[12:11] <nickrud> ok, livingdaylight
[12:11] <livingdaylight> nickrud, ^^
[12:12] <nickrud> put the contents of /etc/fstab, on a pastebin
[12:14] <livingdaylight> nickrud, /etc/fstab output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36961/
[12:16] <nickrud> livingdaylight: looks good; do you see all of your files in /home/you ?
[12:16] <nalioth> nickrud! howdy!
[12:16] <livingdaylight> yes, but i don't see my external hard drive... but the lights are constantly flickering
[12:17] <livingdaylight> nickrud, and when i tried to run Amarok it did an 'update' and it seemed it was drawing the music from the external
[12:17] <nickrud> nalioth: ho you doin
[12:17] <nalioth> nickrud: mind if if chip in?
[12:17] <nickrud> nalioth: please do, I've got three things going at once
[12:18] <nalioth> livingdaylight: can you open a terminal, please?
[12:18] <nickrud> nalioth: livingdaylight moved his home to his external, he's about to investigate if it was done properly
[12:18] <livingdaylight> nalioth, sure
[12:19] <nalioth> oh, hi jrib :)  i was just warming up the audience for ya
[12:19] <nalioth> nickrud: nah, it's all good
[12:19] <nickrud> lol, a joke :)
[12:19] <livingdaylight> :/
[12:19] <nalioth> livingdaylight: type 'ls /media' and see if you see anything
[12:20] <livingdaylight> nalioth, cdrom  cdrom0  cdrom1  floppy  floppy0
[12:20] <nalioth> livingdaylight: gnome or kde ?
[12:20] <livingdaylight> gnome
[12:21] <nalioth> livingdaylight: in nautilus, hit "go > computer" and see what's there
[12:21] <livingdaylight> nalioth, i got an external 2.5 usb hard drive. I wanted to convert it for storage/backup
[12:22] <livingdaylight> i followed this psychocats howto: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[12:23] <livingdaylight> i adapted that and got to the bit at the end after rebooting but havent removedbackup: sudo rm -rf /home_backup
[12:25] <livingdaylight> nalioth, i see 6 there: floppy; cdrom1; cdrom2; cd-rw drive; cd-rw/ dvd+/-rw drive; filesystem
[12:27] <livingdaylight> nalioth, i feel like adding that final line: sudo rm -rf /home_backup
[12:27] <livingdaylight> to complete the process
[12:28] <nickrud> livingdaylight: ok, it looks like you are using the external for home, since you see it all there and when you use amarok you're writing to the external
[12:28] <livingdaylight> nickrud, the external wasn't meant to replace my ubuntu... but as storage only to write to
[12:29] <nickrud> livingdaylight: then why did you say you wanted to use it for home? heh. Pelo(?) and I both heard that
[12:29] <livingdaylight> nickrud, how to i make my Desktop primary as it were, again?
[12:30] <nickrud> livingdaylight: remove the /home line in /etc/fstab, and cp the stuff back from /home_backup back to /home/<you>.
[12:30] <livingdaylight> no, that is just it... i said that i wanted to put things from my /home in there!
[12:30] <livingdaylight> not to replace or use it as /home
[12:30] <livingdaylight> that is why i was happy just to be able to drag and drop things in it... but you guys kept telling me i would lose the settings and it wasn't the right way to go about it
[12:30] <nickrud> oh, then just plug it in, and drag & drop. Thats why we kept talking about keeping your settings :)
[12:32] <livingdaylight> i kept asking why i had to follow that guide... coz i was happy to just copy and paste and use the external for data storage... i was very resitant to following the guide if you recall
[12:32] <livingdaylight> so, what now? if i remove external will everything still  be in my /home (that is the main thing first of all)
[12:33] <livingdaylight> because i also said i didn't want to save 'everything' in my /home but wanted to pick and choose
[12:35] <nickrud> livingdaylight: sorry was away for a sec. If you haven't deleted it, its' still there, in /home_backup
[12:35] <livingdaylight> ok
[12:35] <livingdaylight> that is why i held back on that last one: sudo rm -rf /home_backup
[12:35] <nickrud> livingdaylight: looking back, Jordan_U and I definitely weren't listening :)
[12:36] <nickrud> livingdaylight: sorry is all I can say, and I am
[12:38] <livingdaylight> everyone was telling me to follow that guide. He initially told me to adapt it to my situation... i didn't see how it was what i needed. I just wnated to be able to have 'write' rights in it.. and as you recall i had issues with formatting the thing coz nautilus would jump in and i had to get out of x in the end... but after i managed that and chown user:user /media/sdb1 i was happy
[12:38] <livingdaylight> nickrud, np :D
[12:38] <nickrud> livingdaylight: damn, well, to cover my butt I'll claim that you learned a lot ;)
[12:38] <livingdaylight> LoL...if you can just help me revert things back...
[12:38] <livingdaylight> lol
[12:39] <livingdaylight> i did a bit... so, it wasn't hours totally wasted
[12:39] <nickrud> livingdaylight: sure. first, do sudo -i
[12:40] <livingdaylight> nickrud, ok, i'm root
[12:40] <nickrud> livingdaylight: now, umount /home
[12:40] <livingdaylight> umount: /home: device is busy
[12:41] <nickrud> argh. boot into the live cd, it'll be easier all round
[12:41] <livingdaylight> hrmmm... have to find my ubuntu live cd then... (its somewhere)
[12:41] <jrib> recovery mode will work too
[12:41] <nickrud> jrib: true
[12:42] <nickrud> assume I've muttered something about root
[12:49] <livingdaylight> nickrud, will any live cd do? can't find feisty
[12:49] <nickrud> livingdaylight: you can reboot into recovery mode as well
[12:49] <livingdaylight> ok, lets do that
[12:52] <livingdaylight> nickrud, what am i doing there?
[12:53] <nickrud> ok, umount /home
[12:53] <nickrud> we're gonna make sure the /home/<you> directory is good, then set up the external to mount normally when plugged in
[01:02] <livingdaylight> nickrud: ok, umount /home?
[01:02] <nickrud> yes
[01:02] <livingdaylight> ok
[01:02] <livingdaylight> and now?
[01:03] <nickrud> now ls /home/<you> , are the files visible?
[01:03] <livingdaylight> no
[01:04] <nickrud> livingdaylight: ok, does the directory /home/you exist?
[01:05] <nickrud> livingdaylight: if not, mkdir /home/you <-- your username
[01:06] <livingdaylight> nickrud: sorry, it is there after all... somereason when i first did ls /home/conrad it said there was no such directoryor something.... but i do see it now
[01:06] <nickrud> is it empty?
[01:06] <livingdaylight> there's also home_backup
[01:07] <nickrud> livingdaylight:   type mount , and make sure that /home is not mounted
[01:07] <livingdaylight> no, its got all my stuff as far asi can tell...yes
[01:08] <nickrud> livingdaylight: ok, then nano /etc/fstab , and delete the line mounting home
[01:08] <livingdaylight> nickrud: wait... how do i make sure that /home is not mounted?
[01:09] <livingdaylight> that was the last line wasn't it?
[01:09] <nickrud> livingdaylight: type mount , that will list everything that's mounted. /home and /dev/sdb1 should be no where in that output
[01:09] <livingdaylight> the one i added yesterday from that psychocat howto
[01:09] <nickrud> livingdaylight: yes
[01:10] <livingdaylight> hrmmm.../dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 are both mounted
[01:10] <livingdaylight> but i don't see /home as such
[01:11] <livingdaylight> ahh...
[01:11] <nickrud> livingdaylight: what does it say /dev/sbd1 is mounted as?
[01:11] <livingdaylight> /dev/sdb1 on /home type ext3 (rw, nosuid, nodev)
[01:11] <nickrud> umount /home , check again with mount
[01:12] <livingdaylight> thats better
[01:12] <nickrud> ok, now check again, are your files in /home/conrad
[01:12] <livingdaylight> ok, now nano...
[01:12] <nickrud> nano's ok also :)
[01:14] <livingdaylight> nickrud: ok
[01:14] <livingdaylight> reboot?
[01:14] <nickrud> ok, how's /home/conrad looking?
[01:16] <livingdaylight> nickrud: there is /home but no /home/conrad :o
[01:16] <nickrud> ok mkdir /home/conrad
[01:17] <livingdaylight> from where?
[01:17] <nickrud> in a terminal
[01:17] <nickrud> :)
[01:17] <livingdaylight> i'm in a terminal ^^
[01:17] <nickrud> type:    mkdir /home/conrad
[01:18] <livingdaylight> from /home ?
[01:18] <nickrud> anywhere, since that's an absolute path (starts with /) it'll work anywhere
[01:18] <livingdaylight> or cd back out of /home where i am justnow
[01:18] <livingdaylight> ok
[01:19] <livingdaylight> nickrud: done
[01:19] <nickrud> argh, lets do this a bit differently that I first intended; rmdir /home/conrad
[01:20] <livingdaylight> ok
[01:22] <nickrud> now, mv /home_backup /home/conrad
[01:23] <livingdaylight> ok
[01:24] <nickrud> done?
[01:24] <livingdaylight> nickrud: now it looks like /home/conrad/conrad
[01:24] <livingdaylight> yes
[01:25] <nickrud> livingdaylight: you didn't rmdir /home/conrad :)   do  mv  /home/conrad/conrad  /home_backup
[01:28] <livingdaylight> nickrud: ok, that's better :D
[01:28] <livingdaylight> reboot?
[01:29] <nickrud> livingdaylight: ok, you have /home/conrad, with all the files in it?
[01:29] <livingdaylight> or i could cfdisk while i'm here
[01:29] <livingdaylight> yes
[01:29] <nickrud> no1
[01:29] <nickrud> !NO! lol
[01:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about no! lol - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:29] <nickrud> run mount one more time, just for fun, check that we really aren't seeing the external
[01:29] <livingdaylight> ?
[01:29] <nickrud> cfdisk, no!
[01:30] <livingdaylight> ok, just that from graphical mode, remember, nautilus always interrupted the process
[01:30] <livingdaylight> mount from /home/conrad# works?
[01:30] <livingdaylight> or cd out of there?
[01:30] <nickrud> first things first
[01:30] <nickrud> make sure the external is not mounted
[01:31] <nickrud> then ls -l /home/conrad , make sure that everything is conrad:conrad
[01:31] <livingdaylight> i only see /dev/sda1 on /type ext3
[01:31] <livingdaylight> proc on /proc tpe proc
[01:32] <nickrud> then -ls -l /home , make sure conrad is conrad:conrad
[01:32] <livingdaylight> nickrud: yup
[01:33] <nickrud> if thats all true, reboot, unplug the external during bios boot, and ping me
[01:33] <livingdaylight> well there is no : in between but that is not what ou mean
[01:33] <livingdaylight> ok :D
[01:38] <livingdaylight> nickrud: ping
[01:38] <nickrud> all good?
[01:39] <livingdaylight> yup : )
[01:39] <nickrud> ok, sorry about this again.
[01:39] <livingdaylight> no, worries... good learning curve for me
[01:40] <nickrud> it's one thing to muck up my own machine, but someone else's, well. Thanks
[01:40] <livingdaylight> so, we had the external all setup good yesterday.... get out of X, use cfdisk to reformat and mkfs3 then the chown command and i'm good i think
[01:40] <nalioth> nickrud: go have a drink  :)
[01:41] <nickrud> nalioth: ah, I need to go shoot something up. How about flying out?
[01:41] <nickrud> livingdaylight: no need to reformat, just delete the stuff you don't want to keep
[01:42] <nalioth> i think it'd work better if you flew here  :|
[01:42] <nickrud> maybe next spring, before it gets hot
[01:43] <livingdaylight> nickrud: yes, i've just plugged it back in.... its all there in conrad... you're right... i can juset go in and manage it from there as is.... no need to redo it all
[01:44] <livingdaylight> nickrud: only thing i suppose is that all the 'setting's are in place taking up extra space?
[01:44] <livingdaylight> all the /. files?
[01:44] <livingdaylight> or . files whatever they're called the hhidden ones
[01:45] <nickrud> livingdaylight: yes, you can open it in nautilus, and use view->show hidden files to find them
[01:45] <nalioth> livingdaylight: you'd be surprised how little space they take up
[01:45] <livingdaylight> ok.. sweet
[01:46] <livingdaylight> nickrud: Well, that is a result ... Thanks for bearing with me... i appreciate it
[01:46] <livingdaylight> we got there in the end LoL
[01:46] <nickrud> livingdaylight: thanks for not getting angry. And, very true
[01:46] <nickrud> see you about
[01:46] <livingdaylight> ok, cu :D
[01:47] <jrib> 1.5G    .Tracker    wow
[04:15] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: cat got your tongue?
[04:16] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: nah - gerbil
[08:49] <emerzh> RE all ;)
[10:48] <niluge> bonjour