[02:18] <MythbuntuGuest37> hey hey
[02:18] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[02:18] <MythbuntuGuest37> anyone still awake?
[02:18] <tgm4883_laptop> that would be kinda what the hi was for
[02:18] <tgm4883_laptop> and lots of people are still awake
[02:18] <MythbuntuGuest37> hehe
[02:19] <tgm4883_laptop> as it's only 17:19 here :)
[02:19] <MythbuntuGuest37> i'm having some issues with my videodrivers,..
[02:19] <MythbuntuGuest37> 02:19 here
[02:19] <tgm4883_laptop> it's probably best to tell your problem
[02:19] <MythbuntuGuest37> i have read there is a bug that you can't install something regarding the drivers during the initial installation
[02:20] <tgm4883_laptop> correct
[02:20] <tgm4883_laptop> minor bug
[02:20] <MythbuntuGuest37> i have encountered that problem,
[02:20] <tgm4883_laptop> and...
[02:20] <MythbuntuGuest37> how can i get my tv out to work then?
[02:21] <MythbuntuGuest37> if i don't install that part
[02:21] <tgm4883_laptop> you have to install restricted drivers after the installation
[02:21] <tgm4883_laptop> you can access the control centre and install from there
[02:21] <MythbuntuGuest37> i have done that as well, and after reboot i get the bluescreen saying i messed up my xorg
[02:22] <MythbuntuGuest37> cc wasn't "selectable" to install
[02:22] <MythbuntuGuest37> so now i have mythbuntu booting up with blue screen of death and i have no idea how to fix this
[02:23] <MythbuntuGuest37> apart from reinstall then
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> what video card?
[02:23] <MythbuntuGuest37> onboard ati radeon X1250
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest37> asus M2 VM HDMI motherboard
[02:25] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[02:25] <tgm4883_laptop> which drivers did you load?
[02:26] <MythbuntuGuest37> i can't access the system to check,.. but as i recall where you go into the configuration of the drivers,.. the top one
[02:27] <MythbuntuGuest37> you had restricted drivers, then something else, then ccontrol center and again something else
[02:27] <MythbuntuGuest37> do you see where i am getting at?
[02:28] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[02:28] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, any input?
[02:29] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[02:29] <superm1> okay so latest way this has happened - you did a basic install
[02:29] <superm1> but chose a driver during install
[02:29] <superm1> gdm wouldnt load consequently?
[02:29] <superm1> am i correct?
[02:29] <MythbuntuGuest37> gdm?
[02:29] <superm1> or did you install driver via restricted-manager then after install?
[02:30] <MythbuntuGuest37> i installed, everything works, apart from vnc, tvout
[02:30] <superm1> you didn't get presented with a mythtv setup after install
[02:30] <MythbuntuGuest37> yes
[02:30] <superm1> you got the blue gdm screen
[02:30] <superm1> about how it wouldnt load
[02:30] <superm1> well vnc only works when xorg is running
[02:30] <MythbuntuGuest37> yes, but not right after install,.. after installing the restricted drivers
[02:31] <superm1> can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log then?
[02:31] <MythbuntuGuest37> sec
[02:31] <superm1> !pastebin | MythbuntuGuest37
[02:31] <ubotu> MythbuntuGuest37: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:34] <MythbuntuGuest37> how do i copy the whole text?
[02:34] <superm1> well at this point, the best way is to probably ssh to this box from another one with a full out gui
[02:35] <MythbuntuGuest37> i ssh'd in trough a terminal
[02:35] <MythbuntuGuest37> i just don't know how to copy all of the txt
[02:38] <MythbuntuGuest37> could you tell me how?
[02:39] <MythbuntuGuest37> could this have anything to do with it?
[02:39] <MythbuntuGuest37> Fatal server error: no screens found
[02:40] <MythbuntuGuest37> this is at the very end of the log : http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/36963/
[02:42] <MythbuntuGuest37> superm1 are you still there?
[02:42] <superm1> well you can highlight it all and then paste it
[02:42] <superm1> if your on a linux machine, just middle click to paste
[02:43] <superm1> in windows with putty i dont know off hand
[02:43] <MythbuntuGuest37> i'm on ubuntu but the window won't scroll
[02:43] <tgm4883_laptop> MG37, are you using nano?
[02:44] <MythbuntuGuest37> vi
[02:44] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, i think the question is how to select all the text
[02:44] <superm1> oh just cat instead
[02:44] <superm1> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:44] <superm1> or if you ssh in with a -X, you can use a graphical editor like nano
[02:44] <superm1> *gedit
[02:44] <superm1> geany
[02:44] <superm1> etc
[02:47] <MythbuntuGuest37> installing gedit now
[02:48] <propson> hello all
[02:49] <propson> is it true that there will soon be weekly builds of mythtv-trunk?
[02:49] <superm1> this is true
[02:49] <superm1> just need the mirrors set up, the PPA is able to build them now
[02:50] <propson> excellent, so we are talking about the next few days?
[02:50] <superm1> hopefully :)
[02:50] <superm1> i'm going to try to fix the problem with the weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org mirror tomorrow afternoon
[02:50] <superm1> so provided that works right we can do a formal announcement for them
[02:50] <propson> nice one. will check it out
[02:51] <MythbuntuGuest37> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/36965/
[02:51] <MythbuntuGuest37> i have found it
[02:53] <superm1> you have two displays attached
[02:53] <superm1> it would appear
[02:54] <MythbuntuGuest37> tv and screen yes
[02:55] <MythbuntuGuest37> tv and monitor
[02:55] <superm1> perhaps can you unplug one of them
[02:55] <superm1> and try again?
[02:55] <MythbuntuGuest37> sec
[02:55] <superm1> either that or force override one of them to be disabled in the config
[02:57] <MythbuntuGuest37> the screen is back
[02:57] <MythbuntuGuest37> xorg is fine
[02:57] <MythbuntuGuest37> but now the tv out part,..
[02:57] <MythbuntuGuest37> how do i get that to work?
[02:58] <superm1> well hdmi is really just dvi, i want to say you're able to plug in the tv instead, and remove the monitor
[02:58] <superm1> restart x and magic *should* work
[02:59] <MythbuntuGuest37> i'll give it a try now
[03:03] <MythbuntuGuest37> yep,.. i see the bootscreen
[03:03] <MythbuntuGuest37> great!!
[03:03] <superm1> well if this is all it was, that was wayyy too easy of a solution :)
[03:04] <tgm4883_laptop> go magic !!!
[03:04] <MythbuntuGuest37> all of the troubles aren't gone you know :d
[03:04] <MythbuntuGuest37> how can i set up my DBV card? :s
[03:04] <superm1> from the control centre, just choose mythtv-setup
[03:04] <superm1> and follow through that
[03:04] <MythbuntuGuest37> it is recognised, but i have no clue on how to search for channels e.d.
[03:05] <superm1> well once you attach the video source to an input connection, you just open up the channel scanner there
[03:08] <MythbuntuGuest37> where do i find the scanner?
[03:09] <MythbuntuGuest37> when i choose "watch tv" i get the error that all available inputs are being used
[03:09] <superm1> its all in that mythtv-setup area
[03:09] <superm1> from the control centre
[03:13] <superm1> DaveMorris, did you sort out what was happening in your builds?
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest37> in the screen where you can scan i get "opening of the card failed
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest37> it's a technotrend card
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest37> maybe i have the settings wrong?
[03:16] <MythbuntuGuest37> it is recognised in the tvcard settings
[03:16] <MythbuntuGuest37> but in the channelscanner i have "can't open device"
[03:17] <superm1> did you make sure to choose the correct card type?
[03:18] <MythbuntuGuest37> only one is recognised
[03:19] <MythbuntuGuest37> there's only one option for DVB cards
[03:20] <superm1> and did you add the correct video source for the card then when you bound it to the input connection?
[03:21] <MythbuntuGuest37> i have got a little progress now
[03:21] <MythbuntuGuest37> i get error parsing parameters
[03:21] <MythbuntuGuest37> it's a dvb sattelite card
[03:24] <MythbuntuGuest37> i'll play around with it a little more later tomorrow,..
[03:25] <MythbuntuGuest37> just one final thing,..
[03:25] <superm1> ya
[03:25] <MythbuntuGuest37> how can i  get files (movies and music) onto the mythbuntu
[03:25] <superm1> samba is setup by default
[03:25] <superm1> and so is nfs
[03:25] <superm1> so you can copy them over via either of those methods
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> or stream via either of those methods
[03:26] <MythbuntuGuest37> ok i see it,..
[03:26] <MythbuntuGuest37> thanks!!
[03:29] <MythbuntuGuest37> it's 3:30 am,.. i'm off to bed!
[03:29] <superm1> nn MythbuntuGuest37
[03:29] <superm1> have fun
[03:38] <superm1> Daviey, i'm gonna commit an update to the mirroring script tonight that should include trunk in the mirroring process
[03:38] <superm1> assuming that laga gives the +2 on the builds going live in a day or two
[03:56] <superm1> Daviey, okay consider it committed.  laga i found a minor typo in the changes you pushed up this morning, but otherwise things look sane
[04:38] <superm1> well Daviey i just ran the mirroring script on axel's box, but still get something odd:
[04:38] <superm1> W: Conflicting distribution: http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org gutsy Release (expected gutsy but got )
[04:38] <superm1> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[04:46] <foxbuntu> hey superm1
[04:46] <superm1> evening
[04:47] <superm1> troy_s was looking for you
[04:48] <foxbuntu> yea...just got his email
[04:48] <foxbuntu> been working on the truck and at a wedding reception today
[04:48] <foxbuntu> did he show you the newest samples?
[04:49] <superm1> no
[04:49] <foxbuntu> http://imagebin.org/10343
[04:49] <superm1> i like that bottom right one :)
[04:49] <foxbuntu> yea me too
[04:50] <foxbuntu> I really like all but the pink one
[04:50] <foxbuntu> the interface sample is cool
[04:50] <superm1> i really like where its going then
[04:51] <foxbuntu> yea
[04:51] <foxbuntu> I liked retro from the get go and this is exatly what I was thinking of
[04:52] <foxbuntu> you will have to say that we are gonna have the coolest MythV Distro out there
[04:52] <superm1> well duh.
[04:52] <foxbuntu> lol
[04:53] <troy_s> greets boys.
[04:53] <troy_s> how goes it?
[04:53] <superm1> hey troy_s
[04:53] <foxbuntu> hey troy_s
[04:53] <troy_s> superm1: How goes the building superm1?  Good to see you foxbuntu.
[04:53] <superm1> foxbuntu just showed me the new mock's you've got.  really loving the bottom right one
[04:54] <troy_s> superm1: Well I was hesitating putting too much polish into them really.
[04:54] <troy_s> there is just enough there to sell the font with the atomic era shapes.
[04:54] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I do have to say I love the work
[04:54] <troy_s> you run into a bit of a wall with the shapes against the chrome, so I had to cheat the style a tad and add some 3d elements to sell the two together.
[04:54] <superm1> ah
[04:54] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Well that's terrific.  Especially considering that it is far far far from polished.
[04:55] <troy_s> we are going to run into a wall with the fonts though.
[04:55] <troy_s> I am hoping that the font I have going in that interface mock works is going to be 'free' enough.
[04:55] <troy_s> I think it is a Larabie font.
[04:55] <troy_s> which is good.
[04:55] <foxbuntu> I think your briding between the two works fantasticly
[04:56] <troy_s> especially because it appears myth's configs will probably render those fonts on the fly.
[04:56] <foxbuntu> yes
[04:56] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Well this is a positive step then.  Sometimes you run through countless mocks and they just don't 'ring' to the people who they are supposed to.
[04:56] <superm1> troy_s, is it currently packaged/shipping in Ubuntu or no?
[04:56] <troy_s> superm1: Hell no.  Ubuntu fonts are in a state of disrepair.
[04:57] <superm1> well shipping it within the theme will be a bit more of a challenge then, but still doable
[04:57] <troy_s> superm1: They are 'free', but as soon as you start some of them in the form we are, the licenses get blurry.
[04:57] <foxbuntu> superm1, We can work on packing that up
[04:57] <troy_s> superm1: All it means is that once we get closer to being what we want, we start contacting the authors.
[04:57] <foxbuntu> troy_s, you got it
[04:57] <troy_s> superm1: Ideally, we convince them to GPLv3 them such that Debian can use them in main.
[04:57] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I will do any leg work for that
[04:57] <troy_s> foxbuntu: That is the _dream_.  If not, then perhaps we go to a CC by SA such that Ubuntu can use them.
[04:58] <troy_s> There really are some tremendous public domain fonts out there, but the licenses are flakey and as such, the more 'organized' distribution of them is prevented (Read Ubuntu and Mythbuntu in there if you want)
[04:58] <troy_s> The main thing will be to start dissecting how MythTV does its themeing etc.
[04:59] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I have a pretty good handle on the way it handles themes
[04:59] <troy_s> because to really deliver that pastiche feel, we will need to play into the era's layout tendencies etc -- such as staggering the menu as I did in that completely hasty pre-vis.
[04:59] <foxbuntu> agreed
[04:59] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Good.  You will be spending some time with me then lol.
[04:59] <troy_s> So you guys feel that the work thus far is acceptable and heading in the proper direction?
[05:00] <troy_s> (I must commend you for taking a rather ballsy stance on the design.  I think that if I can avoid sucking too badly it might end up being very decent.)
[05:00] <foxbuntu> troy_s, more than that...its dead on what I was thinking of from the get go
[05:01] <foxbuntu> brb
[05:01] <troy_s> By the way, superm1 and foxbuntu -- that is the rather 'truncated' version of the BelAiresque font.  I crafted the letters a little to make it fit better.
[05:02] <troy_s> I think it is relatively usable in that format.
[05:03] <foxbuntu> troy_s, it looks great
[05:04] <foxbuntu> troy_s, superm1 I gtg however...gotta run out for a bit prob back later
[05:04] <troy_s> Ok chat soon.
[05:04] <superm1> ok
[05:04] <foxbuntu> troy_s, thanks again for all your hard work
[05:04] <troy_s> foxbuntu: No problem.  I just wish I could do more with a little more time.
[05:04] <superm1> troy_s, this is the right direction i say.
[05:04] <troy_s> foxbuntu: We hopefully can hit a bit of a home run.
[05:05] <superm1> Daviey, i resolved the mirroring issue.  it was my own fault (of course), just a matter of forgetting to remove a few <tab> characters
[05:05] <troy_s> superm1: Well it will truly stand out against all of that wet floor-itus web2.0 infosupahighway AppleShinyPlastic out there.
[05:05] <foxbuntu> troy_s, your already mid air over center field bases loaded I say troy_s
[05:05] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Unfortunately, the hard work is next.
[05:05] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Before you go, have you seen the icons at mapquest?
[05:05] <foxbuntu> troy_s, ?
[05:06] <foxbuntu> oh the font you mean?
[05:06] <troy_s> no, the actual icons.
[05:06] <superm1> laga, and your trunk builds mirrored properly too.  If you can test them, let me know and i'll give you the apt key before we put it 'live'
[05:06] <foxbuntu> oh the circles with the things inside?
[05:06] <troy_s> foxbuntu: "Maps" "mobile" etc.
[05:06] <troy_s> yes.
[05:07] <troy_s> three of the four (the car one is obviously someone else not paying attention to the style)
[05:07] <troy_s> are very 1950/60
[05:07] <troy_s> with a slightly contemporary twist.
[05:07] <foxbuntu> troy_s, might be something to play with
[05:07] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I don't know how much icon work we need to accomplish, but that sort of distorted 60s styling (as per the tv for mythbuntu) can obviously work if we need them.
[05:08] <foxbuntu> troy_s, ok
[05:08] <foxbuntu> troy_s, gtg...thanks again
[05:08] <foxbuntu> later
[05:08] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Ok go get your stuffs done.
[05:08] <superm1> well we will basically be having an xfce desktop, so icon work will be there - but that can come much later
[05:08] <superm1> as of the next build, a bunch of xfce stuff is being introduced
[05:08] <superm1> DaveMorris is adding that stuff in
[05:08] <troy_s> superm1: Yes... for the now I think if we can provide a fully immersive MythTV experience with a default wallpaper for the xfce portion, we are winning.
[05:09] <superm1> exactly
[05:09] <troy_s> superm1: Aside from the obvious website etc. design to make it a comprehensive presentation.
[05:09] <superm1> ah yes, that's always a fun part too right? :)
[05:09] <troy_s> superm1: We still have a helluva long way to go, but at least we have a direction moving along now.
[05:09] <troy_s> superm1: Yeah fun if you are fond of swallowing razor blades.
[05:09] <troy_s> lol
[05:10] <superm1> i'm a bit worried with the color scheme in terms of applying to a usplash - everyone has always done a black background color, so does it scale/work well in other background colors?
[05:10] <troy_s> superm1: Do we have a decent php/python/javascript/etc. individual around the house?
[05:10] <troy_s> superm1: Did I show you what we did for Fluxbuntu?
[05:10] <superm1> troy_s, i saw a short movie when foxbuntu was visiting me a week or two ago
[05:10] <superm1> is that it?
[05:11] <troy_s> With a stopwatch?
[05:11] <superm1> yea
[05:11] <troy_s> If so, that is it.  We did a complete avoidance of the progress bar.
[05:11] <superm1> with the white background
[05:11] <superm1> it looked really really sweet
[05:11] <troy_s> The hand moves with the progress then fades out.
[05:11] <troy_s> Yeah -- it turned out masterfully thanks to Tonic.
[05:11] <superm1> but i didn't realize that was possible with the current usplash
[05:11] <troy_s> superm1: Not many people do.
[05:11] <superm1> i'm imagining he has a patch that adds that sort of functionality
[05:12] <troy_s> superm1: It's the lazyness of the 'design' core to not bother to research the bits.
[05:12] <troy_s> superm1: They just keep treading over the same crap over and over.  Curves / Swirls / Redo the Progress bar.
[05:12] <superm1> haha
[05:12] <superm1> well i think imbrandon has php experience
[05:12] <superm1> imbrandon, you here?
[05:13] <superm1> although drupal themes are a different world all their own
[05:13] <troy_s> superm1: Unfortunately usplash still has a widescreen /standard aspect ratio bug (as in it can't detect them)
[05:13] <superm1> since the site runs drupal
[05:13] <troy_s> drupal is a bloody scary scary beast.
[05:15] <troy_s> superm1: The usplash already has some tinkering in the head going on.
[05:16] <superm1> so will we see a lot more of those neat splashes for gutsy, or is this going to end up in hardy then?
[05:16] <troy_s> superm1: What has sort of been the thinking is that we offer up the Mythbuntu TV via fadeup, bursts of short static etc to various images (maybe something akin to "I Love Lucy" etc. flash by, with a token appearance of Shuttlebutt in there lol.)
[05:16] <troy_s> superm1: Don't expect anything.  It is up to the artist / designers.
[05:16] <troy_s> superm1: To the best of my knowledge, the Flux one is the only one that pushed the limit on it.
[05:17] <superm1> ah i see
[05:17] <superm1> so are you thinking removing the "mythbuntu" name all together from the splash, and just do the static and such?
[05:18] <troy_s> who knows.
[05:18] <troy_s> that comes down to what someone deems is trendy
[05:18] <troy_s> in terms of branding
[05:18] <troy_s> i personally on on the side of underbranding.
[05:18] <troy_s> but ... it really just depends on how it all comes together.
[05:18] <superm1> right
[05:18] <troy_s> i don't know if we need a huge 'HEY THIS IS MYTHBUNTU EVEN THOUGH YOU JUST SPENT AN HOUR DOWNLOADING AND BURNING IT." approach.
[05:19] <superm1> well its about branding when someone comes over and you turn on the box though
[05:19] <superm1> they're like what is this thing booting up on your tv right now
[05:19] <troy_s> Well yes.  Of course, we assume they will stick around a little.
[05:19] <troy_s> Or at least hope so.
[05:19] <troy_s> lol
[05:20] <troy_s> But in the end, it isn't my decision.  I can only offer an opinion, and that is probably horribly flawed anyways.
[05:21] <superm1> well mind you, you are the most art informed person in this room at most times :)
[05:21] <troy_s> superm1: If you feel the desire to have the logo on there, we go.
[05:21] <troy_s> superm1: Branding is a really nebulous thing -- much like all of art and design.
[05:21] <troy_s> superm1: Most people have this ill conceived notion that colours and composition have been evolutionary and 'static' in terms of "What is right" and "What is wrong"
[05:21] <superm1> but your right if they stick around for a little bit, they see the theme on the tv which spits out the name right there anyhow
[05:22] <superm1> that probably stems from engineering folk like myself, that prefer the binary solution to any problem
[05:22] <troy_s> superm1:  The reality is that trends move the public aesthetic.  For example, with strict regards to branding, have you looked at the car branding lately?  They are up well past 10 cms now.
[05:23] <superm1> in some areas, i really really hate branding.  like clothing that people pay for
[05:23] <troy_s> superm1: Yes.  My personal feeling is that I prefer it if someone goes 'wow -- what's that?  I want it.' as opposed to having the name smashed around all over.
[05:23] <troy_s> superm1: Yep.  Again, that is a sign of the times.
[05:23] <superm1> its one thing to get a free shirt from intel and wear it, its another to go to your favorite overpriced store in the mall, and pay 2 arms, and your first born child to advertise for that store
[05:23] <troy_s> superm1: My gut tells me that the consumer is slowly opening up to branding again (as it was quite big with say, Nike / Adidas etc in the 90s and became taboo in the early 90s during the grunge phase)
[05:24] <troy_s> superm1: Yep.  Its weird eh?
[05:24] <superm1> too bad no site of that changing in the near future either
[05:25] <troy_s> superm1: Seriously though, compare auto logos -- in the 50s FORD and CHEVY were prominently featured on tailgates and trunks etc.  In 99, the Honda logo was a diminutive 8 or so cms across.  Today, the new Honda logo is about 12-14 cms.
[05:25] <troy_s> superm1: It is so closely tied to social change and opinion that it is interesting to look at how the social 'consciousness' is reflected in the design trends.
[05:26] <superm1> i guess i haven't looked too closely at that myself, but i will pay more attention and see
[05:26] <troy_s> superm1: Do.  It is all around you.
[05:27] <troy_s> superm1: It is rather mind numbing how many vendors have succumbed to the shiny reflective 'attract a crow' approach that Apple spawned back in the late 90s.  The car advertising business started that god knows when.  It is quite a sign of completely blind consumerism.
[05:27] <troy_s> superm1: No shock that everywhere S. Jobs turns he uses that useless 'Mercedes' analogy.
[05:28] <superm1> well it really must be the consumers too - all these big companies do market research and find that people want the shiny stuff
[05:28] <superm1> so how thats ever going to change, i dont know
[05:29] <troy_s> superm1: Actually, what you find happens again and again is that some clever artist does something avant-garde that has such an impact that mainstream replicates it to the point of kitsch.
[05:29] <troy_s> superm1: And until someone such as that steps up and has that kind of serious impact on the scene, the mainstream just cycles on the same crap over and over.
[05:29] <troy_s> superm1: Check out the newer Coke design on the side of their cans for example.  It is quite interesting.
[05:30] <superm1> well so what are we waiting for.  someone really needs to step up :)
[05:30] <troy_s> superm1: Lol.  Someone with talent and a real gift to grab on to the public consciousness.  We are probably stuck here for a while.
[05:30] <troy_s> lol
[05:31] <troy_s> superm1: Free software still has yet to learn that art and design are actually communication.  Just look at what the small band of Russian constructivists accomplished -- their typesetting is still imitated today.
[05:31] <troy_s> superm1: But their motivation was entirely political -- and it was reflected in their designs.
[05:32] <superm1> well its a bit unfair to generalize and blame free software for not learning.  Is it more so that there are not enough artists interested in doing design for free software?
[05:33] <troy_s> superm1: Not really blaming, but Free Software is really ripe for an entire movement really.  I think the root of the problem is that most people don't know about it, and those that do seem to have some very loud notions of 'right' and 'wrong'.
[05:34] <troy_s> superm1: Even the GNOME HiG is a rather naive attempt.  There simply isn't such thing as 'ideal' design.  There is an audience and there is a goal.  You can hit a portion, but not everyone.  Designing for that mythical 'everyone' is folly.
[05:34] <troy_s> superm1: As Aesop so wonderfully said so many years ago.
[05:35] <superm1> what is the gnome HiG?
[05:35] <troy_s> superm1: "Human Interface Guidelines"
[05:36] <troy_s> superm1: Which should raise alarm bells the moment you read the title.  Lol.
[05:36] <superm1> haha
[05:36] <troy_s> superm1: How is the build coming along?
[05:36] <troy_s> superm1: Is the skripts and generated tech working out good?
[05:37] <superm1> well making lots of progress
[05:37] <superm1> most of the stuff found bug wise in alpha 4
[05:37] <superm1> is resolved
[05:37] <troy_s> superm1: That's good.  How do you feel that Mythbuntu is going to be better than the alternatives out there?
[05:37] <troy_s> superm1: What does mB offer that the others don't?
[05:37] <superm1> i think for sure it will be a much better experience
[05:38] <superm1> people feel comfortable with ubuntu, and this is an extension of it
[05:38] <superm1> well the big thing is regular support and predictable releases
[05:38] <superm1> so every 6 months people can upgrade should they want to
[05:38] <superm1> the other thing is with the control centre addon now, someone can convert a mythbuntu box -> ubuntu
[05:38] <superm1> and vice versa
[05:38] <superm1> and still use it for both purposes
[05:39] <troy_s> superm1: And the control centre is entirely mB's?
[05:39] <superm1> oh yeah.
[05:39] <superm1> i wrote it a few weeks ago
[05:39] <troy_s> superm1: Well that's cool as feck.
[05:39] <superm1> take a look http://mythbuntu.org/image
[05:39] <troy_s> superm1: I know that there is a big desire for people to try MythTV, but their experiences in setup often cripple the attempt.
[05:40] <troy_s> superm1: And quite frankly, MythTV is probably the best media attempt out there for Free Software.
[05:40] <superm1> the idea of it is supposed to be that someone doesn't need to mess with all the little configuration items related to mythtv by setting it up in this
[05:40] <superm1> other stuff like a remote, or samba, or nfs, or video drivers, users, paths to mount things
[05:40] <superm1> are all handled in it
[05:40] <troy_s> superm1: Interesting.  I suppose there is a lot of room to make it a flawless default.
[05:40] <superm1> they say i want this machine to be a backend, so i'll press the backend button and hit apply
[05:41] <troy_s> superm1: Does the control centre have a user knowledge preset?  Like "Beginner/Advanced/Expert" styled thing?
[05:41] <superm1> not right now, but i've considered adding one
[05:41] <superm1> the way its coded (hastily), its a bit more work than i'd prefer to admit
[05:42] <superm1> i basically sat down for 3 days straight and brute forced this thing out, and have been bug fixing and tweaking it since then
[05:42] <troy_s> superm1: of course.
[05:42] <troy_s> superm1: Profiles are such a useful design pattern though.  Especially in the sprawl that is inevitable with our realm.  lol.
[05:43] <superm1> i've got a lot of plans left for it, but probably won't implement them this cycle
[05:43] <troy_s> superm1: That's great.
[05:43] <rsingh> Is this where I can ask questions about mythtv?
[05:43] <superm1> but you can see how it for sure can make installing and setting up even a normal ubuntu box quite a pleasure
[05:44] <superm1> yea rsingh shoot away
[05:44] <troy_s> superm1: Absolutely.  Did it have a bad bout of bugs after the initial release?
[05:44] <rsingh> I have a problem as my main computer has the tv card and cable connection, while its recording it uses up lots of cpu
[05:44] <superm1> well one big bug about changing auto login on and off, but that was all i saw for it
[05:44] <superm1> and i fixed that yeserrday
[05:44] <superm1> rsingh, do you have a hardware encoding card?
[05:45] <rsingh> I have another computer downstairs not connected to a tv tuner, I was wondering if I set that one up as the master server, how much work would does my tv tuner computer use
[05:45] <superm1> or software
[05:45] <rsingh> its software
[05:45] <superm1> okay so that would be why it uses so much cpu
[05:45] <rsingh> well recording isnt that bad
[05:45] <superm1> the best solution really is to get a hardware encoding card
[05:45] <rsingh> its when it starts doing commerical flagging and also transcoding
[05:45] <superm1> ah okay
[05:46] <rsingh> i am trying to off load this to another computer
[05:46] <superm1> well those can be (and are by default) set as low priority processes
[05:46] <superm1> if you just want to offload those processes to another box though, you can do that too
[05:46] <superm1> i actually do that at home myself because my master backend is only a 600mhz p3 with 256mb ram
[05:46] <rsingh> how would i go about doing that?
[05:47] <superm1> set up the second machine to be a backend, but a secondary backend
[05:47] <superm1> and then share the recordings directory via nfs to the two of them
[05:47] <rsingh> ok
[05:47] <rsingh> do the dirs have to be mounted in the same location?
[05:48] <superm1> yes
[05:48] <superm1> or at least symlinked to the appropriate same locations
[05:48] <rsingh> ooh ok
[05:49] <rsingh> is there any config that I have to setup to specify which computer should transcode and stuff like that?
[05:50] <superm1> yes, you'll run mythtv-setup on each of them
[05:51] <superm1> and say which roles you want to be performed by those boxes
[05:51] <rsingh> cool
[05:51] <rsingh> thanks the help
[05:52] <superm1> good luck:)
[05:52] <rsingh> :-D
[05:52] <rsingh> ok im gono go
[05:52] <rsingh> thanks again
[06:55] <doctormo> hello
[06:55] <superm1> Hi
[06:56] <superm1> complaining in #mythtv doesn't get problems solved, and neither will complaining here, but if you want to discuss what's been happening, can try to help you out at least
[06:56] <doctormo> The package for mythtv is not very well set up; instead of setting up a meta package for a local install including setting up all the required localhost settings it seems to be left as a rather painfull exercise for the user to install all the required packages and attempt to get them to talk to each other.
[06:57] <doctormo> why this should be the case seems beond me
[06:57] <superm1> well there are a few packages out there that are metas already
[06:57] <superm1> the 'mythtv' meta will set things up for a local setup
[06:57] <superm1> and install required packages
[06:57] <superm1> assuming your on feisty or gutsy
[06:58] <doctormo> superm1: feisty, when I installed the mythtv meta package it didn't install the mythtv backend or anything else including the mysql database
[06:58] <superm1> doctormo, minor flood:
[06:58] <superm1> supermario@portablemario:~/Software/source/ubuntu-installer$ apt-cache depends mythtv
[06:58] <superm1> mythtv
[06:58] <superm1>   Depends: mythtv-database
[06:58] <superm1>   Depends: mythtv-frontend
[06:58] <superm1>   Depends: mythtv-backend
[06:58] <superm1>   Depends: mysql-server
[06:59] <superm1>     mysql-server-5.0
[06:59] <superm1>  |Depends: ntp
[06:59] <superm1>   Depends: <ntp-simple>
[06:59] <superm1>   Recommends: mythtv-doc
[06:59] <superm1>   Recommends: mythtv-themes
[07:01] <doctormo> *shrug* don't know what to tell you, go to Add/Remove do a search for mythtv and install the only package listen
[07:01] <doctormo> listed
[07:01] <superm1> ah i see
[07:01] <superm1> the only thing listed in that is "MythTV Frontend"
[07:02] <superm1> you have to install the package entitled 'mythtv'
[07:02] <superm1> as in use synaptic to do it, or use sudo apt-get install mythtv
[07:03] <doctormo> superm1: ah so you see where you need to fix things right?
[07:03] <superm1> i see exactly what you mean as being the issue here
[07:04] <superm1> i'll have to discuss with some folks how things get listed in  Add/Remove programs
[07:04] <superm1> because the package doesn't actually include any code to do that, its handled somewhere else
[07:04] <doctormo> I see
[07:04] <doctormo> I'm going to uninstall everyinthing and try again
[07:05] <superm1> good luck :)
[07:05] <doctormo> do you have a tv card and if so what kind?
[07:05] <superm1> yea i've got multiple cards
[07:05] <superm1> pvr-350, pvr500-mce, pvr250-mce, hdhomerun, air2pc hd5000
[07:06] <doctormo> I see, this thing seems to be a saa7133 or perhaps it's a saa7135 who knows; point the kernel loads it, what is a good way to test that the kernel is loading the right thing?
[07:07] <tgm4883_laptop> if any UK people are around, whats the deal with this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ubuntu-Linux-Training-Video-Tutorials/dp/B000Q58YR0/ref=sr_1_1/203-5997488-4283100?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1189309525&sr=1-1
[07:07] <superm1> well you can check out 'dmesg'
[07:07] <superm1> it will show off anything that is logged as the driver is loaded
[07:08] <superm1> the common thing with those cards is if it cant detect what card type it is
[07:08] <superm1> you sometimes have to provide a parameter to the driver to tell it what kind of card it really is
[07:08] <doctormo> tgm4883_laptop: lol, only works on mac and windows ;-)
[07:08] <tgm4883_laptop> i know, i saw it and I was like wtf
[07:08] <doctormo> superm1: do you know of a good page that defines all the cards and params?
[07:09] <superm1> doctormo, well when the driver is loaded, it will tell you if it needs to be defining the card number
[07:09] <superm1> and what parameter matches to what
[07:09] <superm1> its all in dmesg
[07:11] <doctormo> superm1: the dmesg only says: resgistered device video0,  vbi0
[07:11] <superm1> then that would likely mean it didn't have any issues loading
[07:11] <superm1> if it registered a video device
[07:11] <doctormo> superm1: ah it looks autodetected, card=75 etc
[07:12] <doctormo> mythtv is now reinstalled I just need to tie the nots
[07:13] <doctormo> superm1: since at the moment it says there are no video cards available etc
[07:22] <superm1> well if /dev/video0 is available, then there shouldn't be anything keeping it from working there
[07:24] <doctormo> superm1: indeed, perhaps I need to run something or set something up? /dev/video0 wasn't available when I installed mythtv meta package perhaps that is why?
[07:24] <superm1> well it queries for devices in /dev when you run mythtv-setup
[07:24] <superm1> so as long as it was there when you started mythtv-setup, then that's all that matters
[07:26] <doctormo> superm1: I have not run mythtv-setup on this iteration, I figured the metapackage would take care of that
[07:27] <superm1> well that's some high expectation, packaging can only go so far :)
[07:27] <superm1> doctormo, okay well i found how that Add/Remove programs option is built.  As of gutsy it should be resolved to install the 'mythtv' package rather than just the frontend
[07:27] <doctormo> superm1: great news, huzzah
[07:32] <doctormo> hmm the mythtv-setup does some weird stuff; this time it detected the video0 card, but couldn't find any channels; then complained it couldn't connect to the backend it just shutdown followed by running some filldatabase thing which seemed to complain about no channels being available
[07:32] <doctormo> typical stuff?
[07:34] <superm1> your a US user by looking at your /whois, so i'm guess schedules direct?
[07:34] <superm1> you don't do channel scans typically with SD
[07:34] <superm1> but just end up using the list of channels fetched from them
[07:35] <superm1> its not a big deal that it doesn't connect to the backend.  its restarted right after mythfilldatabase is ran
[07:35] <superm1> and then it refreshes the data
[07:35] <doctormo> well running the frontend and selecting Watch TV told be that it had used all the inputs already (somehow)
[07:35] <doctormo> and selecting tv guide cause the front end to crash
[07:36] <superm1> do you have your channels in there yet?
[07:36] <superm1> for SD?
[07:37] <superm1> because you won't be able to carry on until you have that data in there and properly assigned to inputs and such
[07:39] <doctormo> superm1: I'm really at a loss for how you set that up
[07:40] <superm1> doctormo, let me see if i can link you to a guide that explains how to work through mythtv-setup
[07:40] <superm1> its probably easier to follow pictures than my typing
[07:41] <doctormo> sshould I run mythtv-setup as root?
[07:42] <superm1> No
[07:42] <superm1> no need to
[07:42] <superm1> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtv-setup
[07:42] <superm1> all of the mythtv processes are run as your login name or as the user 'mythtv'
[07:47] <superm1> Daviey, get up already.  You need to update the bzr branch on uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org and mirror all the stuff so we can announce weeklybuilds
[07:48] <superm1> Daviey, if you dont get up before i go to bed you realize your accepting having to write the little blurb explaining how they work and stuff for the front page....
[07:53] <doctormo> superm1: hmm it doesn't seem to want to work; it only gives me the name of my card when I run mythtv-setup as root and it says "Failed to Open" and "Could not open 'dev'video0# to
[07:55] <superm1> what are the permissions showing up as for /dev/video0?
[07:55] <superm1> you shouldnt need root permissions to read the card, and if you do, there is no way mythbackend will be able to read it
[08:03] <elmargol> can I use mythtv over a FF card? Or do I need a GPU?
[08:03] <superm1> FF card?
[08:03] <elmargol> Full featured
[08:04] <superm1> never heard of such card.
[08:04] <superm1> in theory your able to use any card that provides a framebuffer
[08:04] <elmargol> It has tv out. You can watch mpeg2 without much cpu usage
[08:04] <superm1> if you compile with directfb support
[08:08] <superm1> the only card i know of that you for sure can use like that is the pvr-350
[08:08] <superm1> with the ivtv-fb driver
[08:18] <doctormo> superm1: there was firmware to load
[08:18] <superm1> ah
[08:18] <superm1> that's surprising, never seen an saa7135 with firmware myself
[08:18] <doctormo> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerTV_HD_A180
[08:19] <doctormo> it was quite odd since you have to dive into the kernel docs to get a script that grams the firmware
[08:19] <doctormo> isn't this something you could write a small script and package it up?
[08:22] <doctormo> heh I'm running a scan without any arial
[08:27] <superm1> well actually someone on the mythbuntu team was going to work on such an item
[08:27] <superm1> a firmware detection package
[08:27] <superm1> but didn't get it finished in time this summer
[08:28] <superm1> so its been pushed back to hardy
[08:28] <doctormo> I see
[08:28] <superm1> oh its a 7134
[08:28] <superm1> not a 7135
[08:29] <doctormo> superm1: no it's a 7133
[08:29] <superm1> haha :)
[08:29] <superm1> didn't realize you were loading dvb modules for it
[08:29] <doctormo> but there is not 7133 or 7135 modules
[08:29] <superm1> that uses the same firmware as the cx88-dvb cards too
[08:29] <doctormo> superm1: I wasn't, but I have now since that is what the instructions call for; I have no idea what it is though
[08:29] <doctormo> digital video broadcast?
[08:29] <superm1> i'll update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list
[08:30] <superm1> to add this piece of info regarding firmware
[08:30] <superm1> yes
[08:30] <doctormo> Ah so like DAB Radio then
[08:30] <superm1> so your card has both DVB and analogue capabilities then
[08:30] <doctormo> superm1: seems to just have DVB
[08:30] <superm1> well if you were getting /dev/video0
[08:31] <superm1> that is an analog device file
[08:31] <doctormo> superm1: that wiki page lists A180 as 'unknown'
[08:32] <doctormo> superm1: Ah I was getting that because if saa7134 loads without propper config, without the firmware etc then it doesn't work
[08:32] <superm1> yeah, your the first one to present an issue with it
[08:32] <superm1> okay that page is updated now
[08:32] <doctormo> so you don't really get analog it's just misconfigured
[08:33] <doctormo> superm1: wow that was quick! lol
[08:59] <superm1> okay doctormo i'm headed to bed.  hopefully things are working better for you :)
[09:18] <andruk> when i upgrade to gutsy, should i use a ubuntu cd, and then install mythtv, or should i use mythbuntu and then install the rest of the packages i need?
[09:18] <superm1> you can do it either way around
[09:19] <superm1> if you start with ubuntu, you can install mythbuntu-control-centre
[09:19] <superm1> and get all the mythbuntu stuff via that
[09:19] <superm1> if you start with mythbuntu, you can use mythbuntu-control-centre to install any {,k,x}ubuntu-desktop packages
[09:19] <superm1> and then use synaptic or apt-get to add whatever you'd like
[09:21] <andruk> cool, so does mythbuntu auto-detect a lot more settings?
[09:21] <andruk> nm...dumb question
[09:21] <superm1> well it configures a lot more for you
[09:21] <superm1> samba, vnc, nfs, remote
[09:21] <superm1> and puts everything in a convenient easy to change/access place
[09:22] <superm1> all of the changes that happen in mythbuntu happen in the archive though, so if you want to go the long way, you can always install packages through the archive and configure things your self
[09:22] <superm1> eg the remote control stuff, everyone benefits from it
[09:22] <superm1> having modules shipped by default now
[09:22] <superm1> and preloading lircd stuff
[09:22] <superm1> but you dont get the autogenerating lircrc unless you go mythbuntu
[09:25] <DaveMorris> superm1: the desktop icons are loaded with idesk, how can I change their postions?
[09:26] <superm1> DaveMorris, we should probably use the desktop icon manager that comes with xfce instead
[09:26] <superm1> but other wise you can just drag them around
[09:26] <superm1> their position is saved
[09:26] <DaveMorris> well atm it loads them up, however they start above the top pannel
[09:27] <DaveMorris> I'll look at using the xfce desktop icons as well though
[09:27] <superm1> yea it's probably a lot more straightforward to do it with xfce desktop icons
[09:27] <superm1> and it will look better than idesk did
[09:28] <superm1> how'd you get around your little GTK problem earlier?
[09:28] <DaveMorris> I was having that GTK problem because I'd included gnome-network-manager
[09:28] <superm1> network-manager-gnome you mean?
[09:28] <DaveMorris> yeah
[09:28] <superm1> oh well that's not good, we do want to include that still..
[09:29] <DaveMorris> yep
[09:29] <superm1> other than that how are things coming along then?
[09:34] <andruk> superm1: that totally answers my question then.  thanks!
[09:34] <elmargol> I have one of those usb irda dongles. It gutsy detects it as a keyboard :(
[09:34] <superm1> andruk, great, leave some comments in the thread on ubuntu forums gutsy section about the control centre with what you think
[09:35] <superm1> if you go ubuntu->mythbuntu likely that thread is more relevant
[09:35] <elmargol> How can I disable this? And use lirc instead?
[09:35] <superm1> elmargol, blacklist the module
[09:35] <elmargol> do you know the name?
[09:35] <superm1> elmargol, do you know what lirc module it should be using?
[09:35] <elmargol> Lirc allready works. but somehow mythtv does use the keyboard interface instead
[09:36] <elmargol> If I kill mythtv and use irdadump it shows the buttons
[09:36] <superm1> irdadump?
[09:36] <superm1> that's a lirc utility?
[09:36] <elmargol> thats irda-utils
[09:36] <superm1> that's a sep ir package
[09:36] <superm1> you sure your using lirc with the thing?
[09:36] <elmargol> yes
[09:37] <superm1> what lirc module does it use?
[09:37] <elmargol> well not 100%
[09:37] <superm1> typically it will only modprobe one module
[09:37] <superm1> either a hid module
[09:37] <superm1> or a lirc module
[09:37] <elmargol> maybe it grabs the informations direct from the device
[09:37] <elmargol> id modprobes a hid module
[09:38] <superm1> okay so it's likely not using lirc at all
[09:38] <superm1> which isn't a bad thing nec
[09:39] <elmargol> The problem is I can't configure 2 different keyboards at all
[09:39] <elmargol> And some keys do conflict
[09:39] <superm1> hm so xmodmap isn't a solution.
[09:40] <superm1> well how bad are the conflicts?
[09:40] <elmargol> xmodmap is an idea
[09:40] <superm1> you can always override myth behavior too
[09:40] <superm1> with mythcontrols
[09:40] <elmargol> I think I go and use xmodmap
[09:41] <elmargol> oh I can't config a specific keyboard using xmodmap
[09:42] <andruk> so...how do you guys do the autogenerating lircrc
[09:44] <superm1> andruk, another package called mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[09:44] <superm1> it parses your lircd.conf
[09:44] <superm1> and sets a bunch of defaults based on the keys that it finds
[09:44] <andruk> cool
[09:48] <superm1> andruk, if you look at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy you can see how its used outside of mythbuntu if your interested to try it without mythbuntu setup
[09:49] <andruk> so the lirc modules finally got builtin to the kernel by default i take it?
[09:49] <superm1> well they're part of another package, linux-ubuntu-modules
[09:50] <superm1> with is kinda a frankenstein of lirc 0.8.2 plus a ton from lirc cvs
[09:50] <superm1> but in short yes
[09:50] <andruk> ah
[09:50] <andruk> cool
[09:52] <andruk> on the "would you like to make your box a regular desktop machine?" window, would it be possible to include ubuntu studio?
[09:52] <superm1> well yes and no.  i'm planning on talking to _MMA_ about that
[09:52] <andruk> just wondering.  i would think that it would only take installing a few more packages and messing around with the theme
[09:52] <superm1> to see if they want to be listed
[09:52] <andruk> yeah
[09:52] <superm1> and technical problems surrounding it
[09:53] <andruk> cuz, itd be really cool to be able to traverse from a mythbuntu base to {,k,x}ubuntu desktop to *studio, etc.
[09:56] <andruk> oh, i take that back...realtime (or close to it) kernel, lirc modules, etc.  that would be a real bitch.
[09:56] <superm1> yea realtime is the big one
[09:56] <superm1> linux-ubuntu-modules comes on all *-desktops though
[09:56] <andruk> cool
[09:57] <superm1> it's the big reason that ubuntu has such good hardware support,
[09:57] <superm1> lots of extra patches put there that other distros dont ship
[09:57] <andruk> how big is the ubuntu kernel?
[09:57] <superm1> how do you quantify big?
[09:58] <superm1> and what do you count as kernel?
[09:59] <andruk> good question...i am not that technical
[09:59] <andruk> is a physics major
[10:00] <superm1> well if you mean physical size - say of how big the packages are that are shipped
[10:00] <andruk> yeah
[10:00] <superm1> its probably 80 megs or so for linux-image, linux-restricted-modules, linux-ubuntu-modules
[10:00] <andruk> and how big is the xp and vista kernels?
[10:01] <andruk> *are
[10:01] <superm1> er actually scratch that.  its 60 for the kernel package
[10:01] <superm1> its 10 for the linux-ubuntu-modules
[10:01] <superm1> and then 40 for restricted
[10:02] <superm1> well you can't really compare the two, because the core "kernel" image for ubuntu is only like 1.5 megs
[10:02] <andruk> so all together, about 100 megs
[10:02] <andruk> ah...
[10:02] <superm1> its all the hardware support that goes with it
[10:02] <superm1> that adds up right there
[10:02] <andruk> so ive read
[10:03] <andruk> oh, and an off-topic question: is the reason i have to restart my windows machine after updates due to the kernel being updated?
[10:03] <superm1> well it is either that or a service that is in use that needs to be reloaded to take advantage of changes
[10:04] <andruk> ah
[10:05] <andruk> well, im gonna hit the sack, i have a test tomorrow
[10:05] <andruk> today
[10:05] <andruk> night all
[10:05] <superm1> night :)
[11:07] <laga> morning
[11:10] <DaveMorris> morning laga
[11:10] <laga> heya DaveMorris
[11:20] <laga> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.NotImplementedError: ('selected-file commit of merges is not supported yet: files %r', [u'build_trunk.sh'] )
[11:20] <laga> can i plz has working software, kthx
[11:23] <laga> still not working. great.
[11:23] <laga> ah well
[01:06] <laga> *sigh*
[01:22] <laga> superm1: BTW, the weekly build script cannot yet build the myththemes package for fixes. there's not debian/ in bzr yet
[01:57] <laga> gah, i just uploaded mythplugins *before* mythtv to the ppa. blah
[02:03] <laga> Daviey: what's the status on the move to xfce4?
[02:04] <Daviey> laga: DaveMorris is dealing with that, i believe
[02:05] <directhex|work> is that a mythbuntu move, or an ubuntu-mythtv-frontend move?
[02:05] <laga> oh, sorry.
[02:05] <laga> directhex|work: mythbuntu move AFAIK. good question, though
[02:05] <laga> DaveMorris: what's the status on the move to xfce4?
[02:05] <Daviey> laga: tis crazy.. we could just have forked xbuntu in the first place
[02:05] <directhex|work> xfwm4 was the only WM which didn't give me focus issues on my old frontend box - saying that, i tried everything except *box
[02:06] <laga> Daviey: so what? ;)
[02:11] <laga> superm1: i like the revamped "additional drivers/firmware" page in mythbuntu-ubiquity.
[02:11] <laga> that'll make it easier for me to poke at it..
[02:16] <DaveMorris> I've got the iso building etc, I just need to do the default settings etc and have them loaded, I'll do more of it tonight after work
[02:17] <laga> DaveMorris: that's cool
[02:17] <laga> DaveMorris: let me know if you need help
[02:17] <laga> i'm still alienated by the openbox setup on the livecd although i used to use fluxbox a lot
[02:17] <DaveMorris> if I'm not on the launchpad beta team by the time I've done that I'll have to get you to do a new build of the mythbuntu-settings package
[02:18] <Daviey> DaveMorris: Had you sent an email, promising not to disclose info and/or screenshots?
[02:18] <laga> no worries, just pass me the source when you're ready
[02:19] <laga> bah. $stuff tends to break often in gutsy. *sigh*
[02:19] <DaveMorris> I'm just installing them via wget's off my webserver atm
[02:22] <DaveMorris> Daviey: what are you on about?
[02:23] <Daviey> When you join the LP beta team, you get an email (handsent) asking you to confirm not to disclose beta secrets
[02:23] <laga> DaveMorris: if you apply for membership to the beta tetsters team, you are asked to change your name to your real name on LP and to keep quiet about beta secrets
[02:24] <DaveMorris> no I've not got an email yet
[02:24] <Daviey> DaveMorris: /j #launchpad and *poke*
[02:24] <laga> DaveMorris: poked the people in #launchpad yet?
[02:24] <laga> bah, he beat me to it again
[02:24] <Daviey> laga: cause i'm better than u ;)
[02:24] <DaveMorris> not yet, I assumed they'd be bust over the weekend, so I'll give them a day or 2
[02:24] <laga> Daviey: :'(
[02:27] <laga> hum. i booted alpha 4, ran apt-get update.
[02:27] <laga> ubiquity fails because it can't download the vnc4server deb
[02:28] <laga> i can apt-get install it just fine
[02:36] <Daviey> laga: Is it a signing problem?
[02:37] <laga> no
[02:37] <laga> it tries do get it from an official mirror
[02:42] <Daviey> Arg.
[02:48] <MythbuntuGuest46> hello someonethere for support?
[02:48] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: depends. :)
[02:48] <MythbuntuGuest46> haha, dave here from holland
[02:48] <MythbuntuGuest46> i have a question about mythbuntu, i'd really like to thank you guys for the good work
[02:49] <laga> thanks :)
[02:49] <MythbuntuGuest46> i can report that there is a problem with the installer for vnc support when you choose advanced install and the propieraty driver are not installed when i choosed to insall the system freezez then
[02:50] <MythbuntuGuest46> alpha 4 i mean
[02:50] <laga> i think that's a known issue
[02:50] <MythbuntuGuest46> ok cool
[02:50] <MythbuntuGuest46> one other thing
[02:51] <MythbuntuGuest46> i have an problem with the newer mce usb infrared 1039 i believe, when i choose to install that remote it skips 2 or 3 menu items in mythtv
[02:51] <laga> um
[02:51] <laga> you mean, when you are using it in mythtv?
[02:51] <laga> buttons are too fast?
[02:51] <MythbuntuGuest46> yes sorry
[02:51] <laga> that's a known problem, too :) you can fix that, though
[02:52] <laga> for every key that has that problem, add something like "repeat = 5" to your lircrc
[02:52] <MythbuntuGuest46> no not too fast it really skips from for example from watching tv to 3 items belowe
[02:53] <MythbuntuGuest46> below
[02:53] <MythbuntuGuest46> i've you guys want to i wanna help with mythbuntu
[02:53] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest46: have any hosting space per chance? :D
[02:53] <Daviey> we are really struggling with mirrors atm
[02:53] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: hum, that's a symptom for a too fast repeat rate. try my suggested fix
[02:54] <MythbuntuGuest46> i will thnx
[02:54] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: can you program, amybe in python?
[02:54] <laga> maybe*
[02:54] <MythbuntuGuest46> i can host from my home but its an orange family adsl
[02:55] <MythbuntuGuest46> upstream it not so good
[02:55] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest46: ah well.. thanks anyway
[02:55] <laga> no, that's probably not a good idea ;)
[02:55] <MythbuntuGuest46> so is there gonna be an alpha 5?
[02:55] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest46: possibly, or maybe just a release
[02:56] <laga> alpha5 sounds good to iron out the last issues
[02:56] <Daviey> I think as we are changing to XFCE, we should have another alpha
[02:56] <MythbuntuGuest46> guys how can i install mythtv svn into alpha 4
[02:56] <MythbuntuGuest46> xfce?
[02:57] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: you can install mythtv svn by using our trunk builds
[02:57] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: wanna be a tester?
[02:57] <MythbuntuGuest46> yes please man
[02:57] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: they'll gove live very soon
[02:57] <laga> cool stuff
[02:57] <laga> i'll give you the details in a minute
[02:58] <MythbuntuGuest46> ok please i told superm1 that i wanna test but he didn't respond he's probaly very busy man
[02:58] <laga> yes
[02:58] <laga> and he's a very sleepy man, too
[02:58] <laga> it's still night in the US, i think
[02:58] <MythbuntuGuest46> And put a blueprint of drbl clonezilla for mythbuntu, "booting off PXE"
[02:58] <MythbuntuGuest46> diskless frontends!!!!
[02:59] <laga> "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe multiverse"
[02:59] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: diskless frontends would rock. i'd love to work on that for the next release
[02:59] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: ^^ add the line above into your sources.list
[02:59] <laga> run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[02:59] <laga> and pray
[02:59] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: if you encounter packaging-related problems, please file a bug in launchpad against mythtv
[03:00] <laga> and mention that you're running the trunk builds of coruse
[03:00] <laga> course*
[03:00] <MythbuntuGuest46> yes i will thnx a lot man i will begin testing tonight
[03:00] <laga> mythtv-themes and mythtv-additional-themes are not installable yet.
[03:00] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: great.
[03:00] <MythbuntuGuest46> did you get my message of PXE booting
[03:00] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: a fresh build is being compiled right now, but it's somewhat broken - it'll work fine but some features a missing. should still work.
[03:01] <MythbuntuGuest46> oh sorry you are to fast
[03:01] <laga> heh
[03:01] <MythbuntuGuest46> problems with mythmusic are solvd?
[03:01] <laga> what problems?
[03:02] <MythbuntuGuest46> with faad and faad2.0
[03:02] <MythbuntuGuest46> take a look at http://drbl.sourceforge.net
[03:02] <laga> what was the problem with that?
[03:03] <laga> yeah, i saw drbl already
[03:03] <bendailey> Daviey & laga did you guys know you (mythbuntu) got a mention in the October issue of Linux Journal
[03:03] <laga> need to get that integrated with mythbuntu-control-centre
[03:03] <laga> bendailey: no
[03:03] <laga> bendailey: UK magazine?
[03:03] <bendailey> yeah let me see if the article is available online
[03:03] <bendailey> no, US Mag
[03:03] <MythbuntuGuest46> i use it for my work i love it, and i told steven shiau, he is the creator of drbl i talk to him on daily base with him to discuss bugs and other stuff, but i would be very interested if drbl can be implmented in mythbuntu
[03:04] <MythbuntuGuest46> need to get that integrated with mythbuntu-control-centre ?
[03:04] <MythbuntuGuest46> what?
[03:05] <MythbuntuGuest46> maybe you can try drbl in spare time its not that difficult to install
[03:05] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: mythbuntu-control-centre is used to configure mythbuntu
[03:05] <laga> yes, i should do that
[03:05] <MythbuntuGuest46> drbl is now ready unstable but stable enough for gutsy
[03:05] <laga> but i think we're too close to a release right now
[03:05] <laga> "ready unstable"?
[03:05] <MythbuntuGuest46> sorry
[03:05] <MythbuntuGuest46> unstable is now ready for gutsy but stable enough i tested already
[03:06] <MythbuntuGuest46> do i need to add a repository key for svn trunks?
[03:06] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: there is no key yet. that'll come later this week.
[03:07] <MythbuntuGuest46> so i can install anyway
[03:07] <laga> yes
[03:07] <MythbuntuGuest46> ok cool
[03:07] <MythbuntuGuest46> i'm very curious
[03:07] <MythbuntuGuest46> btw i'm Dave from Holland
[03:07] <laga> if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces
[03:07] <laga> i'm michael from germany :)
[03:07] <MythbuntuGuest46> Berlin?
[03:08] <laga> nope, small town in the south-western part
[03:08] <MythbuntuGuest46> ok, i'm from near Amsterdam --> Almere
[03:08] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: is drbl available in the gutsy repositories?
[03:08] <MythbuntuGuest46> so what is you're role in mythbuntu
[03:08] <MythbuntuGuest46> no
[03:08] <MythbuntuGuest46> wait
[03:09] <laga> my role? uh, implementing minor stuff, testing, etc
[03:09] <laga> bitching, complaining, nagging mostly
[03:10] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: did the repeat =  entry for your lircrc fix your problem?
[03:10] <MythbuntuGuest46> sorry i'm at work now and my wife is watching tv so i can only test tonight
[03:11] <MythbuntuGuest46> deb http://free.nchc.org.tw/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[03:11] <MythbuntuGuest46> deb http://free.nchc.org.tw/drbl-core drbl unstable
[03:11] <laga> make sure to get a backup before isntalling trunk. it can be unstable.
[03:11] <MythbuntuGuest46> add these to your sources.list
[03:11] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: it would be better if it was in ubuntu proper so we can easily add it to mythbuntu.
[03:11] <MythbuntuGuest46> for drbl
[03:12] <MythbuntuGuest46> wget http://drbl.nchc.org.tw/GPG-KEY-DRBL; apt-key add GPG-KEY-DRBL
[03:12] <MythbuntuGuest46>  or "wget http://drbl.sourceforge.net/GPG-KEY-DRBL; rpm --import GPG-KEY-DRBL"
[03:12] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: if you know drbl that well, you could become drbl maintainer in ubuntu
[03:12] <MythbuntuGuest46> i'n not the creator of the software
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest46> i'm
[03:13] <laga> i'm pretty sure that superm1 is not the creator of mythtv either
[03:13] <laga> that doesn't matter
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest46> no but i have to discuss with Steven Shiau
[03:14] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: it'd be really cool.
[03:14] <MythbuntuGuest46> but i already let him now that i made an blueprint for mythbuntu for drbl
[03:14] <laga> what was his response?
[03:14] <MythbuntuGuest46> i'll show you some pictures
[03:14] <MythbuntuGuest46> http://drbl.sourceforge.net/screenshot/?in_path=/09_NCCW_Holland
[03:15] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: does drbl tend to break, eg when you do stupid things will it break completely or is it rather robust?
[03:15] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: looks cool. what distro are you using there?
[03:15] <MythbuntuGuest46> that's may work, i use drbl clonezilla --> clonezilla is the other part not neccessary for mythbuntu but very handy like norton ghost but better both windows and linux
[03:15] <MythbuntuGuest46> my work
[03:15] <MythbuntuGuest46> ubuntu feisty
[03:16] <laga> yeah, saw that
[03:16] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: cool.
[03:16] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: i suppose it would make your life easier, too, if it was in ubuntu proper
[03:16] <MythbuntuGuest46> fully booting of an server 700 meters away over fiberglas to gb switches and diskless
[03:17] <laga> ooh, nice
[03:17] <MythbuntuGuest46> but the beauty of drbl is that it uses the power of the machine which is booting of not the central server but the client power
[03:17] <MythbuntuGuest46> so not like ltsp
[03:18] <laga> i tried to make mythfrontend run as local app on ltsp
[03:18] <laga> and failed. :)
[03:18] <MythbuntuGuest46> there have to be somethings configured but i can help with that i tested already a lot things with mythtv
[03:19] <laga> cool.
[03:19] <MythbuntuGuest46> you can always reach me by mail dave at kerkmeer . nl
[03:19] <MythbuntuGuest46> or dave  at nccw . nl
[03:19] <laga> since you know about drbl. can you make your blueprint more detailed, e.g. outline what steps would have to be taken to make mythbuntu work well with drbl?
[03:19] <laga> and how you think mythbuntu should be used with drbl?
[03:20] <MythbuntuGuest46> the beauty is is that when you have pc's with pxe option they can really boot off the backend for instance
[03:20] <MythbuntuGuest46> and boot in to fully mythfrontend
[03:20] <MythbuntuGuest46> also when videocard is diffrenent
[03:21] <MythbuntuGuest46> you can add me with msn if you preffer one day
[03:21] <MythbuntuGuest46> kerkmeer at wanadoo .nl
[03:21] <laga> i don't use msn a lot, so i prefer irc or mail
[03:22] <laga> are you signed up to the mythbuntu mailing list?
[03:22] <MythbuntuGuest46> no not yet
[03:22] <MythbuntuGuest46> can you add me
[03:23] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
[03:25] <laga> superm1: heh, just filing a bug for ya ;)
[03:25] <superm1> laga, so the newer ubiquity works for you?
[03:25] <MythbuntuGuest46> he superm1 keep up the good work love mythbuntu
[03:25] <superm1> thx MythbuntuGuest46 :)
[03:25] <laga> superm1: not quite :/
[03:25] <MythbuntuGuest46> sorry Dave here alias deffcon
[03:26] <superm1> laga, hmpf, ubiquity-1.5.13+mythbuntu1 or ubiquity-1.5.13+mythbuntu2?
[03:26] <laga> superm1: mythbuntu2
[03:26] <superm1> damn.  didn't test it before i pushed it to the PPA last night, but i was hoping
[03:26] <laga> vnc4server deb does not download
[03:26] <MythbuntuGuest46> i can confirm that
[03:27] <MythbuntuGuest46> and propieraty drivers are not working
[03:27] <laga> i get a 404 and it tries to use the default mirror, although i told it to use de.archive.ubuntu.com in the sources.list
[03:27] <laga> and ran apt-get update
[03:27] <MythbuntuGuest46> installer locks up
[03:29] <superm1> laga, was this on a fresh cd build?
[03:29] <superm1> or on an apt-get update/upgrade on the disk
[03:30] <laga> apt-get update on the disk
[03:31] <laga> didn't feel like building a new disk, tbh. takes a lot of time
[03:31] <laga> and is not always successful :/
[03:32] <superm1> well the thing is that rebuild process changes the on cd repository
[03:32] <superm1> and updates it to newer versions of stuff on the disk
[03:32] <superm1> i'm still not sure why the on cd repository isn't setting up as the default though, its getting really annoying that its not
[03:33] <laga> superm1: so it's not really a bug?
[03:34] <superm1> well the real bug is that it doesnt pick the on cd respository
[03:34] <superm1> at least
[03:34] <laga> hum
[03:34] <laga> right.
[03:35] <laga> still odd.
[03:35] <bendailey> Daviey,
[03:35] <bendailey> superm1, how are the other mirrors looking?
[03:35] <laga> superm1: is the new ubiquity supposed to fix the vnc passwod breakage?
[03:35] <bendailey> I have used 76.6 GB out of my 100
[03:35] <laga> superm1: how often is the mirror script for weekly builds ran?
[03:35] <superm1> bendailey, still haven't got a word from foxbuntu on mirrors
[03:36] <superm1> laga, i haven't touched the vnc password breakage :)
[03:36] <superm1> remember its assigned to you. hehe
[03:36] <superm1> we really need elmo to come through with canonical hosted stuff then don't we
[03:36] <laga> superm1: i was going to take a look, but wasn't too succesful obviously.
[03:36] <DaveMorris> bendailey: you find an online version of that article?
[03:37] <superm1> laga, as you follow up that tree of backtrace, you end up outside of ubiquity source
[03:37] <superm1> so its a bit hard to debug indeed
[03:37] <laga> superm1: i fixed some stuff in the weekly build script again. it's not dputting automagically for me, though
[03:38] <superm1> laga, oh that's not good. let me see what you changed
[03:38] <bendailey> DaveMorris, the article is only available to subscribers right now
[03:38] <superm1> and see if you broke things for both of us :)
[03:38] <laga> superm1: thanks, heh
[03:38] <bendailey> It was about OpenMedia MyPVR 2.0
[03:38] <bendailey> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9799
[03:40] <laga> bah
[03:40] <laga> need to register
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138642 in mythbuntu "ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu: fails to download vnc4server deb" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138642
[03:40] <bendailey> laga, yeah sorry have to have a subscription
[03:41] <laga> bugmenot has logins
[03:41] <laga> of which none are working
[03:41] <laga> ah well
[03:42] <superm1> laga, you need to DPUT=true
[03:42] <superm1> not DPUT=yes
[03:42] <laga> oh
[03:42] <laga> mea culpa, thanks
[03:43] <DaveMorris> superm1: you should o back to bed
[03:43] <superm1> why?
[03:43] <DaveMorris> you only went to bed 6hrs ago or so
[03:43] <superm1> actually less than that
[03:43] <superm1> i think it was 5.5
[03:44] <laga> ouch :/
[03:44] <superm1> eck i missed the bus to campus already this morning a little bit ago
[03:45] <MythbuntuGuest46> hey guys let me know if i can test some things for you
[03:45] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: can you change your nickname in here?
 Le-Chuck_ITA: Sorry, was on a call. I'll post this for anyone else who's reading, even though you've left the channel: we're making a change to the beta team later today, so that beta testers get redirected to our edge server .I'm waiting for that to happen, so I can tell new beta testers, before I approve anyone else. Thanks.
[03:45] <directhex|work> superm1, walk! exercise is good for you!
[03:46] <superm1> directhex|work, it's a good 2.4-2.6 km walk, so it'd be a little lengthy time wise
[03:46] <laga> superm1: that'd be 20-30 minutes i think
[03:46] <superm1> yea
[03:46] <superm1> by then another bus will come :)
[03:46] <laga> slacker
[03:46] <directhex|work> superm1, but excellent exercise!
[03:46] <laga> i went for a 2h walk with the GF yesterday
[03:47] <laga> actually, it was supposed to be 1hr, but we got lost. ;)
[03:47] <superm1> the only time i do that walk is when i am coming back from the bars and miss the last bus back really late at night
[03:47] <superm1> DaveMorris, ( that post from mrevell was directed toward you )
[03:48] <MythbuntuGuest46> I tired to change my nickname but it won't chjange at all
[03:48] <MythbuntuGuest46> change
[03:50] <bendailey|work> MythbuntuGuest46, /nick NewNickName
[03:53] <MythbuntuGuest46> MythbuntuGuest46, /nick Deffcon
[03:54] <MythbuntuGuest46> still not working
[03:56] <MythbuntuGuest36> ?
[03:56] <bendailey|java> MythbuntuGuest36, were you just 46?
[03:56] <MythbuntuGuest36> yes
[03:57] <MythbuntuGuest36> how can i change my nick
[03:58] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest36,  just issue the command '/nick NICKYOUWANT' with NICKYOUWANT what you want to be switching it to
[03:58] <superm1> without the quotes and such
[03:58] <superm1> so if i wanted to be mario it would be like this without the quotes
[03:58] <superm1> '/nick mario'
[03:58] <superm1> there ya go
[03:58] <Deffcon> better
[03:58] <Deffcon> first time guys sorry
[03:59] <Deffcon> but this was i believe the only way to reach you
[03:59] <Deffcon> thnx
[04:00] <Deffcon> did you say superm1 you wanted beta testers or did i read wrong
[04:00] <laga> we want beta testers, yes!
[04:00] <Deffcon> tell me what to do
[04:00] <laga> install mythbuntu
[04:00] <laga> give it a good beating
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #138648 in mythbuntu "LiveCD installer won't use on-cd repo" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138648
[04:00] <laga> file bugs. ;)
[04:01] <superm1> well better off.  1) install mythbuntu.  2) give it a good beating.  3) file bugs.  4) profit!
[04:01] <Deffcon> is this the bug with vnc4server
[04:02] <superm1> yea that is the root cause of not being able to install vnc4server and proprietary drivers
[04:03] <Deffcon> i can already confirm that this is really not working because after 10 installations of mythbuntu alpha 4 i beated my pc
[04:03] <laga> superm1: what exactly happens? ubiquity does not pick up changes to the apt package lists?
[04:04] <directhex|work> it's buggered me in the past, albeit with d-i
[04:04] <laga> i hope the launchpad guys won't kill me. just uploaded the second build of mythtv for today
[04:05] <Deffcon> its a great product why would they kill you
[04:05] <directhex|work> laga, if one tiny 20mb source package is a problem, they'll never get a real production service going
[04:05] <laga> directhex|work: heh. rebuild is quick, only takes 10 minutes or so
[04:05] <laga> latency is annoying, though :/
[04:06] <directhex|work> so when does PPC get added to the list of arches it does?
[04:06] <laga> *sigh*
[04:06] <laga> rejected, looks like a new orig.tar.gz was created
[04:07] <Deffcon> but i believe there where previous local repository problems on the installer wheren't there
[04:07] <directhex|work> also, shall i update my packages to 0.20.2-0ubuntu5 now, or is it gonna get replaced with a new version within the next couple of days
[04:08] <laga> i'll have to upload the fixed mythtv build later then, after i downloaded the orig.tar.gz again ;)
[04:10] <Deffcon> do i have to test more than this bug you told me earlier
[04:10] <laga> uh
[04:10] <laga> well, we already found that bug so it doesn't need testing :)
[04:10] <laga> you can poke around in the control centre a bit
[04:11] <laga> and talk to the drbl guy of course :)
[04:11] <Deffcon> what you want me to ask him
[04:12] <laga> well, didn't you say you wanted to ask him about making drbl go into the ubuntu repositories?
[04:12] <laga> or even better, go into debian so they can be synced to ubuntu
[04:12] <laga> (if that's possible without modifying them)
[04:13] <superm1> directhex|work, ubuntu6 should publish in a day or two
[04:13] <Deffcon> is that an prio to mythbuntu to get packages into ubuntu repository
[04:13] <Deffcon> ?
[04:13] <superm1> directhex|work, its a minor change to ubuntu6 though
[04:13] <Deffcon> how can i add the weekly builds to gutsy sources.list
[04:13] <Deffcon> ?
[04:14] <laga> "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe multiverse"
[04:14] <Deffcon> sorry for my ignorance but i'm a newbie to this
[04:14] <laga> add that line to your sources.list
[04:14] <superm1> directhex|work, er actually it published this morning
[04:15] <Deffcon> the same what you send me earlier
[04:15] <superm1> i just got it from mirror.cs.umn.edu
[04:15] <directhex|work> superm1, i'll wait. it's a colossal pain doing packages, i'd rather not have ones that only last a few days :)
[04:15] <laga> Deffcon: uh, yes. why would anything have changes?
[04:15] <superm1> DaveMorris, you had hardware that supported openchrome right?
[04:15] <laga> s/changes/changed/
[04:16] <DaveMorris> yeah
[04:16] <Deffcon> sorry thnx
[04:16] <superm1> DaveMorris, then as soon as we go to the next alpha, can you test the install with openchrome option?
[04:16] <Deffcon> would anyone be interested in hardware that mythbuntu runs on
[04:17] <DaveMorris> yeah, testing the LiveCD will be easy, installing won't be
[04:17] <superm1> well the install part is the important part
[04:17] <superm1> openchrome doesn't activate until you restart...
[04:17] <DaveMorris> I can test, just not as easily, since I need to replace the HDD
[04:17] <superm1> right
[04:17] <DaveMorris> and there will be no TV for my g/f to watch whilst I'm doing it
[04:18] <superm1> well you can do what i had done for my testing, and install it to a usb hard drive
[04:18] <superm1> so you dont need to pull any hardware out
[04:18] <DaveMorris> cdrom drive is usb ;)
[04:18] <DaveMorris> although I can buy another caddy (I swap them atm)
[04:19] <DaveMorris> will it installed to a 2GB memory stick fine?
[04:19] <Deffcon> guys have to go for now i'll test tonight and let you know alright
[04:20] <laga> Deffcon: cool stuff. make sure to join the mailing list and post there if you have problems
[04:21] <superm1> laga, Estimated archive size: 1.4 GiB !~?
[04:21] <Deffcon> yes i will and thnx for everything
[04:21] <superm1> DaveMorris, it will install to a 2gb memory stick
[04:21] <laga> superm1: heheh
[04:21] <laga> superm1: not my fault that they won't purge old stuff
[04:21] <superm1> amazing what the extra themes becomes: 12 Sources (241.3 MiB)
[04:22] <laga> if you're installing to a1 2Gb usb stick.. you might have to remove some of the plugisn to make it fit *ponders*
[04:22] <laga> superm1: yes
[04:22] <superm1> well the *full* install ends up ~1gb
[04:22] <superm1> so you probably won't need to remove anything
[04:22] <laga> superm1: oh, nice
[04:22] <superm1> laga, the ~ubuntu-installer one now
[04:23] <superm1> since i joined the team, dev stuff happens there
[04:23] <laga> yup
[04:23] <laga> superm1: can't wait to dive into the code for your new changes
[04:23] <superm1> laga, oh they're not too bad
[04:24] <laga> just wish that checking out from launchpad was quicker
[04:24] <superm1> i just hacked that together last night while i was doing some hw
[04:24] <laga> superm1: i suspect it'll make adding support for sis tv-out a little bit easier
[04:24] <superm1> yes it should
[04:24] <superm1> and anything else that supports tv out
[04:24] <laga> superm1: like openchrome and friends.
[04:24] <superm1> openchrome does?
[04:25] <laga> some epia boards have tv-out support, aye
[04:25] <laga> http://wiki.openchrome.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=TVOut
[04:25] <laga> i'll try to add that, if you don't mind
[04:25] <laga> but i've gotta run soon, so prolly not today
[04:26] <superm1> ah very cool
[04:26] <superm1> i dont mind at all, i look at that page and start to think about how it needs to be coded
[04:26] <superm1> and dont like that
[04:28] <laga> dont like what? your obsessive behaviour or the page itself? ;)
[04:28] <superm1> well how it will need to be coded to work
[04:28] <superm1> well and that makes me think :
[04:28] <superm1> perhaps that openchrome option should only show up if its using the 'via' driver
[04:28] <superm1> during live mode
[04:29] <laga> why?
[04:29] <superm1> because it doesn't currently modify the xorg.conf
[04:29] <laga> ah, you added that option without adding any backend code?
[04:29] <superm1> well it installs xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[04:30] <superm1> but beyond that i didn't think it would be necessary since the unichrome driver uses the drivername 'via'
[04:30] <superm1> but i may be wrong there
[04:30] <superm1> i wonder if any openchrome supported hardware doesn't support unichrome then
[04:31] <laga> i wonder why xserver-xorg-video-all does not pull in xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[04:31] <superm1> because it pulls in the unichrome variant
[04:31] <superm1> and they conflict
[04:31] <laga> ah.
[04:31] <superm1> not to mention openchrome is in universe
[04:31] <superm1> unichrome is in main
[04:32] <laga> k.
[04:33] <laga> i wish virtualbox was faster.
[04:33] <laga> i'm wishing a lot today.
[04:35] <laga> superm1: looking at the package contents: unichrome and openchrome are both called "via"
[04:36] <superm1> exactly
[04:36] <superm1> that's why i wasn't sure backend code is really needed
[04:36] <superm1> but if any unichrome hardware boots into the live cd as 'vesa
[04:36] <superm1> then it is
[04:36] <laga> backend code might be needed for tv-out
[04:37] <laga> wish $stuff was more unified...
[04:39] <superm1> the whole situation with openchrome / unichrome really is ugly
[04:39] <superm1> all politics
[04:45] <laga> i hate it when the box gets slow when i'm doing a lot of things simultaneously
[04:45] <DaveMorris> laga ramdisk ;)
[04:45] <laga> heh, RAM is cheap indeed :)
[04:45] <laga> can't make backups to a ramdisk, though
[04:45] <laga> i prefer usb for that
[04:53] <Tyleulen> Good morning.  I have a question involving installing Mythbuntu off the live CD
[04:53] <laga> shoot man
[04:53] <Tyleulen> Is there a way to do it that does not reformat the existing drive?
[04:54] <Tyleulen> I have 400+ gigs of recordings I would like not to loose
[04:54] <Tyleulen> lose*
[04:54] <DaveMorris> are they all on one partation?
[04:54] <Tyleulen> Maybe, when the drive was set up I used the default Ubuntu Edgy install
[04:55] <DaveMorris> you could shrink the partition they are on to create a 5GB one to install mythbuntu on
[04:55] <DaveMorris> *create a new
[04:55] <laga> "maybe"? ;)
[04:55] <laga> you should find out.
[04:55] <DaveMorris> personally I find mythtv eats hdd, and would recommended a separate disk for your OS
[04:56] <laga> or at least a separate partition
[04:56] <Tyleulen> I am still a bit scetchy on how linux partitions work, I see one big 437G drive
[04:56] <laga> Tyleulen: cat /proc/partitions should tell ya
[04:57] <superm1> ick http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html
[04:57] <superm1> that makes for a bad feeling in my mouth.
[04:58] <laga> superm1: why?
[04:58] <Tyleulen> So, ideally, I should be able to shirnk the big partition by about 5G, then install Mythbuntu to that?  Would I have to choose manual for that?
[04:58] <laga> < laga> Tyleulen: cat /proc/partitions should tell ya
[04:59] <superm1> laga, because that means that the current setup still wont work
[04:59] <superm1> since there are 3 different nvidia series'
[04:59] <laga> superm1: right. those are in ubuntu already, AFAIK
[04:59] <superm1> yeah they are
[04:59] <superm1> but only two are present in ubiquity right now
[04:59] <superm1> the -new and the -legacy
[05:00] <laga> superm1: is it possible to use two drivers together? maybe i'd want to plug  a tnt2 pci next to my 7600gs pcie...
[05:00] <superm1> its one or the other
[05:00] <superm1> all three of them conflict to each other
[05:00] <laga> great
[05:02] <laga> superm1: i havent installed using vanilla ubiquity in ages. isn't there already an otpion to use proprietary drivers? if yes, they'd have to distinguish as well.
[05:02] <laga> or use restricted-driver-manager somehow on the livedisk
[05:02] <superm1> well the old way was using restricted-manager
[05:02] <superm1> and you saw what happened with that recently
[05:03] <superm1> but that also just said you've got an 'nvidia' card
[05:03] <superm1> not you've got an nvidia_legacy card
[05:03] <laga> bah.
[05:03] <laga> i didn't know restricted-manager caused the freezes
[05:03] <superm1> yea i hate having to call binaries that you dont have control over
[05:03] <superm1> its one thing to inherit from them
[05:04] <superm1> another to call them
[05:04] <laga> sigh.
[05:04] <laga> check pci ids then?
[05:05] <laga> still, restricted-driver-manager is used to install the drivers, right? should still be possible to still code from it then
[05:05] <laga> superm1: btw, how do you test ubiquity? build a new live cd with it?
[05:05] <superm1> well dependign on what i'm doing with it
[05:05] <superm1> i either drop in the files that are changed
[05:05] <superm1> or i rebuild a new cd
[05:05] <laga> right
[05:06] <superm1> building a cd only takes 20-40 min or so since everythign is cached in /var/cache/apt/archives anyhow
[05:06] <laga> still a time-consuming process
[05:06] <superm1> yea i try to work off a single cd image as long as possible
[05:06] <laga> yes, but it needs to be signed to be included in the CD
[05:06] <laga> i'm doing my development in a gutsy vm right now
[05:06] <superm1> not necessarily
[05:06] <superm1> if you push it to a PPA that is used during the build
[05:07] <superm1> it doesnt need to be signed
[05:07] <laga> heh, true
[05:07] <superm1> since --force-install is used
[05:07] <laga> i know what to do, though
[05:07] <laga> i'll create a second hard disk in virtualbox
[05:07] <laga> and install on that
[05:07] <superm1> well probably your best bet really is the way i operate actually
[05:07] <superm1> just do the dev stuff outside VB
[05:07] <superm1> and then scp stuff in
[05:07] <superm1> and drop it in the right place
[05:08] <superm1> when your confident on all the changes, do a package build
[05:08] <superm1> send it to a ppa
[05:08] <superm1> rebuild the cd
[05:08] <superm1> and all that time consuming stuff
[05:08] <superm1> and verify it all works together
[05:09] <laga> ah, are you running a sshd on the live cd
[05:09] <laga> that's cool
[05:09] <superm1> well no i'm not
[05:09] <superm1> only off my laptop
[05:09] <superm1> so i scp from my laptop to the live cd (at a live cd terminal)
[05:09] <laga> duh, it works both ways. right.
[05:10] <superm1> but yea you can do it that way too
[05:13] <DaveMorris> or install the openssh-server to your livecd once it's up and running
[05:25] <laga> aaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[05:25] <laga> i want to fix a bug
[05:25] <laga> but i keep encountering other bugs
[05:26] <laga> ffs!
[05:29] <superm1> what else are you encountering?
[05:31] <laga> superm1: http://www.pastebin.ca/690334
[05:32] <superm1> locales??
[05:32] <superm1> how did that code enter
[05:33] <laga> i compiled ubiquity from trunk
[05:33] <laga> running it on a gutsy install, installing to a second hard disk
[05:34] <superm1> okay so that is normal, it is calling the regular ol' configure_locales
[05:34] <superm1> wonder how that broke though
[05:34] <superm1> did you pick a funny language?
[05:34] <laga> uh
[05:34] <laga> german :/
[05:35] <laga> do i need to install additional language packs?
[05:35] <superm1> can you try with normal ubiquity
[05:35] <laga> that'd make sense
[05:35] <superm1> and see if the same thing happens
[05:35] <superm1> ugh i hope its not a language pack kind of problem
[05:36] <superm1> because then this is more fsck'ed then we thought
[05:36] <laga> well, i might have removed some.
[05:36] <laga> it's probably expecting them and i removed them. dunno yet
[05:36] <superm1> how'd you remove them?
[05:36] <laga> i'm referring to packages, nothing in ubiquity itself
[05:36] <superm1> oh ok
[05:40] <laga> heh.
[05:40] <laga> standard ubiquity wants to use migration-assistant
[05:41] <laga> migration-assistants wants to mount a partition, but it has to unmount /dev/sda1 first which is my root partition.
[05:41] <superm1> you can do ubiquity --no-migration-assistant
[05:41] <laga> oh, thanks.
[05:49] <superm1> okay i better run.  hopefully you dont have any luck with normal ubiquity too
[05:49] <superm1> cya later
[05:52] <laga> ah, you can just skip the migration assistent
[06:02] <laga> superm1: it's haging at 8% now, so i'm giving up
[06:02] <laga> s/haging/hanging/
[06:03] <laga> 8% in the "loading partitioning program" in the "searching disks" step. i translated that from german to english so it might be wrong
[06:03] <laga> i've frustrated myself enough for today, cya
[06:29] <superm1_> Daviey, ping
[06:35] <foxbuntu> superm1_, ping
[06:35] <superm1_> afternoon
[06:35] <foxbuntu> afternoon
[06:36] <superm1_> foxbuntu, i see something about the gtk theme that may need changing
[06:36] <foxbuntu> what is that?
[06:36] <superm1_> default font size
[06:36] <foxbuntu> oh
[06:36] <foxbuntu> too small?
[06:36] <superm1_> try it in a mythbuntu vm
[06:36] <superm1_> and you can see it is way too small
[06:37] <foxbuntu> really? I have been running it on my laptop since I finished it...no problems here
[06:38] <foxbuntu> however in this GTK the default size is not defined
[06:38] <foxbuntu> so its rendering on the fly
[06:38] <superm1_> well that would be the issue i think
[06:38] <superm1_> gnome sets a default
[06:39] <superm1_> whereas doing it in an openbox env there is none
[06:39] <superm1_> but that may change after we switch to Xfce4 based stuff
[06:39] <superm1_> i dont know
[06:39] <superm1_> we'll have to see once DaveMorris completes that switch over
[06:40] <foxbuntu> superm1_, ok...I will leave it out for now, however if DaveMorris has issues with xfce then I will add the default back in
[06:40] <superm1_> well foxbuntu install xfce and take a try
[06:40] <superm1_> and you can see
[06:41] <foxbuntu> can I switch between xfce and gnome easily?
[06:41] <superm1_> yea
[06:41] <superm1_> just choose the session upon login
[06:41] <foxbuntu> k
[06:42] <foxbuntu> pulling it down now
[06:42] <foxbuntu> however this slow wifi I am on will take a bi
[06:42] <foxbuntu> bit
[06:43] <superm1_> foxbuntu, what'd you actually ping me for though?
[06:44] <foxbuntu> idk...board at the office
[06:44] <foxbuntu> or bored rather
[06:44] <foxbuntu> saw you ping Daviey
[06:46] <superm1_> yea need him to update uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org
[06:46] <superm1_> to include laga's stuff
[06:46] <superm1_> so we can announce the weekly builds
[06:46] <superm1_> laga, btw your builds are ready to go right?
[06:48] <superm1_> foxbuntu, how are things looking for your hosting?
[06:48] <superm1_> Daviey said that his bandwidth situation isn't looking up right now
[06:50] <foxbuntu> superm1_, I just called him again still waiting for more info
[06:52] <foxbuntu> superm1_, headed to lunch be back later
[06:53] <superm1_> okay
[07:03] <laga> superm1: not quite
[07:03] <laga> superm1: one minor adjustment to the themes packages
[07:04] <laga> superm1: i was gonna kick off a rebuild with the latrst mythtv-vid merge. how about we just try the weekly build script on atrpms then?
[07:11] <Daviey> superm1: pong'd elmo earlier - no reply
[07:14] <Deffcon1> svn trunk url anybody
[07:15] <laga> "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe multiverse"
[07:15] <Deffcon1> anybody here
[07:15] <laga> hi Deffcon1
[07:15] <Deffcon1> laga thanks
[07:15] <Deffcon1> the url is on my work
[07:15] <laga> Deffcon1: if nobody answers immediately, just wait- we're always here but not always following the channel
[07:16] <Deffcon1> ok
[07:17] <Deffcon1> 2 things already
[07:17] <Deffcon1> mythbuntu control center
[07:17] <Deffcon1> lauch nvidia settings
[07:17] <Deffcon1> doesn't work
[07:17] <laga> error message?
[07:17] <Deffcon1> nothing just doesn't do anything
[07:18] <Deffcon1> i mean it doesn't pop up
[07:18] <laga> Deffcon1: ok. is that on alpha 4?
[07:18] <Deffcon1> yes
[07:18] <laga> odd
[07:18] <Deffcon1> and the fix for my new mce remote didn't work
[07:19] <superm1_> which fix?
[07:19] <laga> Deffcon1: where did you put the repeat = 5 line
[07:19] <superm1_> oh
[07:20] <Deffcon1> oh i told laga this afternoon that i have the newer mce remote 1039 i believe and the remote doesn't do what its suppose to do it jums 3 items instead of 1
[07:20] <laga> superm1: ok. make sure you have the latest weekly build script and run build_trunk.sh on the server. that should work.
[07:20] <superm1_> laga, on axel's box?
[07:20] <laga> superm1_: well, where are you building the source packages usually?
[07:20] <Deffcon1> you have to heklp me with somee thing like these scripts i know a lot already about mythtv but not mythbuntu
[07:21] <superm1_> laga, i've been doing it locally because, axel's box can't do cron jobs for my user name yet
[07:21] <superm1_> its rather annoying
[07:21] <Deffcon1> where can i get these scripts
[07:21] <laga> Deffcon1: where did you put the repeat =5 line?
[07:21] <laga> Deffcon1: i was not talking to you
[07:22] <Deffcon1> in .lircrc
[07:22] <laga> Deffcon1: can you give me an example of how you did it?
[07:22] <superm1_> laga, but have you dput your latest changes then?
[07:22] <superm1_> already to ppa
[07:23] <laga> superm1_: no. i was going to upload new source packages to ppa, but i assumed you had a cron job doing that stuff.
[07:23] <laga> everything is in bzr though
[07:23] <laga> just made sure
[07:23] <superm1_> well i do, just doesn't run
[07:23] <laga> oh, what's wrong?
[07:23] <laga> ah
[07:23] <superm1_> well it literally doesnt do anything
[07:23] <laga> sorry, got confused.
[07:23] <laga> ok
[07:23] <Deffcon1> below the mythtv line in .lircrc
[07:23] <laga> how are you calling it?
[07:23] <superm1_> i created a cron job by crontab -e
[07:24] <laga> Deffcon1: can you give me an _example_? what did you put in therE? what fdoes it look like now?
[07:24] <superm1_> and then even tested with an echo "blah" > /home/mlimonciello/test.txt
[07:24] <superm1_> with a * * * * * date
[07:24] <superm1_> time
[07:24] <superm1_> etc
[07:24] <laga> superm1_: why can't you build it on mythbuntu.org ?
[07:24] <Deffcon1> btw i get errors with the svn trunk aka build against version bla bla
[07:24] <superm1_> oh i guess i could probably do it there too.
[07:24] <superm1_> pegasus needs to join the launchpad beta then
[07:24] <laga> superm1_: i thought what was the point of having that box
[07:25] <laga> oh. hum.
[07:25] <superm1_> still also need cron jobs to work on axel's box too though
[07:25] <superm1_> so that weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org can update
[07:25] <laga> or you put your superm1+packages@gmail.com key there
[07:25] <laga> Deffcon1: you need to provide the exact error message
[07:26] <superm1_> but then i need to leave a gpg key for superm1@gmail.com there
[07:26] <superm1_> i'd rather stick to the pegasus gpg key as a just in case mine were ever compromised
[07:26] <laga> true
[07:26] <laga> what key were you going to give to me?
[07:26] <superm1_> pegasus's
[07:27] <superm1_> Daviey, you and i were going to have a copy of it
[07:27] <superm1_> that way we can all sign stuff to upload to the ppa with it, or to sign the repo with it
[07:29] <Deffcon1> ok i'll right down the erros but what about the trunk_script?
[07:29] <superm1_> laga, hmum, well can you think of a better way to organize all of this?
[07:30] <superm1_> probably the best way to send the builds to ppa is indeed from mythbuntu.org
[07:30] <superm1_> and then have *.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org just mirroring the ppa as often as it can
[07:33] <superm1_> laga, wait is this the same error you were getting with the VNC problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37027/
[07:36] <superm1_> laga, and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/35392
[07:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35392 in bzr ""unsupported locale setting" error" [Medium,Fix released] 
[07:39] <foxbuntu> superm1_, ping
[07:39] <superm1_> no
[07:39] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:39] <foxbuntu> I have Xfce working now
[07:39] <foxbuntu> it looks like it sets a default font when none is defined
[07:40] <superm1_> font size you mean?'
[07:40] <foxbuntu> yes
[07:40] <superm1_> is it big enough?
[07:40] <superm1_> and your sure that it isn't pulling this from ~/.gtkrc*
[07:41] <Deffcon1> laga remote is still jumping with repeat=5
[07:41] <Deffcon1> but now 4 items
[07:42] <foxbuntu> yup sure.my gtkrc is clean
[07:43] <superm1_> foxbuntu, okay well thats good then
[07:43] <superm1_> while your in there, was there an xfce splash?
[07:44] <Deffcon1> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend in svn trunk keeps appearing in synaptic
[07:44] <foxbuntu> splash where?
[07:45] <foxbuntu> after logon?
[07:45] <superm1_> yea foxbuntu
[07:45] <foxbuntu> no
[07:45] <superm1_> Deffcon, someone else was encountering that too
[07:45] <superm1_> foxbuntu, did you install xubuntu-desktop?
[07:45] <superm1_> or what exactly?
[07:45] <superm1_> just xfce?
[07:45] <foxbuntu> xfce4
[07:45] <superm1_> okay probably xubuntu-desktop does it then
[07:45] <superm1_> i was going to say we're probably going to need to do one if there is one for xfce
[07:45] <foxbuntu> oh
[07:46] <foxbuntu> the panel logo will need to be done
[07:46] <foxbuntu> which I will need to figure out
[07:47] <superm1_> well i think that's a small png that needs to be made
[07:47] <foxbuntu> prob
[07:47] <superm1_> DaveMorris might be handling that
[07:47] <foxbuntu> oh
[07:47] <foxbuntu> I am ok with that
[07:47] <foxbuntu> :)
[07:48] <Deffcon1> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend in svn trunk keeps appearing in synaptic
[07:49] <superm1_> laga, i fear i might have discovered the cause of the vnc problem
[07:49] <superm1_> might need to have language-pack-* installed
[07:50] <superm1_> and each one appears to take up another 15 megs or so
[07:50] <Deffcon1> maybe i can confirm this problem
[07:50] <Deffcon1> because i choosed for dutch language
[07:50] <Deffcon1> in boot loader
[07:50] <Deffcon1> and in installer
[07:50] <superm1_> Deffcon, can you see what language-pack-* packages you have installed then now?
[07:51] <superm1_> sure enough installing language-pack-en* fixed the bzr problem on mythbuntu.org
[07:56] <Deffcon1> superm1 i reconstructed the installer with no language installed other then english i get the same vnc4server error
[07:58] <superm1_> a 404, or a language pack error?
[07:58] <Deffcon1> laga the svn trunk version is recompiled againt version 0.21.20070820-1 libmyth is at version 0.21.20070905-1
[07:58] <Deffcon1> a 404 error
[07:59] <Deffcon1> compiled instead of recompiled sorry
[07:59] <superm1_> oh okay if its the 404 don't worry, thats the cdrepository error
[07:59] <Deffcon1> ok
[07:59] <superm1_> makes it harder to track down this language pack error
[08:00] <superm1_> can you see what language packs you have installed though ?
[08:00] <Deffcon1> but i can test it to choose dutch as language in the installer to make sure !
[08:02] <Deffcon1> i'm running 2 diffrent vbox mythbuntu alpha 4 one with dutch language one without to make sure
[08:03] <Deffcon1> no language packs at al that is the strangest thing superm1
[08:03] <superm1_> wow
[08:04] <superm1_> i wonder how this actually "works" then during install :)
[08:05] <Deffcon1> how do you mean
[08:06] <foxbuntu> superm1_,  xfce has no default splash but it does install, xbuntu-desktop sets a default splash
[08:06] <superm1_> well a bunch of the elements are indeed still translated right?
[08:06] <Deffcon1> i think so yes
[08:06] <Deffcon1> superm1 can you help out for one moment
[08:06] <superm1_> Deffcon, sure what?
[08:07] <Deffcon1> the svn trunk repo i got from laga this afternoon i added it to my sources.list and did an upgrade
[08:07] <superm1_> foxbuntu, hm so i wonder where that comes from then?
[08:07] <superm1_> foxbuntu, do you know what package it has for it?
[08:07] <Deffcon1> but the mythplugins are compiled against another version then i run now
[08:08] <superm1_> Deffcon1, that probably means that laga needs to resubmit plugins to build one more time
[08:08] <foxbuntu> superm1_, atm no
[08:08] <superm1_> since it built them against an older build on the PPA
[08:08] <Deffcon1> hmmm lost here so i can't test it right now then?
[08:10] <superm1_> Deffcon1, well i think that he needs to requeue that build if your going to be able to test it
[08:12] <Deffcon1> laga please!!!!
[08:13] <laga> Deffcon1:
[08:13] <laga> !!!!!
[08:13] <laga> !!!!!
[08:13] <laga> !!!!
[08:13] <laga> how may i help you today?
[08:13] <laga> you know, we need to eat, too.
[08:14] <Deffcon1> sorry man
[08:14] <superm1_> laga, like sleep eating is quite overrated
[08:14] <Deffcon1>  but see my text
[08:14] <Deffcon1> about the svn trunk
[08:14] <laga> superm1_: oddly enough, i dput mythplugins before mythtv and it build mythtv first. i thought it was handling the dependency properly :/
[08:14] <laga> Deffcon1: right.
[08:15] <Deffcon1> so what do i have to do
[08:15] <Deffcon1> dput?
[08:15] <superm1_> laga, you have to depend on strict build depends versions if there are library changes like that
[08:15] <Deffcon1> do you need the error
[08:15] <Deffcon1> ?
[08:15] <laga> Deffcon1: dput is used to put source packages on the ppa so it builds them
[08:15] <Deffcon1> oh ok nothing for me?
[08:15] <laga> Deffcon1: nope
[08:16] <Deffcon1> ok sorry guys but in some cases i have to learn i lot
[08:16] <laga> Deffcon1: not all messages in here are directed towards you ;) that's why i put "superm1_:" in front of it
[08:16] <Deffcon1> laga : svn trunk is now build at libmyth version 0.21.20070820-1
[08:17] <laga> superm1_: didn't realize there was a library change. there's another one right after the revision i built today. ;)
[08:17] <Deffcon1> laga : and has to be 0.21.20070905-1
[08:17] <laga> Deffcon1: ok, i need to rebuild mythplugins then.
[08:17] <Deffcon1> is that something i can do for you
[08:18] <laga> Deffcon1: sorry for the trouble, but i'm still new to this too so i#m amking mistakes
[08:18] <Deffcon1> me too
[08:18] <Deffcon1> superm1 : did you got my " maybe " bug in mythbuntu-control-centre
[08:19] <foxbuntu> superm1_, I have the Xfce splash theme figure out out I just gotta figure out how to set it as default
[08:19] <laga> Deffcon1: i need to rebuilt it for everyone, and you don't have write access to the PPA where the package is built
[08:19] <Deffcon1> about " launch nvidia-settings" isn't lauched with no error
[08:19] <superm1_> Deffcon1, which bug? I haven't looked at any reports today
[08:19] <Deffcon1> laga: oh ok man
[08:19] <superm1_> can you give me a bug number
[08:19] <Deffcon1> laga : does that take long?
[08:20] <laga> Deffcon1: it depends how busy the PPAs are. can take a few hours i guess.
[08:20] <laga> Deffcon1: but hey, who needs plugins anyways :)
[08:20] <Deffcon1> superm1: where does it give the bug number
[08:20] <laga> Deffcon1: thanks for testing, it's much appreciated
[08:20] <Deffcon1> laga : really np
[08:21] <superm1_> Deffcon1, at the top of your bug report page
[08:21] <Deffcon1> superm1 : oh sorry i report it right now have to get used to it
[08:21] <superm1_> well what's the issue?
[08:21] <superm1_> you said something about nvidia-settings ?
[08:23] <Deffcon1> superm1 #138722 just reported
[08:23] <superm1_> bug 138722
[08:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138722 in mythbuntu "mythbuntu-control-centre " launch nvidia-settings" not launched !" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138722
[08:24] <Deffcon1> yep
[08:24] <superm1_> Deffcon1, can you try launching it from a terminal?
[08:25] <Deffcon1> yes i can see it launches but it is with ssh -Y -X so i can't get the settings but the gui is running from my backend
[08:25] <Deffcon1> so in other words it is starting
[08:25] <superm1_> wait
[08:25] <superm1_> your doing this all via ssh?
[08:25] <superm1_> as in mythbuntu-control-centre is started via ssh
[08:26] <Deffcon1> nono i mean only with my laptop ssh as root to my backend to test somethings
[08:26] <superm1_> well nvidia-settings can only be launched locally i thought
[08:26] <Deffcon1> wait
[08:29] <Deffcon1> yes luanched a terminal from within mythbuntu-control-centre then started nvidia-settings from terminal and that works
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #138722 in mythbuntu "mythbuntu-control-centre " launch nvidia-settings" not launched !" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138722
[08:31] <Deffcon1> ?
[08:31] <superm1_> Deffcon1, okay that's a bit odd then if it works perfectly out of the terminal
[08:31] <superm1_> i'll have a look later tonight when i've got the source in front of me
[08:31] <superm1_> thanks for filing the bug
[08:32] <Deffcon1> yes but if push the button in mythbuntu-controle-centre " launch nvidia-settings" it doesn't work
[08:32] <superm1_> i've only been able to test the ati one, since my dev laptop only has an ati card, but i can boot this onto my frontend in the living room and probably catch this problem
[08:33] <Deffcon1> ok then
[08:33] <Deffcon1> i have many hardware here so i can test a lot
[08:33] <superm1_> Deffcon1, indeed once we've got something with some fixes to ubiquity with languages and cd repository that will be most appreciated
[08:34] <Deffcon1> so do you want me to test with dutch language
[08:35] <superm1_> well at this point, i'd say hold off : the language pack situation is kinda bad right now
[08:35] <sebrock> how would I make an update to 0.20.2 (backend only) from a terminal window?
[08:35] <sebrock> I'm having it on Ubuntu server edition
[08:36] <laga> sebrock: enable the feisty-proposed repo
[08:36] <laga> in sources.list
[08:36] <laga> sebrock: why is mythtv 0.20.2 still in proposed?
[08:37] <Deffcon1> oh ok but the first line in sources.list on the livecd with the brackets "deb cdrom: [ Myt*****
[08:37] <Deffcon1> isn't that a problem
[08:37] <laga> err, i meant to ask superm1_: why is mythtv 0.20.2 still in proposed?
[08:37] <sebrock> laga ??
[08:37] <Deffcon1> when you do an sudo apt-get update  from the live cd it ignores the cdrom
[08:37] <sebrock> oh
[08:37] <sebrock> what exactly do I need to put in there?
[08:37] <Deffcon1> superm1 : when you do an sudo apt-get update  from the live cd it ignores the cdrom
[08:38] <laga> sebrock: http://tinyurl.com/39hgnz <- have you seen this?
[08:38] <superm1_> Deffcon1, i'm not sure exactly how apt-cdrom is supposed to work
[08:38] <superm1_> so that may be the problem that we have with it
[08:38] <superm1_> but i dont know for sure
[08:39] <superm1_> laga, because a new upload was done on sep 5
[08:39] <Deffcon1> who put the line in there anyway
[08:39] <superm1_> and we need 7 days after its in proposed with at least 2 +1's on the SRU bug
[08:39] <sebrock> laga, yes. But Im using terminal only, anyway I got it I think
[08:39] <superm1_> laga, actually and i think i need to redo the mythplugins upload too after seeing a bug report about faad for it
[08:39] <superm1_> so this process will probably be delayed even longer
[08:39] <laga> sad
[08:40] <superm1_> but i havent gotten a chance to figure out the faad issue
[08:40] <superm1_> or replicate it
[08:40] <laga> i hope i can upload this quickly. i was supposed to be at the gf's 40 minutes ago
[08:40] <superm1_> haha
[08:41] <laga> not that it matters. she wants to play on the PS2 with me. it's not like i'm already spending too much time in front of a monitor
[08:41] <sebrock> laga, hm... when I check my list it does not say if it 0.20.2 or not
[08:42] <laga> what list?
[08:42] <sebrock> should I remove the standard sources?
[08:42] <sebrock> list of sources
[08:42] <superm1_> sebrock, just add the proposed one, and then sudo apt-get update
[08:42] <sebrock> yeah I did
[08:43] <sebrock> however, I cant see if it is the new one or still the old
[08:43] <superm1_> then sudo apt-get upgrade and you should be popped up
[08:43] <sebrock> will it automaticly check which one is the new?
[08:43] <Deffcon1> faad 0.1 is old version of faad 2.0 its from feisty on faad 2.0 and 0.1 is i think from version dapper to edgy
[08:43] <superm1_> 0.20.2 is newer so it will upgrade you
[08:43] <sebrock> ok
[08:44] <superm1_> Deffcon1, do you by chance have a feisty or edgy install around that you can identify whether that faad bug is actually happening?
[08:44] <superm1_> that'd save a bit of trouble
[08:44] <Deffcon1> superm1 guys the svn i installed this afternoon from ppa is 0.21
[08:44] <superm1_> oh that's right
[08:44] <superm1_> nvm then :)
[08:45] <Deffcon1> yes in vbox
[08:45] <superm1_> oh you do, wonderful.  Could you try to pop on the proposed version then
[08:46] <superm1_> and see if you get the same results as bug 135199
[08:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135199 in mythplugins "dependency conflict (mythmusic and mythtv) 0.20.2" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135199
[08:46] <Deffcon1> yes i can test it but it would be tommorow i guess
[08:47] <Deffcon1> been i long day today
[08:47] <superm1_> well subscribe to that bug at least
[08:47] <superm1_> if no one else reports anything more by tomorrow
[08:47] <Deffcon1> yes i definetly will
[08:47] <superm1_> it'd be greatly appreciated if you can try it
[08:47] <superm1_> and leave a comment there
[08:47] <Deffcon1> do you have half an hour
[08:48] <superm1_> well i'm working on other things on and off right now
[08:48] <superm1_> so in and out
[08:53] <Deffcon1> superm1?
[08:54] <Deffcon1> I can confirm about the 404 erorr --> vnc4server
[08:54] <superm1_> yea thats the cdrom repository issue
[08:54] <superm1_> same thing as the proprietary drivers issue
[08:55] <Deffcon1> superm1 : that when i leave the 404 error open and i go to an terminal session i do aptget install vnc4server --> same issue --> but when i do apt-get update --> then i can install vnc4server
[08:55] <sebrock> anyone using Ubuntu on a mac mini?
[08:57] <superm1_> Deffcon1, right, let me try to explain what happened with that problem
[08:57] <superm1_> okay so when the live cd is built, it includes a cached version of a bunch of installable packages
[08:57] <superm1_> including vnc4server and nvidia drivers etc
[08:58] <superm1_> now if a newer version is released, it superseeds the version that was available
[08:58] <superm1_> and the public mirrors drop its availability
[08:58] <Deffcon1> oh ok i see sorry i just thought let you know
[08:58] <superm1_> so it appears that the stuff cached on the live disk isn't being made available
[08:58] <superm1_> have no idea why, it can easily be a bug with a lot of different things
[08:59] <laga> hum
[08:59] <laga> superm1_: apt-get picks it up, though
[08:59] <superm1_> *after* apt-get updating
[08:59] <superm1_> updating the package lists and such
[08:59] <laga> ah
[08:59] <superm1_> i'm wondering if the way the on cd repository is being built is the true cause for problem here
[08:59] <laga> the .debs are on the CD you mean?
[08:59] <laga> now i get it
[09:00] <superm1_> yes
[09:00] <superm1_> and by keeping them on the cd the idea was supposed to be you can do an install w/o a network card
[09:00] <Deffcon1> i can confirm that ubuntu feisty has faad-2.0
[09:00] <superm1_> and it wouldnt matter if they dissappeared from a mirror
[09:00] <Deffcon1> testing edgy now
[09:00] <superm1_> Deffcon1, the issue only affects feisty i think
[09:01] <Deffcon1> i think not
[09:01] <Deffcon1> because i think the version on edgy is faad-1.0 and that is the version mythmusic needs right now
[09:02] <Deffcon1> the dependency problem with mythmusic i mean
[09:03] <laga> gotta run
[09:03] <laga> new trunk build is on the PPA and will be ready in a few hours i hope
[09:04] <superm1_> cool
[09:05] <Deffcon1> so i can install it tommorow cool man
[09:05] <superm1_> Deffcon1, okay so can you leave some comments in the bug then
[09:05] <superm1_> thanks
[09:06] <Deffcon1> bug number ?
[09:07] <superm1_> bug 135199
[09:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135199 in mythplugins "dependency conflict (mythmusic and mythtv) 0.20.2" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135199
[09:11] <Deffcon1> i confirmed the same as in the bug reporter " fisslefink
[09:13] <Deffcon1> superm1 i confirmed the same as in the bug reporter " fisslefink
[09:16] <superm1_> okay cool thanks
[09:16] <superm1_> i'll have to try and get that resolved later on
[09:25] <Deffcon1> wait i checked edgy but is also faad-2.0
[09:25] <superm1_> so same problem on edgy?
[09:26] <Deffcon1> yes sorry
[09:27] <Deffcon1> did some did an update just now of vnc4server in ppa
[09:28] <Deffcon1> ?
[09:31] <superm1_> I didn't
[09:34] <Deffcon1> http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/pool/universe/v/vnc4/vnc4-common_4.1.1+xorg1.0.2-0ubuntu6_i386.deb 404 Not Found
[09:34] <Deffcon1>  http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/pool/universe/v/vnc4/vnc4server_4.1.1+xorg1.0.2-0ubuntu6_i386.deb 404 Not Found http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/pool/universe/v/vnc4/vnc4server_4.1.1+xorg1.0.2-0ubuntu6_i386.deb 404 Not Found
[09:34] <Deffcon1> oh sorry one to much
[09:35] <Deffcon1> superm1 : you have a busy hobby don't you?
[09:35] <Deffcon1> i will talk to you tommorow alright
[09:35] <Deffcon1> ?
[09:36] <superm1_> okay cya Deffcon1  :)
[09:36] <Deffcon1> thnx for everything!
[09:36] <superm1_> yea balancing my time between school, work, this, and a social life is quite a challenge :)
[09:36] <Deffcon1> haha i know the feeling
[09:37] <Deffcon1> greetings from Holland and goodnight
[09:37] <superm1_> keescook, do you know any good way to match a network device to the module loaded for it?
[09:37] <superm1_> night Deffcon1
[09:37] <Deffcon1> quit
[09:37] <superm1_> i've been messing around looking in /sys and can't seem to find anything that will match it
[09:44] <keescook> superm1_: not off the top of my head -- what're you trying to do?
[09:44] <keescook> I usually look in the /sys tree for those things
[09:44] <superm1_> keescook, its for this script i'm trying to build, and i've been greping around /sys without much luck
[09:44] <keescook> hm
[09:45] <superm1_> i've been trying to find a good way to match say eth0 to e1000, and dmesg isn't reliable
[09:45] <keescook> let me go digging
[09:45] <keescook> especially since udev can/does rename interfaces...
[09:45] <superm1_> the closest i've found is /sys/module/<module>
[09:45] <superm1_> but i cant seem to find a reference there
[09:47] <keescook> superm1_: /sys/class/net/$IFACE/device/driver
[09:47] <superm1_> right but it doesn't actually print the module name there?
[09:47] <superm1_> oh but look at the module symlink
[09:48] <keescook> yeah, readlink
[09:48] <superm1_> it actually has the name in the symlink
[09:48] <superm1_> sweet, thanks a bunch!
[09:48] <keescook> basename $(readlink /sys/class/net/$IFACE/device/driver)
[10:09] <bendailey|work> superm1_: When will the next cd iso be released?
[10:10] <superm1_> bendailey|work, as soon as davemorris gets xfce in and laga and i get the bugs resolved for ubiquity
[10:10] <superm1_> with the cd repository and vnc
[10:10] <superm1_> so ideally in 1-2 weeks
[10:10] <foxbuntu> superm1_, I can get the Xfce splash thing for you
[10:11] <bendailey|work> ok well I am not sure whether my mirror is going to be of much use I am at over 86GB of my 100GB/month already :( & :)
[10:11] <superm1_> foxbuntu, well we'll need to have a NEW package that results from it.  i wonder if the NEW freeze only is for source packages
[10:11] <superm1_> oh wow
[10:11] <superm1_> bendailey|work, that's a shame
[10:12] <foxbuntu> superm1_, gotcha
[10:12] <bendailey|work> yeah I am sad that we have maxed the bandwidth but glad we are getting lots of downloads
[10:12] <bendailey|work> superm1_: have you talked with anyone from OpenMedia about there MyPVR product?
[10:12] <superm1_> we really need to get someone with a ton of bandwidth to try to help wrg to the mirroring
[10:12] <superm1_> yea i've met steve
[10:13] <superm1_> he was at ULive
[10:13] <superm1_> and has been hanging out in here a bit
[10:13] <superm1_> and also works at IBM, so i see him on IBM's IM client every so often
[10:13] <bendailey|work> ok He Mentioned that project in his Linux Journal interview in the October issue
[10:14] <bendailey|work> s/that/this/
[10:14] <superm1_> ah neat
[10:14] <superm1_> yea he is likely going to adopt us for a base
[10:14] <superm1_> rather than knoppmyth (which he has been using)
[10:14] <superm1_> can you make a pdf of the article so the rest of us can see?
[10:14] <bendailey|work> yep that is what the article stated
[10:15] <bendailey|work> Yeah I will have to dig up my registration for the site when I get home
[10:15] <superm1_> cool
[10:15] <bendailey|work> Should I attached and send to the list?
[10:15] <superm1_> yea i think that's a good idea
[10:16] <bendailey|work> OK I will try and get that posted to the list tonight
[10:16] <superm1_> awesome
[10:16] <bendailey|work> any thoughts on an approach to our mirroring issue?
[10:16] <bendailey|work> has sourceforge been considered?
[10:17] <superm1_> DaveMorris thought that wasn't too good of an idea
[10:17] <superm1_> i dont recall why
[10:17] <superm1_> but i'm not sure what else would be a feasible solution.
[10:19] <bendailey|work> have you looked into how hard it would be to get a sourceforge project setup?
[10:19] <bendailey|work> Is that something I could help do?
[10:20] <Daviey> Wow... in 5 days I've transfered 143Gb from us-ca
[10:20] <superm1_> Daviey, hey
[10:20] <Daviey> hi superm1_
[10:20] <superm1_> do you remember what DaveMorris was saying yesterday
[10:20] <superm1_> about using SF?
[10:20] <Daviey> It was me suggesting that
[10:20] <bendailey|work> Daviey: I have done >86GB
[10:21] <Daviey> bendailey|work: woooh
[10:21] <Daviey> superm1_: DaveMorris said that he didn't like the idea... It was me that was going to pursue it
[10:22] <bendailey|work> Daviey: Do you remember DaveMorris reason?
[10:22] <Daviey> bendailey|work: IIRC it was that SF has an unreliable repuation for poor quality software
[10:23] <Daviey> but this channel is logged, if you want the full discussion
[10:23] <Daviey> !logs
[10:23] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:25] <bendailey|work> ubotu: ubuntu-mythtv after 8-17 is empty :(
[10:25] <Daviey> arg..
[10:25] <Daviey> I can pastebin my logs if you want
[10:25] <superm1_> no not really, but that's not cool ubuntulog
[10:25] <bendailey|work> well current as today hmm...
[10:29] <Daviey> superm1_: I might need to drop uk.cdimages temp' when me announce the repo's
[10:29] <Daviey> ... dog walkies - brb
[10:31] <bendailey|work> superm1_: what about requesting mirroring from someone like distro.ibiblio.org?
[10:31] <superm1_> bendailey|work, do they just do it for any open source projects?
[10:31] <superm1_> or how does there setup work?
[10:32] <superm1_> bendailey|work, Daviey take a look at the mail i just fired to the ML along with a canonical contact, hopefully we'll get some more luck there
[10:35] <bendailey|work> superm1_: great I think that is the best approach if that doesn't pan out then we should look at alternatives
[10:36] <superm1_> indeed.  i've been in contact with matthew for a little bit, and he was going to arrange things until the fiasco showed up
[10:36] <bendailey|work> what was the fiasco?
[10:36] <Daviey> superm1_: I sent another email to elmo @ canonical
[10:37] <Daviey> Before the next ISO, we need canonical or another huge mirror
[10:37] <superm1_> bendailey|work, the loco team servers were compromised
[10:38] <superm1_> and had to all be redone
[10:38] <bendailey|work> ok I see
[10:38] <superm1_> so they have much different security measures in place
[10:39] <Daviey> ie, not allow unsecure FTP
[10:39] <superm1_> well i dont know how they were compomised exactly
[10:39] <Daviey> That was the rumour i heard
[10:40] <bendailey|work> yikes
[10:40] <Daviey> *just* a rumour tho
[10:40] <Daviey> Bad PR, even so
[10:41] <Daviey> ie http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=583
[11:14] <Daviey> superm1_: I think you should add to Karl, that even if they don't give us SSH/SFTP etc access atm - just wgetting from us, then mirroring would be a lifesaver
[11:15] <superm1_> well once he responds good idea
[11:15] <foxbuntu> superm1_, check your PM
[11:16] <Daviey> foxbuntu: You are not sending superm1_ those steamy PM's again, are you?
[11:16] <foxbuntu> Daviey, quite...you don't need to tell everyone about those things
[11:16] <superm1_> Daviey, can you mirror the weeklybuilds ?
[11:16] <superm1_> so we can announce
[11:17] <Daviey> superm1_: weekly builds, yes - but i'll have to drop cdimages for the moment
[11:17] <superm1_> ohok
[11:17] <superm1_> amazing we went through this much bw this quick :)
[11:17] <Daviey> I know... i do have a fair chunk left - but it does need to hold out the rest of the month
[11:18] <foxbuntu> superm1_, how much bw have we used?
[11:18] <superm1_> 1500 iso downloads or so since i think 5 days ago?
[11:18] <Daviey> foxbuntu: My us-ca has chucked out ~137Gb in 5 days
[11:18] <foxbuntu> holy f*
[11:18] <superm1_> 625500 mb or so?
[11:19] <Daviey> not bad for a $12 per year account eh?
[11:19] <foxbuntu> no kidding
[11:19] <Daviey> ( ^ domain)
[11:19] <Daviey> inc ^
[11:19] <foxbuntu> an hosting provides 2.5TB a month...but I didn't want to do that unless things with this ISP don't pan out
[11:19] <foxbuntu> and thats 7/mon
[11:20] <Daviey> wow
[11:20] <foxbuntu> yea
[11:20] <foxbuntu> and 250GB of storange
[11:20] <foxbuntu> storage
[11:20] <foxbuntu> free domain
[11:20] <foxbuntu> its wicked cheap
[11:20] <Daviey> I'm paying 16 (~$32) per month for 40Gb!
[11:21] <Daviey> luckily this month they were willing to raise it to 150Gb - if i cappped the iso speed to 2Mb/s
[11:21] <foxbuntu> but they make you pay a year at a time
[11:21] <foxbuntu> which still is not bad but I am just waiting on this local ISP to give me a final answer
[11:22] <Daviey> "Dear $ISP, please let me hammer the heck out of your servers.   Kind Regards, foxbuntu"
[11:22] <foxbuntu> yea
[11:23] <foxbuntu> I have made a them a lot of $$ over the last several years so I am calling in a favor since I know the guys that run the place pretty well
[11:23] <Daviey> Maybe we should add a tag to the next announcement asking for mirrors
[11:23] <foxbuntu> might be a good idea
[11:23] <Daviey> (ie we can't release the next version, unless people can help)
[11:23] <Daviey> It's pretty much true
[11:25] <Daviey> superm1_: did you say there was an error with the apt-mirror script?
[11:25] <superm1_> Daviey, it should be good now
[11:25] <Daviey> What was up?
[11:25] <superm1_> just need to pull it to the latest revision
[11:25] <superm1_> you had a typo referring to home
[11:25] <superm1_> didn't include lagas stuff
[11:25] <superm1_> and a few other smaller things
[11:26] <Daviey> Hmm.. when i cba - i'll have to look at the changes
[11:30] <Daviey> superm1_: did you find out what was wrong with the clean.sh?
[11:30] <superm1_> it breaks $things :)
[11:30] <superm1_> who knows why
[11:32] <Daviey> superm1_: should be done
[11:33] <Daviey> 91Mb ?
[11:33] <superm1_> No
[11:33] <superm1_> 694 or so
[11:33] <Daviey> arg
[11:35] <superm1_> [mlimonciello@devel apt-mirror] $ du -sh
[11:35] <superm1_> 654M
[11:36] <Daviey> Ah.. location is different
[11:36] <Daviey> to where i was expecting it
[11:36] <Daviey> ~/apt-mirror = 475M
[11:37] <Daviey> I did have a problem with libc6 on this box... that was stopping the ISO build process
[11:40] <Daviey> Would it be faster, just for me to apt-mirror you?
[11:46] <superm1_> i dont think so
[11:47] <superm1_> but it might be
[11:49] <superm1_> okay i've gotta run for a bit
[11:49] <superm1_> i'll be back in 30-40
[11:49] <superm1_> message me if things are up right for you
[11:49] <superm1_> that 654 might include removed packages for me
[11:50] <superm1_> so it might really be less
[11:50] <rsingh> hi
[11:50] <rsingh> anyone here that can help me with mythtv?
[12:00] <tgm4883> yep
[12:01] <rsingh> is anyone here that can help with a mythtv database question?
[12:01] <tgm4883> only if you ask the question ;)
[12:01] <rsingh> :-D
[12:01] <rsingh> ok i just moved mysql database from my master server to another server
[12:01] <rsingh> i copied over the database and everythign
[12:02] <rsingh> on the master maching i also updated the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt file with the new host name
[12:02] <rsingh> yet when i try to restart the backend it fails
[12:02] <tgm4883> error messages?
[12:02] <rsingh> and the logs say its still trying to connecto the the localhost
[12:03] <tgm4883> also, you should have used...i think it's dpkg --reconfigure mythtv-database
[12:03] <tgm4883> you may also need to rerun mythtv-setu
[12:03] <tgm4883> p
[12:03] <rsingh> OO
[12:03] <rsingh> ok let me try the reconfigure
[12:16] <rsingh> ok i tried that
[12:16] <rsingh> the problem i am havnig is creating a root user which can log in from a remote machine
[12:17] <rsingh> Failed to execute SQL: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY '***'\nAccess denied for user 'root'@'%' to database 'mythconverg' at -e line 8, <> line 1.
[12:19] <tgm4883> ok, so lets just get a few things down.  you have a seperate backend and frontend.  Is the sql server on the backend or a different machine?
[12:20] <tgm4883> And these are all running Ubuntu or Mythbuntu?
[12:20] <rsingh> kubuntu
[12:20] <tgm4883> ok, close enough
[12:20] <rsingh> different machine
[12:20] <rsingh> i have 2 machines
[12:21] <tgm4883> ok, is the backend and frontend on the same machine?
[12:21] <rsingh> playa: master-backend, frontend
[12:21] <rsingh> surma: backend, frontend, mysql
[12:21] <tgm4883> ok
[12:21] <rsingh> right now we can assume
[12:21] <rsingh> playa: master-backend, frontend
[12:21] <tgm4883> im curious as to why you moved the sql away from the master backend?
[12:21] <rsingh> surma: mysql
[12:22] <rsingh> i am trying to move the load away from playa
[12:22] <rsingh> because this is the machine i use the most
[12:22] <rsingh> but this is the only machine that can have a tv tuner and has a cable connection
[12:23] <tgm4883> same root password for mysql?
[12:23] <rsingh> yes
[12:23] <rsingh> i actually logged in from playa to surma using the mysql exec
[12:23] <rsingh> and i tried to execute the same command manually
[12:23] <rsingh> i logged in fine
[12:23] <rsingh> it is just some permission problem with mysql
[12:24] <rsingh> ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'root'@'playa' to database 'mythconverg'
[12:24] <tgm4883> hmm
[12:24] <tgm4883> ahh
[12:24] <tgm4883> in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[12:24] <tgm4883> what is bind-address set to?
[12:24] <tgm4883> and is it commented out?
[12:25] <rsingh> bind-address            = 192.168.2.11
[12:25] <rsingh> thats the ip for surma
[12:25] <rsingh> on surma
[12:25] <rsingh> i mean thats the my.cnf on surma
[12:25] <rsingh> i can log in fine from playa to surma
[12:25] <MythbuntuGuest71> hey everyone,..
[12:25] <tgm4883> ok, then you shouldn't be able to access the mysql database from playa
[12:26] <tgm4883> wait
[12:26] <tgm4883> surma is 192.168.2.11
[12:26] <tgm4883> what is playa
[12:26] <rsingh> yes
[12:26] <rsingh> 10
[12:26] <MythbuntuGuest71> does anyone have exp. with configuring a dvb-s card?
[12:26] <rsingh> 192.168.2.10
[12:26] <tgm4883> Guest71, a few of us (not me though), ask your question
[12:27] <MythbuntuGuest71> i would like to know how to set it up,.. i haven't been able to get channels on it :s
[12:27] <MythbuntuGuest71> the card is recognised tough
[12:27] <tgm4883> rsingh, is bind-address commented out in /etc/mysql/my.cnf on surma
[12:27] <rsingh> no its not commented out
[12:28] <rsingh> tcp        0      0 192.168.2.11:3306       0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     18045/mysqld
[12:28] <tgm4883> ok, then you either need to comment it out, or add the ip address for playa
[12:28] <rsingh> ok let me see what google has to say about the error
[12:28] <rsingh> ill get back to you if dont find anything
[12:28] <rsingh> I dont find anything*
[12:29] <denbeiren> I have put some avi files on it, but they won't play,.. is there something you have to download to play avi?
[12:29] <tgm4883> denbeiren, well .avi is just a container, so whatever they are encoded in you will need the decoder
[12:30] <denbeiren> any "total package" with many of the most used decoders in?
[12:31] <tgm4883> denbeiren, well not sure about linux, but codec packs are generally a bad idea and can hose you system (in windows at least)
[12:32] <tgm4883> although I think that there are a few that you could get that would fix your problem
[12:32] <tgm4883> you probably need support for divx, xvid, and wmv right?
[12:32] <denbeiren> or could you tell me what codecs are common? i don't mind installing them separately
[12:32] <tgm4883> probably those three and maybe h.264? (or is it x.264)
[12:33] <denbeiren> yes those would be fine,..
[12:33] <tgm4883> feisty?
[12:33] <tgm4883> or gutsy?
[12:33] <denbeiren> the latest mythbuntu,.. so that would be gutsy
[12:34] <tgm4883> ah
[12:34] <tgm4883> well in that case
[12:34] <tgm4883> dvd support?
[12:34] <denbeiren> i haven't gotten round to testing dvd yet
[12:35] <tgm4883> ok, i genrally refer to this guide on new setups.  I linked to the pertinante info for you http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Feisty#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs
[12:36] <tgm4883> it's for feisty, but probably works for gutsy also
[12:36] <Daviey> *cough* google medibuntu
[12:36] <tgm4883> Daviey!!!
[12:37] <Daviey> 23:37
[12:37] <MythbuntuGuest22> back
[12:37] <tgm4883> ah
[12:37] <denbeiren> could you give me the link again plze
[12:37] <tgm4883> Daviey, do you have any input on dvb-s?
[12:37] <Daviey> nope
[12:37] <Daviey> never used it
[12:37] <tgm4883> ok
[12:37] <tgm4883> me neither
[12:37] <Daviey> dvb-t only
[12:37] <Daviey> sorry
[12:38] <tgm4883> ahhh
[12:38] <tgm4883> so close
[12:38] <tgm4883> off by one letter
[12:38] <denbeiren> hehe
[12:38] <tgm4883> whats the difference?
[12:38] <tgm4883> denbeiren, you can either google medibuntu, or http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Feisty#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs
[12:38] <denbeiren> T is terrestrial
[12:38] <tgm4883> ah
[12:38] <tgm4883> S is satellite?
[12:39] <denbeiren> yep
[12:39] <tgm4883> so if you have a spare dvb-t card, is that extra terrestrial?
[12:39] <denbeiren> lol
[12:40] <denbeiren> will that link work for gutsy as well?
[12:40] <tgm4883> maybe
[12:40] <tgm4883> you will probably have to enable the medibuntu repo
[12:40] <tgm4883> so either way its kinda the same
[12:46] <tgm4883> it's hot
[12:49] <rsingh> hey tgm i figure out the problem
[12:50] <rsingh> the information about the database lives in a million locations lol
[12:50] <rsingh> here are all the places where i had to change it
[12:51] <rsingh> locations: /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt, /home/myusername/.mythtv/mysql.txt, /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt
[12:51] <rsingh> the one i missed was this one:  /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[12:53] <rsingh> thanks for your help
[12:56] <denbeiren> where can i find the "volumeknob" ? my music is playing very "hush hush"
[12:59] <tgm4883> have you tried [] 
[01:01] <superm1> Daviey, still nothing on uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org
[01:01] <superm1> for laga's stuff?
[01:02] <Daviey> hmm
[01:02] <Daviey> What;s caused that then..
[01:02] <Daviey> i rm'vd the bzr branch - the regot
[01:02] <Daviey> so it's defiently not that
[01:03] <superm1> well it should show up as a sep directory?
[01:03] <superm1> are you just missing a symlink maybe
[01:03] <superm1> to mythbuntu-trunk?
[01:04] <Daviey> from where to where?
[01:04] <Daviey> ah.. i don't have the branch for trunk
[01:05] <superm1> well its in the weekly build mirroring script
[01:05] <superm1> it grabs trunk too
[01:07] <denbeiren> hmmm,.. i've added the medibuntu repo,.. but which packages do i need?
[01:07] <Daviey> superm1: ygm
[01:07] <superm1> Daviey, looks right
[01:07] <denbeiren> volume works,..
[01:07] <superm1> however go look at the url
[01:08] <superm1> http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/
[01:08] <superm1> don't see mythbuntu-trunk there
[01:08] <Daviey> oh no.. that;s the wrong symlink
[01:08] <Daviey> lemme fix
[01:09] <Daviey>  mythbuntu -> /home/mythbuntu/apt-mirror/mirror/ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/  <- was