[04:55] <ian_001> is there a reason when i press "play online steams" it does nothing?
[04:56] <ian_001> im trying to access mythstream, i've added streams to the list but i cant access the actual fnuctionality
[05:01] <Tari> I don't know
[05:01] <Tari> maybe the logs can enlighten you further
[05:02] <ian_001> how do i access the logs?
[05:03] <ian_001> or which ones should i be looking at? whats interesting is "mythfrontend stream" works from the command line
[05:05] <tgm4883_laptop> ian_001, I didn't really play around with it that much, but wondered the same thing
[05:05] <tgm4883_laptop> have you tried known working streams?
[05:06] <ian_001> yeah the plugin works just fine, if i typed "mythfrontend stream" at the command line it works perfectly, but if i load just mythfrontend and click "play online streams' it just sits there and does nothing
[05:06] <ian_001> i think i finally found a bug about it
[05:06] <ian_001> but it seems to be an edgy issue
[05:06] <ian_001> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythstream/+bug/136483
[05:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136483 in mythbuntu "mythstream-0.17.2 fails to load in mythtv-0.20.2" [Medium,Fix committed] 
[05:07] <tgm4883_laptop> ian_001, no thats a different bug
[05:07] <tgm4883_laptop> you couldn't even get into mythstream with that
[05:07] <ian_001> i cant
[05:07] <ian_001> thats my problem
[05:07] <tgm4883_laptop> oh
[05:07] <ian_001> but just like in the bug report, using "myfrontend stream" i can
[05:08] <tgm4883_laptop> so, when you try to go into mythstream nothing happens?
[05:09] <ian_001> yes, if i start mythtv with just "mythfrontend"
[05:10] <tgm4883_laptop> are you starting it from the terminal (mythfrontend that is)
[05:10] <ian_001> i dont nomrally but since i am having this problem, yes
[05:10] <ian_001> if i just boot the machine it has the same problem though
[05:10] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[05:11] <tgm4883_laptop> then start it from the terminal, try to access mythstream, then exit.  See if it gives you an error in the terminal
[05:11] <ian_001> perfect, Unable to initialize plugin 'mythtream'.
[05:12] <ian_001> do you have any idea where i would find that string to fix it?
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> perfect
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> that is the exact problem that the above mentioned bug is
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> now the question remains to why it hasn't been fixed in edgy
[05:13] <tgm4883_laptop> unfortunatly superm1, who fixed it, is not around right now
[05:14] <ian_001> just to clarify a possible miscommunication, i am using the latest MythBuntu from Sept 1
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> even better
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> you need to apt-get update then apt-get upgrade
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> as it has been fixed for mythbuntu
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> I don't know why I thought you were using edgy
[05:15] <ian_001> i mentioned it above thinking this problem had been fixed in edgy but i had misread, my fault
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> I misread your post too
[05:16] <ian_001> i live in complete fear of apt-get update though because it always breaks my remote
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:16] <ian_001> i can wait for the next build
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> what remote?
[05:17] <ian_001> hauppauge
[05:17] <ian_001> 150 tuner card
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> you may just be able to fix it (if it breaks) in the control centre
[05:18] <ian_001> with the previous mythbuntu alpha that didnt work, i wonder where that string is stored though .. since its a plugin you would think it just gets registered in a configuration file somewhere
[05:19] <tgm4883> ??, the control centre was just added to alpha 4
[05:19] <tgm4883> with that being said, there is a lircd.conf file and a .lircrc file
[05:20] <ian_001> i had the remote problem using alpha 3 and came here and the path i was sent on was gui based so i just presumed it was the control center
[05:20] <ian_001> the problem would be the driver wouldnt load correctly
[05:21] <ian_001> at least with alpha 3
[05:21] <tgm4883> laga, if you're around, i'm going to do more testing on the firewire right after I build a new disk with updates
[05:21] <tgm4883> interesting
[05:21] <tgm4883> you may be able to just update the package that was broken, although im not sure which one that is
[05:22] <ian_001> sounds like a good plan, i think i might poke around a little bit, wouldnt hurt for me to learn smoething
[05:23] <ian_001> yeah!
[05:23] <ian_001> i just did  'sudo cp libmythstream.so liblibmythtream.so' and now it works
[05:23] <tgm4883> There is also a list of known bugs for alpha 4 at http://www.mythbuntu.org/
[05:23] <ian_001> i know its a terrible hack
[05:24] <tgm4883> yep
[05:24] <tgm4883> that does work
[05:24] <tgm4883> also a sym link
[05:24] <ian_001> oh a symlink owuld have been a much more linux solution! i should try that
[05:25] <tgm4883> although, I believe that it still wont work as there is also the issue of mythtream
[05:25] <ian_001> it loaded perfectly for me
[06:31] <sslashes> any idea why mythmusic visualizations would not work?
[07:39] <kieran491> Hi i am having problems with my mythtv box it seems that it is storing incorect data about my tvcards i the database is refering to an adapter1 but this is not even present on my machine i only have adapter0 just wondering if any one has had the same problem and if so how did you fix it?
[07:46] <mactenchi> are the final feisty packages available?
[09:27] <firekool> does anyone have any problems keeping interface working well with visulations when listening to music
[10:17] <laga> re
[11:36] <MythbuntuGuest70> Hi folks - got some problems...  I have a wifi card that needs ndiswrapper but it doesn't seem to be installed by default
[11:37] <MythbuntuGuest70> how do i go about doing that?  I've got ndiswrapper 1.47 on a usb key and mounted - but make returns errors taht it can't find the kernel build files
[11:37] <MythbuntuGuest70> to complicate matters - my hardware network adapter doesn't seem to work so I need to transfer everything by hand to the computer and then install
[11:37] <MythbuntuGuest70> how do I do this?
[11:38] <MythbuntuGuest70> The plan so far is:
[11:38] <MythbuntuGuest70> 1.  Install ndiswrapper (suprised this isn't installed by default)
[11:38] <MythbuntuGuest70> 2.  Get the wifi card up and running
[11:39] <MythbuntuGuest70> 3.  Install nvidia drivers so I can get tv-out
[11:43] <laga> hi MythbuntuGuest70
[11:43] <laga> MythbuntuGuest70: what distro are you using?
[11:52] <MythbuntuGuest26> system cut me off again - I'm a newbie at this...  am still looking for ideas on how to get ndiswrapper installed and made on mythbuntu so that I can get a wifi card up and running (netgear WG311v3)
[11:52] <laga> 11:32 < laga> MythbuntuGuest70: what distro are you using?
[11:53] <laga> MythbuntuGuest70: ^^
[11:53] <MythbuntuGuest26> mythbuntu - which comes with just a simple x implementation and not a full desktop
[11:55] <MythbuntuGuest26> make on ndiswrapper fails telling me that it can't find the path to kernel build directory
[12:06] <laga> right
[12:06] <laga> let me start my mythbuntu machine
[12:09] <laga> MythbuntuGuest26: ndiswraper is already installed.
[12:09] <laga> MythbuntuGuest26: maybe you need to install the ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 and ndiswrapper-common package
[12:09] <laga> but the kernel stuff is there.
[12:39] <laga> hey, no problem.
[01:53] <MythbuntuGuest20> hi all
[01:54] <MythbuntuGuest20> I'v a problem whit the repository
[01:55] <MythbuntuGuest20> with apt-get update the computer print this error
[01:55] <MythbuntuGuest20> Impossibile ottenere http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists/gutsy/mythbuntu/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[01:55] <MythbuntuGuest20> (impossible to get)
[01:56] <MythbuntuGuest20> someone know the new repository or... the way to resolve this error?
[02:08] <spoky99> hi all
[02:09] <spoky99> superm1 is not there?
[02:09] <spoky99> someone can help me?
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #138247 in lirc (main) "Lirc doesn't support Home-brew serial-port driver Igor Cesko's variation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138247
[03:24] <Koffa> is there a simple howto for installing mythbuntu w/ raid1?
[03:25] <laga> that's not possible yet in the installer. you probably have to create the raid1 yourself
[03:26] <Koffa> I've created it and tried to skip the installers partitioner - "no rootfs defined"....
[03:26] <laga> odd
[03:26] <laga> when does that happen?
[03:31] <MythbuntuGuest68> Can anyone tell me if MU has the DVB Firmware for NOVA-T Dib0700?
[03:31] <Koffa> after I leave the installers partitioner... the problem is that the installer asks all the questions and then does the formatting+installing without possibility for user intervention as in normal debian/ubuntu installer
[03:31] <laga> what's the file name?
[03:32] <laga> Koffa: can't you just tell the installer to use the file system on the raid 1 and be done with it?
[03:32] <Koffa> it doesn't see those
[03:32] <laga> oh.
[03:32] <Koffa> it only shows /dev/sd*, not /dev/md*
[03:32] <laga> :/
[03:33] <laga> Koffa: you can install from a gutsy "alternate" cd and install the mythbuntu-related meta packages if you want
[03:34] <mpmc> Just a few more questions: Will MU work with my Speed-link remote control, It's a HID
[03:34] <laga> mpmc: what's the file name for the firmware?
[03:34] <laga> mpmc: does it work in feisty? if yes, it'll likely work in mythbuntu
[03:35] <mpmc> Sec.. See If I can remember it.. DVB_Dib0700.01.fw or something like that
[03:35] <mpmc> Well.. It's a Windows Media center type remote.
[03:36] <spoky99> someone know the repository for mithbuntu gutsy?
[03:36] <spoky99> today after one apt-get update..
[03:36] <laga> spoky99: normal ubuntu repository mostly
[03:36] <spoky99> http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists/gutsy/mythbuntu/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[03:36] <Koffa> laga :/
[03:37] <laga> spoky99: file a bug report please. shouldn't be too critical since there are no new packages as far as i know
[03:38] <laga> mpmc: there are two dvb-dibusb* files in the firmware directory
[03:38] <spoky99> sorry
[03:38] <spoky99> My english is not good
[03:38] <laga> you can still file a bug report i'm sure
[03:38] <spoky99> yess
[03:38] <MythbuntuGuest35> Just d/c
[03:38] <spoky99> :(
[03:39] <laga> spoky99: what's the problem?
[03:39] <spoky99> I thunk that was more easy.. only to change something into the sources list
[03:39] <spoky99> I'm ging to confgure the remote
[03:39] <spoky99> going
[03:39] <mpmc> Does MU Have the Nvidia-glx?
[03:40] <spoky99> using module-assistant
[03:40] <laga> mpmc: think of mythbuntu as ubuntu + some extra mythtv love.
[03:40] <laga> yes, it has nvidia-glx.
[03:40] <laga> spoky99: what remote?
[03:40] <mpmc> Great, Hopefully i shouldn't have too much trouble with my PCI GFX card lol
[03:40] <spoky99> I'have 2 remote.. the first is... not standard.. the second is a  M$
[03:41] <spoky99> via usb
[03:41] <laga> mpmc: just try it. if it doesn't work, you get to complain in the bug tracker. ;)
[03:41] <laga> spoky99: you don't need to install lirc using modules-assistant.
[03:41] <spoky99> ah
[03:41] <laga> spoky99: mythbuntu/ubuntu gutsy already comes with the lirc modules.
[03:41] <Koffa> laga: so just copy sources.list from this live-cd and get mythbuntu-desktop ?
[03:42] <laga> spoky99: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc should do
[03:42] <spoky99> I often choose the best difficult way todo something :(
[03:42] <laga> spoky99: you wouldn't have succeeded. as far as i know, the lirc-modules-source package was removed
[03:42] <mpmc> Well.. I know I have to configure X after the install.. only issue is Ubuntu attempts to load the xserver, can't & just returns back to the bootscreen. <_<
[03:43] <laga> Koffa: install everything with mythbuntu in the package name
[03:43] <laga> mpmc: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[03:43] <spoky99> I know thta lirc is just into mythbuntu.. but I don't know how make work the remote
[03:43] <mpmc> Laga I can fix it.. But I have to go into recovery @ boot.
[03:44] <mpmc> Which is annoying.
[03:44] <mpmc> I'm talking about Ubuntu.. Hopefully MU will be better.
[03:44] <spoky99> laga: I follow one howto..
[03:44] <laga> spoky99: what howto?
[03:44] <laga> listen, guys.
[03:45] <laga> ifn you have a problem and need help, please have the decency of actually describing your problem properly and telling us what you have already done.
[03:45] <laga> i can't read minds. yet.
[03:45] <spoky99> laga:this http://farrebyc.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/mythtv-su-ubuntu-parte-4/ that is one traslation of this  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_lirc_install
[03:45] <mpmc> Sorry.. My fault I talk random garbage.
[03:46] <laga> mpmc: heh. trying to do too many things at once here so i got annoyed.
[03:46] <laga> spoky99: that howto is outdated.
[03:46] <mpmc> Not your fault, laga:
[03:47] <laga> spoky99: you are basically using ubuntu *GUTSY* now, aka ubuntu 7.10.
[03:47] <laga> mpmc: no worries. i should be friendlier. anyways -what's your problem with X on ubuntu?
[03:51] <laga> brb
[03:52] <MythbuntuGuest17> hello
[03:55] <MythbuntuGuest17> anyone here who can help out with a tv out problem?
[03:58] <spoky99> laga: were I could found one lirc howto for the  microsoft usb remote in gutsy?
[04:05] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest17, what problem
[04:07] <spoky99> laga: are you there?
[04:10] <tgm4883> Daviey, you around?
[04:25] <laga> yes
[04:26] <laga> spoky99: maybe on http://help.ubuntu.com
[04:26] <laga> spoky99: but just run sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc
[04:26] <laga> like i told you one hour ago
[04:27] <spoky99> laga:  thaks!
[04:27] <spoky99> laga: I'm a newbie ad.. I read a lot before make disaster in my computers :D
[04:27] <MythbuntuGuest17> i have an onboard radeon x1250 card and would like to know how to get the tv out to work,..
[04:28] <MythbuntuGuest17> the tv is connected, but i would like to know where i can "activate" the tvout
[04:28] <spoky99> laga: I also have a lcd that don't work
[04:28] <laga> MythbuntuGuest17: AMDCCLE?
[04:28] <spoky99> laga: but... before I wont configure the remote :)
[04:29] <MythbuntuGuest17> amdccle?
[04:29] <laga> MythbuntuGuest17: amd catalyst control centre. it's accessible from the mythbuntu control centre
[04:31] <mpmc> Hi everyone, I have a small issue. I've attempted to run the install (In Safe GFX mode), But I get a message telling me X server can't start & to view the output, which I did, But I cannot see the CLI to use VIM to fix it.. <_<
[04:31] <laga> mpmc: hit ALT+F2?
[04:31] <tgm4883> dang
[04:31] <mpmc> k hold on
[04:31] <tgm4883> laga has already answered all the questions when im like halfway through reading them
[04:32] <tgm4883> dang slow reading morning eyes
[04:32] <mpmc> Laga: Thanks that did the trick!
[04:32] <MythbuntuGuest17> i'll give it a try
[04:33] <laga> tgm4883: heh
[04:36] <spoky99> laga: I understand that mythbuntu don't work whit gnome.. what use?
[04:37] <tgm4883> spoky99, openbox i believe
[04:37] <laga> spoky99: mythbuntu does work with gnome. it just does not come with gnome by default.
[04:37] <mpmc> Hmm.. I've started X & its running.. But all I see is a Gray-ish colour screen & a right click menu.. but I don't see an install option.
[04:37] <tgm4883> dang, even when I beat him he comes out with a better answer
[04:37] <tgm4883> i'm going to go take a nap
[04:37] <laga> tgm4883: didn't you just get up?
[04:37] <tgm4883> yep
[04:37] <laga> slacker
[04:38] <laga> i'm fighting the nvidia driver. won't play nice wih my new DFP and the home-brewn tv-out :/
[04:38] <spoky99> laga: I'm in a sistem administarator session and.. I don't have the gnome bar..
[04:38] <laga> spoky99: yes. because gnome is not installed. where's the problem?
[04:38] <spoky99> ok
[04:39] <laga> spoky99: the next mythbuntu release might include xfce4. it's closer to the gnome 'user experience'
[04:39] <tgm4883> mpmc, you're in a regular openbox session
[04:39] <mpmc> OK.. I'm lost then :P
[04:39] <tgm4883> you may be able to install from there
[04:39] <tgm4883> give me a sec to let laga answer you :)
[04:39] <laga> heh
[04:40] <mpmc> :P
[04:40] <laga> mpmc: what have you done now? booted the install disk and fixed X?
[04:40] <tgm4883> nah, unless he knows off the top of his head, i need to boot my vm
[04:40] <mpmc> Laga yes: I'm running.. But I seen nothing, But a right click menu & I can't access the net ether..
[04:41] <spoky99> I try to open System->Administration->Software Sources but.. I don't understand what I could do whitouth gnome bar, I don't know the code for to start it from terminal
[04:41] <laga> spoky99: what are you trying to do?
[04:42] <laga> mpmc: ok.
[04:42] <laga> mpmc: how did you start X?
[04:42] <spoky99> repare the apt-get update for make one upgrade
[04:42] <mpmc> laga: startx command
[04:42] <laga> spoky99: right click on the desktop
[04:42] <spoky99> yess.... I tryed it
[04:42] <spoky99> I open one terminal
[04:43] <spoky99> I open firefox
[04:43] <laga> mpmc: that's probably not the best choice. try killing X with ctrl+alt+backspace and run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:43] <laga> mpmc: or kdm instead of gdm, but gdm ought to work
[04:43] <mpmc> k
[04:43] <laga> spoky99: so, where is your problem?
[04:43] <spoky99> but Obconf and Reconfigure don't work
[04:44] <mpmc> laga: Gnome display manager: Fail.
[04:44] <mpmc> I'll try kdm
[04:44] <laga> spoky99: "obconf" and "reconfigure" probably work, but they're part of openbox. nothing you should be messing with.
[04:45] <laga> spoky99: what prevents you from just typing in "sudo apt-get update" into the terminal?
[04:45] <mpmc> laga: KDM isn't installed / available, Command not found etc..
[04:46] <spoky99> laga:  apt-get update print this error
[04:46] <laga> mpmc: hum.
[04:47] <laga> mpmc: well, no worries then.
[04:47] <laga> mpmc: run "startx" again
[04:47] <laga> mpmc: and execute.. um.... let me find that command
[04:47] <mpmc> can't I run the installer from there?
[04:47] <laga> mpmc: yes, should be possible
[04:47] <laga> i just need to find out what command to run
[04:48] <mpmc> I'm still pretty new to linux.. But I'm learning loads :)
[04:49] <laga> spoky99: i'll try to verify your problem
[04:49] <tgm4883> spoky99, what error?
[04:50] <spoky99> laga: >	http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists/gutsy/mythbuntu/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[04:52] <mpmc> Connection test.
[04:52] <tgm4883> spoky99, what alpha are you using?
[04:52] <spoky99> laga: (I'm waiting he restart of the computer)
[04:52] <laga> mpmc: open a terminal and run "sudo -S /usr/bin/ubiquity mythbuntu_ui"
[04:52] <laga> mpmc: that should work
[04:52] <spoky99> I think the first
[04:53] <tgm4883> spoky, you have a way old sources.list
[04:53] <spoky99> I just upgrade the entre sistem
[04:53] <tgm4883> well you need to get the new sources.list, as the error is because that does not exist anymore
[04:53] <mpmc> laga: OK I gotta type all that out >.<
[04:54] <laga> mpmc: it's good exercise for your fingers!
[04:54] <spoky99> laga: Impossibile ottenere http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists/gutsy/mythbuntu/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[04:54] <spoky99> Impossibile ottenere http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists/gutsy/mythbuntu/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found
[04:54] <spoky99> (impossible to get)
[04:54] <tgm4883> spoky99, it would be impossible to get something that doesn't exist anymore
[04:55] <spoky99> I could fix it?
[04:55] <tgm4883> yes
[04:55] <laga> spoky99: i'll upload a current sources.list for you
[04:55] <spoky99> I tryed with apt-get -f
[04:55] <tgm4883> arg
[04:55] <spoky99> laga: where I could get it?
[04:57] <laga> spoky99: www.pastebin.ca/687154
[04:57] <mpmc> Laga: Umm.. It didn't run with the mythubuntu_ui param, But has without..
[04:57] <laga> mpmc: odd.
[04:57] <mpmc> oh wait
[04:57] <mpmc> I know
[04:57] <tgm4883> cd burnt, moving to laptop
[04:58] <mpmc> mythUbuntu <_<
[05:00] <spoky99> laga: It work!!!!! thanks!!!
[05:00] <laga> spoky99: cool :)
[05:00] <laga> i didn't know you were running such an old release of mythbuntu
[05:03] <mpmc> laga: I'm in in the install process selecting which remote module etc.. But which? the remote is this one, With a USB receiver.. http://images.speed-link.de/prodpics/SL-6399/large/sl-6399_1.jpg
[05:04] <laga> mpmc: isn't there a MCE remote listed?
[05:04] <tgm4883> is that a MCEUSB 1 remote?
[05:04] <mpmc> It has a USB receiver yes
[05:05] <tgm4883> is that a windows media centre remote
[05:05] <tgm4883> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[05:05] <mpmc> Yes, But not M$ branded.
[05:06] <laga> brb, restarting X
[05:06] <tgm4883> i just spelled it centre without talking about the control centre.  What has Daviey done!!!
[05:06] <laga> tgm4883: 'sup?
[05:06] <laga> heh
[05:06] <tgm4883> mpmc, who makes it?
[05:06] <mpmc> Speed-link
[05:06] <mpmc> http://www.speed-link.de/prod.php?lang=de&sys_id=1&pb_id=12&prod_num=SL-6399
[05:07] <swhalen> hello...xv om playing mythtv shows a blue screen
[05:09] <mpmc> So would that remote be classed as a MCE remote USB?
[05:09] <tgm4883> mpmc, sec
[05:09] <mpmc> k
[05:09] <tgm4883> swhalen, what vid card?
[05:10] <swhalen>  ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] 
[05:11] <tgm4883> mpmc, I would think that it was one of the MCEUSB remotes as it's billed as a MCE remote.  How old is it?
[05:11] <tgm4883> swhalen, do you have the restricted drivers enabled or the open source drivers?
[05:11] <mpmc> I only got it yesterday..
[05:11] <tgm4883> ok
[05:12] <mpmc> I'll try it as a MCE old version remote?
[05:12] <tgm4883> mpmc, try using the MCEUSB2 remote.  It should be under Windows Media Center MCEUSB2 or something like that
[05:12] <tgm4883> no, use the new one
[05:12] <mpmc> k..
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> back
[05:14] <swhalen> tgm4883, there are no restricted for my card. ATI only lies xorg 7.1 for my card. So I use "ati" drivers
[05:16] <mpmc> Hmm.. Install has frozen.. after I selected install prop' video driver O.O
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> arg
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> mpmc, yep
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> thats a known bug
[05:16] <mpmc> restart install?
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> the current fix is to install the prop driver later
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[05:16] <mpmc> lol
[05:16] <mpmc> k
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> check the list of known alpha 4 bugs at http://www.mythbuntu.org
[05:17] <mpmc> WTF WOW
[05:17] <tgm4883_laptop> what?
[05:17] <swhalen> It there a winpvr card that works with NSCTCC VBI
[05:18] <tgm4883_laptop> swhalen, whats NSCTCC VBI
[05:18] <mpmc> I ctrl+c'd to kill the installer it asked if I wanted to quit.. But it has loaded the additional driver step page :s
[05:18] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:18] <mpmc> huh?
[05:18] <mpmc> lol
[05:19] <mpmc> Thats madness.
[05:19] <swhalen> tgm4883_laptop, Closed caption
[05:19] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:20] <tgm4883_laptop> so what is NSCT then?
[05:20] <tgm4883_laptop> or is it NTSC?
[05:20] <swhalen> NTSC CC, NTSC CC typo
[05:20] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[05:21] <swhalen> how did that get typed twice lol
[05:22] <tgm4883_laptop> i am not sure swhalen, I don't do much with closed captions
[05:22] <swhalen> tgm4883_laptop, the vbi works...ut the video flickers
[05:23] <tgm4883_laptop> arg
[05:23] <tgm4883_laptop> laga
[05:23] <laga> ?
[05:23] <tgm4883_laptop> my installer crashed
[05:23] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[05:23] <laga> did you enable vnc?
[05:24] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[05:24] <laga> pastebin the backtrace and create a b ug report
[05:24] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[05:24] <mpmc> Woo Installing!
[05:24] <laga> for some reason, superm1 talked me into taking care of a ubiquity bug. but i don't know python. ;)
[05:24] <tgm4883_laptop> it's not like it was an official build or anything, so maybe just some incompatibility with my build
[05:25] <tgm4883_laptop> im going to try it one more time to be sure
[05:25] <laga> probably
[05:25] <laga> still, create a bug report
[05:25] <laga> might be valuable
[05:25] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[05:26] <mpmc> I like the theme of MU.
[05:26] <mpmc> No crappy blue..
[05:27] <laga> too grey here ;)
[05:27] <tgm4883_laptop> mpmc, are you seeing the new theme or the old one?  The old one was a dark grey
[05:27] <tgm4883_laptop> ^^ in ubiquity
[05:27] <mpmc> dark grey
[05:27] <spoky99> laga: I make dpkg-reconfigure and it goes well... tiping irw and hitting on the remote.. recognize the tiping on the remote, Is not necessary copy the .lircrc file o.. I could make it?
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> IMO, the new one is much better
[05:28] <laga> spoky99: install mythbuntu-lirc-generator and run it
[05:29] <mpmc> Oh noes.. I'm scared of config files.. They look at me weird.. :(
[05:30] <laga> that's why we make mythbuntu
[05:30] <mpmc> Darn brb.
[05:31] <kieran491> hi
[05:32] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, I keep trying to use the mouse connected to my mythbuntu box on my laptop
[05:32] <tgm4883_laptop> hi kieran491
[05:32] <laga> hi kieran491
[05:32] <kieran491> My mythtv is referaing to one of my TVTuner cards as as adapter1 but it is adapter0 how do you fix this i have tryed just deleteing it but that did not seem to work any ideas on how i can make it work?
[05:33] <laga> kieran491: please be more specific. what distro? what capture card? how exactly does this cause problems?
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> and where does adapter0 or adapter 1 come into play
[05:34] <kieran491> i am using mandriva this problem started when i rebooted my machine but it was working before i rebooted
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> and your using a ubuntu backend?
[05:34] <kieran491> nop
[05:34] <laga> kieran491: in case you haven't noticed: the channel name "#ubuntu-mythtv" contains the string "ubuntu"
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> a ubuntu frontend?
[05:34] <kieran491> yes....
[05:34] <laga> ah.
[05:35] <laga> nirvana at last
[05:35] <laga> kieran491: try #mythtv-users
[05:35] <tgm4883_laptop> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yep
[05:35] <kieran491> that dose not exist many people have refered me to that room
[05:35] <kieran491> huh
[05:35] <laga> #mythtv-users does exist
[05:35] <kieran491> it dose now
[05:35] <tgm4883_laptop> kieran491, i would be money that it does
[05:35] <kieran491> i have tryed that room in the past and never got it
[05:35] <tgm4883_laptop> and has for a long time now
[06:04] <spoky99> someone know how to stop the computer directly from the last menu of mythtv?
[06:04] <spoky99> now it restart
[06:28] <Koffa> which driver should I use for cinergy t2 remote?
[06:32] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, indeed :)
[06:32] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, perhaps we should improve upon that process
[06:33] <superm1> although automating it is quite the challenge
[06:33] <superm1> Koffa, who makes that remote even, never heard of it
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, booya!!! firewire in mythbuntu alpha4.2
[06:34] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, sweet so we aren't affected by the problems j-rod was having then
[06:34] <superm1> awesome
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> i have no sound
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> but that could be any number of reasons
[06:34] <superm1> yea
[06:34] <superm1> as long as you can capture
[06:34] <superm1> that's what matters
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> oh yea
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> cartoons
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> its a real pain though
[06:35] <superm1> can you think of what can be done in terms of automating the procedure?
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> I think it's going to have to be a user input script
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> where we run commands and ask the user to select 1 or 2
[06:35] <superm1> you mean for like determining ports and such
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[06:35] <superm1> which one its plugged into
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> and for downloading and updating the scripts
[06:36] <superm1> well honestly, i dont see why myth can't figure that out
[06:36] <superm1> you would think it could query the bus
[06:36] <superm1> and find it
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> true
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> I still have the problem with my stb jumping nodes though
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[06:36] <superm1> perhaps the 'proper' solution is to write a myth patch for that exact purpose
[06:36] <superm1> i heard that is resolved in 0.21
[06:36] <superm1> dunno where i herad it
[06:36] <superm1> or even heard it
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> I hope so
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> although i doubt it
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> as it seems to be in the stack
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> not mythtv related
[06:37] <superm1> well but i heard that myth can get along around that
[06:37] <superm1> in 0.21
[06:37] <superm1> so perhaps it does query the bus
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> although there is a firewire_reset in .21
[06:37] <superm1> and determine where the box is
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> HD runs like crap right now
[06:39] <superm1> can you respond to laga's post so people on the ML know?
[06:39] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[06:39] <superm1> i added your "Quit" button to the control centre
[06:39] <superm1> i'm just testing a few more patches towards it
[06:39] <superm1> and then i
[06:39] <superm1> 'll push it up
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, I was wondering, would it be bad to add the firewire parts to the main backend script?
[06:43] <Koffa> superm1: terratec?
[06:43] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, how so?
[06:43] <superm1> like priming stuff?
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> I suppose it would be
[06:44] <superm1> Koffa, hm.  i guess i still haven't heard of that brand.  I've no idea what driver it should be using.  I'd have to say /query lirc-list mailing list
[06:44] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, what about people not doing firewire then?
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> thats what i was thinking, if it would be bad for them
[06:44] <superm1> maybe it'd make sense to add a configuration item in like /etc/default/mythtv-backend
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> and I think it would
[06:44] <superm1> FIREWIRE=True
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[06:44] <superm1> and then that turns on all the firewire toys
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> that would fix a lot of the setup
[06:45] <superm1> what items need to be put in there exactly?
[06:45] <superm1> do you know?
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> i just followed the feisty firewire guide
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> and really
[06:45] <superm1> well if you want to write a patch for it, i'd be glad to sponsor something sane
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> i think you can d/l the firewire backend script
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> so
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> let me think of a few different plans for this
[06:47] <tgm4883_laptop> I think the problem is that there are a few things that need compiled
[06:47] <superm1> well compiling more stuff isn't too big a deal
[06:47] <superm1> can always ship more of the contrib directory
[06:47] <superm1> with mythtv-backend perhaps
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, but we would also need build essential on the cd
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> how much free space is there?
[06:48] <superm1> well there is plenty of free space, but i'm saying if its precompiled
[06:48] <superm1> in the package
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:48] <superm1> so in the mythtv package
[06:48] <superm1> its shipped
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> sounds good
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> cause there are 2 things to compile
[06:49] <tgm4883_laptop> wtf
[06:49] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm watching a strange Dell commercial with no sound in HD with no proprietary drivers installed
[06:53] <superm1> http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/1116043_addons.png.html
[06:53] <superm1> anything more to add to that page?
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> nope looks good
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> is there going to be a different terminal in the future?
[06:55] <superm1> yes
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> good
[06:55] <superm1> as soon as DaveMorris completes the switch to xubuntu window manager
[06:55] <superm1> xfce4-terminal will be there
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> i despise the current terminal
[06:55] <superm1> currently that button looks for xfce4-terminal primarily, then gnome-terminal, then konsole, and then lastly xterm
[06:56] <superm1> problem though is it spawns a root terminal
[06:56] <superm1> which probably isn't a good idea
[06:56] <tgm4883_laptop> probably not
[06:57] <tgm4883_laptop> wait
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> did you want to add buttons for the things we need for firewire?
[07:09] <superm1> well we could do that
[07:11] <Koffa> *snap*
[07:13] <superm1> mornin DaveMorris
[07:13] <DaveMorris> superm1: I'm having a senior moment, how do you checkout the branch again?
[07:14] <superm1> bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-default-settings
[07:14] <superm1> if you want to get mythbuntu-default-settings
[07:14] <superm1> now if you want to be able to commit to it
[07:14] <superm1> you can do it like this
[07:14] <superm1> bzr co sftp://USER@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-default-settings
[07:14] <DaveMorris> yeah I wanted to checkout so I can commit as wel
[07:14] <superm1> where USER is your LP username
[07:15] <DaveMorris> bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "sftp://dave-greenacre@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-default-settings": Unable to import paramiko (required for sftp support): No module named paramiko
[07:15] <superm1> you need to install paramiko
[07:16] <DaveMorris> I don't remember doing it before
[07:16] <superm1> sudo apt-get install python-paramiko
[07:16] <DaveMorris> I'm already ahead of you
[07:16] <superm1> its what is used to do a sftp or bzr+ssh commit
[07:17] <DaveMorris> thanks :)
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135199 in mythplugins (multiverse) "dependency conflict (mythmusic and mythtv) 0.20.2" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135199
[09:19] <DaveMorris> http://pastebin.com/m7100a932 - anyone got any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?  It works on my amd64 machine
[10:13] <DaveMorris> superm1:  http://pastebin.com/m7100a932 - anyone got any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?  It works on my amd64 machine
[10:14] <superm1> DaveMorris, what did you change?
[10:14] <superm1> anything?
[10:14] <DaveMorris> nothing
[10:14] <DaveMorris> apart from the mirror and the place to save it to
[10:15] <superm1> what is your BASE_INSTALL
[10:15] <superm1> set to?
[10:16] <DaveMorris>   BASE_INSTALL='/tmp/mythbuntu_iso'
[10:16] <superm1> it looks like well it didn't debootstrap
[10:16] <superm1> do you not have debootstrap installed?
[10:17] <DaveMorris> it's installed, or do I need a gutsy veersion
[10:17] <superm1> yes you need the gutsy version
[10:17] <superm1> # Requirements:
[10:17] <superm1> # * Root permissions
[10:17] <superm1> # * debootstrap taken from ubuntu/main of the target Ubuntu release
[10:17] <superm1> :)
[10:18] <DaveMorris> how do I install that on a feisty system?
[10:18] <superm1> go to packages.ubuntu.com
[10:18] <superm1> and grab the gutsy version
[10:18] <superm1> and just dpkg -i it
[10:18] <DaveMorris> ok
[10:18] <superm1> its just a script, so it doesnt need to be rebuilt for feisty
[10:24] <DaveMorris> thats fixed the problem thanks
[10:26] <DaveMorris> enjoying your day then superm1?
[10:27] <superm1> DaveMorris, yeah
[10:27] <superm1> nice relaxing day for a change of pace
[10:27] <superm1> do you need to know how to do a PPA build of mythbuntu-default-settings now?
[10:27] <DaveMorris> sounds good,
[10:27] <superm1> er well did you join the lp beta team yet?
[10:28] <DaveMorris> I might  as well learn, not sure if I'#ve been added yet
[10:29] <DaveMorris> not a member yet
[10:29] <superm1> ah okay
[10:29] <superm1> well for now you can just copy the files in via the build script
[10:29] <superm1> you can see how it copies a few of them in
[10:29] <superm1> or you can just do it post env
[10:30] <DaveMorris> ok I'll have a look in the script to see how it's donee
[10:31] <superm1> but as for when PPA does get added to your account, what you need to do is bump the version number of the package
[10:31] <superm1> so you can do that like this:
[10:31] <superm1> dch -v 0.55-0ubuntu1~mythbuntu1
[10:31] <superm1> and that will give it a sane version number for the PPA
[10:32] <superm1> its always very very important that your version number includes a ~mythbuntuX or ~ppaX
[10:32] <DaveMorris> Do I need to add my ppa url tot the script as weell
[10:32] <superm1> so that the one in the archive will always take prirority
[10:32] <superm1> well you can push to the team ppa
[10:32] <superm1> once you are setup
[10:32] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[10:33] <superm1> to push to the ppa, you need to edit /etc/dput.cf
[10:33] <superm1> add this section
[10:33] <superm1> [ppa-mythbuntu] 
[10:33] <superm1> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[10:33] <superm1> incoming = ~mythbuntu/ubuntu
[10:33] <superm1> login = anonymous
[10:33] <superm1> and then when you build your source package, build it like this
[10:33] <superm1> debuild -S -sa
[10:33] <superm1> and then to push to the PPA
[10:33] <superm1> you will do
[10:33] <superm1> dput ppa-mythbuntu FILE.changes
[10:34] <superm1> well that should be the jist of it
[10:36] <Daviey> Hey, do you think mythbuntu could be considered of use to academic users?
[10:36] <superm1> how so?
[10:36] <Daviey> http://www.mirrorservice.org/
[10:37] <DaveMorris> worth a try
[10:37] <Daviey> They seem to mirror nearly everything on sourceforge mind
[10:37] <DaveMorris> as they can use it to record shows for use in classes in schools/colleges/uni's
[10:37] <superm1> well wouldn't hurt to try
[10:37] <superm1> ya
[10:38] <Daviey> Which category tho?
[10:38] <Daviey> http://www.mirrorservice.org/Help/FeedBack/Mirror
[10:39] <DaveMorris> teching and computing resourcees
[10:40] <Daviey> Helps users learn the internal's of linux aswell :P
[10:40] <Daviey> Mind you, if we get it into sourceforge - then it seems to automatically get mirrored by loads of mirrors.
[10:41] <Daviey> Should i do that?
[10:41] <superm1> Computing Applications/Utilities
[10:41] <superm1> sourceforge doesn't host ISOs though do they?
[10:41] <Daviey> yep
[10:41] <Daviey> Asterisk@Home used to be on sourceforge
[10:41] <Daviey> That was an iso
[10:42] <DaveMorris> tbh staying away from sourceforge would be better
[10:42] <superm1> well why didn't we think of this before then?
[10:42] <superm1> why?
[10:42] <DaveMorris> more cocntrol if we do it
[10:42] <Daviey> sourceforge _can_ have a bad reputation.. but we wouldn't link users to it - just the mirrors it rsync's with
[10:42] <DaveMorris> btw if you worried about bandwidth just limit direct downloads to 50KBp/s and people will torrent it instead
[10:42] <Daviey> bad reputation for poor quality software..
[10:43] <Daviey> DaveMorris: or not bother downloading
[10:43] <Daviey> Strangly, so many people don't know how to torrent
[10:43] <DaveMorris> or 100 then
[10:43] <DaveMorris> you can still download, it just takes longer
[10:43] <Daviey> Yeah, but surely we want to make it easier to downlaod - more accessible
[10:44] <DaveMorris> tbh I tend not to torrent as it's  quicker to download directly
[10:44] <superm1> well once elmo gets us an ubuntu.com mirror place
[10:44] <superm1> i think we will not have any more worries
[10:44] <Daviey> _can_ be, but a well seeded torrent will always win
[10:44] <Daviey> Okay.. i'll try and chase elmo again
[10:44] <DaveMorris> it still takes time to get starting imo
[10:46] <Daviey> I told elmo that we were peaking combined of the mirrors 80Gb/Day, steadily sropping off after the new release
[10:46] <Daviey> He didn't seem shocked by that
[10:55] <Daviey> Wow.. My torrent client can see 422 other seeders.
[10:55] <Daviey> Only the FOSS community seed like that!
[12:05] <cornell> I've asked this in #ubuntu and am not getting an answer...  So I'm going to ask here...
[12:05] <cornell> I've a Dell Optiplex, I've tried to put Feisty on it.  Wouldn't boot, I'm reinstalling, I noticed in the partitioning... It wants to partition SCSI1 (0.0.0) (sda) - 40.0GB ATA ST340016A...   Isn't SCSI, um, not ATA?
[12:06] <DaveMorris> sata devices appear as scsi devices
[12:08] <cornell> Yes... but wouldn't a SATA be called a SATA, not ATA?
[12:08] <DaveMorris> should be
[12:10] <cornell> The documentation doesn't mention "serial" or "parallel", the photo of how to install appears to show plugging into an IDE type connector
[12:11] <DaveMorris> I read somewhere that they are gonna start labelling hard drives on /dev/hdx as /dev/sdx
[12:11] <cornell> I mean, SATA connectors are visually different than PATA.
[12:11] <tgm4883_laptop_> DaveMorris, they already do
[12:12] <tgm4883_laptop_> actually, they are going to be using UUID instead of /dev/sdx
[12:12] <cornell> Ok, but, if it's saying it's SCSI, is it trying to work with a SCSI drive, which isn't, and would that be a problem?
[12:12] <tgm4883_laptop_> well
[12:13] <tgm4883_laptop_> you could unplug any other hard drives
[12:13] <tgm4883_laptop_> then try installing
[12:13] <cornell> There are no other harddrives
[12:13] <tgm4883_laptop_> ah
[12:13] <tgm4883_laptop_> i think your fine
[12:13] <DaveMorris> the install should be fine
[12:14] <cornell> See.... installation goes smoothly, but then... I can't boot.   I get the POST, grub says it's loading... blank screen, harddrive activity, but no cli or x ?
[12:16] <cornell> Well... actually, sometimes... there's like colored "static" lines that show up for a bit along the bottom.
[12:16] <yotux> hello everyone
[12:16] <yotux> Is mythbuntu going to be like LinuxMCE?
[12:18] <superm1> yotux, well what do you mean by "like"?
[12:19] <yotux> LinuxMCE has a complete media package, DVD, TV Music etc
[12:19] <yotux> I can't get threw the list of features and get my PVR-150 to work
[12:19] <superm1> well mythbuntu does come with plugins installed for all the features like that
[12:20] <superm1> they are all optional
[12:20] <yotux> In fiesty It works great,  I built a new system to be media center for my house
[12:20] <superm1> you cant get through the list of features in mythbuntu?
[12:21] <yotux> LinuxMCE has list and layers of stuff
[12:21] <yotux> I am new to Mythtv & the whole live tv idea I am sorry'
[12:21] <superm1> well linuxmce uses mythtv for its tv portion anyhow, so it shouldnt be much new to you
[12:21] <DaveMorris> does LinuxMCE do PVR with multiple frontends off the same backends
[12:22] <yotux> Dave-  I am not sure,  I can not get my PVR-150 to get a feed in LinuxMCE
[12:23] <cornell> TTFN
[12:23] <yotux> superm1 - Would it be ok to download an ISO for Mythbuntu to just play with?
[12:23] <superm1> yea of course :)
[12:24] <superm1> just watch out, there are a few known issues with the installer (they are detailed on the front page of mythbuntu.org)
[12:24] <superm1> as long as your aware of those, things should go fine
[12:24] <yotux> I know that your site was saying it only has one mirror so I don;t want to take bandwith that is valued like gold
[12:25] <superm1> well we've gotten a few more mirrors since then
[12:25] <yotux> cool
[12:25] <superm1> when you click the download link, you'll get redirected to a random US one if your US bound, and a uk one otherwise
[12:26] <yotux> yeah I am State side for this week
[12:26] <yotux> travel allot
[12:27] <yotux> x86 a better choice of the two?
[12:27] <superm1> should be the same basic thing either way
[12:27] <superm1> if your just playing i would say go x86
[12:28] <yotux> hoping this will fill my need for media center
[12:28] <yotux> If I like this OS allot can I mirror it?
[12:29] <superm1> sure, we appreciate any mirrors we can get :)
[12:29] <superm1> where would your mirror be located?
[12:29] <yotux> I am getting 152k
[12:29] <yotux> Data center out of CO
[12:30] <superm1> no mirrors in CO yet, so that would be good.
[12:30] <yotux> average download out of there is around 500kb/sec
[12:31] <yotux> that just for me thought ymmv
[12:31] <superm1> well if we'll be adding you as a mirror, then we'd make you us-co.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org
[12:31] <superm1> so just let us know
[12:31] <DaveMorris> I've had 4000kb/s out of the UK one :)
[12:33] <DaveMorris> thanks to my fast connection at work :)
[12:33] <yotux> ok
[12:33] <yotux> my dl is going a little slow :( all go things take time they tel me
[12:39] <superm1> Daviey, we are pushing out more than 80GB/day
[12:39] <superm1> just today so far its at 96