[12:40] eep. opp. ork. uh-huh. 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Samba/Winbind problem: Winbind password cache is broken in gutsy package. It is fixed in Debian. [01:46] What's the procedure for asking for the package to be merged these days? And are we beyond that point in freeze yet? [01:46] Also why can I never find this stuff on the wiki heh === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pici [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] Heya [02:14] morning bddebian [02:14] Hi pygi [02:14] how are you doing? [02:16] OK thanks. Yourself? [02:17] tired :P [02:17] 2:17AM =) === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] keescook: Actually I think my entire post distils down into two things: a) My mdadm.conf wasn't updated. The wrong uuid was in it. Maybe that was my fault. b) 85-mdadm.rules does not specify --auto=yes [02:42] anyone have any good ideas about how i could install google toolbar onto a custom live cd? === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D81D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cyr@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PawpawYoung [n=young@218.240.129.197] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PawpawYoung [n=young@218.240.129.197] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zul__ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] could someone please immolate NetworkManager? kthx luv u bai. === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-670c8185a54bda4b] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] get right on it [03:22] oh hey mneptok === stub [n=stub@tetkyo100114.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] heya Zul [03:26] there is no Dana. === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.61.126] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xeruno [n=xeruno@cable200-116-11-46.epm.net.co] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] bryce: why did you move bug 137745 back to compiz? it's a limitation in the X stack [03:40] Launchpad bug 137745 in compiz "compiz can only used by one user" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137745 [03:40] dri, drm, and/or the drivers, something nvidia doesn't use === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] Evening all [03:54] Hey sbalneav [03:55] hey there bddebian! [03:56] Tomorrow's Fix It Friday for Edubuntu!!! === sbalneav plans to put in 18 hours. [03:56] Booked the day off work :) [04:08] w00t === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PawpawYoung [n=young@218.240.129.197] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PawpawYoung [n=young@218.240.129.197] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-27-204.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] smoothest nipples i've ever felt [04:52] I mean hi IN === porthose [n=charliej@24-119-101-247.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o bhale] by ChanServ [05:09] meh, both of you clean up your act === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o bhale] by bhale === stub [n=stub@tetkyo100114.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === noah__ [i=29572@WideOpenBSD.ORG] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:28] bhale: !! === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D81D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.132.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:32] [06:33] BOING === Zdra [n=zdra@58.236-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:37] argh! [06:38] wasabi: 85-mdadm.rules missing --auto=yes could be a bug, yes. What things were you seeing going wrong with it? [06:39] Well, on my systems, it simpley "doesn't work". No MD devices appear in iniramfs and I go to console. [06:39] So, I usually run it manually [06:39] mdadm --examine --scan > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf [06:39] mdadm --assemble --scan --no-degraded --auto=yes [06:40] If I don't add auto, it doesn't work. Says /dev/md* doesn't exist. [06:40] Seeing that udev doesn't add auto...... [06:41] On top of that my mdadm.conf did not have my arrays listed in it. The UUIDs were out of date. Probably because I reconfigured them at some point, or did not configure them from the installer. It makes me wonder if that file is even required though. [06:41] And udev can't just use --examine. [06:41] curious [06:41] wasabi: yeah, the initial creation of the mdadm.conf is critical to this, unfortunately. [06:41] lvm & mdadm have been working fine for me in gutsy [06:41] Is there a reason we don't do --examine and auto detect? [06:42] which would mean that I have a working mdadm.conf, I guess :) [06:42] Since we auto detect everything else, like LVM, I can't see why. [06:42] wasabi: I thought we did, actually. [06:42] wasabi: in that as devices appear, udev tries to start them up. [06:42] I haven't tried having a totally empty mdadm.conf. [06:42] Well yeah, udev runs mdadm, but without --examine. [06:42] So it relies on the mdadm.conf copied during update-initramfs [06:43] hm. I'm of two minds: 1) it should auto-start everything! 2) zomg don't auto-start unless you expect it [06:43] Yeah. Completely contradictory. [06:44] If you pick 2, you have a *lot* of issues though. [06:44] Which I don't think we can reasonable solve right now. [06:44] That is, you shouldn't auto activate LVM either,e xcept for the root device. [06:44] And that means you should only active MD's which contribute to the activation of the LVM. [06:44] But no others. [06:44] Which is just too hard to think about. [06:44] heh [06:45] root=md/UUID=UUID-of-MD;lvm/UUID=UUID-of-lvm [06:45] Get into crap like that. [06:45] Anways, --auto is a big ommisions. I'm not sure why yours works without it. [06:46] Unless something else is creating your md* nodes. === marcheu_ [n=marcheu@lattice.u-strasbg.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:46] Clearly if I enter teh initramfs with mount=break, and run the mdadm command without --auto, it says no thanks. [06:46] hunh [06:46] I wonder why I have /dev/md* then. [06:47] I need to get my vmware set up with multiple drives [06:47] I'm glad those scripts in local-top are gone though. [06:47] Those were maddening === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-27-204.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:49] Anyways, I sort of solved it by invoking mdadm twice from udev: once with --examine, another time without, using a temporary config file. [06:49] tmp=`mktemp`; mdadm --examine --scan > $tmp; mdadm --assemble --scan --auto=yes --no-degraded --config=$tmp [06:50] That automatically activates all non-degraded arrays known to the system, regardless of the user's mdadm.conf [06:50] I doubt that's suitable for you though. [06:50] Because it ignores superblock 1 arrays. ;) [06:50] or no-super block arrays, as they may be [06:51] so, it seems that 85-mdadm is basically doing its best to start up all the known arrays (mdadm.conf) each time a new linux_raid type device shows up. [06:51] but i have no idea if those are supported anyways [06:51] we could just say type 1 isn't support. :) [06:51] Yeah, except for the lack of auto, that's fine. I still do not understand why you don't need auto. [06:51] auto is what makes the nodes for me. Nothing else does. [06:52] yeah, I'm honestly a bit confused myself. [06:52] Do you have some option in mdadm.conf inferring auto? [06:52] I see, mdadm.conf supports auto added to a listed array. [06:52] Mine did not have that. [06:52] nope, just DEVICE partitions followed by my ARRAY lines: ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=337ca5ec:8f193d47:50a102cf:df548069 [06:52] Hmm. Yours doesn't either. === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] That file was... useful, with non-superblock arrays. [06:53] I don't think it's useful anymore. [06:53] I don't see a reason why --auto=yes would _hurt_ anything -- I'm just curious why I don't need it [06:53] Well, jump into an initramfs in premount. [06:53] And run it. ;) [06:53] which is odd considering Debian switched to requiring it [06:54] I would but that woudl require me rebooting. :) [06:54] I'm tweaking a vmware profile atm [06:57] Another bug I've discovered is vgchange -a y is dangerous. [06:57] But that's another story. [06:57] dangerous how? [06:57] If you plug in a drive from another LVM set, and it has the same name as an existing one on the system. [06:57] Activating it puts the system into a state that can't be repaired without rebooting. [06:58] oh yeah, yeah yeah bad bad [06:58] Because it actually DOES activate the second named one, and result in the user space tools beind unable to distinguish them. [06:58] So ou can't unactivate it [06:58] If you vgscan, and then vgrename it, before activating it, it's fine. [06:58] yeah, it's an f'in disaster [06:58] I name all my vgs uniquely now. I used to just use "systemvg" everywhere. [06:58] That might be a consideration for the installer to name them automatically. [06:59] perfects example of "enable everything" seriously backfiring [06:59] Then again, simply preventing vgchange from doing that probably solves the real issue. [06:59] "Hey, you have tow of these! I"m not activating it!" [06:59] "Duh!" [07:01] We could use a dbus signal for broken arrays too. [07:02] mdadm patch to poke hal! :) [07:02] totally. [07:02] then a notification icon can be done [07:04] vgchange> yeah, that would be a more sensible fix. :) [07:12] wasabi: hmpf, I was able to do a mdadm -C without --auto=yes === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:14] Weird. What's -C? [07:14] Ahh, specify config path? [07:15] evand: @ people.ubuntu.com - only canonical employees. not core dev, not MOTU. (unfortunately) === Hobbsee has asked previously for access, and got told no :P [07:15] # auto-create devices with Debian standard permissions [07:15] CREATE owner=root group=disk mode=0660 auto=yes [07:16] keescook: I even have that in my file, but it no works. [07:17] wasabi: -C is "create" [07:17] Hmm. What's creating an array have to do with it? === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:24] Should we be using UUIDs in /etc/fstab for LVM? === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === porthose [n=charliej@24-119-101-247.cpe.cableone.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-131-170.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] wasabi: I'm fairly sure you can just do dmsetup remove on the relevant devices and then run vgchange again. [07:41] LVM is pure dm? === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PawpawYoung [n=young@218.240.129.197] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PawpawYoung [n=young@218.240.129.197] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:44] wasabi: yes, like everything else in 2.6 [07:44] cept md/ === PawpawYoung [n=young@218.240.129.197] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:44] md can be too, at least for raid 1 [07:47] good morning Mithrandir! [07:47] morning little green alien. === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PawpawYoung [n=young@218.240.129.197] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:51] I'm off to bed. === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Shely_ [n=Sea@60.20.52.47] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lando [n=lando@adsl-074-236-035-138.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === atlas95 [n=atlas@AVelizy-153-1-56-178.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@82.255.252.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F71EB5.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] good morning [09:01] <\sh> hey dholbach [09:02] morning dholbach [09:03] hey \sh, hey mdke [09:03] mdke: you merged in the changes alright? [09:03] dholbach: I'm doing it now [09:03] mdke: also changed the version number of the ubuntu-docs upload? [09:03] rock on [09:03] dholbach: anything else change in ubuntu-docs? [09:03] no, just the version === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] ok, all done. Thanks a lot dholbach for working on that === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] no problem :) [09:05] greetings [09:06] heya MacSlow [09:06] dholbach: I wanted to ask your opinion on something about the possibility of ubuntu-docs using bzr. It's basically this - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-August/009160.html [09:06] dholbach: I thought since you know how the tree works, and how lp/bzr works better than me, you might have a view [09:06] not urgent of course [09:08] mdke: I found the same: the initial checkout was fairly huge and took its time, also the first push to a new branch, but the subsequent merges and pushes were very quick [09:09] I support you switching to bzr, it's far more inviting than using svn - also lots of people are used to bzr-lp now [09:09] dholbach: sorry, I meant more the second part of the email - speed is not a serious blocker for me [09:09] the second part is more about how we could use lp to improve our current workflow [09:09] I'd also stick to the tradition of storing everyrthing in bzr - I don't think there's much sense storing the packaging in another branch === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] I don't think it's going to be messy to merge changes between different branches every now and then [09:10] dholbach: so you'd have the same tree as now basically? with the kubuntu/edubuntu stuff there too? [09:11] you can have kubuntu and edubuntu branches, where those teams work and merge their changes every now and then [09:11] it's what we do for the seeds for example [09:11] kubuntu and edubuntu have changes of their own, but merge changes of the ubuntu branch all the time [09:11] like kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop differ, but they basically share ubuntu-standard [09:11] so the common documents would be basically kept in each branch and kept up to date with each other? [09:12] I think that's reasonable [09:12] interesting [09:12] I mean you can always change the workflow and improve it as you go [09:13] true [09:13] you could even have a team of different contributors to kubuntu-docs (if that makes sense) [09:13] so the kubuntu-docs people can add people to their team, because they know them already [09:14] i'm slightly concerned about the teams drawing apart, so i think it would probablybe better for ubuntu-doc-core or something to have commit rights to each, just to make sure everyone keeps working together and knows each other [09:14] right [09:14] you *can* keep them all in the same team namespace [09:15] ~ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-gutsy [09:15] ~ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-docs/kubuntu-gutsy [09:15] ~ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-docs/edubuntu-gutsy [09:15] and so on [09:15] sure [09:15] you wouldn't need new teams, but you could have them [09:16] ok, that's very helpful, thanks [09:16] cool [09:16] dholbach, what's the correct option to reinstall a package with dpkg? Just: dpkg -i --force package.deb? [09:17] MacSlow: sudo apt-get install --reinstall ? [09:17] dholbach, not it's a local package... I compiled myself... skipping some patches for testing. [09:17] just sudo dpkg -i bla.deb === stub [n=stub@tetkyo100114.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-252-057.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd_ [n=sjoerd@tunnel3460.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle [i=spindler@nat/canonical/x-ccb921dc1af36e28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle [i=spindler@nat/canonical/x-dd915b896a0b1f3e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@dhcp-131-114-3-71.di.unipi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@dhcp-131-114-3-71.di.unipi.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving."] [09:55] dholbach: though, one of these days when I have the time, I plan to merge all the seeds into one big honking branch [09:55] I think [09:56] that sounds good and will save a lot of time, I guess [09:56] only concern is what to do with non-core seeds like ubuntustudio and mythbuntu [09:57] right... [09:57] the problem I want to solve is that there are certain seeds that are not logically separate (minimal is by definition the same no matter what flavour you are, for example), but we have to pointlessly merge them anyway or germinate gets confused === kagou [n=Patrice@86.68.119.196] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] Good morning === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-68-188.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F77258.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] morning [10:03] are we still in freeze for tribe6? [10:03] hi siretart [10:03] hey ajmitch [10:04] I think there's no tribe6 cd being done, so I don't think there's a freeze [10:04] oh? it has been cancelled? [10:04] everybody hug thekorn: he implemented Bug.New() in python-launchpad-bugs [10:04] siretart: -devel-announce [10:04] dholbach: hm, 3.18 of bluez is out, both libs and utils, as well as 0.14. It fixes some audio related bugs for me. [10:05] see Riddell's message to -d-a about 3 days ago [10:05] Mithrandir: what are my chances on a UVFe for samba 3.0.25c? it's a bug fix release that I'm wanting to merge [10:05] Mithrandir: wow... bluez upstream seems to be quite busy [10:05] dholbach: indeed, they're rocking quite a lot. [10:06] Mithrandir: I'm happy to work on the updates [10:06] dholbach: a quick uupdate here succeeded at least, but I'm wary of granting myself UVFe, so.. [10:06] ajmitch: do you have the changelog somewhere? And have you had the server team's input on it? [10:07] StevenK: I'm now seriously confused. on -devel-announce, Riddell has announced that we should focus now on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/tribe-6 - but there was no mention on a target date, so I assumed the Schedule on GutsyReleaseSchedule is still authoritative [10:07] I've talked to soren, and the release notes are at http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.0.25c.html [10:08] diffstat is fairly small, and there are fixes from 3.0.25b-2 that we don't have either [10:08] Mithrandir: I can absolve :-) [10:11] ajmitch: I don't see anything particularly scary there, so if soren's happy with it, I say go for it. === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-68-188.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] Mithrandir: I think it's a good thing to update, I'm building the packages right now and will test them [10:16] dholbach: cheers [10:17] it gets time the mobile team takes care of them ;-) === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] yeah, it'll happen.. soon. [10:19] seb128: what do I need to do if I ship something in usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10? [10:19] seb128: run dh_scangstcodecs? [10:19] dholbach: yes [10:20] thanks [10:20] siretart: there's no freeze, the task is to fix all the tribe 6 bugs === mvo [n=egon@p54A677A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] siretart: Yourself. === StevenK chuckles [10:23] I see [10:24] seb128: gimp uploaded, thanks for your help. :-) [10:24] StevenK: thank you for the work on it ;) [10:25] Mithrandir: Would you mind digging through the logs on drescher to see why pilot-link was rejected? I'd just like a starting point. [10:26] StevenK: there is a pilot-link upload gutsy-changes [10:26] StevenK: what version has been rejected? [10:26] Mithrandir: could you give back kde4base 3.93.0-0ubuntu1~feisty2 [10:26] Ahhh. I think someone else uploaded it. [10:26] Riddell: given-back [10:27] StevenK: it's from Kitterman [10:27] 08:10:16 DEBUG MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive [10:27] 08:10:16 DEBUG Recipients: Steve Kowalik , Scott Kitterman [10:27] Yeah, I saw that bit. [10:28] Ah ha. dholbach uploaded it. [10:30] MacSlow: any idea why 132_composite-no-clipping.diff makes everything fall over? [10:31] Amaranth, not atm [10:31] "Needed by hildon-desktop to prevent home applets from clipping." [10:32] it was disabled once for breaking X, then supposedly fixed [10:32] err, for breaking compiz [10:32] oh that is a pretty evil looking patch [10:35] Amaranth, I don't know the history of that patch. === bigon [n=bigon@121.245-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dexem [n=dani@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] MacSlow: "this patch changes the semantics of manual-redirect Composite windows so that they do not clip sibling or parent drawing" [10:37] hm... I wonder what the Xorg folks have to say about that [10:37] MacSlow: keithp wrote it [10:38] sounds legit then :) [10:38] apparently not :) [10:38] even Keith writes buggy code. :-P [10:38] I've not tired gutsy with that patch applied on my i915... wonder if it would crash too then... [10:39] i've heard reports but the main breakage seems to be nvidia [10:39] not that OpenGL-apps would work/render correctly anyway under compiz... since redirected direct GLX isn't working with OSS-drivers yet [10:39] there is a branch for that ;) [10:40] Amaranth, well I tried that stuff from krh and airlied... but it only crashed my intel-laptop [10:40] hehe [10:40] haven't tried it since [10:40] it probably only (sort of) works on their machines [10:40] kind of like nouveau's randr-1.2 [10:40] airlied admitted that it is still super yound and very unstable [10:44] 2619 [10:45] Where can I find out more about the xorg-amd driver I installed today? [10:46] Never noticed it before... maybe I should use that:-( === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host57-130-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] cjwatson: are you OK adding bluez-gnome to the recommends of ubuntu-desktop? cf thread on ubuntu-devel@ [11:19] if so, I'd just add it right now and do a ubuntu-meta upload [11:19] dholbach: do it, you already got an approval from mdz and you have a +1 from me ;) [11:20] rock on - that should be good enough ;-) [11:21] dholbach++ [11:23] hi mvo :) [11:23] hey ajmitch === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] dholbach: fine by me [11:29] hmm, I'm making UME create a default user that the UI runs as. I think I'll be creating /home/ume for it, since the user may well want to store downloaded media or similar there. Does anybody have a concern over a package creating a user with ~ in /home? [11:30] cjwatson: Yes, I spotted that. I was confused because one of the mails about the rejections took much longer to arrive. === luc__ [n=luc@DSL01.83.171.154.95.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] cjwatson: thanks, done === illovae [n=illovae@82.255.252.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheK [n=KaiL@p548F42DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheK [n=KaiL@p548F42DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@83-131-74-255.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ant30 [n=aperezar@19.Red-80-59-20.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kekZpriester [n=luc@DSL01.83.171.144.237.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] how does gdm figure out what the display size is? I have a laptop here where xorg-driver-intel and gdm seem to disagree: gdm thinks 1024x768, but the driver is using 1280x800 [11:49] (reported as bug #136783, FYI) [11:49] Launchpad bug 136783 in ubuntu "not using whole widescreen" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136783 === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD5422.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] hi [11:52] hmm [11:53] all isos are oversized ? === ogra takes that back ... all isos that are not kubuntu seem to be oversized [11:57] not a problem if you're using vmware though. :) [11:57] well, we didnt release a tribe6 CD but imho we should at least have usable isos [11:58] (it isnt a problem if you use DVDRW either for the CD isos or 800M media, but thats not the point) === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD5422.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] bryce: kees seems to have uploaded guidance before I got to it === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD5422.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD5422.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdstrand_away [n=jamie@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-99.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] doko, is my survey done? === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tseliot [n=tseliot@82.59.228.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tseliot [n=tseliot@82.59.228.211] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD6118.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerakko [n=xerakko@lpri.gva.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] cjwatson: hi [12:22] hello [12:22] cjwatson: Hi [12:23] I'm working in LliureX [12:23] an edubuntu based distro [12:23] and we are going to use [12:23] germinate [12:23] Have you written any documentation? [12:23] about seeds format [12:24] man germinate === tseliot [n=tseliot@82.59.228.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] cjwatson: In gutsy... ok [12:26] thanks [12:27] xerakko, oh, wow, LliureX bases on edubuntu now ? === ogra wasnt aware ! [12:27] yes :) [12:28] thats awesome news === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD6118.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] mjg59, ping === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] ogra: Hi [01:14] hey [01:15] mjg59, would it be very evil to add dhcpd to the acpi scripts by default zto fix bug 48212 ? [01:15] Launchpad bug 48212 in ltsp "ltsp's dhcpd fails after server is hibernated" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48212 [01:16] It would be, yes [01:16] why ? [01:16] if i suspend a server i'd like to have all services back [01:16] If the package needs special casing, have the package drop scripts into suspend.d and resume.d [01:16] ah, ok [01:17] i'll look into that, thanks === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@87.1.130.57] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rulus [n=rulus_|@234.111-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sits [n=sits@87.112.94.38.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] hi [01:37] who do I talk to about problems with http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/ ? === Spads [i=spacehob@nat/canonical/x-a52803464048805d] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] sits: #launchpad, I'd say [01:38] azeem: cheers [01:45] Gah, the daily is oversized so I can't check my e2fsprogs fix. [01:50] iwj, all of them are :/ === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@20-112.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] iwj, i resorted to DVDRW for a quick workaround === pedro [n=pedro@pc-37-217-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:13] Riddell: what do you think about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beagle/+bug/134341/comments/6 ? [02:13] Launchpad bug 134341 in beagle "beagle ftbfs" [High,Fix committed] [02:13] Riddell: that's an uvf for the new beagle [02:14] Riddell: the current version doesn't build and the new one seems to be mainly bug fix === Riddell looks [02:15] why is beagle in main anyway? [02:16] Riddell: I guess we all love searching [02:16] seb128: changelog looks fine, if it fixes the fail to build and has been decently tested then go ahead [02:16] sits: sure, but it duplicates the two other desktop search engines we have in main [02:16] Riddell: because nautilus and yelp build with libbeagle to have support for it at runtime [02:16] Riddell: thanks [02:16] oh yes, I remember now [02:18] Hmm I can search my help... OK I didn't know that === pochu [n=emilio@56.Red-88-1-151.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] I wonder if I should publish an email detailing the types of bug reports and types of replies (complete with tongue in cheek humour) === illovae_ [n=illovae@unaffiliated/illovae] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rausb0 [n=rt2573@silmor.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] is it possible to blacklist a module on syslinux boot prompt when booting the live cd? [02:35] rausb0: which one? [02:35] feisty [02:36] I don't think so.... [02:36] hmm. that's bad. [02:36] what module is causing you problems? [02:36] 8139too [02:37] what's the problem with it? [02:37] it causes a complete hang when loaded. if built with pio instead of mmio, it works. === ivoks [n=ivoks@20-112.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] interesting.... [02:39] jdong: the machine is a cheap noname notebook (actual manufacturer is twinview) [02:39] perhaps there's a way to disable detection on the alternate installer [02:40] ogra: fyi, bug 123808 [02:40] Launchpad bug 123808 in network-manager "NetworkManager Applet does not recognize ethernet bonding. " [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123808 [02:40] jdong: maybe, but in this case i just wanted to boot the live cd to test 3d h/w accel for the i945gm card [02:40] rausb0: try 8139too.blacklist=true [02:40] jdong: thanks, i will try that [02:40] rausb0: according to http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.sparc/ch05s02.html it is valid for debian-installer [02:40] (I am not sure if it'll work on the LiveCD though :( [02:40] jdong: oh, okay === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong peeks in initramfs source... [02:41] jdong: i disassembled the initramfs of the live cd and it looks like udevtrigger loads modules according the present hardware [02:42] right [02:42] ogra: how about disabling network manager in thin client setups? [02:42] the debian-installer writes a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local [02:42] that instructs udev not to load the module [02:43] jdong: creating the blacklist from the command line would be a very useful addon to the live cd too [02:43] rausb0: I can't find any blacklister in casper (the livecd system)... [02:43] rausb0: I agree, it should be a feature request to casper === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:44] jdong: is casper a ubuntu/debian only thing? [02:44] rausb0: casper is the Ubuntu livecd engine [02:44] jdong: so its specific to ubuntu? [02:44] correct [02:44] alright === cr3 [n=cr3@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] rausb0: did you say the module worked in some circumstances? [02:46] sits: it works when compiled with other compile time options, yes [02:46] rausb0: ah ok [02:46] (which might be mutually exclusive with another set of hardwrae...) === jdong has a desktop that uses rtl8139too, and it works fine currently. [02:47] sits: CONFIG_8139TOO_PIO=y [02:47] ok [02:47] I was wondering if it was a run time module option [02:47] jdong: yeah, this crappy twinview notebook is the first machine i came across which has problems with 8139too [02:48] http://ubuntu-unleashed.blogspot.com/2007/08/howto-customize-your-own-ubuntu-live-cd.html [02:48] EEP. [02:48] if you want to rebuild the LiveCD..... [02:48] (it's just about the ugliest way to get the job done :D) [02:49] is there a postmount breakpoint in initramfs? [02:49] jdong: i thought abount remastering too, but it would be much better if it runs with the normal live cd and just some boot param tweaking [02:49] rausb0: there actually may be. === jdong looks thru initramfs again [02:49] sits: no PIO in modinfo 8139too.. === Gerrath [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] anyone remember how break=init would work? [02:53] I'm thinking we should break=init, then sabotage the 8139too.ko module, then continue booting [02:53] jdong: :) === svolpe [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] I forgot how to continue booting after a break= [02:53] ugly, but would work. [02:53] "exit" [02:53] cool [02:53] jdong: maybe: exec /scriptname [02:54] well that was easy (tm) [02:54] jdong: would you even need to break? [02:54] sits: why not? [02:54] sits: I'd expect as soon as udev starts on the main fileystem, the network card would get probed [02:54]