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[02:35] <Jucato> ryanakca: did you find the service menu?
[02:40] <LaserJock> anybody know if there's a good gpg agent for KDE?
[02:41] <LaserJock> I use seahorse in Gnome and for some reason it keeps wanting to show up in KDE too
[02:41] <Jucato> kgpg?
[02:43] <ScottK> LaserJock: I just use gpg-agent and pinentry-qt.
[02:45] <LaserJock> ScottK: doh, I always thought pinentry-qt had something to do with a qt frontend for pine
[02:45] <ScottK> Nope.
[02:45] <ScottK> Heh.
[02:45] <LaserJock> that's what I get for not looking at the description
[02:45] <LaserJock> pin-entry not pine-entry ;-)
[02:46] <ScottK> Yeah.
[02:46] <LaserJock> ScottK: does that work for ssh keys as well?
[02:46] <ScottK> No.  There's ssh-agent for that, IIRC.
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[03:50] <LaserJock> has anybody been experiencing hard lockups in gutsy KDE?
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[03:52] <ScottK> No.
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[03:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I had two nasty ones last night
[03:58] <LaserJock> required some fsck on reboot
[03:59] <Hobbsee> greetings LaserJock!
[03:59] <Jucato> greetings Hobbsee!
[03:59] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato!
[03:59] <Jucato> live long and prosper!
[03:59] <Jucato> :)
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[04:29] <Hobbsee> wow, g-p-m is screwy
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[04:46] <LaserJock> argg, gutsy KDE is quite unstable for me :(
[04:46] <LaserJock> maybe I need a reinstall
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[09:30] <viviersf> Riddell ping
[09:31] <Jucato> he's gone for 2 weeks afaik
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[09:50] <jeroenvrp> how can I close bugs in launchpad!?
[09:50] <jeroenvrp> or is that not possible
[09:51] <Jucato> fix released, fix committed, or invalid I think
[09:52] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: ok thanks
[09:52] <Jucato> #ubuntu-bugs might have more definite answers
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[10:44] <_StefanS_> morning
[10:44] <Jucato> moin _StefanS_
[10:45] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato
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[10:46] <Jucato> oooh pgquiles is in here :)
[10:47] <pgquiles> Jucato: hi
[10:47] <pgquiles> Jucato: am I so famous?
[10:47] <pgquiles> s/so/that
[10:47] <Tm_T> bah
[10:47] <Jucato> hahah! I wouldn't know. but I do remember you. :P
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[12:10] <tseliot> hi, can anybody tell me how to embed Adept in my application, please?
[12:10] <tseliot> I know I can use this command with Synaptic:
[12:10] <tseliot> /usr/sbin/synaptic --hide-main-window --non-interactive --parent-window-id
[12:10] <tseliot> I would like to use Synaptic for GNOME and Adept for KDE
[12:11] <mhb> tseliot: adept-batch is the tool you seek
[12:11] <mhb> tseliot: IIRC adept-batch takes a apt-get like syntax -- adept-batch install, adept-batch remove and so on
[12:12] <tseliot> mhb: very interesting. Thanks!
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[12:21] <larsivi> siretart: you sounded like you have some knowledge about the m1330 .. seems like I have no sound with gutsy?
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[12:29] <larsivi> siretart: forget that, it's working just now at least
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[12:38] <larsivi> hmm, but there seems to be hanging/latency involved when using sound ...
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[12:49] <siretart> we noticed that there might be problems with sound after suspend
[12:50] <larsivi> hmm, I haven't used suspend yet
[12:57] <larsivi> siretart: all the sound control buttons at the top works with amarok, except the mute button (I get the message on screen though)
[01:11] <Lure> hi all
[01:11] <Lure> I have two new packages to test in my ppa:
[01:12] <Lure> 1. new kdepim snapshot (if no regression, we would upload it before StringFreeze)
[01:12] <kwwii> anyone here tried to update from feisty to gutsy?
[01:12] <Lure> 2. new libgphoto2 merged from debian (will go for UVF if it works for people)
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[01:13] <Lure> if you are kdepim user of using digital camera programs to download photos, test would be appretiated
[01:13] <Lure> allee: ^^^
[01:14] <Lure> my ppa is here: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive
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[01:46] <Jucato> am I the only one not being able to use any kde-guidance module in System Settings? I can only use them if I run them individually with kdesu
[01:47] <Jucato> I always get "Library files for "libpython2.5.so" not found in paths."
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[01:52] <Lure> Jucato: works for me
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[01:53] <Jucato> hm.. ok this is funny. if I start an individual module from the mini-CLI, I also get the python error. but if I start it from Konsole, it runs normally
[01:54] <stdin> Jucato: seems it needs python2.5-dev installed, you have that?
=== Jucato will try
[01:55] <Jucato> but why?
[01:55] <stdin> I have no clue, but when i mv's the symlink it gave the error you got
[01:56] <Jucato> which symlink?
[01:56] <stdin> libpython2.5.so
[01:57] <stdin> /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so -> /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1 -> /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1.0
[01:57] <Jucato> ok now it works. thanks stdin
[01:57] <Jucato> but the bigger question now is why would it need a -dev package just to run it? :(
[01:58] <stdin> don't know, it really shouldn't
[01:58] <Jucato> yeah... I know it shouldn't either :(
=== Jucato wonders if Lure has any idea...
[01:59] <Lure> stdin: you need to check with doko in #ubuntu-devel, he was changing this recently
[01:59] <Lure> stdin: some stuff was moved between regular and -dev package, maybe this is still not complete
=== Jucato wonders if that's for me too
[02:00] <Jucato> ah so it seems that /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so is the missing symlink, if python2.5-dev is not installed...
[02:01] <stdin> yep
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[02:04] <Jucato> stdin: oh you asked already?
[02:04] <stdin> Jucato: yeah
[02:04] <Jucato> oh ok...
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[03:12] <bobesponja> hey
[03:12] <bobesponja> is there a torrent for tribe5? can't find it
[03:12] <bobesponja> oopd ok, found it :)
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[03:22] <Tonio_> hi all :)
[03:23] <Jucato> hi Tonio_!
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_!
[03:24] <Lure> hi Tonio_, Hobbsee!
[03:24] <Jucato> hi Lure, hi Hobbsee
[03:24] <Lure> can you test new kdepim snapshot and libgphoto2 new upstream release?
[03:24] <Lure> both are cnadidates for gutsy
[03:24] <Lure> they are in mmy ppa
[03:30] <nixternal> good morning kubuntuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[03:30] <Jucato> gooooooooood morning vista!
[03:30] <Jucato> er... I meant nixternal
[03:30] <nixternal> don't make me hack you with my vista box!
[03:30] <nixternal> it is 1337
[03:31] <Jucato> ugh! that would be terrible indeed :P
[03:32] <ScottK> nixternal: I heard you were working on a Vista pbuilder how-to.
[03:33] <manchicken> Re bug #109700, is Marco Maini troubleshooting or just fixing?  It looks like he's troubleshooting it, but he's assigning them to himself...  Strange.
[03:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109700 in adept "Adept Manager and Adept Updater don't use PROXY SETTINGS when checking for distro updates" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109700
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[03:33] <Hobbsee> manchicken: usually troubleshooting
[03:33] <Hobbsee> it's a habit of the bugsquad to say "i'm assigning to myself, as i'm troubleshooting this one"
[03:33] <Hobbsee> of course, you're welcome to hijack, to fix the thing
[03:34] <manchicken> Well I don't think we ever decided how we wanted to fix this one.  We've slated it for discussion before, but I don't recall ever actually sorting out a fix.
[03:34] <nixternal> hahah, vista pbuilder how-to..that is funny right there, I don't care who you are
[03:35] <Jucato> lol
[03:35] <manchicken> nixternal: For someone who hates vista so much, you seem to talk about it a lot :P
[03:35] <Jucato> the more you hate, the more you love :)
[03:35] <manchicken> Hobbsee: My solution to this problem would be a little python feller who popped up and changed your apt proxy settings :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> manchicken: :)
[03:36] <manchicken> Hobbsee: But I'm not sure if the way we want to solve it is through apt or not.
[03:36] <manchicken> I can't think of a better way to fix it though.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[03:37] <Jucato> btw, the env/ and share/ are back, but the home/ is gone?
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[04:27] <bddebian> Heya
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[06:31] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee, Jucato: Hiya
[06:32] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech
[06:32] <DaSkreech> how are you?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> I know Jucato is hot
[06:32] <Jucato> O.o
[06:32] <DaSkreech> all the young ladies are checking him out :)
[06:32] <Jucato> -_-
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[06:41] <claydoh> night Jucato!
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Night
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[07:43] <allee> Lure: bad news about libgphoto2 2.4.0 (with cannon powershot A40).   gphoto2 --auto-detect -L  works once, next try hangs after autodetecting :(  2 x Ctrl-c to hard abort.  Then it works again, 2nd hangs. etc.   I see same in digikam :(
[07:46] <allee> Lure: Downgrading libgphoto to 2.3.1-5ubuntu1 and hang on 2nd try is gone and works as expected again
[07:53] <manchicken> Would anybody be opposed to my fix for the proxy settings issue in Adept be a Python proggy that manipulates the apt settings?
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[07:55] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Any reason why?
[07:55] <manchicken> :)
[07:56] <manchicken> I think it should be a program that is accessible outside of adept, too, so that people could manage their apt settings outside of adept.  And if there's already such a program, I vote for using that instead of writing a new one :)
[07:56] <DaSkreech> I don't like snakes or Comedy shows?
[07:56] <manchicken> DaSkreech: But snakes love you, and comedy shows love everybody.
[07:57] <ScottK> manchicken: Are the setting Adept settings or apt settings?
[07:57] <manchicken> ScottK: Well, the way that libapt works, I'm thinking that the only real solution would be to modify apt settings.
[07:57] <manchicken> ScottK: If you've got other ideas, however, I'm all ears.
[07:58] <manchicken> Wow, I apologize... that was a very poorly constructed sentence.
[07:58] <ScottK> Then I think that whatever you do would have to be part of the apt package as one package may not modify settings of another package.
[07:58] <manchicken> ScottK: Even if they're system settings?
[07:58] <ScottK> I guess that's the real question is where do the settings live?
[07:58] <manchicken> I suppose that makes sense :)
[07:59] <manchicken> ScottK: It'd be the apt configs for sure.
[07:59] <manchicken> ScottK: I'm wondering if we could make it a package like apt-settings or something like that.
[08:00] <manchicken> Because we have several instances where a directly-related package modifies the settings of another program.
[08:00] <ScottK> AFAIK by policy they aren't supposed to do that.
[08:00] <manchicken> Such as compiz, KDE, etc.
[08:00] <ScottK> There is a way aroung it ...
[08:01] <ScottK> Make a command line script (let's call it apt-proxyconf) that changes the apt proxy setting.
[08:01] <ScottK> Make that script part of the apt package.
[08:02] <ScottK> Then the adept postinst or whatever you want can take input from the user and call that script to change the actual setting.
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[08:02] <ScottK> Essentially the apt-proxyconf script serves as a public API to other packages for the setting that can be documented and stable.
[08:03] <ScottK> Does that make sense?
[08:04] <manchicken> Would a python package be enough on that you think?
[08:04] <manchicken> BTW, we just got the baby's kubuntu body-suit thingy via UPS :)
[08:04] <manchicken> It's cute.
[08:04] <ScottK> A python script could certainly do it, but it'd have to be part of the apt package.
[08:05] <manchicken> Who would I have to lobby for that?
[08:05] <manchicken> Because IIRC, Synaptic has this same problem... or does it?
[08:05] <ScottK> mvo I think.  I'd look at the apt debian/changelog and see who's been uploading it.
[08:05] <manchicken> If libapt were documented.... :)
[08:05] <ScottK> Dunno.  I've never used Gnome.
[08:05] <ScottK> python-apt is documented though ...
[08:05] <ScottK> Or whatever it's called.
[08:08] <manchicken> Oooh, python-apt already has config interfaces.
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[09:34] <Lure> allee: then probably not worth the pain to upgrade
[09:34] <Lure> allee: thanks for testing
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[10:32] <marseillai> hi
[10:32] <marseillai> i've just download this svn : https://movida.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/movida/trunk/tmp/ it's a qt4 apps and i don't know how to build it... anyone could help me ?
[10:34] <marseillai> oki found
[10:35] <marseillai> sorry for the stupid question
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[11:19] <allee> Lure: kdepim in ubuntu repo shows same prob with the huge imap folder.  So no regression in your pkgs
[11:20] <Lure> allee: good to know & thanks for testing
[11:20] <allee> Lure: np.
[11:20] <Lure> allee: will probably push new kdepim tommorow through Tonio_/Hobbsee
[11:20] <allee> argl.  Strigi back at 100% cpu without disk io :(
[11:27] <Tonio_> Lure: ping me no pb
[11:27] <Lure> allee: I think strigi has some infinite loop bug
[11:27] <Lure> Tonio_: kdepim from my ppa is candidate for upload (UVFe given by Riddell)
[11:30] <allee> Lure: mhmm, but it strigi finished on my D600 3 hour ago
[11:31] <Lure> allee: some claim that strigi is also indexing ~/.strigi (own index), which I doubt
[11:32] <Lure> allee: it crashes regularly here, but I did not have time to look into details yet
[11:33] <allee> Lure: ahh, D600 has 12 G home and stripi used ~ 50 min cpu time.  D830 has 91 G home, so I should be patient until several cpu hours are consumed ;)
[11:34] <Lure> allee: crossing fingers that it does not crash on you ;-)
[11:36] <allee> :)
[11:58] <Tonio_> Lure: oki I'll have a look tomorrow at work, please ping me, I may forget...
[11:58] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks, will do
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[12:19] <DaSkreech> I cant get strigi to index :-(
[12:19] <DaSkreech> but then I'm on a live cd so I shouldn't count .)
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[12:20] <mhb> oh yeah, who's the BAD ass
[12:20] <mhb> :o)
[12:21] <mhb> excuse me, I am really happy about a bug that is close to be fixed
[12:21] <mhb> ScottK: around?
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