[10:02] <kraut> moin
[12:10] <Lure_> @schedule ljubljana
[12:10] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 06 Sep 15:00: Kubuntu | 08 Sep 02:00: MOTU Team | 08 Sep 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Sep 21:00: Screencast Team | 11 Sep 17:00: Server Team meeting | 11 Sep 21:00: Technical Board
[12:57] <Riddell> morning
[12:57] <iwj> Hello.
[12:58] <mvo> hello
[01:00] <Keybuk> morning
[01:00] <Mithrandir> good morning
[01:00] <Keybuk> actually, what _do_ you say when it's exactly noon?
[01:01] <Riddell> wait a second and say good afternoon
[01:01] <iwj> `Morning' because you haven't had lunch yet.
[01:01] <Mithrandir> well, it's morning here, since it's still an hour before my core hours. :-P
[01:01] <Mithrandir> (yes, I'll stop whining now)
[01:02] <Keybuk> just waiting for Ken and Mirco
[01:04] <MacSlow> Greetings!
[01:04] <Riddell> ken's coming
[01:05] <Keybuk> ok
[01:05] <Keybuk> so, welcome everybody!
[01:05] <Keybuk> and especially welcome aboard to Mirco, who joined us this week
[01:06] <Keybuk> he'll be hacking on various UI elements and Bling for us
[01:06] <MacSlow> tata :)
[01:06] <kwwii> hi mirco, welcome
[01:06] <MacSlow> in case somebody does not know...
[01:07] <Keybuk> so, first up on the agenda; picking a suitable day and time for this meeting each week
[01:07] <Mithrandir> MacSlow: speaking of bling, I might want to borrow your brain a bit for thoughts on multitouch, at some point.  Afaik you've thought about it a bit?
[01:07] <MacSlow> Mithrandir, it's hard not to think about it
[01:08] <Mithrandir> it'd be really nice to have for mobile.
[01:08] <MacSlow> Mithrandir, two things for this are needed...
[01:09] <Mithrandir> a) spare time for Mirco, b) beer for Mirco? ;-)
[01:09] <MacSlow> 1.) a display/screen that's able to distinguish between multiple concurrent "touches"
[01:09] <Riddell> thursday fits in nicely with activity report practice
[01:09] <MacSlow> 2.) MPX in Xorg
[01:09] <kwwii> Riddell: +1
[01:09] <mvo> Riddell++
[01:10] <MacSlow> Mithrandir, btw... I don't run well on beer... mango-juice works better on me
[01:10] <kwwii> since most (all?) of us are in europe sometime before 5UTC would be good
[01:10] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: Thursday's fine.
[01:11] <Keybuk> kwwii: the average timezone is Europe/Berlin
[01:11] <kwwii> so let's pick some time in the afternoon on Thursday
[01:11] <Keybuk> my weekly phone call with the other distro team leads is on Thursday
[01:12] <Keybuk> there is some benefit to having this meeting before that phone call, since I would be able to raise issues with the other leads quickly
[01:12] <Keybuk> but there is also benefit of having it after, since I would be able to feed down issues raised
[01:12] <Keybuk> :-)
[01:13] <Riddell> Mithrandir seems to start the latest at 1200UTC, so how about then?
[01:13] <Mithrandir> yeah, I'm on roughly Brazilian time on Thursdays.
[01:13] <MacSlow> ola
[01:13] <Keybuk> I'm happy with 1200 UTC on Thursdays
[01:14] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: nice way to start the day. :-)
[01:14] <MacSlow> 1200 utc is fine
[01:14] <Keybuk> I assume that we'd like to keep it at the same "local" time, so adjust the UTC for daylight savings?
[01:14] <Mithrandir> sounds fine
[01:14] <kwwii> sounds good
[01:15] <Keybuk> and the next meeting question is whether you think the meeting should be public or private?
[01:16] <Keybuk> in the next cycle, we'll be doing a lot of "big development work" - and using the meeting to co-ordinate between the multiple people working on a spec
[01:16] <MacSlow> public if possible I'd say
[01:16] <Keybuk> I think that there's a lot of benefit to doing that in public
[01:16] <Keybuk> but I also understand that the meeting is useful to ask company procedural stuff as well
[01:16] <kwwii> I think that anything that needs to be discussed privately can be done in an email and private irc just as well
[01:17] <Mithrandir> agreed, public is better, we can have private meetings in between or switch to 50/50 if we end up having lots of private things coming up
[01:17] <MacSlow> I second kwwii thought there
[01:17] <Keybuk> we're usually on #d anyway, so private questions can always be asked in the meeting, and it can continue there after the public discussion has concluded
[01:17] <Keybuk> other thoughts/suggestions/opinions?
[01:18] <iwj> I think having a private meeting occasionally is worthwhile.
[01:18] <iwj> It means you can bring something up without having to specially make a fuss about it, iyswim.
[01:20] <Keybuk> that's also true; though if they're regularly scheduled, what happens when nobody has anything private to say?
[01:20] <MacSlow> just skip it then?
[01:20] <Mithrandir> then we can all drink caiphirinias.
[01:21] <iwj> If you can keep it short in that case, I don't see too much of a problem.
[01:21] <kwwii> how about checking the status reports and if there are enough private things in it to justify having a private meeting we do so
[01:21] <iwj> kwwii: That would defeat the purpose I mentioned above.
[01:22] <cjwatson> my team is trying out 50/50 FWIW
[01:22] <Keybuk> cjwatson: how are you scheduling that?
[01:22] <cjwatson> simple alternation
[01:23] <kwwii> iwj: if you don't put it in a status report and don't want to bring it up in irc or email how in the world are going to make your point known?
[01:23] <kwwii> honestly, it does not matter to me though
[01:23] <iwj> It's much easier to do something less formally in IRC, if it's a bit sensitive.
[01:24] <kwwii> right, ok...let's just plan every second meeting to be private then
[01:24] <iwj> I don't really have an opinion about how often it has to be.
[01:24] <MacSlow> I
[01:25] <Keybuk> the other option is to have the meeting that's on the same day as the public entire distro team meeting be a private one for our team
[01:25] <iwj> Oh, that would be very sensible.
[01:25] <MacSlow>  'm still to fresh to have enough experience to build an opionion based on that
[01:25] <kwwii> Keybuk: +1
[01:26] <Keybuk> mvo, Mithrandir, Riddell ?
[01:27] <mvo> that is fine with me
[01:27] <Riddell> sounds good
[01:27] <Keybuk> ok, let's try that for a few weeks and see if it's the right balance
[01:27] <MacSlow> alright
[01:27] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: that'd work for me.
[01:27] <Keybuk> next up; you should have all seen the Team Mission?  It's up on the Canonical wiki now, and is the same text as that I mailed out to you all
[01:28] <Keybuk> if not, have a quick read over it now :)
[01:29] <Keybuk> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuDesktopTeam
[01:31] <Keybuk> Most simply put, we'll be doing development for the desktop on top of the platform that cjwatson's team provide
[01:31] <Keybuk> obviously there's some blurring and overlap there, because Colin's team will also do development and features
[01:31] <Keybuk> and we'll also be maintaining some packages, etc.
[01:32] <Keybuk> we'll use the existing Desktop Team as our point of collaboration, so we work with seb, daniel, etc. -- I've already asked those of you who will be directly doing desktop work to join that team on LP, the mailing list and IRC channel
[01:33] <MacSlow> like it or not (term-wise) it's about the "digital life-style management" on the free desktop imo, what we're aiming for there...
[01:34] <Keybuk> (a few of you will be doing more varied work, or carrying on with the projects you're already on - so that doesn't apply to you if you don't want it to)
[01:34] <kwwii> erm, I should probably join that then
[01:34] <Keybuk> kwwii: yes :p
[01:34] <MacSlow> and therefore I would add video (home-videos, screencasts, youtube-like stuff) too
[01:34] <Mithrandir> I think I'll skip joining for now; no point in having more irc channels that I can ignore. :-P
[01:34] <Keybuk> MacSlow: the "areas of responsibility" thing is expected to expand somewhat; that's everything that we agreed for the short term
[01:35] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: *nods*
[01:35] <kwwii> is there going to be an official mobile team?
[01:35] <Keybuk> kwwii: positions are open for a lead and further developers for that team
[01:36] <kwwii> Keybuk: cool, I assume that I will stil be doing artwork for it then?
[01:36] <MacSlow> Keybuk, ok and of course potential projects to evaluate for the section "video" are a little scarce still on the free desktop... at least the kind of software we're looking for
[01:36] <Keybuk> s/lead/project manager/
[01:37] <Keybuk> kwwii: I still expect we'll receive lots of requests from other teams to help out, given the expertise we'll be building
[01:37] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: I'm not sure to what extent the project manager position is still open, as it's been taken off the web site.
[01:37] <Keybuk> (don't be surprised if RichEd asks if you want a ClassMate <g>)
[01:37] <kwwii> ;-)
[01:37] <Keybuk> don't be afraid to direct those requests to me, since if they officially want your time, they need my permission! :)
[01:38] <Keybuk> and I would like lots of your time as well <g>
[01:38] <Mithrandir> mvo: so far, their form factor is ATX. :-P
[01:38] <mvo> heh :)
[01:38] <Mithrandir> so while interesting to work with, they're not exactly portable.
[01:38] <Keybuk> so we'll be interacting a lot with Colin's team
[01:38] <MacSlow> kwwii, RichEd already tired that with me :)
[01:38] <Keybuk> I'd also like us to be interacting a lot more with upstream
[01:38] <mvo> ++
[01:38] <Keybuk> we're going to be doing a fair amount of development on top of GNOME, and it's a good idea to make sure that upstream are aware of what we're developing
[01:39] <Keybuk> and an even better idea to make them full participants in the planning, so we develop it right
[01:39] <Keybuk> for many patches, it would be ideal if when Seb updates to the next GNOME point release, our patches that were in the package can be dropped because they were also in upstream svn
[01:39] <MacSlow> right on for upstream-focus!
[01:40] <Keybuk> (for some bits, like theming work, "look and feel", etc. this obviously won't be true; but the core/code changes we make to support our theming and look&feel should be upstreamable)
[01:41] <Keybuk> any questions?
[01:43] <Keybuk> ok
[01:43] <Keybuk> finally on the general team note, we'll be hiring again
[01:44] <Keybuk> I have three approved positions, the first of which should go onto the website today if I can wander over and speak to Jo
[01:44] <Mithrandir> they are the ones you sent out in the email you sent a week or so ago?
[01:44] <Keybuk> yup
[01:45] <Keybuk> so please, if you know of useful people, forward them on to me
[01:45] <Keybuk> (remember, there's a referral bonus now <g>)
[01:46] <Keybuk> that's it from me
[01:46] <Keybuk> any other business?
[01:47] <Keybuk> no, ok then, thanks very much
[01:47] <mvo> thanks everybody
[01:47] <kwwii> thanks all
[01:52] <MacSlow> thx
[01:53] <MacSlow> Keybuk, when will all new/open positions be on the website?
[01:53] <MacSlow> to take a look and see if one knows people to recommend?
[01:53] <Keybuk> MacSlow: the first should go on today
[01:53] <Keybuk> I'll forward you the mail which has the descriptions
[01:53] <Keybuk> the others will be over the next few weeks or couple of months
[01:54] <MacSlow> ok
[01:54] <Keybuk> MacSlow: you have the mail already, Subject "Team Missions"
[02:25] <dthacker> @now
[02:25] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 06 2007, 12:25:46 - Next meeting: Kubuntu in 34 minutes
[03:02] <Hobbsee> good evening all.
[03:03] <nixternal> howdy
[03:03] <nixternal> heh, I posted in MOTU when I meant to post here
[03:03] <Riddell> hi
[03:03] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:03] <Jucato> hi! :)
[03:03] <popey> moo!
[03:03] <Hobbsee> no, cows outside.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> has everyone actually read the emails from corey?
[03:04] <Jucato> heh I even gave a +1 when I'm not supposed to :)
[03:04] <Riddell> #startmeeting
[03:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:55. The chair is Riddell.
[03:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE] 
[03:05] <Riddell> [TOPIC]  using MootBot
[03:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  using MootBot
[03:05] <jsgotangco> wow that is neat
[03:05] <nixternal> Lets just vote the +1's and get it over with :)
[03:05] <Jucato> a bot secretary. how convenient :)
[03:05] <kwwii> +1 for MootBot
[03:05] <Riddell> seems to work
[03:05] <nixternal> haha
[03:06] <Hobbsee> yes, so now we might get some timely meeting logs
[03:06] <Riddell> [TOPIC]  membership of Corey Cohen
[03:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  membership of Corey Cohen
[03:06] <Riddell> anyone else here for membership?
[03:06] <nixternal> Riddell: it works reasonably well...I noticed the dev meetings have been using them
[03:06] <Lure> Riddell: any link for Corey?
[03:06] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Coreymon77
[03:06] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-August/001889.html
[03:06] <nixternal> hrmm, doesn't seem that coreymon is around
[03:07] <nixternal> must be in school
[03:07] <Riddell> our first e-mail membership application
[03:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no, he's at school
[03:07] <Jucato> nixternal: his application for membership is special :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it was either him around, or me around, i'm afraid.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> just due to timezoning issues
[03:07] <Jucato> discussion by e-mail, voting by IRC :)
[03:07] <nixternal> it is a first, and hopefully a last :)  I would rather question the applicants on the spot and make them sweat a little :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh :)
[03:07] <Jucato> didn't you already do that? heheh
[03:07] <Hobbsee> we can just bring up a whole lot of questions, and decline him, and email the questions to him :P
[03:08] <nixternal> ya, but he had time to research the questions...nothing like putting someone on the spot...you guys do it to me all the time :)
[03:08] <nixternal> Hobbsee: hahahah, that would be so mean
[03:08] <Riddell> "I feel by helping translate Ubuntu to both Canadian English" hmm, I'm not convinced at the usefulness of that translation
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hmm.  i wish i'd read this earlier
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Ju'
[03:08] <Riddell> however Hebrew is interesting
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's justified - else we'd call on him tovote
[03:09] <Hobbsee> maybe he doesnt awnt to vote...
[03:09] <kwwii> on the translations alone I am not convinced...anyone know how much support he really does?
[03:09] <nixternal> Riddell: hahah, me either...I remember someone in a CC meeting that had that listed as a strong point, and one of the CC members (probably mako) had a little fun with it
[03:09] <kwwii> anyone can add an "eh" to the end of a sentence :p
[03:09] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i trust tonyyarusso's judgement, and such.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what have you seen?
[03:10] <ScottK> nixternal: Did he ever help you out with the guy you were looking for Hebrew help with?
[03:10] <Jucato> He's very active in #kubuntu, that's for sure. Although I don't know how much during the time I was gone
[03:11] <nixternal> ScottK: actually he did come to think of it...so did Riddell though :)
[03:11] <Riddell> "Support from other members:" was there something below that?
[03:11] <kwwii> I think that his support work in #kubuntu is more important than the 23 translations he has proveded so far
[03:11] <nixternal> hahaha kwwii, dis is kubuntu ey
[03:11] <Jucato> +1 kwwii
[03:12] <nixternal> I am with kwwii as well
[03:12] <nixternal> I wish the IRC stats thing was up and running...that would tell us how much he talks in #kubuntu
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs$ grep coreymon freenode_#kubuntu.log  | wc -l
[03:12] <Hobbsee> 207
[03:12] <nixternal> but I will take tonyyarusso's and Jucato's word on his help though...2 strong advocates
[03:12] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:12] <nixternal> oh, that isn't good Hobbsee
[03:13] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs$ grep jucato freenode_#kubuntu.log  | wc -l
[03:13] <Hobbsee> 37
[03:13] <fdoving> nixternal: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/irc/kubuntu.html - for what it's worth.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs$ grep hobbsee freenode_#kubuntu.log  | wc -l
[03:13] <Jucato> lol! that's worse!
[03:13] <Hobbsee> 187
[03:13] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs$ grep nixternal freenode_#kubuntu.log  | wc -l
[03:13] <Hobbsee> 124
[03:13] <Hobbsee> that's...surprising.
[03:13] <Jucato> omg?!
[03:13] <fdoving> rode@vs1:~/irclogs/freenode$ grep -c coreymon77 \#kubuntu.log
[03:13] <fdoving> 9568
[03:13] <Hobbsee> that's only since i rm'd .kde by accident, so lost all my logs
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ie, june 18
[03:13] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ahh
[03:14] <Jucato> hah I rm'ed my /home :)
[03:14] <nixternal> nixternal@3LockBox:~/irclogs/Freenode$ grep coreymon77 \#kubuntu.log |wc -l
[03:14] <nixternal> 2240
[03:14] <nixternal> that is 2 years worth of log right there
[03:14] <jsgotangco> chatty guy i see :)
[03:14] <Riddell> seems like an active person
[03:14] <ScottK> Could be people just talk about him a lot ;-)
[03:14] <nixternal> nixternal@3LockBox:~/irclogs/Freenode$ grep nixternal \#kubuntu.log |wc -l
[03:14] <nixternal> 2163
[03:14] <nixternal> he has me beat :)
[03:15] <Jucato> :P
[03:15] <nixternal> which is a hard one to believe..I was a chatty ol' fool 2 years ago
[03:15] <nixternal> nixternal@3LockBox:~/irclogs/Freenode$ grep Jucato \#kubuntu.log |wc -l
[03:15] <nixternal> 38543
[03:15] <Jucato> omg!
[03:15] <nixternal> Jucato: I hope you enjoyed your break....you needed a life :p
[03:15] <Hobbsee> but +1 in the meantime.
[03:15] <Jucato> hahahah
[03:15] <nixternal> +1 from me as well
[03:15] <Hobbsee> based on what people like tonyyarusso have said
[03:15] <kwwii> +1 from me going on other peoples opinions
[03:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where did he say that?
[03:16] <nixternal> Riddell: I think there is a way to get the MootBot to take our votes into consideration
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: initial mail.  it's at the bottom, gpg signed.
[03:16] <Riddell> [VOTE] 
[03:16] <MootBot> Please vote on: .
[03:16] <Hobbsee> +1
[03:16] <MootBot> +1 received from Hobbsee. 1 for, 0 against. Count is now 1
[03:16] <nixternal> +1
[03:16] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 2 for, 0 against. Count is now 2
[03:16] <kwwii> +1
[03:16] <MootBot> +1 received from kwwii. 3 for, 0 against. Count is now 3
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ah, there we go
[03:16] <Hobbsee> -25
[03:16] <Jucato> hahah
[03:16] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:16] <Hobbsee> awww....
[03:17] <Riddell> +42
[03:17] <nixternal> it only takes 1's
[03:17] <Riddell> clever that
[03:17] <nixternal> -1
[03:17] <kwwii> +111111111
[03:17] <Riddell> +1 then
[03:17] <MootBot> +1 received from Riddell. 4 for, 0 against. Count is now 4
[03:17] <Jucato> I wonder if it takes non-council votes too? :)
[03:17] <jsgotangco> +1
[03:17] <nixternal> hrmm, maybe it only takes your vote one time..that is slick
[03:17] <MootBot> +1 received from jsgotangco. 5 for, 0 against. Count is now 5
[03:17] <jsgotangco> ooopss
[03:17] <nixternal> haha
[03:17] <jsgotangco> it does work
[03:17] <Jucato> hahah
[03:17] <Riddell> #endvote
[03:17] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. Total: 5
[03:17] <nixternal> jsgotangco: well he just got a +1 from a CC member :)
[03:18] <Riddell> well, I think that's decided
[03:18] <nixternal> ScottK: did you send the email tot he list? I only seen Jucato and tonyyarusso
[03:18] <Riddell> any other memberships?
[03:18] <nixternal> looks to be it
[03:18] <ScottK> I thought I did.  Maybe it was via IRC when he was on #kubuntu-devel.  It's been a while.
[03:18] <nixternal> -1
[03:18] <nixternal> ;p
[03:18] <Hobbsee> to whom?
[03:18] <nixternal> you
[03:18] <Jucato> hahah
[03:18] <Hobbsee> oh, excellent!
[03:18] <Riddell> [TOPIC]  Anyone want to take care of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams
[03:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Anyone want to take care of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams
[03:18] <Riddell> jono wants team reports
[03:19] <nixternal> jono wants to be the next rock god as well :)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> sa in, who we are, what we do, or as in, how well they work?
[03:19] <Riddell> I should point out that I added the team description for Kubuntu before whoever added the one for "Desktop Team"
[03:19] <Riddell> I plan to embolden our "rock" in order to one up them again
[03:19] <nixternal> haha
[03:19] <Hobbsee> rename ours to TheBetterDesktopTeam...
[03:19] <nixternal> ooh, good one
[03:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's a monthly report, so it's about what's happened for the last month
[03:20] <Riddell> I think there will be a lot of overlap with Tribe pages
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh drat.  i'm on too many teams, then.
[03:20] <nixternal> does anyone want to step up on volunteer on this one?
[03:20] <nixternal> otherwise Hobbsee will voluntell someone to do it :)
[03:20] <Hobbsee> yes, i voluntell nixternal.
[03:20] <nixternal> no no
[03:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ++ team name
[03:21] <nixternal> hehe
[03:21] <Hobbsee> incidently, for our support stuff, i registered #kubuntu+1, in case we ever end up using it
[03:21] <nixternal> maybe this would be a good job for coreymon77 to take on?
[03:21] <Riddell> thanks
[03:21] <Riddell> nixternal: ooh, interesting :)
[03:21] <Jucato> hahah
[03:21] <Jucato> since he's absent, he can't decline :)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> you just want to get out fo the meeting logs and such
[03:21] <Riddell> nixternal: want to ask if he's be interested?
[03:21] <nixternal> sure
[03:22] <Riddell> [AGREED]  nixternal to talk to coreymon77 about doing monthly Team report
[03:22] <MootBot> AGREED received:  nixternal to talk to coreymon77 about doing monthly Team report
[03:22] <nixternal> of course we would help out by inserting bullets into our monthly report
[03:22] <Riddell> of course
[03:22] <nixternal> man, that bot just sets it right in stone doesn't it :)
[03:22] <Riddell> [TOPIC]  Things to do before Beta
[03:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Things to do before Beta
[03:23] <nixternal> BUGS!
[03:23] <Riddell> what needs fixed before beta?
[03:23] <Jucato> strigi? :)
[03:23] <Riddell> that adept description bug is on my TODO for today
[03:23] <nixternal> the env, share, and home directories in ~/
[03:23] <Hobbsee> yes, bugs.
[03:23] <Hobbsee> env/share are fixed, thanks to ryancka, it seems
[03:23] <ScottK> The python-kde3 out of memory bug.
[03:23] <Riddell> nixternal: that should be fixed
[03:23] <nixternal> are there any current show stoppers?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> i'm sure i missed a letter, there
[03:24] <Hobbsee> there are some i'd like others input on
[03:24] <Riddell> ScottK: mm, yes, I spent some time on that but ran out of ideas, mvo is looking at it
[03:24] <Hobbsee> but basically, upstream doesnt seem to be fixing kde3 bugs much
[03:24] <Riddell> but it's may well be a mystery to him too
[03:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Great.  At least it's being worked on.
[03:24] <fdoving> strigi index size is a issue.. to me anyway.
[03:24] <Jucato> Hobbsee: env and share replaced by home/ ?
[03:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: there will be a 3.5.8 at some point, but I've no idea when
[03:24] <Riddell> we should make take branch patches
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i think there are some in debian, too.  but yes
[03:24] <Riddell> I should say that I'm disappearing on saturday for two weeks
[03:24] <nixternal> Riddell: last rumor I heard was about the time we release Gutsy
[03:25] <ScottK> As a fall back, we should be thinking about capturing the error and falling back to command line update-manager so at least upgrades won't fail.
[03:25] <nixternal> Riddell: what?!?!
[03:25] <nixternal> 2 weeks?
[03:25] <Riddell> a guy has to have a holiday sometime :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you cant be actually taking holidays, can you?
[03:25] <nixternal> Hobbsee: did you give Riddell permission for that 2 week break?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no.
[03:25] <nixternal> Riddell: you can't go! Hobbsee didn't approve it
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: have you handed back to pitti by that point?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> RM?
[03:25] <Riddell> I hope so, since dapper .2 is likely out during that time
[03:26] <nixternal> lovely
[03:26] <Riddell> actually one of those weeks I'll be at a spanish speaking conference so I'll be around with spare time
[03:26] <nixternal> Lure: tis ok, we won't dock your pay this time :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Lure: got a better time, btw?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, i thought you were landed with that too.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> oh well, as long as it doesnt fall to me, without me knowing about it :P
[03:27] <kwwii> hey guys! we could have a coup and take over while he is gone
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ooo...
[03:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it got moved, so I can't be
[03:27] <Hobbsee> or just hijack Riddell's keyboard, and so vote however.
[03:27] <nixternal> Hobbsee: that means you better be around for main uploads then :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah right
[03:27] <nixternal> oh no you aren't!
[03:28] <nixternal> Hobbsee: kubuntu is our life :)
[03:28] <Jucato> so true..
[03:28] <nixternal> Hobbsee: think about, Riddell gone for 2 weeks, you attempting to find out what having a life is, that leaves the rebels to run Kubuntu...doesn't that frighten you?
[03:28] <Riddell> so, three weeks to fix all the bugs
[03:28] <nixternal> wow
[03:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you cant upload to main.    you're limited
[03:29] <Riddell> I think it can happen
[03:29] <nixternal> Hobbsee: true
[03:29] <nixternal> but I know people who can :p
[03:29] <Riddell> [TOPIC]  Handling KDE 4 Beta 2 release
[03:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Handling KDE 4 Beta 2 release
[03:29] <ScottK> All he needs is one Ubuntu core-dev who thinks, "Bah, it's just Kubuntu, I'll upload it."
[03:29] <Riddell> that's mostly obsolete, I was worried it would be delated until I was away
[03:29] <Hobbsee> ScottK: sure ,but i can shoot him.
[03:29] <Riddell> delayed
[03:30] <Riddell> but it's being released today, so that shouldn't be a problem
[03:30] <nixternal> groovy
[03:30] <Hobbsee> you're back on the 24th, or so?
[03:30] <Riddell> 22nd I fly back
[03:30] <Hobbsee> yup
[03:30] <Hobbsee> cool
[03:31] <Hobbsee> heh, it says we only have a 30 min meeting, it seems.
[03:31] <fdoving> do we include any powertop-knotify patches?
[03:31] <Riddell> same ones as KDE includes
[03:31] <fdoving> specifically: http://www.linuxpowertop.org/patches/qtmcop-notifications-on-demand.patch ?
[03:31] <fdoving> http://vir.homelinux.org/blog/index.php?url=archives/41-PowerTOP-and-aRts.html
[03:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://vir.homelinux.org/blog/index.php?url=archives/41-PowerTOP-and-aRts.html
[03:31] <fdoving> those didn't make 3.5.7, did they?
[03:31] <Riddell> fdoving: that should be upstream in arts longsince
[03:32] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[03:32] <Tonio_> hi Riddell, everyone
[03:32] <Riddell> I think we're about done
[03:32] <Riddell> Tonio_ can upload stuff while I'm away
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: had a question in -devel
[03:32] <Riddell> any other issues?
[03:33] <Jucato> forgot to ask about strigi earlier.. is it really ready for gutsy considering most seem to have problems with it?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> yes.  i make a motion that kubuntu should take over the world.
[03:33] <nixternal> string freeze in less than a week, so hopefully I should have the 2nd to last docs package ready to go
[03:33] <Riddell> Jucato: I'd like to take a decision on that after beta
[03:33] <fdoving> Riddell: in the comments he says it's commited to the 1.5 arts branch, but there have been no release since 3.5.7, did we pull upstream packages for this?
[03:33] <Jucato> ok. 3 weeks to try to fix it. :)
[03:34] <Riddell> fdoving: it's included in our arts package in debian/patches
[03:34] <fdoving> Riddell: ok, nice :)
[03:34] <Riddell> that seems to be it
[03:35] <Riddell> thanks all, happy hacking, don't break anything while I'm away
[03:35] <Riddell> Tonio_ can upload everything
[03:35] <Hobbsee> oh, can anyone propose a better meeting time?
[03:35] <nixternal> haha
[03:35] <Jucato> take care and have fun Riddell! :)
[03:35] <kwwii> Riddell: have a nice holiday
[03:35] <Hobbsee> this seems to work for most people, but not Lure and Tonio_
[03:35] <Hobbsee> oh, and apologies to all for the late meeting notice
[03:36] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I can create a wiki page where people can mark their best times for availability, and then we can pull time from that?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm reasonably aware of people's availabilities - and it's really just blocked on me.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> which is why i set the meeting times.
[03:36] <nixternal> ok
[03:36] <Hobbsee> because the good times for you guys are when i'm asleep
[03:37] <nixternal> well I am open to pretty much anytime as long as I am not in class..and even then, most of the times I have access to the net so I can still participate :)
[03:37] <Jucato> I'll adjust/wake up when needed :)
[03:37] <nixternal> ya, since you never sleep
[03:38] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:38] <nixternal> meeting adjourned?
[03:39] <Jucato> hehe seems like it :)
[03:39] <nixternal> shouldn't you tell MootBot that it is over?
[03:39] <nixternal> #endmeeting
[03:39] <kwwii> only Riddell can do that
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: has to call it
[03:39] <Jucato> heheh
[03:39] <kwwii> since he started it
[03:39] <nixternal> ya
[03:40] <Riddell> #endmeeting
[03:40] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:31.
[03:44] <Tonio_> sorry for missing that one, wasn't possible for me to be there....
[05:56] <toutouff> @now paris
[05:57] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Paris: September 06 2007, 17:57:02 - Next meeting: MOTU Team in 1 day
[11:32] <popey> eek
[11:33] <PriceChild> popey, don't be scared :)
[11:33] <popey> :)