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| nixternal | argh, beta 2 doesn't work for me...anyone else have a problem with plasma not showing 2 boxes in the kicker, or a menu button? is there a way to fix this? | 04:45 |
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| mluser | same problem here :( | 04:45 |
| nixternal | well this stinks | 04:46 |
| nixternal | I had the same problem with an svn checkout as well | 04:46 |
| mluser | most kde4 programs are segfaulting when I run them | 04:46 |
| nixternal | I think it worked in Xephyr though | 04:46 |
| mluser | I'm not sure the environment is being exported correctly | 04:47 |
| nixternal | I am in KDE 4 now with Konsole running this irssi session | 04:47 |
| mluser | whats the name of the kicker replacement? | 04:47 |
| stdin | I've seen a lot of people say it's not working | 04:47 |
| nixternal | plasma | 04:47 |
| nixternal | konqi crashes in kde 4 as well | 04:47 |
| mluser | konqueror runs for me.. as long as I dont click on certain parts of it :) | 04:48 |
| nixternal | konqueror(6474) kdemain: main() -> no argsSegmentation fault | 04:48 |
| stdin | seems to work for me | 04:49 |
| mluser | how are you starting it stdin? | 04:49 |
| mluser | kde4 not konqueror | 04:49 |
| mluser | from kdm or Xephyr? | 04:49 |
| stdin | mluser: konqueror, not the whole KDE4, I get the same problem with no bar at the bottom as everyone else | 04:50 |
| mluser | ok | 04:50 |
| nixternal | now how to people have the groovy kickers that I have been seeing in the screenshots? | 04:51 |
| stdin | maybe they are running the svn version, I know compiling the release source packages gives the same results as the debs | 04:52 |
| nixternal | ahhh..no the reason is because what we need is in the KDE 4 playground | 04:53 |
| stdin | ahh, yeah. that would make sense | 04:54 |
| mluser | Is there a way to disable strigi from comming up on startup? | 04:59 |
| bddebian | Any of you familiar with p2kmoto? | 05:05 |
| bddebian | Oh, jridell uploaded it | 05:06 |
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| mluser | anyone have a good howto for pairing devices (specificaly a bluetooth headset) with gutsy? | 05:24 |
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| blekos | hi, dont know if there is a developer here, but I think you should know that UUID causes quite a problems I've posted it as a bug | 10:42 |
| blekos | could you tell me how i can use nvidia restricted driver? I can't find the restricted manager (gui) | 10:43 |
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| Jucato | if you're on gutsy, it should be in System Settings -> Advanced tab | 10:44 |
| blekos | i'm on gutsy, yes i saw it thnx | 10:44 |
| Jucato | as for the UUID thing, #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-kernel would probably be the best place for that. but the bug report is fine | 10:45 |
| blekos | ok | 10:46 |
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| mhb | good morning fellow Kubuntu creators and fans | 11:42 |
| Jucato | moin mhb | 11:43 |
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| superstoned | morning | 12:28 |
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| Jucato | hm.. do we have a KDE 4 package for playground/plasma? | 12:36 |
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| mhb | Jucato: I doubt it | 12:41 |
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| Jucato | wishful thinking :) | 12:41 |
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| Viper550 | I think I already found a Gutsy bug | 03:24 |
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| Viper550 | When I started it, I got a huge resolution in VMWare Server (LARGER THAN MY SCREEN!) | 03:26 |
| Viper550 | So, I obviously went to the Screen Resolution applet | 03:27 |
| Viper550 | BUT, when I went to change it, you have to click that box to confirm it, but it went by VERY FAST | 03:28 |
| Viper550 | you there? | 03:30 |
| stdin | it waits 15 seconds, just checked | 03:31 |
| stdin | sounds more like a vmware bug | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | only vaguely. very vaguely | 03:31 |
| Viper550 | there any way to set resolution on the boot menu? | 03:31 |
| stdin | doesn't the liveCD give you that option? | 03:32 |
| Viper550 | that's what I'm using | 03:32 |
| stdin | before you choose "Start or install Kubuntu" | 03:32 |
| stdin | it's f4 or something | 03:32 |
| Viper550 | okay, I did that, looks like it's doing something but the screen is garbled | 03:34 |
| Viper550 | STILL huge. | 03:34 |
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| Viper550 | going to try VirtualBox, see if anything happens differently | 03:37 |
| Viper550 | and usplash is broken I see | 03:38 |
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| Viper550 | yeah, updated VirtualBox, it's booting now. also lol, no usplash | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | do we have any people here interested in mentoring stuff? | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: how's kde4 for mentoring? | 04:10 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: I could do some mentoring, I guess. | 04:15 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: if you consider me experienced enough :o) | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: i dont know what they're looking for, in particular. | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: there's a thread on ubuntu-devel-discuss, about mentoring of italian students for implementing specs on ubuntu | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: it would probably be smart to get some of these people involved in ubuntu | 04:16 |
| mhb | ah. Well, I can't really do much GTK/GNOME-related mentoring. | 04:17 |
| mhb | But if they are looking for KDE/Kubuntu mentors, I'd apply. | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | they dont say - i suspectthey'll pick anything interesting looking | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | and if you say "we've got kde/kubuntu people who are happy to mentor", then i suspect tehy'll pick kubuntu stuff. | 04:20 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: do you know whom should I contact? | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | see u-d-d ML | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | yay, closed 16 bugs. | 04:22 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: you actually here now? | 04:25 |
| larsivi | anyone here heard of the WM not being able to pick up the X settings ? | 04:38 |
| larsivi | KDE believe that I have 1024x768, wheras it is 1200x800 | 04:39 |
| larsivi | X knows this (xrandr shows that) and I can move the pointer and windows over the full screen | 04:39 |
| mhb | larsivi: could you please be more specific? | 04:39 |
| mhb | larsivi: "KDE believes" is hard to debug, please tell us which app believes that | 04:40 |
| larsivi | but if I maximize a window, it maximizes if screen is 1024x768 | 04:40 |
| larsivi | mhb: all of KDE, including KDM | 04:40 |
| larsivi | I see the same with Xfce, btw and I experienced the same when upgrading X earlier this year independently from the ubuntu updates to test a new driver | 04:41 |
| mhb | so both KDE and XFCE have this error? | 04:42 |
| larsivi | yes | 04:42 |
| larsivi | did the xrandr interface (that the system settings use) change with the previous X release? I think I heard something about it ... | 04:43 |
| mhb | larsivi: it did change, yes. However, most people are not experiencing any issues like that. | 04:43 |
| larsivi | could it be due to me having widescreen laptops? | 04:44 |
| larsivi | such that default settings usually looks smart? | 04:44 |
| mhb | larsivi: I am having one and working fine with the latest X | 04:44 |
| mhb | so it could be a laptop-specific problem | 04:44 |
| larsivi | I installed gutsy on this one yesterday, the other is running feisty, but with a post-feisty X | 04:45 |
| larsivi | both laptops | 04:45 |
| larsivi | if I connect an external monitor, it seems that one gets correct settings | 04:45 |
| larsivi | I will create a bug report and upload a couple of screen shots | 04:49 |
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| fdoving | larsivi: do you use xrandr to set the correct resolution, or does xorg find the correct one itself? | 05:01 |
| fdoving | xrandr did change not too long ago. | 05:02 |
| fdoving | i belive feisty does have xrandr 1.2. | 05:02 |
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| fdoving | larsivi: do you have any devices connected, that could report a maximum resoluiton of 1024x768? (xrandr will tell you) | 05:11 |
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| Hobbsee | greetings, fdoving | 05:11 |
| fdoving | hi hobbsee :) | 05:11 |
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| Jucato | live long and prosper! | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | i havent accepted the shift yet | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | and yes, i'ts 1am | 05:13 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 05:13 |
| fdoving | larsivi: did you ask for suggestions in #xorg or #xorg-devel ? | 05:16 |
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| fdoving | larsivi: did you report that bug? | 05:56 |
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| larsivi | fdoving: sorry, needed to attend some family - will report the bug a bit later | 06:24 |
| larsivi | fdoving: xrandr on the command line reports the correct settings, and the screen has the correct resolution | 06:24 |
| larsivi | it | 06:24 |
| fdoving | ok. | 06:24 |
| larsivi | it's things placed by kde (kwin?) that are placed incorrectly | 06:24 |
| fdoving | does the same thing happen for xfce/gnome? | 06:25 |
| fdoving | or is it just kwin? | 06:25 |
| larsivi | fdoving: same thing happened with xfce, haven't tried gnome | 06:27 |
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| fdoving | larsivi: ok, atleast we know it's not kde-specific then. | 06:27 |
| fdoving | larsivi: if you take a screenshot, will it include a black/blank field? | 06:28 |
| fdoving | larsivi: you're not using compiz or similar, right? | 06:29 |
| larsivi | fdoving: not unless it is on by default :) | 06:30 |
| fdoving | ok. | 06:30 |
| larsivi | fdoving: I have a screenshot of a "maximized" window, + 1 with kde settings and xrandr output | 06:30 |
| fdoving | url? | 06:31 |
| larsivi | fdoving: http://larsivi.net/files/detectingwrongscreensize.png | 06:37 |
| larsivi | fdoving: http://larsivi.net/files/xrandrandkdesettings.png | 06:38 |
| larsivi | will create the bug report later tonight, I think | 06:38 |
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| fdoving | larsivi: did you do anything special to make the kicker extend to the full width or does it do that? | 07:01 |
| fdoving | larsivi: and what if you disconnect the TV? | 07:02 |
| fdoving | .. then restart x maybe. | 07:02 |
| larsivi | fdoving: I just moved kicker, and it fixed itself | 07:06 |
| fdoving | ok. | 07:07 |
| larsivi | but it starts in the wrong position | 07:07 |
| larsivi | on another laptop with a similar problem (feisty), I usually connect an external monitor and it behaves correctly | 07:08 |
| larsivi | if I restart without it, all previous positioning is forgotten | 07:08 |
| fdoving | if you kill kdesktop then restart it, does it fix the issue? 'dcop kdesktop MainApplication-Interface quit && kdesktop&' | 07:08 |
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| larsivi | fdoving: no immediate effect, no | 07:11 |
| fdoving | k. | 07:11 |
| fdoving | what about kwin: 'kwin --replace' | 07:11 |
| larsivi | nope | 07:13 |
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| fdoving | ok. | 07:13 |
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| larsivi | fdoving: actually, the kwin --replace messed up quite a bit :) | 07:27 |
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| larsivi | fdoving: do you have a guess on which component I should file this bug? | 07:31 |
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| fdoving | larsivi: i'd say xorg. | 07:36 |
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| fdoving | larsivi: including /var/log/Xorg.0.log and 'lspci -v' in the bugreport might help. | 07:39 |
| larsivi | fdoving: thanks (although it would have to mean xorg provides inconsistent info?) | 07:41 |
| fdoving | maybe, i don't know how those internals work. | 07:41 |
| fdoving | but since it happens both for kde and xfce, it's not a kde problem as far as i can understand. | 07:41 |
| larsivi | or it's a problem with both :) | 07:42 |
| fdoving | not likely, as xorg is the common piece. | 07:43 |
| fdoving | i need to run. back in a while. | 07:45 |
| _StefanS_ | hey | 07:46 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: is there something new in the latest svn bluetooth? | 07:46 |
| _StefanS_ | brb. | 07:48 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: back.. | 08:04 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: seems like the accept code for the bt mouse is working now | 08:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: but still a segfault in the paired devices . | 08:22 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: latest svn fixes the issues for input devices | 08:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: I'd say it's the first version where everything works, so now I won't upload anything before testing widelly | 08:54 |
| Tonio_ | paired segfaults for you ? | 08:54 |
| _StefanS__ | Tonio_: good strategy :) | 08:54 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: argh the segfault is back | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: didn't crash with previous version.......... | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: shoudl be possible to check the difference I guess | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: interested in working on this ? | 08:55 |
| _StefanS__ | Tonio_: well, it could be compared easily. can you do that? | 08:55 |
| _StefanS__ | heh, ok | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: well I can but I'm not sure to understand the code on that point..... | 08:55 |
| _StefanS__ | i can do it later then | 08:56 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: well I suggest we both work on this on our own, I'll try to have a look on monday, I'm not available before | 08:56 |
| _StefanS__ | ill just do it. no problem. got my new kid on my arm now, so ill do it later | 08:57 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: sure, there are priorities :) | 08:58 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: I just don't understand how they tet this | 08:58 |
| _StefanS__ | he's staring at me like crazy :) | 08:58 |
| Tonio_ | they fix something and they rebreak something the next upload..... strage | 08:58 |
| _StefanS__ | well its easy.. they dony test. | 08:58 |
| Tonio_ | lol that's possible | 08:59 |
| _StefanS__ | just commiting all the time, and i ythink its a merge in libbluketooth that causes it' | 08:59 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: maybe yes | 09:00 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: well the point is that there is just that bug now, so I suggest to stop the svn sync and focus on that bug and that's it | 09:00 |
| _StefanS__ | Tonio_: ive traced the segfault to it | 09:00 |
| _StefanS__ | yes agreed. | 09:00 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 09:01 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: stay with your child, I'll try first, and then if I'm too limited on that point you can waste your time on it | 09:01 |
| _StefanS__ | just mail me. i will expect to start in an hour or something | 09:02 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS__: well I'm going out toonight, so I won't have found that before, better you start then........ :( sorry | 09:04 |
| _StefanS__ | Tonio_: thats cool, no problem. Have a good time, I will be home taking care of kids and patching stuff :D | 09:05 |
| Tonio_ | hehe :) | 09:05 |
| Tonio_ | well time to go for me, have fun :) | 09:05 |
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| jjesse | wow finally back home | 09:13 |
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| MidMark | hi, just two mistakes in the beta2 backport news: | 12:36 |
| MidMark | 1) Install kdebase-workspace (this has changed since beta 1) -> package not present | 12:36 |
| stdin | yes it is :) | 12:37 |
| MidMark | ops sorry | 12:37 |
| MidMark | my fault | 12:37 |
| stdin | it took a while to get out, but it should be there now | 12:37 |
| MidMark | probably yesterday wasn't present? | 12:38 |
| MidMark | mmm | 12:39 |
| stdin | no it was still getting built then | 12:39 |
| MidMark | trying to install it, adept says there are some brackage | 12:39 |
| MidMark | breakage | 12:39 |
| stdin | make sure you're installing version 3.93.0-0ubuntu2~feisty3 | 12:40 |
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