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[12:28] <CrazyTB> What's the easiest way to enable 2 CPUs on a brand-new ubuntu-server running on AMD x2?
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[12:30] <ajmitch> it should just work
[12:30] <mathiaz> CrazyTB: it should be enabled by defaut
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[12:36] <CrazyTB> cat /proc/cpuinfo shows only one CPU
[12:36] <ivoks> and how many do you have?
[12:36] <ajmitch> what kernel are you running?
[12:37] <ajmitch> ivoks: he said it's an amd x2, so dual-core
[12:37] <ivoks> hi ajmitch
[12:37] <ajmitch> hi :)
[12:37] <CrazyTB> yes, one AMD x2 CPU (so, two cores)
[12:37] <ivoks> i would bet on bios
[12:37] <CrazyTB> both vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-server and vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic detect only one.
[12:37] <ivoks> grep processor /proc/cpuinfo
[12:38] <ivoks> shows only processor   : 0?
[12:39] <ivoks> check BIOS, maybe X2 is disabled
[12:40] <CrazyTB> I'm at BIOS setup right now...
[12:40] <CrazyTB> Phoenix BIOS... Do you know the name of what I should enable?
[12:40] <ivoks> i don't know what name would be for AMD :/
[12:41] <ivoks> for intel it's something like Core Multiplex, or something like that, IIRC
[12:41] <ivoks> i don't rember names, i read them
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[12:41] <ajmitch> though it's been awhile since I had to change anything there
[12:41] <ivoks> i had to, yesterday
[12:41] <CrazyTB> well, I can't find anything...
[12:42] <ivoks> when i wanted to run C&C on gutsy :)
[12:43] <ivoks> CrazyTB: did you use noapic or additional paramateres for kernel?
[12:43] <ivoks> so many typos... :/
[12:44] <CrazyTB> for some reason I think ubuntu kernel is compiled for at most 1 CPU...
[12:44] <CrazyTB> ivoks, gotta check that, wait a moment
[12:44] <ivoks> CrazyTB: cat /proc/cmdline
[12:45] <ajmitch> CrazyTB: only the -i386 kernel was in previous releases
[12:45] <ivoks> right, all kernels are SMP
[12:45] <ajmitch> since there were some drivers that couldn't handle SMP
[12:45] <ajmitch> I believe that was dropped in feisty
[12:46] <CrazyTB> These are the boot parameters: ro quiet splash
[12:46] <ajmitch> nothing unusual there
[12:46] <CrazyTB> huh...
[12:47] <ajmitch> maybe pastebin the first couple of hundred lines of /var/log/dmesg
[12:47] <CrazyTB> dmesg | fgrep -i cpus
[12:47] <CrazyTB> SMP: Allowing 1 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs
[12:47] <CrazyTB> Brought up 1 CPUs
[12:47] <ajmitch> I see [    0.000000]  SMP: Allowing 2 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs
[12:48] <ivoks> i don't get that at all :)
[12:48] <ajmitch> ivoks: I've got an x2 as well :)
[12:48] <mathiaz> CrazyTB: which version of ubuntu-server are you running ?
[12:48] <ivoks> feisty
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[12:49] <CrazyTB> 7.04
[12:49] <CrazyTB> kernel: 2.6.20-15-generic
[12:49] <CrazyTB> or: vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-server
[12:50] <CrazyTB> do you know where can I get the ubuntu kernel sources?
[12:50] <ivoks> i still bet on bios
[12:50] <CrazyTB> Or at least the .config ?
[12:50] <ivoks> /boot/config-2.6.20-16-server
[12:50] <ivoks> but, trust me, milions of users use it - and it's SMP
[12:52] <CrazyTB> Is CONFIG_NR_CPUS what I think it is?
[12:52] <ajmitch> CrazyTB: can you put the rest of /var/log/dmesg on pastebin somewhere?
[12:52] <ivoks> CrazyTB: max. number of supported CPUs
[12:53] <ivoks> iirc, on -server, it's 16
[12:53] <CrazyTB> hum... I'm starting to suspect of the bios...
[12:53] <ivoks> oh no, not 16, 64 :)
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[12:54] <ajmitch> except for the noise & power bill :)
[12:54] <ivoks> CrazyTB: look very closely...
[12:55] <ajmitch> nealmcb: it's ok, I don't mind you uploading stuff to your PPA ;)
[12:55] <ivoks> ajmitch: umm, something like this:
[12:56] <ivoks> ajmitch: http://cluster.grad.hr/index.php?page=monitor
[12:56] <ajmitch> it'll load one day...
[12:56] <ivoks> yup :)
[12:57] <ivoks> or not :)
[12:57] <ivoks> lol, it crashed; i can't belive... it crashed :/
[12:58] <ivoks> ajmitch: i'll show you tomorrow :)
[12:59] <CrazyTB> looks like the bios does not support x2. A friend is taking a closer look to that.
[01:00] <CrazyTB> in case someone actually wants to see the dmesg... http://sh.nu/p/22696
[01:02] <ivoks> CrazyTB: right, everything fine here
[01:03] <ivoks> bios/mb is my guess
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[01:15] <CrazyTB> ok, thanks people. gtg. Bye
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[02:55] <nealmcb> ajmitch: of course - I just wish the system didn't spam you with embarrassing build errors on my part :-O
[02:59] <nealmcb> but it looks like they're fixing that aspect of ppa as we speak: bug 136418
[02:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136418 in soyuz "[ppa]  Report email is sent to original maintainer and uploader" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136418
[03:04] <ajmitch> nealmcb: nope, just 2 rejected notices that I saw
[03:11] <nealmcb> ajmitch: so now when I try to build my takeoff on authtool 0.2.1  I get "make: dh_pycentral: Command not found" - does it need another build dependency?
[03:11] <ajmitch> yes, most likely
[03:11] <ajmitch> I need to rework debian/{control,rules}
[03:11] <ajmitch> since I know it's not working as intended
[03:12] <ajmitch> I've been meaning to actually sit down & merge changes in - I'd better actually do as I said soon :)
[03:13] <nealmcb> is there a nice small  python package anyone could recommand as a template to modify for my ppa experiments?
[03:13] <ajmitch> pyflakes? :)
[03:13] <ajmitch> that's very simple
[03:14] <nealmcb> I
[03:15] <nealmcb> I'm looking for something that models both the latest methods of packaging, and the cleanest python coding, documentation, unit tests, etc
[03:17] <ajmitch> ah, that's not the best package to look at then
[03:17] <ajmitch> perhaps gdebi
[03:17] <leonel> I need psycopg2  in dapper  :-P
[03:18] <leonel> haven't been able to  backport or make the package from scratch
[03:19] <ajmitch> probably due to the python packaging changes that took place
[03:26] <ajmitch> nealmcb: how's gdebi looking?
[03:28] <nealmcb> ajmitch: if I want the package to build in dapper as well as gutsy, would the latest gdebi (for example) work, or should I use an old gdebi?
[03:28] <ajmitch> nealmcb: you'd be hard pressed to find any package that would build in dapper & gutsy without hassle
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[03:28] <ajmitch> since I'm sure that edgy was the big python shakeup
[03:29] <ajmitch> all dependencies changed from python2.X-foo to python-foo, python-central & python-support were introduced
[03:29] <nealmcb> ahh
[03:29] <ajmitch> I know, it was a hassle to change all these packages :)
[03:30] <nealmcb> maybe I should experiment with a bash package :-)
[03:30] <ajmitch> are you just looking for something to do with a PPA?
[03:30] <nealmcb> yup
[03:31] <ajmitch> why does it need to build on dapper then?
[03:31] <ajmitch> there's not even a dapper PPA, unfortunately
[03:31] <nealmcb> seems to me that ppa is a great opportunity to introduce folks to packaging in general, and an example that lets anyone on any supported release package some personal productivity tools would be a good intro
[03:32] <nealmcb> ajmitch: oh, yeah - right - I just noticed that....
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[03:32] <nealmcb> I wonder why
[03:32] <nealmcb> makes it hard for server folks....
[03:32] <ajmitch> yes, and I hope it'll be changed soon
[03:33] <nealmcb> so let me ask the question on gdebi for feisty and gutsy - should I start with the latest, or use the feisty version?
[03:34] <ajmitch> there shouldn't be too much difference between feisty & gutsy
[03:34] <nealmcb> edgy?
[03:34] <ajmitch> I haven't looked at that one, the packaging should be similar though
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[03:49] <nealmcb> ajmitch: hmm - this conversation would probably be better suited to perhaps #ubuntu-motu, and you're there also...
[03:49] <ajmitch> yes
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[04:58] <kshah> I'm having a bit of problems with vsftpd, and I'd really appreciate a small bit of help if anyone is around
[05:06] <mralphabet> kshah: we are not psychic, we need to know what your problem is before we can troubleshoot it
[05:06] <mralphabet> Seriously good guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[05:07] <kshah> I know, I know, it's just that its late, otherwise I wouldn't have asked to ask
[05:07] <kshah> let me post the error
[05:07] <mralphabet> irc never sleeps, there is just a lull in activity
[05:07] <kshah> :) hehe
[05:07] <kshah> Transfer channel can't be opened. Reason: No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it.
[05:08] <mralphabet> actively refused it . . . did you install a firewall on the machine?
[05:10] <kshah> I don't believe so, it is the default set up for ubuntu server 7
[05:10] <kshah> I followed the server guide w/o incident
[05:10] <kshah> only thing I did differently was setup trac after svn
[05:11] <mralphabet> if you do a netstat -a does it list ftp in the list?
[05:11] <mralphabet> if you telnet to port 21 locally does it answer?
[05:12] <kshah> *:ftp  LISTEN
[05:12] <kshah> wow that was a crazy command
[05:12] <kshah> it lists everything
[05:13] <kshah> mralphabet: yes, telnet to port 21 works
[05:13] <kshah> "220 Welcome to..."
[05:14] <kshah> my little msg
[05:14] <mralphabet> if it works locally and doesn't work across the network . . .
[05:14] <mralphabet> have you looked at syslog or the messages file to see if it tells you what the problem is?
[05:15] <kshah> honestly I'm new to linux, I don't know how to many many things from the command line
[05:15] <kshah> as my amazement from netstat -a might reveal
[05:15] <mralphabet> do 'cd /var/log'
[05:16] <mralphabet> then 'less messages'
[05:16] <kshah> sudo nano vsftpd.log
[05:16] <kshah> i guess?
[05:16] <mralphabet> that works too
[05:16] <kshah> it says OK LOGIN for every attempt I made
[05:17] <kshah> CONNECT: Client "my.ip.at.this.comp"
[05:17] <mralphabet> o0
[05:18] <kshah> could this by any chance be something in my network/interfaces file?
[05:18] <kshah> the fact that I specified broadcast in my old set up
[05:18] <kshah> and not this
[05:18] <mralphabet> possible, unlikely I think
[05:18] <mralphabet> and I am unfortuneately heading out
[05:18] <kshah> thanks, lets hope it worked
[05:19] <kshah> I'll init 6
[05:19] <kshah> see i knew that one
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[08:08] <kshah> what is wrong with sudo mount localhost:/mydir /mydir
[08:08] <kshah> nfs
[08:12] <asisak> kshah: this seems to be valid, but without any error message it would be hard to guess
[08:41] <kshah> permission denied while i'm running as sudo
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[10:02] <kraut> moin
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[10:52] <Drazha> question: why compile ubuntu server for sparc, but not the ubuntu(destop) ?
[10:58] <soren> Drazha: That's really a desktop question, isn't it? :)
[10:58] <soren> Drazha: What specifically are you missing on sparc?
[11:00] <Drazha> nothing, just was curious, why not have ubuntu on sparc? :)
[11:00] <soren> Drazha: What makes you say that we don't have Ubuntu on sparc? That's what I'm asking.
[11:01] <Drazha> i cant recall seeing it on the list, let me recheck
[11:01] <soren> Drazha: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-sparc/Packages.gz
[11:01] <Drazha> heh
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[11:02] <soren> :)
[11:02] <Drazha> well actually
[11:02] <Drazha> there seems only to be a ubuntu server iso for sparc?
[11:03] <soren> Possibly, I don't remember.
[11:03] <soren> Still... That's more of a -desktop question, really :)
[11:03] <Drazha> thats fine
[11:04] <soren> Drazha: The packages are there, though, so you could run an LTSP-like setup on your sparc machine and have a load of thin clients connect to it.
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[01:55] <ScottK> Any thoughts on syncing php-make to get this and other bug fixes: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=424787
[01:55] <ubotu> Debian bug 424787 in dh-make-php "dh-make-php: affected by php4-removal" [Serious,Fixed] 
[01:55] <ScottK> Rather dh-make-php
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[02:22] <renzo17> hi all, i have Fesity set up as a primary domain controller for a small XP Pro based network. if i was to have to reinstall and set it up again can i use it with the accounts on the windows pc that i already have setup to use the pdc without it creating a new local account on the client machines? i ask because we had a massive HD failure a while ago, and i replaced fedora with fesity, set it...
[02:22] <renzo17> ...up with the same settings, but when people went to log back in on their xp machines, it created a new local account for them........is this avoidable?
[02:23] <ScottK> In general, no.
[02:23] <ScottK> While the accounts have the same name, they are not the same accounts.
[02:24] <ScottK> IIRC the way to avoid this is to have a backup domain controller and restore the accounts from there.
[02:24] <renzo17> ScottK: thanks, i was afraid someone might say that
[02:24] <ScottK> It's been a while though.
[02:25] <renzo17> was incredibly tedious copying everyone files, bookmarks, outlooks etc from their old accounts to their new ones
[02:25] <ScottK> Get a backup domain controller.
[02:26] <ScottK> It doesn't have to be expensive or even a dedicated machine.
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[02:26] <renzo17> cool thanks, how do i make it a backup?
[02:26] <ScottK> That would be where my ability to help runs out.  It's been a long time since I had to worry about such things.
[02:26] <ScottK> Sorry.
[02:27] <renzo17> lol, no probs, thanks anyway
[02:27] <renzo17> i've google for some howtos
[02:27] <renzo17> ^googleD
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[02:34] <Stonekeepe1> Hi all. Does anyone know a good url for setting up NTP on feisty server? I've tried a lot and can't get it to work. Thanks.
[02:34] <Stonekeepe1> *NTP-server
[02:35] <Nafallo> Stonekeepe1: what do you need help with?
[02:41] <renzo17> so can anyone explain how to set up samba as a backup domain controller (bdc)?
[02:46] <soren> Stonekeepe1: You need a good ntp server address or a URL for a howto?
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[02:46] <Nafallo> @ europe uk :-)
[02:51] <sommer_> renzo17: did you take a look at this url: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/samba-bdc.html
[02:52] <renzo17> no not yet, i was just rummaging the samba docs too, thanks sommer_
[02:53] <sommer_> np
[02:57] <sommer_> Stonekeepe1: did you see: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/NTP.html
[03:00] <Stonekeepe1> sorry was afk
[03:00] <Stonekeepe1> it seems that when i nmap the server, it says the port is open|filtered
[03:01] <Stonekeepe1> no firewalls are running on it
[03:03] <Stonekeepe1> or between the client and it
[03:04] <Nafallo> Stonekeepe1: it's udp... what did you expect? :-)
[03:04] <Nafallo> Stonekeepe1: the protocol is connectionless...
[03:04] <renzo17> sommer_: sorry for being a n00b, but in that guide what is all the ldap stuff?
[03:05] <Stonekeepe1> ok, so why are other posts on the net saying that it is just "open" ?
[03:05] <Nafallo> Stonekeepe1: cause they isn't as good as nmap.
[03:06] <sommer_> renzo17: LDAP is a protocol basically for serving directory style information:  https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/openldap-server.html
[03:07] <sommer_> Microsoft uses it in Active Directory and Novell's used it since NDS back in the day.
[03:07] <renzo17> sommer_: thanks, so do i need it? my primary controller doesnt use it i dont think?
[03:07] <Stonekeepe1> I'm getting "Server dropped: strata too high" messages?
[03:08] <Stonekeepe1> Nafallo: heh, nmap rocks :D
[03:08] <sommer_> renzo17: not necessarily, I believe the guide just recommends it because it can automatically sync usernames and passwords between machines.
[03:08] <sommer_> if you don't use it you'll have to manually sync them.
[03:09] <sommer_> depending on your environment this may not be too big a deal.  You could setup an rsync job for example.
[03:10] <Nafallo> Stonekeepe1: I know
[03:10] <Nafallo> Stonekeepe1: let it sync first.
[03:10] <renzo17> sommer_: cool thanks, i'll have a try without first.......i'm gonna have to go find an old unused pc now
[03:11] <sommer_> renzo17: probably a good idea LDAP can be a pretty big beast when you're new to it.
[03:14] <Nafallo> Stonekeepe1: feel free to use ntp0.magicalforest.se (iPHouse, E14, London)
[03:15] <ScottK> I've always found pool.ntp.org to be adequate.
[03:15] <Nafallo> ScottK: my server is in there, but you can't use that if you want to be in there ;-)
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[03:16] <ScottK> Right.
[03:16] <Nafallo> http://www.pool.ntp.org/user/NafalloBjalevik
[03:16] <ScottK> Cool.
[03:17] <Nafallo> http://stats.magicalforest.se/magicalforest.se/lumberjack.magicalforest.se-ntp_states.html
[03:17] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:23] <Stonekeepe1> Nafallo: i'm using janet ntp servers
[03:24] <Nafallo> Stonekeepe1: oki. you don't have to ;-)
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[03:26] <Stonekeepe1> yay! it's now working - weird. must jst be a time delay issue
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[03:57] <^robertj> soren: I was reading the thread RE: samba back ports (the one from THE YELLING GUY) , and it seems to me that your proposition of a is the definition of what the S in LTS is all about, and that if there is noone to do that work then an LTS shoudln't be cut at all. Thoughts?
[03:58] <^robertj> (that assumes that his statement about there being serious interoperability problems with Vista is correct, I haven't kept up)
[03:58] <Nafallo> Stonekeepe1: like I said... the server needs to sync its status up from stratum16 before its a valid source.
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[03:59] <soren> ^robertj: Hang on, I need to reread the bug.
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[04:00] <soren> ^robertj: Yes, a) is the option we've usually used.
[04:01] <soren> ^robertj: We, however, suggests that the samba version in Dapper is so completely and utterly broken that this would take ages.
[04:01] <^robertj> soren: yes, its undoubtedly boring as crap, a time-sink, and going to leave at least some people unhappy, but to me thats what LTS is all about
[04:02] <soren> ^robertj: I should of course have pointed out that we prefer a) and we probably need all the help we can get in pinpointing those bugs (i.e. "OMGWTF1337BBQ!!!1!!one! IT'S ALL COMPLETELY BROKEN! BREAK IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE!")
[04:02] <soren> Er... something other than what was in those parentheses.
[04:04] <soren> ^robertj: We're not going to honour a "I think it's all complete crap. Please update to the latest crack, so that I can shut up again." That's not how it works. He needs to report bugs about specific issues, so that we can fix specific issues. "Samba is old in Dapper" is not a specific issue.
[04:04] <^robertj> soren: oh no, not advocating that you do at all. I'm just a tad worried that the time and monkey sink that is process a is going to go underfunded & understaffed in the long run
[04:04] <^robertj> soren: and you really can't rely on volunteer labor when doing an LTS it seems if you are _really_ supporting it
[04:05] <soren> ^robertj: We are indeed supporting it, I believe. If people file bugs that are not crackful, we evaluate the impact and whether it's worth the risk.
[04:05] <soren> ^robertj: Hang on, I'll follow up on the bug.
[04:06] <^robertj> IMO it should be closed in either 1 of 2 ways
[04:06] <^robertj> 1. there should be a new meta-bug referencing specific issues for a roll-up fix in a single update and this should be closed as a duplicate of that bug
[04:07] <^robertj> 2. it should be closed as general complaining NOTABUG or some such and invite him to resubmit specific problems so they can be investigated
[04:12] <soren> ^robertj: I'm doing 2) right now :)
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[06:31] <Nafallo> anyone worked with Dells PERC?
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[06:33] <Nafallo> never mind. I aborted
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[07:08] <lamont`> ScottK: re 137779: postfix/dapper recommends: mail-reader or such, and emacs is probably getting dragged in to satisfy that.
[07:08] <lamont`> tell him to install mutt. :-)  or use apt :-)
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[07:09] <ScottK> I already asked him what happens if he tries apt.
[07:09] <ScottK> Thanks.  We'll see.
[07:12] <nealmcb> bug 137779
[07:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137779 in postfix "Dapper Server: Postfix dependency on emacs?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137779
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