[01:21] <alpaca> man i dont want to ruin things oh well i will wait
[01:33] <foxbuntu> alpaca, no you don't have to
[01:33] <foxbuntu> and if u you it make a backup you can restore from
[01:45] <alpaca> bummer
[01:45] <alpaca> i looked at the file and just overwrote it
[01:45] <alpaca> damn
[01:45] <alpaca> nothing else was overwritten
[02:08] <foxbuntu> alpaca, you can restore it no big deal
[02:08] <alpaca> i
[02:08] <alpaca> i'm signing up for schedules direct right now
[02:08] <alpaca> in the process of doing the mythbuntu gui setup
[02:08] <alpaca> the 5 steps in the admin screen
[02:09] <foxbuntu> ah
[02:10] <foxbuntu> you should see a file /etc/lirc/hardware.conf-old or something similar...just cp it right over the top of the working one
[02:14] <foxbuntu> so something like $sudo cp /etc/lirc/hardware.conf-old /etc/lirc/hardware.conf
[02:21] <alpaca> hmm
[02:21] <alpaca> how do i use all of the new fun features
[02:21] <alpaca> like easy installation of plugins
[02:21] <alpaca> mythstream
[02:21] <alpaca> etc
[02:21] <alpaca> and the lirc auto-setup
[02:49] <tgm4883> alpaca, what do you mean?
[02:58] <alpaca> the front page of mythbuntu.org
[02:58] <alpaca> mentions mythstream
[02:58] <alpaca> plugins
[02:58] <alpaca> etc
[02:58] <alpaca> i'd heard a few weeks ago about the lirc setup wizard that was being worked on
[03:04] <tgm4883> yep
[03:04] <tgm4883> so you have mythbuntu installed?
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> Daviey, what mirror?
[03:13] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: ubuntu-uk loco
[03:18] <alpaca> tgm4883: i've had mythbuntu installed for quite a bit now - just upgrading since schedulesdirect is in place now
[03:18] <alpaca> and now since upgrading trying to get my remote to work properly again - and my digital cable is not working
[03:21] <foxbuntu> alpaca, you don't have to use the CD to upgarde for our releases
[03:22] <foxbuntu> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:22] <foxbuntu> that will fully upgrade a running machine
[03:22] <alpaca> yeah i did that
[03:22] <foxbuntu> ok
[03:23] <alpaca> have been doing that ;)
[03:23] <foxbuntu> it sounded like you were using the CD
[03:23] <alpaca> ahh
[03:23] <alpaca> how do i access this "Control Center"?
[03:23] <foxbuntu> sudo mythbuntu-control-centre
[03:24] <alpaca> hmm
[03:24] <alpaca> sudo: mythbuntu-control-centre: command not found
[03:24] <foxbuntu> then its not installed
[03:24] <alpaca> awesome hah
[03:25] <alpaca> yeah hmm
[03:25] <foxbuntu> sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre
[03:25] <alpaca> thanks
[03:26] <alpaca> any other packages i might need to apt-get since i am upgrading to alpha 4?
[03:26] <foxbuntu> not that I know off hand
[03:27] <alpaca> alright great
[03:48] <alpaca> what do most people do for lirc?
[03:49] <alpaca> my remote was working, however it seems to no longer function and I didn't know if I could make a better lirc file for my remote
[03:49] <alpaca> since I wasnt able to rewind videos
[03:52] <tgm4883_laptop> alpaca, I don't see why your remote would cease to function, unless.....
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> You may have to go though the lirc setup again if the kernel has changed
[03:53] <alpaca> yes - > i overwrote a file
[03:53] <alpaca> i figured I might as well setup lirc myself this time
[03:53] <alpaca> get all my buttons proper
[04:05] <mikec> Can I use an existing raid volume on Mythbuntu 7.10 Alpha 4 ?
[04:06] <mikec> would I just ignore the volumes, let the backend setup as it will then reconfigure where it stores it's data ?
[04:09] <Tari__> should work
[04:09] <Tari__> I did something similar with a spare drive
[04:09] <mikec> Thanks, gonna go try it.
[04:26] <monkeyBox> Hi all! I just switched from gentoo+mythtv to mythbuntu :-)
[04:33] <superm1> hi monkeyBox
[04:33] <superm1> things working out thus far :)?
[04:34] <monkeyBox> superm1, so far.   working on getting my PCHDTV working
[04:34] <monkeyBox> I just figured out how to get synaptic running so I could install gcc (the pchdtv drivers require gcc)
[04:34] <superm1> the drivers for which variation of pchdtv?
[04:35] <superm1> not supported by cx88_dvb?
[04:35] <monkeyBox> superm1,  5500
[04:35] <monkeyBox> I guess that's true, I forgot the newer kernels supported it natively :-p
[04:35] <superm1> yea i had thought that used the cx88 driver
[04:36] <superm1> should have automatically loaded upon its own too via hotplug
[04:36] <monkeyBox> heh, yeah.. looks like the modules are loaded already :-P
[04:37] <monkeyBox> this is too easy
[04:37] <monkeyBox> I'm used to the pain of doing everything yourself in gentoo
[04:37] <superm1> haha that's where i came from too
[04:43] <monkeyBox> what's the best vnc viewer to use?
[04:44] <superm1> any vnc viewer will do
[04:45] <superm1> xvnc4viewer is what i've been using
[04:51] <monkeyBox> What's the difference between mythtv-setup and mythtvsetup.real ?
[04:52] <monkeyBox> I guess I need to be using the .real ones
[04:52] <superm1> No
[04:52] <superm1> use mythtv-setup
[04:52] <superm1> it is a wrapper script
[04:52] <superm1> that will stop mythbackend first
[04:52] <superm1> and then do mythfilldatabase and restart mythbackend
[05:04] <mikec> Just wanted to say mythbuntu rocks - setup a master backend, and 3 frontends in < 1 hour - and *everything* works.
[05:04] <mikec> fist time I've had an install go so smoothlhy
[05:04] <mikec> err smoothly
[05:08] <andruk> !lirc
[05:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lirc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <tgm4883_laptop> andruk, i know about lirc how can I help :)
[05:14] <andruk> tgm4883_laptop: i just have a few general n00b questions, feel free to point me to a good faq: do i have to build lirc into my ubuntu feisty kernel, and does that mean that i need to rebuild them every time a kernel upgrade comes out?
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> !guide
[05:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about guide - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> andruk ^^^
[05:16] <andruk> tgm4883_laptop: is there a way to build lirc modules into the kernel itself?
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> well i think you would have to recompile the kernel
[05:16] <andruk> as in, ubuntu releases their updates with lirc already built-in?
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> which is no fun
[05:16] <andruk> exactly...
[05:18] <andruk> i think i remember having to rebuild ivtv drivers into the kernel, but then ubuntu released feisty with ivtv built-in...and i was wondering if there was a good reason they haven't done so with lirc (other than it increases the number of times one has to reboot after an update, becoming more like windows).
[05:19] <monkeyBox> hmm... any ideas why I wouldn't be having any text show up on my mythfrontend menus?
[05:20] <tgm4883_laptop> andruk, I do not know
[05:21] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe because If they did, then lirc wouldn't get updated frequently
[05:22] <tgm4883_laptop> although that is just speculationo
[05:22] <monkeyBox> I had to change my driver to i810 so I could get widescreen, it seems that when I use that, I loose my text menus
[05:27] <monkeyBox> Could it be the fact that I'm running my display @ 1080p?
[05:27] <tgm4883_laptop> I do now know
[05:35] <monkeyBox> ah,  looks like I have to use a "wide" theme
[05:35] <monkeyBox> :)
[05:35] <monkeyBox> hard to select the wide theme though when I couldn't see the menus :-p
[05:36] <monkeyBox> was able to do it blindly though
[06:31] <monkeyBox>  well, looks like it all works,  it was easier to get set up than last time, that's for sure.  The challenge for me is QAM channel scanning, and manually labelling all the channels :-P
[07:29] <superm1> monkeyBox, as long as they are labeled identical to your info from SD, things work right
[07:59] <foxbuntu> superm1, I blame you
[07:59] <superm1> huh?
[08:00] <foxbuntu> pm
[09:02] <mactenchi> hello everyone
[09:02] <mactenchi> just curious, what happens after the proposed phase?
[09:54] <superm1> mactenchi, the packages get released to feisty-updates
[09:54] <superm1> and edgy-updates
[09:54] <superm1> there are a few steps between proposed and updates that get handled regarding testing
[09:55] <mactenchi> i was afraid there would be a second round of proposed
[09:55] <superm1> well there was a second proposed update
[09:55] <superm1> to cover a few things that got caught after the first proposed
[09:55] <mactenchi> so it should be hitting updates in the next few days?
[09:55] <superm1> which cover the exact reason for proposed to exist in the first place, so not everyone will be hit by it
[09:55] <superm1> should have hit yesterday or so
[09:55] <superm1> or today
[09:57] <mactenchi> hmm
[09:57] <mactenchi> i'll keep an eye out then
[09:58] <superm1> well depending on when you installed the proposed update, it may have been your first one
[09:58] <superm1> very possible
[10:00] <mactenchi> oh, i haven't been using proposed
[10:00] <mactenchi> i'm waiting for the final release
[10:02] <superm1> well the current update in proposed will be copied over as a final release provided no more issues come up
[10:45] <Daviey> superm1: go to bed
[12:30] <laga> ppa builds seem to work for me now
[12:30] <laga> yay
[12:30] <laga> https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[12:47] <DaveMorris> mythvideo for me uses mplayer to output, however when I check the ac3 passthrough in mythtv it dosen't get reflected in the mplayer settings to launch.  I manually had to add the flag, is this experienced by others?  If so I'll look at patching it, as I assume it stored in the db so should just be 1 sql line
[12:48] <laga> DaveMorris: is this a problem encountered by you?
[12:50] <directhex|work> DaveMorris, that's normal. mplayer uses its own settings
[12:52] <Daviey> DaveMorris: Did you have an success getting work to be a mirror? :D
[12:59] <DaveMorris> Daviey: they've taken the XServe away to put vmware ontop of Mac OSX since we had to wait for a few weeks for EFI support to be add to the kernel :(
[12:59] <DaveMorris> laga: yes
[01:00] <Daviey> DaveMorris: Arg!
[01:00] <Daviey> We are trying to get canonical hosting aswell now
[01:00] <DaveMorris> directhex|work: Yes mplayer uses it's own settings, however myth provides the player command, so it can be added to the command string by myth if it seems appropriate.
[01:00] <DaveMorris> we've had 2 people join the mythbuntu facebook group along with me an superm1
[01:01] <laga> DaveMorris: i wouldn't automatigally patch the mplayer command line. people might have disabled ac3 passthrough for  mplayer for a reason
[01:01] <Daviey> facebook..  what is this?
[01:01] <directhex|work> DaveMorris, it could do, but it could also be seen as presumptive. there may be a reason you're using mplayer and not Internal. and why stop at mplayer - what about people using Xine or VLC for playback?
[01:02] <DaveMorris> I wrongly assumed that it was working for me when I set it up, I'll highlight the fact in the manual instead then
[01:02] <NineTeen67Comet> Is there any way to get a copy of Mythbuntu 7.04 edition? Both Ubuntu Gutsy and Mythbuntu 7.10 don't seem to enjoy s-video.
[01:03] <directhex|work> DaveMorris, why not switch to Internal by default? that way it's a single setting that works for everything - be it myth itself or playing a dvd or watching an ogm
[01:03] <DaveMorris> I'm not sure why I switched to mplayer from the internal one.
[01:05] <directhex|work> i had some crash bugs on ogm files with internal, but those are patched
[01:05] <directhex|work> and in general, ogm support is poor for internal. but who actually uses ogm?
[03:30] <Daviey> Was 'popey' just in here?
[03:32] <DaveMorris>  yeah
[03:32] <DaveMorris> (14:21:51) Daviey left the room.
[03:32] <DaveMorris> (14:22:48) popey [n=alan@ubuntu/member/popey]  entered the room.
[03:32] <DaveMorris> (14:23:01) popey left the room.
[03:32] <DaveMorris> (14:30:07) Daviey [n=dave@ubuntu/member/daviey]  entered the room.
[03:32] <Daviey> :)
[03:32] <DaveMorris> You hacked his box then ;)
[03:33] <Daviey> no.. he was trying to find me
[03:33] <Daviey> so i hid ;)
[03:34] <DaveMorris> I just pm people if I wanna do that
[03:36] <Daviey> DaveMorris: you are 'normal'
[03:37] <DaveMorris> ahh
[03:38] <DaveMorris> now to autotools the build
[04:08] <superm1> woot. bulletproofx just entered gutsy today
[04:18] <tgm4883> woo
[04:18] <tgm4883> I didn't think bulletproofx was making it into gutsy
[04:20] <superm1> that means that mythbuntu might need to depend on displayconfig-gtk
[04:20] <superm1> i'm not sure
[04:21] <foxbuntu_> superm1, the source to lirc is pretty clean...
[04:21] <superm1> huh?
[04:21] <foxbuntu_> receive.c - "Functions to decode IR codes"
[04:21] <tgm4883> I must be thinking about feisty
[04:21] <DaveMorris> superm1: are we gonna experment with the xfce-desktop on the CD and see if it'll fit?
[04:22] <superm1> DaveMorris, i'm all for it
[04:22] <superm1> DaveMorris, do you know much about what packages will be needed to do it and such?
[04:22] <DaveMorris> there is a meta package for xubuntu-desktop not sure what it pulls in tbh
[04:23] <superm1> wayyy too much :)
[04:23] <superm1> i'm thinking like, panel, application menu, and notification area
[04:23] <superm1> and then that allows network-manager to be added
[04:23] <superm1> to fix wireless woes
[04:24] <directhex|work> "xfce4"?
[04:24] <superm1> directhex|work, yes
[04:24] <directhex|work> seems to pull in the right amount of stuff
[04:24] <directhex|work> maybe more themes than you'd like, but meh
[04:24] <directhex|work> and xfprint4, which means CUPS... :/
[04:24] <superm1> and thunar
[04:24] <superm1> dont need that
[04:24] <directhex|work> thunar might be useful
[04:24] <superm1> or xfmedia
[04:25] <superm1> or xfce4-terminal
[04:25] <DaveMorris> xfce4 package seems good, and it appears to only pull in the core packages, the rest are recommends
[04:25] <superm1> well but xfce4 is a meta
[04:25] <superm1> so recommends are installed by default
[04:25] <directhex|work> oh, i never noticed the recommends:
[04:26] <DaveMorris> tbh the terminal wouldn't be a bad thing
[04:27] <DaveMorris> also a file manager (thunar) wouldn't hurt
[04:28] <DaveMorris> xfce4 wants to pull down 10.5MB of packages and after unpacking use 58.1MB which isn't a great deal
[04:28] <superm1> DaveMorris, can you do some experiments with a build with it?
[04:28] <superm1> just adding it to the build script
[04:29] <DaveMorris> sure
[04:29] <superm1> and then modifying the sed session to start into it
[04:30] <superm1> at this point i'll say yea go for using the meta, but once this is added to our seed, we cant depend on that meta, we'll have to pick the items we want
[04:31] <DaveMorris> superm1: in Step H?
[04:31] <superm1> right after mythbuntu-desktop is installed
[04:31] <superm1> dont know the step offhand
[04:31] <DaveMorris> H ;)
[04:32] <superm1> and then you'll just need to modify /usr/share/mythbuntu/admin_session.sh to start things up
[04:32] <superm1> via some sed s/openbox/xfwm4/ or what not
[04:40] <DaveMorris> is openbox the exact thing which needs changing or do I need to look it up
[04:40] <superm1> well there is a line that says 'exec openbox'
[04:40] <superm1> so make it the equivalent for what you start to start a xfce desktop
[04:58] <superm1> well the big thing will be configuring it correctly if anything
[04:58] <superm1> it should run properly as long as you sed'ed right
[04:59] <DaveMorris> yeah, thats the bit I prob screwed up :)
[04:59] <DaveMorris> we'll find out soon, as it's doing the file system part now
[05:15] <DaveMorris> well for some reason the admin_seesion.sh is missing bits (prob my fault), but it defaulted back to xfce and it appears to be fine, and only 12MB bigger on the CD
[05:16] <superm1> can you do a screenshot of what the env looks like?
[05:16] <superm1> with that basic install
[05:16] <DaveMorris> Oh, I'm just looking at the livecd, I can't install it here at work
[05:16] <superm1> well i mean that live cd run
[05:17] <DaveMorris> sure
[05:31] <laga> superm1: trunk builds are working now
[05:31] <superm1> laga, great :)
[05:31] <superm1> has Daviey mirrored them on uk weekly builds yet?
[05:31] <superm1> or are they part of the mirroring script yet
[05:31] <superm1> is the better question
[05:33] <laga> uh
[05:33] <laga> i haven't set up the weekly script yet
[05:33] <laga> will do so later
[05:34] <superm1> i'll take that as a 'no' :)
[05:34] <superm1> well the weekly script and mirroring script are different
[05:34] <superm1> the weekly script queues them
[05:34] <superm1> the mirroring script downloads them from the PPA to a mirror
[05:34] <laga> right
[05:34] <superm1> and then signs them
[05:34] <laga> oh, cool stuff
[05:34] <superm1> http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu
[05:34] <superm1> that the right url?
[05:35] <laga> yeah
[05:35] <laga> let's see if the amd64 builds are done
[05:35] <laga> yep
[05:36] <laga> now i need to build mythplugins
[05:36] <laga> and build for gutsy as well, but i'll let the build script take care of that
[05:39] <superm1> hopefully the  build script doesnt need much change to adapt to your builds
[05:40] <laga> i looked through it and it looks good
[05:40] <laga> will try later
[05:40] <laga> got a nasty headache right now
[05:40] <DaveMorris> superm1: http://foss.it.brighton.ac.uk/epoch/mythbuntu/
[05:41] <superm1> can you queue a gutsy one too? The mirroring script expects to find somethign for gutsy
[05:41] <superm1> ook
[05:41] <DaveMorris> if you want anything else screenshotted let us know
[05:42] <laga> superm1: i was hoping the build script would queue gutsy, too
[05:42] <superm1> DaveMorris, for the most part that looks pretty good
[05:42] <superm1> we'll have to work out how to customize things though
[05:42] <superm1> like that xfce menu icon
[05:42] <superm1> and how many panels show up by default
[05:43] <DaveMorris> yeah, the feel of it is a lot better imo than with openbox
[05:43] <superm1> well its got less of a geek feel to it :)
[05:44] <superm1> that install icon on the desktop opens up the gtk installer it looks like, not the mythbuntu installer, so that will need to be adjusted too
[05:45] <DaveMorris> http://pastebin.ca/684155
[05:46] <DaveMorris> it's only 13MB bigger than the alpha4 as well
[05:46] <superm1> DaveMorris, that gtk theme is the mythbuntu theme though isn't it?
[05:46] <superm1> not the xfce one
[05:46] <DaveMorris> tbh I don't know
[05:47] <superm1> i'm pretty sure thats the mythbuntu theme
[05:47] <superm1> with the dark tint and clearlooks look now
[05:48] <DaveMorris> looks nice though
[05:48] <superm1> network manager can then be added too, and it only takes like 5 or 6 megs
[05:48] <superm1> so this will be quite the problem solver
[05:48] <DaveMorris> behaves more like ubuntu as well, so won't be as scary
[05:48] <laga> network manager would be cool
[05:49] <superm1> well so the admin session will have to be modified
[05:49] <superm1> as well as the auto start session
[05:49] <laga> need to make sure it doesn't up pop up during mythtv usage ;)
[05:49] <superm1> so should mythfrontend be started via the session script
[05:49] <superm1> or via the autostart functionality in xfce
[05:50] <DaveMorris> which ever is easier to maintain, I'd personnally go with the autostrared functionality, so people can disable it easily if they wish
[05:51] <superm1> well this will be quite a few items to work out then
[05:51] <superm1> how do you set the background in xfce?
[05:51] <superm1> is there a utility?
[05:51] <superm1> or does feh still work?
[05:51] <laga> for *gently love*'s sake!
[05:51] <laga> just did an aptitude install mythtv and it didn't update libmyth
[05:52] <DaveMorris> via the Desktop icon in pic4 or desktop settings via the settings menu in pic3
[05:53] <laga> ah, it's just me being stupid. never mind.
[05:53] <superm1> well but how do you script that :)
[05:56] <tgm4883> arg
[05:57] <tgm4883> I forgot the administrator password to my sisters laptop
[05:57] <DaveMorris> I'm sure the xfce guys can help us with those sort of things
[05:57] <laga> DaveMorris: superm1 is gone
[05:57] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 just stick a livecd in and remove the password from the shaddow file
[05:57] <directhex|work> xfce you modify an xml file somewhere, iirc
[05:57] <tgm4883> in Windows?
[05:57] <directhex|work> something in ~/.config/xfce4/ i expect
[05:57] <tgm4883> I wish she ran ubuntu
[05:58] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 stick ubuntu on it
[05:58] <laga> tgm4883: there are some tools which can reset the admin pass for windows on linux
[05:58] <tgm4883> Yea, sticking Ubuntu is going to fly well with her
[05:58] <tgm4883> She barely can check email
[05:58] <directhex|work> tgm4883, in which case, she could barely check email *safely* in linux!
[05:58] <tgm4883> I would have to set the whole thing up to look like XP MCE
[05:59] <tgm4883> true
[05:59] <directhex|work> funny thing about desktop linux is the only people it's not appropriate for are the middle band - complete n00bs are better off there, it's safer for them
[06:00] <DaveMorris> directhex|work: yeah it;'s in xml files, I've found them now
[06:00] <directhex|work> it's a few years since i've run xfce4
[06:00] <directhex|work> i can't see them changing it that much though
[06:00] <DaveMorris> superm1: the xfce settings are stored in a xml file at ~/.config/xfce4/mce_settings/
[06:01] <superm1> DaveMorris, so perhaps just get some sane defaults together and pop them into mythbuntu-default-settings?
[06:01] <DaveMorris> yeah, if you looked at that pastebin, I installed an xubuntu-default-settings package
[06:01] <DaveMorris> which cna prob be changed to have what we want
[06:02] <superm1> yea that would be it then
[06:03] <DaveMorris> I've just checked the package, we just need to copy that package with the settings we want
[06:03] <superm1> DaveMorris, you want to handle doing that?
[06:03] <DaveMorris> ls
[06:04] <DaveMorris> are the current defaults stored anywhere which I can butcher?
[06:04] <superm1> Yes
[06:04] <superm1> see here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-default-settings
[06:05] <DaveMorris> ok I'll have a stab at it
[06:05] <superm1> awesome
[06:05] <DaveMorris> I'll prob have to give you a shout at some point to make sure I'm building the package correctly
[06:06] <superm1> well once you get it all commited, ping me and i'll double check the merge
[06:06] <superm1> do a bzr co of the branch listed on there so that everyone stays in sync on it
[06:07] <DaveMorris> so we'll install openbox and xfce settings in the same package?
[06:07] <superm1> well for now yes, and then we'll drop the openbox settings
[06:07] <superm1> once xfce are placed in place
[06:07] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[06:07] <superm1> and really thinking about it, this 12 megs isn't a big deal at all
[06:07] <superm1> we'll take out openbox
[06:07] <superm1> and take out idesk
[06:07] <superm1> and feh probably
[06:07] <superm1> and that will free up at least 5
[06:08] <DaveMorris> which leaves a difference of 7MB for alot less hassle
[06:08] <superm1> for sure
[06:09] <superm1> DaveMorris, perhaps you should join the launchpad beta team right now.  by the time you finish these changes you'll get approved, and i can teach you how to push them to the mythbuntu PPA to test before I push them to the archive
[06:10] <laga> superm1: wouldn't that package be distributed as well to the mirrorS?
[06:10] <superm1> laga, well actually the PPA is only used during the build process
[06:11] <superm1> after its installed, a local ubuntu mirror is the only thing in sources.list
[06:11] <superm1> somehow a change in ubiquity made that the behavior
[06:11] <DaveMorris> superm1: got a link as I'm not sure what you mean
[06:11] <superm1> laga, can you point DaveMorris to the place you joined the LP-beta?
[06:11] <superm1> its changed from back when i joined
[06:11] <superm1> so i haven't the faintest where it is
[06:12] <laga> yes
[06:12] <laga> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers
[06:12] <laga> DaveMorris: ^^
[06:12] <laga> DaveMorris: you can also bug someone in #launchpad to add you
[06:12] <superm1> so during the build, if there is a newer version of a package on the PPA than in the archive, the PPA is preferred
[06:12] <laga> DaveMorris: mrevell is a really nice guy
[06:12] <DaveMorris> I recongise that name
[06:13] <superm1> matthew revell
[06:13] <DaveMorris> saw his talk at LugRadioLive
[06:16] <laga> hum
[06:16] <laga> sometimes it's using the orig.tar.gz i made, sometimes it's not
[06:21] <laga> well
[06:21] <laga> having a orig.tar.gz helps a lot :/
[07:10] <laga> superm1: i have modified the build script to use --revision for all svn commands. if $SVN_REVISION is not specified, it will build head
[07:10] <laga> do you want to review my change or do you just want me to commit after i tested it?
[07:10] <superm1> laga, you mean the weekly build script?
[07:10] <laga> yes
[07:10] <superm1> that should be fine
[07:10] <superm1> go ahead and commit it after you test it
[07:11] <laga> k
[07:12] <superm1> you know they couldn't have announced these patches what 2 days ago when i redid the proposed update
[07:12] <superm1> and fought to get it accepted to edgy/feisy
[07:12] <superm1> feisty
[07:13] <laga> heh
[07:13] <laga> no worries
[07:13] <laga> there's always new stuff in fixes
[07:13] <laga> users should be OK.. i hope ;)
[07:13] <superm1> yea well i've pushed out a fairly large amount of updates this week on mythtv in gutsy. one thing after another it seems
[07:14] <laga> heh
[07:14] <laga> the mythbuntu-trunk is already using over 500M.. hope it will be less after some old stuff is purged
[07:14] <superm1> woah
[07:14] <superm1> why so much?
[07:14] <laga> two theme packages and mythtv
[07:15] <laga> two orig.tar.gz for mythtv
[07:15] <laga> i hope it has already counted the plugins as well
[07:16] <superm1> it does purge old versions
[07:16] <superm1> so thats good at least
[07:18] <laga> plugins are done
[07:18] <laga> yay
[07:18] <superm1> sweet
[07:18] <superm1> okay well i've gotta run to next course
[07:18] <superm1> cya later
[07:18] <laga> bye
[09:36] <laga> superm1: i'm in love with the weekly build script
[09:36] <laga> just upload the gutsy packages
[09:36] <laga> uploaded*
[09:38] <superm1_> laga, sweet
[09:38] <superm1_> glad it worked out well for you
[09:38] <laga> http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=302
[09:38] <laga> ^^ seen this?
[09:39] <superm1_> laga, yea i did
[09:40] <laga> unbelievable...
[09:40] <superm1_> and really i'm surprised.  this wasn't mentioned on the beta team mailing list at all prior
[09:40] <laga> heh
[09:44] <superm1_> too bad it wont benefit me at all (r200 on my work laptop and r300 on my personal)
[09:44] <laga> those have free drivers
[09:45] <superm1_> well r200 yes
[09:45] <superm1_> but r300's doesn't work as well as fglrx does for me
[09:45] <laga> it's free, still
[09:47] <laga> just committed the weekly build script. feel free to yell at me if something breaks ;)
[09:48] <superm1_> well i wont have access to the branch again until later tonight
[09:48] <superm1_> i'll see later
[09:49] <superm1_> i'll add the branch to the mirroring script too then
[09:50] <laga> that would be nice
[09:51] <superm1_> axel is taking forever to get back to me on the cron issue
[09:51] <laga> gutsy and feisty builds are not the same revision, but 14394 and 14395 shouldn't be a big difference :)
[09:51] <superm1_> i think i'll just manually do it
[09:51] <superm1_> yea
[09:51] <laga> k
[09:51] <superm1_> how much space is the ppa taking up now?
[09:51] <laga> 600M
[09:51] <laga> ;)
[09:51] <superm1_> whew
[09:51] <superm1_> sizable
[09:51] <laga> #  7 Sources (133.7 MiB)
[09:51] <laga> # 45 Binaries (472.6 MiB)
[09:51] <laga> # Estimated archive size: 606.3 MiB
[09:51] <laga> themes are quite big, too
[09:52] <laga> reminds me, i need to upload new theme packages with matching version numbers
[09:52] <superm1_> they didn't implement the theme puller?
[09:52] <laga> no
[09:52] <superm1_> ah
[09:52] <laga> i doubt it'll come anytime soon.
[09:52] <superm1_> well i'm getting the impression 0.21 isn't going to be ready by oct-nov
[09:52] <superm1_> from the feel in #mythtv
[09:53] <superm1_> especially with merging in all these branches
[09:53] <laga> no.
[09:53] <superm1_> that just makes for lots of room for trouble
[09:53] <laga> true
[09:53] <laga> 0.20.2 is still "good", though.
[09:53] <superm1_> yes
[09:54] <superm1_> well i'm worried still about something in 0.20.2
[09:54] <superm1_> didn't the firewire stack change?
[09:54] <superm1_> in kernel 2.6.22/23?
[09:54] <laga> in newer kernels.
[09:54] <laga> you can still activate the old stakc AFAIK
[09:54] <laga> stack*
[09:54] <superm1_> yea gutsy has that newer stack
[09:54] <laga> j-rod knows about these issues afaik
[09:54] <laga> really.
[09:54] <laga> is it enabled?
[09:54] <superm1_> so i'm hoping firewire isn't broke
[09:54] <superm1_> well i dont know that it is enabled
[09:54] <laga> we need a tester
[09:55] <laga> mythbuntu 7.10 is still gonna be great. ;)
[09:55] <superm1_> someone on the west US coast has firewire i thought
[09:55] <superm1_> tgm4883, did you?
[09:55] <superm1_> or was it someone else?
[09:56] <laga> i'll ask on the ML
[09:56] <superm1_> laga, do you want to look into that translation issue on ubiquity, would you mind if i assigned it to you?
[09:56] <laga> what issue?
[09:56] <laga> ;)
[09:57] <laga> assign it to me
[09:57] <superm1_> okay will do.  great :)
[09:57] <superm1_> i joined ~ubuntu-installer today.  so i can commit the changes directly upstream once we fix it
[09:57] <laga> BTw, i was looking at the PPA build logs. they mentioned something about extracting translatable stuff.. i doubt it's set up with rosetta, though
[09:57] <laga> cool
[09:58] <superm1_> well i registered mythtv and mythplugins with rosetta a few weeks ago
[09:58] <laga> oh, that bug. i'll probably need some help with that, but i'll try alone first
[09:58] <superm1_> the bug might not even be in ubiquity
[09:58] <superm1_> but kde-guidance
[09:58] <superm1_> as i looked at it
[09:59] <laga> if you have additional information, please attach it to the bug report
[09:59] <superm1_> well i didnt save the notes from what i found, i just traced it back up the backtrace in the python source
[09:59] <superm1_> so i'm not really positive
[10:00] <superm1_> i'll just add some notes from what i'm thinking
[10:00] <laga> ok, i'll make a mental note then
[10:00] <laga> ok
[10:01] <laga> well, i have an appointment with zsnes
[10:01] <laga> ttyl
[10:01] <superm1_> okay cya
[10:21] <nouchi> hi
[11:05] <superm1_> Daviey, here?
[11:05] <Daviey> just
[11:05] <superm1_> any word from elmo?
[11:05] <Daviey> nope
[11:06] <Daviey> was going to ask you the same thing
[11:06] <superm1_> haha
[11:06] <Daviey> I'll ping him in the morning
[11:06] <superm1_> mkay.
[12:02] <tgm4883> laga, you around?
[12:38] <laga> tgm4883: yes
[12:38] <laga> sup?
[12:39] <tgm4883> what exactly do you need me to do?
[12:40] <laga> uh
[12:40] <laga> record some stuff, scan for channels if that's possible
[12:40] <laga> nothing fancy
[12:40] <laga> just basic functionality
[12:40] <laga> fc7 has lots of problems with firewire
[12:40] <tgm4883> ok, i'll check it out then
[12:40] <laga> and we're wondering if gutsy is also using the enw stack/being plagued by the same problems
[12:42] <tgm4883> i'll do some testing on it.  Will a slave backend record without the master backend on?
[12:42] <tgm4883> If it doesn't I will have to wait a couple hours
[12:46] <superm1> tgm4883, as long as its gutsy
[12:46] <superm1> that's all that matters
[12:47] <tgm4883> for the slave recording?
[12:48] <superm1> whichever one has firewire hooked up
[12:48] <tgm4883> firhg
[12:48] <superm1> update to the latest gutsy package from today
[12:48] <tgm4883> right
[12:48] <superm1> 0.20.2-0ubuntu5
[12:48] <tgm4883> well i was going to stick a spare HD in there and load and update alpha 5
[12:48] <superm1> you time traveling daemon again?
[12:48] <superm1> alpha5?
[12:48] <tgm4883> and my master doesn't have any scheduled recordings
[12:48] <tgm4883> or 4
[12:49] <superm1> you will need to update alpha4 then
[12:49] <superm1> to current mythtv version
[12:49] <tgm4883> will do, but will my secondary backend record without the master on?  I have never turned the master off before
[12:49] <superm1> no, the master needs to be on
[12:50] <superm1> if your just putting this on a spare hard drive
[12:50] <superm1> to do this test, then just install another master
[12:50] <tgm4883> will do, but I have to wait until 5:00 PST.  If Oprah doesn't get recorded, it's going to be a little hard for me to let you know how it went from beyond the grave
[12:50] <superm1> lol
[12:50] <superm1> okay
[12:51] <laga> bah, amd64 ppas are rather slow
[12:51] <superm1> well just respond to the post on the mailing list then whenever you get it sorted
[12:51] <laga> tgm4883: wuss
[12:51] <tgm4883> I don't own enough weapons to defend myself
[12:51] <superm1> the reason i say to upgrade to today's version, you can't attach a SD lineup to it unless you have today's patch
[12:52] <tgm4883> Ok, I will update it fully
[12:52] <tgm4883> I need to pay for SD first
[12:52] <superm1> free trial
[12:52] <superm1> for 7 days
[12:52] <tgm4883> heh, my 7 day trial is up
[12:53] <tgm4883> arg, install updates, reboot, install updates, reboot, install updates, reboot
[12:53] <tgm4883> I hate windows