=== ivoks [n=ivoks@22-142.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@66.251.27.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SjB [n=steve@13-51-222-209.mycybernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180075222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] keescook: Hi, have you time to sponsor bug #137644? [01:03] Launchpad bug 137644 in tar "[Fake sync] tar 1.18-2build1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137644 [01:04] it's the last tar upload to Debian unstable fixing CVE-2007-4131 === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-118-022.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kblin [i=nowhere@worldforge.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kblin [i=nowhere@worldforge.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] geser: cool, thanks. I will get to it. === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] geser: odd; I wonder why the orig is different? === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] keescook: I don't know. The last upload was also a fake-sync. === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-134-247.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] geser: odd. ubuntu's orig's base path is tar-1.18.orig whereas debian is tar-1.18. No other file differences. freaky [01:28] perhaps we had a 0ubuntu during early gutsy. [01:28] yes, there war 1.18-0ubuntu1 [01:28] aah, okay. [01:30] keescook: interesting is that the tar from gnu.org has also a different md5sum (neither matching Debian nor Ubuntu) as is also bigger [01:30] hah. odd [01:33] looks like the texinfo files got removed (GFDL 1.1 licensed) [01:33] 3/win 21 [01:33] (sorry) [01:33] Hi crimsun [01:35] geser: uploaded :) === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] keescook: thanks [01:38] thank you! one less thing on my CVE merge list. :) [01:41] speaking of CVEs, I should sync or patch phpgroupware === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-112-56.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lando [n=lando@adsl-074-236-035-138.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] iwj: ldconfig doesnt seem to ever use triggers, since DPKG_RUNNING_VERSION is 1.14.5, not 1.14.5ubuntu11. === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@tetkyo100114.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mekius [n=mekius@CPE-70-92-244-65.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] I have a PC with a via video card. When the xorg.conf gets created, it contains the vesa driver and not the via driver. I have created a custom cd with the openchrome driver and need to know how to autodetect via chips and load these drivers. What controls the creation of the xorg.conf? === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tehk [n=tehk@c-71-59-90-172.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] bad pygi! no cookie! === nealmcb [n=neal@wikipedia/nealmcb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nealmcb [n=neal@wikipedia/nealmcb] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:19] But what if Im hungry? [03:20] ion_: you're not pygi, you're OK [03:20] oh, fudge. the new openoffice has messed with my data. [03:20] or maybe it was gnumeric [03:20] hello Hobbsee [03:20] Bad calc? No cookie for him, either? [03:20] hi ajmitch [03:20] StevenK: exactly === desrt looks around [03:22] hobbsee: I just had to continue the quotation of The Office. :-) [03:22] (US) [03:23] ion_: ahhh. havent seen that. === Hobbsee sees the US' "The Office", and raises them an Australian "The Castle" [03:23] Its one of the best comedy series ive seen. [03:24] The Office is a series, and The Castle is a movie ... [03:24] still... === CoasterMaster [n=CoasterM@c-67-188-105-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] The Office is also a US series, and a UK series. [03:26] And it isn't clear which one ion_ is talking about. [03:27] to042254 < ion_> (US) [03:27] Ah === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottLij [n=scott@24-180-196-49.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] Hobbsee: You about? === mneptok puts on his full-head latex Hobbsee mask [04:16] HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! [04:16] heh [04:16] drat. no one falls for that. [04:16] scary... [04:16] must be my lack of body odor. === mneptok takes off a-runnin' [04:17] There a regression in Pidgin? I can't seem to add a Jabber account. [04:17] sbalneav: i *think* the generic "Jabber" protocol type has been supersceded by a "Google Talk" type [04:18] try adding your Jabber account as a Google Talk account. wha'ppens? [04:18] So, google talk is now jabber? [04:18] always has been. [04:18] ok, I'll find out [04:18] Jabber on Google infrastructure. === Hobbsee tickles mneptok [04:18] I guess its too late to get a new version of LLVM to gutsy. :-\ Gutsy has 1.8, 2.0 has been released and 2.1 will be released in three weeks. [04:18] sbalneav: hiya! [04:19] Hobbsee: Just trying to figure out pidgin... [04:19] sbalneav: XMPP is the name of the protocol. [04:19] ion_: given that it's been a debian sync in the past, someone would need to package, test & get approval for the new version [04:19] ion_: suave catch. thanks guy. [04:20] ah [04:20] (XMPP) [04:20] It wouldnt hurt to say XMPP (Jabber) or something like that in the dialog. [04:21] sbalneav: right... [04:22] ion_: if we make it obscure we keep the n00bs off the protocol. unless you *want* North Korean feline horror-porn ads in Jabber. === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-be1b25924496e256] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh_ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mekius [n=mekius@CPE-70-92-244-65.wi.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ion [n=ion@70-58-119-250.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont` [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.61.126] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:17] I don't suppose there are any archive admins awake at this hour? 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[10:50] seb128: Do you have a moment for some archive admin type stuff/questions? [10:50] StevenK: yes [10:51] seb128: Okay, it appears we can't distribute the virtualbox packaged called virtualbox due to trademark issues. Debian has sorted this, and has a virtualbox-ose package. The Debian Maintainer was nice to e-mail me to tell me about this. [10:52] If a build/archive admin is around, could they please give back synfigstudio on i386 and powerpc? Thanks. [10:52] seb128: Shall I forward his e-mail into Launchpad, and you can tack the "Fine, everything removed" message on it? [10:52] seb128: I've prepared a merge for virtualbox-ose, I'm in the middle of test building it. === TheFearow [n=TheFearo@wikimedia/thefearow] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] TheMuso: needs to be a build admin, maybe ask Mithrandir or doko_ === TheFearow [n=TheFearo@wikimedia/thefearow] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [10:53] StevenK: yes, please open a bug === PawpawYoung [n=young@218.240.129.197] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] seb128: Shall do. === PawpawYoung [n=young@218.240.129.197] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:54] seb128: I'll bounce the original mail into Launchpad, and then fiddle the package and so on. [10:54] ok, thanks [10:56] seb128, wrt cdrtools : afaik, because users need a choice, and because it's better then cdrkit [10:57] pygi: why do they "need a choice"? [10:57] pygi: isn't cdrkit already shipping cdrecord? [10:57] pygi: that's Debian modified version against stock upstream code? [10:57] seb128, it's shipping wodim, a counterpart. And it's not maintained, and it's buggy as hell [10:58] fix it? [10:58] cjwatson, fix unmaintained software? Interesting [10:58] err ... yes? === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] happens all the time [10:58] cjwatson, you'd be fixing it forever then [10:59] we call this "maintaining" [10:59] did whoever uploaded cdrecord remember to include the fix for bug 130376? [10:59] Launchpad bug 130376 in cdrkit "crash while checking MD5sums on jigdo include list" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130376 [10:59] pygi is a libburnia author. libburnia > cdrtools in the long run. [10:59] s/cdrecord/cdrtools/ [10:59] ion_: speaking as cdimage admin, software that works now > libburnia right now [11:00] (the bug above existed in cdrtools too) [11:00] cjwatson, it existed in what revision of cdrtools? Newest? [11:00] ion_, let them use whatever they want, be shhh =) [11:01] pygi: since edgy [11:01] cjwatson, ergh, well, that's not newest [11:01] up to when I fixed it [11:01] perhaps it was fixed back then [11:01] it was hardly likely to be fixed by upstream now was it? [11:01] but I have a feeling I should rather withdraw from cd-recording -related discussion [11:01] given that jigdo is a Debian patch [11:01] true that [11:01] and it was not fixed in cdrkit until I sent the patch [11:02] so no, it was not fixed in the current version [11:04] plus, probably the only thing you're missing from libisofs now (tho there is still no command line interface) is HFS/HFS+ for Mac spins === Keybuk [i=scott@nat/canonical/x-cc3651e077e5c161] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] geser: cvxopt src/C/SuiteSparse has files under the LGPL but that's not mentioned in the debian/copyright, could you sort that with Debian? [11:11] mdke: for gnome-user-docs, please pull from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/gnome-user-docs/fixes [11:11] cjwatson: there is a cvxopt upload in NEW (package coming from Debian with one change) which has some files under the LGPL but the debian/copyright only mentions GPL [11:11] cjwatson: the LGPL license text is shipped in the tarball though [11:12] cjwatson: would you accept the upload and bug Debian to fix it or reject it until that's fixed? === sjoerd [n=sjoerd@tunnel3460.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] seb128: will do [11:23] geser: thanks [11:23] Do any of you have experience with this otpw solution? http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/otpw.html [11:24] It seems to work fairly well (it's been in Debian for about a month), but if you have bad experiences with it or something like that, I don't want to bother filing a NPFe for it. [11:30] seb128: bug 137719 [11:30] Launchpad bug 137719 in virtualbox "Virtualbox under Gutsy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137719 [11:31] seb128: virtualbox-ose builds fine, I'll upload it in about 45 minutes. [11:31] StevenK: ok, so I just have to remove virtualbox for now? === Company [n=Company@e176106227.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@91.64.103.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-b76f8e8ce948276a] has joined #ubuntu-devel === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dns_56 [n=dns@ppp246-215.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] stgraber: I've just got a bunch of bugmail due to you doing something not entirely comprehensible to a whole pile of bug reports. Would you care to explain ? [12:35] What does the state 'Failed to upload' mean? that happened to gnome-user-docs [12:36] dholbach: it means soyuz broke [12:36] or that the package failed one of soyuz' tests [12:36] ok good, so it has nothing to do with me [12:36] mdke: ^ [12:37] ask infinity to investigate [12:37] infinity: so, can we get the sun-java debconf licence agreement pre-seeded in the buildds? [12:38] dholbach: It may have something to do with you. Soyuz has implemented some new checks what we need to deal with. [12:38] dholbach: It requires the existence of debian/copyright, for instance. [12:39] hrm [12:39] well, it exists :) [12:39] dholbach: The REJECT mail didn't say what the problem was? [12:39] dholbach: debian/copyright was just an example. I don't know if they added other checks, too. [12:40] ok got it [12:40] sorry [12:41] mdke added the pre-depends on dpkg in debian/control, not in debian/control.in === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-44-139.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] cjwatson, would you be so kind to gimme the lines that ubuntu uses to do re-spins? === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] pygi: I'm sorry, could you clarify exactly what you're talking about? respins of what? [01:04] cjwatson, of iso images. mkisofs/genisoimage lines === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] pygi: we don't do respins; we build every image from scratch [01:05] cjwatson, that's what I meant :P [01:05] pygi: the code is all in http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/ (check out the things listed in configs/devel as well) === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5d0:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] cjwatson, will do, thank you [01:06] why does vmware drive my PC speaker mad? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.0.85] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] cjwatson, no mkisofs lines in cdimage mainline, but I'll checkout the things in config/devel [01:10] pygi: it's in debian-cd [01:10] yup, hunting it now [01:10] easier to follow if you have all the bits though === iceman__ [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] seb128: virtualbox-ose in the process of uploading. Please accept at your leisure. [01:25] cjwatson, I think amd64 and i386 images could easily be built by some simple libisofs frontend [01:26] I gotta create one for fedora some time in the future, so you might want to try it when it's done [01:26] ion_: You are correct. The test system I was using evidently has some difference. [01:26] pygi: does libisofs do jigdo? [01:26] cjwatson, no, not really [01:26] that's necessary for us [01:27] sadly, I have 0 clues about jigdo :-/ === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] cjwatson, are you aware of any specification for jigdo? === Zdra [n=zdra@185.228-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] I guess jigdo isn't really the task for libisofs directly, but rather some fronted? [01:33] <\sh> doko, when you listen, what could be wrong when gcc -m32 -o bla foo.c doesn't work [01:33] well, regarding cdrtools. I've been in contact with Joerg S. (upstream) and pygi about it. [01:34] we are both not really interested in maintaining it properly, like in doing more maintenance than packaging, mainly because we both think the support upstream gives is best suited for this package for several reasons (which do not really matter here) [01:35] its right that we have cdrkit, which is a fork from a quite old version of cdrecord [01:35] upstream of cdrecord has done quite a lot of work in cdrtools, like adding blue ray support and improving a lot of things in mkisofs [01:35] pygi: talk to Steve McIntyre [01:36] therefore I do think that it is worthwile to have it in multiverse [01:36] from the licencing, I do think the lincense should be good enough for multiverse [01:36] if the ftpmasters disagree, I'm curious to read the reject message [01:36] and will discuss it with upstream [01:36] cjwatson, oki, I'll try to hunt for him [01:36] <\sh> siretart, you want to discuss it with joerg schilling? [01:37] \sh: I had a several hour phone conversation with him. yes === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@4-81.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@138.131.206.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] <\sh> siretart, I wonder if Joerg is going away of his decission to change the licence... [01:38] cjwatson, would you mind telling me his nick if you know? [01:38] pygi: Sledge [01:38] <\sh> anyways...I wonder what's wrong with gcc and friends not wanting to run with -m32 [01:38] cjwatson, ah, right ... he's always busy :-/ === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD54D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] pygi: have you tried e-mail, or only IRC? [01:39] cjwatson, irc, but I'll talk, no worries [01:39] or you could mail the debian-cd list [01:39] got it [01:40] Riddell: DESKTOP_SESSION is always set inside kdm, isn't it? [01:40] \sh: ideally, joerg wants to have cdrtools to be licenced as CDDL completely. this isn't possible atm because of 2 parts: smaller hfs related parts of mkisofs, the hfs support library and the schily autoconf system (which are all derived from GPL software) [01:40] \sh: he has no interest going back to GPL for reasons that are rather difficult to understand [01:40] seb128: re cvxopt copyright file: I've looked at the copyright file again and it mentions the LGPL at the end of the file (see http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/cvxopt/current/copyright) [01:41] <\sh> siretart, yeah, I read some mails about those issues... [01:41] seb128: did that answer your question regarding cdrtools? [01:42] seb128: the mentions projects have their files below src/C/SuiteSparse === ogra wonders why edubuntu-addon-meta still shows up on "anastacia", it was added to the ship-addon seed yesterday [01:42] cjwatson: set to "kde" yes [01:43] well, I suppose its different for other desktops [01:43] Riddell: excellent, thanks [01:43] gdm has it set to "default" [01:47] ogra: your seed change didn't work because you used a source package name [01:47] ogra: if you want to include all binaries from that source, the syntax is "* %edubuntu-addon-meta" [01:47] oh, crap, indeed === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.86.102.158.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] <\sh> doko, I have the strange feeling that compiling 32bit on amd64 is somewhat broken...using -m32 === pedro [n=pedro@pc-79-217-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD54D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigon_ [n=bigon@193.253-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] <\sh> argl [02:06] <\sh> doko, unping..gcc-multilib was missing for building -m32 binaries on amd64 === predius [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] <\sh> eventually you think about adding it as dep to lib32gcc1 package === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD692F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] iwj: uhmm, Brian told me the same yesterday, I guess it has something to do with the QA Tracker being able to set tag (but had to use some forcing parameters to python-launchpad-bugs Brian gave me), now the tracker should be using the ubuntuqa account and shouldn't cause any kind of problem anymore (I'm looking at my bugmail though) === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] iwj: It happened yesterday at ~20:00 UTC, did you see that again today ? [02:20] seb128: what bit of GNOME is responsible for starting gnome-settings-daemon? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] asac: did you see the mail from Jon Villalovos about invoke-rc.d and NM? What do you think about his suggestion? [02:23] stgraber: I saw changes at 22ish UTC yesterday, yes, but nothing since then. [02:23] stgraber: The thing that's odd about it is that it seems to have involved changes to descriptions. === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir in greeting [02:24] Hi Hobbsee [02:24] Mithrandir: I chatted with him yesterday ... I have to test it and will do a cherry-picked upload for that. [02:24] asac: ok, it would be good if you could prioritise that, as it's causing them some pain. [02:24] Eg in bug 131284 a pair of leading spaces were mangled into a pair of =C2=A0 (in Q-P UTF-8). [02:24] Launchpad bug 131284 in yelp "about ubuntu menu item results in page not found" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131284 [02:25] Mithrandir: yes thats why i plan to do a quick upload for that [02:25] hi geser [02:25] iwj: yes and looking at the change I find no diff ... [02:25] asac: excellent, thanks. === boggle [i=spindler@nat/canonical/x-614635b01dfc47f8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === deadwill [n=deadwill@146037.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] ** Description changed: [02:27] ... [02:27] - Page not found [02:27] + =C2=A0=C2=A0Page not found [02:28] ouch [02:28] (When I ask my MUA to show me the Q-P.) [02:28] and that's the result of a .tags.append("iso-testing") and a .commit() [02:29] Mithrandir, seb128: Could one of you accept virtualbox-ose in source NEW, please? === maniacmusician_ [n=maniacmu@66.251.25.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako_ [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] StevenK: is that the version with non-free source in the orig.tar.gz? there was a discussion about virtualbox on the debian-devel ML [02:34] It has dfsg in the version. So no. [02:35] the problem is that it contains non-free source in the dfsg tarball [02:36] It does? [02:36] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/09/msg00115.html [02:36] geser: No spoiling my night. [02:36] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/09/msg00125.html === StevenK sighs. [02:40] Well, no fixed virtualbox-ose yet. [02:40] seb128, Mithrandir: Please REJECT it, due to what geser pointed out. === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Skiessi [n=qwe@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe88fb00-133.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] StevenK: rejected. === illovae [n=illovae@82.255.252.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-64-132.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] yay, bloodbath === ion_ managed to make a script that synchronizes apts, aptitudes and debfosters opinions about automatically/manually installed packages. [02:54] Mithrandir: Thank you [02:56] <\sh> did someone do something with ion3-xinerama-mod package? [02:56] <\sh> I just received very strange mails about it [02:56] it was moved to multiverse afaik? [02:57] yes [02:57] <\sh> hmm... [02:57] <\sh> see #launchpad pls :) === chmj [n=nik0n@138.188.109.13] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] asac: ah sorry - I never got that. I'll resend it. === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rnorwood [i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-0dc5704362c6a4f9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] Riddell: looking into the broken sip4-qt3 after your last upload ... do you really want to have sipconfig.py in python-sip4 ? [03:21] doko: it was a quick fix because mountconfig needed it, I didn't look into why it was needed I'm afraid [03:21] Riddell: your quick fix did remove sipconfig.py from all packages ... [03:22] and missing replaces. === cr3 [n=cr3@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] <\sh> doko, is it possible to add gcc-multilib as dep or recommends to at least lib32gcc1? without this package nobody can compile 32bit apps/libs on amd64 (running x86_64 arch) [03:33] \sh: absolutely no [03:35] Luke: where did you send it? maybe open a bug ... thats far better to track for me [03:37] <\sh> doko, and whatabout a hint in the description of lib32gcc1? ;) I wonder if it's obvious that you need gcc-multilib when you want to use e.g. -m32 [03:38] \sh: we usually don't add suggests in libraries for development packages [03:40] <\sh> doko, I know...so, where do we document this for developers (!= package maintainers) who don't know about the existence of gcc-multilib [03:43] \sh: why, or for what do you need to build something with -m32? [03:44] we don't support a complete biarch development environment [03:45] Riddell: fixed your "quick fix" ;p [03:45] <\sh> doko, it hasn't to do anything with packaging, but when you need (as a software developer) some software, which doesn't run natively on x86_64, but as 32bit compilation (with the provided biarch libs we have) .. so you start with gcc -m32...and this doesn't work without installin this multilib package... === RemoteVi1wer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] \sh: as a developer you should install the compiler, and have a look what the compiler package suggests ... === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD692F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] doko: great, thanks [03:48] doko: did you look at the python qt dbus issue too? [03:48] Riddell: would you mind building kde4 using g++-4.2 -fhidden-visibility? [03:49] Riddell: I did, but the package did fail to build due to the python-sip4 mess [03:49] doko: post feature freeze that would make me very scared [03:49] what does kde 4 have to do with python sip? [03:51] Riddell: I don't know [03:54] doko: We played that game earlier - it made the modules not load at all. === dexem [n=dani@191.Red-88-23-206.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] StevenK: with g++-4.2? [03:56] Nope, not with g++-4.2 === agoliveira is now known as agoliveira_brb [03:57] StevenK: according to Riddell upstream builds their packages with 4.2 by default === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@dsl-207-112-42-60.tor.primus.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira_brb is now known as agoliveira === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] Heya [04:11] Could some kindly archive admin please give back player? [04:12] Should build with newer python-central [04:13] StevenK: that was KDE 3, I've no idea how kde 4 reacts to hidden-visibility or even how to enable it [04:16] do be do be dooo [04:16] Ahh [04:18] cjwatson: gnome-session starts gnome-settings-daemon but it can also be spawned when required (that happens when running some applications like the appearance capplet out of GNOME) [04:19] bddebian: archive admins can't do give-backs, buildd-admins can. I've done a give-back now === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D81D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] siretart: yes, I'm not sure we should have it duplicated though [04:20] Mithrandir: Oh, sorry, I did not know there was a difference [04:20] And Thank You :-) [04:22] <\sh> keescook, ping question about drupal in feisty (5.1 is exploitable...) [04:24] geser: alright, cvxopt accepted === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD9508D5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@dhcp-131-114-3-71.di.unipi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@dhcp-131-114-3-71.di.unipi.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving."] [04:48] sladen, bug 126987 sounds like the return of the broken icon cache (i think dholbach fixed that once in former releases) [04:48] Launchpad bug 126987 in network-manager "The NetworkManager applet could not find some required resources. It cannot continue." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126987 === norsetto [n=norsetto@host131-238-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] sladen: running it under strace -e open,stat could help to find out what's wrong [04:50] but yeah, it could be the icon cache [04:50] in bug 137760 it reports some detail at least, i wonder why it doesnt do that with other stuff [04:50] Launchpad bug 137760 in gnome-power-manager "Network Manager applet cannot show Connection Information window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137760 [04:51] although it should use dh_icons now - debian/rules looks fine === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-47-39-199.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:53] seb128: Can you give the gimp 2.4.0~rc2 in my PPA a once over? [04:53] StevenK: will do [04:53] <\sh> keescook, please have a look at bug 137762, I'm trying to secfix the dapper version as well, and will have a look at edgy..(dapper will be horrible) [04:53] Bug 137762 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/137762 is private === agoliveira is now known as agoliveira_lunch === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD692F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc1-darl2-0-0-cust64.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] stgraber: ping/ === jgoss [n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:13] seb128: we need to have it duplicated because of licencing reasons. cdrtools (IMO) not suitable for universe nor main, but that's something I cannot really answer. An archive admin would need to assess that === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:15] Are we supposed to update the Maintainer field for -Xbuild1 revisions? [05:16] bddebian: no [05:17] geser: Thx === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayeco [n=mayeco@201.218.123.111] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] seb128: oh, right, it's hardcoded in /usr/bin/gnome-session; I was looking for configuration files. thanks [05:24] keescook, jdstrand: I've been looking at bug 120085 [05:24] Launchpad bug 120085 in sysklogd "Various problems running syslogd with "-u syslog" option" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120085 [05:25] it seems that syslogd is not running under the syslog user since edgy [05:26] mathiaz: so this may be an upgrade issue? [05:26] ogra did the first merge of sysklogd in feisty [05:26] keescook: well it seems that there are two issues in the bug [05:26] tepsipakki: great! I didn't get a lot of authentication users tested, so if you got ldap, that's good. :) [05:26] one for dapper and one for gutsy [05:26] but he did not follow the merge policy so we cannot tell what he intended [05:27] (i.e. he didn't list the changes being kept) [05:27] oh, but that list went into 1.4.1-20ubuntu2 I think [05:27] it does not list pitti's privilege dropping patch, so it looks like that's when it was dropped [05:28] well.. the privilege dropping patch is still there [05:28] mathiaz: sure enough, I checked a dapper box and syslog is running as non-root [05:28] mathiaz: long-time dapper box too [05:28] mathiaz: clearly not working :) [05:28] oh, sorry [05:28] jdstrand: yes. in dapper in runs under syslog user [05:28] the user privilege patch is still there [05:28] mathiaz: well, that will make it easier to track down [05:29] well the problem is tracked down. [05:29] the reload action in the script has changed [05:29] the diff is a mess, it has a changelog.orig and random changelog edits [05:29] it sends a HUP signal instead of stop/start [05:29] control.orig [05:29] cjwatson: yes. I've seen that. [05:30] cjwatson: there is also a new version in debian (that is actually a new version from upstream) [05:30] cjwatson: after three or four years.. [05:30] mathiaz: have you tried the old stop/start behavior on a newer than dapper box? [05:31] jdstrand: that would work then. [05:31] mathiaz: it's broken because it does SYSLOGD="-u syslog" and then sources /etc/default/syslogd, which sets SYSLOGD="" [05:31] jdstrand: but that means that logging stops for some time [05:31] it should source the configuration files and then do something like SYSLOGD="$SYSLOGD -u syslog" [05:32] cjwatson: correct. But running under the syslog user requires some changes in the cron script that rotates logs [05:32] cjwatson: and we should also take care of changing the ownership when upgrading the package [05:32] cjwatson: the ownership of log files I meant [05:32] yes [05:33] cjwatson: would this be accepted in gutsy ? [05:34] the other solution would be to remove the -u syslog option from the init script and run syslogd asroot [05:34] which is the case for edgy and feisty === ogra wonders if he did anything wrong ... === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] mathiaz: yes [05:37] mathiaz: it's clearly a regression [05:37] privileges were intended to be dropped, and now they are not === tormod [n=tormod@138.131.206.211] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [05:38] ogra: ok, it was just hard to tell from the changelog whether it was your change or not :) changelog entries in edgy indicated that the privilege dropping patch had been preserved [05:38] and yours was the first one that wasn't clear [05:38] ah, right [05:38] intresting that it shows up in the edgy changelog but isnt used there either apparently [05:39] cjwatson: another solution would be to use an apparmor profile to protect syslogd [05:39] mathiaz, will that affect remote loggon in any way ? [05:39] *logging [05:40] (i need that in ltsp=) [05:40] ogra: I'm not sure if it would. [05:40] ogra: in ltsp you need to be able to enable remote logging on the server [05:40] right [05:40] ogra: and also on the clients [05:40] we have the override file in /etc/ltsp for that atm [05:41] (for the server) [05:41] well, the clients just use logger which points to the server [05:41] ogra: the client don't have a syslogd running ? [05:41] we dont add any extra confoig there [05:41] right === agoliveira_lunch is now known as agoliveira [05:42] ogra: ok. So you just run syslogd with the -r option on the server. [05:42] oh, wait [05:42] we enabled it in feisty [05:42] so we have syslog running on the clients [05:42] and yes, we enable syslog with -r [05:43] the initscript respects /etc/ltsp/syslog if it exists === pygi [n=mario@83-131-64-132.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [05:43] ogra: yes. correct. [05:43] err ... *syslogd [05:43] ogra: on the clients, syslogd is setup to do remote logging on the server ? [05:43] yes [05:44] ogra: I don't see any problem with an apparmor profile in that case. [05:44] /etc/syslog.conf gets: *.* @ during a client boot === dendrobates is now known as dendro-away [05:46] mathiaz: I don't think apparmor is a substitute for dropping syslogd's privileges [05:47] doko: can you please look at the build log http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/28/libtritonus-java_20070428-3_gutsy32.buildlog [05:47] doko: [javac] /usr/bin/ecj-bootstrap: line 26: /usr/bin/gij-4.2: No such file or directory [05:48] cjwatson: why ? [05:48] doko: who is missing the depends on gij-4.2? it is ecj-bootstrap or should libtritonus-java build-depend on gij-4.2? [05:49] cjwatson: I agree [05:49] mathiaz: I have been thinking about this and feel that apparmor would be good additional protection for remote logging [05:50] mathiaz: however, running it as an unprivileged user gives additional local protections (as keescook mentioned yesterday) [05:51] mathiaz: when it runs as root, a bug in syslog that could be triggered locally (eg via its conf file, etc) would allow full access [05:51] mathiaz: running as an unprivileged user protects against that [05:51] mathiaz: doing *both* is ideal [05:52] geser: ecj-bootstrap is gone, this should be ecj [05:52] jdstrand: full access ? I don't see why - if access is not granted in the profile, the process won't have access to the ressource. [05:52] geser: Well since you are the java expert now, fix freemind ;-P [05:53] Hobbsee: pong [05:53] mathiaz: this gets at the hard links issue keescook mentioned [05:53] stgraber: what did iyou actually change with https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/122500 ? [05:53] Launchpad bug 122500 in ubiquity "Kubuntu - Mount dialog always gets shown when the disk is mounted, in the middle of the install" [Undecided,Fix released] [05:53] just lots of security layers. :) [05:53] Hobbsee: tag using python-launchpad-bugs [05:54] Hobbsee: it's the new script we are using for the QA tracker [05:54] keescook: ok. I see your point. [05:54] keescook: exactly [05:54] Hobbsee: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-tracker-devel/ubuntu-qa-tracker/trunk/annotate/stgraber%40ubuntu.com-20070904221630-ycv4fev6s04nqvbr?file_id=lpintegration.py-20070901183400-o9v3rkpvbowj3yam-3 === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-bea27c2ac5c222f3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:55] Hobbsee: it's the tagBug function [05:55] jdstrand, keescook: could you re-explain the hardlink issue ? [05:55] Hobbsee: uhm, in fact that code isn't really up to date, let me upload the new one somewhere [05:56] mathiaz: sure. in the case that you have unconfined processes that are "attacker controlled" (i.e. a local malicious user) [05:56] Hobbsee: http://paste.stgraber.org/3407 here is the one that's currently running [05:56] you can (possibly) set up an environment that AppArmor wasn't expecting [05:56]