[01:20] <MTecknology> sorry, i'm probably one of the last ppl in here to give advice i guess
[01:20] <MTecknology> i'm still having issues
[01:31] <aaroncampbell_> I just installed Gutsy on a second computer for a quick test.  I use Kubuntu every day, so I had a pretty good idea what I needed/wanted.  I opened the Adept installer, and chose about 250M of programs to download/install.  I got an error, that not everything could be installed.  Now some of it doesn't work.  Is there a way to clear up partially installed or broken packages?
[01:32] <MTecknology> sudo apt-get isntall -f\
[01:32] <MTecknology> -f **
[01:33] <MTecknology> time to try to boot into gutsy for the first time
[01:34] <aaroncampbell_> sudo apt-get install -f does nothing...
[01:34] <penguin42> aaroncampbell_: When you say some stuff doesn't work can you give us some examples?
[01:34] <aaroncampbell_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:35] <aaroncampbell_> penguin42, Eclipse can't find Java, Thunderbird showed as installed, but wasn't there.
[01:35] <penguin42> is this a fresh install or an upgrade?
[01:35] <aaroncampbell_> I removed and then re-added thunderbird, and not it's there.
[01:35] <aaroncampbell_> Fresh
[01:35] <aaroncampbell_> now* it's there
[01:36] <aaroncampbell_> Also, adept throws that error that I got quite often now.
[01:36] <penguin42> what was the error again?
[01:37] <aaroncampbell_> I said that it couldn't finish, and that some of the packages might be messed up.  Let me see if I can make it do it again, and quote it.
[01:38] <aaroncampbell_> Error Title: Could not commit changes - Adept Manager
[01:39] <aaroncampbell_> Error Text: There was an error commiting changes.  Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[01:40] <aaroncampbell_> Speaking of which, there is a typo in there.  commiting should be committing
[01:43] <penguin42> hmm I don't use Adept and that error doesn't quite look the same as errors from the other equivalents; I suggest trying installing the packages using aptitude froma commandline and see if that behaves the same way or gives better errorrs
[01:45] <penguin42> time for bed
[01:49] <MTecknology> it's close... I'm getting some nasty glitches in the screen
[01:50] <Tsukasa_> hey guys, im running fresh install of gutsy and i cant add workspaces  for some reason.. it wont show the option to when i right click and go preferences
[01:50] <aaroncampbell_> Well, I have an ATI card on this machine, so I didn't hope for much, but I can't get the proper resolution for my monitor (1680x1050)
[01:50] <h1st0__> Tsukasa_: do you have desktop effects enbaled?
[01:50] <Tsukasa_> h1st0, yes
[01:50] <h1st0__> aaroncampbell_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:51] <h1st0__> Tsukasa_: well thats why install the compizfusion-settings-manager  at least I think thats the name of the package
[01:51] <h1st0__> Tsukasa_: then you can change it in there.
[01:54] <Tsukasa_> hey how do i use desktop cube
[01:54] <Tsukasa_> what are the hotkeys for it
[01:55] <h1st0__> Tsukasa_: ctrl + alt and click the desktop and drag or ctrl+alt arrow left or right
[01:55] <h1st0__> Tsukasa_: you need to enable 4 desktops though.
[01:55] <h1st0__> and the cube plugin
[01:56] <MTecknology> well, I'm close - seems like it's issues with my ati card now
[01:56] <Tsukasa_> well i have that but... right now ctrl +alt left and right is just flipping the screen
[01:56] <Tsukasa_> not switching desktops or rotating cube
[01:59] <nikolam> Hello
[01:59] <MTecknology> running fglrxinfo crashes gdm
[01:59] <nikolam> Who else think that Xubuntu Tribe5 looks ugly? ;)
[02:00] <MTecknology> but fglrxinfo -display :1 works
[02:00] <h1st0__> nikolam: you should see default xfce
[02:00] <nikolam> LOL :)))
[02:01] <nikolam> I think xfce in 7.04 looks fine and works fine
[02:01] <h1st0__> but ubuntu is really trying to make xfce look like gnome
[02:01] <h1st0__> its so much faster if you have a core instead of their stuff.
[02:01] <Tsukasa_> i dont get what fade to desktop and show desktop do
[02:02] <h1st0__> Tsukasa_: are you talking about scale?
[02:02] <nikolam> I do not like gnome colors and look in ubuntu, therefore I use Xubuntu
[02:02] <Tsukasa_> no the plugins, in the compizconfig settings, under dekstop
[02:02] <h1st0__> Tsukasa_: btw if you install settings manager the key bindings are listed on teh action tab of each plugin
[02:02] <Tsukasa_> yeah i saw that...
[02:03] <h1st0__> Tsukasa_: its a really nice addition and it should be installed by default
[02:03] <Tsukasa_> how do you use those though
[02:03] <Tsukasa_> and whats the differnece
[02:03] <nikolam> What sould be installed by default? Compiz? Noo
[02:04] <h1st0__> nikolam: it already is i'm sayingt he settings manager should be
[02:04] <h1st0__> Tsukasa_: i'm sure the freaks in #ubuntu-effects would know what every plugin does
[02:05] <nikolam> hmm.. dunno then ;) I always look things from perspective of p3 256Mb ram user using minimal xubuntu
[02:05] <nikolam> as I was till last month
[02:05] <h1st0__> nikolam: ahh I thought you were talkign about ubuntu compiz fusion is installed yb default in gusty.
[02:06] <h1st0__> nikolam: I was just playing with debian on my p4 3ghz with xfce.  So fast.
[02:06] <nikolam> Yes, also on amd x2 5000+ :)
[02:06] <RichardBH> kubuntu feisty on a 300mhz amd? :P
[02:07] <nikolam> If it is good for p3-700 it is even better now :)
[02:07] <nikolam> RichardBH : That is your machine? P3-300 Kubuntu? Is it working ok? :)
[02:08] <MTecknology> even though it's installed, I think I need a fresh install
[02:08] <MTecknology> shit's still going wrong
[02:08] <benanzo> anyone have a Intel GMA945 chip using the "intel" driver and Xv is still broke under Compiz?
[02:09] <benanzo> they closed the bug and said they released a fix, but it doesn't work
[02:09] <nikolam> is 810 2D only?
[02:09] <RichardBH> nikolam: AMD 300MHz processor with 320MB RAM
[02:09] <RichardBH> seems to be working ok :)
[02:09] <benanzo> nikolam: no, you can do 3d i810
[02:16] <MTecknology> k, time for a clean install
[02:28] <berbsd> hi everyone, I am looking for help understanding how the dual screen support works now in Gutsy.
[02:28] <berbsd> It looks like the xorg.conf file is ignored, where can I see what values are used when a new screen is auto-detected
[02:28] <h1st0__> berbsd: there is some new configuration tool
[02:29] <berbsd> I know, but where do they store the settings?
[02:29] <berbsd> I can plug an external screen to my laptop and it gets detected, however, I always get mirroring turned on.
[02:31] <h1st0__> berbsd: most laptops don't have dual heads they just clone the screen on the other output
[02:38] <berbsd> h1st0__: well it isn't quite true, you can extend your desktop at the very least. I am trying to either extend the desktop or switch to the external display and turn of the laptop lcd. the latter may not be working because of a bug.
[02:48] <h1st0> berbsd: okay.
[02:49] <berbsd> this channel is rather quite, is it usually like this?
[03:20] <nikolam> berbsd On early autumn we make wine and everyone is busy
[03:34] <snadge> i wish ubuntu would release a non p4 optimised version
[03:35] <snadge> for x86
[03:35] <snadge> even if it was for gobuntu or something.. people with obscure archs like crusoe, via c3 etc.. and old pentium, k6 etc
[03:35] <snadge> im being forced to install gentoo :(
[03:37] <hydrogen> err
[03:37] <hydrogen> i486 is not p4 optimized
[03:37] <hydrogen> it should run on any pentium
[03:38] <SpudDogg> anyone else have problems with 'archive manager' in gutsy?
[03:38] <jscinoz> Anyone know if the most recent kernel update fixed alsa?
[03:39] <Pici> It fixed my issue with xgl/fglrx
[03:42] <arooni__> hey folks
[03:42] <arooni__> has anyone installed the newest set of updates
[03:42] <arooni__> 108 in total ? ??
[03:46] <snadge> hydrogen: run yes.. like absolute shit
[03:46] <snadge> pardon the french
[03:47] <snadge> i486 is the cpu type.. p4 is what the optimisations are geared towards
[03:47] <snadge> which makes crusoe architecture essentially completely useless
[03:47] <snadge> crusoe is an extreme example.. but there are obvious repercussions of optimising towards p4s on a generic x86 platform
[03:47] <snadge> the decision has been made in favour of the majority
[03:48] <snadge> too bad if you have a via c3 processor.. k6.. 585.. p5 etc
[03:48] <snadge> 586 even
[03:49] <snadge> just as well gentoo has x86 and 686 builds for that reason
[03:55] <mojo_> hello
[03:55] <mojo_> i would like to ask 1 question
[03:56] <h1st0> ask away
[03:56] <AmyRose> !ask | mojo_
[03:56] <ubotu> mojo_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:56] <h1st0> hrm.. new kernel
[03:56] <mojo_> I tried to make my own compiled kernel with make-kpkg --initrd option
[03:56] <mojo_> when the process reach the make initrd using mkinitramfs tool
[03:56] <mojo_> it shows error:
[03:57] <mojo_> find: cannot find /lib/firmware/2.6.22.6/
[03:57] <mojo_> I reboot and use the compiled kernel and I encountered a list of error output
[03:57] <mojo_> FATAL: could not locate /lib/firmware/2.6.22.6/modules.dep
[03:58] <mojo_> this doesn't affect the system, I can still login
[03:58] <mojo_> so
[03:58] <mojo_> is there anyway to rid of this annoying output?
[03:59] <h1st0> mojo_: what hardware do you have that uses firmware?  Do you a have a broadcomm net card?
[03:59] <MTecknology> I can't get this image to burn
[03:59] <mojo_> h1st0: i do have broadcom netextreme II eth
[03:59] <MTecknology> I've dloaded it 2 times now
[04:00] <h1st0> mojo_: well the bcm modul int he kernel is probably looking for firmware in that directory.
[04:00] <mojo_> h1st0: i do understand that, bcm is loaded succesfully anyway
[04:00] <h1st0> hrm...
[04:01] <mojo_> h1st0: it's just the bunch error output and broken usplash annoy me
[04:01] <mojo_> h1st0: i think it's a bug of make-kpkg or mkinitramfs but coudn't find any bugs on this
[04:02] <mojo_> i mean bug report
[04:05] <mojo_> okay
[04:06] <mojo_> i think I will file a bug on this then
[04:06] <mojo_> thanks anyway ppl
[04:06] <h1st0> np i'm sure someone will pop on that may know more.
[04:06] <mojo_> btw, i dun know why the kernel lack framebuffer
[04:07] <mojo_> is it filed bug yet?
[04:24] <esun819> hi help does anybody have avant window navigator woking perfectly with gutsy
[04:25] <esun819> hmm quiet channel
[04:28] <esun819> eccccg
[04:34] <BorisYaltsin> Hi, how do I resize a reiserfs partition from the text installer?
[04:35] <arooni> hey folks
[04:35] <arooni> anyone having problems with the intel 4965 after running the update?
[04:35] <arooni> my connection is petering out
[04:42] <MTecknology> !ati
[04:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:43] <lufis> The KDE packages in gutsy's repos are kde 4 betas, right?
[04:47] <lufis> I installed the kde4 packages, but it looks like i'm still using 3.x
[04:49] <Aondo> kde 3.5.7 is default in gutsy
[04:50] <lufis> so kde4 won't be available at all in gutsy?
[04:50] <Aondo> not as default, but in backports probably
[04:51] <lufis> oh
[04:51] <lufis> well i saw a bunch of packages beginning with "kde4", but i installed those and it looks like i am still in 3
[04:52] <Aondo> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[04:52] <Aondo> some nice points on what to do :D
[04:52] <lufis> thanks :)
[04:52] <Aondo> i my self dont get the plasma 100% ok tho :/
[04:53] <Aondo> not sure if it is only my problem hehe
[04:53] <lufis> what do you mean?
[04:54] <MTecknology> I love how the second I get the live cd running it tells me i need to restart
[04:54] <Aondo> some strange errors, and buttons that doesn't load like it should
[04:54] <lufis> I'm typically a gnome user myself, but after seeing the kde4 screenshots i thought i might give it a try
[04:54] <lufis> Aondo: ah
[04:55] <lufis> But I don't like kde 3...
[04:56] <Aondo> i guess it is all about taste :P
[04:56] <lufis> yeah :) my friend loves kde, he thinks gnome is ugly, while i'm the exact opposite
[04:56] <Aondo> i dont think gnome is ugly tho, i just dont find it as usefull as kde is
[04:57] <MTecknology> i strongly dislike kde... don't think it's bad, i just hate using it
[04:57] <Aondo> hehe
[04:57] <lufis> kde is so hard to get to a good state aesthetically imo, plus it's so confusing. the default gnome style looks good, and it's not overwhelming
[04:58] <Aondo> hope the default settings for compiz will change tho, the current default is just terrible
[04:58] <lufis> the clock applet for kde is a good example... you can configure it either thru right-clicking it and going through the sub-menus, or you can click its placeholder and go thru there
[04:58] <lufis> it's confusing!
[04:59] <MTecknology> lufis: the first change i make with gnome desktop is to replace Menu Bar with Main Menu\
[04:59] <arooni> how do i open a .svg file?
[04:59] <lufis> you don't like the menubar?
[04:59] <lufis> arooni: eye of gnome will do it
[04:59] <MTecknology> i just like having more space
[05:00] <lufis> arooni: firefox and opera will also read them
[05:00] <Aondo> hmm blender3d crashes when i'm running compiz at the same time :P dont think that happen in feisty
[05:00] <Aondo> i mean X crashes
[05:00] <lufis> i
[05:00] <MTecknology> i also get rid of the bottom bar and move the window list to the top
[05:00] <lufis> really? i've never had x crash
[05:00] <MTecknology> i have
[05:01] <MTecknology> lots and lots :)
[05:01] <Aondo> if you have compiz running, try start blender :P atleast for me X crash
[05:01] <lufis> MTecknology: i love having them separate. the bottom panel is nothing but the task list, then the top is all the icons and menus
[05:01] <lufis> lots more workspace
[05:01] <MTecknology> i have x crash every time i try to install ubuntu
[05:01] <Aondo> hehe
[05:01] <MTecknology> twice, once for the live cd and once for the installed os
[05:02] <MTecknology> i have an ati card though
[05:02] <JKirk_> can anyone here help me with dual monitors on an nvidia card with the new gutsy gibbon?
[05:03] <JKirk_> With the old ubuntu I just downloaded the driver from nvidia and it worked pretty good and seemed a lot faster.  This one seems a bit slow and doesn't recognize my second monitor :(
[05:04] <MTecknology> !compizfusion
[05:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compizfusion - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:05] <MTecknology> how hard is it to get compiz fusion going with an ati card?
[05:23] <jscinoz_> gah
[05:24] <jscinoz_> thunderbird is broken, when i open an email/rss feed it quits with a segfault
[05:24] <jscinoz_> any ideas?
[05:26] <MTecknology> my wireless card wasn't recognized
[05:27] <ubuntu> Hello
[05:27] <ubuntu> having some issues with gutsy's Network manager
[05:27] <MTecknology> it's been a long time since i messed with this issue, any ideas?
[05:27] <ubuntu> how do I connect to wireless without using Knetworkmanger?
[05:34] <JKirk_> nobody can help me with nvidia dual monitors??? :(
[06:08] <jscinoz_> JKirk_
[06:09] <jscinoz_> are you using the binary drivers or the free drivers?
[06:15] <JKirk_> I'm using the drivers that the restricted driver utility loaded for me
[06:15] <JKirk_> so I'm not sure
[06:15] <JKirk_> It worked for me with the download from Nvidia on early ubuntu's
[06:16] <JKirk_> but with the restricted driver, it doesn't see my 2nd monitor...should I just unload the restricted driver and load my own manually?
[06:21] <MTecknology>   can anybody help me get my wireless working
[06:22] <MTecknology> lspci reveals an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[06:24] <mendred> hi strigidaemon takes 100% cpu when it runs...is there anyway to set it up so that it indexes only when the machine is idle?
[06:28] <jscinoz_> Jkirk_ have you got nvidia-settings installed?
[06:28] <JKirk_> not sure...probably not if it wasn't automatice
[06:28] <JKirk_> oh yea...it's there
[06:28] <jscinoz_> JKirk_, i'd recommend you download the binary package for the drivers from nvidia's website and then install nvidia-settings through synaptic
[06:29] <MTecknology> can somebody please help me get this? it's my last major issue in getting 7.10 working
[06:29] <MTecknology> the restricted driver manager tells me the ipw3945 drive in enabled but ot in use
[06:29] <JKirk_> ah...there we go
[06:29] <jscinoz_> once you have both the binary drivers + nvidia settings, open nvidia settings go to "X display configuration"
[06:29] <jscinoz_> click detect displays, and you should be good from there
[06:29] <JKirk_> I can't recall now...is twinview better or separate? (for cube rotation)
[06:30] <jscinoz_> Not sure, never tried dual displays with compiz, compiz causes my system to hang if i run it + anything else 3d at the same time
[06:30] <jscinoz_> I'd go with twinview
[06:31] <jscinoz_> the you have a choice of having the screen an extension of the main screen a certain direction from it, a clone of the main screen, or an independant screen.
[06:31] <JKirk_> gonna restart x now
[06:33] <beg1689> gutsy seems perfect
[06:34] <beg1689> after the first couple days of tribe 5 i havent seen any bugs
[06:35] <beg1689> anyway, the only problem im having right now is the session manager; ive never used it before but im trying to now
[06:38] <beg1689> anyway, if i log in, save my session (even without any changes) and log out/in again, i just get a blank screen with a cursor
[06:44] <MTecknology> can anybody help me get my wireless working? It worked out of the box in 7.04 and I don't see any reason it shouldn't be recognized in 7.10. In fact, the restricted driver manager tells me the driver's installed and enabled, but not in use.
[06:47] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[06:47] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:47] <beg1689> meh.. guess ill see if kde can handle it any better
[07:00] <DShepherd> using tribe 5 here... what's purpose of the Public Folder?
[07:00] <DShepherd> under the home directory
[07:12] <clarkey_> hey Im having troubble with my Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG on my laptop after I installed gusty any hints?
[07:13] <clarkey_> or should I file a bug report?
[07:14] <scizzo-> clarkey_: what is the problem exactly?
[07:14] <scizzo-> clarkey_: and you are sure no one else might have had the same problem if you search for it on launchpad?
[07:16] <clarkey_> umm well it is recognised but it wont find the wireless network
[07:16] <clarkey_> put simply
[07:20] <jscinoz> DShepherd, i believe it is accessible by all users, so if there are multiple users of your system you can share stuff there
[07:20] <DShepherd> jscinoz, interesting..
[07:20] <jscinoz> all users can read, but only owner can write
[07:20] <DShepherd> jscinoz, i will check it out. thanks for the tip...
[07:20] <clarkey_> yeh there isnt a bug reported as far as I can see
[07:20] <jscinoz> no problem
[07:21] <jxxxt> Please tell me why I get this response from apt-get: Failed to fetch http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release.gpg  Could not connect to nz.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (202.7.6.10). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[07:21] <jscinoz> anyone know if alsa is working on the .12 kernel that was released thismorning?
[07:22] <jscinoz> jxxt, i'd have to say its because your a Kiwi :P Yay for Aus NZ rivalry :P
[07:22] <MTecknology> can anybody help me get my wireless working? It worked out of the box in 7.04 and I don't see any reason it shouldn't be recognized in 7.10. In fact, the restricted driver manager tells me the driver's installed and enabled, but not in use.
[07:23] <jxxxt> jsinoz, are you in perth///
[07:23] <snadge> my "riced" kernel is booting.. *crosses fingers* :P
[07:23] <jxxxt> jscinoz. sorry are you in Perth??
[07:24] <jscinoz> Sydney :P
[07:24] <jxxxt> jscinoz. Damn I am in trouble without my NZ server
[07:24] <jscinoz> Jxxt, the server is probably just under heavy load at the moment, try again later, or use AU server for now, should be nearly as fast since its close
[07:25] <jxxxt> jscinoz. I have a lot of repos how can I change to Aus server??
[07:26] <jscinoz> go to System > admin > software sources, should be a dropdown menu with a list of countries
[07:26] <jxxxt> jscinoz. Thanks I will give it a shot...
[07:26] <jscinoz> :)
[07:28] <jscinoz> oh thats awesome
[07:29] <jscinoz> just noticed there's an iinet mirror for the ubuntu updates, i'm with iinet and they dont count downloads from their mirror towards your bandwidth limit
[07:29] <jscinoz> still shite compared to any other country though
[07:29] <MTecknology> was there ever a time when computers would just work?
[07:29] <jscinoz> i think Aus and NZ are the only countries which still have data limits for home internets
[07:29] <jscinoz> MT nope
[07:32] <jxxxt> jscinoz. Thanks, it worked like a charm thanks a large heap
[07:33] <jscinoz> :)
[07:33] <mat2> can i ask a question
[07:33] <jscinoz> jxxt, what ISP are you with?
[07:33] <jxxxt> yes you can mat
[07:33] <mat2> antivirus or not to antivirus? I used google but its 50/50
[07:33] <jscinoz> not really needed
[07:33] <mat2> i got lokkit and secured iptables
[07:33] <jscinoz> i can count the number of linux viruses on one hand
[07:33] <jxxxt> dont know I am using my landlords connection at the mo might be i net
[07:34] <mat2> cranked lokkit up to high hehe
[07:34] <jscinoz> just install firestarter to do your IPtables nicely
[07:34] <jscinoz> jxxt, if you're with iinet use their mirror, that way it wont count towards download limit
[07:34] <clarkey_> ok can anyone help here Ive found the problem with my wireless card: THE RADIO IS OFF !
[07:34] <clarkey_>  *-network:1
[07:34] <clarkey_>        description: Wireless interface
[07:34] <clarkey_>        product: PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection
[07:34] <clarkey_>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[07:34] <clarkey_>        physical id: 4
[07:34] <clarkey_>        bus info: pci@0000:02:04.0
[07:34] <clarkey_>        logical name: eth1
[07:34] <clarkey_>        version: 05
[07:34] <clarkey_>        serial: 00:0e:35:2b:e5:30
[07:34] <clarkey_>        width: 32 bits
[07:34] <clarkey_>        clock: 33MHz
[07:34] <clarkey_>        capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
[07:34] <clarkey_>        configuration: broadcast=yes driver=ipw2200 driverversion=1.2.0kmprq firmware=ABG:9.0.2.6 (Mar 22 2005) latency=64 link=no maxlatency=24 mingnt=3 module=ipw2200 multicast=yes wireless=radio off
[07:34] <jscinoz> !paste > clarkey_
[07:35] <jscinoz> oh wait we dont have that bot.
[07:35] <jscinoz> clarkey_ next time paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:35] <clarkey_> sry
[07:35] <jscinoz> Np  :)
[07:35] <jxxxt> jscinoz. He is not capped pays 90 buck a month for the privilege though
[07:35] <jscinoz> serious?
[07:35] <jscinoz> they dont give me an option
[07:35] <clarkey_> it used to be that pressing the button on the front turned it on and off in feisty
[07:36] <clarkey_> anyone know how to trigger it?
[07:36] <mon^rc1> the sound for my video just suddenly stopped working...
[07:36] <jscinoz> their best plan is $130 a month and thats still capped to 60gb
[07:36] <jscinoz> mon^rc1 are you on a laptop?
[07:36] <mon^rc1> no
[07:36] <jxxxt> jscinoz. Hard to know for sure he just charges me 10 a week and I bought 20 metres of cat 6
[07:37] <jscinoz> alright im out of ideas then, thought it could be the snd-hda-intel bug on the .10+ kernel
[07:37] <mon^rc1> and I even rebooted
[07:38] <No1Viking> My Nvidia 7300GS does not seem to be working with Gutsy. Are there any known buga with it?
[07:38] <No1Viking> bugs even
[07:39] <No1Viking> I can not get the propietery drivers to work
[07:41] <mon^rc1> :/
[07:41] <mon^rc1> I cant change my nick
[07:44] <mon^rc1> can someone help me with my sound? it stopped working in video... I can play mps's etc
[07:57] <mon^rc1> can someone help me with my sound? it stopped working in video
[08:25] <DanaG> I'm not installing that 'gij' update until I see a changelog.
[08:34] <shirish> Seveas: are you up m8?
[08:36] <d4rkmonkey> On a completely random note, I believe right now from multiple things I have seen, the theory that global warming is caused by greenhouse gases, is about as credible as a theory saying that global warming is caused by the butterfly effect, because of the rise in population of humans.
[08:36] <d4rkmonkey> hmm..
[08:36] <d4rkmonkey> This isn't the channel I meant to paste this in...
[08:38] <calc> lol
[08:38] <shirish> rofl
[08:38] <d4rkmonkey> ...
[08:38] <d4rkmonkey> YOU SAW NOTHING!
[08:39] <Hobbsee> calc!
[08:41] <calc> Hobbsee: hi
[08:41] <calc> i made a rc1 upload tonight, but it seems lpsolve fell out of main so its stuck in depwait
[08:41] <DanaG> For a moment, I thought you were trying to run Windows Calculator.
[08:41] <DanaG> But gcalctool is far better.
[08:41] <calc> i'm better than all others! :)
[08:42] <calc> including oocalc
[08:42] <calc> ;)
[08:42] <d4rkmonkey> but will you blend?
[08:46] <calc> nah
[08:46] <calc> i don't do any calculations anymore i'm defective
[08:46] <calc> i graduated from school and i'm now a broken calc ;)
[08:47] <blued> anyone know what the current status is for nspluginwrapper and flash on x86_64?  I tried grabbing the Xcompisite i386 libs and sticking them in /usr/lib32, but even though pluginwrapper seems happy, firefox still claims theres no flash
[08:48] <shirish> guys, a simple query, is there a way to list on the terminal in the descending order of when a document was modified/accessed?
[08:48] <blued> ls -lt
[08:48] <blued> or ls -lrt depending on what order you want
[08:50] <shirish> blued: thanx
[08:52] <jscinoz> oh my god
[08:52] <jscinoz> my affection for the devs just grew a shittonne
[08:53] <jscinoz> new kernel not only made alsa work, but lets me control the two headphone and a mic jack independantly on my laptop
[08:53] <jscinoz> so i can have 3 mics, or 3 headphone, or multiple channels for surround, or 2 headphone and a mic or whatever
[08:53] <jscinoz> <3
[08:54] <jscinoz> words cannot describe how happy i am :)
[08:55] <jscinoz> only thing that's still broken is compiz but i dont need that
[08:56] <jscinoz> two things i need to test... video output via hdmi, and audio output via hdmi
[08:56] <jscinoz> But i dont have a HDMI cable so... :(
[09:03] <jscinoz> Anyways...
[09:04] <jscinoz> This channel is deader than a Kiwi at an rugby game...
[09:04] <shirish> jscinoz: weekend, what you can expect ;)
[09:05] <alex_mayorga> actually I would like to start bugging,
[09:05] <shirish> btw has anybody seen that the new one does debugging or not?
[09:05] <alex_mayorga> I've finally made my wireless card work on Gutsy at Bug 92088
[09:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92088 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "this does not work with dell 1390" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92088
[09:06] <alex_mayorga> but now I'm facing a seemingly error on nm-applet 0.6.5
[09:06] <alex_mayorga> can somebody help me trace it and report it if it turns out to be a bug?
[09:07] <shirish> alex_mayorga: no wireless stuff here, sorry :(
[09:08] <alex_mayorga> shirish, np
[09:09] <alex_mayorga> I file the bug to gnome directly and see if they confirm it
[09:10] <alex_mayorga> Tribe 6 =  2.6.22-11 ??
[09:10] <shirish> alex_mayorga: it would be nice to bug people in the channel around 7 hrs. or more
[09:10] <shirish> alex_mayorga: afaik tribe 6 is no mroe
[09:10] <shirish> more
[09:10] <shirish> !!!http://tinyurl.com/3ytk9g | ubotu alex_mayorga
[09:11] <shirish> oops sorry
[09:11] <alex_mayorga> so how do I tag the bugs I still see on a fully updated Gutsy as of today?
[09:12] <shirish> alex_mayorga: comment on them, I dunno about tagging, if something got updated & the issue is still there after the component update, atleast that's what I do.
[09:14] <alex_mayorga> I'll give them a look
[09:16] <alex_mayorga> shirish, do you still see duplicated Documents and Desktop under Places menu?
[09:17] <shirish> alex_mayorga: I see two different Documents & Recent Documents
[09:17] <shirish> alex_mayorga: Desktop is one entry only
[09:17] <alex_mayorga> Bug #122602
[09:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122602 in gnome-panel "Duplicated entries in Places Menu" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122602
[09:18] <alex_mayorga> I still see http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8525567/Screenshot.png
[09:18] <jscinoz> I dont know what component its in but the new behaviour on a broken X server = +1 for user-friendliness
[09:18] <jscinoz> beats the red white and blue screen of death
[09:20] <shirish> jscinoz: you mean bulletproofx I suppose ;)
[09:20] <alex_mayorga> I'll reboot and see how bulletproof is it
[09:20] <shirish> jscinoz: that's a ubuntu thing
[09:21] <shirish> ubuntu-specific thing
[09:21] <alex_mayorga> in the meantime, see if you might have input for Bug #134827
[09:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134827 in xorg-server "[tribe 5]  xorg  1:7.2-5ubuntu7 broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134827
[09:21] <jscinoz> yeah, what i mean was i wasnt sure what package that new behaviour was in.
[09:21] <jscinoz> gdm?
[09:22] <shirish> jscinoz: there is a spec. and implementation of it on the wiki, search for bulletproofx
[09:22] <shirish> and the
[09:22] <jscinoz> alrighty
[09:22] <shirish> alex_mayorga: atm I am also very happy as the new kernel seems to be able to debug lemme get the things written down & then look this up :)
[09:23] <chris__> what's the name of the meta package pointing to the devel stuff?
[09:25] <jscinoz> pity bulletproofX is no good for KDE users yet :(
[09:25] <jscinoz> KDM*
[09:25] <shirish> jscinoz: its not good for Xfce users also atm, just with ubuntu it plays fine, it seems
[09:26] <shirish> jscinoz: but also somethings are not flicked open, some issues are remaining/under progress
[09:26] <spowers> what does it hook into, GDM?
[09:26] <alex_mayorga> let me change my video to the open driver, reboot and see what happens
[09:26] <shirish> spowers: IIRC then yes, GDM
[09:26] <jscinoz> yep GDM
[09:26] <spowers> 'cause i run xfce from gdm
[09:26] <jscinoz> if you still use GDM it should work regardless of desktop environment
[09:26] <shirish> spowers: yup, but there are issues, I filed a bug for it
[09:26] <alex_mayorga> how do I check for the "bulletproof" package?
[09:26] <jscinoz> i think
[09:27] <jscinoz> its not its own package
[09:27] <shirish> alex_mayorga: it should be installed by default
[09:27] <spowers> i imagine there are issues possibly around the graphical multi-user stuff
[09:27] <jscinoz> its a recent upgrade to displayconfig and gdm
[09:27] <jscinoz> if your packages are up to date, you have it
[09:27] <alex_mayorga> OK, rebooting then
[09:27] <spowers> where it cranks up a new gdm or something
[09:27] <shirish> alex_mayorga: see if you have displayconfig-gtk , if its there & updated/upgraded then its there.
[09:27] <alex_mayorga> OK
[09:27] <spowers> really excited about hotplug
[09:27] <spowers> er
[09:27] <spowers> display hotplug
[09:28] <shirish>  0.2+20070905
[09:28] <shirish> spowers: I know what you mean ;)
[09:28] <spowers> i use my laptop as a desktop plugging in the extra VGA thing
[09:28] <shirish> actually that's what xorg 7.3 goodiness is supposed to bring in :)
[09:28] <spowers> i'm worried tho
[09:29] <spowers> i hear the xorg 7.3 release only has randr 1.2
[09:29] <spowers> which means input hotplugging, but not output hotplugging?
[09:29] <spowers> i was going to install gutsy tonight and try to compile it from cvs to find out
[09:29] <spowers> but i lost my external cdrom's power supply :(
[09:29] <shirish> spowers: I read a bit & from whatever I have understood, bryce has been backporting stuff from 7.3 to 7.2 here
[09:29] <alex_mayorga> shirish, thats the version I've got, letme disable the restricted driver and reboot
[09:29] <spowers> actually drove all the way to work to grab the cdrom and power thing and grabbed the wrong brick
[09:30] <shirish> alex_mayorga: there's a switch/ that you need to do something if you wanna examine it completely, see for the wiki discussion on it, it has all the details as well as the forum. Don't remember it atm.
[09:31] <spowers> i'm wondering if there's a d-i build floating around out there that can install gutsy from a usb key or something like that.  i guess i'll just wait though
[09:31] <spowers> it looks like bryce is doing some great work on x infrastructure
[09:31] <erich_> hi folks, I'm testing kubuntu and had some weird network problems just after installing. The if was up but I didn't get any IP address from my dhcp server. I just had to do ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0 and everything was working right
[09:31] <erich_> is this a known issue?
[09:31] <shirish> spowers: yup, he truly is :)
[09:32] <shirish> guys can somebody confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/74691 I think its now working right
[09:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 74691 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Unable to debug under 2.6.22 on i386: Failed to read a valid object file image from memory" [Critical,Confirmed] 
[09:33] <alex_mayorga> how do I confirm?
[09:33] <shirish> alex_mayorga: seems you haven't upgraded x.org yet, there has been an update to it
[09:33] <alex_mayorga> ;-)
[09:34] <shirish> alex_mayorga: do what I did , the last comment, I have added what needs to be run in the attachment.
[09:34] <alex_mayorga> you mean from my bug report
[09:34] <shirish> alex_mayorga: did you update/upgrade to x.org 1:7.2-5ubuntu9
[09:34] <shirish> alex_mayorga: yup
[09:34] <alex_mayorga> I now have 1:7.2-5ubuntu9
[09:35] <shirish> and still you have the same issue?
[09:35] <shirish> if yes, then please update the bug-report accordingly.
[09:35] <alex_mayorga> I need to reboot, but the channel just got interesting :D
[09:37] <alex_mayorga> I tried, to run 300, but I got (no debugging symbols found) I guess I'm missing the symbols package
[09:37] <shirish> alex_mayorga: oh that's martin pitt's repository that you need to add for debugging
[09:37] <shirish> !debug
[09:37] <ubotu> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[09:38] <shirish> alex_mayorga: look up the the link
[09:38] <shirish> !bulletproof
[09:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bulletproof - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <shirish> !bulletproofx
[09:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bulletproofx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <shirish> !botsnack
[09:38] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[09:38] <shirish> he needed it.
[09:38] <alex_mayorga> :D
[09:39] <alex_mayorga> I actually have a couple bogus ACPI lines on dmesg
[09:39] <alex_mayorga> let me try debug that
[09:40] <shirish> alex_mayorga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX
[09:41] <shirish> alex_mayorga: it seems kubuntu would be supported in gutsy+1
[09:42] <shirish> better checkout all the other links too, its getting really interesting, that whole bit :)
[09:42] <shirish> also http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/ is cool :P
[09:43] <alex_mayorga> I use plain vanilla ubuntu
[09:43] <shirish> alex_mayorga: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3248403#post3248403 the testing thread :)
[09:45] <shirish> alex_mayorga: also if you want to use the latest updates to x.org http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/xorg-server/README
[09:47] <alex_mayorga> :)
[09:48] <shirish> I know its the same here, always ;)
[09:49] <shirish> the kind of speed these guys work with, its fascinating while at the same one can be easily broken down by info. overload.
[09:49] <DanaG> Wow, I just had severe breakage of dhclient.
[09:50] <DanaG> It got deconfigured, and then my system hard locked for some unknown reason.
[09:50] <DanaG> At the next time of trying to run dhclient, I'd get a DHCPACK, and then a bunch of these:  (line breaks removed)
[09:51] <DanaG> SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied    SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied    SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied    SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied    SIOCSIFNETMASK: Permission denied    SIOCSIFBRDADDR: Permission denied    SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission denied    SIOCADDRT: Operation not permitted
[09:51] <DanaG> Luckily, the packages had already been downloaded, so the dpkg-configure -a fixed it.
[09:52] <DanaG> I still wonder why my system froze, though... something about playing MIDI on my emu10k1.
[09:53] <DanaG> I also can't figure out how to load a .bnk file into Timidity.
[09:57] <alex_mayorga> shirish, can you please dumb down things for me and tell in "monkey style" how do I tun the bulletproofness on?
[09:57] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: if you need things dumbed down, then it might not be a good idea to turn it on
[09:58] <shirish> alex_mayorga: ok lemme see if I can find the whole procedure again, I haven't had to use it hence its locked away somewhere else ;)
[09:58] <alex_mayorga> good point
[09:58] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: its still in testing, and if it fails, you'll need to resort to unix-foo to recover
[09:58] <pwnguin> last i tried, it kept getting reset every second
[09:58] <pwnguin> i think they fixed that
[09:58] <shirish> alex_mayorga: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3299751 maybe
[09:59] <alex_mayorga> I can do a xorg reconfigure in the comand lin
[09:59] <shirish> uh oh, its not in that thread.
[09:59] <alex_mayorga> I know my way around, it's just that from what I've read I couldn't tell how to turn it on
[10:00] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: theres a script to turn it on
[10:00] <pwnguin> its not as clear how to turn it off though ;)
[10:00] <DanaG> Top causes for wakeups:
[10:00] <DanaG>   88.9% (1023.6)       <interrupt> : rtc
[10:01] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, can you pass a link, howto along?
[10:02] <shirish> alex_mayorga: the problem is there is still a patch which you need from bzr in displayconfig-gtk which has been committed but not released yet so its not ready yet.
[10:02] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: /etc/gdm/failSafeInstall
[10:03] <alex_mayorga> shirish, so I'd have to compile it myself?
[10:03] <shirish> alex_mayorga: seems to be, atleast from what's written, the bug is about 2 weeks old & its still at a fix commited stage
[10:06] <shirish> alex_mayorga: the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/131717
[10:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131717 in displayconfig-gtk "Failsafe mode" [High,Fix committed] 
[10:10] <shirish> ok me out for the moment
[10:17] <alex_mayorga> I'm back, I've still to resort to Failsafe GNOME when not using the restricted driver
[10:17] <alex_mayorga> Bug 134827
[10:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134827 in xorg-server "[tribe 5]  xorg  1:7.2-5ubuntu7 broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134827
[10:18] <Marlun> I'm trying to get my wlan to work with wpa2 protection but as soons as I activate it I'm not able to get any DHCPOFFERS, any idea what I could be doing wrong? (I've checked that I'm using the same passphrase).
[10:18] <alex_mayorga> is that really a x.org issue or a gnome-desktop one?
[10:20] <Ahadiel> Night guys.
[10:21] <DanaG> Hmm, with WPA2, there are two encryption options: TKIP and AES.
[10:21] <alex_mayorga> who should I assign the bug to?
[10:21] <DanaG> I seem to remember that one worked better than the other.  I just don't remember which it was.
[10:22] <alex_mayorga> TKIP used to work for me, but I'm not expert
[10:22] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, do you have wireless knowledge?
[10:23] <alex_mayorga> I've just got my broadcom chip to work, but I'm seeing a funny error when attaching to my wireless router
[10:23] <Marlun> How do I choose one from the other? All I've done is gone into Network and wriresless properties and choosen WPA2 and added the passphrase, I don't see where I can choose between encryptions?
[10:24] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm using ndiswrapper, since I had bcm43xx crapping out -- requiring driver reload -- even on open wireless.
[10:24] <alex_mayorga> DanaG what card you've got?
[10:24] <DanaG> BCM4306, Cardbus.
[10:24] <alex_mayorga> I guess there's no other way than ndsiwrapper for me either
[10:25] <DanaG> Using driver from HP:  "SP33008A"
[10:26] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, maybe my comment on bug 92088 might help if you feel like using bcm43xx
[10:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92088 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "this does not work with dell 1390" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92088
[10:27] <Marlun> But where do I change from one encryption to the other in wpa2?
[10:27] <DanaG> Oh, it's when you initially connect with network-manager.
[10:27] <DanaG> If you want to reset the preferences, go to gconf-editor, and clear stuff here:  (/me digs up the path)
[10:28] <DanaG> /system/networking/wireless/networks/
[10:28] <DanaG> Though if you haven't successfully connected yet, you might not have to do that.
[10:30] <Marlun> I've connected when not using any protection, but with wpa2 I get no dhcpoffers.
[10:31] <Marlun> I don't have that path in my gconf-editor.
[10:31] <alex_mayorga> me neither
[10:31] <Marlun> no "networking" under "System"
[10:31] <alex_mayorga> in my case the the nm-applet shows my network, but iwlist scan somethimes doesn't
[10:34] <DanaG> Hmm.
[10:35] <DanaG> I don't know how to help, then.
[10:35] <DanaG> I had just given up on bcm43xx and switched to ndiswrapper.
[10:35] <Marlun> nm-applet doesn't show anything for me, Just "Enable Networking" which is marked and then "Connection Information" which is greyed out.
[10:36] <DanaG> Odd.
[10:36] <hylje> Marlun: your networking is disabled
[10:37] <hylje> there is a problem if you can't enable it though
[10:37] <DanaG> If "Enable Wireless" isn't there, then the wireless interface is not being seen.
[10:37] <hylje> no
[10:37] <Marlun> But if I turn wpa2 off everything works but I don't think it shows up in the nm-applet.
[10:37] <hylje> you need to enable networking before you can do that
[10:38] <Marlun> But I've eneabled it in the "network" dialog and as I said it works without any protection.
[10:49] <kingrayray> hey what is the name of that dock app for gnome that works with compiz.. its kinda mac-ish I can't remember :x
[10:49] <pwnguin> kiba?
[10:49] <kingrayray> nah..
[10:50] <kingrayray> I think it started with an A, I feel like an idiot rofl
[10:51] <jscinoz> Avant Window Navigator
[10:51] <kingrayray> that one!!
[10:51] <kingrayray> yay
[10:51] <kingrayray> thank you jscinoz :D
[10:51] <jscinoz> :)
[10:51] <kingrayray> is it any good?
[10:52] <jscinoz> yes
[10:52] <jscinoz> IMO best dock type app
[10:52] <kingrayray> sweet :D
[10:52] <kingrayray> is there anywhere I can grab a package or should I just build it myself?
[10:52] <jscinoz> yeah theresa repo with it
[10:52] <jscinoz> hang on
[10:52] <kingrayray> excellent
[10:53] <jscinoz> you know how to add a GPG key right?
[10:53] <kingrayray> sure
[10:53] <jscinoz> http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/8434D43A.gpg
[10:53] <jscinoz> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42 gutsy all
[10:53] <jscinoz> deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42 gutsy all
[10:54] <jscinoz> i'm sure you know what to do with those three lines :)
[10:54] <kingrayray> yep
[10:54] <kingrayray> thanks buddy
[10:54] <kingrayray> :)
[10:54] <jscinoz> np
[10:55] <AnRkey> Avant Window Navigator does what exactly?
[10:55] <jscinoz> Now who wants to help me fix my eclipse, it keeps crashing with the error seen here http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6210/eclipsecrashbc1.png
[10:55] <jscinoz> its a Dock
[10:55] <jscinoz> like Kiba-Dock
[10:55] <kingrayray> kiba drives me nuts.. if I wanted physics I'd play half life 2
[10:55] <kingrayray> lol
[10:55] <AnRkey> just googled it
[10:55] <kingrayray> its a bit much, yanno? :P
[10:55] <AnRkey> soz very lazy 2day
[10:55] <AnRkey> nice
[10:56] <kingrayray> hehe
[10:56] <jscinoz> Avant is much nicer IMO
[10:58] <alex_mayorg1> jscinoz, what you get when you try to run the command line in the error on a terminal?
[10:58] <jscinoz> give me a few minutes, it crashes at random
[10:58] <kingrayray> yeah! :D avant is great.
[10:59] <ziroday> Is there a compiz fusion settings program?
[10:59] <alex_mayorg1> jscinoz, I'd asume the aclipse package is the good old IDE right?
[10:59] <jscinoz> yep
[10:59] <jscinoz> eclipse*
[11:00] <alex_mayorg1> so what do I aptitude install??
[11:00] <alex_mayorg1> just eclipse?
[11:00] <jscinoz> i think so
[11:00] <jscinoz> altough theres probably others
[11:01] <DanaG> gxine: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:01] <DanaG> !find libmozjs.so
[11:01] <jscinoz> alex_mayorg1, heres the terminal output when it crashes http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36860/
[11:01] <ubotu> File libmozjs.so found in firefox, firefox-dbg, firefox-granparadiso, iceape-browser, iceape-dbg (and 6 others)
[11:01] <DanaG> Why can't it find it?
[11:02] <alex_mayorga> do you have hs_err_pid31259.log ?
[11:03] <jscinoz> yeah here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/91/
[11:03] <alex_mayorga> looks like the JRE crashed badly
[11:04] <snadge> can someone explain to me how debian/ubuntu packages are built for 486 architecture.. but optimised for p4?
[11:04] <jscinoz> no shit, but why?
[11:05] <alex_mayorga> dunno, file the bug as the error advise, they usually pick it up, that or try to work wih the folks doing the OS version of Java
[11:06] <alex_mayorga> I see those at work every now and then :(
[11:06] <DanaG> Any idea about my missing library?
[11:08] <DanaG> I had to symlink it.
[11:12] <jscinoz> apparently its fixed in eclipse 3.3 but thats not available in the ubuntu repos and i'd rather not do a manual install
[11:13] <alex_mayorga> file the bug in any case so they update the package someday
[11:13] <alex_mayorga> that or try the netbeans5.5 it works just fine
[11:14] <jscinoz> i like eclipse
[11:14] <alex_mayorga> fair enough
[11:16] <alex_mayorga> jscinoz, you're into Java programing?
[11:16] <jscinoz> yeah but only new at it
[11:17] <alex_mayorga> me too, I was wondering if there's an Apache Commons and the like deb repositories
[11:18] <mendred> hi does the kbfx package in gutsy
[11:18] <mendred> oops
[11:18] <mendred> hi is the kbfx package in gutsy compiled with strigi support?
[11:19] <jscinoz> woo
[11:19] <jscinoz> i finalyl got my damn trayicon working
[11:25] <alex_mayorga> how to pot a debian package to ubuntu?
[11:25] <alex_mayorga> s/pot/port
[11:25] <Amaranth> alex_mayorga: just rebuild it, see if it works
[11:30] <alex_mayorga> Amaranth, is there a howto somewhere?
[11:30] <Amaranth> alex_mayorga: not really
[11:31] <kingrayray> this is why ubuntu is hot: http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot.png
[11:31] <kingrayray> :)
[11:32] <alex_mayorga> w00t
[11:43] <jscinoz> whered you get that pidgin skin?
[11:43] <jscinoz> i want it!
[11:43] <kingrayray> what do you mean?
[11:43] <kingrayray> that's just my gtk theme
[11:44] <jscinoz> URL for that?
[11:44] <kingrayray> let me dig it up
[11:44] <jscinoz> did the GTK theme change the position of the tabs or was that something else?
[11:45] <kingrayray> that's all in the pidgin preferences
[11:45] <kingrayray> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/MurrinaMire+v2+themepack?content=51023
[11:45] <jscinoz> Hey alex_mayorga, you know a bit of java right? is setIconAutoSize(true); supposed to resize width a well as height?
[11:45] <jscinoz> cheers
[11:45] <jscinoz> tough choice between that and HK
[11:46] <kingrayray> I've already changed my gtk theme since I took that shot
[11:46] <jscinoz> what is it now?
[11:46] <kingrayray> it's called...
[11:46] <kingrayray> Murrina-BluProfondo
[11:46] <kingrayray> another dark one, I can take another shot
[11:47] <jscinoz> nah ill just search it
[11:47] <jscinoz> :)
[11:48] <jscinoz> o noes
[11:48] <jscinoz> it retuned no results on gnome-look
[11:48] <jscinoz> wait i got it
[11:48] <kingrayray> hold on
[11:48] <jscinoz> change the - to a space
[11:48] <khermans_> Will Hardy be first available for dist-upgrade on 10/25, or will it be sooner for us bleeding edge folk ?
[11:48] <jscinoz> Gutsy*
[11:48] <jscinoz> ?
[11:48] <jscinoz> oh wait
[11:48] <jscinoz> *bangs head on wall*
[11:49] <kingrayray> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Murrina+BluProfondo?content=61057
[11:49] <jscinoz> yay for pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha
[11:49] <jscinoz> cheers kingray
[11:49] <jscinoz> whats planned in hardy?
[11:49] <jscinoz> aside from the fact its an LTS
[11:49] <kingrayray> http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot2.png :-)
[11:50] <jscinoz> *needs new pants*
[11:50] <jscinoz> what kind of monitor are you using?
[11:51] <jscinoz> 30"?
[11:51] <kingrayray> lmao no, 19"
[11:51] <kingrayray> 1600x1200
[11:51] <kingrayray> some old trinitron
[11:51] <jscinoz> :P
[11:51] <jscinoz> I'm getting a 30" for my new compy
[11:51] <kingrayray> my next is gonna be a 22" wide
[11:51] <khermans_> So is hardy in the repos yet ... lol -> i tried #ubuntu+2 !
[11:51] <jscinoz> I made the cash for the 30" + new compy off secondlife :P
[11:52] <kingrayray> HAHA seriously?
[11:52] <jscinoz> yesh!
[11:52] <kingrayray> wtf do you do in SL?
[11:52] <HyperCity> does anyone know where are stored settings for the desklets? i can't find any .desklets folder in my home
[11:52] <jscinoz> few things
[11:52] <kingrayray> 2.6.22 .. I remember when 2.6 came out
[11:52] <kingrayray> the kernel, that is
[11:53] <jscinoz> I have a main guy who scripts + builds and sells the stuff. I have a legion (more than 100) of alts that camp the various "xmoney per ytime" spots, and i have a female char that works as a sex slave :P
[11:53] <kingrayray> hahaha
[11:53] <jscinoz> youd be suprise how many clients you can run at once when you turn of the graphics
[11:53] <jscinoz> instead of normally controling alts i use my ninja scripts :P
[11:53] <kingrayray> you should make me some money.
[11:53] <kingrayray> lol
[11:53] <jscinoz> :P
[11:53] <jscinoz> pity i cant do it anyomre
[11:53] <jscinoz> i made the scripts back on winblows
[11:53] <jscinoz> in VB >_<
[11:53] <kingrayray> eww
[11:54] <jscinoz> exactly
[11:54] <jscinoz> and i dont have time at the moment to redo them in perl/python/whatever
[11:54] <jscinoz> although if i redo them i might go with java
[11:54] <hylje> java's somewhat eww too. try python
[11:54] <jscinoz> if i can figure out how to send keyboard events from java (dont think you can)
[11:54] <jscinoz> hmm
[11:55] <jscinoz> maybe, anyways thats a long way off, i have exams in 4 weeks, then two weeks after than, out-of-school assesments, then two weeks on camp, and after all that i'll probably have time to code
[11:55] <jscinoz> only thing im coding now is a keyboard macro in java for school :)
[11:56] <jscinoz> which i cant get to work >_<
[11:56] <jscinoz> oh well
[11:56] <jscinoz> im going to stop spamming now
[11:56] <kingrayray> lol
[11:56] <hylje> amusing, isn't it?
[11:56] <kingrayray> it passes time during updates
[11:57] <blued> bah.. I never got compiz working quite right.  windows wouldn't wobble, but my system slowed down cause of all the 3d overhead.. I had to turn it off :)
[11:58] <jscinoz> Compiz hates me. when i exit it or run something else 3d at the same time my system hangs
[11:58] <kingrayray> mine cooperates quite nicely
[11:58] <jscinoz> and not even a ctrl-alt-bksp saves me
[11:58] <kingrayray> I play wow with compiz running
[11:58] <jscinoz> have to resort to the magical sysrq!
[11:58] <jscinoz> i gotta wipeout my vista partition soon
[11:58] <Amaranth> jscinoz: nvidia?
[11:58] <jscinoz> yep
[11:59] <Amaranth> jscinoz: use the nvidia-glx driver, not nvidia-glx-new
[11:59] <jscinoz> never gonna use vista again, it came with my laptop >_<
[11:59] <jscinoz> 9755?
[11:59] <Amaranth> nvidia-glx is 9631
[11:59] <Amaranth> nvidia-glx-new is 100.14.11
[11:59] <jscinoz> hmm
[11:59] <jscinoz> what about 9755?
[11:59] <Amaranth> which is a little messed up, first releases in a new series always do that
[11:59] <jscinoz> i still have the binary package of it around
[11:59] <Amaranth> you can't get 9755 from the package manager
[11:59] <jscinoz> i never install nvidia-glx from that
[11:59] <jscinoz> it hates me
[12:00] <jscinoz> never managed to get X to start with the drivers from synaptic
[12:00] <jscinoz> be right back going to stop X, install 9755 and see what happens
[12:00] <jscinoz> id guess 90% chance it breaks X >_<
[12:00] <jscinoz> here i go
[12:12] <jscinoz> yay x is broken
[12:12] <jscinoz> one thing i hate about bulletproof X is you cant see the output of why X is failing
[12:12] <Amaranth> sure you can
[12:12] <hylje> xorg.1.log
[12:12] <Amaranth> the log still exists
[12:12] <jscinoz> have to use startx instead of /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:12] <jscinoz> oh
[12:12] <jscinoz> :P
[12:13] <jscinoz> im used to having it automatically on screen
[12:13] <jscinoz> never gotten this error before
[12:13] <jscinoz> "failed to load module "glx" (doesnt exist)" same thing for module "nvidia"
[12:13] <jscinoz> any ideas?
[12:13] <jscinoz> the driver is installed.
[12:15] <alex_mayorga> why when installing build-essentials on Gutsy, it asks for a CD? I netinstalled :(
[12:15] <jscinoz> also i found a bug in bulletproof X on my system, when in failsafemode the screen is divided into four quaters and what would normally be the top left is now the bottom right quater
[12:15] <jscinoz> alex just open up /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the CD lines
[12:15] <jscinoz> it happened for me too
[12:16] <alex_mayorga> thanks
[12:16] <jscinoz> :P
[12:16] <jscinoz> anyone know why i cant start X with driver version 9755?
[12:17] <alex_mayorga> jscinoz, is that a bug?
[12:17] <jscinoz> probably
[12:17] <jscinoz> holy hell
[12:17] <jscinoz> never "cat /var/lib/nvidia/108"
[12:17] <jscinoz> screwed up the keymap on tty1
[12:19] <hylje> catting (u)random tends to do that too
[12:19] <DanaG> You know what's really fun?
[12:19] <DanaG> Catting partitions to /dev/dsp
[12:20] <DanaG> Different filesystems sound different, so you can play, "Name That File System!"
[12:20] <jscinoz> you know what
[12:20] <jscinoz> im going to do that now
[12:20] <jscinoz> :P
[12:20] <DanaG> Just turn down volume first.
[12:20] <hylje> this great fun brought to you by Unix-like Systems
[12:20] <jscinoz> i hear nothing
[12:21] <hylje> turn up volume
[12:21] <jscinoz> oh wait
[12:21] <jscinoz> rofl
[12:21] <jscinoz> swap sounds like fun
[12:21] <jscinoz> ext3 sounds ok actually
[12:21] <jscinoz> its got agood beat to it :P
[12:21] <hylje> lol what
[12:21] <jscinoz> ntfs soudns like fail :P
[12:21] <DanaG> Fat16 is odd.
[12:22] <DanaG> Sounds like a tortured modem.
[12:22] <jscinoz> ntfs sounds like fail because its windows :P
[12:22] <jscinoz> what happens if cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp?
[12:22] <jscinoz> inf loop?
[12:22] <jscinoz> aww nothing
[12:22] <DanaG> No, just loops input to output.
[12:23] <DanaG> This falls under the category of "laughing so hard, it's hard to breathe"
[12:23] <jscinoz> rofl
[12:23] <jscinoz> i dare someone to cat /dev/null > /dev/sda1 :P
[12:23] <DanaG> EOF.
[12:23] <jscinoz> :P
[12:23] <jscinoz> anyways..
[12:23] <jscinoz> :P
[12:24] <DanaG> It's via -- old IDE subsystem.
[12:24] <jscinoz> i wonder why X doesnt work with nvidia 9755 driver, it says it cant find modules "glx" and "nvidia" (i can "sudo modprobe nvidia" just fine though)
[12:24] <DanaG> On my nice Core Duo laptop, it is there, though.  That one uses AHCI.
[12:25] <jscinoz> would it uber-break your system if you "cat /dev/null > /dev/rootpartionhere"?
[12:25] <DanaG> Try 'cat /dev/null' and you'll see it returns nothing.
[12:25] <DanaG> Same with dd.
[12:25] <jscinoz> doh
[12:25] <jscinoz> anyways any idea about my X problem?
[12:26] <DanaG> Nice, ext3 is a metronome.
[12:27] <jscinoz> fat32 is really highpitched
[12:27] <jscinoz> and my dog is officialy have a seizure now
[12:27] <jscinoz> >_<
[12:27] <jscinoz> having*
[12:28] <jscinoz> whats the device that is just plain old /dev/sda without a partition number?
[12:28] <DanaG> tick tick tick tick tick.
[12:28] <jscinoz> :P
[12:28] <DanaG> That's all my ext3 is.
[12:28] <DanaG> Except for the beginning.
[12:28] <jscinoz> "Whats that mysterious ticking noise? Its kind of catchy..."
[12:28] <jscinoz> see that on youtube?
[12:29] <DanaG> Here's a funny idea: cat (a random text file) -> /dev/dsp (using card with spdif out) -> another card with spdif in, at same bit rate -> cat /dev/dsp
[12:29] <jscinoz> i catted the nvidia driver to /dev/dsp :P
[12:30] <jscinoz> i dont have that stuff, what would happen though?
[12:31] <jscinoz> would it make your brain implode?
[12:32] <jscinoz> brb rebooting
[12:32] <hylje> it would transfer the text file through spdif
[12:33] <hylje> you can do funny stuff like this with a oscilloscope
[12:33] <hylje> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eNjUgaB-g
[12:33] <DanaG> Would it be accurate, though?
[12:33] <hylje> given quality i/o, quite accurate
[12:35] <DanaG> Sweet.
[12:35] <DanaG> Oh, and good drivers, too.
[12:36] <DanaG> Needs a sample of the signal driving the scope...
[12:37] <DanaG> Oh, the music is driving it?  Is that true?
[12:37] <hylje> theres a different music track for the scope and the audible music
[12:37] <DanaG> Aah.
[12:38] <hylje> you could of course put both on a multichannel stream
[12:38] <DanaG> Actually, you'd need two to feed the scope, wouldn't you?
[12:38] <hylje> i was talking tracks which have channels inside
[12:39] <DanaG> I meant two channels.
[12:40] <hylje> the scope is fed with a stereo track
[12:41] <hylje> you can read the description of the video and comments too for moar info
[12:41] <DanaG> The EE labs at Cal Poly have these oscilloscopes: Agilent 54621A
[12:42] <DanaG> I'll have to try it on one of those.
[12:43] <DanaG> Just need to get a stereo -> rca and rca->bnc.
[12:43] <DanaG> And if the audio is encoded, it'll lose something.
[12:45] <mendred> hi has anyone created a kbfx package for gutsy with strigi support enabled?
[12:48] <ziroday> Any reason why updates for gutsy are really really slow?
[12:48] <blued> the actual update installation?
[12:49] <ziroday> blued: no just updates through the suod apt-get upgrade command
[12:49] <ziroday> sudo even
[12:49] <ziroday> or the update manager
[12:50] <DanaG>  Okay, the actual driving sound is rather horrid.
[12:50] <blued> I meant, do you mean the speed that they're releasing packages or how fast the update-manager goes.  I suspect it's slow because they have less resources devoted to gutsy than fiesty, since most people aren't using it yet
[12:50] <hylje> DanaG: lossless audio is linked there
[12:50] <DanaG> http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/08/youscope_oscilloscope_dem.html
[12:50] <ziroday> blued: i mean how fast the package updates are downloading from a fresh install
[12:51] <ziroday> blued: could be because im in Singapore and im having to connect to the ubuntu servers in the UK
[12:51] <mrmonday> is it too late to suggest features for gutsy?
[12:51] <blued> yeah, probably slow or overloaded servers :)
[12:51] <ziroday> mrmonday: yeah
[12:51] <ziroday> mrmonday: nothing gets through now not even a new version of firefox
[12:51] <mrmonday> where can I go to suggest features for hardy?
[12:52] <mrmonday> ziroday, I'll compile from source :D
[12:52] <ziroday> mrmonday: idea pool
[12:52] <mrmonday> ;)
[12:52] <mrmonday> ziroday, is that on the wiki somewhere?
[12:52] <ziroday> mrmonday: you can get to it through ubuntu.com
[12:52] <ziroday> but yeah i think so
[12:52] <mrmonday> thanks :)
[12:53] <DanaG> I just haaaaaaave to try that when school starts on the 17th.
[12:53] <mrmonday> anyone want to hear my really simple idea anyway? :P
[12:54] <ziroday> sure
[12:54] <mrmonday> It's this simple: Have a button in synaptic that does the job of apt-get source
[12:55] <ziroday> mrmonday: but would the average user want another button
[12:55] <mrmonday> ziroday, would the average user want to force an older version of a package?
[12:56] <ziroday> mrmonday: na but its better than rpm
[12:57] <mrmonday> you could still hide the option in a menu somewhere, or in the properties box maybe
[12:57] <mrmonday> as I dubt the average user goes in either of them
[12:57] <mrmonday> *doubt
[12:59] <ziroday> mrmonday: yeah prob
[12:59] <ziroday> mrmonday: or in the drop down list thingy in synaptic
[12:59] <mrmonday> yeah
[12:59] <ziroday> mrmonday: you could have the option there
[01:00] <hylje> DanaG: what?
[01:00] <ziroday> how can gusty updates be SOOOO slow
[01:00] <ziroday> this is ridicoulus
[01:01] <DanaG> Servers are hammered.
[01:01] <DanaG> I use mirrors.kernel.org above archive.ubuntu.com in sources.list.
[01:01] <DanaG> For the US, that site is zomg-fast.
[01:01] <DanaG> Especially if on a college network, on internet2.
[01:02] <DanaG> netinstall via 100 megabit ethernet -- sweet.
[01:02] <DanaG> Gigabit ethernet?  Godlike.
[01:03] <ziroday> DanaG: got one in asia around singapore
[01:03] <ziroday> DanaG: like taiwan or jaoan
[01:03] <ziroday> *japan
[01:03] <DanaG> Wait, is that a question?  If so, I don't have an answer.
[01:03] <ziroday> damit
[01:03] <ziroday> im gettin 20B/s
[01:03] <ziroday> and half the time it just drops off
[01:04] <DanaG> It's good to keep both official and mirror around -- that way the mirrors' being a day behind won't affect you.
[01:04] <DanaG> Especially if you wait a day anyway.
[01:04] <ziroday> hmm okay
[01:04] <DanaG> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors
[01:05] <ziroday> DanaG: they for gutsy?
[01:05] <DanaG> The best way to find out is to browse around them.
[01:05] <ziroday> okay
[01:06] <ziroday> DanaG: thanks
[01:06] <DanaG> To do a speed test, just start downloading something like an ISO, and see what speeds you get.  Don't bother finishing the download once you know.
[01:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, you may have to go up a level to find the apt source.
[01:07] <DanaG> You'll want to look for the dir that has a subdir named 'dists'.
[01:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, look at how my sources.list is:   http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/sources.list
[01:08] <DanaG> You'll want the fast-but-sometimes-behind mirror to be above the slower-but-newest official mirror.
[01:09] <ziroday> DanaG: most of them only have the cd :(
[01:10] <DanaG> Go up, with "Parent Directory".
[01:10] <DanaG> Some have "ubuntu-packages" and others have "ubuntu".
[01:10] <ziroday> DanaG: looking
[01:11] <DanaG> Ooh, http://www.zeitnitz.de/Christian/Scope/Scope_en.html
[01:11] <DanaG> "Be aware, that most microphone inputs are only mono." -- not on my laptop!
[01:11] <DanaG> My Core Duo one, I mean.  Stereo microphone jack!
[01:11] <ziroday> gpt one :)
[01:12] <ziroday> japan yes
[01:12] <ziroday> thanks a billion DanaG
[01:13] <DanaG> You're welcome.
[01:13] <DanaG> Plus, now you can help other people with the same issue.
[01:19] <ziroday> DanaG: thats better 144Kb/s
[01:19] <ziroday> DanaG: you are a genius
[01:20] <Amaranth> heh
[01:20] <Amaranth> archive.ubuntu.com is always fast enough for me ;)
[01:21] <DanaG> 4:21 AM, Pacific Time.
[01:21] <DanaG> Kinda
[01:22] <DanaG> Kinda' quite rather late, don'tcha think?
[01:22] <ziroday> yeah DanaG nite
[01:22] <DanaG> Good night -- er, morning -- er, whatever part of the day it is in your time zone.
[01:22] <ziroday> lol
[01:23] <Amaranth> Usage: time [-apvV]  [-f format]  [-o file]  [--append]  [--verbose] 
[01:23] <Amaranth>        [--portability]  [--format=format]  [--output=file]  [--version] 
[01:23] <Amaranth>        [--quiet]  [--help]  command [arg...] 
[01:23] <Amaranth> oops
[01:23] <Amaranth> Sun Sep  9 06:23:25 CDT 2007
[01:25] <ziroday> Amaranth: whats that?
[01:25] <Amaranth> current time here
[01:25] <ziroday> lol
[01:25] <ziroday> @singapore
[01:25] <ziroday> or was it
[01:25] <ziroday> @now singapore
[01:25] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Singapore: September 09 2007, 19:25:58 - Next meeting: Screencast Team in 1 day
[01:31] <penguin42> Hi, can someone with almost working sound tell me what the entry for 'Master' looks like in the output of asound
[01:31] <Amaranth> asound doesn't exist?
[01:32] <penguin42> sorry, amixer
[01:32] <penguin42> for me the first 6 lines are about the 'Master' countol - in particular I'm interested in what the 'Capabilities' line is for Master
[01:33] <Amaranth> that won't help you
[01:33] <penguin42> ?
[01:33] <Amaranth>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined
[01:33] <penguin42> Ah well, that's very different from mine which is just pswitch
[02:09] <turbo> Hi there
[02:09] <turbo> I have a question about gdm (at least I think so)
[02:10] <sn0> hey turbo
[02:11] <turbo> I somehow managed to  change my default login to connection via XDMCP and am thus not able to connect to my normal dektop as non-root.
[02:11] <turbo> I can't find the appropriate lines in gdm.conf to change back to normal loginscreen
[02:11] <sn0> maybe changed it at the gdm login screen turbo ?
[02:12] <turbo> no in a running session under 'groups and users' menu
[02:13] <turbo> Maybe it is because I changed from greeter to chooser (if they are named like this - my system is in german)
[02:13] <sn0> off the top of my head turbo its something like "Enable=true" in gdm.conf, or Enable=1
[02:13] <turbo> but what is that is enabled
[02:13] <turbo> there is a line XDMCP=false
[02:13] <turbo> or similar
[02:13] <sn0> a simple way would be "sudo gdmsetup" and then in the remote tab, there is xdmcp settings
[02:14] <turbo> but I don't have gtk available then
[02:14] <sn0> this is all off the top of my head, so sorry if its wrong :)
[02:14] <turbo> np thanks for your help :)
[02:17] <turbo> I only have access to the recovery mode but don't understand the description in gdm.conf well enough to change back what I changed. Maybe other conf-files are playing a role as well... but it's difficult to find out, I spent 5 hours in the Internet and couldn't find what I was looking for
[02:18] <turbo> at least i could setup a XDMCP connection now but i can't change it back ton normal ... ;)
[02:18] <sn0> turbo how did you enable it first of all? check that gdm.conf doesn't have a backup ~ file
[02:19] <turbo> I'm afraid so I didn't find one
[02:20] <turbo> I enabled it without noticing. I WANTED to change the loginscreen to have a list of users to choose from instead of having to type your name
[02:20] <turbo> greeter -> chooser I think
[02:22] <sn0> im not sure what you want to do turbo , you have no gtk available and thus no gdm? sorry it was a late nite so bear with me
[02:22] <sn0> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/
[02:24] <turbo> Ok: My current login screen in normal boot is a XDMCP-login: I can look for XDMCP computers. I don't have the normal loginscreen anymore it is replaced right now
[02:27] <Frogzoo> how much space needed for a kernel compile plz ?
[02:29] <Yako_s> hello
[02:44] <harmental80> hey guys...how can i change mu login face in kubuntu?
[02:44] <harmental80> "about me" seems not to be working properly
[02:47] <penguin42> Frogzoo: I'd give it about 1.5G
[02:47] <Frogzoo> penguin42: heh, 2.2gig & going strong..
[02:48] <penguin42> hehe; that was from a du of a minimally configured one I had here which is 1.1G
[02:49] <jscinoz> Is there any way to have a usplash for suspend/hibernat without a custom kernel?
[02:57] <jscinoz> .11 makes me happy
[02:57] <jscinoz> fixes alsa on santa-rosa
[02:59] <penguin42> doesn't seem to fix the alsa problems here - sometime in the last few updates it has gone very quiet for me
[03:01] <jscinoz> have you installed the latest kernel?
[03:04] <penguin42> nod; this is an older chipset not the santa-rosa
[03:04] <jscinoz> no idea then sorry >_<
[03:04] <jscinoz> time for a newbie question... how do i install a gtk2.0 theme?
[03:07] <penguin42> jscinoz: There is an 'install' button on the preferences->Appearences dialogue
[03:07] <jscinoz> doh
[03:07] <jscinoz> i win newb award
[03:08] <jscinoz> no good
[03:08] <jscinoz> the theme i have is just a tar.gz with a gtk-2.0 folder
[03:09] <IdleOne> can someone explain to me the reason one might need PGP ?
[03:09] <penguin42> IdleOne: Encryption
[03:10] <IdleOne> think I might need to google and read up
[03:10] <IdleOne> but ty penguin42
[03:16] <Yako_s> hi everyone, i'm having a problem with knetworkmanager
[03:17] <Yako_s> it doesn't seem to interact with my ipw4956 anymore
[03:17] <Yako_s> 3945*
[03:17] <Yako_s> I'm on 7.10 btw
[03:17] <penguin42> Next time I look like I'm even about to try the desktop-effects thing will someone stop me?
[03:20] <IdleOne> so I am generating my fierst openPGP key
[03:20] <IdleOne> first*
[03:20] <IdleOne> think it is time I signed the ubuntu CoC
[03:21] <penguin42> ok - thanks.
[03:21] <IdleOne> oh np
[03:21] <IdleOne> lol
[03:22] <penguin42> It always screws up my multiple workspace setup layout and doesn't put it back when you turn it off - even if you hit the 'don't keep these settings'
[03:23] <Yako_s> i think it was designed for using only 1 desktop, then it adds desktops itself
[03:26] <penguin42> Yako_s: Yeh, unfortunately it doesn't restore it if you turn it back off
[03:27] <Yako_s> yeah, its compiz they use, right?
[03:27] <Yako_s> someone fix knetworkmanager for me
[03:27] <Yako_s> thanks
[03:30] <Vorbote> Yako_s: this is a wild shot, but you could add the module for your card to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and regenrerate the initrd for your kernel (a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure usplash" is more than enough).
[03:31] <Yako_s> that would be ipw3945?
[03:31] <Vorbote> Yes
[03:31] <Yako_s> thanks, let my try that
[03:32] <Vorbote> That way, when you boot the kernel will be able to load up the kernel for your card and make it permanent in memory. That can help
[03:36] <kousotu> how does one go about gettingjava 1.5.x?
[03:37] <kousotu> I tried the java site, nd had no luck
[03:38] <Pici> !java
[03:38] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[03:38] <alex-weej> kousotu: is java6 not good for you?
[03:39] <kousotu> frostwire wants 1.5
[03:40] <kousotu> alex-weej: on windows I have like 6 versions on my pc, different programs demand different versions lol
[03:41] <alex-weej> ok
[03:41] <Vorbote> frostwire will work with whatever provides java5 compatibility or later. If the installer asks for a specific version, that's a bug.
[03:42] <Vorbote> An upstream bug to be precise.
[03:42] <kousotu> Vorbote: ask for 1.5.x
[03:42] <kousotu> asks*
[03:43] <ShackJack> Hi - my desktop effects crashes X out to the GDM screen seemingly at random (XGL/fglrx)... nothing seems to be in logs, tried switching on and plugins with no change... Anyone have any ideas?
[03:45] <IdleOne> how do i decrypt an email from launchpad using FF/gmail?
[03:45] <kousotu> OOPS, your java version is too old [java = 1.4.2-02] 
[03:45] <kousotu> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.5.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[03:46] <Vorbote> kousotu: well, I gtk-gnutella or mutella. Frost/Limewire don't really do nothing better than the previous two as a gnutella1 client. And for bittorrent, ktorrent, transmission and deluge are more than adequate (unless you are into private trackers).
[03:46] <Vorbote> I like...
[03:46] <kousotu> Vorbote: I like to se limewire on windows, and frostwire is an exact linux port of it
[03:47] <kousotu> I'll give gtk-gnutella a try though
[03:47] <Vorbote> That's just an emotional atachement :-) And besides you can run limewire on linux just the same.
[03:47] <Vorbote> Explore alien. I think there is a document in the user wiki.
[03:47] <Vorbote> Let's see...
[03:47] <Vorbote> !alien
[03:47] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[03:48] <Vorbote> Yep, it is dangerous, but life is pain :-P
[03:48] <Pici> kousotu: install java using the instructions in !java
[03:48] <alex-weej> does limewire not run on linux?
[03:48] <Pici> kousotu: then do `sudo update-alternatives --config java`
[03:49] <Pici> IdleOne: Either copy and paste the encypted text to a terminal and use gpg to decrypt it (check the man page, I forget the syntax) or install the FireGPG extension
[03:50] <IdleOne> Pici: cant seem to find the firegpg addon :/
[03:50] <Pici> IdleOne: firegpg.tuxfamily.org/ But its not loading for me right now
[03:50] <IdleOne> ty
[03:55] <kousotu> Pici: thanks
[03:56] <yellowChicken> which channel is for gusty?
[03:56] <Vorbote> This here channel
[03:57] <yellowChicken> i have problem with play asf file (.wmv), so hope gutsy will do the tick
[03:57] <Yako_s> Vorbote:
[03:57] <yellowChicken> mplayer did not help, no sound
[03:57] <Yako_s> [   13.126610]  ipw3945: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation
[03:57] <Yako_s> [   13.126861]  ipw3945: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
[03:57] <Yako_s> [   73.056068]  ipw3945: ipw3945.ucode load failed: Reason -2
[03:57] <Yako_s> [   73.056123]  ipw3945: Could not read microcode: -2
[03:57] <Yako_s> [   73.056265]  ipw3945: probe of 0000:02:00.0 failed with error -2
[03:57] <Yako_s> 
[03:57] <yellowChicken> it appears i only can install totem-xine or totem-gstreamer
[04:01] <aaroncampbell_> How does Eclipse choose what Java it uses?  I installed Sun Java 6, but it says I don't have java
[04:02] <Pici> aaroncampbell_: Do `sudo update-alternatives --config java`
[04:02] <kousotu> Pici: I;m having some issues with frets of fire, and way to fix it?
[04:03] <Pici> kousotu: /me shrugs
[04:03] <kousotu> lol
[04:03] <Pici> Sorry
[04:03] <kousotu> Pici: thought I'd ask
[04:03] <kousotu> Pici: it refuses to even start
[04:03] <Vorbote> Yako_s: Hmm.. You'll have to load the firmware as well (not sure how to do that, I use "free hardware" :-)
[04:03] <Pici> kousotu: try running it from a terminal and seeing what errors it returns
[04:03] <Yako_s> kousotu? microsoft visual c++ error?
[04:04] <Yako_s> heh.
[04:04] <Yako_s> Vorbote, i think that is not really the problem
[04:05] <Yako_s> because after a while (5-10 minutes) knetworkmanager seems to get itself together and it starts using the device
[04:05] <Yako_s> but before that it seems the ipw is living a life of its own
[04:05] <Yako_s> the led is blinking and going static once in a while, just like when it would connect to an AP
[04:05] <Vorbote> Yako_s: I bet it does it on wlan1 or wlan2, not wlan0
[04:06] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem in gutsy that never happened in previous versions of Ubuntu, when I set vga=0x314, I cannot access the virtual console, nor can I see the boot messages (ie. when I remove the splash option), when I switch to X to virtual console I just get messy colors. Is that problem kernel related ?
[04:06] <Yako_s> Vorbote, i have only enabled eth0 and eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:06] <Yako_s> and eth0 is wired
[04:07] <kousotu> Yako_s: on LINUX?
[04:07] <Yako_s> no, lol, thought you meant windows, since my windows version refuses to start as well
[04:07] <aaroncampbell_> Pici: It looked like Sun6 was already chosen, and it made no difference...
[04:08] <kousotu> Yako_s: my window starts fine
[04:08] <kousotu> !paste
[04:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:08] <Vorbote> Yako_s: Aha.... Hmmm. Mysterious. Have a read at your dmesg output, if the chipset is not accepting the microcode at boot but sometime later, that's the place to look for a problem.
[04:09] <AnRkey> is there any reason why mp3 playback is really bad in gutsy? tried it on 2 boxs with different harware now
[04:09] <kousotu> Pici: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36887/
[04:09] <Yako_s> Vorbote, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36888/
[04:10] <kousotu> Yako_s: hah I beat you:)
[04:10] <Pici> kousotu: I'm really not sure what to do about those audio errors, sorry.
[04:10] <AnRkey> congrts
[04:11] <aaroncampbell_> Pici: I found it.  I had to manually add sun java 6 (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun) to /etc/eclipse/java_home ...seems like it should use the system setting.
[04:11] <Yako_s> Vorbote, i am using the ipw to get on irc now, so it works
[04:11] <aaroncampbell_> Or that setting the system setting should re-write that file...
[04:11] <Pici> aaroncampbell_: Yeah, thats weird. I never had to do anything on my install to get it to work.
[04:12] <Yako_s> but the problem is it doesn't want to respond to knetworkmanager for the first 5-10 minutes, it just tries to connect to something itself
[04:12] <Yako_s> *by itself
[04:12] <kousotu> Pici: and way to force them?
[04:12] <Pici> kousotu: Not that I'm aware of.
[04:12] <kousotu> Pici: or should I uninstall the t5 on and install the onefrom tribe 4?
[04:12] <kousotu> Pici: cause tribe 4's worked
[04:12] <kousotu> Pici: lol
[04:13] <Pici> kousotu: I cannot say either way.
[04:13] <Vorbote> Yako_s: You'll have to do some detective work at boot up time. you need to check that there is wlan interface immediately after boot up. The important time period to prod your system logs is before NetworkManager detects the card and trys to connect to the access point.
[04:14] <kousotu> Pici: it will install the onefrom tribe 4, right?
[04:14] <Vorbote> You may want to boot up in recovery mode and watch the startup messages
[04:14] <kousotu> Pici: never tried to do that lol
[04:14] <Pici> kousotu: Thats not really a solution, have you looked for other people with the same bug on LP?
[04:14] <Sergemine> !!Hi Everyone! Just downloaded a daily-live snapshot iso and wanted to set up my printer on it, but the system-config-printer window has almost nothing, Goto Server button active (greyed). Does it work for any one. Worked before? Anyone had to tweak it? Please. @Cause I know my printer is supported by this release, but the printer setup in general DOESN@T WORK!
[04:15] <Vorbote> Hmm... CUPS is broken at the moment. If even locks up my machine at boot time.
[04:15] <Vorbote> I had to disable the daemon to be able to boot up into gutsy.
[04:15] <hab> I just installed Gutsy. I got an app in my tray bar telling me to install the restricted drivers (ATI etc.). Unfortunately, I clicked cancel at that moment, thinking that I would be able to find it later, but I can't find it. It's not in the menus or on the System settings. Kubuntu.
[04:16] <kousotu> Pici: but then again, last time I pasted a bug it was threated on me to be marked immedientlyinvalid because I couldn't pinpoint the problem
[04:17] <Pici> kousotu: Why dont you just look for the bug first w/o adding a new one. And secondly, it wasnt because you couldnt pinpoint the problem, it was becuase you didnt provide enough information.
[04:18] <kousotu> Pici: wel, I proviede what I knew
[04:18] <kousotu> Pici: but let's not et ino that again
[04:18] <kousotu> Pici: I'd rather not, seeing as how I'll be dealing with my grandmother in an hour or so
[04:18] <Yako_s> hab, you have an ati card?
[04:18] <hab> Yako_s: yes.
[04:19] <Pici> kousotu: eh?
[04:19] <kousotu> hab: search synaptic for ati
[04:19] <kousotu> Pici: ?
[04:19] <Pici> kousotu: Pici: I'd rather not, seeing as how I'll be dealing with my grandmother in an hour or so
[04:19] <hab> Well, there is absolutely no way of brinbing back that restricted drivers applet?
[04:19] <hab> That's quite lame.
[04:19] <Yako_s> hab, do a 'sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx'
[04:19] <kousotu> Pici: I'd not like to gt bck into the incident from yesterday thnaks
[04:20] <Pici> kousotu: er, neither would I
[04:20] <hab> Yako_s: Well, I don't have a problem on installing fglrx, I just want that restricted drivers applet back. - Also, that will install the Mesa drivers.
[04:20] <kousotu> Pici: If I getinto afoul mood, I'll take it out on her because she sets me off quite easily
[04:20] <Yako_s> oh.
[04:20] <hab> That = sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx, Yako_s
[04:20] <Pici> hab: System>Administration>Restricted Drivers Manager
[04:20] <hab> Pici: kubuntu
[04:20] <Pici> hab: ah.
[04:20] <Yako_s> hmm, 'That' worked for me
[04:21] <hab> Yako_s: fglrxinfo, gives you Mesa or ATI?
[04:21] <Yako_s> though I used Kubuntu, which doesnt have an applet at all
[04:21] <hab> Gutsy has.
[04:21] <Yako_s> i don't know, i dont have the machine here that has the ati card
[04:22] <hab> I see.
[04:22] <Yako_s> yeah i think that was feisty
[04:22] <hab> FORUM TIEM THEN!
[04:22] <hydrogen> err
[04:22] <hydrogen> use restricted-drivers-kde
[04:22] <hydrogen> then
[04:22] <hydrogen> :)
[04:23] <hydrogen> err
[04:23] <hydrogen> restricted-manager-kde
[04:23] <hab> :O
[04:23] <hab> Awesome, that did it.
[04:23] <Yako_s> why is the console autocomplete broken?
[04:23] <hab> hydrogen: Thanks. Where did you find that, btw?
[04:23] <hab> I mean the command.
[04:23] <Yako_s> it's not broken for executables, but it is for pkill and apt-get
[04:24] <hab> Yako_s: you mean that it doesn't autocomplete the package's name?
[04:24] <Yako_s> nope
[04:24] <Yako_s> or process name
[04:24] <Pici> Yako_s: You're using bash?
[04:24] <Sergemine> Vorbote, thank you. that explains the situation. I am new to Ubuntu-unstable proceedings. But generally I like what I see a lot! The DesktopEffects enabled by default - good. Wouldn't enable them myself, but like them a lot onw. The tracker seems nice. Pidgin is just amaizingly nice&clean. Just right! The dark-grey color of nonresponding/hung windows is a bit discouraging and even frightning!
[04:24] <hab> Well, you had to enable bash-autocompletion in Gentoo to do that Yako_s
[04:24] <Yako_s> yes
[04:25] <hab> Imagine beeing able to autocomplete the shitload of apps that APT has available.
[04:25] <penguin42> Sergemine: Ah well I thnik the important ibt is that programs shouldn't hang!
[04:25] <Yako_s> its broken since i upgraded to gutsy
[04:25] <hab> Yako_s: Aw, you could before? :x
[04:25] <Yako_s> yes I did
[04:25] <kousotu> Pici: how do I rester firefox as def browser?
[04:25] <hab> I suck then :P
[04:25] <Yako_s> *could
[04:25] <Pici> Yako_s: Are you using it under an interactive sudo session?
[04:25] <hab> Well, brb. I want to see if that restricted driver thingie did its thing.
[04:26] <Pici> kousotu: System>Preferences>Preffered Applications
[04:26] <Yako_s> am I a moron if I say that I have absolutely no idea what that means?
[04:26] <Pici> Yako_s: Well, are you logged in as root?
[04:26] <Yako_s> nope
[04:26] <Yako_s> im logged in as my user
[04:27] <Yako_s> and i type
[04:27] <Yako_s> sudo apt-get install xs<Tab>
[04:27] <Yako_s> and nothing happens
[04:27] <hydrogen> hab: its new in gutsy
[04:27] <kousotu> Pici: No projects matching frets were found.
[04:27] <Yako_s> but on feisty, it would list all the packages that started with xs
[04:27] <kousotu> aparently no reports
[04:27] <Pici> Yako_s: It works for me fine here.
[04:28] <Pici> Yako_s: I'd look for / file a bug.
[04:28] <Sergemine> penguin42, I like the concept. kust that I probably expected to see a bit different color theme. that's it. some variation of dark color too, but probably not gray only... but that's really nothing...
[04:28] <hab> Holy crap! It worked! The restricted driver thingie works!
[04:28] <Pici> kousotu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fretsonfire/
[04:29] <Vorbote> Sergemine: (stepped out for a while). Boot into recovery mode and do a "update-irc.d cupsys remove When there is a new version of CUPS, it will reinstall the startup links.
[04:30] <Vorbote> Hmm. Make that "update-rc.d -f cupsys remove"
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> argh! debmirror wiped out my entire mirror of feisty and gutsy!
[04:32] <kousotu> Pici: why does ubuntu keep giving me errors about inprober (or unsafe) removal?
[04:33] <kousotu> Pici: I use o to disconnect my USB connection to my psp
[04:33] <Pici> kousotu: you need to eject/unmount before you remove.
[04:34] <kousotu> Pici: ah... just a read error warning
[04:34] <kousotu> Pici: nothing affected though
[04:34] <claria> hi
[04:34] <hab> hello
[04:34] <claria> i have a problem regarding samba
[04:34] <Pici> kousotu: I've lost all the information on a usb flash drive by not removing properly.
[04:35] <hab> I'm having insane problems configuring my external HD in Gutsy.
[04:35] <claria> i cant create a shared folder within my home folder but there is no problem to create a shared folder within another folder e.g. /media/
[04:35] <hab> When I make it , I'll make a thread in the forums or something.
[04:35] <kousotu> Pici: psp shuts down the connection properly
[04:37] <kousotu> Pici: either way, not gonna argue, I gota get goin
[04:37] <kousotu> Pici: lata
[04:39] <Yako_s> good
[04:39] <Yako_s> kubuntu finally stopped giving me corrupted file systems
[04:39] <kousotu> Yako_s: kubuntu hates you, plain and simple :P
[04:39] <Yako_s> yeah i guess it does :p
[04:40] <kousotu> lmao
[04:41] <Yako_s> it hates running apache, php, beryl, firefox, mysql, asterisk, and kopete at the same time :p
[04:41] <Yako_s> let alone winxp on vmware
[04:44] <kousotu> lol
[04:44] <kousotu> use a seperate partion like I do
[04:44] <penguin42> Yako_s: YOu were getting corrupted filesystems? Erk - that;s unusual - any idea why?
[04:48] <Yako_s> penguin42, no
[04:48] <Yako_s> every other time i would boot up it would complain about orphaned inodes and multiple claimed blocks
[04:49] <Yako_s> but thats over now
[04:49] <Yako_s> fortunately
[04:50] <penguin42> hmm a bit worrying - if you don't know why it has stopped it may well come back!
[04:50] <penguin42> this on ext3 filesystem - what hardware? Does it shutdown OK?
[04:52] <Yako_s> ext3, HP dv1669ea notebook, 100GB harddisk, dunno
[04:53] <Yako_s> sometimes kubuntu didnt shutdown properly
[04:53] <Yako_s> it would hang at the end of the shutdown sequence
[04:53] <Yako_s> on a black/garbled screen
[04:54] <penguin42> Yako_s: If those errors corresponded to after a failed shutdown then it wouldn't be too surprising
[04:54] <Yako_s> and I have absolutely no idea why xserver-xgl defaults to display :1
[04:54] <Yako_s> nope it wouldn't, but i didnt see a clear pattern
[04:54] <Yako_s> it would be at random moments
[04:55] <pooo1> hallo
[04:55] <Yako_s> hallo
[04:55] <pooo1> i want to try xorg 7.3, where i find it?
[04:56] <pooo1> in repository?
[04:56] <Yako_s> x.org
[04:56] <pooo1> Yako_s: in repository testing, there isn't???
[04:56] <Yako_s> not sure
[04:57] <pooo1> and in Gusty tribe 5?
[04:58] <pooo1> Yako_s: ?
[05:00] <Yako_s> pooo1, tribe 5 has 7.2.5
[05:00] <Yako_s> btw, anyone know whats up with KDE4?
[05:00] <pooo1> Yako_s: and if i would update it?
[05:00] <pooo1> i have to compile from source?
[05:01] <Yako_s> I'm not sure, I think so
[05:01] <Yako_s> maybe there are third party repositories
[05:02] <penguin42> Yako_s: I'm not sure they've actually got KDE4 to work stabily yet
[05:02] <effie_jayx> a quick Q... the download for the daily gusty is 701 mb... I have to burn on a DVD right?
[05:02] <penguin42> I think that should fit on a large CD
[05:04] <effie_jayx> cd's say 700 mb :S
[05:05] <effie_jayx> at least the one's I have here...
[05:07] <penguin42> effie_jayx: Is that a MB or a MiB :-)
[05:07] <effie_jayx> ohhh
[05:07] <effie_jayx> shall check
[05:10] <effie_jayx> penguin42,  does not say
[05:10] <effie_jayx> I'll download anyway
[05:16] <JDahl> I have some problems with emacs22 and python-mode.  Does that work for others?
[05:19] <harmental_> hey guys...how can i change mu login face in kubuntu? "about me" seems not to be working properly
[05:20] <penguin42> probably best thing is to figure out why about me isn't working; it is working here (the Gnome version)
[05:24] <harmental_> penguin42: do you any ideas? how can i test that?
[05:25] <penguin42> well when you say it isn't working - what happens?
[05:25] <harmental_> i change my image in about me....
[05:26] <harmental_> but that change is not reflected at the login screen...
[05:26] <penguin42> hmm OK; I haven't actually tried changing it and logging out
[05:26] <harmental_> menu > system settings > about me
[05:26] <harmental_> are you using kde?
[05:26] <penguin42> no, mostly Gnome
[05:27] <harmental_> i was told gnome worked fine...
[05:27] <harmental_> i guess its a kde issue then...
[05:27] <penguin42> Have you bug reported it?
[05:28] <harmental_> not yet
[05:28] <penguin42> probably worth doing so or checking if one is already there
[05:29] <harmental_> after all it is far from being a critical bug....
[05:29] <harmental_> ill dot that...
[05:29] <harmental_> as for reported bugs...i didnt seem to find it to be already reported
[05:30] <penguin42> yeh but enough pesky bugs makes systems just as bad
[05:32] <AnRkey_> When is Ubuntu going to finally add automatic configuration support for mice that have more than 5 buttons like logitech mice?
[05:53] <elkbuntu> AnRkey, when the vendors start providing us with adequate software to include.
[05:53] <AnRkey> elkbuntu, I don't think we need anything more
[05:54] <AnRkey> we can identify them
[05:54] <AnRkey> they work with the evdev drivers
[05:54] <AnRkey> and it's just a bit of config
[05:54] <AnRkey> end users won't do this though as they are scared
[05:54] <elkbuntu> then submit some patches
[05:54] <AnRkey> of the cli that is
[05:55] <AnRkey> elkbuntu, thats just it
[05:55] <AnRkey> patches to what?
[05:55] <AnRkey> there is no gui to begin with
[05:55] <elkbuntu> patches for the config file. whatever changes you make.
[05:56] <AnRkey> i could script it
[05:56] <AnRkey> this should actually happen upstream
[05:57] <elkbuntu> then convince upstream, dont blame ubuntu ;)
[05:57] <AnRkey> elkbuntu, I am not blaming anyone
[05:57] <AnRkey> at least i hope it does not look that way
 When is Ubuntu going to finall
[05:58] <AnRkey> a short while
[05:58] <AnRkey> not enough time to put something like this through alpha, beta and rc
[05:58] <AnRkey> maybe i should make this my first coding project :P
[06:00] <elkbuntu> it'd be welcome, im sure
[06:17] <mdke> hi there. I've just upgraded to gutsy, things look ok except the desktop fonts have turned really small, is that intended/normal?
[06:29] <penguin42> Yeh for working audio!
[06:33] <penguin42> mdke: I've not got font size problem
[06:33] <penguin42> s
[06:34] <mdke> penguin42: ok. everything has turned ridiculously small. I'll try a clean user maybe
[06:35] <scizzo-> this is not really nice.....all the keybindings for focus, resize and so on are screwed in gutsy...
[06:35] <scizzo-> creating a new user just adds it there also
[06:36] <scizzo-> and yes I am running all normally...only thing is the xgl server
[06:36] <scizzo-> hmmm maybe that is messing it up?
[06:36] <Enselic> hello, trackerd runs like crazy, using 100% CPU, anyone know why?
[06:37] <penguin42> mdke: Two questions; one try system->preferences->Appearance and look at the font settings - most o fmine are either 8 or 11 in size; and I've purposely set mine small
[06:37] <penguin42> mdke: also try doing xdpyinfo and look for the 'resolution' line - it's normally somewhere around 100x100 dpi
[06:37] <penguin42> Enselic: It does that after upgrade - it's a bit crazy
[06:38] <Enselic> ah I se
[06:38] <Enselic> e
[06:38] <mdke> penguin42: it's 75x75
[06:38] <penguin42> mdke: That's OK not too mad
[06:38] <Enselic> penguin42: permanently? or does it stop after a hile?
[06:38] <mdke> penguin42: desktop settings are just like they were before upgrade, 9 or 10
[06:38] <Enselic> while*
[06:39] <mdke> penguin42: changing the resolution to 100x100 is much better
[06:42] <mdke> penguin42: thanks
[06:43] <scizzo-> anyone knows if there is a known problem with keybindings that gets weird after upgrade in gutsy?
[06:44] <scizzo-> I mean not even click to focus is not working for me
[06:48] <penguin42> Enselic: It stops I think after it has first indexed your filesystem
[06:48] <penguin42> Enselic: What worries me is when it will start again
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> ATI drivers are causing 100% cpu with my ATI 9700.
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> the ones included in xorg that is.
[07:31] <askand> Anyone having troubles with pcmia cards in gutsy?
[07:47] <askand> Hm..if I find a bug in gutsy..but dont want to install it..how do I know it has been solved?
[07:48] <joumetal> askand Is the bug reported?
[07:48] <hylje> bugtracker
[07:49] <askand> joumetal:  yes
[07:50] <joumetal> when it is solved bug status will be marked fix released in malone.
[07:53] <Dana1> Hmm, when I use bcm43xx, wpa2 is godawful slow.
[07:53] <Dana1> Yet ndiswrapper works fine.
[07:57] <askand> jeromeg: thanks
[08:10] <elmargol> How do I get a nvidia mcp51 working?
[08:11] <AnRkey> exit
[08:11] <AnRkey> haha sorry
[08:13] <d4rkmonkey> !nvidia | elmargol
[08:13] <ubotu> elmargol: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:13] <d4rkmonkey> ?
[08:13] <elmargol> d4rkmonkey: no i mean the network card
[08:13] <d4rkmonkey> elmargol well, I have no idea then, sorry
[08:17] <npurciful> Question is tribe 6 going to be released
[08:17] <hydrogen> read the topic
[08:17] <npurciful> oh missed that
[08:37] <DanaG> Woah, whether with bcm43xx or with ndiswrapper, my wireless connection is quite very slow.
[08:38] <DanaG> Slow, as in dialup speeds.  Even to the router.
[08:38] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I wonder how many people use ndiswrapper with wired ethernet.... (I don't.)
[08:58] <benanz1> now that I've got 2.6.22-11 is it safe to remove 2.6.22-10?
[09:00] <sn0> assuming -11 works fine yes benanz1
[09:00] <benanz1> it seems to function normally.
[09:03] <benanz1> my Templates don't work anymore in the nautilus right-click Create Document menu.  Anyone else have this problem?
[09:05] <sn0> lets see benanz1
[09:05] <sn0> new folder, launcher, file all work here benanz1
[09:06] <benanz1> hmm
[09:06] <sn0> lets see after these 70meg of updates
[09:07] <benanz1> the only thing I can create is a New Folder.  I can't create empty file or any of my Templates.  They just don't appear.
[09:08] <lucasvo> I upgraded to gutsy. this installed compiz and my gnome session looks scrambled
[09:09] <lucasvo> should I remove compiz or should is there a fix?
[09:09] <sn0> lucasvo check the "desktop effects" section in system > admin > and check its not enabled
[09:09] <lucasvo> aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklopdie
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[09:09] <lucasvo> sry
[09:09] <sn0> oh wait, its under appearance now isn't it
[09:09] <lucasvo> sn0: I can't click on appeareance
[09:10] <lucasvo> sn0: panels arent working
[09:10] <sn0> yep its system > preferences > appearance then desktop effects
[09:10] <sn0> alright lucasvo so your gui is all messed up, were you using fglrx or nvidia-glx prior to the upgrading to gutsy?
[09:10] <arooni> is there anyway to maximize my power settings on my t61 laptop for max battery life?  i dont mind if cpu clock speed really slows down etc....... i want my advertised 6 hours ;p
[09:10] <henke> hmm, is it really the plan to have XGL started by default?
[09:10] <lucasvo> sn0: no, I wasn't
[09:10] <sn0> xgl is not started by default henke ?
[09:11] <henke> sn0: it is, but it shouldn't :)
[09:11] <lucasvo> sn0: it's an ATI card
[09:11] <lucasvo> I know that it's a problem with XGL because I had the same problem on another gutsy install on the same machine
[09:12] <sn0> lucasvo then you should be using the opensource ati drivers, try removing compiz to try
[09:12] <sn0> i don't see how xgl would be installed with the opensource drivers, asthey support aiglx
[09:13] <lucasvo> sn0: ok I will
[09:13] <lucasvo> sn0: It is a 100% clean install
[09:13] <lucasvo> I didn't add any package
[09:13] <henke> sn0: it doesn't honor keyboard language settings, and it's terribly slow on my radeon r300 card which runs much better with AIGLX. I disabled the automatic start by adding the driver to the blacklist in the Xsession startup files, however that doesn't seem to hep anymore :-)
[09:13] <sn0> lucasvo so its not an upgrade oh, i apologise i thought you said you upgraded to gutsy
[09:14] <lucasvo> sn0: it is an upgrade from a clean install
[09:14] <sn0> henke xserver-xgl is the package, since when has this been installed by default in gutsy?
[09:14] <lucasvo> I installed feisty and immediatly upgraded to gutsy
[09:14] <henke> sn0: I don't know about installation, but it's started by default. I noticed that in the changelogs as well
[09:14] <lucasvo> btw, anyone knows how to configure a wlan interface on the command line?
[09:15] <penguin42> arooni: Try getting the powertop package - it gives you tips on what you can do to help
[09:15] <sn0> henke thats a bit interesting, i haven't used ati in a while but remembering having to set up xgl manually, i thought in gutsy you only had to install it, and on a new session opened it would start automatically. hmm
[09:16] <henke> sn0: it used to have to be setup manually, that isn't the case anymore
[09:16] <sn0> lucasvo it would be interesting to see if this happens with a fresh gutsy tribe installation, if there is not a bug report maybe create one
[09:18] <lucasvo> sn0: sorry but I'm too busy to try it out.
[09:18] <sn0> which ati card do you have btw lucasvo
[09:19] <lucasvo> sn0: radeon r250
[09:19] <lucasvo> .
[09:19] <sn0> a mobility 9000, hmm im not sure fglrx supports those
[09:19] <arooni> folksk:  this command fails with permission denied: sudo echo powersave > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[09:20] <penguin42> arooni: That's because the > gets done as you; use sudo -s to get a root shell and then do it
[09:21] <sn0> benanz1 just upgraded to latest and rebooted, I still can create a new folder from the right click menu. if it helps :)
[09:25] <benanz1> sn0: I'm fully updated on Gutsy, and for some reason I still can't create an empty file or Template.  I can make launchers and folders though.
[09:25] <benanz1> sn0: is there a gconf key somewhere?  this just started yesterday
[09:25] <sn0> benanz1 im not sure where such a thing would be logged, if at all
[09:27] <benanz1> if I save from an app like gEdit, it works, using "touch" from the CL works...so it's not a permissions prob.  I can't figure it out.
[09:27] <sn0> i noticed a templates folder does not exist error on launchpad, but it doesn't seem to be what you are experiencing
[09:28] <benanz1> I can't find anything in the forums or on LP.
[09:28] <sn0> hopefully someone more knowledgeable will be around, i gotta head off for a bit :) hope you find what is happening
[09:29] <benanz1> thansk
[09:38] <aaroncampbell_> Beryl has been replaced in Gutsy right?  What's its equivalent, and does it still have poor ati support?
[09:39] <hylje> compiz
[09:43] <mon^rch> my perfect x setup just got borked after updating today... there was some kind of new gui thing that let me pick a default driver and then I can log on with 640X480 res. I tried putting back my xorg.conf settings but it just came back to using vesa drivers. help!
[09:54] <mon^rch> ...when  an new kernel is installed the freakin' restricted modules should be installed too.
[10:11] <aaroncampbell_> For anyone that was around when I was complaining that I had to manually modify /etc/eclipse/java_home to make eclipse use Sun Java 6, The latest update sent an updated file that fixes that issue.
[10:12] <aaroncampbell_> However, Adept, and aptitude neither worked very well...dpkg gives a warning that a file I modified has a newer version, and I can keep mine, replace it, view a diff, etc.  Both Adept and aptitude throw very generic errors
[10:21] <rjh> 7.10 my wireless does not work
[10:21] <rjh> 7.4 it does
[10:21] <ikonia> which card isi t ?
[10:21] <ikonia> is it
[10:22] <rjh> linksyswireless g 2.4ghz
[10:22] <rjh> 802.11 g
[10:22] <ikonia> thats not a hard
[10:22] <ikonia> 2.4ghz ?
[10:22] <ikonia> card
[10:22] <rjh> usb
[10:22] <rjh> reciver
[10:23] <rjh> it will try to connect
[10:23] <rjh> but wont stay connected
[10:23] <rjh> 2 mb out  fe kb back and stop
[10:24] <rjh> 2 kb back
[10:25] <rjh> in roaming it connects but its not usable
[10:27] <rjh> and its saposta be wep key ascii
[10:27] <rjh> but it changes to another
[10:29] <lucasvo> how can I install a german spell checker for openoffice?
[10:30] <rjh> brb trying some thing
[10:30] <asisak> lucasvo: apt-get install aspell-de I guess
[10:33] <Crell> Hi folks.  I've an odd case.  I have an SD reader in a laptop that was working fine with Feisty.  In order to get other hardware working I upgraded to the kernel out of gutsy (2.6.22-10).  I just tried the SD reader again and, lo, it doesn't seem to be automounting properly.  dmesg reports that it finds mmcblk0, but does not create a device file for it.  Any idea what I need to poke at?
[10:33] <Crell> I know the card is good, because I just read it fine on my desktop.
[10:35] <aaroncampbell_> I tried to enable compiz (from the command line...I didn't see a link anywhere), but my windows lot their decorations...
[10:35] <lucasvo> asisak: I installed it, but it doesn't show up in openoffice
[10:38] <lucasvo> asisak: I found the solution, go to FIle > Wizards> install new dict
[10:38] <lucasvo> asisak: quite easy
[10:39] <asisak> Wow. Sounds cool :)
[10:39] <aaroncampbell_> In Beryl, I'd right click on the icon in my status bar, and choose a different decorator, or reload it...but I don't know how to do that with compiz...
[10:44] <hype_> Hi
[10:44] <hype_> i was just wondering why gutsy tribe6 hasnt been released? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[10:44] <hype_> is it delayed or something?
[10:46] <hydrogen> sh
[10:47] <dispraekailo> Anyone have experience with freenx?
[10:48] <`23meg> hype_, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-September/000337.html
[10:49] <LeeJunFan> My ATI 9700 with gutsy is SLOOOW, and by slow I mean I can watch windows draw in while the CPU is pegged at 100% by X. This is with up to date gutsy.
[10:50] <Pici> hype_: Read the channel topic please.
[10:51] <hype_> `23meg , thanks
[10:51] <hype_> ho , sorry
[10:52] <`23meg> np
[11:06] <Xero> jHello.
[11:06] <rjh> hi
[11:06] <rjh> i have no clue on how to make the wireless work
[11:06] <rjh> on 7.10
[11:07] <rjh> unless i remove wireless from 7.10
[11:07] <rjh> and add 7.4 wireless to 7.10
[11:07] <rjh> sence its on a dole boot
[11:08] <rjh> its tribe 5 pre
[11:08] <rjh> would that work?
[11:09] <finalbeta> !paste
[11:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:11] <rjh> its a linksys wireless g 2.4ghz 802.11 g usb network adapter
[11:11] <dispraekailo> Does anyone know how to configure freenx for 7.10?
[11:13] <rjh> thats my story can anyone help
[11:16] <rjh> will he final release be better then this one?
[11:16] <rjh> wireless wise
[11:17] <rjh> or will i have to do some altering removing and adding
[11:17] <dispraekailo> I can imagine they'll do all they can to release a working version of their product.
[11:18] <rjh> im using 7.4 now
[11:18] <rjh> and dole boot 7.10
[11:18] <rjh> could i use 7.4 setting for 7.10?
[11:18] <rjh> wireless settings?
[11:19] <dispraekailo> I don't use unstable releases on my laptop.
[11:19] <rjh> it looks cool though
[11:20] <rjh> it has some of beryl settings that i see
[11:20] <osmosis> re topic, how do I become familiar with dpkg ?
[11:20] <dispraekailo> Nothing I'd want on my laptop.
[11:20] <dispraekailo> Stuff like that wastes battery life.
[11:27] <DanaG> Hmm, that's just odd...
[11:27] <DanaG> I was running Azureus on ethernet with the via-rhine driver, and it was being unusually slow for some reason.
[11:28] <DanaG> I unloaded via-rhine and loaded ndiswrapper with the Windows drivers for that wired nic, and now Azureus is no longer as slow.
[11:34] <nemik> omfg i hate fon
[12:06] <dazrour> can anyone tell me how to rebuild xserver-xorg without a specific patch?
[12:12] <DanaG> Hmm, something interesting about savagefb:
[12:12] <DanaG> If I do savagefb->usplash->xorg, X gets all screwed up and corrupt.
[12:12] <DanaG> However, if I do usplash->savagefb->xorg, it works fine.
[12:13] <DanaG> I hope the new ATI stuff will have accelerated framebuffer drivers...
[12:14] <DanaG> I wish the base usplash wouldn't use blue text.
[12:14] <DanaG> It should use brown-orange, like the vga=anything mode.
[12:27] <aaroncampbell_> I tried to enable compiz (from the command line...I didn't see a link anywhere), but my windows lot their decorations...
[12:27] <aaroncampbell_> In Beryl, I'd right click on the icon in my status bar, and choose a different decorator, or reload it...but I don't know how to do that with compiz...
[12:28] <ziroday> aaroncampbell: you need fusion-icon. I dont think its in the repos tho
[12:35] <aaroncampbell_> ziroday: What is that, and what does it do?  I can't move any of my windows, etc.
[12:46] <CountX> can someone please help me get my mic working
[12:47] <CountX> no one wants to help in #ubuntu
[12:47] <nickrud> don't know mics ;)
[12:48] <nickrud> aaroncampbell: alt-f2 emerald --replace  , try that
[12:52] <dispraekailo> How do I disable the software firewall in gusty?
[01:08] <Amaranth> dispraekailo: the firewall doesn't have any rule set by default (it doesn't do anything)
[01:09] <Amaranth> And you can't disable it, it's a part of the kernel
[01:09] <dispraekailo> I already took care of it.
[01:14] <jml> Hello. I've joined the world of gutsy.
[01:15] <Amaranth> The goggles, they do nothing!
[01:15] <nemik> how does it feel?
[01:15] <jml> a lot like feisty, except the fonts are bigger.
[01:16] <nemik> it's not as bad as i expected, even 1 month ago when i first got it
[01:16] <jml> (is it actually a known thing that the fonts are bigger? or is it only local weirdness?)