[12:39] <stdin> ordinor: then it would still start, just later
[12:39] <ordinor> will try
[12:40] <stdin> zeemon: what's with the nick-spam?
[12:40] <zeemon> sorry
[12:40] <zeemon> -.-
[12:46] <ScorpKing> spider: the only thing that i find is that .directory is used for the thumbnail view. it would be nice to have the option of different background but i'll look into it some other time.
[12:49] <spider_> in the window of the desktop in the .directory file i can see: "BgImage="
[12:49] <ScorpKing> ah!
[12:49] <Krazytekn0> The gutsy live CD (tribe 5) is one of the best working CD's I've used
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Krazytekn0, 32bit vers?
[12:50] <Krazytekn0> BluesKaj , Yeah, I pretty much don't use 64 anything, I like my youtube too much and don't like the pain of setting it all up
[12:52] <BluesKaj> right, I couldn't use the 32 bit ... wouldn't load X
[12:52] <BluesKaj> so back to feisty
[12:53] <Krazytekn0> aaah, weird. I have always had to use the vesa driver for the LiveCD , but I'm installing right now, and gonna see how the nvidia binary driver works with gutsy
[12:53] <Krazytekn0> <----distro install junkie
[12:54] <Krazytekn0> well be back later guys
[12:56] <Luismi> any have Wireless rtl8185 ?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[12:57] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:07] <argonel> i've an installation stalled in adept, i clicked on the Show Details button, and it appears to be waiting for me to click ok in debconf.. is there anyway to actually get the input through to it?
[01:14] <encom> #ubuntu-es
[01:14] <elzbal> argonel: You can quit adept and run (
[01:14] <elzbal> argonel: You can quit adept and run (I think) apt-get -f update
[01:15] <BluesKaj> argonel, what are you trying to install?
[01:15] <elzbal> His adept hung up on him, which happens to me sometimes too.
[01:17] <BluesKaj> yes , but sometimes the app requires an acceptance and if the details window isn't open you see it , and it will stall there til you agree
[01:17] <BluesKaj> you won't see it
[01:18] <BluesKaj> java and flash and some other apps do this
[01:19] <BluesKaj> if not , then try ' sudo dpkg --configure -a '
[01:19] <ScorpKing> and vmware-player :)
[01:19] <BluesKaj> yup
[01:19] <argonel> BluesKaj: i opened the details window, it wants me to click ok, but no clicks seem to do anything
[01:19] <argonel> and its vmware-player
[01:20] <BluesKaj> type Y
[01:20] <ScorpKing> argonel: or <TAB>
[01:20] <argonel> in spite of the button saying "ok"? :)
[01:20] <BluesKaj> yes , the tab is important there
[01:21] <argonel> none of the above do anything, its just sitting there
[01:21] <ScorpKing> thats why i use aptitude :)
[01:22] <argonel> i can highlight text in the details panel, that's it
[01:22] <ScorpKing> argonel: try clicking inside the window and then press <TAB> to get to OK
[01:23] <BluesKaj> aptitude isn't perfect either , it screwed up some apps I was trying to install, or didn't see them in the repos
[01:23] <argonel> no reaction
[01:24] <ScorpKing> mmm. try talking to it nicely...
[01:24] <argonel> oddly, the panel is half white, the textmode scrollbar is drawn badly
[01:24] <argonel> ScorpKing: it's too late for that, i've already sworn at it and threatened erase+reinstall :)
[01:24] <ScorpKing> argonel: no wonder it doesn't work. haha
[01:25] <argonel> maybe its just buggered.. its 6.10 (whatever release that makes it)
[01:26] <ScorpKing> something that works for me....
[01:26] <BluesKaj> edgy
[01:27] <ScorpKing> kill the installer and go to the shell. type sudo aptitude install asdfasdasdf . it will start over and try again. not sure what it will do on your system but if you're stuck, you're stuck. :(
[01:28] <argonel> ScorpKing: well, i'll just resort to dpkg, i'm a longtime debian user.. i installed this on a friends machine in the hopes of having a trouble-free linux desktop
[01:28] <argonel> so far it's been nothing but trouble :)
[01:29] <ScorpKing> next time use the cli
[01:29] <ScorpKing> it works much better. :)
[01:29] <argonel> for me, yes. for a former windows user, not really :)
[01:30] <ScorpKing> true, but we all have to learn at some stage... busy teaching my girlfriend. what a mission. lol
[01:31] <ScorpKing> why are there only 57 nicks left in this channel?
[01:31] <argonel> netsplit
[01:32] <elzbal> !netsplit
[01:32] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[01:32] <argonel> *clank*
[01:32] <ScorpKing> oh. they're comming back...
[01:33] <ScorpKing> elzbal: thanks for the info. :)
[01:33] <cloud> heyo
[01:34] <cloud> My ATI card is being read as an AGP 1x card, any way to change that?
[01:46] <rdvon> Hello, I was installing an hp photosmart c5100 using the hplip program, the printer is on a network and seems to be not working, it is not hardware related as far as I know..
[01:46] <fangorious> the beta2 post on kubuntu.org says to install kdebase-workspace from feisty-backports, but I don't see that package after enabling the backports repo
[01:46] <rdvon> The problem is it will start loading when I turn it on, but than after that it will give me a red green blue bar pattern.
[01:47] <rdvon> the color pattern, which usually means error! ;)
[01:47] <hitmanWilly> fangorious: try installing via apt
[01:47] <fangorious> hitmanWilly: right, apt can't find it
[01:48] <hitmanWilly> oh, ok...hmm weird
[01:48] <fangorious> wondering if the announcement beat the server, or if maybe the listed package name is a typo
[01:49] <hitmanWilly> possible, try searching various parts of the name
[01:49] <fangorious> yeah, all the 3.92 kde4 packages are still there, 3.92 was beta 1 wasn't it?
[01:50] <hitmanWilly> not sure, don't really keep up on it
[01:50] <hitmanWilly> still using 3.7 here
[01:51] <hitmanWilly> *3.5.7
[01:52] <albertmk> Question: How can I boot my Kubuntu in text mode?
[01:53] <ScorpKing> albertmk: press <esc> when the computer starts up and select the second option.
[01:58] <fangorious> yeah, beta2 is 3.93
[02:03] <Bearcat> hey folks. Kmail is driving me nuts. When i try to get mail, nothing happends. Even if i put in an incorrect name and password it doesn't even warn me. Is there a way i can run it and see what it's doing?
[02:06] <BluesKaj> Bearcat, type kmail in the konsole and check the resulting output
[02:06] <Bearcat> there are no messages in the console
[02:07] <BluesKaj> does kmail launch ?
[02:08] <Bearcat> BluesKaj: yes. I have it set up correctly. But if i hit the button do download mail or choose it in the menu system, all it does is say "transmission complete. no new messages" and updats the time in that label. I *know* there are messages up there as i can see them with the imap server.
[02:09] <Bearcat> and this is dialup so it can't be checking that quickly
[02:09] <Bearcat> i can *send* but not recieve
[02:10] <albertmk> Need help. Is there anyway I can reconfigure my kubuntu drivers????????
[02:10] <albertmk> My video driver is not correct because I made some mistakes.
[02:10] <albertmk> When I installeld Kubuntu before it was okay
[02:10] <NickPresta> albertmk, `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
[02:10] <albertmk> I did it
[02:11] <albertmk> I cant configure it correctly
[02:11] <BluesKaj> imap server ooohh, not familiar with that ...strictly pop server experience here
[02:11] <albertmk> when I installed it by the cd, it was really good
[02:11] <albertmk> is there anyway to recover the last configuration of drivers?
[02:11] <ScorpKing> BluesKaj: same problem we talked about yesterday.
[02:12] <albertmk> I mean, the same when I installed my kubuntu?
[02:13] <BluesKaj> ScorpKing, do you about imap ?
[02:13] <BluesKaj> know
[02:13] <ScorpKing> BluesKaj: no - kmail not fetching mail. or am i lost?
[02:13] <albertmk> very helpful channel
[02:14] <Bearcat> ScorpKing: it was i who asked about kmail not fetching
[02:14] <ScorpKing> albertmk: we know. what did you change?
[02:14] <albertmk> the video driver
[02:14] <ScorpKing> Bearcat: lol. still not fixed? i installed thunderbird.
[02:14] <newsense> albertmk: if it was good why;d ya change it ?
[02:15] <Bearcat> ScorpKing: is this a known bug? O.o
[02:15] <winbond> !ntfs
[02:15] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:15] <albertmk> it was not so perfect
[02:15] <albertmk> but much better than now
[02:15] <albertmk> so I installed NVidia by apt
[02:15] <winbond> !fuse
[02:15] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[02:15] <ScorpKing> Bearcat: i have no idea. just hope it gets fixed at some stage.
[02:15] <albertmk> which destroyed my X
[02:15] <Bearcat> ScorpKing: i just wanna get this done tonight so i can wash my hands of this system
[02:15] <shadowhywind> does anyone know how to run a script when the screensaver starts
[02:15] <ScorpKing> Bearcat: ur a tec?
[02:16] <BluesKaj> Bearcat, unfortunately i've heard kamil is difficult to set up in imap
[02:16] <albertmk> so I  `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`, but its not cool for me
[02:16] <Bearcat> ScorpKing: yeah
[02:16] <Bearcat> BluesKaj: well, i'm just trying to get plain old pop3 working.
[02:16] <albertmk> I wish I could get all the configuration from CD installation without reinstalling Kubuntu again
[02:16] <ScorpKing> Bearcat: i know the feeling. uh...
[02:16] <BluesKaj> prolly the wise choice Bearcat , it's much easier
[02:16] <Bearcat> It *was* working, then somthing updated and now pop3 fetchng does nothiing in kmail
[02:17] <Bearcat> BluesKaj: what's the wise chiose?
[02:17] <winbond> whats the quickest way to mount a ntsc hd with write access??
[02:17] <BluesKaj> pop3
[02:17] <Bearcat> BluesKaj: right. Pop3 is what's not working.
[02:17] <BluesKaj> and if allowed thunderbird as an email client
[02:17] <Bearcat> when i hit "Check mail in" nothing happens
[02:18] <BluesKaj> imap is old protocol , is it not ?
[02:18] <Bearcat> BluesKaj: yes
[02:18] <winbond> !ntfs-3g
[02:18] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:18] <hydrogen_> imap and pop3 are both "old protocols"
[02:19] <BluesKaj> hydrogen_, what's new one?
[02:19] <hydrogen_> there is no new mail protocol
[02:20] <ScorpKing> winbond: mount-t ntfs-3g -o rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/hd* /media/dir* - you'll have to install ntfs-3g for that.
[02:21] <winbond> ScorpKing, i got the 3g thing installed but im getting access denied
[02:22] <randy> hi all
[02:22] <randy> plz help i am trying to reinstall compiz and it is saying broken install
[02:22] <ScorpKing> winbond: us sudo
[02:22] <randy> i have gone trough the removal steps but nothing
[02:22] <elzbal> winbond: You'll need to use sudo for that.
[02:23] <hydrogen_> you should probably add a fstab line
[02:25] <rgrolemund> anyhow, any thoughts on how to reset kubuntu so it doesn't think compiz is installed anymore?
[02:26] <winbond> ScorpKing, elzbal nice thanks
[02:26] <NickPresta> rgrolemund, are you sure compiz is not installed? Run this: `dpkg -l | grep compiz`
[02:26] <ScorpKing> winbond: np :)
[02:27] <rgrolemund> sec, i'll run it. when i go to adept and try to install it says broken install
[02:27] <rgrolemund> want me to paste what it says?
[02:28] <rgrolemund> don't want to get spam kicked
[02:28] <NickPresta> rgrolemund, if you have any lines that are prefixed with a 'ii', it means they're installed
[02:29] <ScorpKing> !pastebin
[02:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:29] <ScorpKing> rgrolemund: see above
[02:29] <rgrolemund> rc  compiz-gnome                               1:0.5.2+git20070829-0ubuntu1
[02:29] <rgrolemund> and 4 other lines
[02:30] <NickPresta> rgrolemund, so what happens when you try to install compiz?
[02:30] <rgrolemund> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36640/
[02:31] <rgrolemund> it says "broken install"
[02:31] <rgrolemund> i've been trolling forums all night trying to fix it. was working fine until I installed a remote desktop app that removed compiz partially
[02:32] <WaxyFresh> hi what file tells programs to autoboot when starting the kde enviroment?
[02:32] <WaxyFresh> i have 2 anoying torrents that keep trying to start
[02:33] <NickPresta> WaxyFresh, try clearing/ending your session
[02:33] <hydrogen> kde starts whatever programs were running at the end of the previous session
[02:33] <Deihmos> finally decided to try ubuntu out
[02:33] <WaxyFresh> you mean actually useing the shutdown feature?huh i knew it was there for a reason
[02:33] <NickPresta> WaxyFresh, "logout" should suffice
[02:34] <rgrolemund> here is the exact language in adept manager - I click "request install" and under the requested column it says "BREAK (install)
[02:34] <NickPresta> rgrolemund, open up a Konsole and type: `sudo apt-get -f install` and see what comes out. Post the results to a pastebin, please
[02:34] <WaxyFresh> i installed kde 4.0 and am now haveing problems with it how would i revert back?
[02:35] <Bearcat> !kubuntu-desktop
[02:35] <ubotu> k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.
[02:35] <BluesKaj> rgrolemund, that means one or more hardware drivers are wrong
[02:35] <Bearcat> cool
[02:36] <rgrolemund> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36641/
[02:36] <Bearcat> 'cause there is no way i'm waiting for openoffice to download on her dial-up
[02:36] <rgrolemund> u know, I have been having probs with my nvidia drivers I am using the proprietaty ones
[02:37] <NickPresta> rgrolemund, try to install the package that "breaks" via Konsole: `sudo apt-get install PACKAGE`. See if it spits out an error message
[02:37] <Deihmos> what is the best irc client for ubuntu?
[02:37] <BluesKaj> sometimes it's the monitor driver , not often but it's worth checking
[02:37] <rgrolemund> couldn't find package
[02:38] <rgrolemund> my monitor is listed, the exact one. still possible?
[02:38] <Deihmos> can someone tell me the best irc client for ubuntu
[02:38] <NickPresta> Deihmos, the best is whichever you like using :P
[02:38] <BluesKaj> konversation is good
[02:38] <Deihmos> recommenda
[02:38] <Deihmos> that is the one i just installed
[02:39] <rgrolemund> ya i'm using that, it does the job
[02:39] <Deihmos> doesn't even have a list of servers which sucks
[02:39] <BluesKaj> true
[02:39] <Deihmos> i guess i will have to look up the servers myself
[02:39] <hangthedj_laptop> xchat is nice
[02:41] <ordinor>  /server openprojects.net
[02:42] <Tm_T> Deihmos: best irc client in all world is definately irssi, if you like it ;-P
[02:42] <rgrolemund> BTW NickPresta, it said could not find package
[02:42] <ordinor> has anyone had problems with instability in x86_64 ubuntu and java?
[02:44] <ordinor> or with x86_64 kubuntu, firefox, and java?
[02:44] <Deihmos> can't access raid drives
[02:44] <Deihmos> that is normal right?
[02:44] <shadowhywind> hay all, a slight issue, when my screensaver starts its just uses a blank black screen. no matter what screensaver i use, any ideas?
[02:45] <rgrolemund> do u have ur "turn off monitor" set to the same amount of time?
[02:45] <BluesKaj> ordinor, ati graphics ?
[02:45] <shadowhywind> i also disabled that feature rgrolemund
[02:46] <ordinor> yes, onboard r200
[02:46] <rdvon> I'm getting errors from konqueror as well as kubuntu
[02:46] <ordinor> common problem?
[02:46] <rdvon> I updated my sources.list to get the latest kde
[02:46] <Bearcat> you know what? kmail is acting as if i dont' have an internet connectoin. I wonder if it jsut doesn't know to look at the dial-up connection. Is there a place need to tell it to?
[02:46] <rdvon> and now Im getting a "no mime types installed" error message in all my kde programs.
[02:47] <rdvon> Like konqueror and amaroK
[02:49] <rgrolemund> >>NickPresta, please check this out http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36642/
[02:55] <NickPresta> rgrolemund, so install compiz-gnome. Which package are you trying to install?
[02:56] <sousl> Hello, does anyone know a good database? I'm trying to give my friend a quick patch that isn't working for him. SO i wantto host it from my own computer
[02:56] <rgrolemund> i don't know how or why compiz gnome was installed I followed a tutorial online for kubuntu
[02:57] <sousl> Anyone know?
[02:57] <hydrogen> what does a database have to do with a patch
[02:57] <hydrogen> and what do you want to host
[02:57] <sousl> I want to host the a game patch for a friend..
[02:57] <WaxyFresh> how would i switch from kde 4.0 to 3.57?
[02:57] <hydrogen> and what does a database have to do with that..
[02:57] <sousl> because the server is all filled....
[02:57] <sousl> Idk, i thought i did
[02:59] <rgrolemund> i may be on to something here did a locate compiz from terminal
[02:59] <rgrolemund> 3 files to delete
[02:59] <Max-P> Hi, if I make an error in /etc/modules, can I correct it after without reinstalling all?
[03:00] <hydrogen> yes
[03:00] <Max-P> how?
[03:00] <hydrogen> just change it?
[03:00] <sousl> Anyone want to help me?
[03:01] <Max-P> Will it boot anyway?
[03:01] <hydrogen> yes
[03:01] <Max-P> ok
[03:01] <Max-P> Thanks
[03:01] <ordinor> ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] 
[03:03] <rgrolemund> brb rebooting
[03:08] <rgrolemund> dang it's still doing it
[03:08] <coreymon77> doing what
[03:08] <coreymon77> ?
[03:09] <rgrolemund> oh i had compiz installed earlier just fine and followed someone's guide on a forum and it hosed it up
[03:09] <xp_killer> who here use kotepe for msn or yahoo?i need to know how to activat my webcam for my firends can view my linux.the drivers are install allready.they explain me at the website http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support but i dont understand,the thing with kernel etc...
[03:09] <rgrolemund> so i have been trying to get rid of all the files for a clean install
[03:09] <rgrolemund> I do XP
[03:10] <rgrolemund> is there poss some config file that I should look in for traces of compiz?
[03:11] <Bearcat> man i would love it if someone could help me fix this. My client wants to keep kmail but it simply won't even start to look for mail. However i can send just fine
[03:11] <rgrolemund> i didn't like kmail, using thunderbird
[03:12] <xp_killer> stdin: who here use kotepe for msn or yahoo?i need to know how to activat my webcam for my firends can view my linux.the drivers are install allready.they explain me at the website http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support but i dont understand,the thing with kernel etc...
[03:12] <stdin> xp_killer: if you are asking the channel, why did you address that to me??
[03:12] <rgrolemund> lol
[03:14] <rgrolemund> hey isn't there some sort of "force" switch I could use to reinstall?
[03:15] <larson9999> how do you turn off the bouncy cursor?
[03:15] <xp_killer> stdin: sorry lol i adress the ch first no one answer so i saw u was there so...i allso ask in the french ch no one answer me
[03:15] <NickPresta> larson9999, K Menu > System Settings > Keyboard and Mouse > Mouse > Uncheck "Visual Feedback on Activation"
[03:16] <NickPresta> larson9999, argh. Sorry about that. That isn't correct
[03:18] <xp_killer> stdin: it wont be long just explain me from this website http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support
[03:18] <NickPresta> larson9999, in KControl, go to Appearance and Themes > Launch Feedback. Change it to whatever you like.
[03:19] <stdin> xp_killer: start a chat and Use the Send webcam option in file menu to send your webcam stream to your buddy.
[03:20] <xp_killer> stdin: it dont work :(
[03:20] <kdxx> is there some trick to setting up ssh in kubuntu? all im used to doing is sudo apt-get install ssh , ive done this, yet cannot log into from a fifferent machine on this lan
[03:20] <ordinor> NickPresta:  KControl ?
[03:20] <stdin> xp_killer: help if you define "didn't work" ......
[03:21] <newsense> sshd maybe?
[03:21] <NickPresta> ordinor, yeah. I don't remember if there is a menu entry for it by default, but you can type "kcontrol" in a console to bring it up (or hit Alt+F2 and type it)
[03:21] <larson9999> NickPresta, thanks, i knew it was the rocket.  still haven't combined the 2 'control panels' eh?
[03:21] <newsense> ordinor: nm
[03:21] <Dragnslcr> !info openssh-server | kdxx
[03:21] <ubotu> kdxx: openssh-server: Secure shell server, an rshd replacement. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.3p2-8ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 230 kB, installed size 596 kB
[03:22] <ordinor> OH , control center
[03:22] <xp_killer> stdin: im in config>device im seing the preview wat the webcam is lookin at.the help says nothing
[03:22] <stdin> xp_killer: yeah, go out of that, start a chat with someone and Use the Send webcam option in file menu to send your webcam stream to your buddy.
[03:23] <xp_killer> stdin: i workin now.i keep the device window open and send the stream
[03:24] <xp_killer> stdin: i had to keep it open
[03:24] <xp_killer> stdin: sorry for the bother
[03:26] <xtv-ca> Hi
[03:26] <Schuenemann> is there a tutorial teaching how to create a .deb?
[03:27] <NickPresta> !hi | xtv-ca
[03:27] <rgrolemund> need an opinion, should i use the nvidia glx new or restricted drivers? i have a 7600gs
[03:27] <ubotu> xtv-ca: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:27] <xtv-ca> "invalid compressed format" problem installing kubuntu. Some ideas?
[03:28] <stdin> !packaging | Schuenemann
[03:28] <ubotu> Schuenemann: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[03:28] <encom> #ubuntu-es
[03:28] <Schuenemann> thank
[03:28] <NickPresta> xtv-ca, did you burn the CD at it's lowest speed on a decent quality CD-R?
[03:29] <xtv-ca> yes
[03:33] <draik> !list
[03:33] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:33] <draik> How do I get a list of all the active channels?
[03:33] <coreymon77> !botsnack
[03:33] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:33] <Schuenemann> draik, try /list
[03:34] <draik> Thank you
[03:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> back when i ordered a bunch of ubuntu discs... more or less as a joke...  i believe it was hoary
[03:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> get off my lawn!
[03:49] <AirstrikeIvanov> Uh, quick question. Why does Ubuntu's apt-cache repos have packages for cracking other peoples' wireless internets?
[03:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> same reason it has a brute-force password cracker.
[03:50] <newsense> AirstrikeIvanov: i think its meant for testing your "own" network :)
[03:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> just because *you* immediately thought about doing bad things with it doesn't mean that's all you can do :P
[03:50] <AirstrikeIvanov> No, I just wanted to know why there was some strange host on my wireless, and if that would be able to kick them off of my router :/
[03:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> i would like to make a serious proposal for the release after hardy...  Ignoble Icthyosaur!
[03:50] <newsense> use wpa
[03:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> AirstrikeIvanov: secure your network better?
[03:50] <AirstrikeIvanov> I do use WPA
[03:51] <newsense> use mac filtering too
[03:51] <AirstrikeIvanov> whats strange is the hostname is 'ubuntu', and its not on any of my computers
[03:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> well go through your router's web interface and force a disconnect if you can
[03:52] <AirstrikeIvanov> doesnt give me that option, but i changed the SSID and WPA key, and restarted it
[04:03] <ubuntu_> guys i really screwed up just had to boot from cd
[04:03] <ubuntu_> oops
[04:03] <ubuntu_> whats the command to change name
[04:05] <rgrolemund> anyhow I am just going to format my drive but i gotta back some stuff up. trying to mount the drive but not having success.
[04:05] <rgrolemund> keeps denying me, presume password
[04:05] <stdin> use sudo to mount it
[04:08] <aesebu55> I have 2 different USB gampads that work in jcalibration but the up/down/left/right won't work in FCE. I have tried several things I found on google but nothing is helping me
[04:12] <rgrolemund> hey stdin u there
[04:12] <stdin> I guess so
[04:13] <rgrolemund> can u plz give me a basic mount command, I have been using linux a week :(
[04:13] <stdin> rgrolemund: like "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt"
[04:14] <newsense> rgrolemund: man mount
[04:14] <rgrolemund> ya like that, but its not working.
[04:15] <newsense> rgrolemund: mounting a hard drive ?
[04:15] <rgrolemund> ya
[04:15] <stdin> helps if you say how it's not working, error message are good
[04:16] <rgrolemund> i screwed up my video drivers and it will not load the x server so i had to boot from hte cd
[04:16] <rgrolemund> lol sorry
[04:16] <newsense> rgrolemund
[04:16] <rgrolemund> dev/hda1 does not exist
[04:17] <rgrolemund> yes new?
[04:17] <newsense> ;run df -h
[04:18] <stdin> rgrolemund: that was just an example, it may be another device
[04:18] <newsense> see /dev/hda listed ?
[04:18] <rgrolemund> whats that website to paste
[04:18] <stdin> !paste
[04:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:18] <rgrolemund> ty
[04:19] <rgrolemund> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36649/
[04:20] <kgee> anyone know of a good program to translate .ogg files to mp3? I need something that will recurse into directories and convert anything it finds. It would be a real nuisance to have to change 5 600 songs :S
[04:20] <stdin> rgrolemund: post what "sudo fdisk -l" shows
[04:21] <stdin> kgee: soundkonverter ?
[04:21] <rgrolemund> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36651/
[04:21] <kgee> stdin: I'll give it a look. Thanks :)
[04:22] <stdin> rgrolemund: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[04:22] <rgrolemund> got it
[04:22] <rgrolemund> already on it :) tyvm
[04:22] <rgrolemund> trying to make the change from winblows over to linux
[04:23] <rgrolemund> apprec the help tonight
[04:23] <stdin> rgrolemund: you can also edit your old xorg.conf (in /mnt/etc/X11/xorg.conf) to change it back to the old driver, saves a reinstall
[04:23] <rgrolemund> hmmmm
[04:28] <thomas> help with users and groups?
[04:28] <nalioth> thomas: just ask your question  :)
[04:29] <thomas> ok well using kde, I'm trying to setup a normal account and then my admin account but don't know how
[04:29] <thomas> I tried going into user management
[04:29] <awilcox> thomas: define "admin"... root?
[04:29] <awilcox> !root
[04:29] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:29] <thomas> but when I click on "new" I don'[t know what primary group and secondary group things do....theres so many
[04:30] <awilcox> thomas: oh, that's all
[04:30] <thomas> awilcox: HEY AWILSCOX, you again, yes root
[04:30] <awilcox> thomas: :)
[04:30] <thomas> your admin of IRC!
[04:30] <awilcox> thomas: I get around the network :p
[04:30] <thomas> lol
[04:31] <thomas> so  yea
[04:31] <awilcox> thomas: anyway, ubotu just told you about root.
[04:31] <awilcox> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:31] <thomas> k one sec
[04:32] <stdin> thomas: leave the primary group alone, that will be set for you. in the secondary groups all you have to do is add "admin" if you want them to be able to use administrator privileges, leave it as default if not
[04:33] <awilcox> correct
[04:33] <awilcox> though if you want them to have sound you need 'audio'
[04:33] <awilcox> let me pull up my group ids
[04:33] <awilcox> uid=1000(awilcox) gid=1000(awilcox) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),33(www-data),39(irc),44(video),46(plugdev),100(users),106(lpadmin),110(scanner),111(admin),1000(awilcox)
[04:34] <awilcox> you can probably guess what most of those do.  adm/admin for administrative, dialout for modem, cdrom for CD, floppy, audio, users, etc.
[04:34] <awilcox> though irc is for the IRC server I run, _not_ for clients
[04:35] <awilcox> and www-data for is Apache modifications (that's the default group of /var/www et al)
[04:35] <awilcox> lpadmin is for printer administration
[04:35] <awilcox> lp = line printer
[04:36] <thomas> ok there are like a milliono different groups
[04:36] <awilcox> hehe -- not really.
[04:36] <awilcox> there should be a little over 100 with a default install
[04:36] <awilcox> and I just told you what most of them do.
[04:36] <thomas> audio, cd rom, admin etc....
[04:36] <thomas> which ones do I need
[04:37] <cloud> lol, dig this ya'll, i'm reading the subscriber agreement for timewarner cable and found this
[04:37] <stdin> thomas: most of them will be already set as default
[04:37] <awilcox> probably all the ones I have that you have on your system
[04:37] <cloud> The TWC Parties shall have no liability, except as set forth in Section 8(a), for interruption of the Services due to circumstances beyond its reasonable control, including acts of God, flood, natural disaster, vandalism, terrorism, regulation or governmental acts, fire, civil disturbance, electrical power outage, computer viruses or worms, strike or weather.
[04:37] <thomas> I read that you should daily use a normal account, and on the side have a root account
[04:37] <stdin> !ot | cloud
[04:37] <ubotu> cloud: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:37] <rgrolemund> ok so that mounted drive has a folder i need to get in to thats locked. In Konsole I tried to chmod it and its not permitted
[04:37] <awilcox> thomas: right.
[04:37] <awilcox> rgrolemund: sudo chmod
[04:38] <rgrolemund> oh
[04:38] <rgrolemund> duh :/
[04:38] <thomas> so then I created another useraccnout and I DON"T want it to be admin
[04:38] <awilcox> thomas: but with Kubuntu you only need one.
[04:38] <awilcox> oh okay
[04:38] <stdin> thomas: admin account is not root account
[04:38] <awilcox> so you want to know what a 'normal' user needs
[04:38] <thomas> sigh oops
[04:38] <awilcox> thomas: with Kubuntu, you use sudo, you don't even use root
[04:39] <awilcox> but if you really want a user account that you can use sudo on, don't put it in the adm or admin groups
[04:39] <thomas> ok i'll have to read up, dont know what sudu really is, but root = administrator
[04:39] <rgrolemund> is this correct? sudo chmod Desktop -rwx-rwx-rwx
[04:39] <awilcox> rgrolemund: no
[04:39] <rgrolemund> oh
[04:39] <awilcox> rgrolemund: sudo chmod Desktop 777
[04:39] <stdin> rgrolemund: why are you making your desktop 777 ?
[04:40] <rgrolemund> i need to copy files off the hardrive to another machine to backup
[04:40] <awilcox> stdin: it seems to be on a disk he mounted, and it seems to be owned by root.
[04:40] <rgrolemund> i have a few folders on tyhe desktop
[04:40] <rgrolemund> lol
[04:41] <awilcox> only because I've done it before -- many times
[04:41] <Crell> Hi all.  Has anyone gotten the Fn buttons working on a ThinkPad T61?
[04:41] <awilcox> stdin: the first three letters come out?  :p
[04:41] <Crell> I've not had luck with either KMilo or tpb. :-(
[04:41] <rgrolemund> chmod: invalid mode: `Desktop'
[04:41] <awilcox> bah
[04:41] <awilcox> sudo chmod 777 Desktop
[04:41] <awilcox> numbers first >_>
[04:42] <stdin> rgrolemund: sudo chmod o+rx Desktop        is nicer
[04:42] <stdin> 777 == the number of the devil
[04:42] <rgrolemund> o = others? right
[04:42] <stdin> yep
[04:42] <rgrolemund> well i did retain 1 thing
[04:43] <rgrolemund> i got in btw ty
[04:44] <Random832> how do i make gtk apps use the kde theme?
[04:44] <thomas> awilcox: so then if sudo is used for superuser only when needed whats the use for a "normal" or standard login rather than root?
[04:45] <stdin> Random832: try installing gtk-qt-engine
[04:45] <Random832> it's not working
[04:45] <Random832> i installed everything i can think of
[04:45] <ordinor> Random832: kcontrol
[04:45] <Random832> ...i looked there - there are settings, but they don't affect anything
[04:45] <ordinor> appearance and themes
[04:46] <ordinor> gtk styles and fonts
[04:46] <Random832> ...
[04:46] <Random832> i FOUND that
[04:46] <Random832> it's NOT WORKING. did i NOT already explain that?
[04:46] <ordinor> easy does it
[04:46] <stdin> !caps | Random832
[04:46] <ubotu> Random832: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[04:46] <Random832> files on my homedir beginning ".gtk" - .gtk_qt_engine_rc  .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2  .gtkrc-2.0-kde - is anything missing?
[04:46] <zibrah3ed> random832: lookup qtcurve
[04:46] <stdin> thomas: sudo gives the user super user privileges for that command (SuperUserDO), otherwise you are running commands as the normal user
[04:47] <Random832> why isn't it just working out of the box
[04:48] <zibrah3ed> mixing two different window manager themes?
[04:48] <stdin> because GTK is different from Qt, and some GTK apps don't take in to account other tool kits themes
[04:48] <Random832> ...um, i thought it was supposed to be set up so it's a gtk theme engine so it would work in all gtk apps
[04:48] <thomas> awilcox: but why does it ask me to enter passwords even after i've logged in with root
[04:49] <Random832> isn't that the entire point of _having_ the control panel that ubotu pointed me at?
[04:49] <Random832> oh
[04:49] <awilcox> thomas: as root
[04:49] <Random832> i found it
[04:49] <Random832> it relies on _environment variables_ :P
[04:49] <stdin> thomas: you don't login as root, it's disabled by default
[04:49] <Random832> so starting apps from screen didn't work
[04:49] <awilcox> thomas: you're still using sudo.
[04:49] <thomas> ooooooooooooooo
[04:49] <thomas> you mean adm and admin
[04:50] <awilcox> which requires a password.  it's basically just making sure you're not doing something stupid.  which I'm not saying you would, it's just a security mesaure used for the noobs that use Kubuntu
[04:50] <stdin> thomas: admin is a group, not a user
[04:50] <thomas> so If I add root in secondary groups then I dont need to enter passwords
[04:50] <awilcox> correct
[04:50] <awilcox> thomas, no
[04:50] <KevinOman> where are the network settings stored?
[04:50] <awilcox> thomas, you could do NOPASSWD in the sudoers file, but that's bad practice
[04:51] <stdin> KevinOman: in /etc/network/interfaces, but system settings > network settings is a GUI to edit that
[04:51] <thomas> so your saying I should keep a password, not like in the windows world
[04:51] <thomas> i mean keep one before changing system setting
[04:51] <awilcox> yes.
[04:52] <ttrocal> I see that a KDE 4 beta 2 announcement page is up at kubuntu.org mentioning packages for beta 2 in backports.  It seems those packages don't exist yet, though.  Is that correct?
[04:52] <stdin> thomas: the "windows world" is full of viruses and spyware because it's insecure, you don't want to be like that ;)
[04:52] <dotz> how do u rm files with an exclude parameter?
[04:52] <KevinOman> stdin thanks ;)
[04:52] <stdin> ttrocal: they are being built, just wait
[04:52] <dotz> eg i got alot of files with the '388' string on the file name which i want to exclude from remove
[04:53] <dotz> how huh
[04:53] <ttrocal> stdin, Oh, excellent.  Do you happen to know when to expect them?
[04:53] <stdin> ttrocal: I think we're just waiting on kdebase-workspace, then just wait for your local mirror to update. hopefully won't be long
[04:54] <thomas> awilcox: hehe nope
[04:54] <ordinor> dotz: mv those files to another dir
[04:55] <ttrocal> stdin, I don't meant to be pushy, but does that mean within an hour, in a few hours, or can't you say?
[04:55] <thomas> awilcox: as you can see I"m new to linux, I appreciate your such generous help
[04:55] <awilcox> it's not a problem :)
[04:55] <rgrolemund> stdin u mentioned restoring my previous video settings, whatcha think of this
[04:55] <rgrolemund> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=258186
[04:55] <stdin> ttrocal: can't give an exact time frame, depends on the buildd system
[04:55] <KevinOman> stdin, I change the networksettings to static, do I have to add broadcast and network?
[04:56] <stdin> KevinOman: I think you need broadcast, but not network
[04:56] <thomas> how do I modify what admin and other groups can do?
[04:56] <KevinOman> ok
[04:56] <AirstrikeIvanov> Hi everyone. How do I run scripts as a different user in /etc/rc.local but still have it start on startup?
[04:56] <thomas> i can't fin dit
[04:57] <stdin> rgrolemund: if you want to do it the hard way, sure
[04:57] <rgrolemund> lol
[04:57] <rgrolemund> umm not really
[04:58] <rgrolemund> i just have to rename the file right?
[04:58] <rgrolemund> from the backup to the real
[04:58] <ttrocal> stdin, Hmm, is there any doubt they will be there by tomorrow afternoon?
[04:58] <stdin> rgrolemund: press alt-f2, type in  kdesu kate /mnt/etc/X11/xorg.conf to edit it
[04:59] <mr> i'm looking for someone to perhaps help me with a sound problem?
[04:59] <stdin> rgrolemund: find the line "Driver  "nvidia" " and change to "Driver "nv" (for nvidia)
[04:59] <rgrolemund> k
[05:00] <AirstrikeIvanov> Anyone know how to run stuff in rc.local as a non-root user, while still having rc.local run on startup?
[05:00] <stdin> ttrocal: should be, if all goes well :)
[05:00] <ttrocal> stdin, Alright, glad to hear it.  Thanks for your time.
[05:00] <stdin> AirstrikeIvanov: I suppose you could do "sudo -u username command"
[05:01] <AirstrikeIvanov> stdin: Will that work in /etc/rc.local boot scripts? I want my new IRC bot to run at startup with my HalfLife server, so that they're actually there all the time like they should be.
[05:01] <weber> lol
[05:01] <weber> who is online?
[05:01] <holycow> http://kde.org/announcements/announce_4.0-beta2/desktop-plasma-big.png
[05:01] <holycow> this is just beautiful
[05:01] <stdin> AirstrikeIvanov: should, never tried it tho
[05:02] <AirstrikeIvanov> Oh, is KDE4 finally in a beta for normal users, or is beta 2 still for development purposes?
[05:02] <AirstrikeIvanov> Cause I tried beta 1 and broke my APT. XD
[05:02] <weber> hello?
[05:02] <holycow> not sure, just liking the windowing i'm seeing there
[05:03] <weber> lol
[05:03] <weber> nice
[05:03] <weber> xD
[05:03] <awilcox> wow
[05:03] <weber> who can speak german???
[05:03] <stdin> AirstrikeIvanov: beta is still beta
[05:03] <stdin> !es | weber
[05:03] <ubotu> weber: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:03] <holycow> that white outline just totally makes that
[05:03] <weber> kik
[05:03] <weber> lol
[05:03] <stdin> !de | weber (sorry)
[05:03] <ubotu> weber (sorry): Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:04] <stdin> awilcox: so you should ;)
[05:04] <awilcox> ;)
[05:07] <NightBird> german... spanish... what's the difference... :P
[05:07] <stdin> couple words here and there
[05:07] <stdin> :)
[05:08] <weber> how can i compile programs?
[05:08] <stdin> !compile
[05:08] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:08] <stdin> weber: read that link ^
[05:09] <holycow> !packaging
[05:09] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[05:09] <sanzanric> !google
[05:09] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[05:10] <darkstar61> ! big lebowski
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about big lebowski - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <darkstar61> ouch... :)
[05:11] <thomas> omg linux is awesome I can lock my session and start a completely different one
[05:11] <thomas> but how does this not affect memory and stuff
[05:11] <AirstrikeIvanov> stdin: thanks for the help with rc.local, now i need to find out how to make the programs run in the background while not spamming my TTY consoles
[05:11] <stdin> AirstrikeIvanov: like "sudo -u user command &>/dev/null &"
[05:12] <weber> see you all in a few of day
[05:12] <weber> s
[05:12] <weber> XD
[05:12] <AirstrikeIvanov> oh, but what is /dev/null?
[05:12] <weber> cu
[05:12] <stdin> AirstrikeIvanov: makes all input "disappear"
[05:12] <AirstrikeIvanov> oh nice
[05:12] <stdin> send all complaints to /dev/null :)
[05:13] <ordinor> that is the write-only memory file
[05:14] <RobertX> I like to ask a question: what does job-hold-until-specified mean?
[05:14] <ordinor> sometimes referred to as "the bit bucket"
[05:15] <RobertX> When I print using CUPS, it says "job-hold-until-specified"
[05:15] <RobertX> This is a Ubuntu box
[05:15] <flaccidddddd> RobertX: try #cups
[05:15] <flaccidddddd> !printing
[05:15] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:15] <flaccidddddd> that might help too
[05:15] <Random832> how do i set my buddy icon in kopete
[05:15] <flaccidddddd> many reason why you could get that
[05:16] <rgrolemund> hey thanks alot, i was able to boot
[05:17] <mosno> everytime i print with cups i get circular coffee stains on my pages
[05:17] <ordinor> your cup is supposed to be in the cupholder
[05:18] <mosno> aaah thx
[05:18] <ordinor> to deploy the cupholder, right click on the icon and select "eject:
[05:18] <mosno> there's a CD in my cupholder
[05:19] <ordinor> just put it on top of the cd
[05:19] <mosno> k thx
[05:19] <AirstrikeIvanov> stdin: what was that command again with /dev/null?
[05:19] <stdin> AirstrikeIvanov: after the command put   &>/dev/null &
[05:19] <ordinor> sudo -u user command &>/dev/null &
[05:19] <AirstrikeIvanov> ah, i did that
[05:20] <AirstrikeIvanov> everything still showed up
[05:20] <stdin> the &>/dev/null makes all output go to /dev/null and the last & makes it background
[05:20] <AirstrikeIvanov> let me pastebin my rc.local
[05:20] <AirstrikeIvanov> brb,  moving to Kopete cause compiz-fusion borked my Konversation, server list window wont go away
[05:21] <thomas> awilcox: ok this is weird, i have an admin account, i made another account without admin and it asks for root password and I enter my master password and it tells me wrong pass
[05:21] <awilcox> thomas: you type your user password
[05:21] <awilcox> who ever is logged in, use their password for sudo.
[05:21] <awilcox> unless you made a real root account using all the steps in the wiki
[05:22] <thomas> no it asks for root
[05:22] <awilcox> well give it your normal pw
[05:22] <awilcox> trust me
[05:22] <thomas> lol i gave it
[05:22] <thomas> the accoutn i'm in now
[05:23] <thomas> i can type my password and it works
[05:23] <stdin> thomas: what command are you doing that asks for a password?
[05:23] <thomas> when I log into my other accoutn which doesn't have admin, it asks for root and I can't change system settings etc
[05:23] <stdin> thomas: because it doesn't have admin rights
[05:24] <veluska> someone can help me install ymessenger in kubuntu ?
[05:24] <stdin> veluska: why, kopete works with yahoo
[05:24] <thomas> even if I type the root password?!
[05:24] <stdin> thomas: there is no root password
[05:25] <thomas> well when I type it here it allows me to edit stuff
[05:25] <newsense> stdin: cant join chat rooms
[05:25] <veluska> stdin: kopete is good,but no much emoticons as ymessenger
[05:25] <rgrolemund> ascii emotes ftw
[05:25] <veluska> stdin : or can u tell me how to add more emoticons for kopete ?
[05:25] <stdin> veluska: you can install emoticon sets
[05:25] <rgrolemund> :P
[05:25] <AirstrikeIvanov> Back, finally
[05:25] <veluska> stdin : can i know the website ?
[05:26] <newsense> veluska: kde-look.org
[05:26] <veluska> newsense : i already go to kde-look..but there too much themes..
[05:26] <veluska> all i need only emoticons
[05:26] <newsense> choose emoticons on the left
[05:26] <thomas> awilcox: well when I type it here it allows me to edit stuff
[05:27] <stdin> veluska: in kopete, settings > configure, then click on Get New Themes button
[05:27] <awilcox> thomas: right
[05:27] <thomas> in the other account when I enter root it doesn't!
[05:27] <Random832> since we're talking about kopete
[05:27] <awilcox> thomas: if you make a new account with a new password and gave it admin group, then you'd use the new password with the new account
[05:27] <thomas> says wrong pass
[05:27] <Random832> how do i set my buddy icon?
[05:27] <awilcox> Random832: It says under Help->Contents.
[05:27] <awilcox> thomas: each account uses it's own password for sudo
[05:28] <awilcox> "bad password" is the generic auth failure error
[05:28] <Random832> there is no "Help->Contents" - is it in the "Kopete Handbook"?
[05:28] <thomas> yea i gave it its own account pass
[05:28] <awilcox> Random832: Yes.
[05:28] <stdin> Random832:  in kopete, settings > configure > accounts, choose the account, click edit and go to the Account Preferences tab
[05:28] <thomas> awilcox: but I didn't give it admin
[05:29] <awilcox> thomas: right.  so it tells you bad password.
[05:29] <stdin> thomas: if the user isn't in the admin group they can't use sudo or have admin rights
[05:29] <awilcox> thomas: bad password can also mean "You can't do that!"
[05:29] <rgrolemund> wow that new kde is pretty sick lookin
[05:29] <awilcox> rgrolemund: Haven't seen it yet, linky?
[05:29] <rgrolemund> lol no
[05:29] <Random832> i get "override default server information"
[05:29] <Random832> and nothing else
[05:29] <rgrolemund> had linux a week
[05:29] <Random832> [well, disabled 'default encoding'] 
[05:30] <awilcox> Random832: yes.
[05:30] <thomas> stdin: ok so if I don't put "admin" in secondary group for my secondary account, even if I type the main root password it won't work? COORECT?
[05:30] <awilcox> thomas: Correct.
[05:30] <awilcox> thomas: But you would use the user password.
[05:30] <thomas> hmm lol thats funny
[05:30] <Random832> awilcox: in the help file, i see something to set the default buddy icon for the theme, but that won't make it a buddy icon sent out to other users
[05:30] <thomas> but I dont want the user to modify that stuff!
[05:30] <stdin> thomas: that's how it's supposed to work
[05:30] <stdin> thomas: then add them to the admin group
[05:30] <awilcox> thomas: instance, user "aw" has password "123" and is in admin.  user "tw" has password "456" is in admin.  when aw sudo's, he uses "123".  when tw sudo's, she uses "456".
[05:31] <awilcox> and user "jw" has password "789".  she doesn't have admin.  no matter what she types (123, 456, or 789) it won't work.
[05:31] <thomas> Awwww I UNDERSTAND
[05:31] <rgrolemund> omg u guys know the digital music channel that comes with cable? they have pics and bios to go along with it
[05:32] <rgrolemund> well my old band was just on there
[05:32] <rgrolemund> and my name
[05:32] <Random832> stdin: ok, what do i do when i'm in account preferences?
[05:32] <thomas> Thanks awilcox and std
[05:32] <AirstrikeIvanov> stdin: rc.local: http://pastebin.com/d7af61060
[05:32] <awilcox> thomas: np :)
[05:32] <awilcox> rgrolemund: \m/
[05:32] <thomas> COOL
[05:32] <thomas> awilcox: you here often?
[05:32] <Random832> ...geez, can SOMEONE tell me how to get a buddy icon in kopete?
[05:32] <awilcox> thomas: not anymore.  I used to be a regular.  if ya need me, come to #AWOS-OffTopic
[05:32] <rgrolemund> awilcox, actually it was metal
[05:33] <awilcox> rgrolemund: neat.  what band?
[05:33] <rgrolemund> incinerate
[05:33] <rgrolemund> death metal
[05:33] <thomas> awilcox: your there on a "regular, semi-regular dailiy basis?
[05:33] <philip> hello
[05:33] <awilcox> thomas: it's my channel.  if I'm not there, either my computer's dead or I am.
[05:34] <thomas> awilcox: lol so ur there almost daily?
[05:34] <stdin> AirstrikeIvanov: what would be easier to put the commands in a script and then run the script with sudo -u airstrike
[05:34] <philip> could someone help me out with my usb hard drive?
[05:35] <Random832> geez
[05:35] <stdin> AirstrikeIvanov: like put http://pastebin.com/d6f37ddce in a file, then call that with "sudo -u airsrtike /home/airstrike/script"
[05:37] <stdin> !away > esteve
[05:37] <philip> kubuntu doesn't recognize it
[05:38] <ordinor> philip: i have the same problem, so I just mount it from the command line
[05:39] <philip> ordinor, how do I go about that?
[05:40] <ordinor> run dmesg to find out what the drive is called,  sdb, sdc, sdX .  then mount /dev/sdXX /media/sdXX
[05:40] <ordinor> X being the variable
[05:40] <morph306> aptfix
[05:41] <morph306> apt-fix
[05:41] <stdin> !aptfix > morph306
[05:41] <philip> ok one sec and I'll try that
[05:41] <morph306> cool thankx
[05:43] <veluska> to all who help me about kopete emoticons...thank you for your support... i already have the yahoo emoticons work well in my kopete..thanks
[05:43] <mcquaid> I was going to check out the beta2 packages, but I notice some like kde4multimedia, kde4-admin aren't updated to 3.93
[05:44] <stdin> mcquaid: still building, you'll have to wait
[05:44] <mcquaid> ah ok
[05:45] <veluska> one problem again....my laptop had card reader inside...but i didnt find a drive suite for it...can someone tell me which driver is the best for my laptop to be able to access the card reader..
[05:47] <veluska> hello...can somebody give me a website about how to install builtin card reader in feisty ?
[05:47] <AirstrikeIvanov> stdin: Did you get my rc.local?
[05:48] <stdin> veluska: normally it just works
[05:48] <stdin> AirstrikeIvanov: what would be easier to put the commands in a script and then run the script with sudo -u airstrike
[05:48] <stdin> AirstrikeIvanov: like put http://pastebin.com/d6f37ddce in a file, then call that with "sudo -u airsrtike /home/airstrike/script"
[05:48] <AirstrikeIvanov> ah.
[05:48] <AirstrikeIvanov> thanks!
[05:48] <veluska> stdin : but it didnt work.... in windows XP..i have to install the driver..
[05:48] <AirstrikeIvanov> now i just need to figure out how to close the server list in Konversation cause Compiz-fusion botches it
[05:51] <xp_killer> :p
[05:51] <AirstrikeIvanov> stdin: all that stuff still shows up >_<
[05:52] <stdin> AirstrikeIvanov: hmm, it shouldn't ...
[05:52] <xp_killer> AirstrikeIvanov: wha is TAB?
[05:52] <AirstrikeIvanov> it does
[05:52] <xp_killer> !tab
[05:52] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[05:53] <stdin> xp_killer: tab is a button on the keyboard, has two arrows on it
[05:53] <bbeck_> I'm trying to install KDE beta 2, I've installed kde4base-dev, but when I try to install as a full session according to the the instructions on the release page, I can't find this /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop file to copy to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop, does anyone know what I need to do to get KDE4 to be a choice in KDM?  Thanks.
[05:53] <xp_killer> ok
[05:53] <AirstrikeIvanov> xp_killer: Tab autocompletes programs, files, and parameters in the commandline, among many other features.
[05:53] <stdin> bbeck_: read the topic....
[05:54] <AirstrikeIvanov> stdin: It still shows all up on my TTY1, both my hlds and supybot output.
[05:54] <xp_killer> !shift
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shift - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <bbeck_> stdin: What topic?
[05:55] <xp_killer> stdin:  shift??? >_<
[05:55] <Flatfende1> Can anyone tell me how to change the refresh rate in KDE?
[05:55] <Flatfende1> For my monitor..
[05:55] <stdin> bbeck_: the topic of this channel, it will have been displayed when you joined, type /topic to see it again
[05:55] <bbeck_> stdin: doh, sorry, Konversation has it minimized, so I missed it.
[05:55] <stdin> xp_killer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_key
[05:56] <ordinor> Flat: kcontrol
[05:56] <bbeck_> stdin: It's weird that they haven't taken down or, altered the announcement on the Kubuntu site to reflect that though.
[05:56] <ordinor> Peripherals
[05:56] <xp_killer> stdin: ok
[05:56] <ordinor> Monitor & Display
[05:57] <stdin> bbeck_: from the announcement "Packages for 7.04 are currently being compiled and will appear in feisty-backports soon."
[05:57] <Flatfende1> Monitor and display isn't listed there.
[05:58] <bbeck_> stdin: I'm running gutsy though.
[05:58] <stdin> bbeck_: you didn't say that, and this isn't the gutsy support channel
[05:58] <stdin> bbeck_: also on the page it says to install kdebase-workspace, have you?
[05:59] <bbeck_> It's not available via aptitude.
[05:59] <Flatfende1> Anyone familiar with any other ways?
[05:59] <WaltzingAlong> Flatfende1: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:00] <WaltzingAlong> Flatfende1: but you could just connect the monitor that is not showing X, then configure the X server which may autodetect the attached monitor.
[06:00] <stdin> bbeck_: try apt-get, if not then you'll have to wait until your local mirror updates or use the official archive
[06:01] <Flatfende1> WaltzingAlong, I checked there, but I don't see anywhere where I can change the refresh rate
[06:01] <philip> ok the usb drive won't mount
[06:01] <WaltzingAlong> Flatfende1: so connect the monitor, get to a terminal (ctrl+alt+f1); then type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:01] <darkstar61> bbeck_: i just installed it 3 hours ago via  sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace
[06:01] <philip> it says it can't find it even though dmesg says it's /dev/sdb1
[06:01] <philip> when I give it the mount command
[06:01] <bbeck_> stdin: Ah thanks, I just assumed it was a mistake because the announcement said it had changed a lot since Beta 1, but it wasn't the package you were supposed to download for Beta 1
[06:02] <WaltzingAlong> philip: the pmount command?
[06:02] <philip> letme try that
[06:02] <philip> ok now it's mounted but I don't have permission
[06:03] <WaltzingAlong> philip: pmount as sudo or normal user?
[06:03] <bbeck_> darkstar61: thanks, I'm pulling it down now.
[06:03] <philip> I pmounted as sudo
[06:03] <WaltzingAlong> philip: pmount is meant to be run by a normal user
[06:03] <WaltzingAlong> philip: sudo pumount it
[06:03] <philip> ok
[06:04] <philip> thank you so much WaltzingAlong
[06:04] <WaltzingAlong> philip: working?
[06:04] <darkstar61> bbeck_: just don't expect too much from the upgrade ... there is still something else to wait...
[06:04] <philip> yep
[06:04] <darkstar61> for...
[06:04] <WaltzingAlong> philip: wonderful :D viel spass
[06:05] <bbeck_> darkstar61: really I just want to play with the updated Kate.
[06:05] <bbeck_> darkstar61: yeah, I'm that kind of dork.
[06:05] <philip> now will I have to do this every time I wish to use the drive?
[06:06] <darkstar61> bbeck_:  http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/561/kde4b2ht1.jpg ...
[06:08] <MarcC> !beryl
[06:08] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:08] <MarcC> uh, no kubuntu-effects, huh?
[06:08] <xp_killer> MarcC: ???
[06:08] <MarcC> what's the best way to get composite running in Kubuntu Feisty?
[06:08] <WaltzingAlong> philip: the system is suppose to do that for you each time you log in
[06:08] <WaltzingAlong> MarcC: start with an nvidia card
[06:09] <MarcC> check
[06:09] <xp_killer> MarcC: composite?
[06:09] <MarcC> 3D jazz
[06:09] <MarcC> WaltzingAlong: step 2?
[06:09] <xp_killer> MarcC: beryl
[06:09] <MarcC> so is compiz-fusion unstable, or...? Do I just install the beryl package?
[06:10] <xp_killer> MarcC: i install it and it's no fully stable or have all options yet but beryl will change to compiz soon
[06:11] <philip> ok, thank you again
[06:11] <xp_killer> MarcC: just install beryl and if u want compiz the 2 of them will be there in one option
[06:12] <xp_killer> MarcC: im usin beryl untill compiz is finish
[06:12] <MarcC> ok, is beryl pretty stable?
[06:12] <MarcC> I assume the systray applet still lets you switch back to KWin?
[06:16] <xp_killer> MarcC: stable?mmm i tink so yes.but it allso depends on your graph card if it can hadle certain jobs.i have an ati radeon very old i did something a little to fast that it went out of focus and crash on me lol :p
[06:16] <MarcC> how do I add a program to the runs-at-startup list in KDE?
[06:18] <WaltzingAlong> MarcC: add it to ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:19] <WaltzingAlong> MarcC: yes lets you switch back to kwin
[06:21] <Deihmos> i am trying to install nvidia driver but it says i need to stop xserver
[06:22] <elzbal> Deihmos: If you're unsure, just restart the computer.
[06:22] <Deihmos> if i press alt + f2 + backspace my screen boes black and never returns
[06:22] <elzbal> Try Control-Alt-Backspace.
[06:22] <Biovore> Deihmos: then.. don't do it.. :-P
[06:22] <stdin> use the ubuntu packages
[06:23] <Deihmos> then how do i install these drivers
[06:23] <stdin> Deihmos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:23] <Biovore> !nvidia
[06:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:24] <Deihmos> i tried that already and it was a waste of time
[06:24] <Deihmos> i have an 8800gts card
[06:24] <stdin> define: "waste of time"
[06:25] <Deihmos> xserver failed to start
[06:26] <Biovore> Deihmos: I got ya..  some of the 8800 series cards require the 100..14.11
[06:26] <Biovore> driver..
[06:27] <Biovore> could try gusty..  It has that driver in the repos..
[06:27] <Deihmos> that is what i am trying to install
[06:28] <Biovore> your running gusty?
[06:28] <Deihmos> but it says i need to exit x server
[06:28] <Biovore> or feisty?
[06:28] <Deihmos> feisty
[06:28] <Biovore> the feisty repos dosn't have 100.14.11
[06:28] <Biovore> gusty does..
[06:28] <Biovore> basicly your installing the driver from nvidia's site.
[06:29] <Deihmos> you know i am really new to this
[06:29] <Biovore> Make sure you uninstall all ubuntu stuff before you try to install nvidia's
[06:29] <Biovore> (ubuntu's nvidia stuff)
[06:29] <Deihmos> i did
[06:29] <hydrogen> !info nvidia-glx-new
[06:29] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.9755+2.6.20.5-16.29 (feisty), package size 4719 kB, installed size 14400 kB
[06:29] <hydrogen> ah
[06:29] <Biovore> he needs the newer version..
[06:29] <hydrogen> yea
[06:29] <hydrogen> wasn't sure what version "new" meant in feisty
[06:30] <Biovore> Deihmos: so to install the nvidia driver from nvidia's site you will need to kick to the command line (no graphics) to install the diriver
[06:30] <Deihmos> explain
[06:30] <Biovore> Deihmos: basicly log out of your x session..  press ctrl-alt-f2 and type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[06:30] <Biovore> Deihmos: this will kill X
[06:31] <hydrogen> once you do that you will be console only so make sure you know what you need to do first
[06:31] <stdin> see this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[06:31] <hydrogen> :)
[06:31] <ubuntu_> asd
[06:31] <ubuntu_> >D
[06:31] <elknof3> hi everyone
[06:31] <Biovore> stdin: that looks about right..
[06:31] <elknof3> who knows about ipco?
[06:31] <elknof3> p
[06:31] <elknof3> ipcop?'
[06:32] <Biovore> Deihmos: in stdin link... replace gdm with kdm.. should work..
[06:32] <ubuntu_> see you .. {}
[06:32] <Biovore> ipcop.. that a firewall thing?
[06:33] <Biovore> stop waving that magic wond :-P
[06:38] <Deihmos> that method did not work
[06:38] <Deihmos> monitor never returns when i press ctrl alt f2
[06:39] <_2> what's the formula for converting F to C  temp ?
[06:39] <Biovore> _2: google!!! :-P
[06:39] <_2> never mind i'll search for it...   don't asking anyone to google for me.   just thought someone might know off hand.
[06:40] <_2> and that answer helps in what way Biovore ?
[06:41] <Biovore> something like (DegreesF-30)*(9/16)  <-- or something like that..
[06:42] <_2> yes something like.   is that it 9/16 ?   it's -32 btw...
[06:42] <stdin> TC = (TF  32)  1.8 :)
[06:42] <Biovore> yay
[06:42] <_2> k ty
[06:43] <_2> me has a c app  wanting to code it into a shell that doesn't need "units" installed to work...
[06:43] <Biovore> (Microsoft like solution) make a ppc program you emulate with qemu on a linux running on vmware.. :-P   That should solve the problem..
[06:44] <_2> Biovore :)
[06:45] <jetsaredim> is it possible to figure out how to assign actions to the random multimedia keys on my keyboard?
[06:46] <_2> random multimedia keys ???
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[06:46] <Biovore> jetsaredim: Maybe..
[06:46] <_2> so you never know where the multimedia key will show up next ?
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[06:47] <jetsaredim> Biovore: i can't seem to figure out the keyboard shortcuts dialogs
[06:47] <gib> Is anyone in here using Dolphin?
[06:48] <bbman> is anyone on here knowledgeable about moving a drive between computers
[06:48] <bbman> I can't get my system to reprobe for the necessary drivers so I can use ethernet
[06:48] <bbman> kubuntu doesn't use kudzu so I don't know what else to use and discover isn't doing anything as far as I can tell
[06:49] <gib> What about modprobe
[06:50] <_2> i think i may never use google again !
[06:51] <jetsaredim> Biovore: i'd ideally like to tie the XF86Refresh to F5
[06:51] <jetsaredim> and things like that
[06:51] <_2> XF86 ?
[06:51] <_2> !xorg
[06:51] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:51] <Biovore> jetsaredim: I don't remember of the top of my head on how to do it..  But I know if it shows up as a key press.. you can map it to X86 events
[06:53] <_2> gib ?    what about modprobe ?
[06:53] <jetsaredim> Biovore: ok thanks
[06:53] <xp_killer> gib: if i go in kmenu multimedia for example multimedia window is behind insted of on top.how do i revert this? <<< stdin
[06:54] <_2> gib if that was in answer to someone,  i just got here.   so didn't see the Q.
 do it have a way to type your name faster instd of manuel?
[06:55] <gib> Yes, it was.  Someone was saying udev wasn't picking up thier nic driver.
[06:56] <gib> Can't imagine what weird one it must be becuase it detects just about every nic known to man without problems
[06:57] <_2> gib ah yes.  indeed  lspci or lshw for the card info and modprobe the driver,   of course...     i don't use udev  but it's no problme to insert the module
[06:57] <gib> I'm not sure how you got it like that xp-killer
[06:57] <xp_killer> gib: if i go in kmenu multimedia for example multimedia window is behind insted of on top.how do i revert this? <<< stdin <_2>
[06:57] <_2> xp_killer  sloppy focus
[06:57] <xp_killer> there are some windows tha above then some and dont want to move
[06:58] <xp_killer> sloppy focus?
[06:58] <_2> or click the left corner of the title bar and special settings
[06:59] <xp_killer> ???
[06:59] <_2> yeah sloppy focus will focus anything the mouse passes over    i think.    there is also click to focus
[06:59] <xp_killer> be more specific
[06:59] <_2> it's a desktop setting
[06:59] <xp_killer> where.?
[06:59] <_2> right click the desktop and configure
[06:59] <xp_killer> k
[07:00] <xp_killer> ....
[07:00] <_2> kde == right click everything      default == starting point of the very long road to "right"
[07:00] <xp_killer> :-/ ???...........**************
[07:01] <xp_killer> xplain as u would to a child
[07:01] <gib> When you start messing around with setting you're not sure what they're going to do, it's a good idea to not change too many things all at once so you know what to undo if you create a behavior you don't like :)
[07:01] <_2> right way == the way you personally choose to use
[07:01] <xp_killer> gd
[07:02] <_2> gib or do it in a clean user account   so you can nuke the account...
[07:02] <xp_killer> gib: true but kubuntu got so much option u just have to click on them to try them.thats how we lurn
[07:02] <_2> xp_killer prezactly
[07:03] <gib> I'm not saying not to try them all, just not too many clicks all at one time :)
[07:03] <_2> ...and oh, the satisfaction of actually finding the setting you are looking for....
[07:04] <_2> gib rightO, bloody good advice there matey
[07:04] <gib> Or you could use gnome and have all the decisions make for you :))
[07:04] <gib> made
[07:04] <MarcC> what do I do if Firefox is completely black when I'm running beryl?
[07:04] <xp_killer> MarcC: lol
[07:04] <_2> skin it ?
[07:05] <xp_killer> MarcC: put your scren in color
[07:05] <Daisuke-Ido> don't run beryl.
[07:05] <xp_killer> no paint it
[07:05] <MarcC> oh, apparently it doesn't like Firefox to touch screen borders. *that* makes sense.
[07:05] <xp_killer> stdin: wat is c2f?
[07:05] <scheater6> lol - geeze, it's old school irc in here tonight.
[07:06] <_2> stdin will it read a symlink f2c and go the other way ?
[07:06] <stdin> _2: no, as I don't know now to :P, it just asks what to do with a menu
[07:06] <stdin> xp_killer: converts temperature values
[07:06] <xp_killer> stdin: wa is c2f?wat does it do?is it safe to play with?
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> celcius to fahrenheit
[07:07] <stdin> indeed ^
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: written in?
[07:07] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: C++
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> nice
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> had to do one in java for class
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> booooooring
[07:07] <xp_killer> stdin:wat good is that to me?
[07:07] <xp_killer> stdin: ca maide a rien
[07:08] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: it's not bas as I'm only 1/3 way through my 1st book :)
[07:08] <victor_> Hello, when I boot up Kde 4 beta 2, im missing alot of graphics, are there any special packages for that I need?
[07:08] <_2> stdin http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39417
[07:09] <xp_killer> !offtopic | stdin and Daisuke_Ido
[07:09] <ubotu> stdin and Daisuke_Ido: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:09] <chemicalvamp> sudo grub-install --root-directory= /dev/hda5 Answers back: Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device... Any ideas?
[07:09] <_2> script    uses symlinks   does f2c  c2f fts2mph and so on...
[07:09] <chemicalvamp> maybe an arguement that informs grub of the filesystem?
[07:09] <stdin> _2: http://stdin.pastebin.us/39418 and http://stdin.pastebin.us/39419 is mine, 2nd one is c2f.h
[07:09] <Daisuke_Ido> !pot_kettle_black | xp_killer
[07:09] <Kommando> Hi
[07:10] <Kommando> i need some help
[07:10] <xp_killer> Daisuke_Ido: ???
[07:10] <scheater6> kommando: just fire away.  If anyone knows how to help you, they'll respond
[07:11] <Kommando> ok haha thanks
[07:11] <bbman> how do you use modprobe to get the module to get the modules for my nvidia gig card or marvell gig card to load
[07:11] <Kommando> I'm trying to use my local hard disks but it says "unable to mount" or something like that
[07:11] <_2> stdin the case loop shows all the builtin functions     or the names of the links to call them
[07:11] <bbman> I was the one who asked that question
[07:11] <xp_killer> stbin:vlc reads my videos with a very bad sound like the my speeker aint good no more
[07:11] <bbman> _2 or gib?
[07:11] <Kommando> i'm running the live version and so far i like it but i don't want to lost any of my information
[07:12] <Daisuke_Ido> then by all means, back up what you want to keep before installing.
[07:12] <_2> bbman you do   sudo modprobe <modulename>
[07:12] <Kommando> no id on't want to install yet i just want to try the whole thing out
[07:12] <Kommando> and if i like it will install it
[07:12] <_2> bbman to find the module name   you use   lshw | less      or  lspci     and google for the card info
[07:12] <scheater6> If you're running the live cd, you are "Trying the whole thing out"
[07:12] <Kommando> i know
[07:13] <Kommando> but i'm trying to use my local hard disks but i can't use them
[07:13] <stdin> Kommando: what filesystem are you trying to mount ?
[07:13] <Daisuke_Ido> Kommando: a couple things to be aware of, the live cd is going to be a little slower than a full install by its very nature
[07:13] <Kommando> something about mounting them
[07:13] <Daisuke_Ido> but you should get a feel for it
[07:13] <Kommando> i'm already aware of that daisuke_ido
[07:13] <scheater6> kommando: I see.  If all is recognized well, a simple "sudo mount -a" should do it - can anyone confirm?
[07:13] <_2> bbman also of note      . /etc/bash_completion     then you can use the tab key when typing in the module name and it will complete and/or list possabilities
[07:14] <stdin> scheater6: not on the live cd
[07:14] <scheater6> darn - that would eliminate having to find the device names.
[07:14] <stdin> Kommando: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[07:14] <Kommando> i used ubuntu to see how it was and i liked and didn't have that problem but now i'm using kubuntu because a friend told me that was even better and now i'm getting this problem
[07:14] <Flatfender> I'm having a problem getting my refresh on my monitor correct. Its set at 70hz and I need it to be 60, is there a way to just go in and change it?
[07:14] <_2> scheater6    cat /proc/partitions     should help with finding the device name
[07:15] <chemicalvamp> I was experiemting and i installed from a live cd onto a usb key, by doing so i overwrote windows MBR with grub, ide like to keep Grub BUT my computer will only boot with the usb key in it.. so can somebody please help me install grub onto a fat32 partition on my 2nd hdd?
[07:15] <bbman> _2 I did a modprobe and it has a marvellphy but how do I get it to activate?
[07:15] <_2> errr assuming hd has partitions      and assuming hd   i got behind
[07:15] <Flatfender> It doesn't give me the option for my monitor under my settings.
[07:15] <_2> bbman ifup eth0
[07:16] <scheater6> kommando: in that case your basic course of action is going to be to find what ubuntu is calling the hard drive - I call up qtparted for that, above me _2 recommends a terminal command to do basically the same thing.  And then mount it - probably with the command "sudo mount [device name] "
[07:16] <_2> sudo that
[07:16] <Kommando> ok
[07:16] <chemicalvamp> i got sudo grub-install --root-directory= /dev/hda5 but it says it is not found or not a block device
[07:16] <Kommando> well here under devices says : "/dev/hda1"
[07:16] <Kommando> i guess that's one of the partititons right?
[07:17] <scheater6> correct
[07:17] <Kommando> then i have the other partititons
[07:17] <Kommando> i have a total of 4 partititons and i see them all
[07:17] <gib> You mean grub only works if the USB device is plugged in?
[07:17] <_2> Kommando that's the first partition on the master drive on the primary ide bus
[07:17] <chemicalvamp> gin yes apperantly there is something of grub not in the MBR it needs
[07:17] <Kommando> ok
[07:17] <scheater6> try it out.  Make a directory to mount it - "sudo mkdir /mnt/harddrive" - or you can replace "harddrive" with a name of your choosing
[07:18] <gib> Did you look at /boot/grub/menu.list?
[07:18] <scheater6> kommando: and then "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/harddrive"
[07:18] <chemicalvamp> i need that to install on a drive thats always on
[07:18] <Kommando> ok let me try
[07:18] <gib> Maybe there is a ref to the usb device you can just edit out.
[07:19] <_2> !grub | Kommando did you have a look here
[07:19] <ubotu> Kommando did you have a look here: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:19] <gib> Oh, you actually istalled grub to the usb storage device?
[07:19] <chemicalvamp> but how will the MBR load the list if its on something thats not attached? or for that matter know to load what you changed in the menu.lst if the menue.lst is nowhere to be found
[07:19] <scheater6> kommando: you'll end up with that harddrive mounted in the folder /mnt/harddrive, which you can access via command line "cd /mnt/harddrive && ls" or through konqueror
[07:19] <chemicalvamp> Grub was instaled to hd0,0
[07:19] <gib> I think you still want to install to the MBR, but the MBR of your HD
[07:20] <chemicalvamp> but its configuration files within linux are on my usb
[07:20] <Kommando> ok but if i mount the hard drive i won't screw up the info that i have in my master windows boot right?
[07:20] <Kommando> i just want to be sure of that
[07:20] <Kommando> sorry if i'm kinda slow
[07:20] <scheater6> kommando: nothing to worry about there
[07:20] <bbman> _2 well it was actually eth1 that I was able to get working, I guess nvidia gig nics are not supported as I can't get that one to come up.  It is working now though thanks
[07:21] <Kommando> ok cool
[07:21] <_2> chemicalvamp if hd0,0 is ide disk then you should be fine.      check boot/grub/devices.map   for more on the addressing
[07:21] <gib> If grub is installed to hd0,0 that's the right place.
[07:21] <_2> bbman glad you got connected.   welcome
[07:21] <chemicalvamp> here is my question.. "sudo grub-install --root-directory= /dev/hda5" (this comand would install grubs files to my fat32 partition)  returns Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[07:21] <chemicalvamp> why is it not reading it correctly
[07:21] <chemicalvamp> thats all i wanna knpw
[07:21] <xp_killer> if u have grub install allready u can autoreinstall it with a few comande from the cd live
[07:22] <chemicalvamp> my laptop boots windows.. and the /ROOT or /BOOT/GRUB is on the USB KEY
[07:22] <xp_killer> u dont real have to mount your hdd's to put back a grub
[07:22] <_2> xp_killer literally going blind ?
[07:23] <gib> Why do you want to change from the MBR to root?  You just need to reinstall to MBR again, but have it ref /boot/grub off of your hd instead of the usb device
[07:23] <chemicalvamp> when it says "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device." is it expecting it to be ext3? and if it is how do i tell it that its fat32
[07:23] <xp_killer> O_O
[07:23] <_2> xp_killer correct one can run the grub shell and install from there    but grub does mount for that to work.
[07:23] <chemicalvamp> i have it mounted
[07:24] <chemicalvamp> "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device." anybody??
[07:25] <chemicalvamp> why would you think its partionless?
[07:25] <_2> cause i formated it
[07:25] <Flatfender> Even when I change it in xorg.conf it doesn't change the rate?
[07:25] <chemicalvamp> wait are there 2 grub conversations goin on here or what? im so confused
[07:26] <_2> chemicalvamp three
[07:26] <chemicalvamp> nice
[07:26] <xp_killer> LOL
[07:26] <chemicalvamp> so how many did i mess up? lol
[07:26] <_2> hopefully none.
[07:27] <chemicalvamp> is there an arguement for grun to tell the filesystem? like "-t ext3" for mounting
[07:27] <gib> There is a distro just for working with grub called supergrub, I think
[07:27] <xp_killer> chemicalvamp: u said your grub is install on your key?
[07:27] <gib> Just for fixing grub problems
[07:27] <scheater6> well, I certainly hope Kommando got all taken care of, 'cus it's about that time for me.
[07:27] <chemicalvamp> xp_killer well 1/2of it is
[07:27] <scheater6> gib: supergrubdisk
[07:27] <Kommando> thanks a lot
[07:27] <xp_killer> SUPER
[07:27] <Kommando> sorry for disapearing
[07:28] <_2> anyone still confused on a grub issue ?
[07:28] <_2> if not i'll try harder  :)))
[07:28] <chemicalvamp> xp_killer well ok it is installed on the MBR but the /boot/grub/ is installed on the key
[07:28] <scheater6> kommando: no worries man, just making sure all was well.
[07:28] <scheater6> Neway, I'm off.  PEACE
[07:28] <Kommando> thanks again
[07:28] <Kommando> bye
[07:28] <_2> shalom scheater6
[07:28] <Kommando> have a good night
[07:28] <gib> Is grub 2.0 ever going to come out?  Hasn't it been in the works for like the last half decade?
[07:29] <_2> !info grub gutsy
[07:29] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-29ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 366 kB, installed size 808 kB
[07:29] <_2> that's not even version   one
[07:30] <Flatfender> Anyone have an Idea how to change the refresh rate on my monitor, I can't seem to find a setting in KDE, and when I change it in xorg.conf it doesn't seem to help my problem. Its at a refresh of 70, I need it to be 60
[07:30] <gib> I know, but there never will be.  It was abandoned long ago.  It's been at .97 for ages.
[07:31] <xp_killer> chemicalvamp: so u want to reinstall the grub thats on the key?
[07:31] <gib> just change the vertical refresh in xorg.conf to just 60
[07:31] <chemicalvamp> Flatfender you need to modify your xorg.conf where your resolutions are.. I.E. 1024x768@70  the 70 being your refresh rate
[07:31] <gib> and not a range
[07:32] <gib> and it will force it to use only 60
[07:32] <chemicalvamp> xp_killer what i want is to be able to boot my laptop without HAVING to have my usb key in it
[07:33] <Flatfender> Ok, it shows like 6 different monitors, what one do I need to change to have that
[07:33] <chemicalvamp> xp_killer instead of repairing windows MBR with the windows cd, i want to keep grub so i can set it to boot from my USB key
[07:34] <gib> Just reinstall grub without the usb storage attached
[07:34] <chemicalvamp> how
[07:34] <tazgodx> anyone know of a good linux spades game?
[07:35] <chemicalvamp> imon the live cd now
[07:35] <xp_killer> chemicalvamp: ok .put in your usb key and type sudo apt-get install grub
[07:35] <Flatfender> So, my default depth is 24, that means I pick the  display with a depth of 24. Then under modes I would put 1280x1024@60", is that correct chemicalvamp?
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> oi
[07:36] <chemicalvamp> Flatfender 60 being your desired refresh rate then yes, i think you will also have to go into your display setting to select this mode that you've created in your xorg.conf
[07:37] <Flatfender> I don't have a display setting in my KDE anywhere. I can do it fine in Gnome, but I can't seem to get it to display correctly in KDE
[07:37] <chemicalvamp> xp_killer it says grub is already the newest version
[07:38] <gib> There may be 6 monitors listed, but the one will be listed in the "screen" section is the one being used.
[07:38] <xp_killer> chemicalvamp: sudo grub to get a prompt
[07:39] <gib> If 60 is the only choice in xorg, 60 will be the only choice in display settings.
[07:39] <chemicalvamp> ok
[07:39] <xp_killer> chemicalvamp: type : find /boot/grub/stage1
[07:40] <xp_killer> chemicalvamp: if any erros tell me
[07:40] <xp_killer> errors
[07:40] <chemicalvamp> xp_killer im not sure if this matters.. but iam not currently running on my usb key
[07:41] <chemicalvamp> xp_killer it came back with (hd1,0)
[07:42] <Flatfender> I've set it in my xorg.conf rebooted, I'm at a loss.. My big question is why its not under my peripherals tab.
[07:43] <xp_killer> chemicalvamp: see if this web site can help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 u i have to go.i'll ba back in a moment
[07:45] <gib> What isn't in the perifs tab, your monitor?
[07:46] <Flatfender> Yes, the option to change my monitor refresh rate gib.
[07:46] <gib> What is the horiz rate set to in xorg.conf?
[07:47] <chemicalvamp> whats the (hd?,?) and (hd?) equivalent of hda5??
[07:47] <gib> And what does it show the refresh rate to to in KDE?
[07:47] <Flatfender> I've set it to a bunch of things, even directly 60, but it doesn't seem to change the refresh rate. It will change in Gnome, but not KDE
[07:47] <gib> What does KDE show it as?
[07:48] <Flatfender> Nothing, I can't find the display properties in it
[07:48] <chemicalvamp> please i would guess but i dont want to break anything >.<
[07:48] <Daisuke_Ido> then you aren't looking
[07:48] <Daisuke_Ido> System Settings > Monitor & Display
[07:49] <Flatfender> Its not there :)
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> what isn't there.
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not in system settings at all?
[07:49] <gib> or type kcontrol if you want to see it the way you're used to seeing it under the perifs tab
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> alt+f2, kcontrol
[07:49] <Flatfender> No. its not there at all
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> then something more serious is broken
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> what release are you using again?
[07:50] <Flatfender> The most recent.
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> the most recent as in 5 months old or the most recent as in going into beta right now...
[07:50] <Flatfender> I was looking in kcontrol also. Thats what confuses me.
[07:51] <Flatfender> As in the 7.04 that they have on their main download page.
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> alrighty then...
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, something's borked
[07:51] <gib> Kubuntu has both system setting and kcontrol.  Just different view of the same stuff.
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> maybe install kubuntu-desktop (again, if you've done it once) to fix broken dependencies?
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> gib: untrue, kcontrol has a lot more.
[07:52] <gib> yeah, system settings is a subset of kcontrol arranged differently
[07:52] <Daisuke_Ido> right
[07:54] <Flatfender> I'm currently re-emerging it.. hopefully this works
[07:54] <chemicalvamp> FAT32 filesystem is called VFAT under linux correct?
[07:54] <gib> emerging?  You using Gentoo?
[07:55] <Daisuke_Ido> uh...buh?
[07:55] <Daisuke_Ido> chemicalvamp: corrent
[07:55] <Daisuke_Ido> correct, too!
[07:55] <bhaskark> hi all, can anybiody suggest me a god kernel compilation tutorial?
[07:55] <tazgodx> anyone know of a good linux spades game?
[07:56] <Daisuke_Ido> bhaskark: kernel.org
[07:56] <Daisuke_Ido> if you need to compile a custom kernel, it's not supported, and this probably isn't the distro that best suits your needs...  just sayin'
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> !find spades
[07:57] <Flatfender> I did for a little while, but the computer is used by more than myself, and every time anyone else got on the PC they somehow managed to screw it up. I got tired of fixing it.. Especially considering I'm not super knowledgeable about Linux
[07:57] <ubotu> File spades found in ggz-game-servers, ggz-gtk-games
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> tazgodx: could check that out ^^
[07:58] <bhaskark> Daisuke_Ido: I just want to have fun with the kernel compilation
[07:58] <chemicalvamp> !paste
[07:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> well then
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i still recommend kernel.org
[07:58] <bhaskark> Daisuke_Ido: OK
[07:59] <Daisuke_Ido> but there's bound to be howtos on ubuntuforums.org
[07:59] <tazgodx> thanks Daisuke_Ido
[07:59] <Daisuke_Ido> those may help as well
[07:59] <bhaskark> ok
[08:00] <gib> Speaking of Kernels, are there any places for a version of ubuntu kernel with backported cfs?
[08:00] <gib> plans
[08:00] <gib> for gutsy
[08:02] <manas> Hi
[08:02] <Flatfender> After I reinstall KDE do I need to log out then back in?
[08:02] <Ascenzion> yepp
[08:02] <Ascenzion> double check the little options box that kde is the selected session
[08:03] <gib> You might want to choose the restart X for the options on the login screen too.
[08:04] <leafw> anybody tried gutsy on a T60p
[08:04] <Daisuke_Ido> leafw: #ubuntu+1 for gutsy questions.
[08:04] <Flatfender> That got it guys, thanks for the help
[08:07] <leafw> Daisuke_Ido : vale
[08:08] <gib> There is no kubuntu+1 though, but if the problems are KDE related I guess it doesn't matter.
[08:09] <leafw> that channel is basically dead
[08:09] <leafw> unfortunately
[08:10] <gib> It's amazing how you can have hundreds off people logged on with only a few actually watching or even at their computers.  Lots of people just stay logged in all day.
[08:10] <leafw> right.
[08:11] <gib> Are you having problems, or just wondering if you should try the install?
[08:13] <gib> I'd better get to bed.  Goodnight.
[08:13] <chemicalvamp> OK heres my problem fully explained (i hope) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36654/
[08:15] <_2> gib :"<gib> It's amazing how you can have hundreds off people logged on with only a few actually watching or even at their computers."   true.    and i some times fall into that catagory too.    although i don't like it.     but when at the "J O B"  i have to attend other things   like it or not.
[08:15] <_2> bah  to late.
[08:15] <_2> chemicalvamp looking
[08:16] <Daisuke_Ido> meh...  see, this machine is on 24/7
[08:16] <Daisuke_Ido> so i'm always here, even if i'm not *here*
[08:17] <leafw> gib: I'd like to have proper overhead projector support, which I heard in gutsy has received lots of attention
[08:18] <leafw> I have several conferences later this month, and it would be great to *finally* not having to kill Xorg just to get dual head up.
[08:19] <_2> chemicalvamp ok.  you need to copy sda1 's  /boot dir and all it's content to   hda5   and point grub at that.
[08:20] <_2> chemicalvamp i have done this to get grub to bood an hd with no partitions form one that had a M$ partition/fs   it's pretty streight forward; except that updating the kernel becomes a manual process      shouldn't be hard.
[08:21] <chemicalvamp> _2 ok im listening
[08:22] <_2> i don't remember all the details off the top of my head but i do remember that you asign the boot and root addresses differently    i.e.  boot (hd0,4)     kernel line root (hd1,0)
[08:23] <_2> chemicalvamp if you give me a sec i'll fire up that box and look up some details
[08:23] <chemicalvamp> _2 ok
[08:25] <chemicalvamp> how would a person mount the MBR?
[08:25] <stdin> you can't mount the MBR
[08:25] <chemicalvamp> and what filesystem would it have? o.0
[08:25] <chemicalvamp> ahh i c
[08:25] <_2> ooops autokilld me self
[08:25] <chemicalvamp> then how do i change where grub looks for its files? stdin
[08:27] <tazgodx> how can i tell what version of a program i have installed?
[08:27] <stdin> chemicalvamp: you'd have to use grub-install and install on to another partition I think
[08:27] <AirstrikeIvanov> Uh, did my hostname appear when I joined this room, or did my cloak?
[08:28] <stdin> tazgodx: normally "command --version" or for GUIs, Help > About (Application)
[08:28] <chemicalvamp> stdin ive been asking that question alll night! please have a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36654/
[08:28] <Agent_bob> chemicalvamp ok you enter a grub prompt   'after you have copied the files over'     and issue root (hd0,4)  maybe (hd0,2)  not sure with extended partitions
[08:30] <chemicalvamp> Agent_bob so you think that will fix it?
[08:30] <chemicalvamp> im gonna cross my fingers and try it out
[08:31] <Agent_bob> then issue wait i'm still on it
[08:31] <chemicalvamp> huh?
[08:31] <Agent_bob> what was the output of the command ?
[08:31] <chemicalvamp> no errors if thatw aht u mean
[08:32] <Agent_bob> k now issue ....    give me a sec
[08:32] <stdin> precipizio1, precipizio2: any reason for joining multiple times?
[08:32] <Agent_bob> install d (hd0)
[08:33] <chemicalvamp> Error 1: Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist
[08:33] <Agent_bob> ok drop the d
[08:33] <chemicalvamp> same
[08:34] <Agent_bob> add same ,#) as the root command
[08:34] <Agent_bob> 4 maybe
[08:34] <chemicalvamp> like hd0,4?
[08:34] <chemicalvamp> or hd4
[08:34] <Agent_bob> yeah
[08:34] <chemicalvamp> k
[08:34] <Agent_bob> first
[08:34] <Agent_bob> the first one
[08:35] <chemicalvamp> didnt work
[08:35] <Agent_bob> install (hd0,4)
[08:35] <Agent_bob> that  ^ ?
[08:35] <chemicalvamp> i tried install /dev/hda5 and it said Error 15: File not found
[08:35] <Agent_bob> yeah it wont.
[08:36] <Agent_bob> have to use the "stupid" grub nominclature
[08:36] <Agent_bob> did that work  ?
[08:38] <chemicalvamp> no it didnt
[08:38] <chemicalvamp> thought i said that already :)
[08:38] <chemicalvamp> it keeps coming back Error 1: Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist
[08:39] <Agent_bob> ok then (hd0,4)  is wrong   try   (hd0,1)
[08:39] <stdin> chemicalvamp: try removing the brackets '(' and ')'
[08:40] <chemicalvamp> hd0,1 would be ntfs
[08:40] <Agent_bob> i don't think so  you said you only have  hda1 hda2/5  correct ?
[08:40] <chemicalvamp> yup
[08:41] <Agent_bob> then the hda5  is probably  (hd0,1)
[08:41] <Agent_bob> grub is wierd
[08:41] <Agent_bob> and if that works set     root (hd0,1)      also
[08:41] <chemicalvamp> npoe
[08:41] <Agent_bob> root (hd0,1)
[08:41] <Agent_bob> install (hd0,1)
[08:42] <chemicalvamp> did that
[08:42] <Agent_bob> no go ?
[08:42] <chemicalvamp> error 1
[08:43] <Agent_bob> from another konsole pastebin your  devices.map   and menu.lst
[08:43] <Agent_bob> let me see if i can't figure out why it's acting wierd.    i'm sure it's simply addressing issues.
[08:44] <chemicalvamp> are you sure install shouldnt be setup?
[08:45] <Agent_bob> chemicalvamp yes     and setup can be used but you will have to get the addressing right first.
[08:46] <Agent_bob> else it will setup but incorrectly   and you'll be back where you were.
[08:46] <riri> Hi
[08:46] <chemicalvamp> maybe i should just install kubuntu on the hardrive i want grub to be installed on and just delete everything but /boot
[08:47] <riri> the nex kde4 beta 2 is not better ?
[08:47] <chemicalvamp> sounds like it would make my head hurt less\
[08:47] <riri> will it improve ?
[08:47] <chemicalvamp> what do you think Agent_bob
[08:47] <stdin> riri: it's better than the 1st beta, but it's not in feisty (yet)
[08:47] <riri> i am using gutsy
[08:47] <Agent_bob> chemicalvamp heh will you'll still have to manually edit the menu.lst after that     but that will work.
[08:48] <riri> and i haven't a nice dektop like in one
[08:48] <stdin> riri: have you read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php ?
[08:48] <riri> no thanks
[08:48] <riri> i will read it
[08:48] <chemicalvamp> but then i still have the question... after i have it set up... and i want to install a differnt distro on my key.. can i make it now install grub?
[08:49] <stdin> riri: you need to install an extra package to get it to work in beta 2
[08:49] <Agent_bob> chemicalvamp now  ?   not ?
[08:49] <riri> yes
[08:49] <riri> i use workspace
[08:49] <riri> but still
[08:49] <riri> it runs
[08:50] <riri> but no icons no kicker
[08:50] <stdin> !enter
[08:50] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[08:50] <chemicalvamp> i like that one
[08:50] <stdin> riri: yeah, I think that's a bug
[08:50] <Agent_bob> chemicalvamp sounds like a plan   if you want to go that route.    heck   i'd just use lilo.
[08:50] <riri> lol
[08:50] <riri> i guess
[08:50] <chemicalvamp> Agent_bob u prefer lilo?
[08:50] <riri> but i hope it's not freeze ?
[08:51] <Agent_bob> i do
[08:51] <chemicalvamp> i will give that a shot then
[08:51] <stdin> riri: depends if it's an upstream bug or not
[08:51] <chemicalvamp> ok im goin back to my need for speed while it installs.. thanks for the help i really appreciat it
[08:51] <riri> sorry what does mean upstream ?
[08:52] <faires> I allowed kenel update from adept, and now my grub is no longer recognizing the path of my kernel files
[08:52] <faires> Someone can help me with that?
[08:52] <riri> thanks anyway i can still compile and use it in a shell
[08:52] <stdin> riri: if it's a bug in the KDE source then it's upstream (from KDE), if not then it's kubuntu that made the booboo :p
[08:53] <riri> i fear it's kubuntu
[08:53] <Agent_bob> chemicalvamp they each have there strengths and weeknesses.    grub can be changed without writing to the mbr  lilo can't   but after installed lilo can boot anything that was in the lilo.conf   even if some drives are missing.    as long as the device it's trying to read is there   it will boot it.     i use lilo because it can boot "partitionless" hd's   grub can't
[08:53] <riri> because i saw nice screen from beta 2
[08:53] <faires> My root is (hd0,4)
[08:53] <faires> And my kernel is referred to a strange link
[08:53] <riri> i have to go thanks stdin
[08:53] <riri> bye
[08:53] <faires> kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-386 root=UUID=9b5a32bc-1945-4222-8320-92030aa39a55 ro quiet splash
[08:53] <stdin> riri: later :)
[08:54] <Agent_bob> faires nothing strange about that.  that's not a link that's the real kernel inode
[08:54] <Agent_bob> or are you talking about the block id for the fs  "uuid"  ?
[08:55] <faires> Agent_bob: yes, I was talking about that
[08:55] <faires> The point is that grub didn't find the files anymore
[08:55] <faires> Although they were there before
[08:55] <Agent_bob> faires that's the fs id   and the id may have changed.   issue    blkid    to check
[08:55] <faires> Agent_bob: sorry?
[08:56] <Agent_bob>  blkid
[08:56] <chemicalvamp> Agent_bob found something in the fiesty installer.. BOOT LOADER: help for GRUB device selection goes here... has (hd0) in it now
[08:56] <Agent_bob> see if it matches   UUID=9b5a32bc-1945-4222-8320-92030aa39a55 <<for the root device>>
[08:56] <faires> Yes, it matches
[08:56] <faires> It matches hda5
[08:57] <Agent_bob> faires and the files are on hda5 ?
[08:57] <faires> But the kernel files are inside a /boot directory there (my mistake when installing, I just realized it now...
[08:57] <Agent_bob>  /vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-386  in particular ?
[08:57] <faires> Yes, they are
[08:57] <Agent_bob> well add that in the menu.lst file
[08:57] <Agent_bob>  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-386 *
[08:57] <faires> Agent_bob: add what?
[08:57] <faires> Ah..
[08:58] <Agent_bob> faires hda5 is not mounted on /boot is it ????
[08:58] <Agent_bob> that would explain     /vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-386
[08:58] <faires> Agent_bob: No, it's not
[08:58] <Agent_bob> k
[08:59] <faires> hda5 is my / partition
[08:59] <Agent_bob> yeah add   /boot
[08:59] <Agent_bob> this is a grubby day...
[08:59] <faires> In fact /boot should be a link to my hda1, but I forgot doing that during install, and just realized
[08:59] <faires> I'll try with your new help, thanks a lot
[08:59] <backpro> i download java .bin how to install this file ??
[09:00] <Agent_bob> bash java-*.bin
[09:00] <stdin> backpro: don't, install the packages from ubuntu
[09:00] <Agent_bob> sudo that maybe
[09:00] <stdin> !java | backpro
[09:00] <ubotu> backpro: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[09:01] <Agent_bob> backpro and stdin has a good point.  but it's your system if you want to mess it up  the command is   sudo bash java*.bin
[09:02] <darth> ubotu: Adept will ruin the java install?
[09:03] <_2> !bot | darth
[09:03] <ubotu> darth: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:03] <_2> !botsnack
[09:03] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[09:03] <stdin> darth: it won't work in edgy or earlier, you'd use apt-get then
[09:03] <_2> !opsnack | stdin
[09:03] <ubotu> stdin: Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[09:04] <stdin> I like chocolate, and peanuts :)
[09:04] <_2> grub> root (hd0,1)
[09:04] <_2> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[09:04] <_2> grub> root (hd0,0)
[09:04] <_2> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[09:04] <backpro> thanks for help
[09:05] <_2> interesting   seems i have no disks
[09:05] <_2> i thought sure i had at least one hd in this box...
[09:05] <_2> errr partition
[09:05] <stdin> doesn't grub look in the device.map file to convert (hdX,X) to /dev/XXXX ?
[09:06] <_2> yep but i'm not when you run   grub   from a system
[09:06] <_2> it "detects" devices
[09:07] <_2> and i do have two partitions on one hd in this box....
[09:07] <_2> none on any of the other hd's
[09:07] <_2>   22     1    2096608 ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 34 3 41 10 0 0 0 0 0 10
[09:07] <_2> 10
[09:07] <_2>   22     2    2028096 ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 20 3 154 240 6 0 48 10 0 250 250
[09:08] <_2> i tried the whole array of addresses   hd[0-9] ,0    no disks
[09:09] <_2> that may be what chemicalvamp was experancing
[09:09] <_2> i wonder if that's a grub bug
[09:10] <_2> i also wonders if i'm talking to my self again...
[09:11] <_2> really odd thing is that grub actually booted this box just a few minutes ago...  heh
[09:14] <se7en^Of^9> i love linux upgrade one box and ssh the *deb to 3 other boxes :)
[09:15] <ubuntu> good morning.. i have a very persistent problem with my kubuntu installation(s). since 16:00 (17 hours of nonstop trying ago).... it keeps giving "GRUB error 21"  at startup, no matter what partition configuration I use. I've reinstalled nearly 15 times, of which the last ones were on the old winxp partition (hd0,0). I've edited menu.lst in the /boot/grub/ directory numerous times as well, but to no avail. Any help is greatly appreciated,
[09:15] <ubuntu> as I need to use the system with several of its applications today
[09:17] <Agent_bob> i though i knew something about grub.   but alas, as always, it was only a dream.
[09:18] <Agent_bob> ubuntu error 21 is partition not found   isn't it ?
[09:18] <ubuntu> more precise, it can't find the config on the specified partition (i think)
[09:19] <Agent_bob> ubuntu   your system is not using the wrong device node is it ?    /boot/grub/devices.map    have something like /dev/sda (hd0)     but it's actually an ide drive ?
[09:20] <Revelstone> yes, it is an ide drive
[09:20] <Agent_bob> check the devices.map file
[09:20] <Revelstone> and those aren't specified by writing /dev/sda#?
[09:20] <Agent_bob> or pastebin it
[09:21] <Revelstone> let me mount the disk again on this live cd, so i can check the file
[09:22] <Agent_bob> pastebin the file
[09:22] <Agent_bob> !paste | Revelstone
[09:22] <ubotu> Revelstone: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:22] <Agent_bob> assuming it's more than one or two lines...  which it may not be
[09:23] <Agent_bob> in which case most would like to see somthing besides my nick in here anyway
[09:24] <Revelstone> it is but one line (devices.map)
[09:24] <Revelstone> (hd0)	/dev/sda
[09:24] <Agent_bob> show me
[09:24] <Agent_bob> k
[09:24] <Agent_bob> change it to (hd0)      /dev/hda
[09:25] <Revelstone> no permission to write, hang on
[09:25] <Agent_bob> sudo
[09:25] <Revelstone> doesn't work on kate (cannot connect to x server)
[09:25] <Revelstone> kdesu works however
[09:25] <Revelstone> with a list of errors, but the program loads
[09:26] <Revelstone> alright, it's changed
[09:26] <Revelstone> should i try to reboot now?
[09:26] <rrichie> hi all
[09:26] <Revelstone> hey richie
[09:26] <Agent_bob> sudo chroot <mount/point> grub-install (hd0)         # where <mount/point> is where you mounted that system fs
[09:26] <rrichie> why i'm doing a apt-get upgrade, it fails on a package saying : No Such File or directory. Can anyone help me ?
[09:27] <Agent_bob> rrichie lets see the exact error message
[09:27] <Revelstone> can that be /media/sda7, even if i changed that other line to hda?
[09:28] <Agent_bob> Revelstone yes the two are not related
[09:28] <Revelstone> alright
[09:28] <rrichie> Agent_bob : tentative de remplacement de /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/cmake/modules/FindSamba.cmake, qui appartient aussi au paquet kde4base-data
[09:28] <rrichie> dpkg: erreur de traitement de -f (--install):
[09:28] <rrichie>  ne peut pas accder  l'archive: No such file or directory
[09:28] <Agent_bob> Revelstone ahh  may need to make the device node    i dont' remember ...
[09:29] <Revelstone> sudo chroot /media/sda7 grub-install (hd0)
[09:29] <Revelstone> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[09:29] <Agent_bob> rrichie looks like an error in the   /etc/apt/sources.list   if i'm not mistaken
[09:29] <rrichie> Agent_bob : does it help you ?
[09:29] <rrichie> i take a sources.list from ubuntu website
[09:29] <Revelstone> how would i make the device node? :-)
[09:29] <enotee> what is the syntax to install a .deb file using dpkg?
[09:30] <rrichie> enotee:  dpkg -i file.deb
[09:30] <Agent_bob> Revelstone wait.   try without the ()  just hd0
[09:30] <Agent_bob> i think that will fail... but try it.
[09:31] <Revelstone> it didn't fail completely:
[09:31] <Revelstone> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media/sda7 grub-install hd0
[09:31] <Revelstone> /dev/sda7: Not found or not a block device.
[09:31] <Revelstone> i can access it in the file system though
[09:32] <julius__> where is the default program manager for file exensions?
[09:32] <Agent_bob> Revelstone but that's on the other system  in the mountpoint         issue   ls -l /media/sd*/dev/sda?
[09:33] <Revelstone> ls: /media/sd*/dev/sda: No such file or directory
[09:33] <Revelstone> or should i replace sd* with eg. sda7?
[09:34] <Agent_bob> Revelstone yes
[09:34] <Agent_bob> should work either way
[09:34] <Revelstone> same result
[09:34] <Agent_bob> Revelstone right.  no device node.
[09:34] <Agent_bob> ok     cd /media/sda7
[09:35] <Agent_bob> sudo chroot .
[09:35] <Agent_bob> wait.
[09:35] <Revelstone> i'm in root now
[09:35] <Agent_bob> let me revisit that error message    just a sec.
[09:36] <Revelstone> take your time, you're being more help already than all the google queries tonight
[09:36] <Agent_bob> "<Revelstone> /dev/sda7: Not found or not a block device."  <<<< it should NOT be looking for sda anything.
[09:37] <Agent_bob> Revelstone cat /boot/grub/dev*
[09:37] <Agent_bob> what's it say ?
[09:37] <Revelstone> (hd0)   /dev/hda
[09:37] <Revelstone> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[09:37] <Agent_bob> nano /boot/grub/dev*
[09:38] <Agent_bob> remove the second line     the one with sda
[09:38] <Revelstone> only the first line there in nano
[09:38] <Agent_bob> wait.   exit nano
[09:38] <Agent_bob> ls /boot/grub/dev*
[09:38] <Agent_bob> you saved under the wrong file name   :)
[09:39] <Revelstone> output: /boot/grub/device.map  /boot/grub/device.map~
[09:39] <Neutrinux> hi someone using kmail+imap+anti-spam in here?
[09:39] <Agent_bob> oh it's a backup
[09:39] <Revelstone> rm /boot/grub/device.map ?
[09:39] <Agent_bob> ok Revelstone while you were in nano was it hda  or sda   should still be on screen
[09:39] <Revelstone> err ~ that is
[09:40] <Agent_bob> yeah    rm   /boot/grub/device.map~
[09:41] <Agent_bob>  Revelstone and redo;    cat /boot/grub/dev*
[09:41] <Agent_bob> should now say "(hd0)   /dev/hda"   correct ?
[09:43] <Agent_bob> finished that cigarett and threw the wrong but out the window didn't ya
[09:43] <Agent_bob> well climb back up and lets keep going...
[09:47] <ubuntu> back.. forgot to tell you that the live CD hangs sometimes
[09:47] <Agent_bob> finished that cigarett and threw the wrong but out the window didn't ya
[09:47] <ubuntu> exactly
[09:47] <ubuntu> :-)
[09:47] <Agent_bob> :)
[09:47] <Revelstone> took a while to time out I see
[09:47] <Agent_bob> ok 10 minutes i think
[09:48] <Revelstone> last i saw was shortly after i wrote my last line
 yeah    rm   /boot/grub/device.map~
  Revelstone and redo;    cat /boot/grub/dev*
[09:48] <Agent_bob> then noticed you went "AWOL"
[09:48] <Revelstone> how did i enter root again? other than /root
[09:49] <Agent_bob> Revelstone have the fs mounted at /media/sda?
[09:49] <Agent_bob> ya   na   ?
[09:50] <Agent_bob> awol again ?
[09:50] <Agent_bob> bah   i can't help someone that's never there....
[09:51] <Agent_bob> that may be an actual hd error.   io errors causeing the hang up and also causing the grub error 21 ....
[09:52] <Agent_bob> that may be an actual hd error.   io errors causeing the hang up and also causing the grub error 21 ....
[09:52] <ubuntu> it doesn't seem to like "rm" and "devices.map~" on the same line
[09:53] <Revelstone> i disconnected after the root question
[09:53] <Revelstone> this is slightly annoying :)
[09:53] <Agent_bob> yeah that's what im saying   it may be an hd error
[09:53] <Revelstone> but isn't this run from the live cd?
[09:53] <Revelstone> (or memory)
[09:54] <Revelstone> i didn't give any commands yet at that time
[09:54] <waylandbill> Revelstone: you could be experiencing some sort of hardware trouble. You could run memcheck.
[09:54] <Agent_bob> doesn't matter where or what the system is   if it tries to access malfunctioning hardware it will  i/o error and that can hang any system
[09:54] <julius__> where is the default program manager for file exensions?
[09:55] <Revelstone> how do I run memcheck from kubuntu?
[09:55] <Agent_bob> julius__ mime types ?     look in /etc/      or check the online help for mime
[09:55] <Revelstone> and it could be of course.. even if the system was functioning without error in the past year
[09:55] <waylandbill> Revelstone: it's a boot option on the cd.
[09:55] <Revelstone> ah that one, alright
[09:56] <Agent_bob> Revelstone it's a boot option.  you don't run it from a running system
[09:56] <Revelstone> i will run it next time it hangs
[09:56] <stdin> julius__: in konqueror's settings
[09:56] <julius__> stdin: cheers
[09:56] <Agent_bob> Revelstone also badblacks  in read only mode
[09:57] <Revelstone> should we try to change the device.map file this time?
[09:57] <Revelstone> i forgot the command to get into root, shamefully
[09:57] <waylandbill> julius__: it's file types, not necessarily file extensions. The program 'file' is often used to determine the type regardless of the extention if there is one at all.
[09:57] <waylandbill> !root
[09:57] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[09:57] <julius__> cheers
[09:57] <Agent_bob> Revelstone try it   if it hangs at that point again   then you know where the problem is.   it's on the hd
[09:57] <enotee> what is the syntax to install a .deb file using dpkg?
[09:57] <Revelstone> isn't "new root shell"  the same?
[09:58] <Revelstone> in konsole
[09:58] <Agent_bob> same as what ?
[09:58] <Agent_bob>  as running  sudo -i   yes
[09:58] <Revelstone> the same as a logged in su in the normal shell
[09:58] <stdin> enotee: dudo dpkg -i file.deb
[09:58] <waylandbill> Revelstone: the same as sudo -i. Sudo normally does one single command.
[09:58] <Revelstone> I see
[09:59] <enotee> i tried that and get error no such file or directory
[09:59] <Revelstone> i'm in root now.. what was the next step again?
[09:59] <Agent_bob> Revelstone if you used   su -   and a password.
[09:59] <julius__> new question, why does Konqurer allways downsize my text
[09:59] <Agent_bob> Revelstone mount the hd
[09:59] <pyro12345> hi
[09:59] <Revelstone> can't find in fstab/mtab etc
[09:59] <julius__> i wanna type in OMGFILES but it auto downsizes it
[09:59] <Revelstone> should mkdir first i guess
[10:00] <Revelstone> mounted
[10:00] <Agent_bob> Revelstone then    rm /mnt/sda?/boot/grub/device.map~    and well see you when you get back
[10:00] <Agent_bob> Revelstone  ???
[10:01] <Agent_bob> Revelstone you there ?
[10:01] <Revelstone> rm: cannot remove `/mnt/sda?/boot/grub/device.map~': No such file or directory
[10:01] <Revelstone> that would be yes :-)
[10:01] <Agent_bob> is that the correct mountpoint
[10:01] <Revelstone> ah lol
[10:02] <Agent_bob> ah ha.
[10:02] <stdin> !msg | enotee
[10:02] <ubotu> enotee: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit AND help you. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[10:02] <stdin> enotee: you have to put the path to the deb if it's not in the directory you're in
[10:02] <Revelstone> removed the file device.map~
[10:02] <Agent_bob> Revelstone ok    cat the file    device.map  now
[10:03] <enotee> sorry about that didn't know
[10:03] <Revelstone> (hd0)   /dev/hda
[10:03] <Agent_bob> Revelstone ok what is the mountpoint ?
[10:03] <Revelstone> i mounted it to: /media/sda7
[10:03] <Agent_bob> Revelstone chroot /media/sda7
[10:04] <jan__> hez
[10:04] <Revelstone> that's quick ;)
[10:04] <enotee> the file is on my desktop and i am in that directory
[10:04] <Revelstone> done
[10:04] <Agent_bob> grub-install (hd0)
[10:04] <Agent_bob> i'll expect errors
[10:04] <Revelstone> syntax error, without () gives..
[10:05] <Revelstone> /dev/sda7: Not found or not a block device.
[10:05] <Agent_bob> why in the world is it looking for   /dev/sda7 ???
[10:05] <cE_6aLau> nbcnnnnhjf
[10:06] <Revelstone> i mounted /dev/sda7 to /media/sda7
[10:06] <Agent_bob> grep /dev/sda7 /boot/grub/*
[10:06] <Revelstone> after mkdir /media/sda7
[10:06] <Agent_bob> Revelstone not relevent
[10:06] <Revelstone> alright
[10:06] <Revelstone> done, same ls
[10:07] <Agent_bob> no output ?
[10:07] <Revelstone> no
[10:07] <Agent_bob> ok    grep /dev/sda7 /etc/fstab
[10:07] <Revelstone> # /dev/sda7
[10:07] <Agent_bob> that should hit one at least
[10:07] <Agent_bob> is that all ?
[10:07] <Revelstone> yes
[10:08] <Agent_bob> ok.
[10:08] <Agent_bob> i see no reason at all for grub-install to even look for device node  /dev/sda7
[10:09] <Revelstone> if it's something you want to change in grub's menu.lst, i can do it manually perhaps?
[10:09] <Agent_bob> what does grub-install /dev/hda     say ?
[10:09] <Agent_bob> i bet it errors out
[10:09] <Revelstone> yes; /dev/hda: Not found or not a block device.
[10:09] <Agent_bob> Revelstone ok  ls -l /dev/hda
[10:10] <Revelstone> same error
[10:10] <Agent_bob> modprobe ide-disk
[10:10] <Agent_bob> probably not the right kernel
[10:11] <Revelstone> no output
[10:11] <Agent_bob> now   -ls -l /dev/hda
[10:11] <Agent_bob> ls -l /dev/hda
[10:11] <Revelstone> same error
[10:11] <Agent_bob> not a block device.???
[10:12] <Revelstone> no, remind me to keep my eyes open
[10:12] <Revelstone> ls: /dev/hda: No such file or directory
[10:12] <Agent_bob> ok
[10:12] <Agent_bob> cd /dev
[10:12] <Agent_bob> MAKEDEV hd
[10:12] <Revelstone> cd /dev
[10:12] <Revelstone> + works
[10:13] <Agent_bob> grub-install /dev/hda
[10:13] <Revelstone> /sbin/MAKEDEV: warning: can't read /proc/devices
[10:13] <Agent_bob> arrr
[10:13] <Agent_bob> from which command ?
[10:13] <Revelstone> makedev hd
[10:13] <Revelstone> capital MAKEDEV
[10:13] <Agent_bob> ls hda
[10:14] <Agent_bob> maybe it worked anyway ???
[10:14] <Revelstone> hda is listed in yellow @ ls hda
[10:14] <Agent_bob> ok
[10:14] <Agent_bob> grub-install hd0
[10:14] <Revelstone> /dev/sda7: Not found or not a block device.
[10:15] <Agent_bob> grub-install /dev/hda
[10:15] <Revelstone> root@ubuntu:/dev# grub-install /dev/hda
[10:15] <Revelstone> /dev/sda7: Not found or not a block device.
[10:15] <Agent_bob> why in blue blazes is it looking for sd
[10:15] <Revelstone> indeed
[10:15] <Agent_bob> stdin
[10:16] <Revelstone> command not found
[10:16] <Agent_bob> cat /boot/grub/device.map
[10:16] <stdin> umm, I haven't been paying much attention, what's going on? :p
[10:16] <Revelstone> (hd0)   /dev/hda
[10:16] <Revelstone> ah he's a nickname
[10:16] <Revelstone> :-)
[10:16] <Agent_bob> hehhe   yeah  i was hallering at a kubuntu user here
[10:17] <Agent_bob> stdin grub-install /dev/hda   keeps failing with <Revelstone> /dev/sda7: Not found or not a block device.   and no mention of /dev/sd  anywhere in /boot or fstab
[10:18] <Agent_bob> why in bloody hell is it looking for sda7  ?
[10:18] <Revelstone> root@ubuntu:/# grep /dev/sda7 /etc/fstab
[10:18] <Revelstone> # /dev/sda7
[10:18] <stdin> hmm, not sure... try with --recheck
[10:18] <Revelstone> doesn't that mean it's still in fstab?
[10:18] <Agent_bob> that's commented out
[10:18] <Revelstone> alright
[10:18] <Agent_bob> that's what the   #   is.
[10:19] <Agent_bob> Revelstone      yeah  i was hallering at a kubuntu user here
[10:19] <Agent_bob> ooops
[10:19] <Revelstone> how to try with --recheck (what command in front of it)?
[10:19] <Agent_bob> grub-install /dev/hda --recheck
[10:19] <backpro> i have edgy ubuntu can i update it to new version of ubuntu ??
[10:20] <stdin> I think it needs be grub-install --recheck /dev/hda
[10:20] <Revelstone> root@ubuntu:/dev# grub-install /dev/hda --recheck
[10:20] <Revelstone> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[10:20] <Revelstone> /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[10:20] <stdin> !upgrade | backpro
[10:20] <ubotu> backpro: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[10:20] <Agent_bob> stdin   ^
[10:20] <backpro> thank you thats what i need
[10:21] <stdin> Revelstone: what kernel version ? .20 ?
[10:21] <Revelstone> how to check?
[10:21] <stdin> uname -r
[10:21] <Revelstone> 2.6.20-15-generic
[10:22] <stdin> it's probably looking for sda then, libata and all that
[10:22] <Agent_bob> Revelstone ok nano /boot/grub/device.map     and change  hda to sda    so the bleeding thing will install
[10:22] <dotz> i can mount on a nfs drive, but i cannot copy any files in saying permission denied
[10:22] <Agent_bob> stdin but with it as sda   at boot time he's getting   error 21
[10:22] <dotz> but i have checked my groups permission to +w
[10:22] <backpro> what the change between ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server (did ubuntu server have more packages like apache) ??????
[10:22] <dotz> why is that so
[10:22] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | dotz
[10:22] <ubotu> dotz: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[10:22] <Revelstone> (fd0)   /dev/fd0
[10:22] <Revelstone> that's now listed in device.map?
[10:23] <Agent_bob> that's floppy disk
[10:23] <Revelstone> i don't have such a thing :p
[10:23] <Agent_bob> you can remove it
[10:23] <Revelstone> but it's the only line in there
[10:23] <Revelstone> so should i add sda again?
[10:23] <Agent_bob> it's emulated by the bootable cd   "elterito"
[10:23] <Agent_bob> Revelstone </blinks>
[10:23] <Agent_bob> only line
[10:24] <Revelstone> yes
[10:24] <Agent_bob> bah change it to      (hd0)   /dev/sda
[10:24] <Revelstone> from root@ubuntu: /dev, types nano /boot/grub/device.map, 1 line there
[10:24] <Revelstone> *typed
[10:24] <Agent_bob> yeah
[10:25] <Revelstone> wrote 1 line
[10:25] <Agent_bob> grub-install
[10:25] <Agent_bob> hd0  of course
[10:25] <Revelstone> /dev/sda7: Not found or not a block device.
[10:26] <Agent_bob> just out of curosity    ls /dev/sda
[10:26] <Revelstone> no such file or dir
[10:26] <Agent_bob> ls /dev/hda7
[10:26] <Revelstone> all hda's in that dir
[10:26] <Revelstone> root@ubuntu:/dev# ls /dev/hda7
[10:26] <Revelstone> /dev/hda7
[10:27] <Agent_bob> Revelstone ok     ln -s /dev/hda7 /dev/sda7  ;grub-install hd0
[10:27] <stdin> what does "ls -l /dev/hda?" show ?
[10:27] <Revelstone> that's a good thing isn't it?
[10:27] <dotz> no its linux ext3 nfs system
[10:27] <stdin> or no -l
[10:27] <dotz> i'm the client
[10:27] <dotz> linux too.. mounting it on /mnt
[10:27] <Revelstone> what was the code paste url again?
[10:27] <Revelstone> cause it's too much to paste here
[10:27] <Agent_bob> !paste
[10:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:28] <stdin> dotz: try looking on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[10:28] <dotz> 192.168.2.201:/share /mnt/ nfs rw,noatime,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0
[10:28] <Revelstone> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36660/
[10:28] <dotz> i mounted it successfully but cannot copy files in
[10:29] <Revelstone> haven't written your command yet bob
[10:29] <Agent_bob> k
[10:29] <dotz> drwxr-sr-x  2   1119 video <-- when i ls -l
[10:29] <Agent_bob> try it
[10:29] <stdin> you have 9 partitions? :p
[10:29] <dotz> i think it has wrong uid
[10:29] <Revelstone> root@ubuntu:/dev# ln -s /dev/hda7 /dev/sda7 :grub-install hd0
[10:29] <Revelstone> ln: target `hd0' is not a directory
[10:30] <stdin> dotz: I think the UIDs have to be the same on both systems
[10:30] <Agent_bob> grub-install /dev/hda         crap a monkey...
[10:30] <Revelstone> well actually it's a lot of 'free space', but i put linux at the end of it
[10:30] <Revelstone> 7 ext3 and 8 swap
[10:30] <Revelstone> what 9 is i dare not say
[10:31] <Revelstone> root@ubuntu:/dev# grub-install /dev/hda
[10:31] <Revelstone> /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[10:31] <dotz> stdin: oic..
[10:31] <dotz> stdin: i have a problem then...
[10:31] <Revelstone> hda7 i guess?
[10:31] <Agent_bob> Revelstone you have just about throughly confused the agent ...              try it...
[10:31] <Revelstone> same error
[10:31] <dotz> stdin: on my computer my uid is 1000 .. so is my other computers
[10:32] <Revelstone> i'm sorry for that
[10:32] <dotz> but on the host computer
[10:32] <dotz> dotz is 1001 , xxx is 1002
[10:32] <Revelstone> kubuntu has kept me from sleep for the past... it feels like 48 hours
[10:32] <Agent_bob> that system is highly non-standard.  and i'm still thinking   hardware failure
[10:32] <dotz> on client dotz is 1000, xxx is 1000 also
[10:32] <Revelstone> it has never given any errors before though
[10:32] <dotz> but then gid seems to be ok
[10:32] <Revelstone> two partitions are still ntfs, but that shouldn't matter right?
[10:33] <Revelstone> btw why did it say "root disk 3" in the "hda?" list?
[10:33] <Revelstone> shouldn't that be disk 0 when it only has 1 HD
[10:34] <_2> Revelstone go sleep a while.    maybe one of us will think of something new to try.
[10:34] <_2> the problem wont go away.  it will wait on you.
[10:35] <_2> i had a modem reset.
[10:35] <Revelstone> the problem is.. i need it today, for a paper
[10:35] <Revelstone> in LaTeX
[10:35] <Revelstone> hence the lack of sleep
[10:35] <_2> use the live cd and do the paper
[10:35] <Revelstone> it hangs itself too often
[10:35] <_2> yeah true
[10:35] <Revelstone> at least it usually does.. sometimes it works for a while
[10:35] <dotz> cp: cannot create regular file `./reception.pl': Read-only file system
[10:36] <Revelstone> i'm willing to try and reinstall once more
[10:36] <Revelstone> but after like 10-15 times, i doubt it will help
[10:36] <_2> Revelstone try entering a grub shell and running  setup (hd0)
[10:36] <Revelstone> have done that too, but can try again
[10:37] <Revelstone> Error 12: Invalid device requested
[10:37] <Revelstone> that worked a couple of hours ago..
[10:37] <Revelstone> perhaps root (hd0,#) first?
[10:37] <_2> yeah
[10:38] <Revelstone> why doesn't find /boot/grub/menu.lst work?
[10:38] <Revelstone> to find out about what partition it uses this time
[10:39] <Revelstone> that one worked before
[10:39] <Revelstone> as did find /boot/grub/stage1
[10:39] <_2> wrong (hd0,#) ?
[10:40] <Revelstone> didn't do that yet
[10:40] <Revelstone> i'm trying to find out about the #
[10:40] <_2> ah
[10:41] <Revelstone> in root@ubuntu it just echoes it
[10:41] <Revelstone> in grub it gives an error
[10:41] <Revelstone> (file not found)
[10:41] <_2> the find command in the linux os is not the same as the find command in the grub os
[10:42] <Revelstone> how would i find out about the partition number if grub gives an error?
[10:42] <Revelstone> fdisk -l works, but it lists only the partitioned space
[10:42] <_2> Revelstone you can't   grub is not seeing any partition
[10:42] <Revelstone> as in not all ptts
[10:42] <_2> that's the reason you have been getting the error 21 at boot  it can't find/mount the partition
[10:42] <flaccid> wtf
[10:42] <Revelstone> but i had the error before too
[10:43] <Revelstone> and then i could list and use grub commands all the time
[10:43] <flaccid> open it in qtparted look at the order and 1 is 0
[10:43] <_2> yeah i know.  i'm just saying   that's why it not finding it.  it can't find the partitin
[10:43] <_2> partition
[10:43] <Revelstone> very strange..
[10:43] <Revelstone> The program 'qtparted' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[10:43] <Revelstone> apt-get install qtparted
[10:43] <Revelstone> bash: qtparted: command not found
[10:43] <Revelstone> guess i can do that
[10:44] <flaccid> !pastebin > Revelstone
[10:44] <_2> he knows where it is flaccid
[10:44] <Revelstone> root@ubuntu:/dev# qtparted
[10:44] <Revelstone> qtparted: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[10:44] <Revelstone> i get that same error for kate and other applications
[10:45] <_2> Revelstone is that in the chroot ?
[10:45] <flaccid> then stop flooding the chanenl Revelstone
[10:45] <flaccid> !baddevice > Revelstone
[10:45] <Revelstone> i heard that pasting 1-2 lines is still fine
[10:45] <_2> two line paste is not a flood flaccid
[10:45] <flaccid> Revelstone: you are pasting more than 2 lines
[10:45] <_2> no  count them
[10:45] <flaccid> yes i can count
 root@ubuntu:/dev# qtparted
 qtparted: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[10:45] <dotz> iRead-only file system
[10:45] <Revelstone> i might have pasted 3 once yes, sorry about that
[10:45] <_2> the next was typed
[10:46] <dotz> I need getting Read-only file system for all computers that try to mount nfs drive..even if i set RW
[10:46] <SlimeyPete> no biggy.
[10:46] <Revelstone> no matter, can use paste-bin.. i just want to fix this annoying error now
[10:46] <dotz> in the nfs server /etc/exports i've set the permission zz
[10:47] <_2> Revelstone did you run that command in the chroot'd env ?
[10:47] <Revelstone> yes
[10:47] <_2> x is not running in there.
[10:47] <Revelstone> but i started qtparted through the program menu
[10:47] <_2> yes it should start there
[10:47] <Revelstone> well i wrote it from root@ubuntu if that's what you mean
[10:47] <Revelstone> /dev/sda is listed as only disk
[10:48] <_2> and the partition number
[10:48] <Revelstone> "getting info" dialog when clicked
[10:48] <Revelstone> then crash
[10:48] <_2> that still sounds like hardware.
[10:48] <_2> and i expect you to vanish about now.
[10:48] <Revelstone> no partition numbers listed before it crashes
[10:49] <Revelstone> doesn't give any error; it just vanishes
[10:49] <flaccid> you could try all partition numbers until you get the right one
[10:49] <_2> Revelstone ok  if you are still with me.    sudo apt-get install testdisk      in the live cd
[10:50] <Revelstone> installing, still here
[10:50] <Revelstone> thanks flac, will do that if all else doesn't lead anywhere..
[10:51] <_2> i think the patrition table is hosed.   run    sudo testdisk       and read the onscreen info as it walks you through checking the disk
[10:51] <Revelstone> brb then
[10:52] <Revelstone> well that was quick:
[10:52] <Revelstone> No harddisk found
[10:52] <_2> that would account for the grub error 21 at boot   the grub error not being able to find the /boot/grub files   the grub error not being able to install  and  the qtparted crash.        but not the missing disk !
[10:53] <Revelstone> i can still browse the files..
[10:54] <Revelstone> this really beats me, feels like i tried almost everything to solve this problem now
[10:54] <_2> only thing that i can think of that would account for that,  is hardware.    i'd be checking the ide cable.    feeling of the drive to see if it was hot  and other phisical inspections
[10:54] <Revelstone> i've done that already, all seems fine as it always has been
[10:55] <_2> i have never seen linux act the way your system is acting.   and i've been playing with linux for about 7 or 8 years
[10:56] <Revelstone> not have i, but i've been using windows for the past 8 years... i could always tell a faulty HD from a healthy one though
[10:56] <Revelstone> and this one never had any trouble until i installed kubuntu last afternoon
[10:56] <flaccid> have you done smart scans
[10:57] <Revelstone> "not have i"  - that's sleep
[10:57] <_2> Revelstone i do offically defer to anyone else in the channel.    i can not fix that box from here.    sorry.
[10:57] <Revelstone> you still deserve a medal bob :)
[10:57] <_2> thanks.    but keep it for the guy that fixes it.
[10:58] <Revelstone> from linux flac? no
[10:58] <_2> flaccid  he's all yours now.
[10:58] <flaccid> what is the problem again
[10:58] <flaccid> booting a partition from grub?
[10:58] <_2> i'm out for a bit.
[10:59] <_2> yeah grub error 21
[10:59] <_2> and can't reinstall grub
[10:59] <Revelstone> hd 2-9 disappeared from ls now
[10:59] <_2> and cant' testdisk
[10:59] <Revelstone> 1 and 10-20 are listed
[10:59] <_2> and cant qtparted
[10:59] <flaccid> so mbr could be stuffed
[11:00] <Revelstone> now they're all listed, hda, hda1-24
[11:00] <Revelstone> could be yeah
[11:00] <Revelstone> is there any way to fix that from here?
[11:00] <dotz> why do i keep getting Read-only file system when mounting a NFS drive with RW option?
[11:00] <Revelstone> i tried fixmbr half a day ago when windows was still installed
[11:00] <Revelstone> perhaps that screwed it up
[11:00] <Revelstone> but the error was there hours before
[11:00] <flaccid> reinstall mbr from livecd to reinstall grub. error 21 means the given part is not valid or not found. so wrong location given - but if you tried all possible numbers then the part is stuffed or mbr
[11:00] <_2> dotz root_noclober    or something like that ?
[11:01] <_2> dotz are you trying to access it as root ?
[11:01] <Revelstone> i could try to reinstall kubuntu <again> perhaps?
[11:01] <Revelstone> so it has all the default files
[11:01] <Revelstone> but i guess that doesn't solve the mbr?
[11:01] <flaccid> Revelstone: did you try to reinstall grub from livecd
[11:01] <Revelstone> no
[11:01] <flaccid> thats what i'd do first
[11:01] <flaccid> !grubfix
[11:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grubfix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <flaccid> um
[11:02] <Revelstone> at least i don't think i did; i did reinstall from the shell
[11:02] <flaccid> !grub
[11:02] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:02] <flaccid> go to first link, restore grub via livecd and see if that works
[11:02] <dotz> _2: no i i access it using my current id
[11:02] <dotz> _2: tried using root too, same
[11:02] <dotz> cp: cannot create regular file `autoupdate2': Read-only file system
[11:02] <flaccid> if not, i would try all possible suggestions linked from http://www.mepis.org/node/7330
[11:02] <dotz> keep getting Read-only file system when i try to write
[11:03] <_2> dotz nfs defaults to   'root-noclober'  or what ever it's called   keeps root from writing to it.   you can set that on the server end   in it's  /etc/exports       i had to do that before i had any write access
[11:03] <dotz> drwxrwxrwx 5 root   root <-- that's the permission for the directory
[11:03] <Revelstone> i've tried that already flaccid
[11:03] <_2> i'll check the exact string for ya   give me a sec
[11:03] <Revelstone> by that url too, forgot because it was a while ago
[11:03] <Revelstone> it did work before (the error persisted), but right now it fails:
[11:03] <flaccid> Revelstone: i'd be resorting to smart scans or buying a new hard disk
[11:04] <Revelstone> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[11:04] <Revelstone> Error 15: File not found
[11:04] <dotz> .... /share *.sinet(rw,async) <-- that's my /etc/exports
[11:04] <_2> heh dotz   no_root_squash   add that and see if it helps
[11:04] <dotz> _2: all my computers are assigned to .sinet
[11:04] <Revelstone> the hd isn't old.. it worked like a chime throughout the past 8 months
[11:04] <dotz> trying
[11:04] <flaccid> Revelstone: are you saying its not possible?
[11:04] <Revelstone> no, i'm saying it's not likely
[11:05] <Revelstone> and the back of my mind is saying "you don't have a red penny for it"
[11:05] <Revelstone> :-)
[11:05] <dotz> _2: put that on (rw,async,no_root_squash) ?
[11:05] <flaccid> well error 15 is different. you might want to try fixing that first..
[11:05] <_2> dotz yes
[11:05] <_2> dotz and remount it
[11:06] <Revelstone> it can't reinstall grub via live cd
[11:06] <flaccid> why
[11:06] <_2> hmmm you use  async  i use  sync    (rw,sync,no_root_squash)  dotz
[11:06] <chemicalvamp> how do you modify partitions in kubuntu?
[11:07] <flaccid> if you have error 15, you definately need to reinstall grub..
[11:07] <_2> that's streight from my /etc/exports file
[11:07] <Revelstone> it doesn't find the partitions anymore
[11:07] <Revelstone> let me reboot
[11:07] <flaccid> Revelstone: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[11:07] <chemicalvamp> i swear everybody is having a problem with grub
[11:07] <chemicalvamp> i wish kubuntu came preinstalled with lilo
[11:07] <flaccid> lilo won't help
[11:07] <_2> chemicalvamp maybe it's a virus ?
[11:07] <chemicalvamp> it would me
[11:08] <Revelstone> from a new shell, it found hd(0,6)
[11:08] <flaccid> most grub stuff occurs from people changing partitions/installing windows or dif os on same disk etc
[11:08] <Revelstone> grub> setup hd0
[11:08] <Revelstone> Error 11: Unrecognized device string
[11:08] <Revelstone> it gives that upon setup
[11:08] <Revelstone> i guess that's the reason indeed
[11:08] <chemicalvamp> i dont know, i let my cd auto partition my hd0,1 and of coarse it messed it all up
[11:08] <_2> Revelstone in grub it's   (hd0)
[11:08] <_2> have to have the  ()
[11:08] <Revelstone> ah yeah..
[11:09] <flaccid> isn't it setup (hd0)
[11:09] <Revelstone> it was, sorry
[11:09] <Revelstone> should i reboot now?
[11:09] <Revelstone> this all seems too familiar though.. but we've made some changes to devices.map, so it might work after all
[11:10] <flaccid> Revelstone: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351&page=11 <---  do revised method(s)
[11:10] <flaccid> one can only try
[11:10] <dotz> _2: doesn't seem to work too..added and restart nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server
[11:10] <_2> umount /mountpoint ; mount /mountpoint    should have been all that was needed
[11:11] <Revelstone> device.map is empty now for some reason
[11:11] <Revelstone> is that logical after a grub reinstallation?
[11:11] <dotz> _2: yup i did that too.. its really weird
[11:11] <dotz> _2: before upgrading to feisty we are all using edgy.. haven't got any problems
[11:11] <combinio> how can i uninstall program, that i installed with 'sudo sh *.run' ??
[11:12] <_2> dotz hmmmm    idk.    "works for me"
[11:12] <dotz> _2: could it be something that we forgot to install on feisty?
[11:12] <Revelstone> i'll try the revised version
[11:12] <_2> dotz but i'm on dapper
[11:12] <flaccid> combinio: read the doco the program came with.
[11:12] <_2> dotz i don't see how.  looks more like a bug in the nfs package
[11:12] <combinio> there is no doc, only name_of_the_program.run file
[11:13] <flaccid> combinio: what is the program
[11:13] <combinio> and i changed chmod (a+x) and then install
[11:13] <chemicalvamp> _2 i need to delete all the partitions the kubuntu set up made, and make a new one with the name hda3 how would i do that?
[11:13] <combinio> it is a game warcraft2.run
[11:13] <dotz> wait
[11:13] <_2> chemicalvamp ???   cfdisk ?
[11:13] <combinio> i know where it is installed
[11:13] <dotz> i think i forgot to install nfs-common package
[11:13] <combinio> ( which folders )
[11:13] <_2> chemicalvamp qtparted ?
[11:13] <flaccid> combinio: warcraft2 comes with doco.
[11:13] <_2> chemicalvamp gparted ?
[11:14] <flaccid> combinio: you can simply remove the files it installs, but you won't know all of the files or if other stuff was installed with doco if available ie. its not a package, rather a stand alone installer that has no uninstaller
[11:14] <_2> chemicalvamp parted ?   fdisk ?      there must be a way
[11:14] <chemicalvamp> _2 does cfdisk only show mounted?
[11:14] <_2> chemicalvamp why does it need to be hda3 ?
[11:15] <chemicalvamp> cuz thats where grub is looking for /bot
[11:15] <_2> chemicalvamp no it only shows the device you specify
[11:15] <combinio> flaccid: yeah - i know where are the all folders... just remove them with 'sudo rm -r name_of_the_folder' ?
[11:15] <_2> i.e.   sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb
[11:15] <flaccid> combinio: yeah that will do. just be careful on the rm -R :)
[11:16] <combinio> and what exactly is this parametr ' -r ' ?
[11:16] <_2> recursive
[11:16] <flaccid> combinio: recursive. goes into all child folders
[11:16] <combinio> ok done! warcraft2: command not found :D thanks flaccid :))
[11:16] <flaccid> np combinio
[11:16] <combinio> flaccid: ok then, good to know :)
[11:17] <flaccid> combinio: eg. this is the most even command. rm -Rf /      <-- bad
[11:17] <Revelstone> thanks a lot _2 and flaccid.. i will return here if i find out what the problem is or whatever solved it
[11:17] <flaccid> even=evil
[11:17] <flaccid> Revelstone: if you get 15, grub is fuxed and yeah a reinstall of ubuntu will fix it.
[11:17] <_2> flaccid actually cat /dev/random > /dev/nvram  is probably much worse
[11:18] <Revelstone> will make it turn back to error 21 you mean? :)
[11:18] <flaccid> _2: that won't delete important personal data
[11:18] <Revelstone> hehe i hope for the best though
[11:18] <Revelstone> good luck here
[11:18] <dotz> _2: hah still fails
[11:18] <_2> that will kill bios
[11:18] <flaccid> Revelstone: if it turns back to 21 then you just need to load the right part
[11:18] <_2> dotz    sorry then    that's the extent of my nfs knowledge
[11:18] <dotz> ok thx anyway
[11:19] <_2> dotz i set it up one time   it works.   haven't needed to trubble shoot it.
[11:19] <flaccid> any reason nfs instead of samba?
[11:19] <_2> welcome.   even though i didn't really help you any.
[11:19] <dotz> yeah..the nfs server was untouched.. just that the clients are upgraded to feisty
[11:19] <dotz> then it fail hehe
[11:20] <dotz> may i ask, what are the parameters u use to mount?
[11:20] <_2> flaccid for me  yes.  ease of setup.
[11:20] <flaccid> i guess im talking about in dotz case
[11:21] <dotz> flaccid: yeah i got samba running on the server to support windows computer to access it
[11:21] <dotz> can it be conflict?
[11:21] <flaccid> dotz: why not just use samba
[11:21] <flaccid> i don't think it can conflict at least not by default
[11:22] <dotz> ok i have to read up more on that
[11:22] <dotz> i only use nfs for linux mounting and samba for windows yet
[11:22] <dotz> !samba
[11:22] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:22] <dotz> can linux mount with samba ?
[11:22] <flaccid> samba is for mixed environments. something nfs can't do
[11:22] <flaccid> dotz: totally
[11:23] <dotz> right
[11:23] <_2> dotz yeah only the host addr  and the mountpoint      mount  192.168.0.1:/home/archives /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:23] <flaccid> at my work we have windows,freebsd,linux,mac os x all using samba in a mixed enviro no problem once set right
[11:23] <llutz> flaccid: windows can use nfs too, just needs "services for unix"
[11:23] <flaccid> nfs is insecure
[11:23] <flaccid> in comparison
[11:24] <_2> nfs is also a bit slow...
[11:24] <flaccid> samba via vpn is the best solution for remote
[11:24] <flaccid> that is for non scp users
[11:25] <_2> but it was so easy to setup and has not failed me.   so i'll use it.
[11:25] <flaccid> samba is easier to set up
[11:25] <stdin> sshfs is even easier :p
[11:26] <flaccid> that sounds cool and scary at the same time stdin
[11:26] <_2> can't be.   i installed the package edited one file on the server added one line   and issued the moutn command.    unless samba needs no configuration it's not easier.
[11:26] <_2>  moutn mount
[11:27] <flaccid> _2: that looks like the same amount of steps as samba, cept default package means no config besides the workgroup...
[11:27] <stdin> flaccid: it's cool, just about 0 config needed
[11:27] <flaccid> stdin: i'll have to check it. sounds mad
[11:28] <_2> "just about 0"  how much is that ?   edit 2 or 3 files ?
[11:28] <stdin> _2: no, install ssh, install sshfs and mount. done
[11:28] <flaccid> i don't see why ease of setup is anything to go by. all 3 things we are talking about are easy to set up and quick
[11:28] <_2> stdin sshfs on which end ?  server/client ?
[11:28] <chemicalvamp> would somebody refresh my memorie.. how do you mount a vfat partition?
[11:29] <stdin> _2: only the server need ssh, and only the client needs sshfs
[11:29] <_2> chemicalvamp   sudo mount /dev/<device> /<mountpoint>
[11:29] <chemicalvamp> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda3  /mnt/hda3 gave me an error
[11:29] <_2> stdin k  i'll have a look too
[11:29] <flaccid> !fstab > chemicalvamp
[11:29] <_2> chemicalvamp what error ?
[11:30] <chemicalvamp> mounting the new hda3 so i can put /boot on it
[11:30] <_2> chemicalvamp what error ?
[11:30] <chemicalvamp> copying the file to the drive
[11:30] <chemicalvamp> well the folder i mean
[11:31] <_2> chemicalvamp what error ?
[11:31] <chemicalvamp> _2 i answered you 3 times lol
[11:31] <_2> ???
[11:31] <joe_> how to use a tft-monitor with a notebook in dualhead?? intel 915gm graphics; any usable links for this?
[11:31] <_2> where ?
[11:31] <chemicalvamp> _2 i need to mount the new hda3 i made so i can copy the /boot/gub i modified
[11:32] <chemicalvamp> its vfat, and thanks for the partitioner help _2
[11:32] <_2> yes  i saw that   that doesn't tell me what error you cot
[11:32] <_2> got
[11:32] <chemicalvamp> ohh what error
[11:32] <chemicalvamp> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3,
[11:32] <chemicalvamp> and so on and so on
[11:32] <flaccid> you got the partition number or fs type wrong
[11:33] <_2> chemicalvamp   sudo mount /dev/<device> /<mountpoint>
[11:33] <_2> did you try it that way ?
[11:33] <flaccid> check disk/part logical name by fdisk -l
[11:33] <chemicalvamp> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[11:33] <_2> one should probably never specify -t vfat
[11:33] <chemicalvamp> flaccid i know what my file system is i just made it :)
[11:33] <_2> chemicalvamp wrong device node.
[11:33] <flaccid> i don't think you need a type option, vfat works auto with mount command iirc
[11:34] <_2> there is not fs on that device
[11:34] <flaccid> you might know what it is, but you have a param wrong..
[11:34] <_2> it's the device noed
[11:34] <_2> node
[11:34] <_2> there is no fs on that device
[11:35] <chemicalvamp> !paste>chemicalvamp
[11:36] <chemicalvamp> hmm have a look http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36661/
[11:36] <_2> chemicalvamp i sujest   sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/hda3
[11:36] <dotz> so i'll have to mount under smbfs in my clients?
[11:36] <kgarrod> anybody know how to configure the 'run' button in kdevelop? I am getting an error when I run my Ruby project and would liketo change the command
[11:37] <dotz> the helps are like linux samba serve windows clients.. or linux client access windows samba
[11:37] <chemicalvamp> _2 done
[11:37] <llutz> _2 mkfs.vfat -F32 ...
[11:37] <_2> chemicalvamp now mount it
[11:37] <chemicalvamp> did :)
[11:37] <chemicalvamp> thanks
[11:37] <_2> np
[11:38] <chemicalvamp> now i hope everything else goes according to plan
[11:38] <_2> that's why i ask for the specific error.   mount errors are a bit criptic  until you get used to them
[11:38] <yeniklasorr> How can I find a wireless headphone document ?
[11:38] <flaccid> dotz: cifs or smbfs
[11:39] <maverick> yeniklasorr: elaborate...
[11:39] <_2> llutz the format is auto.   if the device is large enough it will use fat32
[11:39] <yeniklasorr> maverick : not a problem
[11:40] <_2> i don't recall the exact size of the switch over  maybe 1g ???    but it is auto
[11:40] <maverick> yeniklasorr:i want to understand your question, that's it...u mean do u need a guide for wireless headphone?
[11:41] <yeniklasorr> maverick : I want setting up my wireless headphone on kubuntu. And listen music with it.
[11:41] <flaccid> plug them in
[11:41] <_2> !bluetooth
[11:41] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[11:42] <maverick> yeniklasorr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=520515
[11:53] <weakwire> hi .int kde4 beta 2 the lower bar don't work. why ?
[11:54] <stdin> weakwire: because it's a beta, and buggy
[11:55] <weakwire> ok... i would except a more specific answer.i don't use it i create some plasmoids.all the previus plasmoids don't work for this build
[11:56] <weakwire> yours lower bar works?
[11:57] <stdin> weakwire: no, and we can't give a specific answer as it's a KDE bug, nothing to do with us
[11:57] <chemicalvamp> is there a way to see where grub is installed to (on HDD) while on a live cd?
[12:02] <echo_> hello
[12:03] <christoffer> Hi i'm trying to use VLC player to show subtitles with movies. Bot no matter what movie or what subtitle it only shows the subtitles partially for some reason. Anyone got a solution?
[12:04] <zorg_the_false> q. i got a .deb available in a website and would to advice my user on how to install it easily, is there a way to get apt-get or dpkg to read the .deb directly from the http server, instead of first doing wget and then dpkg ?
[12:04] <EvilIdler> christoffer: I don't use VLC myself, but similar problems have been fixed by adjusting the vertical position on the subtitles in another player I used
[12:04] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Could also try different fonts
[12:04] <Tomi-idle> hi, i've got unremovable files on lost&found/ folder on my storage drive. i've tried sudo, says "operation not permitted". any ideas?
[12:04] <stdin> zorg_the_false: not unless they set up an apt repository
[12:05] <EvilIdler> Tomi-idle: Try 'sudo rm filename'
[12:05] <zorg_the_false> stdin: ok thanks. unfortunate but thanks :)
[12:05] <christoffer> I'll try that ... Be right back
[12:05] <Tomi-idle> owner of the files varies in random numbers
[12:05] <Tomi-idle> EvilIdler: i've tried sudo already- also with -f -R
[12:06] <EvilIdler> Tomi-idle: Ouch. Try "sudo chown root.root filename", then "sudo chmod 600" and finally remove them
[12:06] <flaccid> zorg_the_false: its not unfortunate :)
[12:06] <zorg_the_false> flaccid: well this make it harder for users in my case
[12:06] <Tomi-idle> tried chowning.. not working
[12:07] <flaccid> why is it harder
[12:07] <flaccid> adept for users that can do 2 commands..
[12:07] <flaccid> can=can't
[12:07] <Tomi-idle> all owners are randoms like "-r-s-wxrwT  2952814053 2298448652                                  #25301149"
[12:07] <zorg_the_false> flaccid: not that much but 2cmd instead of one, 'wget http://blabla/slota.deb; dpkg -i slota.deb' instead of a 'dpkg -i http://blabla/slota.deb'
[12:07] <EvilIdler> Tomi-idle: That looks like a serious data corruption error :(
[12:07] <EvilIdler> Tomi-idle: Last time that happened to me, the drive died shortly adter
[12:07] <EvilIdler> Tomi-idle: after, even
[12:08] <Tomi-idle> EvilIdler: yeah i would think so. it's a new drive <.<
[12:08] <zorg_the_false> Tomi-idle: this is in Lost+found ?
[12:08] <flaccid> zorg_the_false: what is your problem with 2 commands? its only 2 commands
[12:08] <Tomi-idle> zorg_the_false: yep
[12:08] <stdin> zorg_the_false: just tell them to right-click the .deb and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install
[12:08] <Tomi-idle> zorg_the_false: got plenty of them
[12:08] <flaccid> stdin: nice one
[12:08] <Tomi-idle> think i'll try to run fsck after i can unmount it
[12:09] <Tomi-idle> how do you go about changing from ext2 to ext3 without any problems? might help on the lost files case next time :)
[12:09] <zorg_the_false> stdin: well it doesnt even work for me, i guess its wont for my users :)
[12:09] <zorg_the_false> stdin: flaccid: ok thanks. im not here to argue :)
[12:09] <flaccid> Tomi-idle: ext3 is harder to recover
[12:09] <stdin> zorg_the_false: doesn't work how?
[12:10] <Tomi-idle> flaccid: didn't know that :/ but shouldn't it be better at keeping files in tact?
[12:10] <flaccid> it has journalling, but it doesn't help on the recover. ext2 you can, ext3 is very hard
[12:10] <EvilIdler> It should be better at not making errors, probably
[12:10] <flaccid> thats what i thought initially.. not a good assumption
[12:11] <zorg_the_false> stdin: it is ok i will simply advice wget;dpkg
[12:11] <zorg_the_false> i can make it easy to cut/paste
[12:11] <flaccid> you can use the keyboard too
[12:11] <Tomi-idle> flaccid: k. guess i'll not use it then :)
[12:12] <stdin> zorg_the_false: make a script to wget and dpkg -i the deb, then just get the user to run it :)
[12:12] <flaccid> Tomi-idle: i avoid it for that reason. i think its just early days for ext3 in that respect, it should get better
[12:12] <christoffer> jesus christ... i just closed vlc player but the movie sound is still playing!! :o
[12:12] <Perseid> Hi all. My Kubuntu install is finally getting useful. :) Anyway, I want XP to be the default OS in GRUB, so I moved it's menu.lst entry to the top of the list. Unfortunately when I removed some old kernels it rewrote menu.lst and nuked my XP entry. How do I keep the XP entry default?
[12:12] <zorg_the_false> stdin: there is klick doing that :) something along the line of "wget -O - http://babla/myscrip| sh " :)
[12:12] <Tomi-idle> flaccid: aren't they already making ext4 or is it finished? :p
[12:12] <christoffer> clear
[12:13] <flaccid> Tom\
[12:13] <EvilIdler> christoffer: I use Kaffeine with the Xine engine. Works fine, except that I always have to switch embedded subtitles on.
[12:13] <flaccid> Tomi-idle: no idea. its only 1 fs of many. i like ufs and reiserFS
[12:13] <Tomi-idle> flaccid: what do you recommend as / and home?
[12:13] <EvilIdler> I use JFS for my active partitions, and ext3 on boot/root/usr/var
[12:13] <flaccid> Tomi-idle: ext2
[12:14] <christoffer> EvilIdler: Can it time-delay subtitles with the use of hotkeys?
[12:14] <flaccid> Tomi-idle: home can be fat32 if you want access by other OSs
[12:14] <Tomi-idle> k thx. i'll have to look t it better next time im reinstalling
[12:14] <pparker> hi here
[12:14] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Yes, I think I've done that by accident lots of times. I'll check with one episode here.
[12:14] <Tomi-idle> flaccid: yeah i usually just use the ext2 driver for windows to access the files
[12:14] <Tomi-idle> flaccid: can't stand 2gb limit :D
[12:15] <christoffer> thx.. cause i really need that function
[12:15] <flaccid> Tomi-idle: i think you an do bigger than that with the LBA part type
[12:15] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Yep, the subtitle menu has a submenu with Advance/Delay
[12:15] <pparker> anyone has tested kde4b2 successfully ?
[12:15] <christoffer> damn how can i stop vlc player? it just keeps playing in the background
[12:15] <Tomi-idle> pparker: are the packages in the repos already?
[12:15] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Open a terminal and killall vlc?
[12:15] <flaccid> christoffer: open ksysguard and see if vlc is there to kill
[12:16] <Tomi-idle> christoffer: killall wxvlc
[12:16] <pparker> Tomi-idle: yes, but i can't get it running
[12:16] <Tomi-idle> christoffer: or ctrl-esc and find the process from there
[12:16] <pparker> startkde is not found
[12:16] <christoffer> thx killall worked :)
[12:16] <stdin> pparker: on feisty ?
[12:16] <pparker> stdin: yes
[12:17] <stdin> pparker: read the topic
[12:17] <flaccid> anyone using kubuntu on a flash usb drive booted?
[12:17] <pparker> ok ubt some packages are already available
[12:17] <christoffer> ctrl+esc dosn't work
[12:18] <stdin> pparker: yes, but not all...
[12:18] <pparker> i've got kdebase
[12:18] <flaccid> !info tzconfig
[12:18] <EvilIdler> pparker: I tried installing some packages, and found that the collection was rather incomplete and useless :(
[12:18] <ubotu> Package tzconfig does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:19] <pparker> i'm so eager to try
[12:19] <christoffer> installing Kaffeine as i speak
[12:19] <stdin> pparker: you have to wait, fact of life
[12:19] <christoffer> hope it's better than vlc :)
[12:19] <flaccid> kaffeine comes with kubuntu
[12:19] <EvilIdler> I think it's better. No guarantee you will, though ;)
[12:19] <flaccid> !info kaffeine
[12:19] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu7 (feisty), package size 2186 kB, installed size 6044 kB
[12:19] <DevideZero> how i can get mms support in kubuntu ?
[12:19] <EvilIdler> But on my system, (wx)vlc kept crashing, locking up
[12:20] <chemicalvamp> _2 hey you still there? i need that command you told me earlyer that changed my filesystem to fat32
[12:21] <yamal> Perseid: in menu.lst, put the xp entry before the "### begin automagic kernels list" so it won't be modified by updates, and set the default boot entry accordingly (probably to zero)
[12:21] <stdin> chemicalvamp: sudo mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hda3
[12:22] <chemicalvamp> thats the one :)
[12:22] <Perseid> Aha. I see it. Thanks. :)
[12:23] <yamal> yw
[12:23] <_2> yeah sorry busy chemicalvamp
[12:23] <chemicalvamp> is ok :)
[12:23] <chemicalvamp> if i get this to boot whats the command to see where grubis installed to?
[12:23] <Perseid> I'm trying to get the NVidia drivers to work. I installed nvidia-glx-new but if I change the xorg.conf from 'nv' to 'nvidia' X won't run.
[12:24] <christoffer> EvilIdler: How can i get it to detect the subtitles?
[12:24] <EvilIdler> christoffer: It should have a dropdown if you look in windowed mode, where it suggest a list of subtitles it found. If the subtitles are the same basename, it should pick them up straight away
[12:25] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Right-clicking the video window will show you a menu where you can enable/disable subtitles and change delay (and learn the hotkeys)
[12:25] <flaccid> Perseid: if you have upgraded kernel recently then you need to reinstal package, otherwise are you sure that the new driver is suitable for your video card?
[12:26] <christoffer> EvilIdler: it dosnt detect any subtitles.... :( they are .srt files...
[12:27] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Film.avi+Film.srt should be showing up :/
[12:27] <christoffer> EvilIdler: It is named the same as the film.. but... nothing
[12:28] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Just opened one which I'm still translating, and it enabled the subtitles right away. Lemme check settings.
[12:28] <Perseid> flaccid: Which package? I first installed nvidia-glx-new after my latest kernel upgrade. nvidia-kernel-common was there, though. Reinstall that? Also, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable wouldn't run because my .conf had been altered. Is there anything I need to do besides change nv to nvidia?
[12:28] <flaccid> !nvidia > Perseid
[12:28] <flaccid> Perseid: also see #nvidia
[12:29] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Are you using the xine engine?
[12:29] <Perseid> ok
[12:29] <flaccid> Perseid: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-new nvidia-glx-common
[12:29] <christoffer> EvilIdler: yeah
[12:29] <EvilIdler> christoffer: In the subtitles section, what are the beginner and expert options?
[12:30] <Ben_Cs> hello
[12:30] <christoffer> EvilIdler:  what do you mean?
[12:30] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Open Settings->xine Engine Parameters, and click subtitles a bit down the list there
[12:31] <Ben_Cs> i'm currently using xubuntu but thinking about installing kubuntu-desktop aswell. the question is: how good does kde handle IPODs?
[12:31] <stdin> Ben_Cs: amarok handles them quite nicely
[12:31] <emilsedgh> Ben_Cs: AFAIK, AmaroK is one of the best Tools to manage iPod
[12:31] <EvilIdler> Ben_Cs: Amarok asks when you insert a new flash device if it should handle it
[12:32] <Ben_Cs> stdin: that i know. i use amarok in xubuntu. but how about mounting and ejecting ipod?
[12:32] <christoffer> EvilIdler: Beginner options goes like this: small   ,    0    ,      iso-8859-1
[12:32] <christoffer> EvilIdler:  expert:   sans   ,   and a cross
[12:32] <stdin> Ben_Cs: that's handled automatically, or you can get amarok to do it if you want
[12:32] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Try unticking that last one in expert options
[12:33] <Ben_Cs> stdin: in xubuntu i had to edit fstab so ejecting will be done properly. how about kde? needs fstab editing?
[12:33] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Which video driver is xine set to use? xv is the one I use here
[12:33] <stdin> Ben_Cs: no
[12:33] <christoffer> EvilIdler: still no detection
[12:34] <Ben_Cs> stdin: ok thanks.
[12:34] <Perseid> Hmm. I used Adept to remove and reinstall the nvidia packages and in doing so it decided to install kernel 2.6.20-15 even though I already have 2.6.20-16. Why would it do that?
[12:34] <christoffer> EvilIdler: mmm... how to i check that
[12:34] <EvilIdler> Flash devices are handled through other means than fstab :)
[12:34] <EvilIdler> christoffer: It's still in the xine engine window, a few steps above the subtitles in the list
[12:34] <stdin> Ben_Cs: if you use aptitude to install kubuntu-desktop, you can always completely remove it (again with aptitude) if you decide you don't want to use it
[12:34] <Ben_Cs> stdin: BTW been using xubuntu cause the "too much of animation" in kde annoys me. any way to reduce animation in kde?
[12:35] <flaccid> Perseid: because by default ubuntu updates to new kernels when available
[12:35] <EvilIdler> Ben_Cs: Yeah, you can switch it all off. Which I do.
[12:35] <Ben_Cs> stdin: fair enough
[12:35] <Perseid> But it installed -15 when I already have -16.
[12:35] <EvilIdler> I only use the desktop cube and Expos-like effect from Beryl
[12:35] <Ben_Cs> EvilIdler: will look for it when kde is installed
[12:36] <christoffer> EvilIdler: set to auto
[12:36] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Try forcing it to xv and see if subtitles show up when you restart Kaffeine
[12:36] <christoffer> EvilIdler: could the iso be wrong in subtitles? it is danish subtitles
[12:37] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Possibly - I only translate to and use English, so I've never thought about that :)
[12:37] <baoji> Does anyone have KDE 4 Beta 2 installed?
[12:37] <flaccid> baoji: please read the topic
[12:37] <EvilIdler> christoffer: iso-8859-1 could be changed to utf-8, then, or you could load and save the srt to iso format
[12:37] <flaccid> utf-8 rules *cough*
[12:37] <baoji> flaccid: Ah. Indeed. Many thanks--apologies for the question!
[12:38] <flaccid> baoji: np good luck
[12:38] <christoffer> EvilIdler: still no change after XD forced
[12:38] <EvilIdler> Of course it does! Why would anyone not use utf-8? ;)
[12:38] <baoji> flaccid: (I guess I assumed that given the announcement at kubuntu.org, it had been released...)
[12:38] <flaccid> EvilIdler: if you are an alien
[12:38] <flaccid> baoji: yes, we just don't support beta here
[12:38] <stdin> Ben_Cs: you can run kpersonalizer after you install kubuntu to disable a lot of the effects too
[12:38] <EvilIdler> flaccid: The full range of UTF even covers alien languages, I think
[12:38] <flaccid> EvilIdler: not the aliens i know :(
[12:38] <EvilIdler> There's klingon, at least..
[12:39] <flaccid> lol
[12:39] <Ben_Cs> stdin: will try that. thnx
[12:39] <flaccid> universal != intergalactic
[12:39] <stdin> baoji: if you read the announcement, you'll see "Packages for 7.04 are currently being compiled and will appear in feisty-backports soon" ;)
[12:39] <flaccid> or does it hmm
[12:39] <EvilIdler> It's true. UTF covers made-up languages. The Unicode book is *huge*.
[12:39] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Could you send me the srt somehow so I can try it?
[12:40] <flaccid> EvilIdler: sick!
[12:40] <baoji> stdin: Actually, I am running gutsy and have followed the install instructions in the announcement...
[12:40] <stdin> baoji: then you can install it
[12:41] <baoji> stdin: Just wanted to compare notes with someone who has it installed. You see, it has very limited functionality when compared to the recent Ars Technica Beta 2 review...
[12:42] <christoffer> EvilIdler: how to send it? im trying to send here but it says private messages is blocked
[12:42] <stdin> baoji: it's beta, it's really not for normal use yet. mostly for developers
[12:42] <baoji> stdin: ...if that is to be expected, I can wait. But if I should have installed more packages, then it'd be good to know which ones...
[12:42] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Try the pastebin URL
[12:42] <christoffer> damn it.... it works fine in totem player.. but i cant time delay subtitles in totem :\
[12:42] <Perseid> OK. sudo nvidia-glx-config enable worked this time. Do I need to reboot to load the new drivers?
[12:43] <flaccid> Perseid: um try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart and failing that do a sudo rmmod nvidia && sudo depmd nvidia
[12:43] <flaccid> depmd=depmod
[12:43] <christoffer> but anyhow.. there can't be anything wrong with the subs when they work fine in totem?
[12:43] <Perseid> OK. Thanks.
[12:43] <christoffer> it must be a setting in the program
[12:43] <EvilIdler> christoffer: That's what I want to know - if Kaffeine has a bug of sorts that stops exactly those subtitles from working
[12:44] <EvilIdler> christoffer: If that's the case, they should fail here too
[12:45] <christoffer> okay... but i don't know how to send you the subs...
[12:45] <EvilIdler> christoffer: I think you need to register your nick to send private messages
[12:45] <christoffer> and how do i register my nick? i'm a newbie you know :P
[12:46] <EvilIdler> christoffer: Just send a message to the local, friendly nickserv :) --> "/msg nickserv help register"
[12:46] <EvilIdler> Do this on a tab where there is no channel if you're on Konversation - avoids errors with passwords :)
[12:47] <enry> hi
[12:48] <christoffernors> there
[12:48] <christoffernors> think i can send now
[12:48] <harmental> hey guys...ive just upgraded to gutsy...i works great....there is just this thing that is bothering me....I have a process called udevd thats taking 60% of my proc capacity all the time! i know its related to hotplug devices (i have an external usbdisk) but it doesnt sound right to me....any ideas?
[12:49] <christoffernors> EvilIdler: Can you recieve?
[12:49] <flaccid> harmental: see topic
[12:50] <stdin> harmental: #ubuntu+1
[12:51] <Fsh> hello
[12:51] <Fsh> i have some problem with a internet is very slowly
[12:51] <Fsh> i have aircard 850 modem
[12:51] <flaccid> Fsh: try a new isp
[12:52] <flaccid> oh
[12:52] <stdin> tried disabling IPv6?
[12:53] <paradise_> back
[12:53] <paradise_> im fsh
[12:53] <rami> !shockwave
[12:53] <ubotu> Shockwave is currently only available for Windows. To run it under !Wine, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[12:53] <paradise_> flaccid so what u think a solve for this problem
[12:54] <stdin> mmk, tried disabling IPv6?
[12:54] <paradise_> flaccid hellow ??
[12:55] <flaccid> paradise_: what problem
[12:55] <paradise_> flaccid im a fsh
[12:55] <paradise_> flaccid im my nick Fsh
[12:55] <flaccid> what is fs?
[12:55] <paradise_> flaccid lol a problem with aircard ?
[12:55] <flaccid> sorry, the problem is you are a fsh?
[12:56] <flaccid> !wireless
[12:56] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:56] <flaccid> lets see if the card is supported. what is the make/model
[12:56] <paradise_> flaccid yes
[12:56] <paradise_> flaccid ok wait
[12:57] <paradise_> flaccid look i have a solve but i did`t understand
[12:57] <paradise_> flaccid wait
[12:58] <paradise_> flaccid http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=154092 look here plz
[12:59] <paradise_> flaccid
[12:59] <paradise_>  In case the speed is very slow, you should try upgrading the firmware
[12:59] <paradise_>  version - I gained some speed after this.
[12:59] <flaccid> [20:56]  <flaccid> lets see if the card is supported. what is the make/model
[12:59] <paradise_> how i upgrading ?
[12:59] <paradise_> the firmware /
[01:00] <flaccid> what model is the card
[01:00] <paradise_> aircard 850
[01:00] <flaccid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AirCard8X0
[01:00] <flaccid> follow instructions
[01:00] <Ben_Cs> hello
[01:00] <paradise_> sierra aircard 850
[01:00] <paradise_> sir a net is slowly this a problem
[01:01] <Ben_Cs> just installed kubuntu-desktop. is there a way to completely uninstall xfce an all it's libs/fils/binaries etc. ?
[01:02] <stdin> Ben_Cs: see http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[01:04] <Ben_Cs> ok thnx
[01:06] <Ben_Cs> stdin: been looking for something like that for quite some time :)
[01:08] <juan_> k3b used to be unstable, then for some reason it was fine until i crashed my system and got rid of my xfs root, now its really unstable on me again
[01:08] <Perseid> OK, so installing the nvidia drivers seems to have broken openGL. If I run wine it says err:wgl:X11DRV_wglGetProcAddress No libGL on this box - disabling OpenGL support
[01:09] <flaccid> Perseid: pastebin output of glxinfo
[01:09] <juan_> is k3b normally useable?
[01:10] <Kengo> hi, i just installed kde4 beta2, nothing does work. i got a white panel with 2 errors (object coudnt be created), the upper left desktop menu has graphical glitches and does not work at all and a kclipper symbol is, for what reason ever, in the upper left corner.. . since this is the second beta and the reviews say its usable i thought that cant be right, so maybe i should report some sort of bug.
[01:10] <stdin> Kengo: read the topic...
[01:10] <Kengo> doh :D
[01:10] <Perseid> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36668/
[01:11] <Kengo> sry -.-
[01:11] <flaccid> Perseid: pastebin xorg.conf
[01:12] <Perseid> How do I paste the whole thing?
[01:12] <flaccid> Perseid: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:12] <flaccid> Perseid: as long as you have set a root pwd
[01:13] <Perseid> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36669/
[01:14] <flaccid> Perseid: give me a few mins. you want to use which driver, open source or proprietery?
[01:15] <Perseid> flaccid: I installed nvidia-glx-new, so whatever makes that work.
[01:15] <stdin> Perseid: you aren't using that, you're using "nv"
[01:15] <flaccid> sure
[01:15] <flaccid> that should be the only problem by looking at it..
[01:15] <shadowhywind> hay all, when i use dhcpcd it assigns me a different ip then what i want. I know there is a file that holds the last ip. But i can't remember where. Any ideas?
[01:16] <Electronic> Help me please. Where theme manager in Kubuntu?
[01:16] <flaccid> load glx and dri are there, so should work in theory after changing to "nvidia"
[01:16] <stdin> Perseid: did you run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" after installing it?
[01:16] <flaccid> shadowhywind: what are you trying to achieve?
[01:16] <stdin> !changethemes | Electronic
[01:16] <ubotu> Electronic: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[01:17] <Perseid> I did sudo nvidia-glx-config enable like the package description said to do
[01:17] <Perseid> So I should do that one too?
[01:17] <flaccid> Perseid: perhaps it failed
[01:17] <stdin> Perseid: well you're not using the driver, so try "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[01:17] <Perseid> It didn't say anything at all when I ran it.
[01:17] <shadowhywind> flaccid to beable to tell dhcpcd what ip it should assign first..
[01:17] <flaccid> Perseid: change "nv" to "nvidia" then restart x
[01:17] <flaccid> shadowhywind: ah
[01:18] <stdin> Perseid: look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf now, you should see " Driver		"nvidia" " now
[01:18] <flaccid> shadowhywind: thats on google, its done by mac address
[01:18] <Perseid> I ran sudo nvidia-xconfig and Driver does now say nvidia. So I'll be back in a bit. :)
[01:18] <flaccid> cool Perseid
[01:19] <flaccid> shadowhywind: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DnsAndDhcpServer and possibly if needed : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StaticDnsWithDhcp
[01:19] <flaccid> !dhcp
[01:19] <ubotu> dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol, a protocol for automatic IP assignment from a router. Ubuntu uses dhclient as a DHCP client but other ones (and DHCP servers too) can be obtained from the !repos. More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHCP
[01:20] <richi_> !ati
[01:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:20] <flaccid> shadowhywind: hmm thats not even right sorry
[01:20] <flaccid> shadowhywind: i will look up my config. its on google
[01:23] <flaccid> shadowhywind: this is how you do it in dhcpd.conf on the server: http://pastebin.ca/685422
[01:24] <richi_> Has anybody made the Radeon 9550 work in Kubuntu?
[01:25] <shadowhywind> flaccid i think i found the file that i was looking for, hehe
[01:25] <shadowhywind> now if i could get dhcpcd to stop acting like it is running.. so i could try it out, i would be even more set
[01:26] <Perseid> X wouldn't run. "mdadm: No devices listed in conf file were found" and I had to go from "nvidia" back to "nv" to get X to work.
[01:26] <flaccid> shadowhywind: err, act like its running?
[01:26] <flaccid> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp restart
[01:27] <Ben_Cs> hey. i did "get back to pure kde". how do i add a keyboard indicator to pannel? don't see it in aplets
[01:27] <feimao_> !rss
[01:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rss - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:27] <shadowhywind> Dhcpcd is already running.
[01:27] <flaccid> Perseid: it really said mdadm: ?
[01:27] <flaccid> shadowhywind: then what are you trying to do?
[01:27] <shadowhywind> i am trying to rerun dhcpcd
[01:27] <Perseid> Yeah. Then it gave me a termianl login which I used to put the .conf back.
[01:28] <flaccid> shadowhywind: what does re run mean
[01:28] <shadowhywind> i want to run the command again
[01:28] <flaccid> Perseid: never seen that error before sorry, try google
[01:29] <flaccid> shadowhywind: run which command?
[01:29] <Perseid> Hah. I always have to have the posessed computer. :)
[01:29] <SlimeyPete> Perseid: the mdadm error is nothingt do with X, you can ignore it
[01:29] <flaccid> don't worry, Perseid its like that for me too
[01:29] <SlimeyPete> mdadm is the RAID (disk array) demon. On most systems, it will produce that error as there is no array present. It's normal.
[01:30] <Perseid> Oh, OK. So it's not my video error.
[01:30] <Ben_Cs> anybody? how do i add keyboard language indicator to toolbar?
[01:30] <SlimeyPete> Perseid: indeed. Check the X logs in /var/log
[01:30] <flaccid> oh that crap came in on edgy, typical un optimised ubuntu
[01:31] <backtick> hi all, i'm trying to install kde 4 beta 2 packages as shown at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php .. i enabled backports and apt-get update but there's no kde4base-workspace.. only kde4base... any ideas?
[01:31] <flaccid> backtick: see topic and #ubuntu+1
[01:32] <stdin> backtick: the topic for this channel actually
[01:33] <backtick> ah i see, but why it was annouced on kubuntu site? they could have delayed the annoucement untill things are ready
[01:33] <flaccid> good question.
[01:33] <stdin> backtick: like it says, right on the announcement: Packages for 7.04 are currently being compiled and will appear in feisty-backports soon.
[01:33] <gabby> If I wanted to remove all gnome apps from my installation, how do I go about doing it?
[01:34] <stdin> gabby: try http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[01:35] <Perseid> I found this in Xorg.0.log.old: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[01:35] <gabby> stdin: Thanks
[01:35] <backpro> helo
[01:35] <backpro> hello
[01:35] <backtick> aaah
[01:35] <backtick> well i jumped right to the instructions
[01:35] <backpro> what is the last ubuntu version ??
[01:35] <Ben_Cs> stdin: how do i add klanguage indicator to panel?
[01:35] <flaccid> Perseid: thats old. laste run X will be /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:36] <stdin> backpro: feisty is the latest stable
[01:36] <backpro> 7.04 ???
[01:36] <Perseid> flaccid: Right. the file that's not .old seems to be for the X session I'm in now and has no errors.
[01:36] <stdin> Ben_Cs: you enable it from system settings > Regional & Language I think
[01:36] <stdin> backpro: yep
[01:36] <backpro> ok than you
[01:37] <flaccid> Perseid: then you are running the right driver as long as "nvidia" is in the xorg.conf
[01:37] <flaccid> pastebin the log if you want me to confirm..
[01:37] <gabby> stdin: How long should the process take? It seems I was done in like 20 seconds?
[01:37] <Perseid> flaccid: If I put nvidia in the .conf X doesn't boot. I changed it back and that's how I'm here now.
[01:37] <christoffernors> fuck
[01:37] <stdin> gabby: not long
[01:37] <stdin> !ohmy | christoffernors
[01:37] <ubotu> christoffernors: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:38] <christoffernors> sorry... just did something stupid
[01:38] <gabby> !ohmy | gabby
[01:38] <flaccid> Perseid: i show you how to troubleshoot X. this is what you do. you goto a tty and kill kdm by sudo /etc/init.d/kdm then you do startx to start X then you can see what the problem is.
[01:38] <gabby> stdin: Do I need to reload X, to see the changes?
[01:39] <stdin> gabby: shouldn't have to, unless you're running gnome
[01:39] <stdin> gabby: logging out and back in is the most you need
[01:39] <fildo> gabby: affirmative
[01:39] <fildo> alt ctrl backspace is ur friend
[01:39] <stdin> no
[01:40] <flaccid> fildo: no its not, thats kills X, not good br0
[01:40] <EvilIdler> The big, friendly logout button is your friend
[01:40] <Perseid> flaccid: OK. Thanks. Does that orphan the programs that are running?
[01:40] <fildo> if i make changes to xorg... thats what i do
[01:40] <flaccid> Perseid: no. it will kill X and anything under it...
[01:40] <gabby> will be back, with pure KDE..... hopefully
[01:41] <flaccid> fildo: not good, should just log out
[01:41] <stdin> fildo: but that's not what gabby did
[01:41] <flaccid> then restart x from kdm
[01:41] <Perseid> OK. Off I go to break my computer again.
[01:41] <ultralord> At the time of synchronizing the data of Kontact to Egroupware it gives an error me.  error 105: XML error: Invalid document end at line 1
[01:42] <Ben_Cs> stdin: before enabling layouts and xkb, i changed alt-crtl-K to alt-shift, and lang switching worked fine. when i enabled indicator and xkb, alt-ctrl-k works but alt-shift stopped working. know why?
[01:42] <stdin> Ben_Cs: not sure, I never use it
[01:43] <Ben_Cs> stdin: u use only english?
[01:43] <stdin> Ben_Cs: yep
[01:43] <Ben_Cs> stdin: ok
[01:44] <gabby> everything looks the same.... but is it.....
[01:44] <gabby> stdin: Gnome still shows up in the session manager :(
[01:45] <fkm> Did you delete the shortcut?
[01:46] <fkm> gabby: Have a look at /usr/share/xsessions/
[01:47] <stdin> gabby: is the package gnome-session installed ?
[01:47] <stdin> ok, he's not here :p
[01:47] <Perseid> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36671/ This is from the latest Xorg.0.log.
[01:48] <flaccid> ok
[01:48] <fkm> Btw. Is it possible to create an empty session? I currently have one that only starts Steam and ends when I close Steam. So I was wondering if a Session with nothing started would close itself directly when opened or don't open at all
[01:48] <flaccid> Perseid: what does sudo depmod nvidia return?
[01:49] <Perseid> flaccid: WARNING: Can't read module nvidia: No such file or directory
[01:49] <stdin> fkm: you could make a session that starts something like /bin/true
[01:49] <flaccid> Perseid: its not installed then. please pastebin sudo dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia
[01:50] <ubuntu> ciao
[01:50] <Perseid> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36672/
[01:51] <fkm> Cool :D Thank you stdin. Btw. Do you happen to know by heart how to end such a session? So that I'm back at the loginscreen
[01:51] <stdin> fkm: it should just dump you back to the login screen
[01:52] <fkm> ah. The thing is that I actually want to open applications in that session
[01:52] <flaccid> Perseid: what does uname -r say
[01:52] <fkm> From another session (i.e. Ctrl+Alt+F2) like I can do it with my Steam-session
[01:52] <Perseid> 2.6.20-16-generic
[01:53] <stdin> fkm: not sure then.
[01:53] <fkm> kk
[01:53] <flaccid> Perseid: are you choosing a dif kernel to boot on startup
[01:53] <fkm> Well. I suppose I could open something that doesn't consume much ressources
[01:53] <fkm> like xterm :D
[01:53] <Perseid> I'm picking the newest one in the list. Is that why it installed -15 when I installed the driver?
[01:54] <flaccid> Perseid: see how you have 100.14.11+2.6.22.3-10.1 for glx-new but you are running 2.6.20-16 ..
[01:54] <fkm> And then it should end the session, when I close xterm :) Worth a try :D
[01:55] <richi_> !restricted drivers manager
[01:56] <richi_> Does anybody know if I can use the restricted drviers manager in KDE?
[01:57] <Perseid> I'm not sure how to read this. 1.0.9755+2.6.20.5-16.29 Does that mean I use  2.6.20-16 or not?
[01:57] <stdin> richi_: not really, there will be a kde restricted manager in gutsy, but until then use instructions for edgy
[01:57] <richi_> stdin: I did, and it doesn't start the X...
[01:58] <flaccid> Perseid: did i read wrong
[01:58] <stdin> richi_: all the restricted manager does is install the package and run the setup command, some as the manual way
[01:58] <buz> can i somehow intercept the hibernate button and have the system suspend instead?
[01:58] <flaccid> Perseid: i pasted you mine by accident, but it still doesn't match
[01:58] <gabby> stdin: I'm using the second method on the page you showed me, how do I know that all the usual KDE apps are installed?
[01:59] <flaccid> Perseid: but that seems right. prefix is correct which is all that needs to be right
[01:59] <gabby> stdin: Actually, it doesn't matter, I think I can just install the ones that I find missing
[01:59] <stdin> gabby: just make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed
[02:00] <flaccid> Perseid: what does lsmod | grep nvidia say
[02:00] <Perseid> When I installed the nvidia drivers it also installed kernel 2.6.20-15. Am I supposed to use that?
[02:00] <Perseid> lsmod | grep nvidia says nothing
[02:00] <flaccid> is should be 2.6.20-16
[02:00] <Perseid> So basically the drivers aren't there even though the packages are.
[02:00] <flaccid> Perseid: ok 1 sec
[02:01] <flaccid> the kern mod doesn't come in the package
[02:01] <flaccid> Perseid: i will make a command that should rule out some stuff
[02:01] <Perseid> Cool. Thanks. :)
[02:03] <flaccid> Perseid: is restricted respos enabled?
[02:04] <Perseid> Yes
[02:04] <flaccid> Perseid: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new; sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-common; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get install restricted-manager; kdesu restricted-manager
[02:04] <flaccid> please try that
[02:05] <flaccid> i'll wait
[02:06] <Ben_Cs> doesn't kde use xorg.conf?
[02:06] <Perseid> "You need to install the package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic for this program to work" Should I do it?
[02:07] <flaccid> yep
[02:08] <Perseid> Nvidia accelerated graphics driver not in use. Check it?
[02:08] <flaccid> yep
[02:09] <flaccid> basically restricted-manager should install what you need and set it up. after that check and make sure xorg.conf still uses driver "nvidia"
[02:09] <flaccid> then reboot
[02:10] <Perseid> It changed it to nvidia. So it's reboot time. BRB
[02:10] <emilsedgh> I think with kubuntu 7.10, the traffic of this channel will be reduced, 50% of traffic is about restricted drivers :P
[02:11] <chemicalvamp> I need help installing a MBR and a root directory with Lilo
[02:11] <flaccid> emilsedgh: is that when krestrictedmanager is released?
[02:12] <emilsedgh> flaccid: there is a new place in SystemSettings (kcm) for that
[02:12] <flaccid> emilsedgh: sweet as
[02:12] <flaccid> i wouldn't say 50% is restricted drivers..
[02:12] <stdin> no, it's more
[02:12] <flaccid> serious
[02:13] <Jucato> !info restricted-manager-kde gutsy
[02:13] <ubotu> restricted-manager-kde: manage non-free hardware drivers - KDE frontend. In component restricted, is optional. Version 0.30 (gutsy), package size 63 kB, installed size 288 kB
[02:13] <Jucato> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras gutsy
[02:13] <ubotu> kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[02:13] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm getting can't getting kstartupconfig when using the latest kde4 beta 2.  any ideaS?
[02:13] <flaccid> cool
[02:13] <stdin> fulat2k: read the topic...
[02:13] <Jucato> fulat2k: make sure kdebase-workspace and kde4base is installed
[02:13] <Jucato> on gutsy
[02:14] <Jucato> haha sorry, forgot that not everyone's running gutsy :)
[02:14] <flaccid> im on fiesty livecd atm heh
[02:14] <chemicalvamp> omg i hate grub.. is there something wrong with "grub-install --root-directory= /dev/hda2"
[02:17] <purpleposeidon> chemicalvamp: the space after --root-directory=???
[02:18] <fulat2k> stdin: oops.  missed that :(  me bad
[02:19] <troyj> is there a way to load the nv driver on live cdrom ?
[02:19] <chemicalvamp> "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda2" would install it to a folder called /root/
[02:19] <chemicalvamp> i meant boot
[02:19] <Perseid> OK. I have a 7900GT. Do I use nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[02:20] <chemicalvamp>  "sudo grub-install --root-directory= /dev/hda2" would install it right on the drive
[02:21] <Jucato> troyj: either manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or go to System Settings -> Monitor & Display
[02:21] <Jucato> both need a restart of the X server (not a reboot)
[02:21] <stdin> Perseid: -new
[02:22] <javier> Hey.
[02:22] <wolfshow> www.ustc.edu.cn
[02:22] <Perseid> OK, well, restricted-manager keeps trying to install the not -new package.
[02:22] <stdin> wolfshow: ??
[02:22] <fsh> hi
[02:22] <javier> Hola a todos.
[02:22] <stdin> !es
[02:22] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:23] <stdin> wolfshow: any reason for that??
[02:23] <fsh> i have to problem first with a upgrade http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36676/
[02:23] <javier> No es aqu en Espaol?
[02:23] <stdin> fsh: use dist-upgrade
[02:23] <fsh> and the other problem with a internet i have sierra aircard 850 modem and is so slowly
[02:24] <christoffernors> evilidler
[02:24] <stdin> javier: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda
[02:24] <fsh> stdin and the other problem with a internet i have sierra aircard 850 modem and is so slowly
[02:25] <javier> Vale, garacias.
[02:25] <ubuntu_> hey, running kubuntu feisty-live-cd.. is there a way to delete files on a ntfs drive?
[02:25] <stdin> fsh: I don't know about those..
[02:25] <fsh> emm
[02:25] <stdin> ubuntu_: if you install ntfs-3g
[02:26] <ubuntu_> googleling
[02:26] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | ubuntu_
[02:26] <ubotu> ubuntu_: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:26] <backpro> i have ubuntu i dont know what his version how i can know i dont have the cd ?????????
[02:27] <Jucato> !version | backpro
[02:27] <ubotu> backpro: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[02:27] <Perseid> Right. So how do I convince restricted-manager to install the right driver?
[02:27] <chemicalvamp> !paste>chemicalvamp
[02:28] <backpro> lsb_release
[02:28] <backpro> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[02:28] <backpro> Description:    Ubuntu 7.04
[02:28] <backpro> Release:        7.04
[02:28] <backpro> Codename:       feisty
[02:28] <veveo> hi all
[02:28] <Dopey> This new opera browser looks promising
[02:28] <stdin> !paste > backpro
[02:28] <chemicalvamp> stdin could you have a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36677/ please?
[02:28] <veveo> i am trying to play a .mov file using mplayer
[02:29] <veveo> basicall i wanted mov files to play in firefox ...
[02:29] <ordinor> Dopey: how so?
[02:29] <veveo> can anyone guide me getting this correct ?
[02:29] <Dopey> irc client built in, for one thing
[02:29] <Dopey> small size, for another
[02:30] <stdin> chemicalvamp: --root-directory= should be the directory the root partition is mounted, and change /dev/hd0 to /dev/hda
[02:31] <stdin> veveo: you probably need the w32codecs package, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[02:31] <Jucato> hm... stdin might not be the only instruction needed for firefox?
[02:32] <stdin> veveo: ... and the mozilla-mplayer package
[02:32] <chemicalvamp> how do i format my MBR? everytime i try to install from my live cds it fails when it gets to writing the MBR
[02:32] <fsh> my problem with a internet i have sierra aircard 850 modem and is so slowly
[02:32] <veveo> I installed win32 codecs so now asf wmv and all other format plays except realplayer and quicktime ..
[02:32] <veveo> realplayer had their on plugin so i am using helix plugins.. but mov I cant find an alternative
[02:32] <fsh> chemicalvamp did u try to write mount -a ?
[02:32] <Perseid> OK. So what does restricted-manager even do? All it seems to do is install the glx package. And it's installing the wrong one. What's the difference between using this and using apt-get?
[02:33] <chemicalvamp> i dont know what that is fsh
[02:33] <chemicalvamp> u mean have i tried to mount all drives?
[02:33] <fsh> chemicalvamp what ur problem ?
[02:33] <veveo> Jucato: I have mozilla-mplayer and realplay and the plugins installed .. not just for the quick time videos (.mov or as mplayer shows mjpeg )
[02:33] <Jucato> strange
[02:34] <chemicalvamp> im trying to get grub to stop trying to get its files from a usb key ive installed linux to
[02:34] <veveo> does it plays for you with the mplayer ?
[02:34] <fsh> chemicalvamp emmmmmmmm idon`t have any idea
[02:34] <chemicalvamp> i want to install grub to a 8MB partition but every single time i try it blows up
[02:35] <fsh> chemicalvamp wait for moment may be anyone solve ur problem and my problem
[02:35] <veveo> when i do "about:plugins" in the firefox it shows that it can play quick time files .. :(
[02:35] <ubuntu_> how can i save a file in vim? :(
[02:35] <chemicalvamp> ive been on here for over 6 hours
[02:35] <chemicalvamp> if somebody here klnows the solution to my problem they havent said it yet
[02:35] <fsh> chemicalvamp emm
[02:36] <fsh> veveo use vlc is good for al media file
[02:36] <veveo> fsh: does it have firefox plugins for to play all the media type it supports  ?
[02:37] <fsh> veveo wait plz
[02:37] <veveo> fsh: okay
[02:38] <fsh> veveo ..
[02:39] <fsh> veveo https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:7 look here
[02:39] <fsh> veveo may  be solve ur problem
[02:39] <Ben_Cs> for some reason when i try to change alt-ctrl-k (keyboard layout change shortcut) to alt-shift, it doesn't let me. why?
[02:39] <chemicalvamp> i THOUGHT installing grub to X and overwrite my MBR would be easyer or faster then reinstalling windows all my apps and linux but apperntly grub isnt that easy
[02:40] <fsh> click k > sys&setting > keybord and mouse > shrut cut then change
[02:41] <fsh> in a scroll go to the bottom
[02:41] <veveo> fsh: thank you I will go through that document
[02:42] <fsh> veveo emm
[02:43] <fsh> veveo i think for linux is only for mac and windows
[02:43] <Ben_Cs> fsh: yeh but when i change there to ctrl-shift it changes it back to altctrl-K
[02:43] <fsh> veveo emm
[02:43] <fsh> emm
[02:44] <Perseid> Should I try using Envy on Feisty?
[02:45] <fsh> emm im a new with linux
[02:45] <fsh> :$ so im sorry
[02:45] <Jucato> !envy
[02:45] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[02:45] <Jucato> hm... never saw that factoid before :/
[02:45] <Perseid> Sigh.
[02:46] <Perseid> restricted-manager isn't working. It's installing the wrong driver.
[02:47] <Jucato> hm... feisty doesn't have a restricted-manager... you might be using the gnome version? (the one that uses synaptic)
[02:47] <Perseid> flaccid told me to install it.
[02:48] <Perseid> It's installing nvidia-glx when my 7900GT needs nvidia-glx-new
[02:49] <ants> Failed to fetch http://ee.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[02:50] <ants> I suppose that this is a temporary glitch, how often are the mirrors updated?
[02:51] <EvilIdler> Depends on the mirror, probably
[02:52] <ants> nevermind, temporarily changed the mirror
[02:58] <_paul> uh... someone's here?
[02:59] <aaron> where is the default apache document root?
[03:04] <ubuntu_> !paste
[03:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:05] <veveo> fsh: Hi again. I found that my mplayer doesnt play any .mov files from a site called rolling stones. but it plays apple movie trailers.. the first one mplayer says "incorrect format" and it is saying the format is "mjpeg" .. i dunno..
[03:06] <ubuntu_> cant install ntfs/3g :( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36683/
[03:06] <ubuntu_> (running live-cd)
[03:11] <fsh> veveo vlc can play mov file
[03:12] <fsh> my problem with a internet i have sierra aircard 850 modem and is so slowly
[03:12] <veveo> fsh: thank you.
[03:15] <kkathman> mornin folks :)
[03:16] <contrast83> 'Morning...
[03:16] <stdin> afternoon :)
[03:16] <fsh> :)
[03:18] <kkathman> greetings to stdin :) heh
[03:21] <fsh> my problem with a internet i have sierra aircard 850 modem and is so slowly
[03:34] <fkm> stdin: It works :) With just the "exec xterm" in the startscript the session stays open until you close xterm with "exit" - as there are no windowdecorations.
[03:35] <fkm> So I now got a clean session and don't even have to use "DISPLAY=:0 ..." all the time :D
[03:35] <stdin> fkm: nice :)
[03:36] <fkm> But I have to say that the performance didn't improve very much
[03:36] <fkm> The Doom3 Demo is now more or less playable but not as nicelooking as with windows
[03:36] <fkm> Well.. Let's call it a win :) I have some other things I should do now :)
[03:40] <PhinnFort> !sound
[03:40] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:42] <PhinnFort> how can I configure katapult?
[03:42] <PhinnFort> it looks like it's patched to hide the tray icon
[03:43] <PhinnFort> !katapult
[03:43] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[03:44] <christoffernors> can i delay or advance subtitles in xine player?
[03:44] <PhinnFort> christoffernors: I believe so
[03:44] <christoffernors> do you know how? i can't seem to find the shortcut
[03:45] <PhinnFort> christoffernors: . and ,
[03:45] <PhinnFort> that is colon and dot
[03:45] <christoffernors> hmm don't think so.. it just changes the between the different subs?
[03:46] <PhinnFort> hmmm
[03:46] <PhinnFort> then I don't know, sorry
[03:46] <christoffernors> :\
[03:47] <kkathman> is there a way to get kmix to run at startup? I thought this was the default, but it doesnt seem to come up?
[03:47] <kkathman> other than putting it in Autostart
[03:47] <Jucato> kkathman: the default behavior in KDE is that stuff you leave open when you logout are started when you log back in
[03:47] <Jucato> unless you changed it in the Session Manager. then you'd have to manually put it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:48] <kkathman> Jucato:  ahhh ok.. thanx (forgot about that)
[03:48] <PhinnFort> kkathman: choose "manually saved session" in session manager, and then set up all the programs as you would want it when logged in, and "save session" from the k-menu
[03:48] <kkathman> PhinnFort:  thanks :)
[03:49] <Jucato> or choose "Restore from previous session" and completely forget about manually doing it...
[03:49] <PhinnFort> np
[03:49] <PhinnFort> Jucato: I like to have a fresh start each time I start up;
[03:49] <PhinnFort> )
[03:50] <Jucato> just telling him the possibilities :)
[03:50] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:50] <kkathman> PhinnFort:  I went to session manager but dont see a way to "save" manually?? is it a different function?
[03:50] <Jucato> I used to do that too... but recently I've been less and less worried about fresh startups :)
[03:50] <Jucato> kkathman: once you enable "Restore from manually saved session", you will get a Save session entry in the K Menu
[03:50] <PhinnFort> kkathman: I tihnk it's under switch user
[03:51] <Jucato> :P
[03:51] <Jucato> beat yah
[03:51] <PhinnFort> after you do as jucato said;)
[03:51] <PhinnFort> but now I need help with my soundcard
[03:51] <PhinnFort> alsamixer shows all two channels up to maximum
[03:51] <PhinnFort> it's an intel card
[03:51] <PhinnFort> 82801H
[03:52] <christoffernors> Why is subtitles not displayed in Kaffeine or VLC when it is perfectly shown in Xine Player and Totem player? :(
[03:52] <kkathman> Jucato:  right you are, many thanks, sir.
[03:52] <PhinnFort> because you should use codeine
[03:52] <PhinnFort> !info codeine | christoffernors
[03:52] <ubotu> christoffernors: codeine: Simple KDE video player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.dfsg-2 (feisty), package size 174 kB, installed size 596 kB
[03:52] <PhinnFort> :P
[03:52] <christoffernors> I need a player where i can delay or advance subtitles
[03:52] <christoffernors> can it do that?
[03:53] <kkathman> Jucato:  of course I wonder if that will work with all the compiz-fusion stuff running :) guess I'll find out on my next boot
[03:53] <christoffernors> vlc and kaffeine can do that
[03:53] <hak5fan> Hi does anyone know how I can set up my sound so that I can hear the sound from more than one app.. I'm using a sound Blaster SB Live
[03:53] <christoffernors> but it dosnt show the subs for some reason :P
[03:53] <PhinnFort> !sound
[03:53] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:53] <Jucato> kkathman: theoretically, the session manager works on what apps are running, and not dependent on whether you are using KWin or not
[03:53] <kkathman> Jucato:  ok great :)
[03:54] <Jucato> kkathman: notice I said "theoretically" though :)
[03:55] <BluesKaj> hmm tried upgrading thunderbird to the 2.0 version, but it wont install in kde , can launch only from the /home/usr file ... compiled etc but there's no .bin file ...any suggestions ?
[03:57] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: run "find | xargs file | grep ELF" in the source dir
[04:01] <kkathman> Jucato:  one other thing - my system seems to be confused on its sound.  For instance, I get no sound event notifications, but when I play music in amarok, everything seems fine.  My keyboard sound buttons manipulate my onboard sound controls instead of my SB Live.  How might I get it "unconfused" ?
[04:02] <Jucato> !sound
[04:02] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:03] <Jucato> basically, the sounds used by system notifications (which would be arts) is different from the ones used by media players
[04:03] <elitrou> anyone has an idea how to connect to nokia cell phone (6288)?
[04:05] <stdin> elitrou: maybe with kmobiletools ?
[04:06] <Dr_willis> !adeptfix
[04:06] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:06] <kkathman> Jucato:  right, in fact this was working yesterday just fine, but Ive rebooted since then and think the system now is trying to use my onboard for system notifications using the KDE sound system - yet the test sound and test system notifications are running ok when tested
[04:06] <Jucato> weird...
[04:07] <BluesKaj> kkathman, you prolly have to choose which soundcard you want asthe default 'sudo asoundconf list' then, 'sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[04:07] <kkathman> ok thanks let me check that
[04:10] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  yeah for some reason, when Kubuntu boots is doesnt always put my Live 1st (i.e. device 0)
[04:11] <kkathman> that set-default-card didnt seem to fix my prob tho
[04:11] <BluesKaj> kkathman, a reboot should do the trick
[04:12] <kkathman> yeah probably right :(
[04:12] <kkathman> brb
[04:12] <BluesKaj> bbiab , gotta reboot too
[04:12] <Dr_willis> Its  a reboot party!
[04:12] <Dr_willis> ;)
[04:16] <jetsaredim> what's the easiest way to upgrade to gutsy from feisty?
[04:17] <linkin_park> hi dudes :D
[04:17] <linkin_park> i got a problem with my tv card :(
[04:17] <Dr_willis> jetsaredim,   i think there will only be like 1 way. :) with the apt-get dist-upgrade stuff.. BUT there may be some work in that area..  i say check the topic in #ubuntu+1
[04:19] <djdarkman> hello, why does a nvidia driver installation always messes up my mouse pointer? and is is possible to get my 17" Belinea monitor working without hacking xorg.conf?
[04:20] <djdarkman> I`m stuck using bitchx... cause I can`t use my display
[04:20] <juanra> ayuda
[04:20] <Dr_willis> djdarkman,  without hacking? editing one line, and adding in a few #'s is hacking? heh.
[04:20] <kkathman> hmm well I had system notifications when it started the booting into Kubuntu then they are now off
[04:21] <Dr_willis> djdarkman,  what is your video card?
[04:21] <kkathman> whats going on??
[04:21] <djdarkman> nvidia geforce 6100
[04:21] <djdarkman> but what does my videocard and monitor has to do with my mousepointer being not visible?
[04:22] <Dr_willis> djdarkman,  sounds like a video card driver bug to me. seen it in the past befor.
[04:22] <Dr_willis> just not lately. My nvidia 6150 works ok under linux. No issues like that. Odd...
[04:22] <djdarkman> but why doens`t my monitors resolution is never detected properly?
[04:22] <Dr_willis> I recall there being a 'hardware and software' way of showing the pointers. but man. Ive not had to mess with that in ages.
[04:23] <Dr_willis> as for the monitor. could be its not giving out the proper info to the X driver so it knows what res the monitor can do.
[04:23] <djdarkman> if I change the mousepointer in kcontorl it works
[04:23] <Dr_willis> djdarkman,  THAT sounds like  somthing totally different then.. almost sounds like the default mouse pointer files are currupted.
[04:24] <djdarkman> Dr_willis all the time I install kubuntu from a different DVd?
[04:24] <Dr_willis> djdarkman,  somthing seems odd then. Could be that KDE is using the 'X default' pointers initially, which are displayed some how differently then the customized kde ones.
[04:25] <Dr_willis> i wonder if a basic window manager like icewm, or fluxbox. would have the hidden pointer issue as well.
[04:26] <djdarkman> Dr_willis where can I set that up manualy, cause I`m fed up trying it with my mousepointer
[04:27] <fsh> my problem with a internet i have sierra aircard 850 modem and is so slowly
[04:27] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Not sure really. in the .kde directory would be the config files. But i dont know of a way to set it for all new users to be allready set. unless you found out what kde config file it was.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> the guys in #kde may know more.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> ive rarely messed with mouse pointers under kde/linux
[04:28] <Dr_willis> I tend to isntall the Artwiz pointers and let them go at that.
[04:28] <SlimeyPete> there's a defaults directory for config files, somewhere. /usr/share/defaults or something like that
[04:28] <DaSkreech> jetsaredim: You want to upgrade now? or when it comes out?
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. kde cant change the mouse pointers on the fly. bummer.
[04:32] <mosno> what's up with knetworkmanager and my wifi? regular gnome networkmanager brings up the interface (after it prompts for a key with nm-applet) but knetworkmanager gets stuck in the "bringing up" phase.
[04:32] <mosno> im running a vanilla 2.6.22.3 with Ubuntu Feisty plus kubuntu-desktop
[04:32] <mosno> knetworkmanager can handle the connection once i initially bring it up in gnome
[04:33] <t3h0wner2> Anyone happen to know what the video drivers are for a Gateway MX3230?
[04:33] <t3h0wner2> Is it OpenChrome, or no?
[04:33] <jetsaredim> DaSkreech: now would be nice
[04:33] <jetsaredim> :)
[04:34] <t3h0wner2> Anyone?
[04:34] <DaSkreech> jetsaredim: You can ask in #ubuntu+1
[04:34] <Dr_willis> t3h0wner2,  id say check the 'lspci' output and see what video card is in it.
[04:34] <jetsaredim> DaSkreech: already did
[04:34] <jetsaredim> thanks
[04:34] <t3h0wner2> ok
[04:34] <DaSkreech> t3h0wner2: Go to the Gateway site and see what Video card it comes with
[04:34] <Dr_willis> I got no idea what uses openchrome,
[04:35] <t3h0wner2> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP (rev 01)
[04:35] <stdin> jetsaredim: if it fails, you can do it the "old fashioned way"
[04:35] <t3h0wner2> unichrome pro igp, ok, so openchrome should work
[04:35] <jetsaredim> stdin: the cli doesn't bother me
[04:35] <t3h0wner2> the display is at the correct resolution, it is just that it is way too laggy
[04:35] <jetsaredim> stdin: i'm a linux developer for work
[04:36] <jetsaredim> i'm just not up on the upgrade practices of kubuntu
[04:36] <jetsaredim> i recently switched from gentoo
[04:36] <BluesKaj> right now i'm running thunderbird 2.0 from the shell script from within it's home/usr/thunderbird folder...it failed to install in kde ...there is a fix for this but I've forgotten what it is
[04:37] <stdin> jetsaredim: just disable any 3rd party repos and replace all instanced of feisty with gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update and aptitude dist-upgrade (i find aptitude works better)
[04:37] <t3h0wner2> Well, I hope OpenChrome works....
[04:37] <DaSkreech> jetsaredim: You just edit your ... damn What stdin said
[04:37] <t3h0wner2> Would be nice for something to work properly on here.
[04:38] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:38] <t3h0wner2> And I can't get sound to work either. I followed the guide to recompiling alsa, etc
[04:38] <t3h0wner2> Such an annoyance.
[04:39] <kkathman> hmmm ok Im getting perturbed at this sound thing
[04:39] <pointwood> hi, I got a little konqueror/KIO slave problem - when I try to access my website with the ftp slave (ftp://www.site.com) I just get a blank page in konqy. The site is of course running and I can connect just fine with other ftp clients. Any suggestions as to what could be the problem?
[04:39] <pointwood> I'm running Kubuntu Fiesty
[04:40] <BluesKaj> yeah and the new thunderbird offering doesn't compile properly ...frustration ...why do they push an incomplete installer
[04:40] <t3h0wner2> You're having audio problems too kkathman?
[04:40] <fsh> my problem with a internet i have sierra aircard 850 modem and is so slowly
[04:41] <jetsaredim> stdin: i just tried the version-upgrade on another computer and it seems that its working there
[04:41] <jetsaredim> must be ignoring the http_proxy setting in my environment on this system
[04:42] <t3h0wner2> wow
[04:42] <arkygeek> hi.  what happened to being able to select the menu bar i want to edit/configure? (feisty)  for example, I want to repostion the Kastray... but no option shows up. only possible to modify the main bar!
[04:42] <t3h0wner2> now i cant see my cursor
[04:42] <t3h0wner2> Wtf?
[04:42] <t3h0wner2> i can control things, but zee cursor decided to hide.
[04:43] <fsh> :\ so did`t any body solve my problem ?
[04:43] <t3h0wner2> ...
[04:43] <t3h0wner2> i have no cursor, there are bigger fish to fry here. :P
[04:44] <t3h0wner2> Ugh... maybe a reboot will solve everything.
[04:48] <llutz> BluesKaj: why don't you use feisty-deb for thunderbird2?
[04:48] <DaSkreech> jetsaredim: Great so instead of spending your time compiling you can spend your time compiling :)
[04:50] <jetsaredim> DaSkreech: I used to work in an office where a bunch of used gentoo and we had it setup so that when a new package came out we would distcc build it and it would be ready fast
[04:50] <BluesKaj> llutz, feisty-deb ...which repos ?
[04:50] <DaSkreech> jetsaredim: Sweet :)
[04:50] <llutz> BluesKaj: 3rd-party: deb http://www.telemail.fi/mlind/ubuntu feisty main
[04:50] <BluesKaj> thx llutz
[04:51] <t3h0wner2> bah
[04:51] <t3h0wner2> i partially got the cursor back
[04:53] <t3h0wner2> Anyone have tips to getting this blasted sound working?
[04:54] <pietjephuck> t3h0wner2: Mine worked out of the box
[04:54] <kkathman> t3h0wner2:  well Im struggling with that also in some cases - do you have 2 sound cards?
[04:58] <t3h0wner2> kkathman: Woot! I got it
[04:59] <t3h0wner2> i recompiled the alsa driver, enabled all sound options (phone, mic, etc.) then disabled the external amplifier under the switches
[04:59] <kkathman> t3h0wner2:  well I know my problem, just I dont have a fix for it yet
[04:59] <t3h0wner2> that's how i got mine working
[05:00] <kkathman> My problem is that I have an Onboard sound card and an SB Live card and each time I boot the system chooses a different one to be in the 0 position.
[05:02] <t3h0wner2> ah
[05:02] <t3h0wner2> but once manipulated, it works?
[05:02] <t3h0wner2> cna't you eliminate the non-working card in xorg.conf? or is that wishful thinking
[05:02] <t3h0wner2> can't*
[05:02] <pietjephuck> kkathman:  can't you disable the onboard in the bios?
[05:03] <t3h0wner2> Sometimes you can, that would certainly be nice.
[05:03] <arash> Hi, somone know any C++ programming IDE for the starters? I just started studying C++ at school so I would need one that can compile simple programs without grahpical interface
[05:04] <pietjephuck> arash: gcc might do it
[05:04] <Jucato> that's not an IDE though
[05:04] <t3h0wner2> gcc
[05:04] <t3h0wner2> yeah
[05:04] <fsh> :\ so did`t any body solve my problem ?
[05:04] <Jucato> but if you're just starting, you don't need an IDE yet
[05:04] <fsh> my problem with a internet i have sierra aircard 850 modem and is so slowly
[05:04] <arash> Jucato , well, it's really ugly if you have to compile all code through the terminal :-/
[05:05] <Jucato> ???
[05:05] <pietjephuck> No idea what an IDE is (appart from " Integrated Drive Electronics")
[05:05] <Jucato> programmers (should) love seeing compile messages :)
[05:05] <Jucato> Integrated Development Environment
[05:05] <arash> yea
[05:05] <pietjephuck> oh ok
[05:06] <arash> but, well, I was thinking somehting like the Bloodshed IDE; with color and compiler's messages
[05:06] <Jucato> There's KDevelop and Anjuta
[05:06] <Jucato> then there's Kate
[05:07] <arash> Kate, does it make color's like the 'normal IDE's'?
[05:07] <Jucato> nope. you have to compile using the embedded Konsole :)
[05:08] <t3h0wner2> Does anyone know ho to show the main hdd on the desktop?
[05:08] <t3h0wner2> how*
[05:08] <pietjephuck> I wonder what an "Integrated Development Environment" would look like, as I don't think all the needed parts needed to be truly integrated are even invented yet
[05:09] <arash> hmm, but what has that to do with it XD , I mean I can live with compiling with Konsole after all, it's not that hard I guess, but can you tell Kate to give the text the normal C++ colors
[05:09] <pietjephuck> Maybe a expresso machine on the desk?
[05:09] <bbeck_> Does anyone know when the 64bit version of the kdebase-workspace packages will be released?  I'm dying to try out Beta2 on my desktop.
[05:09] <t3h0wner2> i have no problem compiling C in the konsole, I don't see the big deal
[05:10] <fsh> my problem with a internet i have sierra aircard 850 modem and is so slowly
[05:10] <arash> t3h0wner2 ,hm ok, It's ok I guess, but in what you write the code?
[05:11] <t3h0wner2> nano
[05:11] <bassinboylp> can you add repositories to kubutu?
[05:11] <bassinboylp> or, to adept rather
[05:11] <t3h0wner2> good ol' bottom of the rung, nothing special
[05:11] <arash> t3h0wner2 , you are lieing...
[05:11] <t3h0wner2> bassinboylp: yup
[05:11] <t3h0wner2> ?
[05:11] <Jucato> !repositories | bassinboylp
[05:11] <ubotu> bassinboylp: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:11] <t3h0wner2> How so?
[05:12] <t3h0wner2> i like nano
[05:12] <arash> t3h0wner2 , well, isn't that really horrible?
[05:12] <t3h0wner2> no
[05:12] <Jucato> O.o
[05:12] <t3h0wner2> why do i need all the extra frills
[05:12] <t3h0wner2> you type, tab, etc. why do i need anything else
[05:12] <t3h0wner2> i mean, after all, it is just C
[05:13] <bassinboylp> Thanks, also, iwconfig says there is wireless extensions on eth1, but ifconfig doesn't say that eth1 exists, i did modprode bmc43xx for my card
[05:13] <Jucato> arash: you will discover that on Linux, there are command line editors that do a better job than full blown IDE's
[05:13] <t3h0wner2> but maybe i am used to it since i normally only run level 2 anyway
[05:13] <t3h0wner2> Jucato: Exactly
[05:13] <arash> hmm, well, I think you are badly restricted if you can't even use the mouse... (or can you on nano)
[05:13] <Jucato> arash: oh how greatly mistaken you are :)
[05:14] <bassinboylp> should i try ndiswrapper?
[05:14] <t3h0wner2> Why would you need the mouse? And yes, you can use the mouse in nano, technically, if you are within KDE or gnome to begin with
[05:14] <t3h0wner2> i.e., if i bring up the konsole now, cd /src/, nano blah.c
[05:14] <t3h0wner2> copy text, right click paste if i have the urge to. but i normally dont
[05:15] <t3h0wner2> By the by, what is the "official" apt-get repository for .mp3 codec
[05:15] <arash> uhu..., anyway, have you tried kate?
[05:15] <t3h0wner2> i hate kate
[05:15] <t3h0wner2> i normally wind up with \\par and \t
[05:15] <t3h0wner2> its annoying
[05:15] <Jucato> t3h0wner2: package is libxine-extracodecs
[05:15] <t3h0wner2> thanks :D
[05:16] <t3h0wner2> but i still dont know why my bloody cursor dissapears whenever i hover over certain apps
[05:16] <t3h0wner2> oh well
[05:16] <arash> hmm, still I wonder :), can kate coulour the text like MS Visual Studio?
[05:17] <arash> or any other color suited for C++
[05:17] <Jucato> arash: topic is kinda offtopic, but just think about this. If you say that you are so restricted by using a command-line editor for programming, how come most developers use editors like vim, emacs, etc.
[05:17] <t3h0wner2> if i had to use a GUI based editor, i would use notepad++
[05:17] <Jucato> arash: if you mean syntax highglighting, then yes
[05:17] <t3h0wner2> oh vim, how i loath thee. :D
[05:17] <Jucato> preference, preference, preference
[05:17] <Jucato> :)
[05:17] <BluesKaj> right on llutz , successfully installed thunderbird 2 , thx for the tip :)
[05:17] <llutz> BluesKaj: np
[05:17] <t3h0wner2> yay BluesKaj
[05:18] <bassinboylp> has anyone  used a bluetooth device for an internet gateway on kubuntu? i can find my phone, but can't connect
[05:18] <BluesKaj> mozilla should be taken to task for the broken installer when trying to compile
[05:18] <t3h0wner2> but either way, i dont need syntax highlighting. if you are a good programmer, any error, etc. should stand out like a soar thumb, without some pretty text to tell you
[05:18] <arash> Jucato , do you know how to set it that way :)?
[05:19] <Jucato> arash: that's already by default once you open/save it as the proper filetype
[05:19] <arash> Im not a good programmer in C++, nor in generall pseudo code neither (in comparision)
[05:19] <arash> Jucato , thanks, that's good!
[05:19] <Jucato> arash: if you want to manually do that, Tools -> Highlighting -> choose your filetype
[05:20] <Jucato> and since KDevelop actually uses kate's core text editing component, it can do that too. and so can KWrite, and Quanta...
[05:20] <Jucato> but vim, nano (I think), and emacs can do that as well
[05:20] <t3h0wner2> Jucato: You should at least understand my point....
[05:20] <Jucato> t3h0wner2: I do
[05:20] <stdin> nano can :)
[05:21] <Jucato> I just forgot to put a :) there
[05:21] <t3h0wner2> Jucato: By the by, that codec i installed, does it require a reboot? Amarok is still becoming feisty with me.
[05:21] <stdin> restart amarok
[05:21] <Jucato> t3h0wner2: no reboot of course. this isn't windows :)
[05:21] <t3h0wner2> heh, true
[05:22] <t3h0wner2> but i just restarted amarok, gave me a few import errors about not finding the mp3 codec
[05:22] <Jucato> hm...
[05:22] <Jucato> that'd be weird
[05:22] <t3h0wner2> the gstreamer plugins to decode "MP3" files cannot be found
[05:22] <t3h0wner2> Indeed
[05:23] <Jucato> O.o
[05:23] <t3h0wner2> 0o is right.
[05:23] <Jucato> you are using GStreamer?
[05:23] <Jucato> Amarok uses Xine... please check which engine is being used
[05:23] <t3h0wner2> I am, I guess?
[05:23] <Jucato> Settings -> COnfigure Amarok -> Engines
[05:23] <arash> Ok, this issue happend before and settled itself out with time, (it worked fine during start of session, but now it is problem). when I press the 'lower volume'/'higher volume' on my keyboard, it say's kmix ain't running but it is
[05:23] <gabby> How do I connect to a silc server with xchat?
[05:23] <t3h0wner2> oops, wrong app
[05:23] <t3h0wner2> the other one, not amarok
[05:23] <Jucato> lol!
[05:24] <Jucato> you mean rhythmbox?
[05:24] <t3h0wner2> haha, apparently I was using "Music Player"
[05:24] <t3h0wner2> yes
[05:24] <Jucato> the GNOME/Ubuntu app
[05:24] <t3h0wner2> my bad, bear with me, i be sick
[05:24] <Jucato> !mp3
[05:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:24] <Jucato> follow the first link and look for MP3
[05:24] <t3h0wner2> Alrighty then, thanks.
[05:24] <Jucato> then do the instructions for Ubuntu
[05:24] <arash> How can somone reject Amarok? I would definetly be on Vista if it wsn't for Amarok and Kopete...
[05:25] <t3h0wner2> i heart pidgin. :D
[05:25] <Jucato> [23:17]  <Jucato> preference, preference, preference
[05:25] <backpro> how to chose the login manager (kde or gdm ) ???
[05:25] <t3h0wner2> i still dont know why my cursor chooses to dissapear whenever i hover over certain applications
[05:26] <t3h0wner2> damnit via vga
[05:26] <DaSkreech> fsh: How are you connecting?
[05:28] <DaSkreech> arash: Yes Kate has syntax highlighting
[05:28] <arash> DaSkreech , Yea, I heard, thanks :)
[05:28] <t3h0wner2> yay, works.
[05:29] <fsh> is so slow
[05:29] <t3h0wner2> wow, stupid cursor. is it so much to ask to see your own cursor?
[05:31] <DaSkreech> fsh: Dialup modem?
[05:32] <kkathman> t3h0wner2:  oh you want to SEE it too??
[05:34] <t3h0wner2> kkathman: Heh, so it would seem that that is too much to ask.
[05:35] <fsh> my problem with a internet i have sierra aircard 850 modem and is so slowly
[05:35] <fsh> Sierra Aircard 850
[05:35] <fsh> Pci
[05:39] <fsh> sooo
[05:39] <fsh> no body can solve my Problem !
[05:39] <backpro> how to make kde hebrew language (change all kde language) ???
[05:39] <Tm_T> !patience | fsh
[05:40] <ubotu> fsh: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:40] <kkathman> fsh what are you connecting to the network at?
[05:40] <kkathman> what speed?
[05:40] <Tm_T> backpro: have you installed hebrew language packs?
[05:40] <backpro> no
[05:40] <fsh> speed for a net speed
[05:40] <fsh> is laaaf
[05:40] <fsh> laag
[05:41] <kkathman> fsh no no - on your lappy you should get a definitive bitrate
[05:41] <fsh> what ?
[05:41] <kkathman> fsh:  sometimes the network in an area is just slow - i.e. 256k in some areas Ive experienced, others are at 1.8 MBit it just depends
[05:42] <kkathman> so it might not be your system - but the connection
[05:42] <fsh> any where
[05:42] <fsh> is lag
[05:42] <fsh> and slowly
[05:42] <kkathman> fsh - where is "anywhere" ?
[05:42] <fsh> any where
[05:42] <fsh> my room
[05:43] <kkathman> fsh if you are in a country or area that has slow GSM network speeds theres nothing you can do
[05:43] <fsh> every where is lag
[05:43] <fsh> in windows is fast
[05:43] <fsh> no  no is fast in windows xp
[05:43] <kkathman> fsh:  well you failed to mention that - use windows then :)
[05:43] <fsh> no
[05:43] <fsh> last few day is fast
[05:44] <fsh> nowdays is slow
[05:44] <fsh> i don`t what happen
[05:44] <cbtis155> ey what at jeck
[05:45] <fsh> i think the problem with update a firware
[05:45] <fsh> look here
[05:45] <arash> what do I need to download with adept to compile simple C++ code from the terminal?
[05:45] <genii> arash: build-essential
[05:45] <fsh> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=154092 look
[05:46] <llutz> arash: g++
[05:46] <fsh> - In case the speed is very slow, you should try upgrading the firmware
[05:46] <fsh> version - I gained some speed after this
[05:46] <genii> llutz: Maybe that too :)
[05:47] <arash> ah, thnaks, build-essential is installed and there are many results for g++ search, which do I need?
[05:47] <llutz> arash: maybe g++-3.4 - The GNU C++ compiler
[05:47] <arash> i have installed 4.1, isn't that one better?
[05:49] <arash> hmmm, ok, either way both will do :), what should I type in terminal for it to work?
[05:49] <llutz> arash: man g++
[05:50] <arash> Thanks llutz
[05:56] <deichgraf> moin
[05:58] <arkygeek> ALX82: what do you want?
[05:59] <BluesKaj> kkathman, i was away for an hr or so .. have you got your sound prob fixed ? if not there is one more slightly more drastic approach , whiah works for windows ans ince it's a change in the BIOS it might work in linux as well... in the BIOS , go to  hardware/peripherals and enable the Sound Blaster card , then disable the onboard sound
[06:00] <ALX82> I'm copletely new in kubuntu
[06:00] <ALX82> yesterday I installed in my laptop
[06:00] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  well I have it narrowed down - when I boot it seems my system toggles which card is device 0.  So I think the only solution is to disable the onboard at the bios if possible - which I will check out next time I boot
[06:01] <ALX82> and today I wanna use photoshop ins that posible?
[06:01] <BluesKaj> right , if it doesn't work you can always re-enable it
[06:01] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  otherwise I have to reboot a few times until it makes the SB live device 0 - which might be once or 10 times
[06:02] <djdarkman> hy, how can I make kde lock screen after a few minutes of inactivity?
[06:02] <savetheWorld> djdarkman: turn on the screen savers with the lock desktop option enabled
[06:03] <kkathman> whats odd is that it must be something very specific to kubuntu because I dont have this problem when dual booting to openSUSE - but they had a YaST utility that allowed me to hard set the device to 0
[06:03] <kkathman> and it came up 0 everytime
[06:03] <djdarkman> savetheWorld: don`t have such an option
[06:04] <britetimez> _.
[06:04] <djdarkman> I saw such an option  on my laptop, but that was because it had a battery...
[06:04] <britetimez> Lol.
[06:05] <savetheWorld> djdarkman: IIRC the screensavers on KDE do have that ability
[06:05] <britetimez> Pure il canale inglese :\.
[06:05] <elzbal> djdarkman: System Settings -> Desktop -> Screen Saver. The checkbox is called "Require password to stop".
[06:06] <djdarkman> sorry didn`t see it the first time
[06:06] <elzbal> no worries. It's hidden by unexpected verbiage. :)
[06:08] <savetheWorld> djdarkman: yeah, I cant find it either! :-)  I was looking under display!
[06:08] <savetheWorld> :-D
[06:09] <vbgunz> I have this problem, when dragging files on the desktop, my pointer quickly switches from a hand (ok to drop file) to an X (cannot drop here)... it is very very annoying. well, I just pinpointed the exact app that causes this frustration and it is Firefox 2 :( anyone know of how to alleviate this problem?
[06:09] <djdarkman> hmmm firefox gui vs kde...
[06:10] <djdarkman> maybe firefox is not freedesktop capable
[06:10] <ALX82> #kubuntu.es
[06:10] <vbgunz> djdarkman: if not for some plugins, I'd switch almost instantly :(
[06:10] <arash> how do i allow universe/multiverse  on Kubuntu?
[06:10] <fangorious> it's so nice when the channel topic answers your question
[06:10] <djdarkman> vbgunz: what plugins?
[06:11] <vbgunz> web developer and firebug are two of the most important atm
[06:11] <djdarkman> arash: apt -> file -> manage repositories
[06:11] <ALX82> somebody knows if exist a kubuntu channel in spanish?
[06:11] <djdarkman> vbgunz: you mean you develop web apps?
[06:11] <emilsedgh> !es
[06:11] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:12] <savetheWorld>   /j #kubuntu-es
[06:12] <vbgunz> djdarkman: yeah, mostly studying but those apps are important to me
[06:12] <djdarkman> vbgunz: what do those do exactly?
[06:12] <vbgunz> i searched google but don't know what to look for exactly. my queries ae returning nothing on point :(
[06:13] <djdarkman> (I`m developing complex web apps and I rarely need ff)
[06:13] <djdarkman> but what are those plugins capable of? what they do?
[06:14] <vbgunz> web developer will need to be seen to be understood, it literally has about 100+ features to it that are all very impressive. firebug I tend to use mostly for javascript which I am learning now. the other markups, I am fine with kate
[06:14] <emilsedgh> ah, Firefox is Fx, not FF :P
[06:14] <djdarkman> lol
[06:16] <djdarkman> ij I`ll install firefox to see what does do if they are amd64 compatible
[06:16] <djdarkman> *ok
[06:17] <vbgunz> if you never played with the web developer plugin, beware, it is deep :)
[06:17] <arash> djdarkman , huh I tried, but which exact program you mean with 'apt' ?
[06:17] <djdarkman> arash: I meant in adept
[06:17] <djdarkman> or if you don`t mind a little command line
[06:18] <djdarkman> I can tell you what to do there
[06:18] <arash> djdarkman , nope I odnt mind at all :)
[06:18] <djdarkman> arash: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:18] <djdarkman> # is a comment mark
[06:18] <stdin> s/kwrite/kate/
[06:19] <djdarkman> delete those from the repos wich you want to enable
[06:19] <djdarkman> for examle
[06:19] <djdarkman> # deb myrepo.net restricted
[06:19] <djdarkman> becomes
[06:19] <djdarkman> deb myrepo.net restricted
[06:19] <djdarkman> hope that covers it
[06:20] <djdarkman> stdin: it`s good for fast one time editing
[06:20] <vbgunz> I like kate, I haven't found an IDE or something I prefer over it... I came from SciTE :)
[06:20] <kaminix> Anyone know a good image viewer for KDE that is not Gwenview (large pictures look like shit when I zoom out in GV)
[06:20] <djdarkman> vbgunz: maybe quanta plus if you like developing for the web
[06:20] <stdin> !ohmy | kaminix
[06:20] <ubotu> kaminix: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:20] <arash> whoups, seems like I already have enabled them :p
[06:20] <djdarkman> kaminix: use KView
[06:21] <stdin> or kuickshow
[06:21] <djdarkman> there are a lot you can choose from
[06:21] <kaminix> stdin: Sorre. I meant the pictures look like not-so-very-good when I zoom out in Gwenview.
[06:21] <kaminix> Thanks, I'll check them both out. :)
[06:22] <vbgunz> I just got virtualbox seamless working in Kubuntu and it is so far on the money. works great with a few annoyances but its all good :)
[06:22] <djdarkman> btw: I read that the kde team has fixed the image librarys in the kde4 libs, hope that means gwenview will finally work good
[06:23] <kaminix> I have THE expectations for KDE 4. I'll try it as soon as the first RC comes out, possibly at the Beta 3 (last beta before RC)
[06:23] <vbgunz> I have no plans to jump on the KDE 4 bandwagon although I know it's going to be great :)
[06:24] <kaminix> Why not jump if you think it will be great?
[06:24] <djdarkman> altough the kde team is wasting some time on some useless "features"
[06:24] <kaminix> Such as?
[06:24] <vbgunz> personally, I wish to wait for 4+1
[06:24] <djdarkman> trancparency support...
[06:24] <ScorpKing> i like that.
[06:24] <kaminix> Ah, but you can disable that, right?
[06:25] <djdarkman> yeah I like that two, but If I want It I want compiz or beryl to do it
[06:25] <ScorpKing> more things to install that can go wrong
[06:25] <kaminix> True.
[06:25] <kaminix> Will there be Kubuntu repos for the RCs?
[06:26] <stdin> kaminix: yep
[06:26] <djdarkman> and it keeps them from making things far more important, for example a healthy sound system...
[06:26] <djdarkman> arts is a mess
[06:26] <kaminix> And the Beta 3?
[06:26] <djdarkman> kaminix: I think so, kubuntu supported alpha 1 too
[06:26] <kaminix> Sweet. :)
[06:27] <stdin> kaminix: every (pre-)release will be in a repo
[06:27] <vbgunz> Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon I believe will not ship KDE 4
[06:27] <kaminix> It won't, no. Not be default anyway.
[06:27] <djdarkman> but I think it won`t be worth it to use that, it probebly won`t be suited for production purpuses
[06:27] <stdin> neither will 8.04
[06:28] <djdarkman> the kde4 release schedual is way past it`s expectations
[06:28] <kaminix> Why not in 8.04?
[06:28] <djdarkman> they need more time
[06:28] <stdin> no, 8.04 will be LTS
[06:28] <djdarkman> kaminix: because kubuntu needs something stable that realy works for an LTS
[06:28] <vbgunz> 8.04 is going to be great, I've been on Ubuntu since the end of Hoary and every release only got better
[06:29] <stdin> djdarkman: see http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=729 for a more up-to-date release schedule
[06:30] <ksivaji> !ntfs
[06:30] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:30] <djdarkman> stdin: this means that until December, 11th all the kde team will do is bugfixing?
[06:30] <ksivaji> !ntfs-3g
[06:30] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:31] <stdin> djdarkman: from Oct 19, yeah
[06:32] <djdarkman> hmmm that`s a lot of time, hope that phonom will make it until then
[06:32] <genii> Theres a lot of bugs to fix
[06:32] <djdarkman> yeah but they had a things that needed redisigning too
[06:34] <stdin> djdarkman: once the porting of all the libs is done, things move a lot faster
[06:34] <djdarkman> I once had a realy simple qt app, it took me at least 20 minutes to port from qt3 to qt4
[06:34] <EightiesK> !wlan
[06:34] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:35] <djdarkman> I can Imagine how much time it took porting the kde libs from qt3 to qt4
[06:35] <stdin> ever used qt3to4 ?
[06:35] <djdarkman> no, what`s that?
[06:35] <djdarkman> some sort of converter?
[06:36] <stdin> it's a helper to convert qt3 to qt4 :)
[06:36] <djdarkman> aha
[06:36] <EightiesK> does anyone know how i can get wireless drivers for my Dell Wireless 1490 Dual-Band WLAN MiniCard on Gusty
[06:36] <djdarkman> EightiesK: maybe I do
[06:37] <djdarkman> EightiesK: is it supported by linux?
[06:37] <stdin> EightiesK: with ndiswrapper, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29
[06:37] <djdarkman> or it`s windows-only?
[06:37] <EightiesK> i dunno.
[06:37] <djdarkman> stdin: I think he need a wlan manager first :)
[06:37] <EightiesK> its inside my laptop so is that pci?
[06:38] <djdarkman> EightiesK: what is it`s brand?
[06:38] <genii> stdin: Dell may actually now have debs, i found some for the Conexant modems they use on their site
[06:38] <djdarkman> broadcom by any chance?
[06:38] <EightiesK> Dell Wireless 1490 Dual-Band WLAN MiniCard
[06:38] <EightiesK> its by dell
[06:38] <stdin> genii: those "dell" minicards are normally broadcom IIRC
[06:38] <EightiesK> IC
[06:39] <genii> stdin: Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
[06:39] <emilsedgh> Im online with conexant modem using Dell's driver
[06:39] <emilsedgh> and running the Vroadcom wlan is soo easy
[06:39] <emilsedgh> I have 1390
[06:39] <emilsedgh> s/Vroadcom/Broadcom
[06:39] <EightiesK> emilsedgh: where would i go about getting the driver?
[06:40] <emilsedgh> EightiesK: for wlan?
[06:40] <EightiesK> yes
[06:40] <EightiesK> i have a Latituded d820
[06:40] <emilsedgh> EightiesK: I get the driver from my Dell's Disc (which was included in the laptop package) but there are many drivers in support.dell.com download the windows driver...
[06:41] <EightiesK> emilsedgh: there was a linux driver on the disk?
[06:41] <emilsedgh> EightiesK: no, I ran it using ndiswrapper (runs the windows driver on linux)
[06:41] <stdin> http://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R115321.EXE < seems to be the dell driver
[06:42] <cherva> I have a little problem when I install nvidia-glx and restart KDM the only thing i get is the loading screen of kubuntu pls help
[06:42] <EightiesK> emilsedgh: IC so how would i run the wrapper. I'm not very good @ this.
[06:43] <stdin> EightiesK: there are instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[06:43] <EightiesK> stdin: thanks
[06:43] <emilsedgh> EightiesK: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-common
[06:43] <EightiesK> hmmmm...
[06:44] <EightiesK>  i'll need to go hardwire for a min then.
[06:44] <EightiesK> Qxserver
[06:44] <emilsedgh> ok
[06:44] <EightiesK> !xserver
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <EightiesK> emilsedgh: is that multiverse?
[06:44] <pascal_> What is the program called that runs the bootsplash screen?
[06:44] <emilsedgh> EightiesK: I dunno
[06:45] <EightiesK> emilsedgh: understood.
[06:45] <emilsedgh> but i dont think so
[06:45] <Inf3st3dC0w> how can you increase the resolution beyond 1024x768
[06:45] <stdin> pascal_: usplash
[06:45] <EightiesK> !byrel
[06:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about byrel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:45] <stdin> !resolution | Inf3st3dC0w
[06:45] <pascal_> stdin thanks
[06:45] <EightiesK> ; ;
[06:45] <ubotu> Inf3st3dC0w: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:47] <Inf3st3dC0w> hmm alright
[06:48] <EightiesK> I haven't used linux in about 4 months or so how does pidgin run on KDE  now?
[06:49] <genii> EightiesK: Googling tells me you want the bcm43xx driver for that wireless adapter
[06:50] <helpneed> can you help me with pppoe?
[06:51] <fsh> my problem with a internet i have sierra aircard 850 modem and is so slowly
[06:52] <emilsedgh> fsh: is that its chipset? never heard of that
[06:54] <blekos> hi, i had used a command to export a list of my installed programs in file from adept, now i've reinstalled kubuntu and want to insert the list to adept,
[06:54] <blekos> any ideas?
[06:54] <EightiesK> thanks everyone.
[06:54] <EightiesK> just one more question.
[06:55] <EightiesK> What is beryl
[06:55] <genii> blekos: Look up get-selections and set-selections
[06:55] <llutz> blekos: dpkg --set-selections < package-list
[06:55] <emilsedgh> EightiesK: search for Beryl in youtube about Beryl to see whats that
[06:55] <EightiesK> !beryl
[06:55] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:56] <EightiesK> i see  I seen it on there but is it its own desktop or an extention of kde?
[06:56] <stepz> you probably want compiz
[06:56] <stepz> beryl was a temporary fork of compiz
[06:57] <fsh> emilsedgh no pci gprs
[06:57] <stepz> you could call it an extension
[06:57] <emilsedgh> EightiesK: a window Manager
[06:58] <EightiesK> there any fast way to get it emilsedgh?
[06:59] <stepz> install compiz-kde and run compiz --replace
[06:59] <emilsedgh> EightiesK: Manages your windows, kubuntu's default window manager is Kwin, you could run Compiz to have those effects
[06:59] <fsh> emilsedgh how to upgrade firmware ?
[06:59] <emilsedgh> fsh: ur modem? i dunno
[07:00] <stdin> stepz: compiz (not -fusion) doesn't work well in kde
[07:00] <fsh> emilsedgh my modem is gprs aircard 850
[07:00] <fsh> emilsedgh pci
[07:01] <emilsedgh> fsh: I really dont know, and I never heard about it
[07:01] <backpro> how to chose gdm theme ??
[07:01] <fsh> emm
[07:01] <fsh> thanks alot
[07:01] <EightiesK> bbl i need to go to my GF's House.
[07:01] <arash> are you supposed to only be able to have one application playing sound at once?
[07:02] <fsh> i hope some one solve my problem
[07:04] <ScorpKing> fsh: have you tried google?
[07:05] <fsh> of course
[07:06] <ScorpKing> mmm. i'm not to clear on what the problem is. :(
[07:06] <fsh> the problem
[07:06] <ubunturos> !cursor-theme
[07:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cursor-theme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <ubunturos> !cursor
[07:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cursor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <fsh> is last few day i do some update
[07:07] <fsh> and i trun off my laptop
[07:07] <stdin> !enter
[07:07] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:08] <ubunturos> I changed the cursor theme to a sort of "X cursor theme" and Kubuntu cannot find the file. It refuses to start the GUI. How do I change it to some other cursor using CLI?
[07:08] <fsh> and contine when i open my laptop
[07:08] <ScorpKing> fsh:  and no the modem is dead?
[07:08] <fsh> no
[07:08] <fsh> is slowly
[07:09] <ubunturos> X freezes on starting and it cannot find the "cursor" theme :(
[07:09] <ScorpKing> fsh: can't you try and flash the old firmware again? if you can get it...
[07:10] <fsh> i do not how
[07:10] <fsh> how /
[07:10] <fsh> ?
[07:10] <server_> hii
[07:10] <fsh> to get or flash
[07:10] <stdin> ubunturos: I think it's set in ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfig
[07:10] <ScorpKing> fsh: then how did you do it the first time?
[07:11] <fsh> i did`t do any thing :|
[07:11] <ubunturos> stdin: so would it have cursor or something related?
[07:11] <ScorpKing> fsh: what did you update then? your linux?
[07:11] <fsh> yes
[07:12] <ubunturos> stdin: to edit? because, I can't access the GUI at all!
[07:12] <stdin> ubunturos: use nano to edit, eg: mine has the line, kcminputrc_mouse_cursortheme="DMZ-White"
[07:12] <ubunturos> stdin: ok. btw, any idea what the default theme would be called?
[07:13] <llutz> ubunturos: "kubuntu"
[07:13] <ubunturos> llutz: ok.
[07:13] <fsh> look for this site plz http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=154092
[07:14] <ScorpKing> ok
[07:14] <fsh> :)
[07:17] <fsh> ScorpKing emm i hope to read something usfel to my problem
[07:18] <ScorpKing> fsh: it seems like it's usefull. i'm busy working as well so gimme a sec or two...
[07:18] <lokpest> hi, im having problem with non-kde-programs, the icons often get to big in the systembar down right
[07:18] <lokpest> sorry for the bad explenation
[07:18] <fsh> ScorpKing i just say :Pp
[07:22] <Solifugus> How can I disable my stupid scratchpad on my laptop?  Or reduce its sensitivity?  It keeps screwing up my code whenever anything gets near it!!#@!
[07:22] <Solifugus> Scratchpads right below the space bar are a very stupid idea!!
[07:23] <elzbal> Solifugus: Some of my coworkers have used business cards taped over the pad. (It doesn't bother me, though)
[07:23] <mattperry1976> I have a question about the system req for installing the latest tribe cd via the live cd image...I tried to install on a pentium 4 2.66GHz mach with 256M RAM and the live cd ran ok, but when I went to run the install program, it was extremely draggy...like several hours for each step...am I missing something?
[07:24] <Solifugus> that's an idea.. it's not too bad writing a letter.. but really bad when writing programming code..
[07:24] <stdin> mattperry1976: gutsy help in #ubuntu+1
[07:24] <elzbal> Solifugus: There may also be a way to do it in xorg.conf, in the mouse config section.
[07:24] <elzbal> ... if you know which mouse device (mouse0, mouse1) it shows up as.
[07:24] <Solifugus> doesn't kde have something to set its sensitivity?
[07:25] <stdin> mattperry1976: and 256 is a little low for a live install I think
[07:26] <elzbal> mattperry1876: You can try using the "alt" CD, not the LiveCD, for the installation. That should be faster for you.
[07:26] <mattperry1976> will that let me do a normal 'non-oem' install?
[07:27] <stdin> mattperry1976: the alternate cd will do the same install as the live
[07:27] <deviance> What is the best way to open a graphical app in root?
[07:28] <ScorpKing> fsh: the problem is that linux uses the aircard 775 drivers and you have a 850. that's why it's slow. all the instructions to fix it is on the link you gave me. have you tried to translate the webpage? i'm not sure where to find the firmware that you need.
[07:28] <stdin> deviance: kdesu
[07:28] <deviance> Ok, Thats it :P:
[07:29] <mattperry1976> thanks
[07:30] <ScorpKing> does someone have time to help out fsh? look at the link he posted. it sould be simple. i have to go work. will be back later. :)
[07:31] <fsh> ok
[07:31] <fsh> thanks alot
[07:31] <Solifugus> stdin >>/dev/null
[07:32] <deviance> stdin: How can i launch Konqueror from command line
[07:33] <stdin> deviance: by typing in konqueror
[07:34] <deviance> Diddnt work :)
[07:34] <deviance> :(
[07:34] <deviance> Oh that did
[07:34] <jhutchins> deviance: We can't help you unless you give us information.
[07:34] <deviance> :P
[07:35] <deviance> SO why cant I kdesu konqueror
[07:35] <elzbal> (1) You should be able to.   (2) why do you want to?
[07:35] <jhutchins> deviance: Here's the deal:  You have to tell us what DOES happen, not what doesn't.
[07:36] <zipper> I've just installed the kde-kdm-themes package, and i can see the new themes under Apperance in the System Settings menu. It says i have to press the Administrator Access button, but i'm unable to find it. It's not where the admin button usually is. What gives?
[07:36] <deviance> jhutchins: oK
[07:36] <elzbal> deviance: kdesu on konq might be a bit dangerous. A quick mouse slip could mess up your system pretty good.
[07:36] <deviance> Let me try it again :P
[07:36] <stdin> zipper: you have to run "kdesu kcontrol" to use it
[07:37] <deviance> Yes, but I want to move some amsn plugins arround, and its the easiest way to do it, what do you recomend elzbal
[07:37] <zipper> stdin, hmm... i cant find the kdm themes section, only splash screen which is not what i want
[07:37] <stdin> zipper: it's under System Administration
[07:37] <zipper> ahhh
[07:38] <zipper> wicked, thanks
[07:40] <ubunturos> stdin: though I changed the lines of startupconfig, the GUI still refuses to start
[07:41] <zipper> hmm, next question: For some reason, some time ago, my kdm screen's resolution messed up. It's like it's zoomed in, and i can "scroll" (forgot the xorg function name... virtual something?). When i log in though, there are no problems. Any ideas on how to fix?
[07:42] <stdin> ubunturos: I'd ask in #kde then
[07:42] <deviance> What program is there for monitoring CPU usage?
[07:42] <zipper> should i take my question there as well?
[07:43] <DevideZero> someone can see this ? http://yes.walla.co.il/?w=1/7082/1156790
[07:48] <mahdi> qtparted doesn't seem to want to let me resize partitions, am I missing something here?
[07:48] <mahdi> or wait, won't let me resize the one i'm currently on, well that makes sense. duhh.
[07:48] <lysdexia> Howdy. I'm trying to set up an ad-hoc wireless network on my box. Fiesty, Atheros card.
[07:49] <lysdexia> I'm having I've attempted to set it up using the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Adhoc
[07:49] <lysdexia> but no luck.
[07:49] <juan> hello
[07:50] <juan> is someone having problems with kde 3.93 (gutsy) and plasma?
[07:50] <stdin> !gutsy | juan
[07:50] <ubotu> juan: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[07:51] <juan> thanks ubotu
[07:51] <juan> ;)
[07:51] <lysdexia> I keep getting an "invalid argument" when I attempt to set any of the device properties with iwconfig.
[07:52] <DevideZero> how i can install wmv support for all the system ( all the players , and all the browsers ) ?
[07:52] <maverick> anyone knows how to install kde 4 beta 2??
[07:52] <stdin> maverick: see the /topic ...
[07:55] <lysdexia> Is there a proper channel to ask networking questions on? I don't want to sit here and pester people without cause!
[07:57] <AlbertoP> kkathman, :)
[07:59] <kkathman> hi AlbertoP :)
[07:59] <AlbertoP> hehe
[08:03] <djdarkman> smplayer complains on compilation that it can`t find kurl.h what package is that exactly?
[08:04] <stdin> djdarkman: use the file search on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ too find out
[08:06] <genii> Looks like it belongs to kdelibs
[08:06] <stdin> djdarkman: from the build-depends in gutsy package, it seems you just need kdelibs4-dev
[08:09] <titanix88> blueskaj here?
[08:09] <djdarkman> stdin: the problem was the I copy pasted the make command
[08:09] <djdarkman> and I copy pasted stuff like /opt/kde3/lib
[08:11] <titanix88> djdarkman: whats ur problem?
[08:12] <djdarkman> my problem was that I actualy copy pasted wrong parameters from the smplayer build instructions
[08:12] <titanix88> smplayer?
[08:13] <djdarkman> yes
[08:13] <stdin> !info smplayer gutsy
[08:13] <djdarkman> it`s an mplayer gui
[08:13] <ubotu> smplayer: complete front-end for MPlayer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.5.20-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 816 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[08:13] <djdarkman> I compiled it with kde support :)
[08:13] <titanix88> why not regular install?
[08:13] <djdarkman> by default it`s qt
[08:13] <stdin> because it's not in feisty
[08:14] <stdin> !info smplayer
[08:14] <ubotu> Package smplayer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:14] <djdarkman> and I have amd64 version of ubuntu
[08:15] <titanix88> sometimes u can use gutsy stuff in feisy.
[08:16] <djdarkman> titanix88: I rather compile, gutsy is still very unstable
[08:16] <stdin> now, what I'd do, and this is just me, is go here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smplayer/0.5.20-0ubuntu1 and download the .dsc, .diff.gz and the .orig.tar.gz, then use dpkg-source to unpack it and then build a deb from that... but that's just me
[08:17] <titanix88> for dependency prblm, i unpack the .deb and delete dependcies ane repck.
[08:17] <stdin> eww, that's nasty
[08:17] <titanix88> :)
[08:17] <djdarkman> stdin: that`s old
[08:18] <djdarkman> mine is 0.5.21 :)
[08:18] <SilentDis> hello
[08:18] <stdin> djdarkman: 0.0.01 diff != old
[08:18] <titanix88> hi stdin
[08:18] <djdarkman> hmmm didn`t use diff and patch much...
[08:19] <titanix88> what diff does?
[08:20] <stdin> titanix88: diff = difference
[08:20] <SilentDis> Trying to get an EVDO connection setup here, I don't seem to be getting a proper device assigned to my cellphone though (was expecting somethin in /var/log/messages noting it was assigned a port, but didn't get it) could anyone offer assistance?
[08:20] <djdarkman> titanix88: diff get`s the difference between two files
[08:20] <stdin> man:/diff
[08:20] <titanix88> i expected stable kde4 :(
[08:20] <djdarkman> stdin: if I dl the sources from there I can easily make an  ubuntu deb?
[08:22] <titanix88> silentdis:dmesg
[08:22] <djdarkman> sorry but I realy know few about packageing and patching
[08:22] <stdin> djdarkman: yeah, you just do "dpkg-source -x http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8177746/smplayer_0.5.20-0ubuntu1.dsc" then "cd smplayer-0.5.20" and "debian/rules build && fakeroot debian/rules build" et viola, a deb
[08:22] <elzbal> stdin: Were there problems with the kde4 build last night?
[08:23] <stdin> elbing: they built, but some dependencies are wrong, so some have to be rebuilt
[08:23] <elzbal> gotcha
[08:23] <titanix88> SilentDis: net throuh cellphone?
[08:23] <helppluz> hi pplz!!
[08:23] <helppluz> listen I've got an issue
[08:24] <stdin> elbing: if you want to watch the necessary package build: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/3.93.0-0ubuntu2~feisty3 ;)
[08:24] <helppluz> all of a sudden K3B doesn't detect my burner!!!
[08:24] <helppluz> pluz halp!!
[08:24] <BluesKaj> !ask | helppluz
[08:24] <ubotu> helppluz: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:24] <titanix88> helppuz: SCREAM!!
[08:25] <deviance> What program is there for monitoring CPU usage?
[08:25] <elzbal> stdin: Heh, thanks. Neat page. But I wasn't holding my breath anyway.  :)   (Although I'll give it a whirl when it comes out...)
[08:25] <djdarkman> stdin: I think that a single smplayer package is wrong, I mean there should be smplayer-kde smplayer-qt3 smplayer-qt4 where can I tell that on launchpad?
[08:25] <SilentDis> titanix88: yep.
[08:25] <ninhobomba> deviance: ksysguard
[08:25] <deviance> Thank you
[08:25] <helppluz> I mean I do can play DVD and CD's just isnt burning
[08:25] <elbing> stdin: wtf are you saying?
[08:26] <stdin> djdarkman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smplayer/
[08:26] <titanix88> silentdis:try dmesg|less
[08:26] <deviance> Anyone here use last.fm?
[08:26] <helppluz> the BURN button isn't highlighted
[08:26] <elzbal> elbing: I think he might have gotten you and me mixed up.
[08:26] <deviance> I am having trouble connecting, it just says connecting for ages
[08:27] <titanix88> deviance:my bro does.
[08:27] <elbing> forget it
[08:28] <SilentDis> titanix88: yep, it's seeing the usb device (shows up in /var/log/messages as "there", and lsusb sees it) but it's not getting a port assignment to use it as a modem
[08:28] <BluesKaj> helppluz, install libdvdcss2, libxine-extracodecs and w32codecs...and for mp3 in K3B : sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[08:29] <SilentDis> grrr, my 'net connection sucks lol
[08:29] <titanix88> silentdis : try wvdial.
[08:29] <helppluz> BluesKaj: it was working fine until recently starting buggin out
[08:30] <titanix88> silentdis:i can help u a configure it.
[08:30] <SilentDis> titanix88: will that assign it a port?  let me pastebin my /var/log/messages end and lsusb output, so you can see what i mean...
[08:30] <SilentDis> titanix88: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36716/
[08:31] <helppluz> what does this mean? E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[08:31] <titanix88> sorry i can't read right now cause from cellphone.
[08:32] <titanix88> but wvdial is easy.
[08:32] <elzbal> helppluz: Are you on 64-bit gutsy?
[08:32] <helppluz> elzbal: yes
[08:32] <helppluz> Fiesta
[08:32] <elzbal> I had that problem too. I moved to feisty for that reason.
[08:32] <helppluz> elzbal: I am in feisty now
[08:32] <titanix88> sudo wvdialconf to configure ur modem.
[08:33] <helppluz> elzbal: no clue of what could've cause that thing?
[08:33] <elzbal> helppluz: Ah, ok.   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[08:33] <elzbal> if you're on 64-bit, the package may be called "w64codecs".
[08:33] <ubunturos> where does the cursor theme file load from for X?
[08:33] <judgen> is there any way of removing amarok and kaffeine withouth removing kubuntu-desktop?
[08:34] <ubunturos> my X fails to load without a cursor file
[08:34] <judgen> btw anyone knows where i can get a xmms skin that is similar to plastik?
[08:35] <SilentDis> titanix88: i had plugged/unplugged it 3 times there.  was expecting to see it get a port assignment, something like /dev/ttyACM0 or the like
[08:35] <ubunturos> my GUI (X) fails to load
[08:35] <BigMac> Anyone know how to block someone in kopete?
[08:35] <ubunturos> I had changed the cursor to a theme called "X cursor theme" and now X fails to load
[08:37] <djdarkman> where can I file a system-settings bug/feature-req ?
[08:38] <BluesKaj> judgen, no but you can remove them from the k-menu in kcontrol
[08:38] <judgen> BluesKaj:  i know. But i want to remove it from the computer...
[08:38] <BluesKaj> or add-remove programs
[08:39] <helppluz> hi I have a broken update how do i fix it?
[08:39] <judgen> BluesKaj:  if i use apt to do it... it tells me that it will remove the kubuntu-desktop package too..
[08:39] <BluesKaj> judgen, nope , yer outta luck ...they come as an integral part of kubuntu-desktop
[08:39] <helppluz> it's said there was an break during the process
[08:39] <titanix88> silentdis:tried wvdial?
[08:41] <BigMac> Anyone know how to block someone in kopete?
[08:41] <judgen> BluesKaj:  silly that i cant remove something from a metapackage... what if i just remove the binary and all references to amarok. Will it ask for it then when i launch an mp3 song? or will it take xmms? Assigning xmms to launh everytime i use an mp3 seems not to work.
[08:41] <Dhraakellian> man... I thought my days of "still compiling" were over once I left Gentoo for Kubuntu
[08:42] <BluesKaj> why are you so adamant at removing amarok, judgen ?
[08:42] <judgen> BluesKaj:  i dont like it... that about it...
[08:42] <helppluz> I've got a broken package, how may I fix it?
[08:42] <judgen> BluesKaj:  reminds me of itunes.
[08:42] <titanix88> silentdis: maybe dialling is more imp than port asign
[08:42] <Dhraakellian> even though itunes is a lot more collection-centric than amarok
[08:42] <BluesKaj> Dhraakellian, you don't 'have to" compile , all the stable stuff is in the repos
[08:43] <xp_killer> BigMac: u want to block them or delete?
[08:43] <Dhraakellian> BluesKaj: see topic
[08:43] <judgen> well i guess ill just remove the kubuntu-desktop then and do a apt-get install kde-core in termainl...
[08:43] <elzbal> BluesKaj: Look at the "Context" tab in Amarok. You won't think that way anymore. But if you really hate it, you can ignore it.
[08:43] <judgen> ok cya in a while =)
[08:43] <elzbal> Sorry, that was to judgen
[08:44] <BluesKaj> ellbal ..it's not me ..i love amarok,,, read again above
[08:44] <BluesKaj> elzbal
[08:44] <elzbal> BluesKaj: I know, I typed the wrong name.  :(
[08:45] <helppluz> I've got a broken upgrade how can I fix it anybody plz??
[08:45] <titanix88> hey blueskaz
[08:46] <xp_killer> helppluz:   sudo apt-get -f install
[08:48] <xp_killer> !samba
[08:48] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:48] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[08:49] <Dhraakellian> on the other hand, at least Kubuntu's "still compiling" isn't eating up CPU cycles on my own computer
[08:49] <titanix88> blueskaz i said hi >(
[08:49] <ubuntu_> asd
[08:50] <Aleks> :)
[08:50] <Aleks> Hi all
[08:50] <Aleks> Nice to be here
[08:50] <titanix88> hey
[08:51] <xp_killer> hey
[08:51] <xp_killer> >_<
[08:51] <ubuntu_> hiho ger IRC?
[08:51] <xp_killer> O_O
[08:52] <ubuntu_> sry i'm just installing IRC and i'm trying to connect to my normal IRC channel
[08:52] <ubuntu_> but i'm a Kubuntu noob
[08:52] <ubuntu_> *Kubuntu
[08:53] <xp_killer> ubuntu_: to know about all ch
[08:53] <xp_killer> !list
[08:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:53] <ubuntu_> cool thx:D
[08:53] <xp_killer> no
[08:54] <xp_killer> * /  list
[08:54] <xp_killer> to see all lol
[08:56] <Soden_240> Hey everyone
[08:56] <titanix88> silentdis:solved?
[08:57] <drewcipher> !grub >drewcipher
[08:57] <deviance> !php
[08:57] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[08:57] <judgen> BluesKaj: haha the kubuntu-desktop metapackage contained no data..
[08:58] <Soden_240> quick question
[08:58] <judgen> BluesKaj: and now i have removed all unwanted apps.
[08:58] <Soden_240> can't run adept, says another process is using the database. any ideas?
[08:59] <judgen> Soden_240: do you have synaptic, another adept, aptitude, or an terminal apt-get session in progress?
[08:59] <ahora> hola!
[08:59] <SilentDis> titanix88: i'm still trying to figure it out.  wmdial says no modem present, i'm searching for drivers for my phone, i dunno what to do at this point :P
[09:00] <titanix88> i guess u mean wvdial?
[09:00] <SilentDis> titanix88: yes, wvdial, my mistake on that one
[09:00] <Soden_240> judgen: no i've nothing else running that I know of.
[09:01] <titanix88> u configured it with wvdialconf?
[09:01] <SilentDis> titanix88: just tried, no modem detected
[09:01] <Soden_240> i'll figure it out myself. no need spamming with my noob questions
[09:03] <BigMac> Anyone know how to block someone in kopete?
[09:03] <EightiesK> no sorry
[09:03] <EightiesK> !beryl
[09:03] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:03] <SilentDis> titanix88: the problem, from what i can tell, is that linux is not assigning a port to it.
[09:03] <titanix88> silentdis:what is ur phone model?
[09:04] <SilentDis> titanix88: Motorazr v3a
[09:04] <ahora> KDE4, the best, is coming!!!
[09:05] <Dhraakellian> BigMac: ask in #kopete
[09:05] <BigMac> Dhraakellian: Nobody answers in kopete, and since kopete is bundled with kubuntu I would assume some people here use it and could lend a hand
[09:06] <Dhraakellian> #kde then, perhaps?
[09:06] <ahora> I love KDE 4
[09:06] <Dhraakellian> if you get no answer in here for a while
[09:06] <yurimxpxman> I can't get the red dot in the P in this image to become transparent: http://yurimxpxman.dyndns.org/mx.svg any ideas how to do that?
[09:07] <BigMac> Dhraakellian: This is *k*ubuntu, as in ubuntu sing KDE
[09:07] <Dhraakellian> yeah, but if you don't get an answer in here or #kopete
[09:07] <titanix88> it is maybe called block device. if lsusb detects it then it is surely assigned a block device(/dev/...)
[09:07] <BigMac> which is what I have, so this would be the most logical choice
[09:07] <Dhraakellian> #kde is probably higher-traffic than #kopete, iirc
[09:07] <helpplz> hi
[09:08] <BigMac> Dhraakellian: I have asked in kde and kopete though, but no repsonse on my question ever
[09:08] <helpplz> how do I reinstall a package?
[09:08] <helpplz> I wanna uninstall it and reinstall it
[09:08] <helpplz> something is wrong with it
[09:08] <Dhraakellian> BigMac: actually, just checked
[09:08] <Dhraakellian> in the contact list
[09:08] <ScorpKing> SilentDis: if you run sudo wvdialconf it will detect it and put all the settings in /etc/wvdail.conf. all you have to do is make sure it's correct. it works for my motorola v360v.
[09:08] <Dhraakellian> right-click, go to the offending subcontact
[09:08] <BigMac> Dhraakellian: Ok
[09:08] <BigMac> ok
[09:09] <BigMac> invisible to doesn't work
[09:09] <Dhraakellian> it might depend on the protocol though
[09:09] <BigMac> AIM
[09:09] <SilentDis> ScorpKing: tried that, still not getting it :(
[09:09] <SilentDis> ScorpKing: it doesn't appear to even assign a port to the modem
[09:10] <ScorpKing> SilentDis: dmesg | tail when you plug it in? should say something.
[09:10] <titanix88> silentdis it is not port,block device
[09:10] <SilentDis> ScorpKing, titanix88: let me tail dmesg and show you...
[09:11] <Dhraakellian> BigMac: it looks like you can block with MSN, ignore with ICQ, remove authorization with Jabber, and perhaps make yourself always invisible to the contact with other protocols
[09:11] <Dhraakellian> that's what I gleaned just from looking at the context menus
[09:11] <Dhraakellian> haven't actually tried any of those
[09:11] <BigMac>  <Zeromus> don't ask why, but I have them :)
[09:11] <BigMac> wrong paste
[09:11] <BigMac> [15:08]  <BigMac> invisible to doesn't work
[09:12] <Dhraakellian> BigMac: yeah, as I said, I didn't test any of those options
[09:12] <SilentDis> ScorpKing, titanix88: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36725/
[09:12] <Eighties1> !upgrade
[09:12] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[09:12] <Dhraakellian> BigMac: you could always try sending them to a shock-site in the hopes that it'll burn out their eyes and cause them to never contact you again
[09:12] <Dhraakellian> but that's rather mean
[09:12] <SilentDis> ScorpKing, titanix88: as you can see, it's detecting the device, but it's not giving it a port
[09:12] <Eighties1> !beryl
[09:13] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:13] <BigMac> Can't it is my little brother
[09:13] <Dhraakellian> *snrk*
[09:13] <BigMac> there is just stuff that goes in my away message that is not business of his
[09:13] <Dhraakellian> ah
[09:13] <ScorpKing> SilentDis: is that all? after a few seconds there should be more.
[09:14] <SilentDis> ScorpKing: that's it.  you can see i've plugged/unplugged it a couple times, each time waiting a while
[09:15] <ScorpKing> SilentDis: mmm. it's not supposed to do it like that. is the phone on usb or data connection? you have to set it on the phone itself.
[09:15] <_titanix88> back...
[09:16] <SilentDis> ScorpKing: hmm... possible... let me poke on it for a sec, i might've just missed the setting, entirely possible, brand new phone afterall lol
[09:16] <_titanix88> silentdis: u get ur phone as storage right?
[09:16] <ScorpKing> SilentDis: if that's the case it will be as a usb drive /dev/sda :)
[09:19] <christoffernors> #kaffeine
[09:19] <SilentDis> _titanix88: no, can't use it as storage even.
[09:20] <SilentDis> ScorpKing: ok, i think you're right on this one, data connection is an option in security, but they've got a password on it, looking through the manual now for the default...
[09:21] <ScorpKing> SilentDis: there is 2 options. Memory Card and Data/Fax Connection. set it to the second one.
[09:23] <SilentDis> ScorpKing: ok, the data settings appear to be related to the actual type of the connection, found restrictions, everything is unlocked as well
[09:24] <ScorpKing> SilentDis: so no change on the phone?
[09:24] <SilentDis> ScorpKing: no change
[09:24] <Sergemine> Hi guys! I just got a HP M1005 MFD Priner/Copier/Scanner and am trying to install it in ubuntu. Has anyone aver been able to use it with Ubuntu? I Google for a solution and found a referance to a driver called foo2xqx , that was designed for the printer, but I don't find a deb for it. Some one please help!
[09:25] <ScorpKing> SilentDis: then i don't know. happy googling. :)
[09:25] <Eighties1> why can't i update anything it keeps asking me for cds
[09:26] <ScorpKing> Eighties1: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:26] <Eighties1> what do i edit it too?
[09:27] <elzbal> Sergemine: I'm not sure if it has your printer specifically, but you can look at the "hpijs" package. That should contain all HP printers.
[09:27] <_titanix88> good night(gmt+6)all!
[09:28] <ScorpKing> Eighties1: edit as root. use sudo. comment out the line with the cd-rom in it and uncomment the others that you need.
[09:28] <ScorpKing> Eighties1: after that run sudo apt-get update
[09:28] <Eighties1> how do i sudo open it
[09:29] <Eighties1> sudo kate  /etc/apt/sources.list?
[09:29] <ScorpKing> Eighties1: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:30] <elzbal> Sergemine: Update: The "hplip" package should have support for yout printer. It's supported by HP themselves. (the aforementioned hpijs is part of hplip).  See also: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/
[09:30] <Eighties1> it errored.
[09:30] <christoffernors> any kaffeine geeks in here?
[09:31] <xp_killer> hes back
[09:31] <EightiesK> ScorpKing: it can't connect to x server.
[09:32] <ScorpKing> EightiesK: do you know how to use vi?
[09:32] <Sergemine> elzbal, Thank you dear friend for answering. I went to this website http://foo2xqx.rkkda.com/ which clames to have the rignt driver for my printer and it has this sign on it: *** DON'T USE the foo2zjs package from Ubuntu, SUSE, Mandrake/Manrivia, Debian, RedHat, or Gentoo!
[09:32] <Sergemine>  *** Download it here and follow the directions below.
[09:32] <EightiesK> vi?
[09:33] <ScorpKing> cli text editor
[09:34] <ScorpKing> EightiesK: http://www.washington.edu/computing/unix/vi.html and http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html
[09:34] <xp_killer> ScorpKing: to conect linux to xp i have to install samba right?
[09:35] <deviance> xp_killer: It should come with Kubuntu
[09:35] <ScorpKing> xp_killer: from xp to linux, yes
[09:35] <deviance> !samba
[09:35] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:36] <deviance> That was for me by the way :P
[09:36] <jbesiee> any idea when the kde4 beta2 packages will be feisty available ?
[09:36] <ScorpKing> xp_killer: in konqueror : smb://ip.of.xpmachine/
[09:36] <christoffernors>  I've installed Kaffeine on my ubuntu gnome.. The subtitles is found when loading movie from the file menu within kaffeine, but not if i double click the movie in it directory and has it configured to open with kaffeine.. Why? :\
[09:36] <xp_killer> samba install allready but i dont see it just a folder in sys set* name shared is it that?
[09:37] <alejandro_> i cant join in the nessusd scanner
[09:37] <EightiesK> brb ganna try robooting
[09:37] <ScorpKing> xp_killer: are you trying to connect from xp to linux or linux to xp?
[09:37] <alejandro_> i started nessusd with sudo
[09:37] <elzbal> Sergemine: If you can get those to work, then go for it!   Digging in deeper, it looks like the hplip team might still be working on support for that printer.
[09:37] <alejandro_> no
[09:38] <alejandro_> i m triyin to conect on localhost
[09:38] <xp_killer> ScorpKing: linux to xp
[09:38] <yurimxpxman> do any of you know why kdesktop would be changing the width of my svg images?
[09:38] <ScorpKing> xp_killer: in konqueror type : smb://ip.of.xpmachine/ . no need for samba.
[09:38] <xp_killer> ScorpKing: oh i see the problem samba was not install good it had crash
[09:39] <christoffernors> !kaffeine
[09:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kaffeine - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:39] <xp_killer> ScorpKing: oh no need for samba?
[09:39] <ScorpKing> xp_killer: :) and make sure something is shared in xp.
[09:39] <xp_killer> ScorpKing: ok
[09:39] <judgen> !w32codecs
[09:39] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[09:41] <ScorpKing> xp_killer: the only package you need is samba-common. not samba.
[09:41] <EightiesK> !beryl
[09:41] <ch40s> is there a good virtual machine program for kubuntu?
[09:41] <EightiesK> ScorpKing: i'm back
[09:41] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:41] <Dhraakellian> I'm guessing you guys are probably tired of answering (or ignoring ;) ) this question, but is there an eta available for the KDE4 beta2 builds?
[09:42] <ScorpKing> EightiesK: and?
[09:42] <scienceboy> how can i configure vba settings?
[09:42] <EightiesK> EightiesK: lol just saying
[09:42] <ScorpKing> EightiesK: o ok. did you manage to sort it out?
[09:43] <EightiesK> i restarted xserver ganna give it another try
[09:43] <ScorpKing> :)
[09:43] <EightiesK> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list?
[09:44] <jbesiee> Dhraakellian: youre not the only one to ask :D eta seems to be ASAP, at it was yesterday already ...
[09:44] <ScorpKing> EightiesK: i'm confused. not sure i'm talking to the right guy. lol
[09:44] <fsh> hi how to make firefox lanch ed2k ?
[09:44] <Dhraakellian> iirc, KDE3 took me about 10-12 hours to compile on my 2.4GHz p4, back when I was on Gentoo
[09:45] <Dhraakellian> 768MB RAM plus swap
[09:45] <jbesiee> yep, same here for kde3 :D this way you enkoy kubuntu even more
[09:45] <kowal> Hi all
[09:45] <fsh> hi how to make firefox lanch ed2k ?
[09:46] <Dhraakellian> and, as I said earlier, at least the "still compiling" complaint with Kubuntu doesn't mean that my own system is bogged down by the compiler
[09:46] <elzbal> Earlier, stdin gave me this URL for kde4 progress:   https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/3.93.0-0ubuntu2~feisty3
[09:46] <ch40s> is there a good virtual machine program for kubuntu?
[09:46] <kowal> I need a help  Instal ET Game :D
[09:47] <EightiesK> ScorpKing: still can't connect
[09:47] <Dhraakellian> "feisty i386  Successfully built"
[09:47] <fsh> hi how to make firefox lanch ed2k file  ?
[09:48] <elzbal> feisty ia64  Needs building  :(
[09:48] <Dhraakellian> and aptitude sees it
[09:48] <Dhraakellian> p   kdebase-workspace                               - core workspace applications for KDE 4 testing
[09:48] <elzbal> Well, try it out, and let us know if your nose bleeds from the experience.  :)
[09:48] <ScorpKing> EightiesK: i was actually talking to Eighties1 earlier and didn't realise he left. what's wrong with x?
[09:49] <Dhraakellian> could that url go in the topic (behind a tinyurl, perhaps?)
[09:49] <elzbal> You'd have to ask stdin... I'm just a lurker here.  :)
[09:50] <deviance> What packages do I need to install to be able to 'make' and './configure' ?
[09:50] <Dhraakellian> !compile
[09:50] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:51] <ScorpKing> deviance:  build-essential
[09:51] <ScorpKing> fsh: any luck with your modem?
[09:51] <fsh> lol no
[09:51] <deviance> ScorpKing: It couldnt find a package called that
[09:52] <fsh> but i want to make firefox lanuch ed2k
[09:52] <deviance> Ah no worries I had an s on the end
[09:52] <jbesiee> Well, beta2 seems available
[09:52] <ScorpKing> deviance: i installed it last night. sudo aptitude install build-essential
[09:53] <deviance> Yeah I put an s on the end by mistake :P
[09:53] <deviance> Thanks
[09:53] <EightiesK> ScorpKing: I'm eighties1
[09:53] <ScorpKing> fsh: in /lib/firmware/ there should be a file called SW_7xx_SER.cis . replace it with the one for your modem and it should work.
[09:54] <deviance> ScorpKing:  I'm now getting checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[09:54] <ScorpKing> EightiesK: lol. you wanted to edit sources.list for the repo's right?
[09:55] <fsh> ok,
[09:55] <ScorpKing> deviance: you also need libx-dev i think. not sure what the name is.
[09:55] <EightiesK> i wanted to install beryl but i needed a cd i fixed that but then it wouldn't connect to xserver to update the driver.
[09:56] <fsh> hi how to make firefox lanch ed2k file  ?
[09:57] <ScorpKing> EightiesK: so sources.list is sorted then? not sure what to do with your x problem. lol
[09:58] <EightiesK> ScorpKing:  IC
[09:58] <EightiesK> ScorpKing: think if i updated to feisty it'd fix the problem?
[09:59] <ScorpKing> EightiesK: not sure.
[09:59] <kerberos> Hola
[09:59] <deviance> ScorpKing: COuld it be Libx11-dev?
[09:59] <kerberos> como estan todos ?
[09:59] <kerberos> quisiera saber como . . . mmm . . .
[09:59] <ScorpKing> deviance: yes
[09:59] <kerberos> algo  . . .  para espaol .
[09:59] <kerberos> si es posible obvio .
[10:00] <kerberos> si no no . . .  no hay problema
[10:00] <ScorpKing> !es
[10:00] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:00] <kerberos> pero . . . me vustaroa
[10:00] <deviance> Oh thats installing a few packages :|
[10:01] <deviance> ScorpKing: Thats not it
[10:01] <ScorpKing> deviance: let me search...
[10:01] <kkathman> ok i'm getting conflicting information from my system on the driver its using - my xorg.conf file shows "nvidia" but when I go to system settings and look at the monitor - it shows nv  ???
[10:02] <deviance> Ok, thanks :D
[10:02] <celor> Any spanish plays "NeverwinterNigth"?
[10:02] <deviance> kkathman: Have you tried a xserver restart
[10:03] <kkathman> well I didnt "just" recently change this - I rebooted just this monring
[10:03] <lupul> hi there. does anyone know how can i configure grub boot loader in order to remove the linux hard drive so that i can boot into windows without grub?
[10:03] <deviance> Ah ok
[10:05] <fsh> hi how to make firefox lanch ed2k file  ?
[10:07] <ScorpKing> deviance: the only other package i see for that is xorg-dev. you're getting that error because the X development packages is missing.
[10:08] <deviance> Hmm, I asked a firend and he says my  $PATH wasnt split up properly
[10:09] <ScorpKing> deviance: what are you compiling? :)
[10:09] <shadowhywind> hay all have a problem. I have xorg setup for a logitech mx1000 mouse. But at the current moment i have another logitech mouse that i want to use, and it wont do anything
[10:09] <deviance> Kima
[10:09] <ScorpKing> deviance: don't know it. off to google... :-D
[10:10] <deviance> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/CPU-Info-8561.shtml
[10:10] <deviance> There are two, its the second one down
[10:12] <ScorpKing> deviance: nice :)
[10:12] <deviance> If it compiled it would be
[10:12] <deviance> I could do with a deb for it
[10:13] <fsh> hi how to make firefox lanch ed2k file  ?
[10:15] <ScorpKing> deviance: http://www.elliptique.net/~ken/kima/ubuntu/
[10:15] <trekdanne> aren't you supposed to use a ed2k client with ed2k-files?
[10:16] <deviance> Just foudn that :P
[10:16] <deviance> Thanks :D
[10:16] <ScorpKing> fsh: http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=how+to+make+firefox+launch+ed2k+file&spell=1
[10:17] <fsh> i don`t understand what them say :s
[10:18] <ScorpKing> fsh: what lanuage do you speak?
[10:18] <deviance> What would be the MS font pack again?
[10:18] <fsh> arabic lol
[10:18] <Remo_A> when comes kde4 for kubuntu?
[10:19] <ScorpKing> fsh: wow. ok. can't you install translating software? it will help a lot.
[10:19] <deviance> ScorpKing: My THRM is 37 C is that a bit high
[10:19] <fsh> wait
[10:19] <ScorpKing> deviance: thats good
[10:19] <deviance> Whats THRM?
[10:20] <ScorpKing> deviance: no idea but anything 37C is a lot better than 90 C. try google. :)
[10:20] <deviance> :P
[10:20] <deviance> Is that yours :O
[10:20] <ScorpKing> deviance: not anymore. lol
[10:21] <deviance> Whats it now?
[10:21] <kkathman> ope
[10:21] <kkathman> woops
[10:21] <ScorpKing> deviance: can't see. just installed my laptop. swapped it for my box.
[10:21] <kkathman> THRM = temperature
[10:22] <ScorpKing> of what?
[10:22] <kkathman> CPU allegedly :)
[10:22] <deviance> Ah ok
[10:22] <kkathman> if you have sensors
[10:22] <deviance> CPU?
[10:22] <ScorpKing> i see. :)
[10:22] <deviance> 37 Is very high for CPU
[10:22] <PolitikerALT> 37 is not very high I think
[10:22] <EightiesK> ScorpKing: whats the comand in kde for    gksu gedit ??
[10:23] <PolitikerALT> I've got 50-60 all the time
[10:23] <zipper> !divx
[10:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:23] <ScorpKing> deviance: most computers i work on is 35 - 65 C
[10:23] <ScorpKing> EightiesK: kdesu
[10:23] <zipper> Anyone ever managed to actually get Divx Player working? (http://stage6.divx.com for example). Now i can press the play button, but nothing ever happends
[10:23] <Remo_A> did they realize some of the mockups you see on kde-look.org in kde4?
[10:24] <BigMac> Does anyone use kmail?
[10:24] <Remo_A> yes
[10:24] <BigMac> And it works?
[10:24] <ScorpKing> BigMac: used to. what's wrong? not fetching mail?
[10:25] <Remo_A> sure
[10:25] <BigMac> Nope
[10:25] <BigMac> The mail is in my gmail box
[10:25] <ScorpKing> lol. gmail?
[10:25] <ScorpKing> haha
[10:25] <BigMac> but it won't go into my email box
[10:25] <BigMac> gmail is the best mail service out there ...?
[10:25] <Remo_A> lol
[10:26] <BigMac> Know of a better one?
[10:26] <ScorpKing> so it's stuck on gmail.com? yes it's the best.
[10:26] <BigMac> Yes
[10:26] <BigMac> the email is there in gmail
[10:26] <BigMac> but won't come intro my kmail box
[10:26] <yamal> zipper: works fine... including the stuff on that website
[10:26] <BigMac> everything seems setup right
[10:26] <ScorpKing> BigMac: a few of us have that problem. no fixes yet. :(
[10:27] <BigMac> ScorpKing: Wow
[10:27] <ScorpKing> ya
[10:27] <BigMac> Kde is very problematic
[10:27] <ScorpKing> not always. :)
[10:27] <judgen> KDE is amazing
[10:27] <BigMac> If it didn't look so much better I would be back in gnome in a heart beat
[10:27] <BigMac> I beg to differ
[10:27] <Remo_A> how f** up is an architecture where you change one thing and something else gets broken?
[10:27] <ScorpKing> BigMac: use thunderbird.
[10:27] <BigMac> spell check doesn't work in kopete
[10:27] <BigMac> dcc to aim buddies doesn't work
[10:28] <BigMac> spell check isn't working in konversation
[10:28] <ScorpKing> lol
[10:28] <Authority1980> is there a quick and easy way to resize images in Kubuntu?  no CLI and no GIMP
[10:28] <BigMac> and now mail refuses to wrk
[10:28] <BigMac> work
[10:28] <judgen> oh yeah. Im listening to krishna das... now thats good music
[10:29] <ScorpKing> judgen: you should try koos kombuis. lol :D
[10:30] <drewcipher> BigMac:  over the few days a there have been a few posts with problems kmail and gmail.  For some it works fine, one guy couldn't send though he could hit the port and had the correct settings.
[10:31] <ScorpKing> for myself it's other mail servers as well.
[10:32] <judgen> whoever invented mustard liquor was a damn genious thats fer sure
[10:32] <BigMac> drewcipher: It just doesn't make sense to me, it is supposed to be a great app
[10:32] <BigMac> And I was looking forward to migrating my reader/gmail/gcal to a desktop version
[10:32] <ttrocal> Does anyone know the status of KDE 4 beta 2 in Feisty backports?
[10:32] <BigMac> But no gmail is a deal breaker
[10:33] <zipper> yamal, you know exactly what packages you needed to install in order to make it work?
[10:33] <EightiesK> !res
[10:33] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:33] <zipper> yamal, dont want to use automatix
[10:34] <judgen> BigMac:  you can use gnome apps in kde too you know
[10:35] <rothchild> does anyone have usb hard drives working properly under either feisty or gutsy (particularly automounting?)
[10:35] <BigMac> judgen: Yes, but I prefer to use the packages that are built for my DE
[10:36] <judgen> BigMac:  why?
[10:36] <EightiesK> !nivida
[10:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nivida - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:36] <judgen> !nvidia
[10:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:36] <EightiesK> !nvida
[10:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvida - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:37] <BigMac> judgen: No reason to download libs for the wrong DE, and the ui will not match
[10:37] <judgen> EightiesK:  sometimes typos can be troublesome
[10:38] <judgen> BigMac:  you can theme the ui to look the same.. and the libs take very little hdd space and the performance penalty is next to nonw
[10:38] <judgen> none
[10:38] <yamal> zipper: you may need some stuff (w32codecs etc.) from 3rd party repositories.
[10:39] <yamal> !medibuntu
[10:39] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[10:39] <BigMac> judgen: Little is still some, and skinning the ui is even more space consuming
[10:39] <yamal> !seveas
[10:39] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:39] <yamal> zipper ^^
[10:39] <zipper> ok
[10:39] <zipper> thx
[10:39] <judgen> BigMac:  small amount of hdd space in your comp?
[10:40] <mcquaid> it seems most of the packages are there for kde4 b2, anyone try it?
[10:40] <BigMac> judgen: Available yes
[10:40] <judgen> ok
[10:40] <judgen> BigMac:  so you prefer to use gnome then?
[10:41] <elzbal> mcquaid: still waiting on 64-bit to build.  :)
[10:41] <zipper> already have that repository
[10:41] <elzbal> But has anyone tried the 32-bit version yet?
[10:41] <BigMac> judgen: No I like kde more as a whole, even with all of these flaws
[10:41] <judgen> BigMac:  xfce is smaller than gnome and kde. and uses gtk as well.
[10:41] <BigMac> gnome seems to outdated
[10:41] <mcquaid> i tried to launch it, but it was basically non functional
[10:41] <BigMac> Not an xfce fan
[10:41] <judgen> ok
[10:41] <BigMac> too
[10:42] <judgen> ice then?
[10:42] <mcquaid> i'm wondering if i'm missing some packages, b1 had more functionality
[10:42] <judgen> or wmaker
[10:43] <judgen> BigMac:  i myself was a fluxbox user for a long time.
[10:44] <BigMac> judgen: FLux is ok, but too minimalistic
[10:44] <BigMac> I prefer it for vms
[10:44] <judgen> i read a survey recently that gnome has surpassed kde in amount of users..
[10:45] <mcquaid> anyone else try b2?  it barely launched for me
[10:45] <jhutchins> judgen: Just goes to show you that the majority of people are idiots.
[10:45] <BigMac> judgen: Because most distros install gnome by default
[10:45] <judgen> must because most commercial distros has gnome as a default.
[10:45] <BigMac> cough ubuntu cough
[10:45] <drewcipher> !b2 > drewcipher
[10:45] <jhutchins> Fedora
[10:45] <judgen> BigMac:  fedora cough
[10:45] <judgen> suse
[10:46] <EightiesK> how do I know what kernel i need?
[10:46] <judgen> EightiesK:  probably generic
[10:47] <EightiesK> i'm trying to install My nvidia driver.
[10:47] <KDEfanboy> how much disk space does the smallest kubuntu installation of a cd need?
[10:47] <ALX82> #kubuntu-es
[10:48] <judgen> KDEfanboy:  base ~120mb+kdecore~33mb and xserver+xfonts ~25mb
[10:48] <KDEfanboy> thanks judgen
[10:50] <KDEfanboy> i want to install to a usb thumbdrive and boot it..hope that can work. i tried the usb persistent boot method but had too many problems
[10:51] <judgen> KDEfanboy:  i saw a tutorial on that somewhere let me c if i can find it
[10:51] <Flatfende1> I'm having trouble getting Beryl to work on Kubuntu. I have it installed, and I've enabled it. I think My ATI drivers are out of date. Other GL video stuff works, but the "cube" doesn't seem to work. What is the current ATI driver, and what do I need to do to check if I have the correct one?
[10:51] <judgen> Flatfende1: xgl or aiglx?
[10:51] <Flatfende1> XGL
[10:52] <judgen> does glxgears work Flatfende1
[10:52] <Flatfende1> Yes, and I am running about 10k fps
[10:53] <mcquaid> i checked the ubuntu forums.  others are having the same problem as me in b2, with basically a non functional panel and two plasmoids that have died
[10:53] <judgen> do you get any effects working when you run xgl?
[10:54] <KDEfanboy> oh good..i'm hoping it's not much more than setting the thumb drive as the installation target. i've gotten it to boot ok so no problem there
[10:54] <Flatfende1> I don't notice any differences. I'm not sure I'm running in XGL I think that may be an issue
[10:54] <judgen> KDEfanboy:  i think that is about it.
[10:56] <judgen> KDEfanboy:  http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php?title=Ubuntu_USB_Install
[10:57] <judgen> KDEfanboy:  and here is a lengthy easy way http://pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/25/usb-x-ubuntu-610
[10:57] <KDEfanboy> ah thanks
[10:58] <judgen> Flatfende1: is XGL listed in the KDM sessions picker?
[10:59] <Flatfende1> Its not, it is however listed in Gnome, but it doesn't work in Gnome either.
[10:59] <judgen> add a xsession into the appropriate folder so you can pick xgl at kdm
[11:00] <judgen> Flatfende1: Feisy fawn?
[11:00] <Flatfende1> Yes, Feisty Fawn
[11:01] <judgen> i dont believe its an driver issue
[11:02] <judgen> rather just some configs that arent set up correctly for Xgl
[11:02] <Flatfende1> What what configs should I look at, I'm reasonably new to Linux
[11:04] <judgen> Flatfende1: did you follow this tutorial to get it working? http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-Compiz-Fusion-on-Ubuntu-58113.shtml
[11:04] <jbesiee> same here
[11:04] <judgen> its neat and fast
[11:05] <navets> compiz is really annoying to set up
[11:05] <navets> sometimes the plugins dont plugin lol
[11:05] <Flatfende1> Not that one exactly, but one very similar that was set for Beryl
[11:05] <navets> I like beryl, its just to buggy
[11:06] <judgen> navets: compiz-fusion is beryl and compiz together
[11:06] <judgen> beryl is a fork, and now that beryl has returned to compiz its called compiz fusion
[11:07] <Flatfende1> I'll go through that exactly, hopefully itll fix my issue
[11:07] <winbond> whats the difference between vmware player and server and which on is better to use for guest os
[11:08] <drewcipher> winbond:  vmware player can only play images.  vmserver allows you to set up your own as well as remotely manage
[11:08] <xp_killer> #kotepe
[11:09] <navets> judgen: i know, but i have both
[11:09] <navets> I have beryl and compiz fusion
[11:09] <stepz> using gutsy it was really easy to get compiz working
[11:09] <xp_killer> do is have a room for help with kotepe,amsn,yahoo etc
[11:10] <stepz> turn on restricted driver from the system tray, reboot, from adept install compiz-kde and then run compiz --replace and done
[11:10] <Flatfende1> E: Couldn't find package compizconfig-settings-manager Is the error I get while apt-getting the software for KDE
[11:11] <winbond> drewcipher, thanks
[11:11] <judgen> it took me 22seconds to install and get compiz fusion working with that guide i urld to you
[11:12] <judgen> and with compiz fusion i dont have to get new decorators. I can use the kwin ones, as well as my hotkeys work. wich they didnt in beryl
[11:14] <rothchild> hi, does anyone have a usb hard drive working properly under either feisty or gutsy?
[11:15] <elzbal> My apologies if this has been beaten to death already... but has anyone tried the new kde4b2 packages for Feisty yet? Any thoughts?
[11:15] <Flatfende1> judgen, I'm following the guide exactly but when I get to the code for KDE users, it fails. Tells me It can't find compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:16] <winbond> someone told me that rar will extract 7z files, so i installed it , but it says archive not supported when i try to extract it, what can i do?
[11:16] <judgen> Flatfende1: start a terminal and type: sudo apt-get update
[11:16] <andreasdk> Good evening. Can someone please tell me what i need to install to hear radio from tv2radio.dk?
[11:16] <judgen> Flatfende1: do you get an error then?
[11:16] <stepz> rothchild: I have an USB mobile phone that pretends it a hardrive working under both gutsy and feisty
[11:17] <judgen> andreasdk:  is it a shoutcast server? if so you could use xmms.
[11:17] <Flatfende1> Judgen: Yeah, I've done it a few times and still get the same error.
[11:17] <winbond> andreasdk, or amarok?
[11:18] <andreasdk> judgen: Ehh... I dunno. It`s a really big radio station  here in Denmark that i used to listen to with Hoary but i cannot   get it to work with Konqueror in the new Gutsy
[11:18] <rothchild> stepz thanks but I'm talking about a real spining hard drive , my pen drive and phone still work fine but my 320 gig seagate usb drive is no go
[11:18] <stepz> maybe it needs a powered usb port?
[11:19] <rothchild> drive has it's own psu and works fine with dapper
[11:19] <judgen> andreasdk:  tried opening this in xmms? http://tv2.stream.swdc.dk:80/01/128.mp3
[11:20] <stepz> does linux detect it and identify it as an usb storage device?
[11:20] <rothchild> there is a bug filled in launchpad but I can't see that anything is happening about it
[11:20] <rothchild> hal does but nothing else happens
[11:21] <rothchild> the workaround was to do pmount-hal sdb1 but that has stopped working under gutsy now
[11:21] <stepz> ah ok, the partitions are found it just isn't automounted
[11:22] <stepz> because most of my linux knowledge comes from trying to get gentoo to work acceptably I have little knowledge of automounting
[11:22] <invite> does anyone knows if there is a plugin or a trick to read rss feeds on palm handhelds
[11:23] <invite> with akregator for exemple
[11:23] <invite> or kpilot
[11:23] <rothchild> yep I can see it with fdisk -l but I get no automagic
[11:23] <judgen> Flatfende1: could you post the content of your /etc/apt/sources.lst to a pastebin?
[11:24] <jbesiee> is there an easy (graphical) way to set the hdd spin down time ?
[11:24] <dwidmann> easy way, I'm sure, graphical, I doubt it
[11:25] <jbesiee> well i used to set hdparm -S 250 /dev/hdXX on /etc/conf.d/local.start on gentoo, but i don't know how to do that in kubuntu
[11:25] <Flatfende1> nano /etc/apt/sources.lst is blank.
[11:26] <dwidmann> jbesiee: same way
[11:26] <judgen> Flatfende1: oh it should be sources.list
[11:26] <dwidmann> or wait, ah, for the startup script, that would be different
[11:26] <dwidmann> I should really read whole lines before replying :P
[11:26] <dwidmann> add it to the /etc/init.d/hdparm file
[11:27] <jbesiee> dwidmann : exept that this file don't exit (local.start)
[11:27] <jbesiee> ok
[11:27] <Dhraakellian> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/3.93.0-0ubuntu2~feisty3 lists "successfully built" for all architectures, and kdebase-workspace seems to have all dependencies met on i386
[11:27] <elzbal> jbesiee: Local startup instructions can go in in /etc/rc.local
[11:27] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[11:28] <elzbal> (I'm currently a refugee from Gentoo as well, so I had to look that up. :)
[11:28] <Dhraakellian> Need to get 267MB of archives. After unpacking 687MB will be used.
[11:28] <Dhraakellian> ooh... plenty of room!
[11:28] <judgen> Flatfende1: BRB just got to try my new script.
[11:28] <wolfger> hail, fellow Gentoo refugee! :-)
[11:28] <elzbal> Heh. Still not convinced about Ubuntu... it's a bit like working in a foreign accent...  But it's working out for me so far.  :)
[11:29] <elzbal> Dhraakellian: "Need to get 270MB of archives. After unpacking 720MB will be used."   - that
[11:29] <elzbal> That
[11:29] <wolfger> I'm loving it.... *this* time. This is my 3rd trial of Ubuntu
[11:29] <elzbal> 's what I get for using 64-bit.  :)
[11:29] <Dhraakellian> hehheh
[11:30] <jbesiee> refugee is not the term ... :D i only wanted to test kde4 without compiling, but i was captured by kunbuntu :D
[11:30] <Flatfende1> Judgen http://pastebin.com/m361f24d2 I'll be here
[11:30] <wolfger> I'm not digging kde4 yet
[11:30] <Dhraakellian> hehheh
[11:30] <BluesKaj> elzbal, ubuntu is gnome, this is kde kountry, aka kubuntu :)
[11:30] <elzbal> Dhraakellian: Likewise. I used the -r flag, by the way, which may also account for the size difference.
[11:31] <jbesiee> well package are already installed but it's not really functionnal ATM (kde4)
[11:31] <wolfger> Okay, I'll be the heretic.... Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with KDE
[11:31] <wolfger> It's all Ubuntu.
[11:31] <elzbal> ^ I was going to say the same thing. :)
[11:31] <Dhraakellian> wolfger: there's a reason I'm installing it on the laptop, not my main desktop computer
[11:31] <Dhraakellian> elzbal: -r?
[11:31] <judgen> ok im back
[11:31] <jbesiee> wolfger : with kde and without gnome ^^
[11:31] <Dhraakellian> wolfger: with kubuntu-desktop and without ubuntu-desktop
[11:31] <wolfger> In fact, my Feisty partition (stable) *is* Ubuntu, and I just got sick of Gnome and installed Kubuntu-Desktop
[11:31] <BluesKaj> well, if you want specific ubuntu answers , join #ubuntu :)
[11:32] <Dhraakellian> ssh+screen is nifty for installing stuff
[11:32] <wolfger> Right now I'm on my Gutsy-testing partition, which is 64-bit and Kubuntu-native
[11:32] <judgen> hehe i get funny sounds when i use XGL every time i use a 3d function =)
[11:32] <judgen> hehe
[11:32] <Dhraakellian> even if you're not compiling things locally
[11:32] <elzbal> BluesKaj: Heh, I don't even have gnome installed, except for the random bits of libraries that have come with a few packages.
[11:33] <Dhraakellian> heh
[11:34] <Dhraakellian> I installed Kubuntu on the laptop with a Xubuntu alternate install CD
[11:34] <Dhraakellian> then removed xubuntu-desktop
[11:35] <dwidmann> I didn't even have to install Ubuntu, it came pre-installed (downside to this being is that I had to remove gnome by hand :()
[11:35] <Dhraakellian> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde is what I used
[11:35] <judgen> Flatfende1: did you post it into a pastebin?
[11:35] <elzbal> dwidmann: from Dell?
[11:35] <Flatfende1> Yeah, Sorry It moved up pretty quick  http://pastebin.com/m361f24d2
[11:36] <judgen> btw, anyone uses ChatZilla on a regular basis?
[11:36] <dwidmann> elzbal: indeed
[11:37] <dwidmann> Dhraakellian: I should have, but then I wouldn't have enjoyed removing it quite as much :P
[11:38] <Dhraakellian> I used the Xubuntu disc because I wanted LVM but didn't feel like downloading and burning yet another CD
[11:38] <Dhraakellian> and my dad had already gotten the xubuntu alternate CD
[11:38] <judgen> Dhraakellian: i always install kubuntu through the 8mb netboot install cd.
[11:40] <Dhraakellian> dwidmann: yeah, but the laptop doesn't boot from DVD, afaict
[11:41] <dwidmann> Dhraakellian: I think that's rectified in gutsy, which I run (I upgraded about a week ago, went smooth)
[11:41] <dwidmann> They're giving fixes for the ubuntu laptops rather high priority
[11:41] <Dhraakellian> dwidmann: which?
[11:41] <Flatfende1> Judgen, see anything wrong there?
[11:41] <dwidmann> Dhraakellian: all, AFAIK
[11:42] <dwidmann> The dellbuntu desktops as well.
[11:43] <Dhraakellian> dwidmann: which problem were you referring to being rectified?
[11:44] <judgen> Flatfende1: actually looks kinda like mine
[11:45] <dwidmann> There's a list of things that don't work ootb in feisty with the 1420n, not sure about the others, but most of them are already fixed, and those that I noticed have priority set to high in launchpad IIRC, at some point or another they broke sound (again)
[11:45] <dwidmann> So that's one example
[11:45] <Flatfende1> That should be a good thing if its running on yours. But I still can't figure out why it tells me that compiz settings manager doesn't exist
[11:45] <Dhraakellian> 2% [8 kdelibs5 3990053/95.7MB 4%]           3859B/s 18h38m16s
[11:46] <dwidmann> Dhraakellian: 3859b/s, awfully slow
[11:46] <Dhraakellian> up to 20KB/s now
[11:46] <Dhraakellian> 10-20
[11:46] <dwidmann> Mine drops to that when I get FAPd  T_T
[11:48] <dwidmann> Dhraakellian: I knocked out the first 120mb tonight, looks like I get to do some more in the morning, and more tomorrow evening, oh well, it should only take me a few days ..
[11:49] <judgen> Flatfende1: did you get the key to the repo?
[11:51] <Flatfende1> judgen: Not sure what key you are talking about.
[11:51] <judgen> Flatfende1: the part where you used the terminal to add the gpg file.
[11:51] <judgen> the wget line and the apt line after that
[11:52] <judgen> in six minutes i will have to go to bed if im to get some sleep
[11:52] <Flatfende1> Oh, yes I did that.
[11:52] <ScorpKing> hi ppl. anyone flashed WRT54GL with openwrt recently? the stupid thing stay the same. i think i'm flashing the backup image. not sure, my first time for openwrt.
[11:53] <judgen> Flatfende1: maybe the us. repo misses some files. Try change all the lines from us.ubuntu.com to se.ubuntu.com thats the servers i use.
[11:53] <judgen> Flatfende1: that might help you
[11:53] <judgen> and remember to do an apt-get update afterwards
[11:55] <Flatfende1> Where do I change those at?
[11:58] <ScorpKing> where can i get help on using irc channel commands? i fired google. :)
[12:00] <dwidmann> ScorpKing: how about the konversation help page?
[12:00] <zipper> Does anyone know of a way in the console to list only the newest file in the directory?
[12:00] <dwidmann> ie: help:/konversation in konqueror
[12:00] <ScorpKing> ok. will try that. thanks
[12:03] <Skeithy> I accidently installed Gutsy with the VESA driver, but when I try and change it to the nv/binary driver it causes problems
[12:03] <Skeithy> the binary driver causes the resolution to get locked at 640x480 and the nv drive just makes the screen look like white noise, is this a known problem?
[12:04] <dwidmann> zipper: ls -lh | sort -k 6 | tail -1
[12:04] <zipper> dwidmann, sort -k 6 = orders them by date?
[12:05] <dwidmann> zipper:  seeing as date is the sixth field, yes
[12:05] <zipper> ahh
[12:05] <zipper> thanks
[12:05] <dwidmann> zipper: no problem
[12:05] <dwidmann> Skeithy: Which card is it?
[12:05] <frankenpower> hi
[12:06] <Skeithy> Nvidia 6800 128mb
[12:06] <dwidmann> Skeithy: I've not heard of that problem, are you using nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new? If -new, try using the other instead (as it should be more stable anyway)\
[12:07] <Skeithy> ok I'll try that
[12:08] <ScorpKing> anyone here good with superkaramba scripts?
[12:09] <dwidmann> ScorpKing: I've played with them before/wrote a couple short ones, if you think that will be adequate
[12:10] <ScorpKing> dwidmann: i want to log and display the rx and tx traffic of ppp0 for one month at a time.
[12:11] <dwidmann> scorpking: I really wouldn't know where to start, I've never messed with network stats ...
[12:11] <dwidmann> Displaying them though should be relatively easy if you can get that far.
[12:12] <ScorpKing> i'll paste the one i have so far. gimme a sec.
[12:15] <hydrogen> !info virtualbox
[12:15] <ubotu> Package virtualbox does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:16] <ScorpKing> dwidmann: its a modified script from kde-apps - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36737/
[12:18] <dwidmann> Scorpking, a nice start, so, which part(s) of it aren't working atm?
[12:20] <dwidmann> Also, the logging part should be pretty easy.
[12:20] <ScorpKing> dwidmann: i want to save tx and rx to a file and add it to the previous transfers so i can get an idea of how much bandwith i have left. i only get 1GB/month.
[12:20] <dwidmann> ScorpKing: ouch
[12:20] <evri2> where should i download compiz-fusion?
[12:20] <yurimxpxman> how can I change the K menu icon?
[12:20] <evri2> Which repo do you suggest?
[12:21] <dwidmann> Well, lets see what we can do, I vote for seperating them into two seperate files (should be easier that way)
[12:21] <dwidmann> I'm going to mod the pastebin real quick to show you what I have in mind
[12:21] <ScorpKing> dwidmann: lol. u see my problem then. this must happen every few seconds.
[12:21] <ScorpKing> dwidmann: thanks
[12:22] <rgrolemund> afternoon :)
[12:22] <ScorpKing> morning.
[12:24] <Random832> touch pad scrolling stopped working
[12:24] <Random832> how do i fix it
[12:24] <ch40s> any here run Linux MCE?
[12:24] <dwidmann> scorp, indeed, I wonder if there's a way to get cron to run it every second hmmmm
[12:25] <Random832> oh - there's an "apply" button [still don't know how it stopped in the first place, but fixed now] 
[12:26] <ScorpKing> dwidmann: i'll get it sorted out somehow though. lol
[12:29] <ScorpKing> dwidmann: thanks for trying. bedtime for me. :)
[12:29] <ScorpKing> nite everyone...
[12:31] <dwidmann> hmmmm, I forgot to mention something to ScorpKing .....something I noticed, oh well, too late now
[12:36] <mcquaid> are plasmoids not part of the beta2?
[12:36] <mcquaid> i have missing spots on the panel for two plasmoids
[12:38] <Random832> what's a plasmoid?
[12:38] <runlevelten> It's like a swollen blood vessel you get in your bottom.
[12:38] <rgrolemund> o.O
[12:38] <runlevelten> they look like little grapes.
[12:38] <EightiesK> !boot
[12:38] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[12:39] <runlevelten> Random832: In all seriousness though, Plasmoids are a new KDE feature.
[12:39] <runlevelten> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4
[12:40] <runlevelten> The unpleasant health problem is something else, and I was beig facetious, sorry.
[12:41] <mcquaid> so I take it plasma is not in the beta?
[12:41] <rgrolemund> thats a "bloody" shame :P
[12:41] <rgrolemund> ok i got nothin
[12:42] <hydrogen> mcquaid: it is
[12:43] <hydrogen> just not a lot of the applets
[12:43] <hydrogen> because they are still in playground
[12:43] <MrLeft> hello :)
[12:43] <rgrolemund> yo left
[12:43] <MrLeft> how are you all tonight ?
[12:44] <rgrolemund> good u?
[12:44] <midnight> Hi, I recently installed Kubuntu 7.04 on my desktop with a D-Link wireless N adapter and I'd like to know how I can make the wireless work on it.
[12:44] <mathieu_> allo tlm
[12:44] <elpez> hello ... anybody know how to dual boot kubuntu and vista... with vista installed already...?
[12:44] <MrLeft> aye good, just trying out koversation client, pretty ok so far
[12:44] <rgrolemund> ya, 1st time i been on IRC in prob 8 years
[12:44] <BluesKaj> !wireless | midnight
[12:44] <ubotu> midnight: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:45] <MrLeft> yeah I used to live on irc rgrolemund :)
[12:45] <EightiesK> can someone help me I can't get into windows
[12:45] <rgrolemund> good thing?
[12:45] <rgrolemund> i formatted windows and went linux
[12:45] <MrLeft> been a while, but hey, nice n warn here on some networks away from the bigger crappier ones that we lived on back then LOL
[12:45] <rgrolemund> lol
[12:45] <rgrolemund> is dalnet still around?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> !grub | EightiesK
[12:45] <MrLeft> ive been Amiga for all them years, now linux (with amiga theme of course) :)
[12:45] <ubotu> EightiesK: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:46] <midnight> elpez: If Vista is taking up the whole HDD, resize the partition (Disk Management) then boot Kubuntu and use it's partitioning program to make something that works for you, then install.
[12:46] <MrLeft> dalnet and undernet are still around, but like the other big networks, its full of pretentious arseholes :(
[12:46] <rgrolemund> lol
[12:46] <elpez> midnight: that's it?
[12:46] <elpez> midnight: that simple?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> !languge | MrLeft
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languge - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <midnight> elpez: It's pretty easy. Kubuntu has a nice installer.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> !language | MrLeft
[12:47] <ubotu> MrLeft: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:47] <midnight> ubotu: thanks :)
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks :) - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:47] <MrLeft> see what I mean about that :)
[12:47] <MrLeft> sorry might ops
[12:47] <elpez> midnight: i'll try that thanx...
[12:47] <midnight> elpez: np, good luck :)
[12:47] <BluesKaj> yeah MrLeft , there are a few still around , but most ppl here are glad to help :)
[12:48] <MrLeft> rgrolemund: whois me and join the channel im in please
[12:49] <kkathman> Hey BluesKaj I have a unique thing going on - in my xorg.conf, it specifically is configued to use the "nvidia" driver, but when I go to system settings and monitor it states its using the "nv"  so what gives??
[12:52] <BluesKaj> kkathman, maybe changing the setting will make things worse , but if there's adriver the is specific to your graphics card modelwise etc , try it
[12:53] <_2> spam http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39423
[12:53] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  well when I initially installed ubuntu I used the envy installer to install the driver after downloading it
[12:53] <kkathman> so I assumed it was ok
[12:54] <BluesKaj> aha, was that edgy ?
[12:54] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  no no it was feisty
[12:55] <kkathman> AND the xorg.conf has the "nvidia" in there
[12:55] <kkathman> thats what is so odd about it
[12:56] <kkathman> but I dont recall getting th nVidia splash either
[12:56] <BluesKaj> ok check system settings and use configure to find your card
[12:58] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  yah it finds the card and then says the "standard" driver is installed
[12:58] <ubuntu_> How do I remap what the multimedia keys on my keyboard attach to?
[12:58] <intelikey> my kernel just core dumped and paniced.  "fatel exception in interrupt"
[12:58] <intelikey> anyone else ever seen that ?
[12:59] <midnight> What is the default root password on a fresh Kubuntu install?
[12:59] <ubuntu_> !root | midnight
[12:59] <ubotu> midnight: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[01:00] <ubuntu_> !multimedia
[01:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[01:00] <ubuntu_> Blast :)
[01:00] <intelikey> midnight also see !sudo  !kdesu
[01:00] <BluesKaj> kkathman, what apps are not working properly with your setup ?
[01:02] <intelikey> spam http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39424
[01:03] <midnight> When i try to use sudo, it asks me for a root password, that I don't know.
[01:03] <sammy> what would I have done from a fresh install to get wireless networks to show up in knetworkmanager? the last install, after booting the first time, knetworkmanager was filled with the wireless networks within range. this install, nothing.
[01:04] <BluesKaj> midnight, use the password you logged into kubuntu
[01:04] <sammy> nothing has changed in the laptop whatsoever, and wireless *is* working, it's connecting to 'default', but it's not giving me the list of other networks within range this time. no, we're not using ndiswrapper
[01:04] <mike> Greets, everyone...
[01:04] <intelikey> midnight it's not asking for the "root" password.   it's asking for "your" password
[01:04] <ubuntu_> midnight: It's your password not root's password
[01:04] <mike> I've got a laptop that doesn't have a Super/Win key. Does anyone know how I might re-map one of the Ctrl or Alt keys to act as one?
[01:04] <midnight> Thanks!
[01:05] <sammy> mike: youre looking for xmodmap. there's also another package you can install that gives you a graphical interface, search for xmodmap in adept
[01:05] <intelikey> midnight and i hope you do know "your" password...
[01:05] <ubuntu_> mike: use alt+f1 :)
[01:05] <ubuntu_> intelikey: does that work ?
[01:05] <ubuntu_> crap :)
[01:05] <mike> ubuntu_: I know what the shortcut is for the launch menu. That doesn't give me a third modifier key though (nearly essential for efficient Compiz use). ;-)
[01:06] <mike> sammy: Thanks a lot, will do.
[01:06] <ubuntu_> intelikey: You wrote it?
[01:06] <elcuco> anyone has tested the kde4 packages?
[01:06] <intelikey> mike kinda depends on what you want the key to do and which key you use.   i might sujest ctrl+f[5-8] 
[01:06] <elcuco> is it possible to have a full session? i dont see a startde script
[01:06] <intelikey> ubuntu_ wrote what ?
[01:07] <ubuntu_> elcuco: as I understand you log  out and then choose KDE4 from the login menu
[01:07] <midnight> There is very ambiguous information on how to get my wireless working on the Ubuntu Docs (with kubuntu of course). knetworkmanager only reports eth0, which is my wired PCI network adapter.
[01:07] <ubuntu_> intelikey: the script
[01:07] <intelikey> yeah
[01:07] <mike> intelikey: Umm... ?
[01:07] <ubuntu_> !wifi | midnight
[01:07] <ubotu> midnight: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:07] <sammy> well, I guess it's possible that there's something different between the minimal install cd and the default 7.04 cd
[01:07] <ubuntu_> intelikey: Not putting a done by line?
[01:08] <midnight> My bad. Sorry.
[01:08] <sammy> though I can't see why installing from the full cd would give me a different set of installed programs than installing from the minimal cd and installing the kubuntu desktop
[01:08] <ubuntu_> sammy: installing kubuntu-desktop should get rid of that difference
[01:08] <Random832> anyone know how to get the extra scroll button (up arrow at the bottom) in firefox?
[01:08] <sammy> ubuntu_: thank you, I thought so. we installed that during the initial boot.
[01:08] <Random832> it's visible but fake - and the userchrome that does the same thing has no effect
[01:09] <ubuntu_> Random832: recode it in Qt
[01:09] <sammy> I'm going to double check that wpa_supplicant and networkmanager were even installed. I thought networkmanager was a dependency for knetworkmanager
[01:09] <elcuco> ubuntu_: nope
[01:09] <intelikey> ubuntu_ sorry ?   what are you talking about ?     in the script ?       i'm finished with that, just offered it if anyone was interested.
[01:09] <ubuntu_> intelikey: right I'm asking if you want credit for it
[01:10] <intelikey> ubuntu_ no reason for that.  the gnu-gpl should protect it...
[01:10] <ubuntu_> intelikey: this isn't about legality this is pride :)
[01:10] <mike> sammy: Do you know offhand if an extra daemon or whathaveyou has to be running in the background for the changes I make to be effective?
[01:10] <intelikey> ubuntu_ as i said "no reason for that."
[01:11] <ubuntu_> anyone know how I remap my multimedia keys?
[01:11] <Random832> nm found a fix
[01:12] <sammy> mike: I don't think so, I think it makes changes to flatfiles.
[01:12] <mike> sammy: Just what I was hoping to hear. Thanks.
[01:12] <intelikey> ubuntu_ khotkeys maybe ?
[01:12] <sammy> mike: np
[01:15] <intelikey> ok. i finally got wakeonlan working.   now if i can sort out network printing...
[01:15] <sammy> okay, something is different from the install from the full 7.04 cd.
[01:15] <sammy> knetworkmanager worked out of the box on the first boot and showed the results of a wireless scan
[01:16] <sammy> this time it's stuck on 'manual configuration' and refuses to show the list. iwlist eth0 scan shows all the available networks, as expected.
[01:16] <intelikey> and you changed some settings and exited...  ?
[01:16] <sammy> intelikey: I reinstalled from scratch since the hdd needed to be replaced
[01:17] <intelikey> sammy was that the one that wouldn't boot ?
[01:17] <mike> sammy: I came in late. I take it you installed from the text-only CD?
[01:17] <sammy> intelikey: I think we're talking about two different things? or you have me confused with someone
[01:17] <intelikey> sammy B.)
[01:17] <sammy> mike: installed from the... 10mb image. the smaller image. I didn't want to have to make a new 750mb cd
[01:18] <sammy> yes, sorry it was text install, not graphical like the 7.04 install disc
[01:18] <will> Man, I just install kubuntu and it is really slow
[01:18] <will> what gives?
[01:18] <ubuntu_> intelikey: proverbial :)
[01:18] <mike> Erm... I'm unfamiliar with the 10MB image. The text-only disc I install from is still ~700MB.
[01:18] <sammy> will: you have to complain in the #kubuntu channel before we give you the secret password to make kubuntu run at it's normal speed. congratulations!
[01:18] <mike> lol
[01:18] <sammy> oh. I installed from a very tiny image. it downloaded all the required packages
[01:19] <mike> sammy: Where'd you get it from?
[01:19] <intelikey> yuch   sshfs depends on  fuse-utils libfuse2
[01:19] <ubuntu_> sammy: There is a web page on how to install from an ISO without burning a CD
[01:19] <ubuntu_> let me see if I can find it
[01:20] <sammy> mike: lemme see. I think the difference is that the graphical install ran knetworkmanager and wpa_supplicant and I was able to select my network and not my unsecured neighbors network, like the most recent install chose automagically
[01:20] <will> Is there a lighter weight version of Kubuntu that I can install? I find this is way to slow. Maybe it's time I try out redhat or something else?
[01:20] <intelikey> dpkg: error processing fuse-utils (--configure):
[01:20] <intelikey>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[01:20] <intelikey> figures.
[01:20] <mike> Does anyone know if it's possible to make NFS play nice with suspend/resume?
[01:20] <will> Something not so windows vista looking, faster , more stable ?
[01:21] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_,why not just do a net install ?
[01:22] <sammy> hehe, I'm pretty sure windows vista looks like kde, not the other way around :) try xubuntu or regular ubuntu. but you can't expect to come in here with that kind of attitude and for us to help you figure out why your computer isn't running kubuntu as fast as you'd like?
[01:22] <BluesKaj> intelikey, trying to get ntfs access?
[01:22] <will> Thats what I ment to say hehehe , vista is a turd , open source 4 life meng
[01:23] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: that still requires burning a new CD
[01:23] <BluesKaj> mike , most of that is cache
[01:23] <mike> BluesKaj: Actually no, it's not. I haven't closed any programs on this boot so far. ;-)
[01:23] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_, a dist-upgrade ?
[01:23] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: New Main harddrive
[01:24] <mike> will: What are your hardware specs?
[01:24] <will> Sorry sammy, just shouting thats all. I've been having major computer issues the past few months. I just bought a new one, and I have some really important work that I need done, but I keep getting failed HD's and I've reinstalled different os's about 5 times in the past 24 hour
[01:24] <will> mike, I got a 1.2 512, radion 256meg and an audiofile2496 soundcard
[01:25] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_,ok unnerstood
[01:25] <sammy> wow, I have no idea where this small iso image came from :( I downloaded it from a mirror. it was a text install, and it certainly wasn't 700mb
[01:26] <BluesKaj> mike try htop
[01:26] <mike> BluesKaj: Not installed.
[01:26] <mike> sammy: I'd start over. Doesn't sound very trustworthy to me.
[01:26] <BluesKaj> well...
[01:27] <mike> sammy: If you just want a fast install (I'm guessing that's why you didn't use the live CD), just use the alternate text-only disc from the official site.
[01:27] <sammy> alternate text-only disc? is it 700mb? maybe thats the one I got
[01:27] <sammy> maybe it was 100, not 10
[01:27] <mike> sammy: ~700MB
[01:28] <mike> will: There are plenty of tutorials online that have speed tweaks for K/X/Ubuntu. I've never used one though, haven't felt the need.
[01:28] <runlevelten> will: Stop reinstalling operating systems and fix your hardware/bios/dirty power issue then.
[01:28] <will> I just installed the updates, so hopefully that will helpo
[01:28] <mike> will: You can always install an alternate window manager like Fluxbox if you don't need a full desktop environment. That will free up some resources as well.
[01:29] <will> I forget how to use this though, whats the thing to download software packages again ? apt get?
[01:29] <sammy> wtf where did I find this iso! :(
[01:29] <will> How do I get fluxbox ?
[01:29] <runlevelten> !apt
[01:29] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[01:29] <ubuntu_> intelikey: Where is the config for khotkeys? or is it the config?
[01:30] <mike> will: sudo apt-get install fluxbox, or open Adept Manager. You might search for "window manager" in there as well.
[01:30] <lavacano201014> runlevelten: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[01:30] <lavacano201014> thats how i got gnome
[01:30] <lavacano201014> leave your machine alone for about half an hour (on a 768kbps download connection)
[01:31] <runlevelten> | sed -e s#runlevelten#will# -e s#gnome#fluxbox#
[01:31] <runlevelten> ;)
[01:31] <sammy> ah-ha! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[01:32] <mike> sammy: The text-only disc I'm referring to contains all the packages *on* the disc.
[01:32] <sammy> so it was ubuntu instead of kubuntu. but I installed the kubuntu-desktop package! it gave me that option!
[01:32] <runlevelten> kubuntu is ubuntu.
[01:32] <sammy> mike: I understand that, I know which image you're talking about, the alternate image that's available on all the mirrors. I found this image because it was enough to install.
[01:32] <will> couldnt find package fluxbox
[01:32] <intelikey> i hate that apt-get does the >/dev/null thing to the scripts  so you can't debug the stupid things.
[01:32] <runlevelten> the difference is which desktop environment you're using.
[01:33] <sammy> runlevelten: we're trying to figure out why when using the full kubuntu 7.04 desktop install, my non-ndiswrapper worked out of the box with knetworkmanger
[01:33] <mike> will: sudo apt-get update and try again.
[01:33] <lavacano201014> Kubuntu is basically Ubuntu with another desktop environment and a K
[01:33] <mike> will: and if it still doesn't work, something's wrong.
[01:33] <runlevelten> Ask Novell.
[01:33] <sammy> and while using the minimalcd, knetworkmanager isn't working on the first boot. I understand the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu.
[01:33] <mike> lavacano201014: And an entirely different set of applications. But yeah, aside from that, same thing. =)
[01:34] <lavacano201014> true
[01:34] <runlevelten> Or "Desktop Environment", as that different set of applications is sometimes called.
[01:34] <lavacano201014> Winner: Logic.
[01:35] <sammy> I'm tempted to download the full 750mb *again* and try that cd *again*, but I wonder why there are any differences to begin with
[01:35] <mike> Hmm... I never thought of "Desktop Environment" as referring to things like media players and web browsers. Guess I was wrong.
[01:35] <runlevelten> I guess so.
[01:35] <mike> lol No need to rub it in. :-P
[01:36] <sammy> so, any suggestions on why knetworkmanager is dead in the water?
[01:36] <sammy> cause, sorry, 'install from scratch' sounds like a m$ suggestion :)
[01:36] <mike> sammy: Umm... I hate to say this, but given what you installed from, you might as well be asking about a problem you had with Automatix. :-D
[01:36] <mneptok> sammy: did you manually edit /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:37] <runlevelten> What installation are you working from now?
[01:37] <sammy> mneptok: no way, I didn't have to last time, I didn't go anywhere near it.
[01:37] <sammy> 'minimalcd'
[01:37] <lavacano201014> sammy: was Chuck Norris around your computer recently? :-P
[01:37] <mneptok> what is a minimal CD? server?
[01:37] <mike> runlevelten: An iso whose origin he's unsure of. :-)
[01:38] <sammy> mike: hey! check your scrollback eh, I posted the link, straight from help.ubuntu.com
[01:38] <sammy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[01:38] <sammy> "The minimal CD is similar to the alternate installer CD, except that it downloads all of the packages to be installed just before they're installed, rather than inflating the CD image with them."
[01:38] <mike> sammy: My apologies. Last thing I saw in regards to it was "where did i get this iso?" :-)
[01:38] <sammy> it's the same installer, but it downloaded all the packages instead of copying them and then, on the first boot, installing all the updates. no worries.
[01:38] <spree> hi, ive been searching around for a while now and have not got my quesstion answered, i wonder is there any docklet program i kan install and use on kubuntu? (im a beginner)
[01:39] <mneptok> sammy: well, that's not the same installer, is it?
[01:39] <mneptok> ;)
[01:39] <lavacano201014> spree: just google KPanel applets
[01:39] <mneptok> "It does the exact same thing. It just does something totally different."
[01:39] <mike> sammy: It sounds like this lets you *choose* the packages you want to install. Am I misinterpreting something?
[01:39] <spree> thx lava ;)
[01:40] <lavacano201014> "If it runs on your desktop environment, it's close enough to the system requirements."
[01:40] <mneptok> spree: do you mean desktop widgets?
[01:40] <intelikey> crap it isn't even using dev/null   i removed it and did  :>/dev/null   file is still blank after running  dpkg -a --configure      where is the output of the stript going ?
[01:40] <sammy> no, I'm sure it's the same text based installer. it installed the core packages and then let me choose lamp, edubuntu, kubunutu etc
[01:40] <lavacano201014> --lavacano201014, 2007.09.07
[01:40] <spree> yes
[01:40] <spree> mneptok: yes
[01:40] <mneptok> spree: Superkaramba
[01:40] <mike> Right
[01:41] <sammy> and, mneptok: no need to be snarky, I already said I assume the difference is that the minimal cd somehow installs a different set of core packages than the live cd installer? which shouldn't be, imho. it's not advertised as installing a different set of packages, just that it gets them from the repositories rather than from the cd iso.
[01:41] <lavacano201014> i thought you meant KPanel applets
[01:41] <lavacano201014> my bad
[01:41] <lavacano201014> /kick #kubuntu lavacano201014 IDIOT!
[01:41] <spree> superkaramba looks great,
[01:41] <spree> thx guys
[01:42] <sammy> I'm just confused because I didn't have to do *anything* to get knetworkmanager to work on the last install, using the full install cd, and I have no clue where to begin getting it to work if it's not working out of the box. i'd hate to fiddle with things that shouldn't need to be fiddled with (like /etc/network/interfaces) and find out some package just didn't get installed. adept says everything is up to date. i could even try apt-get update
[01:42] <lavacano201014> how well does Superkaramba run on old machines?
[01:42] <mike> Come KDE 4, Kicker applets and SuperKaramba widgets will be the same thing. :-DDD
[01:42] <mneptok> sammy: but if it grabs new packages (say KNM) that depend on stuff newer than what's on the minimal CD, what happens? i'm just saying that the minimal CD is not an officially supported install methodology, AFAIK.
[01:43] <lavacano201014> well ill try myself
[01:43] <sammy> mneptok: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[01:43] <lavacano201014> apt-get, i am in need of your godly powers
[01:43] <mneptok> sammy: why not just try a live session with a full CD and see if it works?
[01:43] <sammy> that looks officially supported to me
[01:43] <ninhobomba> hello im installing a new kubuntu and when im making the partitions one of them is always useless. how do i make it usable? it was free just now...
[01:43] <sammy> and there arent packages on the iso, thats the point
[01:43] <mneptok> sammy: ubuntu.com is maintianed by the community.
[01:43] <spree> i kove thos adept manager, best thing happend to me since i got my first pc in 1995 haha
[01:43] <spree> kove = love
[01:43] <mneptok> sammy: there's a lot of stuff on that wiki that is not supported.
[01:44] <mike> sammy: If it lets you *choose* what you want to install, then there's a *very* good chance you left something out of your choices that the other installation methods include.
[01:44] <lavacano201014> ninhobomba: delete the useless partition, then make a new partition out of it
[01:44] <sammy> well I got my answer then
[01:44] <mike> spree: Have you used Synaptic?
[01:44] <lavacano201014> ninhobomba: i recommend ext3 unless youre using it as /
[01:44] <sammy> *edits the wiki page for the manual cd to tell people not to use it because it doesn't work as advertised*
[01:44] <lavacano201014> then reiserfs
[01:44] <mike> I hate to say it, but GNOME's package management apps pwn KDE's. :-\
[01:44] <hydrogen> ricerfs--
[01:44] <hydrogen> use ext3 everywhere
[01:44] <spree> no have to google for it, have no idea what it is
[01:45] <ninhobomba> lavacano201014: whats good for slash?
[01:45] <hydrogen> except for swap I suppose
[01:45] <lavacano201014> mike: i like them both the same
[01:45] <mike> spree: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[01:45] <sammy> there's no reason choosing the kubuntu 7.04 regular cd and having apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should provide different results.
[01:45] <runlevelten> I've been using synaptic on KDE for years.
[01:45] <ninhobomba> lavacano201014: whats good for /?
[01:45] <lavacano201014> [16:44]  <lavacano201014> then reiserfs
[01:45] <mike> spree: Then look under System in K Menu.
[01:45] <lavacano201014> just pick reiserfs
[01:45] <sammy> and, honestly, I don't think it is. I think it has to do with me not using my wpa secured network to do the install, which the live cd let me configure, and the mini cd didn't.
[01:45] <draik> Hello all
[01:45] <draik> What's with the new kernel?
[01:45] <runlevelten> As far as I'm concerned synaptic should be default, etc. said all this before.
[01:45] <lavacano201014> for /
[01:45] <draik> I never asked for it.
[01:45] <lavacano201014> everything else ext3
[01:45] <draik> It's on there now for good...!
[01:45] <draik> Just kidding.
[01:45] <draik> How is everyone?