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beunonixternal, mdke, anyone one who added "Mario Danic" to the planet?02:28
beunotheres spam all over it02:28
nixternalI just noticed that when I opened akregator02:35
=== popey has checked out the planet bzr and is editing him out of it
popeylooks like his domain expired02:35
popeywill email him to let him know02:35
popey(on his gmail account registered in launchpad)02:35
beunopopey, I'm pushing the changes too  :D02:36
beunohow did he get on the planet not being an ubuntu member?02:36
nixternalI am going to temporarily #comment out his account02:36
beunonixternal:02:37
beunobeuno@beuno-laptop:~/ubuntu/planet-ubuntu$ bzr push sftp://beuno@bazaar.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main02:37
beunoPushed up to revision 287.02:37
beunoremoved02:37
beuno:D02:37
beunopopey, ^02:37
popeyhem02:37
popeymeh even02:37
nixternalok, thanks02:37
popeybeat me to it :)02:37
beunohow did he get on the planet in the first place?02:37
popeywel02:37
nixternalisn't he a dev?02:37
beunohttp://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main/revision?start_revid=mario%40frugal-20060924115213-7fe29619f099b85e&file_id=config.ini-20060801091459-2bb99d9d3e935c0102:37
popeylikely his domain just expired thats all02:37
beunotheres the revision02:37
popeynothing nefarious02:37
beunoright, just curious02:38
nixternalahh, that is pygi, he should have been removed months ago when he quit working on edubuntu02:38
beuno(that also makes me think if expired memberships should be removed or not from the planet)02:38
nixternalbeuno: just remove his account totally...he isn't a member anymore I don't think02:38
nixternalI think he quit everything02:38
popeyexpire: 2008-09-03 13:17:41 (registry time)02:39
popeyhis domain expired 3 days ago02:39
popeypicked up by search spammers02:39
beunoright, quick bastards02:39
beunowe should send an email *somewhere* so we can discuss if expired members get their blogs removed  (I think it makes sense)02:41
popeyrt@admin.canonical.com and cc: Marios gmail account as specified in launchpad?02:42
beunopopey, that would be the procedure to remove his blog I believe (although in this case I think it's pretty clear it should be removed first)02:43
beunoI send an email now02:43
popeyproblem is that it's not the result of Mario being an ex-ubuntu person, but the fact that his domain expired.. which is something different02:43
popeyi.e. if my domain expired (it has happened) then I'd expect people to remove mine02:43
beunoright, the other one isn't related, just popped into my head  :D02:43
popeyor let me know :)02:43
popeyahhh02:43
=== popey isnt making conections right now :)
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popeynn02:44
beunoheh02:44
beunosleep well popey02:44
mdkebeuno: given that continuing ubuntu membership doesn't really require continuous contribution to Ubuntu, there's no real value in insisting people are removed from planet when they stop working on ubuntu08:22
popeymorning mdke08:51
mdkemorning popey08:52
popeyi thought  membership was supposed to "run out" after 2 years unless you go back to the CC?08:52
mdkepopey: so did I, but actually what seems to happen is that it's indefinitely renewable by the individual08:52
mdkeapparently that is intentional, even though I personally don't like it much08:53
popeyhmm08:54
popeyah well08:54
popey:)08:54
mdkewow, pavarotti died08:54
popeyyeah08:54
popeyftp://ftp.freiesmagazin.de/2007/freiesMagazin-2007-09.pdf wow - what a really well done magazine09:55
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popeyanother screencast goes live \o/10:44
popeycan someone tell me what email address is assigned to my user under drupal on the fridge02:03
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beunopopey, alan_at_popey.com04:09
popeyhmm, I am not getting the password reminders04:09
popeycould someone please reset my password and tell me what it is?04:10
beunomdke, I'm not sure perpetual membership is the best idea either...    myabe it was implemented because of the lack of time of the CC?   streamlined membership should take care of that04:10
Rinchenpopey, do you need a pw reset on fridge?04:15
popeyRinchen: beuno just did it, thank you04:17
Rinchengreat, thanks04:17
tckpopey, just isn't happening04:36
popeytck: eh?04:47
tckin regards to list04:49
popeyahhh04:49
popeypatience is a virtue04:49
tcki was told two days ago it would be done , thats after 2 weeks04:49
popeyI'd demand a refund if I was you04:50
tcksure04:50
tckdefinitely04:50
tckits about perception04:50
tckand if locos have to go through hoops everytime to get something minor as this, they'll just give up04:50
popeywell, that clearly isn't the case is it04:51
popeyand you're not going through any hoops04:51
tckim very determined ;)04:51
popeyyou're waiting04:51
popeyno, i mean, there are lots of loco teams04:51
popeyso this clearly isn't a major deal that lots of people give up is it?04:51
tcki doubt people had to wait this long popey not even yourself04:51
popeyhow long have you been waiting?04:52
tckwhich lists did you get, screen casts?04:52
popeyyes04:52
tckaug 19th04:52
popeyI honestly don't recall how long I waited, i just sent the message off and left it04:52
beunotck, I waited around 2 months for the -ar list04:52
tckar ?04:52
popeyArgentina04:53
tckouch :P04:53
tckit prob. takes under 10 mins to set a list up04:53
popeyi can see from both sides04:54
popeyi am one of the administrators for lug.org.uk, and we setup mailman accounts for UK LUGs04:54
popeyand we don't do it "in 10 mins"04:54
tckwell from first notice to creationg prob. not04:55
tckbut the actual process of doing it, once you know it has to be created04:55
tck*Creation04:55
beunotck, I believe it has to do woth the queue of things in front of it then the time it actually takes to create it04:56
popeywell, for us, yes, it doesn't take _that_ long of course04:56
tckbeuno, i agree04:56
popeyindeed, plus the other things the people have to do04:56
popeypriorities04:56
tckthis is why i think something has to change, like set aside the work for somebody else04:56
tckbeuno, waiting two months for your loco list is ridiculous04:56
beunotck, I've read that jono is working on that04:57
tckbeuno, ok04:57
popeytck: what do you think should be delayed so they can work through mailing lists?04:58
RinchenW00t!04:58
popeythe release, security updates?04:58
=== Rinchen just got the Fridge bumped up in priority on Canonical's queue!
=== Rinchen does the happy dance.
beunoyay!04:59
=== beuno puts on music to make Rinchen's dance less akward
popeyheh04:59
popeywhats being done to it?04:59
RinchenNothing will make my dancing less awkward :-)04:59
popeysome bug fixes?04:59
popeyany of you lot going to UDS?04:59
RinchenWell, we're going to start with the raft of bug fixes and theme improvements.  Then, we've been given the go ahead to look at revamping it completely.05:00
RinchenI'll be at UDS but probably just the last day, I have other meetings during that time.05:00
=== beuno has applied for sponsorship and is waiting to hear back
RinchenAlan, let's make sure to meetup. mrevell-tea will be there too05:01
tckpopey, nothing should be delayed, but if jono wants somebody to look after, contribute or help out in anyway05:01
tcki want to help05:01
tckso for loco teams in the future can get going quickly05:01
mrevellpopey, Rinchen: Yep, a meet-up would be good.05:01
mrevellpopey: Good to hear you'll be at UDS, btw. Schwuk'll be there too, Mirco, Jono ... quite a few LugRadio types :)05:05
popeyyay05:05
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RinchenI just hope he doesn't start doing backflips over the beds.  hehe05:09
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mdkebeuno: no, apparently it is policy10:01
beunomdke, aaah, weird, but I'm sure there's a reason, thanks for the info  :D10:02
Rinchenwell, we're going to fix that via launchpad :-)10:03
mdkebeuno: well, I'm not sure, but still10:03
Rinchenhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/team-mailing-lists-schema-changes10:03
RinchenShould be available by the end of the year10:04
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mdkeI don't think that's related, unless I missed a part of the discussion10:04
beunomdke, I think that ties in with tck's conversation10:05
Rinchenah sorry, I missed part of it while rebooting. I thought you were discussing the mailing list issue. My bad.10:05
mdkeah, I hadn't caught up on the scrollback10:05
mdkeooh. This Canonical queue sounds interesting. I'd like to have documentation on there10:07
mdkehow does it work?10:07
mdkeRinchen: ^10:08
Rinchenmailing lists or the queue?10:08
mdkethe queue10:08
Rinchenwell, I plan out with all the teams their commitments to each release.10:09
Rinchene.g. this release:10:09
Rinchenhttps://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+milestone/1.1.910:09
mdkelaunchpad teams or all Canonical teams?10:09
Rinchenall teams can use it but this the Launchpad specific area10:09
Rinchenbtw, I use edge for testing10:09
mdkeright. presumably the fridge is a non-launchpad area10:10
Rinchenso you can drop edge if you want the normal view10:10
=== mdke nods
Rinchenyes10:10
RinchenSo you can setup milestones, dependencies, etc.... anyone can10:10
Rinchenand mailing lists will be associated with each team if they want them10:10
Rinchennot sure if that covered your exact question10:10
mdkeno, i mean this concept of bumping projects up in the Canonical queue you mentioned10:11
RinchenOH!10:11
Rinchenhehe sorry10:11
mdkeit sounds like there is a way for projects to have more or less importance10:11
Rinchenit's my way of saying that I've increased the priority given to the Fridge by Canonical resources10:12
Rinchenthere is no "queue" per se10:12
mdkeoh ok10:12
mdkestill, interesting...10:12
RinchenI wrote a big note about how the Fridge needs love and it got attention.10:12
RinchenI made a convincing argument when I included fridge-like urls that are doing news and such.10:13
Rinchenand the fact that nixternal's theme improvements have not yet been applied.  etc10:14
mdkeyou mean other sites?10:15
mdkesounds cool10:17
Rinchenyes... ubuntunew.something, etc.  I found a few of the big ones10:17
mdkewe have loads of those for documentation :)10:17
Rinchenindeed :-)10:17
RinchenSo the short term goal is to fix all the bugs and theme10:18
Rinchenthe longer term goal is work on proposals for overhauling the fridge10:18
mdkecool10:18
mdkewe definitely need some of that love for documentation10:18
=== beuno wants the fridge to be *the* place for information for the community while UDS is going on
popeyso those of us who are going should blog on the fridge?10:38
=== popey notes the fridge isn't syndicated on planet ubuntu
popeymaybe it should be?10:38
beunopopey, that's actually an interesting idea...10:39
popeyalso note that each person who has a logon to the fridge _has_ a blog on the fridge10:39
popeywhich they can elect to promote to the front page10:39
beunoalthough it would duplicate information for those of us who already have it syndicated seperatly10:39
popey"it"?10:39
beunothe fridge and planet10:40
mdkesummaries of each day would be really helpful10:40
beunomdke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingUbuntuDevelopmentConferences10:40
beunoI have a spec for that  :D10:40
Rinchenbeuno, re: UDS info zone - yeah, that would be nifty10:41
beunoso if I don't manage to go, I'll need to find a few volunteers to help me get that done10:41
mdkegood one; lately the ubuntu development process has become so focused on the conferences and specs that it's difficult to follow sometimes10:41
popeyhow about creating a category on the fridge, and only subscribing that to planet ubuntu?10:41
popeyso not every article appears10:41
popeyplus you can subscribe it and then remove it after10:41
RinchenWe did summaries on the Fridge a while back. UDS MTV maybe? Sometime before I joined the editors team10:42
beunoI actually think having the fridge syndicated on the planet is a good idea10:42
popeywe don't get enough articles on fridge to make it spammy on the planet10:42
beunoRinchen, yeap, although I personally would love to have videos to understand why some decisions where made10:42
Rinchenpopey, can I ask a favour?  Can you update  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Rejuvenate   with your ideas and pass this to fridge-devel please?10:43
RinchenI'd like to get some comments going there10:43
popeyI will gladly take a video camera and record every talk I am in10:43
popeyif I have enough tapes10:43
beunothe last UDS was a complete mystery to everybody who didn't attend. All we know is that jono spelt on a couch10:43
popeyhahah10:43
Rinchenhehe10:43
popeyhttp://jonobaconfanclub.co.uk/ :)10:44
RinchenWhen the loco team folks are the UDS, they usually blog about the events10:44
beunoor slept  :p10:44
popeymy fault, sorry10:44
beunohahahaaaaaaaaaaa10:44
Rinchenwell at least his mouth isn't open10:44
popeymarquee and blink are ironic I hasten to add10:44
beunoI did not know about that!10:44
beunopopey, it would rick if you could record them!10:45
popeywell, each one is an hour, there are ~7 hours in a day for 5 days, so thats 35 tapes10:45
Rinchenpopey, idea:10:46
beunopopey, the idea would be to divide the task among 3 or 4 people at least10:46
RinchenCanonical has an icecast service setup internally. We may be able to extend that for the UDS10:46
RinchenYou'd have to talk to Jono about that though.  Not my area.10:46
popeyok, so a few people with cameras10:46
popeysome people don't like being on camera10:46
popeywould be worth asking canonical if they mind10:47
beunoyes, and even video streaming would be nice, they have that setup very nicely at debconf10:47
popeyit could be that development is stifled if people are on camera and they feel they cant talk frankly10:47
Rinchenpopey, actually, I'm going to email about the rejuv page10:48
Rinchenbut I hope you can contribute to it10:48
beunopopey, I saw a talk a few weeks ago Mark gave in 2005 in which he said "all of Ubuntu's development is done in the open, nothing behind closed doors or private lists"10:48
RinchenPretty please with sugar on top10:48
beunoso I expect UDS have the same spirit :D10:48
popeyhahaahah10:48
popeyi am pretty sure that one of the teams (desktop or distro) had a meeting today where they decided that alternate meetings would be private10:49
beunoand since the next release is going to be LTS, I think it's even more critical that it's well recorded10:49
beunooh, not good10:49
beunonot good at all...10:50
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popey#ubuntu-meeting today10:51
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popey12:24:03 < kwwii> right, ok...let's just plan every second meeting to be private then10:52
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beunodid they agree?10:53
popeyi believe so10:53
popeythat was 12:24 BST which is 11:24 UTC10:53
beuno< cjwatson> my team is trying out 50/50 FWIW10:57
beunoaaaaargh...10:57
beunoI'll have to start emailing people now...10:58
beuno:(10:58
beunomdke, you're CC, how should I bring up this subject?10:59
beunohmmm...  and also much of what they talk about is in a Canonical's wiki, which isn't publicly available either...11:03
Rinchenok email sent11:15
popeyto?11:16
Rinchenfridge-devel11:16
Rinchenand why is the topic locked on #ubuntu-fridge?11:17
popeyit is?11:18
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popeyno11:19
popeyhmm, now I have to remember how to deop11:19
beunopopey, -nick in the same command11:19
popeyque?11:20
beunopopey, /msg nickserv op -popey #ubuntu-fridge11:20
popeyahh11:20
popeynope11:21
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beunoor: /deop popey #ubuntu-fridge11:21
popeythat got it!11:21
beuno:D11:21
popeyRinchen: feel free to change the topic :)11:21
RinchenI'm not allowed11:24
Rinchen* #ubuntu-fridge :You need to be a channel operator to do that11:24
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popeygo for it11:24
Rinchenwhoa11:25
Rinchencoool11:25
Rinchenmaybe I should bow down now11:25
popeyAIUI anyone with an ubuntu or canonical cloak can op themselves in #ubuntu-* channels11:25
beunoreally??11:26
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beunooh11:26
beunointeresting...11:26
popey:)11:26
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popeyperk of being an ubuntu member and/or canonical employee11:26
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Rinchenwow11:28
beunothat should be known a but more, shouldn't it?   I've been in situations a couple of times in #ubuntu* channels in which I had to find an op for some spammer11:28
beunos/but/bit  :p11:29
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beunomy keyboard hates me today11:29
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popeywell, at least I now feel useful being here :)11:29
Rinchensweet op all works11:29
Rinchendoesn't seem to work on -meeting though11:30
Rinchenbut that's quite alright.11:30
RinchenI was just annoyed that fridge editors didn't have access the #ubuntu-fridge11:31
Rinchens/the/to11:31
popey-meeting might be special;11:31
popeyworks for me11:32
popey22:32:12 -!- mode/#ubuntu-meeting [+o popey]  by ChanServ11:32
Rinchenkinda sucks that I lost my ubuntu members cloak when I joined Canonical. I'm still on the  LP team but Canonical overrides it.11:33
Rinchenotoh, I have a huge cloak as is11:33
beunoI don't have access to -meeting either11:34
Rinchenin my case, i don't need it. :-)11:35
RinchenPaul never answered my request for help on this channel either. I'm beginning to wonder if he's alive.11:36
mdkebeuno: sorry, I'll try and catch up on the scrollback, not sure what you're talking about11:36
RinchenI hope he is.11:36
popeymdke: i was in a meeting of the (distro perhaps) team who said they were alternating between public and private meetings11:36
popeybeuno said he recalled that mark has commented that ubuntu conducts everything in public11:36
beunoit's on video  :D11:36
mdkewhat's the reason for the privacy?11:37
popeydunno, it was in -meeting today at 12:40 BST11:37
popeykeybuk and cjwatson discussed it11:38
beunomdke, I read through the log and they don't specify a reason, they just all implicetly agree some parts should be held on private, I assume it had been discussed before11:38
popeydo you have the log or would you like me to spit mine out?11:38
popeyoh, you found an online copy of the log beuno ?11:38
mdkeI can't see it on fabbione's logs11:39
beunopopey, I'm with irssi so I jus scrolled back too  :p11:39
mdketo be honest, I was thinking recently that more publicity is needed for distro meetings, not less11:40
mdkethere is very little by way of summaries sent around, it only happens occasionally afaics, although I may be missing something11:40
beunomdke, fabbione's logs don't go that far yet11:40
=== mdke nods
popeyhttp://popey.com/attachments/%23ubuntu-meeting.log11:40
popey12:40 today11:40
popey12:15:36 < Keybuk> and the next meeting question is whether you think the meeting should be public or private?11:41
beuno08:16 < Mithrandir> agreed, public is better, we can have private meetings in between or switch to 50/50 if we end up having lots of private things coming up11:41
beunoand:11:42
beuno08:27 < Keybuk> next up; you should have all seen the Team Mission?  It's up on the Canonical wiki now, and is the same text as that I mailed out to you all11:42
beuno08:28 < Keybuk> if not, have a quick read over it now :)11:42
beuno08:28 < Keybuk> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuDesktopTeam11:42
beunolinks to the canonical wiki11:42
beunowhich is private11:42
beunoI already get very annoyed with that in Launchpad11:42
beunoI can't see many specs that have a blueprint11:43
mdkehere's the reasoning:11:43
mdke12:16:33 < Keybuk> but I also understand that the meeting is useful to ask company procedural stuff as well11:43
beunoso I end up explaining what I want to carlos, he looks it up and tells me if that's what the spec says or not11:43
mdkesounds like it's for non-development related things11:43
mdkeassuming there are separate meetings to discuss development and separate meetings to discuss company business, that doesn't sound like a problem. But splitting 50:50 on a random basis sounds pretty unreasonable11:46
beunomdke, it might be worth looking into it11:48
=== mdke nods
=== beuno cheers mdke
mdkeemailing -devel would be the way forward, I guess11:51
mdkeno need to be provocative, just to clarify things11:52
beunoabsolutely, I'm sure there are very good reasones11:52
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beunomdke, will you send off the email or should I?11:54
mdkebeuno: whichever you prefer11:54
beunoI think you'll be much more diplomatic11:56
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beunobut it's not urgent at all, so sleep well  :D11:56

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