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j^is anyone working on updating democracyplayer to miro?12:38
geserj^: I don't know if RAOF will get near democracyplayer/miro again12:39
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LaserJockthat's pretty twice as much as the *total* disk space as I had previously in the house12:40
j^the feisty package they provide can be compiled for gusty after updating python_boost lib name12:41
mertikiI have a upload chich isn't accepted in ubuntu universe repositories yet, and I want to update that package in REVU. Do I have to change the version number of my package before uploading or should-I keep the actual version number?12:41
j^LaserJock: felt like that last week, but it was 2TB i had in my bag12:41
geserLaserJock: a hard drive that never breaks? nice :)12:41
mertikiLaserJock : It's like the day that I received my first laptop which had 80 Gb.. it was 40 times the place I had in my old computer... which was... well anyway :P12:45
LaserJockgeser: haha, Freidian slip perhaps12:45
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LaserJockso, maybe I'll rip some music now :-)12:46
LaserJocksince people seem appauled last night that I still use CDs12:46
TheMusoLaserJock: I wasn't appauled, but I find it easier for me, as it saves my CDs from wear and tear, and it makes it easier to find the music I want to listen to, depending on the mood I'm in.12:47
TheMusoI wasn't trying to sway your decision.12:47
LaserJockwell, I actually got it because of the Classmate PC I've got12:48
LaserJockwhich only has a 2GB flash drive12:48
LaserJockso I wanted something portable12:48
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LaserJockoh gross01:02
LaserJockthis external hard drive is formated ntfs01:02
LaserJockhmm, so now I gotta figure out what to format it01:13
LaserJockperhaps I should have a smallish fat32 just in case01:13
LaserJockhmm, and maybe *gulp* I should LVM the whole thing01:13
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_MMA_LaserJock: You could always go EXT3 and use: http://www.fs-driver.org in windows.01:15
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_MMA_If you have cause to have files that are over 4GB (DVD images) FAT32 will be a issue.01:17
LaserJock_MMA_: have you tried that ext3 driver before?01:19
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_MMA_yes. Before linux was my primary OS.01:20
_MMA_There's another I think. I cant readily find the link.01:20
LaserJockwell, I just had another thought to01:21
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LaserJockI usually always have a LiveCD around01:21
LaserJockso I should be able to have access to the files, regardless01:21
_MMA_LaserJock: ntfs-3g has worked really well for me also. If you wanna stay NTFS.01:22
LaserJockblah, no way01:23
LaserJockI hardly ever boot into windows01:23
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FujitsuMorning all.01:49
TheMusoHey Fujitsu.01:49
LaserJockhi Fujitsu01:50
FujitsuHi TheMuso, LaserJock.01:52
FujitsuThanks for the gimp stuff, StevenK.01:52
geserHi Fujitsu01:53
FujitsuHi geser.01:56
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geserdoes somebody know if PPA can build packages from multiverse or if PPA can use the orig.tar.gz from the archive?02:17
Fujitsugeser: The former: yes, but it's probably against the ToS. The latter: no.02:18
Fujitsumplayer and the like should be OK, as the code is under sane licenses.02:19
geserI want to check if upgrading boost to 1.34.1 (new upstream) would be possible and want to use PPA for the rebuilds02:19
geserand some packages build-depending on boost live in multiverse02:19
geserthis also means I've to upload all the orig.tar.gz :(02:20
FujitsuUnfortunately. It'd be nice if it grabbed it from publisher. I sense a wishlist bug.02:20
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syssyphusI was looking to get involved with ubuntu, is this where I go for a mentor?03:17
avoineHi syssyphus03:19
avoineAs far as I know mentor are only for a specific task or package03:20
avoinebut I'm not sure03:20
avoineIt's describe there: https://help.launchpad.net/MentoringManagement/03:21
syssyphusok, thanks03:23
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RAOFj^: Miro is now out of the NEW queue I believe.  At least I recieved a mail to that effect.03:37
RAOFHey all!  I'm in Hobart.03:38
TheMusoHey RAOF. Great to see you have uploaded something. :)03:38
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RAOFHey TheMuso!  Yeah, I thought I'd done all the testing I could locally :)03:40
TheMusoRAOF: Well you can close the uus bug for it then. :p03:42
RAOFTheMuso: I thought I'd already unsubscribed u-u-s.03:42
TheMusoRAOF: I dunno. I just thought that the bug is no longer needed.03:42
RAOFTheMuso: Also, I thought it'd be closed-by-changelog :)03:43
TheMusoRAOF: If you did that in the changelog, yes it would.03:44
jdonghow hardly frozen is Universe?03:46
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TheMusojdong: UVFs can be filed, and bug fixes, but bug fixes are preferred.03:46
TheMusoUVFs are granted, but yeah, focus is bug fixing.03:46
jdongTheMuso: ok; this is primarily a feature addition for a little-used package03:47
jdongIMO a very beneficial one at that03:47
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TheMusojdong: If its not a new upstream version, we can get it in.03:48
TheMusoRAOF: Ouch.03:48
jdongwell rightfully it should be done as a new release... but I think I'm jumping the gun... Oh well, gutsy+1 then backports then.03:48
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StevenKRAOF: Personally, I think I'd approve it, given a good enough justification.03:54
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RAOFStevenK: I don't think it fixes that much.  It provides some extra features, but our current kvm works.04:01
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jdongwhat are the rules of maintainership?04:07
jdongi.e. these lzma changes required me to make substantial packaging changing (i.e. switching source tarball to a different vendor)...04:08
jdongI was wondering if that means I should put myself in as maintainer so the orig. maintainer doesn't get blamed?04:08
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StevenKRAOF: In which case, we stay put. Good call.04:14
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LaserJockjdong: what's the best URL to point people to who are requesting backports?04:25
jdongLaserJock: wikipage tends to be most accurate04:25
jdong"How to request new packages" on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports04:26
LaserJockah, excellent04:26
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LaserJockjdong: how easy is it to get one? is it a long wait?04:26
jdongLaserJock: response speed is inversely proportional to the amount of homework I have :)04:27
LaserJockk, about what I expected :-)04:27
jdongLaserJock: but I do tend to skim through and at least push thru the backports I feel are low-risk/trivial04:27
jdongthose get processed with relatively fast turnaround04:27
LaserJockdo you have much help these days?04:27
jdongScottK is helping some; and a few community members still are doing build tests for me04:28
jdongbut more help is definitely appreciated04:28
StevenKjdong: Further to that, if you want someone else to do build tests, I'm happy to donate CPU time04:28
jdongcurrently I have an automatic builder that helps a lot with managing the build test queue04:29
StevenKjdong: Oh yes, is there a blacklist for backporting?04:29
jdongif only malone were faster ;-)04:29
jdongStevenK: most library stacks are off limits. anything that breaks backwards dependencies.04:30
StevenKjdong: Can you add devscripts to that list, since backporting it is pointless? :-)04:30
jdongStevenK: ok I'll keep that in mind.... any reason why people try to backport devscripts?04:30
StevenKBecause I made requestsync better.04:31
StevenKjdong: My thought is it's much easier to pull the relevant script out of the source package, and copy it to ~/bin, rather than waste your time doing a backport that is pointless.04:34
jdongthat's a valid point04:34
LaserJockhmm, I wonder what PPAs will do to -backports04:38
LaserJockI was thinking of backporting some science stuff with my PPA04:38
jdongit'll be interesting to try to integrate the two together04:38
TheMusoLaserJock: I don't think it will do anything, as backports can be touted as the officially tested set of packages.04:38
jdongwhen I have time04:38
FujitsuLaserJock: No, the only PPA pocket is RELEASE at this time.04:39
LaserJockFujitsu: hmm?04:39
TheMusoLaserJock: SO if something breaks, someone is accountable, if the package was used from backports.04:39
FujitsuThe only effect the lack of a BACKPORTS pocket is that you can't build against existing backports.04:39
LaserJockFujitsu: I'm saying that maybe PPA will take some pressure off of -backports04:40
LaserJockor maybe people will get more intersted in -backports04:40
LaserJockbecause they are backporting in PPAs and want to get them "official"04:40
LaserJockI was just sort of thinking to myself04:40
FujitsuOh, right, not -backports pockets in PPAs.04:40
LaserJockI was thinking of backporting some science stuff, because I can now with PPA04:41
LaserJockso it got me to thinking04:41
FujitsuI really don't like the restriction to one PPA per person.04:41
FujitsuThey should at least provide flexible components or similar to allow for a split.04:42
LaserJockI've already talked to them about that04:42
FujitsuAs I might want to use some stuff from my PPA on a machine somewhere, and not want some crackful SVN mplayer build that I'll likely upload soon.04:43
FujitsuThey originally did have multiple archives, but a couple of months back it was reduced to one, as they said other use cases were better handled by team PPAs.04:43
LaserJockI think Mark probably had something to do with that04:44
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LaserJockI tried to make an argument for multiple PPAs (I think it might happen eventually)04:45
FujitsuBut it just unhappened.04:45
LaserJockbut all the ones I have would be covered via team PPAs04:45
LaserJockI think it'll rehappen ;-)04:45
LaserJockit seems sort of obvious that people will want to separate packages04:46
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StevenKCompare the archive size.04:48
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StevenKThe main Ubuntu archive is the ballpark of 170Gb, isn't it? And there is also a mirror pulse to contend with.04:49
FujitsuIt doesn't ... I forget the term... safely publish? every run, so it just has to regenerate the indices from the DB.04:49
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tonyyarussoStevenK: It's 40G for sources and one arch for one release, iirc.04:50
StevenKYeah, but one arch and two releases doesn't make 80Gb04:51
StevenKHeck, two arches, and two releases (no source) is tipping the scales at 47Gb04:52
FujitsuIt's not as if it md5sums all 200GB each run.04:52
StevenKI'd add source, but I think that'd eat through the 13Gb I have remaining.04:52
TheMusoStevenK: And how often are you fetching source anyway.04:53
TheMusoOnly when you need to work on a package.04:53
StevenKTheMuso: Depends on what I'm doing. Having source mirrored would have been useful when I did the 60 odd uploads for curl.04:53
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TheMusoStevenK: heh true that.04:53
StevenKCurl. Twitch.04:54
LaserJockI have i386+source04:54
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LaserJockruns me about 35-40GB04:54
LaserJockI want to be able to do funky repo-wide stuff04:54
StevenKIf I had a spare 200Gb, I'd mirror amd64, i386 and source for every supported release.04:54
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LaserJockit's a big waste of bandwidth for me04:55
StevenKYeah, but when I sync my mirror, I'm not paying for the bandwidth. :-)04:55
LaserJockbut well, I just have a cron job for like 5am. I'm not using the bandwidth anyway04:55
StevenKMy ISP has non-counted downloads between midnight and midday, so I sync at 0005, and 080504:56
LaserJockmight as well get my money's worth04:56
Fujitsu57G for feisty/gutsy i386/source04:56
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LaserJockonly 57?04:56
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StevenKSource is big then, feisty/gutsy amd64/i386 is only 4704:56
TheMusoStevenK: DO you also sync cd images?04:56
StevenKTheMuso: Heck no. I point jidgo at my mirror and build an alternative CD in about 3 minutes.04:57
TheMusoStevenK: Doesn't help for live CDs.04:57
TheMusoI use jigdo with my ISP mirror for alternates.04:57
LaserJockI just rsync .isos04:58
StevenKTheMuso: Sure, but if I need a desktop CD, I make an ISO from a Feisty CD I have and rsync04:58
TheMusoStevenK: Right.04:58
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FujitsuLast time I checked we had ~70%... /me checks again.05:07
FujitsuAw, down a bit05:07
tonyyarussoStill a very commanding lead over the next one.05:08
LaserJockI liked madduck's comment05:08
FujitsuI'm surprised Debian is so far above everyone else.05:09
tonyyarussoAnd since Debian is #2, the pairing is doing very well.05:09
FujitsuLaserJock: Yeah, isn't it great?05:09
LaserJockyes, if you take Debian and Ubuntu together it's pretty huge05:09
FujitsuAnd 7% is distro-neutral.05:10
LaserJockI'm glad to know we are so volatile ;-)05:10
LaserJockwell, it's sad that they have to pick one05:10
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LaserJockbut support would be a nightmare05:10
Fujitsu-/me sighs.05:10
Fujitsu`Ubuntu is more polished than Debian and has a much smaller package set. Debian (unstable) gets packages updated more frequently and has a lot more to choose from.'05:10
StevenKYes, yay for complete mis-information.05:10
LaserJockif you compare unstable to Ubuntu Main it's not far off05:11
tonyyarussoDon't they have almost identical package numbers?05:13
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Fujitsutonyyarusso: We have more.05:14
FujitsuWe have all Debian packages but a few from non-free and contrib (and some kernel bits, and a few that are specific to Debian archs).05:15
FujitsuOn top of that, we have our depressingly large number of Ubuntu-only packages.05:15
FujitsuWhich we *really* need to do something about in the near future.05:15
TheMusoFujitsu: How do you find maintainers for them all for Debian?05:16
FujitsuOr they'll just rot for a few more releases.05:16
tonyyarussoFujitsu: Yes, once things settle into place for my fall a little more I will be looking for help getting my (one so far, probably more in the future) package up into Debian too.05:16
FujitsuTheMuso: I mean killing them off, probably.05:16
TheMusoFujitsu: ah ok05:16
tonyyarussoFujitsu: Do we maintain a conclusive list of such packages?05:16
Fujitsutonyyarusso: I'll give you a probably-correct link in a sec.05:17
TheMusoFujitsu: Well lsr is one thats not really maintained upstream, and practically has a non-existant user-base in Ubuntu, so it can go as far as I'm concerned.05:17
TheMusoactually, its dead upstream.05:17
FujitsuMost of them have a non-existent userbase, non-existent maintainer, and haven't been touched since they were uploaded.05:17
Fujitsutonyyarusso: http://people.ubuntu.org.au/~fujitsu/motuscience/versions/universe.html is a fairly good list.05:18
tonyyarussoTheMuso: doesn't Orca replace that?05:18
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TheMusoI should actually see about getting one that I originally got uploaded into Debian...05:18
tonyyarussoFujitsu: Nothing automatic though05:18
TheMusotonyyarusso: Not exactly replace it, but its the way forward from here.05:18
Fujitsutonyyarusso: That's automatically generated.05:18
FujitsuJust a diff of sid/gutsy package lists, basically.05:18
tonyyarussooh, okay05:19
FujitsuThe removals list is mostly bogus, however.05:19
tonyyarussoFujitsu: Can you share the script you used?  ;)05:19
Fujitsutonyyarusso: It's mdt.05:19
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tonyyarusso!info mtd05:19
ubotuPackage mtd does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas05:19
tonyyarusso!info mdt05:19
ubotuPackage mdt does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas05:19
FujitsuNot in the repos.05:19
FujitsuHm, there's no factoid on it at all.05:20
FujitsuIt's in various bzr branches, the main one at the moment being mine (http://people.ubuntu.org.au/~fujitsu/multidistrotools), I believe.05:20
FujitsuOr LaserJock's might have been revived since tiber died.05:20
FujitsuAs you can see, we have quite a few packages not in Debian.05:22
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LaserJockhmm, bit of a netsplit?05:55
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LaserJockFujitsu: is ubuntu-changes-auto still used?06:12
FujitsuLaserJock: I don't think so, but I'll check.06:21
FujitsuLaserJock: Not since we moved to Soyuz.06:22
LaserJockFujitsu: then I don't get what you were saying06:22
nixternalanyone here use Eclipse?06:22
FujitsuLaserJock: We synced a large number of packages from strange sources during hoary/breezy, none of which have been touched since.06:22
LaserJockapt-get.org ?06:23
FujitsuI didn't previously think there was a way to differentiate them from the rest.06:23
LaserJockthat's cool06:24
LaserJockI wondered about that as well06:24
FujitsuWe probably want to kill a lot of them.06:24
LaserJockdepends I guess06:28
LaserJockit used to be we wanted them06:28
LaserJockbut it seems like there's more emphasis on having gardened repos now :-)06:29
FujitsuSome were synced in hoary from who knows where, and the last changelog entry is from way back in '02.06:30
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bszmyddo i still post to REVU if I'm trying to get a uvf execption for a package?06:45
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TheMusoI worry that PPAs for some may be an invitation to get crack out there, and a lot of users' systems will break.06:47
TheMusoas a result of using some random person's PPA with some random package update that hasn't been widely tested.06:47
FujitsuTheMuso: Yep, that is the main fear at the moment.06:49
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tonyyarussoTheMuso: on the other hand, that's also their main use - to get crack more widely distributed for testing06:55
tonyyarussocatch 22?06:55
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tonyyarussoSo craigslist....  IBM server from 1999, free.  I may have to get it just for giggles.06:58
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TheMusoFujitsu: I had that in mind when I was writing my above fear.06:59
LaserJockI think that perhaps the issue needs to be solved in a different way07:04
LaserJockpeople will always be throwing up 3rd party repos07:04
LaserJocksometimes they are great, sometimes they are a disaster07:04
LaserJocktrying to squash them isn't any good07:05
FujitsuWhat can we do about them?07:05
FujitsuPPA makes it a lot easier, though.07:06
LaserJocknot a ton07:06
LaserJockthe packages still have to build07:06
FujitsuThey don't need to set up anything like falcon, nor do they need web hosting.07:06
LaserJockPPA just provides a bit more convienience07:06
FujitsuThey can set it up in seconds.07:07
LaserJockyeah, but web hosting and apt-ftparchive is pretty trivial07:07
FujitsuThe barrier to entry is pretty much eliminated.07:07
LaserJockI think the barrier is in making a decent source package07:07
FujitsuThey don't have to be decent to build.07:07
LaserJockwell, s/decent/buildable/07:07
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LaserJockI *do* think we're going to have to do more checking on the source of packages when people file bugs07:08
LaserJockI think there should be some automated way to do that07:08
FujitsuHm, I wonder if it would be nice to have PPA rejecting Ubuntu-looking versions.07:09
FujitsuLike, no *ubuntuX07:09
FujitsuThat way we eliminate confusion.07:09
FujitsuAnd they really shouldn't be using that versioning anyway.07:09
TheMusoWhats the recommended version for PPA packages?07:10
LaserJockwhy not?07:10
FujitsuTheMuso: ~ppaX seems to be normal.07:10
LaserJockI've seen stuff like 0ubuntu0ppa107:10
FujitsuThat works too.07:10
FujitsuLike we don't have -X on new packages, they shouldn't have ubuntuX07:11
LaserJockit just seems like the idea that we can limit people to just what's in our repos is a failed model07:11
FujitsuI'm not debating that.07:12
FujitsuBut they shouldn't carry our versioning, or it gets very confusing.07:12
tonyyarussoI'd recommend something like 0.7.10-0ubuntu0~7.10-ppa1, for best upgradability.07:12
tonyyarussonot sure if that second hyphen works - make it a period if need be07:12
LaserJocktry to get people to understand that07:12
Fujitsutonyyarusso: I've used ~ppa1~feisty1 for my backport of Gutsy PPA stuff.07:12
tonyyarussoFujitsu: That will run into issues if you do PPA builds for more than just feisty.07:13
Fujitsutonyyarusso: Why?07:13
FujitsuI have 0.9.7-0ubuntu1~ppa1 for Gutsy, and 0.9.7-0ubuntu1~ppa1~feisty1 for Feisty.07:13
pwnguinif it's any consolation, i dont have web hosting, and ive only started reading about packaging in the last two weeks07:13
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pwnguinand ive got a few nice packages. i doubt they're perfect07:14
tonyyarussoFujitsu: actually, hrm07:14
FujitsuI think my versioning is fairly sane.07:15
pwnguinas far as the versioning goes, it would help if dch was smarter07:15
LaserJockpwnguin: definatly anybody who bothers to hang out in here and learn packaging is quite a bit ahead :-)07:15
Fujitsupwnguin: What extra intelligence should it have?07:15
tonyyarussoFujitsu: Not in the way I initially thought with that, but you'll still have a problem if someone dist-upgrades from say dapper to edgy, still using your PPA, since apt doesn't like alphabetical versioning.07:15
Fujitsutonyyarusso: It's the normal backport versioning...07:15
tonyyarussoFujitsu: Oh?  Odd.07:16
pwnguinFujitsu: at the moment, when i dch --increment, it throws -ubuntu1 on top of ppa07:16
Fujitsu0ubuntu1 > 0ubuntu1~ppa1 > 0ubuntu1~ppa1~feisty1 > 0ubuntu1~ppa1~edgy1...07:16
Fujitsupwnguin: Ah, I see. Might want to file a bug about that.07:16
FujitsuOr maybe wait until we have officially sanctioned versioning.07:16
pwnguinAlso, automatix didnt need ppas to inflict damage on users07:17
tonyyarussoFujitsu: perhaps it works as long as we have alphabetically sequental development names?  Surely a case like Hoary -> Breezy would have broken with that scheme.07:17
Fujitsutonyyarusso: Right. There is a reason we changed.07:17
FujitsuThat would have been part of it, I presume07:18
FujitsuOtherwise nothing sorts properly.07:18
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tonyyarussoplus, eventually we'll hit Z ;)07:18
FujitsuAs all non-alphabetical releases are dead, it should work.07:18
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pwnguinspeaking of ppas and motu, whats the odds of getting something from debian experimental into universe?07:21
FujitsuThere is one change that IMO has to be done: making pkgbinarymangler mangle Maintainer to the PPA owner.07:21
Fujitsupwnguin: When we're not frozen, it could probably happen.07:21
FujitsuDepending on how experimental it is.07:21
pwnguinit's a bit unfinished07:22
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LaserJockwe get a number of packaging for Main from experimental07:23
LaserJockit just depends on the package07:23
pwnguinits a pam module that doesn't seem to set anything you'd need to actually use it07:23
pwnguinie registering fingerprints with users07:24
pwnguinadding to common-auth07:24
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LaserJockman, this seems bright. user seems to have a messed up sources.list on gutsy so cps his old feisty one and tries to install stuff07:44
LaserJocknow they have an unbootable system07:45
FujitsuHahaha. Link?07:45
Fujitsu(so we can laugh at them)07:45
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FujitsuMine has worked since Edgy, though the xD and Memory Stick bits didn't last time I checked.07:46
LaserJockthis one might be an interesting read as well http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54646707:47
Fujitsu`I dont think it would kill Ubuntu if thats what you're wondering.'07:47
pwnguini should by an sd card and see how well it works07:48
Hobbseethe sd card doesnt mount here.  most annoying.07:48
pwnguinwhat's dmesg say?07:49
pwnguini recall sd support being a fairly new feature07:49
FujitsuAutomounting seems broken for me at the moment, but if I mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 it works.07:49
pwnguinthats the older spec07:49
FujitsuYes, but it's what the kernel normally calls SD/MMC block devices.07:50
Hobbseepwnguin: http://rafb.net/p/pOANQa85.html07:50
Hobbseeoh, here, it's just not mounted.07:51
FujitsuHobbsee: Tried mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1?07:51
FujitsuYeah, that's what I thought.07:51
Hobbseejust did.  works a charm.07:51
FujitsuAutomounting seems largely screwed at the moment.07:51
Hobbseehow useful07:51
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Hobbseeer, would help if i mounted it read/write, i expect.07:52
HobbseeFujitsu: er, how?07:52
Hobbseeseeing as i'm on the road to asking stupid questions today07:53
FujitsuHobbsee: Mount with `rw', though that should be default.07:53
FujitsuCheck the RO tab thing on the card.07:53
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HobbseeFujitsu: the lock is not enabled, i tried with rw, adn i still get permission denied.07:55
Hobbseeah.  need sudo, for some reason.07:55
pwnguinto mount things?07:55
FujitsuHobbsee: Ah, yes, it won't be mounted as your user.07:55
FujitsuSomeone didn't use Linux before the time of automounting?07:56
HobbseeFujitsu: i've only been using linux for <3 years, yes.07:56
Hobbseebut i'd been able to manually mount as root, and be able to read/write the directory as the user07:57
Hobbseeoh, maybe i needed to chown the dir above07:57
pwnguinor perhaps use -o user07:57
LaserJockHobbsee: hehe, I went through the same thing today ;-)07:57
pwnguinthe mount manpage is as long as it is informative07:57
HobbseeLaserJock: :)07:57
Hobbseepwnguin: this is true07:58
pwnguinyou'll get lost!07:58
LaserJockI was pretty sure Gnome mounts stuff like usb disks as the user07:58
LaserJockbut maybe not07:58
LaserJockbut in KDE at least today I had to "adjust" some thing07:58
pwnguinhald/dbus should probably handle it fine in gnome if working correctly07:59
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LaserJockhmm, there isn't any weird freezes going on right? just UVF and FF08:03
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Hobbseeoh, adn teh "pay Hobbsee $50 for every upload" freeze08:04
tonyyarussoLaserJock: plus the one on your assets if you question the president08:04
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FujitsuI've mostly been requesting syncs for Debian bugfixes lately :(08:05
LaserJockthat's good too08:05
LaserJockmoquist rewrote a lot of the moodle packaging08:05
LaserJockand I think it seems good to go08:05
LaserJockso perhaps I'll upload it and see if it breaks anybody's machine :-)08:05
FujitsuMmm, moodle. Haven't tried that in about 3~4 years.08:06
LaserJockthen we can get the MIR done and get it into Main08:06
LaserJockmoodle has been a bit of a thorn in our side08:07
LaserJockeverybody wants it but it's a bugger to get into Main08:08
LaserJockthe security history isn't the best08:08
LaserJockbut it seems upstream has done better lately08:08
LaserJockso we've rewritten the database handling in the packaging to get rid of the www-config deps, etc.08:09
LaserJockpretty much had to touch every file in debian/08:09
LaserJockhmm, I'm guessing it's not a good sign when all apt does is core-dump08:10
FujitsuProbably not.08:10
LaserJockFujitsu: especially since it was the first packaging project for the guy who did it, moquist08:11
FujitsuBetter that than core-dump and eating your filesystem for supper, I guess.08:11
FujitsuHm, not a bad first effort.08:11
LaserJocktalk about getting dumped in the deep end of the pool08:11
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pwnguinmost people start with hello world08:11
LaserJockhad to handle mysql and postgresql08:11
LaserJockmake sure debconf was good, etc.08:12
LaserJockand make sure it'd all stand up to a MIR08:12
LaserJockFujitsu: luckly that was in a VM ;-)08:14
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sorenFujitsu: The enthusiastic PPA one?11:17
Fujitsusoren: Yeah.11:17
sorenFujitsu: Um... Ok. Why?11:17
FujitsuPeople who can't code producting packages.11:18
FujitsuPeople who don't know how to.11:18
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sorenAh. Yes, that puzzled me a bit, too.11:18
StevenKWhy should ability to code affect how one can package?11:18
sorenHis package is more up-to-date than the one in gutsy, actually :/11:19
FujitsuStevenK: Well, he used it as an example as to how he probably wasn't PPA's intended audience.11:19
AmaranthDoesn't take a programming genius to run dh_make -b11:19
FujitsuIs the package totally crackful?11:19
Amaranthor snag the package from gutsy and drop the debian/ in an updated tree11:20
FujitsuI don't like it being so trivial to publish packages for consumption by the rest of the world.11:20
Amaranththat's sort of what the PPA system is for, no?11:21
FujitsuYes, unfortunately11:21
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rglI just upgrade python-dnspython to 1.5.0, did everything till debuild -S, debdiff and interdiff, now what?  I guess I have to upload to REVU?11:46
Fujitsurgl: Do you have a freeze exception?11:56
rglhumm no. Fujitsu11:56
FujitsuWell, you need a UVF exception. Does it fix some important bugs, and not introduce no features? Judging by the version number, I'd say not.11:57
rglno.  its a new version.11:58
rglso, introduces everything *G*11:58
rglanyways, under a freeze noone can upload new packages?11:58
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alex_mayorgahello, somebody here can help me port a debian package to ubuntu, maybe point me to the right doc/howto?11:59
Fujitsualex_mayorga: It's unlikely that changes will be necessary.11:59
alex_mayorgaFujitsu, OK, so how do I go about it?11:59
Fujitsualex_mayorga: Do you have the source package (.dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz)?12:00
alex_mayorgafirst time I do a .deb, I've done a couple of .rpm and Solaris packages, but nothing fancy12:00
FujitsuIs the package actually in Debian?12:01
alex_mayorgayep in pool suposedly12:02
Fujitsualex_mayorga: What is its name? It's probably in Ubuntu too, then...12:03
rglso, should I upload to REVU?12:03
Fujitsurgl: There's no point, as it probably won't happen for gutsy.12:03
alex_mayorgaFujitsu, maven212:03
rglFujitsu, I don't care if it uploaded to gutsy.  I just want it in the next version.12:04
Fujitsualex_mayorga: Ah, so it's only new today, so won't be in Ubuntu. run `dpkg-source -x whatever.dsc', cd into the directory, and run `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot', and hope it works.12:04
alex_mayorgaFujitsu, I'd like to do it as an experiment on the personal packages thingie on LAunchpad12:05
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Fujitsurgl: It'll probably be synced from Debian early in Hardy, so there's very little point.12:05
Amaranth!info maven212:05
ubotuPackage maven2 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas12:06
Amaranth!info maven2 gutsy12:06
Fujitsualex_mayorga: Well, you'll have to add a changelog entry (dch -i), debuild -S -sa, and upload to PPA using the PPA instructions.12:06
FujitsuAmaranth: It has been in Debian less than 24 hours.12:06
ubotuPackage maven2 does not exist in gutsy12:06
Amaranthah, i see12:06
alex_mayorgaFujitsu, can you hold my hand or point me to a HOWTO12:07
Fujitsualex_mayorga: Not sure of any howtos, and I'm rather busy with school stuff at the moment.12:08
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derjohnhi, as I still miss linux-image-2.6.22-.*-xen in the amd64 repo of gutsy, I want to build the kernel myself. Usually I use make-kpkg for the job, but i read severa times about the "new building infrastructure" - do we now build kernel debs differntly (i.e. dpkg-buildpackage or such) ?12:10
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alex_mayorgawhy when installing build-essentials on Gutsy, it asks for a CD? I netinstalled :(12:15
Fujitsualex_mayorga: Remove the cdrom line from /etc/apt/sources.list, and apt-get update.12:16
alex_mayorgaFujitsu, thanks that did the trick12:18
alex_mayorgaFujitsu, are there rules for ubuntu java related packages like in debian?12:24
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alex_mayorgawhen I'm repackaging a debian package, do I update the changelog ? do I become the maintaner of the package?12:31
pygialex_mayorga, 1) why repackage 2) changelog always has to be updated c) no, you dont. If it's universe/multiverse then motu is maintainer, otherwise core-dev12:39
alex_mayorgapygi, I'd like to have this http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/maven2/ on gutsy12:41
alex_mayorgaand I'd also like to step in as the maintainer for it, if possible12:42
pygialex_mayorga, for gutsy, not possible12:42
pygialex_mayorga, it'll be auto-synced for gutsy+112:42
pygialex_mayorga, ubuntu doesn't have set maintainers12:42
pygimaintainer is either motu or core-dev team12:43
alex_mayorgaso there's nothing for me to do, but wait?12:43
pygikindof =)12:43
alex_mayorgado I mark bug 137521 as fixed upstream then?12:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137521 in ubuntu "New package maven-2.0.7" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13752112:44
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pygifor feisty-backports it's invalid as said12:45
pygifor gutsy it's not possible to get it in anymore12:46
pygiso possibly gutsy-backports one day, but only possible12:46
alex_mayorgacan I stick it into my PPA then?12:46
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pkernWhere's the Ubuntu NEW queue located? (As in "an overview of the packages in it")12:54
pygialex_mayorga, sure12:55
geserpkern: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue12:56
alex_mayorgaI'll give that a try12:56
pygigeser, you beat me to it, damn :P12:57
pygialex_mayorga, yw, if you have anymore questions, poke12:57
alex_mayorgapygi, how can I advocate for maven2 to be put in that queue? sorry if I'm being obnoxious, but I'm completely new to the MOTU suff12:58
pygialex_mayorga, for gutsy, you can't :)12:58
alex_mayorgaand I really need that package to carry on my work/projects, so any help is greatly appreciated12:58
pygialex_mayorga, put it in ppa, it'll be built, but for gutsy you cannot put it in anymore12:59
Fujitsupygi: NPFU exceptions aren't too difficult to find.12:59
alex_mayorgaand for the upcoming release?12:59
pygiyou should have thought of that earlier01:00
Fujitsupygi: It only appeared in Debian a few hours agto.01:00
pygialex_mayorga, as I said, it'll be synced from debian01:00
pygiFujitsu, yup, I know01:00
alex_mayorgano way around? :(01:00
pygithere's this NPFU exception that Fujitsu mentioned, but ...01:01
alex_mayorganot even if I mail Mark? :)01:01
alex_mayorganothing depends on it so it should be safe01:02
pygithat's not the procedure01:02
pygialex_mayorga, you can try filing a NPFU exception, Fujitsu can tell you more about it01:02
FujitsuCan I? If you say so.01:02
alex_mayorgashow me the path and I'll follow it01:02
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alex_mayorgaFujitsu, I'm all ears01:03
alex_mayorgaFujitsu, when it mentions to link to the source package it means this http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/maven2/ ?01:06
Fujitsualex_mayorga: That will probably do, yeah.01:06
alex_mayorgaFrom what I can tell, there are already two filed bugs that request for that package, do I file another one anyway?01:07
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Fujitsualex_mayorga: You could turn one into a NPFUe request, and mark the other as a duplicate.01:07
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alex_mayorgaLet me work that out01:08
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alex_mayorgaFujitsu, do I rename the bug so it has NPFU on the title?01:11
pkernNewer Package From Unstable?01:11
pkerns/Newer/New/ probably01:12
alex_mayorgapkern, thanks01:12
FujitsuNew Package Freeze Universe.01:14
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pygialex_mayorga, calm :)01:16
pygiover and out from me :)01:16
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alex_mayorgapygi, would do, it's 6 am here and I didn't catch much sleep trying to figure how to package Maven2 for Ubuntu :)01:17
pygialex_mayorga, I didn't sleep for a couple of days, so? :)01:18
pygiso shhh, lunch :)01:18
alex_mayorgahehe, been a while for me01:18
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alex_mayorgaFujitsu, so is your title the one?01:23
alex_mayorgaany tag that's needed?01:23
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alex_mayorgaanyone else familiar with the process?01:28
geseralex_mayorga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-c9d177822a71b90ec5fb703ed0d0f30eeb8fc1db01:34
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MarcPHi all01:40
MarcPit's the first time I use motu and I need some help01:40
alex_mayorgageser, is bug 102037 appropriate ?01:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 102037 in ubuntu "[New Package Freeze Upstream]  maven2-2.0.7" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10203701:40
MarcPI have uploaded a package (ario) using dput but I don't see it on this page : http://revu.tauware.de/index.py01:41
MarcPand I also have this error when I try to recover my password : "No REVU account for marc.pavot@gmail.com exists yet."01:42
MarcPDo you know why?01:42
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alex_mayorgaFujitsu, geser and everyone, thanks for your time and patience01:48
alex_mayorgasee you all around01:51
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pkernFujitsu: Thanks.03:12
pkernFujitsu: Makes more sense of course. (It was a question, I didn't know it.)03:12
sorenMarcP: You need to have a Launchpad account, assign a GPG key to it and have it synced to the REVU system.03:15
sorenMarcP: The last bit needs to be done by one of the REVU admins03:15
MarcPsoren: I have created a launchpad account, and assigned a GPG key to it03:16
MarcPand my upload with dput worked ('Successfully uploaded packages.')03:16
sorenMarcP: Cool. Then you need to poke one of the REVU admins. I always forget who they are.03:16
pkernMarcP: That only tells you that the FTP upload was successful.03:16
MarcPIs a there a cron or sthg for sync to the REVU system?03:17
pkernSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU for the admins.03:17
MarcPIf I just wait for some hours/days, will it work by itself?03:18
pkern"If you don't get a reply within 24 hours, the keyring is resynced nightly via cron, so you will be able to upload after this happens. It is a good idea to GetYourKeySigned, but it is not a requirement for using REVU."03:19
pkernWhenever nightly is... probably European...03:19
sorenpkern: I think right now, it's European, yes.03:20
MarcPsoren, pkern : Thanks for your help. I think I will just wait until tomorrow. (I'm in Europe)03:20
sorenpkern: It used to be in UTC-4, which must be in eastern U.S.03:20
pkernsoren: Do you know how it determines the email address? Is it the one specified in the first upload?03:21
sorenpkern: From the changes files.03:21
sorenpkern: Er.. ".changes file".03:21
sorenpkern: It has a Changed-by field. I would suppose that's what it uses.03:22
pkernREVU states "Please note, all times on this page are in UTC+4.". So probably the cron job is also put in the night of that timezone, most probably.03:22
siretartthe cron job runs every 5 mins03:22
pkernsiretart: The GPG import one?03:22
siretartadmins of revu are sistpoty and myself03:22
siretartah, the gpg import takes nearly an hour on the new hardware, so we run it approx at midnight03:22
MarcPmidnight where?03:23
siretartand the UTC+4 is bogus now, we run at MET after the move. the page hasn't been updated yet03:23
sorensiretart: ?!?!?! Wha... An hour?!?03:23
sorensiretart: MET?03:23
pkernsiretart: You only get the GPG key ids and need to fetch it from the keyserver?03:23
siretartsoren: about. the fetch-launchpad-keys deperately needs improvments03:23
siretartpkern: yes. patches for the script are welcome03:24
pkernsiretart: The Trac is down. (Or moved FWIW.)03:24
siretartsoren: middle european time03:24
sorensiretart: Ah. That's "CET" for the rest of us :)03:24
siretartrevu is no longer maintained in trac nor svn. we are using bzr and launchpad now03:24
siretartsoren: oh, I'm sorry :)03:24
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siretarttimezone is Europe/Berlin, to be precise03:24
pkernPeople are more used to CET...03:25
siretartsince the server is now hosted at the university of erlangen03:25
siretartok. will keep that in mind03:25
pkern(Or UTC+1... because Europe/Berlin is currently CEST, i.e. UTF+2)03:25
pkerns/UTF/UTC/ heh. ):03:25
sorensiretart: :)03:26
siretartMarcP: what did you upload?03:28
siretartario abviously03:28
sorensiretart: I don't know if gpg reuses open connections to the keyserver, but if so, you could just pass it all the key id's on a single command line.03:28
sorensiretart: Oh, I see there's >500 members in the group... Hm.. Well, a couple of hundred at a time might help.03:28
pkernsoren: Or only fetch those not yet present in the ring.03:29
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siretartsoren: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~revu-hackers/revu/trunk/annotate/sistpoty%40ubuntu.com-20070829220324-rdhjyq95xtjgk2jd?file_id=fetchlaunchpadkeys.py-20060622101814-d24e46fc40cf542003:29
sorenpkern: Well... We might want it to update the current ones to get new uid's and such.03:29
siretartpatches to that script are welcome. branch is at https://code.launchpad.net/~revu-hackers/revu/trunk03:29
sorensiretart: Yes, I was just looking at it :)03:30
pkernMe too.03:30
pkernsoren: If it matches on the UIDs... if not, there's no need to update.03:30
pkernsoren: And a single --refresh-keys would help, but that could take ages too.03:31
sorenpkern: And how would we know if it matches on the uid's?03:31
pkernsoren: But one recv-keys per key id probably regenerates the trust-db every time.03:31
siretart--refresh-keys would update all signatures. we are not interested in those03:31
siretartideally, the script would get a list of keys already fetched, and blacklist them from downloading03:32
pkernsiretart: You do the same now.03:32
pkernsiretart: As he said, only if the UIDs are not used, but if the check is only if the key is present in the ring.03:32
siretartpkern: yes. it they don't hurt. at least they didn't in the past03:32
pkernIf so, there is really no need to update the keys.03:32
MarcPSorry for all my stupid questions but : will I need to upload my package again when my GPG key will be synced or not?03:32
siretartoh, wait, we need to check if there are new uids. because people might want to use them in revu03:33
siretartMarcP: no, it is in the rejected queue and will be reprocessed manually when the next sync of the keyring has finished03:33
siretartMarcP: this is however a manuall process03:33
pkernWe need signatures anyway as we need the self-signatures.03:34
MarcPsiretart, ok thanks03:34
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pkern"import-clean" could help03:35
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pkernNo, --import-options import-minimal03:35
sorenHm.. gpg doesn't reuse the connection when fetching more than one key at a time.03:35
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sorensiretart: Oh, here's a thought.03:36
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sorensiretart: Just have the script fetch the key ids.03:37
sorensiretart: ..and tell the verification script that it should autofetch the key if it's in the list of key ids.03:37
pkernThat causes delays.03:38
sorenauto-key-retreive ftw.03:38
pkernMultiple GPG instances could be spawned at the same time writing to the keyring.03:38
sorenpkern: Only if it's not already there.03:38
sorenpkern: Yes, gpg will handle that just fine. A couple of seconds delay is not a problem.03:38
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siretartsoren: key autoretrieve is not an option. we want the keyring to expand only in a controlled way03:39
=== pkern is curious if "--trust-model always --trustdb /dev/null" would already give a speedup.
sorensiretart: Right. That's why it should check if it's in the list of accepted keys.03:40
pkernAnd keys are currently not removed neither.03:40
sorensiretart: "accepted keys" are the ones registered on launchpad to members of u-u-c.03:40
siretartpkern: well, atm at each sync the key is recreated completely. which is the main reason for the long runtime03:40
pkernsiretart: Where's the delete? It's just that all keys are currently refetched?03:41
siretartpkern: in the script which calls that one03:44
siretartrevu-key, IIRC03:44
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pkernsiretart: Right.03:46
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pkernHaha. Never ever set trustdb to /dev/null03:50
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pkernIt then tries to create lock files in /dev03:50
pkernIt sucks that the script is not keyboard interruptible...03:51
siretartI tend to do a 'ps auxf' in another shell and kill the 'right' process03:52
pkernThe bottleneck is neither CPU nor bandwidth... what a pity.03:53
siretartthe new machine is a rather old sparc hardware03:53
siretartso CPU might be an issue here. CPU is at 100% on that hardware03:54
pkernThe fetch keys did terminate after 1m26s03:54
pkernWith ~no CPU usage.03:54
siretarton your PC. not on my sparc :)03:54
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pkernKeyring at ~4.6M03:54
siretarton the PC at serverpronto, the sync took about 2-3 mins. right03:54
pkernOn my server, yes. Athlon 64 3700+ or something.03:54
siretartcpu             : TI UltraSparc IIi (Sabre)03:55
siretartCpu0Bogo        : 599.9703:55
siretartMMU Type        : Spitfire03:55
pkernFunny to say "new machine". ;o)03:55
ivokssiretart: nice one :)03:56
siretartivoks: :)03:56
siretartbut I have another sparc ready to be installed. the 'new new' one will be an ultra 3003:56
=== pkern never touched a sparc... and has seen one only once.
pkern(Apart of the Debian porter machines... *cough* But at max. I shelled on them once.)03:57
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siretartsparc is nice hardware.04:01
siretartthe machine used to be an old server of the department I work for04:02
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pkern4m51 with trustdb checks04:04
pkernsiretart: I get a decrease in time from 4m51 to 1m23 just with --no-auto-check-trustdb --trust-model always04:07
pkern(reproducible as far as I could see)04:07
pkern(in gpgopts)04:07
siretartwow. will try it here04:07
pkernBut you probably should pass --trust-model always when you check against the keyring, or do a seperate --check-trustdb. I would opt for the former, because the trust-model gives you no benefits.04:09
pkerndscverify already does "--always-trust"04:09
pkernSo you should be safe.04:10
pkern(Looking at the code it wouldn't find the trustdb anyway, lacking a gpg.conf)04:10
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ScottK2I got eclispe to build in my pbuilder.  Uploading now and we'll see how it does on the buildd's....04:17
siretarthmm.. the deployment ist funny here. need to talk with sistpoty about this04:17
siretartpkern: thanks in any case for that!04:17
ScottK2man-di: I couldn't get the auto regen to work, so in the end I just manually edited control and rules (my theory being that if at some point in the future it regenerates, it'll be right and if it doesn't, it'll work too.04:20
pkernsiretart: np (:04:21
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StevenKDoes anyone have a .raw file I can test gimp-ufraw with?04:22
StevenKActually, the fact that I can verify that it loads the plugin is enough for me.04:25
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ScottK2man-di: I had forgotten that we have LPIA now which I understand is an arch that Debian doesn't have.  How do you suggest I deal with /build/buildd/eclipse-3.2.2/source-tree/plugins/org.eclipse.rcp.source.linux.gtk.lpia/src not found.05:05
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siretartzul: you just ack'ed the cryptsetup UVF exception request. may I upload it now?05:28
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siretartpkern: real    12m32.640s05:30
siretartpkern: with your suggestion in. thats much better05:30
pkernsiretart: Nice. (:05:32
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JDahlI know this is not a support channel,  but anyway:  supposedly python-mode in emacs22 has been fixed:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-mode/+bug/134308,  but it still doesn't work for me.  Does it work for the rest of you?  (Also,  why doesn't emacs22 automatically load font-lock mode?)05:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134308 in python-mode "python-mode does not work" [Medium,Fix released] 05:40
ScottK2siretart: Yes.  I just set it to confirmed.  He does bugs mostly via e-mail and rarely does the status change.05:43
siretartah. ok05:48
JDahlactually,  I missed another bug-report that suggest to remove and purge python-mode,  so that emacs22 falls back on its own python-mode.  Sorry about the noise05:49
Adri2000ScottK2: if you're available, bug #138352 is looking for a second ack :)06:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 138352 in filezilla "[UVFe request]  filezilla 3.0.0-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13835206:01
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ScottK2Adri2000: There's no install log.  You've installed and tested this, right?06:04
Adri2000ScottK2: of course, installed and tested successfully06:06
ScottK2OK.  Just checking.06:07
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ScottK2Adri2000: Acked and approved.06:09
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Adri2000thanks, uploading now06:11
ScottK2No problem.  Gotta go reboot.06:12
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ScottK2If there are any motus out there that care about eclipse or Java and have ppc, eclipse looks to be finally building on other archs, but FTBFS on PPC for what looks like to my minimally educated eyes to be PPC specific.06:24
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ZombieHas FreeDroid 0.10.2 been backported?06:30
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Ngare there any recommended docs for packaging up really simple python things?07:03
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man-diScottK: mainly its only changing patches/eclipse-add-ppc64-sparc64-s390-s390x.dpatch accordingly07:42
man-diScottK: that should be it, hopefully07:42
bszmydGuys, I want to get a new upstream is there anything else I need to do other than create a bug, attach the diffstat and changes diff to it, subscribe it to the motu-uvf team, and upload the sources.changes file to REVU?07:43
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bszmyderr "upstream version of a package"07:43
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asisakHeya MOTUs!08:13
pochuHey asisak!08:21
asisakHi pochu!08:24
geserHi asisak08:24
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norsettoScottK: you sure about the 2 acks for bug 134552? I don't mind .....11:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134552 in yappy "Please merge yappy (1.8-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13455211:00
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ScottKnorsetto: Thanks.11:28
=== ScottK put it back to NEW.
ScottKnorsetto: Did you see my poker-network troubles?11:30
ScottKI think the predepends is not, perhaps, the way to do.11:30
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norsettoScottK: I'm not sure I understand the problem.11:35
ScottKnorsetto: I didn't look at it in detail, but the package (pre-inst, I think) was trying to do mysql db config stuff before mysql anything was installed.11:36
ScottKIt didn't go well.11:36
norsettoScottK: but why would that be a pre-depend problem!?11:37
ScottKI'm guess that it was getting done before any of the depenencies were installed.11:37
ScottKI've got to go chase after my 4 year old, so we can discuss more later.11:38
norsettoScottK: sure11:38
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norsettoscottK: we better talk about this tomorrow, I'm really too tired to do anything but sleep right now :-)11:49
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tonyyarussoAny of you folks know how to get free computer hardware from corporations when it ends its useful lifecycle for them and get pulled from rotation?12:04
zulcheck google?12:04
ajmitchtonyyarusso: know someone inside & talk to them nicely?12:05
tonyyarussoajmitch: hmm, probably.12:05
=== tonyyarusso doesn't have a connection like that - yet
ajmitchget one12:05
zulbut nothing in life is free12:05
tonyyarussozul: seems debatable :P12:08
jussi01tonyyarusso: all you do is ring said company in question, say you are a recycling company and you will remove their old pc's for only xx...12:18
tonyyarussojussi01: heh, true12:18
=== tonyyarusso would rather be honest though
jussi01well go get a business name...12:18
=== jussi01 goes to bed...lol
tonyyarussojussi01: You do make a decent point though, especially since our state legislature _just_ passes some new regulations cracking down on electronic waste12:19
jussi01:) whee do you live tonyyarusso?12:19
tonyyarussojussi01: Minnesota, USA12:19
=== jussi01 is in Finland
jussi01anyway... bedtime...12:20
jussi01nite all12:20

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