09:01] <eagles0513875> oxyman: have u tried audacious
[09:02] <oxyman> eagles0513875: I will try now, thanks
[09:02] <eagles0513875> NickPresta: will that stuff work in gutsy
[09:02] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[09:02] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:03] <majorjrk> Whats the neat little app in kubuntu that shows cpu and battery for laptops in tray ?
[09:04] <eagles0513875> majorjrk: u mean powermanager
[09:04] <majorjrk> pherhaps
[09:05] <eagles0513875> it shows the battery and cpu frequency
[09:05] <stdin> or guidance-power-manager
[09:05] <majorjrk> wmpower ?
[09:06] <majorjrk> r
[09:14] <kubuntu_newbie> hi
[09:15] <kubuntu_newbie> i got that problem with emerald :( how to reload that program?
[09:16] <stdin> kubuntu_newbie: in Alt-F2, "killall emerald && emerald --replace" should do it
[09:20] <rami> I got the virus magistr .a@mm something in wine, will it adffect my computer????
[09:20] <inaety> rami: what program is it?
[09:21] <elzbal> rami: It has a chance to affect any .exe files in any directory which is visible to wine.
[09:21] <elzbal> And since wine often sets up a Z: at your system root, it may affect all .exe files on your system.
[09:21] <rami> ok, i'm gonna remove wine.
[09:22] <rami> just because i hate it, too
[09:22] <stdin> rami: just remove ~/.wine
[09:23] <seanpcrowe> hey dudes...
[09:23] <seanpcrowe> whats better, xchat or koncerer??
[09:23] <seanpcrowe> xchat seems a bit buggy to me
[09:24] <inaety> seanpcrowe: use konversation
[09:24] <stdin> koncerer? what's that?
[09:24] <cloakable> seanpcrowe: wht it koncerer:
[09:24] <cloakable> *what
[09:24] <seanpcrowe> konqueror is what i meat (i cant spell for shit lol)
[09:24] <cloakable> Sounds like a misspelling of konqueror, but that isn't a irc client :P
[09:25] <seanpcrowe> nono.... i mean for browsing the web
[09:25] <mefisto__> apples are better than oranges
[09:25] <stdin> xchat isn't a web browser
[09:25] <Azzco> I've got the old adept in feisty how do I change to the "new" one?
[09:25] <cloakable> seanpcrowe: Konqueror. Xchat cannot browse the web, it's an irc client O.o
[09:25] <seanpcrowe> lololol
[09:25] <seanpcrowe> sorry let me start over again
[09:26] <stdin> Azzco: "old adept" ?
[09:26] <Pupeno_M> Hello.
[09:26] <seanpcrowe> which is better for browsin the web... konqueror or Firefox...
[09:26] <seanpcrowe> lol, thats what i ment
[09:26] <stdin> seanpcrowe: there is not "better"
[09:26] <stdin> !better
[09:26] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[09:26] <seanpcrowe> (its forefox that seems a little buggy)
[09:26] <Azzco> stdin: The one that when you manage repositories you get a list and not the window with options and tabs.
[09:27] <stdin> Azzco: use adept to preform an upgrade and you'll have it
[09:27] <seanpcrowe> kk stdin, i will give konqueror a go and see what i thinks...
[09:27] <Pupeno_M> Having connected to my machine via vnc/nomachine, is there a way to bring a window from one display to another?
[09:27] <Azzco> seanpcrowe: it's mostly a matter of taste, firefox is a bit better due to standards on the web but konqueror is my browser of choice ;)
[09:27] <soc_> hi will the koffice alpha get into gutsy too?
[09:28] <mefisto__> seanpcrowe: firefox has better browsing features imho, but konqueror is much faster, and does much more than browsing, is better integrated in kde
[09:28] <seanpcrowe> ok dudes... thanks for your inputs =)
[09:28] <kalorin`> konqueror messes up a lot of pages though :(
[09:28] <Azzco> stdin: just a normal upgrade? I just did that, I've also replaced kubuntu-desktop with kde.core btw
[09:28] <venik> How do I play .mov movies in Konquorer?  It complains that it cannot find the right plugin for it
[09:28] <mefisto__> Azzco: I think konqueror is more standards-compliant than firefox
[09:29] <stdin> Azzco: no, you must have kubuntu-desktop installed if you want a proper upgrade
[09:29] <Azzco> Oh sorry I meant that websites are sometimes optimised for firefox
[09:29] <winbond> mefisto__, firefox is faster at pretty much all the web related stuff
[09:29] <stdin> firefox is slower than konqueror...
[09:29] <Azzco> stdin: oh
[09:30] <winbond> stdin, at what?
[09:30] <mefisto__> winbond: yeah but it takes much longer to start up. but it does render pages a bit quicker than konqueror
[09:30] <venik> I can play .mov movies in FireFox, but not in Konquorer
[09:30] <stdin> winbond: web browsing, what else
[09:30] <Azzco> I really don't like firefox. I prefer being able to do most tasks from that program
[09:31] <facugaich> Hi, I accidentally set the update notifier to not auto-start, how do I fix this?
[09:31] <winbond> stdin, no
[09:31] <stdin> facugaich: press alt-f2 and put in adept_notifier
[09:32] <ubuntu_> All right, perhaps someone can help me.  When I try to boot up I get this error message.
[09:32] <ubuntu_> Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0
[09:32] <stdin> winbond: yes, it's statically linked with some modified gtk libs and has a much higher memory footprint
[09:32] <ubuntu_> ldm_validate_partition_table (): Disk read failed
[09:33] <facugaich> stdin: thank you
[09:33] <inaety> how can i use spanish characters within kubuntu
[09:33] <stdin> winbond: not to mention it's memory leak "problem"
[09:33] <inaety> from a US keyboard
[09:34] <stdin> inaety: set your local and keymap to spanish in system settings > Regional & Language
[09:34] <inaety> stdin: but i only want to use them on occasion.  i dont want to change it from my primary language - english
[09:36] <venik> How do I play .mov movies in Konquorer?  It complains that it cannot find the right plugin for it
[09:37] <ubuntu_> Hey, whenever I try to start my computer I get this error message....Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 0        ldm_validate_partition_table (): Disk read failed
[09:37] <kubuntu_newbie> uhm i still got this problem :( "(emerald:5845): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_drawable_unref: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed"
[09:37] <stdin> inaety: what characters? like    
[09:37] <stdin> ubuntu_: that generally means the disk is bad
[09:37] <mefisto__> venik: are you trying to play a file, or is it embedded in a web page?
[09:38] <kubuntu_newbie> what o.O the disk uhm
[09:38] <kubuntu_newbie> eh
[09:38] <kubuntu_newbie> xD
[09:39] <ubuntu_> stdin, I figured that, but I can't make sense of it.  Sometimes it will start right up with no problems
[09:39] <Lynoure> !gutsy
[09:39] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[09:41] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: that's the way it often goes - disks will start flaking out, not just suddenly and completely die
[09:41] <ubuntu_> mefisto, so it would probably be a good idea to try and run off of one of my external HDs for now?
[09:42] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: see if you can find a disk diagnostic tool from the drive's manufacturer
[09:42] <stdin> it'll probably be a good idea to makes backups now, then get a new disk
[09:44] <ubuntu_> stdin, thanks for your help.  I already backed up a long time ago.  I just got back from a trip a few weeks ago so I didn't have too much stuff on my HD that I cared about.
[09:44] <ubuntu_> All right, I'm off to try and fix my computer.  Ugh, I hate working on the insides of computers.  I prefer code.
[09:44] <cloakable> heh
[09:46] <kubuntu_newbie> when i start emerald, in the console it means "(emerald:5845): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_drawable_unref: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed"
[09:47] <kubuntu_newbie> i reconfigured xserver
[09:47] <winbond> stdin, yeah it might be slower starting up or using more ram, but it renders html way faster than konqueror
[09:52] <kubuntu_newbie> help :(
[09:53] <winbond> stdin, plus firefox has great plugins,
[09:53] <stdin> winbond: which is another reason it slows down
[09:53] <winbond> stdin, only on startup
[09:54] <kubuntu_newbie> can anybody help me?
[09:55] <paulatreides> depuis ce soir avec kubuntu 7.10 64 bits , disk&filesystem remarche :-)
[09:55] <paulatreides> hello, sorry if i speak french
[09:55] <kubuntu_newbie> when i start emerald, in the console it means "(emerald:5845): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_drawable_unref: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed"
[09:55] <paulatreides> kubuntu_newbie:  hello
[09:55] <kubuntu_newbie> hi
[09:55] <BluesKaj> !fr | paulatreides
[09:55] <ubotu> paulatreides: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:56] <paulatreides> yes i know
[09:56] <BluesKaj> ici , en anglais :)
[09:57] <kubuntu_newbie> :( emerald doesnt work
[09:57] <kubuntu_newbie> anybody here?
[09:57] <BluesKaj> !beryl
[09:57] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:57] <winbond> stdin, it can easily eat up a 160mb but for systems with 1gb ram or more this is nothing
[09:58] <tobias> Anyone can tell me whats the Command in konversation to open the RemoteScriptEditWindow? (It is Alt+R in windows - mIRC)
[09:59] <stdin> winbond: more than that "7188 stdin     15   0  236m 111m  38m S  0.7 11.1  20:54.68 firefox-bin"
[10:01] <oxyman> because of that i started using konqueror instead of firefox :-)
[10:03] <winbond> stdin, 236mb? which version of the firefox
[10:03] <stdin> 2.0.0.6+2-0ubuntu3
[10:04] <winbond> stdin, what do u have open?
[10:04] <stdin> winbond:  few tabs, no flash or java stuff
[10:05] <BluesKaj> I switched back from konq to FF , there was something that was slowing it down terribly and I couldn't track it down, and it failed to DL files after a bit ...dunno what happened.
[10:06] <BluesKaj> too many arcane settings in the browser side of konq ...wish it was easier to set up
[10:07] <arkygeek> damn this imac is sweet!  beryl working perfect, sound, graphics, mic, wifi.... just one tiny glitch with web cam to work out, and its 100%  (even the remote works!)
[10:08] <arkygeek> (imac 24")
[10:08] <gib> I like Konq for browsing, but have been using it less and less just because I've been coming across more and more sites that it doesn't render properly.
[10:08] <winbond> stdin, well, i have 17 tabs open, 14 youtube videos playing at the same time, and 7 plugins installed, it maxed out at 430mb, thats not bad i think
[10:08] <winbond> stdin, 2.0.0.7pre
[10:08] <eddjc3> hey all - am having a slight problem with web serving on kubuntu - I have a PDF file on the server that I want to be available as a download but when I click on it externally it says it can't find the file - also I was wondering - how do you configure kubuntu to allow ftp connections?
[10:08] <Black_Monkey> I'd like to use konqueror, but I just keep finding things I miss from firefox :/
[10:09] <arkygeek> firefox is nice.  too bad it is such a huge memory pig
[10:09] <gib> Do you even have  a ftp daemon configured and running?
[10:10] <mefisto__> Black_Monkey: like extensions?
[10:10] <Black_Monkey> yeah
[10:10] <eddjc3> gib: probably not - how does one do such a thing?
[10:10] <Black_Monkey> it's a shame, because I'd like to use a browser that's a native kde app, and integrates with kde...
[10:10] <BluesKaj> !FTP
[10:10] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[10:10] <mefisto__> would anyone use firefox if it wasn't for extensions?
[10:11] <gib> I've never run an ftp server on Kubuntu, but if you open adapt and search on ftp I'm sure you'll find several options.
[10:11] <stdin> !ftpd
[10:11] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd, !MuddleFTPd, !wzdftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[10:12] <Black_Monkey> when I open my ftp site in konqueror, it puts a locked file in each directory saying "your ftp client seems to be broken as it is sending ls arguments on a list command", or something like that
[10:12] <eddjc3> ok.. can anyone reccomend a good one off ubotu's list?
[10:12] <eddjc3> also, will that solve my pdf problem?
[10:12] <Black_Monkey> eddjc3: well other than what I just said, konqueror's fine for me... I prefer just having the file viewer style...
[10:13] <gib> Well, what seem to want is anonymous ftp, so be sure to set it up for anonymous access or it will need people to enter passwords.
[10:13] <emilsedgh> Black_Monkey: in the first days of using konqueror, i missed Firefox too, but now I dont like Fx, konqueror really fits
[10:13] <eddjc3> Black_Monkey: am not looking for a client, I'm looking for a server..
[10:13] <Black_Monkey> eddjc3: oh sorry, misread it
[10:13] <BluesKaj> I've heard ppl talk about vsftpd
[10:13] <eddjc3> np
[10:13] <Tucker87> Hey all, I just installed Kubuntu on this machine and it reconized my XP Installation but when I choose it from GRUB I never get passed "Starting up..." Any Tips?
[10:14] <BluesKaj> !vsftpd
[10:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vsftpd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:14] <mefisto__> it's possible to use both konqueror AND firefox of course. :P
[10:14] <BluesKaj> dumb  bot
[10:14] <stdin> !info vsftpd
[10:14] <ubotu> vsftpd: The Very Secure FTP Daemon. In component main, is extra. Version 2.0.5-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 111 kB, installed size 408 kB
[10:14] <gib> If you want a turorial on setting different ftp servers I'm sure you can find several on http://www.howtoforge.org/
[10:14] <ScorpKing> vsftp is such a great ftp server. easy to use ass well. :-)
[10:14] <ScorpKing> as*
[10:14] <buz> how come kde4 beta2 announcement is not linked on the frontpage? because of mirrors lagging behind?
[10:15] <eddjc3> ok great I'll try all that lot and get back to you guys. Thanks you've been a great help!
[10:15] <Black_Monkey> does anyone know if there's any kind of oxygen theme for firefox planned or being made?
[10:15] <stdin> buz: what front page?
[10:15] <Black_Monkey> buz: because it's not in feisty backports yet, still compiling it and stuff
[10:15] <buz> ah so thats why
[10:16] <buz> apparently it didnt yet hit all mirrors for gutsy eithe
[10:16] <Black_Monkey> stdin: it's not on kubuntu.org front page
[10:16] <BluesKaj> oxygen theme ?
[10:16] <stdin> buz: yeah, for the reason Black_Monkey said
[10:16] <Black_Monkey> BluesKaj: yeah, using the oxygen widget style and icons...
[10:16] <ScorpKing> i missed the vsftpd thing. who needs help?
[10:17] <BluesKaj> oh , window dressing
[10:17] <mefisto__> Tucker87: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows and try reinstalling grub. Read it carefully though, it's not written very clearly
[10:18] <Tucker87> Thanks :-) I have it working on other machines... Just not this one. And it will boot linux :-S
[10:18] <mefisto__> Tucker87: have you tried editing menu.lst ?
[10:18] <PolitikerNEU> When does beta2 of kde4 come out for feisty?
[10:18] <winbond> !firewall
[10:18] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[10:18] <bluch> !apm
[10:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:18] <Tucker87> Yeah, to no avail...
[10:19] <Black_Monkey> ah, found the oxygen firefox theme in the svn...
[10:19] <PolitikerNEU> lol ... guarddog has as description "dictionary"
[10:19] <Black_Monkey> PolitikerNEU: when it's compiled, apparently between a few hours and a couple of days
[10:19] <BluesKaj> !info KDE4
[10:19] <ubotu> Package kde4 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:20] <Tucker87> I can mount my windows partition in Linux but I can't boot into it.
[10:20] <PolitikerNEU> ok ...
[10:20] <mefisto__> Tucker87: has windows crashed/not shutdown cleanly recently?
[10:21] <Tucker87> It ran fine until the Kubuntu install. I havn't been able to boot into it since.
[10:21] <Tucker87> Afraid it got corrupted during the partitioning...
[10:22] <Tucker87> But I can read and write to it in linux though... arg frustrating...
[10:22] <mefisto__> Tucker87: I have a similar problem, but it's with a 2nd (non-system) windows partition.
[10:23] <BluesKaj> Tucker87, what's the boot menu look like or does it just open kubuntu ?
[10:24] <sorush21> the kubuntu distro upgrade tool dosen't work fully.. any ideas ?
[10:24] <mefisto__> Tucker87: I would back up anything you need with kubuntu now
[10:24] <Tucker87> The boot menu has the standard GRUB list. I even added another option to boot into windows using a rootnoverify. If I go down and pick Windows then it just says "Starting up"
[10:24] <sorush21> I just download it and it prompts me to click finish to start the upgrade but nothing happens then
[10:24] <Tucker87> Yeah, I am afraid I am going to have to reinstall
[10:25] <ScorpKing> what is the build-something package again that i'll need to compile stuff?
[10:25] <winbond> sorush21, what do u mean fully?
[10:26] <winbond> ScorpKing,  build-essential
[10:26] <BluesKaj> Tucker87, open kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst and post it in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[10:26] <ScorpKing> winbond: thanks. got it. :)
[10:26] <sorush21> the upgrade tool doesnt' work propely..
[10:27] <BluesKaj> Tucker87, alt+F2 and type that kdesu command
[10:27] <red71> hello
[10:27] <BluesKaj> or copy and paste into the box
[10:27] <sorush21> I can't describe it any more
[10:27] <mefisto__> you don't need kdesu to open it, do you?
[10:27] <winbond> sorush21, how?
[10:27] <mefisto__> only to edit it
[10:27] <winbond> sorush21, what wont it upgrade?
[10:28] <BluesKaj> we ned to edit
[10:28] <BluesKaj> need
[10:28] <BluesKaj> why open it twice
[10:28] <sorush21> the man tool that is automated to download the new version of the distor dosent;' load up after an dupdate .
[10:28] <sorush21> main
[10:28] <Tucker87> BluesKaj, You can just say paste your menu.lst. I have been working with linux for awhile...
[10:29] <winbond> sorush21, are you upgrading from cd or from the net?
[10:30] <BluesKaj> ok Tucker87 good :) forgive my asumption, but one never knows :)
[10:30] <winbond> sorush21, just run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:30] <sorush21> winbond: net
[10:31] <Tucker87> Test...
[10:31] <winbond> sorush21, after sudo apt-get update
[10:31] <Tucker87> Hmm, I can't surf the net but I can type here... odd
[10:31] <sorush21> winbond: I have not done things manually.. as I say the automated tool that informs you that there is a new  version of kubuntu and tries to upgrade and add sources automatically is not working
[10:31] <ScorpKing> Tucker87: tried firefox?
[10:32] <winbond> sorush21, oh , you have to select which packages to update
[10:32] <mefisto__> Tucker87: dns problem?
[10:32] <sorush21> winbond: your just not understanding what I'm saying
[10:32] <waylandbill> sorush21: adept updater?
[10:32] <Tucker87> IDK, it corrected itself
[10:33] <sorush21> waylandbill: yes
[10:33] <winbond> sorush21, i know, u're talking about the adept
[10:34] <waylandbill> sorush21: winbond is telling you the command to do the same but using the backend to adept.
[10:34] <sorush21> winbond: the update tool on the taskbar that is what I'm talking about
[10:34] <mefisto__> sorush21: you said yourself it doesn't work. do it in terminal
[10:35] <sorush21> waylandbill: I don't want to do it manually and, even if I do I do not get the gui that came with the automated distupgrade tool
[10:35] <waylandbill> sorush21: in a konsole doing: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  is the same as using the system tray updater.
[10:35] <waylandbill> however, the command line tools give error output that is useful if something goes wrong.
[10:36] <Tucker87> Sorry 'bout that I don't know what was going on. here is my menu.lst
[10:36] <Tucker87> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36619/
[10:36] <sorush21> waylandbill: well okay that is all very well ... what about my problem where by the automated upgrade tool will not work ?
[10:36] <waylandbill> sorush21: if it doesn't work, then the command line tools may not but may produce an error that may prove helpful.
[10:37] <sorush21> waylandbill: I just did it and it dosen't produce and error..l
[10:38] <waylandbill> sorush21: if the command line update just worked, then try the adept updater in a day or two when it has updates and it may be successful as well.
[10:38] <tobias> Anyone can tell me whats the Command in konversation to open the RemoteScriptEditWindow? (It is Alt+R in windows - mIRC)
[10:38] <sorush21> waylandbill: do you know about the tool that automatically upgrades kubuntu version
[10:39] <waylandbill> sorush21: the dist-upgrade tool or the package updater? which are you referring to?
[10:39] <sorush21> waylandbill: dist-upgrdae tool
[10:40] <waylandbill> the dist-upgrade tool is a work in progress I imagine. bug reports would probably help make it better.
[10:40] <stdin> tobias: RemoteScriptEditWindow ? what's that?
[10:40] <waylandbill> I'
[10:40] <Black_Monkey> tobias: afaik, it doesn't work like that in Konversation, you can't use mIRC scripts
[10:40] <ScorpKing> i'm trying to compile ctorrent but ./configure sais 'error, Please install OpenSSL first!'. i have the openssl package installed. what's going on?
[10:40] <Black_Monkey> tobias: you need to write scripts in python or something, and load them into Konversation
[10:40] <tobias> stdin: heh, I do not know the exact name but it is the window where you can edit scripts for IRC
[10:41] <tobias> Black_Monkey: oh, so there is no IRC-coding possible with linux ?
[10:41] <waylandbill> sorush21: I've looked at that code. The small portion I worked on was written well.
[10:41] <tobias> *with konversation
[10:41] <Black_Monkey> tobias: there is, as I say, writing it in languages such as python
[10:41] <stdin> tobias: you have to write the scripts yourself, or get them from somewhere. and you can't use mirc scripts
[10:41] <Black_Monkey> but the scripting in mIRC was something written for mIRC, and exists just in that program
[10:42] <tobias> okay, I thought it works with all IRC-Programs
[10:42] <tobias> thanks for the informations
[10:42] <tobias> :)
[10:42] <BluesKaj> Tucker87, the entry under title windows at the very bottom puzzles me ...I don't have such an entry , the one above , ending in "chainloader +1" is the std model so to speak
[10:42] <sorush21> well I also have another problem.. my keyboad sometime freezes.. when I logout using the mouse and go into gdm the keyboad starts to work again what could be the problem?
[10:42] <tobias> so 2years of coding with mirc was for ... nothing <.<
[10:42] <Black_Monkey> tobias: mIRC works fine with wine, if you really need the scripts
[10:42] <Doctor_Nick> whats the default www directory for apache 2
[10:42] <tobias> yeap, I thought so already, thanks
[10:42] <waylandbill> sorush21: but that doesn't mean it's complete or bug free. :)
[10:43] <mefisto__> Tucker87: can you afford to lose data on the windows partition? if yes, try running chkdsk from your windows cd in recovery console
[10:43] <Tucker87> It's my brothers computer
[10:43] <Tucker87> So I don't know what I can lose lol
[10:43] <mefisto__> don't chkdsk then
[10:43] <Tucker87> And the last "Windows" Entry was me adding to the menu.lst
[10:43] <Tucker87> Trying to find a setting that would work
[10:44] <ScorpKing> Tucker87: get a puppylinux cd to copy the data off the windows disk.
[10:44] <Tucker87> someone had suggested using the rootnoverify on a forum.
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Tucker87,my pc has the same windows entry ..I'm dual booting with no probs , so i think the bottom entry can go .... stdin, do you agree ?
[10:45] <Tucker87> My other computer has the standard entry and it boots
[10:45] <Tucker87> So I know it can go. I just added it on there.
[10:45] <BluesKaj> I've never seen that before Tucker87
[10:45] <stdin> yep
[10:46] <waylandbill> I've seen rootnoverify before for ntfs partitions.
[10:46] <Tucker87> So outside of a back up and reinstall I am kinda out options... sucks
[10:46] <soulrider> !xorg
[10:46] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:47] <mefisto__> Tucker87: you could backup and try chkdsk before reinstalling
[10:47] <BluesKaj> no Tucker87 , delete the botton entry as suggested , I think it's causing windows to hang
[10:47] <waylandbill> the rootnoverify just replaces the root entry.
[10:47] <BluesKaj> bottom
[10:47] <Tucker87> No couldn't be. It hung before I put that there.
[10:48] <BluesKaj> hmmm bummer
[10:48] <mefisto__> Tucker87: do you have an empty line at the end of menu.lst?
[10:48] <Doctor_Nick> !apache
[10:48] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:48] <Tucker87> Hmm good question. I will check my whitespacing
[10:48] <inaety_> when itry to start compiz-fusion, i lose my window decorations...any ideas?
[10:48] <seanpcrowe> hey peeps, is there a channel for byrel?
[10:49] <seanpcrowe> *beryl
[10:49] <Tucker87> Yeah, there is a blank line...
[10:49] <BluesKaj> !beryl
[10:49] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:49] <waylandbill> ok. rootnoverify tells grub to not attempt to mount the partition. It can make sense if using the chainloader command.
[10:49] <sorush21> Doctor_Nick: /var/www
[10:49] <seanpcrowe> kk tkx
[10:49] <Doctor_Nick> sorush21: is there a good gui manager for apache?
[10:50] <ph4l4nx> hello@all
[10:50] <sorush21> Doctor_Nick: not that I've herd of
[10:51] <Tucker87> Arg, so annoying. I have no idea where his files are all at. They seem to be scattered all over the ntfs drive.
[10:51] <mefisto__> Tucker87: you could also try restoring the windows mbr to see if you can get it to boot at all
[10:51] <mefisto__> Tucker87: it might not be a grub problem at all
[10:51] <waylandbill> sorush21: not that I know of, but the conf directives are well documented.
[10:52] <BluesKaj> !super grub disk
[10:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about super grub disk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:52] <Tucker87> Could be. Got a tutorial? I have never tried to put windows bootloader back on... Gotten it off before lol
[10:52] <BluesKaj> !info super grub disk
[10:52] <waylandbill> Tucker87: recovery console of the windows install cd.
[10:52] <ubotu> super: Execute commands setuid root. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.26.1-1 (feisty), package size 122 kB, installed size 852 kB
[10:53] <BluesKaj> bahh
[10:53] <Tucker87> Right, Where did I put that disk....
[10:53] <gilles> when I install the nvidia driver I have "API mismatch: the client has the version 1.0-9755, but this kernel module has the version 100.14.11" what must I do to solve it
[10:53] <mefisto__> Tucker87: boot from windows cd, go into repair or recovery console. the command is "fixmbr"
[10:53] <waylandbill> Tucker87: boot, bring up the manual recovery, and ask for help. The command will be fixmbr or the like.
[10:54] <waylandbill> the help will give the other supported commands as well.
[10:54] <Tucker87> Alright thanks, I will have to try it later. I have to run some errands first.
[10:54] <Tucker87> Thanks a ton guys.
[10:54] <BluesKaj> good ol' fixmbr :)
[10:54] <Tucker87> Buh' bye :-)
[10:55] <gilles> no one for my problem
[10:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> just arrived, what would that problem be?
[10:56] <gilles> when I install the nvidia driver I have "API mismatch: the client has the version 1.0-9755, but this kernel module has the version 100.14.11" what must I do to solve it
[10:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> how did you install the driver?
[10:57] <gilles> I have download the driver on the nvidia website
[10:58] <gilles> and install it
[10:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> that was your first mistake.
[10:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> !nvidia
[10:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> read that and do what it says :)
[10:59] <gilles> Daisuke-Ido: ok
[11:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> it will save you a world of headaches, trust me
[11:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> i used to go the download from site/install route.  i had to recompile the kernel module every kernel update, and it just turns out that using the nvidia-glx package has a whole lot less headaches
[11:02] <BluesKaj> seems we gave him the same advice yesterday
[11:08] <stdin> deviance: don't use nick change on away
[11:09] <deviance> Sorry, Its set to do that in the client, and I haven't got round to changing it
[11:09] <deviance> Changed :D
[11:09] <stdin> deviance: good good :)
[11:12] <caesar_> how do I clear my recent documents history?
[11:12] <sehe> caesar_: kcontrol, privacy
[11:12] <seanpcrowe> do i have to restart X after installing beryl?
[11:12] <sehe> seanpcrowe: depends
[11:13] <seanpcrowe> mmm, i installed beryl, and i am in the manger options now, most things are enable but no fancy effects yet
[11:13] <sehe> seanpcrowe: not strictly (just use beryl-manager to switch wm). THough, if you had to configure a GL extension to X for the first time, which islikely, you'll have to retart X
[11:14] <sehe> retart* = restart
[11:14] <seanpcrowe> switch wm sehe??
[11:14] <sehe> just use beryl-manager.
[11:14] <sehe> !wm | seanpcrowe
[11:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:14] <sehe> haha
[11:14] <sehe> *wm =windowmanager
[11:14] <caesar_> thanks sehe
[11:15] <sehe> caesar_: btw. with me (updated kicker/kickoff) I have a clear 'history' right at the top of my recent documents submenu...
[11:15] <svu> how would I enable mp3 ripping in kaffeine?
[11:15] <sehe> svu: i think it should automatically work after installing lame
[11:16] <deviance> How do I install MP support for Amarok;
[11:16] <svu> sehe, I have just installed lame - still only ogg :(
[11:16] <sehe> svu: sudo apt-get install lame
[11:16] <sehe> svu: funny, lemme see for myself :)
[11:16] <caesar_> sehe. Hm. I just installed Kicker a few days ago. I don't see what you were talking about
[11:16] <deviance> What package is MP3 again?
[11:16] <seanpcrowe> ok sehe... thanks dude =)
[11:16] <waylandbill> !mp3
[11:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:16] <sehe> caesar_: i have the update from the Suse project.
[11:17] <sehe> caesar_: it's like a preview - i suppose the features will be mainstream kde in the future
[11:17] <waylandbill> it's not lame. It's libxine-extracodecs
[11:17] <caesar_> hm. The recent history isn't showing my recent applications, also. Do I have to run them from the icon, or is something off?
[11:18] <waylandbill> oh. kaffeine ripping. that's lame. guess I should'
[11:18] <waylandbill> ve scrolled up.
[11:18] <svu> waylandbill, thanks, I'll try
[11:18] <caesar_> @sehe
[11:18] <sehe> caesar_: i suppose, the recent applications should be in a separate area in the start menu (it is with me). again, i use a slightly modified kicker version from standard kubuntu
[11:19] <deviance> Adept just crashed, when I start it it tells me I wont be able to install new programs, how do I unlock it?
[11:19] <sehe> caesar_: you could see if you can find an option that's disabled, by rightclicking the menu and scanning the config settings
[11:19] <caesar_> sehe. I got mine from kde-look.org. I'm actually running Ubuntu with KDE installed.
[11:20] <spider> DFSFFA
[11:20] <spider> HOLAAAA
[11:20] <mahdi_> what option would i set to get conky to display along the top of the screen?
[11:20] <caesar_> I'll try that. Any other ideas where there might be a cord unplugged?
[11:20] <spider> efefssfs
[11:20] <stdin> !es | spider
[11:20] <ubotu> spider: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:20] <sehe> caesar_: ok - you might have the same version. anyway, ymmv, scan the config (KDE is big at options).
[11:21] <svu> waylandbill, libxine-extracodecs installed. still kaffeine offers only ogg
[11:21] <spider> gracias
[11:21] <spider> thank you
[11:22] <svu> waylandbill, any other way to rip mp3? kioslave audio:/ copies 0-size mp3s (and valid oggs) :(((
[11:22] <linuksamiko> hej, I just wanted to install kde4 b2 but the packages in the backports are (still) b1
[11:22] <sehe> linuksamiko: there you said it.. good luck compiling :) and #ubuntu+1
[11:22] <stdin> linuksamiko: yes, it'll be a while
[11:23] <caesar_> "KDE is big at options" which is why I like it :).
[11:23] <sehe> caesar_: who doesn't (at least from us ppl here :D)
[11:23] <linuksamiko> sehe: it was announced on kubuntu.org that it would be in backports for feisty
[11:24] <linuksamiko> stdin: then I probaply have to wait a few hourse / days
[11:24] <sehe> linuksamiko: ok i missed the news then. but still, it could be a while
[11:24] <stdin> linuksamiko: it will, it's building now, hopefully done tonight
[11:25] <caesar_> heh. KDE knows that a frustrating lack of buttons takes more time to figure out than a search bar ;)
[11:25] <linuksamiko> stdin: cool, I need to try the new kvoctrain. The version right now is pain in the
[11:27] <caesar_> sehe. No luck finding anything in the config about recent apps.
[11:28] <deviance> stdin: When I tried to install libxine1-ffmpeg it told me that it could not commit the change
[11:28] <deviance> Any ideas why??
[11:28] <stdin> deviance: try with apt-get maybe
[11:29] <deviance> What would the command be?
[11:30] <stdin> deviance: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[11:30] <deviance>   sun-java6-jre: Depends: sun-java6-bin (= 6-00-2ubuntu2) but it is not going to                                                                                                    be installed or
[11:30] <deviance>                           ia32-sun-java6-bin (= 6-00-2ubuntu2) but it is not ins                                                                                                   tallable
[11:30] <gilles> Daisuke-Ido: have you an explanasion of this problem
[11:30] <deviance> Ah Java cloged it up
[11:30] <stdin> !paste | deviance
[11:30] <ubotu> deviance: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:31] <deviance> How can i sort that out?
[11:31] <deviance> Sorry
[11:31] <deviance> Will apt-get -f install work?
[11:31] <stdin> deviance: try it out
[11:32] <gilles> Daisuke_Laptop: do you have an explanation of this problem
[11:32] <deviance> stdin: I have a blue screen and I need to press ok, but I can seem to press it? Or get my cursor to it
[11:32] <deviance> Ah done
[11:32] <deviance> tab :P
[11:33] <stdin> yep
[11:33] <deviance> That worked
[11:33] <deviance> Back to MP3 install :D
[11:33] <Doctor_Nick> hell yeah
[11:33] <Doctor_Nick> ampache is workin'
[11:34] <stdin> deviance: if you want to rip MP3s, try "audiocd:/" in konqueror and go in to the MP3 folder, then just copy and paste (assuming you have the CD inserted)
[11:34] <deviance> Ok :D
[11:34] <deviance> I was just tying to get amarok to work :P
[11:35] <stdin> deviance: ahh, then that package is the one you want :)
[11:35] <deviance> :D
[11:41] <ScorpKing> amarok needs libxine-extracodecs to play mp3's :)
[11:41] <stdin> ScorpKing: not in feisty+, that's just a transitional package
[11:42] <ScorpKing> that's what i use in feisty.
[11:42] <ScorpKing> oh i see
[11:42] <ScorpKing> lol
[11:42] <stdin> :)
[11:42] <stdin> moves mp3 support from multiverse to universe, which is nice
[11:45] <spider> hello i am from spain,...
[11:46] <stdin> spider: there is a spanish channel at #kubuntu-es if you want to speak spanish
[11:46] <spider> i have a question: do you know how  can i personaliza konqueror with difereents wallpapers in diferents windows?
[11:47] <spider> yess i know that but no one knows that
[11:47] <drif> spider: you mean virtual desktops?
[11:47] <danielronin> stdin:  i fixed the making ext3 problems i was having making ext3 partition. i just made an ext2 and activated journaling =)
[11:47] <stdin> heh
[11:47] <danielronin> just wanted to thank you for assistance, and ask if you could help me with GRUB settings to find a distro installed to that partition
[11:48] <danielronin> ah nvrmind, #ubuntu is more active, ill try there
[11:48] <spider> no,that i want to say is the imaage that youu can see in the window,for defect is white but we can chage to other ccolor or iimage...
[11:49] <xp_killer> stdin: how do the tool for searching search?if im looking for a file name naruto,and i type naru in the search tool will it show me the file naruto?
[11:49] <stdin> danielronin: normally you can just copy one of the ubuntu menu entries and modify the title, root, kernel and initrd entries
[11:50] <stdin> xp_killer: Kmenu -> Find Files/Folders
[11:50] <spider> i know how i can change and put an immage, but when i try that i see thaat image in all the windows, aand that i want to do is only  in some of one
[11:50] <stdin> spider: not sure you can, try asking in #kde
[11:50] <ordinor> how do I switch to a console only runlevel and back again?
[11:51] <spider> thanks stdin
[11:51] <stdin> ordinor: logout, then go to console, login there and type "telinit 1" then when done "telinit 2" to get back
[11:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> ordinor: what are you trying to do, first?
[11:52] <ordinor> I want to make some changes to my xorg.conf
[11:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> because this sounds like someone trying to install nvidia drivers
[11:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah
[11:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> you don't have to change runlevels
[11:52] <stdin> ordinor: you don't need to do that in console mode..
[11:52] <spider> but i think i can because i saw that in capture images that you can see diferents windows with diferets  "wallpapers"
[11:52] <stdin> ordinor: "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf", edit it, logout and restart X
[11:52] <ordinor> what If I'm used to doing it that way and that's the way I want to do it?
[11:53] <stdin> ordinor: if you want to do it the other way, I just told you how :)
[11:53] <ordinor> will try, thanks
[12:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> evening, stdin
[12:00] <stdin> hey :)
[12:00] <tsb> Skype always starts for me, I can always hear the others, but they can only hear me sometimes - usually nothing. I've compared alsamixer to when it works and doesn't work, and they are identical. I've also disabled skype's automatic volume settings. What is wrong?
[12:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> i just read the info on ati
[12:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> they're looking like a better option all the time
[12:02] <danielronin> stdin: can i make it work without the initrd option?
[12:03] <ScorpKing> spider: u still there?
[12:04] <stdin> danielronin: depends on the distribution, if they don't ship one, then you don't need it
[12:04] <danielronin> ok thanks. i just made some changes to menu.lst, added the boot option, i'm gonna give it a shot now
[12:05] <stdin> Daisuke_Laptop: they are only opening the specs, not the drivers
[12:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> since the specs will be open, that will make a free 3d driver that much easier to implement, though
[12:06] <xevil> I just installed Feisty and am having an issue with Konqueror... it appears to be a permissions thing as I can only get Konqueror to browse the internet as superuser... anyone have an idea how to fix this?
[12:07] <stdin> Daisuke_Laptop: depends if it's the full specs, or just the 2d functions
[12:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> why the eff would you want to browse the net as a superuser?
[12:07] <xevil> who said I want to?
[12:07] <Kr4t05> SuperUser!
[12:07] <Kr4t05> Awaayyyy!
[12:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> okay, that post could be taken two ways
[12:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> apparently you meant it the way i didn't take it
[12:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> it could be "i want to browse the net as su and only konqueror will let me" or "i want to browse the net, but all i can use is konqueror, and only as a superuser"
[12:08] <xevil> IRC works fine as a user, but Konqueror returns an error when run as a user that It can't connect
[12:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah ha
[12:09] <Kr4t05> xevil: Try resetting networking.
[12:09] <stdin> what exact error?
[12:09] <stdin> that may help us diagnose
[12:10] <xevil> Could not connect to host http://www.google.com/.
[12:10] <xevil> that is basically it
[12:10] <xevil> I am on a dialup currently
[12:11] <ordinor> no luck.  it hung after telinit 1 on the blue kubuntu screen with the status bar.  I waited a long time then shut it down with ctrl-alt-del
[12:11] <spider> i am still here, yess
[12:12] <dthacker-lt> xevil: what happens when you browse as a mere mortal?
[12:13] <ordinor> I got to console mode ok.  Did I need the telinit 1 ?
[12:13] <xevil> that is the error I get when attempting to browse as a user... that is what leads me to think it's some bizarre permissions thing
[12:13] <ScorpKing> spider: open a few tabs and in each of then go to View -> Configure Background. set a background for each tab.
[12:13] <stdin> ordinor: you have to do Ctrl-Alt-F1 to tell usplash to go away after it stops
[12:14] <ordinor> I think I'll try it again without the telinit 1
[12:14] <spider> i am going to do that
[12:15] <xp_killer> stdin: it doesnt find the avi movie files it seems
[12:16] <ScorpKing> ordinor: the only way to get to runlevel one it seems is to boot into it from the grub menu.
[12:16] <ordinor> stdin:  I thought that I tried that and that ctrl-alt-F1 did not work.  I may not be remembering that right
[12:17] <stdin> ordinor: I'm not 100% on that, I always disable the usplash option
[12:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> try alt-f8 as well
[12:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> ctrl-alt-f8 that is
[12:17] <ordinor> what's on f8 ?
[12:17] <stdin> changes to tty/vt8
[12:18] <ordinor> any reason for f8 to be there when f1 is not?
[12:18] <ScorpKing> stdin: if usplash is enabled going down to runlevel1 doesn't work. on my box at least...
[12:19] <ordinor> Did I find a bug?
[12:19] <stdin> ScorpKing: for some it does, for some it doesn't, you can always try "sudo killall -9 usplash" first
[12:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> doubtful
[12:19] <ScorpKing> stdin: i'll try that next time. it used to work in 6.10.
[12:20] <ordinor> no process killed
[12:21] <spider> ScorpKing,i have proved that but that doesnt work
[12:22] <ScorpKing> spider: it works for me but you have to be in file manger mode.
[12:22] <ordinor> does logging out and going to console not put the computer in runlevel 1 ?
[12:22] <ScorpKing> *manager
[12:22] <ScorpKing> ordinor: no.
[12:22] <ordinor> oh
[12:24] <ScorpKing> ordinor: the only way you're gonna get there is when the computer starts up - press <ESC> and select the second option in grub. if you don't want to do it that way disable usplash in /boot/grub/menu.list
[12:25] <ordinor> well, ya gotta do what ya gotta do
[12:25] <ScorpKing> yip
[12:27] <ordinor> file changed, rebooting
[12:27] <spider> yes i am in file maneger mode, and i can do what i asked, but when i explore otther site in the same window the iimage is thee same
[12:28] <spider> the image is not only for the direectory i change before
[12:30] <ScorpKing> spider: there is an option to put a hidden config file in each directory to control the way it behaves but i can't remember where i've seen it.
[12:32] <Dhraakellian> how long will it be before KDE4 beta2 is in feisty-backports?
[12:33] <ordinor> that worked, there was more going on than what i'm used to, but it worked.  Thanks
[12:33] <stdin> Dhraakellian: a while
[12:34] <ordinor> I wonder what it would take to set up a multiuser, no X, runlevel
[12:34] <ordinor> like on a server
[12:34] <Dhraakellian> stdin: and I'm guessing that the more people ask, the slower the packaging systems compile?
[12:34] <ScorpKing> ordinor: an alternative install cd.
[12:34] <stdin> Dhraakellian: no, but it seems like it :p
[12:35] <stdin> ordinor: not much, just remove the kdm link from /etc/rc3.d/ and then runlevel 3 is a multiuser, no X runlevel
[12:36] <spider> i saw in my directories a hidden file which name is .directory, maybe i must to edit it?
[12:37] <ScorpKing> spider: i'm not sure. let me check.
[12:37] <ordinor> not change it to K99kdm ?
[12:37] <zengen> Hi, I think I went about getting my keyboard to work the wrong way.  I read that to get it fully supported I need to compile it into the kernel.  I did this.  Reading further on it turns out this was only for the 'special' keys.  My problem is that that number pad and function keys do not work.  Does anyone have a suggestion?