[01:35] <bzaks> how is Gutsy Gibbon? Stable? yay? nay?
[01:35] <bzaks> I wanna format, but I wanna jump up
[01:36] <LinAsH> hey, with radeon driver and dynamicclocks option, how to be sure that frequency scaling is effective? is there other settings to enable it?
[01:36] <scizzo-> bzaks: its in development...no promises made pretty much
[01:37] <bzaks> darn. I was just curious if it was basically stable... I really want to format, but I'm waiting to upgrade
[01:38] <scizzo-> bzaks: well the topic says it all...
[01:38] <bzaks> hmmm....
[01:38] <bzaks> sounds like I have some learning to do before I risk that
[01:38] <bzaks> thanks Scizzo! :) I appreciate your time
[01:39] <scizzo-> bzaks: np
[02:20] <xtknight> anyone else having troubles connecting to AIM with pidgin?
[02:21] <xtknight> or other network problems with nm-applet (network manager) applet showing connected/disconnected, etc?  i noticed pidgin actually goes off of what nm-applet says even tho eth0 is up
[02:37] <snyperx> Evening all.
[02:37] <snyperx> Anyone attempted to install the Nvidia 100.14.11 drivers?
[02:37] <snyperx> I did today and had numerous issues.
[02:37] <snyperx> Is anyone working with Nvidia to remedy?
[02:42] <snyperx> Hello?  Echo......Echo
[03:05] <Dana1> Odd: with ndiswrapper, nm-applet shows a weak signal.
[03:52] <rockets> I thought Tribe 6 was coming out today
[03:52] <rockets> what happened
[04:07] <mojo_> excuse me
[04:07] <cdm10> you are excused :)
[04:07] <mojo_> i am just wondering if i can ask 1 question here
[04:07] <mojo_> even if it sound a bit stupid
[04:08] <cdm10> mojo_: go ahead, no question is stupid
[04:08] <cdm10> and no need to excuse yourself before you talk :)
[04:08] <terlmann> your the first person to come in here for hours
[04:08] <terlmann> just say it
[04:08] <mojo_> does gutsy stuff up DNS? I dont know why but Firefox no longer go to right webpage like it used to, and it can't even download file from FTP from Firefox, (ie some pictures in my flickr no longer shows up)
[04:10] <mojo_> ...i think my question is sure stupid now =_=
[04:11] <m1ke> Anyone here help me finishing setting up this rig?
[04:11] <terlmann> m1ke
[04:11] <terlmann> what are you saying
[04:11] <m1ke> Terlmann, just need some help finishing up this linux build.
[04:12] <terlmann> is it debian ?
[04:12] <m1ke> Ubuntu
[04:12] <terlmann> what do you mean by build ?
[04:12] <mojo_> btw, has anyone encountered any surfing problem with Firefox, if so, please show me launchpad bug report so I can search thru and look for answers
[04:12] <m1ke> terlman for example, ALSA being a bitch
[04:13] <terlmann> well
[04:13] <m1ke> Just switched from Vista Ultimate, and this linux OS is not complete.  I don't even have voice chat
[04:13] <terlmann> all I know is alsaconf
[04:13] <cdm10> m1ke: yes it does.
[04:13] <terlmann> and for vouce , ekiga
[04:13] <terlmann> voice
[04:13] <cdm10> m1ke: and, you shouldn't be here, go to #ubuntu for Ubuntu support instead.
[04:13] <cdm10> m1ke: skype works on Ubuntu.
[04:14] <m1ke> Well a developer told me to use 7.10 cause it was stable.  If I remember when I first tested 7.04 someone had to build alsa from source for me. I dont know how.
[04:15] <cdm10> m1ke: if you don't know enough to realize that voice chat is built into Ubuntu, you shouldn't be using development builds.
[04:15] <terlmann> its stable
[04:15] <terlmann> I am using it
[04:15] <terlmann> m1ke
[04:15] <terlmann> your no geek
[04:15] <Xero> m1ke: sorry to say it, but Vista...sucks...
[04:15] <Xero> I'm not trying to offend. Just getting it out there before someone comes along flaming you for it.
[04:15] <terlmann> go back to your *reliable* systems that do exactly what you want and have everything visible and in the right place in the right time
[04:16] <terlmann> or learn to tinker !!
[04:16] <m1ke> you have a cross platform voicechat software package that comes with ubuntu?
[04:16] <Xero> yeah.
[04:16] <cdm10> m1ke: it's called Ekiga, and it supports the open SIP protocol.
[04:16] <terlmann> yep
[04:16] <Xero> I dont know exactly what the name of it is, but we have voicechat.
[04:17] <cdm10> m1ke: there's also Gizmo, and Skype, and many other options.
[04:17] <Xero> Note the word Skype, which any Windows user should know
[04:17] <terlmann> E-k-i-g-a : located in the applications > internet meny
[04:17] <terlmann> meny
[04:17] <m1ke> yea I know skype and teamspeak
[04:17] <terlmann> menu
[04:17] <Xero> Well we got em.
[04:17] <cdm10> m1ke: go to skype.com and download it... it's really not that difficult.
[04:18] <Xero> As you adjust to Ubuntu you'll like it, m1ke.
[04:18] <cdm10> m1ke: your Windows OS is not complete... it doesn't come with a Jabber client.
[04:18] <cdm10> Or an AIM client... or an IRC client...
[04:19] <Xero> It also isn't free in two ways.
[04:19] <m1ke> Well what is best voice chat?   Ekiga for linux only?
[04:19] <cdm10> m1ke: Ekiga is compatible with SIP, so it works with Windows SIP clients.
[04:20] <cdm10> m1ke: by the way, Windows doesn't come with voice chat either.
[04:20] <Xero> Skype is probably the best since its cross-platform, but Ekiga works with other clients.
[04:22] <m1ke> Ekiga, what other apps use sip?
[04:22] <cdm10> m1ke: just use skype if that makes you happy
[04:22] <m1ke> I am asking a question
[04:23] <cdm10> m1ke: google it.
[04:23] <ggilbert> I'd just search for windows and sip for a list.  There's quite a few
[04:23] <cdm10> m1ke: search for sip client windows
[04:23] <m1ke> Like Pidgin lets me use any type of IM protocol. so I was wondering if Ekiga does same
[04:23] <ggilbert> Ekiga does sip, h.323, and I *think* IAX
[04:23] <cdm10> m1ke: well, there's really only 1 widely-used open voice protocol
[04:24] <cdm10> I take that back
[04:24] <cdm10> there are a few
[04:24] <cdm10> as ggilbert says :)
[04:26] <m1ke> cdm10 which one?
[04:27] <randy026> heh
[04:30] <sycho_> so I have a new problem I havn't encountered before. I just did a fresh install of XP and ubuntu. I just got done loading grub. I can boot into ubuntu fine but for some rteason when I try to boot into XP it just loads the grub menu again. However, it dosn't give me any errors. any ideas?
[04:31] <m1ke> Skype works now.   I didn't change anything to alsa.  Maybe Tribe5 updates that get downloaded daily fixed problem.
[04:33] <m1ke> What do you do about games though?  Wine and Cedega seem to be buggy
[04:34] <ggilbert> between native stuff, things that work in wine, and my xbox, I'm usually covered :)
[04:34] <sukki> hey guys
[04:35] <bzaks> hey sukki
[04:35] <sukki> whats the reccommended way to upgrade to gibbon? cds?
[04:35] <bzaks> Which is more reliable? the md5sum or the cd's self check?
[04:35] <mojo_> sukki: grab the tribe5-cd then type : sudo update-manager -d
[04:36] <sukki> mojo_: okay. one more question, if i upgrade to gutsy in alpha (beta?) i can still upgrade to full release without a problem correct?
[04:36] <randy026> bzaks, md5sum ensures that the file you downloaded is correct. the self check could ensure that it was burned properly..
[04:37] <randy026> So both..
[04:37] <bzaks> I see.
[04:37] <bzaks> so if the self check failed (but on something I don't care about) and the md5 sum was fine
[04:37] <mojo_> sukki: not so sure about this, 99.9% is yes, but 0.01 something might breaks, a fresh install is recommended
[04:37] <randy026> Reburn it
[04:37] <bzaks> thanks Randy.
[04:37] <bzaks> Okay, what
[04:38] <randy026> at a slow burn rate
[04:38] <randy026> or speed I guess
[04:43] <darkstar61> hi, someone had tested the latest kde4 upgrades in gustsy...? and experienced sothing like this > http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/561/kde4b2ht1.jpg ?
[04:43] <darkstar61> *me
[04:49] <stdin> darkstar61: yep, I get that
[04:50] <darkstar61> stdin: i guess something is missing...
[04:50] <darkstar61> in the latest upgrade...
[04:56] <jscinoz> this is  strange.. didnt Ubuntu use to group similar windows on the taskbar?
[04:57] <jscinoz> I have 17 Openoffice windows, all showing separately on the taskbar, didnt they group in feisty?
[05:04] <jscinoz> ah
[05:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Did you forget that you'd set the taskbar applet to Group windows?
[05:13] <Telep> lucasvo: The thunderbird crash problem seemed to be related to extensions. After disabling them it doesn't crash.
[05:14] <Telep> however extensions installed through apt work fine
[05:27] <DanaG> !ogg
[05:27] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:28] <DanaG> ...and has a DAP that'll play that format.
[05:28] <DanaG> !instlux
[05:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about instlux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <DanaG> I'm surprised Ubuntu doesn't have a pre-assembled instlux.
[05:40] <CaptLloyd> Any idea if tribe-6 will be released tonight?
[05:47] <SeveredCross> Anyone know why displayconfig-gtk says my card is "ATI Radeon (fbdev)" when I'm using the fglrx driver?
[05:47] <SeveredCross> The drop-down box reports the correct driver, but the heading doesn't, which is confusing to say the least.
[05:51] <rockets> Where can I find a nightly build of gutsy?
[05:54] <Ryan52> In synaptic I selected "Mark all updates" then "Apply" and it gave me this error: http://rafb.net/p/pWxziX26.html
[05:55] <DanaG> http://instlux.sourceforge.net/how_to_add_kernels.txt
[05:55] <DanaG> yay, instlux.
[05:55] <DanaG> Good for laptops with broken CD drives.
[05:56] <Ryan52> My other computer is also giving me errors when I try to update but I didn't post them (synaptic's busy with other updates right now)
[05:59] <rockets> Ryan52, that means the URL is not found . . .
[06:00] <Ryan52> well, what should I do?
[06:00] <rockets> Ryan52, wait.
[06:00] <Ryan52> ok
[06:01] <rockets> Ryan52, or you could change your repositories to another location
[06:01] <DanaG> Somebody should edit this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NETUbuntuInstallationFromWindows      to mention the application for systems having broken, or no, CD drives.
[06:01] <Ryan52> okay, thanks
[06:01] <rockets> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[06:02] <stdin> DanaG: then edit it :)
[06:02] <DanaG> I can't think of any creative names for that "use cases" thing.
[06:02] <rockets> I'd really like to figure out how to boot a box via PXE and install ubuntu on it over the network
[06:11] <vlowther> www.vicefund.com <-- invest in the dark side of human nature.
[06:11] <vlowther> also, is it bad of me that I used GHCI as a calculator?
[06:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Is it my imagination, or is WINE not in the Gutsy repos?
[06:16] <DanaG> Oh, one issue with instlux: it often chooses wrong partition numbers.
[06:17] <DanaG> For example, this laptop has a hidden partition at the start of the disk, so the menu.lst that grldr used was pointing to that, instead of to the real C: drive.
[06:35] <ggilbert> Does anyone know of a way to see what version of xorg-server-core is included in a particular tribe?
[06:37] <DanaG> Oh, and this them looks nice with the 'Zen' metacity theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/OranSun
[07:05] <n0yd> If I install the "linux-source" package, is this Ubuntu's sources with all their patches, or plain vanilla sources?
[07:06] <n0yd> I assume it's the patched sources...
[07:06] <ggilbert> it's the patched source
[07:07] <n0yd> ok good
[07:07] <n0yd> thanks
[07:11] <n0yd> ggilbert: is the default kernel config included with the sources? or is there a place I can find it?
[07:12] <ggilbert> n0yd:  I would suspect it's in there somewhere, but I don't know where exactly.
[07:12] <SeveredCross> It's in /boot
[07:12] <SeveredCross> /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[07:12] <ggilbert> ah yeah, good point.
[07:13] <n0yd> Ahh k.  Basically I'm not using the kernel on a ubuntu box, I'm trying the kernel on another machine which even when configured correctly the hardware doesn't work correctly, apparently from doing some research, ubuntu has some patches I can't find anywhere else for this specific hardware
[07:15] <ggilbert> Is there an archive anywhere of source for previous builds of a package in gutsy?
[07:15] <SeveredCross> I doubt it ggilbert.
[07:15] <ggilbert> Darn. That'd make life much simpler :)
[07:15] <n0yd> heh
[07:16] <n0yd> Just build the package.
[07:16] <ggilbert> Well, I'm trying to cut down the number of times I need to do that :)
[07:16] <ggilbert> an ubuntu patch is causing problems with X, I was hoping to help narrow down which one it was :)
[07:17] <n0yd> Look for a mirror which is defunct/slow and hasn't synced lately. :-P
[07:24] <anderbubble> Can I cleanly disable desktop effects (by default) from the terminal?
[07:26] <ggilbert> anderbubble: look up gconftool and /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current
[07:26] <anderbubble> ggilbert, thanks
[07:27] <ggilbert> I don't know for sure if that'll do what you want, but it's a direction to look
[07:41] <slipttees> hey
[07:41] <slipttees> i find one bug in gnome!!
[07:41] <slipttees> click right button in desktop
[07:42] <slipttees> choose  create document => new document
[07:42] <slipttees> don't create none document
[07:42] <slipttees> =-)
[07:43] <slipttees> someone ?
[07:43] <CaptLloyd> Uhm
[07:43] <CaptLloyd> What version of Ubuntu is this?
[07:43] <Xemanth> one thing which I would want to be changed in ubiquity installer, it asks Xorg settings too early
[07:43] <slipttees> 7.10 trible 5
[07:43] <CaptLloyd> I would file a bug report then
[07:44] <Xemanth> it would be nice if the installer would ask its questions after it has installed all stuff
[07:44] <slipttees> i don'known report bug :-(
[07:45] <CaptLloyd> search google, I believe its on launchpad.net
[07:45] <SeveredCross> http://launchpad.net/bugs/ubuntu/7.10 is where you wanna go I think.
[07:45] <slipttees> well well
[07:46] <slipttees> i don't extrat tar.gz2 file for other desktop
[07:46] <slipttees> like
[07:46] <slipttees>     gksudo 'tar -vxjpf  /tmp/SecondLife_i686_1_18_1_2.tar.bz2 -C /usr/share/games/secondlife/'
[07:46] <slipttees>     gksudo 'chmod -R 777 /usr/share/games/secondlife/'
[07:47] <Xemanth> slipttees: tar xvjf ?
[07:47] <slipttees> yes... zxvvf don't work!
[07:47] <slipttees> tar -zxvvf don't extrat
[07:47] <CaptLloyd> the z
[07:48] <CaptLloyd> is for gzip files
[07:48] <CaptLloyd> that is a bzip file
[07:48] <CaptLloyd> use j
[07:48] <slipttees> ohh =-O
[07:48] <CaptLloyd> or leave it out
[07:48] <slipttees> this
[07:48] <slipttees>  tar -jxvvf ?
[07:48] <CaptLloyd> newer versions of tar are smart enough to figure out what to do with it
[07:48] <CaptLloyd> yeah
[07:48] <slipttees> :D
[07:48] <SeveredCross> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/
[07:48] <slipttees> moment test cmd
[07:48] <SeveredCross> tar xfv works perfect. :)
[07:48] <Xemanth> slipttees: why 2x v letters ? :)
[07:49] <slipttees> hum ?
[07:49] <SeveredCross> Double verbosity/
[07:49] <Xemanth> aah
[07:49] <slipttees> aahh
[07:49] <slipttees> ?
[07:50] <slipttees> bah..don't work comand
[07:50] <slipttees> :-(
[07:52] <Xemanth> slipttees: xvjf try that
[07:52] <CaptLloyd> yeah, that
[07:52] <CaptLloyd> should do it
[07:53] <slipttees>  cd /usr/share/games/ && gksudo mkdir secondlife
[07:53] <slipttees>     gksudo 'tar -xvjf  /tmp/SecondLife_i686_1_18_1_2.tar.bz2 -C secondlife/'
[07:53] <slipttees> dawm..still don't work
[07:53] <slipttees> :(
[07:54] <Xemanth> what does it whine ?
[07:54] <slipttees> yes
[07:54] <slipttees> cmd don't work
[07:54] <slipttees> :(
[07:55] <Xemanth> how it doesn't work ?
[07:55] <slipttees> this
[07:55] <slipttees>  cd /tmp
[07:55] <slipttees>      #gksudo "wget -c http://s3.amazonaws.com/download-secondlife-com/SecondLife_i686_1_18_1_2.tar.bz2"
[07:55] <slipttees>     cd /usr/share/games/ && gksudo mkdir secondlife
[07:55] <slipttees>     gksudo 'tar -xvjf  /tmp/SecondLife_i686_1_18_1_2.tar.bz2 -C secondlife/'
[07:55] <slipttees>     gksudo 'chmod -R 777 /usr/share/games/secondlife/'
[07:55] <slipttees>     cd $diretorio
[07:55] <slipttees> 	gksudo cp ./include/secondlife.desktop /usr/share/applications/secoundlife.desktop
[07:59] <Hobbsee> and how doesnt that work?
[08:00] <slipttees> extrat files for directory /usr/share/games/secondlife/
[08:07] <leafw> anybody tried gutsy on a T60p
[08:39] <DanaG> Hmm, there seem to be no rtl8180 drivers of any sort in Gutsy.
[08:39] <DanaG> Imagine that... I found a card worse than BCM43xx.  Then again, that might not be all that surprising.
[08:39] <randy026> I have a 1440 x 900 screen it looks fine when it boots to the desktop but when the nividia logo comes on my whole screen goes haywire
[08:40] <randy026> when I go to screen saver or try to play games it reboots X something isnt right
[08:43] <DanaG> !r818x
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about r818x - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:44] <DanaG> !find r818x
[08:44] <ubotu> Package/file r818x does not exist in gutsy
[08:44] <DanaG> !find rtl818x.ko
[08:44] <ubotu> Package/file rtl818x.ko does not exist in gutsy
[08:45] <Hobbsee> use dpkg -S
[08:46] <DanaG> It was in 2.6.20, but not in 2.6.22.
[08:46] <DanaG> I have a Broadcom BCM4306 card also, so the Realtek one is as good as garbage, in a way.
[08:47] <DanaG> But lack of any driver is a big issue for people who may happen to have one of those around, and need wireless.
[08:48] <DanaG> Take off the '0' -- otherwise it's a 404.
[08:48] <DanaG> Aah, tinyurl works.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, was trying to link to the direc turl
[08:57] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[08:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New] 
[08:57] <randy026> Can someone help me when I try to play OpenGL games X just reboots
[08:58] <randy026> I have compiz-fusion configured drivers ect..
[09:00] <DanaG> I wish my bug report would get some feedback, also.
[09:34] <jscinoz> Has ALSA been fixed on the .10 kernel yet?
[09:38] <jscinoz> randy026, i have the same problem, if i run anythign else which needs 3d acceleration while compiz-fusion is running x reboots
[09:38] <jscinoz> are you on a desktop or laptop?
[09:39] <DanaG> I think everybody with nvidia, at least, has that problem.
[09:39] <jscinoz> ah
[09:39] <jscinoz> >_<
[09:39] <DanaG> I also get Xorg freezing when Compiz exits, even if it exits normally.
[09:39] <jscinoz> Heard anything about ALSA + snd-hda-intel + Santa-rosa = no go?
[09:39] <jscinoz> same here Dana
[09:40] <DanaG> I don't have Santa Rosa, so I don't have that issue.
[09:40] <DanaG> I do have nonworking recording, however.
[09:41] <jscinoz> I have no sound whatsoever
[09:41] <jscinoz> it worked on the .9 kernel
[09:41] <jscinoz> but nothing on .10
[09:41] <jscinoz> anyways
[09:42] <jscinoz> how do you reshow the pallete in gimp if you close it?
[09:54] <snadge> im forced to install gentoo because there isnt a 386/486 optimised version of ubuntu :(
[09:54] <snadge> sucks to have transmeta cpu
[09:55] <snadge> i mean.. im running ubuntu now, but im forced to use icewm, and it runs like a complete dog.. i used to run debian potato (which was 486 optimised) and it flew in comparison
[10:01] <stdin> packages are normally 486 optimised
[10:03] <snadge> i dont think thats the case for years
[10:04] <snadge> post potato that is.. i did a dist upgrade
[10:04] <snadge> thats what caused say a 90% performance hit
[10:04] <snadge> libc etc is all 686 (i think)
[10:04] <snadge> a mate of mine is coming around now with a gentoo install
[10:05] <Tomcat_> I've always read that it doesn't matter... and the small knowledge I gained from CPU architecture tells me the same... but I never saw benchmarks. I might be wrong. :)
[10:05] <snadge> yes.. it doesnt matter.. thats why every dist switched to 686 compilation
[10:05] <Tomcat_> Well, it does matter, but not hugely. That's what I meant.
[10:05] <snadge> but if you have a crusoe processor.. it takes an extreme performance hit
[10:05] <Tomcat_> Mh, okay.
[10:05] <snadge> well you get gains on anything even remotely p6 based
[10:06] <snadge> hence reason for switching default optimisation
[10:06] <Tomcat_> Yeah, I guess the Crusoe is quite different, because it isn't directly based on i386 or something...
[10:06] <snadge> thats right.. highest optimisation level that works decently with it.. is 586
[10:06] <snadge> ie.. in between 486 and pentium
[10:08] <snadge> i wonder if it would be worth releasing a version of gobuntu, with 386 optimisations.. for poverty/3rd world computers
[10:09] <snadge> it could just run icewm.. or whatever xubuntu uses
[10:09] <Amaranth> afaik we use 486 because the via is missing one of the 586 instructions
[10:10] <snadge> but what about libc.. and kernel?
[10:10] <Amaranth> or it might be we use 586 because via is missing a 686 instruction, can't remember
[10:10] <snadge> and X etc
[10:10] <stdin> snadge: run "dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE" that's shows i486-linux-gnu is the default for debs
[10:10] <Amaranth> snadge: there is libc6 and libc6-i686
[10:10] <snadge> which is installed by default?
[10:11] <snadge> looks like libc6.. hmm
[10:12] <snadge> there goes that theory then, i wonder what changed between debian 2.1 days and debian 3.. optimisation wise
[10:12] <Amaranth> snadge: the packages are tuned for the p4 though
[10:12] <snadge> thats the problem
[10:12] <snadge> crusoe eats it with p4 optimisations
[10:13] <Amaranth> hmm
[10:13] <Amaranth> crusoe has very shallow pipeline?
[10:14] <Amaranth> jscinoz: the nvidia thing is probably because you're using nvidia-glx-new
[10:14] <Amaranth> you should use nvidia-glx
[10:15] <jscinoz> nope
[10:15] <jscinoz> using the binary package from nvidia.com
[10:17] <snadge> the crusoe is a risc processor, that has an x86 translation layer thats implemented in software
[10:17] <snadge> well it has an instruction translator thats like firmware
[10:17] <snadge> the p4 optimisations makes the instruction translator stall
[10:17] <ggilbert> jscinoz: The nvidia thing isn't fixable
[10:18] <ggilbert> it's a buggy patch in xorg
[10:18] <snadge> the technology was miles ahead of its time.. intel basically stole a lot of the optimisations and used them fore core2.. hence energy efficiency gains
[10:18] <ggilbert> It should be updated reasonably soon, but until then you can either use compiz or opengl apps, but not both
[10:19] <snadge> Amaranth: what do you mean packages are optimised for p4 when they're built with -m486?
[10:19] <Amaranth> snadge: they're tuned for the p4 but only use 486 instructions
[10:19] <snadge> so its not possible to undo the p4 tuning options.. without recompiling all the .deb packages?
[10:19] <Amaranth> jscinoz: what version of the driver?
[10:19] <Amaranth> snadge: right
[10:20] <Amaranth> jscinoz: the 100.14.11 driver _sucks_
[10:20] <snadge> ok.. so without trying to sound like a troll.. is there any real reason why i shouldn't try gentoo?
[10:20] <Amaranth> it falls over if you look at it wrong
[10:20] <Amaranth> snadge: go ahead
[10:20] <ggilbert> To keep up to date on the issue, keep an eye on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/130325
[10:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx-new]  3D GL apps crash X when using compiz (gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:20] <Amaranth> snadge: as long as it's not windows i don't care :)
[10:20] <snadge> since gentoo allows you to easily recompile everything with custom compile options
[10:21] <snadge> as far as i know.. debian or ubuntu would be a much more  manual process?
[10:21] <Amaranth> snadge: probably take you a couple weeks to compile everything on such a puny processor though :)
[10:21] <snadge> im going to run from command line.. until its finished
[10:21] <snadge> its just a shame transmeta are pretty much nonexistant now
[10:22] <snadge> i was thinking of buying a core2 system with intel chipset onboard because its so cheap
[10:22] <snadge> then i can just use gutsy, and its a no brainer
[10:23] <snadge> but i would still have this legacy platform that would then be essentially useless
[10:23] <Amaranth> they got outmaneuvered, it happens
[10:23] <Amaranth> shouldn't hold on to something that's dead
[10:24] <snadge> apparently their legal case against intel has merit, which is quite sad
[10:24] <snadge> intel "appropriating" that technology.. made the performance per watt gains of the crusoe architecture, irrelevant
[10:25] <snadge> which has forced them out of the niche market they were aiming for
[10:25] <jscinoz> I cant install the 9755 driver
[10:25] <jscinoz> X fails to start after installing it
[10:26] <jscinoz> only 100.14.11 works
[10:27] <snadge> i spent $1000 on a 550mhz crusoe 5/14" single board computer.. that uses 20watts of energy (total).. and now its just a novelty item :)
[10:27] <jscinoz> Put xubuntu on it and use it as a server
[10:28] <snadge> as i was just saying earlier.. unfortunately the default p4 optimisations, absolutely cripples the performance.. to the point where its almost unuseable for a desktop system
[10:28] <jscinoz> server?
[10:28] <snadge> everything you do on it uses 100% cpu and seems to take forever to do
[10:29] <ggilbert> jscinoz: Downgrading the nvidia driver will probably not fix your issue anyways :)
[10:29] <jscinoz> >_<
[10:29] <jscinoz> alright
[10:29] <jscinoz> another question... can i make ubunt use OSS instead of ALSA, alsa is broken on the .10 kernel
[10:30] <snadge> im assuming that server performance is degraded as well
[10:30] <ggilbert> jscinoz: You can work around it by rebuilding xserver-xorg-core without the 132_composite-no-clipping.diff patch, but that may or may not break other things
[10:31] <jscinoz> I'd rather not do somethign that drastic, i can go without compiz
[10:31] <jscinoz> any idea on getting ALSA working on the .10 kernel on the santa-rosa platform?
[10:32] <jscinoz> Centrino Duo laptops
[10:32] <ggilbert> Ah. My laptop isn't nearly that up to date
[10:34] <jscinoz> >_<
[10:34] <jscinoz> alright, time for some other questions
[10:35] <jscinoz> I need to install a java app called Sancho, its a GUI for MLDonkey, i can choose the normal java version or GCJ version, which should i choose?
[10:36] <ggilbert> I would think either would work equally well. The GCJ version is probably intended for distributions that don't easily support java.
[10:38] <jscinoz> isnt GCJ faster as its native coding?
[10:40] <ggilbert> I couldn't tell you if it makes much difference without actually testing the app.
[10:41] <jscinoz> oh
[10:42] <jscinoz> is it just me or is the new displayconfig-gtk broken?
[10:46] <jscinoz_> alright then
[10:46] <jscinoz_> displayconfig-gtk hung my system
[10:53] <UNDERsoN> will be X.Org 7.3 in 7.10 or not?
[10:55] <UNDERsoN> I've seen in daily build X.org 7.2 but 7.3 was released. So who can comment situation with X.org version in Ubuntu 7.10?
[11:04] <UNDERsoN> Who know about plans for X.org in 7.10 release?
[11:15] <Amaranth> UNDERsoN: what you see is what you get
[11:16] <UNDERsoN> And what about GUI for VPN in 7.10?
[11:36] <jscinoz_> hey guys i'm making a deb package of an application i found, where should i put the file for its menu entry /usr/share/menu?
[11:46] <matsalka> hi, can someone maybe tell me why one of my drives suddently disappeared?
[11:46] <matsalka> it was fine in the morning, but is lost by now
[11:50] <matsalka> mount -a tells me this:
[11:50] <matsalka> Failed to access '/dev/disk/by-uuid/2044722B447203B6': No such file or directory
[11:51] <matsalka> this supposed to be the UUID of this drive
[11:51] <Tomcat_> Check with gparted/blkid/parted/fdisk if the drive/partition is still there.
[11:53] <Raiders32> where can I find a list of improvements/enhancements that are expected with Gutsy?
[11:53] <matsalka> gparted says drive unallocated, partition tables problem?
[11:54] <Tomcat_> Sounds bad. :\
[11:54] <Tomcat_> Try a cold reboot.
[11:54] <piti> Hi. I have trouble with libXdamage.so.1 which is required by some applications, present on my system, but they can't find it ... thanks
[11:54] <Tomcat_> Maybe just a glitch.
[11:55] <matsalka> did that before, didn't help :/
[11:55] <matsalka> Unable to open /dev/sdb - unrecognised disk label. said gparted when started from terminal
[11:57] <matsalka> same with parted
[11:59] <matsalka> fdisk -l  ---> Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
[12:00] <matsalka> maybe if i boot to windows once?
[12:00] <matsalka> better than nothing
[12:06] <piti> I have this output : libXdamage.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory , but this file is here : /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1 do the programs search in an other directory ?
[12:16] <jscinoz_> hey guys i'm making a deb package of an application i found, where should i put the file for its menu entry /usr/share/menu?
[12:25] <larsemil> anyone got a nice mirror for tribe 5? the ubuntu one is giving me incredible speed of 15kb
[12:27] <larsemil> ah found one on gnome.org
[12:57] <matsalka> Tomcat_, even windows didn't reconize it first, after second reboot it showed up in windows and when i came back to ubuntu. everything seems fine
[12:57] <matsalka> i just can't figure out why did it disappear
[12:58] <matsalka> pc was idle and no one even didn't touch it
[01:02] <Tomcat_> matsalka: You could listen to it and see if it spins up correctly on boot... maybe it's too slow. That's an indication that it will break *soon*. So make backups.
[01:02] <matsalka> only music there :/
[01:02] <harmental> hey guys...ive just upgraded to gutsy...i works great....there is just this thing that is bothering me....I have a process called udevd thats taking 60% of my proc capacity all the time! i know its related to hotplug devices (i have an external usbdisk) but it doesnt sound right to me....any ideas?
[01:04] <matsalka> i don't know if i heard right, but i think this drive started after i got into windows
[01:04] <matsalka> before that it wasn't even spinning
[01:05] <matsalka> but i may be wrong, because my tv was quite loud
[01:05] <matsalka> it's quite old tho
[01:37] <kousotu> I;m having some major freeze-upswith ubufox
[01:38] <kousotu> how would I got about fixng them?
[01:45] <Pici> kousotu: Are you sure that its ubufox?
[01:47] <kousotu> it's the installed firefox
[01:47] <kousotu> the default oe
[01:47] <kousotu> one*
[01:49] <Pici> ubufox is just an extension to firefox.
[01:54] <kousotu> oh..
[01:54] <kousotu> well, um.. it is firefox that freezes
[01:54] <kousotu> I thought it was called ubufox
[01:55] <Pici> Ubufox only provides the functionality of installing firefox extensions from canonical
[01:56] <kousotu> ok, well thanks for the clarification
[01:56] <kousotu> but I do mean the browser itself
[01:57] <Tomcat_> The easiest way is to rename ~/.mozilla to something else.
[01:57] <kousotu> reinstalling it did nothing
[01:57] <Tomcat_> And create a new profile.
[01:57] <Tomcat_> Eh.. weird.
[01:57] <Tomcat_> In that case, obtain a stack trace and file a bug report.
[01:57] <Tomcat_> Might be something bigger.
[01:57] <Pici> kousotu: Did your bookmarks dissapear when you reinstalled?
[01:58] <kousotu> no
[01:58] <kousotu> but it didn't seem ohelp either,,
[01:58] <Pici> kousotu: Okay, then you need to do a purge when your remove firefox, or just delete your ~/.mozilla/ folder
[01:59] <Tomcat_> Pici: Purge doesn't remove ~/.mozilla
[01:59] <Pici> Tomcat_: It doesnt? Thats silly.
[01:59] <Tomcat_> So renaming or deleting ~/.mozilla is the right course.
[01:59] <Tomcat_> Pici: It would be a bit dangerous to just delete stuff from peoples' homes I guess... :)
[02:00] <Pici> Tomcat_: Perhaps I'm incorrectly assuming that they'd know enough to backup their settings.
[02:01] <Tomcat_> Pici: You mean you expect people to backup their settings in case the sysadmin decides to remove some software which will result in a deletion of personal files? :)
[02:03] <Pici> Tomcat_: I was referring to asking people to delete files in home. I think I miss-interpreted your comment.
[02:04] <Tomcat_> Ah. Alright. Hehe. :)
[02:04] <Tomcat_> With that I can fully agree.
[02:08] <kousotu> Pici: I reinstalled, not purged
[02:08] <kousotu> and for the record, so does that other browser
[02:08] <slytherin> Is anybody having video playing problems with ati free drivers?
[02:10] <kousotu> slytherin: what player?
[02:11] <slytherin> kousotu: totem doesn't show video. It only plays sound. Also in mplayer 'xv' output doesn't work.
[02:11] <Pici> If more than one browser if freezing on you, you have a bigger problem.
[02:16] <kousotu> slytherin: try vlc
[02:17] <kousotu> Pici: emph.. (w/e) only has problems with flash though
[02:18] <slytherin> kousotu: That is not the solution.
[02:18] <kousotu> slytherin: I have the least ammount of plablems with vlc
[02:19] <kousotu> slytherin: just thought I'd give my inout
[02:19] <kousotu> input*
[02:19] <slytherin> kousotu: If something was working till tribe 1 and started failing around tribe 4 then it is regression. But since I don't have access to webmail from office and no net at home, I wanted to know if anyone can confirm my bug. :-)
[02:21] <kousotu> slytherin: my appologies, todem doesn't even open for me
[02:22] <slytherin> kousotu: Then that is a bug. :-)
[02:23] <kousotu> slytherin: but it seems to only happen to me, and I do;t really care about todem antway
[02:25] <slytherin> kousotu: Still you should file a bug, because it is default media player. And if the problem is critical then it should get fixed.
[02:25] <slytherin> kousotu: Have you tried launching it from terminal?
[02:25] <kousotu> you can lauch todem from terminal?
[02:25] <kousotu> lol
[02:26] <slytherin> kousotu: I mean from gnome-terminal when you are logged in to GUI
[02:26] <kousotu> I;m on X right now
[02:31] <Hobbsee> hi kousotu
[02:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:33] <Pici> kousotu: There isn't any way your problems are going to be fixed if you refuse to log bugs for them. And saying that you dont care that programX doesnt run is not very fair to anyone who is expecting a stable release.
[02:33] <slytherin> Pici: +1
[02:33] <kousotu> Pici: again, they all say it's simply MY fault
[02:34] <slytherin> kousotu: they who?
[02:34] <kousotu> and how do you report a bug about a program when you can't launch the program to report the bug?
[02:34] <kousotu> slytherin: various people
[02:34] <slytherin> kousotu: That is why I asked you what happens when you type totem in terminal and press enter
[02:34] <kousotu> hello Hobbsee
[02:36] <Hobbsee> kousotu: then you go to the website and file it.  bugs existed before apport, you know
[02:36] <kousotu> I did lol
[02:37] <Pici> kousotu: link?
[02:37] <kousotu> well, I didn;t on todem because I said it was "my fault"
[02:38] <slytherin> Hobbsee: give me half an hour. :-)
[02:38] <kousotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/137952
[02:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137952 in firefox "web pages freeze firefox?" [Undecided,New] 
[02:38] <kousotu> that's the ff one
[02:38] <Pici> How is it your fault?
[02:38] <kousotu> althought that's obvious lol
[02:38] <Hobbsee> kousotu: might be helpful if you actually put which webpage it si, in the topic of the bug.
[02:38] <kousotu> Pici: I don;t know, ask the people who said it
[02:39] <kousotu> Hobbsee: no specific site does it
[02:39] <Pici> kousotu: I'm not psychic, I have no idea what you are talking about.
[02:39] <Dannilion> If you point me to instructions for bug triaging, I shall help
[02:39] <kousotu> hotmail (old) did it, gaiaonline did it, league-online did it, itc
[02:40] <Hobbsee> kousotu: you havent mentioned on the bug if you're using gnash or flashplugin-nonfree.
[02:40] <kousotu> [07:23]  <kousotu> slytherin: but it seems to only happen to me, and I do;t really care about todem antway
[02:40] <kousotu> oops...
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Dannilion: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs should help
[02:40] <kousotu> I'm using flash
[02:40] <Hobbsee> kousotu: <duh>.  which flash?
[02:40] <Dannilion> thank you :)
[02:40] <kousotu> flashplugin-nonfree
[02:40] <Pici> kousotu: How can you be sure that your bug only occurs on your computer??
[02:41] <kousotu> Pici: with todem I was TOLD that
[02:41] <Hobbsee> kousotu: and does it still happen if you move .firefox/ and .mozilla-firefox/ out of the way
[02:41] <kousotu> Hobbsee: never tried
[02:41] <Hobbsee> kousotu: well, try next time, before you file the bug.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> the bugsquad is not psychic, and your bug is likely to be closed due to lack of info.
[02:42] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I didn;t do anythig out of the norm
[02:42] <Hobbsee> you've got extensions installed.
[02:42] <kousotu> in fact, I did less to this one than my windows setup
[02:42] <Hobbsee> some of them can cause crashes.
[02:42] <kousotu> I have a theme, that's all
[02:43] <kousotu> well, 2 themes, but the one was known to crash it and I stopped using it
[02:43] <Hobbsee>  NASA Night Launch and MidnightFox
[02:43] <kousotu> the other one does it at random
[02:43] <kousotu> midnight crashes
[02:43] <kousotu> NASA is fine
[02:43] <Hobbsee> well, it's still listed as being there, so you may want to uninstall it, rather than just disable
[02:43] <kousotu> I use it on windows as well
[02:43] <Hobbsee> this is not windows.
[02:44] <soc> thanks for packaging gimp 2.4!
[02:44] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I;m aware
[02:44] <kousotu> lol
[02:45] <kousotu> Hobbsee: but how could a theme be perfectly fine in windows, but horrible in ubuntu?
[02:46] <kousotu> I hate light themes..
[02:46] <Hobbsee> kousotu: ....because the libraries behind them are different.
[02:47] <kousotu> k
[02:47] <glance> Hellu
[02:47] <glance> I have a strange problem with my graphics-card.
[02:47] <glance> http://www.acc.umu.se/~glance/tmp/dsc00076.jpg
[02:47] <glance> it worked ok in feisty but is looking like that in gutsy
[02:47] <kousotu> do you know of any supported Dark themes doefirefox on ubuntu?
[02:48] <glance> i810 chipset
[02:48] <glance> Anyone seen something simlar?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> none of the other themes are "supported".  you may find some crash, and most dont
[02:48] <Pici> glance: Check launchpad, I saw something about an xorg problem with a black bar, but I dont have the bug number offhand.
[02:48] <kousotu> erg....
[02:49] <glance> Pici: oh, thanks
[02:49] <kousotu> how to I end firefox from terminal?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> killall firefox
[02:49] <mewt> 'gd afternoon
[02:50] <kousotu> still get that it's running...
[02:50] <kousotu> brb
[02:50] <kousotu> gonna reboot
[02:51] <mewt> is it possible to have beagle and tracker running at the same time ?
[02:51] <Tomcat_> mewt: Sure, why not?
[02:51] <slytherin> mewt: It should be possible
[02:51] <mewt> cos first i had trackerd eating my cpu, now i have beagle-build-in eating it
[02:51] <mewt> it's kinda annoying :P
[02:51] <Tomcat_> Hobbsee: killall firefox-bin btw ;)
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Tomcat_: oh, it's firefox-bin, is it?  i never remember, it's my tab completion
[02:52] <mewt> it's getting kinda annoying
[02:52] <mewt> to think i never use search
[02:52] <Hobbsee> just remove both of them?
[02:52] <mewt> shall i do a sudo apt-get remove trackerd beagle ?
[02:52] <slytherin> Hobbsee: Need an advice. There is a bug logged against totem in feisty. But I am having it only in latest gutsy. Say after tribe 4. Should I confirm that bug?
[02:52] <Tomcat_> Hobbsee: Yeah, I sometimes forget as well. But the Ubuntu tab completion makes it really easy to kill stuff. ;D
[02:52] <glance> Pici: i found the forum-thread and the launchpad bug-entry but nothing on whats going on.
[02:53] <Tomcat_> slytherin: If the bug is exactly the same (except for the version) yes.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> slytherin: yeah, and write a comment saying such.
[02:53] <Tomcat_> slytherin: And as Hobbsee said ;)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Tomcat_: it gets more fun when you do some tab completion tweaks
[02:54] <slytherin> Hobbsee: Tomcat_: I have written comment. Can't say if it is exactly same because original reporter didn't provide much info. But problem sounds similar.
[02:54] <Tomcat_> Hobbsee: Like?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> slytherin: should be safe, then.
[02:54] <slytherin> Hobbsee: Tomcat_: Check bug #134370
[02:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134370 in totem "Video dosen't play correctly in Totem" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134370
[02:54] <Tomcat_> slytherin: Good. You could try to debug it further, if you're experienced.
[02:55] <Tomcat_> slytherin: Yeah, that's alright.
[02:55] <slytherin> Tomcat_: Tried all in vein. :-(
[02:55] <Hobbsee> slytherin: set it back to new, then.
[02:55] <Tomcat_> slytherin: Oh btw... I know that problem.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> slytherin: or confirmed
[02:55] <mewt> scrollkeeper-up..any idea what it does ?
[02:56] <slytherin> Tomcat_: Thank god I found at least someone who knows the problem. It is very weird.
[02:57] <Tomcat_> slytherin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/129391
[02:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129391 in totem "cannot see image for some videos only audio" [Medium,Incomplete] 
[02:57] <Tomcat_> I had some bug with it as well... wait.
[02:58] <Tomcat_> slytherin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810/+bug/76866
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 76866 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "No way to get working video with Intel card & AIGLX desktop" [Undecided,New] 
[02:58] <Tomcat_> slytherin: I believe it's the same problem... even on ATI.
[02:58] <slytherin> Tomcat_: I am not using AIGLX.
[02:58] <mattb> anyone know when linux-xen for x86_64 in gutsy will be ready?
[02:58] <mattb> bug #132726, says the new package uploaded 9 hours ago should provide it, but launchpad says that's built and there is still no -xen image for x86_64...
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132726 in linux-source-2.6.22 "linux-xen for x86_64" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132726
[02:58] <kousotu> Hobbsee: "after surfing Youtube, sometimes the brower creashes, I expect this as it does the same at times on windows as well" so yes, I'm not saying it's a bug I know about, but I simply put it out there
[02:58] <Tomcat_> slytherin: metacity, no compiz, beryl?
[02:59] <slytherin> Tomcat_: Yes, metacity
[02:59] <Tomcat_> That's... weird.
[02:59] <Tomcat_> Then my problem isn't related.
[02:59] <slytherin> Tomcat_: I know problem with compiz. Only mplayer can play video when using compiz
[02:59] <Hobbsee> kousotu: right, but do you *really* expect that someone will bother to go and track down teh problem, when you've given them almost no info on how to do it?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> kousotu: considering the hundreds of other firefox bugs there, and the thousands of other bugs in launchpad?
[02:59] <Tomcat_> slytherin: Nah, you can change settings in most players to work with compiz.
[02:59] <Tomcat_> slytherin: The defaults just don't work.
[03:00] <kousotu> Hobbsee: on that particualr bit, I can't see a problem
[03:00] <kousotu> but...
[03:00] <slytherin> Tomcat_: Whatever. For now I am looking for w/o compiz playback
[03:00] <kousotu> "I can be one literally any page, and after navigating a while firefox will randomly freeze" this however IS a problem
[03:00] <Hobbsee> kousotu: you need to make sure your bug is good enough for people to even look at it
[03:00] <Hobbsee> kousotu: sure, but random bugs....do you *really* expect people to browse for hours, trying to track them down?
[03:01] <kousotu> um...
[03:01] <kousotu> I usually get it within a few pages
[03:01] <kousotu> so it will either pop up for them or not
[03:01] <Hobbsee> so then why hasnt a whole lot of other people filed it?
[03:01] <kousotu> there's no way to track random events such as this one
[03:02] <Hobbsee> er, havent.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> exactly, which makes them pointless filing until you've figured out what triggers it
[03:02] <kousotu> I don;t know what triggeres it
[03:02] <kousotu> as of right now I'm using the NASA theme, and it's fine
[03:03] <kousotu> I was using the nasa theme the entire time
[03:03] <Hobbsee> then you should probably find out, before filing.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> rather than expecting the bug people do to that for you, remotely.  because they wont.
[03:03] <Pici> kousotu: If you are not willing to do some work in tracking down these bugs, perhaps you should not be running a non-release version of Ubuntu.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> remember, there are way less developers and bug people than users.
[03:04] <kousotu> Pici: I don;t really have much of a choice
[03:04] <Pici> kousotu: And why is that?
[03:04] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I doesn;t happen in any particualr place, it;s hard to track
[03:05] <Hobbsee> kousotu: then track it before filing.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> kousotu: or just dont file it.
[03:05] <kousotu> Pici: because my cards don;t work on Fiesty
[03:05] <slytherin> Tomcat_: bug 129391 seems related. Strange that both are reported against feisty. I only got that problem in gutsy. It might be related to some update. Because the time when it started for the original reporters and me are close (within 1 month period).
[03:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129391 in totem "cannot see image for some videos only audio" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129391
[03:05] <kousotu> Pici: fiesty is HORRIBLE for me, where-as gutsy is mostly ok
[03:06] <Pici> kousotu: I'm sorry to hear that, but you need to stop treating Gutsy as if it was already releaed, we are still trying to fix all the bugs and we can't do that if we dont have enough information.
[03:06] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I wasn;t going to, wanted to try to work it out withsome help but was told to
[03:07] <ikonia> same old story huh kousotu
[03:07] <kousotu> Pici: I treated VIsta RC1 as "released" now that was a mistake I leaned from
[03:07] <kousotu> shut up ikonia
[03:07] <Hobbsee> kousotu: which would be because people expected you to have tried to track down the problem yourself, and at least know how to file a good bug.
[03:07] <ikonia> ?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ikonia: you're not helping.
[03:08] <ikonia> fair enough
[03:09] <kousotu> where would konvesation store logs?
[03:09] <ikonia> its in your home dir under a . directory as I recall
[03:09] <ikonia> .konversation or something like that
[03:10] <ikonia> I'm not sure logging is turned on by default though
[03:10] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[03:10] <ikonia> actually, do you mean conversation logs or application logs
[03:10] <ikonia> sorry, I should clarify
[03:10] <contrast83> Has anyoe had any luck getting dial-up on a winmodem to work in Gutsy? I keep getting "no carrier" when I try to dial in.
[03:11] <mewt> if i make OOo stop using java, what effect will it have ?
[03:11] <ikonia> mewt: functionality that wants java won't run
[03:11] <mewt> ikonia, can you give an example ?
[03:11] <ikonia> contrast83: do you heara dial tone through your speakers
[03:11] <ikonia> mewt: sure
[03:11] <Hobbsee> kousotu: ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs
[03:11] <contrast83> ikonia: No.
[03:11] <mewt> ikonia, I just disabled it to increase loading time, I just wanted to know what im gonna lose over all
[03:11] <Hobbsee> kousotu: look in settings, configure konversation, logging tab.
[03:12] <contrast83> It says "no carrier" before it even tries to dial.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ikonia: it logs by default
[03:12] <ikonia> Hobbsee: is that a recenty change say 7.04 ?
[03:12] <ikonia> kousotu or has it always been that way
[03:12] <ikonia> (I'm not a kde user)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ti's always been that way
[03:12] <ikonia> mewt I wouldn't recommend that sort of approach in general.
[03:12] <mewt> mm ic
[03:13] <ikonia> Hobbsee the only reason I wasn't sure was because people in the past have complained about it not logging in the past, so they must have chosen to disable it, I assume
[03:13] <mewt> ikonia, I never thought that OOo took too long to load..Was just curios why a lot of ppl complain of that
[03:13] <ikonia> mewt if your comfortable with the load times, I suggest you leave it alone
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ikonia: i dont think so.  unless upstream has changed that setting
[03:13] <mewt> ikonia, Kudos on that
[03:14] <ikonia> Hobbsee I'm not a regular kde user, I'm very rusty with it, so your probably right any how
[03:15] <kousotu> [Fri Sep 7 2007]  [06:57:09]  <kousotu>	reinstalling it did nothing
[03:15] <kousotu> [Fri Sep 7 2007]  [06:57:12]  <Tomcat_>	And create a new profile.
[03:15] <kousotu> [Fri Sep 7 2007]  [06:57:22]  <Tomcat_>	Eh.. weird.
[03:15] <kousotu> [Fri Sep 7 2007]  [06:57:32]  <Tomcat_>	In that case, obtain a stack trace and file a bug report.
[03:15] <kousotu> [Fri Sep 7 2007]  [06:57:40]  <Tomcat_>	Might be something bigger.
[03:15] <ikonia> kousotu: you may find the pastebin a better way to share info so it doesn't flood the screen, or scroll off and people can see it
[03:16] <Hobbsee> so 'strace firefox', go browsing, and see what logs you get.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> kousotu: note the order of that, though.  obtain the trace first, *then* file a bug report.
[03:16] <ikonia> kousotu: where you not complaining about a firefox crash earlier, and you where advised to run it from the command line to get the basic loading output ?
[03:17] <kousotu> ikonia: no
[03:17] <kousotu> ikonia: I was advised o run TODEM
[03:17] <andre_pl> i just did the upgrade to gutsy and X Wont start, I get the X cursor and the screen keeps flickering, but nothing ever happens.  anyone seen this?
[03:17] <ikonia> todem ?
[03:17] <Pici> kousotu: huh?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> kousotu: the same logic applies to firefox.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> kousotu: it's basic debugging
[03:17] <ikonia> just launch firefox from the command line and watch what loads and any errors/warnings
[03:17] <kousotu> ikonia: keep your nose out of things when you don't even have your facts straight
[03:18] <ikonia> ?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ...
[03:18] <ikonia> this is a development channel, your asking for help ?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ikonia: is right there.  kousotu, you need to learn basic debugging.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> you *really* should not be running gutsy
[03:18] <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ ./firefox
[03:18] <kousotu> bash: ./firefox: No such file or directory
[03:18] <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ firefox
[03:18] <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$
[03:18] <ikonia> loads of people have had that conversation with kousotu before,
[03:18] <ikonia> kousotu: thats not how you launch firefox
[03:18] <ikonia> its not in your home dir
[03:19] <Hobbsee> ikonia: the second half is right
[03:19] <ikonia> its in /usr/bin from memory
[03:19] <Hobbsee> ikonia: /usr/bin is in path, so typing fire<tab> will bring it up
[03:19] <ikonia> Hobbsee not quite close enough
[03:19] <ikonia> Hobbsee yeah, totally
[03:19] <ikonia> Hobbsee hence ./ is not going to work
[03:19] <kousotu> ....
[03:19] <kousotu> [08:18]  <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ firefox
[03:19] <kousotu> [08:18]  <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$
[03:19] <Hobbsee> true, hence i said the second half is right, with the inference that the first half is not.
[03:19] <ikonia> but from other problems kousotu has had I know his path sometimes gets borked
[03:19] <Hobbsee> kousotu: okay, so strace it instead
[03:19] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ah right.   weird.
[03:20] <ikonia> kousotu: you didn't get a load of text scrolling when you launched firefox ?
[03:20] <kousotu> no
[03:20] <ikonia> thats quite odd
[03:20] <kousotu> !paste
[03:20] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:21] <kousotu> thie strace: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36685/
[03:21] <andre_pl> can anyone help me figure out where things are going wrong here?  the Xorg log doesn't show any errors, its like it starts up and then shuts itself down for 5 seconds, then tries to re-dect the refresh-rate etc and starts the process all over again
[03:21] <kousotu> the*
[03:22] <ikonia> andre_pl: let it mess around with its self for 5 minutes and it will do a fatal error if it can't find a usable screen
[03:22] <ikonia> andre_pl: then check the X.0.log in /var/log
[03:22] <andre_pl> ikonia: I let it go for at least 5 minutes, it doesn't give any sort of error because it DOES find a usable screen. the problem is something else.
[03:22] <ikonia> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36685/
[03:22] <ikonia> oops
[03:22] <Hobbsee> ikonia: firefox shouldnt spew info to the console, btw
[03:22] <kousotu> lol
[03:23] <ikonia> access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ikonia: normally
[03:23] <ikonia> not a great start
[03:23] <andre_pl> i get the x cursor and everything.
[03:23] <ikonia> Hobbsee: you normally get the font warnings though unless you have every font on the planet installed
[03:23] <kousotu> I have over 6k installed
[03:23] <kousotu> lol
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ikonia: hm, i dont.
[03:24] <andre_pl> its like it has nothing to run in the X Session so it just shuts itself down
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ikonia: i thought it was bad practice to spew to the console :P
[03:24] <ikonia> Hobbsee I suspect your box is setup resonably tidy though
[03:24] <ikonia> Hobbsee it is VERY bad
[03:24] <mewt> andre_pl, have you tried issuing a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart from terminal ?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ikonia: hmm.  yeah, reasonably.  i dont tend to dist-upgrade it
[03:24] <mewt> Eq|work, bored at work ?
[03:24] <andre_pl> yes, a few times'
[03:24] <andre_pl> same thing
[03:25] <Eq|work> nah, not really.. just relaxing a bit. and somewhat tired.
[03:25] <ikonia> andre_pl do you get a login prompt ?
[03:25] <kousotu> I fo have another issue, but I don;t even think I should bother asking about it
[03:25] <kousotu> do*
[03:25] <mewt> Eq|work, i just finished work, hell of a day, now i have to start studying again..have an exam in 2 days
[03:26] <ikonia> kousotu: its interesting what its looking for in your home dir
[03:26] <ikonia> in the .mozilla dir
[03:26] <andre_pl> no, nothing but a black screen with an X Curor, it lasts about 10 seconds then it stops
[03:26] <kousotu> ?
[03:26] <andre_pl> And gdm wont die!
[03:26] <ikonia> andre_pl check the gdm.log in /var/log
[03:26] <kousotu> what is it looking for?
[03:26] <ikonia> andre_pl: sounds like its constantly respawning
[03:26] <ikonia> andre_pl remove it from the default run level and start it manually see what happens
[03:26] <ikonia> and check the gdm logs
[03:26] <kousotu> tat64("/home/kousotu", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0 < ?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ikonia: i'm getting that as well - but with S* instead of K*
[03:26] <andre_pl> i think its done now.... stopping gdm wont help, I need to ctrl+alt+bkspc when X is running
[03:27] <ikonia> Hobbsee just doing a little research on it now
[03:27] <ikonia> Hobbsee are you using gusty too
[03:27] <andre_pl> ah, gdm complains about the nvidia driver
[03:28] <ikonia> Hobbsee: it appears to what a start "S" or shut down "K" script /file in a legacy init style
[03:28] <ikonia> not sure what thats all about
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ikonia: yes...but i'm unsure why
[03:28] <ikonia> possibly just a warning
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ikonia: uh, i've been using gutsy since UDS.
[03:28] <kousotu> wait, what it it looking forin my /home dir?
[03:28] <ikonia> I don't see that in a 7.0.4 box
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ie, early may
[03:28] <dfgas> hmmm tribe 6
[03:28] <ikonia> Hobbsee I've not got a gusty desktop to hand so can't check that
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:29] <ikonia> Hobbsee but I'm not seeing it on a fesity box
[03:29] <Hobbsee> i found that i wasnt actually uploading stuff and fixing bugs if i wasnt running the development release
[03:29] <ikonia> I agree, I have gusty at home but I'm in the office now
[03:29] <andre_pl> nvidia-glx is already the latest version. but thats the only error in the gdm log
[03:29] <ikonia> I'll research that init stuff tonight and see what its all about, thats interesting
[03:29] <ikonia> I think its probably just a warning
[03:30] <ikonia> rather than fatal
[03:30] <kousotu> Hobbsee: it's good pratice to run beta to fix it
[03:30] <kousotu> Hobbsee: but definatly not to make it lol
[03:30] <Hobbsee> depends if you knwo, at least vaugely, what you're doing.
[03:31] <mewt> andre_pl, what error exactly ?
[03:31] <ikonia> Hobbsee: it actually is doing a chdir
[03:31] <ikonia> that surprising
[03:31] <andre_pl> failed to load GLX Extension, no compatible nvidia driver found
[03:31] <Hobbsee> what's chdir?  i was assuming that is a check directory
[03:31] <kousotu> Hobbsee: true..
[03:31] <mewt> reinstall nvidia then
[03:31] <andre_pl> lol
[03:31] <mewt> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:31] <kousotu> andre_pl: what nvidia card?
[03:32] <andre_pl> mewt i did, it ays its already the newest version
[03:32] <andre_pl> its a 7600 GO
[03:32] <mewt> you need nvidia-glx-new afaik for that, anyone can confirm that please ?
[03:32] <kousotu> might want to try nvidia-glx-new
[03:32] <kousotu> lol
[03:32] <mewt> remove the old one before
[03:32] <Pici> fyi, an strace of firefox probably wont work properly. At least if you arent following forks.
[03:33] <Pici> s/work properly/return what you expect
[03:33] <ikonia> Hobbsee change dir
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Pici: oh, darn.  i'm not great on stracing and such.
[03:33] <andre_pl> I've never had to use -new before
[03:33] <Hobbsee> ikonia: oh, right.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> that's logical
[03:33] <ikonia> Pici ahhh good call, it calls about 3 children
[03:33] <Pici> ikonia: yes, including firefox-bin which is what is the important part.
[03:34] <ikonia> Pici exactly, well corrected
[03:34] <ikonia> totally slipped past me
[03:36] <andre_pl> mewt: same error with nvidia-glx-new
[03:36] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I'll be completely honest, I don;t know squat lol
[03:36] <andre_pl> hang on... ap-get upgrade wants to install 360 packages.
[03:36] <kousotu> Hobbsee: but I;m learning, and that's what counts
[03:36] <Hobbsee> kousotu: true, but would you prefer people fixing bugs, or looking at dodgy bugs like yours, and not spending the time on fixing them?
[03:37] <ikonia> kousotu a dev distro isn't the best place to learn
[03:37] <Hobbsee> er, on fixing other bugs
[03:37] <ikonia> ubuntu is a cracking place to learn because of the size of the community to assist you
[03:37] <kousotu> ikonia: you know a STABLE one whatworks on a brand new laptop?
[03:37] <ikonia> the dev one isn't as its a moving target
[03:37] <ikonia> Ubuntu Gesity
[03:37] <ikonia> oops
[03:37] <ikonia> Fesity ?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> you lose at spelling, ikonia
[03:37] <andre_pl> feisty
[03:38] <andre_pl> :D
[03:38] <ikonia> Hobbsee I lose at typing surly
[03:38] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:38] <ikonia> although spelling isn't much better being honest
[03:38] <kousotu> ikonia: [08:05]  <kousotu> Pici: because my cards don;t work on Fiesty
[03:38] <kousotu> learn to read
[03:39] <ikonia> I wasn't in the channel
[03:39] <ikonia> please drop the attitude
[03:39] <ikonia> which cards don't work ?
[03:40] <kousotu> all of them..
[03:40] <kousotu> it runs horrbly
[03:40] <mewt> kousotu, mate, all the people here help cos they want to, stop treating everyone like it's their duty to do so
[03:40] <ikonia> hang on "cards don't work - all of them" is not a "bug"
[03:41] <ikonia> whats the problem, does it run/not run, what error what doesn't
[03:41] <kousotu> ikonia: it runs at a very basic level
[03:41] <ikonia> define very basic level
[03:41] <kousotu> and sound doesn;t work
[03:41] <ikonia> ok - so thats one, your sound isn't running
[03:41] <kousotu> and effects don;t work
[03:41] <ikonia> what else
[03:41] <ikonia> define effects, as in desktop-effects ?
[03:41] <Pici> kousotu: What video card?
[03:42] <kousotu> intel gfx accel. 950
[03:42] <ikonia> ahh ok, so an onboard
[03:42] <ikonia> so thats not a problem, but it also may run desktop effects badly as its underpowered
[03:42] <kousotu> ikonia: laptop, everything is built in
[03:42] <ikonia> kousotu thats not what I meant by onboard, but ok
[03:43] <kousotu> ikonia: lol well do explain?
[03:43] <ikonia> a graphics card that is onboard as part of the chipset or an external graphics card thats 3rd party
[03:43] <ikonia> not external as out of the chassis
[03:44] <ikonia> so ok, thats the video card as a minor problem, anything else ?
[03:44] <kousotu> um...
[03:44] <kousotu> donno..
[03:44] <ikonia> great.
[03:45] <kousotu> I ran it for about 4 horus and hated the way it felt
[03:45] <ikonia> I suggest you use fesity and use these problems as a way to learn about ubuntu and linux in general
[03:45] <ikonia> 4 hours and you swapped to a development distro
[03:45] <ikonia> I'd advise you to go back to using fesity
[03:45] <mewt> 4 hours aint nothing if you wanna fix your linux and learn from it...
[03:45] <kousotu> ten I switched to gutsy t3 and have liked how guts trated me sense
[03:45] <ikonia> and work through the problems
[03:45] <kousotu> since*
[03:45] <ikonia> kousotu you've had nothing but problems with gusty hence why I said "same old same old"
[03:46] <kousotu> ikonia: no, at large it works well
[03:46] <kousotu> I do have roblems, yes.
[03:46] <ikonia> your request for help on bugs suggests other wise, but if your comfortable with that
[03:46] <kousotu> but those are mostly due to linux noobness
[03:47] <ikonia> do what you feel appropriate, but you risk alienting people running a development distro with very limited skills
[03:47] <ikonia> I'd advise fesity as a learning tool, fixing your sound and video card issues will teach you a lot
[03:47] <kousotu> ikonia: best way to learn, isn;t it?
[03:47] <ikonia> no
[03:47] <ikonia> terrible way to learn and a great way to frustrate skilled people giving their time
[03:48] <kousotu> your opinion, not mine
[03:48] <ikonia> read the topic - and you'll see its pretty much the opinion and guideence of the ubuntu community
[03:48] <kousotu> yes, I agree it;s fustrating
[03:48] <andre_pl> lol, your opinion doesn't matter when we're talking about wasting other people time.
[03:48] <andre_pl> jsut my 2c
[03:48] <ikonia> well, I suggest we go back to fixing issues rather than trying to beat our heads against a brick wall
[03:48] <kousotu> but you can;t sait and say that I;m here with bugs 24/7
[03:48] <andre_pl> I'm out. thanks for the help mewt and ikonia i'll let you now how it goes.
[03:49] <ikonia> andre_pl: welcome
[03:49] <kousotu> in fact, I rarely have problems which need to be handled by someone else
[03:50] <kousotu> mostly I ask for help on terminal commands, as I know none of them
[03:50] <kousotu> I tried to work from a shell, but my friend deleted his shell service
[03:50] <kousotu> so I was back to square 1
[03:51] <mewt> kousotu, bottom line is that tribe 5 comes with a great notice how it has bugs all over th place and it's not stable yet..if you dunno how to use the command line atleast a bit, your gonna have problems then
[03:51] <kousotu> now if you REALY want to get into 24/7 bugs, take a Emachine T2240 and but Redhat 9 on it
[03:51] <ikonia> we don't - this is an ubuntu development channel
[03:51] <ikonia> not your linux learning channel
[03:52] <kousotu> yea, yea, yea....
[03:52] <Eq|work> kousotu : if you're trying to get help with commands, this is NOT the right channel
[03:53] <kousotu> I go in ubuntu, get bitchedat to come here
[03:53] <Pici> !ohmy | kousotu
[03:53] <ubotu> kousotu: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:53] <Eq|work> then don't mention you're running gutsy
[03:53] <kousotu> simply bucause I'm running this vrsion of it
[03:53] <Eq|work> tell them you're looking for help with such and such command
[03:53] <mewt> kousotu, and with an attitude like that you wont go no for in any other channel
[03:53] <Eq|work> the version of ubuntu is irrelevant.
[03:53] <kousotu> Eq|work: that's kind of hardconsidering theysay "what are you running?" I'm not going to lie
[03:54] <kousotu> and I have said that
[03:54] <kousotu> they refuseto help otherwise
[03:54] <Eq|work> which is why you say "i need help with doing this: *description of what you're trying to do*"
[03:54] <Eq|work> then try #linux
[03:54] <ikonia> nice call
[03:55] <Eq|work> this chan is for working on issues with gutsy. things that are known as bugs. not for helping people learn how to use it, or any other distro.
[03:55] <Eq|work> if you aren't familiar with linux on a gui AND console level, you shouldn't be running a development version.
[03:55] <Eq|work> and that's that.
[03:56] <kousotu> Eq|work: like I said before, I would run fiesty if it felt at all welcoming
[03:56] <ikonia> kousotu: learn how to fix your two very minor issues
[03:56] <kousotu> ikonia: they arn;t minor issues to me
[03:57] <kousotu> I hace windows, and make it feel how I want it to
[03:57] <mewt> kousotu, learn how to make it welcoming
[03:57] <ikonia> no, but if you work it through with people you'll learn how and why to fix it
[03:57] <kousotu> hack*
[03:58] <kousotu> ikonia: and just what do you think I;m TRYIN to do?
[03:58] <ikonia> your learning in the wrong place though
[03:58] <Eq|work> kousotu : the point is that this channel is NOT the channel to do it
[03:58] <ikonia> a stable supportd distro is the right place to learn
[03:58] <Hobbsee> people, just refuse to help kousotu if you wish, and make him learn to use google.
[03:58] <ikonia> bugs from a new user in here waste time as it is mostly user error
[03:58] <ikonia> Hobbsee thank you
[03:59] <kousotu> ...
[03:59] <Hobbsee> kousotu: oh, and please *dont* file bugs if you dont knwo what you're doing.  like at the moment.
[03:59] <mewt> remember folks! Google is your friend! (www.google.com/linux for added penguim love!)
[03:59] <ikonia> kousotu: install feisty and bob into #ubuntu and people will help you work it through
[03:59] <ikonia> kousotu: I'll even help you work it thorugh
[04:01] <kousotu> forget linux then, I'll stay on windoswhere I now EVEYTHING inside and out
[04:01] <ikonia> ok
[04:01] <ikonia> bye
[04:01] <kousotu> here I was trying to learn, and enjoying working with linux, but alI get is static
[04:02] <mewt> kousotu, i promise you, you don't know windows inside out at all :)
[04:02] <ikonia> don't feed the troll
[04:02] <Hobbsee> kousotu: what id' suggest you do is come back when gutsy is released.
[04:02] <kousotu> mewt: I know 99.9% of windows so well here isn't onething I couuldn't nodify
[04:03] <kousotu> Hobbsee: gutst is 90% stable fir me
[04:03] <Hobbsee> ikonia: be nice.
[04:03] <ikonia> it was meant nice, as in don't bait
[04:03] <ikonia> perhaps bad phrasing
[04:03] <kousotu> Hobbsee: fiesty is far less stable on this laptop
[04:04] <ikonia> kousotu: its not, if you install it I'll help you sort it out and you may learn something
[04:04] <Hobbsee> so it seems, but gutsy does break, adn you need to know vaguely what you're doing, as the support for gutsy is not the same as the support for feisty
[04:04] <kousotu> hence the reason for instaling Gutsy in th first place
[04:04] <ikonia> you have 2 minor problems with fesity, straight forward to fix by the sounds of them, if you install it I'll help you fix them and explain why/how to fix them
[04:04] <Hobbsee> it's weird.  a lot more people have been installing gutsy this time, as it works better than feisty
[04:04] <ikonia> then you'll understand
[04:05] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I know most of the basics of what I am doing
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ikonia: sound is not straight forward to fix...
[04:05] <ikonia> Hobbsee: no, it can be a fighter depending on the card, but its normally do-able
[04:05] <ikonia> kousotu: being honest, you don't have a clue
[04:05] <ikonia> kousotu: get fiesty on and we'll work it through
[04:05] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I could tell you eveything I've installed, all the programs, scriptscommands I've done
[04:06] <ikonia> kousotu: how do you add a user
[04:06] <kousotu> ikonia: I would add it through GUI
[04:06] <ikonia> kousotu: so you don't know the basics
[04:06] <ikonia> kousotu: now install fesity and lets sort you out
[04:06] <kousotu> I know how it's done in windows through command, but I useth GUI for most things
[04:06] <ikonia> and you'll start learning
[04:06] <ikonia> kousotu: knowing things in windows has no relevence
[04:07] <kousotu> ikonia: that's not true
[04:07] <ikonia> I'm offering you personal support to get you moving in the ubuntu world
[04:07] <kousotu> ikonia: I have sed much of my windows know-how in working th linux to find it proving useful
[04:08] <ikonia> kousotu: I'm not interested in your windows abilities
[04:08] <Hobbsee> ikonia: now you're trolling.
[04:08] <ikonia> I'm trying to get you working and learning
[04:08] <Hobbsee> kousotu: is attempting to learn, and you are not helping.
[04:08] <kousotu> ikonia: and you are the last person I'd ask for help, seeing s yuo say literally EVERYTHING is yfault
[04:09] <ikonia> kousotu most of your problems are user error, you admit that yourself
[04:09] <kousotu> ikonia: but not all
[04:09] <ikonia> kousotu thats not a problem, if we work through say fesity you'll pickup the commands and understand why you make the mistakes
[04:09] <kousotu> ikonia: Imay do things in a diferent way than you, but that does not make them wrong
[04:10] <jscinoz> Man i wish gedit had regexp find and replace
[04:10] <ikonia> kousotu you are welcome to do what you want, but I WILL Step in and correct you when you offer wrong/dangeour advice to other users
[04:10] <kousotu> ikonia: you say they are wrong, and I hv the logs to prove it
[04:10] <Hobbsee> sheesh
[04:10] <Hobbsee> but kousotu....you cant expect the same level of feisty help, for gutsy.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> ikonia: help, or leave.
[04:11] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I'm quite aware of that
[04:11] <ikonia> I'm offering help
[04:11] <ikonia> I'm offering one to one help
[04:11] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I have just had a better time with gutsy than fiesty
[04:11] <ShackJack> Hi - my Gutsy is pulling up a "stale" website in the browser... Does anyone here know if Gutsy uses a local DNS cache - and if so how to clear it... Or might this be a router caching issue?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> kousotu: and people are going to expect that you can file bugs, etc, so you'll probably have to ask them what info to provide.
[04:12] <kousotu> Hobbsee: and my wifi is FINALLY working, I don;t want to goreinstallig fiesty when I just get the one key item correct
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hurrah!
[04:12] <kousotu> and my zd1211rw, the hardware is shot
[04:12] <kousotu> I HAVE to use my atheros now
[04:13] <mewt> emerald --replace
[04:13] <mewt> woops, alt-f2 didnt work >.<
[04:13] <kousotu> I did work around it not working in gutsy with madwifi, but I doubt I coud do it again in fiesty
[04:14] <kousotu> and not once did I ask for hep with it
[04:14] <kousotu> I did with fiesty, but got no where
[04:14] <kousotu> I fixed it on gutsy, alone
[04:14] <Eq|work> err.. there are articles in the ubuntu wiki about atheros wifi
[04:15] <Eq|work> it's just a matter of installing the restricted modules
[04:15] <Eq|work> then it just works (tm)
[04:15] <kousotu> Eq|work: I din't use them
[04:15] <Eq|work> you did actually
[04:15] <Eq|work> just by hand
[04:15] <kousotu> no, Idin't
[04:15] <Eq|work> madwifi comes under the restricted modules heading
[04:15] <Eq|work> so you did
[04:15] <Eq|work> by hand
[04:15] <Eq|work> which quite frankly is a bad idea.
[04:15] <kousotu> NO I DIDN'T
[04:15] <Eq|work> ok then, what did you use?
[04:15] <mewt> !caps
[04:15] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[04:15] <kousotu> don;t go teling me what the fuck I did
[04:16] <Eq|work> if you didn't use madwifi?
[04:16] <Pici> !ohmy | kousotu
[04:16] <ubotu> kousotu: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:16] <Hobbsee> people, calm down, or i'll boot *all* of you.
[04:16] <ShackJack> !enter | Oh yeah and...
[04:16] <ubotu> Oh yeah and...: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[04:16] <Hobbsee> for the weekend.
[04:16] <Pici> Perhaps its just time to take a break.
[04:16] <ShackJack> :)
[04:17] <Eq|work> how be you?
[04:17] <kousotu> it's time ppl listen to wht others say
[04:17] <Eq|work> ShackJack : sometimes it's necessary for comprehension.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: not enjoying dealing with the bloodbath in this channel, when i'm trying to get useful stuff done.
[04:17] <Eq|work> kousotu : you're not actually _saying_ anything
[04:17] <kousotu> madwifi doesn;t work with my card
[04:17] <Eq|work> herein lies the problem.
[04:17] <ShackJack> Eq|work: That's what punctuation is for :)
[04:17] <Eq|work> ShackJack : s/comprehension/forcing them to read it/
[04:17] <ShackJack> Anyone on my DNS question - does Ubuntu have a local DNS cache that can be flushed or is that generally kept on the router?
[04:17] <Eq|work> kousotu : so you've used ndiswrapper ?
[04:18] <ikonia> ShackJack what does your reslv.conf and nsswitch.conf say your using
[04:18] <Eq|work> ShackJack : depends on the setup, but afaik it doesn't usually have a local cache
[04:18] <kousotu> I had no chice but to
[04:18] <ikonia> ShackJack: its it website IP's or website "content" thats old
[04:18] <mewt> ShackJack, not that i know of, unless you have named installed
[04:18] <Eq|work> kousotu : and which model is it?
[04:18] <kousotu> AR5007EG
[04:18] <Eq|work> mewt : there are alternatives to bind.
[04:19] <mewt> Eq|work, I don't know of any  meself :) and bind is usually the most commonly used that's why i mentioned that
[04:19] <ShackJack> ikonia: mewt: No, just the default setup - which doesn't have local DNS caching? I don't have access to the system ATM...
[04:19] <stdin> jetsaredim: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe4/Kubuntu#head-cfa1001afadc3e0b752edf84051ef6a84da864a4
[04:19] <Eq|work> mewt : dnscache
[04:19] <Eq|work> sorry, dnsmasq even
[04:19] <ikonia> ShackJack unless you install bind caching name server you'll be using external dns servers out of your control
[04:19] <kousotu> I have my setup fin-tuned on gutsy, not something I ant to try to recreateon fiesty because it will take me weeks to do
[04:19] <ShackJack> ikonia: Or the local router may be caching too, no?
[04:19] <kousotu> an I really don;t have that kind of time
[04:20] <Eq|work> kousotu : ndiswrapper ain't that hard to use.
[04:20] <ikonia> ShackJack they act as your extenral dns server
[04:20] <ikonia> ShackJack: they /can/ act that should ready
[04:20] <ShackJack> K - thanks :)
[04:20] <mewt> ShackJack, an idea, make sure your iptables is allowing dns forwarding requests
[04:20] <ikonia> read even
[04:20] <ShackJack> mewt: Thanx
[04:20] <ikonia> mewt thats not the problem or he'd get no resolution
[04:20] <kousotu> Eq|work: you're talking about a complete newbe here, Ihad lots of issus with it
[04:20] <Eq|work> and they do have quite good instructions on the ndiswrapper site.
[04:20] <Pici> kousotu: Is there anything Gutsy related that we can help you with?
[04:21] <Eq|work> Pici : i suspect that should read 'gutsy-specific'
[04:21] <mewt> ikonia, ah yes sorry, forgot he said a stale site not a no resolution prob
[04:21] <ShackJack> Yeah everythings the default setup... It's just the Windows computer was getting the right site and the Linux one not - the Windows one only after local DNS cache was flushed... Though it mihgt be the same thing on Ubuntu...
[04:21] <Pici> Eq|work: Eh, semantics.
[04:21] <kousotu> Pici: the only problem I'm having is the one with firefox freezing on random pages
[04:21] <Eq|work> ShackJack : install dnstracer ?
[04:21] <kousotu> it wil freeze on any page
[04:21] <ikonia> ShackJack give us a prod when you get back on the box
[04:21] <Pici> kousotu: Hold on a minute, let me get your the correct syntax for doing a trace.
[04:21] <Eq|work> kousotu : are you using the x86 or amd64 version of ubuntu ?
[04:22] <kousotu> i386
[04:22] <kousotu> intel
[04:22] <Eq|work> unusual.
[04:23] <kousotu> Pici: wil do
[04:23] <Eq|work> that said, you do have to remember that things are not guaranteed to be stable on gutsy.. it wasn't that long ago that it went through a period (i've not checked to see if this is still the case) where you couldn't open the preferences window..
[04:23] <jetsaredim> stdin: nice - I just tried running the adept_manager --version-upgrade and it crashed :)
[04:23] <kousotu> Eq|work: it is workingjust fine for me, baring a few minor issues
[04:24] <Pici> kousotu: from a terminal do `strace -f firefox 2> firefox.trace` Then browse until it crashes.  Rememeber that this is essentially logging your firefox session so dont do anything you wouldnt want other people to see ;)
[04:24] <kousotu> such as my firefox issue, and frets of fire not runing
[04:24] <ikonia> kousotu: but that could change tommorow with a new development update
[04:25] <mewt> Pici, lol, there was a post on digg a day ago about someone reporting a bug with totem, the trace gave back that he was watching porn
[04:25] <kousotu> Pici: just what does it log?
[04:25] <kousotu> everything?
[04:25] <Pici> kousotu: Just firefox information it is logging, its quite detailed.  And it will log into ~/firefox.trace
[04:26] <Pici> mewt: I saw that ;)
[04:26] <Eq|work> kousotu : just about, yes.
[04:26] <Eq|work> all urls, and so on
[04:26] <Eq|work> won't log passwords afaik
[04:26] <Eq|work> but i'd suggest just browsing regular sites.
[04:26] <kousotu> Pici: does it keylog firefox, for input on sitesand such?
[04:26] <Pici> kousotu: Its not a keylogger. It might log information you send accross the network, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
[04:26] <ikonia> kousotu: its the system logging it does, whats going in with firefox behind the scense
[04:27] <kousotu> I can always *out stuff I do;t want ppl to see
[04:27] <kousotu> Pici: I'll look at it before I ever make it pubic
[04:28] <ikonia> kousotu: try not to edit it, as it can taint it
[04:28] <ikonia> for example it could be a url string thats making it crash, editing out the url string could make people miss the bug, if you see what I mean
[04:28] <mewt> kousotu, why not just go into firefox, clear all personal data
[04:29] <mewt> then start a new session afresh and log that
[04:29] <kousotu> ikonia: I would not taint it, simply stuf I may not wat seenthat may apear
[04:29] <ikonia> kousotu yes, but removing stuff can tainint it
[04:29] <mewt> just did this to my sudo (http://ubuntu-unleashed.blogspot.com/2007/09/enable-sudo-insults-for-some-laughs.html) hilarious
[04:29] <Pici> kousotu: Just go do some browsing and we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
[04:29] <ikonia> if your visting www.test.com and the phrase "test" causes firefox to crash, if you edit it out, we won't know you visited test.com
[04:30] <ikonia> Pici: fair enough
[04:30] <mewt> mewt@tehgraveyard:~$ sudo gedit
[04:30] <mewt> [sudo]  password for mewt:
[04:30] <mewt> You speak an infinite deal of nothing
[04:30] <mewt> [sudo]  password for mewt:
[04:30] <mewt> This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
[04:30] <mewt> [sudo]  password for mewt:
[04:30] <mewt> What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what?
[04:30] <mewt> sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts
[04:30] <Eq|work> or create a new profile and log that.
[04:30] <mewt> should be standard issue on ubuntu :p
[04:32] <terlmann> lol
[04:32] <terlmann> thats a good one
[04:32] <terlmann> needs more
[04:32] <terlmann> but one problem
[04:32] <terlmann> youll have hundreds of users doing that
[04:32] <terlmann> DELIBERATLY
[04:33] <terlmann> just to read the jokes'
[04:33] <mewt> rorlorlorlr
[04:34] <mewt> terlmann, no harm in that afai can see
[04:34] <terlmann> ehe
[04:34] <Eftarjin> hi
[04:34] <terlmann> hello
[04:34] <terlmann> are you using gutsy ?
[04:35] <Eftarjin> yes
[04:35] <ikonia> kousotu: has it crashed yet ?
[04:35] <terlmann> good ;-)
[04:35] <Eftarjin> no, did not crashed ;)
[04:35] <mewt> Eftarjin, that wasnt mean at you :p
[04:36] <Eftarjin> when i plug an USB disk/key, it doesn't mount automatically, while it did 5 min ago
[04:38] <mewt> Eftarjin, have you tried checking if when you insert it, it mounts in /media/usb0 or not ?
[04:38] <kousotu> no
[04:38] <mewt> also does it appear in /dev as a device ?
[04:38] <Eftarjin> it appears in /dev
[04:38] <terlmann> it should be /dev/sda or /dev/sdb
[04:38] <Eftarjin> but isn't mounted in /media
[04:38] <ikonia> kousotu: curious, does it crash at totally random times / pages eg: after its been on for say 20 minutes, or after its viewed either a certain type of site, or a certain actual site
[04:38] <Eftarjin> i can mount it manually
[04:39] <terlmann> then do sudo mount /dev/devicename /mount/dirname -- assuming you made one
[04:39] <terlmann> to make it automatic
[04:39] <mewt> ikonia, are you suspecting a memory leak ?
[04:39] <terlmann> add it to fstab
[04:39] <ikonia> I've just found a hook in a slightly older version of firefox what long urls with a certain char map locks it in a memory loop
[04:39] <mewt> ikonia, ahh :)
[04:39] <ikonia> mewt not quite, I've just read a slightly older bug and I was curious to its behaviour
[04:39] <Eftarjin> ubuntu used to mount usb things automatically without them being in fstab for years ...
[04:39] <ikonia> it claims to be fixed
[04:40] <ikonia> it looks like its to do with dyamiclly generated urls (forums and the like) that have really long urls
[04:41] <terlmann> smartpm actually works. now all they need is a snazzy interface like synaptic.
[04:41] <terlmann> its looking good
[04:41] <terlmann> huh
[04:41] <kousotu> it;s compleely random, which drives me insane
[04:42] <terlmann> weird bug in konversation just appeared
[04:42] <terlmann> all the names of the channels have been replaced with a single _
[04:42] <mewt> terlmann, what's smartpm ?
[04:42] <terlmann> and me typing that in , that _ , erased half a page of text
[04:42] <ikonia> kousotu ok so no similarities
[04:42] <terlmann> and all the names are gone
[04:43] <terlmann> mewt
[04:43] <terlmann> the smart package manager
[04:43] <terlmann> and somehow when I type messeges now its erasing whole pages of scroolback
[04:43] <terlmann> weird
[04:43] <mewt> terlmann, never used it
[04:43] <terlmann> there it goes again
[04:44] <terlmann> mewt : sudo apt-get install smartpm smartpm-core &&  sudo smartpm --gui
[04:44] <mewt> terlmann, why would i need it though ?
[04:45] <mewt> is it a replacement for synaptic ?
[04:45] <mewt> insatlling anyway
[04:46] <mewt> mm strange
[04:46] <mewt> i followed your command terlmann, but in the end it didnt execute at all
[04:46] <mewt> it said command not found
[04:47] <joq> How do I shrink partitions?
[04:47] <hydrogen> carefully :)
[04:48] <Pici> joq: on Gutsy?
[04:48] <joq> yeah
[04:48] <Pici> joq: Use gparted
[04:49] <joq> I doesn't allow to resize it :P
[04:49] <joq> and I can't unmount
[04:50] <mewt> were are you trying to resize it from ?
[04:50] <mewt> livecd ? or from a live system
[04:50] <stefg> joq: what's the filesystem, and what kkind of files are on there?
[04:51] <joq> it's the main filesystem
[04:51] <stefg> joq: no way of resizing the / .... obviuos, eh?
[04:52] <mewt> is it normal for all the text to disappear
[04:52] <mewt> when you try run blender and it fails
[04:52] <Pici> joq: You cant resize a mounted filesystem.
[04:52] <mewt> wait dont answer :/ need to restart xchat, not seeing the text of anyone
[04:52] <joq> ...I could resize the main partition on Windows XP -_-
[04:53] <joq> ok I'll try with the livecd
[04:53] <stefg> joq: i'd rather do a backup, the recreate the partition (and fix the UUID in /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst). Backips are never useless
[04:53] <Pici> joq: You can run a live-cd and use gparted there, and then resize a partition.
[04:53] <stefg> Backup is still a good idea
[04:54] <stefg> in my experience gParted  has no better than 50:50 chances to succeed
[04:58] <terlmann> does anyone remember when , during the edgy era, systems just would *not* install ? and it would always fail.
[04:59] <terlmann> O now
[04:59] <terlmann> o no
[04:59] <terlmann> all my programs
[04:59] <terlmann> the menu items
[04:59] <terlmann> the menud
[04:59] <terlmann> my system  is going haywire
[05:00] <terlmann> nothing displays
[05:00] <Pici> haywire....
[05:00] <xbisont> terlmann, i remember that, when trying to instal Gutsy tribe 5 and i couldn't
[05:00] <terlmann> ixbisont
[05:00] <terlmann> shut up
[05:00] <terlmann> I was reffering to edgy
[05:00] <terlmann> years ago
[05:00] <terlmann> a stable release , even
[05:01] <Pici> No need for hostility
[05:01] <xbisont> yes, that happened to me with edgy, and now with gutsy
[05:01] <terlmann> no need for idiacy
[05:01] <terlmann> I am refering to a specific issue
[05:01] <terlmann> way back when
[05:01] <terlmann> with distinct and nearly edible sighns
[05:02] <terlmann> sins
[05:02] <terlmann> signs
[05:02] <terlmann> you ran the install wizard, it would get to the point of finishing the formatting, and just as it would begin copying files it would crash. ubiquity that is.
[05:03] <Pici> terlmann: Do you have an issue with Gutsy?
[05:04] <xbisont> Pici, i had that last problem that terlmann described with gutsy
[05:05] <xbisont> i tryed to install 2 times with desktop CD and 2 time with alternate
[05:05] <xbisont> with no internet conection
[05:05] <Pici> xbisont: And what happens?
[05:05] <xbisont> and the installation failed
[05:05] <xbisont> finally
[05:05] <Pici> With an error?
[05:05] <xbisont> with the same desktop CD with internet conection
[05:06] <xbisont> i could install
[05:06] <xbisont> but didn't create the user
[05:06] <xbisont> so i created by hand
[05:06] <kousotu> so far, no crash, slowdown or anything
[05:07] <Pici> xbisont: Did you log a bug for this?
[05:07] <xbisont> now it works fine
[05:07] <xbisont> not yet
[05:09] <xbisont> i guess is something with the intel chipset
[05:09] <pepie34> I found a bug, may be it is a feature but for me it is a bug :)
[05:10] <pepie34> by default when you have fglrx driver for ATI card
[05:10] <pepie34> XGL is start
[05:11] <pepie34> look at /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00xserver-xgl_start-server
[05:11] <mewt> now that REALLY brough the system down and shot it in the back of the head
[05:11] <pepie34> but 1) the package xserver-xgl is not mandatory
[05:11] <pepie34> so you return to the gdm login quicly
[05:12] <pepie34> if you have not install xserver-xgl
[05:12] <mewt> I tried running blender and only a grey screen came up, then when i quit, all text except for a few odd ones vanished from screen and terminal got garbled up
[05:12] <mewt> i tried opening a menu and gdm froze
[05:12] <mewt> when into a terminal
[05:12] <mewt> and type top
[05:13] <pepie34> 2) why need to start xgl automaticly?
[05:13] <mewt> result: system froze totally
[05:14] <mewt> what should i file the bug against ? blender ? or compiz ? or xserver ?
[05:14] <kousotu> Pici: that's just plain odd... now it works fine, and I didn;t change anything
[05:14] <Pici> kousotu: very odd. I guess a watched pot never boils.
[05:15] <kousotu> lol
[05:15] <kousotu> Pici: guess so, watch I close it THEN is crashes
[05:16] <pepie34> To disable XGL you need to edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00xserver-xgl_start-server and add fglrx to the XGL blacklist
[05:17] <kousotu> Pici: how new is ub. studio?
[05:17] <Pici> kousotu: Its existed since about the feisty release.
[05:17] <kousotu> cause I'd have to bug my bro to burn it for me, I can't burn DVDs..
[05:17] <kousotu> erg...
[05:18] <kousotu> so it covers the core of fiesty?
[05:19] <Pici> kousotu: Its just a set of packages for doing AV stuff, plus a different kernel and support for JACK
[05:19] <kousotu> wth is JACK?
[05:20] <Pici> kousotu: a subsystem for doing music production
[05:20] <kousotu> ah...
[05:20] <kousotu> I need eo get some AV creation tools for gutsy
[05:20] <kousotu> lol
[05:21] <kousotu> I like to create AMVs, even if I don't always put them online
[05:22] <kousotu> something simi;ar ti "Vindos Movie Maker"?
[05:22] <kousotu> omg...
[05:22] <kousotu> I hate this thing.
[05:22] <kousotu> something similar to "Vindos Movie Maker"?*
[05:22] <Pici> kousotu: The ubuntustudio packages are part of the official repos as of Gutsy.
[05:22] <kousotu> ah..
[05:23] <kousotu> to you know a similar program?
[05:26] <Pici> kousotu: http://www.linuxalt.com/
[05:30] <terlmann> back up and working
[05:32] <kousotu> Pici: any way to trace shutdown onother prorams as well? such as todem and frets n fire?
[05:32] <kousotu> frets on fire*
[05:34] <Pici> kousotu: just use the same syntax but change the program name and the output file
[05:35] <kousotu> ok, thanks
[05:35] <kousotu> I'll have to dig up the names lol
[05:35] <kousotu> afk
[05:37] <kousotu> Pici: and thanks for the link as well, it wil come in VERY handy
[05:37] <terlmann> fvwm-crystal rocks
[05:38] <terlmann> there is no comparison for 1337 interfaces
[05:39] <emet> I am 1337er then fvwm-crystal
[05:39] <terlmann> well
[05:39] <terlmann> my unicode just broke
[05:39] <terlmann> all over
[05:40] <terlmann> my interface is all "   _    "
[05:40] <terlmann> all _
[05:40] <terlmann> and spaces
[05:40] <terlmann> no names in the channel list
[05:40] <terlmann> no #ubuntu+1 below on the tab
[05:40] <terlmann> just        _
[05:41] <kousotu> terlmann: did you try another channel?
[05:41] <kousotu> oh wait...
[05:42] <terlmann> all channels
[05:42] <terlmann> are like this
[05:42] <terlmann> only the menu at the top and the chat window are visible
[05:42] <terlmann> and buttons
[05:42] <terlmann> and whenever I go to another channel and back , the chat window goes blank
[05:43] <terlmann> I scroll  up and down and it becomes visual again
[05:43] <terlmann> visible *
[05:43] <terlmann> top menu now a gibberish too
[05:44] <terlmann> and the line holding the MOTD is now blank
[05:44] <mewt> what are you using as proggy ?
[05:44] <mewt> xchat ? kopete ?
[05:44] <terlmann> konversation
[05:44] <kousotu> mewt: itsn't "konpete" IM only?
[05:45] <mewt> afaik, you could use it for irc..could be wrong tho
[05:45] <terlmann> killing client and switching to something else
[05:45] <mewt> xchat ftw :)
[05:46] <kousotu> mewt: I HATE xchat
[05:46] <kousotu> lol
[05:46] <matsalka> xchat FTW
[05:47] <mewt> xchat has it all, nice clean classic irc interface
[05:47] <mewt> handy and fast
[05:47] <terlmann> I logged out
[05:47] <terlmann> and into kde
[05:47] <terlmann> I think its time based
[05:47] <terlmann> every five minutes
[05:47] <terlmann> all local-translatable entries go to gibberish
[05:48] <terlmann> and I have to log in again
[05:48] <mewt> so if you manage to make you and your computer travel at the speed of light, you wont encounter the bug anymore :)
[05:48] <terlmann> this couldnt be Nvidia related ?
[05:48] <terlmann> no mewt , I would have it instantly
[05:49] <mewt> 5 minutes would never pass, as you would be in the same place at any point in time, you'de get it instantly if you reach speed of light at the same moment the bug occurs
[05:50] <mewt> any second less, you're safe :) (atleast i guess >.>)
[05:52] <kousotu> mewt: xchat = one server I'm usually on 2
[05:53] <kousotu> anyway...
[05:53] <mewt> kousotu, not true, you can have multiple server tabs
[05:53] <kousotu> came someone look at a trace for Frets on fire?
[05:56] <mewt> kousotu, just a small note, be careful when you express ideas about a program or system without being sure of what the facts really are...other newbies might get the wrong idea about a program which would not be fair at all
[05:56] <hydrogen> konversation > xchat
[05:56] <Pici> !best
[05:57] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[05:57] <hydrogen> right
[05:57] <hydrogen> but there is a better one :)
[06:01] <dfgas> hmmm, upgrade crashes
[06:02] <dfgas> how do i upgrade from 5 to 6?
[06:03] <kousotu> um..
[06:03] <mewt> 5 to 6 of what ?
[06:03] <kousotu> any way to install dependencies for a certain program?
[06:03] <Eq|work> kousotu : install said program using synaptic, or apt-get.
[06:04] <dfgas> tribe 5 to tribe 6
[06:04] <DanaG> WTF?  Can't drag and drop from file-roller to nautilus.
[06:04] <Eq|work> dfgas : just use update manager
[06:04] <dfgas> it crashes
[06:04] <Eq|work> the tribes are merely snapshots in time.
[06:04] <Eq|work> dfgas : sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:06] <Pici> dfgas: see the topic for information about tribe 6
[06:07] <dfgas> is tribe 6 super buggy?
[06:07] <kousotu> Eq|work: I did
[06:08] <Eq|work> kousotu : if you use apt-get or synaptic it should install the dependancies automatically
[06:08] <kousotu> Eq|work: Icould shoy oyu a nearly 50kline error log, or you could trust me that it's still got things missing
[06:08] <Eq|work> if it doesn't, it means the repositories are in a transitory state and you just have to wait.
[06:08] <Eq|work> and apt-get update frequently helps
[06:08] <kousotu> that's odd... befause it worked on tribe 4...
[06:09] <Eq|work> kousotu : repositories in a transitory state - lots of updated packages going on
[06:09] <kousotu> h...
[06:09] <kousotu> ah*
[06:09] <Eq|work> the gutsy repos aren't in as good a condition as the feisty ones.
[06:09] <kousotu> I'll try reinstsalling it
[06:09] <Eq|work> nah
[06:09] <Eq|work> just apt-get update
[06:10] <Eq|work> and then apt-get upgrade
[06:10] <Eq|work> or apt-get -f install
[06:10] <Eq|work> every now and then
[06:10] <Eq|work> things should end up working in a while
[06:10] <Pici> dfgas: Tribe 6 doesnt exist, its just a milestone.
[06:12] <hydrogen> so
[06:12] <kousotu> Eq|work: and I' like tp appologize for blowing up earlier
[06:12] <hydrogen> its less super buggy than tribe5
[06:12] <hydrogen> as some super bugs have been fixed
[06:12] <hydrogen> but other super bugs exist
[06:13] <hydrogen> and some mediocre bugs as well
[06:13] <Eq|work> kousotu : np. some things need to be taken slowly :)
[06:13] <Eq|work> hydrogen : eh?
[06:14] <kousotu> Eq|work: as stupid as it sounds, it seems to have "magically" correted itself
[06:14] <DanaG> !aptitude
[06:14] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[06:14] <sam1338> how do i shorten my lvm /home partition by about 7gb and then create a new 7gb ext3 partition?
[06:15] <kousotu> no if I could get frets working, I'd be 100% in the green :)
[06:15] <DanaG> And it deals with broken stuff decently, too.
[06:16] <kousotu> and how does one go about usig aptitude?
[06:16] <kousotu> lol
[06:17] <mewt> aptitude install <package name>
[06:17] <mewt> :p
[06:18] <stdin> !aptitude
[06:18] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[06:20] <Tm_T> !wajig
[06:20] <ubotu> wajig is a simple tool for basic debian administration. you can handle apt commands, change alternatives defaults and handle service daemons via simple commands. wajig uses sudo every time. http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Wajig_Overview.html
[06:20] <Tm_T> <3
[06:21] <Tm_T> but there's false statement
[06:21] <Tm_T> wajig uses sudo only when its needed
[06:21] <Eq|work> kousotu : imo apt-get is better.. never liked the aptitude ui..
[06:21] <Eq|work> it's like dselect, but broken more.
[06:21] <Eq|work> :P
[06:22] <Tm_T> wajig <3
[06:22] <Eq|work> apt-get + dpkg > *
[06:22] <Tm_T> like apt-get, just bit more
[06:22] <bratsche> Hi, I just did an upgrade to Gutsy and everything works great except my Intel HDA audio.  I have the driver installed to /lib/modules/.../ubuntu/media but for some reason when I try to modprobe it it says snd_hda_intel not found.
[06:22] <mewt> Tm_T, doesnt ubuntu need sudo for anything that's go to do with system administration ?
[06:22] <Eq|work> if you can't do it with super cow powers, then you're not trying hard enough!
[06:22] <Tm_T> mewt: well wajig do a lot more than just administration
[06:22] <Eq|work> mewt : that's what sudo bash is for :P
[06:23] <kousotu> or sudo -i
[06:23] <kousotu> as I like to use
[06:23] <Tm_T> mewt: like, if you just search packages, you just dont need sudo rights
[06:23] <Eq|work> apt-cache search doesn't need sudo..
[06:23] <mewt> Eq|work, i find it a dirty workaround sometimes..either way it's the easiest way when working on a server over ssh
[06:23] <Eq|work> nor does apt-file search
[06:23] <Tm_T> exactly
[06:23] <Tm_T> wajig does those
[06:23] <mewt> ic
[06:23] <Eq|work> Tm_T : so why not just use apt-cache and apt-file in the first place?
[06:24] <Tm_T> Eq|work: because wajig wraps it all under one command?
[06:24] <Eq|work> at a guess, it presents a curses-style ui?
[06:24] <mewt> i just had to do a sudo apt-get install apt-file...that was weird
[06:24] <Eq|work> heh
[06:25] <kousotu> Eq|work: how does one set up wine?
[06:25] <mewt> sudo apt-get install wine
[06:25] <kousotu> I was thinking of doing that for starcraft
[06:25] <mewt> then afaik there is a gui
[06:25] <mewt> to configure it
[06:25] <kousotu> ah.. kewl :)
[06:25] <mewt> atleast i have one
[06:26] <kousotu> is wine similar to a windows vm?
[06:26] <kousotu> of the um... apple native windows XP?
[06:26] <mewt> :S
[06:27] <bratsche> Hi, I just did an upgrade to Gutsy and everything works great except my Intel HDA audio.  I have the driver installed to /lib/modules/.../ubuntu/media but for some reason when I try to modprobe it it says snd_hda_intel not found.
[06:27] <bratsche> Does anyone have any insight about this?
[06:27] <kousotu> bratsche: does ny sond work?
[06:28] <mewt> wb ikonia_
[06:28] <kousotu> sound*
[06:28] <ikonia> thanks
[06:28] <bratsche> Sound does not work.  If I click the muted audio icon in the upper right it gives me a warning that it can't open the sound device or something.
[06:28] <bratsche> If I run alsamixer it says: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[06:29] <jscinoz> Bratsche, i have the same problem, snd-hda-intel + .10kernel + alsa = NO
[06:29] <jscinoz> i've tried everything to get it working, recompiled ALSA from three different sources, still no luck
[06:29] <jscinoz> only choice is to wait for the devs to fix it
[06:29] <bratsche> jscinoz: So just wait it out until it gets fixed?
[06:29] <jscinoz> yep
[06:29] <bratsche> Okay cool.
[06:29] <bratsche> No worries, just wanted to check.
[06:29] <jscinoz> i had OSS working for a while which was better than nothing but now it died too
[06:29] <bratsche> heh
[06:30] <bratsche> Yeah, it won't kill me to be without sound for awhile.  Hopefully it gets fixed in the near future though. :)
[06:30] <bratsche> jscinoz: Thanks for the info dude!
[06:30] <kousotu> jscinoz: did you try turning up "surround"?
[06:31] <jscinoz> Kousotu, i have no available mixers according to alsa
[06:31] <jscinoz> theres nothing to turn up
[06:31] <kousotu> ah..
[06:31] <kousotu> I had issues, and had to turn up surround lol
[06:31] <bratsche> Yeah, for whatever reason I'm unable to even modprobe the snd-hda-intel module.
[06:32] <bratsche> It's there, but modprobe says it's not.
[06:32] <jscinoz> i can modprobe it, but alsa still cant find any cards
[06:33] <bratsche> I wonder why my modprobe can't find it.
[06:33] <ikonia> is the module actually therer ?
[06:33] <ikonia> there
[06:33] <bratsche> Yes
[06:33] <bratsche> It's under /lib/modules/.../ubuntu/media/
[06:33] <jscinoz> and for me i can load the module just fine, but asoundconf still cant find any cards >_<
[06:34] <ikonia> ubuntu/media ?
[06:34] <ikonia> thats not where the modules are
[06:34] <bratsche> That's where this one is.
[06:35] <bratsche> It's provided by linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-generic
[06:35] <kousotu> jscinoz: couldn;t you force it?
[06:35] <bratsche>  /lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko
[06:35] <jscinoz> no
[06:36] <jscinoz> basically "asoundconf list" returns nothing
[06:37] <kousotu> ah..
[06:37] <kousotu> ok, thought I'd ask
[06:37] <kousotu> lol
[06:38] <kousotu> ikonia: 6.06 might have worked on my old mechine, but that's fried, so it's a no-go
[06:38] <Eq|work> jscinoz : same if you use model=ref ? what if you disable acpi on boot?
[06:39] <Eq|work> (not had a chance to play with mine yet..)
[06:39] <ikonia> kousotu: I didn't say anything about using 6.06
[06:39] <kousotu> ikonia: it's the lts, right?
[06:39] <ikonia> bratsche: that path makes more sense
[06:39] <ikonia> kousotu: yes it is LTS
[06:39] <kousotu> if itworks, then 7.04 would
[06:39] <ikonia> not nessasrary
[06:39] <ikonia> nessasarrily
[06:39] <Eq|work> bratsche : run depmod -a
[06:39] <kousotu> but I ever got a chance to try
[06:39] <Eq|work> then try and modprobe it
[06:40] <ikonia> kousotu: sorry, I don't understand what your saying
[06:40] <ikonia> you never got a chance to try what
[06:41] <kousotu> either 6.06 or 7.04 on my old mechine
[06:41] <ikonia> why are you telling me this ?
[06:41] <kousotu> idk..
[06:41] <kousotu> lol
[06:41] <ikonia> this is a discussion channel for gusty and you've just started telling me randomly about your old machine and 6.0.6
[06:42] <mewt> it's 6.06.1 if you please
[06:42] <kousotu> I'm a kinda random person lol
[06:42] <ikonia> this isn't an approriate channel, lets not flood it or take it off topic like a few hours ago
[06:43] <kousotu> 1: not flooding, 2: a single line does not make it of topic
[06:43] <ikonia> why do you constantly have to argue, we flooded the channel a few hours ago with off topic discussion, I'm asking you to not take it there again
[06:47] <Cts|359> So, anybody have KDE4 Beta 2 running?
[06:48] <jscinoz> eq doesnt work with either of those changed
[06:48] <Eq|work> jscinoz : tried it since the update to .10 ?
[06:48] <jscinoz> yes
[06:48] <Eq|work> :-/
[06:49] <kousotu> who do you use wine??
[06:51] <ikonia> on gusty ?
[06:51] <kousotu> yes
[06:51] <kousotu> I wantto run Starcraft on linux
[06:51] <ikonia> I've got it installed out of the repo, but its not up to date
[06:52] <ikonia> kousotu: because of the graphics and xorg changes going on, probably not the best idea to start trying to configure that up at themoment
[06:52] <kousotu> ?
[06:52] <ikonia> you'll spend time getting it working, then 2 days later a dev package may update xorg/drivers/kernel/wine even and just bork it with no explination
[06:53] <kousotu> ikonia: I'd like to giv it a shot, for a while to play my brother without needing windows
[06:53] <ikonia> then do it
[06:54] <kousotu> I do;t kow how to
[06:54] <ikonia> then read some docs
[06:54] <Eq|work> read the wine docs
[06:54] <kousotu> there's docs?
[06:54] <ikonia> this channel is to discuss bugs and progression with gusty not howto's
[06:54] <Eq|work> there are docs for everything
[06:54] <bratsche> Eq|work: Sorry, was afk for a few mins.
[06:55] <bratsche> Okay trying depmod -a now
[06:55] <Eq|work> kousotu : good place to start is /usr/share/docs/PACKAGE/
[06:55] <kousotu> Eq|work: I couldn't find things on it well
[06:55] <Eq|work> might be /usr/share/doc/ i forget..
[06:55] <kousotu> ok, I'll ive it a look
[06:55] <bratsche> Well, I will in a minute.. I reset and it's fscking now.
[06:56] <Eq|work> if you've rebooted then you /might/ not need to do depmod -a
[06:56] <Eq|work> try modprobe first
[06:57] <bratsche> I had already reset the machine before, this isn't the first reset after my upgrade.
[06:57] <kousotu> ....
[06:58] <kousotu> damn tars...
[06:58] <Eq|work> tars?
[06:59] <Eq|work> kousotu : there shouldn't be any tars in the docs dir..
[07:00] <Eq|work> you might need to do eval `lesspipe` if there are .gz files....
[07:03] <osmosis_> so I installed gutsy server 64 last night.
[07:04] <osmosis_> LVM auto partitioning had some bugs.
[07:04] <osmosis_> And I guess the xen packages are all broken right now.
[07:04] <ikonia> I've not tried the xen stuff, have you checked launchpad for outstanding / open bugs ?
[07:14] <osmosis> anyone know how to get the xen packages to apt-get install ?
[07:14] <kousotu> try sudo apt-get instal xen?
[07:14] <kousotu> try sudo apt-get install xen?*
[07:17] <derblubber> i absolutly cant get my notebooks ipw2100 to connect to my accesspoint (avm fritzbox 7050)
[07:17] <derblubber> not with encryption nor without.
[07:17] <derblubber> any hints on debugging this or help?
[07:18] <osmosis> kousotu: Package xen is not available, but is referred to by another package.  This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:18] <osmosis> is only available from another source    However the following packages replace it:    xen-utils-common   E: Package xen has no installation candidate
[07:18] <ikonia> does it see the SID ?
[07:18] <derblubber> sid is hidden
[07:18] <ikonia> unhide it as a test
[07:18] <derblubber> but it gives me a quality (100%) when i enter the sid of the access point
[07:19] <derblubber> okay
[07:19] <ikonia> osmosis: looks like the package isn't there at the moment
[07:19] <ikonia> as you suggested possibly broke at the moment
[07:20] <osmosis> $ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-xen-desktop-amd64   The following packages have unmet dependencies:  ubuntu-xen-desktop-amd64: Depends: linux-xen but it is not installable   E: Broken packages
[07:20] <ikonia> yeah, so linux-xen is dead
[07:20] <osmosis> well should I start over and go back to feisty, or might it come back alive soon ?
[07:20] <ikonia> no idea
[07:20] <ikonia> its in development
[07:20] <ikonia> I assume people are fixing it
[07:21] <ikonia> xens a core component of the server release
[07:21] <osmosis> maybe a mailing list or something.
[07:21] <ikonia> mailing list ?
[07:22] <derblubber> ikonia: well okay that worked. didnt know this was an issue
[07:22] <osmosis> yah...like where people are talking about gutsy xen packages and possible fixes...maybe even how I could contribute to the fix.
[07:22] <derblubber> even wpa2 encryption does now
[07:23] <ikonia> derblubber: ok, so looks like a config issue between router/card
[07:23] <ikonia> at least you know it works now too
[07:23] <ikonia> osmosis: check out launchpad for bugs, there will be some and you can participate
[07:28] <osmosis> ikonia: i dont get it, https://launchpad.net/xen  only shows something for edgy? isnt that a bit old
[07:29] <ikonia> certainy looks like it old
[07:33] <Hobbsee> that's not the ubuntu source pacakge xen
[07:33] <osmosis> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/xen-3.1
[07:33] <Hobbsee> take out the gutsy/, and then that's where you want to be
[07:34] <ikonia> that looks better
[07:36] <kousotu> !voice
[07:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about voice - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:36] <kousotu> !voicerecognition
[07:36] <kousotu> !voice recognition
[07:36] <kousotu> wow...
[07:36] <kousotu> [12:36]  <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:37] <kousotu> !speech
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speech - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:42] <bratsche> Eq|work: Ran depmod -a but it still says it can't find snd-hda-intel
[07:43] <ikonia> bratsche: thats annoying
[07:43] <ikonia> just let me check something
[07:44] <osmosis> so why is there no package called xen , if  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.1  is correct, gutsy should have a xen package.
[07:45] <ikonia> there is a package called xen
[07:45] <ikonia> but its not available because its broke
[07:45] <mattb> ikonia: see bug #132726
[07:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132726 in linux-source-2.6.22 "linux-xen for x86_64" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132726
[07:46] <ikonia> osmosis: there you go mattb has the explaination
[07:47] <Muelli> Hi. Is it possible to run a fully flegded livecd off the net or a usb stick? I desperatly try to rescue my system but the netboot image is very poorly equipped...
[07:47] <osmosis> mattb: ahh...you trying to do xen on amd64 also ?
[07:48] <mattb> yep
[07:48] <osmosis> mattb: so right now we just wait.
[07:48] <mattb> unless you feel like building the package yourself ;p
[07:48] <mattb> i'm guessing the code's all there, someone just forgot to update the control file
[07:48] <mattb> or something
[07:49] <yaccin> is it just me or does kde4 beta 2 looks not like those screenshots at all?
[07:50] <osmosis> mattb:   ubuntu-xen-desktop-amd64 - Xen software for running on desktops     Is this still the main package? Needs a better description.
[07:50] <mattb> that's a meta-package
[07:50] <mattb> it just pulls in all the other packages you need
[07:50] <osmosis> mattb: is that the main metapackage? is that what I should be trying to install.
[07:50] <yaccin> http://frupic.frubar.net/4251 << this looks not like the screenshots of the beta2 i have seen :(
[07:51] <mattb> osmosis: I'm no expert, but it certainly pulls in everything you need
[07:51] <mattb> (except it's uninstallable atm because linux-image-xen is missing on amd64)
[07:51] <osmosis> mattb: i went through and did a whole reoranization on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenVirtualMachine   last week. lots more to do still.  need to get a working version though.
[07:52] <juan> hello!
[07:52] <stdin> yaccin: it seems to be a bug in beta2, a few people have reported it
[07:52] <yaccin> stdin: oh ok :/ are there any things i can do? :D
[07:52] <juan> is someone having problems with kde 3.93 and plasma (there are not plasmoids) on gutsy?
[07:52] <yaccin> (besides compiling it by myself, which didnt work)
[07:53] <yaccin> juan: http://frupic.frubar.net/shots/4251.png << yes :D
[07:53] <stdin> yaccin: no, it's a bug in the code, nothing you can do
[07:53] <yaccin> hmkay
[07:53] <yaccin> so ill just have to wait for new packages? ^^
[07:54] <ikonia> osmosis: perhaps gusty isn't the best platform to do your work on
[07:54] <stdin> yaccin: unless kde release beta3 early, then you'll be waiting a while
[07:54] <osmosis> ikonia: yah, perhaps.
[07:54] <yaccin> so there wont be bugfixed packages? :(
[07:55] <juan> yaccin, exactly the same
[07:55] <stdin> yaccin: they aren't kubuntu packages, they were just made in to debs
[07:55] <yaccin> hmm?
[07:56] <juan> http://frupic.frubar.net/shots/4251.png >> i have the same problem
[07:56] <stdin> yaccin: so we don't maintain them, report to upstream (KDE) if you want tho
[07:57] <yaccin> so the guys who maintain them wont do bugfixed packages? -_-
[07:58] <stdin> yaccin: like I said, it's KDE that maintain it, not us. so it's up to them to fix it
[07:58] <stdin> yaccin: but those fixes will only be releases in beta3
[07:58] <yaccin> so you dont know if they will fix it?
[07:58] <yaccin> hm :(
[07:58] <yaccin> that sucks -_-
[07:59] <stdin> tough :p
[07:59] <ikonia> they won't fix it if you don't report it
[07:59] <stdin> don't report it on launchpad tho, report it on http://bugs.kde.org/
[08:38] <DigitalNinja> Hows Gutsy doing?
[08:39] <davmor2> fine thanks but I just wish everyone would stop calling me gutsy :)
[08:39] <yaccin> :D
[08:39] <davmor2> Gusty is doing okay too mind you
[08:39] <yaccin> who came up with the name for ubuntu+2?
[08:40] <davmor2> no idea committee normally I think
[08:41] <yaccin> its the stupiest name i ever heard :P
[08:41] <DigitalNinja> ubuntu+2?
[08:41] <yaccin> i mena i also think gutsy is crap
[08:41] <pwnguin> sabdafl
[08:41] <yaccin> but hardy? wtf?
[08:41] <yaccin> :P
[08:41] <pwnguin> err
[08:41] <PolitikerNEU> is it normal that during an update to 7.10 nothing (e. g. konqueror, amarok) works any longer?
[08:41] <yaccin> thats so _obviously_ gay :P
[08:42] <yaccin> PolitikerNEU: yes
[08:42] <PolitikerNEU> ok
[08:42] <yaccin> if you didnt strat it before the update its normal
[08:42] <yaccin> *start
[08:42] <DigitalNinja> What happened to Tribe 6?
[08:42] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... strangly konqueror e. g. works for html but doesn't work for files
[08:42] <yaccin> PolitikerNEU: yes thats also normal :)
[08:43] <PolitikerNEU> ok :-)
[08:43] <yaccin> should work again after update is finished
[08:43] <PolitikerNEU> updating is taking a long time ...
[08:46] <yaccin> PolitikerNEU: thats also normal
[08:46] <yaccin> :P
[08:47] <PolitikerNEU> everything's ok then :-
[08:47] <PolitikerNEU> )
[08:48] <yaccin> :D
[08:48] <yaccin> as long as it works after the update
[08:48] <yaccin> ;)
[08:48] <PolitikerNEU> I'll see?
[08:48] <PolitikerNEU> see
[08:49] <Pici> DigitalNinja: read the topic
[08:49] <DigitalNinja> What?
[08:49] <etnoy> how can I make my gutsy _not_ beep /w the pc speakers when gdm fires up? I want the good ol' jungle drums back...
[08:50] <yaccin> DigitalNinja: http://tinyurl.com/3ytk9g
[08:50] <DigitalNinja> If you are talking about my "Tribe 6" question it is on topic
[08:50] <DigitalNinja> That's the next release of Gutsy
[08:50] <DigitalNinja> Which was yesterday
[08:52] <Pici> DigitalNinja: I was referring to the link about Tribe 6 in the topic.
[08:52] <DigitalNinja> oh
[08:52] <DigitalNinja> looks like I need to rtfm ;)
[08:54] <yaccin> :D
[09:18] <xtknight> when you get this during upgrade: "The following packages have been kept back:"  does that mean that the packages which have been held back are ones which depend on packages that currently do not exist in the archive, or is there a formal revocation process for certain packages with known problems?
[09:25] <rgl> how can I update do tribe6?   just the usual apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:27] <xtknight> rgl, that should work if a simple "upgrade" doesnt do it.
[09:27] <xtknight> you can even upgrade to the Release version (when applicable) this way
[09:28] <rgl> alright :D
[09:28] <rgl> I'll now hunt the right repos :)
[09:28] <xtknight> rgl, ah so you mean you want to upgrade from feisty?
[09:29] <rgl> xtknight, yup.
[09:29] <joumetal> xtknight I think packages are kept back when having dependency problems.
[09:29] <xtknight> rgl, i can't confirm if it's fine but i'd think so
[09:29] <xtknight> ah
[09:30] <xtknight> rgl,  nspluginwrapper
[09:30] <xtknight> works flawless for me
[09:30] <rgl> xtknight, on amd64?
[09:30] <xtknight> yup
[09:30] <rgl> humm how did you do it? :D
[09:30] <xtknight> sudo apt-get install nspluginwrapper
[09:30] <xtknight> nspluginwrapper -i -a or something lik ethat
[09:30] <xtknight> after installing the macro flash plugin
[09:31] <joumetal> rgl gnash could be alternetive to proprietary flash.
[09:31] <rgl> just that?  /me has read horror stories about that :|
[09:31] <xtknight> about what?
[09:31] <rgl> joumetal, no thx.   I want the real thing.
[09:31] <rgl> the nspluginwrapper on amd64
[09:31] <xtknight> dont know, works flawless for me
[09:32] <xtknight> since my pc executes the same instructions as everyone's im guessing it will work great for you too ;)
[09:32] <rgl> ok.  going to try it *G*
[09:33] <rgl> xtknight, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=425672 ?
[09:34] <rgl> nspluginwrapper is not on fiesty repo.
[09:34] <xtknight> but it's in gutsy
[09:34] <rgl> but I don't have gutsy :|
[09:34] <xtknight> i assumed you were just about to upgrade
[09:35] <rgl> oh... I known that nspluginwrapper is in gutsy, thats the only reason I had to upgrade.  but later you talked about it, I though you mean it worked on fiesty too.  sorry for the missunderstanding.
[09:35] <xtknight> for feisty i installed it manually actually
[09:35] <xtknight> well it was a little tough
[09:36] <xtknight> with the tarball they give, even the smartest person in the world couldn't compile it.  but there was a fedora version with the binaries so i used those on ubuntu.  im sure there's a feisty package now somewhere
[09:43] <rgl> xtknight, woah.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924  worked :)
[09:44] <xtknight> ah cool
[09:44] <rgl> oh dang.  "worked" sort of... :|
[09:45] <rgl> npviewer.bin uses a lot of CPU and hangs the browser sometimes :|
[09:45] <rgl> POS :(
[09:45] <xtknight> hmm
[09:46] <xtknight> i have problems with it sometimes but very rarely
[09:53] <Politiker> I've got a problem with kde: it ignores all my settings, mail, language, simply everything which is in .kde
[09:54] <etnoy> I have a strange bug in my bootup
[09:54] <Politiker> what should I do now?
[09:55] <etnoy> when I switch to the first vterm, there are boot messages that have been echoed after the login line pops up
[09:55] <etnoy> so I type my username to what seems to be a loading message, and then the password dialog box pops up
[09:56] <etnoy> is there a way to make the system show the login dialog only when everything else is finished?
[09:57] <etnoy> using gutsy, of course. note that the system is not a clean install and has been upgraded from breezy
[09:57] <tormod> etnoy: it's a feature :) just press enter a couple of times before logging in.
[09:58] <etnoy> tormod: very funny :)
[09:58] <randy026> How do I change icon sets? I am using compiz-fusion / Emerald
[09:58] <etnoy> tormod: shouldn't login be started last of all? I think it seems quite strange
[09:58] <finalbeta> or use another terminal, some people make problems for themselves. Don't we have enough time to waste on real problems
[09:59] <tormod> etnoy: but it's true: with upstart the login prompt comes as soon as you _can_ login.
[09:59] <etnoy> tormod: hm...
[09:59] <etnoy> that makes sense, of course
[10:00] <etnoy> any pointers of which script to poke at?
[10:01] <tormod> etnoy: /etc/events or something like that has scripts for tty1 etc.
[10:01] <etnoy> tormod: okay, thanks!
[10:01] <Muelli> Hi. Is it possible to run a fully flegded livecd off the net or a usb stick? I desperatly try to rescue my system but the netboot image is very poorly equipped...
[10:01] <etnoy> doin' some long-needed system cleanups
[10:01] <etnoy> fixing old bugs that have been left behind after upgrades and hacks
[10:03] <tormod> Muelli: of a usb stick is straight-forward
[10:03] <PolitikerNEU> I had to restart twice to get everything working after upgrading :-( ... is this windows :-(((
[10:06] <Muelli> tormod: I'd love to hear how you do it. I do have an ubuntu booting off an usb stick, I think it's some netboot or another dedicated boot setup, and I am supposed to just throw the iso in the root directory of that stick. It boots, but it doesn't work. some files are missing within the iso file, it complains
[10:08] <Muelli> I think it was hd-media image
[10:09] <tormod> Muelli: search the wiki. I even wrote a script myself, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/OpenExpo/2007-Bern/USBStick inside the tar file.
[10:09] <tormod> Muelli: missing within the iso? an iso is a full image.
[10:16] <Muelli> tormod: It complained about some package file missing. Dunno the exact error right now...
[10:16] <Muelli> tormod: why syslinux? shouldn't it work with grub as well?
[10:17] <tormod> Muelli: yes grub is better, it's just that I wanted to preserve the original boot menu from the CD, which is isolinux.
[10:17] <Muelli> tormod: so could I actaully skip syslinux stuff if I make sure that grub loads the proper kernel?
[10:18] <tormod> Muelli: sure, if you can boot grub from somewhere, you're basically there :)
[10:18] <pwnguin> i thought about getting that black shirt from canonical, but 16 dollars shipping for a shirt seems a bit much
[10:18] <pwnguin> =/
[10:19] <tormod> Muelli: see various links on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Booting
[10:22] <Muelli> tormod: do you know whether the changes must be applied against a feisty cd? (there is no gutsy cd yet, is there?)
[10:22] <Norrel> no there isn't
[10:22] <tormod> Muelli: there are gutsy daily-live cds, not?
[10:23] <tormod> Muelli: what changes?
[10:23] <Muelli> tormod: At least I didn't found any.
[10:23] <tormod> Muelli: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[10:23] <Muelli> well tormod. You introduce some overlay magic and want me to patch casper
[10:24] <tormod> Muelli: just skip those patches, they are just for having the cd installer install patches...
[10:24] <tormod> Muelli: just comment out that part of the script.
[10:25] <Muelli> thx tormod. But then it's basically just copying over all files from cd image... -.-
[10:25] <tormod> Muelli: that's correct, if you don't want syslinux, the script is not much use.
[10:39] <kfoltman> hi
[10:41] <kfoltman> does know how to repair the winxp dynamic disk structures - they cause kernel 2.6.22 in gutsy to hang during boot, while 2.6.20 starts perfectly
[10:41] <kfoltman> that's #1
[10:42] <kfoltman> and #2 - is there any way to submit a quick translation for a few missing messages in the updater app? it's rather embarassing in current state:
[10:42] <kfoltman> "Musisz pobra w sumie 86,9M. This download will take about 11 minut with a 1Mbit DSL connection and about 3 godzin 22 minut with a 56k modem."
[10:45] <aquo> hi
[10:46] <aquo> I installed ubuntu-minimal with debootstrap and examined the installed packages with aptitude
[10:46] <aquo> libgcc1 has version 4.2.1
[10:47] <aquo> and libstdc++6 has version 4.2.1 too ...
[10:47] <aquo> if i would install gcc it would have version 4.1
[10:47] <aquo> gcc depends on 4.1 gcc ...
[10:48] <aquo> which is the official compiler for gutsy? 4.1 or 4.2?
[10:53] <Monk-e> Will tribe 6 be released or will it simply be skipped?
[10:53] <Monk-e> Oh, sorry...
[10:53] <randy026> how do I get gnome-theme-manager in gutsy?
[10:53] <randy026> I just want to change my icons
[10:56] <unggnu> hi all
[10:56] <unggnu> Has anyone problems with freezes in Gutsy?
[10:57] <unggnu> The funny thing is that I can move the mouse and music or movies are still running but keyboard doesn't react anymore except the acpi keys like brightness change.
[10:58] <unggnu> Even hibernate through acpi keys worked fine.
[10:59] <Trewas> unggnu: that has happened a couple of times for me, generally works ok though
[11:00] <unggnu> Trewas: I had this two times. Is there a bug report and what is the problem? Kernel, X, compiz?
[11:02] <Trewas> unggnu: I didn't actually bother to search for bugs as it has happened only after few suspends and upgrades, not directly after booting
[11:03] <unggnu> This is serious. Ok, I try to find one but if there is no one I have no clue which package I should choose.
[11:04] <Muelli> hm tormod. I experience some problems with GRUB. If I provide /dev/sdb1 as root device (the kernel noticed my usb stick as that), then it boots more or less.. actually more less ;-) It just drops me to the busybox shell
[11:04] <tormod> Muelli: you used the boot=casper option?
[11:05] <Trewas> unggnu: those kind of bugs are a bitch to track down, unfortunately :(
[11:05] <unggnu> Trewas: Do you use compiz? Does it always happen when music or videos are running?
[11:05] <Muelli> tormod: nope. didn't provide any special boot parameters yet
[11:06] <tormod> Muelli: you have to :)
[11:06] <Muelli> alright. I even specified a wrong init...
[11:06] <tormod> Muelli: boot=casper tells initrd to look for the cd contents
[11:07] <Trewas> unggnu: no compiz, and it hasn't been happening (thanfully) often enough so I'd noticed any trends
[11:07] <Muelli> tormod: just boot=casper? Or anything else to add? And where could I find those speicifications? I mean syslinux must give the parameters as well..?
[11:08] <tormod> Muelli: yes exactly, you can see the isolinux.cfg on the cd
[11:09] <Muelli> :( just stopping. squashfs: version foo bar is the last message on my temrinal. now it does nothing...
[11:09] <Muelli> oh.. didn't see the isolinux directory -.-
[11:10] <Muelli> ah. I provide file= as well..*trying*
[11:11] <tormod> Muelli: (file is only needed for the installer)
[11:12] <unggnu> Trewas: I make a bug report and maybe you could post your experiences :)
[11:12] <Muelli> hm tormod. then I run out of ideas, why it doesn't work... It's stuck again
[11:13] <tormod> Muelli: the kernel doesn't see your usb stick?
[11:14] <Muelli> maybe this is interesting: console font changes once, and while loading squashfs, it flickers one time, as if it tries to load an X server.
[11:15] <Muelli> tormod: it perfectly sees it. In fact I have been dropped to a shell after I provided a wrogn init
[11:15] <Trewas> unggnu: I will if I it happens again
[11:15] <unggnu> thanks
[11:16] <tormod> Muelli: (the shell is in the initrd, not in the "cd" as seen from the initrd) Could you mount the stick inside the shell and see the filesystem.squash ?
[11:30] <unggnu> Trewas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/138094 just a confirm or additional information would be great :)
[11:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138094 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[Gutsy]  desktop and keyboard freezes while mouse is moveable" [Undecided,New] 
[11:35] <Muelli> tormod: I'll ty. But I have to give a wrogn init for that...
[11:36] <Muelli> tormod: but setting root=/dev/usbstick is right? Or should it be some /dev/ram0?
[11:37] <tormod> Muelli: why wrong init? root should be unset, when you use boot=casper it will find the root by probing disk drives and partitions until it finds filesystem.squash
[11:38] <Muelli> tormod: wrong init because else I won't get dropped into the busybox shell...
[11:40] <larsemil> so my my windows are snapping. and snapping. and snapping. and snapping. and .... i deactivated the plugin. but its still freakin me out
[11:41] <tormod> Muelli: use the right one, but add break=top
[11:45] <Trewas> unggnu: I'll have to see if the symptoms are really similar in case it happens again, that kind of bug is quite vague and really happened for me only after few suspends/upgrades which may occasionally fark something up temporarily
[11:46] <unggnu> You are right but it would be very bad if this kind of bug make it into release
[11:48] <XVampireX> I have a question, when is the libwfb bug going to be fixed?
[11:49] <Muelli> okay tormod. my line reads: /vmlinuz boot=casper initrd=/initrd.gz break=top *trying*
[11:49] <tormod> Muelli: looking at the newest casper... I am not sure it supports break=top (only bottom). It has a LIVEMEDIA= option that can point to your usb-stick to avoid all the probing.
[11:49] <Muelli> well.. there's the shell :)
[11:50] <tormod> Muelli: yeah I forgot, break=top is not in casper but in init...
[11:51] <Muelli> hm. tormod. with respect to your earlier question: I can't see any filesystem.squash
[11:51] <tormod> Muelli: but actually break=mount would be best I think...
[11:52] <tormod> Muelli: at this point you have to mount the drive yourself.
[11:54] <Muelli> well. I holds on, but I don't get dropped into a shell or the like
[11:55] <Muelli> it's stuck right after it has attached my usbstick... maybe I have a typo in my boot line
[11:56] <DanaG> Argh, my Xorg is messed up -- now I see what people were talking about.
[11:57] <DanaG> My cursor leaves behind copies of itself and the pieces of screen under it, and there's a band near the middle of the screen that is replicated at the top of the screen.
[11:57] <Muelli> oh sorry. I do get dropped...
[11:57] <tormod> Muelli: stuck when? after quitting the top shell? or when you do a command?
[11:58] <tormod> Muelli: you didn't see the prompt, right?
[11:58] <Muelli> tormod: I thought that it stuck itself. Like doing nothing anymore... But in fact I do get the shell...
[11:59] <Muelli> anywya, I don't see any filesystem.squash :-|
[11:59] <tormod> Muelli: did you mount the drive?
[11:59] <Muelli> well tormod, I didn't but that was due to my lazyness. I had to push enter ;-) Then the prompt apperas
[12:00] <Muelli> FWIW: But I can mount the usb stick...
[12:01] <Muelli> tormod: yes
[12:01] <Muelli> mount /dev/sdb1 (which is my usb stick) as vfat to /mnt/test
[12:03] <tormod> Try booting next time with LIVEMEDIA=/dev/sdb1 then.
[12:03] <tormod> now see if there's a /mnt/test/casper/filesystem.squashfs
[12:05] <Muelli> tormod: it's there and it's a huge BLOB
[12:06] <tormod> check the file size and compare with the cd (image).
[12:07] <Muelli> *rebooting*
[12:07] <tormod> if your shell have had md5sum, you would have wanted to check it. You can do that on another pc though.
[12:08] <Muelli> well tormod. Again: It's stuck on that squashfs thing. Stuck as in: it does nothing itself. I can hit enter and the like, but I don't get any shell. Nothing happens anymore. Last mesasge is squashfs: version 3.2-r2 (2007/01/15) Philip Lougher
[12:09] <tormod> Muelli: how much ram do you have?
[12:10] <Muelli> wait
[12:10] <Muelli> now it geos on...
[12:11] <Muelli> weird
[12:11] <Muelli> awesome, there we are :) Thank you very much for your suppoer tormod. Very appreciated :)
[12:11] <Muelli> 1BG
[12:11] <Muelli> GB even
[12:12] <tormod> Muelli: patience man :) you are welcome.
[12:14] <Muelli> tormod: do you probably know about persistence?
[12:15] <tormod> Muelli:  wrt debugging, tell me about it :) You mean for running from usb sticks? Not much.
[12:17] <Muelli> well, actually having a 64bit ubuntu is just the first part. Now I have to recover my old system which an update and razorfs killed a few hours ago...
[12:19] <SeveredCross> RazorFS?
[12:19] <tormod> SeveredCross: a pun on reiserfs :)
[12:19] <SeveredCross> Ah.
[12:19] <SeveredCross> Never heard of it.
[12:19] <knix_> I am trying to get wmv files to play.  They are not playing in firefox
[12:19] <knix_> any help?
[12:20] <knix_> They wont even play on movie player.  I have gstreamer installed
[12:21] <Muelli> SeveredCross: my new nickname for reiserfs
[12:21] <SeveredCross> knix_: Do you have gstreamer-plugins-ugly or -plugins-bad or whatever the one that does WMV is.
[12:22] <Muelli> It's pretty good in german. It would be rasierfs then -.-
[12:22] <knix_> SeveredCross, i have ugly installed
[12:22] <knix_> says it streaming, but all black
[12:23] <Muelli> knix_: I guess yuo don't have proper codecs installed
[12:23] <knix_> lol
[12:25] <knix_> well I am trying ti get my uncles pr0n working for him.  I converted a 60year old to nix.  w00t
[12:25] <knix_> pr0n is not playing, lol
[12:34] <XVampireX> I have a question, when is the libwfb bug going to be fixed?
[12:37] <asisak> XVampireX: which bug?
[12:37] <XVampireX> asisak, The one that doesn't let me and ALOT of others on X
[12:37] <XVampireX> We need to get the libwfb.so to one of the xorg folders I forgot
[12:44] <Mic__hael> did anyone lose sound after the updates today?
[12:45] <aztec13> slash ?
[12:46] <aztec13> I have a WAV of a bell on my desktop.Xfce mail notifier has 2 spots for entering commands ,1 if you clk the icon and 1 to ap something with a positive mail in box.What are the commands to set it so the bell trips on each of these events?
[12:50] <DanaG> I figured out what was corrupting Xorg:
[12:50] <DanaG> savagefb.
[12:51] <DanaG> However, it had previously worked with no issues.
[01:00] <jscinoz> Whats new in the most recent partial-upgrade?
[01:02] <jscinoz> oh joy  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/122560
[01:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122560 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "no sound with 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller" [Medium,Fix released] 
[01:05] <Xero> I like MPD.
[01:08] <farion> hello, what might be the reason, for missing window decorations while using compiz fusion?
[01:09] <jscinoz> farion, open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the device section add "Option		"AddARGBGLXVisuals"	"true""
[01:09] <jscinoz> that should do the trick
[01:10] <farion> this option is already in
[01:10] <jscinoz> hang on
[01:10] <jscinoz> what window decorator are you using? the built in one or emerald?
[01:10] <farion> oh you right :)
[01:11] <farion> it is set to false, i checked this before, but see a true there :D
[01:11] <farion> i will try and come back soon
[01:11] <jscinoz> alrighty
[01:11] <jscinoz> When is gutsy due out? its oct17 right?
[01:11] <Xero> think so.
[01:12] <Xero> Foxytunes + MPD = fun
[01:13] <farion> ok, works now - thanx
[01:19] <jscinoz> :)
[01:19] <jscinoz> Xero, can foxytunes control MPD now?
[01:20] <jscinoz> thats awesome :P
[01:21] <jscinoz> Where can i find the source for fusion-icon?
[01:23] <jscinoz> ah found it
[01:25] <mike> Greets, everyone...
[01:25] <mike> Is anyone here using a Broadcom 4300 series card?
[01:27] <jscinoz> :(
[01:28] <jscinoz> Hey guys im making a deb using epm, i need to make the menu entry for it. So far it works but it shows up in the wrong category even though i specified apps/net in the file, any idea why that hapens?
[01:31] <mike> jscinoz: You mean "Categories=Application;Network;" right?
[01:32] <jscinoz> hmm hang on a sec
[01:32] <jscinoz> wait is the menu entry defined in /usr/share/menu/appname or /usr/share/applications/appname
[01:32] <jscinoz> /usr/share/applications/appname.desktop*
[01:39] <jscinoz> anyone at all?
[01:41] <jscinoz> brb
[01:47] <mike> jscinoz: Sorry 'bout that. I'm on Kubuntu, could be different for GNOME, but here it's /usr/share/applications/appname.desktop. Then there are a few things in /usr/share/applnk/[category] /appname.desktop
[01:48] <jscinoz> hmm none of my other applications have files in /usr/share/appln
[02:01] <riot_le> hi @all
[02:02] <riot_le> has anyone here experiences with gutsy in combination with fglrx?
[02:07] <jscinoz> Hey guys
[02:07] <jscinoz> you know the alsa fix in tribe 6 that just came out?
[02:08] <jscinoz> Since upgrading to the new alsa included in tribe6, i get unknown symbol for snd-hda-intel snd-pcm snd-timer
[02:08] <jscinoz> what can i do?
[02:13] <jscinoz> ...