[12:38] <leonel> Scottk  for bug  #115269    thanks  to  kevin Cole from  DC LoCo  that point me to the ubuntu  psycopg2 howto  I have  now  psycopg2-2.0.6 for dapper
[12:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115269 in ubuntu "[backport]  python-psycopg2 From Feisty to Dapper" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115269
[12:38] <norsetto> if we remove sylpheed-claws than sylpheed should go too? or not?
[12:39] <norsetto> ah, life is full of questions ....
[12:53] <ScottK> sylpheed-claws was a fork of sylpheed, so not necessarily.
[12:54] <ScottK> leonel: How did you get it to work?
[12:54] <huats> norsetto: hi
[12:54] <huats> norsetto: I've seen that you changed the status of THE bug ;)
[12:55] <norsetto> hey, I was just sending comments
[12:55] <huats> oh
[12:55] <huats> ok
[12:55] <huats> :)
[12:55] <norsetto> I can tell them here if you prefer?
[12:55] <huats> no rush
[12:55] <huats> send them... if you don't mind of course
[12:56] <norsetto> huats: no probs, its gone
[12:56] <leonel> ScottK:  downloaded  the  2.0.5.1    and  it's amost ready to build  just changed    the  python2.3-dev  to  python2.4-dev  and  the dependecies for  python << 2.4 to  python <= 2.4
[12:56] <leonel> ScottK:   then  just updated to 2.0.6
[12:56] <huats> norsetto:  ok thanks
[12:57] <norsetto> pdp ;-)
[12:57] <huats> LOL
[12:57] <ScottK> leonel: If you can make a debdiff from the Gutsy package to the Dapper one, maybe we can get a source backport done.
[12:57] <norsetto> OK, last build and I'm going to bed
[12:58] <leonel> Scottk the dapper  that  I've builded  ?
[12:59] <ScottK> leonel: Yes
[12:59] <ScottK> Gotta run.
[01:00] <leonel> Scottk ok
[01:02] <huats> norsetto: regarding the section pb, I did it for the ppa build...
[01:04] <norsetto> huats: yes, forgot that
[01:05] <huats> norsetto: Oh I already changed it.. do I change it back ?
[01:06] <norsetto> huats: what?
[01:06] <huats> norsetto: I've just uploaded a new debdiff with your comments...
[01:06] <norsetto> huats: and?
[01:07] <huats> so do you want me to let it to "Section: games" or to switch it back to "Section: universe/games"
[01:09] <norsetto> huats: its fine like you did it, but the changelog? You forgot to wrap the entries?
[01:09] <huats> oups
[01:09] <huats> norsetto: I will do it right now...
[01:10] <norsetto> you still have problems with the pbuilder at home?
[01:12] <huats> norsetto: yes... I dont know what is happening. I can't get a dependency
[01:12] <norsetto> huats: which one?
[01:12] <huats> norsetto: plib1.8.4-dev
[01:13] <ScottK> huats: When was the last time you did pbuilder update
[01:16] <norsetto> I'm off to bed :-D
[01:16] <huats> ok
[01:16] <norsetto> :-D :=D :=D
[01:16] <huats> norsetto: I'll attach the patch
[01:16] <huats> and I'll wait for your comments ;)
[01:17] <norsetto> what I would like is for you to build it with pbuilder
[01:17] <huats> ok
[01:17] <huats> I will...
[01:17] <norsetto> did you see what scottK asked you?
[01:17] <huats> continue to try
[01:17] <huats> yep
[01:17] <huats> ScottK:  I've redone it in case right now...
[01:17] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[01:17] <norsetto> ok, after you build it, check the installation, if you think everything is ok, subscribe u-u-s
[01:18] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso
[01:18] <norsetto> huats: they will sponsor your upload
[01:18] <norsetto> TheMuso: \o/
[01:18] <huats> norsetto: ok
[01:18] <huats> norsetto: thanks... again....
[01:18] <norsetto> de rien ...
[01:19] <norsetto> good night all
[01:19] <huats> I still have the dependency pb on plib1.8.4-dev
[01:19] <huats> ScottK: do you have an idea why ?
[01:20] <ScottK> Did the problem happen again after you updated?
[01:20] <huats> tep
[01:20] <huats> yep
[01:20] <ScottK> Hmmm
[01:21] <huats> E: Couldn't find package plib1.8.4-dev
[01:23] <ScottK> huats: Do you have universe enabled?
[01:23] <ScottK> If you followed the standard Ubuntu pbuilder how-to the answer to that question is no and that's why.
[01:24] <ScottK> That or you have a stuck mirror that's missing the pacakge.
[01:24] <ScottK> Gotta run to pick up a kid from school.
[01:25] <huats> COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse"
[01:25] <huats> in pbuilderc
[01:25] <ScottK> OK.  That should be find then.
[01:26] <ScottK> Look up a little higher in the log and see if there are any other error messages relating to that package.
[01:26] <ScottK> I'll be back in a while.
[01:26] <ScottK> Maybe someone else can help you in the meantime.
[01:37] <huats> i want to wrap a changelog to 80 caracters... but I don't know how to handle  the date with the wrap...
[01:37] <huats> does anybody has an idea ?
[02:09] <wasabi> Howdy. Um, I have a Debian merge for Samba which fixes... what I'd consider a pretty serious bug. Is it able to make it in?
[02:14] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:21] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[02:21] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[02:34] <wasabi> Hmm. Where do I go to convince somebody to merge some non-upstream changes from Debian's samba package?
[02:34] <wasabi> =)
[02:34] <wasabi> I've done the hard work.
[02:37] <nealmcb> wasabi: is there a bug for it?  describe the changes....
[02:37] <wasabi> Well, the one major change is an update to fhs.patch which fixes winbind authentication caching. 3.0.25b-1 is broken in this regard.
[02:37] <wasabi> If you're a laptop user, that matters.
[02:38] <wasabi> There are a few other small bug fixes that come along with it... but if required those can be removed.
[02:39] <wasabi> And no LP bug exists yet.
[02:39] <nealmcb> what are the debian references?
[02:39] <wasabi> Hmm, say that again?
[02:40] <nealmcb> I'm hardly one who could help you, except by helping you get the details out in the open here so someone can help.
[02:40] <nealmcb> debian bugs, patches, etc....
[02:41] <wasabi> Well, the major issue can be fixed by dropping debian/patches/fhs.path into Ubuntu's version.
[02:41] <nealmcb> also, you might have better luck in #ubuntu-server
[02:41] <wasabi> oh man new channels every day
[02:41] <nealmcb> wasabi: there has been a lot of recent discussion on samba on the server list and channel, mostly about dapper's samba
[02:42] <nealmcb> but an LP bug would be the best way to get things started....
[02:44] <wasabi> yeah filing one
[02:44] <nealmcb> :-)
[02:48] <wasabi> nealmcb: What importants/milestone would be appropiate for this?
[02:51] <nealmcb> wasabi: other folks will triage it and fill that stuff in, I think
[02:51] <wasabi> But not if nobody is forced to read it before gutsy is released.
[02:54] <nealmcb> wasabi: I think only qa team members can set the importance.  discussing it after you file it, probably in the server channel, should get it the exposure it deserves
[02:54] <nealmcb> .... and trying to force behavior isn't usually the best route :-)
[02:54] <pygi> wasabi, what do you need?
[02:57] <wasabi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/137859
[02:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137859 in samba "winbind cache does not work on 3.0.25b-1" [Critical,New] 
[02:57] <wasabi> Apparently I can set importance Heh.
[02:59] <ajmitch> unfortunately yes
[02:59] <ajmitch> I don't think it should be critical, since it's a problem with a non-default setting
[03:00] <wasabi> You mean because cache is disabled by default?
[03:00] <ajmitch> yes, generally critical is reserved for those problems which will break out of the box (iirc)
[03:01] <ajmitch> soren was last to touch samba, but I can probably take a look
[03:01] <wasabi> What's appropriate? It will basically be a regression for people upgrading.
[03:01] <nealmcb> wasabi: well, looks like you are on the qa ("bugs") team :-)
[03:01] <wasabi> Which will prevent them from logging on unexpectedly.
[03:01] <ajmitch> nealmcb: because he's in MOTU
[03:01] <ajmitch> we may want to get 3.0.25c into gutsy anyway
[03:01] <wasabi> I don't do much actual Ubuntu work, maybe once every 6 months.
[03:01] <ajmitch> since it's a bugfix release
[03:02] <wasabi> So I completely forget how things work.
[03:02] <nealmcb> ajmitch: ahhh....
[03:02] <wasabi> I couldn't even find the freeze schedule this time. =/
[03:02] <ajmitch> GutsyReleaseSchedule
[03:02] <wasabi> Yes. I did eventually find it. :0
[03:02] <ajmitch> :)
[03:03] <wasabi> The merge o matic hasn't don it for c
[03:03] <wasabi> I just put together a samba-3.0.25b-2ubuntu1 package though.
[03:03] <ajmitch> because MoM hasn't refreshed for awhile
[03:03] <wasabi> See, the last time I worked with MoM is was some silly thing running in scott's ~
[03:03] <wasabi> heh
[03:04] <wasabi> apparently it's ultra hip now.
[03:04] <ajmitch> apparantly
[03:05] <ajmitch> sigh, I had to get the broken http.us.d.o server in the rotation
[03:06] <ajmitch> looks like we really should be using 3.0.25c
[03:08] <wasabi> Well, at least somebody responsible(tm) knows about it now, and I can go on my merry way. Thanks ajmitch. =)
[03:09] <ajmitch> heh
[03:10] <nealmcb> wasabi: thanks for the report and help
[03:13] <ajmitch> hopefully the release team won't mind approve a UVF exception for this
[03:13] <zul_> hmmm?
[03:14] <ajmitch> zul_: samba, in main
[03:14] <zul> i dont think so but good luck ;)
[03:15] <ajmitch> there's a good chance - it's a bugfix release that upstream *really* recommends people use
[03:15] <ajmitch>  67 files changed, 1626 insertions(+), 348 deletions(-)
[03:15] <ajmitch> 400 lines of that are in doc files & changelog
[03:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Help me fix uclibc instead :-)
[03:29] <ajmitch> no
[03:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: :'-(
[03:32] <zul> whats the uclibc problem?
[03:34] <bddebian> Well it needs updated but besides that one of the scripts tries to use version.h to determine the kernel version
[03:34] <bddebian> It FTBFSs
[03:36] <zul> i say leave it no one really uses it since there is no bug reports
[04:06] <bddebian> Grr, avscan needs a UVFe sync request :-(
[04:08] <bddebian> Anyone bored and want to file one for me? :-)
[04:47] <ScottK> zul and bddebian: I'd say ask for removal rather than leave it FTBFS.
[04:49] <ScottK> Any claws-mail users out there?
[04:50] <ScottK> If there are, I'd appreciate it if someone could test if nautilus-sendto works with claws-mail or not.  I don't run Gnome, so I can't test it.
[05:02] <bddebian> Is grep-dctrl still the best/only way to get reverse build-depends?
[05:08] <bddebian> Weird, I guess nothing build-deps on uclibc
[05:10] <ScottK> apt-cache agrees with that.
[05:13] <ajmitch> orphaned in debian, 4 RC bugs
[05:17] <ajmitch> you could always adapt it yourself
[05:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: adapt or adopt? :_)
[05:21] <ScottK> I could, but he seems to have a special joy in removals.  I may if he doesn't.
[05:22] <ScottK> It's Python so there's at least a slim shot I could program it.
[05:22] <bddebian> I get joy in removals?
[05:23] <ScottK> No, StevenK.
[05:23] <bddebian> Oh
[05:24] <ScottK> Thus it might be fun for him to fashion a requestremoval script.
[05:24] <bddebian> ScottK: Hey there's a new UVFe for you to approve ;-)
[05:25] <ScottK> bddebian: Already acked it.
[05:25] <bddebian> Doh, damn you are too good
[05:25] <ScottK> A key point is that even if you could make the current version build, it won't work with the clamav we have.
[05:25] <ScottK> So we need the new version.
[05:26] <ScottK> No. if anything it should be scottkreadstomuchemail.
[05:26] <bddebian> heh
[05:26] <bddebian> Well that page never should have existed in the first place :-)
[05:28] <ScottK> Ah.  Self depreacting too.  I should add that to the page.
[05:28] <ScottK> Err. deprecating.
[05:28] <bddebian> To what page?
[05:28] <ScottK> The bddebianisagod page.
[05:28] <tonyyarusso> Is it possible to get a .gpg keyring file (for import purposes) off all Ubuntu Members, everybody with LP accounts, or some other useful set of folks?
[05:28] <bddebian> ScottK: That page is actually still there?  Sad
[05:28] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: yes
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: where?
[05:29] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: though not a keyring as such, but you can get it out of the team +rdf page
[05:29] <ajmitch> a public key block for each team member, iirc
[05:29] <ScottK> bddebian: The simple fact that you try and deny the truth of it just means it's more true because you are so modest.
[05:30] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: revu uses it to import everyone in a team
[05:30] <pwnguin> that reminds me to add my key to my trusted sources list
[05:30] <pwnguin> tired of my own ppa being untrusted
[05:31] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: sorry, it just gives the fingerprint & url to retrieve the key
[05:31] <bddebian> ScottK: Stop, everyone knows it was a joke page
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: hmm - looking into it
[05:31] <ajmitch> ScottK: he reinforces your point
[05:32] <imbrandon> uclibc is orphaned ajmitch ? wow
[05:32] <bddebian> Hasnt seen an update since 2005 iirc
[05:32] <ajmitch> imbrandon: has been for ages in debian
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: I need something in GnuPG-recognized format - how does REVU handle it from there?
[05:32] <imbrandon> wonder why, seems like a popular package
[05:32] <ajmitch> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418808
[05:32] <ubotu> Debian bug 418808 in wnpp "O: uclibc -- micro C library" [Normal,Open] 
[05:33] <ajmitch> no, it's not really that popular
[05:33] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: it pulls each key & imports it
[05:33] <ajmitch> there's a script to do it
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> hrm
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> Any way to sync the entire keyserver.ubuntu.com ?
[05:34] <bddebian> Can't be good :-)
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: Trying to populate a new install of enigmail so that all of the Ubuntu mailing list messages show up as validated
[05:34] <ScottK> bddebian: I am, honestly, glad to have you back.
[05:34] <bddebian> ScottK: Thanks man.  I'm still debating on whether or not I'm glad to be back ;-)
[05:34] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: Except how much mail is signed?
[05:35] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: I doubt it
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: most of the -devel and other more official lists, I'd imagine.
[05:35] <ScottK> OK.
[05:35] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: you're probably looking at *many* more keys than you realistically want to have on the public keyring
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: perhaps
[05:36] <ScottK> I suspect that the key search algorithm in enigmail was not designed to scale that way.
[05:36] <ajmitch> gpg slows down a bit with a massive keyring
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> So I should just manually add ones as I see them is what you're saying.
[05:37] <ScottK> And enigmail is the Thunderbird extension.  It's probably not design with this kind of enterprise scale in mind.
[05:37] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: yes
[05:37] <ScottK> I wouldn't even go that far.  I'd add the ones you care about.
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> :(
[05:38] <ScottK> Suave Kids Smoothers Strawberry Swirl Shampoo or Suave Kids 2in1 Smoothers Cowabunga Coconut Tear Free Shampoo
[05:38] <ScottK> The joys of living in a house full of girls.
[05:38] <bddebian> I hear that
[05:39] <bddebian> The strawberry does smell good though :-)
[05:39] <imbrandon> ScottK: i hear ya , i'm the only male here too
[05:40] <imbrandon> wife and 10 yr old and 6 yr old
[05:40] <ScottK> The coconut was on sale.
[05:40] <imbrandon> fun fun fun
[05:40] <ScottK> And the 15 year old is REALLY 15.
[05:40] <jmg> ScottK: sounds like hel
[05:41] <jmg> hell
[05:41] <bddebian> And the 8 year THINKS she's 15 ;-P
[05:41] <jmg> weak Y chromosome. :)
[05:41] <ScottK> Just you wait.  You have no idea.
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> Just wait until she IS 15, that'll be fun
[05:41] <bddebian> No shit eh jmg :)
[05:41] <ScottK> You think she thinks she's 15.
[05:41] <bddebian> ScottK: I'm moving out for the teen years :-)
[05:42] <ScottK> You aren't to far from Valley Forge Military Academy.  They take boarders.
[05:42] <bddebian> Nice
[05:44] <bddebian> Where are you again?
[05:45] <ScottK> Outside Baltimore, MD, but I went to University in Philly.
[05:46] <bddebian> "went to University"??? Sound Europeon to me ;-P
[05:47] <ScottK> Escaped the home town (Kansas City - Hi imbrandon) and went to college at the University of Pennsylvania.
[05:47] <ScottK> Better?
[05:47] <bddebian> :-)
[05:47] <bddebian> hey Kansas City was Metropolitan compared to where I grew up
[05:48] <ScottK> Where did you grow up?
[05:48] <bddebian> s/was/is/
[05:48] <bddebian> Benson, IL.  Population: 500
[05:48] <ScottK> Yeah.  That's small.
[05:49] <bddebian> And I think that was counting the dogs ;-P
[05:49] <ScottK> Heh.
[05:55] <ScottK> LongPointyStick: Bug 137870 is a UVFe to fix a clamav rdepends problem...
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137870 in avscan "[UVFe Sync Request]  avscan 3.2.1-openssl-2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137870
[06:07] <bddebian> Gah bayonne is a mess and I really don't feel like filing another UVFe :'-(
[06:33] <joejaxx> :P
[06:33] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Bug 137870 is a UVFe to fix a clamav rdepends problem...
[06:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137870 in avscan "[UVFe Sync Request]  avscan 3.2.1-openssl-2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137870
[06:37] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ah, cool.  doit
[06:37] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[06:38] <ScottK> bddebian: Your UVFe is approved.
[06:40] <bddebian> Thanks
[06:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: hi!
[06:46] <bddebian> Bedtime, gnight gang
[07:10] <ScottK> Good night all.  Time to clean the kitchen, feed the dogs, and get to bed (eventually...).
[07:40] <asisak> Good morning!
[07:55] <zorg_the_false> q. is it possible to compress a .deb with lzma ?
[08:00] <mertiki> I'm about to upload 21 language pack packages into REVU and because it's my first time, I want to make sure that I don't make any mistake, can anyone assist me around that?
[08:02] <mertiki> forgot to mention : the language packs are for sunbird, and because there's no source, the .deb packages are already created for any platform
[08:07] <Hobbsee> you cant upload .debs to revu, nor to ubuntu
[08:08] <asisak> mertiki: I don't have time to do so now, but if you cannot find someone else, I'd be glad to help you. But my duties can last till tomorrow... :)
[08:09] <asisak> But you need some source. If not provided, provide some... :)
[08:09] <asisak> (as Hobbsee already said)
[08:09] <asisak> BTW hey Hobbsee :)
[08:09] <mertiki> asisak : provide some? what do you mean?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> hiya
[08:10] <mertiki> I understand that the package must respect rules, but what I have can't actually be compiled, it's language packs
[08:11] <mertiki> asisak : no problem, I can ask my questions tomorrow :) thanks
[08:12] <mertiki> hum!! that's evident, thanks!
[08:12] <asisak> There is also an some mozilla group who takes care of these. I don't remember either their name or their LP id but you can search for them :)
[08:12] <DarkMageZ> the myspell packages are yet another set of examples on how it can be done
[08:13] <mertiki> I know that thunderbird and firefox uses EXACTLY the same language pack system, it will be very similar
[08:14] <ScottK> asisak: You are a Gnome person, right?
[08:14] <ScottK> Would you be up for a little testing some time today?
[08:15] <asisak> Maybe in the afternoon. That is about 14-15 UTC
[08:15] <asisak> But in the night or tomorrow for sure.
[08:15] <ScottK> I'm trying to get rid of sypheed-claws and currently nautilus-sendto suggests it.  I was wondering if you would check and see if nautilus-sendto works with claws-mail?
[08:16] <ScottK> I need to know if I should just remove the suggests or update it.
[08:16] <ScottK> Great.
[08:16] <ScottK> I'm about to go to bed anyway, so there's abslutely no rush.
[08:16] <asisak> Where can I get the new one?
[08:17] <asisak> Or should I ping you if I have time?
[08:17] <ScottK> There isn't a new one.
[08:17] <ScottK> Just install claws-mail and nautilus-sendto and see if they work together or not.
[08:17] <mertiki> thanks asisak, Hobbsee and DarkMageZ, the source packages for thunderbird-locale is very revelant, I'll work on this tomorrow
[08:17] <mertiki> @+
[08:19] <asisak> ScottK: okay. I'll give it a try.
[08:20] <zorg_the_false> q. is it possible to compress a ubuntu .deb with lzma ?
[08:21] <asisak> zorg_the_false: what do you mean?
[08:21] <asisak> lzma *.deb
[08:21] <ScottK> asisak: Thanks.
[08:21] <asisak> Do you want to have a deb that has content compressed with lzma?
[08:21] <asisak> ScottK: you are welcome
[08:21] <zorg_the_false> asisak: instead of storing a .tgz inside the .deb, you store a .tar.lzma
[08:22] <zorg_the_false> asisak: lzma got significant advantage over .bz2 or .gz. smaller output (around 30% smaller) and faster decompression
[08:22] <zorg_the_false> asisak: this mean less burden on the server and faster installation for the user
[08:24] <ScottK> If there happen to be any core-devs hangin about that are interested in getting rid of old, buggy packages (StevenK), Bug #137901 is ready to be uploaded.  It's a step towards the demise of sypheed-claws and gpgme.
[08:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137901 in pilot-link "libpisock9 suggests obsolete sylpheed-claws and sylpheed-claws-gtk2 packages" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137901
[08:24] <asisak> zorg_the_false: I am not sure. With dbs you can have .tar.bz2 inside the archive. You should have a look if it supports tar.lzma as well.
[08:24] <zorg_the_false> btw 7z produces even smaller output, but not tar compatible. 7z produces around 43% smaller output than .tgz on my tests
[08:24] <zorg_the_false> asisak: ok thanks
[08:25] <asisak> You are welcome.
[08:25] <asisak> See you later. Go MOTUs!
[08:26] <ScottK> Good night all (again)
[08:26] <jussi01> night ScottK
[09:01] <dholbach> good morning
[09:03] <\sh> how mangled the debian/changelog of wine? I see, that some entries from ubuntu are missing
[09:03] <\sh> s/how/who/
[09:04] <ajmitch> morning dholbach, \sh
[09:04] <\sh> hey ajmitch how is live?
[09:04] <\sh> s/live/life/
[09:04] <ajmitch> still going :)
[09:04] <ajmitch> how are you?
[09:04] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:05] <\sh> ajmitch, well, in the middle of a transition ;) preparing for marriage, adding some new furniture to the new flat, trying to solve the "there is no baby, honey, please add one" problem, and again playing with ubuntu ,-)
[09:06] <\sh> the usual ;)
[09:06] <\sh> ajmitch, oh...and trying to fix wine to provide 32bit apps on amd64
[09:07] <ajmitch> fun :)
[09:08] <ajmitch> sounds like you've got a busy life
[09:09] <\sh> ajmitch, I could need someone who explain how zone+plone+all addon products are working...looks like that because of my work here, there are more packages coming for addon products
[09:12] <\sh> and it looks like that I'm becoming a very intensive gnome user...
[09:25] <dholbach> \sh: bug 137906
[09:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137906 in python-launchpad-bugs "RFE: Add function to create a new bugreport" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137906
[09:25] <dholbach> \sh: I'll test it a bit, then will let you know if it works
[09:26] <\sh> dholbach, cool...:) so I could spam u-u-s some more ;)
[09:27] <dholbach> easy easy :-)
[09:27] <\sh> ajmitch, we use zone+plone for our company handbook
[09:27] <dholbach> but this is great news
[09:27] <\sh> so..I have to install Feisty on some new external company webservers...I think my CTO will hate me for this
[09:28] <\sh> bbl
[09:46] <cavedon> hi all!
[09:46] <cavedon> is anybody uploading the debdiff in bug #135671?
[09:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135671 in wengophone "Candidate revision wengophone_2.1.1.dfsg0-4ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135671
[09:46] <cavedon> tnx
[10:05] <StevenK> ScottK: devscripts and pilot-link uploaded.
[10:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> g'day all
[10:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what do I write in changelog for an updated package, gutsy or unstable?
[10:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmmm maybe unstable is for debian packages merged
[10:31] <soren> Le-Chuck_ITA: Ubuntu packages should never have "unstable" as the distribution.
[10:32] <soren> Le-Chuck_ITA: WEll, synced packages will have "unstable" as the distribution, but not merged ones.
[10:32] <soren> Le-Chuck_ITA: Rule of thumb: If it says "ubuntu" anywhere in the version string, the distribution should be an Ubuntu one.
[10:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[10:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks
[10:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but I have a bigger problem
[10:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I forgot my passphrase!
[10:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> damn
[10:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I was just a step before debdiffing :)
[10:44] <soren> Le-Chuck_ITA: :)
[10:51] <MehdiHassanpour> hi motu, I want to backport a package from Gutsy for Feisty but it has a dependency in Gutsy... any help?
[10:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> are you using prevu?
[10:51] <MehdiHassanpour> no, Pbuilder
[10:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> using prevu I backported dependencies too
[10:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> before the main package
[10:52] <MehdiHassanpour> Le-Chuck_ITA: which one can handle this easier ?
[10:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> last time I used prevu was before feisty for some edgy backport
[10:52] <MehdiHassanpour> and then uploaded them to your apt repo ?
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and I did it by hand
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> backporting dependencies first
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but they were few
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what are you backporting
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am not a MOTU
[10:53] <MehdiHassanpour> stardict
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> just to clarify I am a newbie here :)
[10:53] <MehdiHassanpour> ;-)
[10:54] <MehdiHassanpour> any MOTU can help ?
[10:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> looking at the dependencies did you try to compiling from source?
[10:54] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[10:54] <sistpoty|work> siretart: around?
[10:55] <MehdiHassanpour> Le-Chuck_ITA: nope!
[10:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> why?=
[10:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what is missing?
[10:55] <MehdiHassanpour> didn't try... don't know
[10:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah try that then :)
[10:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you have gutsy sources in sources.list?
[10:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I mean deb-src
[10:56] <MehdiHassanpour> no!
[10:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you have feisty
[10:57] <MehdiHassanpour> I have feisty
[10:59] <DarkMageZ> MehdiHassanpour, unpack the source package of stardict from gutsy and fix the build-dep from libgucharmap-dev to libgucharmap6-dev
[10:59] <DarkMageZ> then put it back together and compile
[10:59] <MehdiHassanpour> DarkMageZ: ty :-) I was thinking if this will work
[11:02] <siretart> sistpoty|work: yes
[11:02] <siretart> sistpoty|work: but I've taken a day off for today. car broke down yesterday, but is already okay
[11:02] <siretart> sistpoty|work: so I'm at home currently :)
[11:03] <sistpoty|work> siretart: yes, just stopped by at your office
[11:03] <sistpoty|work> siretart: actually I wanted to ask about spooky
[11:03] <sistpoty|work> -> query?
[11:04] <siretart> sure
[11:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I know this is not the right place, but I am working for the Universe at the moment. I have two GPG keys for the same e-mail address, how do I get rid of the old and tell debuild to use the new one?
[11:14] <sistpoty|work> cya
[11:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> please...
[11:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I beg you
[11:17] <BlueT_Malaysia> Le-Chuck_ITA: expire the old one, or delete it from your key chain?
[11:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh, there's the -k option to debuild
[11:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that solves my problem :)
[11:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sorry
[11:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> however I can't delete the key
[11:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> since I don't have the passphrase
[11:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it seems
[11:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or I can't edit that
[11:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but to delete it I have to delete secret keys first
[11:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> which will delete all of them?
[11:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but if you have no time it does not matter since I can debuild now
[11:19] <Amaranth> you don't have the certificate to revoke it?
[11:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ehm...
[11:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I created keys with gnupg
[11:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> does it create a certificate somewhere
[11:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[11:27] <geser> Le-Chuck_ITA: how to you want to sign when you don't have the passphrase?
[11:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I created a new key
[11:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and I have to get rid of the old one
[11:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I could just have deleted .gnupg
[11:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and created the new key
[11:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but I didn't do and don't want do do that now
[11:28] <geser> if you don't have the passphrase anymore you can't create a revoke certificate for it
[11:29] <geser> so your only option is to delete the key from your keyring (if you uploaded it to a keyserver it will stay there forever)
[11:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that's bad but the only solution I think, however I am not able to delete the key since gpg asks me to delete secret keys first
[11:31] <geser> use gpg --delete-secret-keys youroldkeyid
[11:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmmm ok you're right
[11:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I saw the final "s" and I got convinced it would not accept myoldkeyid
[11:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am deconcentrated
[11:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thank you
[11:37] <geser> Le-Chuck_ITA: you should also generate a revocation certificate for you new key and store it safely in case you forget the secret passphrase or the private part of the key gets lost (harddisk failure)
[11:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gpg --gen-revoke KEY?
[11:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes
[11:48] <dholbach> can somebody please pull the latest ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk from bzr and try revuput and see if it works for you?
[11:49] <dholbach> I just typed     revuput -n my-ppa -sa         and it did bug 137926 for me
[11:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137926 in hello "Please sponsor hello 2.2-2~ppa2" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137926
[11:49] <dholbach> I thought that might help with the sponsoring process
[11:49] <dholbach> (you'll need python-launchpad-bugs 0.2.9)
[11:54] <siretart> dholbach: I'm currently taking a look at it. a few notes:
[11:54] <siretart> - improper copyright declaration
[11:54] <dholbach> right
[11:54] <siretart> - debug code not removed
[11:54] <dholbach> it's fresh and new
[11:54] <dholbach> I want to know if it'S useful like that
[11:54] <siretart> - no explanation what its actually supposed to do
[11:55] <dholbach> I just commited some help for it
[11:55] <siretart> ah, okay. I thought of trunk being a baseline rather than a playground. okay. Still trying to figure out what it actually does :)
[11:55] <dholbach> ok sorry
[11:56] <dholbach> I didn't add it to setup.py, so it wouldn't get installed in a package
[11:56] <dholbach> I thought that was ok and would invite others to hack on it
[11:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what does "dpkg-source: warning: extracting unsigned source package (/media/sda2/vincenzo/Desktop/XOURNAL/deb-new/xournal_0.4.0.1.dsc)" mean?
[11:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have imported the maintainer key and I have mine of course
[11:56] <cavedon> hi all!
[11:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> after debdiff
[11:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it gives the above message
[11:57] <cavedon> is anybody uploading the debdiff in bug #135671?
[11:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135671 in wengophone "Candidate revision wengophone_2.1.1.dfsg0-4ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135671
[11:57] <cavedon> tnx!
[11:57] <dholbach> but what it does is: build a source package of the current source tree you're in, upload it to PPA and follow up on a bug report, subscribe the right sponsors, set the right status - if you pass "-n" it will file a bug report, add a (LP: #....) to the changelog also
[11:57] <dholbach> I thought it'd help with our sponsoring process
[11:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dholbach: if I have to open a bug report to upload a new version of a package
[11:58] <dholbach> siretart: I promise I'll write docs for it
[11:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I can test
[11:58] <zorg_the_false> q. i got a .deb available in a website and would to advice my user on how to install it easily, is there a way to get apt-get or dpkg to read the .deb directly from the http server, instead of first doing wget and then dpkg ?
[11:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the first line is a question, yes
[11:58] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: no, you don't, that's what the '-n' flag is for
[11:58] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: it just needs for you to set up a PPA, change .dput.cf and put your launchpad cookie into ~/.lpcookie
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok consider I am preparing the second upload of my life and the first one was 6 months ago
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> :)
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I already have my debdiff but still have the modified source tree
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I already edited the changelog
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am preparing a new upstream version of package "xournal"
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is your tool right for me?
[12:00] <dholbach> yeah
[12:00] <dholbach> did you set up your PPA?
[12:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah
[12:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the brand new thing of personal archives
[12:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no not yet
[12:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I just would like to propose my upload for gutsy
[12:01] <dholbach> you'll need to do that
[12:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> do I have to pass trough PPA now?
[12:01] <siretart> dholbach: sounds like the script implements a workflow for contributors
[12:01] <dholbach> http://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[12:01] <siretart> dholbach: is it intended for new packages or for updates on existing packages?
[12:01] <dholbach> siretart: yeah, I thought it'd ne useful
[12:01] <dholbach> siretart: both
[12:02] <dholbach> siretart: I just need to add a check if it's a NEW package and then tag the bug and file the bug on ubuntu itself
[12:03] <dholbach> in the future we could add a --uvf option to it, that'd kick ass
[12:03] <siretart> indeed
[12:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dholbach: I mean: a new version upload must pass trough PPA for non maintainers no?
[12:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> now?
[12:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in any case I activated PPA
[12:04] <dholbach> siretart: if you could test it, I'd sponsor an upload for you ;-)
[12:04] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: it's not a strict requirement, but this tool uploads the package to PPA
[12:05] <dholbach> that has the benefit that the package gets built before we upload a fix
[12:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok where is the tool
[12:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am getting lost today
[12:05] <dholbach> bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk ubuntu-dev-tools
[12:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah ok
[12:06] <dholbach> it's not packaged yet, as I want some people to test it before
[12:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[12:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am in the source tree
[12:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I mean
[12:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> of ubuntu-dev-tools
[12:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> do I need to build the new package
[12:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or can I just run the script?
[12:07] <dholbach> go into the source tree of your package
[12:08] <dholbach> then run            ~/patch/to/ubuntu-dev-tools/revuput -n my-ppa -sa                       (if the alias in your ~/.dput.cf is my-ppa)
[12:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and
[12:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what if
[12:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't have a .dput.cf?
[12:09] <dholbach> check out http://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[12:09] <dholbach> it has all the requirements on it
[12:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh again :) there I go
[12:10] <dholbach> siretart: does it look useful to you?
[12:11] <siretart> dholbach: on the first look, it indeed looks useful, but I haven't figured out how the workflow with the script is supposed to be
[12:12] <siretart> dholbach: I cannot really focus on that either. my gf has a new laptop, and gdm seem to disagree with the intel driver on the display size
[12:12] <dholbach> ok, sorry - I didn't want to take your time from you
[12:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dholbach: I must do this from the source dir
[12:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so
[12:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the source.changes file
[12:13] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: yes, source dir of the package you want uploaded
[12:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that I have in the upper level
[12:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is of no use?
[12:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA>  No such file or directory: '/home/vincenzo/.lpcookie'
[12:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but login is anonymous or is it just an example on the quick-start guide?
[12:14] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: you need to copy your launchpad cookie to ~/.lpcookie
[12:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> aha
[12:14] <siretart> dholbach: any news on launchpad's promised xml-rpc interface?
[12:15] <dholbach> siretart: I think there's heavy work going on
[12:15] <siretart> ah, cool!
[12:15] <dholbach> for now we only have pylpbugs scraping html pages
[12:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> '/home/vincenzo/.lpcookie' does not look like a Netscape format cookies file
[12:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ehm I copied that from firefox prefs
[12:15] <dholbach> hmmm
[12:15] <dholbach> I copied mine from the epiphany cache
[12:15] <dholbach> that worked fine
[12:16] <dholbach> thekorn: do you know which file to copy in case somebody uses firefox?
[12:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but do I have to copy ALL cookies?
[12:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maybe I know what is the problem
[12:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I just copied the content of the cookie
[12:18] <thekorn> ~/.mozilla/firefox/<random>/cookies.txt
[12:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes I now tried getting from there just the lp line
[12:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that didn't work
[12:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I linked the original file
[12:19] <dholbach> just copy it :)
[12:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA>   File "/home/vincenzo/tmp/ubuntu-dev-tools/revuput", line 228, in <module>
[12:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA>     main()
[12:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA>   File "/home/vincenzo/tmp/ubuntu-dev-tools/revuput", line 205, in main
[12:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA>     bugnumber = file_bug(sourcepackage, version)
[12:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA>   File "/home/vincenzo/tmp/ubuntu-dev-tools/revuput", line 193, in file_bug
[12:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA>     bug = Bug.New(product={"name": sourcepackage, "target": "ubuntu"},
[12:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> AttributeError: 'ConnectBug' object has no attribute 'New'
[12:20] <dholbach> do you have python-launchpad-bugs 0.2.9 installed?
[12:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> 0.2.8
[12:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[12:21] <dholbach> yeah, you need 0.2.9
[12:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and
[12:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ehm
[12:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[12:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> where do I get that?
[12:21] <dholbach> hm?
[12:21] <dholbach> isn't it in the archive yet?
[12:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am surely using a mirror
[12:21] <dholbach> ok hang on
[12:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> switching to the original :)
[12:22] <dholbach> wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9160961/python-launchpad-bugs_0.2.9_all.deb
[12:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but you will read my e-mail on ubuntu-devel-discuss in exchange and tell me what you think about it, in exchange
[12:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> :)
[12:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the one about apprenticeship
[12:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> time urges and I thought it was a good idea
[12:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but noone is replying so maybe nobody is interested
[12:23] <dholbach> I think the idea is brilliant
[12:24] <ogra> pkern, ping
[12:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> just because you need a tester now :)
[12:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no ok, really, I hope that someone will reply soon or later
[12:24] <dholbach> I just think that your university might make trouble when you work from home or don't have a company contact
[12:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I realize people is busy with the release
[12:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> we have internal apprenticeship where students work for university
[12:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and teachers here can propose anything they want, including cooperation with ubuntu, then there is a group of persons deciding what projects are approved
[12:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> then students choose among approved projects, both internal and external
[12:25] <dholbach> right
[12:25] <zorg_the_false> q. where can i find the document explaining where to put .desktop file in a .deb ?
[12:26] <dholbach> I think I'd watch out for specs that are being mentored
[12:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[12:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA>  signfile xournal_0.4.0.1.dsc None
[12:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gpg: skipped "None": la chiave segreta non  disponibile
[12:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: la chiave segreta non  disponibile
[12:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[12:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> debuild: fatal error at line 1175:
[12:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> running debsign failed
[12:26] <\sh> zorg_the_false, best a .desktop file is provided by upstream...but if not, put it in debian/ dir and install it
[12:26] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: you don't know your passphrase, right?
[12:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes
[12:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I know
[12:27] <dholbach> that's the problem :-(
[12:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no I know it
[12:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but nobody is asking
[12:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I changed key
[12:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and deleted the old one
[12:27] <dholbach> hum
[12:27] <dholbach> but the key id you use in the debian changelog and in the DEBEMAIL variable is on your new key?
[12:28] <zorg_the_false> \sh: sorry my question was poorly phrased, where do i put my .desktop ? in ~/.kde/Autostart ~/.config/autostart ? in /etc/xdg/autostart ? etc... which one is the adviced one
[12:28] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: please use revuput without -n in the next uploads
[12:28] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: it already filed bug 137935 and bug 137934
[12:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137935 in xournal "Please sponsor xournal 0.4.0.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137935
[12:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137934 in xournal "Please sponsor xournal 0.4.0.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137934
[12:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh
[12:29] <zorg_the_false> \sh: unless it is discoraged i would go for /etc/xdg/autostart which seems the 'most standard' one
[12:30] <\sh> zorg_the_false, on ubuntu, .desktop files for GUI apps are installed to /usr/share/applications/
[12:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dholbach: I think debuild signed files in ..
[12:30] <zorg_the_false> \sh: ok thanks
[12:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and not in debian
[12:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so
[12:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have no signed files at all
[12:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sorry for confusion
[12:31] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: it should sign the source.changes and the .dsc
[12:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes but they are in ..
[12:31] <\sh> damnit...a good colleague is leaving the company...damnit...this guy is an excellent hard2software interface
[12:32] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: that's fine
[12:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh sh**t
[12:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> with one asterisk only
[12:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok wait
[12:33] <dholbach> revput my-ppa -sa     should be fine now
[12:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I had not set DEBEMAIL
[12:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is it safe to run your script without -n now?
[12:33] <dholbach> yes
[12:34] <dholbach> look at debian/changelog again
[12:34] <dholbach> it has added LP: #..... lines and will use them
[12:34] <pkern> ogra: pong
[12:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh great but will it change the e-mail address in the signature
[12:34] <dholbach> I just pushed up a change that will print a warning saying "Successfully created bug ..."
[12:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> of the changelog?
[12:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or should I do that by hand?
[12:34] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: no, you should do that by hand now
[12:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it was edited by the script indeed
[12:34] <pkern> ogra: More informative pings would be cool ;)
[12:34] <ogra> pkern, any idea why gobby isnt installable on amd64 ?
[12:35] <dholbach> dch will use DEBEMAIL in your next run
[12:35] <ogra> pkern, weill try to ... next time :)
[12:35] <dholbach> ogra: I just installed it on amd64 just fine
[12:35] <ogra> hmm, weird
[12:35] <pkern> ogra: Could you provide me with apt-get unmet gobby?
[12:36] <ogra> got no amd64 around atm ...
[12:36] <pkern> ogra: ditto (:
[12:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> aha: IOError: The status of this bug can't be edited, maybe because this bug is a duplicate of an other one
[12:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I suppose the main one has been edited
[12:36] <ogra> but seems its not gobby related if dholbach just installed it
[12:36] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: remove the one line then, sorry
[12:36] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20070907/report.html lists it though
[12:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I think it did everything now
[12:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no it didn't
[12:37] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: it will take a time to create your PPA
[12:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah ok
[12:37] <ogra> pkern, must be something specific to the amd64 build, not gobby, sorry for disturbing :)
[12:37] <dholbach> for me it took 10 minutes or something
[12:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> login to ppa is anonymous right
[12:37] <pkern> ogra: libobby is still listed on packages.u.c as being universe.
[12:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so I suppose I can't list there
[12:37] <pkern> ogra: But not in LP.
[12:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so how can I know if the script performed the upload?
[12:38] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: the upload to ppa is anonymous that's fine
[12:38] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: did it drop a *.upload file?
[12:38] <dholbach> if so, all is good
[12:38] <dholbach> it should have uploaded alright, because it added a bug comment
[12:38] <ogra> pkern, ah, seems its a sync problem then, its on the i386 CD
[12:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Successfully uploaded xournal_0.4.0.1.dsc to ppa.launchpad.net.
[12:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Successfully uploaded xournal_0.4.0.1.tar.gz to ppa.launchpad.net.
[12:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Successfully uploaded xournal_0.4.0.1_source.changes to ppa.launchpad.net.
[12:38] <ogra> but not on amd64
[12:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok great
[12:38] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: ROCK ON
[12:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> now do your part and sponsor it :)
[12:39] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: so in some minutes it will all be good
[12:39] <ogra> i guess that fixes itself with the next image :)
[12:39] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: in some minutes it will also turn up on http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring
[12:39] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: that's when I'll review it ;-)
[12:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it is really going to build amd64 etc ?
[12:39] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: yes
[12:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that's so great!
[12:39] <dholbach> ROCK ON :)
[12:39] <dholbach> I'm so pleased it works fine
[12:39] <ogra> pkern, thanks, that helped a lot :)
[12:40] <dholbach> it just needs more documentation (as siretart pointed out)
[12:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes but I had to copy all my cookies
[12:40] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: that's a one time operation
[12:40] <dholbach> I don't fine it particularly irksome
[12:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what if I delete my cookies?
[12:40] <dholbach> as long as you keep ~/.lpcookie that's fine
[12:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah
[12:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and the cookie never expires?
[12:40] <dholbach> I think it can
[12:41] <dholbach> but we talk HTTP to launchpad to edit the bug and so on, so that's why we need it
[12:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes
[12:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but you can retrieve it using login information
[12:41] <pkern> ogra: Just include a paste with the failure next time. ;)
[12:41] <dholbach> thekorn: bug 137934: all your work :)
[12:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137934 in xournal "Please sponsor xournal 0.4.0.1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137934
[12:41] <ogra> pkern, willdo :)
[12:41] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_ITA: what do you mean?
[12:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if I also remembered the name of the (very famous) tool
[12:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you can log in to the site and get a cookie using command line tools
[12:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I did that to write an SMS script once
[12:42] <dholbach> hm
[12:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so you would have to save your launchpad user name and password in ~/.revu_something
[12:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I think also wget can do this
[12:43] <dholbach> if you remember how the tool is called or how to use it, file a python-launchpad-bugs bug
[12:43] <dholbach> and we might consider to add it
[12:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> wait I can find it in the source of my tool :)
[12:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh my god
[12:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's "curl" :)
[12:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> of course
[12:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> curlopts="-D $cookies -A $agent"
[12:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's not a variable it's just a line in my script
[12:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> (it's a variable in my script, not recognized by curl, that's what I mean)
[12:45] <dholbach> hm
[12:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you can "post"
[12:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> with it
[12:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and python-pycurl - Python bindings to libcurl
[12:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is in apt
[12:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it does HTTPS so
[12:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I think it does the job
[12:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dholbach: you think that the most likely way to get my "other" project, the one at university, accepted is to get my hands on some already mentored blueprint?
[12:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> to put my hand
[12:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> s
[12:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> english is always a mess in my life
[12:49] <dholbach> I think that's more likely because you have somebody you can talk to, somebody who offered to mentor people
[12:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[12:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> are you thinking about libcurl?
[12:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dholbach: ppa should have a way to list pending files
[12:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> say using the non-anonymous login of ftp
[12:53] <dholbach> once the PPA is properly set up (I think there's a cronjob doing that), it will list uploaded files
[12:53] <dholbach> and also packages that will need building
[12:53] <dholbach> etc etc
[12:53] <dholbach> on your PPA page in LP
[12:54] <norsetto> morning gangsters
[12:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah ok so there is the form now
[12:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but it is not working
[12:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I will wait until tomorrow
[12:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I go back to my job now
[12:54] <norsetto> ops, sorry, hiya gang
[12:54] <dholbach> heya norsetto
[12:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am vincenzo-ml on launchpad, find my jabber id there if you need it
[12:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks for the good work and bye
[12:55] <norsetto> dholbach: the ROCK&ROLLING Daniel Holbach!!!!!
[12:55] <dholbach> norsetto: if you like rock and roll, checkout the newest ubuntu-dev-tools from bzr-lp and try revuput ;-)
[12:56] <dholbach> I'll need to write some docs for it
[01:00] <Fujitsu> What an odd quit message.
[01:09] <MehdiHassanpour> dholbach: I wanted to request "jalali-calendar" & "myspell-fa" from debian unstable for Gutsy
[01:10] <dholbach> MehdiHassanpour: best to ask if you need to request exception from New Packages Freeze
[01:10] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptions
[01:10] <dholbach> if not, it's simply a matter of filing a sync request
[01:11] <MehdiHassanpour> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess ?
[01:11] <dholbach> ah, yes
[01:12] <MehdiHassanpour> and where can I fill a sync request ;-)
[01:13] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[01:13] <Le-Chuck_IT1> dholbach, thekorn
[01:13] <Le-Chuck_IT1> regarding bug #137934
[01:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137934 in xournal "Please sponsor xournal 0.4.0.1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137934
[01:14] <Le-Chuck_IT1> don't sponsor it
[01:14] <Le-Chuck_IT1> I just found a grave bug
[01:14] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_IT1: please mark it as invalid then
[01:14] <Le-Chuck_IT1> yes ok
[01:14] <dholbach> Le-Chuck_IT1: if you do another upload of the package, bump the version number and it will reopen it
[01:14] <dholbach> reopen the bug
[01:14] <Le-Chuck_IT1> the same bug and I have to keep my changelog of course
[01:15] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ?
[01:15] <dholbach> you can either add the LP: .... to the new changelog entry
[01:15] <dholbach> or add   -v<last version that was in Ubuntu>  to the options at the end
[01:16] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ah ok but I think I shouldn't bump the version number since I never actually uploaded that
[01:16] <dholbach> you uploaded it to the PPA
[01:16] <dholbach> so it won't accept another upload of the same version number
[01:16] <dholbach> so if    1.2.3-4   is in Ubuntu and your upload to Ubuntu should be         1.2.3-4ubuntu1
[01:16] <dholbach> you should upload 1.2.3-4ubuntu1~ppa1 to your PPA
[01:17] <dholbach> then 1.2.3-4ubunt1~ppa2, etc
[01:17] <dholbach> does that make sense?
[01:17] <dholbach> I think there's a note on http://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart about that
[01:17] <dholbach> yes, there is
[01:17] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ok
[01:17] <Le-Chuck_IT1> what wil the next version be, 0.4.0.1-1?
[01:17] <Le-Chuck_IT1> where -1 is the ubuntu version?
[01:18] <dholbach> no
[01:18] <dholbach> 0.4.0.1-0ubuntu1
[01:18] <dholbach> because Debian has no 0.4.0.1-1 yet, does it?
[01:18] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ah ok
[01:19] <Le-Chuck_IT1> saving this part of the log :)
[01:19] <dholbach> i think there's something about that in the MOTU/FAQ too
[01:19] <Le-Chuck_IT1> yes yes there is I was plain wrong in the version number I gave to it
[01:19] <dholbach> right
[01:20] <Le-Chuck_IT1> thank you and bye
[01:20] <dholbach> bye
[01:28] <Le-Chuck_IT1> here I am again
[01:28] <Le-Chuck_IT1> the bug I found
[01:29] <Le-Chuck_IT1> is a regression from feisty also present in '.3.3
[01:29] <Le-Chuck_IT1> 0.3.3
[01:29] <Le-Chuck_IT1> now what do I do
[01:29] <Le-Chuck_IT1> upload the new package given that the bug must be in both packages and it's the same, or just wait
[01:29] <Le-Chuck_IT1> I already reported the bug
[01:29] <Le-Chuck_IT1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xournal/+bug/137944
[01:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137944 in xournal "[gutsy]  [regression]  pdf rendering not working" [Undecided,New] 
[01:32] <\sh> dholbach, congrats :) just reading jonos article
[01:32] <\sh> ajmitch, see p.u.c
[01:32] <ajmitch> ah, planet ubuntu
[01:33] <ajmitch> dholbach: well, is it that much of a move for you? :)
[01:33] <dholbach> ajmitch: ask seb :)
[01:33] <ajmitch> just lots more time for MOTU, less time for the desktop?
[01:33] <dholbach> hopefully soon :)
[01:34] <dholbach> I still have a bunch of things to finish up, but yeh, I hope I soon have a lot more time for MOTU stuff
[01:34] <ScottK> dholbach: Congratulations (I think)
[01:34] <ajmitch> excellent!
[01:34] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[01:34] <dholbach> and I really want to keep all of you in the loop of ideas and plans I have
[01:34] <\sh> dholbach, when I saw the picture, I thought you started as the new lead voice of jonos heavy metal group ;)
[01:34] <dholbach> \sh: HAHAHAHAHA, not really ;-)
[01:35] <ajmitch> you think he could growl like that? ;)
[01:36] <\sh> ajmitch, when I remember the night in berlin, I think with some more beer he could :) I mean, I could as well ... but I wonder if this is what jono wants ;)
[01:36] <ajmitch> heh
[01:39] <Le-Chuck_IT1> hey I don't want to break this magic moment :) but
[01:39] <Le-Chuck_IT1> I just received a mail
[01:39] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ejected: PPA is only allowed for members of launchpad-beta-testers team.
[01:39] <Le-Chuck_IT1> rejected: PPA is only allowed for members of launchpad-beta-testers team.
[01:39] <Le-Chuck_IT1> dholbach: now what do you have to say
[01:39] <Amaranth> You need to join the beta testers tem
[01:39] <Amaranth> team*
[01:39] <Amaranth> that's pretty obvious
[01:40] <dholbach> I think it says that on help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart too
[01:40] <dholbach> best to ask in #launchpad
[01:41] <zorg_the_false> q. about the .deb file naming, suppose i got a package which for slota-bli of version 0.1, the proper package name is slota-bli_0.1.deb correct ?
[01:41] <zorg_the_false> and not slota-bli-0.1.deb
[01:41] <Le-Chuck_IT1> very very first line of PPAQuickStart :)
[01:41] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ok
[01:41] <MehdiHassanpour> I see this error "make: *** [binary-arch]  Error 127" while backporting stardict from Gutsy for Feisty with Pbuilder :-(
[01:42] <azeem> MehdiHassanpour: that's not an error, that's just saying there was an error previously
[01:43] <MehdiHassanpour> azeem: ah, so let me find the error
[01:56] <norsetto> !pastebin
[01:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:58] <MehdiHassanpour> azeem: I see some lines like this: Could not create directory /var/scrollkeeper : Permission denied
[01:58] <azeem> MehdiHassanpour: that'd be the culprit
[01:58] <azeem> you can't do stuff outside the build directory
[01:59] <MehdiHassanpour> azeem: I've installed Pbuilder using this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[02:00] <azeem> it's not a pbuilder problem
[02:00] <azeem> it's a problem with scrollkeeper or the upstream Makefiles, or the packaging
[02:00] <MehdiHassanpour> and run sudo pbuilder build *.dsc
[02:00] <azeem> yeah well, sometimes you have to fix things when you backport
[02:00] <azeem> MehdiHassanpour: what does grep Build-Depends *.dsc say?
[02:01] <zorg_the_false> q. about the .deb file naming, suppose i got a package which for slota-bli of version 0.1, the proper package name is slota-bli_0.1.deb correct ? <- ok i went for it, as nobody answered. i guess i will have complains later if its wrong  :)
[02:01] <azeem> zorg_the_false: this should be in the documentation
[02:01] <zorg_the_false> azeem: the point being to find this documentation :)
[02:01] <MehdiHassanpour> azeem: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.0), dpatch, libgnomeui-dev, scrollkeeper, libbonobo2-dev, libgconf2-dev, liborbit2-dev, zlib1g-dev, sharutils, libxml-parser-perl, libx11-dev, x-dev, libenchant-dev, libgucharmap6-dev, libtool, intltool, autoconf, automake1.9, autotools-dev
[02:01] <mok0> zorg_the_false: you need a release in there
[02:02] <zorg_the_false> azeem: so i went for the statistic aka what others .deb are like
[02:02] <zorg_the_false> mok0: like lsota-bli_0.1_i386.deb ?
[02:02] <MehdiHassanpour> azeem: I've changed libgucharmap-dev to libgucharmap6-dev my self as it was not in Feisty repos
[02:03] <azeem> MehdiHassanpour: well, I've no idea why this is, you have some debugging to do I guess
[02:04] <mok0> zorg_the_false: the tools create the .deb file. You have to specify name, version and release in the control file. You should check the documentation.
[02:04] <zorg_the_false> mok0: i did :) i will go for this scheme and modify stuff when i got complains :)
[02:07] <mok0> zorg_the_false: are you making a binary package?
[02:07] <zorg_the_false> mok0: yep
[02:08] <mok0> zorg_the_false: then you need to copy your package to name_0.1-1_i386.deb
[02:08] <zorg_the_false> mok0: ok noted. what is the -1 ?
[02:08] <mok0> whenever you update the package bump the release number
[02:09] <zorg_the_false> ah ok thanks
[02:09] <mok0> release
[02:09] <mok0> if you modify packaging, the next one will be name_0.1-2_i386.deb
[02:09] <zorg_the_false> slota-bli_0.0.1.2007-09-07-14-08_i386.deb <- is the actual name :)
[02:09] <mok0> zorg_the_false: ok, whatever
[02:09] <zorg_the_false> cool :)
[02:10] <zorg_the_false> i wanted to keep the date in order to avoid keeping tracks of when last .deb release
[02:11] <zorg_the_false> mok0: azeem: thanks
[02:11] <azeem> zorg_the_false: you shouldn't have more than one hyphen in the version, really
[02:11] <azeem> 20070907 is just as informative
[02:12] <zorg_the_false> azeem: ok i can do that :)
[02:19] <zorg_the_false> really this 7z amaze me, the .deb on my stuff is 4181382-byte, the 7z of the same directory is 2004253-byte... less than 50% of the .deb
[02:20] <zorg_the_false> canonical could save a lot of money in bandwidth, just on this
[02:20] <zorg_the_false> and better faster download
[02:20] <zorg_the_false> ok i shutup now :)
[02:21] <dholbach> siretart, norsetto: added a manpage to the package
[02:21] <\sh> zorg_the_false, bandwidth today is not the problem ;)
[02:22] <zorg_the_false> \sh: cool then :)
[02:23] <\sh> at least when I see our internet connection
[02:23] <dholbach> please grab ubuntu-dev-tools from trunk and test it
[02:25] <pochu> heya MOTUs and MOTU padawans!
[02:28] <siretart> dholbach: wooho :)
[02:29] <siretart> dholbach: how do you write docbook? by hand or via some tool?
[02:30] <dholbach> siretart: I wrote it by hand *yuck* but copied huge chunks of an existing one :)
[02:31] <dholbach> seeyou later :)
[02:31] <siretart> *wave*
[02:33] <zul__> dholbach: congrats on being the new master of all masters ;)
[02:34] <azeem> dholbach is now known as skeletor
[02:36] <Hobbsee> zul_: what's he doing now?  skeletor of all skeletors?
[02:37] <zul> Hobbsee: did you check jono's blog?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> not as yet, i've just gotten home from work
[02:37] <zul> you should
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ah yes, cool
[02:54] <ScottK2> So here I am, hard at work trying to get rid of cruft in the archives (gpgme in this case) and I discover the last rdepend has a new upstream version that doesn't depend on it anymore.  Hooray!  Even better, Debian already has it.
[02:55] <ScottK2> Not so good is it builds in Sid, but FTBFS in my Gutsy pbuilder.
[02:55] <ScottK2> ayttm is a GTK (now GTK2) app, so I'm more than a little lost here.
[02:55] <Amaranth> ScottK2: what's the problem?
[02:55] <ScottK2> prefs_window.C:1137: error: 'gtk_rc_style_unref' was not declared in this scope
[02:56] <Amaranth> ScottK2: wow, that's a weird one
[02:56] <Amaranth> ScottK2: you could just patch it to use g_object_unref
[02:56] <ScottK2> I have no idea from GTK stuff, so I'm pretty lost.
[02:57] <Amaranth> ScottK2: gtk_rc_style_unref is deprecated anyway
[02:57] <ScottK2> Even better.
[02:58] <norsetto> ScottK2: do you know what was decided for sylpheed and sylpheed-claws in gutsy?
[02:59] <ScottK2> norsetto: keescook said to go for a removal of sylpheed-claws.  I'm working on fixing the rdepends.
[02:59] <norsetto> ScottK2: ok, so sylpheed-claws and sylpheed-claws-gtk2 are gone, and sylpheed remains, which means the latter should be fixed too
[03:00] <ScottK2> And claws-mail
[03:00] <Hobbsee> oh?  why did we remove -claws?
[03:00] <ScottK2> sylpheed-claws is the GTK version.
[03:00] <norsetto> ScottK2: claws-mail is fixed already
[03:00] <ScottK2> It was replaced by sylpheed-claws-gtk2 which was replaced by claws-mail.  It's obsolete cruft.
[03:01] <ScottK2> norsetto: Great.  Just trying to be complete
[03:01] <Hobbsee> oh right
[03:01] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: Just wait a few weeks and they'll rename it again.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:05] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: Assuming I get the package working (it's not yet), what would you think of approving Bug #137962
[03:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137962 in ayttm "UVFe request for ayttm (0.5.0+10-2)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137962
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: looks fine.
[03:07] <ScottK2> Cool.  I'll ping you when I get it fixed up.
[03:17] <dholbach> thanks azeem and zul_ :)
[03:45] <dholbach> can somebody grab bug 73722
[03:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 73722 in openmcu "[SRU]  Linked against libpt-1.9, which is not in dapper" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73722
[03:48] <ScottK2> Amaranth: That fixed the problem.  Thanks.
[03:49] <Amaranth> no problem
[04:10] <dholbach> stevenK, siretart: is bug 123904 OK now?
[04:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123904 in w3m-el "Candidate revision w3m-el_1.4.4-3ubuntu1" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123904
[04:10] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:12] <geser> Hi bddebian
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya geser
[04:13] <bddebian> dholbach: Hey, congrats man, sounds like a cool gig
[04:13] <dholbach> a cool gig? :)
[04:13] <dholbach> hey bddebian :)
[04:14] <zul> must be less stressful at least
[04:15] <zul> or so one would think
[04:17] <bddebian> dholbach: What could be more cool than working with us? :)
[04:17] <dholbach> nothing... of course :-)
[04:17] <bddebian> Heh
[04:17] <bddebian> Me
[04:17] <bddebian> mwuhahaha
[04:18] <Hobbsee> uh oh
[04:18] <bddebian> Hobbsee: :'-(
[04:18] <dholbach> in charge? the one with the long pointy stick of course :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:21] <bddebian> Grr, why the hell is bglibs FTBFSing?? :-(
[04:23] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: in charge == ie, setting the procedures
[04:25] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: yes, i'm wondering that too now
[04:25] <dholbach> who's setting procedures?
[04:26] <zul> dholbach: you are arent you? ;)
[04:26] <dholbach> did it ever work that way?
[04:26] <ScottK2> Of course since there's no procedure for firing MOTUs, we can, in the meantime, ignore them (the procedures) anyway at little risk.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> dont tempt people like that
[04:26] <Hobbsee> dholbach: somewhat, yes.  how did we get the rules about 2 acks for new packages, teh sponsorsing process, etc
[04:27] <dholbach> the sponsoring process was pitti's idea
[04:27] <dholbach> and it was a good idea
[04:27] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: Just pointing it out as I think it ought to be changed.
[04:27] <dholbach> in most cases somebody had an idea, we discussed it and it was done
[04:27] <dholbach> we always discussed things in meetings
[04:27] <dholbach> like the new packages policy
[04:27] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: that would be nice
[04:27] <dholbach> we discussed it in at least 4 or 5 meetings
[04:28] <dholbach> so I wouldn't say somebody just set those rules
[04:28] <dholbach> no?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> dholbach: just thinking about what would happen if, say, the community members disagreed with the powers that be with canonical, and you, bringing us what they say, on MOTU issues.  who then, has the power to override teh other,  if it coudl not be easily resolved?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> would it just default to "the powers that be say we must do this, and the people of MOTU have to follow it, as they use our resources to build"?
[04:31] <dholbach> we always discussed things as a team
[04:31] <dholbach> and it's always going to be that way
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ie, would the MC overrule, or would canonical?
[04:32] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: I suspect that the most dholbach can answer on that point is to speak for himself, i.e. would he follow MC decisioons.
[04:33] <dholbach> Canonical is one sponsor of Ubuntu, the company will never be able to tell community members what to do - I personally feel that the scenario is a bit far-fetched
[04:33] <dholbach> and I don't "bring what Canonical says"
[04:34] <dholbach> I said it before: I will let you know about things I plan to work on and have a public todo list, nothing will change
[04:34] <Hobbsee> dholbach: not *that* far stretched - certainly possible.  in which case, we, the individual members of MOTU would probably want to know where you stand.
[04:34] <dholbach> there's no big plan to overthrow anybody or overrule anybody
[04:34] <azeem> dholbach: hey, how many people usually show up to a Ubuntu Berlin meeting?
[04:34] <dholbach> nobody ever told me how to vote as a MC member or CC member
[04:35] <bddebian> w00t, I'm fired
[04:35] <dholbach> azeem: I'd say 5-20 people - it varies a lot
[04:35] <dholbach> azeem: the release parties are usually a lot fuller :)
[04:35] <azeem> ok, I was overwhelmed by the number of people int he launchpad group
[04:35] <azeem> heh
[04:36] <dholbach> Hobbsee: if my MOTU hat will ever be in the way of my Canonical hat, I will let you know
[04:36] <Hobbsee> dholbach: oh, i thought the powers that be inside canonical would communicate with you if they wanted to see things done differently.  eg, the reviewing of new packages
[04:36] <zul> dholbach: i guess people are concerned if the processes are going to change
[04:36] <Hobbsee> dholbach: right.
[04:37] <dholbach> Hobbsee: but it was not up until now
[04:37] <Hobbsee> dholbach: true, but you werent the head of MOTU then
[04:38] <dholbach> I'm not the head of MOTU
[04:38] <Hobbsee> under the title of 'Ubuntu Community Developer Liaison'
[04:38] <dholbach> Jeff said I was the 'face of motu'
[04:38] <dholbach> ;-)
[04:38] <Hobbsee> that is what people {will, do} read it as, though.
[04:38] <dholbach> but I'm a member of the team who has the privilege to put work time into improving things in Ubuntu
[04:38] <Hobbsee> lucky
[04:38] <effie_jayx> Quick q, I am triaging a bit... these two bugs are not the same but they are feature requests that are somewaht realted. are they treated as separate bug?   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-gabble/+bug/137955   and   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtelepathy/+bug/137953
[04:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137955 in telepathy-gabble "[UVFe]  Please sync telepathy-gabble from debian (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[04:39] <dholbach> my goal is to make it as easy as possible to become a MOTU
[04:39] <bddebian> So many FTBFS, so little time
[04:39] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: ignore sync requests :)
[04:39] <dholbach> I think that's beneficial to everybody
[04:39] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  ok :D
[04:39] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: they're special bugs
[04:39] <zul> effie_jayx: yes but ignore sync requests
[04:39] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: (different source packages require different bugs yes)
[04:39] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  ok I was just wondering... :S
[04:39] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: sync requests and removal requests are different to normal bugs.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: no problem ;)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> keep it up!  :D
[04:40] <ScottK2> I'm testing an IM client for a UVFe.  Anyone here have an AIM account and a moment to see if we can chat?
[04:41] <bddebian> No but I have a Windows Messenger one
[04:41] <azeem> ScottK2: that's a great pickup line!
[04:41] <bddebian> Heh
[04:42] <man-di> ScottK2: use enoughofmichael2
[04:42] <man-di> as aim name
[04:42] <jono> Hobbsee: dholbach is not here to overrule anyone - merely to do what many of you have been asking for for a while, to help improve MOTU and make it more productive
[04:42] <ScottK2> man-di: Would you please initiate a chat with me (I'm kitterma on AIM)?
[04:42] <jono> MOTU is not owned by Canonical, it is a community function
[04:42] <bddebian> How could we possibly be any MORE productive? ;-)
[04:43] <jono> bddebian: hehe
[04:43] <Hobbsee> jono: hmm.
[04:43] <bddebian> With Hobbsee, LaserJock, ScottK, and StevenK, what more could we need?
[04:43] <jono> Hobbsee: what are your specific concerns?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> jono: i'll /query you
[04:44] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:45] <ScottK2> man-di: Thanks.
[04:45] <bddebian> Any motu's or hopefuls bored atm?
[04:46] <bddebian> norsetto: Cool, file a UVFe sync request for bayonne for me will ya? :-)
[04:46] <ScottK2> zul: Can I consider your comment on Bug #137962 as an approval?
[04:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137962 in ayttm "UVFe request for ayttm (0.5.0+10-2)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137962
[04:46] <man-di> ScottK2: np
[04:46] <ScottK2> bddebian: Put him to work.
[04:46] <zul> ScottK2: yes
[04:47] <ScottK2> Thanks.  I'll upload it then.
[04:49] <ScottK2> OK.  That's one more gpgme redpends taken care of.  Only sylpheed-claws remains.
[04:49] <ScottK2> norsetto: Care to do some testing?
[04:50] <bddebian> Hey, he's mine! :_)
[04:50] <norsetto> ScottK2: not right now, in half an hour?
[04:50] <ScottK2> Sure.
[04:51] <dholbach> did anybody test revuput in ubuntu-dev-tools? I'd like to do an upload of it soon :-)
[04:51] <dholbach> it even has a manpage now
[04:53] <bddebian> Considering I don't even know what it is, I haven't tested it :-(
[04:55] <ScottK> dholbach: Do we really need to be assigning packaging bugs to the server team just now?  It's just more bugmail and not much that can be done.
[04:58] <dholbach> ScottK: if you look at http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring you will see that I was assigning review bugs to canonical people, sorry if ubuntu-server was the wrong place for that - I just thought that they'd all read it
[04:58] <ScottK> There are at least some non-canonical people on the server team, so we (at least me) get the bugmail.
[04:59] <dholbach> ok, I'll try to do that differently in the future
[05:04] <norsetto> bddebian: we cannot sync as is; we need to update libexosip2-dev before
[05:04] <bddebian> Doh, thx
[05:04] <bddebian> Aren't dependencies a bitch? :)
[05:05] <azeem> next you're going to complain about PATH_MAX
[05:05] <bddebian> Absolutely! :-)
[05:06] <norsetto> at least we don't have to pay any allowance to them ....
[05:07] <bddebian> Heh, nice package: 57 tests executed, 51 failures
[05:10] <norsetto> I found something new: X-Obsolete-Build-Depends :-)
[05:11] <bddebian> I'm thinking cvm should be removed
[05:11] <StevenK> bddebian: Justification?
[05:12] <ScottK> He feels like it?
[05:12] <norsetto> ScottK: what testing?
[05:13] <ScottK> norsetto: I'm trying to get rid of sylpheed-claws (as we've discussed), but there is one rdepend I need to clear up yet.
[05:14] <ScottK2> It is
[05:14] <ScottK2> So the question is, does nautilus-sendto work with claws-mail or not?
[05:15] <ScottK2> If it does, I'll change the recommends to that.  If it doesn't, I'll just remove it.
[05:15] <bddebian> StevenK: It's broken and old? :)
[05:16] <norsetto> the only way to find out is to have ubuntu, isn't?
[05:16] <ScottK2> norsetto: Yes.
[05:16] <ScottK2> I just have Kubuntu.  Thus my search for someone to test.
[05:16] <norsetto> can't help you there, I'm on kubuntu too
[05:17] <ScottK2> Ah.
[05:17] <ScottK2> Cool.  Didn't know.
[05:17] <norsetto> passed to the evil side just this week ;-)
[05:17] <ScottK2> StevenK: You use Ubuntu, right?
[05:18] <ScottK2> Just need a little testing help to get rid of sylpheed-claws AND gpgme.
[05:18] <StevenK> ScottK2: Right.
[05:18] <ScottK2> Would you be up for checking if nautilus-sendto works with claws-mail or not?
[05:18] <StevenK> Only Feisty
[05:19] <ScottK2> Hmmm.
[05:20] <norsetto> ScottK2: btw, the dependancy on sylpheed-claws is just a suggest
[05:20] <bddebian> StevenK: Have you tried to build cvm?
[05:21] <ScottK2> Yes, but it should still be resolved.
[05:22] <ScottK2> Package description will need update too.
[05:22] <ScottK2> StevenK: Since there's no claws-mail in Feisty, I probably need someone with Gutsy.  Urg.
[05:23] <ScottK2> I'd really appreciate it if someone with Ubuntu Gutsy would volunteer for a little test ....
[05:24] <Hobbsee> everyone's seen teh light and moved to kubuntu now...
[05:24] <norsetto> ScottK2: tell you what, I still have an ubuntu partition, it may need some work to be up to date and working correctly, so I can do that, and check what happens if I install claws-mail, only problem is that I don't know if I need to remove evolution for that. It actually both Recommends: evolution and Conflicts: evolution
[05:26] <ScottK2> If you do have to remove it, it shouldn't be very hard to put back as long as you don't purge it.
[05:26] <dholbach> have a nice weekend everybody!
[05:26] <ScottK2> Have a nice weekend dholbach.
[05:27] <Hobbsee> what's that?
[05:27] <bddebian> Later dholbach, you too
[05:27] <bddebian> Hobbsee: heh
[05:27] <_MMA_> ScottK2: I can. What do you need?
[05:27] <dholbach> I'll play in a club later, get up late tomorrow, etc etc :)
[05:27] <Hobbsee> bddebian: oh, they must be more of the days i go to work.  right.
[05:27] <bddebian> Hmm, StevenK was supposed to have fixed cynthiune.app.. Hmmm ;-P
[05:27] <ScottK2> _MMA_: I need someone to install claws-mail and see if it works with nautilus-sendto
[05:28] <_MMA_> Ok. Ill install them.
[05:28] <ScottK2> Great.  Thanks.
[05:28] <ScottK2> norsetto: I have another volunteer.
[05:28] <StevenK> I was?
[05:28] <ScottK2> You were what?
[05:29] <StevenK> [01:29]  < bddebian> Hmm, StevenK was supposed to have fixed cynthiune.app.. Hmmm ;-P
[05:29] <ScottK2> Ah.
[05:31] <_MMA_> ScottK2: So what behavior are you looking for? Simply that "nautilus-sendto" will open "claws-mail"?
[05:31] <ScottK2> Yes.
[05:31] <_MMA_> Done. It does.
[05:31] <ScottK2> Cool.  thanks.
[05:31] <_MMA_> np
[05:36] <bddebian> StevenK: Your name is that last on the changelog ;-)
[05:38] <xhaker> heh.. revuput seems so sweet just from the description
[05:42] <bddebian> StevenK: I'm just busting your chops.  Can you look at it again or do you want me to poke at it?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> i think he's gone to bed
[05:52] <davromaniak> hello
[05:52] <davromaniak> I have an issue with qtpfsgui
[05:53] <bddebian> Hobbsee: He's not allowed to sleep
[05:55] <bddebian> Hmm, I wonder if viewpdf.app should be rebuilt against the popplerkit he fixed
[05:55] <davromaniak> it was rejected by the archive admin, and he tells me to upload a new version
[05:55] <bddebian> So what's the issue?
[05:56] <davromaniak> so I uploaded the new version on revu, but I don't know if it will be on gutsy
[05:57] <davromaniak> he tells me that somebody will sponsor it, but I don't know what "sponsoring" is
[05:57] <ScottK> When was the first one uploaded?
[05:57] <ScottK> And why did he reject it?
[05:57] <davromaniak> August 18
[05:58] <davromaniak> some licence issue in the orig tarball
[05:58] <davromaniak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36706/ <== here's the mail
[06:00] <ScottK> Did you fix it?
[06:00] <davromaniak> yes
[06:00] <davromaniak> I dputed the new version with COPYING.libpfs added in the orig tarball
[06:00] <ScottK> OK.  Here's the problem ...
[06:01] <davromaniak> ah
[06:01] <ScottK> New package freeze was Aug 30th.
[06:01] <ScottK> There is an exception process.
[06:01] <davromaniak> yes, I know
[06:01] <davromaniak> ok
[06:02] <ScottK> Sponsoring is when a MOTU uploads it for you.
[06:02] <davromaniak> ok
[06:02] <ScottK> You'll need the exception approved before that.
[06:02] <davromaniak> ok
[06:03] <_MMA_> davromaniak: Is this the package that needs a CVS version of Hugin?
[06:03] <davromaniak> yes, but it's an option
[06:04] <_MMA_> So I was told its _needed_. I guess it wasnt then?
[06:04] <_MMA_> If its an "option".
[06:06] <davromaniak> The upstream dev told me it's an option because you don't absolutely need it to use qtpfsgui
[06:07] <_MMA_> davromaniak: Ok. xtknight was pushing for it. hugin-cvs that is.
[06:07] <davromaniak> I'm requesting a new package freeze exception for qtpfsgui with the new COPYING.libpfs file
[06:07] <davromaniak> yes _MMA_, but hugin-cvs won't be for gutsy
[06:08] <bddebian> If it was already in, got rejected and request to re-upload, does it really need an exception?
[06:09] <_MMA_> bddebian: Ive had to. :(
[06:09] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[06:09] <_MMA_> (on Feisty)
[06:09] <ScottK> bddebian: I'd say yes because one of the primary reasons for the New Package Freeze was archive admin workload.
[06:11] <ScottK2> StevenK: If you're still up, Bug #138010 is ready for upload.
[06:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138010 in nautilus-sendto "Nautilus-sendto suggests obsolete slypheed-claws package" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138010
[06:16] <davromaniak> bug filed
[06:19] <ScottK> davromaniak: Repacking the tarball doesn't take a long time.  Why did you miss the freeze?
[06:22] <davromaniak> because the error was not detected by the 2 persons who advocate the package
[06:22] <ScottK> When did the archive admin reject it?
[06:22] <davromaniak> and Sebastien Bacher detected it yesterday
[06:22] <ScottK> Ah.
[06:22] <ScottK> OK.
[06:22] <ScottK> I guess a better question would have been when it got rejected.
[06:22] <ScottK> THanks.
[06:23] <davromaniak> I received his mail last evening, at 9:44 pm french time
[06:23] <ScottK> Given that hugin-svn is not going in, does your package need to be modified?
[06:23] <ScottK> OK
[06:23] <davromaniak> in order to use hugin-svn ??
[06:23] <ScottK> You shouldn't reference stuff that isn't in the archives.
[06:23] <ScottK> To not make reference to or use it.
[06:24] <davromaniak> It will need to be modified when hugin-svn will be available, now it doesn't make any depends or suggest to hugin
[06:24] <ScottK> OK.
[06:24] <ScottK> That's good.
[06:24] <ScottK> What's the bug number?
[06:25] <davromaniak> 138017
[06:27] <ScottK> Bug #138017
[06:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138017 in ubuntu "New Package Freeze Exception needed for qtpfsgui" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138017
[06:29] <ScottK> davromaniak: I ack'ed the exception.  You'll need a 2nd motu-uvf person to approve it.
[06:29] <davromaniak> ok, thank you
[06:36] <norsetto> ScottK2: still need that testing? I have got my ubuntu partition up and running, just a matter of loggin out of kubuntu and in to Ubuntu now.
[06:37] <ScottK> norsetto: Nope.  All done.  Thanks for the offer though.
[06:38] <norsetto> ScottK2: np, let me know if you need something else
[06:38] <ScottK> Thanks.
[06:39] <norsetto> its funny, sco autocompletes to scottk2, but you are logged as scottK
[06:39] <ScottK> I'm logged in as both
[06:39] <ScottK> ScottK2 is my laptop.
[06:40] <ScottK> It is an odd tab completion though.
[06:40] <norsetto> I would have thought it would pick the first match, strange that the first match is the longer one
[06:40] <norsetto> kopete btw
[06:40] <bddebian> Hmm, drip has been removed from Debian
[06:44] <helpneed> Enter text here...
[06:44] <helpneed> hellow
[06:44] <ScottK> norsetto: I'd be willing to call that a bug.  BTW, for IRC on Kubuntu, Konversation is a better bet IMO.
[06:45] <helpneed> i have a problem with pppoe on ubuntu 7.04
[06:45] <norsetto> thx for the tip; I'm also not very happy about kwallet and kmail to say the whole truth.....
[06:45] <helpneed> can you help me?
[06:46] <norsetto> lets try konversation .....
[06:47] <helpneed> i have configured with sudo pppoe
[06:47] <helpneed> it works fine until i reboot
[06:49] <helpneed> can you help me?
[06:51] <ScottK> helpneed: This is not a support channel.  Try #ubuntu
[06:51] <helpneed> thx
[06:51] <norsetto> !support | helpneed
[06:51] <ubotu> helpneed: the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[07:00] <ScottK> !away | norsetto
[07:00] <ubotu> norsetto: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[07:01] <norsetto> the problem is how to be back hmmmmm
[07:17] <norsetto> norsetto
[07:31] <bddebian> Grr, sometimes people triaging bugs really annoy me
[08:20] <bddebian> This is wrong isn't it? pkg-config --modversion evolution-shell-$version
[08:23] <bddebian> Hum de dum de dum
[08:29] <bddebian> Where the hell is everyone?
[08:30] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[08:31] <mertiki> I just build my first source package from scratch and looking to upload it to REVU. But I look at the Doc from wiki.ubuntu.com and it says just to dput the package-version_source.changes file, is it correct for a new packet?
[08:31] <siretart> hey bddebian
[08:32] <siretart> mertiki: yes. look in the changes file and make sure the 'orig.tar.gz' is included
[08:33] <mertiki> Mm, it isn't, and I used -sa with dpkg-buildpackage
[08:33] <bddebian>  -S -sa
[08:33] <bddebian> Oh, nm
[08:33] <mertiki> I used -S -sa -rfakeroot, but I can try again
[08:34] <siretart> hint, you can use changestool to add the orig.tar.gz. or you do it by hand
[08:35] <mertiki> it's just the file name, md5sums and size, I can do this by hand..
[08:35] <mertiki> thanks, I try that..
[08:37] <alex-weej> vmware-player isn't installable in current gutsy... vmware-player-kernel-modules depends vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.16.20-15 but only -2.16.15-23 is in the archives
[08:37] <alex-weej> how do we fix this?
[08:38] <mertiki> to have the exact size of a file, can I use "du -s <filename>"
[08:39] <mertiki> du -b, sorry
[08:42] <siretart> mertiki: you can also use chnagestool for that
[08:42] <siretart> changestool. from the reprepro package
[08:42] <siretart> !reprepro
[08:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reprepro - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:42] <siretart> !info reprepro
[08:42] <ubotu> reprepro: debian package repository producer. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.3.1-1 (feisty), package size 199 kB, installed size 500 kB
[08:42] <mertiki> how does this tool works?
[08:43] <mertiki> changestool addrawfile ?
[08:46] <mertiki> siretart thanks for your help
[08:49] <mertiki> ubuntu is so great :)
[08:50] <ogra> mertiki, you could express that here :) http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=98
[08:51] <mertiki> hehe, I will ;)
[08:52] <mertiki> wow, ubuntu gets a lot of vote
[08:52] <mertiki> and debian too, that's great
[08:53] <ogra> lenovo, the coice of .deb packagers :)
[08:54] <mertiki> :P
[08:56] <mertiki> Mmm. after I got the changefile modified, dput get this error : Bad signature on sunbird-locales_0.5-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[08:57] <mertiki> It's because I modified the file after I signed it, right?
[08:59] <mertiki> Oah... I'm so close to dput the package...
[09:02] <xtknight> _MMA_, did you highlight me?  sorry, my buffer didn't catch your message
[09:04] <_MMA_> xtknight: I was talking with davromaniak about qtpfsgui.
[09:05] <xtknight> _MMA_,  ah, i decided to scrap it and wait for Hardy unless something has changed..
[09:13] <mertiki> I re-signed the file with pgp -sat and my first package is uploaded to REVU, thanks for your help
[09:14] <bddebian> Grr, I don't understand all this pkg-config crap
[09:27] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:27] <ScottK> Hello sistpoty.
[09:28] <sistpoty> sorry, couldn't abstain from sending this reply to the motu ml right now
[09:28] <sistpoty> hi ScottK
[09:30] <mertiki> hi sistpoty
[09:30] <sistpoty> hi mertiki
[09:31] <mertiki> Mmm, seems that REVU accepted my uploaded, but my upload isn't listed correctly yet after 10 minutes in REVU
[09:31] <sistpoty> mertiki: I'll take a look
[09:31] <mertiki> it's sunbird locales
[09:31] <mertiki> thanks!
[09:32] <mertiki> I get directory (/var/revu/revu1-incoming/sunbird-locales-0709072210/) of upload (209) not found
[09:34] <Amaranth> sistpoty: When I do something I either commit to it fully or feel bad about not doing so. Along with triaging all those compiz bugs I also do a huge chunk of irc support for compiz (I forgot to put that in my email)
[09:34] <sistpoty> Amaranth: great... can you follow up with this on the MC mailing list please?
[09:35] <Amaranth> ?
[09:35] <Amaranth> You only emailed me so I only replied to you
[09:36] <sistpoty> Amaranth: yes, right, I forwarded the mail to mc once I noticed this
[09:37] <Amaranth> ah, so i should forward my reply then :)
[09:37] <sistpoty> Amaranth: yeah, right... sorry for the inconvenience ;)
[09:37] <Amaranth> done
[09:38] <sistpoty> thx!
[09:41] <mertiki> sistpoty : my problem don't hurge, but can you see why my upload isn't listen correctly in REVU?
[09:42] <sistpoty> mertiki: not yet, as I'm trying to do two things at once here again... however I'll try to track it down (though I haven't seen this particular error from revu yet=
[09:42] <mertiki> My name is Savann, can this be the  :P
[09:43] <mertiki> sistpoty : If you have more importants things to do, don't loose too much time :) I'm thankful for your help
[09:44] <sistpoty> mertiki: I doubt it's the non ascii character... nonetheless this smells like a revu problem somewhere so I consider it important ;)
[09:44] <mertiki> ok :)
[09:44] <mertiki> I can upload again if necessary
[09:45] <sistpoty> Amaranth: mind if I add the above irc statement from you to my reply?
[09:46] <Amaranth> sistpoty: go ahead
[09:46] <sistpoty> Amaranth: ok, thanks
[09:47] <mertiki> sistpoty : for your information, my package config a source.orig file and failed to upload twice before approval because of a bad signature ( it's my first upload )
[09:47] <mertiki> * my package contain
[09:48] <sistpoty> mertiki: was that accepted upload a native package? (w.o. an orig.tar.gz?)?
[09:48] <norsetto> sistpoty, aka the applicants worst nightmare :-)
[09:48] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:49] <sistpoty> norsetto: someone needs to keep on the grilling that TB did before MC was invented ;)
[09:49] <sistpoty> however right now, I just voted a +1 for Amaranth ;)
[09:50] <mertiki> the upload was accepted with the orig.tar.gz, I just uploaded with dput sunbird-locales_0.5-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[09:50] <Amaranth> sistpoty: woohoo
[09:50] <sistpoty> mertiki: ok
[09:51] <mertiki> You can tell me if I don't give the good answer, maybe that there's some things that I don't know yet and that I should know, I followed the Docs of REVU to upload my package
[09:52] <sistpoty> mertiki: I don't think you did s.th. wrong, but rather that its a revu problem... the dir somehow got mangled to "-0709072210" and it contains only the changes file.
[09:53] <sistpoty> maybe running the process script manually will give some hints
[09:53] <mertiki> strange... the upload was successful for all files.. one by one
[09:53] <mertiki> tell me what to do and I'll do it
[09:55] <sistpoty> I'm just trying to figure myself yet. Give me a minute or so please
[09:55] <mertiki> No problem. I'm there for more than 3 hours
[09:57] <sistpoty> argl... tracebacks everywhere
[09:58] <mertiki> Ha lala :P
[09:58] <bddebian> pidgin-dev has replaced gaim-dev?
[09:59] <mertiki> I would like to help but..
[09:59] <mertiki> this would be logical since Pidgin replaced GAIM in Gutsy
[10:00] <ajmitch> hi
[10:00] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:00] <mertiki> hi :)
[10:00] <bddebian> So are packages like festival-gaim supposed to be festival-pidgin now?
[10:00] <admiralfrosty> I blame Hitler
[10:00] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:01] <mertiki> bddebian : I couln'd tell you
[10:09] <bddebian> Fruck, I was so close...
[10:13] <bddebian> Can I wildcard "case $version in" ?
[10:13] <bddebian> NM, I'm an idiot :-(
[10:15] <ScottK2> StevenK will like this when he reads the scrollback:
[10:16] <ScottK2> Bug #138069 Bug #138071 Bug #138074 Bug #138075 Bug #138077
[10:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138069 in sylpheed-claws-pgpinline-plugin "Please remove sylpheed-claws-pgpinline-plugin 0.5-3 from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138069
[10:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138071 in sylpheed-claws-maildir-plugin "Please remove sylpheed-claws-maildir-plugin 0.7-5 from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138071
[10:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138074 in sylpheed-claws "Please remove sylpheed-claws 1.0.5-5.1 from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138074
[10:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138075 in sylpheed-claws-themes "Please remove sylpheed-claws-themes 20060615-2 from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138075
[10:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138077 in gpgme "Please remove gpgme 0.3.16-2 (source) and related binaries from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138077
[10:16] <pwnguin> 16 dollars shipping for a shirt seems a bit much
[10:16] <ScottK2> keescook: ^^^ sylpheed-claws removal request done (got gpgme at the same time).
[10:16] <sistpoty> and probably me mentioning rfc822parser as well ;)
[10:31] <sistpoty> mertiki: how did you sign the .changes file?
[10:32] <mertiki> I did sign the changes file with pgp -sat
[10:32] <sistpoty> mertiki: oh, I guess that's the problem (seems like it produces an output which doesn't come through rfc822parser)
[10:33] <sistpoty> mertiki: can you sign it using debsign? (debsign <changesfile> or debsign -k<yourkeyid> <changesfile>)?
[10:33] <mertiki> Gniaa... I was sure that there was something around what I did
[10:34] <mertiki> I try this right now
[10:34] <sistpoty> mertiki: no, the real bug is in how rfc822parser tries to remove the signature, but that's unfortunately nontrival to fix (at least for me right now=
[10:34] <sistpoty> mertiki: before reuploading, please wait for my go, as I'll remove the old stuff first
[10:35] <mertiki> I'll not uploaded until you'll say it's ready to
[10:35] <mertiki> upload *
[10:36] <bddebian> Damn I hate doing a bunch of work for nothing :-(
[10:37] <sistpoty> mertiki: go! ;)
[10:38] <mertiki> loll, sorry I'm not ready yet :P
[10:38] <sistpoty> bddebian: that's why I merely file bugs recently... oh wait *g*
[10:38] <bddebian> So, what do we do with all of the *-gaim and gaim-* packages?
[10:38] <bddebian> sistpoty: :)
[10:38] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:39] <mertiki> I just have to look if the md5sums changed..
[10:39] <sistpoty> mertiki: hm?
[10:40] <ScottK> bddebian: apt-get install kopete
[10:41] <sistpoty> mertiki: just build the sourcepackage with dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -us -uc (build source, with orig.tar.gz, don't sign dsc, don't sign changes -- at least that's what I remember these options right now)
[10:41] <mertiki> it's just because dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot doesn't include my orig. tarball in the changefile.. So I have to do it manually
[10:41] <sistpoty> mertiki: no, please don't... if it doesn't include your orig.tar.gz, you'll probably have named it wrong
[10:42] <bddebian> ScottK: ?
[10:42] <mertiki> I used makechange like someone else did me to do... that's bad?
[10:42] <ScottK> bddebian: Just switch to Kubuntu, use Kopete and don't worry, be happy. (re gaim/pigdin).
[10:42] <sistpoty> mertiki: not sure, never heard of makechange yet
[10:43] <bddebian> ScottK: I'm merely talking about the packages in the archives.  I don't use either ;-)
[10:43] <mertiki> sistpoty : ... I can upload a source file same if it's not signed
[10:43] <ScottK> know/knows
[10:44] <sistpoty> mertiki: the orig.tar.gz must always be named <sourcepackagename>_<upstream_version>.orig.tar.gz. then it will be automatically included when call dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa
[10:44] <mertiki> my tarball is named : sunbird-locales_0.5-0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz
[10:44] <mertiki> is it right?
[10:45] <sistpoty> mertiki: no, the orig.tar.gz refers to the exact upstream version, so it shouldn't reflect any debian/ubuntu version
[10:45] <mertiki> Ha!
[10:45] <keescook> ScottK2: sweet; thanks!
[10:45] <sistpoty> mertiki: so it should be sunbird-locales_0.5.orig.tar.gz
[10:45] <mertiki> The magic explanation!! Great!
[10:49] <mertiki> I created the package with dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot ( like described in the online docs ) with the good tarball name, should I proceed to the upload ?
[10:49] <mertiki> ( the changefile is ok now )
[10:49] <sistpoty> mertiki: yes, please!
[10:49] <ScottK> keescook: If you can manage to stand over the (virtual) shoulder of an archive admin and get them to process those, that'd be cool.
[10:50] <sistpoty> hm... to any kde folks: is it safe to upgrade to the updated kmail? (just weary, since I couldn't read mail after the last but one upgrade *g*)
[10:50] <mertiki> it's uploaded
[10:51] <sistpoty> mertiki: ok, cron should hit it in 8 minutes, let's just wait and see, shall we?
[10:51] <mertiki> ya!
[10:52] <keescook> ScottK: I'm on the opposite timezone from most of them, but it'll happen, no rush, I think.
[10:52] <ScottK> OK.
[10:52] <mertiki> sistpoty : Thanks a lot for all your precious help
[10:52] <sistpoty> mertiki: thanks for contributing ;)
[10:52] <mertiki> :)
[10:53] <sistpoty> ScottK: yes, and I guess someone with rosetta knowledge as well ;)
[10:53] <sistpoty> (you know what I mean *g*)
[10:53] <ScottK> Yep.
[10:54] <bddebian> What's the best linux headers package to build-dep on?  linux-headers-generic ?
[10:55] <sistpoty> bddebian: for a kernel package? I guess it is then.
[10:56] <bddebian> freej has some assembler code in it that includes linux/linkage.h
[10:56] <xtknight_> what about linux-headers-server, -rt etc
[10:57] <xtknight_> (if someone has rt/server kernel w/ no generic headers installed)
[10:58] <sistpoty> bddebian: hm... might be the userspace headers then, iirc in linux-libc-dev
[11:01] <bddebian> sistpoty: Ah, I'll try that thanks
[11:02] <mertiki> sistpoty : it works! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=211
[11:03] <sistpoty> mertiki: congrats ;)
[11:03] <mertiki> thanks! It's my first package, I hope that it will be ok :)
[11:04] <sistpoty> mertiki: I guess you should now starting to file a new package exception...
[11:04] <sistpoty> !UVFE
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uvfe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:04] <ogra> !uvf
[11:04] <ubotu> uvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[11:05] <ogra> ;
[11:05] <sistpoty> hm... ubotu: tell me the page which links to the exception process ;)
[11:05] <ogra> )
[11:05] <sistpoty> thx ogra
[11:05] <mertiki> sistpoty : what do you mean exactly? You speak about the problems that I had with REVU?
[11:05] <mertiki> haha
[11:05] <sistpoty> mertiki: no, we currently don't accept any new packages, unless you get an exception for it
[11:06] <mertiki> Ok I get it :)
[11:08] <mertiki> sistpoty : it's writen that I should attach diffstat files, but it's actually the first Sunbird langpacks release
[11:09] <mertiki> sistpoty : I didn't say anything, just need to learn to read until the end :P
[11:10] <sladen> mertiki: you could diff it against an empty tree :)
[11:11] <mertiki> oh.. yeah? There's a NewPackagesFreeze section which tells only to file a bug and subscribe motu-uvf
[11:12] <mertiki> wouldn't that be better?
[11:13] <sistpoty> mertiki: hehe, was out for a cigarette anyways ;)
[11:13] <mertiki> hehe :d
[11:14] <sistpoty> and now I've got to reboot... finally it looks like that the nvidia driver issue for 8000er cards is fixed *g*
[11:14] <sistpoty> cya later
[11:14] <mertiki> I don't know if it looks like I'm not a native english person, but it's the case, I'm french, so that's why I take a lot of time to speak here :P
[11:15] <mertiki> cool, @++
[11:15] <mertiki> ah goutsh..
[11:23] <bddebian> Damn linux-libc-dev no worky :-(
[11:27] <crimsun> nice, dholbach's The Man! again
[11:28] <bddebian> No, YOU da man! :)
[11:28] <crimsun> nope ;)
[11:29] <ogra> crimsun, as long as we know you are, you're free to deny as much as you like ;)
[11:29] <bddebian> heh
[11:30] <ajmitch> wonderful, even crimsun & ogra are alive today :)
[11:34] <sistpoty> hm... seems like I'm out of luck with my nvidia card
[11:34] <bddebian> Grr, I give up, I can't fix shite anymore :-(
[11:34] <ajmitch> sistpoty: how so?
[11:35] <sistpoty> ajmitch: it's an 8000er, and bug #98641 is biting me for much too long
[11:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "[nvidia-glx-new]  Driver is missing libwfb breaking X on 8000 series cards" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98641
[11:35] <sistpoty> (and I still can't find libwfb anywhere in today's update)
[11:38] <ajmitch> ah
[11:39] <ajmitch> so you decided to grill jono on the mailing list instead? ;)
[11:39] <sistpoty> ajmitch: no, that was before trying the update ;)
[11:39] <ajmitch> we'll miss your interrogationg on the MC list :)
[11:40] <sistpoty> ajmitch: however I read #-motu logs, and thought that I'm not the only person who was a little bit puzzled
[11:40] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:41] <ajmitch> libwfb is probably in binary NEW
[11:41] <sistpoty> so I thought the best thing would be to bring all concerns up right now in a public manner (I actually started to write jono a private mail before, but decided otherwise then)
[11:41] <ajmitch> thanks for that :)
[11:41] <sistpoty> no problem, I'll take the blame for this post on my shoulders ;)
[11:42] <ajmitch> hah
[11:42] <sistpoty> hm... I'm wondering why libwfb isn't included in nvidia-glx-new, as it's "only" an xserver module (but I must admit, that I know nothing about xserver stuff)
[11:45] <sistpoty> hm... my old one (as in pci-e) died soon after getting my new box, and now I'm ended up with a credit note for the bill, and - because I didn't have a pci-e card lying around - I purchased the "hot new stuff"
[11:45] <ScottK> asisak: I got my testing taken care of, so nevermind.
[11:46] <asisak> Hey ScottK
[11:46] <asisak> Cool. I had less time then I had expected.
[11:46] <ScottK> Hey.  Gotta go play Daddy for a while.  No problem.
[11:48] <asisak> I am not a daddy :)
[12:48] <asisak> see you later
[12:53] <pwnguin> what's the policy with universe and pam modules?
[12:54] <geser> what kind of policy?
[12:56] <pwnguin> the kind where someone takes an experimental package from debian and puts it into hardy
[12:57] <sistpoty> pwnguin: the usual uvf process applies, if it's a new upstream version
[12:57] <pkern> He said Hardy...
[12:57] <sistpoty> oh, hardy, i.c.
[12:57] <pwnguin> i was just thinking since these are security tools, it might have some extra scruitiny requirements
[12:58] <pwnguin> ive got a fingerprint reader pam tool in my ppa
[12:58] <sistpoty> then, if you're a motu, and think its fit for uploading fire off. Hence only good judgement of the motu taking care of the upload applies
[12:58] <pwnguin> i dont think its ready for gutsy, but it might be worth becoming an motu during hardy for
[12:59] <pwnguin> but i dont know much about pam, so i thought maybe there were some guidelines on how to not screw up ;)
[01:00] <sistpoty> for getting new packages in it's best to check out debian guidelines. maybe there is a pam policy. ajmitch: do you happen to know?