=== AltF4 [i=AltF4@h75-100-1-178.75-100.unk.tds.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === AltF4 [i=AltF4@h75-100-1-178.75-100.unk.tds.net] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Timelord_ [n=jeremy@i-195-137-17-204.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-57-89.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === MythbuntuGuest37 [n=Mythbunt@208.33-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:18] hey hey [02:18] hi [02:18] anyone still awake? [02:18] that would be kinda what the hi was for [02:18] and lots of people are still awake [02:18] hehe [02:19] as it's only 17:19 here :) [02:19] i'm having some issues with my videodrivers,.. [02:19] 02:19 here [02:19] it's probably best to tell your problem [02:19] i have read there is a bug that you can't install something regarding the drivers during the initial installation [02:20] correct [02:20] minor bug [02:20] i have encountered that problem, [02:20] and... [02:20] how can i get my tv out to work then? [02:21] if i don't install that part [02:21] you have to install restricted drivers after the installation [02:21] you can access the control centre and install from there [02:21] i have done that as well, and after reboot i get the bluescreen saying i messed up my xorg [02:22] cc wasn't "selectable" to install [02:22] so now i have mythbuntu booting up with blue screen of death and i have no idea how to fix this [02:23] apart from reinstall then [02:23] what video card? [02:23] onboard ati radeon X1250 [02:24] asus M2 VM HDMI motherboard [02:25] hmm [02:25] which drivers did you load? [02:26] i can't access the system to check,.. but as i recall where you go into the configuration of the drivers,.. the top one [02:27] you had restricted drivers, then something else, then ccontrol center and again something else [02:27] do you see where i am getting at? [02:28] sec [02:28] superm1, any input? [02:29] hmm [02:29] okay so latest way this has happened - you did a basic install [02:29] but chose a driver during install [02:29] gdm wouldnt load consequently? [02:29] am i correct? [02:29] gdm? [02:29] or did you install driver via restricted-manager then after install? [02:30] i installed, everything works, apart from vnc, tvout [02:30] you didn't get presented with a mythtv setup after install [02:30] yes [02:30] you got the blue gdm screen [02:30] about how it wouldnt load [02:30] well vnc only works when xorg is running [02:30] yes, but not right after install,.. after installing the restricted drivers [02:31] can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log then? [02:31] sec [02:31] !pastebin | MythbuntuGuest37 [02:31] MythbuntuGuest37: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [02:34] how do i copy the whole text? [02:34] well at this point, the best way is to probably ssh to this box from another one with a full out gui [02:35] i ssh'd in trough a terminal [02:35] i just don't know how to copy all of the txt [02:38] could you tell me how? [02:39] could this have anything to do with it? [02:39] Fatal server error: no screens found [02:40] this is at the very end of the log : http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/36963/ [02:42] superm1 are you still there? [02:42] well you can highlight it all and then paste it [02:42] if your on a linux machine, just middle click to paste [02:43] in windows with putty i dont know off hand [02:43] i'm on ubuntu but the window won't scroll [02:43] MG37, are you using nano? [02:44] vi [02:44] superm1, i think the question is how to select all the text === tgm4883_laptop also doesn't know this [02:44] oh just cat instead [02:44] cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log [02:44] or if you ssh in with a -X, you can use a graphical editor like nano [02:44] *gedit [02:44] geany [02:44] etc [02:47] installing gedit now === propson [n=razman@host-84-9-193-162.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:48] hello all [02:49] is it true that there will soon be weekly builds of mythtv-trunk? [02:49] this is true [02:49] just need the mirrors set up, the PPA is able to build them now [02:50] excellent, so we are talking about the next few days? [02:50] hopefully :) [02:50] i'm going to try to fix the problem with the weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org mirror tomorrow afternoon [02:50] so provided that works right we can do a formal announcement for them [02:50] nice one. will check it out === propson [n=razman@host-84-9-193-162.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [02:51] http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/36965/ [02:51] i have found it [02:53] you have two displays attached [02:53] it would appear [02:54] tv and screen yes [02:55] tv and monitor [02:55] perhaps can you unplug one of them [02:55] and try again? [02:55] sec [02:55] either that or force override one of them to be disabled in the config [02:57] the screen is back [02:57] xorg is fine [02:57] but now the tv out part,.. [02:57] how do i get that to work? [02:58] well hdmi is really just dvi, i want to say you're able to plug in the tv instead, and remove the monitor [02:58] restart x and magic *should* work [02:59] i'll give it a try now [03:03] yep,.. i see the bootscreen [03:03] great!! [03:03] well if this is all it was, that was wayyy too easy of a solution :) [03:04] go magic !!! [03:04] all of the troubles aren't gone you know :d [03:04] how can i set up my DBV card? :s [03:04] from the control centre, just choose mythtv-setup [03:04] and follow through that [03:04] it is recognised, but i have no clue on how to search for channels e.d. [03:05] well once you attach the video source to an input connection, you just open up the channel scanner there [03:08] where do i find the scanner? [03:09] when i choose "watch tv" i get the error that all available inputs are being used [03:09] its all in that mythtv-setup area [03:09] from the control centre [03:13] DaveMorris, did you sort out what was happening in your builds? [03:13] in the screen where you can scan i get "opening of the card failed [03:13] it's a technotrend card [03:13] maybe i have the settings wrong? [03:16] it is recognised in the tvcard settings [03:16] but in the channelscanner i have "can't open device" [03:17] did you make sure to choose the correct card type? [03:18] only one is recognised [03:19] there's only one option for DVB cards [03:20] and did you add the correct video source for the card then when you bound it to the input connection? [03:21] i have got a little progress now [03:21] i get error parsing parameters [03:21] it's a dvb sattelite card [03:24] i'll play around with it a little more later tomorrow,.. [03:25] just one final thing,.. [03:25] ya [03:25] how can i get files (movies and music) onto the mythbuntu [03:25] samba is setup by default [03:25] and so is nfs [03:25] so you can copy them over via either of those methods [03:26] or stream via either of those methods [03:26] ok i see it,.. [03:26] thanks!! [03:29] it's 3:30 am,.. i'm off to bed! [03:29] nn MythbuntuGuest37 [03:29] have fun [03:38] Daviey, i'm gonna commit an update to the mirroring script tonight that should include trunk in the mirroring process [03:38] assuming that laga gives the +2 on the builds going live in a day or two [03:56] Daviey, okay consider it committed. laga i found a minor typo in the changes you pushed up this morning, but otherwise things look sane [04:38] well Daviey i just ran the mirroring script on axel's box, but still get something odd: [04:38] W: Conflicting distribution: http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org gutsy Release (expected gutsy but got ) [04:38] W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems === foxbuntu [n=nfoxqci@12-216-16-102.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:46] hey superm1 [04:46] evening [04:47] troy_s was looking for you [04:48] yea...just got his email [04:48] been working on the truck and at a wedding reception today [04:48] did he show you the newest samples? [04:49] no [04:49] http://imagebin.org/10343 [04:49] i like that bottom right one :) [04:49] yea me too [04:50] I really like all but the pink one [04:50] the interface sample is cool [04:50] i really like where its going then [04:51] yea [04:51] I liked retro from the get go and this is exatly what I was thinking of === Rainman_ [n=Rainman@98.132.36.122] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:52] you will have to say that we are gonna have the coolest MythV Distro out there [04:52] well duh. [04:52] lol [04:53] greets boys. [04:53] how goes it? [04:53] hey troy_s [04:53] hey troy_s [04:53] superm1: How goes the building superm1? Good to see you foxbuntu. [04:53] foxbuntu just showed me the new mock's you've got. really loving the bottom right one [04:54] superm1: Well I was hesitating putting too much polish into them really. [04:54] there is just enough there to sell the font with the atomic era shapes. [04:54] troy_s, I do have to say I love the work [04:54] you run into a bit of a wall with the shapes against the chrome, so I had to cheat the style a tad and add some 3d elements to sell the two together. [04:54] ah [04:54] foxbuntu: Well that's terrific. Especially considering that it is far far far from polished. [04:55] we are going to run into a wall with the fonts though. [04:55] I am hoping that the font I have going in that interface mock works is going to be 'free' enough. [04:55] I think it is a Larabie font. [04:55] which is good. [04:55] I think your briding between the two works fantasticly [04:56] especially because it appears myth's configs will probably render those fonts on the fly. [04:56] yes [04:56] foxbuntu: Well this is a positive step then. Sometimes you run through countless mocks and they just don't 'ring' to the people who they are supposed to. [04:56] troy_s, is it currently packaged/shipping in Ubuntu or no? [04:56] superm1: Hell no. Ubuntu fonts are in a state of disrepair. [04:57] well shipping it within the theme will be a bit more of a challenge then, but still doable [04:57] superm1: They are 'free', but as soon as you start some of them in the form we are, the licenses get blurry. [04:57] superm1, We can work on packing that up [04:57] superm1: All it means is that once we get closer to being what we want, we start contacting the authors. [04:57] troy_s, you got it [04:57] superm1: Ideally, we convince them to GPLv3 them such that Debian can use them in main. [04:57] troy_s, I will do any leg work for that [04:57] foxbuntu: That is the _dream_. If not, then perhaps we go to a CC by SA such that Ubuntu can use them. [04:58] There really are some tremendous public domain fonts out there, but the licenses are flakey and as such, the more 'organized' distribution of them is prevented (Read Ubuntu and Mythbuntu in there if you want) [04:58] The main thing will be to start dissecting how MythTV does its themeing etc. [04:59] troy_s, I have a pretty good handle on the way it handles themes [04:59] because to really deliver that pastiche feel, we will need to play into the era's layout tendencies etc -- such as staggering the menu as I did in that completely hasty pre-vis. [04:59] agreed [04:59] foxbuntu: Good. You will be spending some time with me then lol. [04:59] So you guys feel that the work thus far is acceptable and heading in the proper direction? [05:00] (I must commend you for taking a rather ballsy stance on the design. I think that if I can avoid sucking too badly it might end up being very decent.) [05:00] troy_s, more than that...its dead on what I was thinking of from the get go [05:01] brb [05:01] By the way, superm1 and foxbuntu -- that is the rather 'truncated' version of the BelAiresque font. I crafted the letters a little to make it fit better. [05:02] I think it is relatively usable in that format. [05:03] troy_s, it looks great [05:04] troy_s, superm1 I gtg however...gotta run out for a bit prob back later [05:04] Ok chat soon. [05:04] ok [05:04] troy_s, thanks again for all your hard work [05:04] foxbuntu: No problem. I just wish I could do more with a little more time. [05:04] troy_s, this is the right direction i say. [05:04] foxbuntu: We hopefully can hit a bit of a home run. [05:05] Daviey, i resolved the mirroring issue. it was my own fault (of course), just a matter of forgetting to remove a few characters [05:05] superm1: Well it will truly stand out against all of that wet floor-itus web2.0 infosupahighway AppleShinyPlastic out there. [05:05] troy_s, your already mid air over center field bases loaded I say troy_s [05:05] foxbuntu: Unfortunately, the hard work is next. [05:05] foxbuntu: Before you go, have you seen the icons at mapquest? [05:05] troy_s, ? [05:06] oh the font you mean? [05:06] no, the actual icons. [05:06] laga, and your trunk builds mirrored properly too. If you can test them, let me know and i'll give you the apt key before we put it 'live' [05:06] oh the circles with the things inside? [05:06] foxbuntu: "Maps" "mobile" etc. [05:06] yes. [05:07] three of the four (the car one is obviously someone else not paying attention to the style) [05:07] are very 1950/60 [05:07] with a slightly contemporary twist. [05:07] troy_s, might be something to play with [05:07] foxbuntu: I don't know how much icon work we need to accomplish, but that sort of distorted 60s styling (as per the tv for mythbuntu) can obviously work if we need them. [05:08] troy_s, ok [05:08] troy_s, gtg...thanks again [05:08] later [05:08] foxbuntu: Ok go get your stuffs done. [05:08] well we will basically be having an xfce desktop, so icon work will be there - but that can come much later [05:08] as of the next build, a bunch of xfce stuff is being introduced [05:08] DaveMorris is adding that stuff in [05:08] superm1: Yes... for the now I think if we can provide a fully immersive MythTV experience with a default wallpaper for the xfce portion, we are winning. [05:09] exactly [05:09] superm1: Aside from the obvious website etc. design to make it a comprehensive presentation. [05:09] ah yes, that's always a fun part too right? :) [05:09] superm1: We still have a helluva long way to go, but at least we have a direction moving along now. [05:09] superm1: Yeah fun if you are fond of swallowing razor blades. [05:09] lol [05:10] i'm a bit worried with the color scheme in terms of applying to a usplash - everyone has always done a black background color, so does it scale/work well in other background colors? [05:10] superm1: Do we have a decent php/python/javascript/etc. individual around the house? [05:10] superm1: Did I show you what we did for Fluxbuntu? [05:10] troy_s, i saw a short movie when foxbuntu was visiting me a week or two ago [05:10] is that it? [05:11] With a stopwatch? [05:11] yea [05:11] If so, that is it. We did a complete avoidance of the progress bar. [05:11] with the white background [05:11] it looked really really sweet [05:11] The hand moves with the progress then fades out. [05:11] Yeah -- it turned out masterfully thanks to Tonic. [05:11] but i didn't realize that was possible with the current usplash [05:11] superm1: Not many people do. [05:11] i'm imagining he has a patch that adds that sort of functionality [05:12] superm1: It's the lazyness of the 'design' core to not bother to research the bits. [05:12] superm1: They just keep treading over the same crap over and over. Curves / Swirls / Redo the Progress bar. [05:12] haha [05:12] well i think imbrandon has php experience [05:12] imbrandon, you here? [05:13] although drupal themes are a different world all their own [05:13] superm1: Unfortunately usplash still has a widescreen /standard aspect ratio bug (as in it can't detect them) [05:13] since the site runs drupal [05:13] drupal is a bloody scary scary beast. [05:15] superm1: The usplash already has some tinkering in the head going on. [05:16] so will we see a lot more of those neat splashes for gutsy, or is this going to end up in hardy then? [05:16] superm1: What has sort of been the thinking is that we offer up the Mythbuntu TV via fadeup, bursts of short static etc to various images (maybe something akin to "I Love Lucy" etc. flash by, with a token appearance of Shuttlebutt in there lol.) [05:16] superm1: Don't expect anything. It is up to the artist / designers. [05:16] superm1: To the best of my knowledge, the Flux one is the only one that pushed the limit on it. [05:17] ah i see [05:17] so are you thinking removing the "mythbuntu" name all together from the splash, and just do the static and such? [05:18] who knows. [05:18] that comes down to what someone deems is trendy [05:18] in terms of branding [05:18] i personally on on the side of underbranding. [05:18] but ... it really just depends on how it all comes together. [05:18] right [05:18] i don't know if we need a huge 'HEY THIS IS MYTHBUNTU EVEN THOUGH YOU JUST SPENT AN HOUR DOWNLOADING AND BURNING IT." approach. [05:19] well its about branding when someone comes over and you turn on the box though [05:19] they're like what is this thing booting up on your tv right now [05:19] Well yes. Of course, we assume they will stick around a little. [05:19] Or at least hope so. [05:19] lol [05:20] But in the end, it isn't my decision. I can only offer an opinion, and that is probably horribly flawed anyways. [05:21] well mind you, you are the most art informed person in this room at most times :) [05:21] superm1: If you feel the desire to have the logo on there, we go. [05:21] superm1: Branding is a really nebulous thing -- much like all of art and design. [05:21] superm1: Most people have this ill conceived notion that colours and composition have been evolutionary and 'static' in terms of "What is right" and "What is wrong" [05:21] but your right if they stick around for a little bit, they see the theme on the tv which spits out the name right there anyhow [05:22] that probably stems from engineering folk like myself, that prefer the binary solution to any problem [05:22] superm1: The reality is that trends move the public aesthetic. For example, with strict regards to branding, have you looked at the car branding lately? They are up well past 10 cms now. [05:23] in some areas, i really really hate branding. like clothing that people pay for [05:23] superm1: Yes. My personal feeling is that I prefer it if someone goes 'wow -- what's that? I want it.' as opposed to having the name smashed around all over. [05:23] superm1: Yep. Again, that is a sign of the times. [05:23] its one thing to get a free shirt from intel and wear it, its another to go to your favorite overpriced store in the mall, and pay 2 arms, and your first born child to advertise for that store [05:23] superm1: My gut tells me that the consumer is slowly opening up to branding again (as it was quite big with say, Nike / Adidas etc in the 90s and became taboo in the early 90s during the grunge phase) [05:24] superm1: Yep. Its weird eh? [05:24] too bad no site of that changing in the near future either [05:25] superm1: Seriously though, compare auto logos -- in the 50s FORD and CHEVY were prominently featured on tailgates and trunks etc. In 99, the Honda logo was a diminutive 8 or so cms across. Today, the new Honda logo is about 12-14 cms. [05:25] superm1: It is so closely tied to social change and opinion that it is interesting to look at how the social 'consciousness' is reflected in the design trends. [05:26] i guess i haven't looked too closely at that myself, but i will pay more attention and see [05:26] superm1: Do. It is all around you. [05:27] superm1: It is rather mind numbing how many vendors have succumbed to the shiny reflective 'attract a crow' approach that Apple spawned back in the late 90s. The car advertising business started that god knows when. It is quite a sign of completely blind consumerism. [05:27] superm1: No shock that everywhere S. Jobs turns he uses that useless 'Mercedes' analogy. [05:28] well it really must be the consumers too - all these big companies do market research and find that people want the shiny stuff [05:28] so how thats ever going to change, i dont know [05:29] superm1: Actually, what you find happens again and again is that some clever artist does something avant-garde that has such an impact that mainstream replicates it to the point of kitsch. [05:29] superm1: And until someone such as that steps up and has that kind of serious impact on the scene, the mainstream just cycles on the same crap over and over. [05:29] superm1: Check out the newer Coke design on the side of their cans for example. It is quite interesting. [05:30] well so what are we waiting for. someone really needs to step up :) [05:30] superm1: Lol. Someone with talent and a real gift to grab on to the public consciousness. We are probably stuck here for a while. [05:30] lol [05:31] superm1: Free software still has yet to learn that art and design are actually communication. Just look at what the small band of Russian constructivists accomplished -- their typesetting is still imitated today. [05:31] superm1: But their motivation was entirely political -- and it was reflected in their designs. [05:32] well its a bit unfair to generalize and blame free software for not learning. Is it more so that there are not enough artists interested in doing design for free software? [05:33] superm1: Not really blaming, but Free Software is really ripe for an entire movement really. I think the root of the problem is that most people don't know about it, and those that do seem to have some very loud notions of 'right' and 'wrong'. === Rainey [n=Rainman@98.132.52.150] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:34] superm1: Even the GNOME HiG is a rather naive attempt. There simply isn't such thing as 'ideal' design. There is an audience and there is a goal. You can hit a portion, but not everyone. Designing for that mythical 'everyone' is folly. [05:34] superm1: As Aesop so wonderfully said so many years ago. [05:35] what is the gnome HiG? [05:35] superm1: "Human Interface Guidelines" [05:36] superm1: Which should raise alarm bells the moment you read the title. Lol. [05:36] haha [05:36] superm1: How is the build coming along? [05:36] superm1: Is the skripts and generated tech working out good? [05:37] well making lots of progress [05:37] most of the stuff found bug wise in alpha 4 [05:37] is resolved [05:37] superm1: That's good. How do you feel that Mythbuntu is going to be better than the alternatives out there? [05:37] superm1: What does mB offer that the others don't? [05:37] i think for sure it will be a much better experience [05:38] people feel comfortable with ubuntu, and this is an extension of it [05:38] well the big thing is regular support and predictable releases [05:38] so every 6 months people can upgrade should they want to [05:38] the other thing is with the control centre addon now, someone can convert a mythbuntu box -> ubuntu [05:38] and vice versa [05:38] and still use it for both purposes [05:39] superm1: And the control centre is entirely mB's? [05:39] oh yeah. [05:39] i wrote it a few weeks ago [05:39] superm1: Well that's cool as feck. [05:39] take a look http://mythbuntu.org/image [05:39] superm1: I know that there is a big desire for people to try MythTV, but their experiences in setup often cripple the attempt. [05:40] superm1: And quite frankly, MythTV is probably the best media attempt out there for Free Software. [05:40] the idea of it is supposed to be that someone doesn't need to mess with all the little configuration items related to mythtv by setting it up in this [05:40] other stuff like a remote, or samba, or nfs, or video drivers, users, paths to mount things [05:40] are all handled in it [05:40] superm1: Interesting. I suppose there is a lot of room to make it a flawless default. [05:40] they say i want this machine to be a backend, so i'll press the backend button and hit apply [05:41] superm1: Does the control centre have a user knowledge preset? Like "Beginner/Advanced/Expert" styled thing? [05:41] not right now, but i've considered adding one [05:41] the way its coded (hastily), its a bit more work than i'd prefer to admit [05:42] i basically sat down for 3 days straight and brute forced this thing out, and have been bug fixing and tweaking it since then [05:42] superm1: of course. === rsingh [n=rsingh@c-76-98-57-148.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:42] superm1: Profiles are such a useful design pattern though. Especially in the sprawl that is inevitable with our realm. lol. [05:43] i've got a lot of plans left for it, but probably won't implement them this cycle [05:43] superm1: That's great. [05:43] Is this where I can ask questions about mythtv? [05:43] but you can see how it for sure can make installing and setting up even a normal ubuntu box quite a pleasure [05:44] yea rsingh shoot away [05:44] superm1: Absolutely. Did it have a bad bout of bugs after the initial release? [05:44] I have a problem as my main computer has the tv card and cable connection, while its recording it uses up lots of cpu [05:44] well one big bug about changing auto login on and off, but that was all i saw for it [05:44] and i fixed that yeserrday [05:44] rsingh, do you have a hardware encoding card? [05:45] I have another computer downstairs not connected to a tv tuner, I was wondering if I set that one up as the master server, how much work would does my tv tuner computer use [05:45] or software [05:45] its software [05:45] okay so that would be why it uses so much cpu [05:45] well recording isnt that bad [05:45] the best solution really is to get a hardware encoding card [05:45] its when it starts doing commerical flagging and also transcoding [05:45] ah okay [05:46] i am trying to off load this to another computer [05:46] well those can be (and are by default) set as low priority processes [05:46] if you just want to offload those processes to another box though, you can do that too [05:46] i actually do that at home myself because my master backend is only a 600mhz p3 with 256mb ram [05:46] how would i go about doing that? [05:47] set up the second machine to be a backend, but a secondary backend [05:47] and then share the recordings directory via nfs to the two of them [05:47] ok [05:47] do the dirs have to be mounted in the same location? [05:48] yes [05:48] or at least symlinked to the appropriate same locations [05:48] ooh ok [05:49] is there any config that I have to setup to specify which computer should transcode and stuff like that? [05:50] yes, you'll run mythtv-setup on each of them [05:51] and say which roles you want to be performed by those boxes [05:51] cool [05:51] thanks the help [05:52] good luck:) [05:52] :-D [05:52] ok im gono go [05:52] thanks again === jefcanuk [n=jefcanuk@c-24-21-174-220.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === doctormo [n=doctormo@pool-68-163-194-33.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:55] hello [06:55]