[01:23] <nemik> jml: hadn't really noticed that. fonts seemed ok to me
[01:24] <dispraekailo> Different fonts are used in gusty
[01:27] <dispraekailo> Which is the source of my problem in freenx! :o
[01:27] <dispraekailo> Thanks for your question lol
[01:39] <Tsukasa> hey guys... is it possible to install gutsy with reiser4 filesystem?
[01:45] <dispraekailo> Ya
[01:46] <dispraekailo> Filesystems do not affect distros unless the kernel included does not support them.
[01:46] <Tsukasa> does gutsy have a kernel which supports reiser4
[01:46] <dispraekailo> Yes.
[01:47] <dispraekailo> Unless I've been running reiser3 this whole time.. *laughs*
[01:47] <Tsukasa> sweet
[01:47] <Tsukasa> is it just an install option on the livecd?
[01:47] <dispraekailo> reiserfs ya; it doesn't specify if it's 3 or 4 though
[01:48] <Tsukasa> that would make me think its 3 then >_>
[01:48] <DanaG> I wonder if there's a reiserfs for FUSE.
[01:48] <dispraekailo> Yeah, 3.6.19
[01:49] <Tsukasa> hmm no plans in including reiser 4 gui install support before release of gutsy?
[01:49] <dispraekailo> It'd be wise to put / on reiser3 anyways... you can always make /home reiser4 later.
[01:49] <Tsukasa> yeah i guess
[01:50] <Tsukasa> resier4 looks pretty stable though
[01:50] <dispraekailo> Yeah, I used it on my gentoo box for quite some time.
[01:50] <hydrogen> mm
[01:50] <hydrogen> it isn't
[01:50] <n0yd> Tsukasa: Heh, you are asking the same question I was about to ask I suppose? :-P
[01:50] <n0yd> It's stable here, running Crux.
[01:50] <hydrogen> and furthermore
[01:50] <hydrogen> its not going anywhere
[01:50] <dispraekailo> Oh lawd.. crux..
[01:50] <n0yd> 1.5TB Raid5
[01:50] <hydrogen> so its a dead end
[01:50] <dispraekailo> I haven't used that in forever xD
[01:51] <DanaG> Hmm, just noticed the name. ./hack//SIGN -- I didn't care for the show that greatly, but the music is good.
[01:51] <n0yd> hydrogen: Dvelopment hasn't ceased just because hans is locked up.
[01:51] <pwuertz> sounds like reiser4 ;)
[01:51] <hydrogen> n0yd: no, but your relying on a third party company (rather than the general linux community) to develop a driver
[01:51] <Tsukasa> DanaG, its fitting for an internet handle though and its obscure enough that i can sometimes get it
[01:51] <n0yd> There is more than just Hans to namesys.
[01:52] <hydrogen> which is not really your best bet
[01:52] <DanaG> Plus, it can be used for either gender, if you consider the story.
[01:52] <n0yd> hydrogen: And the general community doesn't help with Reiser4? I doubt that one, it's an FOSS project, the community is free to work on it as they see fit.
[01:52] <hydrogen> n0yd: no, it doesn'
[01:53] <hydrogen> t
[01:53] <hydrogen> and doesn't want to
[01:53] <hydrogen> based on the amount of times it has been rejected from mainline
[01:53] <Tsukasa> well its actually feminine in connotation so not really... the fact that he was a guy in the game would be a little weird to a native japanese speaker
[01:53] <n0yd> hydrogen: Maybe the majority on the LKML doesn't want to.  But I'd disagree that no one in the community helps with development.
[01:54] <hydrogen> got any proof to back that up?
[01:54] <Tsukasa> but its like a car being a feminine connotation, it doesnt have the societal stigma of a gender attached to it
[01:54] <Tsukasa> anyways
[01:55] <n0yd> hydrogen: You got any proof to back up your claims? My claim comes from the fact that there are people that use Reiser4, and people still commiting bug fixes.
[01:55] <Tsukasa> hydrogen, reiser4 is much faster then ext3, why not use it
[01:55] <Tsukasa> and technically superior as well
[01:56] <hydrogen> n0yd: I already gave you my proof.  Its been rejected from mainline repeatedly.  Your proof that there are people using reiser4 has nothing to do with the community developing it, nor does people at namesys committing
[01:56] <hydrogen> Tsukasa: theres where you go wrong
[01:56] <n0yd> To say no one in the community cares for Reiser4 enough to help with its development is preposterous
[01:56] <hydrogen> ext3 is just as fast as a general purpose filesystem, reiser4's speed is grossly exagerated
[01:56] <dispraekailo> No..
[01:57] <n0yd> hydrogen: Just because it's been rejected from the main kernel tree means nothing as for saying there isn't a community behind Reiser4.
[01:57] <dispraekailo> Reiser4 is blazing fast in comparison.
[01:57] <n0yd> lmao
[01:57] <Tsukasa> hydrogen, for general system use maybe, but for specific usecases involving numerous small files it is indeed superior
[01:57] <n0yd> You haven't backed up youir claim one bit, all ytour doing is making good flame bait.
[01:57] <hydrogen> Tsukasa: and there are not all that many specific usecases where one has numberous small files
[01:57] <Tsukasa> hydrogen, usenet.
[01:57] <hydrogen> wow
[01:57] <Tsukasa> loss
[01:57] <hydrogen> I can't spell tonight
[01:57] <hydrogen> :/
[01:57] <hydrogen> usenet died out about 10 years ago
[01:57] <hydrogen> wayy before reiser4 did
[01:57] <Tsukasa> hahahahahahaha
[01:58] <Tsukasa> wow you know nothing
[01:58] <hydrogen> okay
[01:58] <hydrogen> we've got two people
[01:58] <n0yd> And you realize with the invention of the NZB, usenet is actually becoming more popular.
[01:58] <n0yd> hydrogen: go into ##linux and ask how many people use usenet.
[01:58] <n0yd> lmao
[01:59] <Tsukasa> n0yd, hes going to get pelted with rocks if he asks that question in # linux
[01:59] <Tsukasa> metaphorically.
[01:59] <n0yd> Tsukasa: I'm still waiting for him to give some proof as to his "Reiser4 has no community support" claim.
[02:00] <n0yd> There are more developers than just the zealots that troll the LKML all day long.
[02:22] <Frogzoo> how much disk do I need to compile linux-source? 3gig so far isn't enough
[02:29] <Pici> Anyone have a working wacom tablet in Gutsy? Mine is having issues.
[03:13] <chrissturm> hey guys! I have set the model  to generic 1920x1200 in "screens and graphics", but in the available resolutions i get 1920x1440 instead.
[03:17] <snadge> maybe someone in here can help me..  how do i make the nvidia-new kernel module the default loaded module?
[03:18] <beg1689> sup
[03:19] <d4rkmonkey> snadge add it to /etc/modules ?
[03:20] <beg1689> im just wondering if anyone else is having the same issue as me, opengl apps fail completely with compiz running, they either have a black screen or just crash X completely
[03:20] <beg1689> are opengl apps supposed to be working or do i have it screwed up?
[03:22] <d4rkmonkey> beg1689 happens sometimes to me too...
[03:22] <d4rkmonkey> beg1689 only some though.
[03:22] <beg1689> not sometimes, always
[03:22] <beg1689> most things are blank, some things just crash X instantly
[03:22] <d4rkmonkey> beg1689 what video card do you have?
[03:22] <beg1689> gf7600
[03:22] <d4rkmonkey> Company?
[03:22] <beg1689> nvidia?
[03:23] <beg1689> geforce 7600
[03:23] <d4rkmonkey> oh gf == geforce...
[03:23] <beg1689> id imagine its a driver issue
[03:23] <snadge> i have to stop gdm, manually unload the kernel module.. modprobe nvidia-new.. restart gdm, then X works again.. otherwise i get black screen
[03:23] <d4rkmonkey> yeah, nvidia's aren't the best supported video cards.
[03:23] <beg1689> i just wanted to know if it was a common problem or if it was just me
[03:23] <snadge> even though i have nvidia-new in /etc/modules
[03:23] <beg1689> im not using the new one, just the regular
[03:24] <d4rkmonkey> beg1689 you could always try nvidia-new
[03:24] <beg1689> if i make an SDL program that just creates an opengl context and then exits, it just crashes X
[03:24] <beg1689> yea i guess i will
[03:24] <snadge> im tempted to just dist-upgrade to gutsy, but then i might break other things which are working fine
[03:24] <beg1689> compiz works beautifully other then that though
[03:24] <beg1689> i just made a .xsession soley for compiz, and i load gnome when i want a regular desktop
[03:24] <beg1689> i use avant window navigator and stuff, its nice
[03:24] <beg1689> and Expo is pretty sweet
[03:24] <d4rkmonkey> snadge It shouldn't break anything... also why ask for help in here if you aren't using gutsy now?
[03:25] <snadge> d4rkmonkey: unfortunately nobody could help me in #ubuntu :(
[03:25] <beg1689> i never tryed doing a dist upgrade, i figure it might be messy, and id want to have all the new default settings for gnome and stuff that a new distro might have changed
[03:25] <d4rkmonkey> snadge yeah... but this is for gutsy help, and generally if people are in here, they are in #ubuntu too.
[03:25] <beg1689> i just rename my home and reinstall
[03:26] <beg1689> i guess ill look at nvidia-new, i assumed it was for 8 series cards
[03:26] <snadge> how do i "ban" nvidia and nvidia-legacy module.. perhaps then nvidia-new will be chosen by default?
[03:27] <beg1689> ban?
[03:27] <beg1689> you mean prevent from installing?
[03:27] <snadge> yes... for some retarded reason, even though nvidia-new is installed.. it chooses the nvidia.ko kernel module, instead of nvidia-new.ko
[03:27] <snadge> and consequently X fails to start
[03:27] <beg1689> uninstall the old one then
[03:28] <snadge> how do i remove the nvidia driver but keep the nvidia new one installed?
[03:28] <beg1689> it doesnt let you?
[03:28] <d4rkmonkey> snadge how did you install them?
[03:28] <beg1689> im gonna try that right now
[03:28] <beg1689> so ill let you know ;)
[03:28] <snadge> d4rkmonkey: im not actually sure now ;)
[03:28] <beg1689> snadge
[03:28] <d4rkmonkey> snadge well, that sucks.
[03:28] <beg1689> i dont know what your problem is but...
[03:28] <snadge> i used apt-get
[03:28] <snadge> i _think_
[03:28] <beg1689> when i choose to install nvidia-glx-new it removes nvidia-glx for me
[03:29] <d4rkmonkey> snadge then apt-get remove it? I don't know..?
[03:29] <beg1689> i *cant* have them both
[03:29] <snadge> nvidia-glx is not installed.. its the restricted drivers that are causing the problem
[03:29] <snadge> all 3 drivers are installed with that
[03:29] <snadge> you cant just install the new one, or the legacy one.. you get them all
[03:30] <beg1689> hm?
[03:30] <beg1689> i see each one as its own package
[03:30] <beg1689> i just installed only the new one
[03:30] <beg1689> ill restart X and see where that gets me
[03:33] <beg1689> ok...
[03:33] <beg1689> well that didnt go well
[03:33] <beg1689> but apparently theres another feature of gutsy i didnt know about
[03:34] <d4rkmonkey> whats that?
[03:34] <beg1689> X didnt start but instead of a disgusting blue screen it started X in really low res and presented the new X config tool
[03:34] <beg1689> so now im in e17
[03:34] <beg1689> at what seems to be 640x480
[03:34] <snadge> i just reinstalled linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic (feisty)
[03:44] <snadge> ok.. i've found that if i reinstall nvidia-glx-new, then X will start
[03:44] <snadge> but if i restart X.. i just get a black screen
[03:45] <snadge> so installing nvidia-glx-new does something to fix the problem.. once
[03:51] <h1st0> So how exactly do I found out if a bug has been reported?  It appears if yout ry to run warsow fullscreen with desktop effects enabled it restarts X
[03:52] <hydrogen> !bug
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[03:55] <beg1689> sup
[03:55] <beg1689> nvidia-glx failed miserably
[03:56] <beg1689> so i installed the newest driver from nvidias installer, works great now
[03:56] <beg1689> which is strange because its the same version
[03:56] <beg1689> using identical xorg.conf
[03:57] <beg1689> now to try an opengl app...
[03:57] <beg1689> bah, blank screen
[04:00] <beg1689> glxgears crashes X...
[04:00] <beg1689> (same as before)
[04:24] <Andre> oi
[04:25] <Andre> tem alguem aiii
[04:25] <Andre> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[04:25] <Andre> que sala de bate papo mais doida
[04:26] <Andre> art
[04:26] <hydrogen> !br
[04:26] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[04:26] <Andre> o que
[04:26] <Andre> ???????????
[04:27] <Andre>  :|
[04:28] <h1st0> I have little faith those bugs will ever be fixed.
[04:29] <h1st0> Whatever they recently did to Xorg is causing all sorts of weird bugs with desktop-effects enabled.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> d-e changes a lot as well.  but hopefully they will be
[04:30] <h1st0> well people on launchpad are telling the bug reporters to ask nvidia for a fix.  When nvidia didn't create the problem.
[04:30] <h1st0> The nvidia drivers haven't changed jsut the X
[04:30] <Toma-> which bug is this?
[04:31] <h1st0> let me find it hold up
[04:31] <h1st0> bug #130325
[04:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx]  3D GL apps crash X when using compiz due to unmaked ABI change (gutsy)" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130325
[04:32] <h1st0> There are several clones the other thing that was messed up was the other bug I reported #13508
[04:33] <h1st0> err the other bug I reported was bug #130508
[04:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130508 in ubuntu "[sync request]  sync ttf-sil-yi from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130508
[04:33] <h1st0> wait thats not it.
[04:33] <h1st0> bug #138508
[04:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138508 in desktop-effects "(gusty) gnome panel displayed running wine apps full screen with desktop effects enabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138508
[04:33] <h1st0> there ya go
[04:34] <h1st0> Those are two new issues
[04:34] <osito> anyone can help me figure out why even if I seem to join my wifi network I can't ping my router or browse the internet?
[04:34] <h1st0> osito: what type of card do you have?
[04:35] <h1st0> osito: lspci | grep Ethernet
[04:36] <osito> hlst0, I'm actually trying to figure out this bugger Bug #92088
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92088 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "this does not work with dell 1390" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92088
[04:36] <osito> Its Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[04:37] <osito> I've now figured out the missing firmware bit, but even if it now receives DHCP offers just fine, I can't ping the router or other boxes
[04:37] <osito> nor access the web
[04:38] <Toma-> h1st0: it reads like a sad state of affairs. this is how it goes -> GFX card -> nvidiadriver -> Xorg.... and if nvidia is crashing X, then I dare say its an nvidia problem.
[04:41] <Toma-> ahh theres an MS troll on this thread
[04:42] <tehk> Anyone here compiling their own kernel with mactel stuff in it?
[04:44] <osito> hlst0, any suggestion?
[04:45] <osito> anyone missing the icon on Xchat GNOME?
[04:49] <tehk> Anyone know how to make sure gutsy starts with the applesmc module?
[05:00] <osito> can you confirm bug 135197
[05:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135197 in xchat-gnome "Icon missing" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135197
[05:00] <osito> h1st0, any idea on my wifi woes?
[05:01] <h1st0> Toma-: nvidia driver hasn't change
[05:02] <h1st0> osito: you just need to install the firmware in /lib/firmware/`uname -r`
[05:03] <osito> the firmware is not missing anymore, but when I attach to the wifi routher I can't surf the web
[05:15] <osito> h1st0, any output you might need?
[05:20] <h1st0> osito: where did you get the firmware?
[05:21] <osito> http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o
[05:21] <h1st0> osito: and you extrqacted from there.
[05:21] <osito> yep
[05:22] <osito> you can see my exact commands at the bug 92088
[05:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92088 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "this does not work with dell 1390" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92088
[05:22] <h1st0> how many bcm files do you ahve in /lib/firmware
[05:23] <osito> 16
[05:25] <h1st0> osito: k hold up reading the bug
[05:25] <h1st0> osito: so you are just getting the errors that the firmware isn't loaded in dmesg?
[05:26] <osito> no, these are gone, now
[05:26] <osito> I can now use nm-applet and join the wireless network just fine
[05:26] <h1st0> osito: okay did you rmmod and modprobe since then or restart?
[05:26] <h1st0> k
[05:27] <osito> I get an IP and all, but if I ping the router I get host unreachable
[05:27] <h1st0> is your ip one inside of the range of the router?
[05:30] <osito> it is
[05:32] <osito> I actually did a dhclient and it went fine
[05:32] <osito> but after the IP assignment I can only pong the laptop itself, not the router
[05:33] <h1st0> osito: you had to manually use dhclient?
[05:33] <osito> no I did it as a test
[05:34] <h1st0> osito: have you tried bringing the interface down and back up?
[05:34] <osito> no
[05:34] <h1st0> osito: well try that do ifconfig find out which interface it is then sudo ifdown eth(x)
[05:34] <osito> any other ideas so I can test in a batch
[05:34] <h1st0> osito: sudo ifup eth(X)
[05:35] <h1st0> then ifconfig again see if its getting an ip
[05:35] <h1st0> if it isn't then sudo dhclient
[05:36] <h1st0> then make sure the ip is something along the lines of the router i.e. if router is 192.168.0.XXX  then net interface should be 192.168.0.XXX and it should be pointed at the router with a gateway matching the ip of the router.
[05:37] <osito> anything else?
[05:37] <h1st0> osito: maybe a restart if all that isn't working.
[05:37] <osito> I'll lost connection while I try
[05:38] <osito> thanks anyhow
[05:38] <h1st0> k
[06:05] <effie_jayx> does bcm43xx-firmwarecutter work on gutsy yet?
[06:06] <cld2> I know this is a bit out of line but... Im running 2.6.22-11 server on my laptop and when I do aptitude install nvidia-glx-new it trying to install 2.6.22-10 kernel-* pkgs, I also tried desktop and with the 2.6.22-11 kernel and the restriced drivers tool for gnome it installed the 2.6.22-11 kernel-* bits. any ideas or should I just stfu. thanks.
[06:08] <scizzo-> cld2: you mean that its the wrong kernel name?
[06:08] <scizzo-> cld2: I am using the nvidia-glx-new at home without problems.....its other things that is not working correct on the system I have
[06:09] <cld2> scizzo-: are you using desktop or server?
[06:11] <scizzo-> both
[06:12] <cld2> scizzo-: on server when you did an aptitude install nvidia-glx-new did it install the current linux-image pkg?
[06:13] <scizzo-> nope
[06:13] <scizzo-> its a lamp server so
[06:13] <cld2> oh
[06:13] <cld2> ok
[06:13] <cld2> nm
[06:14] <scizzo-> I am running nvidia-glx-new on desktop sp
[06:14] <cld2> when i installed desktop it worked fine, which is strange. oh well.
[06:26] <MaxLogic> hey my virutal desktops are in two rows, and I need to get them back onto one row so cube will work properly
[06:26] <MaxLogic> how do I do that? I can't seem to find the options anywhere
[06:26] <MaxLogic> like right now it's on 2x2 but I need 1x4.
[06:27] <snadge> set desktop to 1, horizontal viewports to 4
[06:27] <snadge> in ccsm
[06:27] <snadge> sudo aptitude install compizconfigsettings-manager if you dont have it
[06:28] <MaxLogic> I have it, I just can't find the setting
[06:29] <MaxLogic> I found it
[07:44] <underwatercow> Is there a reason to install Gnash over Flash?
[07:46] <underwatercow> Or would you only install Gnash if you couldn't install Flash?
[07:48] <nemik> if you care about having only open-source on your computer then get gnash
[07:48] <nemik> otherwise flash itself is much better
[08:27] <fuoco> anyone running gutsy on powerpc?
[08:31] <DanaG> Hmm, anybody here have Netgear WGR614?  I had one, but got sick of its bugginess and replaced it with something with DD-WRT.  However, now I can't remember: does the Netgear have an option to act as a wireless client bridge?
[08:47] <KenSentMe> I don't get any startup sounds when running Gutsy, is that normal?
[08:47] <KenSentMe> Sound works in other places like Banshee
[08:52] <fuoco> what needs to be the size of the livecd? can i burn a 707MB image these days?
[08:53] <hylje> 707mb, heh
[08:53] <hylje> that ought to be a mistake for a livecd
[08:53] <h1st0> KenSentMe: yeah they don't ahve any
[08:54] <h1st0> hylje: hrm.. yeah that doesn't sound right.
[08:54] <hylje> ile a bug
[08:54] <hylje> f
[08:54] <h1st0> ?
[08:55] <hylje> the livecd should fit in a 700mb cd
[08:55] <h1st0> yes
[08:55] <h1st0> hylje: have you tried burning it?
[08:55] <hylje> no
[08:56] <h1st0> Then how do you know it doesn't fit with overburn or something?
[08:56] <fuoco> ah you're right - it's just the daily ones
[08:56] <jscinoz> hrrm
[08:56] <fuoco> i thought the tribes too
[08:56] <KenSentMe> h1st0, ok, thanks
[08:56] <hylje> one should not depend on overburn
[08:57] <hylje> its a bug
[08:57] <jscinoz> Has anyone managed to get multimedia keys to work with songbird?
[08:57] <jussi01> !bug
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[08:59] <fuoco> actually the i386 is 701MB
[08:59] <fuoco> and there's a file .OVERSIZED to show it's wrong i suppose
[09:07] <h1st0> lol
[09:16] <mzuverink> Getting ready to plug in a new hard drive oin my laptop, and install a fresh Ubuntu.  Is Gusty stable enough at this point for usage being we are about a month out of release?  Laptop will be used for amorok, k3b, openoffice.org and browsing.  Teah, yeah, I know, its testing, but I hate installing and would like to just install gusty now instead of feisty then gusty in a month, I really hate installing.
[09:16] <pwnguin> then upgrade ;)
[09:17] <h1st0> mzuverink: you could just upgrade in a month no need to reinstall everytime.
[09:17] <h1st0> and no its not very stable.
[09:17] <h1st0> atleast for me it isn't
[09:17] <mzuverink> Thats my gut response too, I was just wondering if many things were broke at this point and not worth trying to use it
[09:19] <mzuverink> h1st0, I have had terrible luck with upgrading and prefer fresh installs.  Ill take your word for it and go the feisty route though.  We school starting today and such I dont have a bunch of time to troubleshoot
[09:19] <mzuverink> thanks
[09:20] <h1st0> mzuverink: yeah I'm just havning a lot of random freezing
[09:21] <mzuverink> h1st0, Itried herd 4, and it was really a poor experience
[09:21] <mzuverink> though it was very pretty
[09:31] <jscinoz> who knows when Hardy will be available for testing?
[09:31] <jscinoz> :P
[09:32] <fuoco> jscinoz: wow you're quick :)
[09:33] <jscinoz> :P
[09:33] <jscinoz> cutting edge ftw :)
[09:33] <pwnguin> right now?
[09:33] <jscinoz> really? where?
[09:33] <RAOF> jscinoz: After Gutsy is released.
[09:33] <jscinoz> ah
[09:33] <jscinoz> alrigthy
[09:34] <pwnguin> oh
[09:34] <pwnguin> man
[09:34] <pwnguin> total brain fart
[09:35] <pwnguin> for some reason i thought hardy was the current testing
[09:36] <jscinoz> do you guys still have this data-quota BS where you live?
[09:37] <jscinoz> afk, shower :P got some questions regarding custom built packages when i get back, until then have fun :)
[09:48] <bbwa> hello I have a strange effect and do not know what is caused, perhaps the last update (gutsy) ...
[09:48] <bbwa> I have to choose a network to connect (xdmcp)
[09:49] <bbwa> but I fail on all
[09:49] <bbwa> any idea how to solve it? I try to reboot in the x.10 kernel again but it does not matter
[09:55] <arooni__> i have two 19 LCDs capable of 1280x1024.  i have an nvidia graphics card and twinview up and running...... question:  when i maximize movie player ... it does it only for one screen.  can i maximize the window such that it is maximized across both lcds?
[09:57] <bbwa> I noticed this too that full screen uses only one of the 2 screens
[09:59] <pwnguin> arooni__: i have the exact opposite problem =/
[09:59] <pwnguin> i can hook my tv up to twinview
[10:00] <pwnguin> totem maximizes to both screens
[10:00] <pwnguin> when set side by side
[10:00] <arooni__> pwnguin, can we trade
[10:00] <arooni__> ?
[10:00] <arooni__> p
[10:00] <pwnguin> (for reasons unknown, clone doesnt work right on the tv)
[10:01] <jeroenvrp> I like to switch to Gutsy, but can someone please confirm me if the issues mentioned in Bug #131995 and Bug #132053 are resolved!?
[10:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131995 in xorg "playing a video in various players crashes X or KDE in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131995
[10:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132053 in firefox "Typing in text form in Firefox becomes very slow in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132053
[10:02] <jeroenvrp> why are those bugs not even touched
[10:05] <pwnguin> because theres 10 times as many people submitting bugs as looking at them, id guess
[10:06] <Lynoure> most people look at them, too, they just are not or do not feel authorized to change them.
[10:06] <pwnguin> but i havent experienced the firefox bug personally
[10:07] <jeroenvrp> pwnguin: well maybe its related to the video card cq driver, but it works good in feisty and older ubuntu versions
[10:08] <pwnguin> plus i dont use kubuntu =(
[10:11] <jeroenvrp> pwnguin: nothin to do with it
[10:11] <jeroenvrp> proberly
[10:11] <pwnguin> you can duplicate in gnome?
[10:12] <jeroenvrp> wel its firefox
[10:12] <jeroenvrp> cant duplicate anything right now, because I reinstalled feisty
[10:12] <jeroenvrp> I need firefox for daily usage
[10:13] <jeroenvrp> and also video is very important
[10:13] <h1st0> oh come on you don't need pr0n that bad
[10:13] <jeroenvrp> off course not
[10:13] <jeroenvrp> :-)
[10:15] <h1st0> lol
[10:15] <pwnguin> between intel, nvidia and ati, i think theres not many people left to use via graphics
[10:16] <h1st0> pwnguin: not really.  intel is even losing they are only around because of people stuck with onboard.
[10:16] <pwnguin> jeroenvrp: does that firefox bug happen in all text windows, or only ones with a lot of text already in them?
[10:17] <pwnguin> h1st0: the gma950s looked like a promising start
[10:17] <jeroenvrp> pwnguin: with a lot of text in them
[10:17] <jeroenvrp> I working very much on wikipedia, that kind of texts
[10:18] <pwnguin> jeroenvrp: and im guessing a lot of english text
[10:18] <jeroenvrp> pwnguin: that doesnt matter
[10:18] <pwnguin> au contraire
[10:18] <pwnguin> does it happen in large texts in your native language?
[10:19] <jeroenvrp> also
[10:19] <jeroenvrp> both
[10:19] <pwnguin> hmm
[10:19] <jeroenvrp> you think its a spellcheck issue?
[10:19] <pwnguin> i was thinking it might be due to spellchecking
[10:20] <bbwa> When gdm starts i get a window to choose a remote host (xdmcp)  in gdm.conf xdmcp is disabled. How does this happen and how do I disable it?
[10:20] <pwnguin> heh
[10:20] <pwnguin> jinx
[10:20] <jeroenvrp> I checked that also
[10:21] <pwnguin> jeroenvrp: its possible the kde font rendering is screwy
[10:22] <bbwa> it on a (Dell d620) laptop if that helps\
[10:22] <jeroenvrp> pwnguin: well no problems in feisty and before
[10:22] <jeroenvrp> but maybe its already resolved
[10:23] <h1st0> I still get random lock ups in gusty though.
[10:23] <jeroenvrp> have to update again for that
[10:23] <pwnguin> jeroenvrp: it might be a case of "works for me on my awesome machine"
[10:23] <pwnguin> 2ghz core duo
[10:24] <pwnguin> might be not as fast as whatever that via's got on it
[10:24] <pwnguin> err
[10:24] <pwnguin> i might not notice the slow performance because my hardware's a lot faster, is what i mean
[10:27] <angel25_> i installed ubuntu server 7.04 on Intel Core 1.83 with 2 GB RAM (1 stick) and everyting working good , when i increase my memory to 4 GB the system got stuck and move very slowly, on the start i get an error under : loading hardware drivers - e1000: eth0: e1000_request irq unable to allocate msi interrupt error -22 someone please can help me ?
[10:28] <jeroenvrp> pwnguin: proberly
[10:28] <angel25_> how can i fix that problem ?
[10:29] <jscinoz> next question... i'm making a deb package for a game, where should its data files go? /usr/share/games or /usr/lib/games?
[10:29] <pwnguin> i can think of one way
[10:30] <pwnguin> (remove the 2nd stick of ram
[10:30] <pwnguin> but more seriously
[10:30] <pwnguin> you may need a different kernel
[10:30] <pwnguin> 4GB is pushing the limits of x86
[10:31] <pwnguin> angel25_: does the system start fine with just the new memory?
[10:31] <pwnguin> jscinoz: which game?
[10:31] <jscinoz> Savage :P
[10:31] <jscinoz> building a deb for it
[10:31] <bbwa> gdm gives me a debug msg: attempting to parse key string: deamon/ServAuthDir=/var/lib/gdm could this be my problem?
[10:32] <pwnguin> jscinoz: try looking at a couple existing game packages.
[10:32] <angel25_> yes, when i am running the system with just 2GB RAM it working good
[10:33] <jscinoz> hmm
[10:33] <jscinoz> alright
[10:33] <jscinoz> one other problem
[10:33] <bbwa> (is this the correct channel to ask these kind of question?)
[10:33] <pwnguin> angel25_: right, but did you try with both sticks? its possible the new one is bad
[10:34] <pwnguin> angel25_: both sticks seperately, of course
[10:35] <pwnguin> angel25_: alternatively, memtest would likely find any bad ram scenarios
[10:35] <vicktor> sorry i back
[10:36] <vicktor> vicktor = angel25_
[10:36] <vicktor> :)
[10:36] <vicktor> pwnguin .. should i replace my kernel ?
[10:36] <vicktor> mybe it will solve the problem ?
[10:37] <jscinoz> I'm trying to create a deb package for the MLDonkey GUI "sancho", its all good except for the menu entry, it doesnt put it in the internet category even though i've specified it, heres a paste of the /usr/share/menu/sancho.menu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/100/
[10:38] <pwnguin> vicktor: im not sure
[10:39] <pwnguin> vicktor: there's a linux-image-server package, but i dont know if it contains any helpful patches
[10:41] <vicktor> where can i get that linux-image-server package ?
[10:41] <vicktor> do u have link ?
[10:52] <bbwa> I can't get x to start as it asks me nonstop to connect to a host but it fails (even when I try localhost/127.0.0.1)
[10:53] <bbwa> ...or when I try my dhcp-ed assigned ip
[10:54] <bbwa> ...or even the ip of the box I use now
[10:55] <shivers1> hello. is it possible that the nvidia-glx driver in gutsy is broken with gf 6200?
[11:03] <vicktor> pwnguin i now installing the lastest kernel i hope it will help
[11:10] <pwnguin> vicktor: also, this is the gutsy testing channel. are you running 7.04 or 7.10?
[11:12] <bbwa> I can ssh -x to it and start my x applications without porblems.. I simply cant het the laptop itself to start x
[11:14] <bbwa> %s/het/get/g
[11:16] <vicktor> i am running 7.04
[11:55] <sobersabre> hi.
[11:55] <sobersabre> I am trying to use ubuntu gutsy.
[11:55] <sobersabre> i've found out that there's no firmware for my ipw2200 driver in there.
[11:56] <sobersabre> what driver version is the ipw2200 driver under gutsy ( so I know which f/w version shall I download )
[11:56] <sobersabre> ?
[11:56] <sobersabre> somebody running gutsy, please run: modinfo ipw2200
[11:57] <KenSentMe> Has anyone tried running World of Warcraft on Wine in Gutsy? When i alt-tab from the game the sound stops playing.
[11:57] <sobersabre> KenSentMe: maybe there's some missing audio file ....
[11:58] <sobersabre> is somebody here actulally running gutsy
[11:58] <sobersabre> ?
[11:58] <KenSentMe> sobersabre, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36987/
[11:58] <jscinoz> Gah
[11:58] <KenSentMe> sobersabre, no, the sounds is right before i run alt-tab, it just stops after switching windows. This didn't happen in feisty
[11:59] <jscinoz> when you package a new application where should the files for the menu entries go?
[11:59] <sobersabre> jscinoz: what do you mean by Gah ?
[11:59] <jscinoz> :P
[11:59] <jscinoz> and yes i am actualyl running gutsy :P
[11:59] <sobersabre> jscinoz: can you please run this command: sudo modinfo ipw2200
[11:59] <sobersabre> and tell me what version is the driver ?
[12:00] <sobersabre> KenSentMe: THANKS!
[12:00] <sobersabre> jscinoz: cancel...
[12:00] <jscinoz> 1.2.0kmprq
[12:00] <sobersabre> yes.
[12:00] <sobersabre> thanks!
[12:00] <jscinoz> :P
[12:00] <KenSentMe> sobersabre, np
[12:00] <jscinoz> when you package a new application where should the files for the menu entries go? i have them in /usr/share/menu but it puts the application in the wrong category in the menu
[12:02] <sobersabre> jscinoz: you can compare with a small application, like gedit.
[12:02] <sobersabre> ( I am not diminishing it's importance, but it has quite few files )
[12:02] <sobersabre> ok. I must leave.
[12:02] <jscinoz> bye
[12:02] <sobersabre> and reboot into gutsy.
[12:02] <jscinoz> :P
[12:03] <jscinoz> i hate nautilus it crashes too much
[12:36] <Xero> Lost my Compiz during last night's update.
[12:36] <Xero> I get a white screen of death whenever I try to use compiz or beryl. I forgot the fix. Sorry.
[01:00] <rob> anyone know why half of the gui tools (eg. Users and Groups) just disappeared after a reboot from the menus?
[01:00] <rob> or why creating folders under /home doesn't work (they just disappear)?
[01:00] <rob> its kind of spooky..
[01:02] <rob> oh wow. Sudo is broken!
[01:19] <angel25_> pwnnguin ... i found the problem with the RAM ... it now working ok
[01:27] <bbwa> sudo is broken in what way?
[01:28] <bbwa> rob, I reported a but about a sudo problem a while agoo ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/130636
[01:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130636 in sudo "[gusty]  [sudo command &]  shows password!" [High,Confirmed] 
[01:29] <bbwa> perhaps it is the same
[01:33] <ziroday> @now Singapore
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[01:38] <soul9> pretty neato
[02:22] <lucypher> hi I've found lirc_gpio in restricted manager... how about it?
[02:24] <Pici> lucypher: Its for infrared communication, I'm guessing you're on a laptop with an IR thingy.
[02:26] <Pici> !info lirc | lucypher
[02:26] <ubotu> lucypher: lirc: Linux Infra-red Remote Control support. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 350 kB, installed size 1700 kB
[02:27] <lucypher> Pici : I don't have any IR device... I'm on a desktop PC
[02:28] <lucypher> i've found this : http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg433513.html
[02:28] <Pici> lucypher: Oh, I was going to suggest logging a bug, but it looks like one exists.
[02:29] <lucypher> :-D
[02:30] <lucypher> thanks bye
[02:30] <Pici> :)
[02:34] <tatters> is tribe 6 going to be available as a download today
[02:57] <kousotu> hey guys, quick question involving wifi and my laptop (or any laptop really)
[02:58] <kousotu> er...
[02:58] <kousotu> this would be better for the other chan, nvm
[02:59] <bbwa> where is the question?
[03:00] <dgjones> tatters, not sure if tribe 6 is being released as such, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-September/000337.html
[03:01] <Pici> tatters: "Following discussion with the QA, GNOME, Linux, installer and other
[03:01] <Pici> teams we have decided not to make a formal release for Tribe 6, but
[03:01] <Pici> rather to use it as a milestone for bugfixing."
[03:01] <Pici> arg.
[03:03] <tatters> dgjones: Pici, thnx for info, I dont understand though why its not going to be released
[03:04] <Pici> tatters: Do you have Gutsy installed at all right now?
[03:04] <tatters> yes installed tribe 5 and fully updated
[03:05] <Pici> tatters: So, a new Tribe wouldnt be any benefit to you.  Unless you want to test installing cleanly.
[03:06] <kousotu> Pici: good, bugfixes :)
[03:06] <kousotu> Pici: like my blody issue with frets lol
[03:06] <tatters> I have found there has been a difference between an upgraded box and a fresh install of tribe releases
[03:06] <Pici> Ah, okay.
[03:07] <tatters> on an upgrade from tribe 3 to present my laptop touchpad does not drag and drop, install of tribe 5 and it works out  he box
[03:09] <kousotu> tatters: quick question for ya
[03:10] <kousotu> tatters: if I may that is
[03:10] <tatters> kousotu: sure probably not going to be able answer but yah fire away
[03:11] <kousotu> tatters: you beter be able lol. you have a wifi switch on the front of your laptop?
[03:11] <tatters> yes
[03:11] <kousotu> tatters: ever had issuesconnectng to wifi with it?
[03:11] <Pici> When its off? Of course ;)
[03:11] <kousotu> mine's like. haunted lol
[03:11] <tatters> I needed to enable fsam something to make it work beause of the soft switch
[03:11] <Pici> The switch is haunted?
[03:12] <Pici> Mines a hardware switch, so nothing special needed.
[03:12] <kousotu> Pici: I haven't touched it, and yesterday itworked fine
[03:12] <kousotu> Pici: I went to my gram's house and was on LAN, I came ACK home and it wouldn't connect lol
[03:12] <kousotu> back*
[03:13] <kousotu> my wlan swith decided it didn;yt want to be on, because I was on lan
[03:13] <kousotu> lol
[03:13] <Pici> Weird.
[03:14] <tatters> I read some laptop have a switch that turn wireless offf when connected to lan
[03:14] <kousotu> Pici: that's what I sad
[03:14] <kousotu> tatters: that's like wthe switch you and I both have
[03:14] <kousotu> lol
[03:14] <hwilde> ipw killswitch suxorz
[03:15] <kousotu> lol
[03:16] <dgjones> does anybody use gutsy with an rt2500 based wireless card? on fiesty, roaming mode doesn't work and just stays trying to connect, just wondered whether when gutsy is released if i'll still need to manually configure wireless
[03:17] <kousotu> dgjones: usuly you just need the ssid
[03:18] <kousotu> dgjones: I have an atheros AR5007EG card. it doesn't work on fiesty, but on gutsy I just need to input one of the SSIDs in ange
[03:19] <dgjones> kousotu, rite, i'd noticed that my laptop won't connect using roaming mode using fiesty, but wifes laptop using intel would connect, i was hoping that it'd be fixed in gutsy
[03:20] <kousotu> dgjones: sory, couldn't tell ya, I'm just a peon
[03:20] <kousotu> lol
[03:20] <kousotu> er...
[03:20] <kousotu> user is a beter word lol
[03:20] <tatters> I got 3 wireless cards usb,pci, and pcmcia all based on rt2500 chipset used to be called ra0 ra1 rausb now they called wlan worked out the box with dapper they seemed o have broke em from fiesty onwards , not bothered tring to get them to work, my laptops ipw driver works good though with wpa out the box and very stable
[03:21] <kousotu> tatters: ndis it?
[03:21] <tatters> cant be bothered to mess with that , I still use them but wiith backtrack
[03:21] <kousotu> I have my card on ndiswrapper, works well considering the ath_pci in linux does not lol
[03:22] <baillet> hello. don't know if the topic has already known, but i lost my dual-display (using nvidia proprietary driver) with updates from this week end . the card is not detected. well, i don't want it to be detected, i configure it in /etc/x11/xorg.conf !
[03:22] <dgjones> kousotu, any info is always helpful
[03:23] <kousotu> dgjones: what card?
[03:24] <kousotu> Pici: can commands beissued in pm to the bots?
[03:24] <Pici> kousotu: yep
[03:24] <dgjones> kousotu, its a belkin (i think 7010UK) works ok using manual configuration, i was just curious about roaming mode
[03:24] <Pici> kousotu: I always keep an ubotu window open
[03:24] <kousotu> lol
[03:24] <kousotu> how does one go about doing that?
[03:25] <kousotu> I'd love to messwith ppl at times, especially the dumb ones
[03:25] <kousotu> lol
[03:26] <Pici> What do you mean?
[03:27] <kousotu> [08:22]  <amri> hye
[03:27] <kousotu> [08:22]  <amri> can anyone help me?
[03:27] <kousotu> [07:42]  *** The channel topic is "Official Ubuntu Support Channel
[03:28] <kousotu> can someone hel, um.. duh?
[03:28] <kousotu> help*
[03:28] <Pici> Not everyone reads the topic, thats just the way it is. Also people think they are being polite by asking if someone can help them.
[03:29] <kousotu> lol
[03:29] <kousotu> well yea, but it'd be funny to see just how many ppl reply to the bot
[03:29] <kousotu> lol
[03:31] <Pici> kousotu: I'd suggest against doing that.  Abuse of the bot can lead to your access to it being revoked.
[03:31] <kousotu> as if I use it anyway lol
[03:31] <kousotu> the only comands I ever use it nvidia or paste
[03:31] <kousotu> are*
[03:32] <Toma-> are you really 'lol'ing when you say lol? coz you must be a funny person to be around... :)
[03:32] <kousotu> Toma-: for the most part lol
[03:33] <Pici> Toma-: ;)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> !bot
[03:33] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hi kousotu
[03:34] <kousotu> hewo
[03:34] <kousotu> sometimes I hate this laptop lol
[03:34] <kousotu> Hobbsee: any way to force wifi to stay on at all times?
[03:34] <kousotu> it lkes to piss me of by shuttingoff lol
[03:35] <Scarey> kousotu: do you have some sort of script adding lol to all your sentenses ?;)
[03:35] <kousotu> lmao
[03:35] <kousotu> Scarey: I wish
[03:35] <Scarey> or are you just a happy git :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> kousotu: it does normally...
[03:36] <kousotu> Hobbsee: normally like to piss me off? you bet lol
[03:36] <Hobbsee> no, it normally stays on
[03:36] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I ain't touched th switchn a month (barring an hr ago)
[03:37] <kousotu> and it decided to shut off on me
[03:37] <kousotu> out of no where
[03:37] <kousotu> she was theonly onebear ir besides me, I'll just blame her
[03:37] <kousotu> lol
[03:38] <kousotu> near*
[03:39] <IdleOne> having an issue with GPG can somebody give me a hand http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36999/
[03:40] <kousotu> twitchy window lol
[03:40] <kousotu> I wish I coud record that at times
[03:40] <kousotu> lol
[03:42] <kousotu> oh hey, Hobbsee, it seems the old ATI cads work fine in gutsy
[03:42] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: incorrect filename?
[03:42] <kousotu> cards*
[03:42] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: let me triple check
[03:42] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:42] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: or is it already open?
[03:43] <IdleOne> thought it might be that so I closed the file and tried it again
[03:43] <IdleOne> got that same error
[03:44] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: ty need to remember about the tab complete in terminal :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: ah, so it was the wrong filename.  good :)
[03:44] <IdleOne> well the file name must of had a Cap O or something I didnt notice
[03:48] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: now I am getting an error when pasting the .asc file. says Bad signature
[03:48] <IdleOne> hmmm I was supposed to add spaces to the original then --clearsign and not add spaces to the .asc right?
[03:49] <IdleOne> yup thAt was it
[03:49] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: yep
[03:51] <Hobbsee> \o/
[03:51] <IdleOne> ty
[03:51] <kousotu> coc?
[03:51] <kousotu> lol
[03:51] <IdleOne> !coc
[03:51] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[03:52] <kousotu> ah..
[03:56] <GillesM> hi do you plan to correct realcap or realtime-lsm problem in gusty ?
[03:56] <IdleOne> GillesM: no we were hoping to leave it broken :P
[03:56] <IdleOne> hehe sorry couldnt help myself
[03:57] <GillesM> lol
[03:59] <GillesM> is there anyone interested to correct ? :)
[04:02] <Pici> GillesM: Is that still an issue?  Launchpad says that it was a problem in Edgy, but was okay in Feisty.
[04:02] <GillesM> pici I am testing gusty
[04:02] <mewt> 'lo everyone
[04:03] <Pici> GillesM: Is there a bug filed for it?
[04:03] <mewt> Anyone have any problems with the latest update of nvidia-glx-new and xserver ?
[04:03] <mewt> and new kernel
[04:03] <mewt> ?
[04:03] <GillesM> pici : yes
[04:04] <Pici> GillesM: link?
[04:04] <Pici> Or Bug #?
[04:06] <j4ne> hello
[04:06] <GillesM> I don't find it for gusty
[04:07] <GillesM> where can I file it ?
[04:08] <Pici> GillesM: I guess in the realtime-lsm package bug area
[04:09] <GillesM> the problem is not simple
[04:09] <GillesM> now reatime-lsm is realcap
[04:09] <GillesM> and the init script is realtime
[04:10] <GillesM> there are several bugs
[04:10] <GillesM> very simple to resolve
[04:10] <Pici> GillesM: you could ask about where to file it in #ubuntu-bugs
[04:10] <GillesM> but you have to use multimedia
[04:10] <_dan_> hello, is there any guide or howto for upgrading to gutsy
[04:12] <hydrogen> !upgrade
[04:12] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:12] <hydrogen> not sure if thats for feisty or gutsy
[04:12] <hydrogen> theres instructions somewerhe
[04:13] <_dan_> its for feisty
[04:13] <Hobbsee> _dan_:
[04:13] <Hobbsee> _dan_: if you have to ask, you probably shouldnt run gutsy.
[04:14] <_dan_> lol
[04:14] <_dan_> i know how i can do it, but i thought there may be some ubuntu specific stuff i have to watch
[04:14] <bbwa> !gdm
[04:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:14] <bbwa> pff
[04:15] <Pici> bbwa: What are you looking for?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> it's a derivative of debian, so...  there's no particular ubuntu change, no
[04:15] <_dan_> i know
[04:15] <_dan_> i have been using sid for ages
[04:15] <_dan_> but switched recently
[04:15] <hydrogen> except for update-manager
[04:15] <hydrogen> which makes things pretty
[04:15] <_dan_> exactly
[04:15] <Hobbsee> but which may fall over, especially if coming from sid.
[04:16] <_dan_> so apt-get dist-upgrade is fine? no fooling around with update-manager?
[04:16] <bbwa> pici: I had a lot of trouble with my gdm today... all because I screwed up the login windows settings...
[04:17] <Hobbsee> _dan_: yes.  you can use either
[04:17] <Pici> bbwa: hmm..
[04:17] <Hobbsee> _dan_: but apt-get dist-upgrade works fine, change your sources.list first, as you would in debian
[04:17] <_dan_> Hobbsee how can i do it via update-manager?
[04:17] <bbwa> it did cost me a day to find out why and than how to solve it
[04:17] <Hobbsee> _dan_: dont remember.  sudo update-manager -d, i suspect
[04:18] <_dan_> ill try latest daily build in virtualbox an
[04:18] <_dan_> tried that didn work, thats why i asked ;) anyway dist-upgrade is fine
[04:18] <Hobbsee> use tribe 5
[04:18] <Hobbsee> the dailies arent guarenteed to work - they arent tested
[04:18] <_dan_> well booting it up right now ;) when i upgrade tribe 5 ill be at daily build anyway?
[04:18] <Pici> They've been oversize as of late as well.
[04:18] <Pici> _dan_: Yes.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> _dan_: correct
[04:19] <mewt> Hobbsee, any idea of any problems with nvidia drivers and xserver ?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Pici: wouldnt surprise me, no one's lookign at them
[04:19] <_dan_> oki, well trying in virtualbox first, maybe better than on desktop
[04:19] <mewt> and the latest kernel
[04:19] <Hobbsee> mewt: i'm fortunate enough to have an intel card.  therefore, no.
[04:19] <Pici> Hobbsee: Oh I know, but I've been asked a few times why they are oversized.
[04:20] <mewt> mm ic, maybe i should start filing a bug, but id like someone to help me sort it out so i get a second opinion
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Pici: ahhh.  because things have grown, and stuff has not been shoved off the cds.
[04:21] <Pici> Hobbsee: I assumed as much.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> mewt: that does not mean that it is all workign fine, it means that i dont track it, as i dont have hardware and such, so have no reason to
[04:21] <SoulChild> how do i change the boot resouloution to 1024x768 ???
[04:21] <Pici> !framebuffer | SoulChild check the options at the bottom of this
[04:21] <ubotu> SoulChild check the options at the bottom of this: If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[04:22] <mewt> Hobbsee, yes dont worry i got as much..maybe someone else has an nvidia bug, so he owuld be familiar with the problem
[04:22] <mewt> Hobbsee, it's a random restart a few seconds after boot so it's quite a deadly problem as yet
[04:22] <Hobbsee> mewt: nvidia binary drivers?
[04:22] <mewt> yes
[04:22] <Hobbsee> mewt: does it happen on the normal/free drivers?
[04:23] <mewt> I havent tried free drivers, Im only using nvidia-glx-new
[04:23] <Hobbsee> try the free drivers.  if it happens on the free ones too, file a bug.
[04:23] <mewt> what im running now is 2.6.22-10-i386
[04:23] <mewt> and it's ok
[04:23] <mewt> with nvidia-glx-new
[04:24] <Hobbsee> if it doesnt, then curse nvidia.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> right, so this is a bug that comes up with a different kernel only?
[04:24] <mewt> i got the kernel upgrade to 2.6.22-11-generic and an update for nvidia-glx-new
[04:24] <mewt> ye
[04:24] <mewt> went into it and ended up in a console
[04:24] <mewt> as soon as i tried to type in anything
[04:24] <mewt> my pc rebooted
[04:24] <mewt> next time round i was quick
[04:24] <mewt> booted in
[04:24] <mewt> and stopped gdm
[04:24] <mewt> and didnt restart
[04:25] <SoulChild> when i add vga=790  (this is a 1024x768) resouloution ,.. i have a blank screen during boot ,... can someone help me with that ???
[04:25] <mewt> I then ran, nvidia-xconfig enable to try enable the kernel module for my current version
[04:25] <mewt> rebooted and still got the same problem
[04:25] <mewt> so its like im locked to this kernel to get a gui
[04:26] <mewt> Don't know if it's nvidia related, xserver or kernel
[04:26] <mewt> or gdm
[04:27] <mewt> Hobbsee, what do you think ?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> i'd wonder if the nvidia stuff got enabled for that kernel.
[04:33] <mewt> Hobbsee, that's why i ran nvidia-xconfig enable
[04:33] <mewt> so make sure it enabled
[04:33] <mewt> is there a way to enable it without running that kernel ?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> mewt: i have no idea.
[04:36] <mewt> Hobbsee, ok thanks anyway..Do you know anyone else who has experience maybe on the subject ?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> mewt: nope.  other people with nvidia cards
[04:42] <mewt> Ill hit the forums :)
[04:42] <mewt> thanks
[04:50] <dfgas> i am wondering if there is anyone that has gotten seamless working with ubuntu and virtualbox? if so can you help me getting it working?
[04:51] <_dan_> works out of the box for me (feisty tho)
[04:53] <_dan_> u need to install guestaddons tho
[04:53] <_dan_> and only works for windows guests
[04:55] <dfgas> i had to re install it
[04:55] <dfgas> the additions
[04:55] <dfgas> guess i should have done that right away
[04:56] <stefg> someone used both vmware and virtualbox? I'd like to hear about experiences in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:14] <dfgas> http://burhite.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1555
[05:26] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I configure Gutsy not to change my DNS settings ? I notice that NetworkManager overwrites /etc/resolv.conf
[05:48] <bbwa> AnAnt, What I do is always fillin the hostname in the general tab, if you do so and name it everywhere the same I guess it will work
[05:49] <bbwa> *dns tab ;-)
[05:50] <Pici> bbwa: AnAnt left about 15 minutes ago.
[05:50] <bbwa> ok waste of energy here ;-)
[05:52] <cld2> im running server and when I try to install nvidia-glx-new for the 2.6.22-11 kernel I get the linux-kernel-* pkgs for 2.6.22-10, and is there anything I can do about it. it seems to make the nvidia module unloadable. thanks.
[05:55] <stefg> either wait until nvidia-glx-new got updated as well, or use the nv-driver in the meantime
[05:55] <stefg> cld2
[05:56] <Trewas> hmph, networkmanager having weird problems part some-big-number, this hotel (or someone near the hotel, I don't actually know) has an open wlan, networkmanager cannot get connection while it works perfectly with manual iwconfig/dhclient
[05:56] <cld2> stefg: thats what Ive been doing, I was just wondering. wanted to make sure it wasnt me. thanks.
[05:57] <stefg> cld2: or roll your own.. build-essential, nvidia-source, module-assistant ..... you know the drill
[05:58] <cld2> stefg: yup. I was trying to get away with just pkgs. I tried doing it all by hand but the nvidia-glx-new still was asking for the 2.6.22-10 bits. I can wait. I run wmii for a wm so I dont even need the 3d. I just got a new laptop so I was more or less just wanted to see if it would work. thanks again.
[06:09] <cld2> so I installed xserver-xorg last night and I got xfonts-base along with it, I did it again this morning and no xfonts-base. is this by design?
[06:39] <blizzow> Anything seriously broken with the 2.6.22-11 linux headers?
[06:48] <Pici> blizzow: not to my knowledge.  A few people came come in complaining of nvidia issues though.
[06:53] <blizzow> Well, I guess now's the big test.  I wasn't able to type my username or password into GDM using the 2.6.22-10 kernel.  How do i instruct GRUB to use runlevel 3 instead of 5?
[07:04] <KenSentMe> Anyone playing World of Warcraft under Wine on Gutsy? I loose my sound if i alt-tab from the game
[07:04] <KenSentMe> Only the ingame sound that is, other sounds in Ubuntu keep working
[07:18] <blizzow> hmmm, update manager is requesting I do a partial upgrade and complains that the upgrade needs a total of 83.9M of free space on boot.  That seems excessive.  Anyone seen this before or know how to get around it?
[07:31] <mrtimdog> Hi, what's the easiest way of uninstalling all but package ubuntu-minimal and all it's dependencies?
[08:18] <CoasterMaster> Do the Tribe releases have Live CDs?
[08:21] <_sidd> CoastMaster: Yes, I believe they do.
[08:22] <CoasterMaster> _sidd: thanks, want to see what it looks like, but I don't want to upgrade just yet
[08:22] <_sidd> CoasterMaster: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5
[08:24] <CoasterMaster> _sidd, thanks again
[08:24] <_sidd> CoasterMaster: np.
[08:34] <yaser> any one has installed Avant Window Navigator in Gutsy?
[08:36] <scizzo-> right....ummm anyone else but me still having problems with keybindings and so on in gutsy?
[08:37] <scizzo-> that is resize (Alt+Button 3), move (Alt+Button 1) and focus (normal click?
[09:32] <gib> Has anyone else noticed that you can't turn off "field shadings" (ie gray background behind bullets, etc.) in oowriter 2.3?  When you uncheck the View/Field Shadings, nothing changes--they stay shaded.
[09:32] <gib> I  wonder if this is a bug in oo 2.3, or just ubuntu gusty's compilation of it.
[09:33] <gib> What is the name of the channel for openoffice and/or oowriter?
[09:37] <gib> I guess 191 people are sleeping at the wheel.
[09:40] <asisak> gib: sure :)
[09:40] <asisak> To be honest I have not noticed this.
[09:42] <gib> If you type something with bullets,  does a gray background show behind bullets?
[09:42] <gib> Does it go away if you uncheck field shadings from the view menu?
[09:42] <jsomers> any news about gnome-main-menu being updated or so?
[09:43] <IntuitiveNipple> gib: I can't find 'field shadings' to check ... give me a clue?
[09:44] <IntuitiveNipple> duh! blind as a bat
[09:44] <gib> :)
[09:44] <gib> Does it have any effect when you toggle it back and forth when you have a bulleted list?
[09:45] <IntuitiveNipple> gib: Should that be controlled by field shading though? It marks the 'dead space' after the bullet
[09:45] <IntuitiveNipple> It doesn't change it, no
[09:46] <IntuitiveNipple> gib: Ahhh, it does look like a bug. I inserted a date field and it doesn't change the field shading on that
[09:46] <gib> I think so.  Can you find any other way to make the bullet have no background, just blend in?
[09:48] <IntuitiveNipple> gib: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org2/+bug/134415
[09:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134415 in openoffice.org2 "Unable to disable field shadings" [Undecided,New] 
[09:50] <IntuitiveNipple> I've added a report to the bug
[09:53] <gib> Thanks.  I hope they fix it before the final release, because it drives me nuts.  That's one reason I don't use abiword, because they don't let you turn it off as far as I can tell.
[09:58] <IntuitiveNipple> gib: If you do Tools/Options OpenOffice.org > Appearance - Custom Colours - Text Document
[09:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Even if you turn off Field-Shadings they remain, so it does look like a bug
[10:02] <gib> Yeah, it seems so.  I wonder how such an obvious and visable bug got through to this point.  Everybody must use bullets at some point, and I assume many want to see it as it's going to look printed as they work with it.  The gray backgrounds annoy the hell out of me.  I can't be alone on that.  :)
[10:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Change the colour to white for the time being
[10:07] <jordan__> Hello.  Is the RT73 wireless nic chipset properly supported in Gusty?
[10:12] <d4rkmonkey> !hardware | jordan__
[10:12] <ubotu> jordan__: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:13] <d4rkmonkey> jordan__ I'm not actually sure how helpful that will be, but you could always try running a gutsy live CD.
[10:13] <jordan__> d4arkmonkey does this include gusty gibbon? im more concerned about the devs fixing the rt73 from 7.04 - 7.10
[10:13] <IntuitiveNipple> jordan__: I helped a couple people install the drivers on Feisty but I'm not sure about Gutsy
[10:14] <jordan__> Yeah I installed the drivers on feisty but it was a pain so I decided to wait for gusty, but now it seems pretty mature as im using it on my desktop
[10:14] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't have access to that chipset unfortunately
[10:15] <jordan__> Its a pain in the butt, always disconnecting and junk
[10:16] <jordan__> Ah well, theres no harm in trying gusty on the laptop! thanks for your help guys
[10:23] <tatters> If I do a netboot install of gutsy what version do I get ?
[10:37] <Stwange> how's gutsy different? I have nothing critical on this computer, so I could cope with a buggy OS (I used Windows for years), but if it's not much different I'm not sure it's worth it
[10:38] <Stwange> is it close to completion? Ie. is this last month "pretty much finished, ironing out a couple of bugs", or "we're going to have to work night and day to meet the deadline"?
[10:42] <TehRandom> is there any sort of ncurses/text config util for 7.10?
[10:45] <tatters> IIIIII been running gutsy since tribe 3 aftr yrs with windows it has its moments but overall at this stage its pretty stable imo
[10:46] <TehRandom> is sshd disabled by default in 7.1 or is this a firewall on by default issue?
[10:47] <tatters> dont think sshd was evr enabled by default , I could be wrong though
[10:48] <tatters> as far as      I know there no running services on defualt install
[10:49] <TehRandom> i'm referencing the Ubuntu service guide, but i dont see anything for centralized service control, a la redhat's "service" command
[10:49] <TehRandom> is Ubuntu more like Slack that way?
[10:51] <TehRandom> in that each service is controlled individually with no overmind?
[10:53] <tatters> well your Q went over the head of my simple mind
[10:54] <tatters> services can be controlled simply by stopping and starting them ?
[10:54] <TehRandom> in redhat you type crap like "service ssh start"
[10:54] <TehRandom> to start the services
[10:55] <TehRandom> instead of /etc/rc.d/init.d/rc.ssh start / stop
[10:55] <TehRandom> which is how slackware does it
[10:55] <tatters> then its omparable to slackware
[10:55] <TehRandom> k
[10:55] <TehRandom> with slack all of the services have an rc file, such as /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd
[10:56] <TehRandom> is there an equivalent scripts folder on ubuntu?
[10:59] <garfield> how do i upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10?
[11:03] <d4rkmonkey> garfield best way is probably a clean install.
[11:05] <garfield> d4rkmonkey: i just want to see wa the 7.10 look like befor i reinstall because the the 7.10 is reaching to it's fanal stage the end of october and im confuse about these version so i want to install it to see if in oct i will upgrade
[11:06] <d4rkmonkey> garfield why don't you just run the live CD then?
[11:07] <garfield> i dont want to download 700mb
[11:08] <garfield> allready my pc bug out it might be download bad
[11:09] <d4rkmonkey> !upgrade | garfield
[11:09] <ubotu> garfield: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:09] <d4rkmonkey> I think that has info for upgrading to gutsy too
[11:09] <^^MAg^^> any1 here using ecryptfs on gutsy?
[11:11] <scizzo-> well I can say that the x-server system is really acting strange lately
[11:12] <scizzo-> I have managed to find out that a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is not really the best thing to reconfigure X anymore
[11:19] <tormod> scizzo-: not having an xorg.conf is sometimes the best
[11:22] <scizzo-> tormod: well most of the information in the file is missing
[11:22] <scizzo-> tormod: if I do a reconfigure I get no files added to the list of files and no mods
[11:23] <tormod> scizzo-: because most of the time you don't need those sections
[11:25] <scizzo-> tormod: well thats not the main problem of it.....after doing a reconfigure I get from starting the nvidia-settings manager that nvidia is not running which it actually is
[11:34] <Xero> Hello. After updating nvidia-glx I have a white screen bug in Xgl/Compiz.
[11:34] <Xero> Is there anything I can do to fix that?
[11:39] <d4rkmonkey> Xero not use Compiz or XGL? sn't there some nvidia-new package too or something?
[11:39] <Xero> d4rkmonkey, nvidia-glx is for my old card.
[11:39] <d4rkmonkey> Xero Well, I'm not of much help then.
[11:51] <shaquille> does anybody know what kernel is best used for a dual core processor in gutsy? my core 2 duo is not being detected/utilized since I upgraded
[11:52] <shaquille> i looked about for an smp kernel, but all i found was a transition package pointing to an older kernel that was already installed and not a 2.6.22 kernel at all
[11:52] <hydrogen> what do you mean by "not being detected"
[11:54] <shaquille> well, /proc/cpuinfo shows processor : 0 instead of processor : 1 like I believe it should. also, htop only shows one cpu, and it's much more sluggish
[11:55] <shaquille> a couple hours ago, before i upgraded this machine, htop showed 2 cpu graphs, one for each processor, now, not so much
[11:55] <albert23> shaquille: generic kernel works for me
[11:57] <shaquille> are you using a core2 as well albert?
[11:58] <albert23> Yes, this is what cpuinfo sees model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7500  @ 2.20GHz
[11:59] <shaquille> yeah mine lists the model name correctly as well. i'm talking about the first line, the processor line
[12:00] <albert23> I have the processor line 2 times. 1st with processor 0, 2nd with processor 1
[12:00] <shaquille> man, that's weird. see mine only has the one line, just processor 0
[12:01] <shaquille> i didn't have this problem with the generic kernel in feisty, so I'm not sure what to make of it
[12:01] <albert23> Does dmesg show any message about CPU1?
[12:02] <shaquille> hmm. yeah, it does
[12:02] <shaquille> Processor #0 6:15 APIC version 20
[12:02] <shaquille> [    0.000000]  ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01]  lapic_id[0x01]  enabled)
[12:02] <shaquille> [    0.000000]  Processor #1 6:15 APIC version 20
[12:02] <shaquille> [    0.000000]  WARNING: NR_CPUS limit of 1 reached.  Processor ignored.
[12:03] <albert23> hmm, strange
[12:03] <shaquille> processor ignored. man, what's up with that?
[12:04] <albert23> sounds like your kernel only supports 1 cpu
[12:04] <albert23> what did youexactly install?
[12:05] <shaquille> i just hit mark all upgrades in synaptic, so it installed 2.6.22.11.12
[12:06] <albert23> I have 2.6.22-11.32-generic
[12:07] <shaquille> uname -a gives me 2.6.22-11-386 #1 Fri Sep 7 04:33:15 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:07] <albert23> that does not look like the generic kernel
[12:08] <albert23> I have 2.6.22-11-generic #1 SMP Fri Sep 7 04:31:16 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:11] <shaquille> yeah, i see your point
[12:11] <shaquille> it looks like synaptic installed that version as well
[12:12] <shaquille> i don't even see the one i'm running right now as installed in synaptic
[12:12] <shaquille> not sure why
[12:13] <albert23> time to switch kernels, I think
[12:13] <albert23> I seem to be lucky, AMD64 only has the generic SMP kernel
[12:16] <shaquille> I think i see what happened
[12:18] <albert23> Did you upgrade or is it a fresh install?
[12:18] <shaquille> it was an upgrade
[12:19] <albert23> and you had generic in Feisty?
[12:20] <shaquille> the latest listed linux-generic is the 2.6.22.11.12 that I've got, but like you've got, the latest linux-image-2.6.22.11-generic is the one you've got, the .32
[12:21] <shaquille> yeah i had generic in feisty
[12:22] <albert23> In that case I would think the update should be able to pick the right kernel
[12:24] <shaquille> so i guess what happened was when i did the upgrade, it went for the linux-generic which is that version i've got now. linux-generic is not pointing to the latest version
[12:25] <albert23> No, that linux-generic depends on the real latest kernel
[12:26] <albert23> I think you may have set-up you system using linux-image-386, and only later added a linux-image-2.6.xx-yy-generic
[12:26] <mon^rch> can somebody using feisty tar up their gaim emoticons for me... I dont like the ones for pidgin as much
[12:28] <shaquille> it's possible, is the linux-image-386 the generic one? because if so, that's certainly what it was originally set up for back when it was using feisty
[12:29] <albert23> No, the package you are supposed to use is linux-image-generic
[12:30] <shaquille> the thing is, i'm looking at the gutsy repo right now, in feisty. and right next to both linux-generic and linux-image-generic is listed 2.6.22.11.12
[12:30] <shaquille> not the 2.6.22-11.32 that you've got, though i do see it there
[12:30] <IgorSobreira> hey guys...ive installed ubuntu 7.10 but after upgrade the system it doenst start anymore...dont even see the login window...
[12:31] <albert23> That's what I see as well
[12:31] <albert23> If you look at the dependencies of that package, you will see the .32
[12:32] <shaquille> so i'm not just imagining things then right? the metapackage isn't pointing to it?
[12:35] <albert23> In my synaptic linux-image-generic 2.6.22.11.12 depends on linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic which provides the 11.32 kernel
[12:35] <Xero> Okay.
[12:35] <Xero> Here's my situation: After updating nvidia-glx, I get a white screen bug in Compiz.
[12:35] <Xero> Is there ANY way to fix this?
[12:36] <albert23> shaquille: anyway, I guess you will need to try and install linux-image-generic to get your 2nd core up and running
[12:36] <Xero> Ugh. Please help me. I've been waiting for hours, leaving off and on
[12:37] <shaquille> i installed the .32 image, is there anything else I need if i avoid the metapackage?
[12:37] <shaquille> i got the headers too for that image as well
[12:38] <albert23> I think you should use the meta package, just to prevent this type of problems
[12:38] <Xero> Please, please, please, help.
[12:39] <albert23> Xero: sorry, I have Intel graphics
[12:44] <shaquille> OK then, i'm installing that metapackage too. seems mildly confusing to have metapackages as dependencies of metapackages etc. but if it gets me my second core running, that works for me :)
[12:47] <shaquille> guess i'll reboot and check out grub, and see if it shows up now. brb!
[12:55] <shaquille> well, it looks like that did it!
[12:56] <albert23> :-)
[12:56] <shaquille> thanks for the great help albert, i appreciate it a lot
[12:56] <albert23> no problem, glad it works
[12:57] <shaquille> well, see ya
[12:57] <shaquille> thanks again
[12:58] <shaquille> :D
[01:18] <larson9999> just applied today's upgrades and firefox is SLOWW. swiftfox isn't though
[01:18] <d4rkmonkey> larson9999 firefox is running fine for me?