[01:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137884 in launchpad "Caption for "Duplicated Account" field in +requestmerge isn't useful" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137884
[06:48] <jml> I read that as "Captain Duplicated Account"
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #137886 in launchpad "Tabs are broken in "Merge Launchpad accounts" pages (+requestmerge, +mergerequestsent)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137886
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #137907 in launchpad "Launchpad needs a global help page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137907
[09:09] <carlos> morning
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137910 in launchpad-bazaar "Eliminate user@ portion of ssh codehosting URLs" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137910
[09:39] <mrevell> Morning Launchpadders!
[09:54] <laga> morning mrevell 
[09:54] <mrevell> hey laga, I'm gonna be afk for five minutes
[09:54] <laga> no worries, was just saying hi
[10:04] <mrevell> laga ah right :) Hi!
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137914 in launchpad "gkrellm shows to many processes in display" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137914
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137921 in soyuz "Rejection mail for PPA upload with invalid component gives additional confusing errors" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137921
[11:37] <AlinuxOS> hello, yesterday I've uploaded nautilus.po file to Georgian language... but I can't find it in https://translations.launchpad.net/nautilus/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=po  imports.
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137928 in launchpad "RSS for bugs creation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137928
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137932 in rosetta "Bad extension filter on +import page not handled properly" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137932
[01:25] <AlinuxOS> hello all, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/nautilus/+imports my upstream stranslation is imported, but no new strings appear hear. where is the problem?
[01:27] <mpt> jtv, ^
[01:28] <AlinuxOS> mpt, jtv would help me ?
[01:29] <mpt> or danilo_ might :-)
[01:30] <jtv> AlinuxOS: Just a moment, I'm looking at it...
[01:30] <AlinuxOS> jtv, ah sorry.
[01:30] <AlinuxOS> danilos, hello ;)
[01:31] <danilos> AlinuxOS: hi Vladimer :)
[01:31] <jtv> AlinuxOS: some failures there...
[01:33] <jtv> AlinuxOS: what translations did you upload besides the ones listed on that URL you just pasted?
[01:34] <AlinuxOS> for the moment.... I've commited some translations and corrections to upstream GNOME svn, with msgfmt -cv nautilus/po/ka.po -o /dev/null 
[01:34] <AlinuxOS> 995 translated messages, 165 untranslated messages.
[01:34] <AlinuxOS>   - output
[01:34] <AlinuxOS> so I've imported that into rosetta 
[01:34] <AlinuxOS> as "Published upload"
[01:35] <jtv> AlinuxOS: but the ka.po is still waiting to be processed.
[01:35] <AlinuxOS> cause it's upstream nautilus po file.
[01:35] <AlinuxOS> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/nautilus/+imports
[01:36] <AlinuxOS> here it shows me 2007-09-05 15:22:42 CEST
[01:36] <AlinuxOS> but I've uploaded more recent file today.
[01:36] <jtv> Which one is that?
[01:36] <jtv> Same one?
[01:36] <AlinuxOS> hm... may I delete this one and then reapload a new one?
[01:37] <AlinuxOS> today I've uploaded more recent file.
[01:37] <jtv> IIRC the new file will just take the old one's place, but with the same timestamp (right danilos?)
[01:37] <jtv> AlinuxOS: you uploaded a more recent version _of ka.po_ today?
[01:37] <danilos> AlinuxOS, jtv: more recent version is in there
[01:37] <AlinuxOS> jtv, yes.
[01:37] <AlinuxOS> and I would like to remove that old one.
[01:38] <AlinuxOS> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9163033/ka.po  <-
[01:38] <danilos> jtv: you can follow the 'edit' link, and you'll  see the updated "Status changed" which shows "1 hours ago" (ugh, we need plural forms in Launchpad :))
[01:38] <jtv> danilos, the new version automatically replaced the old one, right?
[01:38] <danilos> jtv: that's  right
[01:38] <sits> I'm currently having trouble with
[01:38] <jtv> AlinuxOS: so no need to change that, it's automatic
[01:38] <sits> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/
[01:39] <AlinuxOS> jtv, yes but I need to upload a new nautilus.po file.
[01:39] <jtv> AlinuxOS: a new template (nautilus.pot)?
[01:39] <AlinuxOS> jtv, and import queue does't show me the recent upload.
[01:40] <jtv> AlinuxOS: no, the queue still shows the old date but takes the new file.
[01:40] <sits> I'm getting a 500 internal error when following a specific action
[01:40] <danilos> AlinuxOS: we have a bug that timestamp is not updated there, but it's working correctly
[01:40] <AlinuxOS> jtv, freshly updated Georgian (ka) nautilus file, called ka.po
[01:41] <jtv> AlinuxOS: yes, the new file is already in the queue.  The queue shows the *date* of the old file, but the *new* file will be imported.
[01:41] <danilos> AlinuxOS: it's all fine and cool, it will be imported (we also have ~3500 entries to import first, which are waiting in the queue already)
[01:41] <sits> is there anyone I can report the problem to?
[01:42] <danilos> sits: we are looking for someone to help you :)
[01:42] <sits> danilos: thank you
[01:42] <jtv> danilos: once again you're a sentence ahead of me :)
[01:42] <AlinuxOS> danilos, ah :D COOL! :) hehe...and how much time is needed for similar (1250 circa string) files?
[01:43] <jtv> AlinuxOS: not long, but first we have to finish a lot of other files!
[01:43] <danilos> AlinuxOS: it will take a few days until we get to it, unfortunately... we need to prioritise human uploads, though
[01:44] <jtv> AlinuxOS: there are a lot of Gutsy translations waiting at the moment.
[01:44] <AlinuxOS> ah ok guys don't worry for me...I can wait entire day if needed.
[01:44] <sits> danilos: (that was very timely - given there was a background conversation I would have just wandered away if you hadn't mention it : )
[01:45] <AlinuxOS> danilos the problem is that I've uploaded 2 times yesterday...si I don't know...how launchpad will manage the same file uploads...
[01:45] <AlinuxOS> will launchpad cancel older queues ?
[01:45] <Le-Chuck_IT1> I am trying to join the launchpad beta testers
[01:45] <Le-Chuck_IT1> team
[01:45] <danilos> AlinuxOS: yeah, just don't worry aboutt it
[01:46] <Le-Chuck_IT1> at https://help.launchpad.net/JoiningLaunchpadBetaTesters I read
[01:46] <Le-Chuck_IT1> Step 5: Email  feedback@launchpad.net to confirm that you agree to the membership conditions.
[01:46] <Le-Chuck_IT1> do I have to send it or wait for an e-mail to which I will reply?
[01:46] <AlinuxOS> danilos, ok...so sing me that song: "Don't Worry Be Happy....tooo to to to to toto tu tutuu"
[01:46] <danilos> AlinuxOS: :)
[01:46] <AlinuxOS> danilos, jtv guys have a nice day!
[01:47] <danilos> sits: it seems the guy who's in charge of codebrowser is asleep -- I guess it's best if you either file a question on answers.launchpad.net or file a bug, depending on what do you think it is :)
[01:47] <jtv> AlinuxOS: same to you!
[01:47] <danilos> AlinuxOS: thanks :)
[01:48] <sits> danilos: fair enough
[01:48] <sits> danilos: which component?
[01:48] <SteveA> hi sits 
[01:48] <sits> (for a bug report)
[01:48] <SteveA> what's up?
[01:48] <jtv> Le-Chuck_IT1: just a moment while I ask elsewhere
[01:49] <sits> SteveA: I get a 500 server error when trying to compare to changes using Bazaar
[01:49] <sits> SteveA: bear with me while I get you the link
[01:49] <SteveA> got a URL I can try out?
[01:49] <SteveA> ta
[01:49] <sits> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~asac/intellinuxwireless/ipw3945.asac/revision/asac%40jwsdot.com-20070904111223-40rtpvbfig8p0rky?start_revid=asac%40jwsdot.com-20070904111223-40rtpvbfig8p0rky&remember=asac%40jwsdot.com-20070902190808-04yv9pno12czzbx7
[01:49] <sits> SteveA: and then click on
[01:49] <sits> SteveA:  compare with revision 1
[01:49] <sits> (sorry you just caught me about to have lunch)
[01:50] <sits> problem seems reproducible every time
[01:51] <SteveA> I see the problem
[01:51] <sits> SteveA: cool
[01:51] <SteveA> sits: what's your launchpad user name?  I get someone to look into this, and I can add you as a subscriber when we file a bug
[01:51] <sits> SteveA: sitsofe
[01:51] <SteveA> cool.  thanks for telling us about this.
[01:52] <sits> SteveA: no problem. When folks point me in the right direction I try to take the time to mention this stuff
[01:52] <sits> (the catch is it all takes time unfortunately)
[01:57] <Le-Chuck_IT1> jtv: I have to go away for a while
[01:57] <Le-Chuck_IT1> will come back later
[01:58] <jtv> Le-Chuck_IT1: just getting an answer now!
[01:58] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ah ok I'll wait
[01:58] <Le-Chuck_IT1> jtv: did you get any private message?
[01:59] <jtv> Le-Chuck_IT1: mrevell says to write that (1) you will use your full real name as your Launchpad displayname, and (2) you will not talk publicly about the features you will be testing. 
[01:59] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ok, doing this
[01:59] <Le-Chuck_IT1> thanks a lot
[01:59] <jtv> Le-Chuck_IT1: that second requirement will change soon though, and Matt says he will clarify the page.
[01:59] <jtv> Le-Chuck_IT1: np, and thanks for helping us test!
[01:59] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ok bye
[01:59] <mrevell> Le-Chuck_IT1: Sorry I didn't see your question initially. I look forward to welcoming you to the beta team!
[02:00] <Le-Chuck_IT1> thank you, I am looking forward to test, too :)
[02:00] <jtv> Le-Chuck_IT1: ^^ the guy who answered your question :-)
[02:00] <Le-Chuck_IT1> yes I see
[02:00] <SteveA> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/137949
[02:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137949 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse failure when comparing revisions " [Medium,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Michael Hudson (mwhudson)
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #137949 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse failure when comparing revisions " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137949
[02:01] <sits> SteveA: cheers
[02:01] <sits> SteveA: and I'm already subscribed - marvellous!
[02:03] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ok, mail sent, bye all and see you soon
[02:27] <mwhudson> sits: hm, i _think_ that problem is fixed in the code that just landed in mainline a few minutes ago
[02:29] <sits> mwhudson: now that's _insanely_ fast
[02:29] <mwhudson> sits: lucky :)
[02:33] <mwhudson> sits: i think it's fixed now, do you want to check too?
[02:34] <sits> mwhudson: sorry just reading MS mini
[02:34] <sits> mwhudson: sure
[02:35] <mwhudson> sits: sure "you'll check", or sure "it's fixed"?
[02:35] <sits> mwhudson: beautiful
[02:35] <mwhudson> np
[02:35] <sits> mwhudson: it's fixed
[02:38] <mwhudson> yay, that went easily :)
[02:45] <sits> it's weird. The bzr problem I was having last week just upped and vanished today
[02:45] <sits> too
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #137964 in launchpad-bazaar "make run_all should run codebrowse.launchpad.dev" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137964
[03:37] <norsetto> sorry guys, where do one file a PPA bug?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> norsetto: i'd guess https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/
[03:41] <Hobbsee> mrevell: ping
[03:41] <norsetto> Hobbsee: \o/
[03:41] <mrevell> hey gob
[03:41] <Hobbsee> norsetto: may be somewhere more specialised, i'm no tsure
[03:41] <Hobbsee> mrevell: can you help as to where the ppa bug filing is?
[03:41] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Yes, no problem, you file it under Soyuz, tagged as ppa. Let me get the link:
[03:42] <mrevell> norsetto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+filebug
[03:42] <mrevell> norsetto: then tag with ppa
[03:42] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/
[03:42] <norsetto> ok thanks both
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i thought some of these bugs would come up
[03:42] <mrevell> Hobbsee: btw - didn't mean to greet you with "hey gob". My finger slipped and, of course, the autocomplete didn't work...
[03:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:43] <Hobbsee> i figured
[03:43] <norsetto> mrevell: whats wrong with gob? you should see how she calls me ....
[03:43] <mrevell> :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> mrevell: can you get https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/137767 fixed soon, please?
[03:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137767 in soyuz "Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed in PPA uploads closes Ubuntu bugs" [Undecided,New]  
[03:44] <mrevell> lemme take a look
[03:45] <norsetto> ok, no need to file another one :-D
[03:45] <Hobbsee> norsetto: hehe, was that the one?
[03:45] <norsetto> Hobbsee: :-)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> you'd only be the third to file it. that's quite good
[03:46] <norsetto> the first time I saw that yesterday I almost had an heart attack ....
[03:46] <norsetto> WHO UPLOADED THAT BLOODY NON WORKING PATCH :-)
[03:47] <mrevell> I can definitely let cprov know you guys need it fixed sooner than later.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:47] <Hobbsee> mrevell: when does cprov get back?
[03:47] <mrevell> Hobbsee: monday afaik
[03:48] <Hobbsee> right
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hmm, there are some interesting looking bugs in soyz
[03:49] <Hobbsee> er, soyuz
[03:50] <Hobbsee> mrevell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/136399 is also a candidate for high-prio fixing there
[03:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136399 in soyuz "PPA builders performing normal Ubuntu binary mangling" [Undecided,New]  
[03:50] <Hobbsee> same sort of issue
[03:52] <Hobbsee> (ohhh!  so *that's* why MOTU ML is getting mails about ppa packages now - because it's saying that MOTU is the maintainer..)
[03:54] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Thanks, lemme take a look at that too
[04:16] <Rinchen> I've upgrade bug 137767 to high priority
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137767 in soyuz "Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed in PPA uploads closes Ubuntu bugs" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137767
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Rinchen: great, thanks :)
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137997 in malone "+filebug-advanced should have Importance, Status and Assigne fields" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137997
[05:47] <xhaker> Hi.. How does one remove a package from PPA?
[06:09] <Rinchen> bigjools, ^^
[06:09] <Rinchen> mrevell, we should include this ^^ in the quickstart guide if it's not there.
[06:09] <bigjools> xhaker: I don't think you can yet
[06:10] <mrevell> Rinchen: Agreed. I'll add a message that it's not yet possible.
[06:10] <Rinchen> sweet. Thank you both
[06:11] <xhaker> bigjools, no problem.. just bumped the package version. yes, the current wording on the guide made me think there was that possibility
[06:11] <mrevell> xhaker: Ah, sorry the current wording confused you. Which bit in particular? I'll fix it.
[06:11] <xhaker> mrevell, thumbs up
[06:11] <bigjools> xhaker: the old files will get purged if they are no longer in use by a package
[06:12] <bigjools> well - the work to do that is in progress anyway :)
[06:13] <xhaker> mrevell, "How long are packages published?"
[06:13] <xhaker> in this section
[06:13] <xhaker> "Packages will remain published until either you remove them yourself,"
[06:13] <mrevell> xhaker: Ah, I see. Okay, thanks. Fair point! I'll fix that now.
[06:14] <xhaker> mrevell, thumbs up again.. amazing work you've been doing.. ppa is great.. and dholbach already did a nifty tool to use it :D
[06:15] <mrevell> xhaker: I heard about dholbach's tool today, yeah, I need to go take a look at that.
[06:15] <xhaker> mrevell, the only problem is the .lpcookie step
[06:15] <mrevell> xhaker: in Daniel's tool?
[06:15] <xhaker> maybe there could be a page in launchpad to expose an API key or something
[06:16] <xhaker> mrevell, yes.. in revuput.. dholbach uses the browser cookie i think
[06:16] <xhaker> but you'd have to copy it yourself to .lpcookie
[06:16] <xhaker> that's what i understand from the mail
[06:16] <mrevell> xhaker: Ah, I see. In terms of exposing an API key, I'd suggest posting launchpad-users and cc'ing Celso.
[06:17] <xhaker> mrevell, I'm saying this because maybe revuput could use that key to do whatever it does. Not sure.
[06:19] <mrevell> xhaker: right
[06:34] <norsetto> xhaker: did you get the input from dholbach about konqueror too?
[06:36] <xhaker> norsetto, i don't think i did. 
[06:37] <norsetto> xhaker: its not that important, but I think konqueror is using a format of the cookies file which is different from the mozilla one, so the .lpcookie doesn't work with that
[06:39] <xhaker> norsetto, yes.. i figured it would be a bit of work to get all cookies to work.. the APIkey + launchpad API changes to accomodate that app would be easier
[06:39] <xhaker> on the tool side that is
[06:40] <xhaker> sorry for proposing more work for the launchpad chaps.. i did not mean to.. you're doing a great work already
[06:40] <xhaker> :D
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138021 in loggerhead "loggerhead should generate links based on revision numbers and file paths" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138021
[06:52] <sjohannes> hi, is it normal that people are only able to see my bzr changesets after a few hours?
[06:53] <sjohannes> (in a branch in LP)
[06:54] <ddaa> it depends on the type of the branch
[06:54] <ddaa> what is the url of the page of the branch on Launchpad?
[06:54] <sjohannes> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main
[06:55] <ddaa> When someone asks for "the url of the page in Launchpad", they expect an URL like https://code.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main
[06:56] <sjohannes> oh yes sorry, didn't see that you asked for the webpage
[06:56] <ddaa> Mh, this branch is hosted, so normally your changes should appear very quickly.
[06:56] <ddaa> (a few minutes)
[06:56] <ddaa> But there is a bug open about cases where that is not done quickly.
[06:57] <ddaa> A race condition was fixed in the code, so we hope the problem will go away next release.
[06:57] <ddaa> In about one week and a half.
[06:57] <sjohannes> ok, i'll watch for it
[06:57] <sjohannes> thanks ddaa
[06:58] <ddaa> If I understand the race correctly
[06:58] <ddaa> it happens when you push multiple times to the same branch in a short time
[06:58] <ddaa> (as this happens when you use a checkout and do frequent commits)
[06:58] <ddaa> is that your case?
[06:58] <sjohannes> ddaa: how short?
[06:59] <sjohannes> ddaa: no, i'm using branch and push
[06:59] <ddaa> short time = a few minutes
[06:59] <sjohannes> not really, there's a few hours' gap
[06:59] <ddaa> okay
[07:00] <ddaa> btw
[07:00] <ddaa> this branch is owned by a team
[07:00] <ddaa> team member should always be able to see your changes instantly through sftp or bzr+ssh
[07:01] <sjohannes> ok. good to know that
[07:17] <VernonCole> Hello everyone.   I am shopping for a web application framework. What toolkit is launchpad written with?
[07:18] <ddaa> Zope
[07:18] <ddaa> Plus a large amount of home-made infrastructure.
[07:18] <ddaa> Actually, Zope3.
[07:18] <VernonCole> So if I learn Zope3 I will have a better handle on launchpad?
[07:19] <ddaa> uh
[07:19] <ddaa> Unless you are a Launchpad developer, understanding Zope3 will not help you much.
[07:20] <ddaa> The things there are to know about Launchpad are launhcpad-specific, nothing to do with the framework.
[07:21] <ddaa> Also, Launchpad uses postgresql, not zodb, not it's not typical at all as far as Zope3 apps go.
[07:21] <VernonCole> I want to do some work on STORM, and don't want to have to unlearn anything.
[07:21] <ddaa> STORM is an ORM, it is only a small part of the launchpad infrastructure.
[07:22] <ddaa> And you should be able to understand and contribute to it without the broader picture.
[07:23] <VernonCole> Understood.  I am the implementer of adodbapi.py and I want to hook STORM to it.
[07:23] <VernonCole> My day job requires a web page and I want to use what canonical uses.
[07:25] <Rinchen> VernonCole, have you seen  https://storm.canonical.com/ ?
[07:25] <Rinchen> VernonCole, you should join the storm mailing list and post your questions there.
[07:27] <ddaa> As far as web frameworks go, you should probably not consider Zope unless you are going for a webapp with more than 10 developers.
[07:27] <ddaa> Maybe look at grok, or django.
[07:28] <VernonCole> The app will be running on a Windows (IIS) server. django is out. Would grok work?
[07:28] <ddaa> uh
[07:28] <intellectronica> or web.py, which is really simple and can get you started very quickly - all of the above will work with storm, b.t.w, with a bit of tweaking
[07:29] <ddaa> Not the least clue about IIS compatibility. Though my best advice here is "stay away from IIS".
[07:29] <intellectronica> VernonCole: why should IIS be a problem. python is cross-platform, people do run python webapps on windows. or does django have a special limitation?
[07:30] <VernonCole> My quick review of django yesterday looks like it only works well with apache and is hard to set up on Windows.
[07:31] <VernonCole> As for IIS, I am forced into that chioce by my employer.  They hate me for using python rather than visual basic.
[07:31] <intellectronica> VernonCole: i doubt that, but anyway, check out web.py ( https://launchpad.net/webpy ), i know for sure that people are using it with IIS
[07:32] <VernonCole> Okay.  I am on my way to ckeck out webpy.  Thanks for the help!
[08:39] <sabdfl> evening all
[08:40] <xhaker> good evening!
[08:52] <beuno> carlos, ping  :D
[09:39] <recon> Is there any way to kill an account?
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #138088 in soyuz "ppa Instructions unclear" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138088