[01:03] <coreymon77> so, how do i go about getting the irc cloak?
[01:03] <stdin> coreymon77: I think you'd ask in #ubuntu-ops (ask for a staffer)
[01:07] <coreymon77> stdin: i thought we werent supposed to ask freenode staffers
[01:07] <Tm_T> coreymon77: exactly
[01:07] <stdin> coreymon77: yep :)
[01:07] <Tm_T> staffers some weird way likes Ubuntu ;(
[01:08] <coreymon77> huh?
[01:09] <coreymon77> that didnt make sense
[01:09] <stdin> maybe "some weird staffers like Ubuntu" :p
[01:10] <coreymon77> maybe
[01:10] <coreymon77> Tm_T: what did you mean?
[01:11] <Tm_T> thats what I did mean
[01:11] <coreymon77> oh
[01:11] <coreymon77> okay
[01:17] <DaSkreech> Play ground is built for the KDE4 repo?
[02:21] <Tm_T> stdin: welcome back
[02:21] <stdin> has a small crash :p
[02:22] <stdin> system stopped responding, then came back and X died
[02:22] <Tm_T> but why you exited from irc?
[02:23] <stdin> because I have a graphical IRC client
[02:23] <stdin> :p
[02:23] <stdin> so I took the opportunity to update my wiki page before coming back
[02:38] <Tm_T> stdin: hrr, graphics and irc, hrrr
[02:39] <stdin> Tm_T:  I can't have irc taking up one of my very important shell sessions :p
[02:39] <Tm_T> er?
[02:40] <Tm_T> best in irssi: you dont have to run it on your own pc
[02:42] <Tm_T> stdin: 0342 Irssi uptime: 140d 5h 20m 30s
[02:44] <stdin> Tm_T: maybe if I used a bouncer on my server "01:44:29 up 33 days, 10:27", but I can't be bothered :p
[02:54] <ryanakca> hmmm... I should probably reboot my blog server for the kernel upgrades... but I don't want to loose my 131d uptime :D
[03:31] <DaSkreech> Hmm new globulation is out
[06:40] <Hobbsee> oh, bah.
[06:40] <Hobbsee> basket still depends on it.
[06:44] <ScottK> ;-)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> sure sure...
[08:24] <stdin> how come kdebase-workspace is not building yet? (feisty-backports)
[08:25] <ScottK> Is it a new package?
[08:25] <ScottK> If it is new for Feisty it has to go through the NEW queue again.
[08:26] <stdin> well, it's the KDE4 beta2 package, 14 hours old
[08:27] <Hobbsee> yes, and?
[08:28] <stdin> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/3.93.0-0ubuntu2~feisty1 < still on dep wait
[08:29] <Hobbsee> oh, so it's not in teh new queue
[08:30] <stdin> I think that's the only package left in KDE4b2 to build now
[08:35] <Hobbsee> stdin: it's a bug.
[08:35] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ dpkg --compare-versions 3.93.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 lt 3.93.0-0ubuntu2~feisty1 && echo true
[08:35] <Hobbsee> true
[08:35] <Hobbsee> ScottK: were you wanting to fix that?
[08:37] <stdin> ahh, I see
[08:54] <stdin> Hobbsee: have you tested beta2 yet?
[08:54] <stdin> ^ or anyone actually ^
[08:54] <Hobbsee> nope
[08:55] <stdin> I think there's a bug in it, there's no, umm, whatever the replacement for kciker is
[08:55] <stdin> ie: http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/561/kde4b2ht1.jpg
[08:56] <stdin> that's part of plasma right?
[08:56] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:56] <Hobbsee> one of the many...
[08:56] <Hobbsee> dont report them to us
[08:57] <stdin> wasn't going to, I'm guessing it's an upstream bug
[09:00] <Hobbsee> they're all upstream bugs
[09:00] <stdin> well, yeah, that's why I guessed it :p
[10:40] <Riddell> allee: are you going to tell upstream about kblueplugd?
[11:01] <allee> Riddell: I've told them on #kdeblueooth.  No reaction, ut I've not seen any activity there for days
[11:04] <stdin> Riddell: apparently the build-dep on kdebase-workspace is wrong, as 3.93.0-0ubuntu1~feisty2 is less than 3.93.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[11:04] <Riddell> stdin: yeah, I broke that in the second upload, fixed now
[11:04] <stdin> so people can stop asking "when can I get beta 2" now :p
[11:05] <Riddell> well, as usual the backport builds are very slow
[11:05] <stdin> yeah, but the end is in sight now
[11:06] <Riddell> kde4base is there for i386, still building for amd64
[11:06] <Riddell> there's still plenty more modules after that but kdebase-workspace is the main one for getting a desktop running
[11:39] <Tonio_> hi all
[12:03] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: please set https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-bluetooth to implemented
[12:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: also https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-accessibility-keyboard
[12:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: any idea why khelpcentre has two of every item on the live CD?  dolphin has two of every action too
[12:17] <Riddell> it'll be some weird issue with kde's services or kbuildsycoca or something
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I can't test the live cd....
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't work on macbook pro
[12:21] <Tonio_> unfortunatelly
[12:21] <Riddell> really?  how do you install then?
[12:21] <Tonio_> test install
[12:21] <Tonio_> text install
[12:21] <Tonio_> and that works
[12:21] <Riddell> right
[12:21] <Tonio_> pxe install can also be of any use :)
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't really help on the livecd testing
[12:21] <Riddell> that's the most visible bug I can see for beta, along with the dist upgrader being memory crazy
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: does the bug occur on a text installation ?
[12:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: I imagine it should, I doubt it's just on the live CD
[12:22] <Riddell> especially for a new user
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: strigi also has a lot of bugs..... daemon overloads the cpu, systray app has graphical bugs, the jstream protocol fails to open any file......
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can't really say that strigi is ready for inclusion imho
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test the live cd with virtualbox, should work that way
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to test the daily build or any specific version ?
[12:23] <Riddell> daily is fine
[12:24] <Riddell> strigi I'd like to leave in for beta, then ponder some more
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: downloading the iso, will test
[12:29] <Riddell> thanks
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: we already had that bug in the past and I remember I found the case of it, just that I don't remember it ;)
[12:30] <Riddell> might be an idea to try with a new user too once installed
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: and about the pythong-dbus .so path problem, any news from doko ?
[12:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, fixed yeterday
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: great ;)
[12:32] <Riddell> although if you can confirm on your new install that would be good
[01:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can see the khelpcenter issue, but not everything is doubled, that's the tricky part :)
[01:22] <Tonio_> only some things are doubled in it, looking.........
[01:27] <Riddell> yeah
[01:27] <Riddell> konqueror actions aren't but dolphin ones are
[01:27] <Riddell> I've no idea what could have changed for that
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: weird issue really.......
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: atm I'm lost with khelpcenter, hard to figure out what the problem is
[01:55] <Tonio_> checking do;phin
[02:02] <larsivi> Heya guys, testing kubuntu gutsy on Dell xps m1330
[02:02] <larsivi> the live cd started up fine, but the KDE apps seems to not really recognize the size of the screen (xrandr does)
[02:02] <Riddell> larsivi: good luck
[02:02] <Riddell> apps, or X itself?
[02:03] <larsivi> so I can use all the screen estate, but kicker starts up in the middle of the screen :P
[02:03] <larsivi> If I move it, it extends itself perfectly and goes where it should be
[02:03] <larsivi> maximized apps also thinks the screen is less than it is
[02:04] <Riddell> hrm, that's most peculiar
[02:04] <Riddell> larsivi: try using displayconfig to fix it?
[02:05] <larsivi> I actually sees the same on my old laptop with feisty, but there I thought it was due to me messing with the X server myself
[02:06] <larsivi> displayconfig gets all the info wrong
[02:06] <larsivi> all Intel hardware
[02:07] <Lure> Riddell: do you see a posibility to do another kdepim snapshot before StringFreeze (Sep 13)?
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: fix confirmed for kblueplugd, so that's cool :)
[02:08] <Lure> Riddell: there are some interesting improvements done recently
[02:09] <Riddell> Lure: I'm away from the end of today, but if it's well tested you can get Tonio_ or whoever to upload one
[02:09] <larsivi> the screen is also very bright at the top, I see now
[02:09] <Lure> Riddell: sure, I would go with at least 2-3 days of testing in ppa before upload
[02:10] <Lure> Riddell: I was thinking about taking today's snapshot and test until StringFreeze
[02:10] <Riddell> Lure: yes, good idea
[02:10] <Lure> Riddell: do we need UVF for it and from whom?
[02:10] <Riddell> from me :)
[02:10] <Riddell> go ahead
[02:10] <Lure> Riddell: ok
[02:11] <fdoving> strigi is so useless.. 9GB index, and searching doesn't work.
[02:11] <Lure> Riddell: I anyway follow svn commits and will then cherry pick individual fixes until release of gutsy
[02:11] <Lure> fdoving: I also have feeling that it was bloated somehow in recent release (not sure if nepomuk/xesam is root cause)
[02:13] <fdoving> it has never worked for me, as far as i can recall.
[02:13] <fdoving> only succeeded in making a huge index.
[02:15] <hunger> Is there a ldap gui for kde available in kubuntu?
[02:16] <Jucato> fdoving: I don't know which is worse, a huge index or no index at all (my case)
[02:17] <fdoving> hunger: from a apt-cache search i found 'luma' in universe, that's pyqt.
[02:17] <allee> hunger: luma
[02:17] <hunger> fdoving: thanks!
[02:17] <fdoving> Jucato: either way there is no working search. :)
[02:17] <Jucato> fdoving: right. :)
[02:17] <hunger> Only found gq which is a) gnome and b) broken.
[02:18] <Jucato> I asked Riddell in the meeting if strigi is really ready for gutsy. he said he'll decide on/after beta
[02:26] <larsivi> Riddell: the brightness at the top of the screen isn't the fault of X/KDE, as I see it in vista too - possibly the led backlighting
[02:27] <Riddell> but windows starting half way up the screen will be X or KDE
[02:27] <Riddell> hard to tell which though without seeing it myself
[02:27] <Riddell> (running gnome would be a way to tell I guess)
[02:27] <Riddell> or xfce
[02:27] <larsivi> gross, no :P
[02:27] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[02:28] <larsivi> it seems to me that the displayconfig isn't able to hook up with the X facilities?
[02:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tried to strace dolphin looking at the opening of a servicemenu desktop file, I cna't see any difference with my own machine, except everything is doubled......;
[02:28] <larsivi> as it don't show the true resolution of the screen
[02:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm lost really
[02:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be interesting to install and check if it also fails locally, testing
[02:29] <Jucato> another d3lphin bug?
[02:29] <fdoving> oh, got searching with strigi to work.. but it gives 3 results of everything. might have something to do with the huge index. everything is trippled.
[02:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: something with the live cd, but dolphin isn't the only impacted app, same problem arround kinfocenter
[02:29] <Jucato> oh
[02:30] <Tonio_> fdoving: are you still overloaded by strigi ?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato!
[02:30] <fdoving> Tonio_: yeah, trying to get it to work.
[02:31] <fdoving> Tonio_: now it works, but i get 3x everything when i search. probably indexed everything 3 times or something.
[02:31] <Tonio_> fdoving: interesting thing is that my index is reported to have more than 2 millions unique words
[02:31] <Hobbsee> chandru is a git.
[02:31] <Tonio_> fdoving: that can hardly happen even if I was speaking all european languages I guess :)
[02:32] <fdoving> Tonio_: mine reports 4.3 mill words.
[02:32] <Tonio_> fdoving: lol
[02:32] <fdoving> Tonio_: 1.2mill documents.
[02:32] <Tonio_> fdoving: :)
[02:32] <allee> oh, you get an index?  I only see 100% cpu and no disk activity. -> kill
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ML.  again.
[02:33] <Jucato> ubuntu-devel?
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, the livecd is in english even if I choose french at boot
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: keyboard mapping works btw
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe the langpacks are not just included in it atm ?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> his emails are getting progressively shorter.  maybe the next one will just include the bug number
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no, k-d
[02:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: we don't have any language packs on the CD
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: which explains :)
[02:38] <fdoving> yeah, i have 416990 files to be indexed, and strigi did them all 3 times, which makes it 1.25 million.
[02:40] <larsivi> Riddell: I may not have time/opportunity to test with xfce until over the weekend - depends somewhat on how the install goes
[02:41] <larsivi> I sorta planned to install it next to vista, but the installer failed to resize the partition
[02:43] <ScottK> larsivi: IIRC that's a known issue with Vista NTFS that's planned to get fixed.
[02:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: er.. he claims he never got a reply the first time, but it seems he replied to your reply, saying that he filed the bug upstream
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ...right then.
[02:45] <larsivi> ScottK: not sure I care :P
[02:46] <ScottK> I'm certain I don't.
[02:46] <larsivi> after getting a blue screen on the first login, I'm not tempted to use it very often ..
[02:56] <manchicken> So how's it goin' folks?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Jucato: oh yes, and as tribe 6 is bugfixing, his pet bug must get fixed.  of course.
[03:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: the 2 licecd issues are licecd specific
[03:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: no problem on kde once installed, neither kinfocenter or dolphin
[03:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: weird isn't it ? ;)
[03:34] <jdong> licecd, is that what the cool kids call it nowadays
[03:46] <Jucato> heheh
[03:46] <Jucato> lots of lice :)
[03:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey.. saw you uploaded that new svn snapshot. Any notable changes ?
[03:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: for kdebluetooth that is ;
[03:55] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato you old monk.
[03:55] <_StefanS_> :D
[03:55] <Jucato> lol!
[03:55] <_StefanS_> shaolin and stuff
[03:55] <_StefanS_> or? :D
[03:55] <Jucato> monk, almost became one. old? definitely not! heehhe
[03:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you test the live CD?
[03:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can confirm the issues, but once the system is installed, no issues anymore
[03:58] <Riddell> spooky
[03:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: didn't test the mouse thing atm, but it globally works
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, doesn't make sense....
[03:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, I'll test it
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: tried to strace dolphin on the lice cd and locally, nothing special
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: no noticeable difference btw
[03:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm lost....... ;)
[04:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh well, thanks for looking, and good to know it doesn't affect installed systems
[04:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, better this than a corrupted installed system
[04:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: is the kdebluetooth being built right now?
[04:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yup
[04:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got an url?
[04:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: want to tet now ? I have packages here
[04:06] <Tonio_> gimme a second
[04:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh yes please.
[04:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp
[04:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cool.
[04:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: installed. I'm waiting for my mouse to sleep now, to see if the reconnect works without accepting the connection again.
[04:10] <bddebian> Heya
[04:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: input devices are borked in the new version.. again.
[04:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum........
[04:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cant connect to my mouse at all, and the previous connection was shown without any name of the mouse, just empty field with a star in one end, and bluetooth logo in the other end
[04:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: saw that
[04:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we can revert the code if it comes too late....
[04:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: reinstalled previous version, and it works again. Maybe we should settle this now, and patch it to be functional.
[04:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lots of changes on svn
[04:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: paired devices is fixed, which is a good point
[04:18] <Tonio_> but yeah the mice tool is broken......
[04:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hmm then we should probably compare the input tool in each version
[04:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: maybe I can do this later today, or during the weekend. Are you settling for this new svn snapshot then?
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Hu Jucato
[04:33] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[04:33] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[04:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep, this is the one breaking regularly, I agree, I'll have a look at this
[04:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but globally, appart from that specific tool, it works
[04:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes it works. If you're not intending to use a bt mouse with linux :) - it definitely needs to be sorted out.
[04:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure :)
[04:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: let me know if you cant get input devices to work, maybe I can help.
[04:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I just meant than other bugs have been fixed :)
[04:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes thats great ofcourse
[04:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what else do we have that is causing issues ? other packages i could look at?
[04:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: atm I don't know since I haven't been there last week, better ask Riddell :)
[04:51] <nixternal> DaSkreech: how did I get mentioned on the Dot?
[04:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, i'll ask him
[04:53] <DaSkreech> http://dot.kde.org/1189078926/1189103226/1189103785/1189106350/
[04:54] <nixternal> interesting
[04:54] <nixternal> who is Tom?
[04:54] <Riddell> hmm?
[04:54] <nixternal> ahh, I know who it is
[04:57] <nixternal> - Show it to your friends - if they laugh, tell them off and explain the difference between an open and a closed development-cycle!
[04:57] <nixternal> hahahaha
[05:07] <Tm_T> =)
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Bah
[05:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/18451 is fixed? how?
[05:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18451 in kdebase "Administrator mode should adapt to QT theme" [Wishlist,Fix released] 
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, fudge.  i misread the last comment, it seems.
[05:38] <Riddell> have you tested it?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> now, i knew i was going to do something...
[05:38] <Hobbsee> sorry
[05:59] <pef> hello
[05:59] <ScottK> Hello pef.
[06:01] <pef> I'm using gdb to trace a sigsegv in konqueror, how can I have source code in gdb (when I use l command) ? currently I put a breakpoint on main, type "l" and get "konqueror.la.cc: No such file or directory."
[06:02] <pef> and I can't find this file in kdebase src package :)
[06:03] <Riddell> I don't think you can, you'd need the build tree so you'd need to compile it yourself
[06:04] <pef> Riddell: the dbgsym package isn't enough ?
[06:04] <Riddell> I don't think it is for what you're wanting
[06:05] <pef> Riddell: when you want to trace a bug with gdb in huge kde apps, how do you proceed ?
[06:08] <Riddell> pef: install dbgsym to get the traceback then apt-get source to look at the source
[06:09] <pef> Riddell: yes, but apt-get source konqueror extract kdebase source, and I cannot find the konqueror.la.cc file inside
[06:09] <pef> the one gdb miss
[06:10] <Riddell> it'll be a generated file if it exists
[06:10] <Tm_T> something to humour yourself: http://people.freebsd.org/~adamw/gnome_kde_deps/
[06:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: nothing wrong with being modular
[06:12] <Tm_T> true
[06:12] <Riddell> equally there's good arguments for keeping things tied together
[06:12] <Tm_T> Riddell: also, split kdebase to binary packages like we do...
[06:12] <Tonio_> Riddell, Hobbsee: didn't thought about that but indeed kdesudo fixes the admin mode fonts problems and other things, nice :)
[06:12] <Tm_T> but still, there's weird dependencies
[06:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: how?
[06:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: cause kdesu used sudo for authentication, but the profile in use was the root profile
[06:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdesudo uses sudo directly, as a wrapper
[06:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: so when you kdesudo adept for example, the user profile is used, like with sudo, and then you get your visual prefs like fonts etc.......
[06:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: another bug kdesu caused
[06:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: before kdesudo, I had to manually sync my settings in /root, useless now :)
[06:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can change your fonts for example and launch adept, your prefs are used, which is nice :)
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll take care to release a kdesudo tarball this we, btw, although there is still a bug with the kmenu, but that doesn't' corrupt anything
[06:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: sounds like it's in danger of writing to user config files as root
[06:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: gksudo does it..... also does sudo btw
[06:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: you don't write them as root, as you are the user
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me test a bit
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: note that there is no bug report reguarding to this atm
[06:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, if you write a file in admin mode, you need that mode, and therefore will reuse the mode to edit the file right ?
[06:40] <Tonio_> well I understand your point, but I can't find a scenario to introduce the problem....
[06:41] <Riddell> I hope it won't be a problem, just something to keep an eye out for
[06:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect if that was really dangerous, gtsudo wouldn't do it that way
[06:56] <Riddell> arg
[06:56] <stdin> you fixed the build-dep but not the package deps :p
[06:57] <Riddell> so many things to remember
[06:58] <stdin> heh, you're only human, you're supposed to make the odd mistake
[06:58] <stdin> makes the rest of  us feel better about ourselfs :p
[06:59] <Riddell> fix uploaded
[07:01] <stdin> let's hope this one is magic upload :)
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Is playground built as well for KDE4?
[07:01] <Riddell> in what way?
[07:01] <Riddell> it's not packaged
[07:09] <DaSkreech> Ok So few Plama applets?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Are we using Oxygen for Hardy?
[07:27] <Riddell> in KDE 4
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Thought it might be a nice segue
[07:29] <Riddell> nice what?
[07:31] <DaSkreech> visual bridge inbetween moving from KDE3 and KDE4
[07:31] <DaSkreech> We are doing things like dolphin and strigi
[07:32] <Riddell> it might be, but the artists don't want it
[07:32] <Riddell> inface KDE developers aren't too happy with us using dolphin (spoils the KDE 4 surprise)
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[07:33] <DaSkreech> How can it be a surprise?
[07:34] <DaSkreech>  and they have so much new stuff built in the KDe4 one anyway
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Working in glass house and making surprises
[07:57] <davmor2> Riddell: Yes update-notifier-common is installed.
[07:58] <Riddell> davmor2: oh, but you switch your computer off at night?
[07:58] <davmor2> Riddell: I just kept seeing this green circle every time I logged in
[07:58] <davmor2> sometimes
[07:58] <davmor2> I have kubuntu on my laptop which I do switch on and off
[07:59] <Riddell> I guess if you turn your computer off then it doesn't do the nightly apt-get update which update-notifier-common tells it to
[07:59] <Riddell> so it won't know about any updates until you run adept-updater which will do the apt-get update the
[07:59] <Riddell> then
[08:00] <davmor2> might that not be confusing for first time users?
[08:04] <Riddell> dunno, I've never thought about it until now
[08:06] <fdoving> Riddell: anacron does not assume the computer is always on. so that should not be a problem.
[08:08] <davmor2> Riddell: Ubuntu's doesn't do it.
[08:08] <Riddell> mm
[08:10] <fdoving> you can grep /var/log/syslog for 'anacron' and see if it ever runs cron.daily
[08:11] <fdoving> that way you will also see what time it is executed.
[08:12] <davmor2> hang on
[08:16] <davmor2> job 'cron.daily' terminated
[08:16] <davmor2> Normal exit
[08:18] <Riddell> davmor2: and you have /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic presumably?
[08:18] <davmor2> hang on
[08:19] <fdoving> if update-notifier-common is installed it should be there, unless you deleted it of course.
[08:19] <davmor2> it's there yes
[08:21] <fdoving> does it say:
[08:21] <fdoving> APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
[08:21] <fdoving> ?
[08:22] <fdoving> you can also check that with software-properties-kde
[08:22] <fdoving> in the Updates tab.
[08:22] <davmor2> yes first line
[08:22] <fdoving> ok. then it should be OK.
[08:23] <Riddell> a bit of a mystery
[08:24] <davmor2> I am wondering if it is running before the wifi is connected so it is reading an old package list?
[08:25] <fdoving> might be.
[08:26] <fdoving> anacron is started from the boot-script, and also triggered from acpi-resumes.
[08:26] <davmor2> hang on then I connect a hard line
[08:26] <fdoving> you probably don't connect wifi before you're well logged in.
[08:26] <fdoving> that might present a problem if you don't suspend at all.
[08:28] <Riddell> mm, that could be it
[08:28] <fdoving> anacron can be triggerd with some magic command.
[08:28] <fdoving> maybe we should consider running that on login.
[08:29] <fdoving> Riddell: that is /etc/acpi/resume.d/85-anacron.sh
[08:30] <davmor2> okay hardwired now and rebooting...  green circle but in adept with an update there are 2 updates available :(
[08:31] <fdoving> davmor2: what if you execute /etc/acpi/resume.d/85-anacron.sh manually?
[08:31] <fdoving> after logging in and all.
[08:32] <davmor2> how? is it sudo'd or not etc...
[08:32] <fdoving> sudo it.
[08:33] <fdoving> hang on.. that might not work.
[08:33] <davmor2> your right
[08:34] <fdoving> actually, that might not work, as the daily cron is already executed.
[08:36] <davmor2> the only reason I brought it up was that it might give a false sense of security.  there could actually be 100's of updates.
[08:37] <fdoving> yeah, it's important.
[08:40] <fdoving> actually.. it looks like anacron will give the daily job a 5min delay.. before executing.
[08:40] <fdoving> Sep  6 11:14:09 delta anacron[7803] : Will run job `cron.daily' in 5 min.
[08:41] <fdoving> brb. kid -> bed.
[08:44] <davmor2> so in that case is there anyway to stop the first run and just have the 5min one?
[08:50] <mhb> hi all!
[08:51] <Riddell> hi mhb, good camping?
[08:54] <mhb> terrible, rained all the time
[08:55] <davmor2> mhb that'll be good camping then you don't want all that sunshine no challenge
[08:56] <mhb> Riddell: any news on the bug I am intersted in?
[08:56] <Riddell> mhb: konsole forking?
[08:56] <mhb> yeah
[08:56] <mhb> nobody did the meeting minutes?
[08:56] <Riddell> mhb: none from me I'm afraid, mvo was looking into it I've not heard anything from him
[08:56] <Riddell> there wasn't that much to minute
[08:57] <Riddell> mootbot should have logs
[08:57] <Riddell> http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/
[08:57] <Riddell> hmm, can't see it
[09:02] <fdoving> davmor2: yes, you can remove the anacron boot service, kmenu -> system settings -> advanced [tab]  -> system services -> find anacron, set 'Start at Boot' to 'No'
[09:03] <davmor2> fdoving: I meant in general sorry?
[09:03] <fdoving> davmor2: in general, as in? - disable the before-networking anacron run?
[09:04] <davmor2> so it doesn't happen at all just the one 5 mins into a session
[09:06] <davmor2> fdoving: I'm actually part of the iso testing team so I will be going back to my gnome roots.  However as there was no real release this time it has give me time to spend 24 hours in each desktop find faults or confirming others closed.
[09:06] <davmor2> this was just a fault I noticed
[09:08] <fdoving> davmor2: is this kubuntu specific?
[09:08] <davmor2> yes doesn't happen in ubuntu
[09:08] <fdoving> funny.
[09:09] <fdoving> then it has nothing to do with the cron entries and boot script as they are the same.
[09:09] <davmor2> ubuntu will run a few seconds after the system has started
[09:09] <fdoving> after login, right?
[09:10] <davmor2> yes
[09:10] <davmor2> brb need caffeine
[09:19] <davmor2> back
[09:23] <davmor2> fdoving: yes I think all the others use ubuntu's update manager.  I am pretty sure Xubuntu does and edubuntu is gnome too
[09:27] <davmor2> has the kdebluetooth thing been solved yet too?
[09:29] <DaSkreech> hi hunger
[09:30] <hunger> DaSkreech: Ho!
[09:31] <hunger> I'm out of touch with all the MLs for about 4 weeks now. Don't want to think how many mails I'll have to download.
[09:33] <DaSkreech> Just saw on the Moz planet that someone had to wait 30 Minutes formail after getting back net
[09:50] <davmor2> fdoving: Riddell: do you want me to put the adept update thing into an lp bug?
[09:50] <Riddell> davmor2: report it to update-manager
[09:51] <davmor2> np It's just I need to put edubuntu on my test machines now.
[10:06] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 138076
[10:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138076 in update-manager "adept's update-manager displays no updates available on start-up" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138076
[10:07] <davmor2> right off to edubuntu land see you when the beta's out
[10:09] <nixternal> Riddell: anything you would like to see added/changed to/in edubuntu-desktop-kde?
[10:16] <nixternal> DaSkreech: msg'd dinounix just for you :)
[10:16] <nixternal> about time you sent the email as well
[10:17] <DaSkreech> I know I sent myself an e-mail to remind me
[10:17] <nixternal> lol
[10:35] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Say my name!
[10:36] <nixternal> my name!
[10:36] <DaSkreech> spelt my name wrong in the message :)
[10:36] <DaSkreech> not so easy without tab is it/
[10:36] <DaSkreech> ?
[10:37] <nixternal> ahh, I added an "a", whoooptydoooo :p
[10:38] <DaSkreech> yeah
[10:38] <DaSkreech> anyway
[10:38] <DaSkreech> home jeeves!
[10:55] <nixternal> how are the beta 2 packages for gutsy doing? any known issues off hand I can try to avoid?
[11:34] <Riddell> nixternal: not especially
[12:03] <nixternal> roger that
[12:03] <nixternal> have a great vacation if I don't talk to you before you leave!