[01:15] right now theres one big fat32 primary partition. installation cancels no matter how i format it [01:15] tried the manual as well as "guided, complete hdd" [01:17] i'm trying to follow this instruction for installing this vpn client to get on my uni's wireless network...but it says the client supports Red Hat 6.2 or compatible libraries w/ glibc version 2.1.1-6 or later, using kernel 2.2.12 or later. Will this work w/ feisty? [01:22] atarinox: what client is it? [01:22] if it is in an RPM or tar.gz package, for Red Hat, it's not likely to work on a deb-based distro like Ubuntu. [01:22] It may be in the repos though, or you could build from source. [01:24] cellofellow: think it's just called vpnclient [01:24] is it something your school made for themselves? [01:24] and it's not an rpm...yeah i think it has some config files already built in maybe? [01:25] the file is vpnclient-linux-4.8.00.0490-k9.tar.gz === triptec [n=triptec@85.8.5.107.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:27] atarinox: just try it. Extract it into /opt/ or /usr/local or just your home dir and see if it works. [01:27] is there anywon who knows how to make thunar NOT make shortcuts to fakeraided disks on desktop and in thunar????? [01:27] ummmmm [01:29] anyone?? [01:30] triptec: I don't know. [01:31] ...=( === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #xubuntu === cellofellow [n=josh@69-71-160-212.mammothnetworks.com] has joined #xubuntu === s|k_ [n=bjorn@g2spf.jeeves.ask.info] has joined #xubuntu === bigfuzzyjesus [n=bigfuzzy@unaffiliated/bigfuzzyjesus] has joined #xubuntu === dawiz [n=dawiz@ip72-222-148-80.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:58] can anyone help with ndiswrapper? [01:58] i keep getting invalid driver [01:59] sorry [02:03] is there anyway to move windows between screen, now it's only the mouse that is able to do that [02:03] anybody? [02:03] screens* [02:15] can anyone help with ndiswrapper? === atarinox [n=atarinox@Wailoo.dltpub.psu.edu] has joined #xubuntu === starvinmarvin [i=12341234@ip72-196-200-140.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:36] Not ten minutes ago I updated xubuntu. I rebooted and am stuck in grub. What have I done now? === solverix [n=solverix@89-24-4-96.4ginternet.cz] has joined #xubuntu === michaelpo [n=presario@60.51.16.93] has joined #xubuntu [02:44] starvinmarvin, what does grub say ? [02:47] hold on, I rebooted...I will soon forward grub's message to you. I think he's pissed. [02:48] grub is pissed? its a she [02:48] Jester45: "Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists the possible completions of a device/filename. [02:49] ... thats a discription on the grub commandline [02:49] Jester45: That's all it tells me. Unless I type commands. What do you mean by what does it say? [02:49] so what does it do as its boots [02:50] says loading then that [02:50] maybe your missing your grub config [02:50] Jester45: Yeah I think so. commands like geometry(hd_ don't result in the available hard disks. [02:52] Jester45: Prior to reboot, I was messing around with two hard drives I have attached via a PCI slot. I'm wondering if the system is trying to boot off of them [02:52] Jester45: grub says "loading, please wait..." then after a second flashes to the message I provided earlier. [02:52] ok what disc was grub on and the os? [02:52] i think it cant fine the disk [02:52] Jester45: on the main HD from IDE1 [02:53] Jester45: the disks I was messin were on a PCI card...not related to IDE [02:53] and it has been there and was working from there and is it still there? [02:53] Jester45: if you're asking about the IDE1 hd, then yes. [02:54] i think i may just pull the pci card and see what happens. [02:54] try that [02:55] Jester45: Hold on to your butts. [02:56] Jester45: no luck. [02:56] Jester45: Is there some sort of recovery mode from the install disk? === shiznix [i=legends@gentoo/user/shiznix] has joined #xubuntu [02:57] i dont think [02:57] the live cd would be [02:57] thats what i noramly use to recover [02:58] Jester45: I wonder what happened. Could it have been the update? [02:58] what did you update [02:58] Jester45: everything. [02:59] like edgy to feisty? [02:59] Jester45: I just clicked update. Boom. Restart. pfft. Then I met Mr. Grub. [02:59] Jester45: Who by the way, isn't very polite. [02:59] so... was it an upgrade from one version like edgy to feisty or just a few programs [03:00] Jester45: I'm going to guess edgy. I briefly saw where it was coming from and I read edgy and security updates....don't quite know what that amounts to though. [03:01] Jester45: Wish I would have paid more attention. Hindsight will get you every time. === laly_ [n=ssssssss@190.40.70.156] has joined #xubuntu [03:02] well im not sure if the gui tools will just upgrade to a new version i think they ask you. meaning it doesnt look like a normal upgrade because a lot of people want to keep their version [03:02] Jester45: I take that back, if edgy wasn't updated in the last week, then it wasn't that. Must have been a few progs. Cause I updated about a week ago without incident. [03:02] was it a quick download [03:02] yep [03:02] a full upgrade is 300mb or more [03:03] Jester45: Ok, so progs it is. Where does that take us? [03:03] run uname -r [03:03] o [03:03] yea you cant :) [03:04] brb xchat upgrade [03:04] Jester45: I feel a reinstal coming. === Jester45 [n=Jester45@75-121-93-228.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:05] Jester45: So should I just re-install? [03:05] do you have a live cd? [03:07] Jester45: Just inserted the xubuntu cd I used for install...not sure if it has a live version on it. === michaelpo [n=presario@60.51.16.93] has left #xubuntu [] [03:08] if it boots into a desktop its live cd if not its not [03:10] Jester45: Well it's doing something, so we'll see. What do you have in store when I get to the live cd? [03:11] can anyone help with a build error? [03:11] make: *** [all] error 2 [03:12] Jester45: Not sure if you can help dawiz, but if you can't i'm sitting at the desktop live now. [03:12] ? [03:14] dawiz: things move rather slow around here. You kinda have to just put your question in and wait a while. may be 2 seconds may be more. if your questionmark was for me...then I was just being nice and letting jester45 help you if he could (he/she) was helping me prior to your question. [03:14] ok [03:14] yeah so far its been an all day wait [03:14] Not too sure why there are so many people in the room and not responding. [03:15] But a few are usually around that really know their stuff. TheSheep for example. Don't know where that one is though. [03:16] ive been having problems with ndiswrapper [03:16] i think im gonna try madwifi [03:16] i tried an older version of ndiswrapper [03:16] still wont build [03:17] yeah, since I just learned what grub was tonight, i'm pretty sure I can't help. [03:17] although ndiswrapper -l returns invalid driver [03:17] heh [03:18] what are you building anyway? [03:18] ndiswrapper [03:18] Jester45: did you go make nachos? Where'd ya go? [03:19] Ahh I see. [03:19] heh [03:19] madwifi doesnt do usb adapters [03:19] man [03:19] And I take it your wifi device is usb [03:19] just one thing after another [03:19] yep [03:19] wusb54gv2 [03:20] linksys [03:20] So being out of the linux circuit, why all the trouble? isn't there a plug'n play driver set? [03:20] why the need to build === laly_ [n=ssssssss@190.40.70.156] has left #xubuntu [] [03:23] because microsoft has a strangled hold on hardware comp[atibility [03:23] I know I can't help you with your prob, but maybe you can help me w/ mine. === Kr4t05 [n=andrew@dsl-206-251-5-110.dsl0.crls.pa.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:23] whats wrong? [03:24] Something happened to my install. I'm continually sent to grub. I'm successfully booted into the live CD, but I don't know what to do from here to fix/figure out the problem [03:24] xubuntu was working fine until i updated and rebooted. couldn't get back into the OS [03:25] does it give you an error? [03:25] so now i'm looking at the device.map file, but i don't quite know what to do with it [03:25] nope, "loading, please wait..." [03:25] then I go to the command prompt [03:25] from grub? [03:25] right [03:26] u try reinstall? [03:26] As in the action or command? [03:26] action [03:26] no, i was worried about data loss [03:26] ic [03:26] im not real well versed in grub [03:27] prolly a grub issue [03:27] wont boot the os [03:27] it's a media sever....or will be when it's done. So it has some media on the file system. i'd hate to lose that. [03:27] maybe improper installation [03:27] you sure the drive isnt bad? [03:27] starvinmarvin: Try using gparted to resize your root partition, and make a backup partition. Copy the files over that you want to keep, and then reinstall, making sure not to overwrite the backup partition. [03:28] yeah that was next suggestion [03:28] dawiz: Sorry for stealing. ;) [03:28] Can I access the files if I slave the hd into a windows box? [03:29] starvinmarvin: If the Windows box has ext3 drivers, sure. [03:29] its all good [03:29] I'm pretty sure this is all a lot more work than I ever anticipated. [03:30] starvinmarvin: It usually is. :P But, with it comes a great learning exprience. [03:30] Yeha that's true. [03:30] That's why I love Linux. It really lets me learn exactly how my computer works. [03:30] Every time I finish a chapter, I feel as if I found 10 more libraries. [03:31] Heh [03:31] Alright, then... I was wonder if someone could help me with my little project, then. [03:31] I have two machines, a desktop and a laptop. [03:32] The desktop (the machine I'm using right now) is connected to the internet via a wired connection to my DSL router. [03:32] I want to use the Wireless adapter connected to the desktop to share my connection with the laptop, which has a wireless card installed as well. [03:33] I've already done some of the work, but I'm a bit lost... [03:34] Now he's really lost. === Kr4t05 [n=andrew@dsl-206-251-5-110.dsl0.crls.pa.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:40] man these channels suck [03:40] why are linux users such ***holes [03:40] why what happened? [03:40] i was in the ndiswrapper room [03:40] lol [03:41] no one would help me [03:41] the bot said read the wiki [03:41] no shit [03:41] lol [03:41] haha [03:41] i was like why are you here if you dont want to help anyone [03:41] they banned me [03:41] there was one person in the room and he refused to help me [03:41] lol [03:42] They probably didn't know how. [03:42] its the ndiswrapper room [03:42] i told him the channel was a waste of memory [03:42] and this is the xubuntu room [03:42] lol [03:43] why is their a ndiswrapper room if not to help ppl? [03:44] so far ive founf that the online linux community is a bunch of stuck up geeks [03:44] perhaps the talk about development there [03:44] he said it was for help === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [03:44] wtf [03:44] dawiz: Not all Linux uses. [03:44] users* [03:44] no not all [03:44] its seems the cool ones can never know [03:44] tho [03:45] nice nix users can never help me with my issues [03:45] you realise that your average computer guru completely lacks social skills right? [03:45] it isn't that they can't help you, they just arn't patient enough, or care enough about you to try [03:46] as for me. I refuse to play around with ndiswrapper. I just went the easy way and purchased an adapter that actually is natively supported [03:49] dawiz: What's your problem? [03:49] ok im back [03:49] (With wireless, that is) [03:49] haha [03:50] and i didnt read all the histroy but... dawiz people use their computers and leave the irc client open at the same time === xjkx [n=x@201009107041.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #xubuntu [03:50] how many extended partitions can i have [03:50] While I'm certainly no noob, I do know how to deal with people. [03:50] xjkx: 1 [03:50] 1 [03:50] darn [03:50] :s [03:50] you can can have lots of logical partition within an extended partition [03:51] That was going to be my first right answer. [03:51] we are volunteers and most of the helpers are nerdy so we use computers alot i spend more than 9 hours a day on one so im often doing something else but if i check back every 5 mins and see a question i know i can help if i dont know the answer or dont look then i just stay quite [03:52] i have an extendes already, but i created it too small :S [03:52] extended* [03:52] cant i enlargue it? [03:52] I see, why didn't you just make one big partition and put it all in lvm? [03:53] and starvinmarvin you need to mount the harddrive once in the live cd and then edit the grub confnig [03:53] logical volumes inside a lvm partion can be resized [03:53] zoredache, because its not as redundant or versitile [03:54] not as redundant as what? [03:54] xjkx, you might be able to inlarge... i dont thin ext3 can be and thats what you probly used [03:54] zoredache, as real diffrent partitions === dawiz_ [n=dawiz@ip72-222-148-80.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:56] ext3 can be enlarged... [03:57] but he was talking about an extended partition, not a partition that was ext3 if I understood him correclty [04:03] Hrm... [04:03] I can't figure this out... === dawiz_ is now known as dawiz [04:07] Kr4t05, whats your problem [04:07] Jester45: I'm trying to share my ethernet connection via wireless. [04:08] whats arong kr4? [04:08] oo [04:08] I have the desktop (the "server") all set up, but it doesn't seem like the wireless adapter is actually broadcasting. [04:08] i would say that would need iptables [04:08] I've been following this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/ShareEthernetConnectionThroughWireless [04:09] But, I'm a bit confused by some of it. [04:09] and is the server linux? and can you use the wireless connected (is it supported/functioning) [04:09] Jester45: That's just it... I'm not sure... [04:10] There aren't any other wireless networks in range for me to connect to. [04:10] i cant get ndiswrapper to build for nothing [04:11] And don't even get him started on the ndiswrapper channel. [04:11] ndiswrapper channel is a waste of memory [04:11] On the bright side, I'm booting into Windows XP. [04:11] lol [04:12] :) [04:12] im ready to go back to osX [04:12] Jester45: inside the extended there is a logical which is ext3, but the extendes itself is not formated to anything [04:12] Jester45: Here's a printout of iwconfig on this machine (the desktop): http://pastebin.com/m4cb676a2 [04:13] That seems to be in order... But I'm not sure. [04:13] dawiz, why are you compiling it? [04:13] why not use the deb? [04:16] lol [04:16] im searching for the deb file now [04:16] dawiz: Apt-get? [04:16] its on a box next to me [04:16] no connection to it right now [04:16] Oh, wait... [04:16] Duh. [04:16] Brain fart. [04:16] so everything must dl to this box then burn to cd [04:16] pita [04:16] lol [04:16] ugh [04:17] This is why a flash drive is a Godsend. [04:17] 'yeah [04:17] dont have one tho [04:17] Shame. [04:17] Wow. [04:17] How is that possible? [04:17] Maybe next time you'll pick one up? :P [04:17] the box im workin on is celeron mhz [04:17] 300* [04:17] 48mb ram [04:18] 6 gb hd [04:18] 1GB is only $15 [04:18] no nic [04:18] what are you using it for? [04:18] yeah i dont have one at home [04:18] Jeeze.... [04:18] a box for my friend [04:18] General destkop use? [04:19] dawiz, that box willl not run xubuntu to good unless you cut down on the mem useage [04:20] or if your using it as a cli only system [04:20] a hit by me is to add [04:20] its running fine [04:20] startxfce4 to each users ~/.bashrc [04:21] and then remove gdm [04:21] its just a box to surf the net with [04:21] so to login they have to use text but it ask login: then passoword and then will start xfce [04:21] cuts down at least 15 mb [04:22] yeah [04:22] and its faster [04:22] yeah true [04:23] its not as slow as you would think tho [04:23] as it doesnt have to load gdm (and that includes come gnome) jsut to get X [04:23] right [04:23] o and change the bitdeapth from 24 to 16 [04:23] ill keep those in mind [04:23] cuts 10-20 mb off of x.org's memory [04:23] id like to get it online first tho [04:23] and looks the same [04:24] bitdeapth huh? [04:24] by chance know where a wiki is for it? === ravtux [n=ravtux@unaffiliated/ravtux] has joined #xubuntu [04:24] and a 3rd thing that i like is to listen to music via mpd+sonata [04:24] i like references [04:24] hi === maxamillion [n=adam@166.128.70.44] has joined #xubuntu [04:24] bit depth * [04:24] I just installed xubuntu [04:25] love it! [04:25] but I need some help [04:25] how do I customize the grub to boot to XP? [04:25] like on windows it calles it the color like 8 bit(256 colors) 16bit (low color) 32bit(high color) [04:26] ravtux, i can help you with that if you give me a few minutes to finish what im working on right now [04:26] Jester45: cool [04:26] looks like my ip has been banned from the ndiswrapper website [04:27] hahah [04:27] You really pissed them off huh? [04:27] guy was a dick [04:27] i made to much sense [04:27] assholes === mode/#xubuntu [+o maxamillion] by ChanServ === dawiz was kicked off #xubuntu by maxamillion (that sort of language is not allowed in #xubuntu, you are allowed back if you will clean it up ... thank you) === mode/#xubuntu [-o maxamillion] by maxamillion === dawiz [n=dawiz@ip72-222-148-80.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:28] lol [04:28] Did a bot kick you? [04:29] i think for language [04:29] starvinmarvin: no, i did [04:29] for what? [04:29] dawiz: language [04:29] lol [04:29] i know all these virgin ears [04:29] dawiz: its an ubuntu CoC thing ... not my rules, i just signed up to defend them :) [04:29] !language [04:29] Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. [04:29] !language [04:30] maxamillion, can i get the powers also :) [04:30] huhu hyper_ch [04:30] lol [04:30] Jester45: i can't give them perminantly ... and i dunno about renegade ops running around [04:30] maxamillion, I want to create a botnet to destroy all other botnets, can I? [04:30] renegade... cmon its me [04:30] Jester45: you ready? [04:31] starvinmarvin, not on freenode [04:31] starvinmarvin: you can try, but i think you would be shutdown before it got far [04:31] so ubuntu is about some kind of moral oppression? [04:31] starvinmarvin, chanserv protects it [04:31] sound like jesusbuntu [04:31] lol [04:31] dawiz: yeah .... go on ubuntu.com and either click on code of conduct or search for it [04:31] Yeah, i was just joking. I don't even know how to write a script. [04:31] hmmm [04:32] im thinkin maybe i shouldnt support ubuntu by using it anymore [04:32] never had theser moral issues with slack users [04:32] starvinmarvin, there are pre man ones... all you need is winxp without any service packes or anti-* and go to some pron sites [04:32] dawiz: heh ... i haven't run ubuntu in quite some time .... i've been a debian user for almost a decade, tried xubuntu ... really liked it but got fed up with ubuntu's instabilities so i went back to old faithful [04:32] na, my script kiddie days are over. [04:33] sub7 ftw!!! [04:33] i think its pretty obvious pat isnt a nazi moralistic christian type [04:33] yeah [04:33] matter of fact [04:33] then found openbox and pypanel ... fell in love and haven't touched a traditional desktop environment since (though that will change at my new job :/) [04:33] im gonna install deb now [04:33] it isnt here, its just being nice to others [04:33] i like de's [04:34] nice to others [04:34] lol [04:34] its very rarely ive been treated nice at all in any of these channels [04:35] but i get messed with for language [04:35] dawiz: that's not good :( [04:35] ive tried to help ppl and have helped many before [04:35] dawiz: well, honestly ... i don't mind but i did tag my gpg signature to a document saying i would uphold their CoC inside their channels [04:35] but ppl tell me to buzz oiff [04:36] maybe my issues are over their head and they cant help [04:36] dawiz: its possible [04:36] and rather than bring their ego down a level or too they just ban me [04:36] lol === maxamillion would be the first to admit he doesn't know something [04:36] right on [04:36] only way to learn === Jester45 just says i think in front of it [04:37] there is too much out there to know everything, i think i know a respectable amount ... but i by no means know everything [04:38] is shuttleworth a nazi fundamentalist christian or something? [04:38] Speaking of knowing everytihng. I booted my xp box (flawlessly) and attached my pervious linux hard drive as a slave. I can see the hard drive in the device manager, but not in the file system. [04:39] because xp needs an ext3 driver [04:39] dawiz: no, he just believes in a "family friendly" universe [04:39] how would I go about getting one of them? [04:39] lol [04:39] how is that unfamily like? [04:39] because some ancient christian notion those words are bad [04:39] ? [04:39] tahts a lie within itself [04:39] It's the meaning behind them dawiz [04:40] You didn't use the word to describe them in a manner that you could generally like to be described as, right? [04:40] censorship is wrong [04:40] its unbecoming of what linux stands for [04:40] starvinmarvin, google for ext3 windows driver, it has a weird website like blah.blah.blah.blah.edu or something like that [04:40] i dont care if someone describes me as that [04:40] Jester45: thanks. [04:41] chances are its because thats what my actions are [04:41] dawiz: Yeah, me either. I was just playing devil's advocate [04:41] one of you guys don't happen to know which config file stores the file to application assoications? [04:41] hmmmm [04:41] In the back, all the way to the left. [04:42] back to slack maybe [04:42] Can't miss it. [04:42] 12 is out now [04:42] ubuntu is great cause its less headache [04:42] is it really? [04:42] zoredache: i think it is in ~/.config/Thunar/ somewhere ... but don't quote me on that [04:42] its good once you get to know it [04:42] I haven't even tried it. [04:42] but the community and ppl behind it im really not agreeing with [04:42] maxamillion: I am looking there and not finding anything... [04:43] are you behind the windows community? [04:43] the church of the subgenius may be crazy but at least they wont push ideals on me in their channels [04:43] whats the difference? [04:43] I am trying to get setup something so that when I click on a movie it queues it in vlc and doesn't start a new window playing it [04:43] it's an os not a faction. [04:43] censorship is something bill would do [04:43] well this is a smaller community so less knowledge excluding TheSheep #ubuntu has 1000 people more than here so they know more.... but some thinks are xfce specific [04:43] bill lumberg? [04:43] bill gates [04:44] I know. === xjkx [n=x@201009107041.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #xubuntu [04:44] i havent used windows in over 4 years [04:44] lol [04:44] who is automounting my devices here? what process [04:44] that might be thunar thats my guess [04:44] billy doesnt run ms anymore [04:44] i almost had my disk over by that [04:44] he did in the pre nt kernel days [04:45] over = lost [04:45] what does he run now? [04:45] i'd like to disable it, but i'm not uninstalling thunra [04:45] thunar [04:52] nothing [04:52] that i know of [04:52] his old partner that started MS is running it now [04:52] and killed it after win2k [04:52] at least to me [04:53] you talkinb about bill gates? [04:53] talking~ [04:54] long live Ext2IFS_1_10c.exe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111one!!eleven [04:58] heh ... ok [05:08] hmmm [05:08] time to wipe *ubuntu [05:08] deb seems nice [05:09] as long as the dependency nightmares arent too bad === SuprUsr [n=andrew@dsl-206-251-13-188.dsl0.crls.pa.net] has joined #xubuntu === xjkx [n=ubuntu@201009107041.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #xubuntu [05:13] the i-am-not-sure-what mounts my devices while i am deleting partitions, it fucked me up once i need it to stop :S [05:14] the other time it gave an error on deleting and then said my table was wrong and didnt list, i had to fdisk it and delete the undone partition [05:14] it just mounts while must not [05:15] i am running by the livecd coz i thought it would stop here [05:15] deleting partitions = with gparted [05:15] uh oh I feel some !language wrath coming on. [05:16] why [05:16] because you swore. [05:17] You must have missed the VERY /sacasm interesting debate that was going on earlier about swearing in the channel [05:17] I must be the only sole alive that recalls the ole battle. [05:18] you mean swearing by that i done an abusive statement? [05:19] c`mon, i will learn a new word [05:19] Not sure what the rules are. [05:20] I don't follow rules anyway, just poke fun at them from time to time. [05:20] i cant see me swearing [05:20] even looked up this word in dictionary [05:20] Meaning what? I can see it right there. [05:20] the i-am-not-sure-what ? [05:20] yeah [05:20] lol [05:21] i didnt mean what you think, i really meant what i wrote [05:21] i am trying to figure what it is, that is mounting [05:21] no, several words later [05:21] aaaaaw [05:21] partitions, it f#%#ed [05:21] now i see ?P [05:21] lord [05:21] that took way too long [05:22] i didnt feel like doing, it just came out [05:22] the i-am-not-sure-what mounts my devices while i am deleting partitions, it fucked me up once i need it to stop :S [05:22] there is an un wanted f word [05:22] haha [05:22] sorry about that [05:22] you said it [05:22] but it was good, the bad f word, because i learnt a new word with s [05:22] i didnt "say" anything [05:23] i copied [05:23] copy cat [05:25] i found it, it was thunar and in advance option i can disable device managment or something, thanks for your guess Jester45 [05:28] my tip is that you all should do it if you are partitionning with gparted, remember that and your disk will be fine === Der-Tim_ [n=tim@dehhs50srv0.onic.de] has joined #xubuntu === tuna-fish [n=tuna@tunamasiina.kortex.jyu.fi] has joined #xubuntu === Kr4t05 [n=andrew@dsl-206-251-13-188.dsl0.crls.pa.net] has joined #xubuntu === xjkx [n=ubuntu@201009107041.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #xubuntu [] === The-Kernel [n=thomas@67-150-246-131.oak.mdsg-pacwest.com] has joined #xubuntu [06:18] Wow, compositing in XFCE is some neat stuff. [06:19] But, how about some transparent panels? [06:19] Oh! Wait! They ARE transparent! SWEET! [06:19] Ben_Cs hey' [06:20] Hey [06:20] u got lucky, just woke up :) [06:21] nice, so hows the problem going? [06:22] well, no disconnections yet, as far as i notice === zoredache_ [n=zoredach@pdpc/supporter/active/zoredache] has joined #xubuntu [06:23] maybe it was WinXP that "saved power" by shutting down the ethernet card... [06:23] possibly [06:24] hey did anyone see - * zoredache_ (n=zoredach@pdpc/supporter/active/zoredache) has joined #xubuntu [06:24] * zoredache has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [06:24] or was that just me? [06:24] yeh, saw it [06:24] wow [06:25] zoredache is like a god of computers [06:25] he's a pretty smart guy, always has an answer for your questions [06:25] really [06:25] ? [06:25] yes [06:25] I don't get why he's in here though [06:26] were do u know him from, then? [06:27] he is my former mentor [06:27] in computers that is [06:28] you know him in real life or from the net? [06:28] net [06:29] ok === AlexC [n=AlexC@dragnet2034196235.dragnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [06:35] The-Kernel: what's the main difference between BSD an Linux? (except that BSD is unix and not linux)? [06:36] not much [06:36] different syntax [06:36] different kernel [06:36] some different commands [06:36] it is a bit more powerful the linux [06:36] in its abilities [06:37] but if you don't figure out how to properly utilize it, it won't do you any good, RTFM!!! [06:37] so it's just " unix is better then linux" thingy? [06:37] that's what they say [06:37] not really [06:37] usually people with BSD don [06:37] t call themselves better [06:37] just more powerful [06:38] how's BSD differenet from other versions of unix, ie: solaris? [06:38] BSD is also completely "Made in the USA" [06:39] not too sure, I havn't used Solaris so I would know the differences [06:39] and that's important because...? [06:39] Its something we can call our own [06:39] :P [06:39] sometimes that's all that matters [06:40] i can't deside wether to try freebsd or opensolaris (on virtual machine on xubuntu) ? [06:41] solaris is the best unix isn't it? [06:43] no [06:43] Go with BSD [06:43] its more commonly used [06:43] and then Solaris, both are very good to know [06:44] btw, is there a difference i'll notice, between linux and unix, except for some extra commands in shell? [06:45] yeah [06:45] you will\ [06:46] what's the most commonly used unix for servers? solaris, bsd, something else? === [hans] [n=hans@c-67-189-13-122.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [06:47] <[hans] > Forgive me, I'm a bit new to IRC [06:47] <[hans] > I'm looking for help installing Xubuntu on an old laptop [06:47] <[hans] > I have a few questions === zoredache [n=zoredach@pdpc/supporter/active/zoredache] has joined #xubuntu [06:48] [hans] : don't ask to ask. just ask the questions :) [06:48] <[hans] > (Asked to see if there was actually anybody here ;) ) [06:49] <[hans] > We'd like to install Xubuntu on an old Gateway laptop of a friend's. He's got 128MB of RAM. [06:49] what cpu? [06:49] <[hans] > Celeron [06:49] mhz? [06:50] <[hans] > Not sure. He was "running" XP Pro on it [06:50] [hans] it should work fine, just use the alt cd to install it [06:51] <[hans] > The FAQ says the system needs 128MB to run, !92MB to install, and between 64-128MB once installed [06:51] <[hans] > The "alt cd" as opposed to the desktop cd? [06:52] <[hans] > Got it downloading. What's the difference between the two? [06:53] [hans] :the alt cd installs without gui [06:54] you have to install gui manually later on [06:54] <[hans] > Alright, how do I do that? Do you have a link? [06:55] after you install the alt cd u: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [06:56] The-Kernel: isn't there a normal opensolaris version? i see only developer versions and other solaris based OS on opensolaris site [06:57] <[hans] > ok. I doubt it'll have his wireless drivers installed, but we can patch in. Thanks. [06:58] np [06:59] ? [06:59] [hans] the alt cd installs gui with it, there should be no problem there [07:04] The-Kernel: thought the alt cd is more like the server cd [07:04] no [07:05] it just installs it via CLI and not a live cd [07:05] it has everything else needed [07:07] i see [07:08] The-Kernel: still wondering wether is should waste my time on learning bsd, opensolaris, or will Gentoo be more usefull for me? [07:09] Why are you learning them? [07:11] The-Kernel: hoping to be sysadmin some day [07:11] so gotta be familiar with heavy unix/linux distros [07:12] In this order, BSD. Gentoo, Solaris [07:13] <[hans] > The-Kernel: Thanks :) [07:14] you saying lots of servers run bsd? [07:14] The-Kernel: what distro do u recommend? freebsd, openbsd etc...? [07:15] FreeBSD [07:16] Benny, do you plan on going to college? Or are you going to college? or did you go to college? [07:16] The-Kernel: i'm in college. going to 2'nd year [07:17] in college i have centos [07:17] so a Community College? [07:17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_%28operating_system%29 [07:19] what kind of computer classes do they offer [07:20] The-Kernel: don't quite get your question. can u refraze? === dawiz [n=dawiz@ip72-222-148-80.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #xubuntu ["Konversation] [07:22] The-Kernel: if i get you right: first 2 years mostly math, algorithms, c++ and a little bit of linux. 3rd year: java, sysadmin, image processing etc. [07:23] oh.. [07:23] so its a 4 year college [07:23] Ben_Cs WHICH COLLEGE IS IT [07:24] The-Kernel:3 year actually. it's in Israel [07:24] !! [07:24] ah [07:24] I have no idea what kind of system you use there [07:24] what are your degree's called? [07:24] The-Kernel: B. Sc. [07:25] The-Kernel: i know my dad (is sys-admin) has solaris in work [07:25] no idea what that is but ok [07:25] The-Kernel: B. Science. [07:25] OH [07:25] Bachelor in Science [07:25] ok [07:25] yeah that usually takes us 4 years to get here [07:27] 2 years, A.S, 4 years, B.S., 6 Years, M.S., 8 years, doctorate [07:27] <[hans] > They might do it year round with no summer break [07:27] The-Kernel: been thinking. is it worth the head-ache of bsd, or is it better to get into the guts of xubuntu-debian [07:27] ? [07:27] <[hans] > I had a school like that [07:28] Ben_Cs learn it fully, move on to the lext, that's what I did and it's serving me well [07:29] The-Kernel: think you're right. cause if u know one distro inside-out, then the others are pretty similar, right? [07:30] somewhat [07:31] The-Kernel: what unix/linux do u usually use? you being in this channel means you use xubuntu most comonly? [07:31] slackware [07:32] y? [07:32] thought Gentoo is the experts choice [07:32] be cause it has you configure EVERY FRIKING THING!!! [07:32] Gentoo takes to long [07:34] in Gentoo there's no packagin system right? you compile everything from src? [07:34] Ben_Cs: true. [07:35] Ben_Cs: what packaging system does slackware usE? [07:36] The-Kernel: what packaging system does slackware usE? [07:36] tarbalz [07:36] I'm out [07:36] lphst: so how do u keep track of software updates? [07:37] personally i find freebsd really easy [07:38] Ben_Cs: not sure, by luck i guess? :D [07:39] lphst: you have to read everyday posts of soft news? frustrating isn't it? [07:43] yeah. [07:50] <[hans] > Hey, my friend is having problems with his CD drive - how do you do a net install? === xjkx [n=xjkx@201009107041.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #xubuntu [07:57] i'd like to add xubuntu to my lilo...how do i do it? it has like MANY options :p [08:00] xjkx: sorry, don't know. using grub. [08:00] :p [08:01] i liked grub, before it didnt want to load slackware [08:04] xjkx: used lilo many years ago with redhat. so don't remember [08:05] Ben_Cs, can you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst ? [08:06] one sec === zoredache_ [n=zoredach@pdpc/supporter/active/zoredache] has joined #xubuntu === Ryuo [n=Ryuo@CPE-75-81-39-145.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === zoredache_ [n=zoredach@pdpc/supporter/active/zoredache] has left #xubuntu [] === Surger [n=Surge@dsl-241-211-179.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #xubuntu [08:41] !repos [08:41] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource [08:42] !deb [08:42] deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu) [08:42] !debian [08:42] Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu! [08:42] !gentoo [08:42] Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems) [08:42] How do I find what repository a package is in? [08:42] ah, thought it'll be more informative [08:43] Surger: try searching ubuntu repos in ubuntu site [08:43] Ok [08:44] http://packages.ubuntu.com/ [08:44] u can search there in different repos [08:44] Ta === jarnos [n=jarnos@dsl-trebrasgw1-fea0fa00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #xubuntu === LikeVinyl [n=likeviny@OL168-152.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #xubuntu === m0u5e [n=denniska@c-24-6-100-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === mikubuntu [n=chatzill@c-76-108-252-28.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === anonymouse [n=bea@219.94.106.233] has joined #xubuntu [09:10] hi anyone can help me? [09:16] !ask anonymouse [09:16] Sorry, I don't know anything about ask anonymouse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [09:16] !ask | anonymouse [09:16] anonymouse: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [09:17] oh.. [09:17] i got xuuntu installed the first time around without problems [09:18] that's horrible! [09:18] we have to fix it in the next release! ;) [09:18] :O [09:18] =-O [09:18] well....my brother accidentally installed something else on top, things got screwed. [09:19] format and try to reinstall xubuntu but the problem is, i get stuck at the partitioning part [09:19] ext2 and ext3 fail [09:19] anonymouse: ah, disable volume management in thunar in the live cd [09:20] anonymouse: thunar->edit->preferences->advanced->volume manager [09:21] how to get to thunar? [09:24] i click on the installer and go thru 7 steps === Laibsch [n=Laibsch@134.99.37.93] has joined #xubuntu === Laibsch [n=Laibsch@134.99.37.93] has left #xubuntu [] [09:26] anonymouse: just open any directory [09:26] anonymouse: the window that appears is thunar [09:27] anonymouse: the unmount all paritions before starting the installer [09:28] anonymouse: the problem is that thunar's volume manager automatically mounts these partitions, and then the installer can't format them === Arkh [n=Arkh@62.152.122.140] has joined #xubuntu [09:28] ok [09:28] man my inet is acting wierd, running really slow and such [09:28] over 5 minutes and still hasn't loaded google.com [09:28] so his means my windows xp will be gone? [09:30] anonymouse: no, unless you explicitly delete it [09:30] anonymouse: which is always an open option, of course ;) [09:30] something is screwey here [09:30] hmmm [09:31] okay so in file manager i see ubuntu, trash, desktop, file system and 29g volume [09:31] i just unmount 29g volume [09:31] then start the installer again? [09:31] anonymouse: unmount them all, it's not formatting [09:32] (well, you cannot unmount trash or the cd) [09:33] i'm running on the live cd [09:33] so file system should be a ramdisk, rite? [09:33] ok i got some info, on msn i can recieve messages [09:33] but not send them [09:33] and i just need to unmount 29g [09:33] TheSheep: are you getting any of these messages [09:34] magic_ninja: I'd rather bite my head off than use msn [09:35] anonymouse: actually with live cd the main filesystem is a kind of a funny merge of your ram and cd rom [09:35] TheSheep: well its a test, i'm getting mass timeout that indicatates mass packetloss [09:35] magic_ninja: use mtr Luke [09:35] mtr luke? [09:35] !info mtr [09:35] mtr: Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.71-2 (feisty), package size 46 kB, installed size 160 kB [09:36] TheSheep: i can't get it its timing out [09:36] ok....unmounting everything! [09:37] TheSheep: could it be because of ipv6 [09:38] magic_ninja: use ip numbers, not domain names [09:39] TheSheep: do you mind if i do the trace on your ip (if not thats fine just want an ez to get ip) [09:39] TheSheep: nvm got one [09:39] LOL...i can't unmount file system....i guess i am ready to go [09:40] anonymouse: you can't unmount if there is some program running and has any file in there opened [09:41] TheSheep: its working fine i think its just going so slow its timing out, thinking it might be a problem with ipv6 just had a new connection installed [09:41] TheSheep: need to disable ipv6 but i can't look up how [09:42] xubuntu dun have terminal to plonk in cheat codes for the installatio? [09:42] magic_ninja: edit /etc/modules/blacklist and add 'blacklist ipv6' in there [09:42] now its working fine, wierd [09:42] magic_ninja: probably your dns was down [09:43] thats what i was thinking [09:43] i changed my default dns server and it worked fine [09:43] alright ty sheep, tell me right after i fix it lol [09:43] TheSheep: sheep: 23 ninja: 1 [09:44] okay i am at the partition manager screen [09:45] which is better guided 54% or guided entire disk? [09:46] anonymouse: no idea, I haven't seen the new installer yet [09:47] i think i will go for entire disk [09:48] anon [09:48] ya? [09:48] if you are having problems, see if you can create another partition at the end of the disk and back your data up into that [09:48] or try to apt-get qtparted and do it with that [09:49] at least if you format it you won't loose your data [09:49] i dun need to backup anything just want xubuntu 7.04 to work [09:50] there is almost nothing to do on the livecd except install [09:50] anonymouse: wait, let me get one thing [09:50] anonymouse: your brother installed windows, and now the boot menu is gone [09:50] anonymouse: right? [09:50] anonymouse: you can get the menu back without reinstalling the whole thing [09:50] !grub [09:50] grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto [09:51] nope [09:51] that was a few formats back [09:51] argh [09:52] format the whole disk then lol, sounds like your beat [09:52] i dunno why using disk managers wasn't working so i use windows xp installer cd, installed windows xp on fat32 then if can multiboot to xubuntu even better [09:52] anonymouse: winxp just has to be on the first partition of the drive === tuxcrafte1 [n=tuxcraft@145.52.123.227] has joined #xubuntu [09:53] wish me luck the partitioner is working [09:54] magic_ninja: what if you want to have multiple windows xp installed? [09:54] i mean doing its thing [09:55] hello guys, i forgot the command were I can set up my default email and Internet browser, can somebody enlighten me again? :-D [09:56] tuxcrafte1: settings->preferred applications [09:56] TheSheep: i was looking for the commandline tool [09:57] tuxcrafte1: I don't know any, you just create a bunch of text files [09:57] the preferred applications tool does not work here [09:58] tuxcrafte1: well, it works in xubuntu [09:58] fingers crossed :P [09:58] not here [09:59] tuxcrafte1: something must be broken :) [09:59] TheSheep: the last 3 releases it did not work by me and they were all fresh installs [10:00] I alsways fixed this with the commandline tool [10:00] but i forgot the name of it [10:00] creating ext3 [10:00] hmm... [10:00] partition #2 [10:00] tuxcrafte1: update-alternatives ? [10:00] fingers crossed [10:03] TheSheep: yes there it is [10:04] sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser [10:04] perfect [10:04] know it works again [10:08] mmmm it seems to be installing :-D [10:11] TheSheep: thanks for the heads up got my system back to normal again === tuxcrafte1 [n=tuxcraft@145.52.123.227] has left #xubuntu [] [10:11] i'm going to install debian with xfce, for testing on a virtual machine :) [10:11] do the function keys work in xubuntu? [10:11] anonymouse: yes [10:12] for any value of "work" [10:14] i just need it to be able to shoot the vga out to the projector [10:15] !xinerama [10:15] xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead [10:16] doesn't sound like something i need, just shoot my presentation out from impress [10:16] to the company projector [10:20] 74% [10:21] sheep u there? [10:23] anonymouse: yes, sorry, was afk [10:23] the xinerama doesn [10:24] doesnt sound like something for me [10:24] anything else? [10:25] 90% === hhlp [n=hhlp@199.Red-83-49-202.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === ablomen [n=ablomen@unaffiliated/ablomen] has joined #xubuntu [10:33] anonymouse: you can check if it just work :) === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #xubuntu [10:34] ok [10:35] restarting the computer, fingers crossed :) [10:39] grub seems to be working [10:39] lets see it loads or not [10:42] woohoo! [10:42] i'm in the desktop! [10:42] sheep? help me config the wifi [10:48] !wifi | anonymouse [10:48] anonymouse: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [10:49] anonymouse: personally I have no experience with wifi [10:53] hmmm [10:53] eth0 working trying wifi now === ablomen [n=ablomen@unaffiliated/ablomen] has joined #xubuntu [10:54] TheSheep: i forgot, what OS do u run? [10:55] Ben_Cs: should I list them all? :) [10:55] TheSheep: most commonly used one? [10:55] Ben_Cs: xubuntu === Ben_Cs is curious [10:56] TheSheep: list em all :) [10:57] Ben_Cs: pld linux, arch linux, open bsd, solaris, digital unix, windows xp, windows 2000 server, windows 2003 server, dos [10:57] Ben_Cs: in order of frequency of use [10:57] thru vmware? [10:57] anonymouse: no, mostly on various servers at work [10:57] TheSheep:never heard of pld linux [10:58] Ben_Cs: polish distribution [10:58] Ben_Cs: by admins for admins, pretty advanced [10:58] TheSheep: polish of what distro? [10:58] Ben_Cs: polish as in developed in Poland [10:58] ok [10:58] you Polish? [10:59] Ben_Cs: yes [10:59] ok :) [11:00] TheSheep: don't want the headache of gentoo? [11:01] Ben_Cs: I tried it, but it seems to be artifically made complicated [11:01] Ben_Cs: so that people can boast [11:01] i'm using add/remove applications now....is it apt-get? [11:01] TheSheep: and debian? [11:01] anonymouse: it uses apt-get under the hood, apt-get itself is a commandline tool [11:02] ok....i guess n00bs like me needs programs like that :P [11:02] anonymouse: synaptic is more advanced that add/remove [11:02] Ben_Cs: debian's nice, forgot to mention it :) [11:02] anonymouse: synaptic is more powerful [11:03] anonymouse: add/remove is good for finding very comonly used apps and installing them [11:03] where to get synaptc === snook3r [n=snook3r@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net] has joined #xubuntu [11:04] anonymouse: it's pre-installed === jarnos_ [n=jarnos@dsl-trebrasgw1-fea0fa00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #xubuntu [11:04] xubuntu uses xfce so i dun need to download anything for kde/gnome, rite? [11:05] anonymouse: u don't need to, but u can use kde/gnome apps if u want to [11:05] i think all i am missing now is getting my smc wifi card to work [11:06] TheSheep: Is arch a base distro or is it built on another distr? [11:07] Ben_Cs: it's made from scratch I think [11:07] Ben_Cs: it's very straightforward and simple [11:07] TheSheep: what's the package binaries format pacman uses? [11:08] Ben_Cs: tar.gz [11:09] with some additional information for dependencies, but I don't know the details [11:09] TheSheep: so u don't need repositories for arch? you just download the source and give it to pacman? [11:10] Ben_Cs: no, there are repositiories, and the packages contain compiled programs [11:10] Ben_Cs: there is just no special archive format for them [11:10] Ben_Cs: and the repositories are simple ftp sites [11:10] i see [11:11] Ben_Cs: Arch's motto is "don't make it more complicated than it is" [11:11] or something to that effect [11:11] problem === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #xubuntu [11:11] anonymouse: do tell [11:12] i think i got the card to work, all the leds are on and bright === mahtavamatt [n=mahtavam@121.127.192.171] has joined #xubuntu [11:13] but where do i go if i want it to search for hot spots? [11:13] anonymouse: your university probably has some [11:13] anonymouse: there are also often some in libraries [11:14] anonymouse: and in cafes [11:14] no i mean the program in xubuntu [11:15] anonymouse: try 'iwlist' or 'iwspy' in termina; [11:15] l [11:17] anonymouse: I think you can isntall apps like wifiradar or network manager [11:17] anonymouse: taht have gui for this [11:18] ok i find in synaptics [11:20] linux programs are small [11:23] after install...where do i find it? [11:24] anonymouse: I think it should appear in your menu under system [11:24] anonymouse: if not, yuo can select properties in synaptics and see the list of installed files === Ben_Cs [n=benny@212.150.114.161] has joined #xubuntu === anonymouse [n=bea@219.94.106.233] has left #xubuntu [] === anonymouse [n=bea@219.94.106.233] has joined #xubuntu === LikeVinyl [n=likeviny@OL168-152.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #xubuntu [11:27] sorry i am back [11:27] i dun see anything exra in system [11:29] anonymouse: try just typing the name of the application in the terminal [11:30] system lockup :( === jarnos_ [n=jarnos@dsl-trebrasgw1-fea0fa00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #xubuntu [11:33] TheSheep: does the: ' sign in command line mean something special? when i have that sign in a file name, and i execute a command with that name, the command doesn't execute and the line jumps to the next with the sight > at beginning of line [11:33] WTF? [11:33] Ben_Cs: quote [11:33] Ben_Cs: it gives you a continuation of previous line [11:34] so if my ipod's name has the sign ' i can't unmount it? [11:34] Ben_Cs: escape that ' with \ [11:34] Ben_Cs: write \' [11:34] ok [11:35] great [11:35] thanks [11:35] one amarok problem solved then :) [11:35] Ben_Cs: if you press tab it hsould complete the file name [11:36] TheSheep: what's the difference between eject and umount BTW? [11:36] i was at network i select roaming mode [11:36] then it locked up [11:36] Ben_Cs: eject opens the tray [11:36] TheSheep: but with ipod? [11:37] roaming mode is enabled now but there is no tick next to its icon unlike my wired connection (ethernet) [11:37] Ben_Cs: :P [11:37] i still dun get any prompts to choose a wireless network [11:38] anonymouse: I really don't know, have you read the wifi docs? [11:38] i'm a noob dun understand most of it [11:38] Ben_Cs: I guess the ipod doesn't have a try... === Arkh [n=Arkh@62.152.122.140] has joined #xubuntu [11:39] :\ [11:39] TheSheep: ok, tried umounting the ipod. doesn't do a complete unmount. device is still signaling busy. eject does the trick though. conclusion: use eject instead of umount when possible. right? [11:40] Ben_Cs: eject is a convenience script that does unmount and then some additional things depending on the device [11:40] Ben_Cs: I guess it's a good idea to use eject [11:41] yup [11:41] agree [11:41] :) [11:42] :-X [11:43] gksu is graphical root login right? [11:43] Ben_Cs: not login, it runs program as root, just like usdo [11:43] duso [11:43] sudo [11:43] argh === TheSheep can't type [11:44] TheSheep: so what's the difference between sudo and gksu? [11:45] gksu has graphical password prompt and knows how to set some X-related variables so thet graphical programs work fine [11:46] TheSheep: the question is, that if in a gui prog i write a command to be executed that has "sudo", it gets sruck cause it expects password from comandline right? si i thought gksu will make it want the password from gui = a gui password prompt [11:46] Ben_Cs: yes [11:50] TheSheep: well when i add in amarok post disconnection command: gksu eject /media/BENJAMIN\'S the ipod isn't ejected (i don't get password prompt). only command in CLI sudo eject /media/BENJAMIN\'S does the job. what's wrong then? === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #xubuntu [11:52] btw writing in CLI: gksu eject /media/BENJAMIN\'S doesn't prompt for password aswell and again the ipod isn't ejected [11:52] any ideas? [11:53] no [11:53] can sudo work from gui app? [11:54] weird! sudo did work from there [11:54] how come it doesn't need password.... [11:54] Ben_Cs: that's because it didn't have to ask for password [11:55] Ben_Cs: alas, if you just include your ipod in fstab and add 'user' or 'users' to the options, any user can mount and unmount it [11:57] someone told me to do: gpasswd -a [your username] plugdev [11:57] brb === Ben_Cs [n=benny@212.150.114.161] has joined #xubuntu [11:58] am back [11:58] so do u think that command lets me eject devices without sudo? [12:00] The-Sheep: well that command didn't help. still seems sudo does the trick [12:00] Ben_Cs: I think that ubuntu doesn't use plugdev [12:00] Ben_Cs: btw, if the device was mounted with gui, you should be able to unmount it as user [12:01] TheSheep: it was mounted automatically [12:01] Ben_Cs: then you should be able to unmount it as user === AlexC [n=AlexC@dragnet2034196110.dragnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [12:02] TheSheep: when i try without sudo, i get failure - not root [12:03] nevermind as long as sudo does the job from amarok [12:03] using sudo for non-root task is ugly [12:04] TheSheep: but when i dont i getumount: /media/BENJAMIN'S is not in the fstab (and you are not root) [12:04] eject: unmount of `/media/BENJAMIN'S' failed [12:04] Ben_Cs: that's because it use pmount [12:05] what's pmount? === jarnos [n=jarnos@dsl-trebrasgw1-fea0fa00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #xubuntu [12:05] pmount - mount arbitrary hotpluggable devices as normal user [12:05] there is also pumount [12:06] but i need eject [12:06] The program 'pmount' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: [12:06] sudo apt-get install pmount [12:06] so it doesn't use pmount after all [12:08] then it mounts it using hal [12:09] Ben_Cs: did you see thunar's volume manager? [12:09] Ben_Cs: I think it does automatically what you are trying to script [12:09] lemme check [12:09] thunar -> edit -> prefernces -> advanced [12:10] it isn't working :( [12:10] enable volume managment is checked [12:11] Ben_Cs: you can configure it to run specified program when you connect your ipod [12:11] nope, right click and unmount doesn't do the trick [12:11] program like what? [12:12] Ben_Cs: music player, maybe? [12:12] TheSheep: ok but that isn't very important [12:12] Ben_Cs: right click and unmount won't work if you mounted it manually as root [12:13] TheSheep: i didn't. it mounted automatically [12:14] !info gtkpod [12:14] gtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.8-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 528 kB, installed size 2220 kB [12:14] TheSheep: nevermind. the job gets done, it's what important [12:15] TheSheep: yeh it's installed [12:15] Ben_Cs: but it nly works because you have enterd you password in sudo before [12:15] TheSheep: could be [12:15] Ben_Cs: because sudo only asks for passowrd once in a while === jarnos [n=jarnos@dsl-trebrasgw1-fea0fa00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #xubuntu [12:15] TheSheep: but everything else doen't do the job [12:16] Ben_Cs: you can add the ipod to your fstab with 'users' option [12:17] Ben_Cs: then it can be mounted/unmounted by users [12:17] !fstab [12:17] The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions === jarnos_ [n=jarnos@dsl-trebrasgw1-fea0fa00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #xubuntu [12:17] TheSheep: i tought fstab is mounting devices automatically on startup === jarnos [n=jarnos@dsl-trebrasgw1-fea0fa00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #xubuntu [12:18] Ben_Cs: not if you add 'noauto' [12:20] TheSheep: ok. i'm off to eat. then i'll read the manual ubotu refered to. then i'll be back [12:20] thanks === anonymouse [n=bea@219.94.106.233] has left #xubuntu [] === predaeus [n=predaeus@chello212186005030.401.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #xubuntu === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-44-139.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #xubuntu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #xubuntu === predaeus [n=predaeus@chello212186005030.401.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #xubuntu [01:23] TheSheep: still here? === Jester45 is [01:37] Jester45: /dev/disk/by-label/BENJAMIN'S /media/ipod auto noauto,user,rw,sync 0 0 [01:38] doesn't mount the ipod. it's ignored [01:38] you have noauto [01:38] and ipod is mounted to default place [01:38] Jester45: yes. i don't want ipod mounted on system start [01:38] i want it plug&play [01:41] Jester45: what i try to accomplish, is that ipod is mounted automatically on plugin but will be able to eject it without sudo [01:41] ideas? [01:42] let it mount via thunar but have a symbloic link from the normal mount place to the want you want [01:43] that way when it is mounted it will also be at /media/ippd [01:43] a bit hackish [01:44] Jester45: ok i don't mind it being mounted to /media/BENJAMIN'S but i want to be able to eject it without sudo [01:44] humm === nikolam [n=nikola@adsl-211-220.eunet.yu] has joined #xubuntu [01:44] i say just pull it out but i have to get ready for school im 20 mins late [01:45] Jester45: ok [01:45] thnx [01:45] bye [01:45] hello [01:46] Did anyone manage to make skype work in xubuntu 7.04? [01:46] nikolam: yes [01:46] I found tutorial on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432295 but it doesnt work for me :( [01:47] nikolam: do you have sound? [01:47] lol i need to leave in 10 mins and girl friend is coming over then and i still havent even taken a shower :) procrasition + irc = time killer [01:47] Just to say: on 64-bit xubuntu 7.04 [01:47] I have:Floating point exception (core dumped) [01:48] Jester45: indeed :) [01:49] nikolam: don't know about 64 bit. i had several problems with 64bit version so i reinstalled 32bit version of xubuntu. [01:49] it is reely sad about 64 bit [01:49] nikolam: i think 64bit isn't mature enough yet. i recommend you to work with 32bit. [01:49] And the main problems are non-free add-ons and programs.. wmv, flash, skype.. [01:50] but if u up to it you can blow yourhead off with looking for a 64bit solution:) [01:50] Yes i am forsing myself to go back to 32 bit byt why *oh* why I get 64bit processor then.. [01:52] nikolam: it's a good idea - 64bit cpu. pitty the programmers didn't work enough on compatible apps [01:52] BRB [01:52] But hey, most thing work fine here on my 64 bit xubuntu === Ben_Cs [n=benny@212.150.114.161] has joined #xubuntu [01:53] only *some* needs some tweaking [01:53] I managed to make skype 32 bit work on 7.10 test installation on 64 bit bit I reinstalled [01:54] Beacouse I need stabile 7.04 [01:55] i see [02:00] It seems to me that even static precompiled skype needs some newer libraries than 7.04. I will investigate [02:00] nikolam: u mean the 64bit version right? [02:01] Yes [02:04] nikolam: if u find a solution be sure to tell. [02:04] I promise [02:05] :) [02:11] Ben_Cs: Try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432295 [02:12] But in my case, it didnt work [02:14] nikolam: it's just an installation guide. i thought u did install skype, and that it just wont work [02:15] It was before when I was testing gutsy tribe 3 or so. i managed to make it work Somehow [02:19] ok [02:31] nikolam: is this right: /dev/sdb /media/ipod auto noauto,user,rw,sync 0 0 ??? [02:31] oos [02:31] sorry [02:31] wrong room === askatasuna [n=ura@151.36.177.178] has joined #xubuntu [02:43] hello i have tried to update system from 6.06 to 6.10 with update manager but the system return an error [02:44] askatasuna: what's the error? [02:46] Ben_Cs: one moment..... [02:49] Ben_Cs: error during update calculation === starvinmarvin [i=12341234@ip72-196-200-140.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:51] askatasuna: that's it? [02:52] Ben_Cs: yes is a update-manager error [02:52] If I'm adding hard drives that will be used for additional storage, do I format as Logical or Primary? [02:53] askatasuna: what if u go into synaptic and click "mark all upgrades"? [02:54] Ben_Cs: just one moment [02:55] Ben_Cs: packages are upgraded at the last version [02:56] sudo apt-get upgrade [02:56] try it [02:59] or even better: [02:59] sudo apt-get update [02:59] and then [02:59] sudo apt-get dist-upgrade === askatasuna_ [n=ura@151.36.177.178] has joined #xubuntu [03:01] Ben_Cs: sorry but the packages are already upgraded i have done that before update manager [03:02] ok, but sudo apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades the distro (unless you didn't enable the repositories. did you?) [03:02] Ben_Cs: apt-get dist-upgrade say to me 0 to upgrade [03:03] ok [03:03] try this: open synaptic [03:03] there: settings->repositories [03:03] you there? [03:03] yes [03:04] ok. now: [03:04] in "ubuntu software" check eveything exsept source [03:05] in "updates" tab check the first two [03:05] then click "close" and click the button reload === Smygis [n=smygis@e611.cust.vannas.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:06] then try the coomand line: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [03:06] anything new? [03:06] i'm downloading new packages of then repository [03:07] ok [03:08] you mean, "reload"? [03:08] or already "upgrade"? [03:09] now reload is ended [03:09] now i'm going to click upgrde (right?) [03:09] ok. do the "upgrade command [03:09] sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [03:10] if u click "upgarde" it'll only upgrade packages in current version of ubuntu. [03:10] i understand you want to upgarde the ubuntu version right? [03:11] yes from 6.06 to 6.10 [03:11] hmmm. i think it'll upgrade to 7.04 [03:11] y u want 6.10? [03:12] Ben_Cs: can i pass from 6.06 to 7.04? [03:12] Ben_Cs: if yes i'd like it [03:12] don't think there's a problem about it [03:13] just type in command line: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [03:13] Ben_Cs: ok [03:13] Ben_Cs: now update-manager is going well [03:13] Ben_Cs: thank you for your help [03:13] yes [03:13] no problem === cellofellow [n=josh@69-71-160-212.mammothnetworks.com] has joined #xubuntu === MagicFab [n=MagicFab@ubuntu/member/magicfab] has joined #xubuntu === jester_ [n=jester@vidd.vidd.us] has joined #xubuntu === jester_ is now known as Jester54 === Janschu [n=jan@i59F7CD9F.versanet.de] has joined #xubuntu [04:33] I just upgraded my system to feisty. [04:33] Grub is not finding the new kernel [04:34] Janschu: weird. when i did. grup was updated [04:34] I thought I would try reinstalling the kernel, but synaptic keeps showing the kernel packages as not authenticated [04:35] I have reloaded several times already === starvinmarvin [i=12341234@ip72-196-200-140.dc.dc.cox.net] has left #xubuntu [] [04:44] the strange thing is, the kernels are sitting right there in /boot/ [04:45] but when I try to boot from the new kernels, I just get a blank screen with a flashing prompt === mindframe [n=mindfram@69.2.38.187] has joined #xubuntu [04:51] Janschu: did the upgrade go smooth? [04:52] yes [04:52] everything went fine, until it was time to reboot. Then I found that I could only boot the old kernel [04:53] Janschu: well you better wait for someone more experienced than me [04:53] ok, thanks === cosmi [n=simo_gnu@87.13.179.79] has joined #xubuntu === cosmi [n=simo_gnu@87.13.179.79] has left #xubuntu [] === maxamillion [n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu] has joined #xubuntu === The-Kernel [n=The-Kern@67-150-252-167.oak.mdsg-pacwest.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:10] hey all how goes it? [05:11] The-Kernel: fine tnx [05:11] you? [05:11] how's school? [05:14] ah, new, I've never been to school my whole life, and then one day I'm just...doing it! === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp195-10.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #xubuntu === joakim [n=Leho@217-159-154-40-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #xubuntu === Ben_Cs [n=benny@212.150.114.161] has joined #xubuntu === Ben_Cs [n=benny@212.150.114.161] has joined #xubuntu === orbit7 [n=martijn@cp562554-b.landg1.lb.home.nl] has joined #xubuntu === faemir [n=faemir@85-211-16-164.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === hhlp [n=hhlp@199.Red-83-49-202.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === elbing [n=elbing@81.Red-88-12-195.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === The-Kernel [n=The-Kern@unaffiliated/the-kernel] has joined #xubuntu === caribou_ [n=caribou@197.7.99-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #xubuntu === tech404 [n=evan@southernae.com] has joined #xubuntu === hyper__ch [n=hyper@65.234.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #xubuntu === triptec [n=triptec@85.8.5.107.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #xubuntu [06:45] any image viewer too recommend?? [06:46] triptec: for what? [06:47] triptec: I use mirage for quick preview and comix for reading scanned comic books [06:47] yeah something similar to acdsee but for linux... === zoredache [n=zoredach@pdpc/supporter/active/zoredache] has joined #xubuntu [06:49] i've been using gqview. rather light. [06:50] triptec: gtksee is based on the old acdsee interface, but it's weird for me :/ [06:52] thx, I'll check it out [06:52] hello zoredache [06:54] I just did an update to feisty. Now xubuntu will only boot when I choose the original kernel. If I leave it alone or try to boot from one of the newer kernels, I get a blank screen and a flashing prompt [06:54] Janschu: its a kernel panic [06:54] ok [06:55] what can I do? [06:55] nothing you can do about it [06:55] back up everything, download feisty, install new [06:55] The-Kernel: wth? [06:56] zoredache: you have another opinon? [06:56] I mean Janschu you can always use that old kernel [06:56] true [06:57] but I'm not sure if that's actually the older version of the OS [06:57] I say reformat and reinstall [06:57] I've always done it that way [06:57] that's the windows way [06:58] how can you know it is a kernel panic from such limited information? how can you suggest a format/reinstall without taking at least a little time to choose the less destructive options? [06:58] Janschu: when it 'doesn't boot' what do you see on the screen? [07:00] grub sends its little message, at which point I can hit esc to choose a kernel. If I pick anything other then the oldest kernel, I get a blank screen and a flashing prompt at the upper left hand corner of the screen [07:00] zoredache: it was the basic symptoms of a kernel panic [07:00] I see it all the time === nikolam [n=nikola@adsl-211-220.eunet.yu] has joined #xubuntu [07:03] "Blamk Screen, Flashing Prompt" usually == kernel panic, plus he said he jsut upgraded which is another clue [07:04] is there a way to customize the xfce panel ? [07:04] Janschu: go into the old kernel and pastebin what /boot/grub/menu.lst looks like === nikolam [n=nikola@adsl-211-220.eunet.yu] has joined #xubuntu [07:07] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36588/ [07:09] Janschu: so which one is your old kernel? [07:09] the one that works [07:09] 2.6.17-10? [07:09] yes [07:09] ok [07:10] on the 2.6.20-16 remove the "ro" and "quiet" and then try to boot the kernel, remember to write down whatever the error says [07:12] ok, will do [07:14] I will be right back, I only have the one machine to work with [07:15] haha, ok === Janschu [n=jan@i577B46A0.versanet.de] has joined #xubuntu [07:19] that was fast [07:19] ok, I'm back [07:19] ok [07:20] I let it boot without hitting anything, so I suspect it tried to boot the first entry, and it just gave me the same flashing prompt. Should I try explicitely choosing the 20 kernel? [07:21] go ahead [07:22] ok, I'll be right back === Janschu [n=jan@i59F7D446.versanet.de] has joined #xubuntu [07:25] Still nothing [07:25] wow [07:26] ok, go ahead and try the recovery mode the top one [07:26] will do === triptec [n=triptec@85.8.5.107.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:27] how do I change the "send to" menu? [07:28] no idea === Janschu [n=jan@i59F7D6E6.versanet.de] has joined #xubuntu [07:29] still nothing. although, I did not remove ro and quiet from the menu.lst this time [07:30] you went into the recovery mode for the 20 kernel? [07:30] also, I forgot to mention that I always get the "Starting up ..." message before the screen goes blank [07:30] yes [07:30] ok, this is very unsual [07:31] kernel panics are usually very "noticable" does the three "Numlock" Scroll lock" and "Caps Lock" lights flash? [07:31] I supose for the time being I can comment out all the new enteries in menu.lst and then give it another go when gutsy comes around [07:31] I am pretty sure that they were not flashing [07:32] this may be fruitless but do you have a copy of memtest? Alternatively I think the live cd's have an option for memtest. [07:32] yes, I do have a spare memtest running about [07:32] just a thought, but has anyone googled for 'blank screen after grub'? [07:32] zoredache: yes [07:32] everything I seem seems to suggest a kernel/video card incompatiblitiy [07:33] its unlikely that the other version would work just fine if its hardware but it is possible [07:33] anyway, downloading and booting a livecd with the same kernel should prove/disprove that [07:34] ah, to that I should say that I tried booting the Feisty live cds, both the desktop and the alternate, and both would not boot, though with different messages [07:35] . . . [07:35] the desktop gave me a message to try the other CD [07:35] Janschu: what graphics card? [07:36] what are the "detailed" specs of your system? [07:36] Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400/G450 (rev 04) [07:37] well, I say wait till gutsy then [07:37] hope that it'll work [07:37] I gotaa go now [07:37] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36597/ [07:38] thanks a bunch for your help !! [07:38] no problem [07:38] oh and just a side note, i don't think its your graphics card/chipset because i have a system like yours that runs feisty fine [07:39] alright, bye [07:42] Janschu, I also had trouble on 32bit xubuntu with Matrox G400 on 6.10 [07:42] Then I used 7.04 with Alternate CD and installed and worked fine. [07:43] 6.06 also works fine with G400 [07:43] wierd, by me 6.10 works fine and 7.04 is giving me problems. [07:43] Hmm [07:43] i used Alternat einstall CD [07:43] I did not try 6.06, but 5.10 booted fine from the live CD [07:44] alternate=no live cd, just installation [07:45] Also, 2.6.20-15 works better then 2.6.20-16.. [07:45] I tried the Ubuntu 7.04 alternate, I suppose I could give the xubunte 7.04 a try [07:45] Yes, I installed and use Xubuntu alternate 7.04 om my old machine [07:45] P3-733 384Mb, 17GB hdd [07:46] And it worked on G400 for months [07:47] ok, thanks [07:49] and thanks to everyone who chimed in ! (and to those who put up with me :) [07:49] bye [08:00] is is possible to NOT give for example mv all resources, I can't so anything while moving files [08:02] triptec: can you rephase that... I don't understand [08:03] when I use the "mv" command and move just 20-30 gb it takes all system resources [08:04] I can use things already in RAM but to start a program takes ages.. [08:09] zoredache: better? === neozen [n=neozen@65.91.254.98] has joined #xubuntu === neozen [n=neozen@65.91.254.98] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] === neozen [n=neozen@65.91.254.98] has joined #xubuntu === mindframe [n=mindfram@69.2.35.56] has joined #xubuntu === tech404 [n=evan@southernae.com] has left #xubuntu [] [08:31] huhu === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp195-10.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #xubuntu [] === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #xubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=highvolt@dsl-241-188-61.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #xubuntu === ablomen [n=ablomen@unaffiliated/ablomen] has joined #xubuntu [09:24] why would tracker appear to be permanently indexing my disk? It reports having indexed 3.6 million files so far.. there are only 115k in my entire home directory. [09:27] tracker as in ? [09:28] whats a torrent client for linux with encryption? [09:28] azereus [09:31] rtorrent [09:32] ktorrent === abrahm [n=kenny@CPE0011954e28ea-CM0012c999c848.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-20-85.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu === SuprUsr [n=andrew@dsl-206-251-2-131.dsl0.crls.pa.net] has joined #xubuntu === triptec [n=triptec@85.8.5.107.static.se.wasadata.net] has left #xubuntu [] [09:51] Okay... So. [09:51] I have wireless issues... (Still/again) [09:56] I have my router set up and working, I have WEP set up on both ends, but I can't seem to get a connection between router and laptop. [09:57] It's seems like my card isn't detecting the signal from the router. [09:57] Or, something equally strange and annoying. === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #xubuntu === azi_ [n=azi@um-sd06-229-2.uni-mb.si] has joined #xubuntu [10:11] some friend of mine installed xubuntu and berly [10:11] now, xftaskbar and xfwm are not run at login [10:11] and trying to run xfwm4 says another WM is already runing [10:11] anyone experienced that before? [10:12] SuprUsr: how about testing it with no encryption? === Pres-Gas [n=PresGas@74-130-18-146.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #xubuntu [10:19] Merchelo: tracker is a desktop search tool like beagle [10:19] ok === The-Kernel [n=The-Kern@67-150-252-207.oak.mdsg-pacwest.com] has joined #xubuntu === test3r [n=test3r@71-89-151-154.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu === Ben_Cs [n=chatzill@212.150.114.161] has joined #xubuntu [11:10] hello === steve___ [n=steve@kit-dhcp1.porchlight.ca] has joined #xubuntu === steve___ [n=steve@kit-dhcp1.porchlight.ca] has left #xubuntu [] === cheeseboy [n=greg@24-107-235-119.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [11:33] hi === Qew [n=qew@82-69-126-225.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === steve___ [n=steve@kit-dhcp1.porchlight.ca] has joined #xubuntu [11:34] my wine cfg got messed up how do i restore to deault? [11:35] how does one find out a kernel module version from a newer kernel not installed? I want to see if 2.6.22 in gutsy has newer kernel modules than the kernel i'm presently using [11:41] I suspect that you would need to look in the changelogs on kernel.org to see if there where any changes === linux_stu [n=stu@erht-c-090.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #xubuntu [11:46] hello === shiznix [i=legends@gentoo/user/shiznix] has joined #xubuntu [11:46] does ubuntu's package management system provide a method in which one can build the package from source? === linux_stu [n=stu@erht-c-090.resnet.purdue.edu] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] === Kr4t05 [n=andrew@dsl-206-251-9-64.dsl0.crls.pa.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:11] Okay... Who wants to help me with wireless issues? [12:11] I have my router set up, I have my card set up. === triptec [n=triptec@85.8.5.107.static.se.wasadata.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:11] But, lo and behold, the two devices will not talk to one another [12:12] is there any program that i can monitor the current speed of my eth??? [12:12] network monitor just have the bars... === tommerz [n=tom@cpc1-glfd3-0-0-cust559.glfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:20] triptec - iptraf will do it [12:20] hey, does anyone know if there's an iso for xubuntu powerpc, or do you have to install via alternate and then apt-get? [12:20] kr4t05 - what do you get when you type 'iwconfig' [12:20] steve___: One second. [12:21] I'm re-installing ndiswrapper and some thinks. [12:21] steve___: thx [12:22] kr4t05 - do you have the broadcom chipset? [12:23] steve___: RTL8180L [12:25] isn't that supported natively? [12:25] steve___: It is, but it doesn't support WPA... Do I really need WPA, though? I live in a fairly rural area, so I think WEP would be fine for my needs. [12:26] well if you don't go with WPA than do not bother with WEP. I'm not familar with the RTL8180 [12:27] I would suggest WPA though. Unless you normally go to the grocery store without pants on :) [12:28] Hrm... [12:29] Since you put it that way/ [12:30] Let me fix up some stuff, then. [12:31] i'd first get the card up and pass traffic without any encryption [12:32] Alright... the driver is listed in my ndisgtk, but it says "Hardware present: No" [12:33] Should that bother me, or should I ignore it? [12:33] Because, the card is inserted into the PCMCIA slot. [12:34] in a terminal, what do you get from a "lspci |grep -i ether" [12:35] Realtek Semi conducter Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b [12:36] The hardware is present :) [12:36] Yeah, I figured. :P [12:36] i'm not familiar with ndisgtk [12:37] Wait... Hrm... [12:37] i'm assuming it's saying it doesn't see the driver? [12:37] I just restarted networking and wlanO: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device. [12:38] One second. === tux1 [n=tux@cp69851-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #xubuntu [12:49] steve___: Okay... Card is working, now. :) [12:51] nice... now you just have to pull your pants up :) [12:54] steve___: Well, I need to make the connection. [12:56] So... The card is detected and installed. [12:56] Let's use iwconfig. [01:01] steve___: Okay... So, what exactly am I looking for? [01:02] what does it say? [01:02] A good deal. [01:02] ESSID and access point? [01:02] ESSID:off/any [01:03] Access Point: Not-Associated [01:03] *gasp* [01:03] :) [01:03] steve___: What was that all about? [01:03] do you know what the essid of your router is set to? [01:03] One moment, I can check. [01:04] Ok, now I do. [01:05] ok soiwconfig eth? essid NAME [01:05] 'iwconfig eth? essid NAME' [01:05] where eth? is the name of your interface and NAME is the essid [01:06] Shouldn't that be wlan? [01:06] yeah if that's it's called [01:06] Okay. [01:06] No errors. [01:07] iwconfig [01:07] do you have connection to the AP now? [01:07] Nope... [01:07] is there a value beside SSID and access point? [01:07] ESSID [01:07] Nope. [01:08] Zip. Zilch. Nada. [01:08] do you have root permissions? [01:08] sudo [01:08] yeah [01:08] did you use sudo? [01:08] Yep [01:09] does your AP have any encryption settings turn on (checked)? [01:09] Oh, yeah. [01:09] *gasp* [01:09] :) [01:10] WEP hex [01:10] step one, pull down your.. err. You know what i mean :) [01:10] turn off all encryption [01:10] Security Disabled. [01:10] ok up arrow and try again [01:10] Done and done. [01:11] iwconfig? [01:11] connection? [01:11] Still nothing. :/ [01:11] balls [01:11] Indeed. [01:11] up arrow and change the essid_name to 'on' [01:12] did you reboot/reset the AP after you saved the settings? [01:12] steve___: Nah, I can't. [01:12] or make sure you hit the "apply changes" button [01:12] steve___: Yes, twice. [01:13] oh oh sounds like someone is borrowing a net connection :) [01:13] I doubt it. :P [01:13] But, should i get out snort?