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nemikjml: hadn't really noticed that. fonts seemed ok to me01:23
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dispraekailoDifferent fonts are used in gusty01:24
dispraekailoWhich is the source of my problem in freenx! :o01:27
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dispraekailoThanks for your question lol01:27
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Tsukasahey guys... is it possible to install gutsy with reiser4 filesystem?01:39
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dispraekailoYa01:45
dispraekailoFilesystems do not affect distros unless the kernel included does not support them.01:46
Tsukasadoes gutsy have a kernel which supports reiser401:46
dispraekailoYes.01:46
dispraekailoUnless I've been running reiser3 this whole time.. *laughs*01:47
Tsukasasweet01:47
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Tsukasais it just an install option on the livecd?01:47
dispraekailoreiserfs ya; it doesn't specify if it's 3 or 4 though01:47
Tsukasathat would make me think its 3 then >_>01:48
DanaGI wonder if there's a reiserfs for FUSE.01:48
dispraekailoYeah, 3.6.1901:48
Tsukasahmm no plans in including reiser 4 gui install support before release of gutsy?01:49
dispraekailoIt'd be wise to put / on reiser3 anyways... you can always make /home reiser4 later.01:49
Tsukasayeah i guess01:49
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Tsukasaresier4 looks pretty stable though01:50
dispraekailoYeah, I used it on my gentoo box for quite some time.01:50
hydrogenmm01:50
hydrogenit isn't01:50
n0ydTsukasa: Heh, you are asking the same question I was about to ask I suppose? :-P01:50
n0ydIt's stable here, running Crux.01:50
hydrogenand furthermore01:50
hydrogenits not going anywhere01:50
dispraekailoOh lawd.. crux..01:50
n0yd1.5TB Raid501:50
hydrogenso its a dead end01:50
dispraekailoI haven't used that in forever xD01:50
DanaGHmm, just noticed the name. ./hack//SIGN -- I didn't care for the show that greatly, but the music is good.01:51
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n0ydhydrogen: Dvelopment hasn't ceased just because hans is locked up.01:51
pwuertzsounds like reiser4 ;)01:51
hydrogenn0yd: no, but your relying on a third party company (rather than the general linux community) to develop a driver01:51
TsukasaDanaG, its fitting for an internet handle though and its obscure enough that i can sometimes get it01:51
n0ydThere is more than just Hans to namesys.01:51
hydrogenwhich is not really your best bet01:52
DanaGPlus, it can be used for either gender, if you consider the story.01:52
n0ydhydrogen: And the general community doesn't help with Reiser4? I doubt that one, it's an FOSS project, the community is free to work on it as they see fit.01:52
hydrogenn0yd: no, it doesn'01:52
hydrogent01:53
hydrogenand doesn't want to01:53
hydrogenbased on the amount of times it has been rejected from mainline01:53
Tsukasawell its actually feminine in connotation so not really... the fact that he was a guy in the game would be a little weird to a native japanese speaker01:53
n0ydhydrogen: Maybe the majority on the LKML doesn't want to.  But I'd disagree that no one in the community helps with development.01:53
hydrogengot any proof to back that up?01:54
Tsukasabut its like a car being a feminine connotation, it doesnt have the societal stigma of a gender attached to it01:54
Tsukasaanyways01:54
n0ydhydrogen: You got any proof to back up your claims? My claim comes from the fact that there are people that use Reiser4, and people still commiting bug fixes.01:55
Tsukasahydrogen, reiser4 is much faster then ext3, why not use it01:55
Tsukasaand technically superior as well01:55
hydrogenn0yd: I already gave you my proof.  Its been rejected from mainline repeatedly.  Your proof that there are people using reiser4 has nothing to do with the community developing it, nor does people at namesys committing01:56
hydrogenTsukasa: theres where you go wrong01:56
n0ydTo say no one in the community cares for Reiser4 enough to help with its development is preposterous01:56
hydrogenext3 is just as fast as a general purpose filesystem, reiser4's speed is grossly exagerated01:56
dispraekailoNo..01:56
n0ydhydrogen: Just because it's been rejected from the main kernel tree means nothing as for saying there isn't a community behind Reiser4.01:57
dispraekailoReiser4 is blazing fast in comparison.01:57
n0ydlmao01:57
Tsukasahydrogen, for general system use maybe, but for specific usecases involving numerous small files it is indeed superior01:57
n0ydYou haven't backed up youir claim one bit, all ytour doing is making good flame bait.01:57
hydrogenTsukasa: and there are not all that many specific usecases where one has numberous small files01:57
Tsukasahydrogen, usenet.01:57
hydrogenwow01:57
Tsukasaloss01:57
hydrogenI can't spell tonight01:57
hydrogen:/01:57
hydrogenusenet died out about 10 years ago01:57
hydrogenwayy before reiser4 did01:57
Tsukasahahahahahahaha01:57
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Tsukasawow you know nothing01:58
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hydrogenokay01:58
hydrogenwe've got two people01:58
n0ydAnd you realize with the invention of the NZB, usenet is actually becoming more popular.01:58
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n0ydhydrogen: go into ##linux and ask how many people use usenet.01:58
n0ydlmao01:58
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Tsukasan0yd, hes going to get pelted with rocks if he asks that question in # linux01:59
Tsukasametaphorically.01:59
n0ydTsukasa: I'm still waiting for him to give some proof as to his "Reiser4 has no community support" claim.01:59
n0ydThere are more developers than just the zealots that troll the LKML all day long.02:00
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Frogzoohow much disk do I need to compile linux-source? 3gig so far isn't enough02:22
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PiciAnyone have a working wacom tablet in Gutsy? Mine is having issues.02:29
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chrissturmhey guys! I have set the model  to generic 1920x1200 in "screens and graphics", but in the available resolutions i get 1920x1440 instead.03:13
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snadgemaybe someone in here can help me..  how do i make the nvidia-new kernel module the default loaded module?03:17
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beg1689sup03:18
d4rkmonkeysnadge add it to /etc/modules ?03:19
beg1689im just wondering if anyone else is having the same issue as me, opengl apps fail completely with compiz running, they either have a black screen or just crash X completely03:20
beg1689are opengl apps supposed to be working or do i have it screwed up?03:20
d4rkmonkeybeg1689 happens sometimes to me too...03:22
d4rkmonkeybeg1689 only some though.03:22
beg1689not sometimes, always03:22
beg1689most things are blank, some things just crash X instantly03:22
d4rkmonkeybeg1689 what video card do you have?03:22
beg1689gf760003:22
d4rkmonkeyCompany?03:22
beg1689nvidia?03:22
beg1689geforce 760003:23
d4rkmonkeyoh gf == geforce...03:23
beg1689id imagine its a driver issue03:23
snadgei have to stop gdm, manually unload the kernel module.. modprobe nvidia-new.. restart gdm, then X works again.. otherwise i get black screen03:23
d4rkmonkeyyeah, nvidia's aren't the best supported video cards.03:23
beg1689i just wanted to know if it was a common problem or if it was just me03:23
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snadgeeven though i have nvidia-new in /etc/modules03:23
beg1689im not using the new one, just the regular03:23
d4rkmonkeybeg1689 you could always try nvidia-new03:24
beg1689if i make an SDL program that just creates an opengl context and then exits, it just crashes X03:24
beg1689yea i guess i will03:24
snadgeim tempted to just dist-upgrade to gutsy, but then i might break other things which are working fine03:24
beg1689compiz works beautifully other then that though03:24
beg1689i just made a .xsession soley for compiz, and i load gnome when i want a regular desktop03:24
beg1689i use avant window navigator and stuff, its nice03:24
beg1689and Expo is pretty sweet03:24
d4rkmonkeysnadge It shouldn't break anything... also why ask for help in here if you aren't using gutsy now?03:24
snadged4rkmonkey: unfortunately nobody could help me in #ubuntu :(03:25
beg1689i never tryed doing a dist upgrade, i figure it might be messy, and id want to have all the new default settings for gnome and stuff that a new distro might have changed03:25
d4rkmonkeysnadge yeah... but this is for gutsy help, and generally if people are in here, they are in #ubuntu too.03:25
beg1689i just rename my home and reinstall03:25
beg1689i guess ill look at nvidia-new, i assumed it was for 8 series cards03:26
snadgehow do i "ban" nvidia and nvidia-legacy module.. perhaps then nvidia-new will be chosen by default?03:26
beg1689ban?03:27
beg1689you mean prevent from installing?03:27
snadgeyes... for some retarded reason, even though nvidia-new is installed.. it chooses the nvidia.ko kernel module, instead of nvidia-new.ko03:27
snadgeand consequently X fails to start03:27
beg1689uninstall the old one then03:27
snadgehow do i remove the nvidia driver but keep the nvidia new one installed?03:28
beg1689it doesnt let you?03:28
d4rkmonkeysnadge how did you install them?03:28
beg1689im gonna try that right now03:28
beg1689so ill let you know ;)03:28
snadged4rkmonkey: im not actually sure now ;)03:28
beg1689snadge03:28
d4rkmonkeysnadge well, that sucks.03:28
beg1689i dont know what your problem is but...03:28
snadgei used apt-get03:28
snadgei _think_03:28
beg1689when i choose to install nvidia-glx-new it removes nvidia-glx for me03:28
d4rkmonkeysnadge then apt-get remove it? I don't know..?03:29
beg1689i *cant* have them both03:29
snadgenvidia-glx is not installed.. its the restricted drivers that are causing the problem03:29
snadgeall 3 drivers are installed with that03:29
snadgeyou cant just install the new one, or the legacy one.. you get them all03:29
beg1689hm?03:30
beg1689i see each one as its own package03:30
beg1689i just installed only the new one03:30
beg1689ill restart X and see where that gets me03:30
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beg1689ok...03:33
beg1689well that didnt go well03:33
beg1689but apparently theres another feature of gutsy i didnt know about03:33
d4rkmonkeywhats that?03:34
beg1689X didnt start but instead of a disgusting blue screen it started X in really low res and presented the new X config tool03:34
beg1689so now im in e1703:34
beg1689at what seems to be 640x48003:34
snadgei just reinstalled linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic (feisty)03:34
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snadgeok.. i've found that if i reinstall nvidia-glx-new, then X will start03:44
snadgebut if i restart X.. i just get a black screen03:44
snadgeso installing nvidia-glx-new does something to fix the problem.. once03:45
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h1st0So how exactly do I found out if a bug has been reported?  It appears if yout ry to run warsow fullscreen with desktop effects enabled it restarts X03:51
hydrogen!bug03:52
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots03:52
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beg1689sup03:55
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beg1689nvidia-glx failed miserably03:55
beg1689so i installed the newest driver from nvidias installer, works great now03:56
beg1689which is strange because its the same version03:56
beg1689using identical xorg.conf03:56
beg1689now to try an opengl app...03:57
beg1689bah, blank screen03:57
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beg1689glxgears crashes X...04:00
beg1689(same as before)04:00
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Andreoi04:24
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Andrekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk04:25
Andreque sala de bate papo mais doida04:25
Andreart04:26
hydrogen!br04:26
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.04:26
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Andreo que04:26
Andre???????????04:26
Andre :|04:27
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h1st0I have little faith those bugs will ever be fixed.04:28
h1st0Whatever they recently did to Xorg is causing all sorts of weird bugs with desktop-effects enabled.04:29
Hobbseed-e changes a lot as well.  but hopefully they will be04:29
h1st0well people on launchpad are telling the bug reporters to ask nvidia for a fix.  When nvidia didn't create the problem.04:30
h1st0The nvidia drivers haven't changed jsut the X04:30
Toma-which bug is this?04:30
h1st0let me find it hold up04:31
h1st0bug #13032504:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130325 in xorg "[nvidia-glx]  3D GL apps crash X when using compiz due to unmaked ABI change (gutsy)" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13032504:31
h1st0There are several clones the other thing that was messed up was the other bug I reported #1350804:32
h1st0err the other bug I reported was bug #13050804:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130508 in ubuntu "[sync request]  sync ttf-sil-yi from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13050804:33
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h1st0wait thats not it.04:33
h1st0bug #13850804:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 138508 in desktop-effects "(gusty) gnome panel displayed running wine apps full screen with desktop effects enabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13850804:33
h1st0there ya go04:33
h1st0Those are two new issues04:34
ositoanyone can help me figure out why even if I seem to join my wifi network I can't ping my router or browse the internet?04:34
h1st0osito: what type of card do you have?04:34
h1st0osito: lspci | grep Ethernet04:35
ositohlst0, I'm actually trying to figure out this bugger Bug #9208804:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 92088 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "this does not work with dell 1390" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9208804:36
ositoIts Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)04:36
ositoI've now figured out the missing firmware bit, but even if it now receives DHCP offers just fine, I can't ping the router or other boxes04:37
ositonor access the web04:37
Toma-h1st0: it reads like a sad state of affairs. this is how it goes -> GFX card -> nvidiadriver -> Xorg.... and if nvidia is crashing X, then I dare say its an nvidia problem.04:38
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Toma-ahh theres an MS troll on this thread04:41
tehkAnyone here compiling their own kernel with mactel stuff in it?04:42
ositohlst0, any suggestion?04:44
ositoanyone missing the icon on Xchat GNOME?04:45
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tehkAnyone know how to make sure gutsy starts with the applesmc module?04:49
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ositocan you confirm bug 13519705:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135197 in xchat-gnome "Icon missing" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13519705:00
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ositoh1st0, any idea on my wifi woes?05:00
h1st0Toma-: nvidia driver hasn't change05:01
h1st0osito: you just need to install the firmware in /lib/firmware/`uname -r`05:02
ositothe firmware is not missing anymore, but when I attach to the wifi routher I can't surf the web05:03
ositoh1st0, any output you might need?05:15
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h1st0osito: where did you get the firmware?05:20
ositohttp://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o05:21
h1st0osito: and you extrqacted from there.05:21
ositoyep05:21
ositoyou can see my exact commands at the bug 9208805:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 92088 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "this does not work with dell 1390" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9208805:22
h1st0how many bcm files do you ahve in /lib/firmware05:22
osito1605:23
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h1st0osito: k hold up reading the bug05:25
h1st0osito: so you are just getting the errors that the firmware isn't loaded in dmesg?05:25
ositono, these are gone, now05:26
ositoI can now use nm-applet and join the wireless network just fine05:26
h1st0osito: okay did you rmmod and modprobe since then or restart?05:26
h1st0k05:26
ositoI get an IP and all, but if I ping the router I get host unreachable05:27
h1st0is your ip one inside of the range of the router?05:27
ositoit is05:30
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ositoI actually did a dhclient and it went fine05:32
ositobut after the IP assignment I can only pong the laptop itself, not the router05:32
h1st0osito: you had to manually use dhclient?05:33
ositono I did it as a test05:33
h1st0osito: have you tried bringing the interface down and back up?05:34
ositono05:34
h1st0osito: well try that do ifconfig find out which interface it is then sudo ifdown eth(x)05:34
ositoany other ideas so I can test in a batch05:34
h1st0osito: sudo ifup eth(X)05:34
h1st0then ifconfig again see if its getting an ip05:35
h1st0if it isn't then sudo dhclient05:35
h1st0then make sure the ip is something along the lines of the router i.e. if router is 192.168.0.XXX  then net interface should be 192.168.0.XXX and it should be pointed at the router with a gateway matching the ip of the router.05:36
ositoanything else?05:37
h1st0osito: maybe a restart if all that isn't working.05:37
ositoI'll lost connection while I try05:37
ositothanks anyhow05:38
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h1st0k05:38
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effie_jayxdoes bcm43xx-firmwarecutter work on gutsy yet?06:05
cld2I know this is a bit out of line but... Im running 2.6.22-11 server on my laptop and when I do aptitude install nvidia-glx-new it trying to install 2.6.22-10 kernel-* pkgs, I also tried desktop and with the 2.6.22-11 kernel and the restriced drivers tool for gnome it installed the 2.6.22-11 kernel-* bits. any ideas or should I just stfu. thanks.06:06
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scizzo-cld2: you mean that its the wrong kernel name?06:08
scizzo-cld2: I am using the nvidia-glx-new at home without problems.....its other things that is not working correct on the system I have06:08
cld2scizzo-: are you using desktop or server?06:09
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scizzo-both06:11
cld2scizzo-: on server when you did an aptitude install nvidia-glx-new did it install the current linux-image pkg?06:12
scizzo-nope06:13
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scizzo-its a lamp server so06:13
cld2oh06:13
cld2ok06:13
cld2nm06:13
scizzo-I am running nvidia-glx-new on desktop sp06:14
cld2when i installed desktop it worked fine, which is strange. oh well.06:14
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MaxLogichey my virutal desktops are in two rows, and I need to get them back onto one row so cube will work properly06:26
MaxLogichow do I do that? I can't seem to find the options anywhere06:26
MaxLogiclike right now it's on 2x2 but I need 1x4.06:26
snadgeset desktop to 1, horizontal viewports to 406:27
snadgein ccsm06:27
snadgesudo aptitude install compizconfigsettings-manager if you dont have it06:27
MaxLogicI have it, I just can't find the setting06:28
MaxLogicI found it06:29
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underwatercowIs there a reason to install Gnash over Flash?07:44
underwatercowOr would you only install Gnash if you couldn't install Flash?07:46
nemikif you care about having only open-source on your computer then get gnash07:48
nemikotherwise flash itself is much better07:48
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fuocoanyone running gutsy on powerpc?08:27
DanaGHmm, anybody here have Netgear WGR614?  I had one, but got sick of its bugginess and replaced it with something with DD-WRT.  However, now I can't remember: does the Netgear have an option to act as a wireless client bridge?08:31
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KenSentMeI don't get any startup sounds when running Gutsy, is that normal?08:47
KenSentMeSound works in other places like Banshee08:47
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fuocowhat needs to be the size of the livecd? can i burn a 707MB image these days?08:52
hylje707mb, heh08:53
hyljethat ought to be a mistake for a livecd08:53
h1st0KenSentMe: yeah they don't ahve any08:53
h1st0hylje: hrm.. yeah that doesn't sound right.08:54
hyljeile a bug08:54
hyljef08:54
h1st0?08:54
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hyljethe livecd should fit in a 700mb cd08:55
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h1st0yes08:55
h1st0hylje: have you tried burning it?08:55
hyljeno08:55
h1st0Then how do you know it doesn't fit with overburn or something?08:56
fuocoah you're right - it's just the daily ones08:56
jscinozhrrm08:56
fuocoi thought the tribes too08:56
KenSentMeh1st0, ok, thanks08:56
hyljeone should not depend on overburn08:56
hyljeits a bug08:57
jscinozHas anyone managed to get multimedia keys to work with songbird?08:57
jussi01!bug08:57
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots08:57
fuocoactually the i386 is 701MB08:59
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fuocoand there's a file .OVERSIZED to show it's wrong i suppose08:59
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h1st0lol09:07
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mzuverinkGetting ready to plug in a new hard drive oin my laptop, and install a fresh Ubuntu.  Is Gusty stable enough at this point for usage being we are about a month out of release?  Laptop will be used for amorok, k3b, openoffice.org and browsing.  Teah, yeah, I know, its testing, but I hate installing and would like to just install gusty now instead of feisty then gusty in a month, I really hate installing.09:16
pwnguinthen upgrade ;)09:16
h1st0mzuverink: you could just upgrade in a month no need to reinstall everytime.09:17
h1st0and no its not very stable.09:17
h1st0atleast for me it isn't09:17
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mzuverinkThats my gut response too, I was just wondering if many things were broke at this point and not worth trying to use it09:17
mzuverinkh1st0, I have had terrible luck with upgrading and prefer fresh installs.  Ill take your word for it and go the feisty route though.  We school starting today and such I dont have a bunch of time to troubleshoot09:19
mzuverinkthanks09:19
h1st0mzuverink: yeah I'm just havning a lot of random freezing09:20
mzuverinkh1st0, Itried herd 4, and it was really a poor experience09:21
mzuverinkthough it was very pretty09:21
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jscinozwho knows when Hardy will be available for testing?09:31
jscinoz:P09:31
fuocojscinoz: wow you're quick :)09:32
jscinoz:P09:33
jscinozcutting edge ftw :)09:33
pwnguinright now?09:33
jscinozreally? where?09:33
RAOFjscinoz: After Gutsy is released.09:33
jscinozah09:33
jscinozalrigthy09:33
pwnguinoh09:34
pwnguinman09:34
pwnguintotal brain fart09:34
pwnguinfor some reason i thought hardy was the current testing09:35
jscinozdo you guys still have this data-quota BS where you live?09:36
jscinozafk, shower :P got some questions regarding custom built packages when i get back, until then have fun :)09:37
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bbwahello I have a strange effect and do not know what is caused, perhaps the last update (gutsy) ...09:48
bbwaI have to choose a network to connect (xdmcp)09:48
bbwabut I fail on all09:49
bbwaany idea how to solve it? I try to reboot in the x.10 kernel again but it does not matter09:49
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arooni__i have two 19 LCDs capable of 1280x1024.  i have an nvidia graphics card and twinview up and running...... question:  when i maximize movie player ... it does it only for one screen.  can i maximize the window such that it is maximized across both lcds?09:55
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bbwaI noticed this too that full screen uses only one of the 2 screens09:57
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pwnguinarooni__: i have the exact opposite problem =/09:59
pwnguini can hook my tv up to twinview09:59
pwnguintotem maximizes to both screens10:00
pwnguinwhen set side by side10:00
arooni__pwnguin, can we trade10:00
arooni__?10:00
arooni__p10:00
pwnguin(for reasons unknown, clone doesnt work right on the tv)10:00
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jeroenvrpI like to switch to Gutsy, but can someone please confirm me if the issues mentioned in Bug #131995 and Bug #132053 are resolved!?10:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131995 in xorg "playing a video in various players crashes X or KDE in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13199510:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132053 in firefox "Typing in text form in Firefox becomes very slow in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13205310:01
jeroenvrpwhy are those bugs not even touched10:02
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pwnguinbecause theres 10 times as many people submitting bugs as looking at them, id guess10:05
Lynouremost people look at them, too, they just are not or do not feel authorized to change them.10:06
pwnguinbut i havent experienced the firefox bug personally10:06
jeroenvrppwnguin: well maybe its related to the video card cq driver, but it works good in feisty and older ubuntu versions10:07
pwnguinplus i dont use kubuntu =(10:08
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jeroenvrppwnguin: nothin to do with it10:11
jeroenvrpproberly10:11
pwnguinyou can duplicate in gnome?10:11
jeroenvrpwel its firefox10:12
jeroenvrpcant duplicate anything right now, because I reinstalled feisty10:12
jeroenvrpI need firefox for daily usage10:12
jeroenvrpand also video is very important10:13
h1st0oh come on you don't need pr0n that bad10:13
jeroenvrpoff course not10:13
jeroenvrp:-)10:13
h1st0lol10:15
pwnguinbetween intel, nvidia and ati, i think theres not many people left to use via graphics10:15
h1st0pwnguin: not really.  intel is even losing they are only around because of people stuck with onboard.10:16
pwnguinjeroenvrp: does that firefox bug happen in all text windows, or only ones with a lot of text already in them?10:16
pwnguinh1st0: the gma950s looked like a promising start10:17
jeroenvrppwnguin: with a lot of text in them10:17
jeroenvrpI working very much on wikipedia, that kind of texts10:17
pwnguinjeroenvrp: and im guessing a lot of english text10:18
jeroenvrppwnguin: that doesnt matter10:18
pwnguinau contraire10:18
pwnguindoes it happen in large texts in your native language?10:18
jeroenvrpalso10:19
jeroenvrpboth10:19
pwnguinhmm10:19
jeroenvrpyou think its a spellcheck issue?10:19
pwnguini was thinking it might be due to spellchecking10:19
bbwaWhen gdm starts i get a window to choose a remote host (xdmcp)  in gdm.conf xdmcp is disabled. How does this happen and how do I disable it?10:20
pwnguinheh10:20
pwnguinjinx10:20
jeroenvrpI checked that also10:20
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pwnguinjeroenvrp: its possible the kde font rendering is screwy10:21
bbwait on a (Dell d620) laptop if that helps\10:22
jeroenvrppwnguin: well no problems in feisty and before10:22
jeroenvrpbut maybe its already resolved10:22
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h1st0I still get random lock ups in gusty though.10:23
jeroenvrphave to update again for that10:23
pwnguinjeroenvrp: it might be a case of "works for me on my awesome machine"10:23
pwnguin2ghz core duo10:23
pwnguinmight be not as fast as whatever that via's got on it10:24
pwnguinerr10:24
pwnguini might not notice the slow performance because my hardware's a lot faster, is what i mean10:24
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angel25_i installed ubuntu server 7.04 on Intel Core 1.83 with 2 GB RAM (1 stick) and everyting working good , when i increase my memory to 4 GB the system got stuck and move very slowly, on the start i get an error under : loading hardware drivers - e1000: eth0: e1000_request irq unable to allocate msi interrupt error -22 someone please can help me ?10:27
jeroenvrppwnguin: proberly10:28
angel25_how can i fix that problem ?10:28
jscinoznext question... i'm making a deb package for a game, where should its data files go? /usr/share/games or /usr/lib/games?10:29
pwnguini can think of one way10:29
pwnguin(remove the 2nd stick of ram10:30
pwnguinbut more seriously10:30
pwnguinyou may need a different kernel10:30
pwnguin4GB is pushing the limits of x8610:30
pwnguinangel25_: does the system start fine with just the new memory?10:31
pwnguinjscinoz: which game?10:31
jscinozSavage :P10:31
jscinozbuilding a deb for it10:31
bbwagdm gives me a debug msg: attempting to parse key string: deamon/ServAuthDir=/var/lib/gdm could this be my problem?10:31
pwnguinjscinoz: try looking at a couple existing game packages.10:32
angel25_yes, when i am running the system with just 2GB RAM it working good10:32
jscinozhmm10:33
jscinozalright10:33
jscinozone other problem10:33
bbwa(is this the correct channel to ask these kind of question?)10:33
pwnguinangel25_: right, but did you try with both sticks? its possible the new one is bad10:33
pwnguinangel25_: both sticks seperately, of course10:34
pwnguinangel25_: alternatively, memtest would likely find any bad ram scenarios10:35
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vicktorsorry i back10:35
vicktorvicktor = angel25_10:36
vicktor:)10:36
vicktorpwnguin .. should i replace my kernel ?10:36
vicktormybe it will solve the problem ?10:36
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jscinozI'm trying to create a deb package for the MLDonkey GUI "sancho", its all good except for the menu entry, it doesnt put it in the internet category even though i've specified it, heres a paste of the /usr/share/menu/sancho.menu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/100/10:37
pwnguinvicktor: im not sure10:38
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vicktorwhere can i get that linux-image-server package ?10:41
vicktordo u have link ?10:41
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bbwaI can't get x to start as it asks me nonstop to connect to a host but it fails (even when I try localhost/127.0.0.1)10:52
bbwa...or when I try my dhcp-ed assigned ip10:53
bbwa...or even the ip of the box I use now10:54
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shivers1hello. is it possible that the nvidia-glx driver in gutsy is broken with gf 6200?10:55
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vicktorpwnguin i now installing the lastest kernel i hope it will help11:03
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pwnguinvicktor: also, this is the gutsy testing channel. are you running 7.04 or 7.10?11:10
bbwaI can ssh -x to it and start my x applications without porblems.. I simply cant het the laptop itself to start x11:12
bbwa%s/het/get/g11:14
vicktori am running 7.0411:16
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sobersabrehi.11:55
sobersabreI am trying to use ubuntu gutsy.11:55
sobersabrei've found out that there's no firmware for my ipw2200 driver in there.11:55
sobersabrewhat driver version is the ipw2200 driver under gutsy ( so I know which f/w version shall I download )11:56
sobersabre?11:56
sobersabresomebody running gutsy, please run: modinfo ipw220011:56
KenSentMeHas anyone tried running World of Warcraft on Wine in Gutsy? When i alt-tab from the game the sound stops playing.11:57
sobersabreKenSentMe: maybe there's some missing audio file ....11:57
sobersabreis somebody here actulally running gutsy11:58
sobersabre?11:58
KenSentMesobersabre, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36987/11:58
jscinozGah11:58
KenSentMesobersabre, no, the sounds is right before i run alt-tab, it just stops after switching windows. This didn't happen in feisty11:58
jscinozwhen you package a new application where should the files for the menu entries go?11:59
sobersabrejscinoz: what do you mean by Gah ?11:59
jscinoz:P11:59
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jscinozand yes i am actualyl running gutsy :P11:59
sobersabrejscinoz: can you please run this command: sudo modinfo ipw220011:59
sobersabreand tell me what version is the driver ?11:59
sobersabreKenSentMe: THANKS!12:00
sobersabrejscinoz: cancel...12:00
jscinoz1.2.0kmprq12:00
sobersabreyes.12:00
sobersabrethanks!12:00
jscinoz:P12:00
KenSentMesobersabre, np12:00
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jscinozwhen you package a new application where should the files for the menu entries go? i have them in /usr/share/menu but it puts the application in the wrong category in the menu12:00
sobersabrejscinoz: you can compare with a small application, like gedit.12:02
sobersabre( I am not diminishing it's importance, but it has quite few files )12:02
sobersabreok. I must leave.12:02
jscinozbye12:02
sobersabreand reboot into gutsy.12:02
jscinoz:P12:02
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jscinozi hate nautilus it crashes too much12:03
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XeroLost my Compiz during last night's update.12:36
XeroI get a white screen of death whenever I try to use compiz or beryl. I forgot the fix. Sorry.12:36
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robanyone know why half of the gui tools (eg. Users and Groups) just disappeared after a reboot from the menus?01:00
robor why creating folders under /home doesn't work (they just disappear)?01:00
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robits kind of spooky..01:00
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roboh wow. Sudo is broken!01:02
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angel25_pwnnguin ... i found the problem with the RAM ... it now working ok01:19
bbwasudo is broken in what way?01:27
bbwarob, I reported a but about a sudo problem a while agoo ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/13063601:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130636 in sudo "[gusty]  [sudo command &]  shows password!" [High,Confirmed] 01:28
bbwaperhaps it is the same01:29
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soul9pretty neato01:38
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lucypherhi I've found lirc_gpio in restricted manager... how about it?02:22
Picilucypher: Its for infrared communication, I'm guessing you're on a laptop with an IR thingy.02:24
Pici!info lirc | lucypher02:26
ubotulucypher: lirc: Linux Infra-red Remote Control support. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 350 kB, installed size 1700 kB02:26
lucypherPici : I don't have any IR device... I'm on a desktop PC02:27
lucypheri've found this : http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg433513.html02:28
Picilucypher: Oh, I was going to suggest logging a bug, but it looks like one exists.02:28
lucypher:-D02:29
lucypherthanks bye02:30
Pici:)02:30
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tattersis tribe 6 going to be available as a download today02:34
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kousotuhey guys, quick question involving wifi and my laptop (or any laptop really)02:57
kousotuer...02:58
kousotuthis would be better for the other chan, nvm02:58
bbwawhere is the question?02:59
dgjonestatters, not sure if tribe 6 is being released as such, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-September/000337.html03:00
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Picitatters: "Following discussion with the QA, GNOME, Linux, installer and other03:01
Piciteams we have decided not to make a formal release for Tribe 6, but03:01
Picirather to use it as a milestone for bugfixing."03:01
Piciarg.03:01
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tattersdgjones: Pici, thnx for info, I dont understand though why its not going to be released03:03
Picitatters: Do you have Gutsy installed at all right now?03:04
tattersyes installed tribe 5 and fully updated03:04
Picitatters: So, a new Tribe wouldnt be any benefit to you.  Unless you want to test installing cleanly.03:05
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kousotuPici: good, bugfixes :)03:06
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kousotuPici: like my blody issue with frets lol03:06
tattersI have found there has been a difference between an upgraded box and a fresh install of tribe releases03:06
PiciAh, okay.03:06
tatterson an upgrade from tribe 3 to present my laptop touchpad does not drag and drop, install of tribe 5 and it works out  he box03:07
kousotutatters: quick question for ya03:09
kousotutatters: if I may that is03:10
tatterskousotu: sure probably not going to be able answer but yah fire away03:10
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kousotutatters: you beter be able lol. you have a wifi switch on the front of your laptop?03:11
tattersyes03:11
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kousotutatters: ever had issuesconnectng to wifi with it?03:11
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PiciWhen its off? Of course ;)03:11
kousotumine's like. haunted lol03:11
tattersI needed to enable fsam something to make it work beause of the soft switch03:11
PiciThe switch is haunted?03:11
PiciMines a hardware switch, so nothing special needed.03:12
kousotuPici: I haven't touched it, and yesterday itworked fine03:12
kousotuPici: I went to my gram's house and was on LAN, I came ACK home and it wouldn't connect lol03:12
kousotuback*03:12
kousotumy wlan swith decided it didn;yt want to be on, because I was on lan03:13
kousotulol03:13
PiciWeird.03:13
tattersI read some laptop have a switch that turn wireless offf when connected to lan03:14
kousotuPici: that's what I sad03:14
kousotutatters: that's like wthe switch you and I both have03:14
kousotulol03:14
hwildeipw killswitch suxorz03:14
kousotulol03:15
dgjonesdoes anybody use gutsy with an rt2500 based wireless card? on fiesty, roaming mode doesn't work and just stays trying to connect, just wondered whether when gutsy is released if i'll still need to manually configure wireless03:16
kousotudgjones: usuly you just need the ssid03:17
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kousotudgjones: I have an atheros AR5007EG card. it doesn't work on fiesty, but on gutsy I just need to input one of the SSIDs in ange03:18
dgjoneskousotu, rite, i'd noticed that my laptop won't connect using roaming mode using fiesty, but wifes laptop using intel would connect, i was hoping that it'd be fixed in gutsy03:19
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kousotudgjones: sory, couldn't tell ya, I'm just a peon03:20
kousotulol03:20
kousotuer...03:20
kousotuuser is a beter word lol03:20
tattersI got 3 wireless cards usb,pci, and pcmcia all based on rt2500 chipset used to be called ra0 ra1 rausb now they called wlan worked out the box with dapper they seemed o have broke em from fiesty onwards , not bothered tring to get them to work, my laptops ipw driver works good though with wpa out the box and very stable03:20
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kousotutatters: ndis it?03:21
tatterscant be bothered to mess with that , I still use them but wiith backtrack03:21
kousotuI have my card on ndiswrapper, works well considering the ath_pci in linux does not lol03:21
baillethello. don't know if the topic has already known, but i lost my dual-display (using nvidia proprietary driver) with updates from this week end . the card is not detected. well, i don't want it to be detected, i configure it in /etc/x11/xorg.conf !03:22
dgjoneskousotu, any info is always helpful03:22
kousotudgjones: what card?03:23
kousotuPici: can commands beissued in pm to the bots?03:24
Picikousotu: yep03:24
dgjoneskousotu, its a belkin (i think 7010UK) works ok using manual configuration, i was just curious about roaming mode03:24
Picikousotu: I always keep an ubotu window open03:24
kousotulol03:24
kousotuhow does one go about doing that?03:24
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kousotuI'd love to messwith ppl at times, especially the dumb ones03:25
kousotulol03:25
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PiciWhat do you mean?03:26
kousotu[08:22]  <amri> hye03:27
kousotu[08:22]  <amri> can anyone help me?03:27
kousotu[07:42]  *** The channel topic is "Official Ubuntu Support Channel03:27
kousotucan someone hel, um.. duh?03:28
kousotuhelp*03:28
PiciNot everyone reads the topic, thats just the way it is. Also people think they are being polite by asking if someone can help them.03:28
kousotulol03:29
kousotuwell yea, but it'd be funny to see just how many ppl reply to the bot03:29
kousotulol03:29
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Picikousotu: I'd suggest against doing that.  Abuse of the bot can lead to your access to it being revoked.03:31
kousotuas if I use it anyway lol03:31
kousotuthe only comands I ever use it nvidia or paste03:31
kousotuare*03:31
Toma-are you really 'lol'ing when you say lol? coz you must be a funny person to be around... :)03:32
kousotuToma-: for the most part lol03:32
PiciToma-: ;)03:33
Hobbsee!bot03:33
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots03:33
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Hobbseehi kousotu03:34
kousotuhewo03:34
kousotusometimes I hate this laptop lol03:34
kousotuHobbsee: any way to force wifi to stay on at all times?03:34
kousotuit lkes to piss me of by shuttingoff lol03:34
Scareykousotu: do you have some sort of script adding lol to all your sentenses ?;)03:35
kousotulmao03:35
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kousotuScarey: I wish03:35
Scareyor are you just a happy git :)03:35
Hobbseekousotu: it does normally...03:35
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kousotuHobbsee: normally like to piss me off? you bet lol03:36
Hobbseeno, it normally stays on03:36
kousotuHobbsee: I ain't touched th switchn a month (barring an hr ago)03:36
kousotuand it decided to shut off on me03:37
kousotuout of no where03:37
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kousotushe was theonly onebear ir besides me, I'll just blame her03:37
kousotulol03:37
kousotunear*03:38
IdleOnehaving an issue with GPG can somebody give me a hand http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36999/03:39
kousotutwitchy window lol03:40
kousotuI wish I coud record that at times03:40
kousotulol03:40
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kousotuoh hey, Hobbsee, it seems the old ATI cads work fine in gutsy03:42
HobbseeIdleOne: incorrect filename?03:42
kousotucards*03:42
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IdleOneHobbsee: let me triple check03:42
Hobbseenice03:42
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HobbseeIdleOne: or is it already open?03:42
IdleOnethought it might be that so I closed the file and tried it again03:43
IdleOnegot that same error03:43
IdleOneHobbsee: ty need to remember about the tab complete in terminal :)03:44
HobbseeIdleOne: ah, so it was the wrong filename.  good :)03:44
IdleOnewell the file name must of had a Cap O or something I didnt notice03:44
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IdleOneHobbsee: now I am getting an error when pasting the .asc file. says Bad signature03:48
IdleOnehmmm I was supposed to add spaces to the original then --clearsign and not add spaces to the .asc right?03:48
IdleOneyup thAt was it03:49
HobbseeIdleOne: yep03:49
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Hobbsee\o/03:51
IdleOnety03:51
kousotucoc?03:51
kousotulol03:51
IdleOne!coc03:51
ubotuThe Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/03:51
kousotuah..03:52
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GillesMhi do you plan to correct realcap or realtime-lsm problem in gusty ?03:56
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IdleOneGillesM: no we were hoping to leave it broken :P03:56
IdleOnehehe sorry couldnt help myself03:56
GillesMlol03:57
GillesMis there anyone interested to correct ? :)03:59
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PiciGillesM: Is that still an issue?  Launchpad says that it was a problem in Edgy, but was okay in Feisty.04:02
GillesMpici I am testing gusty04:02
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mewt'lo everyone04:02
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PiciGillesM: Is there a bug filed for it?04:03
mewtAnyone have any problems with the latest update of nvidia-glx-new and xserver ?04:03
mewtand new kernel04:03
mewt?04:03
GillesMpici : yes04:03
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PiciGillesM: link?04:04
PiciOr Bug #?04:04
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j4nehello04:06
GillesMI don't find it for gusty04:06
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GillesMwhere can I file it ?04:07
PiciGillesM: I guess in the realtime-lsm package bug area04:08
GillesMthe problem is not simple04:09
GillesMnow reatime-lsm is realcap04:09
GillesMand the init script is realtime04:09
GillesMthere are several bugs04:10
GillesMvery simple to resolve04:10
PiciGillesM: you could ask about where to file it in #ubuntu-bugs04:10
GillesMbut you have to use multimedia04:10
_dan_hello, is there any guide or howto for upgrading to gutsy04:10
hydrogen!upgrade04:12
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes04:12
hydrogennot sure if thats for feisty or gutsy04:12
hydrogentheres instructions somewerhe04:12
_dan_its for feisty04:13
Hobbsee_dan_:04:13
Hobbsee_dan_: if you have to ask, you probably shouldnt run gutsy.04:13
_dan_lol04:14
_dan_i know how i can do it, but i thought there may be some ubuntu specific stuff i have to watch04:14
bbwa!gdm04:14
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:14
bbwapff04:14
Picibbwa: What are you looking for?04:15
Hobbseeit's a derivative of debian, so...  there's no particular ubuntu change, no04:15
_dan_i know04:15
_dan_i have been using sid for ages04:15
_dan_but switched recently04:15
hydrogenexcept for update-manager04:15
hydrogenwhich makes things pretty04:15
_dan_exactly04:15
Hobbseebut which may fall over, especially if coming from sid.04:15
_dan_so apt-get dist-upgrade is fine? no fooling around with update-manager?04:16
bbwapici: I had a lot of trouble with my gdm today... all because I screwed up the login windows settings...04:16
Hobbsee_dan_: yes.  you can use either04:17
Picibbwa: hmm..04:17
Hobbsee_dan_: but apt-get dist-upgrade works fine, change your sources.list first, as you would in debian04:17
_dan_Hobbsee how can i do it via update-manager?04:17
bbwait did cost me a day to find out why and than how to solve it04:17
Hobbsee_dan_: dont remember.  sudo update-manager -d, i suspect04:17
_dan_ill try latest daily build in virtualbox an04:18
_dan_tried that didn work, thats why i asked ;) anyway dist-upgrade is fine04:18
Hobbseeuse tribe 504:18
Hobbseethe dailies arent guarenteed to work - they arent tested04:18
_dan_well booting it up right now ;) when i upgrade tribe 5 ill be at daily build anyway?04:18
PiciThey've been oversize as of late as well.04:18
Pici_dan_: Yes.04:18
Hobbsee_dan_: correct04:19
mewtHobbsee, any idea of any problems with nvidia drivers and xserver ?04:19
HobbseePici: wouldnt surprise me, no one's lookign at them04:19
_dan_oki, well trying in virtualbox first, maybe better than on desktop04:19
mewtand the latest kernel04:19
Hobbseemewt: i'm fortunate enough to have an intel card.  therefore, no.04:19
PiciHobbsee: Oh I know, but I've been asked a few times why they are oversized.04:19
mewtmm ic, maybe i should start filing a bug, but id like someone to help me sort it out so i get a second opinion04:20
HobbseePici: ahhh.  because things have grown, and stuff has not been shoved off the cds.04:20
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PiciHobbsee: I assumed as much.04:21
Hobbseemewt: that does not mean that it is all workign fine, it means that i dont track it, as i dont have hardware and such, so have no reason to04:21
SoulChildhow do i change the boot resouloution to 1024x768 ???04:21
Pici!framebuffer | SoulChild check the options at the bottom of this04:21
ubotuSoulChild check the options at the bottom of this: If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer04:21
mewtHobbsee, yes dont worry i got as much..maybe someone else has an nvidia bug, so he owuld be familiar with the problem04:22
mewtHobbsee, it's a random restart a few seconds after boot so it's quite a deadly problem as yet04:22
Hobbseemewt: nvidia binary drivers?04:22
mewtyes04:22
Hobbseemewt: does it happen on the normal/free drivers?04:22
mewtI havent tried free drivers, Im only using nvidia-glx-new04:23
Hobbseetry the free drivers.  if it happens on the free ones too, file a bug.04:23
mewtwhat im running now is 2.6.22-10-i38604:23
mewtand it's ok04:23
mewtwith nvidia-glx-new04:23
Hobbseeif it doesnt, then curse nvidia.04:24
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Hobbseeright, so this is a bug that comes up with a different kernel only?04:24
mewti got the kernel upgrade to 2.6.22-11-generic and an update for nvidia-glx-new04:24
mewtye04:24
mewtwent into it and ended up in a console04:24
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mewtas soon as i tried to type in anything04:24
mewtmy pc rebooted04:24
mewtnext time round i was quick04:24
mewtbooted in04:24
mewtand stopped gdm04:24
mewtand didnt restart04:24
SoulChildwhen i add vga=790  (this is a 1024x768) resouloution ,.. i have a blank screen during boot ,... can someone help me with that ???04:25
mewtI then ran, nvidia-xconfig enable to try enable the kernel module for my current version04:25
mewtrebooted and still got the same problem04:25
mewtso its like im locked to this kernel to get a gui04:25
mewtDon't know if it's nvidia related, xserver or kernel04:26
mewtor gdm04:26
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mewtHobbsee, what do you think ?04:27
Hobbseei'd wonder if the nvidia stuff got enabled for that kernel.04:27
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mewtHobbsee, that's why i ran nvidia-xconfig enable04:33
mewtso make sure it enabled04:33
mewtis there a way to enable it without running that kernel ?04:33
Hobbseemewt: i have no idea.04:35
mewtHobbsee, ok thanks anyway..Do you know anyone else who has experience maybe on the subject ?04:36
Hobbseemewt: nope.  other people with nvidia cards04:37
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mewtIll hit the forums :)04:42
mewtthanks04:42
dfgasi am wondering if there is anyone that has gotten seamless working with ubuntu and virtualbox? if so can you help me getting it working?04:50
_dan_works out of the box for me (feisty tho)04:51
_dan_u need to install guestaddons tho04:53
_dan_and only works for windows guests04:53
dfgasi had to re install it04:55
dfgasthe additions04:55
dfgasguess i should have done that right away04:55
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stefgsomeone used both vmware and virtualbox? I'd like to hear about experiences in #ubuntu-offtopic04:56
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dfgashttp://burhite.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=155505:14
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AnAntHello, how can I configure Gutsy not to change my DNS settings ? I notice that NetworkManager overwrites /etc/resolv.conf05:26
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bbwaAnAnt, What I do is always fillin the hostname in the general tab, if you do so and name it everywhere the same I guess it will work05:48
bbwa*dns tab ;-)05:49
Picibbwa: AnAnt left about 15 minutes ago.05:50
bbwaok waste of energy here ;-)05:50
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cld2im running server and when I try to install nvidia-glx-new for the 2.6.22-11 kernel I get the linux-kernel-* pkgs for 2.6.22-10, and is there anything I can do about it. it seems to make the nvidia module unloadable. thanks.05:52
stefgeither wait until nvidia-glx-new got updated as well, or use the nv-driver in the meantime05:55
stefgcld205:55
Trewashmph, networkmanager having weird problems part some-big-number, this hotel (or someone near the hotel, I don't actually know) has an open wlan, networkmanager cannot get connection while it works perfectly with manual iwconfig/dhclient05:56
cld2stefg: thats what Ive been doing, I was just wondering. wanted to make sure it wasnt me. thanks.05:56
stefgcld2: or roll your own.. build-essential, nvidia-source, module-assistant ..... you know the drill05:57
cld2stefg: yup. I was trying to get away with just pkgs. I tried doing it all by hand but the nvidia-glx-new still was asking for the 2.6.22-10 bits. I can wait. I run wmii for a wm so I dont even need the 3d. I just got a new laptop so I was more or less just wanted to see if it would work. thanks again.05:58
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cld2so I installed xserver-xorg last night and I got xfonts-base along with it, I did it again this morning and no xfonts-base. is this by design?06:09
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blizzowAnything seriously broken with the 2.6.22-11 linux headers?06:39
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Piciblizzow: not to my knowledge.  A few people came come in complaining of nvidia issues though.06:48
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blizzowWell, I guess now's the big test.  I wasn't able to type my username or password into GDM using the 2.6.22-10 kernel.  How do i instruct GRUB to use runlevel 3 instead of 5?06:53
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KenSentMeAnyone playing World of Warcraft under Wine on Gutsy? I loose my sound if i alt-tab from the game07:04
KenSentMeOnly the ingame sound that is, other sounds in Ubuntu keep working07:04
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blizzowhmmm, update manager is requesting I do a partial upgrade and complains that the upgrade needs a total of 83.9M of free space on boot.  That seems excessive.  Anyone seen this before or know how to get around it?07:18
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mrtimdogHi, what's the easiest way of uninstalling all but package ubuntu-minimal and all it's dependencies?07:31
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CoasterMasterDo the Tribe releases have Live CDs?08:18
_siddCoastMaster: Yes, I believe they do.08:21
CoasterMaster_sidd: thanks, want to see what it looks like, but I don't want to upgrade just yet08:22
_siddCoasterMaster: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-508:22
CoasterMaster_sidd, thanks again08:24
_siddCoasterMaster: np.08:24
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yaserany one has installed Avant Window Navigator in Gutsy?08:34
scizzo-right....ummm anyone else but me still having problems with keybindings and so on in gutsy?08:36
scizzo-that is resize (Alt+Button 3), move (Alt+Button 1) and focus (normal click?08:37
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gibHas anyone else noticed that you can't turn off "field shadings" (ie gray background behind bullets, etc.) in oowriter 2.3?  When you uncheck the View/Field Shadings, nothing changes--they stay shaded.09:32
gibI  wonder if this is a bug in oo 2.3, or just ubuntu gusty's compilation of it.09:32
gibWhat is the name of the channel for openoffice and/or oowriter?09:33
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gibI guess 191 people are sleeping at the wheel.09:37
asisakgib: sure :)09:40
asisakTo be honest I have not noticed this.09:40
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gibIf you type something with bullets,  does a gray background show behind bullets?09:42
gibDoes it go away if you uncheck field shadings from the view menu?09:42
=== asisak should have to to fire up an oowriter
jsomersany news about gnome-main-menu being updated or so?09:42
IntuitiveNipplegib: I can't find 'field shadings' to check ... give me a clue?09:43
IntuitiveNippleduh! blind as a bat09:44
gib:)09:44
gibDoes it have any effect when you toggle it back and forth when you have a bulleted list?09:44
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IntuitiveNipplegib: Should that be controlled by field shading though? It marks the 'dead space' after the bullet09:45
IntuitiveNippleIt doesn't change it, no09:45
IntuitiveNipplegib: Ahhh, it does look like a bug. I inserted a date field and it doesn't change the field shading on that09:46
gibI think so.  Can you find any other way to make the bullet have no background, just blend in?09:46
IntuitiveNipplegib: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org2/+bug/13441509:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134415 in openoffice.org2 "Unable to disable field shadings" [Undecided,New] 09:48
IntuitiveNippleI've added a report to the bug09:50
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gibThanks.  I hope they fix it before the final release, because it drives me nuts.  That's one reason I don't use abiword, because they don't let you turn it off as far as I can tell.09:53
IntuitiveNipplegib: If you do Tools/Options OpenOffice.org > Appearance - Custom Colours - Text Document09:58
IntuitiveNippleEven if you turn off Field-Shadings they remain, so it does look like a bug09:59
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gibYeah, it seems so.  I wonder how such an obvious and visable bug got through to this point.  Everybody must use bullets at some point, and I assume many want to see it as it's going to look printed as they work with it.  The gray backgrounds annoy the hell out of me.  I can't be alone on that.  :)10:02
IntuitiveNippleChange the colour to white for the time being10:03
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jordan__Hello.  Is the RT73 wireless nic chipset properly supported in Gusty?10:07
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d4rkmonkey!hardware | jordan__10:12
ubotujordan__: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport10:12
d4rkmonkeyjordan__ I'm not actually sure how helpful that will be, but you could always try running a gutsy live CD.10:13
jordan__d4arkmonkey does this include gusty gibbon? im more concerned about the devs fixing the rt73 from 7.04 - 7.1010:13
IntuitiveNipplejordan__: I helped a couple people install the drivers on Feisty but I'm not sure about Gutsy10:13
jordan__Yeah I installed the drivers on feisty but it was a pain so I decided to wait for gusty, but now it seems pretty mature as im using it on my desktop10:14
IntuitiveNippleI don't have access to that chipset unfortunately10:14
jordan__Its a pain in the butt, always disconnecting and junk10:15
jordan__Ah well, theres no harm in trying gusty on the laptop! thanks for your help guys10:16
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tattersIf I do a netboot install of gutsy what version do I get ?10:23
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Stwangehow's gutsy different? I have nothing critical on this computer, so I could cope with a buggy OS (I used Windows for years), but if it's not much different I'm not sure it's worth it10:37
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Stwangeis it close to completion? Ie. is this last month "pretty much finished, ironing out a couple of bugs", or "we're going to have to work night and day to meet the deadline"?10:38
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TehRandomis there any sort of ncurses/text config util for 7.10?10:42
tattersIIIIII been running gutsy since tribe 3 aftr yrs with windows it has its moments but overall at this stage its pretty stable imo10:45
TehRandomis sshd disabled by default in 7.1 or is this a firewall on by default issue?10:46
tattersdont think sshd was evr enabled by default , I could be wrong though10:47
tattersas far as      I know there no running services on defualt install10:48
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TehRandomi'm referencing the Ubuntu service guide, but i dont see anything for centralized service control, a la redhat's "service" command10:49
TehRandomis Ubuntu more like Slack that way?10:49
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TehRandomin that each service is controlled individually with no overmind?10:51
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tatterswell your Q went over the head of my simple mind10:53
tattersservices can be controlled simply by stopping and starting them ?10:54
TehRandomin redhat you type crap like "service ssh start"10:54
TehRandomto start the services10:54
TehRandominstead of /etc/rc.d/init.d/rc.ssh start / stop10:55
TehRandomwhich is how slackware does it10:55
tattersthen its omparable to slackware10:55
TehRandomk10:55
TehRandomwith slack all of the services have an rc file, such as /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd10:55
TehRandomis there an equivalent scripts folder on ubuntu?10:56
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garfieldhow do i upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10?10:59
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d4rkmonkeygarfield best way is probably a clean install.11:03
garfieldd4rkmonkey: i just want to see wa the 7.10 look like befor i reinstall because the the 7.10 is reaching to it's fanal stage the end of october and im confuse about these version so i want to install it to see if in oct i will upgrade11:05
d4rkmonkeygarfield why don't you just run the live CD then?11:06
garfieldi dont want to download 700mb11:07
garfieldallready my pc bug out it might be download bad11:08
d4rkmonkey!upgrade | garfield11:09
ubotugarfield: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes11:09
d4rkmonkeyI think that has info for upgrading to gutsy too11:09
^^MAg^^any1 here using ecryptfs on gutsy?11:09
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scizzo-well I can say that the x-server system is really acting strange lately11:11
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scizzo-I have managed to find out that a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is not really the best thing to reconfigure X anymore11:12
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tormodscizzo-: not having an xorg.conf is sometimes the best11:19
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scizzo-tormod: well most of the information in the file is missing11:22
scizzo-tormod: if I do a reconfigure I get no files added to the list of files and no mods11:22
tormodscizzo-: because most of the time you don't need those sections11:23
scizzo-tormod: well thats not the main problem of it.....after doing a reconfigure I get from starting the nvidia-settings manager that nvidia is not running which it actually is11:25
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XeroHello. After updating nvidia-glx I have a white screen bug in Xgl/Compiz.11:34
XeroIs there anything I can do to fix that?11:34
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d4rkmonkeyXero not use Compiz or XGL? sn't there some nvidia-new package too or something?11:39
Xerod4rkmonkey, nvidia-glx is for my old card.11:39
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d4rkmonkeyXero Well, I'm not of much help then.11:39
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shaquilledoes anybody know what kernel is best used for a dual core processor in gutsy? my core 2 duo is not being detected/utilized since I upgraded11:51
shaquillei looked about for an smp kernel, but all i found was a transition package pointing to an older kernel that was already installed and not a 2.6.22 kernel at all11:52
hydrogenwhat do you mean by "not being detected"11:52
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shaquillewell, /proc/cpuinfo shows processor : 0 instead of processor : 1 like I believe it should. also, htop only shows one cpu, and it's much more sluggish11:54
shaquillea couple hours ago, before i upgraded this machine, htop showed 2 cpu graphs, one for each processor, now, not so much11:55
albert23shaquille: generic kernel works for me11:55
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shaquilleare you using a core2 as well albert?11:57
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albert23Yes, this is what cpuinfo sees model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7500  @ 2.20GHz11:58
shaquilleyeah mine lists the model name correctly as well. i'm talking about the first line, the processor line11:59
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albert23I have the processor line 2 times. 1st with processor 0, 2nd with processor 112:00
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shaquilleman, that's weird. see mine only has the one line, just processor 012:00
shaquillei didn't have this problem with the generic kernel in feisty, so I'm not sure what to make of it12:01
albert23Does dmesg show any message about CPU1?12:01
shaquillehmm. yeah, it does12:02
shaquilleProcessor #0 6:15 APIC version 2012:02
shaquille[    0.000000]  ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01]  lapic_id[0x01]  enabled)12:02
shaquille[    0.000000]  Processor #1 6:15 APIC version 2012:02
shaquille[    0.000000]  WARNING: NR_CPUS limit of 1 reached.  Processor ignored.12:02
albert23hmm, strange12:03
shaquilleprocessor ignored. man, what's up with that?12:03
albert23sounds like your kernel only supports 1 cpu12:04
albert23what did youexactly install?12:04
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shaquillei just hit mark all upgrades in synaptic, so it installed 2.6.22.11.1212:05
albert23I have 2.6.22-11.32-generic12:06
shaquilleuname -a gives me 2.6.22-11-386 #1 Fri Sep 7 04:33:15 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux12:07
albert23that does not look like the generic kernel12:07
albert23I have 2.6.22-11-generic #1 SMP Fri Sep 7 04:31:16 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux12:08
shaquilleyeah, i see your point12:11
shaquilleit looks like synaptic installed that version as well12:11
shaquillei don't even see the one i'm running right now as installed in synaptic12:12
shaquillenot sure why12:12
albert23time to switch kernels, I think12:13
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albert23I seem to be lucky, AMD64 only has the generic SMP kernel12:13
shaquilleI think i see what happened12:16
albert23Did you upgrade or is it a fresh install?12:18
shaquilleit was an upgrade12:18
albert23and you had generic in Feisty?12:19
shaquillethe latest listed linux-generic is the 2.6.22.11.12 that I've got, but like you've got, the latest linux-image-2.6.22.11-generic is the one you've got, the .3212:20
shaquilleyeah i had generic in feisty12:21
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albert23In that case I would think the update should be able to pick the right kernel12:22
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shaquilleso i guess what happened was when i did the upgrade, it went for the linux-generic which is that version i've got now. linux-generic is not pointing to the latest version12:24
albert23No, that linux-generic depends on the real latest kernel12:25
albert23I think you may have set-up you system using linux-image-386, and only later added a linux-image-2.6.xx-yy-generic12:26
mon^rchcan somebody using feisty tar up their gaim emoticons for me... I dont like the ones for pidgin as much12:26
shaquilleit's possible, is the linux-image-386 the generic one? because if so, that's certainly what it was originally set up for back when it was using feisty12:28
albert23No, the package you are supposed to use is linux-image-generic12:29
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shaquillethe thing is, i'm looking at the gutsy repo right now, in feisty. and right next to both linux-generic and linux-image-generic is listed 2.6.22.11.1212:30
shaquillenot the 2.6.22-11.32 that you've got, though i do see it there12:30
IgorSobreirahey guys...ive installed ubuntu 7.10 but after upgrade the system it doenst start anymore...dont even see the login window...12:30
albert23That's what I see as well12:31
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albert23If you look at the dependencies of that package, you will see the .3212:31
shaquilleso i'm not just imagining things then right? the metapackage isn't pointing to it?12:32
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albert23In my synaptic linux-image-generic 2.6.22.11.12 depends on linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic which provides the 11.32 kernel12:35
XeroOkay.12:35
XeroHere's my situation: After updating nvidia-glx, I get a white screen bug in Compiz.12:35
XeroIs there ANY way to fix this?12:35
albert23shaquille: anyway, I guess you will need to try and install linux-image-generic to get your 2nd core up and running12:36
XeroUgh. Please help me. I've been waiting for hours, leaving off and on12:36
shaquillei installed the .32 image, is there anything else I need if i avoid the metapackage?12:37
shaquillei got the headers too for that image as well12:37
albert23I think you should use the meta package, just to prevent this type of problems12:38
XeroPlease, please, please, help.12:38
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albert23Xero: sorry, I have Intel graphics12:39
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shaquilleOK then, i'm installing that metapackage too. seems mildly confusing to have metapackages as dependencies of metapackages etc. but if it gets me my second core running, that works for me :)12:44
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shaquilleguess i'll reboot and check out grub, and see if it shows up now. brb!12:47
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shaquillewell, it looks like that did it!12:55
albert23:-)12:56
shaquillethanks for the great help albert, i appreciate it a lot12:56
albert23no problem, glad it works12:56
shaquillewell, see ya12:57
shaquillethanks again12:57
shaquille:D12:58
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larson9999just applied today's upgrades and firefox is SLOWW. swiftfox isn't though01:18
d4rkmonkeylarson9999 firefox is running fine for me?01:18

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