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squeeI just installed tribe 5 on one of my laptops and when I try to upgrade to the latest version HAL gives me an error "failed to open connection to system bus".  Dbus is failing to start.  I dont see anything on launchpad about this, does anyone have any idea on what I can do to get dbus running?01:27
crimsunby "latest version," do you mean current gutsy?01:28
squeecrimsun:  yes01:28
crimsunif so, it works fine here01:28
squeecrimsun:  It works fine on my other laptop as well, but not the xubuntu one.01:29
squeealright I guess I'll try feisty on that laptop then01:39
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gonzoismi got some patches to apply to the kernel.  how do i get the source ubuntu uses ?   and do i need to apply patches from ubuntu to it ?01:46
sparris it bad that im getting kernel segfaults while doing dist-upgrade?01:49
sparr[rhetorical] 01:50
gonzoismmaybe a better question would be: i ran sudo apt-get install kernel-package then cd /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22.10-generic/ &&sudo cp /boot/config-2.6.22.10-generic .config      now if i config'd saved, and built would i have the same kernel as stock gutsy kernel i'm using now ?01:50
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gonzoismi wish my name was buttercups.  maybe i can get it changed...01:58
buttercupsyou wish01:58
buttercupsdo you watch powerpuff girls01:59
gonzoismno01:59
gonzoismi would if i had cable.  i'm lucky to have lights way out here....01:59
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xORhi02:19
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sheldonHello, I just installed the openssh-server on here and I cannot connect remotely to it.  There is no firewall either. Please help02:24
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sparrafter a gutsy dist-upgrade, firefox tells me "The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded" when i try to close a tab by middle clicking on it.  can anyone duplicate that?02:25
crimsunI can't.02:26
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sparrkonqueror is behaving much less fluidly also02:29
sparrwhen i move photos out of a folder, the entire folder view is blanking then refreshing02:30
sparrand shift+click in konqueror in preview mode is selecting weird groups02:30
sparrand konqueror wont 'view' jpegs any more?1?02:31
sparrit opens gimp (or one of a dozen other editors, my choice)02:31
sparrlike half the view modes are gone02:31
sparrthis is funked up02:32
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sparri think someone made some mistakes in gutsy's kde packages02:33
sparrvery recently02:33
sparrmy tablet running gutsy from 2 weeks ago doesnt look anything like this02:33
Hobbseedoes the problem still occur when you move ~/.kde out of the way, and restart x?02:37
sparrill check.  but this isnt a configuration issue02:39
sparrkonqueror has fundamentally changed02:39
sparrthere are new sidebars, different types of views, a different top bar layout02:39
sparrit could be that my old config doesnt play nice with the new konqueror, and ill try removing .kde to check that, but this seems deeper02:40
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roewhat is the ubuntu way to burn a data CD?02:42
sparr<bob>reboot!</bob>02:43
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Toma-roe: Places: CD/DVD Creator?02:55
Toma-or grab gnomebaker <302:55
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sparrnew kde seems to be missing "walk through windows (all desktops)" shortcut...  help?03:04
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tattersanyone had problem with second hard drive after recent updates?03:19
tattershal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 100003:21
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funkjaHow do I find a module that isn't installed? I am running Tribe 5 and am trying to load the module piix to make my DVD drive work, but I'm told Module piix is not found.03:36
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spazhey all04:14
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spazmapp: you remember t install that was broken04:15
spazs/t/my/04:15
spaz?04:15
spazwell i found the problem04:15
spazi just fscked the drive04:15
spazand my god, i dunno how the heck it was doing as well as it was O_o04:15
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spazthought i'd let you know that04:16
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kousotuanyone know how I could FTP to an xbox360 hooked on on Lan dirrectlyto my wireles Laptop?04:45
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scizzo-woho....got xgl going just fine on the machine now04:48
kousotuscizzo-: congrats?04:50
RAOFscizzo-: that'd be "sudo aptitude install xserver-xgl", right? :)04:50
kousotuanyone know how I could FTP to an xbox360 hooked on on Lan dirrectlyto my wireless Laptop?04:51
=== rvalles sees xgl pointless with current hardware
RAOFrvalles: You obviously don't use nvidia hardware :)04:52
rvallesbetter use plain xorg's xserver plus AIGLX04:52
rvallesRAOF: I curiously use nvidia hardware x3.04:52
RAOFThen you don't care about resume-from-suspend?  Or do you just not use desktop effects?04:53
rvallesand I still think that AIGLX works way, way, way, way better04:53
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rvallesthan xgl, for desktop effects.04:53
=== rvalles finds it to be the opposite.
scizzo-RAOF: mostly for doing it auto in gdm and so on04:54
scizzo-RAOF: the install of package is no problem...its the automation that is the problem for me mostly04:54
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derekSi am having an issue with where my notifications (from libnotify) show up. I have 2 monitors, i want them to show up on the right one, but they show up on the left one. is there a setting somewhere?04:55
scizzo-rvalles: well the xgl server is actually working better for me in gutsy so..04:56
scizzo-kousotu: no.....have never tried to do that04:56
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t0phr3hi all04:58
Kousotuanyone know how I could FTP to an xbox360 hooked on on Lan dirrectlyto my wireless Laptop?04:58
scizzo-Kousotu: no04:58
scizzo-Kousotu: www.google.com04:58
scizzo-Kousotu: :)04:58
Kousotuscizzo-: I looked,found nothing helpful04:59
t0phr3I cannot burn gutsy to a CD, i have tried everything that everyone has suggested and the disks are still corrupt04:59
scizzo-Kousotu: then maybe you can't?04:59
t0phr3PCLinuxOS burns fine, Dream Linux burns fine...but Ubuntu gutsy is always corrupt05:00
scizzo-t0phr3: tribe 5?05:00
Kousotuscizzo-: I'm sure it's possible05:00
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Kousotuscizzo-: I just need help doing it05:00
rvallesscizzo-: gentoo here... gutsy just on a laptop :)05:00
t0phr3scizzo-: any tribe05:00
t0phr3scizzo-:they all fail05:00
rvallesscizzo-: that laptop is ati-based... and works better with free drivers (200M... only from git.)05:01
scizzo-rvalles: you are not a full blooded ubuntu freak? damn you!05:01
rvallesscizzo-: I'm not a full blooded anything freak. I am a free mind :)05:01
scizzo-rvalles: I remember when the fglrx drivers was cause big fuzz....that was a lot of fun.....really long time ago though05:01
scizzo-rvalles: a nerd?05:02
scizzo-rvalles: :D05:02
scizzo-t0phr3: sounds weird05:02
scizzo-t0phr3: you trying to burn it in windows or some other system?05:02
rvallesscizzo-: here fglrx -> 3d crashes sometimes (gnash and webbrowsing = crash within the hour) and no STR.05:02
scizzo-t0phr3: checked the md5 sum?05:02
t0phr3scizzo-: windows, linux, different PCs05:02
t0phr3scizzo-: MD5SUM is fine every time05:03
rvallesscizzo-: a disaster... so happy the free driver finally accelerates it.05:03
scizzo-t0phr3: hmmmm sounds really crazy05:03
scizzo-rvalles: hehe... :)05:03
t0phr3scizzo-: works great in virtualbox05:03
scizzo-rvalles: apt-get moo05:03
t0phr3scizzo-: if i burn the iso, the cd is corrupt05:03
rvallesscizzo-: emerge moo :)05:03
scizzo-rvalles: that works in gentoo also?05:04
scizzo-rvalles: haha05:04
scizzo-t0phr3: then I would suggest you to get feisty and try to burn that05:04
scizzo-t0phr3: then use the update-manager to get gutsy if you really feel up for it05:05
rvallesscizzo-: of course, larry the cow loves gentoo after all.05:05
scizzo-rvalles: haha05:05
scizzo-rvalles: someone must have been a little bored doing that... :D05:05
t0phr3scizzo-: feisty is fine...thats how i got gutsy on my machines now05:05
scizzo-t0phr3: well....can't really seem to find out why it would fail to burn the iso05:06
rvallesscizzo-: naw, they were happy working on portage itself and so added it in the meanwhile05:06
rvallesscizzo-: imagine the ego boost.05:06
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scizzo-rvalles: haha05:06
t0phr3scizzo-: if PCLinuxOS failed then i would feel so bad about it but its just gutsy05:06
t0phr3scizzo-: wouldn't*05:07
scizzo-t0phr3: check if someone might have reported it as a bug05:07
scizzo-t0phr3: however...the strange part is actually that all the tribe versions gets corrupt05:07
t0phr3scizzo-: well, tribes and dailies05:08
scizzo-t0phr3: my best suggestion is that you check the bugzilla05:08
scizzo-t0phr3: if nothing there seems to give you any result...then maybe its time to do a bugreport...:P05:09
scizzo-t0phr3: sorry...I am not that good with iso stuff05:09
t0phr3scizzo-: you mean launchpad?05:09
scizzo-t0phr3: yeah05:09
t0phr3scizzo-: k05:10
scizzo-t0phr3: best suggestion I have really05:10
scizzo-t0phr3: I am not a developer05:10
scizzo-t0phr3: so dont know that much really05:10
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slaviktribe5-amd64 livecd won't boot on core2quad, gives a message that kernel is alive, gives another line about kernel in mempatch and then black screen05:27
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Stevodoes anyone know what might be causing my screen to go black (like it turned off black) at bootup?  i can hit ctrl+alt+bckspc and the CLI shows briefly.  i eventually have to power down via the power button.  the CLI is shown at that moment as well, but for only a moment.05:29
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Nighthawk420_hello everyone05:30
Nighthawk420_i was sent here by nickrud of #ubuntu to get a copy of gutsy05:30
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nickrudhey, pelo sent you, I said it might be a good idea ;)05:31
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=== pwnguin has finally packaged up titanion for gutsy
Nighthawk420_lol wat ever hehe05:31
pwnguindeb     http://ppa.launchpad.net/jldugger/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse05:31
Nighthawk420_that for me?05:32
pwnguinto everyone living dangerously enough to install software from strangers ;)05:32
pwnguinbut not you direclty05:32
Nighthawk420_wat is it?05:33
Nighthawk420_im trying to get gutsy asa a last resort cuz fiesty wont work05:33
Nighthawk420_and we ahve tried everything05:33
pwnguinwell get tribe 505:33
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IdleOnepwnguin: what is it?05:35
pwnguinIdleOne: it's a space shooter game, like galaga05:35
IdleOne:/ cant play games on this old machine. not nearly enogh ram05:36
pwnguinit should be pretty light on ram05:36
pwnguinbut it does need 3d05:36
IdleOneenough either. I have so little ram that I cant even type all the leters in wrds05:36
IdleOne:P05:36
IdleOneno 3d :/05:36
pwnguin(it might even work without 3d hardware, but i sorta doubt it)05:37
pwnguini used to run a different game by the same guy on a k6-2 with 192 mb of ram05:37
IdleOnewell i got 192mb ram05:38
IdleOnep305:38
=== IdleOne gives it a shot
pwnguinbut the 3d is likely end of story05:38
IdleOnewhat was the other game and is it packaged?05:39
pwnguinrrootage05:39
pwnguinshould be packaged05:39
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IdleOneyup it is05:41
pwnguindebhelper is pretty nifty. as is the patching system05:41
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hydrogenheh05:46
hydrogenmake -j is bad05:46
hydrogen:)05:46
pwnguinis good!05:46
DanaGAack, I've just now experienced the brokenness that is bcm43xx.05:46
DanaGWPA2 doesn't work.05:47
pwnguinbe lucky you connect at all!05:47
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DanaGAnd this cardbus card's newest Windows drivers only support WPA1.05:47
DanaGEven if I use WPA1, the connection is slow as hell.05:47
DanaGIt's not a big issue because I have wired anyway, but it's a learning experience -- now I know what everybody complains about.05:47
IdleOnepwnguin: I cant play rrootage graphics are way to slow :/05:47
pwnguinIdleOne: then titanion's likely out of the question05:48
IdleOneyup05:48
IdleOneI need to upgrade this machine05:48
pwnguintoo bad intel doesnt make discrete cards05:48
IdleOneor maybe just setup a webserver and get a new machine05:48
DanaGIsthere any way to find better Windows drivers to use under ndiswrapper?05:50
roeanyone else have an issue with the spell check of OOo05:54
HobbseeDanaG: check which chipset, and search by chipset #05:57
Hobbseethere are a nice lot of marvell drivers out there that i used for a while05:57
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Adlaion an amd64 machine running gutsy, keyboard shortcuts don't work, the window manager doesn't use the focus settings I've created, and the titlebar is a bit messed up (doesn't show everything)06:13
AdlaiI have a feeling this is a problem with gnome-settings-daemon, but I'm not entirely sure06:14
Adlaihas anyone seen something like this before, or know how I could get more debugging information?06:14
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sparrjust had my first data loss due to gutsy's unstable-ness06:28
sparr:(06:28
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fignewsparr, playing with fire ;)06:31
fignewawwww06:31
thumperI'm getting boot failure with the following message after upgrading: [time]  device-mapper: table 254:2: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed06:31
thumpereven on the safe-mode boot options06:31
randy026I know that this is for "effects" but  How do I make windows quit "snapping" to the edges in compiz-fusion?06:34
randy026no one there is alive lol06:34
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DanaGaack, gnomevfs can't connect to my router's embedded ssh server.06:41
DanaGgnomevfs-info on the URI gives this, after the password prompt:06:42
DanaGError: I/O error06:42
DanaGWow, that's helpful.  :P06:42
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sparrcan anyone confirm that gutsy konqueror 'rotate' function on xcf images (gimp's format) destroys the file?06:45
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ironmatarim about to install gutsy due to the fiesty install not working with cedega and everything for eve -online   is there anything anything at all i can do to garuntee myself a properly working OS that wont be bugged in 2 days or a month or whatever...i had a xp install run for 3 years plus on my last system  befoer the system died  and so far easy ubuntu has been nothing but a non/partly funstioning headach06:59
ironmatarfiesty is suposedly a flawless working system with cedega which is supposed to be easy to use    so why am i ahveing this headach07:00
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RAOFironmatar: Dunno.07:01
RAOFBut Gutsy at this point is unlikely to be your answer.07:01
ironmatari want my comp back and my gameing entertainment back   i have a decent system  msi k9n platinum sli  gigbyte 8500 gt w 512 mb cache 2 gb ocz memory  wd 16mb cache 250 gb hd   so i dont understand how that could be a problem07:03
ironmataramd dual core 380007:04
ironmatariv tried both live cd iso's and the alt iso's for fiesty07:05
ironmatariv had this install running for 4 days now without issues  but iv not tried to imstall the vid driver or the updates  which so far Always borks my install07:06
ironmatarmy friend has suggested a computer shop might help  but how many are conversant with linux07:07
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ironmatari dont understand why the install breaks when i add the updates and the vidio driver07:08
ironmatarwhat can i do"?07:09
ironmatari dont have 200 bucks to go spend on another micoblows xp cd07:09
randy026ironmatar, you do know that gutsy is a alpha OS right?07:10
ironmataryes  but fiesty is not working for me  and after following help advice for weeks and not getting anywhwere except another re-install of fiesty  i need something that works  paying for cedega  and my time is burning up and the blasted os wotn stay in one piece07:12
randy026ironmatar, and from what I hear eve online has a linux port07:12
ironmatarits in the beginnign stages  and transgameing are the ones working on it07:13
randy026I see..07:13
nanonymei've heard eve online works on wine though07:14
ironmatarmeanwhile i need a os that works with cedega07:14
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randy026so whats the problem with installing cedega?07:14
ironmatarif fiesty wouldent break every time i update it  id be a lot farther ahead07:15
ironmatarbut ever time i apply the 119 updates   its borked agian07:15
ironmatari attempted to apply the updates in blocks   that did not work either07:16
ironmataras some blasted updates are linked to others07:16
ironmatarcedega installs and is supposed t5o work flawlessly with eve  yet iv never gotten to the login screen  it starts up and 30 seconds later the intro screen blips away and notheing happens07:19
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ironmatar so what can i do07:20
ironmataris theer some kind of order to installing things im missing here?07:20
nanonymemaybe cedega is broken and you should send a bug report?07:20
ironmatarafter messing around with this for like 3 weeks now iv narrowed the problem i am getting in gernal on my install to the update packages07:22
ironmatarsome people ahve suggested its my vidio card in general  though i cant understand why even though i ahve to full manuel install the driver07:23
Adlaisparr: I remember that happening even on non-gutsy07:23
sparrvery very very bad07:23
sparralmost cost me some signed photos07:23
sparrnow...  backups!07:23
Adlaiyeah, I'm _very_ wary of "auto-rotate" features after that07:24
RAOFironmatar: "Full manual install the driver"?07:24
Adlaif-spot photo manager seems to do a nice job07:25
RAOFThis seems a bad idea, one that will make updates likely to break.07:25
Adlaiso does imagemagick, but we knew that already =P07:25
nanonymetrue, better idea to make install packages oneself if you need newer drivers...07:25
Adlaispeaking of newer drivers07:26
ironmatar  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop  sudo sh NV tab complete  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start07:26
Adlaiwho else bought an nvidia card two weeks ago because they were sick of awful ati support07:26
Adlaiand is incredibly pissed at their timing, given amd's announcement today07:26
ironmatarsthat kind full amuel install07:27
nanonymehmm, i must have missed the announcement07:27
nanonymewhat was that about?07:27
AmaranthAdlai: dude it'll be a year before you get anything useful from amd's announcement today07:27
Amaranthnanonyme: o_O07:27
AdlaiAmaranth: really?07:27
Adlainanonyme: they're promising decent support07:27
Amaranthnanonyme: full specifications for their r500 cards07:27
ironmatar and cedega says that a good install    passed all tests07:27
nanonymeah07:27
Amaranthnanonyme: and a 'framework' 2d driver by the end of the year07:27
AdlaiAmaranth: why do you say a year?07:28
Adlaidid they say that?07:28
AdlaiI had a few months stuck in my head07:28
AmaranthAdlai: Because they aren't going to work on it07:28
AmaranthAdlai: They're going to release this stuff and leave it to the xorg community to finish it07:28
nanonymeAmaranth, sounds good considering it's quite possible drivers for intel cards pass both nvidia and ati with the current rate :)07:28
AmaranthWhich is fine, that's all we've ever asked for07:28
Amaranthnanonyme: if intel (or someone else) put as much effort into the linux drivers as the vista drivers you'd be surprised how powerful an x3100 is07:29
Amaranthpowerful enough that from what i've heard aero works best with intel07:30
nanonymeheh07:30
Amarantheven though the ati and nvidia stuff is supposed to be way faster07:30
AdlaiAmaranth: sure, the open source drivers will take a while07:31
ironmatarso i dont know what i am doing wrong with the installing  as i get a good install from cd then i run in terminal  apt-get update  upgrade and install build-essential  then the video driver and thinsg seems fine  n i hit the updats  and its ruined andlong long period of carerfulling installing work07:31
Adlaibut I'm not _that_ intense about free software07:31
AdlaiI'll be happy with proprietary drivers that support everything07:31
AmaranthAdlai: oh, fglrx with texture_from_pixmap is about a month away07:31
Adlaiyeah, everything I read said 2007 Q407:31
nanonymeAmaranth, well, we can't really expect proper drivers from them with all the game producers targeting windows07:31
Adlaiwhich is about upon us07:31
ironmatarso i rippd the gutsy iso to cd n thought id try that07:32
Adlaialright, it's tea time07:32
Adlaicheers07:32
nanonymeo/07:32
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ironmatarso am i missing anything important in my install methods?07:33
ironmatari went by housecall to get a hd scan but that dosent work without the flash plugins and evrything i hvent even tried to install yet07:35
Adlaiwhat did...07:37
Adlaiwait07:38
Adlai_what_?07:38
Adlaiyou're trying to scan your hard drive07:38
Adlaiwith flash07:38
Adlaiplease explain this to me07:38
ironmatarHousecall is symtec's online viris scanner    it pwnzrz just about every viri or trojan ever invented07:39
ironmatargoogle it07:39
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ironmatari love the thing   its updated constantly evr day07:39
ironmataranytime iv suspected a problem of that kind i go there07:40
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Adlaibut...viruses don't exist on linux07:41
ironmatarhowever if u suspect your irc program has become infected i also suggest  #nohack on dalnet if it still exsists07:41
ironmataryou really belive that?07:42
nanonymeAdlai, worms do07:42
Adlaiain't no worms on me07:42
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nanonymemaybe not but the claim that there are no viruses for linux sounds like ignorance07:43
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Adlaisorry?07:43
nanonymeit's just not true07:43
nanonymeafaik the first viruses were written for *nixes, after all07:44
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AdlaiI usually assume people are smart enough to disbelieve any sweeping generalization, at least a little bit07:44
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Adlaia fairly foolish assumption, but I like it07:44
RAOFnanonyme: It's just that there are, as far as I'm aware, no linux viruses "in the wild".07:44
ironmatar4 rules of alpha city  1 keep your laser handy  2 trust no One 3 TRUST the computer 4 the Computer! is your friend!07:45
nanonymemight be true. although running chkrootkit on crontab might be a good idea in any case07:45
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AdlaiI'm also constantly amazed at how critical most people think their system is07:46
Adlaihonestly, if someone hijacked my computer, I really wouldn't care07:46
nanonymea system doesn't need to be critical to be hacked07:46
nanonymemost hacked computers are nowadays used for ddos'ing critical systems07:46
Adlairight, I just wouldn't really mind07:46
ironmataryou would when the fed showed at yer door07:46
Adlaiif I noticed, I would reformat07:46
Adlaiif not, so be it07:47
nanonymeit's not your computer that matters, it's your internet connection07:47
Adlaimy computer's extra cycles are getting used for something at least07:47
nanonymethe computer is just the body that each zombie must have07:47
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Adlaipersonally, I think ISPs should be responsible for that07:47
Adlaiif they allow malicious traffic to get to my computer and infect it07:48
nanonyme...07:48
bluedAOL will help you with that07:48
RAOFIt's not malicious traffic.07:48
AdlaiI shouldn't be the one held responsible if my computer starts generating malicious packets that they then transmit07:48
nanonymeyeah, they should rather cut all connectivity if they think you're being hacked07:48
scheater6Has anyone managed to get 2.6.22-10-rt (the real time kernel from the gusty repos) working on Fesity?07:48
nanonymethen see when your uptime drops to 2 hours a day07:48
ironmataryou really wnt your isp to be able to cencor what you do on the net?07:48
RAOFscheater6: I haven't even been able to get it to work on *Gutsy* :)07:49
jussi01scheater6: not me persoanlly, but I know others that have07:49
jussi01scheater6: it does not have restricted driver support07:49
Adlaisure, it's not feasible07:49
scheater6raof: well, that's encouraging!07:49
RAOFscheater6: To be fair, that's cause I wanted my nvidia drivers, which don't build against it.07:50
scheater6jussi01: I don't particularly need restricted driver support, at least I'm pretty sure I don't.  I just need the newer kernel because of my sound card.07:50
AdlaiI just don't like the idea that my grandmother sets up her computer and connects it to the internet, and a few months later gets served for computer fraud or something07:50
jussi01scheater6: what sort of graphix cord you have?07:50
jussi01!offtopic | Adlai07:50
ubotuAdlai: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!07:50
scheater6jussi01: dear lord...this is going on a dinosaur that I've turned into a digital audio workstation...I'm pretty sure it's integrated graphics, therefore I'm going with Intel.07:51
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jussi01scheater6: lol, ok then... :)07:51
scheater6jussi01: the trippy thing is, the generic kernel installs fine, but the rt hits a dependency problem - or at least what seems like a dependency problem07:52
jussi01scheater6: maybe try posting on the rt sticky  under Multimedia Production section on Ubuntu forums07:53
scheater6already done07:53
ironmatargood install from cd then i run in terminal  apt-get update  upgrade and install build-essential  then the video driver and thing seems fine  n i hit the updates  and its borked agian   with fiesty   am i doing anything wrong here ?07:53
jussi01ok, no joy then...07:53
ironmatarsequence problem?07:55
jussi01scheater6: try jumping into #ubuntustudio - if abogiani comes in, corner him....07:55
scheater6jussi01:  This is apparently a very weird problem, or else no one but me seems to care.  Apparently few are running an Audiophile 192 sound card on ubuntu studio and has figured out that only the newer kernels support it.07:55
scheater6jussi01: thanks for the name.  I've been asking on that channel for a few days now with no answer.07:56
jussi01scheater6: yeah, sounds weird. have you tried it on a different machine??07:56
scheater6jussi01: it's my only desktop at the moment07:56
scheater6I know the card has issues with Linux.  The icensamble driver didn't work right with it until 2.6.21, and it wasn't fully supported until 2.6.22-907:57
ironmatar any ideas from anyone ?07:59
jussi01scheater6: I need to go... work calls. I'll be back on later, if you are around07:59
DanaGWhen I try the -rt kernel, dbus doesn't work.07:59
DanaGIt's odd.07:59
scheater6jussi01: probably not tonight, but thanks anyway.  I'll be around later in the week07:59
jussi01scheater6: send me an email with the errors. jussi01 at gmail . com08:00
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scheater6will do08:00
ironmataris my problem so hard i ghought at least in here i could find some answers08:02
scheater6ironmatar: doesn't mean your problem is that hard man, just maybe no one who is paying attention knows how to fix it.  It's asking a room full of random people a very specific question - maybe it's the wrong time or the wrong place.08:03
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/4142708:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 41427 in ubuntu ""slow keys" can turn on surreptitiously & cause confusion." [Medium,Incomplete] 08:05
scheater6I've asked the question about the real time kernels you just saw me and jussi talking about in various channels and forums for weeks with  not a single response until now.  Such is the beast of community help.  If I understand your explination right, it's a problem with feisty.  try asking in #ubuntu08:05
DanaGCompletely unrelated to any present conversation, but I just ran into it again.08:05
DanaGIt's quite extremely annoying.08:07
ironmatariv pent weeks of my entertaiment time  attempetng to get Easy! to use ubuntu and  iv been suggested to try gutsy   my system ought to run my fairly uncomplecated requirements of this os with out hassles08:07
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bluedfirst thing I'd do if your frustrated is document everything on a webpage.  Starting with what you do to build the system, then include the errors your seeing.  A detailed list of the hardware as well.  That lets you point people to your page and give them an idea of what the issue is.08:09
bluedplus, if anyone else is having the problem, once it's solved the page would be a good resource for them :)08:09
ironmatarif it matters i run a corp ingame with several billions in assets and 10+ members and there are a lot of thinsg already requireing my attiention  hassels with the os and just getting ingame is not one of them08:12
Hobbseeironmatar: it doesnt sound like you should be running gutsy.08:14
Hobbseefor multiple reasons.08:14
ironmatarthen i should just ignore the 119 updates?08:16
Hobbseethen you should go back to feisty, or use another distro.08:16
Hobbseeor if cedega is the problem, then contact them.08:16
DanaGPlus, if it works fine on Windows, it may be worth it just to make Windows work well and consistently.   And then do everything else in Linux.08:18
DanaGI run games in Windows, because I don't want to deal with Wine and/or Cedega.08:18
DanaGBut I do all my web browsing in Linux, because the windows font rendering gives me bloodshot eyes.08:18
ironmatari would be useing my xp cd now except for the fact that they have broken it by removing sp1 from the updates scheg as its a original xp home cd08:19
DanaGIs it an OEM disk, locked to a specific system?08:20
DanaGIf not, you should be able to use any XP Home cd to install, and just use your product key.08:20
ironmatarand in 4 days my case was shuffeled between 6 diffrent departments and 20 people until i dident know who to talk to08:20
ironmatarit installed just fine but they have wgav now that installs befoer the updater and borked it08:21
DanaGIf you still have a working (as in, not damaged) XP CD, you can slipstream SP2 directly into it, so it'll install without dealing with WGA, and with SP2 already installed.08:22
DanaGThough that's a topic not so relevant to this channel.  The website http://www.msfn.org/ can help.08:22
DanaGI usually like to keep both Windows and Linux on my system -- if one breaks, you can use the other to research how to fix it.08:23
DanaGOh yeah, where can I find recent BCM4306 (cardbus) drivers to use under ndiswrapper?08:35
DanaGThe drivers I'm ndiswrapping (yay, new word) are from 2004.08:36
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matsalkahi, does these tribe updates come also by dist-update?08:47
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RAOFmatsalka: Yes.  Because a tribe is just a snapshot.08:49
matsalkaok08:49
matsalkathen i should have the latest08:49
RAOFIndeed.08:49
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ironmatarhttp://ca.archive.ubuntu.com    who is running this site?  and why is it so slow?08:55
matsalkais it slow?08:56
ironmatarit regularly posts dlods to me at under 30kb a sec08:56
ironmatarsometimes as bad as under 10k08:56
matsalkaPLEASE, DON'T ABUSE OUR SERVER !!!08:57
matsalkaIf you got to this page, your are likely from one of the countries (many from past USSR countries or China) that are frequently abusing and overloading our server.08:57
matsalkalol08:57
ironmatari hit the beginning od get apt update pack for that part and the dload just dropps off08:58
matsalkadl speeds around 30 KB/s for me08:59
matsalkayou can always use another archive08:59
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se7en^Of^9if i have 2 computer do i have to update both or is there a way to download the upgrades only once10:53
pvandewyngaerdeyou can copy the content of the folder /var/cache/apt/archives/      to the other machine10:57
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jscinozHas alsa been fixed to work on the santa-rosa platform in the .10 kernel?11:17
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Eq|workjscinoz : possibly for you.. it's gone backwards for me.. it used to recognise the card, just not work.. now it does neither.11:20
Eq|worki do remember that my sound chipset is different from yours.. mine is sigmatel.11:20
jscinozyeah, mine worked in .9, but nothing in .1011:20
Eq|worki'm just referring to .1011:20
jscinoztried recompiling alsa drivers from normal source, mercurial, and alsa-source package11:21
Eq|worki get the same behaviour in .10 now as i did in .9 - bupkis.11:21
Eq|workbut just after .10's release i got /something/11:21
jscinozthe ones compiled from alsa-source package are the only ones that the module will load with, the others give unkown symbol11:21
Eq|workjust no sound.11:21
Eq|workdid you run depmod -a ?11:21
jscinozwell now, if i modprobe snd-hda-intel it loads with no errors, but asoundconf returns no devices11:21
jscinozyes i ran depmod -a11:21
Eq|workwhat if you insmod it with the module parameter you had to use? the 3stack thingy11:22
jscinozi did11:22
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Eq|workiirc modprobe isn't very good at passing those options from the command line.11:22
jscinozwhat command should i use for insmod?11:22
jscinoz"sudo insmod snd-hda-intel model=3stack-6ch"?11:23
jscinozeq?11:25
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Eq|workyeah, try that11:26
jscinozsays file not found11:29
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Eq|workah, yeah11:29
Eq|workyou need to be in the module dir11:30
Eq|workand i think you may need to specify the module filename..11:30
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jscinozah11:32
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jscinoz"error inserting, already exists"11:32
jscinozdid an rmmod snd-hda-intel, now insmod returns unkown symbol11:33
Jordan_Ujscinoz: What are you trying to do / what was the original problem?11:34
jscinozALSA wont run on the .10 kernel on a santa rosa laptop11:35
Jordan_Ujscinoz: Is this a known bug? If so can you link to it?11:35
Eq|worki think it depends on the chipset11:35
jscinozthe module loads correctly with "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=3stack-6ch"11:35
jscinozI've been told its a known bug, but i cant find it on launchpad11:35
jscinozgive me a sec11:35
jscinoznope cant find it11:37
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Jordan_Ujscinoz: You should file one, by whom were you told it was a known bug? Do you remember?11:39
jscinoznope11:39
jscinozsomeone in this channel11:40
jscinozthey said it was common to all santa-rosa laptops, that they couldnt run alsa with snd-hda-intel post .10 kernel11:40
Eq|workdon't remember anyone saying that myself.. though i haven't paid that much attention11:40
jscinozgah i hate this11:42
jscinozwait...11:42
jscinozi just ran a dmesg | grep -i "hda" and noticed something suspect.. "[ 2406.732000]  ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/hda/../../alsa-kernel/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:1020: hda-intel: no codecs initialized"11:43
jscinozapparently i need a codec of some kind :P11:43
Jordan_Ujscinoz: Sounds similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/12030511:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120305 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Cannot modprobe snd-hda-intel following upgrade to Feisty" [High,Triaged] 11:43
Eq|workironically, afaict my sound should work..11:44
jscinozyeah i saw that, but i can actually load the module11:44
jscinozi just dont get any sound or any cards listed in asoundconf11:44
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Eq|workjscinoz : which was your sound chipset?11:46
jscinozone sec11:46
jscinoz00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)11:46
Eq|workyeah, that's not enough info11:46
Eq|workit says that for mine as well11:46
Eq|worki happen to know mine is a sigmatel11:46
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jscinozhang on let me check what it said on the config page when i bought it11:48
jscinozgah i doubt this will help, but according to dell its a software card "Sound blaster HD codec" or something like that11:49
Eq|workodd..11:49
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Eq|workif you go to the support section of their site and put in the service tag, what does it say it is?11:50
jscinozcant tell you right now, dont have the tag handy11:52
jscinozits an XPS m1330 if that helps you11:52
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jscinozbe right back, need to restart X11:53
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jscinozhey again11:59
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Eq|workjscinoz : mine is a sigmatel stac 92xx..12:01
jscinozis it working?12:04
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Eq|workjscinoz : no.. but from what i've seen in launchpad it seems it ought to be12:08
jscinoz>_<12:08
jscinozgames are so boring without sound12:08
Eq|workand according to dells website, that's what you get in the m1330 as well12:10
Eq|workthough i had to choose vista as the os to get that info out of them..12:10
Eq|workuseless gits that they are12:10
Eq|workjscinoz : try it with model=ref ?12:11
jscinozalright one sec12:11
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jscinoznope12:12
jscinozstill no cards listed12:12
contrast83jscinoz: did the work on any other linux installs?12:12
jscinozit worked on the .9 kernel12:12
Eq|workcontrast83 : it worked with the .9 kernel..12:12
jscinozit hasnt worked since .1012:12
contrast83oh ok... was gonna suggest disabling the onboard sound in the bios if there is any - that's what i had to do - but i doubt that's it.12:13
Eq|workcontrast83 : it's a laptop.. there's ONLY the onboard sound12:13
contrast83oh ok. sorry, came in late.12:14
Eq|worknp12:14
Eq|workjscinoz : looks like we're now both having the same problem12:14
jscinoz>_<12:14
jscinozthings are so boring without sound12:15
Eq|worki may have a look into it a bit later.. but reencoding a dvd atm, so in the wrong os12:15
Jordan_Ujscinoz: Eq|work You should confirm the bug report that one of you has of course mande ;)12:15
Eq|worknot made one.. figured someone else would, and wasn't that concerned at the time12:15
jscinozi'd rather not file one right now, i'm half asleep, id sound like an idiot12:15
Eq|workheh12:15
Eq|worki'll have more of a look into it later, then file one if it's still not working.. else i'll file one w/ workaround12:16
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jscinozslightly off topic but, any of you guys know how to have a checkbox on a table in java?12:17
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ikoniavery off topic12:19
jscinoz:P12:20
dns_56i am trying to compile git compiz-fusion but i need x11-xcb, do i need to rebuild the x packages or something?12:22
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mon^rchwonder how long before x gets fixed... it's kinda annoying to have to disable compiz to play a game or watch a screensaver12:31
Eq|workmon^rch : that's not an X issue12:32
mon^rchoh?12:32
Eq|workit's a compiz/gfx issue12:33
mon^rchwhat then?12:33
Eq|workmostly compiz12:33
mon^rchok ty fyi12:33
Eq|workcompiz uses the 3d acceleration of your card, leaving it unavailable for anything else to use12:33
dns_56any idea if there are packages for x11-xcb, which is a build dep for compiz from git12:33
nanonymebtw, please don't have compiz on in gutsy by default when it gutsy goes stable. some people wanted that to happen, can't understand why :/12:34
nanonyme-it12:35
mon^rchcos it's really pretty? :/12:35
Eq|worknanonyme : afaik it's going to be.12:36
Eq|workit's not hard to turn off though12:36
nanonymesigh12:36
mon^rchand makes vista's desktop effects look a little primitive...12:36
dns_56it is improving and getting more stable but not stable enough12:36
Eq|workdns_56 : look through the xorg packages..12:36
nanonyme13:33 < Eq|work> compiz uses the 3d acceleration of your card, leaving it unavailable for anything else to use12:36
Jordan_Unanonyme: Why not have it on by default?12:36
nanonymethat's the reason12:36
Trewashttp://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2007/08/redirected-direct-rendering.html <- that extension is needed to X to make windowed opengl apps usable with compiz12:37
Eq|worki have to admit, i do agree with nanonyme on this one..12:37
Eq|workTrewas : and what about fullscreen stuff? or did they finally fix that?12:37
TrewasEq|work: I don't know if the problems with fullscreen apps are fault of compiz or drivers, but that does not need new X extensions to work12:39
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Trewasmany apps can use 3d acceleration at the same time, so one compiz using it all the time does not prevent others from using it too12:40
Eq|workTrewas : last time i used compiz for more than 30s it took your 3d card and left it so that nothing else would detect hardware 3d capabilities12:41
jscinozI find to the contrary trewas, if i run anythign else with 3d acceleration while compiz is running, x restarts it self12:41
elmargolIs there a specific time set for the Tribe CD 6?12:41
Eq|worksee the topic12:41
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Jordan_UEq|work: That is not Compiz but XGL12:42
Eq|workJordan_U : i should mention it was around a year ago that i last looked at it much12:42
Eq|workpossibly more12:43
Jordan_UEq|work: XGL was a hack, AIGLX is not. Everyone but people with ATI cards now use AIGLX, and ATI is *finally* adding support for it in fglrx too now.12:43
Eq|workabout time.12:44
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Jordan_UThings have come a LONG way since then :)12:45
Eq|workheh12:46
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ikoniaJordan_U: an interesting think is that some key distros still use xgl - and some xorg errors still reference aiglx as "xgl"12:49
ikonias/think/thing12:49
Trewasheh, compiz does not even start anymore even though the intel driver is supposed to be one the few which actually works12:50
Jordan_Uikonia: I havn't seen any errors referencing aiglx as XGL12:50
ikoniaJordan_U I'll try to dig a few out12:50
ikonianot many, just a few subtle ones12:50
Jordan_Uikonia: I am glad that the phase of calling desktop effects "XGL" is over :)12:51
ikoniaJordan_U I still see it every now and then12:52
Eq|workTrewas : 's working fine for me on the intel driver12:53
Eq|worki wonder if i can install straight off the graphical installer yet.12:53
Trewas"Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing" which exists according to glxinfo12:54
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crdlbTrewas, glxinfo|grep direct12:55
yaccini tried adding styleclock to my kicker applet and my xserver crashed \o/12:55
crdlbTrewas, it needs to actually appear in "GLX extensions"12:56
crdlbanywhere else doesn't count12:56
Trewascrdlb: direct rendering yes, but apparently that extension is only mentioned in "server glx extensions" and "client glx extensions"12:57
crdlbindeed12:57
crdlbdid you compile compiz from source?12:57
Jordan_UTrewas: ATI ?12:57
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Trewascrdlb: no, whatever is in gutsy, it used to work a month or so ago12:58
crdlbTrewas, try this: LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz --replace ccp12:58
crdlbshouldn't be needed with packages though (because of the wrapper script)12:58
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jscinozwhat does the ccp do?01:01
Trewascrdlb: didn't work either... not that I care much, when it last worked compiz did not offer anything for me above metacity and breaks keyboard shortcuts etc01:01
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uliveHi :01:11
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uliveI'm running tribe 5 and I'm having problems installing the system due to the refreshing of the devices when partitioning.01:12
uliveso I decided to download and install the alt. version01:12
uliveNow I've downloaded it and I want to burn it01:12
ulivebut the LIVE cd won't release the cdrom drive..01:12
uliveis there any way to bypass this so I can burn my CD?01:12
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Eq|workyou can't boot off the livecd and burn something01:16
uliveEq|work: okay :(01:16
Eq|workyou could try doing the partitioning by hand with the livecd, then using the livecd as normal01:16
ulivewhat do you mean using the live cd as normal?01:16
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uliveEq|work: ok.. I'll have to find a way to repair the grub so I can boot in windows and burn it there.01:19
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Ayabarahey. I have a problem with thunderbird on gutsy. when I open some mails it crashes without a trace, while for others it opens fine..01:21
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arjaycdoes anyone know why sound juicer disappears when i hit the 'edit profiles' button?02:02
hyljeit probably got an error02:02
hyljethats one thing that should get improvement02:02
snadgewill the new ati drivers make it in time for gutsy?02:02
arjaycno errors messages get displayed it just goes silently,  would an error be logged any where?02:03
hyljei dont know how gui apps tend to do it02:04
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arjaycok thanks02:05
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hyljetry running the app in console02:06
hyljeit gets the output02:06
arjaycyeah just tried02:06
arjaycsegfault02:06
hyljeouch02:06
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slytherinWho handles gutsy Alternate CD ISOs?02:26
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Amaranthslytherin: no one here02:29
Amaranthslytherin: they're automatically built02:29
Amaranthslytherin: like i said, the daily ISOs are almost always oversized02:30
Amaranththey get trimmed down around a release02:31
slytherinAmaranth: Yes, i wouldn't be concerned if the sizes for both arch were close. Assuming that difference is due to some firmware included for 32 bit release, 16MB is still large.02:31
Amaranth16MB is nothing02:32
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Amaranthalthough usually the amd64 one is the bigger one02:32
slytherinAmaranth: Anyway, I will keep watch.02:32
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contrast83Greets, everyone...02:36
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contrast83Is anyone here using Splashy?02:36
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hyljehmm how do i install .debs i downloaded02:58
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hyljecommand line preferably02:58
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Belboz99hey all, I hate to ask a stupid question, but what time and time zone is Tribe 6 being released?02:58
Belboz99and would there be any difference if I simply updated Tribe 5?02:59
HobbseeBelboz99: it wont be, see the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list02:59
HobbseeBelboz99: usually in european timezones, as that's when most of the release team is up03:00
Belboz99thought so03:00
Hobbseeand no, there wouldnt03:00
Belboz99thanks03:00
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slytherinhylje: sudo dpkg -i file.deb03:03
hyljethanks03:03
hyljei just managed to look it up at the very second :P03:03
slytherinhylje: The package might be dependent on some other packages as well. Check that before installing03:05
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squeHi!03:08
squeDid anyone managed to play DVD's from gutsy?03:08
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mewthi everyone03:09
squeI think i tried everything, I install libreaddvd3, libdvdnav, I executed /usr/share.../install_css.sh03:09
Telepsque: hmm I just installed libdvdcss2 and w32codecs from medibuntu repos and dvds work fine03:10
squeffmpeg.. everything.. but totem keeps complaining that he cant play DVD and every other program just dont play (mplayer, vlc)03:10
squeTelep, I did that too :S03:10
mewtcan I pick an itch with someone ? why does gutsy insist installing a -386 kernel to install nvidia-glx-new ?03:11
squeTelep: at medibuntu whuch channel do you use? gutsy? or the previous? feisty?03:11
mewtit renders me smp-less :(03:11
Telepgutsy03:11
squeTelep: me 203:11
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squeTelep: so it is my fault! I should keep up searching then...03:12
squeTelep: which program do you use? totem? or vlc?03:12
mewtanyone ?03:12
elmargolIs there a way to resize a alternate cd image?03:12
Telepboth worked fine03:12
squenice...03:13
elmargolthe iso i downloaded is oversized for my media :(03:13
Picielmargol: Oversized? It shouldnt be.03:14
elmargolhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/gutsy-alternate-i386.OVERSIZED <-03:15
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hydrogenwell03:16
hydrogenwhy did you download the one that explicitly says oversized?03:16
PiciYes, that is my question as well.03:16
elmargolbecause it is the only one avaiable03:16
hydrogenhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/gutsy-alternate-i386.iso03:17
PiciI see plenty of other files there.03:17
hydrogenif you want an alternative03:17
elmargolthats the same file :D03:17
Toma-elmargol: you could remaster it and strip the FOSS software from it03:17
hydrogenah03:17
hydrogenyea03:17
hydrogenso it is03:18
hydrogenthats why its daily rather than the file one :)03:18
Picielmargol: Is there any reason you need the daily iso?03:18
elmargolNo I just build it using jigdo. and the packages for tribe 5 arent anymore on the server :(03:18
slytherinelmargol: That is the issue I was discussing a while ago. In any case you don't need to burn it to use it.03:19
Toma-hydrogen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization just skip the customization part and delete the WIndows software03:19
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sam1338does the gutsy install cd support and enable modification of lvm partitions yet?03:26
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sam1338i dont want to have to repartition my hard disk03:26
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slytherinsam1338: install as in 'Alternate CD'? The one with text installer?03:27
sam1338either03:27
sam1338slytherin whatever lets me install ubuntu onto lvm03:27
Ayabarahey. gutsy is supposed to have better support for using 2 screens, right? I have a Lenovo R60 in a docking station and and external LCD. With the default drivers I only got picture on the LCD. When I installed the restricted ATI drivers I get the same image on both. Is there an easy way to setup "dual screen" or "big desktop"?03:28
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Ayabarashould I use aticonfig for that purpose?03:28
sam1338Ayabara use the ati control center03:28
slytherinsam1338: I think the Alternate CD does support it. Don't really remember. It has been a long time since I installed Ubuntu03:28
Ayabarasam1338: there is a control center? yippi :-)03:29
sam1338i could really do with a guide to installing ubuntu onto lvm03:29
Pici!lvm | sam133803:29
ubotusam1338: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO03:29
sam1338Ayabara yeah the catalyst control center though it pails in comparison to the nvidia setings tool03:30
Ayabarasam1338: ok. do I have do download from ati's site?03:30
sam1338Ayabara cant remember i havent used ati for a while03:31
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mewtdamn 112mb of updates :/  hehehehe03:33
slytherinAyabara: Isn't there a display config tool in System->Administration? It should help I guess. But I neither have ati not dual screen03:33
lucasvohm, I just dist-upgraded to gutsy... I did that before. But it somehow trashed my X.03:33
slytherinlucasvo: Which card?03:34
lucasvoslytherin: ati r25003:34
sam1338does anybody know if gparted detects lvm partitions?03:34
Ayabaraslytherin: hey. there it was. I looked in the wrong place03:34
lucasvoslytherin: dapper manages to configure it just fine.03:35
slytherinlucasvo: a simple 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and then a restart should do I guess. Tell mw if it doesn't.03:35
lucasvoslytherin: I already did that03:35
lucasvoslytherin: I get the same error: no screens found03:35
sam1338the alernate install cd uses an installer similar to the debian command line installer?03:35
slytherinlucasvo: What was the version of Ubuntu previously?03:36
slytherinsam1338: yes03:36
lucasvoslytherin: 6.0603:36
lucasvoslytherin: there was an error while upgrading03:36
lucasvodpkg --configure -a won't work03:36
sam1338slytherin so is the partitioner exactly the same as the debian netinst partitioner? if so then i should have no problems03:36
slytherinlucasvo: What error?03:36
lucasvoslytherin: well, that list is quite long. all sorts of X packages fail to configure03:37
slytherinsam1338: Yes, that is what I believe. But look for second opinion03:37
sam1338slytherin ok thanks03:37
slytherinlucasvo: Did you try to do 'sudo apt-get -f install'?03:37
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lucasvoslytherin: yes03:38
slytherinlucasvo: No errors?03:38
lucasvoslytherin: unmet depends03:38
slytherinlucasvo: For which package?03:38
lucasvoslytherin: libxdmcp603:39
sam1338im now waiting for tribe 6 to be released so i can install ubuntu03:40
lucasvoslytherin: perl, xserver-xorg-core03:40
slytherinlucasvo: Se if you have package ubuntu-desktop (or k/xubuntu-desktop depending on your DE) installed. If not do it.03:40
lucasvoslytherin: fails03:40
slytherinlucasvo: same error?03:40
sam1338does anybody know what time tribe6 will be released?03:41
TelepArgh, Thunderbird keeps crashing on me03:41
lucasvoslytherin: yes03:41
Picisam1338: Check the release schedule in the topic03:41
lucasvoTelep: there's a bug about it, I had the same problem03:41
Teleplucasvo: does it simply freeze with you too?03:42
lucasvoTelep: I can't tell you which #, it's rather odd to use w3m :)03:42
lucasvoTelep: yes, there are several different bugs.03:42
sam1338Pici it says the date but not the time03:42
lucasvoTelep: mine freezes immediatly after the start03:42
Picisam1338: When its done.03:42
Teleplucasvo: ok thanks for the info03:42
Telepyeah03:42
lucasvoTelep: there's another one with random crashes03:42
Teleplucasvo:  with me it works for a while but then when I go back to it after a couple of minutes it's frozen03:43
lucasvoslytherin: any idea?03:43
slytherinlucasvo: What is version of libc6?03:43
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lucasvoslytherin: 2.6.1-ubuntu303:44
slytherinlucasvo: Do one thing. Try removing all the packages that give you unmet deps. Do an apt-get update and then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop03:45
lucasvoslytherin: ok I will try03:47
mewtwhy does nvidia-glx-new install a -386 kernel ?03:47
mewtcan it be used on -generic ?03:47
mewthaving to use a -386 kernel loses me my smp support03:49
lucasvoslytherin: It looks like I'm not even good enough for this simple job... Uhm, when I try to remove them, apt spits me out a 3pages long list of dependency problems03:49
slytherinlucasvo: How are you trying to remove?03:51
lucasvoslytherin: apt-get remove ...03:51
slytherinmewt: File a bug03:51
slytherinlucasvo: Leaving the machine as it is in current state, can you paste output of apt-get install -f in pastebin?03:52
lucasvoslytherin: I can try03:53
lucasvoslytherin: try this: http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/apt.txt03:54
lucasvoslytherin: were you able to open it?03:57
slytherinlucasvo: yes, I am checking errors.03:58
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slytherinlucasvo: Also can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list?03:59
mikedep333hey, how do I update all packages on my system without X?03:59
Eq|workapt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade03:59
Eq|workthough try and avoid the last one if possible03:59
Eq|workie just do: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade03:59
mikedep333thanks03:59
Eq|workthat assumes you're running as root (sudo bash)03:59
mikedep333I know03:59
lucasvoslytherin: same path, but sources.list filename03:59
Eq|workjust making sure :)03:59
mikedep333I thought dist-upgrade was only to go from one release of ubuntu to another (ie feisty to gutsy)04:00
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Eq|workyes and no04:00
mikedep333I would have tried to  update ubuntu-deskop but that didn't show up in aptitude04:01
slytherinlucasvo: Try what I say one by one and tell me if there is any error.04:02
slytherinlucasvo: apt-get install x11-common04:02
lucasvoslytherin: yes, will do04:02
mikedep333*ubuntu-desktop04:02
Eq|workmikedep333 : had you done an update from the sources.list beforehand?04:03
lucasvoslytherin: perl depends on perl-base >= 5.8.8 but 5.8.7 is to be installed04:03
mikedep333Eq|work: I don't know what you mean04:04
lucasvoslytherin: there's also an error with perl-modulse(depends on perl-base=04:04
mikedep333I have managed my sources.list04:04
mikedep333and I have upgraded everything on my system from synaptic04:04
mikedep333*managed the .list before04:04
lucasvoslytherin: and x11-common depens on xserver-xorg(>=7.9.12) but only 7.0.0 is to be installed04:05
slytherinlucasvo: I think I know the problem. Somehow, some packages have moved from main to universe in dapper to gutsy. Enable universe repository in your sources.list. do apt-get update and then try apt-get -f install again.04:06
mikedep333it seems like over the last few months the ubuntu repo servers go really slow one second (like 5KB/sec) and then plenty fast (like 150KB/sec) the next04:06
slytherinmikedep333: Which server?04:08
lucasvoslytherin: ok, I'll try it out04:08
mikedep333well04:08
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mikedep333well, right now I am not sure if this is with us.archive.ubuntu.com or archive.ubuntu.com04:08
mikedep333but I have noticed it on both04:08
Eq|workmikedep333 : i mean have you done the equivalent before trying to upgrade in aptitude04:09
mikedep333I am pretty sure those are the servers that you go to when you install something from main/restricted/universe/multiverse04:09
mikedep333yeah04:09
lucasvoslytherin: didn't work, exactly the same error04:09
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slytherinlucasvo: What the heck. Have you installed any extra packages that depend on x11-common or perl-base?04:10
lucasvoslytherin: no, I installed dapper, then immediatly dist-upgraded to gutsy04:11
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Picilucasvo: Ugh. Thats probably your problem.04:11
lucasvoPici: so what do you suggest?04:11
slytherinlucasvo: bad thing. But the problem should have a solution04:11
Picilucasvo: I would have suggested either doing a clean install or an upgrade through all the versions then gutsy.04:12
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lucasvoPici: I'll try to downgrade to edgy04:13
slytherinlucasvo: Don't do it.04:13
Linthere is any tool to play/convert ape to flac?04:13
lucasvoslytherin: what else?04:15
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sochi04:15
lucasvoslytherin: I'll go to the shop and buy a cd-r04:15
slytherinlucasvo: Lets start fresh. apt-get --purge remove xorg04:15
lucasvothis is to much a hassle04:15
lucasvoslytherin: still the same error04:16
sockde4beta2 has been released, will there be updated packages in gutsy or backports?04:16
lucasvoslytherin: xorg ist not installed04:16
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slytherinlucasvo: Sorry xserver-xorg04:18
mewtthe latest xserver update broke xserver..it dies if you try to do anything 3d..anyone got this prob ?04:18
mewti just tried running chromium and got an x restart04:18
Picimewt: In Gutsy?04:19
lucasvoslytherin: still about the same error04:19
mewtalso login page seems to be at a lower res than that of my desktop04:19
mewtPici, ye of course04:19
slytherinlucasvo: is not installed?04:19
lucasvono, it doesn't say anything about it's state04:19
Picimewt: I saw you had asked in #ubuntu as well.  Have you checked for open bugs on the issue or filed your own bug?04:19
lucasvoit only says that there are unmet dependencies04:19
mewtpici, went in that channel by mistake :p. no not yet, since i just restarted04:20
lucasvoslytherin: I can't remove it04:21
slytherinlucasvo: How about apt-get install libxdmcp6 x11-common perl perl-base perl-modules xserver-xorg-core ?04:21
lucasvoslytherin: tried that already04:21
lucasvodoesn't work04:21
slytherinlucasvo: This is insane04:21
slytherinlucasvo: what does apt-get dist-upgrade say?04:22
lucasvoslytherin: x11-common conflicts with xutils and xbase-clients04:22
lucasvoslytherin: the same as upgrade04:23
lucasvoI always thought that apt is a good thing, but in this case it's just evil04:23
slytherinlucasvo: nope, you handles it in wrong way. You skipped a release04:24
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Picilucasvo: You put yourself into this position. I think the best and easiest thing to do would be to backup and do a clean install.04:24
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lucasvoPici: yes, I will do it04:24
lucasvobut shouldn't apt be able to handle it?04:25
slytherinlucasvo: Not always04:25
slytherinlucasvo: Did you try removing xutils and xbase-clients?04:25
trixonHi will tribe 6 come out today as planned? Im about to reinstall a system and it would be nice with Tribe 604:26
slytherintrixon: If it is planned for today then sure it will come.04:26
lucasvoslytherin: it doesn't work04:26
trixonok04:26
slytherinlucasvo: What is the error in that case?04:27
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Gryffindor-lul04:30
mewthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/13775804:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137758 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "nvidia-glx-new installs 386 kernel" [Undecided,New] 04:31
mewtjust filed the above bug, anyone can confirm ?04:31
GryffindorI use 386 anyway04:31
Gryffindoronly way to make certain the sources work right04:31
dfgas_is gusty going to have the final release of 2.20 gnome?04:34
slytherindfgas_: yes04:36
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jsomersyes?04:36
jsomersisn't that freezed?04:36
Hobbseethere are exceptions04:36
jsomersah04:36
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Eq|workGryffindor : like?04:42
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yaccini cant set another kdm theme :(04:46
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zoli2kHi, I have problem with gutsy: I have only one workspace available. Clicking on workspace->Preferences there is no option to add other workspaces.04:48
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yaccinit told my i should read a readme file and i did04:49
yaccinthen i first deleted the file ind /etc/default/kdm.d and then i tried just changing it04:49
yaccinand nothing worked04:49
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yaccinis there some hidden option or soething?04:54
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Hobbseeyaccin: it's in /etc/kdm/kdmrc, iirc05:00
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yaccinyes i changed that one05:00
yaccin /etc/kde3/kdm/kderc05:01
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Hobbseeit didnt take?05:05
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magstinaHi am trying to play dvd from gutsy but no luck05:21
magstinaI have added medibuntu and added the appropriate packages (dvdcss and w32codecs) but totem keep saying:05:21
magstinaTotem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it.05:22
magstinaany idea?05:22
jsomersmagstina: you might need to enable libdvdcss05:22
magstinajsomers: how?05:22
jsomerssudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/./install-css.sh05:23
jsomersor something like that05:23
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magstinaI did this too05:23
magstinabut this seems alternative to adding the same package from medibuntu imho ^o)05:23
jsomersi think this just configures it05:24
jsomersotherwise I don't really have a clue05:24
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leperkhanzI can't get any 3d things to run.  Cannot load opengl subsystem.05:29
leperkhanzanybody else having this problem?05:29
leperkhanzcompiz is running well, but I have that error in metacity as well.05:30
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tattersis tribe  6 released yetTT?05:31
magstinatatters:  10 sept05:32
tattersk,thnx05:32
mewtwhat does sys in top mean ?05:33
mewtcpu line05:34
mewtcos mine is consuming some 60% of my cpu ?05:34
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Eq|worksystem05:42
Eq|workyou using an optical drive at all?05:42
yaccinHobbsee: no it didnt :(05:43
leperkhanzhuh, urban terror works fine.  (kinda slow under compiz), but no other 3d apps will run.05:43
Hobbseetatters: read the ubuntu-devel-announce ML05:43
leperkhanzmaybe I borked my wine.05:43
Eq|workleperkhanz : try a linux gl thing.. and are you on an ati card or other?05:43
mewtEq|work, no none at all05:44
mewtim also noticing that i seem to have 13 running processes05:44
Eq|workmewt : heavy hdd access?05:44
mewtall i have open is xchat, rythmbox, gnome-terminal and firefox05:44
Eq|work13 processes is not a lot..05:44
mewtusually i have like 2 running05:44
Eq|workaccording to top i have 13605:44
mewtthe rest sleep05:44
mewt151 total05:45
Eq|workah05:45
Eq|workhm....05:45
mewttop - 17:45:22 up  1:33,  3 users,  load average: 4.06, 4.01, 3.4805:45
mewtTasks: 151 total,   4 running, 146 sleeping,   0 stopped,   1 zombie05:45
mewtCpu(s): 63.5%us, 33.6%sy,  0.0%ni,  0.0%id,  0.0%wa,  1.3%hi,  1.7%si,  0.0%st05:45
mewtMem:   1035928k total,   856248k used,   179680k free,     9976k buffers05:45
mewtSwap:  2176768k total,    35752k used,  2141016k free,   494684k cached05:45
mewt0% idle :/05:45
mewtthe user cpu usage is totally un accounted for05:46
Eq|workpress <05:46
Eq|workthen R05:46
Eq|workmake sure it's shift-r05:46
Eq|workit'll show the running processes at the top05:46
mewtksoftirqd, acroread,expr,firefox-bin05:47
mewtand others moving in and out05:47
Eq|workanything in the cpu column for those?05:47
mewtpreload, gnome-terminal,05:47
roeI am having a problem with language files in gutsy, OOo doesn't seem to have any at its disposal to run a spell check against05:47
mewtin terms of cpu, they are all showing as 0.0 or 0.something05:47
mewtexcept firefox05:47
mewt9% atm05:47
Eq|workhrm05:48
Eq|workyet system is still at ~60 ?05:48
mewt40~, user is at 60~05:48
mewt0% idle05:48
Eq|work>, R05:48
Eq|workwhat's te top cpu using process ?05:48
Eq|workthe*05:49
mewtrythmbox and xorg alternativing05:49
mewtrythm box at around 9% cpu05:49
Eq|workhrm05:49
Eq|worksomething unusual is going on05:49
Eq|workhow much change do you get if you close rythymbox?05:49
mewtcould it be that since im running at -386 kernel instead of -generic05:50
mewtand i lose smp capability05:50
mewtim suffering too much ?05:50
Eq|workit shouldn't cause that05:50
Eq|workbut why are you using -386 ?05:50
mewtnothing, closed rythmbox, still same values05:50
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mewt-386 is the kernel that gets installed with nvidia-glx-new and restricted modules for it05:50
Eq|workhm. that's broken then05:51
mewtso i have to run the -386 one to get gui05:51
mewtye05:51
mewtfiled a bug05:51
mewtfor it05:51
Eq|worki might nab the source and create an adjusted package for you05:51
Eq|workwhat cpu are you using?05:51
mewthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/13775805:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137758 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "nvidia-glx-new installs 386 kernel" [Undecided,New] 05:51
mewtpentium 4 3.06Mhz, 2mb cache LGA 77505:52
Eq|workisn't nvidia-glx-new its own package?05:52
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mewti'v had a similar prob in feisty05:52
mewtwere a lot of cpu would be used on wa05:52
mewtdunno what wa in top is tho05:52
Trewasmewt: installing nvidia-glx-new does not install -386 kernel for me (I already have -generic and apt-get is content with that)05:53
mewtthat's what happened to me :s05:53
mewti tried booting in -generic05:53
mewtand running a sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new05:54
mewtand it said that the latest version is already installed05:54
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Trewasmaybe it resolves to -386 kernel in some cases for linux-restricted-modules-common dependency in nvidia-glx-new05:55
mewtit installed a linux-restricted modules for the kernel it installed05:56
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mewtI am really lost ;S seeing 60% of your cpu power wasted is not a nice sight05:57
mewtas an aside, anyone know the kernel module for ralink rt2500 wireless cards05:58
mewt?05:58
mewtlspci gives this:05:58
mewt02:05.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)05:58
Eq|workwhat does google say?05:58
Eq|worki did know, but i can't remember anymore05:58
mewtbut neither network manager nor another wireless applet cant seem to find it05:58
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Eq|worki do remember having issues with that card in knoppix.. in pci form at least.06:00
mewtgot rt2500-source from the repos06:02
mewtbuilding the driver now06:02
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mewtwell card showing up now..so that's fixed06:04
mewtcpu prob still there tho :'(06:05
mewtinterestingly enough..why am I using swap when i have 200+ mb of ram free06:05
mewt;S06:05
FunnyLookinHatmendred, because having that ram free allows you to open new applications quickly rather than having to wait for RAM to be moved to SWAPspace and then opening the app.06:07
FunnyLookinHatwoooops06:07
FunnyLookinHatmewt, (see above)06:07
FunnyLookinHatsorry mend06:07
mewtic06:08
mewtis there any other way to see what apps are eating your cpu06:08
mewt?06:08
lucasvowill X.org 7.3 get into gutsy?06:08
mewtinstead of top06:08
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mewtlucasvo, afaik ye, but without xserver 1.4 or something onthose lines06:09
lucasvocool06:09
mewtdamn, i found out what the prob was06:10
mewti decided to kill acroread06:10
mewtand now i have 90+ idle06:10
mewtand only 6 percent on cpu06:11
mewtaverage load also dropped06:11
mewt:S06:11
mewtin top it only showing 0.3% usage of cpu06:11
jussi01!enter | mewt06:11
ubotumewt: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!06:11
mewtjussi01, sorry, tend to get carried away :p, my friends say i make them crazy with gaim sounds since i press enter so much06:12
jussi01:)06:12
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eagles0513875lol06:13
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Dannilionis build-essential on the gutsy tribe 5 cd? I need to compile the drivers for my 3G modem so I can get internet back06:13
PiciDannilion: It should be.06:13
Dannilionoh, goodie :)06:14
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eagles0513875Pici: i dont know whether u would be able to help i was told that my bcm43xx card was supported in the kernel what do i have to do to get it up and running06:14
eagles0513875Dannilion: nice to see the ladies getting into the linux fray lol06:14
DannilionI've been using Linux a while now- Hoary Hedgehog was my first Ubuntu distro06:15
Eq|workeagles0513875 : there's a package that specifically dl's the 'doze drivers and extracts the firmware for it06:15
mewtDannilion, ye, if enough girls join in, they might stop picturing IT ppl as freckled nerdy with large glasses ppl06:15
Eq|workmewt : pipe dream06:15
Dannilionand what bit of that description don't I meet? p06:16
eagles0513875Eq|work: do i just do a bcm43xx apt-cache search for it06:16
eagles0513875lol06:16
eagles0513875out of that description i only have the glasses lol06:16
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eagles0513875lol06:16
mewtwell I have the glasses, but apart from that I'm nature's gift to women06:16
mewt*hides*06:16
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eagles0513875Dannilion: j/w do u have a 32bit or 64 bit capable processor06:17
Dannilionglasses are sexy :p06:17
eagles0513875lol :)06:17
Dannilion64bit capable06:17
mewteagles0513875, heard lots of ppl got it running with wine06:17
eagles0513875Dannilion: u registered06:17
Dannilionyes06:17
eagles0513875mewt: i got it running but for me fps suxs balls06:17
eagles0513875i get 30 fps in winblos and with wine 7 fps06:17
mewtaye, i got it running perfectly, without sound tho06:17
eagles0513875whats ur video card and fps06:18
DannilionIf the Sims 2 would work in Linux, I'd get rid of Windows06:18
mewtanyone wanna see my defunct character ? mewtveetwo on ahn'Qiraj, level 25 warlock06:18
mewt:D06:18
Eq|workeagles0513875 : what do you get with glxgears ?06:18
eagles0513875lol06:18
Dannilionthat said, I am glad of it for times like this#06:18
Eq|workand re bcm43xx, yes.06:18
eagles0513875right now shit i dont have open gl setup with my pos card atm06:18
eagles0513875ok06:18
Eq|workDannilion : tried cedega ?06:19
Dannilionyup06:19
Dannilioninstalls fine, doesn't run06:19
Eq|workodd06:19
Dannilionknown problem06:19
Eq|workmust try sims2 in cedega myself at some point.06:19
mewt*Wishes Bf2 Would run on Linux*06:19
Eq|workcould have sworn it used to work..06:19
Dannilionno-one has it working in Linux yet, using cedega, wine or anything else06:19
Eq|workmewt : i know for a fact that runs under cedega. or ran anyway06:20
mewtEq|work, I don't agree with cedega for the simple fact that i want games to be supportted on linux natively..if we keep on going the emulation way and buying windows games and emulating them on linux06:20
eagles0513875mewt: what video card do u have i have a pos 106:21
mewtno vendor will ever take linux seriously enough to consider making native games for linux06:21
Eq|workwho said anything about buying the games ? :P06:21
mewt6800gs eagles051387506:21
eagles0513875lol what fps do u get with wow06:21
mewtEq|work, I don't agree with pirating of software06:21
Eq|workmewt : unlocked the extra pipelines?06:21
Eq|workmewt : i don't agree with paying for software that won't run correctly/natively on my os of choice.06:21
mewteagles0513875, 60-75fps06:21
eagles0513875wtf06:21
mewteagles0513875, on windows06:22
mewteagles0513875, linux around3506:22
eagles0513875i have a radeon xpress 200m i know how to get open gl working how do i open up the extra piplines06:22
Eq|workewww.. wow.06:22
mewtEq|work, neither do, so i don't buy it06:22
DannilionI'd already bought the Sims 2... and I'm sorta addicted so get the expansion packs too06:22
Eq|workheh06:22
eagles0513875in windows about 27fps 7 in linux using wine06:22
mewtEq|work, have you ?06:22
mewtEq|work, was always afraid to brick my card06:22
Eq|workmewt : have i unlocked the extra pipelines? yes, the same day i got the card.06:22
Eq|workwhat brand is it?06:23
mewtEq|work, paying my car loan right now, so no spare cash to buy a new one06:23
mewtEq|work, gainward06:23
mewtit's the agp version06:23
Eq|workthey're usually pretty good06:23
Eq|workof course06:23
Eq|workthe pcie one you can't do it06:23
Eq|workdifferent core06:23
mewtEq|work, did you see any performance increase ?06:23
Eq|workyes, i did06:23
mewtEq|work, what about stability issues ?06:23
Eq|workwas quite a while ago, so can't remember how much06:23
Eq|workit's been rock solid06:23
mewtEq|work, what software have u used ?06:24
Eq|workas in games?06:24
mewtno, to unlock the pipelines06:24
Eq|workah.. rivatuner iirc06:24
mewtanything on linux ?06:24
Eq|workdon't believe you can unlock them in linux, but once it's done it stays that way unless you undo it06:24
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Eq|workiirc it's not something that's reset with a reboot or cold start06:25
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Eq|workheh06:25
eagles0513875so i cant unlock any more pipe lines on my card06:25
mewteagles0513875, what card do you have?06:25
Eq|workeagles0513875 : no idea. mobility cards aren't as straightforward.06:25
eagles0513875radeon xpress 200m06:26
Eq|worknor are integrated cards.06:26
eagles0513875128mb card can share ram with it to up it to 25606:26
eagles0513875damn it mine is integrated06:26
Eq|worki suspect it's not got any unlockables.06:26
Eq|workit might do.. see what google says.06:26
mewtmm dunno about ati really...always been an nvidia fanboi since i was a wee kid06:26
eagles0513875lol06:27
mewtpaid off when i turned to linux06:27
mewt:D06:27
eagles0513875after i figured out wat a b it was to setup open gl on here im goign to nvidia and never coming back06:27
eagles0513875lol06:27
Eq|workmewt : same.. i hate ati..06:27
Eq|workati drivers suck donkey balls06:27
eagles0513875i got a link for u guys that ull find interesting06:27
Eq|worki think they tried the infinite monkeys thing, trying to duplicate nvidia's quality.. but could only get 10.06:28
mewtEq|work, they seem kinda flaky to me, altho they do say that in games on windows they put up quite a nice fight06:28
Eq|workmewt : they've improved significantly in the last year or so06:28
Eq|workbut they're still crap imo06:28
Eq|workthe omega ones are a vast improvement over the standard ati ones, but still not great.06:28
mewtcan I ask a question ? what amount of cpu does xorg use for you  ? when you have compiz on ?06:29
eagles0513875take a look at this guys06:29
mewtcos back in feisty i had some probs with cpu usage and ppl blamed it on the manual install of nvidia i had06:29
eagles0513875http://www.overclock.net/hardware-news/233580-amds-new-linux-drivers-offer-50-a.html06:29
Eq|workdunno.. not using ubuntu or compiz on this machine.. have it on my laptops, but the work lappy is in 'doze atm.. for encoding purposes.06:29
mewtthat's from phoronix right ?06:30
mewtseen them all this morning during my linux march in slashdot, digg and linuxtoday.com06:30
mewteagles0513875, good for ati either way06:31
Eq|workif it's actually true06:31
mewtabout firkking time anyway06:31
Eq|workbut it'll only apply to relatively recent cards.06:31
mewtafter having dell and google plead for drivers06:31
Eq|workdell probably went 'either sort your drivers or we'll just stop shipping anything with ati cards'06:32
mewtthat'd convince them =)06:32
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mewti was pretty reluctant to believe they would actually ship them pcs06:33
mewtuntil i read that people recieved them06:33
Eq|workheh06:33
Eq|workdell can be a bit slow to do things, but once they say they're going to do something they generally do.06:33
mewttought it was a marketing stunt but anyways06:33
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mewtI'm an IBM Fanboi!06:34
eagles0513875lol06:35
eagles0513875we just bought a killer desktop machine06:35
mewtgz06:36
mewti just found something funny - My BO notes quote Lotus Office as a standard office suite offering06:38
Eq|workheh. i like dell laptops06:38
Eq|workbo ?06:38
Eq|workonly thing i can think of is body odour :P06:38
mewtbusiness organisations06:38
Eq|workah.06:38
Eq|workheh06:38
mewti smell fine thankyou very much =(06:38
Eq|worklol06:39
mewtso were you guys from ?06:39
mewtinthe world i mean06:39
mewtI'm from malta (If anyone's ever heard of it)06:39
Gryffindorkansas06:39
mewtkansas ? that's in the US right06:40
mewt?06:40
mewtor was it canada ?06:40
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Eq|workright06:42
Eq|workhome time06:42
Eq|workkansas == us06:42
Eq|workand yes, i've heard of malta06:42
Eq|worki'm from scotland, but am in london atm :(06:42
Eq|workanyway06:42
Eq|workHOME06:42
Eq|workback later/tomorrow06:42
mewtgn06:42
mewtnow this is something to be proud of: http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/government-law/public-sector/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsId=500806:44
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lnx^heya, can i install a fake raid with tribe 5?06:51
mewtwhat do you mean by a fake raid ?06:52
lnx^i have two 160gb hard disks06:52
lnx^just raid without a controller06:52
mewtsoftware raid ?06:52
lnx^yeah06:52
lucasvowhen I update to gutsy, should I first run apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade?06:52
mewtlucasvo, I went the official way, sudo update-manager -D06:52
mewtlucasvo, I went the official way, sudo update-manager -d06:52
mewtlnx^, don't know for sure06:53
lucasvomewt: ok, I'll give it a try06:53
lnx^mewt: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/gobuntu/daily/current/ says that the alternate install cd can do 'RAID partitioning' - i wonder if that's what i need?06:53
mewtlnx^, probably is yes06:54
Pici!raid06:54
ubotuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO06:54
mewtPici, were can I find a list of commands understood by ubotu ?06:55
Pici!bot06:55
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots06:55
Picimewt: First link there.06:55
mewtah! thanks06:55
PiciOf course ;)06:56
mewtmm, I'm currently remember my first time in #linux, I said 10x to someone for his help and I had a couple of geeks attack me cos they're don't like 10x06:57
SpudDogglol, the medic factiod is pretty funny06:57
mewtwanted me to say thanks instead..good old times06:58
mewt!medic06:58
ubotuHelp! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici06:58
Pici...06:58
PriceChild*growls*06:58
PriceChildSpudDogg, Please don't do that.06:58
dfgas_ughhh, esd is not in 7.10?06:58
SpudDogglol, wasn't me!06:58
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SpudDoggPriceChild: I won't bring it up again...I am sorry06:59
PriceChildnp06:59
mewtrofl06:59
SpudDoggnow yell at mewt, Price06:59
SpudDogg:)06:59
mewtnice way to alert the whole channel06:59
SpudDoggjust the ops06:59
mewthey I'm a noob..be nice :p06:59
mewt(kinda noob anyway)07:00
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SpudDoggmewt, nice to see you learning linux.  when you get better at it, you'll really enjoy it07:00
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dfgas_hmmm, can't use my softphone gusty  :(07:00
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mewtSpudDogg, well i can do most stuff with it..The company I work at is a Red Hat partner and we get some work with linux servers07:01
mewtmostly red hats of centos07:01
mewtcurrently learning scalix07:01
lnx^Pici: thanks07:02
ubuhello,what's the name of the firefox extention manager in gutsy gibbon07:02
mewtSpudDogg,  so I'm learning linux all day long =) btw scalix rocks!07:02
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lnx^i have SIS 191 integrated ethernet and gutsy and feisty don't detect it automatically, what should i do?07:03
Piciubu: The package that provides the extension manager is called ubufox07:03
ubuPici, how do i run it?07:03
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Piciubu: There is a button at the bottom of the existing addon window in firefox.07:04
ubuPici, ah found it07:04
ubuPici, thanks07:04
Piciubu: Took me a bit to find it the first time too07:05
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mewtPici, thanks for the extension tip..never noticed it07:06
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mewtping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted <- what does this mean ?07:15
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amiasmewt, you probably have firewall restrictions from internet connection sharing07:15
mewtmm dunno, im trying to ping an AP from one of my neighbours, got an ip from his dhcp, but cant ping07:16
mewtalso resulted in gutsy choosing the wireless connection over the wired one07:16
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mewtand cut me off07:16
amiasmewt, sounds like the firewall in the AP is blocking non specified MAC addresses . you could test this by running kismet to find a working MAC and spoofing yours to it07:17
amiasmewt, or more politely (and legally !) you should just check with them that they are not blocking your access07:18
mewtamias, might be, ill try that after next sunday, right now studying for an exam (been wasting enough time already :p)07:18
mewtamias, i believe that if he is allowing his radio waves to enter my house, he is breaking and entering and as such I may do what i want with his radio waves :p one point i don't agree on with the law07:19
amiasexcellent work on gutsy guys !07:19
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amiasmewt, good luck arguing that one , also if there are restrictions in place and you circumvent them you are in the wrong . if it was open access thats another matter07:20
amiasIANAL07:20
mewtno encryption set, but there might be mac address filtering as you said07:20
mewtbut then again, why would it's dhcpd give me an address07:20
amiasneed to patch the evms bug and get it in the repos07:20
amiasmewt, because its nice like that , you can make it filter certain mac addresses but not usually on AP's07:21
mewtmm ic07:22
amiasalso DHCP uses broadcast , its not supposed to be at all private or secure07:22
mewtic07:23
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mewtanyone got some script that authenticated you to nickserv automatically ?07:24
ShackJackmewt: You can do a buddy pounce I believe to authenticate automatically07:25
amiasmewt, x-chat can do this07:25
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mewtwhere do i set a buddy pounce07:26
mewt?07:26
ShackJackUnder tools - you might want to google for complete info re nickserv...07:28
ShackJackAt any rate you pounce nickserv to enter the identify string to "log you in"07:29
mewti found another way ShackJack07:29
mewtwent into the server list07:29
mewtchose freenode07:29
mewtand chose to edit it07:29
mewtand there is a field called nickserv password07:29
ShackJack!enter > mewt :)07:30
mewtShackJack, crap sorry again, it's just an old habit07:30
ShackJackGuys, my wireless connection to open networks is rather sporatic (nm-applet)... It sees them, but won't connect to them... Any command line or something I can reset to get it to connect (short of rebooting) ?07:31
HobbseeShackJack: ipw3945?07:32
ShackJackHobbsee: Yep, howdya guess ;)07:32
HobbseeShackJack: lucky guess.07:32
HobbseeShackJack: i386 or amd64?07:33
ShackJackWorks great on home network, but outside, sometimes yes, sometimes no, and a reboot will sometimes fix....07:33
ShackJackHobbsee: i38607:33
ShackJackRestarting /etc/init.d/networking or dbus doesn't help either....07:33
Hobbseeno, it doesnt.07:33
Hobbseesec.07:33
amiasShackJack, i found iwconfig on the command line to be the best tool for monitoring wireless wiredness , what chipset are you using ?07:33
Hobbseeamias: see above07:34
amiasHobbsee, aah , a known dodgy chipset ?07:35
ShackJackamias: ipw394507:35
Hobbseeamias: no.  just doesnt work with the old nm07:35
HobbseeShackJack: replace the ipw3945.ko in ubuntu/wireless/ipw3945/, then depmod -a, then ipw3945d-2.6.22-10-generic --kill, then modprobe ipw394507:35
Hobbseei hope you know hwat you're doing.07:35
ShackJackamias: iwconfig shows eth1 - unassociated ESSID:"thessid" and iwlist also shows the network07:35
HobbseeShackJack: okay, follow this order.07:36
HobbseeShackJack: install bzr, bzr get https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/intellinuxwireless/ipw3945.asac07:36
amiasShackJack, it sounds like your chipset isn't fully supported , what i was talking about was more general advice for troubleshooting bad links due to interference or bad placement07:37
HobbseeShackJack: install kernel headers at al then: make IEEE80211_IGNORE_DUPLICATE=y SHELL=/bin/bash inside the dir that gets downloaded07:37
Hobbseethen, replace the ipw3945.ko in ubuntu/wireless/ipw3945/, then depmod -a, then ipw3945d-2.6.22-10-generic --kill, then modprobe ipw394507:37
Hobbseeconfirm that modinfo does show the right version afterwards (1.2.2d.ubuntu1)07:38
HobbseeShackJack: then tell me when you get to that point, and i'll copy some debs over for you to install07:38
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ShackJackHobbsee: "install kernel headers at al"?07:39
HobbseeShackJack: install the kernel headers for the kernel that you're running07:40
HobbseeShackJack: linux-kernel-headers-$(uname -r) will be the name of the package07:40
ShackJackK - will have to get a wireless connection first ... I beleive those are already installed...07:41
Hobbseethis is true07:41
ShackJackI wonder why the finickyness with ipw3945... Worked great in Feisty... make a kernel interaction?07:41
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mewtbk07:42
mewthow do you disconnect from a wireless network ?07:42
PiciOdd. My ipw3945 works fine.07:42
Hobbseeoh, wait.07:42
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ShackJackIn fact it works consistently with my home network, which only uses WEP, but has trouble picking up these open networks...07:42
ShackJack*maybe a kernel interaction...07:42
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HobbseeShackJack: what version of network-manager do you have installed atm?07:43
Konstigthello all.. is tribe-6 beeing released today?07:43
HobbseeKonstigt: no, read the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list07:43
ShackJackHobbsee: I have 0.6.5-0ubuntu10 for network-manager07:44
Hobbseeand it's not currently working with open networks?07:44
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ShackJackHobbsee: Not consistently... I rebooted and now i can see a bunch of networks...07:45
ShackJackHobbsee: Where as before I could only see one open network which it wouldn't connect to... But now I'm connected to that very network...07:45
Hobbseebut before, were you using nm -10 or -9?07:45
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ShackJackHobbsee: Before what?07:47
Hobbseethe reboot07:47
KonstigtHobbsee: great, thanks.07:48
ShackJackHobbsee: ?? Same package...07:48
HobbseeShackJack: different versions.07:48
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HobbseeShackJack: i'm guessing what's happened is that you did an upgrade befor eyou rebooted.07:50
ShackJackMmmmm... I don't follow... It's been 0.6.5.-0ubuntu10 since whenever it was last updated...  I don't know when that was...07:50
Hobbseeand after the reboot, it all works as it's using the newer version of nm07:50
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ShackJackNo, this behaviour has been somewhat consistent for a while, reboot upgrade, etc...07:50
ShackJackIt's not connecting once again, was connected to one open network, then I tried to switch to another and it won't connect (open)...07:51
Hobbseewell, try it with the new package that you have there, whether you use the new ipw3945 driver or not.  the -10 is supposed to fix it, and was published ~4 hours ago.07:51
Hobbseehm07:51
Hobbsee(and does here, and on a few others people's machines when we were testing it)07:52
lnx^hey, i get 'No RAID disks' error when i run dmraid -ay in gutsy, might i not have the right modules loaded or what might be the problem?07:53
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ShackJackHobbsee: Yeah, definately not one mine... Like I said - sporatic at best... and I've rebooted since the -10 upgrade07:53
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ShackJackbrb07:54
lnx^i'm trying to set up a software raid07:55
lnx^do i need to partition my disks before running dmraid?07:56
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ShackJackBack...08:06
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etnoyI have a problem with logging in since the last five days in gutsy08:31
etnoythe problem manifests itself in me being unable to login to gnome the normal way08:31
etnoystarting failsafe gnome and running compiz.real works, though08:31
etnoyI mean, starting compiz08:31
etnoythis machine is a thinkpad t30 and has got an ati r100 card08:32
etnoyI believe the problem to be with compiz-fusion08:32
etnoyis there any way I can debug the compiz startup while logging in?08:32
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pepie34Hi08:45
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pepie34apparently Xgl is automatic for fglrx08:45
pepie34how can i disable this?08:46
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pepie34How can i make gdm start a simple xorg and not xgl?08:52
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eagles0513875what other mp3 pkgs r there cuz i have lame installed and for some reason i have some audio encoded in some other mp3 format and i cant convert or play them08:56
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mewtwhat is your favorite media player? especially for audio ?09:04
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eagles0513875normally amarok but im having xine issues09:05
eagles0513875how do i add mp3 support to audacious09:05
mewtsomething more close to gnome home ?09:05
eagles0513875?09:05
mewti have installed: exaile, listen and rythmbox09:05
eagles0513875what u mean09:05
mewtI had tried songbird09:06
mewtsomething more gtk friendly i mean09:06
eagles0513875i have a ton of multimedia stuff that i can use but i dunno i prefer audacious cuz it plays flac i tried the other but they dont play flac09:06
eagles0513875well im out for now going to practice some c++ programming in winblows09:06
mewtcya09:07
eagles0513875go to winblows play some wow lol09:07
eagles0513875even though im at work and its dead round here09:07
mewtwhat's the time there then ?09:07
eagles0513875almost 2:10 in afternoon09:07
eagles0513875what bout where u r09:08
mewtlal09:08
eagles0513875?09:08
mewt21:0809:08
eagles0513875kool09:08
eagles0513875im guessing central europe lol09:08
mewtmalta ye09:08
mewtthe centre of europe actually09:08
eagles0513875mewt u registered cuz i need to talk to u09:08
eagles0513875lol09:08
pepie34kool in fact there is life here !!!09:08
asisaklol @ mewt :)09:08
eagles0513875pepie u from malta too09:09
pepie34nope france09:09
mewtasisak, why lol ? :p09:09
eagles0513875ahh ok lol09:09
asisakSince when is Malta the centre of Europe? :)09:09
pepie34since india is in europe09:09
asisaksure09:09
eagles0513875lol09:09
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mewtwell they say that the mediterranean is the sea in the centre of europe09:10
mewtwhich is what it's name means09:10
eagles0513875well its a big stepping stone for travellers09:10
etnoyfunny...09:10
mewtand malta is in the middle of the mediterranean sea09:10
eagles0513875lol09:10
mewti live in the middle of malta09:10
eagles0513875what part09:10
mewti'm the centre of europe!09:10
eagles0513875rofl09:10
ftoo_on_gutsyroflmao also.09:10
pepie34is there anyway not to use XGl ?09:11
asisakTIMTOWTDI09:11
mewtpepie34, no idea mate, don't use ati09:11
eagles0513875pepie34: u know how there is a pull down scree choose the session u want09:11
mewtwell i guess you guys are all jealous cos ur the centre of nothing :p09:12
eagles0513875lol09:12
lucasvoIf I want to upgrade a system from dapper to gutsy, is there really no way around upgrading from dapper to edgy to feisty to gutsy?09:12
mewtlucasvo, afaik, the recommended way to do it stepwise09:13
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Vorbotelucasvo: or a clean reinstall.09:13
eagles0513875lucasvo: ya there is09:13
eagles0513875!sourceomatic09:13
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic09:13
eagles0513875try changing ur soure list09:13
ftoo_on_gutsyso i guess i'm sort of central also09:13
eagles0513875i will be central in a week and half09:13
Picieagles0513875: That is not reccomended.09:14
mewtftoo_on_gutsy, that means that if we were to cross a line through the world from me to you09:14
mewtwe'de be in a straight line :p09:14
ftoo_on_gutsyhehehehhe kool09:14
eagles0513875Pici: y not09:14
mewtso we're exactly opposites09:14
lucasvoeagles0513875: well, I can edit my sources.list but that won't help me to fix conflicts I'll have when upgrading from dapper to gutsy09:14
eagles0513875ok09:14
mewtthat's the whole point of going through each system09:14
Picieagles0513875: It can break many things if you do an upgrade and skip versions.09:15
eagles0513875i have had problems with that yet i still try it to see if it will work09:15
lucasvoPici: is there no way to avoid this?09:15
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eagles0513875lol09:15
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Picilucasvo: No, there isnt. afaik, since Hardy Heron will be LTS, there should be an upgrade path from Dapper to Hardy, but dont quote me on that.09:16
mewtwarty suddenly feels so long ago09:17
lucasvomewt: yup, the ugly installation is the only thing I can remember09:18
mewti kinda miss, linux suddenly became so boring, everything works out of the box09:18
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lucasvomewt: but for me this new versions all transform blurry because as soon as the new repository for the next release is created I usually start using the beta one.09:18
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mewtno more fighting it lol :p09:19
mewtlucasvo, this is actually the first time im this early on a dev release09:20
eagles0513875lol09:20
mewtusually it's max a week before release09:20
eagles0513875i started with tribe 209:20
eagles0513875lol09:20
mewtso i dont get stuck on the servers with loads of ppl downloading09:20
eagles0513875and i have to say this distro is the best 64bit one out there09:20
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mewtlucasvo, then again, who would have thought it was the start of such a great distro09:22
mewt?09:22
lucasvoyeah09:22
mewti still have some cds from shipit around here09:22
mewtof 5.1009:22
joumetalCould anyone help with bug 137604? It's i810 bug in xorg.09:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137604 in xorg "Black Bar Across Screen with latest Xorg Update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13760409:23
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rabbit64Hi. Bash script1 calls script2. Is it possible to get name and location of script1 from script2?09:25
Picirabbit64: Best to ask that in #bash09:26
rabbit64ok09:26
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PolitikerNEUDoes it cause major problems to upgrade to gutsy one month before its release or is it not recommended (I don't need everything working - but a "usable" system)09:30
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mewtimo read the title PolitikerNEU09:32
PolitikerNEUIt's not a production system, just my private system09:32
mewta production system means a system you use as your main desktop09:32
mewtor workstation09:33
PolitikerNEUok ... is there any possibility to downgrade to 7.04 again if the upgrading to 7.10 failed?09:34
mewtPolitikerNEU, afaik there arent any ways to do that, apart from that, if something goes wrong in the upgrade it may render your system unbootable which might need special ways to get into your system09:36
PolitikerNEUhmm ... I've got another linux system and windows too09:36
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PolitikerNEUso that shouldn't be a problem09:36
PolitikerNEUif something goes wrong, i just reinstall09:36
pwnguinPolitikerNEU: this is why step one is always "back up existing data"09:36
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PolitikerNEUmy home directory is on a seperate partition09:37
PolitikerNEUbut backuping could be really useful09:38
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PolitikerNEUthanks guys, cu09:40
LynoureI found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5 but are there official upgrade instructions for kubuntu somewhere?09:40
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PolitikerNEUomg ... 2 GB. I think I'll wait until the release comes out09:42
mewthehehe09:42
mewtit increased09:42
mewtwas 1.6 when i did it09:42
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DanaGOooh, sweet: http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/09:47
DanaGAMD to open up graphics specs.09:47
DanaGSweet, now I can consider AMD/ATI for future notebooks.09:48
DanaGBut it's still not entirely open.09:48
rabbit64amd to support aiglx in a month, thats sweet too :)09:48
stdinopen specs != open drivers09:49
stdinit just means that we can create open drivers without having to manually probe the device now09:49
PolitikerNEUAMD wants to open source the 2D-Functions of their drivers and maybe add 3D support later09:49
PolitikerNEUI think I have read09:49
rabbit64open specs = someone will do the drivers09:49
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mewtwell atleast is better than having nothing09:51
mewtaltho as someone commented09:51
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mewtlooks like it's gonna be a minefield of licenses and patents09:51
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PolitikerNEUSource: pro-linux.de. Translated Text: Additionally AMD wants to provide a trunk driver. With this, until the end of the year, a free driver for two-dimensional grafik should be finished. 3D-Functions are expected to take longer time09:52
PolitikerNEUgrafik == graphic, of course09:52
rabbit64skeleton driver09:53
PolitikerNEUsorry09:53
mewti still tend to be unsure until i see what licenses etc that are gonna release it under09:53
PolitikerNEUtranslated it fast so i couldn't look up the correct expressions09:54
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PolitikerNEUwith this == more exactly: therewith09:54
rabbit64i didn't ever hear therewith ;) (i'm not american)09:54
DanaGI hope it'll be more than simply 'usable' by next summer.09:54
mewtwell a skeleton driver would get the09:55
mewtthe good thing about this is that09:55
mewtonce ati get their thing going09:55
mewtnvidia are gonna feel left out and feel the pressure09:55
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rabbit64and explode :D09:55
mewtwhich will hopefully get them to work more on the driver09:55
mewtand maybe help nouveu ppl09:56
rabbit64*implode09:56
mewtimplode is nicer09:56
PolitikerNEUhmm ... in my opinion, nvidia currently produces the better graphic chips/cards09:56
mewta nice black whole never hurt anyone09:56
rabbit64yes of course :)09:56
LynoureFor Kubuntu, can I just do apt-get dist-upgrade after changing feisty to gutsy in the sources.list?09:56
DanaGNice, if you like your screen to randomly BLINK under Compiz.09:57
rabbit64Lynoure, apt-get update before dist-upgrade09:57
DanaGNVIDIA, I mean.09:57
PolitikerNEUI never experienced such problems09:57
VorboteLynoure: it is better to use update-manager (it it is working)09:57
Vorbote(if it is ...)09:58
mewtthe devs fixed some stuff with keyboard shortcuts i guess ey ?09:58
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mewtmy shortcuts work in all proggies now09:58
mewtbefore it was jsut rythmbox09:58
LynoureVorbote: there is one for Kubuntu somewhere?09:58
Vorboteopen konsole and type "sudo update-manager -d -c" if it is working you'll now...09:59
Vorboteknow09:59
rabbit64adept is good09:59
LynoureVorbote: I remember there being talk about one, but still I only find the one that depends on gnome stuff09:59
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Vorbotetry with update-manager-core That one doesn't depend on Gnome/GTK+10:00
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mewtgeneral question: isnt it easier to install ubuntu then isntall kubuntu-desktop ? or do the kubuntu team make a lot of modifications ?10:00
VorboteI know that one is installed with ubuntu-standard so it should be in kubuntu10:00
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VorboteThe kubuntu install is a lot cleaner. If you install kubuntu-desktop on top of an ubuntu install , you'll have lots of cleaning to do10:01
mewtmm ic10:01
LynoureVorbote: it does not seem to be a command...10:01
VorboteLynoure: lemme check here.10:02
LynoureVorbote: /var/lib/update-manager , no binary that I could find yet10:02
VorboteLynoure: you should have a command called "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade"10:02
ironmatarwent back and tried thats other os agian  another 6hrs down the drain.....so mad....installed gutsy just for the heck of it  lot better responce from my system however booting the Hd  its gets stuck waiting for file system without verbose and nosplash i think i see segmentation fault flash by  what is that and how do i fix it possably?10:03
VorboteRun it with sudo10:03
Vorboteironmatar: try booting in rescovery mode and keep an eye on the output.10:04
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ironmatarand?10:04
VorboteAnd you'll have a better idea of where the system is hanging10:05
ironmatarah10:05
LynoureVorbote: it seem to check for new version but not upgrade (or maybe just not find one, even with -d)10:05
VorboteLynoure: and with "-d -c"?10:06
LynoureVorbote: --help shows no -c10:06
ironmatarnow when u say recovery mode  thats changeing the grub kernal at the reset  or the option from live cd.10:07
VorboteAha.... Hmm... So that's on the graphical client only. Hmm... You'll have to edit your sources file and dist-upgrade then. :-(10:07
mewtironmatar, at grub10:08
ironmatarthank you10:08
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LynoureVorbote: that's considered risky for ubuntu... and I cannot see why kubuntu would be any better at it. No idea of what are the official recommended steps?10:08
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VorboteLynoure: If you have the bandwith I suggest you download a daily snapshot, burn to cd-rw (no point in wasting a cdr) and pop it in. Adept should offer you to add the cd and do an upgrade (works with synaptic).10:09
VorboteI've always found that safer than doing a dist-upgrade over the wire.10:10
LynoureVorbote: I guess I'll wait until I find the way mainstream folks will be upgrading. No sense upgrading to report bugs if I do the first step in an uncommon way. I wish they started considering kubuntu users too, in those announcements of Tribes.10:11
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pepie34Hi what is this trackerd that eats 45% of my cpu?10:14
VorboteThe indexer10:14
VorboteYou can silence it with the applet in System->Preferences->Indexing Preferences10:15
pepie34yes i diable it but it is still runing10:15
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pepie34yes i have disabled it10:16
pepie34an other question, how can i make xorg the default xserver and not xgl?10:17
rocketsWhich version of virtualbox is included with Gutsy? the open source edition or the full version?10:17
VorboteYou can remove trackerd with the package manager, there doesn't seem to be any other way.10:18
ironmatar1.716000 input at translated set 2 keyboard /class/input/input1      next line  segmentation fault   then the startup scripts  and it hangs on waiting for file system at root10:18
ggilbertrockets: Gutsy doesn't include virtual box as far as I can tell10:18
rocketsggilbert, version 1.4 is in the repos right now./10:19
ggilbertWhat's the package name? I'm  not seeing it :)10:19
pepie34killall trackerd10:19
DanaGOh yeah, go into system->preferences->session10:19
DanaGand uncheck the trackerd one.10:19
DanaGAlso remove it from current session.10:19
VorboteAh yes. it never occured to me that trackerd would be loaded from the session manager.10:20
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rocketsggilbert, idk i just read about it on planet ubuntu at some point10:20
pepie34As i wanted to use opengl application i don't want xgl !!!10:21
VorboteBTW, is java working in openoffice for anyone, without installing java-gcj-compat?10:21
pepie34isthere a way to disable it?10:21
ironmatarany ideas? anyone?10:22
Vorbotepepie34: look in the appearance applet, desktop effects tab. Select disable.10:22
pepie34is it because 3D desktop is mandatory that gutsy starts xgl if you don't have AIGLX extension?10:22
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pepie34I mean it is not compiz that i don't want10:22
pepie34it is actually xgl10:22
rabbit64pepie34, there is a way to run opengl application in newly created X session (even if you are using Xgl), but it's quite unstable10:23
Vorbotepepie34: you can always disable the xgl extensoin in the X server by doing a "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in a terminal and disabling it in the respective dialog.10:23
pepie34i stop my session and go back10:24
pepie34do you know the xorg.conf option ?10:24
LynoureVorbote: the answer to my question turned out to be  adept_manager --version-upgrade10:24
VorboteLynoure: great! New thing we have learned today.10:25
VorboteHmm... I'm spending too much time in GNOME to be healthy...10:26
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pepsimanwhy do I suddenly have Xgl?10:28
Tm_TLynoure: yo!10:28
ironmatarso i know where the seg fault is happeneing and it hangs on waiting for file system  what can i do about that10:28
LynoureTm_T: that so makes me think about yoyos, every time. :)10:29
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pepie34it is still xgl10:29
pepie34there is no compiz but still xgl10:30
Tm_TLynoure: good :)10:30
pepsiman"Checking for nVidia: present. \nStarting Xgl with options:  -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer -fullscreen -br"10:30
pepsimanhow do I disable this?10:30
pepie34pepsiman you've got the same problem as me10:30
pepie34i'm on ati though10:30
LynoureTm_T: I think I'll upgrade the coming weekend and be a productive member of the civilization again, after that.10:30
pepsimanwhy would ever I want Xgl on an Nvidia card?10:30
Tm_TLynoure: nice :)10:31
Vorboteironmatar: I wonder, are you loading from a grub in a different partition? That sounds like you are booting with the wrong root= specification (been there, done that).10:31
Tm_TLynoure: I think I wait week or two yet, still havent got my secondary workstation back :(10:31
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ironmatarVorbote:  no  80gb scsi formated use entire disk guided  only 1 part on disk10:32
ironmatar 1.716000 input at translated set 2 keyboard /class/input/input1      next line  segmentation fault   then the startup scripts  and it hangs on waiting for file system at root  thats what i get10:32
mewtlast time i had something waiting for file system it ended up being a bad hdd, but prolly it was a one off case10:33
ironmataror if i run normal boot the screen comes up and the orang bar puts a tiny sliver on and thats it10:34
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askand How do I turn of "snappines" in compiz?10:34
pepsimanwell that's got me back to dual head, but all of my gnome applets failed to load10:35
VorboteAhh, SCSI.... You may need to load up the module for your controller by hand. If the cd boots up, select rescue mode, boot mounting your root partition in the hd, do an lsmod and check the module loaded for your controller. Edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and add the name of that module. Also add it to /etc/modules. Then run "dpkg-reconfigure usplash" that'll force the creation of a new initrd.img10:35
VorboteThen you can reboot.10:35
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ironmatarok u lost me a little bit there  i am running off the iso disk i burned  so the cd does boot  dont u mean HD?10:37
rabbit64askand, in woobly windows snap inverted option10:37
askandrabbit64:  yay thanks!10:38
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pepie34what is this program:10:41
pepie34https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5#head-84a5a13314f156b99fe6a4e57e125e334e603dc110:41
pepie34?10:41
pwnguindisplayconfig-gtk10:42
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Vorboteironmatar: The installer has a rescue mode. That's what I was referring to.10:42
ironmatarVorbote:  ok10:42
ironmatarhmmm here goes10:43
pwnguinpepie34: that's displayconfig-gtk. its under system->administration->screen and graphics10:43
VorboteGood luck!10:43
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pepie34ok nothing for disabling xgl10:44
DanaGJust uninstall xserver-xgl.10:44
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pepie34i have tried but then the xsession last 2s10:45
pepie34:(10:45
Vorbotepepie34: you need to install xserver-xorg to replace xserver-xgl. Remove and install in one go.10:45
DanaGOh hey, I have a bcm4306 cardbus card, and bcm43xx driver is annoyingly drop-connection-ey.10:47
DanaGI want to use ndiswrapper, but where can I find Windows drivers that support wpa2?10:47
pwnguinive been having a wierd problem with nvidia-glx recently10:47
pwnguini have a widescreen laptop, and if i want to connect it to a 4:3 source10:48
pwnguin(and clone the input)10:48
pwnguinthe smaller screen just shows a window instead of scaling one or the other to match =/10:49
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rabbit64who had problems with xgl?10:55
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pvandewyngaerdehow do i start kde 4 beta 2 in a full session ?10:58
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pvandewyngaerdeTo run it as a full session copy  " /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop "    to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop  << i dont have that file11:05
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pvandewyngaerdeoops, my bad , apparantly i need kdebase-workspace now11:06
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mewtoff for the night11:15
mewtcya11:15
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pvandewyngaerdeoops, i overwrited the kde3  xsession startfile too11:17
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DanaGHeh, I have texture_from_pixmap but no non-power-of-two support.11:34
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arooni__how can i play .wmv files embedded in firefox?11:44
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gibWhat repo do I need to add to get Opera in Gutsy?12:09
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arooni__folks12:11
arooni__how do i get .wmv files to play back12:11
arooni__i have alredy installed .wmv files12:11
gibI can download and install it manually, but I'd prefer to use apt so it gets kept up to date automatically.12:11
Adlai!medibuntu | gib12:13
ubotugib: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org12:13
AdlaiI think that's what you want12:14
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gibOK, thanks Adlai12:15
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[Hyarion] hi, I just installed Gutsy and I'm trying to get the Cube-effect to work, I've got it to display the workspaces linearly if I hold ctrl+alt+down, but how can I get the cube?12:19
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gibI tried it  briefly too, and had the same problem.  I would rotate front/back of like a two sheeted piece of paper rather than an 8-sided square.12:27
[Hyarion] hm, I can't even get it to rotate, what command do you use?12:27
gibI don't remember, I only used it for like a half hour and then uninstalled it.12:27
[Hyarion] ah okay12:28
gibYou are talking about compiz, right?12:28
gibBecause no 3D desktop manager is installed by default.12:29
[Hyarion] gib, oh ya there is, I got it to work, I was doing ctrl+alt+down instead of ctrl+alt+left click12:31
gibHmm, I'm not sure what you're talking about then because I had to install it manually.12:32
[Hyarion] all I did was enable desktop effects in the menu12:32
gibWhich menu?12:32
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[Hyarion] System > Preferences > Appearance > Desktop Effects12:33
[Hyarion] I think I also enabled System > Preferences > Desktop Effects12:34
gibYeah, but that menu isn't there if you don't have compiz installed.12:34
[Hyarion] This is a fresh install of Gutsy12:34
gibDid that change to installing it by default from Tribe 5 to Tribe 6?12:35
gibI installed Tribe 5 and it wasn't installed by default.12:35
gibI don't see an announcement on Tribe 6, btw; thought it was supposed to be out Today.12:36
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gibI know a lot of updates just came through, which must be for 6.12:37
Xerolol someone was using my nick12:37
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mssnlayamDoes Gnome "grey out" applications that hang/do not respond?12:47
XeroCompiz does.12:49
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mssnlayamwhat happens when the app starts responding again?12:49
mssnlayamfor me, the window stays greyed out12:49
Xeromssnlayam, usually it won't ungrey for me either.12:50
mssnlayamXero: don't you think it should? is this a bug/enhancement?12:50
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Xeromssnlayam, I think it's an enhancement with a bug.12:51
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