=== valles_ [n=valles@200.71.131.58] has joined #edubuntu === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@pool-71-97-128-117.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:05] ogra: the update-rc.d man-page doesn't mention that it actually stops/starts/restarts services. [02:05] ogra: Also, the invoke-rc.d man-page says "All access to the init scripts by Debian packages' maintainer scripts should be done through invoke-rc.d." [02:07] ogra: Also, invoke-rc.d checks for the existence of the specified init script. I'm not sure it's necessary to wrap the invoke-rc.d invocation with if [ -e /etc/init.d/blah ] ; then... === TelnetManta [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu [02:15] moquist: but it doesn't work right in the case of moodle === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-20-34.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [02:23] LaserJock: Yeah. But it /ought/ to work. === tck [n=tck@212.2.167.66] has joined #edubuntu === valles_ is now known as effie_jayx === sirskeleton [n=chatzill@208.73.248.88] has joined #edubuntu === tck_ [n=tck@213-202-179-104.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-245-164-226.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [04:09] evening [04:09] sbalneav: what time is it there? [04:09] hey [04:09] 21:09 [04:10] gettin tired [04:11] what are you? 1 hour or 2 behind me? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:13] gotta be at least 2 [04:13] I'm in Pacific time [04:14] Just starting to dig into thin client manager [04:16] I just got notes from my boss [04:16] for the class I'm teaching Monday [04:16] my first go at doing a university lecture :-) [04:16] Dude! [04:16] it's a senior level Physical Chemistry class to boot [04:16] First year students? [04:17] no, 37 seniors [04:17] wow [04:17] I'm a tad nervous [04:17] my boss has to be gone and none of the other faculty could fill in [04:17] hey, you've heard of the old joke of how you can tell the organic from the inorganic chemists, right? [04:17] so he asked me [04:18] no [04:18] No? [04:18] The inorganic chemists wash their hands BEFORE they go to the restroom :) [04:18] That was told to my on my first day of university chem [04:19] which was my first class in uni. [04:19] So, it stuck [04:19] By the prof, incedentally :) [04:19] heh [04:24] So, I'm looking at something lighter weight than vnc for tcm [04:24] basically, coming up with a screenshot app === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@92-10-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === tck [n=tck@212.2.180.125] has joined #edubuntu === t94xr [n=gta@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu === t94xr_ [n=gta@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === raynerd [n=raynerd@79-65-78-77.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.125] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [i=jean@pot44-1-88-172-65-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.97.40] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@c-67-167-13-198.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp66-57.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === jessejazza [n=chatzill@host86-132-73-204.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === roman [n=chatzill@pc38102.ichf.edu.pl] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani_ [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani__ [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === shriphani__ is now known as shriphani === roman [n=chatzill@pc38102.ichf.edu.pl] has left #edubuntu [] === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === Castigador [n=Alfredo@88.Red-80-38-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === pengen_jago [n=pengen_j@124.81.87.4] has joined #edubuntu [11:43] hallo [11:44] would somebody help me? [11:45] i want to sharing my printer to win xp clients [11:45] ahhh... capeeekkkkk deeehhhh.... [11:46] chating ma mesin... huhuhuhuhu.... === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [11:48] that was the first time I saw such crap on freenode. === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === t94xr [n=gta@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === Castigador [n=Alfredo@88.Red-80-38-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === bambi_bo1h [n=kgoetz@ppp100-144.static.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp66-57.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #edubuntu [] === bambi_bo1h is now known as kgoetz === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [01:23] ogra: I managed to have italc working with the thin clients (and managed from a Windows computer) === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === t94xr [n=gta@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@c-67-167-13-198.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === Baby [n=miry@pdpc/supporter/silver/kavi/baby] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #edubuntu [03:03] morning all [03:11] hi sbalneav [03:13] sbalneav: I managed to have italc running on thin clients :) but some functions still don't work (shutdown/log out/demo mode) [03:14] sbalneav: demo should be easy to solve, logout I don't really see why it doesn't work, shutdown will be a problem but isn't necessary where I'm installing the network [03:18] I don't know what italc is? Something like TCP/SCP? [03:18] If so, it may need modification to the way we handle the thin client logins. [03:21] sbalneav: http://italc.sourceforge.net/ [03:22] it's being used to control some Windows classrooms here and can also be used on Linux (their modified VNC really works fine) [03:35] Wheeeheee, ollie's and my UVFe was accepted. [03:35] ltspfs 0.5 finally upstream === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-191-75.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Castigador [n=Alfredo@88.Red-80-38-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === stgraber [n=stgraber@dakara.stgraber.org] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@pool-71-97-128-117.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === jessejazza [n=chatzill@host86-132-73-204.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@92-10-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === encompass [n=encompas@dsl-hvkgw1-fe6ffa00-119.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw [n=paul@pool179.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === MartinW [n=MartinW@vc-196-207-45-246.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [07:50] Hello [07:53] I've got a very old PC with 128mb RAM (It was top of the line ;-) ) which I plan to set up with Linux and donate to a school. This is the only computer the school is going to get so I won't need networking. Would edubuntu work (Preferably LTS) or should I go for xubuntu? Perhaps another flavor of linux? What would you reccomend? [08:02] Thanks for reading this, but I managed to solve it by asking on #ubuntu. === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-241-162-151.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === boyam [i=boyam@166-82-81-31.quickclick.ctc.net] has joined #edubuntu === cje [n=kipp@adsl-75-37-94-238.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:17] hi, I am a volunteer supporting a public middle school in an attempt to move to FOSS on edubuntu, and we are having a networking issue. Is there anyone here who has experience with networking with legacy Windows desktops? [10:20] cje, go ahead and ask your question...don't know if i can hlp..someone that can will chime in.... [10:20] boyam: k, thx, I'm typing now [10:21] boyam, we are trying to talk to a bunch of windows boxes [10:23] every time that we reboot the server, we get a new IP address. But the Windows boxes are still trying to find the edubuntu box under the old DNS. [10:26] hmmm...have you trie increasing your dhcp lease time to something higher, like 7 days? [10:28] boyam, we are not sure how to do that, and wouldn't that just push our problem out 7 days? [10:28] well when you reboot the server, it should honor those lease times givin your clients the same ip [10:29] so dns doesn't have an issue by having stale dns entries for the clients [10:31] is your dhcp server rdubuntu? [10:31] *edubuntu [10:33] boyam, we believe that the dhcp server is an ATT router. Does that make sense? [10:34] sure..i've got routers actin as dhcp server...the router..is it managed by ATT? === pitux [n=pitux@92-10-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@92-10-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [10:41] I don't think it is managed by anyone :) [10:42] hmmm...ok... [10:45] what i don't understand is why when you reboot the server, you get a new address...when the router is handing out the address.... [10:45] boyam, we are getting closer. More details in a secy. [10:45] thx [10:49] np [10:52] boyam, okay, now the weird problem is that the MAC address on our ASUS V2 edubuntu server keeps changing every time we reboot the machine! [10:53] mac adresss changes????? [10:53] that shouldn't happen...how many nics in the server? [10:54] boyam, one. [10:54] boyam, I know, it is weird. We are confused, too. [10:55] is ther some setting in th bios that makes the mac dynamic or something?...the mac is normally burned into the nic so to speak... [10:56] boyam, thx, that is what we are checking now. [10:58] boyam, just to ask a really stupid question, isn't the MAC address the number that appears on the first line of the output of ifconfig? [10:59] for example, eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:1B:43:76:33 [11:02] yep === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #edubuntu [11:05] if your mac is changing..you don't have a dns issue, you have an arp cache issue... [11:08] k, thanks, interesting. we haven't heard of arp cache issues. Any recommendations as to how to diagnose it and solve it? Thanks a bunch. [11:10] firstly...solve your mac changing issue, by either taking out/disabling that nic and replacing it...this will stabilize the mac and your arp cache will stabilize [11:12] when working in a tcp/ip environment..folks tend to forget about layer 1 and 2...which includes the mac address..if the mac isn't right....IP in turn will not work... === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [11:14] boyam, k, thx, we are going to get another NIC and try that. [11:15] is the existing nic onboard? [11:15] or pci card [11:17] boyam, yes, it is on-board, and we are in the process of installing a new NIC. [11:18] ok... === rdvon [n=rdvon@c-76-28-153-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:21] hi [11:21] hi [11:21] hi [11:21] rdvon, hi [11:21] rdvon, how are you? [11:21] I'm fine. [11:21] I just wanted to see how many people actually used this os.. [11:21] not many :) [11:22] lol... [11:23] is this os meant for schools... or for kids.. or what? I'm really not sure :\ [11:23] rdvon..both [11:23] oh. [11:24] but wouldn't it be easier to just download all the packages on ubuntu or something? does it use gnome? [11:26] sigh [11:27] everyone has their own way of doing things i guess === n2diy_ [n=darryl@wlk-barre-208-103-148-76.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [12:26] boyam, swapping in a new nic and setting a static ip cleared up almost all the problems === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === t94xr_ [n=gta@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu [12:47] ogra, LaserJock: good news - I got around the moodle removal bug... || true seems to have fixed it. === moquist blushes deeply [12:47] ogra, LaserJock: my latest package is on its way to REVU right now [12:47] oh, right [12:47] great [12:47] LaserJock: but invoke-rc.d was *completing*... [12:47] cje:great [12:48] I don't get it, but at least it's working now. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #edubuntu === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-191-75.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [12:49] LaserJock: Sorry; I meant that the script was getting to 'exit 0' at the end and doing so; that's the important part. (invoke-rc.d could *complete*, but with a non-zero RC and break things.) [12:50] that makes some sense, I don't know that I would have thought of that right away though, obviously ;-) [12:50] LaserJock: will you be able to test the package and get back to me? should I be doing anything more right now? [12:50] as soon as they are up I'll test them [12:51] moquist: did you do the -standalone metapackage yet? [12:51] No. So I should work on that, then. :) [12:51] yeah, you could work on that while I'm testing [12:52] it should be just a matter of creating a new binary stanza in debian/control [12:52] the upload to REVU is complete