[02:05] <moquist> ogra: the update-rc.d man-page doesn't mention that it actually stops/starts/restarts services.
[02:05] <moquist> ogra: Also, the invoke-rc.d man-page says "All access to the init scripts by Debian packages' maintainer scripts should be done through invoke-rc.d."
[02:07] <moquist> ogra: Also, invoke-rc.d checks for the existence of the specified init script. I'm not sure it's necessary to wrap the invoke-rc.d invocation with if [ -e /etc/init.d/blah ] ; then...
[02:15] <LaserJock> moquist: but it doesn't work right in the case of moodle
[02:23] <moquist> LaserJock: Yeah. But it /ought/ to work.
[04:09] <LaserJock> evening
[04:09] <LaserJock> sbalneav: what time is it there?
[04:09] <sbalneav> hey
[04:09] <sbalneav> 21:09
[04:10] <sbalneav> gettin tired
[04:11] <sbalneav> what are you?  1 hour or 2 behind me?
[04:13] <LaserJock> gotta be at least 2
[04:13] <LaserJock> I'm in Pacific time
[04:14] <sbalneav> Just starting to dig into thin client manager
[04:16] <LaserJock> I just got notes from my boss
[04:16] <LaserJock> for the class I'm teaching Monday
[04:16] <LaserJock> my first go at doing a university lecture :-)
[04:16] <sbalneav> Dude!
[04:16] <LaserJock> it's a senior level Physical Chemistry class to boot
[04:16] <sbalneav> First year students?
[04:17] <LaserJock> no, 37 seniors
[04:17] <sbalneav> wow
[04:17] <LaserJock> I'm a tad nervous
[04:17] <LaserJock> my boss has to be gone and none of the other faculty could fill in
[04:17] <sbalneav> hey, you've heard of the old joke of how you can tell the organic from the inorganic chemists, right?
[04:17] <LaserJock> so he asked me
[04:18] <LaserJock> no
[04:18] <sbalneav> No?
[04:18] <sbalneav> The inorganic chemists wash their hands BEFORE they go to the restroom :)
[04:18] <sbalneav> That was told to my on my first day of university chem
[04:19] <sbalneav> which was my first class in uni.
[04:19] <sbalneav> So, it stuck
[04:19] <sbalneav> By the prof, incedentally :)
[04:19] <LaserJock> heh
[04:24] <sbalneav> So, I'm looking at something lighter weight than vnc for tcm
[04:24] <sbalneav> basically, coming up with a screenshot app
[11:43] <pengen_jago> hallo
[11:44] <pengen_jago> would somebody help me?
[11:45] <pengen_jago> i want to sharing my printer to win xp clients
[11:45] <pengen_jago> ahhh... capeeekkkkk deeehhhh....
[11:46] <pengen_jago> chating ma mesin... huhuhuhuhu....
[11:48] <shriphani> that was the first time I saw such crap on freenode.
[01:23] <stgraber> ogra: I managed to have italc working with the thin clients (and managed from a Windows computer)
[03:03] <sbalneav> morning all
[03:11] <stgraber> hi sbalneav
[03:13] <stgraber> sbalneav: I managed to have italc running on thin clients :) but some functions still don't work (shutdown/log out/demo mode)
[03:14] <stgraber> sbalneav: demo should be easy to solve, logout I don't really see why it doesn't work, shutdown will be a problem but isn't necessary where I'm installing the network
[03:18] <sbalneav> I don't know what italc is?  Something like TCP/SCP?
[03:18] <sbalneav> If so, it may need modification to the way we handle the thin client logins.
[03:21] <stgraber> sbalneav: http://italc.sourceforge.net/
[03:22] <stgraber> it's being used to control some Windows classrooms here and can also be used on Linux (their modified VNC really works fine)
[03:35] <sbalneav> Wheeeheee, ollie's and my UVFe was accepted.
[03:35] <sbalneav> ltspfs 0.5 finally upstream
[07:50] <MartinW> Hello
[07:53] <MartinW> I've got a very old PC with 128mb RAM (It was top of the line ;-) ) which I plan to set up with Linux and donate to a school. This is the only computer the school is going to get so I won't need networking. Would edubuntu work (Preferably LTS) or should I go for xubuntu? Perhaps another flavor of linux? What would you reccomend?
[08:02] <MartinW> Thanks for reading this, but I managed to solve it by asking on #ubuntu.
[10:17] <cje> hi, I am a volunteer supporting a public middle school in an attempt to move to FOSS on edubuntu, and we are having a networking issue.  Is there anyone here who has experience with networking with legacy Windows desktops?
[10:20] <boyam> cje, go ahead and ask your question...don't know if i can hlp..someone that can will chime in....
[10:20] <cje> boyam: k, thx, I'm typing now
[10:21] <cje> boyam, we are trying to talk to a bunch of windows boxes
[10:23] <cje> every time that we reboot the server, we get a new IP address.  But the Windows boxes are still trying to find the edubuntu box under the old DNS.
[10:26] <boyam> hmmm...have you trie increasing your dhcp lease time to something higher, like 7 days?
[10:28] <cje> boyam, we are not sure how to do that, and wouldn't that just push our problem out 7 days?
[10:28] <boyam> well when you reboot the server, it should honor those lease times givin your clients the same ip
[10:29] <boyam> so dns doesn't have an issue by having stale dns entries for the clients
[10:31] <boyam> is  your dhcp server rdubuntu?
[10:31] <boyam> *edubuntu
[10:33] <cje> boyam, we believe that the dhcp server is an ATT router.  Does that make sense?
[10:34] <boyam> sure..i've got routers actin as dhcp server...the router..is it managed by ATT?
[10:41] <cje> I don't think it is managed by anyone :)
[10:42] <boyam> hmmm...ok...
[10:45] <boyam> what i don't understand is why when you reboot the server, you get a new address...when the router is handing out the address....
[10:45] <cje> boyam, we are getting closer.  More details in a secy.
[10:45] <cje> thx
[10:49] <boyam> np
[10:52] <cje> boyam, okay, now the weird problem is that the MAC address on our ASUS V2 edubuntu server keeps changing every time we reboot the machine!
[10:53] <boyam> mac adresss changes?????
[10:53] <boyam> that shouldn't happen...how many nics in the server?
[10:54] <cje> boyam, one.
[10:54] <cje> boyam, I know, it is weird.  We are confused, too.
[10:55] <boyam> is ther some setting in th bios that makes the mac dynamic or something?...the mac is normally burned into the nic so to speak...
[10:56] <cje> boyam, thx, that is what we are checking now.
[10:58] <cje> boyam, just to ask a really stupid question, isn't the MAC address the number that appears on the first line of the output of ifconfig?
[10:59] <cje> for example, eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:30:1B:43:76:33
[11:02] <boyam> yep
[11:05] <boyam> if your mac is changing..you don't have a dns issue, you have an arp cache issue...
[11:08] <cje> k, thanks, interesting.  we haven't heard of arp cache issues.  Any recommendations as to how to diagnose it and solve it?  Thanks a bunch.
[11:10] <boyam> firstly...solve your mac changing issue, by either taking out/disabling that nic and replacing it...this will stabilize the mac and your arp cache will stabilize
[11:12] <boyam> when working in a tcp/ip environment..folks tend to forget about layer 1 and 2...which includes the mac address..if the mac isn't right....IP in turn will not work...
[11:14] <cje> boyam, k, thx, we are going to get another NIC and try that.
[11:15] <boyam> is the existing nic onboard?
[11:15] <boyam> or pci card
[11:17] <cje> boyam, yes, it is on-board, and we are in the process of installing a new NIC.
[11:18] <boyam> ok...
[11:21] <rdvon> hi
[11:21] <rdvon> hi
[11:21] <rdvon> hi
[11:21] <cje> rdvon, hi
[11:21] <cje> rdvon, how are you?
[11:21] <rdvon> I'm fine.
[11:21] <rdvon> I just wanted to see how many people actually used this os..
[11:21] <rdvon> not many :)
[11:22] <boyam> lol...
[11:23] <rdvon> is this os meant for schools... or for kids.. or what? I'm really not sure :\
[11:23] <boyam> rdvon..both
[11:23] <rdvon> oh.
[11:24] <rdvon> but wouldn't it be easier to just download all the packages on ubuntu or something? does it use gnome?
[11:26] <boyam> sigh
[11:27] <boyam> everyone has their own way of doing things i guess
[12:26] <cje> boyam, swapping in a new nic and setting a static ip cleared up almost all the problems
[12:47] <moquist> ogra, LaserJock: good news - I got around the moodle removal bug... || true seems to have fixed it.
[12:47] <moquist> ogra, LaserJock: my latest package is on its way to REVU right now
[12:47] <LaserJock> oh, right
[12:47] <LaserJock> great
[12:47] <moquist> LaserJock: but invoke-rc.d was *completing*...
[12:47] <boyam> cje:great
[12:48] <moquist> I don't get it, but at least it's working now.
[12:49] <moquist> LaserJock: Sorry; I meant that the script was getting to 'exit 0' at the end and doing so; that's the important part. (invoke-rc.d could *complete*, but with a non-zero RC and break things.)
[12:50] <LaserJock> that makes some sense, I don't know that I would have thought of that right away though, obviously ;-)
[12:50] <moquist> LaserJock: will you be able to test the package and get back to me? should I be doing anything more right now?
[12:50] <LaserJock> as soon as they are up I'll test them
[12:51] <LaserJock> moquist: did you do the -standalone metapackage yet?
[12:51] <moquist> No. So I should work on that, then. :)
[12:51] <LaserJock> yeah, you could work on that while I'm testing
[12:52] <LaserJock> it should be just a matter of creating a new binary stanza in debian/control
[12:52] <moquist> the upload to REVU is complete