[01:15] <oli__> right now theres one big fat32 primary partition. installation cancels no matter how i format it
[01:15] <oli__> tried the manual as well as "guided, complete hdd"
[01:17] <atarinox> i'm trying to follow this instruction for installing this vpn client to get on my uni's wireless network...but it says the client supports Red Hat 6.2 or compatible libraries w/ glibc version 2.1.1-6 or later, using kernel 2.2.12 or later. Will this work w/ feisty?
[01:22] <cellofellow> atarinox: what client is it?
[01:22] <cellofellow> if it is in an RPM or tar.gz package, for Red Hat, it's not likely to work on a deb-based distro like Ubuntu.
[01:22] <cellofellow> It may be in the repos though, or you could build from source.
[01:24] <atarinox> cellofellow: think it's just called vpnclient
[01:24] <cellofellow> is it something your school made for themselves?
[01:24] <atarinox> and it's not an rpm...yeah i think it has some config files already built in maybe?
[01:25] <atarinox> the file is vpnclient-linux-4.8.00.0490-k9.tar.gz
[01:27] <cellofellow> atarinox: just try it. Extract it into /opt/ or /usr/local or just your home dir and see if it works.
[01:27] <triptec> is there anywon who knows how to make thunar NOT make shortcuts to fakeraided disks on desktop and in thunar?????
[01:27] <cellofellow> ummmmm
[01:29] <triptec> anyone??
[01:30] <cellofellow> triptec: I don't know.
[01:31] <triptec> ...=(
[01:58] <dawiz> can anyone help with ndiswrapper?
[01:58] <dawiz> i keep getting invalid driver
[01:59] <triptec> sorry
[02:03] <triptec> is there anyway to move windows between screen, now it's only the mouse that is able to do that
[02:03] <dawiz> anybody?
[02:03] <triptec> screens*
[02:15] <dawiz> can anyone help with ndiswrapper?
[02:36] <starvinmarvin> Not ten minutes ago I updated xubuntu. I rebooted and am stuck in grub. What have I done now?
[02:44] <Jester45> starvinmarvin, what does grub say ?
[02:47] <starvinmarvin> hold on, I rebooted...I will soon forward grub's message to you. I think he's pissed.
[02:48] <Jester45> grub is pissed? its a she
[02:48] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: "Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists the possible completions of a device/filename.
[02:49] <Jester45> ... thats a discription on the grub commandline
[02:49] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: That's all it tells me. Unless I type commands. What do you mean by what does it say?
[02:49] <Jester45> so what does it do as its boots
[02:50] <Jester45> says loading then that
[02:50] <Jester45> maybe your missing your grub config
[02:50] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: Yeah I think so. commands like geometry(hd_ don't result in the available hard disks.
[02:52] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: Prior to reboot, I was messing around with two hard drives I have attached via a PCI slot. I'm wondering if the system is trying to boot off of them
[02:52] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: grub says "loading, please wait..." then after a second flashes to the message I provided earlier.
[02:52] <Jester45> ok what disc was grub on and the os?
[02:52] <Jester45> i think it cant fine the disk
[02:52] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: on the main HD from IDE1
[02:53] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: the disks I was messin were on a PCI card...not related to IDE
[02:53] <Jester45> and it has been there and was working from there and is it still there?
[02:53] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: if you're asking about the IDE1 hd, then yes.
[02:54] <starvinmarvin> i think i may just pull the pci card and see what happens.
[02:54] <Jester45> try that
[02:55] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: Hold on to your butts.
[02:56] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: no luck.
[02:56] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: Is there some sort of recovery mode from the install disk?
[02:57] <Jester45> i dont think
[02:57] <Jester45> the live cd would be
[02:57] <Jester45> thats what i noramly use to recover
[02:58] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: I wonder what happened. Could it have been the update?
[02:58] <Jester45> what did you update
[02:58] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: everything.
[02:59] <Jester45> like edgy to feisty?
[02:59] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: I just clicked update. Boom. Restart. pfft. Then I met Mr. Grub.
[02:59] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: Who by the way, isn't very polite.
[02:59] <Jester45> so... was it an upgrade from one version like edgy to feisty or just a few programs
[03:00] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: I'm going to guess edgy. I briefly saw where it was coming from and I read edgy and security updates....don't quite know what that amounts to though.
[03:01] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: Wish I would have paid more attention. Hindsight will get you every time.
[03:02] <Jester45> well im not sure if the gui tools will just upgrade to a new version i think they ask you. meaning it doesnt look like a normal upgrade because a lot of people want to keep their version
[03:02] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: I take that back, if edgy wasn't updated in the last week, then it wasn't that. Must have been a few progs. Cause I updated about a week ago without incident.
[03:02] <Jester45> was it a quick download
[03:02] <starvinmarvin> yep
[03:02] <Jester45> a full upgrade is 300mb or more
[03:03] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: Ok, so progs it is. Where does that take us?
[03:03] <Jester45> run uname -r
[03:03] <Jester45> o
[03:03] <Jester45> yea you cant :)
[03:04] <Jester45> brb xchat upgrade
[03:04] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: I feel a reinstal coming.
[03:05] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: So should I just re-install?
[03:05] <Jester45> do you have a live cd?
[03:07] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: Just inserted the xubuntu cd I used for install...not sure if it has a live version on it.
[03:08] <Jester45> if it boots into a desktop its live cd if not its not
[03:10] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: Well it's doing something, so we'll see. What do you have in store when I get to the live cd?
[03:11] <dawiz> can anyone help with a build error?
[03:11] <dawiz> make: *** [all]  error 2
[03:12] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: Not sure if you can help dawiz, but if you can't i'm sitting at the desktop live now.
[03:12] <dawiz> ?
[03:14] <starvinmarvin> dawiz: things move rather slow around here. You kinda have to just put your question in and wait a while. may be 2 seconds may be more. if your questionmark was for me...then I was just being nice and letting jester45 help you if he could (he/she) was helping me prior to your question.
[03:14] <dawiz> ok
[03:14] <dawiz> yeah so far its been an all day wait
[03:14] <starvinmarvin> Not too sure why there are so many people in the room and not responding.
[03:15] <starvinmarvin> But a few are usually around that really know their stuff. TheSheep for example. Don't know where that one is though.
[03:16] <dawiz> ive been having problems with ndiswrapper
[03:16] <dawiz> i think im gonna try madwifi
[03:16] <dawiz> i tried an older version of ndiswrapper
[03:16] <dawiz> still wont build
[03:17] <starvinmarvin> yeah, since I just learned what grub was tonight, i'm pretty sure I can't help.
[03:17] <dawiz> although ndiswrapper -l returns invalid driver
[03:17] <dawiz> heh
[03:18] <starvinmarvin> what are you building anyway?
[03:18] <dawiz> ndiswrapper
[03:18] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: did you go make nachos? Where'd ya go?
[03:19] <starvinmarvin> Ahh I see.
[03:19] <dawiz> heh
[03:19] <dawiz> madwifi doesnt do usb adapters
[03:19] <dawiz> man
[03:19] <starvinmarvin> And I take it your wifi device is usb
[03:19] <dawiz> just one thing after another
[03:19] <dawiz> yep
[03:19] <dawiz> wusb54gv2
[03:20] <dawiz> linksys
[03:20] <starvinmarvin> So being out of the linux circuit, why all the trouble? isn't there a plug'n play driver set?
[03:20] <starvinmarvin> why the need to build
[03:23] <dawiz> because microsoft has a strangled hold on hardware comp[atibility
[03:23] <starvinmarvin> I know I can't help you with your prob, but maybe you can help me w/ mine.
[03:23] <dawiz> whats wrong?
[03:24] <starvinmarvin> Something happened to my install. I'm continually sent to grub. I'm successfully booted into the live CD, but I don't know what to do from here to fix/figure out the problem
[03:24] <starvinmarvin> xubuntu was working fine until i updated and rebooted. couldn't get back into the OS
[03:25] <dawiz> does it give you an error?
[03:25] <starvinmarvin> so now i'm looking at the device.map file, but i don't quite know what to do with it
[03:25] <starvinmarvin> nope, "loading, please wait..."
[03:25] <starvinmarvin> then I go to the command prompt
[03:25] <dawiz> from grub?
[03:25] <starvinmarvin> right
[03:26] <dawiz> u try reinstall?
[03:26] <starvinmarvin> As in the action or command?
[03:26] <dawiz> action
[03:26] <starvinmarvin> no, i was worried about data loss
[03:26] <dawiz> ic
[03:26] <dawiz> im not real well versed in grub
[03:27] <dawiz> prolly a grub issue
[03:27] <dawiz> wont boot the os
[03:27] <starvinmarvin> it's a media sever....or will be when it's done. So it has some media on the file system. i'd hate to lose that.
[03:27] <dawiz> maybe improper installation
[03:27] <dawiz> you sure the drive isnt bad?
[03:27] <Kr4t05> starvinmarvin: Try using gparted to resize your root partition, and make a backup partition.  Copy the files over that you want to keep, and then reinstall, making sure not to overwrite the backup partition.
[03:28] <dawiz> yeah that was next suggestion
[03:28] <Kr4t05> dawiz: Sorry for stealing. ;)
[03:28] <starvinmarvin> Can I access the files if I slave the hd into a windows box?
[03:29] <Kr4t05> starvinmarvin: If the Windows box has ext3 drivers, sure.
[03:29] <dawiz> its all good
[03:29] <starvinmarvin> I'm pretty sure this is all a lot more work than I ever anticipated.
[03:30] <Kr4t05> starvinmarvin: It usually is. :P But, with it comes a great learning exprience.
[03:30] <starvinmarvin> Yeha that's true.
[03:30] <Kr4t05> That's why I love Linux. It really lets me learn exactly how my computer works.
[03:30] <starvinmarvin> Every time I finish a chapter, I feel as if I found 10 more libraries.
[03:31] <Kr4t05> Heh
[03:31] <Kr4t05> Alright, then... I was wonder if someone could help me with my little project, then.
[03:31] <Kr4t05> I have two machines, a desktop and a laptop.
[03:32] <Kr4t05> The desktop (the machine I'm using right now)  is connected to the internet via a wired connection to my DSL router.
[03:32] <Kr4t05> I want to use the Wireless adapter connected to the desktop to share my connection with the laptop, which has a wireless card installed as well.
[03:33] <Kr4t05> I've already done some of the work, but I'm a bit lost...
[03:34] <starvinmarvin> Now he's really lost.
[03:40] <dawiz> man these channels suck
[03:40] <dawiz> why are linux users such ***holes
[03:40] <starvinmarvin> why what happened?
[03:40] <dawiz> i was in the ndiswrapper room
[03:40] <dawiz> lol
[03:41] <dawiz> no one would help me
[03:41] <dawiz> the bot said read the wiki
[03:41] <dawiz> no shit
[03:41] <dawiz> lol
[03:41] <starvinmarvin> haha
[03:41] <dawiz> i was like why are you here if you dont want to help anyone
[03:41] <dawiz> they banned me
[03:41] <dawiz> there was one person in the room and he refused to help me
[03:41] <dawiz> lol
[03:42] <starvinmarvin> They probably didn't know how.
[03:42] <dawiz> its the ndiswrapper room
[03:42] <dawiz> i told him the channel was a waste of memory
[03:42] <starvinmarvin> and this is the xubuntu room
[03:42] <dawiz> lol
[03:43] <dawiz> why is their a ndiswrapper room if not to help ppl?
[03:44] <dawiz> so far ive founf that the online linux community is a bunch of stuck up geeks
[03:44] <zoredache_> perhaps the talk about development there
[03:44] <dawiz> he said it was for help
[03:44] <dawiz> wtf
[03:44] <Kr4t05> dawiz: Not all Linux uses.
[03:44] <Kr4t05> users*
[03:44] <dawiz> no not all
[03:44] <dawiz> its seems the cool ones can never know
[03:44] <dawiz> tho
[03:45] <dawiz> nice nix users can never help me with my issues
[03:45] <zoredache> you realise that your average computer guru completely lacks social skills right?
[03:45] <zoredache> it isn't that they can't help you, they just arn't patient enough, or care enough about you to try
[03:46] <zoredache> as for me.  I refuse to play around with ndiswrapper.  I just went the easy way and purchased an adapter that actually is natively supported
[03:49] <Kr4t05> dawiz: What's your problem?
[03:49] <Jester45> ok im back
[03:49] <Kr4t05> (With wireless, that is)
[03:49] <starvinmarvin> haha
[03:50] <Jester45> and i didnt read all the histroy but... dawiz people use their computers and leave the irc client open at the same time
[03:50] <xjkx> how many extended partitions can i have
[03:50] <Kr4t05> While I'm certainly no noob, I do know how to deal with people.
[03:50] <zoredache> xjkx: 1
[03:50] <starvinmarvin> 1
[03:50] <starvinmarvin> darn
[03:50] <xjkx> :s
[03:50] <zoredache> you can can have lots of logical partition within an extended partition
[03:51] <starvinmarvin> That was going to be my first right answer.
[03:51] <Jester45> we are volunteers and most of the helpers are nerdy so we use computers alot i spend more than 9 hours a day on one so im often doing something else but if i check back every 5 mins and see a question i know i can help if i dont know the answer or dont look then i just stay quite
[03:52] <xjkx> i have an extendes already, but i created it too small :S
[03:52] <xjkx> extended*
[03:52] <xjkx> cant i enlargue it?
[03:52] <zoredache> I see, why didn't you just make one big partition and put it all in lvm?
[03:53] <Jester45> and starvinmarvin you need to mount the harddrive once in the live cd and then edit the grub confnig
[03:53] <zoredache> logical volumes inside a lvm partion can be resized
[03:53] <Jester45> zoredache, because its not as redundant or versitile
[03:54] <zoredache> not as redundant as what?
[03:54] <Jester45> xjkx, you might be able to inlarge... i dont thin ext3 can be and thats what you probly used
[03:54] <Jester45> zoredache, as real diffrent partitions
[03:56] <zoredache> ext3 can be enlarged...
[03:57] <zoredache> but he was talking about an extended partition, not a partition that was ext3 if I understood him correclty
[04:03] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[04:03] <Kr4t05> I can't figure this out...
[04:07] <Jester45> Kr4t05, whats your problem
[04:07] <Kr4t05> Jester45: I'm trying to share my ethernet connection via wireless.
[04:08] <dawiz> whats arong kr4?
[04:08] <Jester45> oo
[04:08] <Kr4t05> I have the desktop (the "server") all set up, but it doesn't seem like the wireless adapter is actually broadcasting.
[04:08] <Jester45> i would say that would need iptables
[04:08] <Kr4t05> I've been following this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/ShareEthernetConnectionThroughWireless
[04:09] <Kr4t05> But, I'm a bit confused by some of it.
[04:09] <Jester45> and is the server linux? and can you use the wireless connected (is it supported/functioning)
[04:09] <Kr4t05> Jester45: That's just it... I'm not sure...
[04:10] <Kr4t05> There aren't any other wireless networks in range for me to connect to.
[04:10] <dawiz> i cant get ndiswrapper to build for nothing
[04:11] <starvinmarvin> And don't even get him started on the ndiswrapper channel.
[04:11] <dawiz> ndiswrapper channel is a waste of memory
[04:11] <starvinmarvin> On the bright side, I'm booting into Windows XP.
[04:11] <dawiz> lol
[04:12] <starvinmarvin> :)
[04:12] <dawiz> im ready to go back to osX
[04:12] <xjkx> Jester45: inside the extended there is a logical which is ext3, but the extendes itself is not formated to anything
[04:12] <Kr4t05> Jester45: Here's a printout of iwconfig on this machine (the desktop): http://pastebin.com/m4cb676a2
[04:13] <Kr4t05> That seems to be in order... But I'm not sure.
[04:13] <Jester45> dawiz, why are you compiling it?
[04:13] <Jester45> why not use the deb?
[04:16] <dawiz> lol
[04:16] <dawiz> im searching for the deb file now
[04:16] <Kr4t05> dawiz: Apt-get?
[04:16] <dawiz> its on a box next to me
[04:16] <dawiz> no connection to it right now
[04:16] <Kr4t05> Oh, wait...
[04:16] <Kr4t05> Duh.
[04:16] <Kr4t05> Brain fart.
[04:16] <dawiz> so everything must dl to this box then burn to cd
[04:16] <dawiz> pita
[04:16] <dawiz> lol
[04:16] <dawiz> ugh
[04:17] <Kr4t05> This is why a flash drive is a Godsend.
[04:17] <dawiz> 'yeah
[04:17] <dawiz> dont have one tho
[04:17] <Kr4t05> Shame.
[04:17] <starvinmarvin> Wow.
[04:17] <starvinmarvin> How is that possible?
[04:17] <Kr4t05> Maybe next time you'll pick one up? :P
[04:17] <dawiz> the box im workin on is celeron mhz
[04:17] <dawiz> 300*
[04:17] <dawiz> 48mb ram
[04:18] <dawiz> 6 gb hd
[04:18] <Kr4t05> 1GB is only $15
[04:18] <dawiz> no nic
[04:18] <starvinmarvin> what are you using it for?
[04:18] <dawiz> yeah i dont have one at home
[04:18] <Kr4t05> Jeeze....
[04:18] <dawiz> a box for my friend
[04:18] <starvinmarvin> General destkop use?
[04:19] <Jester45> dawiz, that box willl not run xubuntu to good unless you cut down on the mem useage
[04:20] <Jester45> or if your using it as a cli only system
[04:20] <Jester45> a hit by me is to add
[04:20] <dawiz> its running fine
[04:20] <Jester45> startxfce4 to each users ~/.bashrc
[04:21] <Jester45> and then remove gdm
[04:21] <dawiz> its just a box to surf the net with
[04:21] <Jester45> so to login they have to use text but it ask login: then passoword and then will start xfce
[04:21] <Jester45> cuts down at least 15 mb
[04:22] <dawiz> yeah
[04:22] <Jester45> and its faster
[04:22] <dawiz> yeah true
[04:23] <dawiz> its not as slow as you would think tho
[04:23] <Jester45> as it doesnt have to load gdm (and that includes come gnome) jsut to get X
[04:23] <dawiz> right
[04:23] <Jester45> o and change the bitdeapth from 24 to 16
[04:23] <dawiz> ill keep those in mind
[04:23] <Jester45> cuts 10-20 mb off of x.org's memory
[04:23] <dawiz> id like to get it online first tho
[04:23] <Jester45> and looks the same
[04:24] <dawiz> bitdeapth huh?
[04:24] <dawiz> by chance know where a wiki is for it?
[04:24] <Jester45> and a 3rd thing that i like is to listen to music via mpd+sonata
[04:24] <dawiz> i like references
[04:24] <ravtux> hi
[04:24] <Jester45> bit depth *
[04:24] <ravtux> I just installed xubuntu
[04:25] <ravtux> love it!
[04:25] <ravtux> but I need some help
[04:25] <ravtux> how do I customize the grub to boot to XP?
[04:25] <Jester45> like on windows it calles it the color like 8 bit(256 colors) 16bit (low color) 32bit(high color)
[04:26] <Jester45> ravtux, i can help you with that if you give me a few minutes to finish what im working on right now
[04:26] <ravtux> Jester45: cool
[04:26] <dawiz> looks like my ip has been banned from the ndiswrapper website
[04:27] <starvinmarvin> hahah
[04:27] <starvinmarvin> You really pissed them off huh?
[04:27] <dawiz> guy was a dick
[04:27] <dawiz> i made to much sense
[04:27] <dawiz> assholes
[04:28] <dawiz> lol
[04:28] <starvinmarvin> Did a bot kick you?
[04:29] <dawiz> i think for language
[04:29] <maxamillion> starvinmarvin: no, i did
[04:29] <dawiz> for what?
[04:29] <maxamillion> dawiz: language
[04:29] <dawiz> lol
[04:29] <dawiz> i know all these virgin ears
[04:29] <maxamillion> dawiz: its an ubuntu CoC thing ... not my rules, i just signed up to defend them :)
[04:29] <Jester45> !language
[04:29] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:29] <starvinmarvin> !language
[04:30] <Jester45> maxamillion, can i get the powers also :)
[04:30] <Jester45> huhu hyper_ch
[04:30] <dawiz> lol
[04:30] <maxamillion> Jester45: i can't give them perminantly ... and i dunno about renegade ops running around
[04:30] <starvinmarvin> maxamillion, I want to create a botnet to destroy all other botnets, can I?
[04:30] <Jester45> renegade... cmon its me
[04:30] <ravtux> Jester45: you ready?
[04:31] <Jester45> starvinmarvin, not on freenode
[04:31] <maxamillion> starvinmarvin: you can try, but i think you would be shutdown before it got far
[04:31] <dawiz> so ubuntu is about some kind of moral oppression?
[04:31] <Jester45> starvinmarvin, chanserv protects it
[04:31] <dawiz> sound like jesusbuntu
[04:31] <dawiz> lol
[04:31] <maxamillion> dawiz: yeah .... go on ubuntu.com and either click on code of conduct or search for it
[04:31] <starvinmarvin> Yeah, i was just joking. I don't even know how to write a script.
[04:31] <dawiz> hmmm
[04:32] <dawiz> im thinkin maybe i shouldnt support ubuntu by using it anymore
[04:32] <dawiz> never had theser moral issues with slack users
[04:32] <Jester45> starvinmarvin, there are pre man ones... all you need is winxp without any service packes or anti-* and go to some pron sites
[04:32] <maxamillion> dawiz: heh ... i haven't run ubuntu in quite some time .... i've been a debian user for almost a decade, tried xubuntu ... really liked it but got fed up with ubuntu's instabilities so i went back to old faithful
[04:32] <starvinmarvin> na, my script kiddie days are over.
[04:33] <starvinmarvin> sub7 ftw!!!
[04:33] <dawiz> i think its pretty obvious pat isnt a nazi moralistic christian type
[04:33] <dawiz> yeah
[04:33] <dawiz> matter of fact
[04:33] <maxamillion> then found openbox and pypanel ... fell in love and haven't touched a traditional desktop environment since (though that will change at my new job :/)
[04:33] <dawiz> im gonna install deb now
[04:33] <Jester45> it isnt here, its just being nice to others
[04:33] <dawiz> i like de's
[04:34] <dawiz> nice to others
[04:34] <dawiz> lol
[04:34] <dawiz> its very rarely ive been treated nice at all in any of these channels
[04:35] <dawiz> but i get messed with for language
[04:35] <maxamillion> dawiz: that's not good :(
[04:35] <dawiz> ive tried to help ppl and have helped many before
[04:35] <maxamillion> dawiz: well, honestly ... i don't mind but i did tag my gpg signature to a document saying i would uphold their CoC inside their channels
[04:35] <dawiz> but ppl tell me to buzz oiff
[04:36] <dawiz> maybe my issues are over their head and they cant help
[04:36] <maxamillion> dawiz: its possible
[04:36] <dawiz> and rather than bring their ego down a level or too they just ban me
[04:36] <dawiz> lol
[04:36] <dawiz> right on
[04:36] <dawiz> only way to learn
[04:37] <maxamillion> there is too much out there to know everything, i think i know a respectable amount ... but i by no means know everything
[04:38] <dawiz> is shuttleworth a nazi fundamentalist christian or something?
[04:38] <starvinmarvin> Speaking of knowing everytihng. I booted my xp box (flawlessly) and attached my pervious linux hard drive as a slave. I can see the hard drive in the device manager, but not in the file system.
[04:39] <Jester45> because xp needs an ext3 driver
[04:39] <maxamillion> dawiz: no, he just believes in a "family friendly" universe
[04:39] <starvinmarvin> how would I go about getting one of them?
[04:39] <dawiz> lol
[04:39] <dawiz> how is that unfamily like?
[04:39] <dawiz> because some ancient christian notion those words are bad
[04:39] <dawiz> ?
[04:39] <dawiz> tahts a lie within itself
[04:39] <starvinmarvin> It's the meaning behind them dawiz
[04:40] <starvinmarvin> You didn't use the word to describe them in a manner that you could generally like to be described as, right?
[04:40] <dawiz> censorship is wrong
[04:40] <dawiz> its unbecoming of what linux stands for
[04:40] <Jester45> starvinmarvin, google for ext3 windows driver, it has a weird website like blah.blah.blah.blah.edu or something like that
[04:40] <dawiz> i dont care if someone describes me as that
[04:40] <starvinmarvin> Jester45: thanks.
[04:41] <dawiz> chances are its because thats what my actions are
[04:41] <starvinmarvin> dawiz: Yeah, me either. I was just playing devil's advocate
[04:41] <zoredache> one of you guys don't happen to know which config file stores the file to application assoications?
[04:41] <dawiz> hmmmm
[04:41] <starvinmarvin> In the back, all the way to the left.
[04:42] <dawiz> back to slack maybe
[04:42] <starvinmarvin> Can't miss it.
[04:42] <dawiz> 12 is out now
[04:42] <dawiz> ubuntu is great cause its less headache
[04:42] <starvinmarvin> is it really?
[04:42] <maxamillion> zoredache: i think it is in ~/.config/Thunar/ somewhere ... but don't quote me on that
[04:42] <Jester45> its good once you get to know it
[04:42] <starvinmarvin> I haven't even tried it.
[04:42] <dawiz> but the community and ppl behind it im really not agreeing with
[04:42] <zoredache> maxamillion: I am looking there and not finding anything...
[04:43] <starvinmarvin> are you behind the windows community?
[04:43] <dawiz> the church of the subgenius may be crazy but at least they wont push ideals on me in their channels
[04:43] <dawiz> whats the difference?
[04:43] <zoredache> I am trying to get setup something so that when I click on a movie it queues it in vlc and doesn't start a new window playing it
[04:43] <starvinmarvin> it's an os not a faction.
[04:43] <dawiz> censorship is something bill would do
[04:43] <Jester45> well this is a smaller community so less knowledge excluding TheSheep #ubuntu has 1000 people more than here so they know more.... but some thinks are xfce specific
[04:43] <starvinmarvin> bill lumberg?
[04:43] <dawiz> bill gates
[04:44] <starvinmarvin> I know.
[04:44] <dawiz> i havent used windows in over 4 years
[04:44] <dawiz> lol
[04:44] <xjkx> who is automounting my devices here? what process
[04:44] <Jester45> that might be thunar thats my guess
[04:44] <Jester45> billy doesnt run ms anymore
[04:44] <xjkx> i almost had my disk over by that
[04:44] <Jester45> he did in the pre nt kernel days
[04:45] <xjkx> over = lost
[04:45] <starvinmarvin> what does he run now?
[04:45] <xjkx> i'd like to disable it, but i'm not uninstalling thunra
[04:45] <xjkx> thunar
[04:52] <Jester45> nothing
[04:52] <Jester45> that i know of
[04:52] <Jester45> his old partner that started MS is running it now
[04:52] <Jester45> and killed it after win2k
[04:52] <Jester45> at least to me
[04:53] <xjkx> you talkinb about bill gates?
[04:53] <xjkx> talking~
[04:54] <starvinmarvin> long live Ext2IFS_1_10c.exe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111one!!eleven
[04:58] <maxamillion> heh ... ok
[05:08] <dawiz> hmmm
[05:08] <dawiz> time to wipe *ubuntu
[05:08] <dawiz> deb seems nice
[05:09] <dawiz> as long as the dependency nightmares arent too bad
[05:13] <xjkx> the i-am-not-sure-what mounts my devices while i am deleting partitions, it fucked me up once i need it to stop :S
[05:14] <xjkx> the other time it gave an error on deleting and then said my table was wrong and didnt list, i had to fdisk it and delete the undone partition
[05:14] <xjkx> it just mounts while must not
[05:15] <xjkx> i am running by the livecd coz i thought it would stop here
[05:15] <xjkx> deleting partitions = with gparted
[05:15] <starvinmarvin> uh oh I feel some !language wrath coming on.
[05:16] <xjkx> why
[05:16] <starvinmarvin> because you swore.
[05:17] <starvinmarvin> You must have missed the VERY /sacasm interesting debate that was going on earlier about swearing in the channel
[05:17] <starvinmarvin> I must be the only sole alive that recalls the ole battle.
[05:18] <xjkx> you mean swearing by that i done an abusive statement?
[05:19] <xjkx> c`mon, i will learn a new word
[05:19] <starvinmarvin> Not sure what the rules are.
[05:20] <starvinmarvin> I don't follow rules anyway, just poke fun at them from time to time.
[05:20] <xjkx> i cant see me swearing
[05:20] <xjkx> even looked up this word in dictionary
[05:20] <starvinmarvin> Meaning what? I can see it right there.
[05:20] <xjkx> the i-am-not-sure-what ?
[05:20] <starvinmarvin> yeah
[05:20] <xjkx> lol
[05:21] <xjkx> i didnt mean what you think, i really meant what i wrote
[05:21] <xjkx> i am trying to figure what it is, that is mounting
[05:21] <starvinmarvin> no, several words later
[05:21] <xjkx> aaaaaw
[05:21] <starvinmarvin> partitions, it f#%#ed
[05:21] <xjkx> now i see ?P
[05:21] <starvinmarvin> lord
[05:21] <starvinmarvin> that took way too long
[05:22] <xjkx> i didnt feel like doing, it just came out
 the i-am-not-sure-what mounts my devices while i am deleting partitions, it fucked me up once i need it to stop :S
[05:22] <Jester45> there is an un wanted f word
[05:22] <starvinmarvin> haha
[05:22] <xjkx> sorry about that
[05:22] <starvinmarvin> you said it
[05:22] <xjkx> but it was good, the bad f word, because i learnt a new word with s
[05:22] <Jester45> i didnt "say" anything
[05:23] <Jester45> i copied
[05:23] <starvinmarvin> copy cat
[05:25] <xjkx> i found it, it was thunar and in advance option i can disable device managment or something, thanks for your guess Jester45
[05:28] <xjkx> my tip is that you all should do it if you are partitionning with gparted, remember that and your disk will be fine
[06:18] <Kr4t05> Wow, compositing in XFCE is some neat stuff.
[06:19] <Kr4t05> But, how about some transparent panels?
[06:19] <Kr4t05> Oh! Wait! They ARE transparent! SWEET!
[06:19] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs hey'
[06:20] <Ben_Cs> Hey
[06:20] <Ben_Cs> u got lucky, just woke up :)
[06:21] <The-Kernel> nice, so hows the problem going?
[06:22] <Ben_Cs> well, no disconnections yet, as far as i notice
[06:23] <Ben_Cs> maybe it was WinXP that "saved power" by shutting down the ethernet card...
[06:23] <The-Kernel> possibly
[06:24] <The-Kernel> hey did anyone see - * zoredache_ (n=zoredach@pdpc/supporter/active/zoredache) has joined #xubuntu
[06:24] <The-Kernel> * zoredache has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[06:24] <The-Kernel> or was that just me?
[06:24] <Ben_Cs> yeh, saw it
[06:24] <The-Kernel> wow
[06:25] <The-Kernel> zoredache is like a god of computers
[06:25] <The-Kernel> he's a pretty smart guy, always has an answer for your questions
[06:25] <Ben_Cs> really
[06:25] <Ben_Cs> ?
[06:25] <The-Kernel> yes
[06:25] <The-Kernel> I don't get why he's in here though
[06:26] <Ben_Cs> were do u know him from, then?
[06:27] <The-Kernel> he is my former mentor
[06:27] <The-Kernel> in computers that is
[06:28] <Ben_Cs> you know him in real life or from the net?
[06:28] <The-Kernel> net
[06:29] <Ben_Cs> ok
[06:35] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: what's the main difference between BSD an Linux? (except that BSD is unix and not linux)?
[06:36] <The-Kernel> not much
[06:36] <The-Kernel> different syntax
[06:36] <The-Kernel> different kernel
[06:36] <The-Kernel> some different commands
[06:36] <The-Kernel> it is a bit more powerful the linux
[06:36] <The-Kernel> in its abilities
[06:37] <The-Kernel> but if you don't figure out how to properly utilize it, it won't do you any good, RTFM!!!
[06:37] <Ben_Cs> so it's just " unix is better then linux" thingy?
[06:37] <The-Kernel> that's what they say
[06:37] <The-Kernel> not really
[06:37] <The-Kernel> usually people with BSD don
[06:37] <The-Kernel> t call themselves better
[06:37] <The-Kernel> just more powerful
[06:38] <Ben_Cs> how's BSD differenet from other versions of unix, ie: solaris?
[06:38] <The-Kernel> BSD is also completely "Made in the USA"
[06:39] <The-Kernel> not too sure, I havn't used Solaris so I would know the differences
[06:39] <Ben_Cs> and that's important because...?
[06:39] <The-Kernel> Its something we can call our own
[06:39] <The-Kernel> :P
[06:39] <The-Kernel> sometimes that's all that matters
[06:40] <Ben_Cs> i can't deside wether to try freebsd or opensolaris (on virtual machine on xubuntu) ?
[06:41] <Ben_Cs> solaris is the best unix isn't it?
[06:43] <The-Kernel> no
[06:43] <The-Kernel> Go with BSD
[06:43] <The-Kernel> its more commonly used
[06:43] <The-Kernel> and then Solaris, both are very good to know
[06:44] <Ben_Cs> btw, is there a difference i'll notice, between linux and unix, except for some extra commands in shell?
[06:45] <The-Kernel> yeah
[06:45] <The-Kernel> you will\
[06:46] <Ben_Cs> what's the most commonly used unix for servers? solaris, bsd, something else?
[06:47] <[hans] > Forgive me, I'm a bit new to IRC
[06:47] <[hans] > I'm looking for help installing Xubuntu on an old laptop
[06:47] <[hans] > I have a few questions
[06:48] <Ben_Cs> [hans] : don't ask to ask. just ask the questions :)
[06:48] <[hans] > (Asked to see if there was actually anybody here ;) )
[06:49] <[hans] > We'd like to install Xubuntu on an old Gateway laptop of a friend's. He's got 128MB of RAM.
[06:49] <Ben_Cs> what cpu?
[06:49] <[hans] > Celeron
[06:49] <Ben_Cs> mhz?
[06:50] <[hans] > Not sure. He was "running" XP Pro on it
[06:50] <The-Kernel> [hans]  it should work fine, just use the alt cd to install it
[06:51] <[hans] > The FAQ says the system needs 128MB to run, !92MB to install, and between 64-128MB once installed
[06:51] <[hans] > The "alt cd" as opposed to the desktop cd?
[06:52] <[hans] > Got it downloading. What's the difference between the two?
[06:53] <Ben_Cs> [hans] :the alt cd installs without gui
[06:54] <Ben_Cs> you have to install gui manually later on
[06:54] <[hans] > Alright, how do I do that? Do you have a link?
[06:55] <Ben_Cs> after you install the alt cd u: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[06:56] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: isn't there a normal opensolaris version? i see only developer versions and other solaris based OS on opensolaris site
[06:57] <[hans] > ok. I doubt it'll have his wireless drivers installed, but we can patch in. Thanks.
[06:58] <Ben_Cs> np
[06:59] <The-Kernel> ?
[06:59] <The-Kernel> [hans]  the alt cd installs gui with it, there should be no problem there
[07:04] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: thought the alt cd is more like the server cd
[07:04] <The-Kernel> no
[07:05] <The-Kernel> it just installs it via CLI and not a live cd
[07:05] <The-Kernel> it has everything else needed
[07:07] <Ben_Cs> i see
[07:08] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: still wondering wether is should waste my time on learning bsd, opensolaris, or will Gentoo be more usefull for me?
[07:09] <The-Kernel> Why are you learning them?
[07:11] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: hoping to be sysadmin some day
[07:11] <Ben_Cs> so gotta be familiar with heavy unix/linux distros
[07:12] <The-Kernel> In this order, BSD. Gentoo, Solaris
[07:13] <[hans] > The-Kernel: Thanks :)
[07:14] <Ben_Cs> you saying lots of servers run bsd?
[07:14] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: what distro do u recommend? freebsd, openbsd etc...?
[07:15] <The-Kernel> FreeBSD
[07:16] <The-Kernel> Benny, do you plan on going to college? Or are you going to college? or did you go to college?
[07:16] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i'm in college. going to 2'nd year
[07:17] <Ben_Cs> in college i have centos
[07:17] <The-Kernel> so a Community College?
[07:17] <The-Kernel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_%28operating_system%29
[07:19] <The-Kernel> what kind of computer classes do they offer
[07:20] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: don't quite get your question. can u refraze?
[07:22] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: if i get you right: first 2 years mostly math, algorithms, c++ and a little bit of linux. 3rd year: java, sysadmin, image processing etc.
[07:23] <The-Kernel> oh..
[07:23] <The-Kernel> so its a 4 year college
[07:23] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs WHICH COLLEGE IS IT
[07:24] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel:3 year actually. it's in Israel
[07:24] <The-Kernel> !!
[07:24] <The-Kernel> ah
[07:24] <The-Kernel> I have no idea what kind of system you use there
[07:24] <The-Kernel> what are your degree's called?
[07:24] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: B. Sc.
[07:25] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i know my dad (is sys-admin) has solaris in work
[07:25] <The-Kernel> no idea what that is but ok
[07:25] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: B. Science.
[07:25] <The-Kernel> OH
[07:25] <The-Kernel> Bachelor in Science
[07:25] <The-Kernel> ok
[07:25] <The-Kernel> yeah that usually takes us 4 years to get here
[07:27] <The-Kernel> 2 years, A.S, 4 years, B.S., 6 Years, M.S., 8 years, doctorate
[07:27] <[hans] > They might do it year round with no summer break
[07:27] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: been thinking. is it worth the head-ache of bsd, or is it better to get into the guts of xubuntu-debian
[07:27] <Ben_Cs> ?
[07:27] <[hans] > I had a school like that
[07:28] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs learn it fully, move on to the lext, that's what I did and it's serving me well
[07:29] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: think you're right. cause if u know one distro inside-out, then the others are pretty similar, right?
[07:30] <The-Kernel> somewhat
[07:31] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: what unix/linux do u usually use? you being in this channel means you use xubuntu most comonly?
[07:31] <The-Kernel> slackware
[07:32] <Ben_Cs> y?
[07:32] <Ben_Cs> thought Gentoo is the experts choice
[07:32] <The-Kernel> be cause it has you configure EVERY FRIKING THING!!!
[07:32] <The-Kernel> Gentoo takes to long
[07:34] <Ben_Cs> in Gentoo there's no packagin system right? you compile everything from src?
[07:34] <lphst> Ben_Cs: true.
[07:35] <lphst> Ben_Cs: what packaging system does slackware usE?
[07:36] <lphst> The-Kernel: what packaging system does slackware usE?
[07:36] <The-Kernel> tarbalz
[07:36] <The-Kernel> I'm out
[07:36] <Ben_Cs> lphst: so how do u keep track of software updates?
[07:37] <rici> personally i find freebsd really easy
[07:38] <lphst> Ben_Cs: not sure, by luck i guess? :D
[07:39] <Ben_Cs> lphst: you have to read everyday posts of soft news? frustrating isn't it?
[07:43] <lphst> yeah.
[07:50] <[hans] > Hey, my friend is having problems with his CD drive - how do you do a net install?
[07:57] <xjkx> i'd like to add xubuntu to my lilo...how do i do it? it has like MANY options :p
[08:00] <Ben_Cs> xjkx: sorry, don't know. using grub.
[08:00] <xjkx> :p
[08:01] <xjkx> i liked grub, before it didnt want to load slackware
[08:04] <Ben_Cs> xjkx: used lilo many years ago with redhat. so don't remember
[08:05] <xjkx> Ben_Cs, can you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[08:06] <Ben_Cs> one sec
[08:41] <Surger> !repos
[08:41] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[08:42] <Ben_Cs> !deb
[08:42] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[08:42] <Ben_Cs> !debian
[08:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[08:42] <Ben_Cs> !gentoo
[08:42] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[08:42] <Surger> How do I find what repository a package is in?
[08:42] <Ben_Cs> ah, thought it'll be more informative
[08:43] <Ben_Cs> Surger: try searching ubuntu repos in ubuntu site
[08:43] <Surger> Ok
[08:44] <Ben_Cs> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:44] <Ben_Cs> u can search there in different repos
[08:44] <Surger> Ta
[09:10] <anonymouse> hi anyone can help me?
[09:16] <TheSheep> !ask anonymouse
[09:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask anonymouse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:16] <TheSheep> !ask | anonymouse
[09:16] <ubotu> anonymouse: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:17] <anonymouse> oh..
[09:17] <anonymouse> i got xuuntu installed the first time around without problems
[09:18] <TheSheep> that's horrible!
[09:18] <TheSheep> we have to fix it in the next release! ;)
[09:18] <anonymouse> :O
[09:18] <anonymouse> =-O
[09:18] <anonymouse> well....my brother accidentally installed something else on top, things got screwed.
[09:19] <anonymouse> format and try to reinstall xubuntu but the problem is, i get stuck at the partitioning part
[09:19] <anonymouse> ext2 and ext3 fail
[09:19] <TheSheep> anonymouse: ah, disable volume management in thunar in the live cd
[09:20] <TheSheep> anonymouse: thunar->edit->preferences->advanced->volume manager
[09:21] <anonymouse> how to get to thunar?
[09:24] <anonymouse> i click on the installer and go thru 7 steps
[09:26] <TheSheep> anonymouse: just open any directory
[09:26] <TheSheep> anonymouse: the window that appears is thunar
[09:27] <TheSheep> anonymouse: the unmount all paritions before starting the installer
[09:28] <TheSheep> anonymouse: the problem is that thunar's volume manager automatically mounts these partitions, and then the installer can't format them
[09:28] <anonymouse> ok
[09:28] <magic_ninja> man my inet is acting wierd, running really slow and such
[09:28] <magic_ninja> over 5 minutes and still hasn't loaded google.com
[09:28] <anonymouse> so his means my windows xp will be gone?
[09:30] <TheSheep> anonymouse: no, unless you explicitly delete it
[09:30] <TheSheep> anonymouse: which is always an open option, of course ;)
[09:30] <magic_ninja> something is screwey here
[09:30] <anonymouse> hmmm
[09:31] <anonymouse> okay so in file manager i see ubuntu, trash, desktop, file system and 29g volume
[09:31] <anonymouse> i just unmount 29g volume
[09:31] <anonymouse> then start the installer again?
[09:31] <TheSheep> anonymouse: unmount them all, it's not formatting
[09:32] <TheSheep> (well, you cannot unmount trash or the cd)
[09:33] <anonymouse> i'm running on the live cd
[09:33] <anonymouse> so file system should be a ramdisk, rite?
[09:33] <magic_ninja> ok i got some info, on msn i can recieve messages
[09:33] <magic_ninja> but not send them
[09:33] <anonymouse> and i just need to unmount 29g
[09:33] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: are you getting any of these messages
[09:34] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: I'd rather bite my head off than use msn
[09:35] <TheSheep> anonymouse: actually with live cd the main filesystem is a kind of a funny merge of your ram and cd rom
[09:35] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: well its a test, i'm getting mass timeout that indicatates mass packetloss
[09:35] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: use mtr Luke
[09:35] <magic_ninja> mtr luke?
[09:35] <TheSheep> !info mtr
[09:35] <ubotu> mtr: Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.71-2 (feisty), package size 46 kB, installed size 160 kB
[09:36] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: i can't get it its timing out
[09:36] <anonymouse> ok....unmounting everything!
[09:37] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: could it be because of ipv6
[09:38] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: use ip numbers, not domain names
[09:39] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: do you mind if i do the trace on your ip (if not thats fine just want an ez to get ip)
[09:39] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: nvm got one
[09:39] <anonymouse> LOL...i can't unmount file system....i guess i am ready to go
[09:40] <TheSheep> anonymouse: you can't unmount if there is some program running and has any file in there opened
[09:41] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: its working fine i think its just going so slow its timing out, thinking it might be a problem with ipv6 just had a new connection installed
[09:41] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: need to disable ipv6 but i can't look up how
[09:42] <anonymouse> xubuntu dun have terminal to plonk in cheat codes for the installatio?
[09:42] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: edit /etc/modules/blacklist and add 'blacklist ipv6' in there
[09:42] <magic_ninja> now its working fine, wierd
[09:42] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: probably your dns was down
[09:43] <magic_ninja> thats what i was thinking
[09:43] <magic_ninja> i changed my default dns server and it worked fine
[09:43] <magic_ninja> alright ty sheep, tell me right after i fix it lol
[09:43] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: sheep: 23 ninja: 1
[09:44] <anonymouse> okay i am at the partition manager screen
[09:45] <anonymouse> which is better guided 54% or guided entire disk?
[09:46] <TheSheep> anonymouse: no idea, I haven't seen the new installer yet
[09:47] <anonymouse> i think i will go for entire disk
[09:48] <magic_ninja> anon
[09:48] <anonymouse> ya?
[09:48] <magic_ninja> if you are having problems, see if you can create another partition at the end of the disk and back your data up into that
[09:48] <magic_ninja> or try to apt-get qtparted and do it with that
[09:49] <magic_ninja> at least if you format it you won't loose your data
[09:49] <anonymouse> i dun need to backup anything just want xubuntu 7.04 to work
[09:50] <anonymouse> there is almost nothing to do on the livecd except install
[09:50] <TheSheep> anonymouse: wait, let me get one thing
[09:50] <TheSheep> anonymouse: your brother installed windows, and now the boot menu is gone
[09:50] <TheSheep> anonymouse: right?
[09:50] <TheSheep> anonymouse: you can get the menu back without reinstalling the whole thing
[09:50] <TheSheep> !grub
[09:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:51] <anonymouse> nope
[09:51] <anonymouse> that was a few formats back
[09:51] <TheSheep> argh
[09:52] <magic_ninja> format the whole disk then lol, sounds like your beat
[09:52] <anonymouse> i dunno why using disk managers wasn't working so i use windows xp installer cd, installed windows xp on fat32 then if can multiboot to xubuntu even better
[09:52] <magic_ninja> anonymouse: winxp just has to be on the first partition of the drive
[09:53] <anonymouse> wish me luck the partitioner is working
[09:54] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: what if you want to have multiple windows xp installed?
[09:54] <anonymouse> i mean doing its thing
[09:55] <tuxcrafte1> hello guys, i forgot the command were I can set up my default email and Internet browser, can somebody enlighten me again? :-D
[09:56] <TheSheep> tuxcrafte1: settings->preferred applications
[09:56] <tuxcrafte1> TheSheep: i was looking for the commandline tool
[09:57] <TheSheep> tuxcrafte1: I don't know any, you just create a bunch of text files
[09:57] <tuxcrafte1> the preferred applications tool does not work here
[09:58] <TheSheep> tuxcrafte1: well, it works in xubuntu
[09:58] <anonymouse> fingers crossed :P
[09:58] <tuxcrafte1> not here
[09:59] <TheSheep> tuxcrafte1: something must be broken :)
[09:59] <tuxcrafte1> TheSheep: the last 3 releases it did not work by me and they were all fresh installs
[10:00] <tuxcrafte1> I alsways fixed this with the commandline tool
[10:00] <tuxcrafte1> but i forgot the name of it
[10:00] <anonymouse> creating ext3
[10:00] <TheSheep> hmm...
[10:00] <anonymouse> partition #2
[10:00] <TheSheep> tuxcrafte1: update-alternatives ?
[10:00] <anonymouse> fingers crossed
[10:03] <tuxcrafte1> TheSheep: yes there it is
[10:04] <tuxcrafte1> sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[10:04] <tuxcrafte1> perfect
[10:04] <tuxcrafte1> know it works again
[10:08] <anonymouse> mmmm it seems to be installing :-D
[10:11] <tuxcrafte1> TheSheep: thanks for the heads up got my system back to normal again
[10:11] <Ben_Cs> i'm going to install debian with xfce, for testing on a virtual machine :)
[10:11] <anonymouse> do the function keys work in xubuntu?
[10:11] <TheSheep> anonymouse: yes
[10:12] <TheSheep> for any value of "work"
[10:14] <anonymouse> i just need it to be able to shoot the vga out to the projector
[10:15] <TheSheep> !xinerama
[10:15] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[10:16] <anonymouse> doesn't sound like something i need, just shoot my presentation out from impress
[10:16] <anonymouse> to the company projector
[10:20] <anonymouse> 74%
[10:21] <anonymouse> sheep u there?
[10:23] <TheSheep> anonymouse: yes, sorry, was afk
[10:23] <anonymouse> the xinerama doesn
[10:24] <anonymouse> doesnt sound like something for me
[10:24] <anonymouse> anything else?
[10:25] <anonymouse> 90%
[10:33] <TheSheep> anonymouse: you can check if it just work :)
[10:34] <anonymouse> ok
[10:35] <anonymouse> restarting the computer, fingers crossed :)
[10:39] <anonymouse> grub seems to be working
[10:39] <anonymouse> lets see it loads or not
[10:42] <anonymouse> woohoo!
[10:42] <anonymouse> i'm in the desktop!
[10:42] <anonymouse> sheep? help me config the wifi
[10:48] <TheSheep> !wifi | anonymouse
[10:48] <ubotu> anonymouse: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:49] <TheSheep> anonymouse: personally I have no experience with wifi
[10:53] <anonymouse> hmmm
[10:53] <anonymouse> eth0 working trying wifi now
[10:54] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: i forgot, what OS do u run?
[10:55] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: should I list them all? :)
[10:55] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: most commonly used one?
[10:55] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: xubuntu
[10:56] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: list em all :)
[10:57] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: pld linux, arch linux, open bsd, solaris, digital unix, windows xp, windows 2000 server, windows 2003 server, dos
[10:57] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: in order of frequency of use
[10:57] <anonymouse> thru vmware?
[10:57] <TheSheep> anonymouse: no, mostly on various servers at work
[10:57] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep:never heard of pld linux
[10:58] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: polish distribution
[10:58] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: by admins for admins, pretty advanced
[10:58] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: polish of what distro?
[10:58] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: polish as in developed in Poland
[10:58] <Ben_Cs> ok
[10:58] <Ben_Cs> you Polish?
[10:59] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: yes
[10:59] <Ben_Cs> ok :)
[11:00] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: don't want the headache of gentoo?
[11:01] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: I tried it, but it seems to be artifically made complicated
[11:01] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: so that people can boast
[11:01] <anonymouse> i'm using add/remove applications now....is it apt-get?
[11:01] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: and debian?
[11:01] <TheSheep> anonymouse: it uses apt-get under the hood, apt-get itself is a commandline tool
[11:02] <anonymouse> ok....i guess n00bs like me needs programs like that :P
[11:02] <Ben_Cs> anonymouse: synaptic is more advanced that add/remove
[11:02] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: debian's nice, forgot to mention it :)
[11:02] <TheSheep> anonymouse: synaptic is more powerful
[11:03] <Ben_Cs> anonymouse: add/remove is good for finding very comonly used apps and installing them
[11:03] <anonymouse> where to get synaptc
[11:04] <Ben_Cs> anonymouse: it's pre-installed
[11:04] <anonymouse> xubuntu uses xfce so i dun need to download anything for kde/gnome, rite?
[11:05] <Ben_Cs> anonymouse: u don't need to, but u can use kde/gnome apps if u want to
[11:05] <anonymouse> i think all i am missing now is getting my smc wifi card to work
[11:06] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: Is arch a base distro or is it built on another distr?
[11:07] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it's made from scratch I think
[11:07] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it's very straightforward and simple
[11:07] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: what's the package binaries format pacman uses?
[11:08] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: tar.gz
[11:09] <TheSheep> with some additional information for dependencies, but I don't know the details
[11:09] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: so u don't need repositories for arch? you just download the source and give it to pacman?
[11:10] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: no, there are repositiories, and the packages contain compiled programs
[11:10] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: there is just no special archive format for them
[11:10] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: and the repositories are simple ftp sites
[11:10] <Ben_Cs> i see
[11:11] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: Arch's motto is "don't make it more complicated than it is"
[11:11] <TheSheep> or something to that effect
[11:11] <anonymouse> problem
[11:11] <TheSheep> anonymouse: do tell
[11:12] <anonymouse> i think i got the card to work, all the leds are on and bright
[11:13] <anonymouse> but where do i go if i want it to search for hot spots?
[11:13] <TheSheep> anonymouse: your university probably has some
[11:13] <TheSheep> anonymouse: there are also often some in libraries
[11:14] <TheSheep> anonymouse: and in cafes
[11:14] <anonymouse> no i mean the program in xubuntu
[11:15] <TheSheep> anonymouse: try 'iwlist' or 'iwspy' in termina;
[11:15] <TheSheep> l
[11:17] <TheSheep> anonymouse: I think you can isntall apps like wifiradar or network manager
[11:17] <TheSheep> anonymouse: taht have gui for this
[11:18] <anonymouse> ok i find in synaptics
[11:20] <anonymouse> linux programs are small
[11:23] <anonymouse> after install...where do i find it?
[11:24] <TheSheep> anonymouse: I think it should appear in your menu under system
[11:24] <TheSheep> anonymouse: if not, yuo can select properties in synaptics and see the list of installed files
[11:27] <anonymouse> sorry i am back
[11:27] <anonymouse> i dun see anything exra in system
[11:29] <TheSheep> anonymouse: try just typing the name of the application in the terminal
[11:30] <anonymouse> system lockup :(
[11:33] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: does the:  '    sign in command line mean something special? when i have that sign in a file name, and i execute a command with that name, the command doesn't execute and the line jumps to the next with the sight > at beginning of line
[11:33] <Ben_Cs> WTF?
[11:33] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: quote
[11:33] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it gives you a continuation of previous line
[11:34] <Ben_Cs> so if my ipod's name has   the sign '   i can't unmount it?
[11:34] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: escape that ' with \
[11:34] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: write \'
[11:34] <Ben_Cs> ok
[11:35] <Ben_Cs> great
[11:35] <Ben_Cs> thanks
[11:35] <Ben_Cs> one amarok problem solved then :)
[11:35] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: if you press tab it hsould complete the file name
[11:36] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: what's the difference between eject and umount BTW?
[11:36] <anonymouse> i was at network i select roaming mode
[11:36] <anonymouse> then it locked up
[11:36] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: eject opens the tray
[11:36] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: but with ipod?
[11:37] <anonymouse> roaming mode is enabled now but there is no tick next to its icon unlike my wired connection (ethernet)
[11:37] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: :P
[11:37] <anonymouse> i still dun get any prompts to choose a wireless network
[11:38] <TheSheep> anonymouse: I really don't know, have you read the wifi docs?
[11:38] <anonymouse> i'm a noob dun understand most of it
[11:38] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: I guess the ipod doesn't have a try...
[11:39] <TheSheep> :\
[11:39] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: ok, tried umounting the ipod. doesn't do a complete unmount. device is still signaling busy. eject does the trick though. conclusion: use eject instead of umount when possible. right?
[11:40] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: eject is a convenience script that does unmount and then some additional things depending on the device
[11:40] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: I guess it's a good idea to use eject
[11:41] <Ben_Cs> yup
[11:41] <Ben_Cs> agree
[11:41] <Ben_Cs> :)
[11:42] <anonymouse> :-X
[11:43] <Ben_Cs> gksu is graphical root login right?
[11:43] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: not login, it runs program as root, just like usdo
[11:43] <TheSheep> duso
[11:43] <TheSheep> sudo
[11:43] <TheSheep> argh
[11:44] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: so what's the difference between sudo and gksu?
[11:45] <TheSheep> gksu has graphical password prompt and knows how to set some X-related variables so thet graphical programs work fine
[11:46] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: the question is, that if in a gui prog i write a command to be executed that has "sudo", it gets sruck cause it expects password from comandline right? si i thought gksu will make it want the password from gui = a gui password prompt
[11:46] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: yes
[11:50] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: well when i add in amarok post disconnection command: gksu eject /media/BENJAMIN\'S      the ipod isn't ejected (i don't get password prompt). only command in CLI     sudo eject /media/BENJAMIN\'S does the job. what's wrong then?
[11:52] <Ben_Cs> btw writing in CLI:  gksu eject /media/BENJAMIN\'S      doesn't prompt for password aswell and again the ipod isn't ejected
[11:52] <Ben_Cs> any ideas?
[11:53] <TheSheep> no
[11:53] <Ben_Cs> can sudo work from gui app?
[11:54] <Ben_Cs> weird! sudo did work from there
[11:54] <Ben_Cs> how come it doesn't need password....
[11:54] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: that's because it didn't have to ask for password
[11:55] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: alas, if you just include your ipod in fstab and add 'user' or 'users' to the options, any user can mount and unmount it
[11:57] <Ben_Cs>  someone told me to do: gpasswd -a [your username]  plugdev
[11:57] <Ben_Cs> brb
[11:58] <Ben_Cs> am back
[11:58] <Ben_Cs> so do u think that command lets me eject devices without sudo?
[12:00] <Ben_Cs> The-Sheep: well that command didn't help. still seems sudo does the trick
[12:00] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: I think that ubuntu doesn't use plugdev
[12:00] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: btw, if the device was mounted with gui, you should be able to unmount it as user
[12:01] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: it was mounted automatically
[12:01] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: then you should be able to unmount it as user
[12:02] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: when i try without sudo, i get failure - not root
[12:03] <Ben_Cs> nevermind as long as sudo does the job from amarok
[12:03] <TheSheep> using sudo for non-root task is ugly
[12:04] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: but when i dont i getumount: /media/BENJAMIN'S is not in the fstab (and you are not root)
[12:04] <Ben_Cs> eject: unmount of `/media/BENJAMIN'S' failed
[12:04] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: that's because it use pmount
[12:05] <Ben_Cs> what's pmount?
[12:05] <TheSheep>        pmount - mount arbitrary hotpluggable devices as normal user
[12:05] <TheSheep> there is also pumount
[12:06] <Ben_Cs> but i need eject
[12:06] <Ben_Cs> The program 'pmount' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[12:06] <Ben_Cs> sudo apt-get install pmount
[12:06] <Ben_Cs> so it doesn't use pmount after all
[12:08] <TheSheep> then it mounts it using hal
[12:09] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: did you see thunar's volume manager?
[12:09] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: I think it does automatically what you are trying to script
[12:09] <Ben_Cs> lemme check
[12:09] <TheSheep> thunar -> edit -> prefernces -> advanced
[12:10] <anonymouse> it isn't working :(
[12:10] <Ben_Cs> enable volume managment is checked
[12:11] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: you can configure it to run specified program when you connect your ipod
[12:11] <Ben_Cs> nope, right click and unmount doesn't do the trick
[12:11] <Ben_Cs> program like what?
[12:12] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: music player, maybe?
[12:12] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: ok but that isn't very important
[12:12] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: right click and unmount won't work if you mounted it manually as root
[12:13] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: i didn't. it mounted automatically
[12:14] <TheSheep> !info gtkpod
[12:14] <ubotu> gtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.8-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 528 kB, installed size 2220 kB
[12:14] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: nevermind. the job gets done, it's what important
[12:15] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: yeh it's installed
[12:15] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: but it nly works because you have enterd you password in sudo before
[12:15] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: could be
[12:15] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: because sudo only asks for passowrd once in a while
[12:15] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: but everything else doen't do the job
[12:16] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: you can add the ipod to your fstab with 'users' option
[12:17] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: then it can be mounted/unmounted by users
[12:17] <TheSheep> !fstab
[12:17] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[12:17] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: i tought fstab is mounting devices automatically on startup
[12:18] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: not if you add 'noauto'
[12:20] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: ok. i'm off to eat. then i'll read the manual ubotu refered to. then i'll be back
[12:20] <Ben_Cs> thanks
[01:23] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: still here?
[01:37] <Ben_Cs> Jester45:      /dev/disk/by-label/BENJAMIN'S /media/ipod auto noauto,user,rw,sync 0 0
[01:38] <Ben_Cs> doesn't mount the ipod. it's ignored
[01:38] <Jester45> you have noauto
[01:38] <Ben_Cs> and ipod is mounted to default place
[01:38] <Ben_Cs> Jester45: yes. i don't want ipod mounted on system start
[01:38] <Ben_Cs> i want it plug&play
[01:41] <Ben_Cs> Jester45: what i try to accomplish, is that ipod is mounted automatically on plugin but will be able to eject it without sudo
[01:41] <Ben_Cs> ideas?
[01:42] <Jester45> let it mount via thunar but have a symbloic link from the normal mount place to the want you want
[01:43] <Jester45> that way when it is mounted it will also be at /media/ippd
[01:43] <Jester45> a bit hackish
[01:44] <Ben_Cs> Jester45: ok i don't mind it being mounted to /media/BENJAMIN'S     but i want to be able to eject it without sudo
[01:44] <Jester45> humm
[01:44] <Jester45> i say just pull it out but i have to get ready for school im 20 mins late
[01:45] <Ben_Cs> Jester45: ok
[01:45] <Ben_Cs> thnx
[01:45] <Ben_Cs> bye
[01:45] <nikolam> hello
[01:46] <nikolam> Did anyone manage to make skype work in xubuntu 7.04?
[01:46] <Ben_Cs> nikolam: yes
[01:46] <nikolam> I found tutorial on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432295 but it doesnt work for me :(
[01:47] <Ben_Cs> nikolam: do you have sound?
[01:47] <Jester45> lol i need to leave in 10 mins and girl friend is coming over then and i still havent even taken a shower :) procrasition + irc = time killer
[01:47] <nikolam> Just to say: on 64-bit xubuntu 7.04
[01:47] <nikolam> I have:Floating point exception (core dumped)
[01:48] <Ben_Cs> Jester45: indeed :)
[01:49] <Ben_Cs> nikolam: don't know about 64 bit. i had several problems with 64bit version so i reinstalled 32bit version of xubuntu.
[01:49] <nikolam> it is reely sad about 64 bit
[01:49] <Ben_Cs> nikolam: i think 64bit isn't mature enough yet. i recommend you to work with 32bit.
[01:49] <nikolam> And the main problems are non-free add-ons and programs.. wmv, flash, skype..
[01:50] <Ben_Cs> but if u up to it you can blow yourhead off with looking for a 64bit solution:)
[01:50] <nikolam> Yes i am forsing myself to go back to 32 bit byt why *oh* why I get 64bit processor then..
[01:52] <Ben_Cs> nikolam: it's a good idea - 64bit cpu. pitty the programmers didn't work enough on compatible apps
[01:52] <Ben_Cs> BRB
[01:52] <nikolam> But hey, most thing work fine here on my 64 bit xubuntu
[01:53] <nikolam> only *some* needs some tweaking
[01:53] <nikolam> I managed to make skype 32 bit work on 7.10 test installation on 64 bit bit I reinstalled
[01:54] <nikolam> Beacouse I need stabile 7.04
[01:55] <Ben_Cs> i see
[02:00] <nikolam> It seems to me that even static precompiled skype needs some newer libraries than 7.04. I will investigate
[02:00] <Ben_Cs> nikolam: u mean the 64bit version right?
[02:01] <nikolam> Yes
[02:04] <Ben_Cs> nikolam: if u find a solution be sure to tell.
[02:04] <nikolam> I promise
[02:05] <Ben_Cs> :)
[02:11] <nikolam> Ben_Cs: Try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432295
[02:12] <nikolam> But in my case, it didnt work
[02:14] <Ben_Cs> nikolam: it's just an installation guide. i thought u did install skype, and that it just wont work
[02:15] <nikolam> It was before when I was testing gutsy tribe 3 or so. i managed to make it work Somehow
[02:19] <Ben_Cs> ok
[02:31] <Ben_Cs> nikolam: is this right:     /dev/sdb /media/ipod auto noauto,user,rw,sync 0 0      ???
[02:31] <Ben_Cs> oos
[02:31] <Ben_Cs> sorry
[02:31] <Ben_Cs> wrong room
[02:43] <askatasuna> hello i have tried to update system from 6.06 to 6.10 with update manager but the system return an error
[02:44] <Ben_Cs> askatasuna: what's the error?
[02:46] <askatasuna> Ben_Cs: one moment.....
[02:49] <askatasuna> Ben_Cs: error during update calculation
[02:51] <Ben_Cs> askatasuna: that's it?
[02:52] <askatasuna> Ben_Cs: yes is a update-manager error
[02:52] <starvinmarvin> If I'm adding hard drives that will be used for additional storage, do I format as Logical or Primary?
[02:53] <Ben_Cs> askatasuna: what if u go into synaptic and click "mark all upgrades"?
[02:54] <askatasuna> Ben_Cs: just one moment
[02:55] <askatasuna> Ben_Cs: packages are upgraded at the last version
[02:56] <Ben_Cs> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:56] <Ben_Cs> try it
[02:59] <Ben_Cs> or even better:
[02:59] <Ben_Cs> sudo apt-get update
[02:59] <Ben_Cs> and then
[02:59] <Ben_Cs> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:01] <askatasuna_> Ben_Cs: sorry but the packages are already upgraded i have done that before update manager
[03:02] <Ben_Cs> ok, but sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   upgrades the distro (unless you didn't enable the repositories. did you?)
[03:02] <askatasuna> Ben_Cs: apt-get dist-upgrade say to me 0 to upgrade
[03:03] <Ben_Cs> ok
[03:03] <Ben_Cs> try this: open synaptic
[03:03] <Ben_Cs> there: settings->repositories
[03:03] <Ben_Cs> you there?
[03:03] <askatasuna> yes
[03:04] <Ben_Cs> ok. now:
[03:04] <Ben_Cs> in "ubuntu software" check eveything exsept source
[03:05] <Ben_Cs> in "updates" tab check the first two
[03:05] <Ben_Cs> then click "close" and click the button reload
[03:06] <Ben_Cs> then try the coomand line: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:06] <Ben_Cs> anything new?
[03:06] <askatasuna> i'm downloading new packages of then repository
[03:07] <Ben_Cs> ok
[03:08] <Ben_Cs> you mean, "reload"?
[03:08] <Ben_Cs> or already "upgrade"?
[03:09] <askatasuna> now reload is ended
[03:09] <askatasuna> now i'm going to click upgrde (right?)
[03:09] <Ben_Cs> ok. do the "upgrade command
[03:09] <Ben_Cs>  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:10] <Ben_Cs> if u click "upgarde" it'll only upgrade packages in current version of ubuntu.
[03:10] <Ben_Cs> i understand you want to upgarde the ubuntu version right?
[03:11] <askatasuna> yes from 6.06 to 6.10
[03:11] <Ben_Cs> hmmm. i think it'll upgrade to 7.04
[03:11] <Ben_Cs> y u want 6.10?
[03:12] <askatasuna> Ben_Cs: can i pass from 6.06 to 7.04?
[03:12] <askatasuna> Ben_Cs: if yes i'd like it
[03:12] <Ben_Cs> don't think there's a problem about it
[03:13] <Ben_Cs> just type in command line:  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:13] <askatasuna> Ben_Cs: ok
[03:13] <askatasuna> Ben_Cs: now update-manager is going well
[03:13] <askatasuna> Ben_Cs: thank you for your help
[03:13] <Ben_Cs> yes
[03:13] <Ben_Cs> no problem
[04:33] <Janschu> I just upgraded my system to feisty.
[04:33] <Janschu> Grub is not finding the new kernel
[04:34] <Ben_Cs> Janschu: weird. when i did. grup was updated
[04:34] <Janschu> I thought I would try reinstalling the kernel, but synaptic keeps showing the kernel packages as not authenticated
[04:35] <Janschu> I have reloaded several times already
[04:44] <Janschu> the strange thing is, the kernels are sitting right there in /boot/
[04:45] <Janschu> but when I try to boot from the new kernels, I just get a blank screen with a flashing prompt
[04:51] <Ben_Cs> Janschu: did the upgrade go smooth?
[04:52] <Janschu> yes
[04:52] <Janschu> everything went fine, until it was time to reboot. Then I found that I could only boot the old kernel
[04:53] <Ben_Cs> Janschu: well you better wait for someone more experienced than me
[04:53] <Janschu> ok, thanks
[05:10] <The-Kernel> hey all how goes it?
[05:11] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: fine tnx
[05:11] <Ben_Cs> you?
[05:11] <Ben_Cs> how's school?
[05:14] <The-Kernel> ah, new, I've never been to school my whole life, and then one day I'm just...doing it!
[06:45] <triptec> any image viewer too recommend??
[06:46] <TheSheep> triptec: for what?
[06:47] <TheSheep> triptec: I use mirage for quick preview and comix for reading scanned comic books
[06:47] <triptec> yeah something similar to acdsee but for linux...
[06:49] <Ramla> i've been using gqview. rather light.
[06:50] <TheSheep> triptec: gtksee is based on the old acdsee interface, but it's weird for me :/
[06:52] <triptec> thx, I'll check it out
[06:52] <The-Kernel> hello zoredache
[06:54] <Janschu> I just did an update to feisty. Now xubuntu will only boot when I choose the original kernel. If I leave it alone or try to boot from one of the newer kernels, I get a blank screen and a flashing prompt
[06:54] <The-Kernel> Janschu: its a kernel panic
[06:54] <Janschu> ok
[06:55] <Janschu> what can I do?
[06:55] <The-Kernel> nothing you can do about it
[06:55] <The-Kernel> back up everything, download feisty, install new
[06:55] <zoredache> The-Kernel: wth?
[06:56] <The-Kernel> zoredache: you have another opinon?
[06:56] <The-Kernel> I mean Janschu you can always use that old kernel
[06:56] <Janschu> true
[06:57] <The-Kernel> but I'm not sure if that's actually the older version of the OS
[06:57] <The-Kernel> I say reformat and reinstall
[06:57] <The-Kernel> I've always done it that way
[06:57] <DuClare> that's the windows way
[06:58] <zoredache> how can you know it is a kernel panic from such limited information?  how can you suggest a format/reinstall without taking at least a little time to choose the less destructive options?
[06:58] <zoredache> Janschu: when it 'doesn't boot' what do you see on the screen?
[07:00] <Janschu> grub sends its little message, at which point I can hit esc to choose a kernel. If I pick anything other then the oldest kernel, I get a blank screen and a flashing prompt at the upper left hand corner of the screen
[07:00] <The-Kernel> zoredache: it was the basic symptoms of a kernel panic
[07:00] <The-Kernel> I see it all the time
[07:03] <The-Kernel> "Blamk Screen, Flashing Prompt" usually == kernel panic, plus he said he jsut upgraded which is another clue
[07:04] <caribou_> is there a way to customize the xfce panel ?
[07:04] <The-Kernel> Janschu: go into the old kernel and pastebin what /boot/grub/menu.lst looks like
[07:07] <Janschu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36588/
[07:09] <The-Kernel> Janschu: so which one is your old kernel?
[07:09] <The-Kernel> the one that works
[07:09] <The-Kernel> 2.6.17-10?
[07:09] <Janschu> yes
[07:09] <The-Kernel> ok
[07:10] <The-Kernel> on the 2.6.20-16 remove the "ro" and "quiet" and then try to boot the kernel, remember to write down whatever the error says
[07:12] <Janschu> ok, will do
[07:14] <Janschu> I will be right back, I only have the one machine to work with
[07:15] <The-Kernel> haha, ok
[07:19] <tech404> that was fast
[07:19] <Janschu> ok, I'm back
[07:19] <The-Kernel> ok
[07:20] <Janschu> I let it boot without hitting anything, so I suspect it tried to boot the first entry, and it just gave me the same flashing prompt. Should I try explicitely choosing the 20 kernel?
[07:21] <The-Kernel> go ahead
[07:22] <Janschu> ok, I'll be right back
[07:25] <Janschu> Still nothing
[07:25] <The-Kernel> wow
[07:26] <The-Kernel> ok, go ahead and try the recovery mode the top one
[07:26] <Janschu> will do
[07:27] <triptec> how do I change the "send to" menu?
[07:28] <The-Kernel> no idea
[07:29] <Janschu> still nothing. although, I did not remove ro and quiet from the menu.lst this time
[07:30] <The-Kernel> you went into the recovery mode for the 20 kernel?
[07:30] <Janschu> also, I forgot to mention that I always get the "Starting up ..." message before the screen goes blank
[07:30] <Janschu> yes
[07:30] <The-Kernel> ok, this is very unsual
[07:31] <The-Kernel> kernel panics are usually very "noticable" does the three "Numlock" Scroll lock" and "Caps Lock" lights flash?
[07:31] <Janschu> I supose for the time being I can comment out all the new enteries in menu.lst and then give it another go when gutsy comes around
[07:31] <Janschu> I am pretty sure that they were not flashing
[07:32] <tech404> this may be fruitless but do you have a copy of memtest? Alternatively I think the live cd's have an option for memtest.
[07:32] <Janschu> yes, I do have a spare memtest running about
[07:32] <zoredache> just a thought, but has anyone googled for 'blank screen after grub'?
[07:32] <The-Kernel> zoredache: yes
[07:32] <zoredache> everything I seem seems to suggest a kernel/video card incompatiblitiy
[07:33] <tech404> its unlikely that the other version would work just fine if its hardware but it is possible
[07:33] <zoredache> anyway, downloading and booting a livecd with the same kernel should prove/disprove that
[07:34] <Janschu> ah, to that I should say that I tried booting the Feisty live cds, both the desktop and the alternate, and both would not boot, though with different messages
[07:35] <The-Kernel> . . .
[07:35] <Janschu> the desktop gave me a message to try the other CD
[07:35] <The-Kernel> Janschu: what graphics card?
[07:36] <The-Kernel> what are the "detailed" specs of your system?
[07:36] <Janschu> Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400/G450 (rev 04)
[07:37] <The-Kernel> well, I say wait till gutsy then
[07:37] <The-Kernel> hope that it'll work
[07:37] <The-Kernel> I gotaa go now
[07:37] <Janschu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36597/
[07:38] <Janschu> thanks a bunch for your help !!
[07:38] <The-Kernel> no problem
[07:38] <The-Kernel> oh and just a side note, i don't think its your graphics card/chipset because i have a system like yours that runs feisty fine
[07:39] <The-Kernel> alright, bye
[07:42] <nikolam> Janschu, I also had trouble on 32bit xubuntu with Matrox G400 on 6.10
[07:42] <nikolam> Then I used 7.04 with Alternate CD and installed and worked fine.
[07:43] <nikolam> 6.06 also works fine with G400
[07:43] <Janschu> wierd, by me 6.10 works fine and 7.04 is giving me problems.
[07:43] <nikolam> Hmm
[07:43] <nikolam> i used Alternat einstall CD
[07:43] <Janschu> I did not try 6.06, but 5.10 booted fine from the live CD
[07:44] <nikolam> alternate=no live cd, just installation
[07:45] <nikolam> Also, 2.6.20-15 works better then 2.6.20-16..
[07:45] <Janschu> I tried the Ubuntu 7.04 alternate, I suppose I could give the xubunte 7.04 a try
[07:45] <nikolam> Yes, I installed and use Xubuntu alternate 7.04 om my old machine
[07:45] <nikolam> P3-733 384Mb, 17GB hdd
[07:46] <nikolam> And it worked on G400 for months
[07:47] <Janschu> ok, thanks
[07:49] <Janschu> and thanks to everyone who chimed in ! (and to those who put up with me :)
[07:49] <Janschu> bye
[08:00] <triptec> is is possible to NOT give for example mv all resources, I can't so anything while moving files
[08:02] <zoredache> triptec: can you rephase that... I don't understand
[08:03] <triptec> when I use the "mv" command and move just 20-30 gb it takes all system resources
[08:04] <triptec> I can use things already in RAM but to start a program takes ages..
[08:09] <triptec> zoredache: better?
[08:31] <hyper__ch> huhu
[09:24] <darrend> why would tracker appear to be permanently indexing my disk?  It reports having indexed 3.6 million files so far.. there are only 115k in my entire home directory.
[09:27] <Merchelo> tracker as in ?
[09:28] <cheeseboy> whats a torrent client for linux with encryption?
[09:28] <Merchelo> azereus
[09:31] <hyper__ch> rtorrent
[09:32] <hyper__ch> ktorrent
[09:51] <SuprUsr> Okay... So.
[09:51] <SuprUsr> I have wireless issues... (Still/again)
[09:56] <SuprUsr> I have my router set up and working, I have WEP set up on both ends, but I can't seem to get a connection between router and laptop.
[09:57] <SuprUsr> It's seems like my card isn't detecting the signal from the router.
[09:57] <SuprUsr> Or, something equally strange and annoying.
[10:11] <azi_> some friend of mine installed xubuntu and berly
[10:11] <azi_> now, xftaskbar and xfwm are not run at login
[10:11] <azi_> and trying to run xfwm4 says another WM is already runing
[10:11] <azi_> anyone experienced that before?
[10:12] <hyper__ch> SuprUsr: how about testing it with no encryption?
[10:19] <darrend> Merchelo: tracker is a desktop search tool like beagle
[10:19] <Merchelo> ok
[11:10] <Ben_Cs> hello
[11:33] <cheeseboy> hi
[11:34] <cheeseboy> my wine cfg got messed up how do i restore to deault?
[11:35] <steve___> how does one find out a kernel module version from a newer kernel not installed?  I want to see if 2.6.22 in gutsy has newer kernel modules than the kernel i'm presently using
[11:41] <zoredache> I suspect that you would need to look in the changelogs on kernel.org to see if there where any changes
[11:46] <linux_stu> hello
[11:46] <linux_stu> does ubuntu's package management system provide a method in which one can build the package from source?
[12:11] <Kr4t05> Okay... Who wants to help me with wireless issues?
[12:11] <Kr4t05> I have my router set up, I have my card set up.
[12:11] <Kr4t05> But, lo and behold, the two devices will not talk to one another
[12:12] <triptec> is there any program that i can monitor the current speed of my eth???
[12:12] <triptec> network monitor just have the bars...
[12:20] <steve___> triptec - iptraf will do it
[12:20] <tommerz> hey, does anyone know if there's an iso for xubuntu powerpc, or do you have to install via alternate and then apt-get?
[12:20] <steve___> kr4t05 - what do you get when you type 'iwconfig'
[12:20] <Kr4t05> steve___: One second.
[12:21] <Kr4t05> I'm re-installing ndiswrapper and some thinks.
[12:21] <triptec> steve___: thx
[12:22] <steve___> kr4t05 - do you have the broadcom chipset?
[12:23] <Kr4t05> steve___: RTL8180L
[12:25] <steve___> isn't that supported natively?
[12:25] <Kr4t05> steve___: It is, but it doesn't support WPA... Do I really need WPA, though? I live in a fairly rural area, so I think WEP would be fine for my needs.
[12:26] <steve___> well if you don't go with WPA than do not bother with WEP.  I'm not familar with the RTL8180
[12:27] <steve___> I would suggest WPA though.  Unless you normally go to the grocery store without pants on :)
[12:28] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[12:29] <Kr4t05> Since you put it that way/
[12:30] <Kr4t05> Let me fix up some stuff, then.
[12:31] <steve___> i'd first get the card up and pass traffic without any encryption
[12:32] <Kr4t05> Alright... the driver is listed in my ndisgtk, but it says "Hardware present: No"
[12:33] <Kr4t05> Should that bother me, or should I ignore it?
[12:33] <Kr4t05> Because, the card is inserted into the PCMCIA slot.
[12:34] <steve___> in a terminal, what do you get from a "lspci |grep -i ether"
[12:35] <Kr4t05> Realtek Semi conducter Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b
[12:36] <steve___> The hardware is present  :)
[12:36] <Kr4t05> Yeah, I figured. :P
[12:36] <steve___> i'm not familiar with ndisgtk
[12:37] <Kr4t05> Wait... Hrm...
[12:37] <steve___> i'm assuming it's saying it doesn't see the driver?
[12:37] <Kr4t05> I just restarted networking and wlanO: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device.
[12:38] <Kr4t05> One second.
[12:49] <Kr4t05> steve___: Okay... Card is working, now. :)
[12:51] <steve___> nice... now you just have to pull your pants up  :)
[12:54] <Kr4t05> steve___: Well, I need to make the connection.
[12:56] <Kr4t05> So... The card is detected and installed.
[12:56] <Kr4t05> Let's use iwconfig.
[01:01] <Kr4t05> steve___: Okay... So, what exactly am I looking for?
[01:02] <steve___> what does it say?
[01:02] <Kr4t05> A good deal.
[01:02] <steve___> ESSID and access point?
[01:02] <Kr4t05> ESSID:off/any
[01:03] <Kr4t05> Access Point: Not-Associated
[01:03] <steve___> *gasp*
[01:03] <steve___> :)
[01:03] <Kr4t05> steve___: What was that all about?
[01:03] <steve___> do you know what the essid of your router is set to?
[01:03] <Kr4t05> One moment, I can check.
[01:04] <Kr4t05> Ok, now I do.
[01:05] <steve___> ok soiwconfig eth? essid NAME
[01:05] <steve___> 'iwconfig eth? essid NAME'
[01:05] <steve___> where eth? is the name of your interface and NAME is the essid
[01:06] <Kr4t05> Shouldn't that be wlan?
[01:06] <steve___> yeah if that's it's called
[01:06] <Kr4t05> Okay.
[01:06] <Kr4t05> No errors.
[01:07] <steve___> iwconfig
[01:07] <steve___> do you have connection to the AP now?
[01:07] <Kr4t05> Nope...
[01:07] <steve___> is there a value beside SSID and access point?
[01:07] <steve___> ESSID
[01:07] <Kr4t05> Nope.
[01:08] <Kr4t05> Zip. Zilch. Nada.
[01:08] <steve___> do you have root permissions?
[01:08] <Kr4t05> sudo
[01:08] <steve___> yeah
[01:08] <steve___> did you use sudo?
[01:08] <Kr4t05> Yep
[01:09] <steve___> does your AP have any encryption settings turn on (checked)?
[01:09] <Kr4t05> Oh, yeah.
[01:09] <steve___> *gasp*
[01:09] <steve___> :)
[01:10] <Kr4t05> WEP hex
[01:10] <steve___> step one,  pull down your..  err.  You know what i mean  :)
[01:10] <steve___> turn off all encryption
[01:10] <Kr4t05> Security Disabled.
[01:10] <steve___> ok up arrow and try again
[01:10] <Kr4t05> Done and done.
[01:11] <steve___> iwconfig?
[01:11] <steve___> connection?
[01:11] <Kr4t05> Still nothing. :/
[01:11] <steve___> balls
[01:11] <Kr4t05> Indeed.
[01:11] <steve___> up arrow and change the essid_name to 'on'
[01:12] <steve___> did you reboot/reset the AP after you saved the settings?
[01:12] <Kr4t05> steve___: Nah, I can't.
[01:12] <steve___> or make sure you hit the "apply changes" button
[01:12] <Kr4t05> steve___: Yes, twice.
[01:13] <steve___> oh oh sounds like someone is borrowing a net connection  :)
[01:13] <Kr4t05> I doubt it. :P
[01:13] <Kr4t05> But, should i get out snort?