| xivulo1 | grub installation and mounting /host r/w where also on my list | 12:13 |
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| cjwatson | mm, right | 12:13 |
| cjwatson | damnit :) | 12:13 |
| cjwatson | evand: looks safe enough, anyway | 12:13 |
| evand | ok | 12:14 |
| cjwatson | I'm going to look at ntfs-3g 1.826 tomorrow, since Debian has it | 12:16 |
| cjwatson | how were you planning to cope with the host filesystem potentially being dirty? | 12:19 |
| cjwatson | I suppose we just hope they shut it down cleanly | 12:19 |
| cjwatson | but ntfs-3g will refuse to mount "if the volume is scheduled for consistency check or the logfile is unclean" - I'm not comfortable with forcing that | 12:20 |
| superm1 | is there no way to issue a chkdsk upon shutdown in windows? | 12:20 |
| cjwatson | Windows ought to generally leave the filesystem clean on clean shutdown | 12:21 |
| cjwatson | it's if you shut down in a more violent way (e.g. power failure, or just too impatient to wait for Windows to shut down all the way) that it's a problem | 12:21 |
| cjwatson | oh well, bed | 12:21 |
| evand | can't we pop up a message in the initramfs if we're unable to mount due to a dirty fs? Something to the effect of, "run chkdsk /f in Windows then reboot"? | 12:24 |
| xivulo1 | cjwatson, there is no chkdsk in ntfs-3g | 12:24 |
| xivulo1 | it will refuse to mount | 12:24 |
| xivulo1 | and I was stopping the init process with some message about ntfs being dirty and requiring chkdsk /r | 12:25 |
| xivulo1 | in fact it will mount r/o (if memory does not fail me) | 12:26 |
| superm1 | can wubi perhaps schedule a chkdsk for the next boot in windows then, and automatically reboot into windows to do that chkdsk /r? | 12:29 |
| xivulo1 | hmm, that would require raising some sort of flag, which is difficult when the filesystem is r/o | 12:31 |
| superm1 | ah right, and you can't even pass it to boot.ini with it being read only | 12:32 |
| xivulo1 | exactly | 12:32 |
| evand | I believe it's in the registry, is it not? | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | ok, let's not worry about that | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | phase two at best | 12:32 |
| xivulo1 | I guess that should be handled properly by ntfs-3g, I am sure that chkdsk is in their agenda anyway | 12:34 |
| xivulo1 | cjwatson, is losetup command available during normal init? | 12:35 |
| cjwatson | yes | 12:36 |
| cjwatson | ok, I'm making initramfs-tools mount NTFS host filesystems read/write now | 12:36 |
| xivulo1 | I was writing that myself | 12:37 |
| cjwatson | too late, sorry ;-) | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | - if [ ${readonly} = y ] ; then | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | + if [ ${readonly} = y ] && \ | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | + ([ -z "$LOOP" ] || [ "${FSTYPE#ntfs}" = "$FSTYPE" ] ); then | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | roflag=-r | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | and | 12:38 |
| xivulo1 | how do I paste stuff here? | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | + if [ ${readonly} = y ] ; then | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | + roflag=-r | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | + else | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | + roflag=-w | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | + fi | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | + | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | before the loopmount | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | if it's long, pick a random pastebin | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | anyway, really off to bed now, I've been up well before 7 for the last two days running, been down to London yesterday, and I'm exhausted ... | 12:39 |
| xivulo1 | I'll send it to you by mail then | 12:40 |
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| xivulon | cjwatson, evand, I was thinking about ways to detect language/keyboard from live cd and run into this http://people.warp.es/~xtor/blog/?p=25 | 03:32 |
| xivulon | thought you might be interested | 03:32 |
| cjwatson | if it's implementable on the Windows side, I'm all for it | 03:32 |
| cjwatson | I don't want to mount the Windows filesystem that early from our installer though | 03:33 |
| xivulon | in the wubi side we already have that, I was thinking about the linux side | 03:33 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I'd rather not :) | 03:33 |
| evand | I believe trying to detect the keyboard and language and preseeding them in Ubiquity was something m-a was tasked with a long time ago | 03:33 |
| cjwatson | it's a neat idea but the ordering is really hard | 03:34 |
| cjwatson | and I think you have to ask anyway (consider a system you've got from the shop with Windows preinstalled, that you haven't configured at all), so it would only be useful for defalts | 03:34 |
| cjwatson | defaults | 03:34 |
| evand | indeed | 03:35 |
| xivulon | my line of thought is this: you now have cmdline arguments -- locale=XYZ and console-setup/layoutcode=XYZ | 03:35 |
| xivulon | you can have locale=detect console-setup/layoutcode=detect | 03:36 |
| xivulon | or detect_locale | 03:36 |
| xivulon | before the locale/layout are set if you have a detect flag, you run the heuristics. | 03:37 |
| cjwatson | I really don't think it's workable, sorry | 03:37 |
| xivulon | n.p. just an idea | 03:37 |
| cjwatson | I think it's great to make use of on the Windows side, but way too invasive from the Linux side | 03:37 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: btw I've fixed up the swap file thing, and am trying to work up the courage to tackle grub | 03:38 |
| xivulon | great, also please include the lupin-gutsy changes I submitted last night | 03:38 |
| cjwatson | + disk=$(echo "${disk}"|sed 's/\//\\\//g') | 03:40 |
| cjwatson | ugh, use a different sed delimiter | 03:40 |
| xivulon | that's to replace /dev/sda1 with \/dev\/sda1 or sed gets confused | 03:40 |
| cjwatson | use a different delimiter | 03:40 |
| xivulon | didn't know you could do that with sed, yeah sounds neater | 03:41 |
| cjwatson | sed -i 's:LIDISK:$disk:g' | 03:41 |
| cjwatson | I uncommented modprobe fuse, the fuse module is there | 03:42 |
| xivulon | good | 03:43 |
| cjwatson | ${variablename} is only needed when you're following it immediately with something that might be confused for part of the variable name | 03:43 |
| cjwatson | in "$variablename" it's the quoting that's the important bit, generally | 03:43 |
| cjwatson | (random shell style point) | 03:43 |
| cjwatson | I'll fix the sed thing now | 03:45 |
| xivulon | lupin was my first "big" sh project, I normally try to "imitate" the style from other files I hack, but that is a less than perfect approach | 03:45 |
| cjwatson | most people do pick up sh organically | 03:45 |
| cjwatson | I've added a debian/changelog entry for your changes | 03:47 |
| xivulon | yesterday I also sent you some code re mounting /host rw | 03:47 |
| cjwatson | yes, I saw, I already did something else in initramfs-tools so it isn't urgent | 03:48 |
| cjwatson | your code prints a better message if it fails so I'll look at it at some point, but grub comes first :) | 03:48 |
| xivulon | there is also losetup use, as opposed to use mount -r -o loop, to avoid r/o loop device | 03:49 |
| cjwatson | is that important? | 03:49 |
| xivulon | I might be wrong, but if you create a loop device via the mount command with r/o option, the loop device is also locked ro and when you remount rw, the loop device does not follow | 03:50 |
| xivulon | Creating the loop device separately should address this (and it does not make any harm anyway) | 03:51 |
| xivulon | There was also the other command you mentioned last time, but I forgot which one it was | 03:51 |
| evand | blockdev? | 03:51 |
| xivulon | no it was something to set loop device settings | 03:53 |
| cjwatson | ok, I very much want hacks outside lupin to be minimal, so losetup in lupin is probably better | 03:54 |
| cjwatson | er, in initramfs-tools/scripts/local I mean | 03:54 |
| cjwatson | I've uploaded lupin 0.3 with your changes | 03:54 |
| xivulon | ahh | 03:54 |
| xivulon | thanks | 03:55 |
| cjwatson | I have such a headache :-/ | 03:55 |
| cjwatson | how are we going to get grub4dos installed? I assume it isn't in a .deb | 03:55 |
| xivulon | It's installed by the windows frontend | 03:57 |
| xivulon | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/gutsy | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | ah, so we just need an appropriate menu.lst and to suppress installing grub in the mbr | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | I have mail from you about the former, so that's fine | 03:57 |
| xivulon | yeah | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | might have to add an extra preseed parameter to grub-installer | 03:58 |
| xivulon | you can install grub in the loop file if you want | 03:58 |
| cjwatson | yeah, it's just pointless, right? :) | 03:59 |
| xivulon | yeah | 03:59 |
| xivulon | But menu.lst has to be generated | 04:01 |
| cjwatson | you know, groot_prefix is sort of an inappropriate name ... | 04:01 |
| cjwatson | groot is just for use by update-grub | 04:01 |
| cjwatson | let me have a look at exactly what they did in grub4dos | 04:02 |
| xivulon | I did not try I think they use groot | 04:02 |
| xivulon | It should be groot(hdX,Y)/path/to/windows/boot/folder | 04:02 |
| cjwatson | I hope not | 04:02 |
| cjwatson | well, let me check | 04:03 |
| xivulon | My understanding is that whatever is in groot is copied over as "root" when generating the menu sections | 04:04 |
| cjwatson | right, but my point is that's done by update-grub not by anything grub4dos should be doing | 04:05 |
| cjwatson | so hopefully they really support root_prefix | 04:05 |
| xivulon | In this case setting groot(hd3,2)/ubuntu/disks and running update-grub should set all menu entries to root (hd3,2)/ubuntu/disks | 04:05 |
| cjwatson | ah, what they did was allow 'root (hd0,0)/ubuntu/disks' | 04:05 |
| cjwatson | that's better | 04:06 |
| xivulon | Yeah that's what I meant | 04:06 |
| cjwatson | it was the groot bit that was confusing me | 04:06 |
| xivulon | Or at least that's what I asked for, not sure if they got it wrong, I did not try the new grub4dos yet (since there was no fuse). | 04:07 |
| cjwatson | where do you want the /boot directory to go? | 04:08 |
| cjwatson | /ubuntu/disks/boot/ ? | 04:08 |
| cjwatson | that would be convenient, I think | 04:08 |
| xivulon | That would be my guess | 04:08 |
| cjwatson | I do have to disable actually installing grub, because ordinary grub won't understand this root syntax and will fail | 04:10 |
| xivulon | The important thing is that update-grub works | 04:11 |
| xivulon | We might revert to use #root_prefix maybe? | 04:12 |
| cjwatson | no | 04:13 |
| cjwatson | not necessary | 04:13 |
| cjwatson | it's actually easier this way because no changes to update-grub are needed | 04:13 |
| cjwatson | in fact it's like 15 lines added to grub-installer, if this is right :) | 04:19 |
| cjwatson | still need to prod partman to bind-mount /boot, but I know where that wants to go | 04:19 |
| xivulon | it should also be in fstab | 04:30 |
| cjwatson | indeed so | 04:31 |
| cjwatson | hence, partman :) | 04:31 |
| xivulon | partman twice then | 04:31 |
| cjwatson | just the once | 04:33 |
| cjwatson | adding the appropriate thing to fstab also causes partman to mount it | 04:33 |
| xivulon | you're too smart for me :P | 04:39 |
| xivulon | By the way wubi can now be used to boot from live cd also when the bios boot order is adverse, and for people with no CD (hd-media style). | 04:42 |
| cjwatson | nice | 04:43 |
| xivulon | I plan to add an item in the size selector so that you have something like "No installation, just classic LiveCD, (read-only)" | 04:44 |
| xivulon | have to figure a concise msg to convey that | 04:44 |
| xivulon | I was thinking to in fact have 2 items: "Dedicated partition" will start boot the livecd in automatic mode but without preseeding the partitioning info | 04:50 |
| xivulon | and "Read only" which will simply boot the LiveCD for people with bios issues / no CD. | 04:51 |
| cjwatson | ok, grub-installer seems to be working now with the exception that entries for other operating systems are broken | 04:56 |
| cjwatson | not going to worry about that right now (those entries should just go away I think) | 04:56 |
| xivulon | it's not a big issue , since people will boot first from ntldr, and the grub menu will mostly be hidden (to avoid having 2 boot menus) | 04:57 |
| cjwatson | yeah | 04:57 |
| xivulon | I am really looking forward to next build | 04:58 |
| cjwatson | is there a wubi binary yet that I can slap onto the CD? | 04:59 |
| xivulon | The current nsis code "compiles" and produces a binary, but I haven't tested it at all, which means that it is probably broken | 05:00 |
| xivulon | If you have an ISO with the other changes in, I can do some tests and will create a working binary this w/e, so it can incorporated sunday/monday. | 05:01 |
| cjwatson | I'm not certain I can get lupin in by the end of today | 05:02 |
| xivulon | I'll give you a frontend anyway by sunday, that should at least set up grub4dos and the preseed file. | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | I tweaked the preseed file in that wubi branch a bit | 05:04 |
| xivulon | no problem | 05:05 |
| xivulon | In order to work with an ISO (as opposed to a CD), I need to be able to extract kernel/initrd from within the ISO (with a CD, they are copied over). That can be done with 7-zip, but I am not sure if I will have time to implement that. | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | ok, I've written a main inclusion report for lupin and (varying slightly from standard procedure) fast-tracked it into main | 05:23 |
| xivulon | * ago likes preferential treatment 8) * | 05:26 |
| evand | conflict of interest | 05:26 |
| evand | :) | 05:26 |
| cjwatson | a touch | 05:27 |
| cjwatson | it's what tight scheduling does to you :-/ | 05:28 |
| xivulon | ps do you know +/- when installer matters are gonna be discusses in boston? I'd love to join but cannot take all week off | 05:29 |
| evand | speaking of tight schedule, can you NEW (if that's the correct terminology) gobuntu-artwork-usplash? I made seb's requested changes and I think the licensing is correct. | 05:29 |
| evand | if you have time, of course | 05:29 |
| cjwatson | I have to take my family to the shops right now but will reply when I get back | 05:31 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: throughout, I should imagine. We don't tend to partition issues up very strictly by day | 06:14 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: the times when people are available are taken into consideration where possible | 06:15 |
| cjwatson | evand: I assume the older one should be rejected? | 06:15 |
| evand | I thought it already was yesterday? | 06:15 |
| cjwatson | 269061 | S- | gobuntu-artwork-uspl | 0.1 | 20 hours | 06:15 |
| cjwatson | | * gobuntu-artwork-usplash/0.1 Component: main Section: misc | 06:15 |
| cjwatson | 269453 | S- | gobuntu-artwork-uspl | 0.1 | 45 minutes | 06:15 |
| cjwatson | | * gobuntu-artwork-usplash/0.1 Component: main Section: misc | 06:15 |
| evand | ah yes | 06:15 |
| evand | reject the older one | 06:16 |
| cjwatson | right | 06:16 |
| cjwatson | evand: hmm, did seb ask you to split out the CC-BY-SA licence into COPYING-ART? | 06:18 |
| evand | cjwatson: he asked me to include the entire GPL, so I had to create COPYING. To stay consistent I dumped the CC-by-SA out of copyright and into COPYING-ART. Should I avoid doing that? | 06:19 |
| evand | so no, he did not ask me to do that | 06:19 |
| cjwatson | ok, this is sort of a weirdness in policy | 06:24 |
| cjwatson | the rule is that all licence text must be present in the copyright file (because there are tools to read it), but there's a special exception for anything that's in /usr/share/common-licenses/ | 06:25 |
| evand | ohhh | 06:25 |
| cjwatson | I've accepted it, but could you revert the COPYING-ART bit for the next upload? | 06:26 |
| evand | will do | 06:26 |
| evand | I'm assuming I should do that before filing a MIR, correct? | 06:26 |
| cjwatson | nah | 06:27 |
| cjwatson | I punted it straight into main under the "obvious" category | 06:27 |
| evand | heh | 06:28 |
| evand | I don't suppose I could trouble you to update the desktop seed as well? | 06:30 |
| cjwatson | evand: done. binaries still need to be accepted mind you | 06:34 |
| evand | ah, indeed | 06:35 |
| cjwatson | ~1hr | 06:35 |
| evand | thanks! | 06:35 |
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| CIA-18 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2213 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): | 07:09 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup 1:0.21ubuntu3, | 07:09 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: base-installer 1.81ubuntu2, grub-installer 1.24ubuntu3, | 07:09 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: partman-auto-loop 0ubuntu5, partman-efi 13ubuntu2, partman-target | 07:09 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: 50ubuntu4. | 07:09 |
| evand | cjwatson: thoughts on having this instlux modification (see ubuntu-devel-discuss) on the CD for Hardy? I'm leaning towards no as I think we have enough install options as it is, but I'm not strongly tied to that. | 07:11 |
| evand | I imagine they just want a button that says "reboot and install Ubuntu" on the open cd, or something similar | 07:12 |
| evand | I seem to recall discussing that option in addition to wubi, but it may be a false memory | 07:13 |
| cjwatson | didn't ago say earlier that he'd just added that option to wubi? | 07:17 |
| cjwatson | but yeah, I don't think we should have both this and wubi as distinct items, they need to be merged really | 07:18 |
| evand | oh, indeed he did | 07:19 |
| evand | sorry about that | 07:19 |
| evand | so we already have a solution | 07:19 |
| evand | great | 07:19 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2214 ubiquity/debian/po/ (79 files): debconf-updatepo | 07:23 |
| evand | whoops, sorry about that | 07:24 |
| cjwatson | no worries, it's a task often best done just before release | 07:30 |
| evand | I'll add it to my notes on releasing a new version then | 07:32 |
| cjwatson | I only bother when lintian tells me newer-debconf-templates | 07:37 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2215 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.5.13 | 07:37 |
| cjwatson | otherwise I think it can end up bumping the date for the sake of it, though I'm not certain if that's checked | 07:38 |
| evand | ah, I'll keep an eye out for that | 07:39 |
| cjwatson | evand: gobuntu-artwork-usplash binaries accepted; will appear in the archive after the next publisher run | 07:48 |
| evand | nice, thanks | 07:48 |
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| cjwatson | right, phew, I think that's everything on my installer-for-windows list for today done | 08:14 |
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| evand | heh, enjoy your weekend | 08:14 |
| cjwatson | thanks, you too | 08:15 |
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