| oli__ | right now theres one big fat32 primary partition. installation cancels no matter how i format it | 01:15 |
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| oli__ | tried the manual as well as "guided, complete hdd" | 01:15 |
| atarinox | i'm trying to follow this instruction for installing this vpn client to get on my uni's wireless network...but it says the client supports Red Hat 6.2 or compatible libraries w/ glibc version 2.1.1-6 or later, using kernel 2.2.12 or later. Will this work w/ feisty? | 01:17 |
| cellofellow | atarinox: what client is it? | 01:22 |
| cellofellow | if it is in an RPM or tar.gz package, for Red Hat, it's not likely to work on a deb-based distro like Ubuntu. | 01:22 |
| cellofellow | It may be in the repos though, or you could build from source. | 01:22 |
| atarinox | cellofellow: think it's just called vpnclient | 01:24 |
| cellofellow | is it something your school made for themselves? | 01:24 |
| atarinox | and it's not an rpm...yeah i think it has some config files already built in maybe? | 01:24 |
| atarinox | the file is vpnclient-linux-4.8.00.0490-k9.tar.gz | 01:25 |
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| cellofellow | atarinox: just try it. Extract it into /opt/ or /usr/local or just your home dir and see if it works. | 01:27 |
| triptec | is there anywon who knows how to make thunar NOT make shortcuts to fakeraided disks on desktop and in thunar????? | 01:27 |
| cellofellow | ummmmm | 01:27 |
| triptec | anyone?? | 01:29 |
| cellofellow | triptec: I don't know. | 01:30 |
| triptec | ...=( | 01:31 |
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| dawiz | can anyone help with ndiswrapper? | 01:58 |
| dawiz | i keep getting invalid driver | 01:58 |
| triptec | sorry | 01:59 |
| triptec | is there anyway to move windows between screen, now it's only the mouse that is able to do that | 02:03 |
| dawiz | anybody? | 02:03 |
| triptec | screens* | 02:03 |
| dawiz | can anyone help with ndiswrapper? | 02:15 |
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| starvinmarvin | Not ten minutes ago I updated xubuntu. I rebooted and am stuck in grub. What have I done now? | 02:36 |
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| Jester45 | starvinmarvin, what does grub say ? | 02:44 |
| starvinmarvin | hold on, I rebooted...I will soon forward grub's message to you. I think he's pissed. | 02:47 |
| Jester45 | grub is pissed? its a she | 02:48 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: "Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists the possible completions of a device/filename. | 02:48 |
| Jester45 | ... thats a discription on the grub commandline | 02:49 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: That's all it tells me. Unless I type commands. What do you mean by what does it say? | 02:49 |
| Jester45 | so what does it do as its boots | 02:49 |
| Jester45 | says loading then that | 02:50 |
| Jester45 | maybe your missing your grub config | 02:50 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: Yeah I think so. commands like geometry(hd_ don't result in the available hard disks. | 02:50 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: Prior to reboot, I was messing around with two hard drives I have attached via a PCI slot. I'm wondering if the system is trying to boot off of them | 02:52 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: grub says "loading, please wait..." then after a second flashes to the message I provided earlier. | 02:52 |
| Jester45 | ok what disc was grub on and the os? | 02:52 |
| Jester45 | i think it cant fine the disk | 02:52 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: on the main HD from IDE1 | 02:52 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: the disks I was messin were on a PCI card...not related to IDE | 02:53 |
| Jester45 | and it has been there and was working from there and is it still there? | 02:53 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: if you're asking about the IDE1 hd, then yes. | 02:53 |
| starvinmarvin | i think i may just pull the pci card and see what happens. | 02:54 |
| Jester45 | try that | 02:54 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: Hold on to your butts. | 02:55 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: no luck. | 02:56 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: Is there some sort of recovery mode from the install disk? | 02:56 |
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| Jester45 | i dont think | 02:57 |
| Jester45 | the live cd would be | 02:57 |
| Jester45 | thats what i noramly use to recover | 02:57 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: I wonder what happened. Could it have been the update? | 02:58 |
| Jester45 | what did you update | 02:58 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: everything. | 02:58 |
| Jester45 | like edgy to feisty? | 02:59 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: I just clicked update. Boom. Restart. pfft. Then I met Mr. Grub. | 02:59 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: Who by the way, isn't very polite. | 02:59 |
| Jester45 | so... was it an upgrade from one version like edgy to feisty or just a few programs | 02:59 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: I'm going to guess edgy. I briefly saw where it was coming from and I read edgy and security updates....don't quite know what that amounts to though. | 03:00 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: Wish I would have paid more attention. Hindsight will get you every time. | 03:01 |
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| Jester45 | well im not sure if the gui tools will just upgrade to a new version i think they ask you. meaning it doesnt look like a normal upgrade because a lot of people want to keep their version | 03:02 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: I take that back, if edgy wasn't updated in the last week, then it wasn't that. Must have been a few progs. Cause I updated about a week ago without incident. | 03:02 |
| Jester45 | was it a quick download | 03:02 |
| starvinmarvin | yep | 03:02 |
| Jester45 | a full upgrade is 300mb or more | 03:02 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: Ok, so progs it is. Where does that take us? | 03:03 |
| Jester45 | run uname -r | 03:03 |
| Jester45 | o | 03:03 |
| Jester45 | yea you cant :) | 03:03 |
| Jester45 | brb xchat upgrade | 03:04 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: I feel a reinstal coming. | 03:04 |
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| starvinmarvin | Jester45: So should I just re-install? | 03:05 |
| Jester45 | do you have a live cd? | 03:05 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: Just inserted the xubuntu cd I used for install...not sure if it has a live version on it. | 03:07 |
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| Jester45 | if it boots into a desktop its live cd if not its not | 03:08 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: Well it's doing something, so we'll see. What do you have in store when I get to the live cd? | 03:10 |
| dawiz | can anyone help with a build error? | 03:11 |
| dawiz | make: *** [all] error 2 | 03:11 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: Not sure if you can help dawiz, but if you can't i'm sitting at the desktop live now. | 03:12 |
| dawiz | ? | 03:12 |
| starvinmarvin | dawiz: things move rather slow around here. You kinda have to just put your question in and wait a while. may be 2 seconds may be more. if your questionmark was for me...then I was just being nice and letting jester45 help you if he could (he/she) was helping me prior to your question. | 03:14 |
| dawiz | ok | 03:14 |
| dawiz | yeah so far its been an all day wait | 03:14 |
| starvinmarvin | Not too sure why there are so many people in the room and not responding. | 03:14 |
| starvinmarvin | But a few are usually around that really know their stuff. TheSheep for example. Don't know where that one is though. | 03:15 |
| dawiz | ive been having problems with ndiswrapper | 03:16 |
| dawiz | i think im gonna try madwifi | 03:16 |
| dawiz | i tried an older version of ndiswrapper | 03:16 |
| dawiz | still wont build | 03:16 |
| starvinmarvin | yeah, since I just learned what grub was tonight, i'm pretty sure I can't help. | 03:17 |
| dawiz | although ndiswrapper -l returns invalid driver | 03:17 |
| dawiz | heh | 03:17 |
| starvinmarvin | what are you building anyway? | 03:18 |
| dawiz | ndiswrapper | 03:18 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: did you go make nachos? Where'd ya go? | 03:18 |
| starvinmarvin | Ahh I see. | 03:19 |
| dawiz | heh | 03:19 |
| dawiz | madwifi doesnt do usb adapters | 03:19 |
| dawiz | man | 03:19 |
| starvinmarvin | And I take it your wifi device is usb | 03:19 |
| dawiz | just one thing after another | 03:19 |
| dawiz | yep | 03:19 |
| dawiz | wusb54gv2 | 03:19 |
| dawiz | linksys | 03:20 |
| starvinmarvin | So being out of the linux circuit, why all the trouble? isn't there a plug'n play driver set? | 03:20 |
| starvinmarvin | why the need to build | 03:20 |
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| dawiz | because microsoft has a strangled hold on hardware comp[atibility | 03:23 |
| starvinmarvin | I know I can't help you with your prob, but maybe you can help me w/ mine. | 03:23 |
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| dawiz | whats wrong? | 03:23 |
| starvinmarvin | Something happened to my install. I'm continually sent to grub. I'm successfully booted into the live CD, but I don't know what to do from here to fix/figure out the problem | 03:24 |
| starvinmarvin | xubuntu was working fine until i updated and rebooted. couldn't get back into the OS | 03:24 |
| dawiz | does it give you an error? | 03:25 |
| starvinmarvin | so now i'm looking at the device.map file, but i don't quite know what to do with it | 03:25 |
| starvinmarvin | nope, "loading, please wait..." | 03:25 |
| starvinmarvin | then I go to the command prompt | 03:25 |
| dawiz | from grub? | 03:25 |
| starvinmarvin | right | 03:25 |
| dawiz | u try reinstall? | 03:26 |
| starvinmarvin | As in the action or command? | 03:26 |
| dawiz | action | 03:26 |
| starvinmarvin | no, i was worried about data loss | 03:26 |
| dawiz | ic | 03:26 |
| dawiz | im not real well versed in grub | 03:26 |
| dawiz | prolly a grub issue | 03:27 |
| dawiz | wont boot the os | 03:27 |
| starvinmarvin | it's a media sever....or will be when it's done. So it has some media on the file system. i'd hate to lose that. | 03:27 |
| dawiz | maybe improper installation | 03:27 |
| dawiz | you sure the drive isnt bad? | 03:27 |
| Kr4t05 | starvinmarvin: Try using gparted to resize your root partition, and make a backup partition. Copy the files over that you want to keep, and then reinstall, making sure not to overwrite the backup partition. | 03:27 |
| dawiz | yeah that was next suggestion | 03:28 |
| Kr4t05 | dawiz: Sorry for stealing. ;) | 03:28 |
| starvinmarvin | Can I access the files if I slave the hd into a windows box? | 03:28 |
| Kr4t05 | starvinmarvin: If the Windows box has ext3 drivers, sure. | 03:29 |
| dawiz | its all good | 03:29 |
| starvinmarvin | I'm pretty sure this is all a lot more work than I ever anticipated. | 03:29 |
| Kr4t05 | starvinmarvin: It usually is. :P But, with it comes a great learning exprience. | 03:30 |
| starvinmarvin | Yeha that's true. | 03:30 |
| Kr4t05 | That's why I love Linux. It really lets me learn exactly how my computer works. | 03:30 |
| starvinmarvin | Every time I finish a chapter, I feel as if I found 10 more libraries. | 03:30 |
| Kr4t05 | Heh | 03:31 |
| Kr4t05 | Alright, then... I was wonder if someone could help me with my little project, then. | 03:31 |
| Kr4t05 | I have two machines, a desktop and a laptop. | 03:31 |
| Kr4t05 | The desktop (the machine I'm using right now) is connected to the internet via a wired connection to my DSL router. | 03:32 |
| Kr4t05 | I want to use the Wireless adapter connected to the desktop to share my connection with the laptop, which has a wireless card installed as well. | 03:32 |
| Kr4t05 | I've already done some of the work, but I'm a bit lost... | 03:33 |
| starvinmarvin | Now he's really lost. | 03:34 |
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| dawiz | man these channels suck | 03:40 |
| dawiz | why are linux users such ***holes | 03:40 |
| starvinmarvin | why what happened? | 03:40 |
| dawiz | i was in the ndiswrapper room | 03:40 |
| dawiz | lol | 03:40 |
| dawiz | no one would help me | 03:41 |
| dawiz | the bot said read the wiki | 03:41 |
| dawiz | no shit | 03:41 |
| dawiz | lol | 03:41 |
| starvinmarvin | haha | 03:41 |
| dawiz | i was like why are you here if you dont want to help anyone | 03:41 |
| dawiz | they banned me | 03:41 |
| dawiz | there was one person in the room and he refused to help me | 03:41 |
| dawiz | lol | 03:41 |
| starvinmarvin | They probably didn't know how. | 03:42 |
| dawiz | its the ndiswrapper room | 03:42 |
| dawiz | i told him the channel was a waste of memory | 03:42 |
| starvinmarvin | and this is the xubuntu room | 03:42 |
| dawiz | lol | 03:42 |
| dawiz | why is their a ndiswrapper room if not to help ppl? | 03:43 |
| dawiz | so far ive founf that the online linux community is a bunch of stuck up geeks | 03:44 |
| zoredache_ | perhaps the talk about development there | 03:44 |
| dawiz | he said it was for help | 03:44 |
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| dawiz | wtf | 03:44 |
| Kr4t05 | dawiz: Not all Linux uses. | 03:44 |
| Kr4t05 | users* | 03:44 |
| dawiz | no not all | 03:44 |
| dawiz | its seems the cool ones can never know | 03:44 |
| dawiz | tho | 03:44 |
| dawiz | nice nix users can never help me with my issues | 03:45 |
| zoredache | you realise that your average computer guru completely lacks social skills right? | 03:45 |
| zoredache | it isn't that they can't help you, they just arn't patient enough, or care enough about you to try | 03:45 |
| zoredache | as for me. I refuse to play around with ndiswrapper. I just went the easy way and purchased an adapter that actually is natively supported | 03:46 |
| Kr4t05 | dawiz: What's your problem? | 03:49 |
| Jester45 | ok im back | 03:49 |
| Kr4t05 | (With wireless, that is) | 03:49 |
| starvinmarvin | haha | 03:49 |
| Jester45 | and i didnt read all the histroy but... dawiz people use their computers and leave the irc client open at the same time | 03:50 |
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| xjkx | how many extended partitions can i have | 03:50 |
| Kr4t05 | While I'm certainly no noob, I do know how to deal with people. | 03:50 |
| zoredache | xjkx: 1 | 03:50 |
| starvinmarvin | 1 | 03:50 |
| starvinmarvin | darn | 03:50 |
| xjkx | :s | 03:50 |
| zoredache | you can can have lots of logical partition within an extended partition | 03:50 |
| starvinmarvin | That was going to be my first right answer. | 03:51 |
| Jester45 | we are volunteers and most of the helpers are nerdy so we use computers alot i spend more than 9 hours a day on one so im often doing something else but if i check back every 5 mins and see a question i know i can help if i dont know the answer or dont look then i just stay quite | 03:51 |
| xjkx | i have an extendes already, but i created it too small :S | 03:52 |
| xjkx | extended* | 03:52 |
| xjkx | cant i enlargue it? | 03:52 |
| zoredache | I see, why didn't you just make one big partition and put it all in lvm? | 03:52 |
| Jester45 | and starvinmarvin you need to mount the harddrive once in the live cd and then edit the grub confnig | 03:53 |
| zoredache | logical volumes inside a lvm partion can be resized | 03:53 |
| Jester45 | zoredache, because its not as redundant or versitile | 03:53 |
| zoredache | not as redundant as what? | 03:54 |
| Jester45 | xjkx, you might be able to inlarge... i dont thin ext3 can be and thats what you probly used | 03:54 |
| Jester45 | zoredache, as real diffrent partitions | 03:54 |
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| zoredache | ext3 can be enlarged... | 03:56 |
| zoredache | but he was talking about an extended partition, not a partition that was ext3 if I understood him correclty | 03:57 |
| Kr4t05 | Hrm... | 04:03 |
| Kr4t05 | I can't figure this out... | 04:03 |
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| Jester45 | Kr4t05, whats your problem | 04:07 |
| Kr4t05 | Jester45: I'm trying to share my ethernet connection via wireless. | 04:07 |
| dawiz | whats arong kr4? | 04:08 |
| Jester45 | oo | 04:08 |
| Kr4t05 | I have the desktop (the "server") all set up, but it doesn't seem like the wireless adapter is actually broadcasting. | 04:08 |
| Jester45 | i would say that would need iptables | 04:08 |
| Kr4t05 | I've been following this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/ShareEthernetConnectionThroughWireless | 04:08 |
| Kr4t05 | But, I'm a bit confused by some of it. | 04:09 |
| Jester45 | and is the server linux? and can you use the wireless connected (is it supported/functioning) | 04:09 |
| Kr4t05 | Jester45: That's just it... I'm not sure... | 04:09 |
| Kr4t05 | There aren't any other wireless networks in range for me to connect to. | 04:10 |
| dawiz | i cant get ndiswrapper to build for nothing | 04:10 |
| starvinmarvin | And don't even get him started on the ndiswrapper channel. | 04:11 |
| dawiz | ndiswrapper channel is a waste of memory | 04:11 |
| starvinmarvin | On the bright side, I'm booting into Windows XP. | 04:11 |
| dawiz | lol | 04:11 |
| starvinmarvin | :) | 04:12 |
| dawiz | im ready to go back to osX | 04:12 |
| xjkx | Jester45: inside the extended there is a logical which is ext3, but the extendes itself is not formated to anything | 04:12 |
| Kr4t05 | Jester45: Here's a printout of iwconfig on this machine (the desktop): http://pastebin.com/m4cb676a2 | 04:12 |
| Kr4t05 | That seems to be in order... But I'm not sure. | 04:13 |
| Jester45 | dawiz, why are you compiling it? | 04:13 |
| Jester45 | why not use the deb? | 04:13 |
| dawiz | lol | 04:16 |
| dawiz | im searching for the deb file now | 04:16 |
| Kr4t05 | dawiz: Apt-get? | 04:16 |
| dawiz | its on a box next to me | 04:16 |
| dawiz | no connection to it right now | 04:16 |
| Kr4t05 | Oh, wait... | 04:16 |
| Kr4t05 | Duh. | 04:16 |
| Kr4t05 | Brain fart. | 04:16 |
| dawiz | so everything must dl to this box then burn to cd | 04:16 |
| dawiz | pita | 04:16 |
| dawiz | lol | 04:16 |
| dawiz | ugh | 04:16 |
| Kr4t05 | This is why a flash drive is a Godsend. | 04:17 |
| dawiz | 'yeah | 04:17 |
| dawiz | dont have one tho | 04:17 |
| Kr4t05 | Shame. | 04:17 |
| starvinmarvin | Wow. | 04:17 |
| starvinmarvin | How is that possible? | 04:17 |
| Kr4t05 | Maybe next time you'll pick one up? :P | 04:17 |
| dawiz | the box im workin on is celeron mhz | 04:17 |
| dawiz | 300* | 04:17 |
| dawiz | 48mb ram | 04:17 |
| dawiz | 6 gb hd | 04:18 |
| Kr4t05 | 1GB is only $15 | 04:18 |
| dawiz | no nic | 04:18 |
| starvinmarvin | what are you using it for? | 04:18 |
| dawiz | yeah i dont have one at home | 04:18 |
| Kr4t05 | Jeeze.... | 04:18 |
| dawiz | a box for my friend | 04:18 |
| starvinmarvin | General destkop use? | 04:18 |
| Jester45 | dawiz, that box willl not run xubuntu to good unless you cut down on the mem useage | 04:19 |
| Jester45 | or if your using it as a cli only system | 04:20 |
| Jester45 | a hit by me is to add | 04:20 |
| dawiz | its running fine | 04:20 |
| Jester45 | startxfce4 to each users ~/.bashrc | 04:20 |
| Jester45 | and then remove gdm | 04:21 |
| dawiz | its just a box to surf the net with | 04:21 |
| Jester45 | so to login they have to use text but it ask login: then passoword and then will start xfce | 04:21 |
| Jester45 | cuts down at least 15 mb | 04:21 |
| dawiz | yeah | 04:22 |
| Jester45 | and its faster | 04:22 |
| dawiz | yeah true | 04:22 |
| dawiz | its not as slow as you would think tho | 04:23 |
| Jester45 | as it doesnt have to load gdm (and that includes come gnome) jsut to get X | 04:23 |
| dawiz | right | 04:23 |
| Jester45 | o and change the bitdeapth from 24 to 16 | 04:23 |
| dawiz | ill keep those in mind | 04:23 |
| Jester45 | cuts 10-20 mb off of x.org's memory | 04:23 |
| dawiz | id like to get it online first tho | 04:23 |
| Jester45 | and looks the same | 04:23 |
| dawiz | bitdeapth huh? | 04:24 |
| dawiz | by chance know where a wiki is for it? | 04:24 |
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| Jester45 | and a 3rd thing that i like is to listen to music via mpd+sonata | 04:24 |
| dawiz | i like references | 04:24 |
| ravtux | hi | 04:24 |
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| Jester45 | bit depth * | 04:24 |
| ravtux | I just installed xubuntu | 04:24 |
| ravtux | love it! | 04:25 |
| ravtux | but I need some help | 04:25 |
| ravtux | how do I customize the grub to boot to XP? | 04:25 |
| Jester45 | like on windows it calles it the color like 8 bit(256 colors) 16bit (low color) 32bit(high color) | 04:25 |
| Jester45 | ravtux, i can help you with that if you give me a few minutes to finish what im working on right now | 04:26 |
| ravtux | Jester45: cool | 04:26 |
| dawiz | looks like my ip has been banned from the ndiswrapper website | 04:26 |
| starvinmarvin | hahah | 04:27 |
| starvinmarvin | You really pissed them off huh? | 04:27 |
| dawiz | guy was a dick | 04:27 |
| dawiz | i made to much sense | 04:27 |
| dawiz | assholes | 04:27 |
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| dawiz | lol | 04:28 |
| starvinmarvin | Did a bot kick you? | 04:28 |
| dawiz | i think for language | 04:29 |
| maxamillion | starvinmarvin: no, i did | 04:29 |
| dawiz | for what? | 04:29 |
| maxamillion | dawiz: language | 04:29 |
| dawiz | lol | 04:29 |
| dawiz | i know all these virgin ears | 04:29 |
| maxamillion | dawiz: its an ubuntu CoC thing ... not my rules, i just signed up to defend them :) | 04:29 |
| Jester45 | !language | 04:29 |
| ubotu | Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. | 04:29 |
| starvinmarvin | !language | 04:29 |
| Jester45 | maxamillion, can i get the powers also :) | 04:30 |
| Jester45 | huhu hyper_ch | 04:30 |
| dawiz | lol | 04:30 |
| maxamillion | Jester45: i can't give them perminantly ... and i dunno about renegade ops running around | 04:30 |
| starvinmarvin | maxamillion, I want to create a botnet to destroy all other botnets, can I? | 04:30 |
| Jester45 | renegade... cmon its me | 04:30 |
| ravtux | Jester45: you ready? | 04:30 |
| Jester45 | starvinmarvin, not on freenode | 04:31 |
| maxamillion | starvinmarvin: you can try, but i think you would be shutdown before it got far | 04:31 |
| dawiz | so ubuntu is about some kind of moral oppression? | 04:31 |
| Jester45 | starvinmarvin, chanserv protects it | 04:31 |
| dawiz | sound like jesusbuntu | 04:31 |
| dawiz | lol | 04:31 |
| maxamillion | dawiz: yeah .... go on ubuntu.com and either click on code of conduct or search for it | 04:31 |
| starvinmarvin | Yeah, i was just joking. I don't even know how to write a script. | 04:31 |
| dawiz | hmmm | 04:31 |
| dawiz | im thinkin maybe i shouldnt support ubuntu by using it anymore | 04:32 |
| dawiz | never had theser moral issues with slack users | 04:32 |
| Jester45 | starvinmarvin, there are pre man ones... all you need is winxp without any service packes or anti-* and go to some pron sites | 04:32 |
| maxamillion | dawiz: heh ... i haven't run ubuntu in quite some time .... i've been a debian user for almost a decade, tried xubuntu ... really liked it but got fed up with ubuntu's instabilities so i went back to old faithful | 04:32 |
| starvinmarvin | na, my script kiddie days are over. | 04:32 |
| starvinmarvin | sub7 ftw!!! | 04:33 |
| dawiz | i think its pretty obvious pat isnt a nazi moralistic christian type | 04:33 |
| dawiz | yeah | 04:33 |
| dawiz | matter of fact | 04:33 |
| maxamillion | then found openbox and pypanel ... fell in love and haven't touched a traditional desktop environment since (though that will change at my new job :/) | 04:33 |
| dawiz | im gonna install deb now | 04:33 |
| Jester45 | it isnt here, its just being nice to others | 04:33 |
| dawiz | i like de's | 04:33 |
| dawiz | nice to others | 04:34 |
| dawiz | lol | 04:34 |
| dawiz | its very rarely ive been treated nice at all in any of these channels | 04:34 |
| dawiz | but i get messed with for language | 04:35 |
| maxamillion | dawiz: that's not good :( | 04:35 |
| dawiz | ive tried to help ppl and have helped many before | 04:35 |
| maxamillion | dawiz: well, honestly ... i don't mind but i did tag my gpg signature to a document saying i would uphold their CoC inside their channels | 04:35 |
| dawiz | but ppl tell me to buzz oiff | 04:35 |
| dawiz | maybe my issues are over their head and they cant help | 04:36 |
| maxamillion | dawiz: its possible | 04:36 |
| dawiz | and rather than bring their ego down a level or too they just ban me | 04:36 |
| dawiz | lol | 04:36 |
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| dawiz | right on | 04:36 |
| dawiz | only way to learn | 04:36 |
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| maxamillion | there is too much out there to know everything, i think i know a respectable amount ... but i by no means know everything | 04:37 |
| dawiz | is shuttleworth a nazi fundamentalist christian or something? | 04:38 |
| starvinmarvin | Speaking of knowing everytihng. I booted my xp box (flawlessly) and attached my pervious linux hard drive as a slave. I can see the hard drive in the device manager, but not in the file system. | 04:38 |
| Jester45 | because xp needs an ext3 driver | 04:39 |
| maxamillion | dawiz: no, he just believes in a "family friendly" universe | 04:39 |
| starvinmarvin | how would I go about getting one of them? | 04:39 |
| dawiz | lol | 04:39 |
| dawiz | how is that unfamily like? | 04:39 |
| dawiz | because some ancient christian notion those words are bad | 04:39 |
| dawiz | ? | 04:39 |
| dawiz | tahts a lie within itself | 04:39 |
| starvinmarvin | It's the meaning behind them dawiz | 04:39 |
| starvinmarvin | You didn't use the word to describe them in a manner that you could generally like to be described as, right? | 04:40 |
| dawiz | censorship is wrong | 04:40 |
| dawiz | its unbecoming of what linux stands for | 04:40 |
| Jester45 | starvinmarvin, google for ext3 windows driver, it has a weird website like blah.blah.blah.blah.edu or something like that | 04:40 |
| dawiz | i dont care if someone describes me as that | 04:40 |
| starvinmarvin | Jester45: thanks. | 04:40 |
| dawiz | chances are its because thats what my actions are | 04:41 |
| starvinmarvin | dawiz: Yeah, me either. I was just playing devil's advocate | 04:41 |
| zoredache | one of you guys don't happen to know which config file stores the file to application assoications? | 04:41 |
| dawiz | hmmmm | 04:41 |
| starvinmarvin | In the back, all the way to the left. | 04:41 |
| dawiz | back to slack maybe | 04:42 |
| starvinmarvin | Can't miss it. | 04:42 |
| dawiz | 12 is out now | 04:42 |
| dawiz | ubuntu is great cause its less headache | 04:42 |
| starvinmarvin | is it really? | 04:42 |
| maxamillion | zoredache: i think it is in ~/.config/Thunar/ somewhere ... but don't quote me on that | 04:42 |
| Jester45 | its good once you get to know it | 04:42 |
| starvinmarvin | I haven't even tried it. | 04:42 |
| dawiz | but the community and ppl behind it im really not agreeing with | 04:42 |
| zoredache | maxamillion: I am looking there and not finding anything... | 04:42 |
| starvinmarvin | are you behind the windows community? | 04:43 |
| dawiz | the church of the subgenius may be crazy but at least they wont push ideals on me in their channels | 04:43 |
| dawiz | whats the difference? | 04:43 |
| zoredache | I am trying to get setup something so that when I click on a movie it queues it in vlc and doesn't start a new window playing it | 04:43 |
| starvinmarvin | it's an os not a faction. | 04:43 |
| dawiz | censorship is something bill would do | 04:43 |
| Jester45 | well this is a smaller community so less knowledge excluding TheSheep #ubuntu has 1000 people more than here so they know more.... but some thinks are xfce specific | 04:43 |
| starvinmarvin | bill lumberg? | 04:43 |
| dawiz | bill gates | 04:43 |
| starvinmarvin | I know. | 04:44 |
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| dawiz | i havent used windows in over 4 years | 04:44 |
| dawiz | lol | 04:44 |
| xjkx | who is automounting my devices here? what process | 04:44 |
| Jester45 | that might be thunar thats my guess | 04:44 |
| Jester45 | billy doesnt run ms anymore | 04:44 |
| xjkx | i almost had my disk over by that | 04:44 |
| Jester45 | he did in the pre nt kernel days | 04:44 |
| xjkx | over = lost | 04:45 |
| starvinmarvin | what does he run now? | 04:45 |
| xjkx | i'd like to disable it, but i'm not uninstalling thunra | 04:45 |
| xjkx | thunar | 04:45 |
| Jester45 | nothing | 04:52 |
| Jester45 | that i know of | 04:52 |
| Jester45 | his old partner that started MS is running it now | 04:52 |
| Jester45 | and killed it after win2k | 04:52 |
| Jester45 | at least to me | 04:52 |
| xjkx | you talkinb about bill gates? | 04:53 |
| xjkx | talking~ | 04:53 |
| starvinmarvin | long live Ext2IFS_1_10c.exe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111one!!eleven | 04:54 |
| maxamillion | heh ... ok | 04:58 |
| dawiz | hmmm | 05:08 |
| dawiz | time to wipe *ubuntu | 05:08 |
| dawiz | deb seems nice | 05:08 |
| dawiz | as long as the dependency nightmares arent too bad | 05:09 |
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| xjkx | the i-am-not-sure-what mounts my devices while i am deleting partitions, it fucked me up once i need it to stop :S | 05:13 |
| xjkx | the other time it gave an error on deleting and then said my table was wrong and didnt list, i had to fdisk it and delete the undone partition | 05:14 |
| xjkx | it just mounts while must not | 05:14 |
| xjkx | i am running by the livecd coz i thought it would stop here | 05:15 |
| xjkx | deleting partitions = with gparted | 05:15 |
| starvinmarvin | uh oh I feel some !language wrath coming on. | 05:15 |
| xjkx | why | 05:16 |
| starvinmarvin | because you swore. | 05:16 |
| starvinmarvin | You must have missed the VERY /sacasm interesting debate that was going on earlier about swearing in the channel | 05:17 |
| starvinmarvin | I must be the only sole alive that recalls the ole battle. | 05:17 |
| xjkx | you mean swearing by that i done an abusive statement? | 05:18 |
| xjkx | c`mon, i will learn a new word | 05:19 |
| starvinmarvin | Not sure what the rules are. | 05:19 |
| starvinmarvin | I don't follow rules anyway, just poke fun at them from time to time. | 05:20 |
| xjkx | i cant see me swearing | 05:20 |
| xjkx | even looked up this word in dictionary | 05:20 |
| starvinmarvin | Meaning what? I can see it right there. | 05:20 |
| xjkx | the i-am-not-sure-what ? | 05:20 |
| starvinmarvin | yeah | 05:20 |
| xjkx | lol | 05:20 |
| xjkx | i didnt mean what you think, i really meant what i wrote | 05:21 |
| xjkx | i am trying to figure what it is, that is mounting | 05:21 |
| starvinmarvin | no, several words later | 05:21 |
| xjkx | aaaaaw | 05:21 |
| starvinmarvin | partitions, it f#%#ed | 05:21 |
| xjkx | now i see ?P | 05:21 |
| starvinmarvin | lord | 05:21 |
| starvinmarvin | that took way too long | 05:21 |
| xjkx | i didnt feel like doing, it just came out | 05:22 |
| Jester45 | <xjkx> the i-am-not-sure-what mounts my devices while i am deleting partitions, it fucked me up once i need it to stop :S | 05:22 |
| Jester45 | there is an un wanted f word | 05:22 |
| starvinmarvin | haha | 05:22 |
| xjkx | sorry about that | 05:22 |
| starvinmarvin | you said it | 05:22 |
| xjkx | but it was good, the bad f word, because i learnt a new word with s | 05:22 |
| Jester45 | i didnt "say" anything | 05:22 |
| Jester45 | i copied | 05:23 |
| starvinmarvin | copy cat | 05:23 |
| xjkx | i found it, it was thunar and in advance option i can disable device managment or something, thanks for your guess Jester45 | 05:25 |
| xjkx | my tip is that you all should do it if you are partitionning with gparted, remember that and your disk will be fine | 05:28 |
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| Kr4t05 | Wow, compositing in XFCE is some neat stuff. | 06:18 |
| Kr4t05 | But, how about some transparent panels? | 06:19 |
| Kr4t05 | Oh! Wait! They ARE transparent! SWEET! | 06:19 |
| The-Kernel | Ben_Cs hey' | 06:19 |
| Ben_Cs | Hey | 06:20 |
| Ben_Cs | u got lucky, just woke up :) | 06:20 |
| The-Kernel | nice, so hows the problem going? | 06:21 |
| Ben_Cs | well, no disconnections yet, as far as i notice | 06:22 |
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| Ben_Cs | maybe it was WinXP that "saved power" by shutting down the ethernet card... | 06:23 |
| The-Kernel | possibly | 06:23 |
| The-Kernel | hey did anyone see - * zoredache_ (n=zoredach@pdpc/supporter/active/zoredache) has joined #xubuntu | 06:24 |
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| The-Kernel | or was that just me? | 06:24 |
| Ben_Cs | yeh, saw it | 06:24 |
| The-Kernel | wow | 06:24 |
| The-Kernel | zoredache is like a god of computers | 06:25 |
| The-Kernel | he's a pretty smart guy, always has an answer for your questions | 06:25 |
| Ben_Cs | really | 06:25 |
| Ben_Cs | ? | 06:25 |
| The-Kernel | yes | 06:25 |
| The-Kernel | I don't get why he's in here though | 06:25 |
| Ben_Cs | were do u know him from, then? | 06:26 |
| The-Kernel | he is my former mentor | 06:27 |
| The-Kernel | in computers that is | 06:27 |
| Ben_Cs | you know him in real life or from the net? | 06:28 |
| The-Kernel | net | 06:28 |
| Ben_Cs | ok | 06:29 |
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| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: what's the main difference between BSD an Linux? (except that BSD is unix and not linux)? | 06:35 |
| The-Kernel | not much | 06:36 |
| The-Kernel | different syntax | 06:36 |
| The-Kernel | different kernel | 06:36 |
| The-Kernel | some different commands | 06:36 |
| The-Kernel | it is a bit more powerful the linux | 06:36 |
| The-Kernel | in its abilities | 06:36 |
| The-Kernel | but if you don't figure out how to properly utilize it, it won't do you any good, RTFM!!! | 06:37 |
| Ben_Cs | so it's just " unix is better then linux" thingy? | 06:37 |
| The-Kernel | that's what they say | 06:37 |
| The-Kernel | not really | 06:37 |
| The-Kernel | usually people with BSD don | 06:37 |
| The-Kernel | t call themselves better | 06:37 |
| The-Kernel | just more powerful | 06:37 |
| Ben_Cs | how's BSD differenet from other versions of unix, ie: solaris? | 06:38 |
| The-Kernel | BSD is also completely "Made in the USA" | 06:38 |
| The-Kernel | not too sure, I havn't used Solaris so I would know the differences | 06:39 |
| Ben_Cs | and that's important because...? | 06:39 |
| The-Kernel | Its something we can call our own | 06:39 |
| The-Kernel | :P | 06:39 |
| The-Kernel | sometimes that's all that matters | 06:39 |
| Ben_Cs | i can't deside wether to try freebsd or opensolaris (on virtual machine on xubuntu) ? | 06:40 |
| Ben_Cs | solaris is the best unix isn't it? | 06:41 |
| The-Kernel | no | 06:43 |
| The-Kernel | Go with BSD | 06:43 |
| The-Kernel | its more commonly used | 06:43 |
| The-Kernel | and then Solaris, both are very good to know | 06:43 |
| Ben_Cs | btw, is there a difference i'll notice, between linux and unix, except for some extra commands in shell? | 06:44 |
| The-Kernel | yeah | 06:45 |
| The-Kernel | you will\ | 06:45 |
| Ben_Cs | what's the most commonly used unix for servers? solaris, bsd, something else? | 06:46 |
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| [hans] | Forgive me, I'm a bit new to IRC | 06:47 |
| [hans] | I'm looking for help installing Xubuntu on an old laptop | 06:47 |
| [hans] | I have a few questions | 06:47 |
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| Ben_Cs | [hans] : don't ask to ask. just ask the questions :) | 06:48 |
| [hans] | (Asked to see if there was actually anybody here ;) ) | 06:48 |
| [hans] | We'd like to install Xubuntu on an old Gateway laptop of a friend's. He's got 128MB of RAM. | 06:49 |
| Ben_Cs | what cpu? | 06:49 |
| [hans] | Celeron | 06:49 |
| Ben_Cs | mhz? | 06:49 |
| [hans] | Not sure. He was "running" XP Pro on it | 06:50 |
| The-Kernel | [hans] it should work fine, just use the alt cd to install it | 06:50 |
| [hans] | The FAQ says the system needs 128MB to run, !92MB to install, and between 64-128MB once installed | 06:51 |
| [hans] | The "alt cd" as opposed to the desktop cd? | 06:51 |
| [hans] | Got it downloading. What's the difference between the two? | 06:52 |
| Ben_Cs | [hans] :the alt cd installs without gui | 06:53 |
| Ben_Cs | you have to install gui manually later on | 06:54 |
| [hans] | Alright, how do I do that? Do you have a link? | 06:54 |
| Ben_Cs | after you install the alt cd u: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop | 06:55 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: isn't there a normal opensolaris version? i see only developer versions and other solaris based OS on opensolaris site | 06:56 |
| [hans] | ok. I doubt it'll have his wireless drivers installed, but we can patch in. Thanks. | 06:57 |
| Ben_Cs | np | 06:58 |
| The-Kernel | ? | 06:59 |
| The-Kernel | [hans] the alt cd installs gui with it, there should be no problem there | 06:59 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: thought the alt cd is more like the server cd | 07:04 |
| The-Kernel | no | 07:04 |
| The-Kernel | it just installs it via CLI and not a live cd | 07:05 |
| The-Kernel | it has everything else needed | 07:05 |
| Ben_Cs | i see | 07:07 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: still wondering wether is should waste my time on learning bsd, opensolaris, or will Gentoo be more usefull for me? | 07:08 |
| The-Kernel | Why are you learning them? | 07:09 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: hoping to be sysadmin some day | 07:11 |
| Ben_Cs | so gotta be familiar with heavy unix/linux distros | 07:11 |
| The-Kernel | In this order, BSD. Gentoo, Solaris | 07:12 |
| [hans] | The-Kernel: Thanks :) | 07:13 |
| Ben_Cs | you saying lots of servers run bsd? | 07:14 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: what distro do u recommend? freebsd, openbsd etc...? | 07:14 |
| The-Kernel | FreeBSD | 07:15 |
| The-Kernel | Benny, do you plan on going to college? Or are you going to college? or did you go to college? | 07:16 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: i'm in college. going to 2'nd year | 07:16 |
| Ben_Cs | in college i have centos | 07:17 |
| The-Kernel | so a Community College? | 07:17 |
| The-Kernel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_%28operating_system%29 | 07:17 |
| The-Kernel | what kind of computer classes do they offer | 07:19 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: don't quite get your question. can u refraze? | 07:20 |
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| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: if i get you right: first 2 years mostly math, algorithms, c++ and a little bit of linux. 3rd year: java, sysadmin, image processing etc. | 07:22 |
| The-Kernel | oh.. | 07:23 |
| The-Kernel | so its a 4 year college | 07:23 |
| The-Kernel | Ben_Cs WHICH COLLEGE IS IT | 07:23 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel:3 year actually. it's in Israel | 07:24 |
| The-Kernel | !! | 07:24 |
| The-Kernel | ah | 07:24 |
| The-Kernel | I have no idea what kind of system you use there | 07:24 |
| The-Kernel | what are your degree's called? | 07:24 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: B. Sc. | 07:24 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: i know my dad (is sys-admin) has solaris in work | 07:25 |
| The-Kernel | no idea what that is but ok | 07:25 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: B. Science. | 07:25 |
| The-Kernel | OH | 07:25 |
| The-Kernel | Bachelor in Science | 07:25 |
| The-Kernel | ok | 07:25 |
| The-Kernel | yeah that usually takes us 4 years to get here | 07:25 |
| The-Kernel | 2 years, A.S, 4 years, B.S., 6 Years, M.S., 8 years, doctorate | 07:27 |
| [hans] | They might do it year round with no summer break | 07:27 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: been thinking. is it worth the head-ache of bsd, or is it better to get into the guts of xubuntu-debian | 07:27 |
| Ben_Cs | ? | 07:27 |
| [hans] | I had a school like that | 07:27 |
| The-Kernel | Ben_Cs learn it fully, move on to the lext, that's what I did and it's serving me well | 07:28 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: think you're right. cause if u know one distro inside-out, then the others are pretty similar, right? | 07:29 |
| The-Kernel | somewhat | 07:30 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: what unix/linux do u usually use? you being in this channel means you use xubuntu most comonly? | 07:31 |
| The-Kernel | slackware | 07:31 |
| Ben_Cs | y? | 07:32 |
| Ben_Cs | thought Gentoo is the experts choice | 07:32 |
| The-Kernel | be cause it has you configure EVERY FRIKING THING!!! | 07:32 |
| The-Kernel | Gentoo takes to long | 07:32 |
| Ben_Cs | in Gentoo there's no packagin system right? you compile everything from src? | 07:34 |
| lphst | Ben_Cs: true. | 07:34 |
| lphst | Ben_Cs: what packaging system does slackware usE? | 07:35 |
| lphst | The-Kernel: what packaging system does slackware usE? | 07:36 |
| The-Kernel | tarbalz | 07:36 |
| The-Kernel | I'm out | 07:36 |
| Ben_Cs | lphst: so how do u keep track of software updates? | 07:36 |
| rici | personally i find freebsd really easy | 07:37 |
| lphst | Ben_Cs: not sure, by luck i guess? :D | 07:38 |
| Ben_Cs | lphst: you have to read everyday posts of soft news? frustrating isn't it? | 07:39 |
| lphst | yeah. | 07:43 |
| [hans] | Hey, my friend is having problems with his CD drive - how do you do a net install? | 07:50 |
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| xjkx | i'd like to add xubuntu to my lilo...how do i do it? it has like MANY options :p | 07:57 |
| Ben_Cs | xjkx: sorry, don't know. using grub. | 08:00 |
| xjkx | :p | 08:00 |
| xjkx | i liked grub, before it didnt want to load slackware | 08:01 |
| Ben_Cs | xjkx: used lilo many years ago with redhat. so don't remember | 08:04 |
| xjkx | Ben_Cs, can you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst ? | 08:05 |
| Ben_Cs | one sec | 08:06 |
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| Surger | !repos | 08:41 |
| ubotu | The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource | 08:41 |
| Ben_Cs | !deb | 08:42 |
| ubotu | deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu) | 08:42 |
| Ben_Cs | !debian | 08:42 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu! | 08:42 |
| Ben_Cs | !gentoo | 08:42 |
| ubotu | Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems) | 08:42 |
| Surger | How do I find what repository a package is in? | 08:42 |
| Ben_Cs | ah, thought it'll be more informative | 08:42 |
| Ben_Cs | Surger: try searching ubuntu repos in ubuntu site | 08:43 |
| Surger | Ok | 08:43 |
| Ben_Cs | http://packages.ubuntu.com/ | 08:44 |
| Ben_Cs | u can search there in different repos | 08:44 |
| Surger | Ta | 08:44 |
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| anonymouse | hi anyone can help me? | 09:10 |
| TheSheep | !ask anonymouse | 09:16 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about ask anonymouse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 09:16 |
| TheSheep | !ask | anonymouse | 09:16 |
| ubotu | anonymouse: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) | 09:16 |
| anonymouse | oh.. | 09:17 |
| anonymouse | i got xuuntu installed the first time around without problems | 09:17 |
| TheSheep | that's horrible! | 09:18 |
| TheSheep | we have to fix it in the next release! ;) | 09:18 |
| anonymouse | :O | 09:18 |
| anonymouse | =-O | 09:18 |
| anonymouse | well....my brother accidentally installed something else on top, things got screwed. | 09:18 |
| anonymouse | format and try to reinstall xubuntu but the problem is, i get stuck at the partitioning part | 09:19 |
| anonymouse | ext2 and ext3 fail | 09:19 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: ah, disable volume management in thunar in the live cd | 09:19 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: thunar->edit->preferences->advanced->volume manager | 09:20 |
| anonymouse | how to get to thunar? | 09:21 |
| anonymouse | i click on the installer and go thru 7 steps | 09:24 |
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| TheSheep | anonymouse: just open any directory | 09:26 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: the window that appears is thunar | 09:26 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: the unmount all paritions before starting the installer | 09:27 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: the problem is that thunar's volume manager automatically mounts these partitions, and then the installer can't format them | 09:28 |
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| anonymouse | ok | 09:28 |
| magic_ninja | man my inet is acting wierd, running really slow and such | 09:28 |
| magic_ninja | over 5 minutes and still hasn't loaded google.com | 09:28 |
| anonymouse | so his means my windows xp will be gone? | 09:28 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: no, unless you explicitly delete it | 09:30 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: which is always an open option, of course ;) | 09:30 |
| magic_ninja | something is screwey here | 09:30 |
| anonymouse | hmmm | 09:30 |
| anonymouse | okay so in file manager i see ubuntu, trash, desktop, file system and 29g volume | 09:31 |
| anonymouse | i just unmount 29g volume | 09:31 |
| anonymouse | then start the installer again? | 09:31 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: unmount them all, it's not formatting | 09:31 |
| TheSheep | (well, you cannot unmount trash or the cd) | 09:32 |
| anonymouse | i'm running on the live cd | 09:33 |
| anonymouse | so file system should be a ramdisk, rite? | 09:33 |
| magic_ninja | ok i got some info, on msn i can recieve messages | 09:33 |
| magic_ninja | but not send them | 09:33 |
| anonymouse | and i just need to unmount 29g | 09:33 |
| magic_ninja | TheSheep: are you getting any of these messages | 09:33 |
| TheSheep | magic_ninja: I'd rather bite my head off than use msn | 09:34 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: actually with live cd the main filesystem is a kind of a funny merge of your ram and cd rom | 09:35 |
| magic_ninja | TheSheep: well its a test, i'm getting mass timeout that indicatates mass packetloss | 09:35 |
| TheSheep | magic_ninja: use mtr Luke | 09:35 |
| magic_ninja | mtr luke? | 09:35 |
| TheSheep | !info mtr | 09:35 |
| ubotu | mtr: Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.71-2 (feisty), package size 46 kB, installed size 160 kB | 09:35 |
| magic_ninja | TheSheep: i can't get it its timing out | 09:36 |
| anonymouse | ok....unmounting everything! | 09:36 |
| magic_ninja | TheSheep: could it be because of ipv6 | 09:37 |
| TheSheep | magic_ninja: use ip numbers, not domain names | 09:38 |
| magic_ninja | TheSheep: do you mind if i do the trace on your ip (if not thats fine just want an ez to get ip) | 09:39 |
| magic_ninja | TheSheep: nvm got one | 09:39 |
| anonymouse | LOL...i can't unmount file system....i guess i am ready to go | 09:39 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: you can't unmount if there is some program running and has any file in there opened | 09:40 |
| magic_ninja | TheSheep: its working fine i think its just going so slow its timing out, thinking it might be a problem with ipv6 just had a new connection installed | 09:41 |
| magic_ninja | TheSheep: need to disable ipv6 but i can't look up how | 09:41 |
| anonymouse | xubuntu dun have terminal to plonk in cheat codes for the installatio? | 09:42 |
| TheSheep | magic_ninja: edit /etc/modules/blacklist and add 'blacklist ipv6' in there | 09:42 |
| magic_ninja | now its working fine, wierd | 09:42 |
| TheSheep | magic_ninja: probably your dns was down | 09:42 |
| magic_ninja | thats what i was thinking | 09:43 |
| magic_ninja | i changed my default dns server and it worked fine | 09:43 |
| magic_ninja | alright ty sheep, tell me right after i fix it lol | 09:43 |
| magic_ninja | TheSheep: sheep: 23 ninja: 1 | 09:43 |
| anonymouse | okay i am at the partition manager screen | 09:44 |
| anonymouse | which is better guided 54% or guided entire disk? | 09:45 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: no idea, I haven't seen the new installer yet | 09:46 |
| anonymouse | i think i will go for entire disk | 09:47 |
| magic_ninja | anon | 09:48 |
| anonymouse | ya? | 09:48 |
| magic_ninja | if you are having problems, see if you can create another partition at the end of the disk and back your data up into that | 09:48 |
| magic_ninja | or try to apt-get qtparted and do it with that | 09:48 |
| magic_ninja | at least if you format it you won't loose your data | 09:49 |
| anonymouse | i dun need to backup anything just want xubuntu 7.04 to work | 09:49 |
| anonymouse | there is almost nothing to do on the livecd except install | 09:50 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: wait, let me get one thing | 09:50 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: your brother installed windows, and now the boot menu is gone | 09:50 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: right? | 09:50 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: you can get the menu back without reinstalling the whole thing | 09:50 |
| TheSheep | !grub | 09:50 |
| ubotu | grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto | 09:50 |
| anonymouse | nope | 09:51 |
| anonymouse | that was a few formats back | 09:51 |
| TheSheep | argh | 09:51 |
| magic_ninja | format the whole disk then lol, sounds like your beat | 09:52 |
| anonymouse | i dunno why using disk managers wasn't working so i use windows xp installer cd, installed windows xp on fat32 then if can multiboot to xubuntu even better | 09:52 |
| magic_ninja | anonymouse: winxp just has to be on the first partition of the drive | 09:52 |
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| anonymouse | wish me luck the partitioner is working | 09:53 |
| TheSheep | magic_ninja: what if you want to have multiple windows xp installed? | 09:54 |
| anonymouse | i mean doing its thing | 09:54 |
| tuxcrafte1 | hello guys, i forgot the command were I can set up my default email and Internet browser, can somebody enlighten me again? :-D | 09:55 |
| TheSheep | tuxcrafte1: settings->preferred applications | 09:56 |
| tuxcrafte1 | TheSheep: i was looking for the commandline tool | 09:56 |
| TheSheep | tuxcrafte1: I don't know any, you just create a bunch of text files | 09:57 |
| tuxcrafte1 | the preferred applications tool does not work here | 09:57 |
| TheSheep | tuxcrafte1: well, it works in xubuntu | 09:58 |
| anonymouse | fingers crossed :P | 09:58 |
| tuxcrafte1 | not here | 09:58 |
| TheSheep | tuxcrafte1: something must be broken :) | 09:59 |
| tuxcrafte1 | TheSheep: the last 3 releases it did not work by me and they were all fresh installs | 09:59 |
| tuxcrafte1 | I alsways fixed this with the commandline tool | 10:00 |
| tuxcrafte1 | but i forgot the name of it | 10:00 |
| anonymouse | creating ext3 | 10:00 |
| TheSheep | hmm... | 10:00 |
| anonymouse | partition #2 | 10:00 |
| TheSheep | tuxcrafte1: update-alternatives ? | 10:00 |
| anonymouse | fingers crossed | 10:00 |
| tuxcrafte1 | TheSheep: yes there it is | 10:03 |
| tuxcrafte1 | sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser | 10:04 |
| tuxcrafte1 | perfect | 10:04 |
| tuxcrafte1 | know it works again | 10:04 |
| anonymouse | mmmm it seems to be installing :-D | 10:08 |
| tuxcrafte1 | TheSheep: thanks for the heads up got my system back to normal again | 10:11 |
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| Ben_Cs | i'm going to install debian with xfce, for testing on a virtual machine :) | 10:11 |
| anonymouse | do the function keys work in xubuntu? | 10:11 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: yes | 10:11 |
| TheSheep | for any value of "work" | 10:12 |
| anonymouse | i just need it to be able to shoot the vga out to the projector | 10:14 |
| TheSheep | !xinerama | 10:15 |
| ubotu | xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead | 10:15 |
| anonymouse | doesn't sound like something i need, just shoot my presentation out from impress | 10:16 |
| anonymouse | to the company projector | 10:16 |
| anonymouse | 74% | 10:20 |
| anonymouse | sheep u there? | 10:21 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: yes, sorry, was afk | 10:23 |
| anonymouse | the xinerama doesn | 10:23 |
| anonymouse | doesnt sound like something for me | 10:24 |
| anonymouse | anything else? | 10:24 |
| anonymouse | 90% | 10:25 |
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| TheSheep | anonymouse: you can check if it just work :) | 10:33 |
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| anonymouse | ok | 10:34 |
| anonymouse | restarting the computer, fingers crossed :) | 10:35 |
| anonymouse | grub seems to be working | 10:39 |
| anonymouse | lets see it loads or not | 10:39 |
| anonymouse | woohoo! | 10:42 |
| anonymouse | i'm in the desktop! | 10:42 |
| anonymouse | sheep? help me config the wifi | 10:42 |
| TheSheep | !wifi | anonymouse | 10:48 |
| ubotu | anonymouse: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs | 10:48 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: personally I have no experience with wifi | 10:49 |
| anonymouse | hmmm | 10:53 |
| anonymouse | eth0 working trying wifi now | 10:53 |
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| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: i forgot, what OS do u run? | 10:54 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: should I list them all? :) | 10:55 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: most commonly used one? | 10:55 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: xubuntu | 10:55 |
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| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: list em all :) | 10:56 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: pld linux, arch linux, open bsd, solaris, digital unix, windows xp, windows 2000 server, windows 2003 server, dos | 10:57 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: in order of frequency of use | 10:57 |
| anonymouse | thru vmware? | 10:57 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: no, mostly on various servers at work | 10:57 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep:never heard of pld linux | 10:57 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: polish distribution | 10:58 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: by admins for admins, pretty advanced | 10:58 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: polish of what distro? | 10:58 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: polish as in developed in Poland | 10:58 |
| Ben_Cs | ok | 10:58 |
| Ben_Cs | you Polish? | 10:58 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: yes | 10:59 |
| Ben_Cs | ok :) | 10:59 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: don't want the headache of gentoo? | 11:00 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: I tried it, but it seems to be artifically made complicated | 11:01 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: so that people can boast | 11:01 |
| anonymouse | i'm using add/remove applications now....is it apt-get? | 11:01 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: and debian? | 11:01 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: it uses apt-get under the hood, apt-get itself is a commandline tool | 11:01 |
| anonymouse | ok....i guess n00bs like me needs programs like that :P | 11:02 |
| Ben_Cs | anonymouse: synaptic is more advanced that add/remove | 11:02 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: debian's nice, forgot to mention it :) | 11:02 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: synaptic is more powerful | 11:02 |
| Ben_Cs | anonymouse: add/remove is good for finding very comonly used apps and installing them | 11:03 |
| anonymouse | where to get synaptc | 11:03 |
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| Ben_Cs | anonymouse: it's pre-installed | 11:04 |
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| anonymouse | xubuntu uses xfce so i dun need to download anything for kde/gnome, rite? | 11:04 |
| Ben_Cs | anonymouse: u don't need to, but u can use kde/gnome apps if u want to | 11:05 |
| anonymouse | i think all i am missing now is getting my smc wifi card to work | 11:05 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: Is arch a base distro or is it built on another distr? | 11:06 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: it's made from scratch I think | 11:07 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: it's very straightforward and simple | 11:07 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: what's the package binaries format pacman uses? | 11:07 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: tar.gz | 11:08 |
| TheSheep | with some additional information for dependencies, but I don't know the details | 11:09 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: so u don't need repositories for arch? you just download the source and give it to pacman? | 11:09 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: no, there are repositiories, and the packages contain compiled programs | 11:10 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: there is just no special archive format for them | 11:10 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: and the repositories are simple ftp sites | 11:10 |
| Ben_Cs | i see | 11:10 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: Arch's motto is "don't make it more complicated than it is" | 11:11 |
| TheSheep | or something to that effect | 11:11 |
| anonymouse | problem | 11:11 |
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| TheSheep | anonymouse: do tell | 11:11 |
| anonymouse | i think i got the card to work, all the leds are on and bright | 11:12 |
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| anonymouse | but where do i go if i want it to search for hot spots? | 11:13 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: your university probably has some | 11:13 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: there are also often some in libraries | 11:13 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: and in cafes | 11:14 |
| anonymouse | no i mean the program in xubuntu | 11:14 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: try 'iwlist' or 'iwspy' in termina; | 11:15 |
| TheSheep | l | 11:15 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: I think you can isntall apps like wifiradar or network manager | 11:17 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: taht have gui for this | 11:17 |
| anonymouse | ok i find in synaptics | 11:18 |
| anonymouse | linux programs are small | 11:20 |
| anonymouse | after install...where do i find it? | 11:23 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: I think it should appear in your menu under system | 11:24 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: if not, yuo can select properties in synaptics and see the list of installed files | 11:24 |
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| anonymouse | sorry i am back | 11:27 |
| anonymouse | i dun see anything exra in system | 11:27 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: try just typing the name of the application in the terminal | 11:29 |
| anonymouse | system lockup :( | 11:30 |
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| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: does the: ' sign in command line mean something special? when i have that sign in a file name, and i execute a command with that name, the command doesn't execute and the line jumps to the next with the sight > at beginning of line | 11:33 |
| Ben_Cs | WTF? | 11:33 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: quote | 11:33 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: it gives you a continuation of previous line | 11:33 |
| Ben_Cs | so if my ipod's name has the sign ' i can't unmount it? | 11:34 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: escape that ' with \ | 11:34 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: write \' | 11:34 |
| Ben_Cs | ok | 11:34 |
| Ben_Cs | great | 11:35 |
| Ben_Cs | thanks | 11:35 |
| Ben_Cs | one amarok problem solved then :) | 11:35 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: if you press tab it hsould complete the file name | 11:35 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: what's the difference between eject and umount BTW? | 11:36 |
| anonymouse | i was at network i select roaming mode | 11:36 |
| anonymouse | then it locked up | 11:36 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: eject opens the tray | 11:36 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: but with ipod? | 11:36 |
| anonymouse | roaming mode is enabled now but there is no tick next to its icon unlike my wired connection (ethernet) | 11:37 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: :P | 11:37 |
| anonymouse | i still dun get any prompts to choose a wireless network | 11:37 |
| TheSheep | anonymouse: I really don't know, have you read the wifi docs? | 11:38 |
| anonymouse | i'm a noob dun understand most of it | 11:38 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: I guess the ipod doesn't have a try... | 11:38 |
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| TheSheep | :\ | 11:39 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: ok, tried umounting the ipod. doesn't do a complete unmount. device is still signaling busy. eject does the trick though. conclusion: use eject instead of umount when possible. right? | 11:39 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: eject is a convenience script that does unmount and then some additional things depending on the device | 11:40 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: I guess it's a good idea to use eject | 11:40 |
| Ben_Cs | yup | 11:41 |
| Ben_Cs | agree | 11:41 |
| Ben_Cs | :) | 11:41 |
| anonymouse | :-X | 11:42 |
| Ben_Cs | gksu is graphical root login right? | 11:43 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: not login, it runs program as root, just like usdo | 11:43 |
| TheSheep | duso | 11:43 |
| TheSheep | sudo | 11:43 |
| TheSheep | argh | 11:43 |
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| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: so what's the difference between sudo and gksu? | 11:44 |
| TheSheep | gksu has graphical password prompt and knows how to set some X-related variables so thet graphical programs work fine | 11:45 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: the question is, that if in a gui prog i write a command to be executed that has "sudo", it gets sruck cause it expects password from comandline right? si i thought gksu will make it want the password from gui = a gui password prompt | 11:46 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: yes | 11:46 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: well when i add in amarok post disconnection command: gksu eject /media/BENJAMIN\'S the ipod isn't ejected (i don't get password prompt). only command in CLI sudo eject /media/BENJAMIN\'S does the job. what's wrong then? | 11:50 |
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| Ben_Cs | btw writing in CLI: gksu eject /media/BENJAMIN\'S doesn't prompt for password aswell and again the ipod isn't ejected | 11:52 |
| Ben_Cs | any ideas? | 11:52 |
| TheSheep | no | 11:53 |
| Ben_Cs | can sudo work from gui app? | 11:53 |
| Ben_Cs | weird! sudo did work from there | 11:54 |
| Ben_Cs | how come it doesn't need password.... | 11:54 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: that's because it didn't have to ask for password | 11:54 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: alas, if you just include your ipod in fstab and add 'user' or 'users' to the options, any user can mount and unmount it | 11:55 |
| Ben_Cs | someone told me to do: gpasswd -a [your username] plugdev | 11:57 |
| Ben_Cs | brb | 11:57 |
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| Ben_Cs | am back | 11:58 |
| Ben_Cs | so do u think that command lets me eject devices without sudo? | 11:58 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Sheep: well that command didn't help. still seems sudo does the trick | 12:00 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: I think that ubuntu doesn't use plugdev | 12:00 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: btw, if the device was mounted with gui, you should be able to unmount it as user | 12:00 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: it was mounted automatically | 12:01 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: then you should be able to unmount it as user | 12:01 |
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| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: when i try without sudo, i get failure - not root | 12:02 |
| Ben_Cs | nevermind as long as sudo does the job from amarok | 12:03 |
| TheSheep | using sudo for non-root task is ugly | 12:03 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: but when i dont i getumount: /media/BENJAMIN'S is not in the fstab (and you are not root) | 12:04 |
| Ben_Cs | eject: unmount of `/media/BENJAMIN'S' failed | 12:04 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: that's because it use pmount | 12:04 |
| Ben_Cs | what's pmount? | 12:05 |
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| TheSheep | pmount - mount arbitrary hotpluggable devices as normal user | 12:05 |
| TheSheep | there is also pumount | 12:05 |
| Ben_Cs | but i need eject | 12:06 |
| Ben_Cs | The program 'pmount' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: | 12:06 |
| Ben_Cs | sudo apt-get install pmount | 12:06 |
| Ben_Cs | so it doesn't use pmount after all | 12:06 |
| TheSheep | then it mounts it using hal | 12:08 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: did you see thunar's volume manager? | 12:09 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: I think it does automatically what you are trying to script | 12:09 |
| Ben_Cs | lemme check | 12:09 |
| TheSheep | thunar -> edit -> prefernces -> advanced | 12:09 |
| anonymouse | it isn't working :( | 12:10 |
| Ben_Cs | enable volume managment is checked | 12:10 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: you can configure it to run specified program when you connect your ipod | 12:11 |
| Ben_Cs | nope, right click and unmount doesn't do the trick | 12:11 |
| Ben_Cs | program like what? | 12:11 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: music player, maybe? | 12:12 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: ok but that isn't very important | 12:12 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: right click and unmount won't work if you mounted it manually as root | 12:12 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: i didn't. it mounted automatically | 12:13 |
| TheSheep | !info gtkpod | 12:14 |
| ubotu | gtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.8-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 528 kB, installed size 2220 kB | 12:14 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: nevermind. the job gets done, it's what important | 12:14 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: yeh it's installed | 12:15 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: but it nly works because you have enterd you password in sudo before | 12:15 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: could be | 12:15 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: because sudo only asks for passowrd once in a while | 12:15 |
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| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: but everything else doen't do the job | 12:15 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: you can add the ipod to your fstab with 'users' option | 12:16 |
| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: then it can be mounted/unmounted by users | 12:17 |
| TheSheep | !fstab | 12:17 |
| ubotu | The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions | 12:17 |
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| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: i tought fstab is mounting devices automatically on startup | 12:17 |
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| TheSheep | Ben_Cs: not if you add 'noauto' | 12:18 |
| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: ok. i'm off to eat. then i'll read the manual ubotu refered to. then i'll be back | 12:20 |
| Ben_Cs | thanks | 12:20 |
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| Ben_Cs | TheSheep: still here? | 01:23 |
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| Ben_Cs | Jester45: /dev/disk/by-label/BENJAMIN'S /media/ipod auto noauto,user,rw,sync 0 0 | 01:37 |
| Ben_Cs | doesn't mount the ipod. it's ignored | 01:38 |
| Jester45 | you have noauto | 01:38 |
| Ben_Cs | and ipod is mounted to default place | 01:38 |
| Ben_Cs | Jester45: yes. i don't want ipod mounted on system start | 01:38 |
| Ben_Cs | i want it plug&play | 01:38 |
| Ben_Cs | Jester45: what i try to accomplish, is that ipod is mounted automatically on plugin but will be able to eject it without sudo | 01:41 |
| Ben_Cs | ideas? | 01:41 |
| Jester45 | let it mount via thunar but have a symbloic link from the normal mount place to the want you want | 01:42 |
| Jester45 | that way when it is mounted it will also be at /media/ippd | 01:43 |
| Jester45 | a bit hackish | 01:43 |
| Ben_Cs | Jester45: ok i don't mind it being mounted to /media/BENJAMIN'S but i want to be able to eject it without sudo | 01:44 |
| Jester45 | humm | 01:44 |
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| Jester45 | i say just pull it out but i have to get ready for school im 20 mins late | 01:44 |
| Ben_Cs | Jester45: ok | 01:45 |
| Ben_Cs | thnx | 01:45 |
| Ben_Cs | bye | 01:45 |
| nikolam | hello | 01:45 |
| nikolam | Did anyone manage to make skype work in xubuntu 7.04? | 01:46 |
| Ben_Cs | nikolam: yes | 01:46 |
| nikolam | I found tutorial on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432295 but it doesnt work for me :( | 01:46 |
| Ben_Cs | nikolam: do you have sound? | 01:47 |
| Jester45 | lol i need to leave in 10 mins and girl friend is coming over then and i still havent even taken a shower :) procrasition + irc = time killer | 01:47 |
| nikolam | Just to say: on 64-bit xubuntu 7.04 | 01:47 |
| nikolam | I have:Floating point exception (core dumped) | 01:47 |
| Ben_Cs | Jester45: indeed :) | 01:48 |
| Ben_Cs | nikolam: don't know about 64 bit. i had several problems with 64bit version so i reinstalled 32bit version of xubuntu. | 01:49 |
| nikolam | it is reely sad about 64 bit | 01:49 |
| Ben_Cs | nikolam: i think 64bit isn't mature enough yet. i recommend you to work with 32bit. | 01:49 |
| nikolam | And the main problems are non-free add-ons and programs.. wmv, flash, skype.. | 01:49 |
| Ben_Cs | but if u up to it you can blow yourhead off with looking for a 64bit solution:) | 01:50 |
| nikolam | Yes i am forsing myself to go back to 32 bit byt why *oh* why I get 64bit processor then.. | 01:50 |
| Ben_Cs | nikolam: it's a good idea - 64bit cpu. pitty the programmers didn't work enough on compatible apps | 01:52 |
| Ben_Cs | BRB | 01:52 |
| nikolam | But hey, most thing work fine here on my 64 bit xubuntu | 01:52 |
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| nikolam | only *some* needs some tweaking | 01:53 |
| nikolam | I managed to make skype 32 bit work on 7.10 test installation on 64 bit bit I reinstalled | 01:53 |
| nikolam | Beacouse I need stabile 7.04 | 01:54 |
| Ben_Cs | i see | 01:55 |
| nikolam | It seems to me that even static precompiled skype needs some newer libraries than 7.04. I will investigate | 02:00 |
| Ben_Cs | nikolam: u mean the 64bit version right? | 02:00 |
| nikolam | Yes | 02:01 |
| Ben_Cs | nikolam: if u find a solution be sure to tell. | 02:04 |
| nikolam | I promise | 02:04 |
| Ben_Cs | :) | 02:05 |
| nikolam | Ben_Cs: Try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432295 | 02:11 |
| nikolam | But in my case, it didnt work | 02:12 |
| Ben_Cs | nikolam: it's just an installation guide. i thought u did install skype, and that it just wont work | 02:14 |
| nikolam | It was before when I was testing gutsy tribe 3 or so. i managed to make it work Somehow | 02:15 |
| Ben_Cs | ok | 02:19 |
| Ben_Cs | nikolam: is this right: /dev/sdb /media/ipod auto noauto,user,rw,sync 0 0 ??? | 02:31 |
| Ben_Cs | oos | 02:31 |
| Ben_Cs | sorry | 02:31 |
| Ben_Cs | wrong room | 02:31 |
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| askatasuna | hello i have tried to update system from 6.06 to 6.10 with update manager but the system return an error | 02:43 |
| Ben_Cs | askatasuna: what's the error? | 02:44 |
| askatasuna | Ben_Cs: one moment..... | 02:46 |
| askatasuna | Ben_Cs: error during update calculation | 02:49 |
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| Ben_Cs | askatasuna: that's it? | 02:51 |
| askatasuna | Ben_Cs: yes is a update-manager error | 02:52 |
| starvinmarvin | If I'm adding hard drives that will be used for additional storage, do I format as Logical or Primary? | 02:52 |
| Ben_Cs | askatasuna: what if u go into synaptic and click "mark all upgrades"? | 02:53 |
| askatasuna | Ben_Cs: just one moment | 02:54 |
| askatasuna | Ben_Cs: packages are upgraded at the last version | 02:55 |
| Ben_Cs | sudo apt-get upgrade | 02:56 |
| Ben_Cs | try it | 02:56 |
| Ben_Cs | or even better: | 02:59 |
| Ben_Cs | sudo apt-get update | 02:59 |
| Ben_Cs | and then | 02:59 |
| Ben_Cs | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 02:59 |
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| askatasuna_ | Ben_Cs: sorry but the packages are already upgraded i have done that before update manager | 03:01 |
| Ben_Cs | ok, but sudo apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades the distro (unless you didn't enable the repositories. did you?) | 03:02 |
| askatasuna | Ben_Cs: apt-get dist-upgrade say to me 0 to upgrade | 03:02 |
| Ben_Cs | ok | 03:03 |
| Ben_Cs | try this: open synaptic | 03:03 |
| Ben_Cs | there: settings->repositories | 03:03 |
| Ben_Cs | you there? | 03:03 |
| askatasuna | yes | 03:03 |
| Ben_Cs | ok. now: | 03:04 |
| Ben_Cs | in "ubuntu software" check eveything exsept source | 03:04 |
| Ben_Cs | in "updates" tab check the first two | 03:05 |
| Ben_Cs | then click "close" and click the button reload | 03:05 |
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| Ben_Cs | then try the coomand line: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 03:06 |
| Ben_Cs | anything new? | 03:06 |
| askatasuna | i'm downloading new packages of then repository | 03:06 |
| Ben_Cs | ok | 03:07 |
| Ben_Cs | you mean, "reload"? | 03:08 |
| Ben_Cs | or already "upgrade"? | 03:08 |
| askatasuna | now reload is ended | 03:09 |
| askatasuna | now i'm going to click upgrde (right?) | 03:09 |
| Ben_Cs | ok. do the "upgrade command | 03:09 |
| Ben_Cs | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 03:09 |
| Ben_Cs | if u click "upgarde" it'll only upgrade packages in current version of ubuntu. | 03:10 |
| Ben_Cs | i understand you want to upgarde the ubuntu version right? | 03:10 |
| askatasuna | yes from 6.06 to 6.10 | 03:11 |
| Ben_Cs | hmmm. i think it'll upgrade to 7.04 | 03:11 |
| Ben_Cs | y u want 6.10? | 03:11 |
| askatasuna | Ben_Cs: can i pass from 6.06 to 7.04? | 03:12 |
| askatasuna | Ben_Cs: if yes i'd like it | 03:12 |
| Ben_Cs | don't think there's a problem about it | 03:12 |
| Ben_Cs | just type in command line: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 03:13 |
| askatasuna | Ben_Cs: ok | 03:13 |
| askatasuna | Ben_Cs: now update-manager is going well | 03:13 |
| askatasuna | Ben_Cs: thank you for your help | 03:13 |
| Ben_Cs | yes | 03:13 |
| Ben_Cs | no problem | 03:13 |
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| Janschu | I just upgraded my system to feisty. | 04:33 |
| Janschu | Grub is not finding the new kernel | 04:33 |
| Ben_Cs | Janschu: weird. when i did. grup was updated | 04:34 |
| Janschu | I thought I would try reinstalling the kernel, but synaptic keeps showing the kernel packages as not authenticated | 04:34 |
| Janschu | I have reloaded several times already | 04:35 |
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| Janschu | the strange thing is, the kernels are sitting right there in /boot/ | 04:44 |
| Janschu | but when I try to boot from the new kernels, I just get a blank screen with a flashing prompt | 04:45 |
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| Ben_Cs | Janschu: did the upgrade go smooth? | 04:51 |
| Janschu | yes | 04:52 |
| Janschu | everything went fine, until it was time to reboot. Then I found that I could only boot the old kernel | 04:52 |
| Ben_Cs | Janschu: well you better wait for someone more experienced than me | 04:53 |
| Janschu | ok, thanks | 04:53 |
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| The-Kernel | hey all how goes it? | 05:10 |
| Ben_Cs | The-Kernel: fine tnx | 05:11 |
| Ben_Cs | you? | 05:11 |
| Ben_Cs | how's school? | 05:11 |
| The-Kernel | ah, new, I've never been to school my whole life, and then one day I'm just...doing it! | 05:14 |
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| triptec | any image viewer too recommend?? | 06:45 |
| TheSheep | triptec: for what? | 06:46 |
| TheSheep | triptec: I use mirage for quick preview and comix for reading scanned comic books | 06:47 |
| triptec | yeah something similar to acdsee but for linux... | 06:47 |
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| Ramla | i've been using gqview. rather light. | 06:49 |
| TheSheep | triptec: gtksee is based on the old acdsee interface, but it's weird for me :/ | 06:50 |
| triptec | thx, I'll check it out | 06:52 |
| The-Kernel | hello zoredache | 06:52 |
| Janschu | I just did an update to feisty. Now xubuntu will only boot when I choose the original kernel. If I leave it alone or try to boot from one of the newer kernels, I get a blank screen and a flashing prompt | 06:54 |
| The-Kernel | Janschu: its a kernel panic | 06:54 |
| Janschu | ok | 06:54 |
| Janschu | what can I do? | 06:55 |
| The-Kernel | nothing you can do about it | 06:55 |
| The-Kernel | back up everything, download feisty, install new | 06:55 |
| zoredache | The-Kernel: wth? | 06:55 |
| The-Kernel | zoredache: you have another opinon? | 06:56 |
| The-Kernel | I mean Janschu you can always use that old kernel | 06:56 |
| Janschu | true | 06:56 |
| The-Kernel | but I'm not sure if that's actually the older version of the OS | 06:57 |
| The-Kernel | I say reformat and reinstall | 06:57 |
| The-Kernel | I've always done it that way | 06:57 |
| DuClare | that's the windows way | 06:57 |
| zoredache | how can you know it is a kernel panic from such limited information? how can you suggest a format/reinstall without taking at least a little time to choose the less destructive options? | 06:58 |
| zoredache | Janschu: when it 'doesn't boot' what do you see on the screen? | 06:58 |
| Janschu | grub sends its little message, at which point I can hit esc to choose a kernel. If I pick anything other then the oldest kernel, I get a blank screen and a flashing prompt at the upper left hand corner of the screen | 07:00 |
| The-Kernel | zoredache: it was the basic symptoms of a kernel panic | 07:00 |
| The-Kernel | I see it all the time | 07:00 |
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| The-Kernel | "Blamk Screen, Flashing Prompt" usually == kernel panic, plus he said he jsut upgraded which is another clue | 07:03 |
| caribou_ | is there a way to customize the xfce panel ? | 07:04 |
| The-Kernel | Janschu: go into the old kernel and pastebin what /boot/grub/menu.lst looks like | 07:04 |
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| Janschu | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36588/ | 07:07 |
| The-Kernel | Janschu: so which one is your old kernel? | 07:09 |
| The-Kernel | the one that works | 07:09 |
| The-Kernel | 2.6.17-10? | 07:09 |
| Janschu | yes | 07:09 |
| The-Kernel | ok | 07:09 |
| The-Kernel | on the 2.6.20-16 remove the "ro" and "quiet" and then try to boot the kernel, remember to write down whatever the error says | 07:10 |
| Janschu | ok, will do | 07:12 |
| Janschu | I will be right back, I only have the one machine to work with | 07:14 |
| The-Kernel | haha, ok | 07:15 |
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| tech404 | that was fast | 07:19 |
| Janschu | ok, I'm back | 07:19 |
| The-Kernel | ok | 07:19 |
| Janschu | I let it boot without hitting anything, so I suspect it tried to boot the first entry, and it just gave me the same flashing prompt. Should I try explicitely choosing the 20 kernel? | 07:20 |
| The-Kernel | go ahead | 07:21 |
| Janschu | ok, I'll be right back | 07:22 |
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| Janschu | Still nothing | 07:25 |
| The-Kernel | wow | 07:25 |
| The-Kernel | ok, go ahead and try the recovery mode the top one | 07:26 |
| Janschu | will do | 07:26 |
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| triptec | how do I change the "send to" menu? | 07:27 |
| The-Kernel | no idea | 07:28 |
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| Janschu | still nothing. although, I did not remove ro and quiet from the menu.lst this time | 07:29 |
| The-Kernel | you went into the recovery mode for the 20 kernel? | 07:30 |
| Janschu | also, I forgot to mention that I always get the "Starting up ..." message before the screen goes blank | 07:30 |
| Janschu | yes | 07:30 |
| The-Kernel | ok, this is very unsual | 07:30 |
| The-Kernel | kernel panics are usually very "noticable" does the three "Numlock" Scroll lock" and "Caps Lock" lights flash? | 07:31 |
| Janschu | I supose for the time being I can comment out all the new enteries in menu.lst and then give it another go when gutsy comes around | 07:31 |
| Janschu | I am pretty sure that they were not flashing | 07:31 |
| tech404 | this may be fruitless but do you have a copy of memtest? Alternatively I think the live cd's have an option for memtest. | 07:32 |
| Janschu | yes, I do have a spare memtest running about | 07:32 |
| zoredache | just a thought, but has anyone googled for 'blank screen after grub'? | 07:32 |
| The-Kernel | zoredache: yes | 07:32 |
| zoredache | everything I seem seems to suggest a kernel/video card incompatiblitiy | 07:32 |
| tech404 | its unlikely that the other version would work just fine if its hardware but it is possible | 07:33 |
| zoredache | anyway, downloading and booting a livecd with the same kernel should prove/disprove that | 07:33 |
| Janschu | ah, to that I should say that I tried booting the Feisty live cds, both the desktop and the alternate, and both would not boot, though with different messages | 07:34 |
| The-Kernel | . . . | 07:35 |
| Janschu | the desktop gave me a message to try the other CD | 07:35 |
| The-Kernel | Janschu: what graphics card? | 07:35 |
| The-Kernel | what are the "detailed" specs of your system? | 07:36 |
| Janschu | Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400/G450 (rev 04) | 07:36 |
| The-Kernel | well, I say wait till gutsy then | 07:37 |
| The-Kernel | hope that it'll work | 07:37 |
| The-Kernel | I gotaa go now | 07:37 |
| Janschu | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36597/ | 07:37 |
| Janschu | thanks a bunch for your help !! | 07:38 |
| The-Kernel | no problem | 07:38 |
| The-Kernel | oh and just a side note, i don't think its your graphics card/chipset because i have a system like yours that runs feisty fine | 07:38 |
| The-Kernel | alright, bye | 07:39 |
| nikolam | Janschu, I also had trouble on 32bit xubuntu with Matrox G400 on 6.10 | 07:42 |
| nikolam | Then I used 7.04 with Alternate CD and installed and worked fine. | 07:42 |
| nikolam | 6.06 also works fine with G400 | 07:43 |
| Janschu | wierd, by me 6.10 works fine and 7.04 is giving me problems. | 07:43 |
| nikolam | Hmm | 07:43 |
| nikolam | i used Alternat einstall CD | 07:43 |
| Janschu | I did not try 6.06, but 5.10 booted fine from the live CD | 07:43 |
| nikolam | alternate=no live cd, just installation | 07:44 |
| nikolam | Also, 2.6.20-15 works better then 2.6.20-16.. | 07:45 |
| Janschu | I tried the Ubuntu 7.04 alternate, I suppose I could give the xubunte 7.04 a try | 07:45 |
| nikolam | Yes, I installed and use Xubuntu alternate 7.04 om my old machine | 07:45 |
| nikolam | P3-733 384Mb, 17GB hdd | 07:45 |
| nikolam | And it worked on G400 for months | 07:46 |
| Janschu | ok, thanks | 07:47 |
| Janschu | and thanks to everyone who chimed in ! (and to those who put up with me :) | 07:49 |
| Janschu | bye | 07:49 |
| triptec | is is possible to NOT give for example mv all resources, I can't so anything while moving files | 08:00 |
| zoredache | triptec: can you rephase that... I don't understand | 08:02 |
| triptec | when I use the "mv" command and move just 20-30 gb it takes all system resources | 08:03 |
| triptec | I can use things already in RAM but to start a program takes ages.. | 08:04 |
| triptec | zoredache: better? | 08:09 |
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| darrend | why would tracker appear to be permanently indexing my disk? It reports having indexed 3.6 million files so far.. there are only 115k in my entire home directory. | 09:24 |
| Merchelo | tracker as in ? | 09:27 |
| cheeseboy | whats a torrent client for linux with encryption? | 09:28 |
| Merchelo | azereus | 09:28 |
| hyper__ch | rtorrent | 09:31 |
| hyper__ch | ktorrent | 09:32 |
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| SuprUsr | Okay... So. | 09:51 |
| SuprUsr | I have wireless issues... (Still/again) | 09:51 |
| SuprUsr | I have my router set up and working, I have WEP set up on both ends, but I can't seem to get a connection between router and laptop. | 09:56 |
| SuprUsr | It's seems like my card isn't detecting the signal from the router. | 09:57 |
| SuprUsr | Or, something equally strange and annoying. | 09:57 |
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| azi_ | some friend of mine installed xubuntu and berly | 10:11 |
| azi_ | now, xftaskbar and xfwm are not run at login | 10:11 |
| azi_ | and trying to run xfwm4 says another WM is already runing | 10:11 |
| azi_ | anyone experienced that before? | 10:11 |
| hyper__ch | SuprUsr: how about testing it with no encryption? | 10:12 |
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| darrend | Merchelo: tracker is a desktop search tool like beagle | 10:19 |
| Merchelo | ok | 10:19 |
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| Ben_Cs | hello | 11:10 |
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| cheeseboy | hi | 11:33 |
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| cheeseboy | my wine cfg got messed up how do i restore to deault? | 11:34 |
| steve___ | how does one find out a kernel module version from a newer kernel not installed? I want to see if 2.6.22 in gutsy has newer kernel modules than the kernel i'm presently using | 11:35 |
| zoredache | I suspect that you would need to look in the changelogs on kernel.org to see if there where any changes | 11:41 |
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| linux_stu | hello | 11:46 |
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| linux_stu | does ubuntu's package management system provide a method in which one can build the package from source? | 11:46 |
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| Kr4t05 | Okay... Who wants to help me with wireless issues? | 12:11 |
| Kr4t05 | I have my router set up, I have my card set up. | 12:11 |
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| Kr4t05 | But, lo and behold, the two devices will not talk to one another | 12:11 |
| triptec | is there any program that i can monitor the current speed of my eth??? | 12:12 |
| triptec | network monitor just have the bars... | 12:12 |
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| steve___ | triptec - iptraf will do it | 12:20 |
| tommerz | hey, does anyone know if there's an iso for xubuntu powerpc, or do you have to install via alternate and then apt-get? | 12:20 |
| steve___ | kr4t05 - what do you get when you type 'iwconfig' | 12:20 |
| Kr4t05 | steve___: One second. | 12:20 |
| Kr4t05 | I'm re-installing ndiswrapper and some thinks. | 12:21 |
| triptec | steve___: thx | 12:21 |
| steve___ | kr4t05 - do you have the broadcom chipset? | 12:22 |
| Kr4t05 | steve___: RTL8180L | 12:23 |
| steve___ | isn't that supported natively? | 12:25 |
| Kr4t05 | steve___: It is, but it doesn't support WPA... Do I really need WPA, though? I live in a fairly rural area, so I think WEP would be fine for my needs. | 12:25 |
| steve___ | well if you don't go with WPA than do not bother with WEP. I'm not familar with the RTL8180 | 12:26 |
| steve___ | I would suggest WPA though. Unless you normally go to the grocery store without pants on :) | 12:27 |
| Kr4t05 | Hrm... | 12:28 |
| Kr4t05 | Since you put it that way/ | 12:29 |
| Kr4t05 | Let me fix up some stuff, then. | 12:30 |
| steve___ | i'd first get the card up and pass traffic without any encryption | 12:31 |
| Kr4t05 | Alright... the driver is listed in my ndisgtk, but it says "Hardware present: No" | 12:32 |
| Kr4t05 | Should that bother me, or should I ignore it? | 12:33 |
| Kr4t05 | Because, the card is inserted into the PCMCIA slot. | 12:33 |
| steve___ | in a terminal, what do you get from a "lspci |grep -i ether" | 12:34 |
| Kr4t05 | Realtek Semi conducter Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b | 12:35 |
| steve___ | The hardware is present :) | 12:36 |
| Kr4t05 | Yeah, I figured. :P | 12:36 |
| steve___ | i'm not familiar with ndisgtk | 12:36 |
| Kr4t05 | Wait... Hrm... | 12:37 |
| steve___ | i'm assuming it's saying it doesn't see the driver? | 12:37 |
| Kr4t05 | I just restarted networking and wlanO: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device. | 12:37 |
| Kr4t05 | One second. | 12:38 |
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| Kr4t05 | steve___: Okay... Card is working, now. :) | 12:49 |
| steve___ | nice... now you just have to pull your pants up :) | 12:51 |
| Kr4t05 | steve___: Well, I need to make the connection. | 12:54 |
| Kr4t05 | So... The card is detected and installed. | 12:56 |
| Kr4t05 | Let's use iwconfig. | 12:56 |
| Kr4t05 | steve___: Okay... So, what exactly am I looking for? | 01:01 |
| steve___ | what does it say? | 01:02 |
| Kr4t05 | A good deal. | 01:02 |
| steve___ | ESSID and access point? | 01:02 |
| Kr4t05 | ESSID:off/any | 01:02 |
| Kr4t05 | Access Point: Not-Associated | 01:03 |
| steve___ | *gasp* | 01:03 |
| steve___ | :) | 01:03 |
| Kr4t05 | steve___: What was that all about? | 01:03 |
| steve___ | do you know what the essid of your router is set to? | 01:03 |
| Kr4t05 | One moment, I can check. | 01:03 |
| Kr4t05 | Ok, now I do. | 01:04 |
| steve___ | ok soiwconfig eth? essid NAME | 01:05 |
| steve___ | 'iwconfig eth? essid NAME' | 01:05 |
| steve___ | where eth? is the name of your interface and NAME is the essid | 01:05 |
| Kr4t05 | Shouldn't that be wlan? | 01:06 |
| steve___ | yeah if that's it's called | 01:06 |
| Kr4t05 | Okay. | 01:06 |
| Kr4t05 | No errors. | 01:06 |
| steve___ | iwconfig | 01:07 |
| steve___ | do you have connection to the AP now? | 01:07 |
| Kr4t05 | Nope... | 01:07 |
| steve___ | is there a value beside SSID and access point? | 01:07 |
| steve___ | ESSID | 01:07 |
| Kr4t05 | Nope. | 01:07 |
| Kr4t05 | Zip. Zilch. Nada. | 01:08 |
| steve___ | do you have root permissions? | 01:08 |
| Kr4t05 | sudo | 01:08 |
| steve___ | yeah | 01:08 |
| steve___ | did you use sudo? | 01:08 |
| Kr4t05 | Yep | 01:08 |
| steve___ | does your AP have any encryption settings turn on (checked)? | 01:09 |
| Kr4t05 | Oh, yeah. | 01:09 |
| steve___ | *gasp* | 01:09 |
| steve___ | :) | 01:09 |
| Kr4t05 | WEP hex | 01:10 |
| steve___ | step one, pull down your.. err. You know what i mean :) | 01:10 |
| steve___ | turn off all encryption | 01:10 |
| Kr4t05 | Security Disabled. | 01:10 |
| steve___ | ok up arrow and try again | 01:10 |
| Kr4t05 | Done and done. | 01:10 |
| steve___ | iwconfig? | 01:11 |
| steve___ | connection? | 01:11 |
| Kr4t05 | Still nothing. :/ | 01:11 |
| steve___ | balls | 01:11 |
| Kr4t05 | Indeed. | 01:11 |
| steve___ | up arrow and change the essid_name to 'on' | 01:11 |
| steve___ | did you reboot/reset the AP after you saved the settings? | 01:12 |
| Kr4t05 | steve___: Nah, I can't. | 01:12 |
| steve___ | or make sure you hit the "apply changes" button | 01:12 |
| Kr4t05 | steve___: Yes, twice. | 01:12 |
| steve___ | oh oh sounds like someone is borrowing a net connection :) | 01:13 |
| Kr4t05 | I doubt it. :P | 01:13 |
| Kr4t05 | But, should i get out snort? | 01:13 |
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