[04:03] <jason6g> hello all! i have done some research but i am not quite understanding how to do a dual boot setup, can anybody please point me in the right direction?
[04:06] <Pumpernickel> !grub
[04:06] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:07] <jason6g> thank you for the speedy response, i was reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot and am just wondering if its that simple?
[04:08] <SuprUsr> Hrm, I have a question.
[04:08] <SuprUsr> I've installed Network Manager.
[04:08] <SuprUsr> But, It doesn't show up in my system tray or "notification area."
[04:08] <SuprUsr> And, I don't know the command to start it manually.
[04:10] <Pumpernickel> jason6g: The documentation there is a bit outdated, but it is quite simple.
[04:19] <jason6g> ok, so my understanding is, partition out my main hard drive (currently its set to main c and recovery d) then instal ubuntu onto the new partition, then setup the boot choices and simply run it?
[04:23] <cellofellow> hello friends.
[04:24] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: hey, guess what. I got a wireless-to-wired router working.
[04:25] <cellofellow> ok, I have this Linksys WPC11 v4. On the WifiDocs in the help.ubuntu.com it says it only works with ndiswrapper. OK, whatever. But it still should appear in lspcmcia, and it's not.
[04:49] <SuprUsr> Does anyone know why Network Manager would not show up even though it was installed?
[05:53] <fundies> anyone here tell me if theres anything in these iptables rules blocking pings? http://rafb.net/p/u2RIoe68.html
[07:01] <Jester45> hey cellofellow
[07:01] <cellofellow> hey there.
[07:02] <cellofellow> know anything about rarely-used wifi modules?
[07:02] <Jester45> no
[07:02] <Jester45> im a wired kinda guy
[07:02] <Jester45> 1gbps or bust :)
[07:03] <cellofellow> I un-blacklisted the r818x module, and my Linksys WPC11v4 now works, except when I put in my ESSID, Gardner, it cuts off the last letter and doesn't want to connect.
[07:03] <cellofellow> Jester45: I think 802.11n is 1 Gbps.
[07:04] <Jester45> i dont think any wireless is 1gb
[07:05] <Jester45> and now im starting to get hooked on fibre
[07:06] <cellofellow> hehe
[07:11] <cellofellow> Jester45: hey, I got it. I add an extra letter to the essid, and it works like a charm.
[07:11] <cellofellow> u there?
[07:12] <Jester45> nope :)
[07:12] <cellofellow> lol
[07:12] <cellofellow> there, I was wondering if the wireless had died on me.
[07:13] <cellofellow> well, got other things to test out. Gonna see if power management works.
[07:18] <atarinox> so what's a good time to ping in google?
[07:18] <cellofellow> well, Standby seems to work for about one second, and then it turns back on again. Hibernate works fine, accept the wireless needed to be idown ifup after the restore.
[07:19] <Jester45> atarinox, i got a min/avg/max of 24.753/32.482/83.485
[07:20] <Jester45> but it all depends on your net connections
[07:20] <atarinox> Jester45: oh, ok. guess im not too far off
[07:20] <Jester45> what your bandwidth is and how much your using
[07:21] <Jester45> cable is slower than dsl unless your useing alot of the bandwidth, but dialup has the highest and t-1 is about the lowest pings a home user will get
[07:22] <atarinox> yeah seems like my later packets were a lot slower
[07:23] <atarinox> seems like it progressed to a lot of shit later on
[07:23] <atarinox> not sure why it gets worse as it progresses
[07:24] <Jester45> lets see what a box with 100mbit internet connection that isnt being used at all gets
[07:24] <atarinox> Jester45: what does that mean?
[07:24] <Jester45> its allso at a isp so that removes the time from computer -> router -> modem -> isp -> isp proxy -> isp gateway
[07:25] <atarinox> Jester45: but why would my packets slow down as the test progresses?
[07:25] <Kr4t05|Lap> Okay, for some reason, I can't ssh into my desktop from my laptop, despite the fact that the desktop and router are only 5 feet away.
[07:25] <Jester45> it goes from computer -> switch -> gateway
[07:25] <Kr4t05|Lap> I can ping the box and it replies.
[07:25] <Jester45> atarinox, the modem's cache gets slower
[07:25] <Kr4t05|Lap> However, I try to ssh in and the connection times out. :/
[07:25] <atarinox> Jester45: oh ok
[07:25] <Jester45> ping and ssh are diffrent layers
[07:26] <Jester45> what does it do when you try to ssh in
[07:26] <Kr4t05|Lap> Jester45, Sits there with no return for a few minutes, then gives me a Connection Timed Out error.
[07:26] <Jester45> min/avg/max/mdev = 25.190/25.370/25.650/0.215 ms
[07:26] <Jester45> for the isp box
[07:28] <Jester45> wanna see a better one :) the above box ping time to vidd.us
[07:28] <Jester45>  min/avg/max/mdev = 0.613/0.660/0.716/0.034 ms
[07:28] <Jester45> Kr4t05|Lap, is the ssh server running? can you ssh from the machine into its self via localhost
[07:29] <Kr4t05|Lap> Jester45, Yep.
[07:32] <Kr4t05|Lap> I can't even mount NFS shares from the same box.
[07:44] <Kr4t05|Lap> So...
[07:44] <Kr4t05|Lap> Yeah...
[07:56] <Jester45> i think that someone need to start a group of people that use xubuntu for its looks, feel, and speed not because they have slow pcs
[07:57] <Jester45> i hate when people think that xubuntu is only for slow pcs... like it ran gtk1 or something like dsl
[08:03] <zoredach1_> account on
[08:03] <zoredach1_> ack
[08:08] <Kr4t05|Lap> So, does anyone have any idea why a LAN ssh connection would time-out?
[08:17] <DuClare> I use xfce for it's looks, feel and speed. :] 
[11:30] <hyper__ch> !rmbv
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rmbv - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:31] <Nevermind> hey there, same probs as yesturday.... Got a keyboard and trying to alocate keys 176 to Volume+, 174 to Volume- and 160 to mute, unmute... I've downloaded xBindkeys and xModmap but don't know what to do with them... anyone help me in binding these keys
[01:35] <DuClare> Nevermind, try xfce's settings once again.. :o
[01:36] <DuClare> Nevermind, 20'59'00 <     Kilroo> I just go to the Shortcuts tab and click the Add button, personally.
[01:39] <Nevermind> tried it. there is no excecuteable file for audio up or down or mute
[01:39] <DuClare> umm
[01:39] <DuClare> can you enter the command by hand?
[01:39] <DuClare> you remember..
[01:39] <DuClare> aumixer
[01:39] <DuClare> or aumix
[01:39] <Nevermind> yeh , aumix -v -5
[01:40] <DuClare> yes, can you enter that?
[01:40] <uptownben> Hi All. I just installed JEDIT (via the jedit installer not the xubuntu installer) and I want to add it to my menu under development or something. How do I do that?
[01:40] <Nevermind> when i do aumix +v +5 it comes up with all the other setttings too
[01:40] <Nevermind> and yeh they all work
[01:40] <DuClare> btw, to raise the volume, you do `aumix -v +5` ;)
[01:41] <Nevermind> :P
[01:41] <DuClare> -v to tell you're modifying _V_olume, and +5 to add five to it. :)
[01:41] <Nevermind> k
[01:41] <Nevermind> it all works in the terminal
[01:41] <DuClare> anyway, I think you should be able to enter the command by hand in the xfce thingie, can't you?
[01:41] <Nevermind> i'll see
[01:42] <Nevermind> WOOOO it works!!! cheers dude
[01:43] <DuClare> glad you got it... bye o/
[01:46] <uptownben> If I install a gnome app (like gnome-rdp) will it install all the gnome libraries also? Will that slow things down when I run that app?
[02:53] <triptec> wtf, sometimes Xorg hogs all resources without doing anything... I have to restart it and its ok for a while... anyone who has any idea??
[03:00] <TheSheep> triptec: what graphics card?
[03:18] <loak> hello all, how can I use a .patch file in the sources of a module witch I need to compil (the omnibook module) ?
[03:32] <TheSheep> loak: man patch
[03:38] <uptownben> If I leave my xubuntu machine idle for a few minutes, the pcmcia network card goes down and the system locks up.. what could it be?
[04:43] <neozen> good morning all'
[04:44] <Nevermind> afternoon
[04:44] <Nevermind> #
[04:44] <Nevermind> anyone know much about wine emulator
[04:50] <TheSheep> !anynone
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anynone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <TheSheep> !anybody
[04:50] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:15] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: online?
[05:17] <TheSheep> yep
[05:18] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and you?
[05:18] <hyper_ch> is there a way how I can move around my progams in the taskbar? change their order?
[05:18] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: so am I :)
[05:19] <hyper_ch> just doing tons of things at once... you know how that is
[05:20] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I don't use taskbar, so I have no idea
[05:21] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: that can't be... you must know... you know everything about *buntu
[05:21] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: why do you need it?
[05:21] <hyper_ch> because I like to have my apps in a certain order
[05:22] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: what for/
[05:23] <hyper_ch> I just like it that way... email first, browser next, then the rest
[05:32] <Win`a`2> Hi
[05:33] <Win`a`2> Why does the graphical Installer mount the sole partition on the sole harddrive when determing the filesystem befor creating a new one on it?
[05:34] <Win`a`2> had to unmount it manually during installation
[05:34] <Win`a`2> :
[05:35] <vidd> Win`a`2, feisty or gutsy?
[05:35] <Win`a`2> stable
[05:36] <vidd> we dont have "stable"
[05:36] <Win`a`2> feisty
[05:36] <Win`a`2> :)
[05:36] <vidd> and you used the live cd?
[05:36] <Win`a`2> xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[05:37] <Win`a`2> should have used alternate instead I guess
[05:39] <vidd> and im talking "the world will end if i dont recover that data" emergencies!
[05:39] <retour> My Orage calendar has no entries, its not in autostart menu but ALWAYS starts when my system start - How to stop it?
[05:39] <steve___> :)
[05:39] <vidd> =P
[05:39] <Win`a`2> :D
[05:40] <vidd> retour, is it in init.d?
[05:40] <vidd> retour, you COULD uninstall it =] 
[05:42] <retour> Uninstall is at my level of "geekness" BUT I may need it sometimes
[05:42] <retour> vidd: can U give me full path to this magic init.d?
[05:42] <vidd> ??
[05:42] <vidd>  /etc/init.d
[05:42] <retour> thx
[05:42] <retour> BRB
[05:45] <vidd> rc and  rc.local both autostart aps too (and they are listed under the /etc/init.d/ directory) you might want to look at those files to see if it is listed there
[05:45] <retour> vidd: OK there is a s**t load of stuff in this directory - which one may be triggering my Orage calendar?
[05:45] <vidd> Orange
[05:46] <vidd> Orage
[05:48] <retour> OK there is no orage in init.d and no word orage in rc.local - any ideas?
[05:49] <retour> is it possible that my Xfce graphic display is out of synch with setup files or something?
[05:49] <TheSheep> retour: just close it and save the session
[05:49] <vidd> apt-get remove --purge orage && apt-get install orage
[05:49] <TheSheep> vidd: that won't help
[05:50] <vidd> oh...i keep forgetting about that retarted "save session" crap
[05:52] <retour> TheSheep: I'll do it once again to be sure BUT I tried it already I think
[05:52] <retour> BRB
[05:55] <vidd> any luck?
[05:56] <retour> hi! this crap poped back! And I killed it and than checked that save session is active
[05:56] <TheSheep> retour: try deleteing the session data
[05:56] <TheSheep> retour: in ~/.cache/sessions/
[05:56] <retour> everything I find there?
[05:56] <TheSheep> yes
[05:56] <retour> ok
[05:59] <retour> ~/. means root directory or my home?
[06:01] <jarnos> retour, your home
[06:06] <retour> ok deleted everything from sessions cache but Orage popped up again! Any other ideas?
[06:09] <retour> OK time to uninstall it
[06:11] <retour> OK unistall is impossible as it wants to also uninstall Xfce desktop!!!! Who made such a crazy dependencies!??
[06:12] <vidd> retour, xubuntu-desktop is a meta package...you can uninstall it without harm
[06:12] <retour> Oh nice - Thank you!
[06:22] <triptec> anyone who have had problems with rtorrent and moving finiched files
[06:22] <triptec> ??
[06:29] <hyper_ch> triptec: no
[06:30] <vidd> retour, you good now?
[06:30] <hyper_ch> hiho vidd
[06:43] <nalleman> hi, I would like to know what the file manager in xubuntu/xfce is?
[06:44] <CoRnJuLiOx> err... how does one rename multiple files at once?
[06:45] <CoRnJuLiOx> i've got the dialog open, but i dont know how to change the names themselves
[06:45] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: how do you want them to be name?
[06:45] <TheSheep> d
[06:46] <hyper_ch> nalleman: thunar
[06:46] <nalleman> thanx
[06:46] <hyper_ch> nalleman: that's the default one
[06:47] <CoRnJuLiOx> TheSheep: ah i think i've got it figured out. well, i want em all to be numbered, from 7 - 26, and they've all got to have [WF]  at the front of their names
[06:47] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: select 'numbering' from the first widget
[06:48] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: are you related to the nick "sheepinpanic"?
[06:48] <CoRnJuLiOx> TheSheep: got it.
[06:48] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no
[06:48] <hyper_ch> :)
[06:49] <CoRnJuLiOx> TheSheep: err, i see i can use regexes to rename files. IIRC there are different flavors of regex, which one does thunar use?
[06:50] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: not sure, I think python's
[06:51] <CoRnJuLiOx> damn straight :-)
[07:00] <CoRnJuLiOx> ergh the regex doesn't seem to be working. could someone lend a hand?
[07:01] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: we would have to see it
[07:01] <CoRnJuLiOx> i've got a file like this: [WF] _School_Rumble_-_25_[70A3E450] .avi, and i'm trying to strip the _s and the [70A3E450]  at the end.
[07:02] <CoRnJuLiOx> i've tried [A-Z0-9] $ to get the stuff at the end of the string
[07:02] <TheSheep> \[\w+\] 
[07:02] <TheSheep> \[\w+\] $
[07:03] <TheSheep> or \[[A-Z0-9] \] 
[07:03] <CoRnJuLiOx> nice
[07:05] <CoRnJuLiOx> what about the underscores? can i do both in a single regex, or would i have to take two shots at it?
[07:06] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: _|\[\w+\] $
[07:06] <Jester45> how do you install grub from the live cd, i tried sudo grub-install /dev/hda1 bit it says that it cound not fine device for /boot
[07:08] <TheSheep> Jester45: how about sda1?
[07:08] <TheSheep> hda? sda?
[07:10] <Jester45> not found
[07:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: well, then run the grub shell and do it manually
[07:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: type 'grub' and hit enter
[07:11] <Jester45> k
[07:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: then type 'root (hd0,0)
[07:11] <TheSheep> '
[07:11] <Jester45> i get an error 17 with grub
[07:11] <TheSheep> then 'setup'
[07:12] <Jester45> but it was working just fine the only thing i cahgned was removing the old kernels
[07:13] <Jester45> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[07:13] <The-Kernel> Jester45: put the back!!
[07:13] <The-Kernel> them
[07:15] <CoRnJuLiOx> TheSheep: that second one didn't work. it only removed the first _ after [WF] , the rest stayed.
[07:19] <Jester45> TheSheep: i ran grub as root and it didnt give the missing device error
[07:20] <Jester45> but setup said error 11 unredconized device string
[07:20] <TheSheep> Jester45: setup hd0
[07:21] <Jester45> same thing
[07:21] <Jester45> shoudl i do hd0,0
[07:21] <Jester45> that does work either
[07:21] <Jester45> doesnt*
[07:22] <TheSheep> (hd0,0)
[07:22] <TheSheep> I don't remember the syntax :/
[07:22] <TheSheep> !grub | Jester45
[07:22] <ubotu> Jester45: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:22] <VinWista> i like vagina
[07:22] <VinWista> !vagina
[07:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vagina - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:23] <Jester45> !language
[07:23] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:23] <VinWista> !fagalter
[07:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fagalter - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:25] <VinWista> wtf!
[07:25] <Jester45> TheSheep: i think that my first partition is messed up... i need to formate it
[07:25] <VinWista> hall have martial memory, the Poets song engage;
[07:25] <VinWista> For in Bellonas cradle was bred a brood of eight,
[07:25] <VinWista> She tended them and nursed them while the big world did wait -
[07:25] <VinWista> Napoleon, Duke Wellington, Charles, Blcher, Souvorov,
[07:25] <VinWista> Karageorge, the tyrants scourge, Schwartzenberg and Koutozov.
[07:25] <VinWista> Strong Ares made them drunken, intoxicate for glory,
[07:25] <VinWista> The whole wide earth did give to them as theatre for their story!
[07:25] <VinWista> Tis from the jungles great that lions great appear,
[07:25] <VinWista> And tis the peoples mighty who genius should rear;
[07:25] <VinWista> Great realms may breed the hero, grant space for glorious deeds.
[07:25] <TheSheep> bye
[07:27] <TheSheep> argh :)
[07:35] <Merchelo> :D
[07:37] <CoRnJuLiOx> wow.
[07:37] <CoRnJuLiOx> that was weird
[08:01] <DexF> hi
[08:01] <DexF> installed xubuntu-desktop on kubuntu, using the same font but it looks different. how come?
[08:03] <DexF> next: i got xfce 4.3.99 - is there no 4.4.1? don't kubuntu and xubuntu sync their repos?
[08:04] <DexF> i just figured the font thing, wrong hinting settings. so nvm that one :P
[08:08] <Jester45> DexF: the repos are the same is one big repo for ubuntu xubuntu and kubuntu
[08:09] <Jester45> you just have diffrent programs installed from it thats why you can use isntall xubuntu-desktop to get xfce and you dont have to add a new repo
[08:09] <DexF> Jester45: friend said hes running 4.4.1 - how come his is newer?
[08:09] <Jester45> do you have feisty? or edgy
[08:09] <DexF> feisty
[08:09] <DexF> he, too
[08:12] <vidd> DexF, it is quite possible he compiled it from source
[08:13] <DexF> nah, not that guy. hmm. maybe he got a backport. gonna ask.
[08:13] <TheSheep> DexF: 4.4.1 is in gutsy
[08:13] <DexF> aha. iirc he mentioned a feisty-backports repos. that would explain it.
[08:14] <DexF> ok, mystery solved. next thing: how do I force xfce to assume 96DPI?
[08:14] <DexF> and: what's the fastest way to add launchers from the menu to the panel? drag and drop doesn't work
[08:15] <vidd> right-click on panel>choose "launcher">configure launcher
[08:15] <TheSheep> DexF: d&d works from desktop into the list in the launcher preferences
[08:15] <vidd> whoops...forgot click add
[08:16] <DexF> TheSheep: what do you mean, "from desktop"?
[08:16] <TheSheep> DexF: you can create launchers on the desktop
[08:17] <DexF> a tad long winded, huh?
[08:17] <TheSheep> DexF: it has a nice user interface, with autocompletion and automatic assigning of icons
[08:17] <TheSheep> DexF: yes, but that nice intrface is not yet connected to the panel launchers
[08:17] <TheSheep> DexF: it's work in progress
[08:17] <DexF> ok
[08:24] <DexF> so - any idea about the 96DPI thing? I could so it via the corg.conf but I'd prefer not to fsck around with that
[08:25] <DexF> *do it
[08:25] <retour> Anybody had luck with runing LKL?
[08:25] <vidd> LKL???
[08:25] <vidd> !lkl
[08:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lkl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <vidd> retour, what is that?
[08:26] <retour> Linux Key Logger - this thing is not able to use own keymaps
[08:26] <retour> Its in repos
[08:26] <TheSheep> DexF: you can set in in .config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb
[08:30] <DexF> TheSheep: Xft.dpi: 96 <- like that?
[08:30] <TheSheep> DexF: yes
[08:30] <DexF> k, thanks
[08:32] <triptec> I get "*** The ncurses library is required!" when I run ./configure, but I have libncurses5 installed... what to do?
[08:33] <TheSheep> triptec: ncurses-dev
[08:40] <Jester45> TheSheep: would you know why i cant copy anything from hda1 to hda3 without it saying there is no space left.... but hda3 has space
[08:40] <Jester45> its only 22% used
[08:45] <TheSheep> Jester45: fat?
[08:46] <maxamillion> mmmmm ncurses
[08:47] <Jester45> hda3 is ext3 hda1 was reiser now its partly broken
[08:47] <Jester45> gparted says its ext3 (but i know its not) grub doesnt know what it is
[08:48] <Ben_Cs> hello
[08:49] <Jester45> but... i need to go to work right now... im going to try a reinstall without formating my hda3 its the only one i really need
[09:05] <Mitsunari> Would someone be willing to extend a helping hand to a complete linux-newbie just getting started with xubuntu?
[09:06] <vidd> sure...what do you need?
[09:06] <Mitsunari> Namely, getting my oldie Voodoo 3 card working properly.
[09:06] <vidd> what is the issue with it?
[09:06] <Mitsunari> Can't get the screen resolutions to work
[09:06] <triptec> ./configure: line 21547: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(STUFF, sigc++-2.0 libcurl >= 7.12.0 libtorrent >= 0.11.6,'
[09:07] <triptec> it complains about STUFF... what to do?
[09:07] <Mitsunari> There was something about modifying the xorg.conf on some forum...
[09:07] <vidd> yeah....sounds about right
[09:07] <vidd> what resolutions are available to you?
[09:08] <Mitsunari> But since i can't modify that file using sudo, I'm kind of stuck.
[09:08] <vidd> what do you mean you cant modify it using sudo?
[09:08] <Mitsunari> Only Default and 320x240
[09:09] <vidd> oh...ouch!
[09:09] <Mitsunari> Well... Trying to edit it with nano, but it won't let me save the file (prolly due to Xfce running)
[09:09] <Mitsunari> Like I said, complete newb :D
[09:10] <vidd> well....to modify it, you want to do this:
[09:10] <Mitsunari> And since I have no idea how to kill Xfce...
[09:11] <Mitsunari> Or is it with GDM? I seriously have no idea :D
[09:11] <vidd> sudo [put prefered text editor here]  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:11] <Mitsunari> Done that
[09:11] <Mitsunari> Edited the Refresh and Sync rates in
[09:12] <vidd> you do NOT need to kill Xfce to edit or save the file
[09:12] <Mitsunari> But it didn't let me save it
[09:12] <vidd> in nano, you need to hit [ctrl] [x] 
[09:12] <vidd> then [enter] 
[09:13] <vidd> sorry...[ctrl] [x] ....[y] ....[enter] 
[09:14] <vidd> did you put "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"?
[09:15] <Mitsunari> Error Writing to file etc/X11/xorg.conf: Permission
[09:17] <Mitsunari> So, with my logig, either I do not have permission to edit that file, or some other program is using it (which shouldn't be the case?)
[09:17] <Mitsunari> So that's kinda the problem :D
[09:22] <Mitsunari> No insight?
[09:32] <Mitsunari> Is there some sirt of errorlog for nano somewhere?
[09:32] <Mitsunari> sort, too
[09:33] <Ben_Cs> y use nano?
[09:34] <Mitsunari> <- Totally newb when it comes to linux, so yes
[09:34] <retour> Does USB and PS2 keyboards use different hardware ports ?
[09:35] <Ben_Cs> retour: yes as far as i know
[09:36] <Ben_Cs> Mitsunari: nano is ok, but i like gui one
[09:36] <retour> so PS2 is port 0x60, what us for USB??? Or how to check it on my machine
[09:38] <Ben_Cs> retour: sorry, that i don't know. i'm pretty n00b myself
[09:39] <retour> thats ok . thank you anyway
[09:40] <triptec> ./configure: line 21547: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(STUFF, sigc++-2.0 libcurl >= 7.12.0 libtorrent >= 0.11.6,' anyone who might know what it is that I miss? it complaines about STUFF
[09:42] <vidd> Mitsunari, sorry...im on a call @ work.....
[09:42] <vidd> you did not type nano
[09:43] <Mitsunari> huh?
[09:46] <n-iCe> hi
[09:47] <vidd> Mitsunari,  hit [ctrl] [x] ...[n]  .... then hit the [up arrow]  and make sure that sudo is in front of nano.......
[09:48] <Mitsunari> hmm
[09:48] <vidd> if it is not (and i will bet it isnt) hit the [home]  key and type sudo
[09:48] <Mitsunari> Uhm.
[09:49] <Mitsunari> If I type sudo <anything>, it just asks me for my password first, and does nothing. After that, sudo <anything> and nothing happens :D
[10:00] <vidd> hrm....
[10:00] <vidd> sounds like you dont have sudo rights
[10:00] <Mitsunari> Ye
[10:00] <vidd> is this user the only user on this box?
[10:01] <Mitsunari> yes
[10:02] <Mitsunari> Apparently, I should have gone with the other choise, when I downloaded xubuntu... :/
[10:02] <vidd> what other choice?
[10:02] <Mitsunari> Since I downloaded the 6.06.1 version
[10:03] <vidd> are you using the live cd or did you already install?
[10:03] <Mitsunari> installed way back :D
[10:03] <Mitsunari> Don't ask me why :D
[10:04] <Mitsunari> Yeah, well. Thanks for the help, I guess I'll be installing 7.04 tomorrow...
[10:04] <vidd> that will likely fix your issues
[10:04] <vidd> =] 
[10:05] <Mitsunari> Hopefully.
[10:05] <vidd> do this: nano /etc/group
[10:05] <Mitsunari> Why is it never easy? :D
[10:05] <vidd> look for admin
[10:06] <vidd> do you see something like admin:x:109:vidd
[10:07] <vidd> where [vidd]  would be your username
[10:08] <vidd> TheSheep, can you use nano in the recovery console?
[10:09] <Mitsunari> there's adm and lpadmin, no admin
[10:09] <vidd> is sudo listed?
[10:09] <Mitsunari> yes
[10:10] <Mitsunari> sudo:x:57:
[10:11] <vidd> strange that there is no admin
[10:11] <vidd> do you know how to get grub to boot the recovery console?
[10:12] <Mitsunari> for some reason, I couldn't get grub working, so it on lilo
[10:13] <vidd> are you getting the 7.04 live or alt cd?
[10:13] <vidd> i recomend the alt
[10:17] <Ben_Cs> i wonder why networking isn't set by default in xubuntu.
[10:17] <vidd> Ben_Cs, what do you mean?
[10:17] <Ben_Cs> network shared folders by other pc's
[10:18] <vidd> its coming in gutsy
[10:18] <Ben_Cs> vidd: i have to go through several config steps and installations to be able to work with my WinXP pc shared folders
[10:18] <Ben_Cs> vidd: i hope so
[10:19] <vidd> i wish it wasnt, but it is
[10:19] <Ben_Cs> vidd: why. you like doing everyrhing manually?
[10:19] <Ben_Cs> ftp for local net? why in the name of god?
[10:20] <vidd> to protect my systems from my windows machines
[10:21] <vidd> its not like my windows machines have anything worth while on them...why make files there shared so hackers have something easy to exploit?
[10:23] <The-Kernel> heh
[10:32] <Ben_Cs> vidd: and ftp is more protected than password protected folders?
[10:33] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: yes
[10:33] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: good to know
[10:33] <Ben_Cs> but anyways i don't see a reason why would a hacker be interested in my comp
[10:34] <Ben_Cs> they are after companies, not individuals
[10:35] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: if i want to backup my xubuntu, i have to copy only the /usr and /home folders?
[10:35] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: what if someone rather smart with computers you know becomes an enemy
[10:35] <The-Kernel> I've had it happen
[10:35] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i see
[10:35] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: I only backup /home but yeah that'll work
[10:36] <Mitsunari> Yay, it works!
[10:36] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: if u backup only home, you have to re-install all the progs again, no?
[10:36] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: yes, but you need to understand, that it's better to reinstall all the programs
[10:37] <The-Kernel> all the settings to those programs are saved in /home, so after you reinstall them it's like they've always been there
[10:48] <vidd> Ben_Cs, why would a hacker be interested in storing their illegal files and criminal activies on your system rather then their own comp.....hrm...let me think....=] 
[10:50] <vidd> oh...and there is also all that valuable personal information stored on your pc (passwords, browsing history, etc)
[10:51] <Ben_Cs> vidd: you mean if a hacker needs a host pc to hack from?
[10:51] <vidd> and personal pc's are (generally) not as well protected against hackers as business computers....
[10:51] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i see. great
[10:51] <vidd> Ben_Cs, oh...there is that too
[10:52] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: then what i have to copy is not /home but only my user folder in home right?
[10:52] <vidd> Ben_Cs, i would recomend you save the whole /home directory....
[10:53] <vidd> that way you dont forget that report you been working on for the last week....
[10:53] <vidd> =] 
[10:53] <Ben_Cs> vidd: well i have WinXP to play games, but when i have $$$ to buy PS3 i would be able to get rid of winblows
[11:09] <The-Kernel> yeah
[11:29] <Ben_Cs> how do i do that when ipod is plugged in, amarok will be opened?
[11:45] <Ben_Cs> something happened and the damned amarok stopped working. is there another good app for ipod?
[11:45] <The-Kernel> gtkpod
[11:45] <Ben_Cs> can it play music?
[11:45] <The-Kernel> no
[11:46] <The-Kernel> just add/delete
[11:46] <The-Kernel> try Exaile
[11:47] <Ben_Cs> hmm been looking in add/remove. how's Rhythmbox?
[11:48] <The-Kernel> Last I used it, it didn't work to well, but I think it can utilze your iPod
[11:49] <Ben_Cs> cool. i'll try
[11:49] <Ben_Cs> thanks
[11:51] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: suppose u have an ipod. what app would u choose from all the available?
[11:52] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: BTW, i use some KDE apps. is there a reason to prefer gtk apps over kde apps?
[11:52] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: for all "4" of my iPods I use GTKpod
[11:53] <The-Kernel> gtk is used over QT(KDE)
[11:53] <The-Kernel> its lighter
[11:53] <The-Kernel> I don't really care, my machines are pretty powerful
[11:53] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: is there an option in gtkpod to add disconnection line: eject /media/ipod?
[11:53] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: yes
[11:54] <Ben_Cs> ok, i'll give it a try
[11:54] <Ben_Cs> i hope some day soon aplle will make itunes for linux
[11:56] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: when i press (in gtkpod) "load ipod" i get: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:56] <The-Kernel> no clue
[11:57] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: they are currently in discussion about having iTunes in linux
[11:58] <Ben_Cs> gtkpod has only 1 first generation ipod preference? wtf?
[11:59] <Ben_Cs> maybe i should download the last version from getdeb.net? cause the repo. one is aufully buggy
[12:01] <Ben_Cs> Ben_Cs: that didn't help either. gtkpod sucks
[12:02] <Ben_Cs> someone wrote in a blog that grkpod don't work with new ipods...
[12:08] <The-Kernel> that's wrong
[12:08] <The-Kernel> I've used ALL the newest ones
[12:08] <The-Kernel> they all work fine
[12:08] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: I think your computer is a bit buggy
[12:15] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: tried ipod shuffle 2nd gen?
[12:18] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: the small ones?
[12:18] <Ben_Cs> yes
[12:18] <The-Kernel> like the REALLY small ones?
[12:18] <The-Kernel> yes
[12:18] <Ben_Cs> yes
[12:18] <The-Kernel> work fine with me
[12:18] <The-Kernel> actually I take that back, I had one that didn't work right
[12:18] <The-Kernel> the moment the plugged it into the windows machine, everything disappered
[12:19] <Ben_Cs> don't know. something wrong in my xubuntu maybe? just reinstalled xubuntu today.
[12:19] <The-Kernel> except music put on from iTunes
[12:19] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: why did you reinstall?
[12:19] <Ben_Cs> btw, banshee says it don't have codecs?!
[12:19] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: cause i screwd arround with it and it became buggy
[12:20] <Ben_Cs> didn't screw arround with it today though
[12:20] <The-Kernel> Ben_Cs: what version?
[12:21] <Ben_Cs> 7.04
[12:21] <The-Kernel> oh
[12:21] <The-Kernel> system specs?
[12:22] <Ben_Cs> intel e2160 cpu. 2G RAM. asrock motherboard. intel g950 graphics
[12:23] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: btw neither banshee nor rhythmbox have codecs to play files from my ipod...
[12:24] <The-Kernel> sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[12:26] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: i mean uadio files
[12:27] <Ben_Cs> *audio
[12:32] <The-Kernel> yeah
[12:35] <Ben_Cs> didn't help. rhythmbox still shows the sign it can't play it
[12:35] <The-Kernel> does it say which one?
[12:37] <Ben_Cs> i'll try to run it in terminal
[12:39] <Ben_Cs> damn, it print's hell lot of lines
[12:40] <Ben_Cs> here some:
[12:40] <Ben_Cs> ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, layer=(int)3
[12:41] <Ben_Cs> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[12:42] <Ben_Cs> haaa. to mach of an headache. i'll just use windows for ipod
[12:43] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: btw could it be that i didn't write something right in fstab and it affects something in gtkpod?
[12:44] <The-Kernel> possibly
[12:44] <The-Kernel> but basically if you see the iPof icon on desktop then fstab is working right
[12:44] <The-Kernel> yeah install both lame and ffmpeg
[12:44] <Ben_Cs> i do see. let me show u the line:
[12:45] <Ben_Cs> /dev/sdb /media/ipod auto noauto,users,rw,sync 0 0
[12:45] <Ben_Cs> is it ok?
[12:56] <The-Kernel> sorry aboutthat
[01:04] <Ben_Cs> np
[01:05] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: finally! downloaded the really last version of gtkpod from getdeb. checking it now. at least the app doesn't crash, and has my ipod model in database
[01:12] <Ben_Cs> The-Kernel: xmms works great with gtkpod